September 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin reacts to the Chiefs pulling off a comeback win over the Bengals and why Kansas City is starting to look like the Patriots dynasty with Tom Brady
Thoughts on Caleb Williams so far this season
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Monday live in Los Angeles.
It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
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Yesterday was one of the wilder, especially the early windows,
one of the wilder Sundays that I can remember. The
league sometimes just doesn't make any sense. The teams we
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thought would be zero and to or two and o.
The two and o's are owing to. It's why the
sport is so great. Steelers are on top, Ravens Bengals
in the cellar. What else happened? I Jmack one hour
from now? Where Colin was right? Where Colin was wrong?
I We'll get to Caleb Williams in five minutes. All
these rookie quarterbacks are just bayling Water, just trying to survive.
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But Kansas City does what Kansas City does better over that.
I mean, it's like the Patriots handed the baton to
Kansas City on how to win games late against rivals.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh, lucky Chiefs, once again, here we are two and zero.
Lucky Kansas. That's the only way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Colle Yes, that's what they said for twenty years on
New England. Just lucky New England. They have officially had
the Chiefs become the New England Patriots dynasty. They just
figure out way to win games. You're not sure they
have the better roster, they make mistakes, their star quarterback
will throw an ugly pick, and in the end they
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never beat themselves late. That's just like Brady and New
England high leverage moments. You got an A plus coach,
the best in the game. Belichick wasn't his prime, and
so is Andy Reid, a quarterback best in the league
in his prime. A plus special teams in kicker defense
always makes a play. But it's the situational stuff that
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Cincinnati bad pass interference called Jamar Chase blowing a gasket.
That's not what the Chiefs do. I mean, Brady would
throw pick sixes in the Super Bowl and Mahomes had
He's had multiple ugly picks this season, but it's that
pass interference penalty from a young defensive back. It's losing
your cool. And that's what Kansas that he doesn't do.
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They're the old boat captain the season Mariner, able to
sort of navigate choppy seas and you know, high leverage
late game. I just never worry about it the scores,
like do they need one score? How much time do
I have left? Now? The Bengals at zero and two
are still a good team. They're gonna get better because
te Higgins is coming back, Burton the young receiver, get better.
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I think Cincinnati's really good. Not all of these oh
and two teams. Rams may be in trouble. I don't
think the Bengals are in trump. If they met Kansas
City in the playoffs, I would not be shocked, But
I know who I would take.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
To win.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Kansas City. And the scariest part for everybody like j
Mack that thinks, well, there's a very lucky team. Em
luck comes to the prepared is that they're no longer
highly dependent on Mahomes. It's the defense winning these games.
I mean, Mahomes had his lowest career passing yards in
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a game one hundred and fifty one, he had two picks.
He's thrown three bad picks this year. He's had other
picks that were dropped or or should have been picks.
Kansas City's offense, by the way, completely dried up in
the fourth quarter. There was just nothing left. There was
nothing to it. I mean, Travis Kelcey, outside of one
big play, it was invisible. It's like the old Gronk.
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He was great when you needed him in January and February,
but Gronk, because he got older, wasn't always there. So
this is a crazy league. You got McVeigh oh to
two and Lamar Jackson zero to two, and Pittsburgh can't
move the ball much and they're two to zero. But
here is one thing in this nutty league that's become
incredibly predictable. When the Kansas City Chiefs play one of
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their big rivals wherever it is, they'll be the better team. Late,
they'll be the better situational football team. This league is
so close. I mean, Darnold takes apart the Niners yesterday.
You don't know what you're getting in this league. We
thought New England was the worst team well, no want to, oh,
heading against Seattle, and they gave Seattle trouble. Here's Mahomes
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after a very choppy performance. But nonetheless, like always with
Kansas City, a.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
W, I thought we did a lot of good things. Obviously,
the three turnovers just can't happen. The first interception, I
gotta find the backside linebacker, and I mean the kid
made a great play on the second pick. But I'm
glad we played as clean as we wanted to and
still found a way to win. The speech to the
defense and the full entire team, but obviously we got
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clean up a lot of stuff on offense.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To just figure out ways to stay close and win.
Persevere situational football rules this league. That's how all these
playoff games end, right. You don't get very many blowouts
in the playoffs. They all looked like yesterday. Harrison Budker,
big field goal, Travis Kelsey won big catch, Cincinnati makes
a mistake, Cincinnati fill in the blank, could have been Baltimore,
could have been Buffalo, could have been Miami. That's just
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the way these games worked out. Now, let's talk Caleb Williams.
It felt like one on eleven. Caleb Williams against the
Houston Texans incredibly ferocious and hard hitting defense. So Keenan
Allen out probably a second best receiver, roma Dunzee's got
a bad knee. The Bears offensive line was pitiful, and
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Caleb Williams was either getting sacked or about to get
sacked and escape. I mean, a lot of welcome to
the NFL moments. Now. All three rookie quarterbacks are bailing water.
None of them look good. They're all struggling. The rookie quarterbacks,
all of them combined, the ones playing no touchdown passes
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through two weeks combined. But Caleb is taking the worst
beating and he's finding out why Chicago struggles developing quarterbacks.
I mean, I saw this yesterday. So Malik Willis, who
was unplayable in Tennessee as a quarterback, goes to Green
Bay and they know how to do quarterbacks right, and
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Malik Willis, I'm like that, dude. Can play Jordan Love
keep getting healed. We'll play Malik Willis. And that's the
younger stroster in the league. Green Bay knows what they're
doing with quarterbacks. Laflor, no crazy owner, no impulsive general
manager like Green Bay just does quarterbacks. Well, And this
was always my concern with Chicago. Caleb Williams a great talent.
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Chicago didn't know what they're with quarterbacks. They have no
semblance of a run game. I thought the offensive line
at the end of last year looked pretty good. Brutal
Caleb Williams was pressured listen to this on thirty six
of forty eight dropbacks. He doesn't need a Superman cape.
He needs a bullfighter's cape. He's gonna get Gord out here.
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He's just trying to survive. It's brutal. And I can
hammer Caleb. I can hammer Bo Nicks, I could hammer
Jayden Daniels. It's a hard league, and they're all just,
you know, grabbing life preservers, trying to survive here. But
I mean, he's their leading rusher yesterday. But this is
what I worried about. Defensive coach, defensive culture. I mean,
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you cross your fingers that Shane Walden knows what he's doing.
But I'm the offensive line has regressed badly. And here's
the other thing. What is their offense in four opportunities,
two starts of the game and two starts in the
second half. Those are your big drives, right you're opening
drive of the game, opening drive adjustment, second half four drives,
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three of them a punt. I mean, what are they offensively?
And again, it's a rookie quarterback. You're not gonna use
as much motion. It's gonna be a bit more remedial.
I totally get that. I mean, you're just trying to
figure things out. But the old line's worse than last year,
the run game nonexistent. So what are they offensively? What
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is their philosophy offensively? What are they trying to do offensively?
Malik Willis was bad last year in Tennessee, unplayable. I
watched him, and by the way, Malik Willis is sort
of didn't he get put on the Packers around like
the fifty three man roster time he got put in late.
He was inserted late to green Bay. That looks good
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to me. That's just what Green Bay does with quarterbacks.
But the only NFL team averaging under three yards per
play is the Chicago Bears. What a thin motion, rum
medial rookie quarterback. Now, does Caleb absolutely need to get better? Yes,
he will. I don't worry about him. It'd be nice
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if Roma Dunza didn't have a banged up k me.
It would be better if Keenan Allen was playing. I
think that one matters a lot. But once again, this
was my concern. Caleb's gonna be fine, Jade and Daniels
bow Nicks. I think Panix is gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
J J.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
McCarthy crossed her fingers on healing. But I mean, right
now they are worse offensively is Chicago than Carolina? And
we know Caleb's better than Bryce Young. Here's Caleb after.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Execute the way we needed to, and uh, you know,
we're gonna keep getting better. Everything's about the responses. You know,
it's week two. It's with the guys there. Obviously him,
you know, a young guy. But I understand this a
long season. I'm understanding that it's week two, understanding that
we're gonna respond and you know, just get better every day.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Forty eight dropbacks, thirty six pressures. Like all you have
to do is watch a Sam Donald in Minnesota with
Kevin O'Connell. Some people get offense, some franchises don't, and
they don't forever. The Jets forever don't get offense. Minnesota
Dante Culpepper, Kirk Cousins, now Sam Donald last year, four
or five quarterbacks. Minnesota seems to figure it out offensively.
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Green Bay always figures it out offensively. Chicago, you know
what this looks like justin fields? And I think Caleb's
much better than justin fields. I think that, and I
still think that six weeks checked back with me, so
j Mac, I wanted to save some Jets talk. Oh
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also I wanted to save the cowboy talk. That was
fairly predictable. Well not that's not the outcome of the game.
But the lack of grit by Dallas never shocks me.
I mean, if you get a good punch on Dallas
in the first round, they might as well just you know,
call it a fight.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Didn't that look like the Packer playoff game?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It looked exactly like just like they can't get anything.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was amazing about that? How many times? And let's
just get the Saints credit. I mean, they've got a
new offic coordinator, a lot of speed deep, but how
many times did the Saints score touchdowns? Standing up like
I just walked in. I mean a screen pass, you've
got to break a tackle or three, or you can't
have a sixty seventy yard screen pass and not get
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touched like, that's just a breakdown. It's not eight man
football here. We're watching like at some point you're like,
where are the cowboy defenders?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
By the way, did you get a Derek Carr MVP
ticket in the offseason when you went to Vegas?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I think you have that a fife thousand to one here,
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Basically, you're right, it's toss up and runner up.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
As Sam Darnold. That's where we are, Tod.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
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Speaker 1 (11:54):
All right, welcome back. Forty year old Aaron Rodgers said
first Jet win was a lot long time coming. I'll
I'll just say the game should not have been that close.
Will Levis and I've never seen this Will Levis year
two young quarterback. His coach appears to.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Not only be dis.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He doesn't like him personally. He said after week one
we should just punt. Yesterday He's like, what in the
blank are you doing? He didn't like him. It's almost
like the Will Levis criticism, the narcissism is rubbing the
coach the wrong way, but that game should not have
been that close. If you're a Jets fan, two things
you have to be honest about, because there are good
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losses in this league. Cincinnati lost a good loss. Ad
Arrowhead goes down to the end of the game and
they're bad wins. As a bad win, two things got
to be honest about. Aaron Rodgers is no longer an
elite athlete or a mobile quarterback, which is a big disadvantage.
In twenty twenty four, he didn't move. He stays with
a three to four foot radius. He can't and will
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not extend plays. He is an old quarterback that doesn't move.
I said it last week. He's now closer to Goff
and Kirk Cousins than he is Kyler Murray. That's what
Aaron is. He is an immobile, expensive older quarterback with
a pretty ball. The second thing is this is an
incredibly simplistic offense near the bottom in the NFL in motion.
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Two years under Nat Hackett, they're a bottom five team
in creativity. They don't run any motion, and all the
well coached offensive teams San Francisco, Green Bay, Detroit, Miami
Casey run a ton of motion in different sets. Their
offense is remedial. It looks like nineteen ninety seven. There's
almost no motion. Now they're defense, and this is a
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real problem, is falling apart. So CJ. Moseley, Jermaine Johnson.
Now now Hassan Reddick, you would think Woody Johnson, the owner,
the owners would just write a check and get Hassan
Reddick back because now your defense is falling apart. So
bringing Aaron Rodgers to New York was viewed as saving
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the offense. No, it's not gonna lose you games. But
it's not saving anything. They cleared a bar which was
limbo low. Last year they were thirty first in yards
per play. This year they're nineteenth. This is not an
offense that can win by a shootout. It's not. It's
very limited. One of the worst o seasonal sport. No motion,
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old quarterback, expensive and not mobile. That's what you are.
You're a sprained ankle from Brese Hall to being a
bottom five offense. There's nothing to it here. It can't
fool anybody. And now you got an injury bug on
the defensive side. So you know, Aaron Rodgers, I've said this,
he seeks comfort. He wanted comfortable, and so he brought
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in that Hackett now on Lazard, but that's like going
into business with your high school buddies. At some point
you got to go out of the building and get
superstar players. Think about this, the first three possessions. This
is with Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson, Brice Hall, and the
old Line's okay, their first three possessions, those are the
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scripted plays with Aaron Rodgers. The scripted plays, first three
possessions four yards in a punt, seven yards in a punt,
four yards in a punt. Go look at Minnesota, Kevin O'Connell,
Sam Darnold, go look at their first three or four possessions.
Usually the you know, usually usually the way it works
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is you pick up at least some yards, you win
the field position game three first downs, you get it
to midfield ish, and then you pun them deep and
you start. If you don't score, you kind of get
some field position. I mean, maybe Tennessee's defense is that good.
I don't know, but they have an offensive coach, and
I don't see growth for the Jets offense. Why because
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growth comes with innovation, and this is not an innovative offense.
So I mean the Saints basically have the same thing.
An older quarterback, one star running back, one star receiver,
good old line, not special, and they're they're they got
what were they yesterday in the first half? Twelve yards
of play? I mean the Saints are scoring, standing up.
Saints are they have a new offensive coordinator. If you
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watch the Saints, all sorts of movement, different sets, different
movement making the defense think. So you can say what
you want about the Jets, you got to be honest
here forget the defensive injuries. This offense is just whatever's
below vanilla. That's what it is. They're I just here's
Aaron on getting his first w.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, it feels great, feels great, been a long time coming.
These are kind of the games you look back on
late in the season you're thankful that you won these
because if you want to be a great team, we
got to win in these type of environments against against
teams like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That, teams like that, I mean Titans rowing two and
without being too personal, I think Will Levis may have
the worst decision making gene in the league at quarterback.
His coach isn't dissatisfied, appears to resent him, and this
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puppy went down to the end, they had a chance
to tie that puppy up time. As your honesty broker,
as America's honesty broker, you gotta be honest Jets about
what you have. A defense falling apart physically and a
nineteen eighty four offense.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
J Mack with a news no, no, no, turned on
the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Let's not forget Titans should have beat the Bears in
Week one. It was like seventeen three and they were
up seven to nothing on the Jets going in for
fourteen nothing when Will Levis kind.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Of that's what I'm saying this game. If you didn't
watch the game, you're like, Jets won by a touchdown.
I'm sitting there multiple times watching it, going what is
going on? And you got to come out of the game.
You can't be four yards in punt, seven yards punt,
four yards punt. Well the first drive of the game.
Now again, it's one thing if your facing the Niners.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well Monday night hangover, you know, and then you got
to go back on the road. So a little excuse
a lot of penalties. But I don't know if we
can show the clip with cat when after Levis turned
it over Callahan, the coach looks at him, Oh, pulls
down his headphones and says, what the bleep are you doing?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like, I mean, it's very clear they are I would
not be shocked if they benched him.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
He actually, I mean he made vast Gardner look bad
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Maybe it was more Ridley, but.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Uh, Saftgardner had a bad game. He's off to a
rough start.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Jets defense nothing right home about, but also struggling in
the Niners Colin they lose for the first time this season. Listen,
Minnesota kind of boxed them in and uh, despite having
one of the best rosters in football, a lot of
errors and sloppy against the Vikings, brock Purdy knows the
team didn't execute like they're capable of.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
It's as simple as executing. We got the players, we
got this geme, we got what it takes. And you know,
it's it's dropping back and executing, knowing where my answers
are at and getting the balls into the guy's hands
and drop stepping and getting first downs and it's uh,
it's all that. It's football, man, just because you got
you know, really good players and good scheme doesn't mean
the other team's gonna give it to You have to
go out and earn it. So we've had to learn that,
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you know, the first two games the season. So hopefully
we can be better next week.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Or maybe it was Sam and Donald. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Any thoughts on Brandon are you slow start to the
season you want to you care to chime in on that?
I mean he's been you can't get open, can't catch
the ball. Well, go ahead, say something, say something me.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know I said before the idea that he wasted
you know, six seven weeks a camp, like he was
going to get a better situation than the forty nine ers,
this offense, this coach. Yeah, go play in Carolina, go
play in New England. See how much fun it is.
I mean, I you waste, you wasted. Forget wasting the
team's time, You wasted your time. I don't get it.
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The whole holdout. Think he had a year left his contract.
Can you imagine in any other business if you had
a year left on your contract and you're demanding this
this this you've earned this slow start, that's on you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But Christian McCaffrey, this is like a real thing. Now
you got Ian Rappibore coming out saying it could be
six weeks. Shanahan's like, we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I will say in a strange way, that's a double
dose of good news. One, McCaffrey will be fine. He's
coming up back to back, huge heavy usage year. And secondly,
it gives their backup plenty of reps. I've said before,
this is a Super Bowl or bust super Bowl winner
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bust team like Kansas City. Having McCaffrey not have to
play until like last week of October is not the
worst thing in the world because they become even with
all their players, they become incredibly Christian McCaffrey reliant. When
he's there, it's almost like he's an automatic six yards.
So just give him the ball and it's nothing against Shanahan.
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But the true is this may be the way for
McCaffrey's last several years in the league to play him.
Just get him ready by October, because all of Shanahan's
backs end up flourishing, all of them do. His dad
was the same way.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
It's a weird thing with the Chiefs and Niners. It's like, oh,
they lost, they don't look good.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Who cares they're going to be in the playoffs all
the matters his health. We should probably say something nice
about Brian Flores and his defense and what they've done
in Minnesota for the.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
First two Well, I think we both believed he was
a really good football coach. Yeah, he had a two issue,
but if you go back to the Miami year where
he was a head coach. By week eight of his
rookie year coaching, they had an identity on special teams.
In defense, Brian Flores is excellent. Yeah, everybody's always talking
about who deserves the second chance, if Todd Bowles gets
a second chance, and I think Todd's very capable Brian Flores.
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But Todd's more likable, and you know, Todd's more laid back,
Like everybody likes Todd Bowles. You know, Brian Flores can
be polarizing. Yeah, but Brian Flores can coach period.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Well, it's coach defense. We don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Final note, you saw the schedule on the screen there
Niners at so far this weekend against the ramsay, I
can't believe it only open seven and a half.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
First bet I made this week.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh sham for chap up and Cooper out. I don't
know how the Rams and the Niners basically got pushed
around the field and humiliated. Niners will win that game,
that thing whatever they want to win.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, just by the way, Kyler Murray looked incredible against
the Rams. What do you think Perdy's gonna an awful loss?
I mean, it's a bad spot for your Rams. Well,
I'm sure we'll get to the Rams eventually. Maybe we'll
find time to syrup or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You have got to take.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Next up, boy, Colin, I've never been out of Survivor
this early before.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
The Baltimore Ravens choke away a fourth quarter league.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They're up by ten with twelve minutes left and just
gag could not get a sun.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
To say this for the Raiders, though that team has fight. Well,
come on now, I think this is more about the Ravens.
They're now zero to two for the first time in
nine years. Last time they went on in two did
not make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I believe Baltimore, I mean, and Lamar nobody was good
on Baltimore. I'm sorry, Harbaugh, not even great. Yeah, yeah,
Lamar knows they got to figure things out fast.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
We gotta find fine Mojoo. You know, we gotta find
and do what we do because that's that's not us
at all. She's gotta find a way to win. Like
you said, and I used to be on too. You
just gotta catch all, catch all momentum and get a
starter right away.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So we talked about the loss of McDonald, the defensive
coordinator who's in Seattle, Colin, I don't know. They could
not stop Brock Bowers, Davante Addams, Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Brock Powers is lining up outside and beating corners. The
problem Rock Powers is, you know, Kyle Pitts, we thought
was gonna be something. Brock Powers already they line them
up outside and can beat corners.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But to Baltimore's defense, how do you let Gardner Minshew
complete eighty three percent of his pat What Gardner Minshew?
And now they've got the Justin Tucker kicker situation. Every
kicker is banging fifty yarders like it's nothing. Tucker misses
from fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Record what happened in this league? It's like a layup drill.
Guys are hitting fifty four yarders and the ball is
three quarters up the net. Very weird. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Wait, till we get to the passing numbers. The passing
touchdowns through two weeks are like half of.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
What they've normally been.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's weird league. I am curious. Can the Ravens turn
it around?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
If we have the schedule on the screen, I feel
better about I know Dallas this week. That's basically a
pick them. I think their favorite by one and look
at that after that Buffalo Cincinnati. One of my calls
this offseason was a massive regression from the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You're right, this ain'tan this is not a playoffs. No,
you're right. It's funny. Rams Owing two are in trouble
because they have their whole offenses on the IR. I
mean it's a mess. Pooka offensive lineman. They get their
left tackle yesterday they didn't have a left tackle in
the building. So and the Ravens Owing two, the defense
is regressed and the on line is not good. Cincinnati
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owing to I don't know. I watched them yesterday. They're big,
they're the tight ends are a problem for Kansas City
coming back. Yeah, they're gonna and Burton's gonna get better
since now he's okay.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
This game against Dallas next week that I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Know if let me, let's get the line. Can I
guess why?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
I think I just said it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh, you did Ravens by one, their favored by one,
Dallas coming off a big loss.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, Dallas off a humiliating loss.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, you don't think this is humiliating to the Ravens
up by ten on those sad sack Raiders.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Come on, that is I don't know that that's a
tough game. I don't think it's gonna make.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The Blazing five.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I mean you go against Lamar. We gotta talk a
little cowboys later in the show.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Final story is Monday night Football Tonight, Eagles against the
Falcons in Philly. However, news over the weekend AJ Brown
hamstring injury. He's gonna miss the game. It'll be the
first regular season game he's missed since joining Philly in
twenty twenty two. Played in thirty seven straight regular season games.
The line has dipped down to five and a half.
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Still a lot of uncertainty around Kirk Cousins and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
They don't know if he he Basically, he and Aaron
Rodgers don't leave the pocket. Well they can't leave the
I mean you hike it to him, he steps and throws.
There's real limitation. I think Atlanta's going to play much better. Listen,
Pittsburgh's defense in the first two weeks has discombobulated some
pretty talented offenses. We just discombobulated Atlanta and Denver, so
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some of it could be. This Philly defense is not
even close to Pittsburgh. I think Atlanta's going to show
well tonight. I don't have it. I'm not betting it,
but I would take Atlanta. I know I'm in the
minority here. I if Kirk Cousins can't move it all,
I think I think Pittsburgh scared him a little bit.
I think this defense tonight he'll face I think Atlanta
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is going to show well tonight.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Their grimetime underdogs this week, I know they both covered
Bill's win outright and underdog talk.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
About had a very very good weekend underdog for break.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, Packers, So underdogs did well, but you had the Packers.
I did have the crowns, but you know I didn't
have all of them, and not a great week for
your boy.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So it's Week two and Dallas is already Dallas. It
felt like that Green Bay game in the playoffs. I mean,
a very young, smart offensive coach happens to be the
Saints new coordinator, Clint Kobiak took the Cowboys to the woodshed.
It honestly, it felt like a Southern California seven on
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seven drill. They kept scoring, standing up. Were they wearing
the red jerseys? Don't tackle them? It was brutal. So
Number one, let's give the Saints credit. They've got a
new offensive coordinator and they got speed deep, they got
a great running back. They're given Derek Carr protection. This
is a Saints win, not just the Cowboy lost. They
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averaged twelve yards of play in the first half, and
I mean guys going standing up out of bounds and
standing up into the end zone. The number two thing
is no NFL team falls in love with itself after
a big win like Dallas. And maybe it's the city
a lot of sequins, big hair, Dallas loves Dallas. That's
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okay to healthy ego. Economy's always great, but nobody falls
in love with themselves like Dallas. I mean, they've branded themselves,
they've branded themselves as in this counts all sports in
America as America's glamour team. But all that glamour, to me,
feels like a lack of grit. If you hit him
on the chin in the first round, it's over. And
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I've got Nick Saban at Alabama. Remember what he used
to call hype marketing and glamour. Do you remember that
he called it rat poison. He goes all these you know,
you're on the cover of this magazine. That stuff is
rat poison. It just brings you down. And that's what
I feel about Dallas. I mean, think about this in
just recent memory. Go back to Week fifteen last year
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against Buffalo. Remember that game they trailed thirty one to three.
Dallas trailed Buffalo thirty. They trailed Green Bay twenty seven
to nothing, and yesterday they trailed thirty five to thirteen.
That's like what happens to Carolina. I mean, they get
blown out. They are a boxer that you hit them early.
They're the opposite of Kansas City. You could knock Kansas
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City down in the first round, second and third, and
somehow they'll get up and they'll win a decision in
the tenth. Nobody fights when they don't have their best
night or afternoon. Like Kansas City, they just fight and
fight and fight and figure out a way to win
a decision. Dallas folds. They got no grit. I mean, listen,
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in the last seven games for Dallas, forget the back,
they're three and four. They have lost by twenty one,
sixteen and twenty five two at home. I mean that's Carolina.
I mean that's how Carolina loses. So they are the
antithesis of the Chiefs, the best operation in football right now.
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So yeah, and they love to pay their stars. I
always feel like, even with Mahomes, you're getting a little
bit of a bargain. It is a little team friendly.
Dak top paid guy in the league, and that that's
what I see.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Here.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Here was Dak after the is it shocking blowout loss
last week?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You guys are riding the high in Cleveland and then
I have today.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Is this just the way the league goes?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:22):
I missed the NFL. I'll talk about each and every week.
No games are played on paper. As far as riding
a high, I don't, I know, I wasn't personally. I
don't think the guys in the locker room necessarily were.
I mean, I talked about how much meat we left
on the bone offensively, and that's that's simply why you
can't listen to it, to other people's opinions and read
with you guys, you guys right respectfully. I mean, yeah,
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you know, Yell may have put put put it, put
this team on a high more more than we should
have been, and now we just simply have got to reset.
We've got to respond.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I mean up down, up down. Great win, embarrassing loss.
It's week two. We've already figured him out. This is
Dallas again in week two, and that game is Baltimore. Generally,
if you're humiliated, I mean a lobsided score, you play
really really well the next week, unless you're like Carolina
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and you're just awful. But you would think Dallas would
play inspired football. If I had to, I'd probably take Dallas.
But there are some consistent things in this league.
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Speaker 1 (32:52):
How about if Malik Willis plays again for green Bay
and faces Will Levis, so Tennessee bails on him, he
goes to green Bay, gets great offense of coaching. That's
what green Bay does, goes back and beats Will Levis,
who is coach. Can't stand Yeah, Malik Willis revenge game.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
That's a real thing this week.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, I bet. I mean green Bay is going to
be fine. The coaching, the structure, the players. You know,
a quarterback actually winning that game. It's pretty impressive for
green Bay. Gotta be honest, pretty impressive. In short, a
quarterback around the fifty three man roster cuts and all
of a sudden, you go beat an Indianapolis team that
gave the Texans everything they could handle. We thought you
thought it was gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, listen the Colts defense, they showed up and They're like,
we're just going to play our cover three zone and
the Packers room for two hundred and.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Sixty four yards in the first half. They just sat back.
It was crazy. I don't know, Colts, they got some problems.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, we may have
to revisit the twenty eighteen quarterback class because they're both
crushing it. And I don't know how this turns out.
You know, I love Sam. I don't know how it
turns out. But let's be clear. He ate San Francisco's
defense for lunch without his number one tight end, without
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his number two receiver, and then his number one receiver,
Justin Jefferson got hurt. So you saw all of Sam's
best trades. He's an athlete. He's a big, strong athlete.
He's tough, He'll take a shot, he's got a big arm.
He's willing to take big swings and throw the ball
down the field. He had a pick, but Fred Warner
makes that pick. I doubt any other linebacker in the
league makes that pick. And so again, what does it prove,
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How will it turn out? I don't know. It does
prove that young people need help. Everybody needs help. Nobody
does it on an island. Even Mahomes hasn't played particularly
great football. You need help. Ninety five percent of the
quarterbacks in this league are just not gifted enough to
overcome nonsense. And you know, in New York and in Carolina,
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nothing but nonsense. Sam's not that talented. Then he goes
to San Francisco and the coaches reportedly loved him. Kevin
O'Connell calls Kyle Shanahan. Kyle's like, we loved him. If
it wasn't for pretty, we'd start him. And then he
goes to Minnesota again with a competent franchise, a great
offensive coach. He is crushing it. So, you know, playing
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quarterback in the NFL is like quantum mechanics. People have
no idea what it is or what it takes. You
just don't know until you've done it. And almost none
of us could do it, and I mean almost none
of it. But what you do need is a really
good professor to teach you how to do it, unless
you're like a genius, and they're not many of those,
or unless you're you know, John Elway, and they're not
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many of those. But what I saw yesterday was a
quarterback that just was desperate for competency from an organization
and the Jets and Panthers could not deliver that. And
then a sharp offensive coach who can elevate sam straints
and then hide his weaknesses. He can be a bit impulsive.
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There are times he can be well Carson Wentz. He
can be a little reckless. He can run into trouble,
throw ugly picks in the red zone. Now, yesterday was
just Fred Warner being Fred Warner. But here's Kevin O'Connell
on Donald's big game. That is big time quarterback play. Sure,
all those folks out there that want some examples of it,
I think we got two weeks of some pretty tangible
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examples of some quarterback play from Zam Donald.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
I'm really proud of them.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, it was really good. So here's week three. Remember
we looked at the schedule for Minnesota and we're like, well,
middle and in they got a shot. And I had said,
I don't know where you had them, j McK but
I had said if they finished fourth, this is the
greatest offensive group that has ever finished in fourth place
in the National Football League. They're missing pieces and lighting
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up the Niners I mean, I have their number one
tied end, their number two receiver, and Justin Jefferson got hurt.
So congrats to Minnesota. That schedule does not get much
easier for the Vikings. But if you look at the
week three schedule Thursday, by the way, I saw the
Jets Patriot line. I like the Jets on that line.
I think New England's fooling people a little bit.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Six and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yes, now is up six and a half. Yeah, okay,
that's a stayaway then okay, But as you look at
it now, Minnesota my favorite number of the week. Houston
goes to Minnesota. So Minnesota is off a San Francisco
game where you get beat up physically and Houston did
not play well, but one where you can really coach him.
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I think Houston goes up to Minnesota and plays Finally,
they're young and they make mistakes. I think Houston beats
Minnesota a little bit of a comeback to Earth moment.
But I will say this again. I know, I know
you wanted to prove me wrong on Sam Donald. But
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what's interesting Gino Smith, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield and Sam
Donald are not busts. And there was a time we
thought all of them were done and they I mean
right now, if you did MVP voting, Derek Carr lead
Darnold would be two.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
I mean, seriously, Kyler Murray has to be in the discussion.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Kyler was Kyler Murray yesterday may have played the best
game by an NFL player all season.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Did you see Arizona versus Detroit this week? I don't
think we can discount the Cardinals at this point. They
opened with a seventeen to three lead against the in
the open. I guess Buffalo and looked, and then yesterday
it was like twenty four to three and a heartbeat
against the Rams. Detroit does not look crisp. And I
have like a Ben Johnson's taket to pro No.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
You had a very interesting take on this, and I
think you were right. There is an old saying you
strike in your career, you strike when the iron's hot.
So Ben Johnson was the hot coordinator on the market.
Now Hardball was the hot head coach in the market.
But he was the hot offensive coordinator guy at Houston.
But he's only been there a year and Ben Johnson
and Ben Johnson alienated some people. Remember he called a
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team flying to the I think was it Washington, Yeah,
like m flying somewhere. He called the mid flight. I
don't want the job, and they were flying him on
a private jet. So now you look at them and
I don't know what it is. The second half against
the Rams, they got dominated and they did not look.
First of all, golf was just off. Their thing is
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they asked golf to throw fifty five times. You're a
power run team, you have the best offensive line in football. Golf,
even though he's good, should be a complimentary player. He
should manage the game. They're throwing the ball way too much.
And Ben Johnson, you start looking at now from the
hottest coordinator to that's wrong with Detroit's offense.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
They lost their identity against the Rams. Remember they didn't
run Montgomery for like a quarter and a half. Yeah,
and then they're like, oh in overtime, Oh that's right,
we have him. And then they beat the Rams.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
And the fifty five pass attempts from golf weird.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I know that Tampa secondary was banged up and they
want to take advantage, but you don't need to do
it that way. Just come out gunning. I think his
second pass was intercepted or something, and it just it's snowballed.
And listen, Baker Mayfield, you know you're right. Baker Mayfield
played outplayed golf by a mile yesterday.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It wasn't even close.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, if again, if you did MVP, you do
Derek Carwan, you'd probably do Sam two, Baker three.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Kyler's got to be in there somewhere. And Josh Allen
has been well. Josh Allen didn't do much against Miami.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
But wacky season. Let me give you this number. I
just saw so passing touchdowns through two weeks. This was
a passing league, right for the last five years. So
twenty nineteen through two weeks, one hundred and five passing touchdowns.
Then it went to one hundred and ten, then one
hundred ten, one hundred and five. Look at the last
two years, it dipped down to eighty six touchdowns passing
through the first two weeks.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
Is that this season? Sixty six?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's it? Okay, So it's interesting. I have two thoughts
on that number. One these teams, I mean, if JJ
McCarthy didn't get hurt, he could be playing. So we're
Caleb's playing, Boonnick's playing, Jayden Daniel's playing and they're not good.
I'm sorry, Well, they're just they're overwhelmed by it. So
we're playing a lot of young quarterbacks. I think that's
part of it. And I think, to be honest with you,
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I don't think all the coaching's equal. I think we're
more prone to fire coaches early. Insert guys in. Some
of these guys coach ching are not head coaches. They're
really great coordinators.
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Yesterday was one of the wilder, especially the early windows,
one of the wilder Sundays that I can remember. The
league sometimes just doesn't make any sense. The teams we
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thought would be zero and to or two and o.
The two and o's are owing to. It's why the
sport is so great. Steelers are on top, Ravens Bengals
in the cellar. What else happened? I Jmack one hour
from now? Where Colin was right? Where Colin was wrong?
I We'll get to Caleb Williams in five minutes. All
these rookie quarterbacks are just bayling Water, just trying to survive.
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But Kansas City does what Kansas City does better over that.
I mean, it's like the Patriots handed the baton to
Kansas City on how to win games late against rivals.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh, lucky Chiefs, once again, here we are two and zero.
Lucky Kansas. That's the only way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Colle Yes, that's what they said for twenty years on
New England. Just lucky New England. They have officially had
the Chiefs become the New England Patriots dynasty. They just
figure out way to win games. You're not sure they
have the better roster, they make mistakes, their star quarterback
will throw an ugly pick, and in the end they
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never beat themselves late. That's just like Brady and New
England high leverage moments. You got an A plus coach,
the best in the game. Belichick wasn't his prime, and
so is Andy Reid, a quarterback best in the league
in his prime. A plus special teams in kicker defense
always makes a play. But it's the situational stuff that
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Cincinnati bad pass interference called Jamar Chase blowing a gasket.
That's not what the Chiefs do. I mean, Brady would
throw pick sixes in the Super Bowl and Mahomes had
He's had multiple ugly picks this season, but it's that
pass interference penalty from a young defensive back. It's losing
your cool. And that's what Kansas that he doesn't do.
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They're the old boat captain the season Mariner, able to
sort of navigate choppy seas and you know, high leverage
late game. I just never worry about it the scores,
like do they need one score? How much time do
I have left? Now? The Bengals at zero and two
are still a good team. They're gonna get better because
te Higgins is coming back, Burton the young receiver, get better.
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I think Cincinnati's really good. Not all of these oh
and two teams. Rams may be in trouble. I don't
think the Bengals are in trump. If they met Kansas
City in the playoffs, I would not be shocked, But
I know who I would take.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
To win.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Kansas City. And the scariest part for everybody like j
Mack that thinks, well, there's a very lucky team. Em
luck comes to the prepared is that they're no longer
highly dependent on Mahomes. It's the defense winning these games.
I mean, Mahomes had his lowest career passing yards in
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a game one hundred and fifty one, he had two picks.
He's thrown three bad picks this year. He's had other
picks that were dropped or or should have been picks.
Kansas City's offense, by the way, completely dried up in
the fourth quarter. There was just nothing left. There was
nothing to it. I mean, Travis Kelcey, outside of one
big play, it was invisible. It's like the old Gronk.
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He was great when you needed him in January and February,
but Gronk, because he got older, wasn't always there. So
this is a crazy league. You got McVeigh oh to
two and Lamar Jackson zero to two, and Pittsburgh can't
move the ball much and they're two to zero. But
here is one thing in this nutty league that's become
incredibly predictable. When the Kansas City Chiefs play one of
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their big rivals wherever it is, they'll be the better team. Late,
they'll be the better situational football team. This league is
so close. I mean, Darnold takes apart the Niners yesterday.
You don't know what you're getting in this league. We
thought New England was the worst team well, no want to, oh,
heading against Seattle, and they gave Seattle trouble. Here's Mahomes
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after a very choppy performance. But nonetheless, like always with
Kansas City, a.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
W, I thought we did a lot of good things. Obviously,
the three turnovers just can't happen. The first interception, I
gotta find the backside linebacker, and I mean the kid
made a great play on the second pick. But I'm
glad we played as clean as we wanted to and
still found a way to win. The speech to the
defense and the full entire team, but obviously we got
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clean up a lot of stuff on offense.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To just figure out ways to stay close and win.
Persevere situational football rules this league. That's how all these
playoff games end, right. You don't get very many blowouts
in the playoffs. They all looked like yesterday. Harrison Budker,
big field goal, Travis Kelsey won big catch, Cincinnati makes
a mistake, Cincinnati fill in the blank, could have been Baltimore,
could have been Buffalo, could have been Miami. That's just
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the way these games worked out. Now, let's talk Caleb Williams.
It felt like one on eleven. Caleb Williams against the
Houston Texans incredibly ferocious and hard hitting defense. So Keenan
Allen out probably a second best receiver, roma Dunzee's got
a bad knee. The Bears offensive line was pitiful, and
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Caleb Williams was either getting sacked or about to get
sacked and escape. I mean, a lot of welcome to
the NFL moments. Now. All three rookie quarterbacks are bailing water.
None of them look good. They're all struggling. The rookie quarterbacks,
all of them combined, the ones playing no touchdown passes
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through two weeks combined. But Caleb is taking the worst
beating and he's finding out why Chicago struggles developing quarterbacks.
I mean, I saw this yesterday. So Malik Willis, who
was unplayable in Tennessee as a quarterback, goes to Green
Bay and they know how to do quarterbacks right, and
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Malik Willis, I'm like that, dude. Can play Jordan Love
keep getting healed. We'll play Malik Willis. And that's the
younger stroster in the league. Green Bay knows what they're
doing with quarterbacks. Laflor, no crazy owner, no impulsive general
manager like Green Bay just does quarterbacks. Well, And this
was always my concern with Chicago. Caleb Williams a great talent.
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Chicago didn't know what they're with quarterbacks. They have no
semblance of a run game. I thought the offensive line
at the end of last year looked pretty good. Brutal
Caleb Williams was pressured listen to this on thirty six
of forty eight dropbacks. He doesn't need a Superman cape.
He needs a bullfighter's cape. He's gonna get Gord out here.
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He's just trying to survive. It's brutal. And I can
hammer Caleb. I can hammer Bo Nicks, I could hammer
Jayden Daniels. It's a hard league, and they're all just,
you know, grabbing life preservers, trying to survive here. But
I mean, he's their leading rusher yesterday. But this is
what I worried about. Defensive coach, defensive culture. I mean,
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you cross your fingers that Shane Walden knows what he's doing.
But I'm the offensive line has regressed badly. And here's
the other thing. What is their offense in four opportunities,
two starts of the game and two starts in the
second half. Those are your big drives, right you're opening
drive of the game, opening drive adjustment, second half four drives,
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three of them a punt. I mean, what are they offensively?
And again, it's a rookie quarterback. You're not gonna use
as much motion. It's gonna be a bit more remedial.
I totally get that. I mean, you're just trying to
figure things out. But the old line's worse than last year,
the run game nonexistent. So what are they offensively? What
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is their philosophy offensively? What are they trying to do offensively?
Malik Willis was bad last year in Tennessee, unplayable. I
watched him, and by the way, Malik Willis is sort
of didn't he get put on the Packers around like
the fifty three man roster time he got put in late.
He was inserted late to green Bay. That looks good
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to me. That's just what Green Bay does with quarterbacks.
But the only NFL team averaging under three yards per
play is the Chicago Bears. What a thin motion, rum
medial rookie quarterback. Now, does Caleb absolutely need to get better? Yes,
he will. I don't worry about him. It'd be nice
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if Roma Dunza didn't have a banged up k me.
It would be better if Keenan Allen was playing. I
think that one matters a lot. But once again, this
was my concern. Caleb's gonna be fine, Jade and Daniels
bow Nicks. I think Panix is gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
J J.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
McCarthy crossed her fingers on healing. But I mean, right
now they are worse offensively is Chicago than Carolina? And
we know Caleb's better than Bryce Young. Here's Caleb after.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Execute the way we needed to, and uh, you know,
we're gonna keep getting better. Everything's about the responses. You know,
it's week two. It's with the guys there. Obviously him,
you know, a young guy. But I understand this a
long season. I'm understanding that it's week two, understanding that
we're gonna respond and you know, just get better every day.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Forty eight dropbacks, thirty six pressures. Like all you have
to do is watch a Sam Donald in Minnesota with
Kevin O'Connell. Some people get offense, some franchises don't, and
they don't forever. The Jets forever don't get offense. Minnesota
Dante Culpepper, Kirk Cousins, now Sam Donald last year, four
or five quarterbacks. Minnesota seems to figure it out offensively.
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Green Bay always figures it out offensively. Chicago, you know
what this looks like justin fields? And I think Caleb's
much better than justin fields. I think that, and I
still think that six weeks checked back with me, so
j Mac, I wanted to save some Jets talk. Oh
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also I wanted to save the cowboy talk. That was
fairly predictable. Well not that's not the outcome of the game.
But the lack of grit by Dallas never shocks me.
I mean, if you get a good punch on Dallas
in the first round, they might as well just you know,
call it a fight.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Didn't that look like the Packer playoff game?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It looked exactly like just like they can't get anything.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was amazing about that? How many times? And let's
just get the Saints credit. I mean, they've got a
new offic coordinator, a lot of speed deep, but how
many times did the Saints score touchdowns? Standing up like
I just walked in. I mean a screen pass, you've
got to break a tackle or three, or you can't
have a sixty seventy yard screen pass and not get
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touched like, that's just a breakdown. It's not eight man
football here. We're watching like at some point you're like,
where are the cowboy defenders?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
By the way, did you get a Derek Carr MVP
ticket in the offseason when you went to Vegas?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I think you have that a fife thousand to one here,
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Basically, you're right, it's toss up and runner up.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
As Sam Darnold. That's where we are, Tod.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
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Speaker 1 (11:54):
All right, welcome back. Forty year old Aaron Rodgers said
first Jet win was a lot long time coming. I'll
I'll just say the game should not have been that close.
Will Levis and I've never seen this Will Levis year
two young quarterback. His coach appears to.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Not only be dis.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He doesn't like him personally. He said after week one
we should just punt. Yesterday He's like, what in the
blank are you doing? He didn't like him. It's almost
like the Will Levis criticism, the narcissism is rubbing the
coach the wrong way, but that game should not have
been that close. If you're a Jets fan, two things
you have to be honest about, because there are good
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losses in this league. Cincinnati lost a good loss. Ad
Arrowhead goes down to the end of the game and
they're bad wins. As a bad win, two things got
to be honest about. Aaron Rodgers is no longer an
elite athlete or a mobile quarterback, which is a big disadvantage.
In twenty twenty four, he didn't move. He stays with
a three to four foot radius. He can't and will
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not extend plays. He is an old quarterback that doesn't move.
I said it last week. He's now closer to Goff
and Kirk Cousins than he is Kyler Murray. That's what
Aaron is. He is an immobile, expensive older quarterback with
a pretty ball. The second thing is this is an
incredibly simplistic offense near the bottom in the NFL in motion.
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Two years under Nat Hackett, they're a bottom five team
in creativity. They don't run any motion, and all the
well coached offensive teams San Francisco, Green Bay, Detroit, Miami
Casey run a ton of motion in different sets. Their
offense is remedial. It looks like nineteen ninety seven. There's
almost no motion. Now they're defense, and this is a
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real problem, is falling apart. So CJ. Moseley, Jermaine Johnson.
Now now Hassan Reddick, you would think Woody Johnson, the owner,
the owners would just write a check and get Hassan
Reddick back because now your defense is falling apart. So
bringing Aaron Rodgers to New York was viewed as saving
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the offense. No, it's not gonna lose you games. But
it's not saving anything. They cleared a bar which was
limbo low. Last year they were thirty first in yards
per play. This year they're nineteenth. This is not an
offense that can win by a shootout. It's not. It's
very limited. One of the worst o seasonal sport. No motion,
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old quarterback, expensive and not mobile. That's what you are.
You're a sprained ankle from Brese Hall to being a
bottom five offense. There's nothing to it here. It can't
fool anybody. And now you got an injury bug on
the defensive side. So you know, Aaron Rodgers, I've said this,
he seeks comfort. He wanted comfortable, and so he brought
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in that Hackett now on Lazard, but that's like going
into business with your high school buddies. At some point
you got to go out of the building and get
superstar players. Think about this, the first three possessions. This
is with Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson, Brice Hall, and the
old Line's okay, their first three possessions, those are the
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scripted plays with Aaron Rodgers. The scripted plays, first three
possessions four yards in a punt, seven yards in a punt,
four yards in a punt. Go look at Minnesota, Kevin O'Connell,
Sam Darnold, go look at their first three or four possessions.
Usually the you know, usually usually the way it works
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is you pick up at least some yards, you win
the field position game three first downs, you get it
to midfield ish, and then you pun them deep and
you start. If you don't score, you kind of get
some field position. I mean, maybe Tennessee's defense is that good.
I don't know, but they have an offensive coach, and
I don't see growth for the Jets offense. Why because
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growth comes with innovation, and this is not an innovative offense.
So I mean the Saints basically have the same thing.
An older quarterback, one star running back, one star receiver,
good old line, not special, and they're they're they got
what were they yesterday in the first half? Twelve yards
of play? I mean the Saints are scoring, standing up.
Saints are they have a new offensive coordinator. If you
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watch the Saints, all sorts of movement, different sets, different
movement making the defense think. So you can say what
you want about the Jets, you got to be honest
here forget the defensive injuries. This offense is just whatever's
below vanilla. That's what it is. They're I just here's
Aaron on getting his first w.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, it feels great, feels great, been a long time coming.
These are kind of the games you look back on
late in the season you're thankful that you won these
because if you want to be a great team, we
got to win in these type of environments against against
teams like.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That, teams like that, I mean Titans rowing two and
without being too personal, I think Will Levis may have
the worst decision making gene in the league at quarterback.
His coach isn't dissatisfied, appears to resent him, and this
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puppy went down to the end, they had a chance
to tie that puppy up time. As your honesty broker,
as America's honesty broker, you gotta be honest Jets about
what you have. A defense falling apart physically and a
nineteen eighty four offense.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
J Mack with a news no, no, no, turned on
the news. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Let's not forget Titans should have beat the Bears in
Week one. It was like seventeen three and they were
up seven to nothing on the Jets going in for
fourteen nothing when Will Levis kind.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Of that's what I'm saying this game. If you didn't
watch the game, you're like, Jets won by a touchdown.
I'm sitting there multiple times watching it, going what is
going on? And you got to come out of the game.
You can't be four yards in punt, seven yards punt,
four yards punt. Well the first drive of the game.
Now again, it's one thing if your facing the Niners.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well Monday night hangover, you know, and then you got
to go back on the road. So a little excuse
a lot of penalties. But I don't know if we
can show the clip with cat when after Levis turned
it over Callahan, the coach looks at him, Oh, pulls
down his headphones and says, what the bleep are you doing?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like, I mean, it's very clear they are I would
not be shocked if they benched him.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
He actually, I mean he made vast Gardner look bad
a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Maybe it was more Ridley, but.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Uh, Saftgardner had a bad game. He's off to a
rough start.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Jets defense nothing right home about, but also struggling in
the Niners Colin they lose for the first time this season. Listen,
Minnesota kind of boxed them in and uh, despite having
one of the best rosters in football, a lot of
errors and sloppy against the Vikings, brock Purdy knows the
team didn't execute like they're capable of.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
It's as simple as executing. We got the players, we
got this geme, we got what it takes. And you know,
it's it's dropping back and executing, knowing where my answers
are at and getting the balls into the guy's hands
and drop stepping and getting first downs and it's uh,
it's all that. It's football, man, just because you got
you know, really good players and good scheme doesn't mean
the other team's gonna give it to You have to
go out and earn it. So we've had to learn that,
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you know, the first two games the season. So hopefully
we can be better next week.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Or maybe it was Sam and Donald. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Any thoughts on Brandon are you slow start to the
season you want to you care to chime in on that?
I mean he's been you can't get open, can't catch
the ball. Well, go ahead, say something, say something me.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know I said before the idea that he wasted
you know, six seven weeks a camp, like he was
going to get a better situation than the forty nine ers,
this offense, this coach. Yeah, go play in Carolina, go
play in New England. See how much fun it is.
I mean, I you waste, you wasted. Forget wasting the
team's time, You wasted your time. I don't get it.
(19:58):
The whole holdout. Think he had a year left his contract.
Can you imagine in any other business if you had
a year left on your contract and you're demanding this
this this you've earned this slow start, that's on you.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But Christian McCaffrey, this is like a real thing. Now
you got Ian Rappibore coming out saying it could be
six weeks. Shanahan's like, we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I will say in a strange way, that's a double
dose of good news. One, McCaffrey will be fine. He's
coming up back to back, huge heavy usage year. And secondly,
it gives their backup plenty of reps. I've said before,
this is a Super Bowl or bust super Bowl winner
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bust team like Kansas City. Having McCaffrey not have to
play until like last week of October is not the
worst thing in the world because they become even with
all their players, they become incredibly Christian McCaffrey reliant. When
he's there, it's almost like he's an automatic six yards.
So just give him the ball and it's nothing against Shanahan.
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But the true is this may be the way for
McCaffrey's last several years in the league to play him.
Just get him ready by October, because all of Shanahan's
backs end up flourishing, all of them do. His dad
was the same way.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
It's a weird thing with the Chiefs and Niners. It's like, oh,
they lost, they don't look good.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Who cares they're going to be in the playoffs all
the matters his health. We should probably say something nice
about Brian Flores and his defense and what they've done
in Minnesota for the.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
First two Well, I think we both believed he was
a really good football coach. Yeah, he had a two issue,
but if you go back to the Miami year where
he was a head coach. By week eight of his
rookie year coaching, they had an identity on special teams.
In defense, Brian Flores is excellent. Yeah, everybody's always talking
about who deserves the second chance, if Todd Bowles gets
a second chance, and I think Todd's very capable Brian Flores.
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But Todd's more likable, and you know, Todd's more laid back,
Like everybody likes Todd Bowles. You know, Brian Flores can
be polarizing. Yeah, but Brian Flores can coach period.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Well, it's coach defense. We don't know about it.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Final note, you saw the schedule on the screen there
Niners at so far this weekend against the ramsay, I
can't believe it only open seven and a half.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
First bet I made this week.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh sham for chap up and Cooper out. I don't
know how the Rams and the Niners basically got pushed
around the field and humiliated. Niners will win that game,
that thing whatever they want to win.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, just by the way, Kyler Murray looked incredible against
the Rams. What do you think Perdy's gonna an awful loss?
I mean, it's a bad spot for your Rams. Well,
I'm sure we'll get to the Rams eventually. Maybe we'll
find time to syrup or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You have got to take.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Next up, boy, Colin, I've never been out of Survivor
this early before.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
The Baltimore Ravens choke away a fourth quarter league.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
They're up by ten with twelve minutes left and just
gag could not get a sun.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
To say this for the Raiders, though that team has fight. Well,
come on now, I think this is more about the Ravens.
They're now zero to two for the first time in
nine years. Last time they went on in two did
not make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I believe Baltimore, I mean, and Lamar nobody was good
on Baltimore. I'm sorry, Harbaugh, not even great. Yeah, yeah,
Lamar knows they got to figure things out fast.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
We gotta find fine Mojoo. You know, we gotta find
and do what we do because that's that's not us
at all. She's gotta find a way to win. Like
you said, and I used to be on too. You
just gotta catch all, catch all momentum and get a
starter right away.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
So we talked about the loss of McDonald, the defensive
coordinator who's in Seattle, Colin, I don't know. They could
not stop Brock Bowers, Davante Addams, Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Brock Powers is lining up outside and beating corners. The
problem Rock Powers is, you know, Kyle Pitts, we thought
was gonna be something. Brock Powers already they line them
up outside and can beat corners.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But to Baltimore's defense, how do you let Gardner Minshew
complete eighty three percent of his pat What Gardner Minshew?
And now they've got the Justin Tucker kicker situation. Every
kicker is banging fifty yarders like it's nothing. Tucker misses
from fifty.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Record what happened in this league? It's like a layup drill.
Guys are hitting fifty four yarders and the ball is
three quarters up the net. Very weird. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Wait, till we get to the passing numbers. The passing
touchdowns through two weeks are like half of.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
What they've normally been.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's weird league. I am curious. Can the Ravens turn
it around?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
If we have the schedule on the screen, I feel
better about I know Dallas this week. That's basically a
pick them. I think their favorite by one and look
at that after that Buffalo Cincinnati. One of my calls
this offseason was a massive regression from the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You're right, this ain'tan this is not a playoffs. No,
you're right. It's funny. Rams Owing two are in trouble
because they have their whole offenses on the IR. I
mean it's a mess. Pooka offensive lineman. They get their
left tackle yesterday they didn't have a left tackle in
the building. So and the Ravens Owing two, the defense
is regressed and the on line is not good. Cincinnati
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owing to I don't know. I watched them yesterday. They're big,
they're the tight ends are a problem for Kansas City
coming back. Yeah, they're gonna and Burton's gonna get better
since now he's okay.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
This game against Dallas next week that I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Know if let me, let's get the line. Can I
guess why?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
I think I just said it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh, you did Ravens by one, their favored by one,
Dallas coming off a big loss.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, Dallas off a humiliating loss.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well, you don't think this is humiliating to the Ravens
up by ten on those sad sack Raiders.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Come on, that is I don't know that that's a
tough game. I don't think it's gonna make.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The Blazing five.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I mean you go against Lamar. We gotta talk a
little cowboys later in the show.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Final story is Monday night Football Tonight, Eagles against the
Falcons in Philly. However, news over the weekend AJ Brown
hamstring injury. He's gonna miss the game. It'll be the
first regular season game he's missed since joining Philly in
twenty twenty two. Played in thirty seven straight regular season games.
The line has dipped down to five and a half.
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Still a lot of uncertainty around Kirk Cousins and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
They don't know if he he Basically, he and Aaron
Rodgers don't leave the pocket. Well they can't leave the
I mean you hike it to him, he steps and throws.
There's real limitation. I think Atlanta's going to play much better. Listen,
Pittsburgh's defense in the first two weeks has discombobulated some
pretty talented offenses. We just discombobulated Atlanta and Denver, so
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some of it could be. This Philly defense is not
even close to Pittsburgh. I think Atlanta's going to show
well tonight. I don't have it. I'm not betting it,
but I would take Atlanta. I know I'm in the
minority here. I if Kirk Cousins can't move it all,
I think I think Pittsburgh scared him a little bit.
I think this defense tonight he'll face I think Atlanta
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is going to show well tonight.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Their grimetime underdogs this week, I know they both covered
Bill's win outright and underdog talk.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
About had a very very good weekend underdog for break.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, Packers, So underdogs did well, but you had the Packers.
I did have the crowns, but you know I didn't
have all of them, and not a great week for
your boy.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line news.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So it's Week two and Dallas is already Dallas. It
felt like that Green Bay game in the playoffs. I mean,
a very young, smart offensive coach happens to be the
Saints new coordinator, Clint Kobiak took the Cowboys to the woodshed.
It honestly, it felt like a Southern California seven on
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seven drill. They kept scoring, standing up. Were they wearing
the red jerseys? Don't tackle them? It was brutal. So
Number one, let's give the Saints credit. They've got a
new offensive coordinator and they got speed deep, they got
a great running back. They're given Derek Carr protection. This
is a Saints win, not just the Cowboy lost. They
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averaged twelve yards of play in the first half, and
I mean guys going standing up out of bounds and
standing up into the end zone. The number two thing
is no NFL team falls in love with itself after
a big win like Dallas. And maybe it's the city
a lot of sequins, big hair, Dallas loves Dallas. That's
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okay to healthy ego. Economy's always great, but nobody falls
in love with themselves like Dallas. I mean, they've branded themselves,
they've branded themselves as in this counts all sports in
America as America's glamour team. But all that glamour, to me,
feels like a lack of grit. If you hit him
on the chin in the first round, it's over. And
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I've got Nick Saban at Alabama. Remember what he used
to call hype marketing and glamour. Do you remember that
he called it rat poison. He goes all these you know,
you're on the cover of this magazine. That stuff is
rat poison. It just brings you down. And that's what
I feel about Dallas. I mean, think about this in
just recent memory. Go back to Week fifteen last year
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against Buffalo. Remember that game they trailed thirty one to three.
Dallas trailed Buffalo thirty. They trailed Green Bay twenty seven
to nothing, and yesterday they trailed thirty five to thirteen.
That's like what happens to Carolina. I mean, they get
blown out. They are a boxer that you hit them early.
They're the opposite of Kansas City. You could knock Kansas
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City down in the first round, second and third, and
somehow they'll get up and they'll win a decision in
the tenth. Nobody fights when they don't have their best
night or afternoon. Like Kansas City, they just fight and
fight and fight and figure out a way to win
a decision. Dallas folds. They got no grit. I mean, listen,
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in the last seven games for Dallas, forget the back,
they're three and four. They have lost by twenty one,
sixteen and twenty five two at home. I mean that's Carolina.
I mean that's how Carolina loses. So they are the
antithesis of the Chiefs, the best operation in football right now.
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So yeah, and they love to pay their stars. I
always feel like, even with Mahomes, you're getting a little
bit of a bargain. It is a little team friendly.
Dak top paid guy in the league, and that that's
what I see.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Here.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Here was Dak after the is it shocking blowout loss
last week?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You guys are riding the high in Cleveland and then
I have today.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Is this just the way the league goes?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (30:22):
I missed the NFL. I'll talk about each and every week.
No games are played on paper. As far as riding
a high, I don't, I know, I wasn't personally. I
don't think the guys in the locker room necessarily were.
I mean, I talked about how much meat we left
on the bone offensively, and that's that's simply why you
can't listen to it, to other people's opinions and read
with you guys, you guys right respectfully. I mean, yeah,
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you know, Yell may have put put put it, put
this team on a high more more than we should
have been, and now we just simply have got to reset.
We've got to respond.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I mean up down, up down. Great win, embarrassing loss.
It's week two. We've already figured him out. This is
Dallas again in week two, and that game is Baltimore. Generally,
if you're humiliated, I mean a lobsided score, you play
really really well the next week, unless you're like Carolina
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and you're just awful. But you would think Dallas would
play inspired football. If I had to, I'd probably take Dallas.
But there are some consistent things in this league.
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Speaker 1 (32:52):
How about if Malik Willis plays again for green Bay
and faces Will Levis, so Tennessee bails on him, he
goes to green Bay, gets great offense of coaching. That's
what green Bay does, goes back and beats Will Levis,
who is coach. Can't stand Yeah, Malik Willis revenge game.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
That's a real thing this week.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, I bet. I mean green Bay is going to
be fine. The coaching, the structure, the players. You know,
a quarterback actually winning that game. It's pretty impressive for
green Bay. Gotta be honest, pretty impressive. In short, a
quarterback around the fifty three man roster cuts and all
of a sudden, you go beat an Indianapolis team that
gave the Texans everything they could handle. We thought you
thought it was gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, listen the Colts defense, they showed up and They're like,
we're just going to play our cover three zone and
the Packers room for two hundred and.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Sixty four yards in the first half. They just sat back.
It was crazy. I don't know, Colts, they got some problems.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, we may have
to revisit the twenty eighteen quarterback class because they're both
crushing it. And I don't know how this turns out.
You know, I love Sam. I don't know how it
turns out. But let's be clear. He ate San Francisco's
defense for lunch without his number one tight end, without
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his number two receiver, and then his number one receiver,
Justin Jefferson got hurt. So you saw all of Sam's
best trades. He's an athlete. He's a big, strong athlete.
He's tough, He'll take a shot, he's got a big arm.
He's willing to take big swings and throw the ball
down the field. He had a pick, but Fred Warner
makes that pick. I doubt any other linebacker in the
league makes that pick. And so again, what does it prove,
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How will it turn out? I don't know. It does
prove that young people need help. Everybody needs help. Nobody
does it on an island. Even Mahomes hasn't played particularly
great football. You need help. Ninety five percent of the
quarterbacks in this league are just not gifted enough to
overcome nonsense. And you know, in New York and in Carolina,
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nothing but nonsense. Sam's not that talented. Then he goes
to San Francisco and the coaches reportedly loved him. Kevin
O'Connell calls Kyle Shanahan. Kyle's like, we loved him. If
it wasn't for pretty, we'd start him. And then he
goes to Minnesota again with a competent franchise, a great
offensive coach. He is crushing it. So, you know, playing
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quarterback in the NFL is like quantum mechanics. People have
no idea what it is or what it takes. You
just don't know until you've done it. And almost none
of us could do it, and I mean almost none
of it. But what you do need is a really
good professor to teach you how to do it, unless
you're like a genius, and they're not many of those,
or unless you're you know, John Elway, and they're not
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many of those. But what I saw yesterday was a
quarterback that just was desperate for competency from an organization
and the Jets and Panthers could not deliver that. And
then a sharp offensive coach who can elevate sam straints
and then hide his weaknesses. He can be a bit impulsive.
(35:54):
There are times he can be well Carson Wentz. He
can be a little reckless. He can run into trouble,
throw ugly picks in the red zone. Now, yesterday was
just Fred Warner being Fred Warner. But here's Kevin O'Connell
on Donald's big game. That is big time quarterback play. Sure,
all those folks out there that want some examples of it,
I think we got two weeks of some pretty tangible
(36:15):
examples of some quarterback play from Zam Donald.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
I'm really proud of them.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, it was really good. So here's week three. Remember
we looked at the schedule for Minnesota and we're like, well,
middle and in they got a shot. And I had said,
I don't know where you had them, j McK but
I had said if they finished fourth, this is the
greatest offensive group that has ever finished in fourth place
in the National Football League. They're missing pieces and lighting
(36:40):
up the Niners I mean, I have their number one
tied end, their number two receiver, and Justin Jefferson got hurt.
So congrats to Minnesota. That schedule does not get much
easier for the Vikings. But if you look at the
week three schedule Thursday, by the way, I saw the
Jets Patriot line. I like the Jets on that line.
I think New England's fooling people a little bit.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Six and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yes, now is up six and a half. Yeah, okay,
that's a stayaway then okay, But as you look at
it now, Minnesota my favorite number of the week. Houston
goes to Minnesota. So Minnesota is off a San Francisco
game where you get beat up physically and Houston did
not play well, but one where you can really coach him.
(37:24):
I think Houston goes up to Minnesota and plays Finally,
they're young and they make mistakes. I think Houston beats
Minnesota a little bit of a comeback to Earth moment.
But I will say this again. I know, I know
you wanted to prove me wrong on Sam Donald. But
(37:44):
what's interesting Gino Smith, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield and Sam
Donald are not busts. And there was a time we
thought all of them were done and they I mean
right now, if you did MVP voting, Derek Carr lead
Darnold would be two.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
I mean, seriously, Kyler Murray has to be in the discussion.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Kyler was Kyler Murray yesterday may have played the best
game by an NFL player all season.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Did you see Arizona versus Detroit this week? I don't
think we can discount the Cardinals at this point. They
opened with a seventeen to three lead against the in
the open. I guess Buffalo and looked, and then yesterday
it was like twenty four to three and a heartbeat
against the Rams. Detroit does not look crisp. And I
have like a Ben Johnson's taket to pro No.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
You had a very interesting take on this, and I
think you were right. There is an old saying you
strike in your career, you strike when the iron's hot.
So Ben Johnson was the hot coordinator on the market.
Now Hardball was the hot head coach in the market.
But he was the hot offensive coordinator guy at Houston.
But he's only been there a year and Ben Johnson
and Ben Johnson alienated some people. Remember he called a
(38:51):
team flying to the I think was it Washington, Yeah,
like m flying somewhere. He called the mid flight. I
don't want the job, and they were flying him on
a private jet. So now you look at them and
I don't know what it is. The second half against
the Rams, they got dominated and they did not look.
First of all, golf was just off. Their thing is
(39:12):
they asked golf to throw fifty five times. You're a
power run team, you have the best offensive line in football. Golf,
even though he's good, should be a complimentary player. He
should manage the game. They're throwing the ball way too much.
And Ben Johnson, you start looking at now from the
hottest coordinator to that's wrong with Detroit's offense.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
They lost their identity against the Rams. Remember they didn't
run Montgomery for like a quarter and a half. Yeah,
and then they're like, oh in overtime, Oh that's right,
we have him. And then they beat the Rams.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
And the fifty five pass attempts from golf weird.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I know that Tampa secondary was banged up and they
want to take advantage, but you don't need to do
it that way. Just come out gunning. I think his
second pass was intercepted or something, and it just it's snowballed.
And listen, Baker Mayfield, you know you're right. Baker Mayfield
played outplayed golf by a mile yesterday.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It wasn't even close.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, if again, if you did MVP, you do
Derek Carwan, you'd probably do Sam two, Baker three.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Kyler's got to be in there somewhere. And Josh Allen
has been well. Josh Allen didn't do much against Miami.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
But wacky season. Let me give you this number. I
just saw so passing touchdowns through two weeks. This was
a passing league, right for the last five years. So
twenty nineteen through two weeks, one hundred and five passing touchdowns.
Then it went to one hundred and ten, then one
hundred ten, one hundred and five. Look at the last
two years, it dipped down to eighty six touchdowns passing
through the first two weeks.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
Is that this season? Sixty six?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's it? Okay, So it's interesting. I have two thoughts
on that number. One these teams, I mean, if JJ
McCarthy didn't get hurt, he could be playing. So we're
Caleb's playing, Boonnick's playing, Jayden Daniel's playing and they're not good.
I'm sorry, Well, they're just they're overwhelmed by it. So
we're playing a lot of young quarterbacks. I think that's
part of it. And I think, to be honest with you,
(40:52):
I don't think all the coaching's equal. I think we're
more prone to fire coaches early. Insert guys in. Some
of these guys coach ching are not head coaches. They're
really great coordinators.
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