August 24, 2024 • 26 mins
Where Colin was right and where he was wrong
Colin gives his NFL predictions
He also talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films to breakdown what we've seen from Bo Nix, Michael Penix and Daniel Jones
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, we call it Colin right, Colin wrong on
a Monday, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Caitlin Clark breaks the w NBA Rookie record. Also, Angel
Reese is on fire setting records. They both should have
been on the Olympic team. I kept saying, Caitlin just
had to overcome the silly early WNBA schedule. She is
a rising star. Her an Angel Reese on the w
NBA All Star team beat the Olympians. She's I'm telling you,
she is a playmaker. She her passing is so incredibly undervalued.
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She is really the rare big score that's unselfish. She's
got the lebron quality like she loves to pass. And
she's already broken, already broken the WNBA rookie record. And
by the way, Indiana now seventh in the WNBA standings.
Here come the fever. Where Colin was raw. I'd like
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to apologize for supporting Daniel Jones last week. I will
never do it again. It's like Justin Fields, he just
makes too many mistakes. Has he just got a forty
five passer rating, no touchdowns in the preseason. He just
makes to This is a bad throw. You got to
go along on that. You can't let Stingley pick that
ball off. That's a rookie mistake. You've been in this
league too long. And I mean, he's a nice kid.
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I feel bad for him, but you know it's it's
Zach Wilson, it's justin Fields, it's Daniel Jones. You can't
make these mistakes. You're facing backups in many of these instances,
vanilla schemes. You can't make these mistakes. Where Colin was right,
Bonnix looks like a perfect fit. Six scoring drives in
seven drives in the preseason, totally under control, accurate, good
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in the muddy pocket. I said before the draft, this
kid fips, and I'll say it again, do not be
shocked if he is not the best, at least in
year one. The best of the rookie quarterbacks. Denver's offensive
skill is undervalued tight end, receiver and running back. I
think they're better than average. He has been absolutely sensational.
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I said before the draft, this is the guy that'll
work with Sean Payton, and you're seeing it live.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Where Colin was raw, Drake.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
May I thought, look better than I thought he would
all year. In the last preseason game, he had his
footwork down through with confidence, was accurate. I still don't
love his accuracy, but I thought I thought from first
go around to second like it was noticeably more under
control through a beautiful deep ball. Wasn't cod but you
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know he does. When you watch these highlights, he looks
like the comp My NFL executive sources said. They said,
you're want to see some Justin Herbert, and I'm telling
you I saw in that game glimpses of Justin.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Herbert where Colin was right well.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I said Caleb Williams last week would be the most
exciting can't turn the TV off quarterback in the league
this year. Not saying the best, but the most exciting.
I'm watching this game against Cincinnati, you can't shut the
TV off. He's fascinating. He's got a little Lamar, got
a little Mahomes, little Josh Allen, spinning, moving, running, throwing
off bounce. Now the criticism is he can be too
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much of an ad libber. I'm not saying that's wrong,
but soaking Josh Allen and it's a lot of fun
to watch. This kid is magic and he will be
that one o'clock window on Fox watch the games because
he's going to be in that one o'clock window a lot.
He is sensational. Where Colin was right, Well, the Atlanta
Falcons got their edge russell edge rusher that they were
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so harshly criticized for during the draft, and the reason
they drafted Pennix is, you know what you can get
at the trading deadline. You know what you can't get
in a trade before a season starts, a young, talented
franchise quarterback. Nobody's given c J. Stroud away, and they're
not given Michael Pennix away. I did not criticize Atlanta.
I said, listen, if you can get a Michael Pennox
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at that point in the draft, you take him. You
figure out safety later, you figure out edge rusher later.
And they got Matthew Judon from the Patriots, a massive
upgrade for Atlanta. Been searching for an edge rusher for
several years.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
The United States men's national team. My bad landed big
swing and landed Mauricio Focatino. And this is a guy
that has coached Harry Kane, Messi, neymar This is a
real coach. No. I kept saying they're going to get rejected,
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They're going to get the hand from all the top guys.
But he has coached Chelsea. He it has been this
is being viewed as a huge swing, a huge get
and universally accepted. And I didn't trust the United States
Soccer Federation, the women, Yeah, the men didn't trust him.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Tip of the cap where Colin was right, well, well.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well what was brought pretty playing without starters this weekend
look like a backup for Carolina. Two for six for
eleven yards with no Christian McCaffrey, no trimp, no depot,
three drives, no scores. That's funny. And have Hall of
famers to carry him running for Oh boy, not a
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lot of zip. There isn't it funny? I've said before,
Put him in Carolina, put him with the Giants, owe line.
It's not that I don't like him, but this idea
that he is this wildly creative, strong armed, generational talent.
He basically got a Mercedes. Don't run it into a tree,
you know, don't hit the garage door when it's opening.
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When he played with backups.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
How do you look?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And StubHub announced ticket sales college football up forty two
percent year to year, and it's because of the conference
realignment games. That's what StubHub announced. I pushed back on
the idea that transfer portal, the NIL and conference realignment
was going to kill the sport. Folks I grew up
in the West Coast. I was over cal against Oregon State,
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Give me Oregon against Ohio State, USC against Michigan, Texas
against LSU or Florida. StubHub announcing conference realignment is not
only not puncturing college football, they're almost up fifty percent
year to year in sales. People want new, they want fresh,
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they want fund and that's what conference realignment is. And
the transfer portal, by the way, new star quarterbacks Riley
Leonard at Notre Dame, I want to see it. I'm
excited for where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong.
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Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so I'm gonna I get two more. This is
gonna be one. I get two more opportunities before the
season starts. I'm gonna do one on the Thursday before
the opening NFL game. I'm gonna do one. Now is
that I've watched the preseason, I'm reading, like you everything,
and I'm gonna give you a sense of where I
feel with my playoffs. So I've made a couple of changes,
couple of minor changes, but they're changes, and I'll give
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you the reason why. So let's start with the AFC.
I still feel it's Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots. I know
more about the Dolphins than I do the Jets. I
know they'll be wildly productive on offense. Offense is Gary over.
If you don't make big wholesale changes, a good offense
one year is a good offense the next year. It's
not the same for defense. Jets. Hassan Redick's not in camp,
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Huff's gone a lot of noise. I think it's Bill's Dolphins, Jets, Patriots,
AFC North. I don't know if there's a great team.
I'm out on the Steelers. Brown's ownership quarterback scares me.
It's Ravens Bengals. I may revisit this. I'm gonna go
listen Lamar Jackson's health. I trust him to be healthy
by week seventeen, even though he's had injuries more than
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Joe Burrow. But if Joe Burrow is upright for the
entire season, Cincinnati may win this division. AFC South. I
feel really good about my pick now. I really like
the Texans. I like everything about what they're doing. Jaguar's
best roster. I believe Trevor Lawrence has had and he
is healthy. I still don't know if Anthony Richardson's style
last in this league. Titans I don't think are very good.
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AFC West. Here's the thing, Kansas City should be better
at wide receiver. The Chargers worry me now because Denver,
I think is better faster with bow Nicks than I thought,
and I thought it was gonna work. I'm a little
worried about Justin Herbert. I got Jmack in my ear,
so my division winners in the AFC remain, the Bills, Ravens, Texans, Chiefs.
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But I'm gonna move the Dolphins into the playoffs and
the Chargers out because the Dolphins give me things. I
know Tua Waddle, Tyreek, Mike McDaniel, those running backs. Remember.
Great offenses carry over year to year. Great defenses don't.
There's just too many unknowns now with the Chargers, Herbert's health,
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their receiving corps, I just don't know. And so I'm
going to have for the time being Chargers last team out.
Dolphins are in in the NFC. I've told you Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants.
I think Dallas misses the playoff. I think the Commanders
are the shock of the league. I'll get to that
in a second. Here's my big change, and it's pretty subtle.
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Packers Lions, Bears, Vikings. I'm gonna flip pack and Lions.
When the Packers played the Lions the second time in
Jordan Love had experience, they beat Detroit. I know the
Lions have a better offensive line, the depth of offensive talent
and the coaching and the quarterback mobility of Green Bay
is better. I'm gonna go with a young, ascending team
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in my opinion, the better head coach, the better quarterback talent,
and a loaded stack roster of receiver and tight end talent,
Lions still make the playoffs. Bears are gonna be exciting,
but it's a hell of a division. Vikings the best
fourth place team in the league NFC South. I think
Atlanta's gonna run away with it. I think Atlanta's gonna
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win potentially twelve to thirteen games. I really do. I
really like Atlanta. I say that being lighter in the
wallet my entire adult life. On Falcons games, blocks are good,
not as good as Atlanta. Panthers are gonna be fun
to watch, much better at wide receiver. Still, third Saints
will be a mess. I think they're first team to
fire their coach and in the NFC West. I said
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last year, I think they're leaning too much on McCaffrey.
What's the situation on Brandon IU? Will Trent Williams be ready?
I think the Jets could beat him in Week one.
I think they pull back a little. I think they
have peaked physically. They'll be good, they won't be as special.
Seahawks I think are interesting, A bit of a mystery
team to me. Arizona four so in the division winner category, Eagles, Packers, Falcons, Rams, Lions, Commanders, Niners.
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Of the wild card teams, I'm just gonna take a
little younger team in green Bay. I like everything about
where green Bay is going right now. I also think
they have a history of winning, and I think Detroit doesn't.
And now Detroit's got from Detroit's gone from the hunter
to the hunted, and I'm not sure how they're gonna
deal with that. They've never been that now, even last
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year they were the hunter. Now the Lions are the hunted.
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Speaker 1 (12:29):
Greg co Sell has been working forty five years at
NFL Films. He joins US Live, there's some preseason stuff
that's interesting. I've said before there's one or two things
that have jumped out to me. So one of the
things that's jumped out to me is Bonnecks. I've seen,
you know, six seven drives. He just I mean, listen,
you can watch guys in any line of work and
you go that person knows what he's doing. It doesn't
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guarantee he's gonna win twelve games, but I'm watching the
kid moves accurate, clearly, clearly cognitive. He's in and out
of plays fast. I mean, what is your take on
what you're seeing with plus Sean Payton helps as well.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, And I think one thing you notice with Nix
is he looks very similar to what he did at Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
He looks in control.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
He's a quick, rhythm thrower, not a big gun, but
he can run your offense. And one of the things
that maybe a lot of people Colin are not aware
of is he called all the protections at Oregon and
that is a big positive stepping stone as you make
the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And actually, we just see this throw to Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's also an example of Sean Payton because what Sean
Payton does so well is he creates route combinations that
really define the reads and the throws for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
So Nicks really only has to read one defender.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
He doesn't have to go through a lengthy process to
figure things out, and that's where coaching comes into play.
But you're one hundred percent right. He looks like a
very comfortable quarterback. And the other thing I noticed he
was better in the second preseason game than the first.
The first preseason game, he showed a little bit of
a tendency to break down too quickly in the pocket,
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and guys that can move have a tendency to do that,
particularly when they get to the NFL when the game's
a little faster. Even though it's preseason, the game's still
a little faster. I thought in the second preseason game
he was a little more comfortable. But clearly it's been
a positive. But he looks like he did at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Uh Caleb Williams, speaking of moving, we know he can
do that. You know, the criticism was he can be
a little bit of an ad liver. What have you
seen so far?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, I actually thought the first throw of the preseason,
which was third and twelve, was to me his best play.
We know he can make that throw to a donsday
running to his left, and again that's clearly special.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I'm not saying it's not special.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
But the first throw that he made in the preseason
on third and twelve, that was an example where he
looked to his right, he had to come back to
his left based on the coverage, and he read it out,
stayed in the pocket and delivered the ball to DJ Moore.
There's learning plays as well, Colin. There was a play
in this last preseason game where the design of the
play worked and he had Pettis wide opened down the seam.
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But you know what he did, Williams, which he had
a tendency to do in college. He climbed the pocket
for no reason. There was no reason for him to
do that, and he created his own sack. That's a
learning play. You want to see those plays in the preseason.
Coaches want to see those plays because then they can
teach because don't forget he was sacked at USC.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Didn't have a great old line.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
We know that, but he was sacked over eighty times
in two years at USC, and many of those were
on him, not just the old line. So that's the
learning part that coaches want to see. It's not a
negative to say that. In many ways, it's a positive
because you want to work through those things in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Jayden Daniels, I liked him in college. I like him. Now,
what say you? What do you see?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, another guy that looks really really comfortable dropping back
throwing the ball, doesn't look to get out of the pocket.
I think what stood out, because he played far more
snaps in his second preseason game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Was just a ball placement.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
He was able, and again these were not necessarily long throws,
but again it's the routine throws that you have to make.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Kurt Warner talks about that all the time, and he's right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You can't miss the layups in the National Football League
as a quarterback. So it's all about ball placement and
it has to be precise, and Daniels showed that his
last year at LSU. He's shown that early on in
these preseason games, and that's something you can take away
that has nothing to do with what the coverage might
be or if they're blitzing or not blitzing. You want
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to see a quarterback lay the ball. Look at this
throw that was in the first game, and I believe
the audible to that play. You want to see the
precise ball location, because you just can't miss layups in
this league.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, Michael Pennix didn't play much. They sat him, They
made just they made just say, Greg, we just don't
we're going to We saw JJ McCarthy. We're sitting him down.
Is that worry at all?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Again, he played in the first preseason game, and I thought, again,
this is not an ex and no statement, but Colin,
you've looked at quarterbacks like I have for a long time.
He just looked comfortable. He knew where to go with
the football. He did not play fast. He understood the
route concepts, he understood the coverage when it was one
on one working to the outside here on the vertical route.
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He knew when to go to a checkdown within the
timing of the play. He just looked like a professional quarterback.
Now he's obviously not going to play, assuming everything is fine.
With Kirk Cousins, and I'm sure through training camp in
this first preseason game, they felt they saw what.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
They needed to see.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
But Pennix, I think, look, people kind of rip the
Falcons when they made that pick, but in their mind,
right or wrong, they now believe they've got the quarterback
position all taken care of for the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So you know, Drake May had lousy footwork at Carolina.
The comp was Herbert, and he made a couple of
plays last week, and I got to be honest with you,
he looked physically like justin Herbert. He literally looks like him.
He's raw. How raw do you think he is?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I'm not sure he's at quite as raw as people think.
He had a few things he has to clean up.
He tended to drift to his left in the pocket,
and that you have to clean up in the National
Football League because otherwise you create your own pressure.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I think that he's comfortable.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I mean, he came off some reads and went through progressions.
I thought, again, it's preseason, so we have to understand
what we're talking about. But you can still look at
a quarterback in a vacuum. You can isolate his play
without worrying about all the other things, and he looked comfortable.
He made a really good deep ball throw to Baker
that he dropped. He went through a progression on a
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dig ball on third and six that looked very, very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I got a chance to speak to some coaches at.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
North Carolina where he played, and you know, they told me,
in their mind, there.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Is no bust factor at all with Drake May.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That you have to know the kid, know the way
he works, know how he sees the game, know how
his teammates respawn.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So I like Drake May.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I thought he was the toolsiest quarterback in this draft,
Colin because I got a chance to stand next to him.
I don't know if you've ever seen him in person.
I haven't, but he's a big dude, and that is
a trait. He six four five is a trait.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah. Even on that last play running into the m zone,
he looks like Justin Herbert to me. So I'm watching
the Steelers and now they've had some musical chairs because
of injury. But when you have when you have mobile
quarterbacks and they're hit ten times and sacked four, is
it the new OC? Is it injuries? That offensive line
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they looked out of sorts. I what am I supposed
to make of that? In Pittsburgh?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, the on line was bad in this last preseason game,
particularly the right tackle Broderick Jones, who's the second year player,
who is a first round pick and he's got a
long way to go still. But but you're dealing with
two quarterbacks, Colin and Fields and Wilson. Neither one is
a pure timing and rhythm player. That's not their game. Well,
now you have to think about what you want your
offense to look like. Author Smith is there. There's going
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to be a lot of play action. I think they'll
be quarterback design runs. You can make the argument, and
I have no idea how it's going to play out,
but you can make the argument since neither one is
truly an efficient pocket player, you can make the argument
that Fields ultimately gives them more because you're going to
have more of a quarterback run game with Fields than
you will with Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So again, we don't.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Know how it'll play out, but neither quarterback is truly
that kind of rhythmic player. So we'll see. But you know,
Fields look the same as he always does. He just
doesn't see it as quickly. Wilson in the last couple
of years has not seen it as quickly as you
would like. So they're both similar when you talk about
their pocket skills, but Fields gives you more as a runner.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, it is interesting that you can have so
many traits. Daniel Jones is big, he moves well, his
arm's fine, and he just makes mistakes. It always feels
like the Stingley interception. It's like, Daniel, you got to
miss that on the other side. You can't miss that
on the inside. I don't know how. It just doesn't work.
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And I know he's getting good coaching. I mean, what's
missing with Daniel Jones when you look at film, it's
that size arm movement. No.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I mean his performance was a little on even in
this last preseason game. Obviously he had the one reckless, undisciplined,
probably stupid interception that would went for a touchdown. The
Stingley interception was a really good play by Stingley. It
was probably a touch short. I thought he could have
thrown that ball with a little more trajectory. We're looking
at it right here. It probably needed a little more
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air under the throw. They wanted to work on a
very specific thing in this game. It was evident from
the tape, Colin, and that's what preseason is often for.
They wanted to work on their play action pass game
with deep drops. They wanted him to push the ball
down the field, and they wanted to see how their
old line would protect because that's an issue for them,
the old line. So they wanted to work on something specific.
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But one of the areas in which he's not very good,
and I don't know if at this point in his
career that will happen, is he's not very good at
pocket movement. I'm not talking about running out of the pocket.
He is athletic and he can make plays with his leg, yeah,
but he's not really a pocket mover. He doesn't really
evade rush and move within an area oh the size
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of a boxing ring or a little smaller, and then
reset his throwing platform and deliver comfortably. That's an area
that ultimately you'd like him to really be good at.
He just hasn't been very good at that, and that's
something he needs.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Sam Darnald, I think a lot of it has been
he doesn't and I think he's got the right coach
left tackle weapons If he's ever gonna succeed. This is it.
It's also not a great defensive division outside of Chicago.
When I think we both like Darnald. If I said
to you, i've never seen him, Greg, what's his fatal flaw?
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Why doesn't it work? Because again, size, movement, arm strength
so much does.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I think Donald's one of those guys up to this
point that just doesn't see it as cleanly as you
would like. And he's fortunately in an offense under Kevin O'Connell,
who came from the Rams. He's also worked with Kyle Shanahan,
where he does as good a job as any of
sort of that tree of coaching Shanahan McVeigh, that tree
of presenting a defined read and a clean.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Throw, and that's what Donald needs.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Look, Colin, every offensive coordinator wants the first read to
be the throw. We know that the primary read to
be the throw. That doesn't happen all the time in
the NFL. I think Kevin O'Connell, through his use of formations, motions,
he'll do as good a job as anybody that Donald's
been around.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
As a starter.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Obviously he was not the starter in San Francisco a
year ago, but any place he's been with a as
a starter of presenting that for him, and that's what
he needs because he's really not a great progression reader.
He doesn't quite see it as clearly as you would like.
So you have to define it as best you can
for him. Because he's big, he can throw it. He's
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got movement, just like you said, and you know him
well from usc being at where you are, you know
it looks like he has everything you want.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's just that you know he doesn't see it the
way you want it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Finally, you know, I've said this, Aaron Rodgers has taking
four snaps in five hundred days. The offensive line could
be good, but it's I mean, they got a rookie,
they got old guys. And I said this. The last
time I saw Aaron in Green Bay, he wasn't as
good as Jordan Love is. Now he is passer rad
I was around Daniel Jones, and it's like, folks, he's forty,
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a defensive coach, a suboptimal offensive coordinator, a new offensive line.
Is it very And I don't see him as a
top five or six quarterback anymore because I don't think
he's as dynamic as Lamar. He doesn't throw quite sometimes,
like Stafford and Mahome. I don't think there's a ton
left in the tank. I could be wrong, but four
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snaps in five hundred days the last year in Green Bay.
He didn't fall off a cliff. But is it possible
that Aaron's not going to be the savior we think
and the defense will have to lead him.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah, they do have a really good defense, but we
don't really know the answer to that. I mean, he
was not quite as mobile his last year in Green Bay,
and now he's coming off a really significant injury. It's
very possible that he may end up being essentially a
pocket quarterback. Yeah, which means the offensive line becomes really critical.
Tyron Smith up to this point's been healthy. When he
was healthy last year, he still looked like a top
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five type left tackle Vera Tucker's been healthy. The key
is that offensive line because the nature of that injury.
At his age, he's not likely to have anywhere near
the same mobility that he once had, and he didn't
have that even before the injury his last year in
Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So we know he can still throw at Kylin.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I don't think we have any question that Aaron Rode,
who may be the best thrower we've ever seen. I'm
sure he still throws it really well, but I think
the nature of his game might change.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Greg Cosel forty five years, NFL Film. What a pleasure
to see you again Greg. As always, we will talk
soon and thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
All right, Cole looking forward to another year.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, we call it Colin right, Colin wrong on
a Monday, plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Here we go where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Caitlin Clark breaks the w NBA Rookie record. Also, Angel
Reese is on fire setting records. They both should have
been on the Olympic team. I kept saying, Caitlin just
had to overcome the silly early WNBA schedule. She is
a rising star. Her an Angel Reese on the w
NBA All Star team beat the Olympians. She's I'm telling you,
she is a playmaker. She her passing is so incredibly undervalued.
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She is really the rare big score that's unselfish. She's
got the lebron quality like she loves to pass. And
she's already broken, already broken the WNBA rookie record. And
by the way, Indiana now seventh in the WNBA standings.
Here come the fever. Where Colin was raw. I'd like
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to apologize for supporting Daniel Jones last week. I will
never do it again. It's like Justin Fields, he just
makes too many mistakes. Has he just got a forty
five passer rating, no touchdowns in the preseason. He just
makes to This is a bad throw. You got to
go along on that. You can't let Stingley pick that
ball off. That's a rookie mistake. You've been in this
league too long. And I mean, he's a nice kid.
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I feel bad for him, but you know it's it's
Zach Wilson, it's justin Fields, it's Daniel Jones. You can't
make these mistakes. You're facing backups in many of these instances,
vanilla schemes. You can't make these mistakes. Where Colin was right,
Bonnix looks like a perfect fit. Six scoring drives in
seven drives in the preseason, totally under control, accurate, good
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in the muddy pocket. I said before the draft, this
kid fips, and I'll say it again, do not be
shocked if he is not the best, at least in
year one. The best of the rookie quarterbacks. Denver's offensive
skill is undervalued tight end, receiver and running back. I
think they're better than average. He has been absolutely sensational.
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I said before the draft, this is the guy that'll
work with Sean Payton, and you're seeing it live.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Where Colin was raw, Drake.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
May I thought, look better than I thought he would
all year. In the last preseason game, he had his
footwork down through with confidence, was accurate. I still don't
love his accuracy, but I thought I thought from first
go around to second like it was noticeably more under
control through a beautiful deep ball. Wasn't cod but you
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know he does. When you watch these highlights, he looks
like the comp My NFL executive sources said. They said,
you're want to see some Justin Herbert, and I'm telling
you I saw in that game glimpses of Justin.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Herbert where Colin was right well.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I said Caleb Williams last week would be the most
exciting can't turn the TV off quarterback in the league
this year. Not saying the best, but the most exciting.
I'm watching this game against Cincinnati, you can't shut the
TV off. He's fascinating. He's got a little Lamar, got
a little Mahomes, little Josh Allen, spinning, moving, running, throwing
off bounce. Now the criticism is he can be too
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much of an ad libber. I'm not saying that's wrong,
but soaking Josh Allen and it's a lot of fun
to watch. This kid is magic and he will be
that one o'clock window on Fox watch the games because
he's going to be in that one o'clock window a lot.
He is sensational. Where Colin was right, Well, the Atlanta
Falcons got their edge russell edge rusher that they were
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so harshly criticized for during the draft, and the reason
they drafted Pennix is, you know what you can get
at the trading deadline. You know what you can't get
in a trade before a season starts, a young, talented
franchise quarterback. Nobody's given c J. Stroud away, and they're
not given Michael Pennix away. I did not criticize Atlanta.
I said, listen, if you can get a Michael Pennox
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at that point in the draft, you take him. You
figure out safety later, you figure out edge rusher later.
And they got Matthew Judon from the Patriots, a massive
upgrade for Atlanta. Been searching for an edge rusher for
several years.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
The United States men's national team. My bad landed big
swing and landed Mauricio Focatino. And this is a guy
that has coached Harry Kane, Messi, neymar This is a
real coach. No. I kept saying they're going to get rejected,
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They're going to get the hand from all the top guys.
But he has coached Chelsea. He it has been this
is being viewed as a huge swing, a huge get
and universally accepted. And I didn't trust the United States
Soccer Federation, the women, Yeah, the men didn't trust him.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Tip of the cap where Colin was right, well, well.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well what was brought pretty playing without starters this weekend
look like a backup for Carolina. Two for six for
eleven yards with no Christian McCaffrey, no trimp, no depot,
three drives, no scores. That's funny. And have Hall of
famers to carry him running for Oh boy, not a
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lot of zip. There isn't it funny? I've said before,
Put him in Carolina, put him with the Giants, owe line.
It's not that I don't like him, but this idea
that he is this wildly creative, strong armed, generational talent.
He basically got a Mercedes. Don't run it into a tree,
you know, don't hit the garage door when it's opening.
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When he played with backups.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
How do you look?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And StubHub announced ticket sales college football up forty two
percent year to year, and it's because of the conference
realignment games. That's what StubHub announced. I pushed back on
the idea that transfer portal, the NIL and conference realignment
was going to kill the sport. Folks I grew up
in the West Coast. I was over cal against Oregon State,
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Give me Oregon against Ohio State, USC against Michigan, Texas
against LSU or Florida. StubHub announcing conference realignment is not
only not puncturing college football, they're almost up fifty percent
year to year in sales. People want new, they want fresh,
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they want fund and that's what conference realignment is. And
the transfer portal, by the way, new star quarterbacks Riley
Leonard at Notre Dame, I want to see it. I'm
excited for where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong.
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Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, so I'm gonna I get two more. This is
gonna be one. I get two more opportunities before the
season starts. I'm gonna do one on the Thursday before
the opening NFL game. I'm gonna do one. Now is
that I've watched the preseason, I'm reading, like you everything,
and I'm gonna give you a sense of where I
feel with my playoffs. So I've made a couple of changes,
couple of minor changes, but they're changes, and I'll give
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you the reason why. So let's start with the AFC.
I still feel it's Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots. I know
more about the Dolphins than I do the Jets. I
know they'll be wildly productive on offense. Offense is Gary over.
If you don't make big wholesale changes, a good offense
one year is a good offense the next year. It's
not the same for defense. Jets. Hassan Redick's not in camp,
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Huff's gone a lot of noise. I think it's Bill's Dolphins, Jets, Patriots,
AFC North. I don't know if there's a great team.
I'm out on the Steelers. Brown's ownership quarterback scares me.
It's Ravens Bengals. I may revisit this. I'm gonna go
listen Lamar Jackson's health. I trust him to be healthy
by week seventeen, even though he's had injuries more than
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Joe Burrow. But if Joe Burrow is upright for the
entire season, Cincinnati may win this division. AFC South. I
feel really good about my pick now. I really like
the Texans. I like everything about what they're doing. Jaguar's
best roster. I believe Trevor Lawrence has had and he
is healthy. I still don't know if Anthony Richardson's style
last in this league. Titans I don't think are very good.
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AFC West. Here's the thing, Kansas City should be better
at wide receiver. The Chargers worry me now because Denver,
I think is better faster with bow Nicks than I thought,
and I thought it was gonna work. I'm a little
worried about Justin Herbert. I got Jmack in my ear,
so my division winners in the AFC remain, the Bills, Ravens, Texans, Chiefs.
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But I'm gonna move the Dolphins into the playoffs and
the Chargers out because the Dolphins give me things. I
know Tua Waddle, Tyreek, Mike McDaniel, those running backs. Remember.
Great offenses carry over year to year. Great defenses don't.
There's just too many unknowns now with the Chargers, Herbert's health,
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their receiving corps, I just don't know. And so I'm
going to have for the time being Chargers last team out.
Dolphins are in in the NFC. I've told you Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants.
I think Dallas misses the playoff. I think the Commanders
are the shock of the league. I'll get to that
in a second. Here's my big change, and it's pretty subtle.
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Packers Lions, Bears, Vikings. I'm gonna flip pack and Lions.
When the Packers played the Lions the second time in
Jordan Love had experience, they beat Detroit. I know the
Lions have a better offensive line, the depth of offensive talent
and the coaching and the quarterback mobility of Green Bay
is better. I'm gonna go with a young, ascending team
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in my opinion, the better head coach, the better quarterback talent,
and a loaded stack roster of receiver and tight end talent,
Lions still make the playoffs. Bears are gonna be exciting,
but it's a hell of a division. Vikings the best
fourth place team in the league NFC South. I think
Atlanta's gonna run away with it. I think Atlanta's gonna
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win potentially twelve to thirteen games. I really do. I
really like Atlanta. I say that being lighter in the
wallet my entire adult life. On Falcons games, blocks are good,
not as good as Atlanta. Panthers are gonna be fun
to watch, much better at wide receiver. Still, third Saints
will be a mess. I think they're first team to
fire their coach and in the NFC West. I said
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last year, I think they're leaning too much on McCaffrey.
What's the situation on Brandon IU? Will Trent Williams be ready?
I think the Jets could beat him in Week one.
I think they pull back a little. I think they
have peaked physically. They'll be good, they won't be as special.
Seahawks I think are interesting, A bit of a mystery
team to me. Arizona four so in the division winner category, Eagles, Packers, Falcons, Rams, Lions, Commanders, Niners.
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Of the wild card teams, I'm just gonna take a
little younger team in green Bay. I like everything about
where green Bay is going right now. I also think
they have a history of winning, and I think Detroit doesn't.
And now Detroit's got from Detroit's gone from the hunter
to the hunted, and I'm not sure how they're gonna
deal with that. They've never been that now, even last
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year they were the hunter. Now the Lions are the hunted.
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Speaker 1 (12:29):
Greg co Sell has been working forty five years at
NFL Films. He joins US Live, there's some preseason stuff
that's interesting. I've said before there's one or two things
that have jumped out to me. So one of the
things that's jumped out to me is Bonnecks. I've seen,
you know, six seven drives. He just I mean, listen,
you can watch guys in any line of work and
you go that person knows what he's doing. It doesn't
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guarantee he's gonna win twelve games, but I'm watching the
kid moves accurate, clearly, clearly cognitive. He's in and out
of plays fast. I mean, what is your take on
what you're seeing with plus Sean Payton helps as well.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, And I think one thing you notice with Nix
is he looks very similar to what he did at Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
He looks in control.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
He's a quick, rhythm thrower, not a big gun, but
he can run your offense. And one of the things
that maybe a lot of people Colin are not aware
of is he called all the protections at Oregon and
that is a big positive stepping stone as you make
the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And actually, we just see this throw to Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's also an example of Sean Payton because what Sean
Payton does so well is he creates route combinations that
really define the reads and the throws for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
So Nicks really only has to read one defender.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
He doesn't have to go through a lengthy process to
figure things out, and that's where coaching comes into play.
But you're one hundred percent right. He looks like a
very comfortable quarterback. And the other thing I noticed he
was better in the second preseason game than the first.
The first preseason game, he showed a little bit of
a tendency to break down too quickly in the pocket,
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and guys that can move have a tendency to do that,
particularly when they get to the NFL when the game's
a little faster. Even though it's preseason, the game's still
a little faster. I thought in the second preseason game
he was a little more comfortable. But clearly it's been
a positive. But he looks like he did at Oregon.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Uh Caleb Williams, speaking of moving, we know he can
do that. You know, the criticism was he can be
a little bit of an ad liver. What have you
seen so far?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, I actually thought the first throw of the preseason,
which was third and twelve, was to me his best play.
We know he can make that throw to a donsday
running to his left, and again that's clearly special.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I'm not saying it's not special.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
But the first throw that he made in the preseason
on third and twelve, that was an example where he
looked to his right, he had to come back to
his left based on the coverage, and he read it out,
stayed in the pocket and delivered the ball to DJ Moore.
There's learning plays as well, Colin. There was a play
in this last preseason game where the design of the
play worked and he had Pettis wide opened down the seam.
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But you know what he did, Williams, which he had
a tendency to do in college. He climbed the pocket
for no reason. There was no reason for him to
do that, and he created his own sack. That's a
learning play. You want to see those plays in the preseason.
Coaches want to see those plays because then they can
teach because don't forget he was sacked at USC.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Didn't have a great old line.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
We know that, but he was sacked over eighty times
in two years at USC, and many of those were
on him, not just the old line. So that's the
learning part that coaches want to see. It's not a
negative to say that. In many ways, it's a positive
because you want to work through those things in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Jayden Daniels, I liked him in college. I like him. Now,
what say you? What do you see?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, another guy that looks really really comfortable dropping back
throwing the ball, doesn't look to get out of the pocket.
I think what stood out, because he played far more
snaps in his second preseason game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Was just a ball placement.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
He was able, and again these were not necessarily long throws,
but again it's the routine throws that you have to make.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Kurt Warner talks about that all the time, and he's right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You can't miss the layups in the National Football League
as a quarterback. So it's all about ball placement and
it has to be precise, and Daniels showed that his
last year at LSU. He's shown that early on in
these preseason games, and that's something you can take away
that has nothing to do with what the coverage might
be or if they're blitzing or not blitzing. You want
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to see a quarterback lay the ball. Look at this
throw that was in the first game, and I believe
the audible to that play. You want to see the
precise ball location, because you just can't miss layups in
this league.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, Michael Pennix didn't play much. They sat him, They
made just they made just say, Greg, we just don't
we're going to We saw JJ McCarthy. We're sitting him down.
Is that worry at all?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Again, he played in the first preseason game, and I thought, again,
this is not an ex and no statement, but Colin,
you've looked at quarterbacks like I have for a long time.
He just looked comfortable. He knew where to go with
the football. He did not play fast. He understood the
route concepts, he understood the coverage when it was one
on one working to the outside here on the vertical route.
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He knew when to go to a checkdown within the
timing of the play. He just looked like a professional quarterback.
Now he's obviously not going to play, assuming everything is fine.
With Kirk Cousins, and I'm sure through training camp in
this first preseason game, they felt they saw what.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
They needed to see.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
But Pennix, I think, look, people kind of rip the
Falcons when they made that pick, but in their mind,
right or wrong, they now believe they've got the quarterback
position all taken care of for the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So you know, Drake May had lousy footwork at Carolina.
The comp was Herbert, and he made a couple of
plays last week, and I got to be honest with you,
he looked physically like justin Herbert. He literally looks like him.
He's raw. How raw do you think he is?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I'm not sure he's at quite as raw as people think.
He had a few things he has to clean up.
He tended to drift to his left in the pocket,
and that you have to clean up in the National
Football League because otherwise you create your own pressure.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But I think that he's comfortable.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I mean, he came off some reads and went through progressions.
I thought, again, it's preseason, so we have to understand
what we're talking about. But you can still look at
a quarterback in a vacuum. You can isolate his play
without worrying about all the other things, and he looked comfortable.
He made a really good deep ball throw to Baker
that he dropped. He went through a progression on a
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dig ball on third and six that looked very, very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I got a chance to speak to some coaches at.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
North Carolina where he played, and you know, they told me,
in their mind, there.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Is no bust factor at all with Drake May.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That you have to know the kid, know the way
he works, know how he sees the game, know how
his teammates respawn.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So I like Drake May.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I thought he was the toolsiest quarterback in this draft,
Colin because I got a chance to stand next to him.
I don't know if you've ever seen him in person.
I haven't, but he's a big dude, and that is
a trait. He six four five is a trait.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah. Even on that last play running into the m zone,
he looks like Justin Herbert to me. So I'm watching
the Steelers and now they've had some musical chairs because
of injury. But when you have when you have mobile
quarterbacks and they're hit ten times and sacked four, is
it the new OC? Is it injuries? That offensive line
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they looked out of sorts. I what am I supposed
to make of that? In Pittsburgh?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, the on line was bad in this last preseason game,
particularly the right tackle Broderick Jones, who's the second year player,
who is a first round pick and he's got a
long way to go still. But but you're dealing with
two quarterbacks, Colin and Fields and Wilson. Neither one is
a pure timing and rhythm player. That's not their game. Well,
now you have to think about what you want your
offense to look like. Author Smith is there. There's going
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to be a lot of play action. I think they'll
be quarterback design runs. You can make the argument, and
I have no idea how it's going to play out,
but you can make the argument since neither one is
truly an efficient pocket player, you can make the argument
that Fields ultimately gives them more because you're going to
have more of a quarterback run game with Fields than
you will with Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So again, we don't.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Know how it'll play out, but neither quarterback is truly
that kind of rhythmic player. So we'll see. But you know,
Fields look the same as he always does. He just
doesn't see it as quickly. Wilson in the last couple
of years has not seen it as quickly as you
would like. So they're both similar when you talk about
their pocket skills, but Fields gives you more as a runner.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know, it is interesting that you can have so
many traits. Daniel Jones is big, he moves well, his
arm's fine, and he just makes mistakes. It always feels
like the Stingley interception. It's like, Daniel, you got to
miss that on the other side. You can't miss that
on the inside. I don't know how. It just doesn't work.
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And I know he's getting good coaching. I mean, what's
missing with Daniel Jones when you look at film, it's
that size arm movement. No.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I mean his performance was a little on even in
this last preseason game. Obviously he had the one reckless, undisciplined,
probably stupid interception that would went for a touchdown. The
Stingley interception was a really good play by Stingley. It
was probably a touch short. I thought he could have
thrown that ball with a little more trajectory. We're looking
at it right here. It probably needed a little more
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air under the throw. They wanted to work on a
very specific thing in this game. It was evident from
the tape, Colin, and that's what preseason is often for.
They wanted to work on their play action pass game
with deep drops. They wanted him to push the ball
down the field, and they wanted to see how their
old line would protect because that's an issue for them,
the old line. So they wanted to work on something specific.
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But one of the areas in which he's not very good,
and I don't know if at this point in his
career that will happen, is he's not very good at
pocket movement. I'm not talking about running out of the pocket.
He is athletic and he can make plays with his leg, yeah,
but he's not really a pocket mover. He doesn't really
evade rush and move within an area oh the size
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of a boxing ring or a little smaller, and then
reset his throwing platform and deliver comfortably. That's an area
that ultimately you'd like him to really be good at.
He just hasn't been very good at that, and that's
something he needs.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Sam Darnald, I think a lot of it has been
he doesn't and I think he's got the right coach
left tackle weapons If he's ever gonna succeed. This is it.
It's also not a great defensive division outside of Chicago.
When I think we both like Darnald. If I said
to you, i've never seen him, Greg, what's his fatal flaw?
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Why doesn't it work? Because again, size, movement, arm strength
so much does.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I think Donald's one of those guys up to this
point that just doesn't see it as cleanly as you
would like. And he's fortunately in an offense under Kevin O'Connell,
who came from the Rams. He's also worked with Kyle Shanahan,
where he does as good a job as any of
sort of that tree of coaching Shanahan McVeigh, that tree
of presenting a defined read and a clean.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Throw, and that's what Donald needs.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Look, Colin, every offensive coordinator wants the first read to
be the throw. We know that the primary read to
be the throw. That doesn't happen all the time in
the NFL. I think Kevin O'Connell, through his use of formations, motions,
he'll do as good a job as anybody that Donald's
been around.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
As a starter.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Obviously he was not the starter in San Francisco a
year ago, but any place he's been with a as
a starter of presenting that for him, and that's what
he needs because he's really not a great progression reader.
He doesn't quite see it as clearly as you would like.
So you have to define it as best you can
for him. Because he's big, he can throw it. He's
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got movement, just like you said, and you know him
well from usc being at where you are, you know
it looks like he has everything you want.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's just that you know he doesn't see it the
way you want it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Finally, you know, I've said this, Aaron Rodgers has taking
four snaps in five hundred days. The offensive line could
be good, but it's I mean, they got a rookie,
they got old guys. And I said this. The last
time I saw Aaron in Green Bay, he wasn't as
good as Jordan Love is. Now he is passer rad
I was around Daniel Jones, and it's like, folks, he's forty,
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a defensive coach, a suboptimal offensive coordinator, a new offensive line.
Is it very And I don't see him as a
top five or six quarterback anymore because I don't think
he's as dynamic as Lamar. He doesn't throw quite sometimes,
like Stafford and Mahome. I don't think there's a ton
left in the tank. I could be wrong, but four
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snaps in five hundred days the last year in Green Bay.
He didn't fall off a cliff. But is it possible
that Aaron's not going to be the savior we think
and the defense will have to lead him.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah, they do have a really good defense, but we
don't really know the answer to that. I mean, he
was not quite as mobile his last year in Green Bay,
and now he's coming off a really significant injury. It's
very possible that he may end up being essentially a
pocket quarterback. Yeah, which means the offensive line becomes really critical.
Tyron Smith up to this point's been healthy. When he
was healthy last year, he still looked like a top
(25:40):
five type left tackle Vera Tucker's been healthy. The key
is that offensive line because the nature of that injury.
At his age, he's not likely to have anywhere near
the same mobility that he once had, and he didn't
have that even before the injury his last year in
Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So we know he can still throw at Kylin.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I don't think we have any question that Aaron Rode,
who may be the best thrower we've ever seen. I'm
sure he still throws it really well, but I think
the nature of his game might change.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Greg Cosel forty five years, NFL Film. What a pleasure
to see you again Greg. As always, we will talk
soon and thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
All right, Cole looking forward to another year.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Thank you you bet
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