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Colin points out the major difference between Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson as the Chiefs and Ravens prepare to kickoff the NFL season tomorrow night

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh here we go, how luck here Wait, nobody's got
it better than us. It is a Wednesday Joel Clattenin
hour live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. Not going to roll
the sleeves up for another hour, because this has such
an easy lift this time of the year, there's so

(00:47):
many things to talk about. Jmat Tomorrow, the NFL season starts,
and it's not just that it's just not a game.
It's Mahomes, it's Lamar, it's Baltimore, it's Kansas City heavyweight
fight that's been one sided so far.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm already sick in the seats.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I mean TNIs, Kelsey, Taylor, Swift, Pactor Malmes.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Can we be done with these guys?

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, let's talk about tomorrow's NFL start, because it's fascinating
and it's been one sided, and it probably shouldn't be.
I've argued before, I think Baltimore may be the best
run organization in the sport. And if they're not, it's
Kansas City. Two great coaches, two great owners, excellent executives,
usually excellent coordinators and defenses. The difference has been Mahomes

(01:35):
and Lamar. And it's not just that Mahomes is better
than Lamar. Mahomes is better than everybody in the last
twenty years not named Tom Brady. It's that Lamar falls
off a cliff against Kansas City. And you know, I
love Lamar. I've been saying this forever, this is Hall
of Famer. But when these two meet head to head,
Lamar can't complete fifty six percent of his throws. His

(01:56):
passer rating is like CFL and this is one of
the most gifted quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life.
What the hell happens? So clearly, this rivalry, it's not
about the coaches, not about the owners, not about the
draft picks, not about the defense. It's been about Lamar regressing.
Why So let's start with this Mahomes is a better player. Okay,
he's better than everybody. He'd better than everybody not named

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Brady in the last two decades, he'd better than everybody.
But why is he falling off a cliff? And I'll
let me theorize why I believe this to be so.
Lamar Jackson is twenty and one. That doesn't even make
sense against the NFC. And I mean he's blown the
doors off teams like Good Detroit, San Francisco. He's twenty
and one against the NFC. Why Because if you don't

(02:43):
face Lamar Jackson regularly, it's like growing up in San
Diego and trying to drive on ice. You can read
a manual, it's not gonna work. You've got to be
on ice, driving on that ice in Milwaukee and Minnesota
for years to figure it out. That hyper speed is
like nothing we've seen. It's like Michael Vick, but faster,
way twitchier. It's like being a parent. Your grandparents give

(03:04):
your heads up, your neighbors, your friends. Yet doctor Spock
didn't give your heads up on the smells of it.
And so if you've never faced Lamar or faced him infrequently,
there's nothing like him. You have nobody on your roster
to duplicate him. But if you face him regularly, I
had a GM telling me this year's ago, you get
him a second time in a season, and Steve spag

(03:25):
Nolan now faces on on a fairly regular basis. You
can have game plan for him, but you couldn't game
plan for Brady, and you can't game plan for Mahomes
because what makes Brady and Mahomes so brilliant. You took
away the deep mall from Mahomes. He's like, okay, death
by a thousand cuts. You took away Randy Moss from Brady. Okay,

(03:45):
it's death by a thousand cuts. Is that both Mahomes
and Brady have a second pitch, a third pitch, a
fourth pitch. And that's why there the two greatest quarterbacks
in my opinion of all time. Nolan Ryan had a
great fastball, and if it was Hummon, we make it
a no hitter. But he won fifty two percent of

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his games. Clayton Kershaw didn't throw that hard. He went
over sixty right and didn't have all the no hitters.
And so I think what Lamar is developing, and I've
always said he's a better passer than he gets credit for.
I watched the games. You watch the games. It's not
a liability. But Brady and Mahomes have mastered the pocket

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to a level that I mean, there's only a couple
of people like a Peyton Manning a Marino in lway
that even rival it, and Aaron Rodgers a Marino. I mean,
there's just a handful of breeze handful of guys ever
that have rivaled it. And so that's what's fascinating about
Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. It's not that Mahomes is winning,
it's that Lamar falls off a cliff and it does

(04:49):
appear I'm not saying Lamar's Nolan Ryan, but it does
kind of feel like if Lamar's run game is implemented
and Hammon lights out, if you can slow that down,
if you're hitting a fastball, it doesn't feel quite the same.
And I think that's been the secret sauce for Kansas
City is the frequency in which they see him right,

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the frequency there's a bit of a game plan. There
is no game plan for Brady. There is no game
plan for Mahomes. There is none. He may not run
the entire game. Fourth quarter bad Wheels takes off forty
five yards. There's no game plan for him, and that's
why he keeps both of them. Brady Mahomes keep hoisting trophies.

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All right, So the last episode of Hard Knocks last
night with the Chicago Bears final episodes. So what makes
the Bears and Caleb Williams so fascinating. I'm looking at
all these one o'clock game Sundays, Titans Bears unlocked. I
may not even go red zone. I may just turn

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that thing on one play like it is fantastic. And
what makes Chicago so fascinating is that they've done virtually,
No it's not virtually. They've done the impossible. In the NFL,
They've never had a great quarterback ever for an extended period.
The Chargers, the Chargers, they're charging. They've had rivers, they

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got Herbert, they had breeze, they had fouls. Niners have
had four or five. Packers have had four or five,
Eagles have had three or four or five. Bear's none.
Never had a single quarterback ever throw for over four
thousand yards. That's like being a casino and never making money.
People go to your casino and give you money. The

(06:44):
casino always whims one hundred years running a casino, Yeah,
we never made a profit. How do you not have
one quarterback ever that's thrown for four thousand yards? They
don't have a quarterback that's ever thrown for over thirty touchdowns.
Even Blake Bortles did that in Jacksonville. That's going on
with Chicago. Well it's the weather. No, it's not, because
Green Bay and Buffalo had it all the time. What
it is it's cultural, it's systemic. And I'll give you

(07:07):
an example. So when they hired a coach years ago,
is the league's pivoting to offense? The rules are all offense.
The oldest owner in the NFL, Missus McCaskey, Who does
she rely on? Bill Pollian eighty years old? I love Bill,
I know Bill, but Bill old school. Let's go with

(07:29):
a defensive coach. Jeffrey Lourie Verry produced a lot of
movies in Hollywood. Jeffrey Lewie, if you look at his
business is always on the cutting edge. He just keeps
hiring offensive coaches, getting quarterbacks, offensive coaches, mobile quarterbacks, offensive coaches.
You look at Staying Kronkey again, la a lot of

(07:50):
business cutting edge of stuff. Let's go hire Sean McVay
thirty years old. Less sneed young GM They're constantly moving.
They're kind of progressive creators Jeffrey Lorie, Stan Cronkey, always
trying new stuff. But they have their values, they have
their formulas like everybody else. So to win in Chicago

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isn't just about being really talented. Caleb Williams and it's
unfair will have to be transformational because the oldest owner,
they're still celebrating the nineteen eighty five Chicago Bears. The
Bears have done virtually the impossible. They're a casino that
doesn't make money. How in the world can you not

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one time have quarterbacks over thirty five touchdowns? All the
rules have changed. How you do it when you're clinging
to the past. You do it when you celebrate a
team from nineteen eighty five. That's what Caleb Williams will

(08:59):
have to overcome moratorium on celebrating the eighty five Bears.
It's enough, it's great, let's move past that. I mean,
the Rams aren't even celebrating their title team from two
years three years ago in LA like they moved on
from Aaron Donald. They moved on. They don't talk about it.
It's the next thing. So good luck to Caleb Williams.

(09:21):
He's gonna need it because it is. It is incredible.
When you look at this league, you know, sometimes you think,
you know, all these billionaire owners is not the way
it works. It's not even with coaches, gms, quarterbacks or
owners or ownership groups. It's not even I don't care

(09:42):
if it's fair. They may all be billionaires, they're different
and Chicago's been like different on the bad side of it,
all right. J Mac Joel Platt one hour. Steve Sarkesan
stops by today. The Pittsburgh Steelers spending more money on defense.
Tell me if you've I heard that before the Niners
did something. Do you see what the Niners did?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't think so. I'm so locked in on the Jets.
I think I missed the Niners. Oh the fringing up
the cap space? Is that what you're talking about now?

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
OK, yeah, It's funny how the smart people figure out
ways to find money.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
A little easier to do that with Rock Party making
like eight hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Oh, but they they've had all these great players pre
Rock Purty. Why do they keep being able to afford.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
All these great players that should be the Dallas model. Huh.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Why can Dallas not have as many players? And the
Niners have like nine Pro bowlers and they're paying all
of them. They're paying all of them, and they're gonna
continue to pay all of them. Why is that? We'll
talk about that coming up.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
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Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, we got so much going up this weekend. Texas
Michigan on Fox. That's gonna be so good. That's gonna
be so good. Colorado, Nebraska, keep your eye on that.
I'm still, oh, kind of floating on that La Cloud
nine with USC's win over LSU. I'm not gonna lie. Oh.

(11:07):
I slept like a baby last night. I had a
little National Championship crowns sheep, bring USC gear jumping over
that National Championship fence. Slept like a baby. So the
AP top ten is out. I hope you're sitting down
for this revelation. It may catch you off guard. Of

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the top ten teams in the country, five are SEC JMAC,
four are Big ten, and one is Notre Dame, who,
in my opinion, should join the Big ten academically in football.
They feel like the right fit. Nine of ten and
Notre Dame, which is in the Midwest and is a
big brand and should be a Big ten school. And

(11:50):
if I had to fit two more teams in here,
in my opinion from what I've seen, it would be
USC and Tennessee a Big ten and an SEC team.
You can alter and change college football transfer portal, nil
conference realignment, dispan the PAC twelve folks. You can change
the tax system. Rich people Gon stay rich. You can

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occupy Wall Street forever, Brickshire, Hathaway, Blackrock will be at
the top. The only college football program that has entered
the national Championship discussion on a regular basis in the
last fifty years Oregon because of a brilliant man named
Phil Knight, his company, Nike, and their vision. I watched

(12:37):
them map it out when I work there.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
TCU was interesting for a moment. Boise State will get
an occasional upset, but come on now, it's the same
big dogs. And if you think in a twelve team playoff,
a liberty a Boise State of Houston can line up
four times against the big dogs, It's not gonna happen.

(13:02):
You don't have the dogs for this idea or odd
it's March madness. We've seen it before. In March madness,
it's much more popular. You only have five starting players,
if you have a great NBA talent, you can win
multiple games. Colin, what about Gonzaga, Well, Gonzaga is a
blue blood and they still don't have a title. But
they're a blue blood. They got three or four NBA

(13:23):
guys every class, they got NBA dues everywhere, and for
the record, they still don't have a title. So in
March madness, it is dominated by the blue bloods. In
college football with all those NFL bodies. In no way
a liberty, even a Utah which is a great program,
lining up week after week after week after week four times,

(13:44):
three maybe probably four times to win a Natty not
gonna happen. So people are paralyzed by it. But you know,
you can convince me that NFTs of the future. Now
it's stocks, it's equities, it's bonds, it's cash, it's real estate.
You can sell me on all this stuff. It's the
same teams. Bama Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma. USC now

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has the right every time. USC's got the right coach.
They're battling for Natties Oregon and Phil Knight's money, Penn State, LSU.
It's the same teams. Don't fear change if you don't
love change. College football, for most of my life didn't
provide much change. But now in the last three years,

(14:27):
it's been nothing but change. And it's the same teams
in your top ten. J Mack with a news.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, no, turn on the news. This is the herd
line news.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
All right, let's start with the NFL.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
That Brandon aiyuk contract SAGA obviously ended four years, one
hundred twenty million dollars deal. He's tied with Tyreek Hill
and amar Ras Saint Brown as the fourth highest paid
receiver in the NFL. But I took to the podium
yesterday and actually made a bit of a revelation about
the process.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Serious, I'm not gonna lie, I made a little bit
more difficult than it needed to at the end. Oh
but yeah, it was, I mean it was it was
like that from from I'm not gonna say the whole
entire time, but uh, for about the past month. I
think we're We're pretty good. I just had a feel
for what I wanted, not just in terms of money,

(15:20):
but in all those teams that you said, and ultimately
I wanted to be here and I ended up being here.
So I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm good, I'm happy. I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, it makes a lot of money and they continue
to be.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Able to be here.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Really well, No, I think he did.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
The deal was on the table for two and a
half weeks. He didn't sign it.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
We'll time out, don't Doesn't a player have a right
to push back on ownership?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
We have a He did push back and they said,
we're not budgeting. He signed the deal that was out
there for two and a half weeks. It was like
he didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Practice or go to camp.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
But he has a right he can.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is that a good look?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well, I don't. He doesn't care about the look, what
about his teammates.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
It's not an individual thing.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
This season didn't start. He signed with ten days to go.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
You want to be here, you want you want to
get on board with everyone else.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
You just don't want to work out starters. No longer
play in the preseason. Let's slow down on that this
is not nineteen eighty eight. They've taken a preseason game
away and starters no longer play.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
How about practice? You want to you want to join practice?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You think? Do you think he forgot how to catch
a football?

Speaker 4 (16:18):
I think he just showed very listen. I didn't like
how this saga ended. I don't think the Niners get either.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
It does feel like we're getting this sort of conveyor
belt of wide receiver drama, which has always been the
drama position in the league. But I do think it's
okay to push back a little bit. I mean, I think, again,
he didn't do this in Week four. He didn't do
this at the trade dead luck, this is the off season.
He's a very productive player. I mean Jamar Chay is

(16:46):
doing the same thing. This is a guy again, it's
not remembered. This is not like a left tackle like
Trent Williams. By the way, I worry about some of
the mechanics of being left tackle because that's part of
a cohesive unit. Brandon, I, you job is to run routes,
run fast and get open and catch. You can hold
out a while for that. There are positions I don't
want holdout. Quarterback left tackle.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
What about ed rusher? What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Again, I'd like an ed rusher in camp. I'm pretty
when it comes to running backs, corners, wide receiver, those
are like hyperathletic positions where guys don't forget how to
backpedal or catch or find the hole. I'm gonna let
a running back or receiver, a corner fight to the
end on the contract. I want my quarterback in my
left tackle. I want those dudes in camp.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Okay, so the problem is both remember did this thing
last year, and he's on record as saying like I
wasn't myself because I didn't have the usual August.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
It took me like a third, two thirds of the
season or half the season to get up to speed.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, that's great, it's not great. But this is also
San Francisco where they've got Debo and Jennings and Kittle
and McCaffrey and drafted two receivers. This is not a
team that is dependent like Trent Williams. They are depending
on that one is uncomfortable, Brandon Aiyuk showing up late.
Let's say Brandon isn't big in Week one. You'll catch

(18:03):
up to speed very quick.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
The The problem is his his replacement, if you will.
Piersoll got shot, yeah, and so.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's not gonna be able to go. So who's the
stretch to the field guy?

Speaker 4 (18:11):
You don't need to play the two high safeties against
the Niners if there's no Brandon, I you, I think
can kind of clog.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
The bucks to protect McCaffrey and Deebo.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think it's a low scoring game. I think the
Niners Jets. If I could bet any part of that
game and feel good about it, it would be the under.
I like the under, and I think it's a played
between the twenties game. I think the Trent and the
IU and the pearsall stories. I think the offense is
Christian McCaffrey hasn't played, so my guess is and I don't.

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You're not gonna score a lot of points on the
Jets anyway, So and I don't think the Jets offense.
I mean Aaron's often his surgery there. That offensive line
could be very good for the Jets. Probably not gonna
be great Week one because old guys don't play in
the preseason. I think Jets Niners is it feels very
twenty four to twenty three, very close, very low scoring.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
It feels like it might be a nineties kind of
game with some really hard hitting defensive life.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
But I don't see thirty three thirty that's Jacksonville Miami y.
I think this is physical, it's a classic game. But
I mean both these have been noisy teams, and I
think they're gonna come in both They're gonna be like
heavyweight fighters feeling each other out for about a quarter
until it gets going. But I don't I don't see

(19:23):
a lot of points.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Who has the edge in Salah Shanahan. They were on
the same staff together. From this perspective, Shanahan knows what
Sala's gonna do, or Sala knows all the best stuff
that Chennan.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Offensive guys usually have the advantage because in Week one,
because they have an entire offseason to create a new stuff.
I mean, we know what Sala does, it's on tape. Shanahan,
Andy Reid, Peyton McVeigh. Those guys come out Week one
with tricks that you don't see. Remember last year in
the opener, veteran coach Pete Carroll comes in, Rams had
a whole new run game run scheme. The Seahawks were completely.

(19:57):
Pete Carroll's a great defensive coach. They were caught flat footed,
and so I always give the advantage to the offensive
coaches in September. Then as the season wears on, you
know there's injuries, you got more film on young quarterbacks,
Then the matchups don't don't feel as lopsided.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Next up, Stefan Diggs is with the Texans. Remember he
left the Bills this offseason and he talked to GQ
GQ Magazine, and GQ said, in talking to Diggs, Stefan
Diggs I was in the worst mental space I've been
in since I've been in the league. He's talking about
that in Buffalo and that's what led him to wanting out.

(20:36):
So Stefan Diggs in a terrible mental space, and the
Houston Texans just said, come on down, we'll take you.
This Texans Colts game is very interesting. I don't know
what to make a Digs because they have a fleet
of receivers now, Tank Dell, Nico Collins, Dalton Schultz. They
picked up Joe Mixon, Like, I just wonder his Dig's
going to be able to get out of that mental
space if he's not getting the ball.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Because I don't know if he's going.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
To the way.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think Digs in Minnesota and Digs in Buffalo was
the piece to extend the offense. I think he's a
piece in Houston, and so I think you have to
have a different mindset. I think Stefan is going to
be at practice and realize very quickly we got dudes
everywhere here, So I don't think I think he's fine.
In fact, I've said this about Stefan Diggs. He doesn't

(21:21):
blow up. Every year he goes to a place, and
by the end of year three he gets a little chirpy.
But I love him on my team, and I think
Houston has a chance to be a super Bowl team.
I mean, I really do think Houston's really good. So
my take is he's going to be a different Stefan Diggs,
and I think he's gonna realize it very quickly. You're
not gonna get one hundred and twenty catches here. They
got too many dudes. But in Minnesota and Buffalo, he

(21:43):
was essential. He was the target of note on a
third down. So if he didn't get it, he's like, dude,
I'm the guy. I think he's gonna view it differently.
In Houston.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I like your optimism Texans two and a half at
the Colts. I fired on this game this morning.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I like Houston. You're very high on the cold.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
We'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
We'll save it for Friday the audience. Here's that Texan schedule,
Colts and Bears.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I am taking Blazing five under consideration, no time out.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'm back, I.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Said, I'm taking it under consideration. It's like when the
kids ask for ice cream for breakfast and I say
no for six months, then I go, well, we're on vacation.
I'll consider it tomorrow. Okay, what you've already leapt to,
we're getting. We're getting. Uh, you don't bring up chocolate
chip tomorrow at seven am tanking. I saw a number
last night. So listen. I know I'm not gonna have

(22:39):
a winning week. I know I'm not twenty years I'm
one in nineteen open, but I do think this is important.
The staff is all you know, there's a behind the scenes.
It's like three questions this morning. What are we doing
on Friday? Oh?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I like what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yead, when are we going to get home? And so
I got it. I have to come to a conclusion.
So I'm gonna look at some numbers. I saw something
last week and gave you a couple. Come on, give
me squad, you gave me. You gave me the Saints
last year in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
That was give me a mile. Wif Uh. But we're
on the Panthers together this weekend.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Right, I said, it's under consideration. It's Wednesday, all right.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Final story A team you will not be backing is
the New York Giants, Colin.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
They play the Vikings this weekend.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Anyways, they were gonna draft a quarterback in the offseason,
ended up taking Elik Neighbors, the electric receiver, with their
first round pick, and they kept Daniel Jones. Clearly New
York is not in love with Jones, and in last
night's season finale of Hard Knocks, Joe Shane and Ryan
Poles had this interaction while watching Georgia's Carson BECKT.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Mean, I stopped me looking at the.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Hopefully it stays away for a long time.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, Daniel Jones. I mean they're not even hiding it now.
They're contempt for him. The Giants are just like every meeting,
it's like, must be nice. We're not happy. I mean
it's everybody in the building knows it. But here's my
take is that if Daniel Jones can't handle that, then
get over it. You're not the guy like you got

(24:19):
to just deal with criticism at this position. If you
can't handle it, if guys like me and commentators are
bothering you, and stuff on hard Knocks is bothering you,
you're not built this or you're not built for it.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I do wonder.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Is there any way he could save this job with neighbors.
Neighbors has looked awesome. I got him in fantasy. This
guy is gonna produce a Here's not.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
This if Caleb and Jaden Daniels forget Daniel Jones, if
they look really good and you're the Giants and you're like, oh,
here's two more guys that are better than my guy.
Because bo Nicks is gonna succeed. I'm not saying it's
gonna win a bunch of games. Bo Nicks is gonna
be productive. If Caleb and Jade and Daniels are productive,

(25:03):
that's three more guys. So I think a lot of
with the Giants is And this is just it's funny
that you get into these conversations like you can keep
talking yourselves into stuff in life. This is good enough,
and that's good enough. Well is it really? Ask yourself
all the time, keep asking yourself a question about everything
in your life. Is it good enough? And if the

(25:25):
answer is consistently yes, then your standards aren't very high,
cause most things don't last. Even in the stock market,
go back thirty years, ninety percent of the companies now
here weren't there. Things change. It's very rare when you
go Mahomes, Alan, Brady, Manning, Breeze. Those guys you can count.
You know, that's about twenty guys all the time that

(25:45):
are like that. Other than that, on average, you should
always be thinking about what we're going to do at
quarterback over the next three years. Are you very Rarely
do you get a Peyton Manning and you're like, we're
baked in for thirteen years. Yeah, Like Houston right now,
Houston's like, we got our guy. Even Joe Burrow, I
love him one more injury. I mean, I'm next year

(26:06):
for you, Cincinnati. Well I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
He's got a big contract. Burrow does now.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
But like, yeah, it's not the worst thing in the
world to keep drafting quarterbacks, like right, I mean, the
Giant should have a plan. It doesn't seem like they do.
Joe Shane, I don't have a ton of confidence, but
once you find something that works, you gotta ride it.
Like you said, TJ. Stroud, that's the guy Bryce Young.
We don't know, although I think I know Bryce Young's
gonna be good this year.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh good boy, you're not.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Feeling that well. It'll be fine, better than Daniel Jones.
A gentleman's wager on that.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
No, I think I think Bryce will do better. I
still think Bryce is good. I have not bailed on Bright.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
He's not c J.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Stroud, but I think he's gonna be a good player.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I really be good.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, can be good. But I everybody sold their stock
last year, and it's like that was the worst receiving
core in the league.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
One of my buddies does a write up and he said,
go look at Jared Goff's first season. How bad he
was awful. He looked like, oh my gosh, he's a
total bust.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
And Bryce Young's got mobility, he had moved.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, get what happened.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Jared Goff got a real no disrespect to Fisher, but
he got McVeigh and it's like, oh my gosh, Jared Goff,
this guy's really good.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
So now Bryce.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Young gets Canalis and let's see what happens to Caroline.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah. Jmack with a news.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I remember a couple of years ago, I had said
that the Pittsburgh Steelers spend their money the wrong way,
too much money on defense, and all the fanboys came out, Colin,
that's because many of our offensive players haven't gotten paid yet.
They're very young. I said that three years ago. Three

(27:43):
years ago, I said that the Steelers just spent forty
five million more dollars on a defensive player. And the
story out of Pittsburgh they have another offensive lineman, Hurt,
who will miss Week one. At this Pointburg's delusional with
this whole offensive and defensive spending. I mean, I'm serious. Here,

(28:08):
here's the most money spent on defense in the NFL
this year. Oh shocker, the Steelers by a mile, by
a mile. You ever had a buddy, he's got a
third watch, he just bought another set of golf clubs
and a third car, and he's complaining his kid isn't

(28:29):
in a good enough school district. Look in the mirror,
how are you spending your money? The Steelers don't spend
any money on offense. Third year in a row, the
Steelers lead the NFL and defensive spending. I mean, you
can keep making excuses, but I'm watching your spending a

(28:53):
third watch you keep doing these things and then complaining.
You know, our offense isn't good enough, you're not spending
money on it. So it'll also be the second time
and two two out of the last three years that
the Steelers are spending the least in the league on offense.
So you know, at this point with Mike Tomlin, you

(29:14):
can keep making excuses in Pittsburgh, but today the story is, oh,
what do you know? And I, by the way, I
like this player. I like this player a lot. But
they signed Cameron Hayward forty five million, three year deal
and he's a good player. But you can't keep complaining
about and defending Tomlin and complaining about the results. I'm

(29:36):
watching your spending. I'm watching what you're spending on. You
didn't need another land Rover. Defense is good enough, your
pass rush is good enough. That's fine. You do that well.
You've been doing that well forever can't get the old
line right. Not productive enough though you're talented enough at
tight end and wide receiver. So it's I'm just looking

(29:57):
at this. Most money spent on defense in the n
by a mile Pittsburgh at one hundred and forty seven million.
Next is the Packers. And by the way, the Packers
do spend on offense, but they truly are the youngest
offense in the league. And they're gonna and they're gonna
pay for all these guys. You know, Jordan loves Contract
will kick in, Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs their offensive line.
Green Bay spends money on offense, so they really are

(30:19):
as they moved off Aaron Rodgers and some other players
uh left tackle, the Green Bay will be out of
this space very very quickly. It's not a surprise. The
least money spent on offense Titans number one. Well, it stinks.
What do you know? You know, you get what you
pay for and if it and because it is a

(30:41):
salary cap league, although you know you can play around
with the money, you don't spend any money on offense.
Pittsburgh and Tennessee. This is why you're a bb gun
defenses are good. Your pass rushes are good. But you know,
here's Mike Comlin this week on the Steelers new look offense.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Where do you see this offense? Do you believe it
has more fire higher than he did in the last
few years.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I'm not interested in making you comfortable today, to be
quite honest with you, those are just words, and really,
at the end of the day is somewhat meaningless. We'll
have an opportunity to put some tape out there this weekend.
That's kind of reflective of that discussion. I'm more of
a door than a talker. Talking glowingly, particularly when you're
undefeated this time of year is easy, and I'm not
attracted to easy.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
He still remains the best sound bite in the history
of the NFL by far, and nobody even close. And
I like Mike, but God, you just keep telling me, well, well,
we're going to spend an offense. When these draft picks
come up for contract and you keep spending money on
the other side, the league is pivoted. And I'll tell
you this. One of the reasons I like the Rams

(31:49):
is last year, second year in a row, the Rams
in the top of the draft, all defensive guys, so
don't have to pay him. They're spending money on Cooper
Cup and Matt Stafford and note Boom to tackle and
Havenstein the tackle right and eventually Puka Naku is gonna

(32:11):
get his bag. But if you look, Tyler Higby, the
tight end makes good money. So the Rams, they're spending
money on offense and drafting top draft picks on defense,
so they keep the defense cheap. This is what the
Kansas City Chiefs have been doing. The Chiefs have been
brilliant at this. They're gonna pay Travis Kelsey, They're gonna
pay Mahomes, they pay Joe Tooney, they paid for offensive tackles.

(32:33):
Kansas City gonna spend some money. They'll spend it on
Chris Jones, but mostly they moved off Snead the great corner.
They'll just keep drafting and keep that defense young and fresh.
Keep the defense young, cheap and fresh. With the exception
of a Max Crosby, a Chris Jones and Aaron Donald
in his prime. You got a great front four guy,

(32:54):
you pay him. You can motor through linebackers and safeties
and most corners. How many lockdown corners we have in
the league last year Sauce Gardner, Patrick's Artan. Are they
winning games for teams now? Pass rushers can win games,
Dominant defensive linemen can win Super Bowls. But in the end,
you know, the Steelers just spent too much money on

(33:14):
the wrong side of the wrong side of the ball.

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Speaker 1 (34:06):
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us in one hour. Joel Klatt top of next hour.
So the forty nine ers and this is not a
small thing. Saved sixteen million dollars by restructuring Debo Samuel's contract.

(34:27):
What does that mean. It means they converted his base
salary into a signing bonus, and Jed York wrote a
twenty one million dollar check. Not all owners would do this.
I don't want to hear about your team has no
cap space. Okay, you can as many times as you
want convert salary into signing bonuses. These are all billionaires.

(34:50):
And also, while you're at it, pay for your own stadiums.
Stan Kronk had a two point five billion and that's minimum.
Some say it's more two points five billion dollar cost
overrun on sofar he kept saying make it better. He
kept paying the bills. And you know what, didn't ask
taxpayers to pay that two point five billion. He did

(35:11):
it himself. He's a billionaire. I think he's America's largest
residential and perhaps commercial real estate owner. He got plenty
of money, and owners convert more of the base salaries
into signing bonuses. You're all billionaires. I don't want to
hear about it yet. You ever noticed this, fans I
think believe that because of the salary cap. It's just even. No,

(35:34):
it's not. There's a reason the Raiders in Arizona are
perpetually lousy upstairs. It's the billionaires, not the players. We
blame the players and we fire the coaches. It's the owners.
And there's a reason the Rams and the Eagles in
the Niners, with very aggressive and progressive and wealthy owners

(35:54):
are always good. They do this. Do you ever think
about that? Think about how many It's insane, how many
great players. The Niners have nine Pro bowlers. They're paying
all of them. McCaffrey, I you Kittle, Trent, Boso, Warner,
these guys making thirty twenty seven, eighteen, Well they're not
paying brock Perty. Well, Carolina's not paying Bryce Young where

(36:17):
they're great players. A lot of teams not pay where
are they're great players. I'm seeing Houston not paying c J. Stroud,
go by Stefon Diggs and Joe Mixon. I'm seeing what
Houston's doing. Houston, Demico, Ryans, Nick Cassario, really sharp dudes.
I'm seeing what they're doing. They're going buying good players,
They're buying productive dudes. Laromy Tunzel's getting many, Davon Day's

(36:41):
getting money, Joe Mixon getting money. They're paying their dudes. CJ.
Stroud not getting paid yet. So you look around this
league and you look at a lot of these young quarterbacks.
Where are the dudes? Where the dudes in New England?
Who they paying? They're paying nobody. So you know, I
a San Francisco and people say, well, once they pay Rock,
they'll convert more of the contracts. Now, I do think

(37:03):
they'll probably move off one of their two excellent linebackers.
They may move off of safety or a corner, you know,
a right guard. I'm not saying you don't have to
move some of the pieces. I'm not saying it's easy,
but you know, pay for your own stadiums. Convert this
stuff into signing bonuses. Now, David Tepper has all sorts

(37:23):
of money in Carolina, but he's too impulsive and doesn't
know how to spend it. So that culture down there
in Carolina, hopefully it gets fixed right now it's broken.
But and you know what's interesting about this is Green Bay?
Say what about Green Bay? Well, Green Bay proves because
they're always good that unless you have a great owner,
and there's about eight of them, you're better off. Not
having an owner doesn't get in the way. My take

(37:45):
is there's eight to nine great owners and then a
lot of them just getting away. Green Bay's like, hey,
we don't have a great one, but we don't have
a bad one, and we can function at a very
high level. Mark Murphy's one of the smartest guys in
the league. What in their organization. So but San Francisco's
lineup Philadelphia is the same thing. You ever look at
how many great players Philadelphia has. I mean, you could build, literally,

(38:08):
if you took the Eagles and the Niners and just
said we're gonna build a Pro Bowl team off those
two teams, you could play with anybody in the league. Now,
you may not beat the team that has Mahomes at quarterback,
but you could play with anybody in the league off
two rosters. Why smart owners, aggressive owners, willing to write checks,
willing to convert base salary into siding bonuses. I want

(38:29):
to hear about it's a little tight on the cap.
Some of these organizations historically have been cheap paying coaches,
which is crazy if you got the quarterback and coach
right in the league. I mean that was one of
the great signs about Denver when they got the new owners.
They're like ponied up the dough for a coach. A
lot of these organizations for years wouldn't spend money on
a coach, Like, what are you doing? Coach? Quarterback is

(38:52):
sixteen to seventy percent of the league. All right, Joe
Klatz around the corner. Tom Brady was on the show yesterday.
Things are going on. Well, do you see the legal
gambling on NFL games this year legal gambling. We'll reach
thirty five billion.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Dollars thirty five million, oh bill b b.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Okay, So all the the do goods and the precious
people out there, it's over. You're not You lost. It's
like being anti sports. Gambling is like being anti gay
marriage or anti cannabis.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
You lost.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
You look silly. Stop fighting it. The league wants it.
The players have a rev share, they get paid, everybody
getting paid on it. It's over the cannabis, the anti
cannabis crowd. You lost, gay marriage, it's here, it's not
going backwards. Get over it. Gambling, do Goods, stop being precious.
Some of you in the sports media, well, well, we

(39:47):
don't ban bagels because of obesity, we don't ban tequila
because of alcoholism, and we don't ban maseraties because of
car accidents. At some point we all have to be
responsible for our decisions and choices. People can get hurt.
The The average sports wager in this country is four dollars.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
You just got to hope all those gamblers are listening
to the right people. You know well or or there
are a lot of people out there, no idea what
their well or.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
They're just it's it's I like gambling on football. I
think it's fun. It makes the games more fun, and
ratings indicate people are willing to watch blowouts longer. That's indisputable.
Everybody's oh ah, the stigma. There's no sting of sports gambling.
It's here, it's in Europe, it's here. You can bet it.
Pretty soon, you'll bet it in the stadiums. People have
to be responsible for their choices, what they eat, what

(40:33):
they drive, how they live. I don't bungee jump, you
knock yourself out and go for hour two.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
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