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Here we go, Hour two.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a Thursday Jets Patriots tonight live in Los Angeles.
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Rob Low next hour, That'll be fun. Jordan Palmer next
hour too. He's gonna go through all these young quarterbacks.
Greg co selling about three minutes I was talking about this,
I got I got a text from a general manager
in the league last night and that was, you know,
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just asking about a lot of these young quarterbacks. That
he said, boy, Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis, you have got
to be concerned. Shane Stikeen is one of the smartest
guys in the league. So it's interesting. Anthony Richardson faces
came Williams this week. It's a surprisingly important game because
you have two young quarterbacks, the greatest quarterback athlete from
last year, and we had all this hope. It has
been bar rutal. I just look now, he's the worst
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in the NFL. Since the start of last season, he's
completing fifty five percent of his throws. The best guys
in this league are at sixty six sixty seven. That is,
that's just that. The line of demarcation in the NFL
is sixty percent. Fifty five is not close. And again
Green Bays defense is at all world on throws five
yards downfield. So when you make him throw just down
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the field a little bit, his completion percentage is forty percent.
So when he's not doing bubble screens and you just
ask him to throw it down field, he's not an
NFL quarterback. And with that, I'm going to bring in
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL films. Let's talk about that.
I heard you were on the Ross Tucker podcast. I
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thought Malik Willis was kind of done. But when I
watched Malik compared to Anthony Richardson, I thought, oh, Malik
is highly functional. This works in the NFL. Now, of
course he has Matt Lafleur, who's now becoming more of
a veteran coach. But you tell me of all these
young quarterbacks, and I'll get to Caleb in a second,
but does Anthony Richardson? Are we getting to a point
where you're looking at thinking, I'm not sure he's an
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NFL quarterback?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, colin the way I look at this, and I've
been giving this a lot of thought over the last
couple of years, because what is the college game giving
the NFL. They're giving the NFL quarterbacks that are really
high level athletes. Many of them have big power arms
like Anthony Richardson, and they can make special plays. Look,
we saw him Week one make some special plays. The
problem is is they don't make enough of the routine plays, right, okay,
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is the basic concepts, concepts that need to be executed
that pretty much are taught beginning in high school. They
don't make enough of those routine plays. And we don't
talk about that enough. You talked about five yard throws.
I mean there's basic routs, something called why stick or
snag flat, basic route concepts that are simple reads that
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a lot of these young quarterbacks with the big arms,
they don't make those throws. They don't throw it the
right way, they throw it too hard, and so now
it becomes a balance. And you know, I'm sure you
think about it as well. What's the balance between being
efficient from the pocket? Let's say it's one to ten,
ten being the best. They don't have to be a ten.
But what's the balance between being efficient in the pocket
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and being able to make special plays? Can you be
a really good NFL quarterback if you're a four from
the pocket just because you can make a special play
here and there. And by the way, those special plays
don't happen every week.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right, So let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Let's talk about guys that have been in the leg
a while. I was really high on Trevor Lawrence out
of college. You push back a lot. You told me
second year, You're like, he's not Josh Allen. He's not
that You are right on this. He does not win
enough games. Now, he's got size, he is mobile, he's
got a good enough arm. But you tell me what's
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been the issue this year with Trevor Lawrence. Somebody who
all has been a little skeptical about.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, and I like Trevor Lawrence. I mean I thought
he threw the ball extremely well Week one this past week.
I thought he missed a few throws that were there
to be made. I thought his offensive line didn't play
particularly well. Keep in mind, and I thought about this
when he came out of Clemson. He's a big, long athletes.
By the way, he's a very good athlete. He throws
the ball really well on the run. But he's a
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strider as a quarterback. So what happens a lot with
Trevor is not that he can't make throws. He can
make every throw, but when the pocket gets a little
squeeze Colin, because he's a strider, he tends to speed
everything up. He speeds up his mechanics, he speeds up
his delivery, and at times that leads to some lost
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energy on certain throws, and it leads to him missing
some throws with poor ball placement. But I think if
he's protected, and of course I know we could say
this about any quarterback, but there's no question good enough
physically to be a top ten quarterback in the league.
It hasn't quite worked out that way on a week
to week basis, but he's got those traits. But I
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think there are some things that still need to be
cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So somebody we both liked out of college. I probably
more than you even I have been surprised that Sam Darnald,
without his number one receiver, number two receiver, number one
tight end, was moving the ball in the Niners. So
is it scheme with Kevin O'Connell? Has Donald cleaned up
his you know, you know his mechanics? Like, what are
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you seeing with Donald who has been really strong?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah? I think that it's some with mechanics because Kevin
O'Connell is really really good with lower body mechanics and
the coordination of lower body mechanics and upper body mechanics.
Because quarterbacks start from the ground up. That's where it starts.
And the other thing is scheme. Look, every offensive coordinator
in this league, Colin is trying to get the ball
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to the primary read on every player. We know that
doesn't happen all the time, but some coaches are better
than others at doing that based on their route concepts
versus anticipated coverages. And Kevin O'Connell's very very good at that.
So you're seeing a quarterback that's far more decisive. Look,
you like San Darnold from the time he came out
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of USC you know he's gifted as a thrower. There's
no problem with his physical traits. As an NFL quarterback,
there never was. The problem at times seemed to be
decision making, his ability to eliminate and isolate the right throw.
So if you can really help him by defining that
primary read, more often than not, he'll throw the ball
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really well. And through two games that's been the case.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I had somebody tell me, and it's been confirmed that
Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay didn't like a lot of
cute motion. He didn't want to look like Miami San
Francisco McVeigh.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Okay, that was fine because he had better personnel and
a better coach in Green Bay. He goes to New York.
Through two games, in my take is it's a remedial offense.
It doesn't move a lot right, and he's no longer
an athlete. He's closer to Kirk Cousins than Mahomes. And
I think, if you're not gonna escape the pocket like
a golf, a Kirk Cousins and now Aaron Rodgers, you
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got to give me some bells and whistles. You got
to give me some movement. It becomes much more imperative.
If there's nothing offscript, you have to be superior on script.
I've watched the Jets first two weeks, Greg, I'm an
amateur at this. It looks very predictable. I mean, even
their first several series, it's four yards point four. Those
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are scripted plays. What's wrong with the offense or is
it just limited in personnel.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I don't think it's limited in personnel. Now that Mike
Williams is back, you've got the big boundary X. He
made a big catch this week on the fourth quarter
touchdown drive on a back shoulder fade. They've got Garrett Wilson,
who is a truly movable chess piece and a really
really good receiver. I think they've got some quality tight ends.
They've got Breise Hall, They've got Allen who's a nice compliment.
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So I don't think it's a lack of personnel. I
think in some ways what Rogers could be saying. And
you know, again, I don't know how he thinks about this,
but Rogers is so smart that I'm sure he feels
that if the defense is static and he knows where
they're going to be, even if there's some disguise in
late rotation. He has a feel for what that would
be based on their initial look. Then he feels extremely
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comfortable knowing where he's going to go with the ball.
I mean, he is incredibly intelligent as a quarterback and
he sees everything when you start with motion. Don't forget
the defense also moves too, and sometimes it can be
predictable in its movement and sometimes not. So my sense
is he probably likes the defense static. Now I think
it's only game two. It's two games, so we'll see.
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I think this offense develop and evolve as the year progresses.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Okay, that's fair, especially with the emergence of Mike Williams. Again,
really unique body type that's hard to defend. So a
quarterback you like for a long time that doesn't get
a lot of love as Kirk Cousins. So last year
with all these same pieces, they just were in anemic
and I don't you know, we don't think of Kirk
Cousins as this dynamic athlete. I mean, you know, I
don't know if he's that much bigger than Desmond Ritter,
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but you watched him mow through in the last drive
against Philadelphia, and that's high level quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The audience.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The fans may not love him, and fantasy people may
not love him, But what is he providing that the
guy last year couldn't even move the ball?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think you're dealing with what we started this
conversation with is that people now tend to respond far
more to those outside of structure plays, with the assumption
being that you can't be a quality the NFL quarterback
unless you can make those kinds of plays. Cousins is
a professional pocket quarterback. He knows how to read defenses.
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He knows how to play with timing and rhythm. He
knows where the ball should go. He knows Colin how
to make the right throw to the right receiver at
the right time. Is he going to be dynamic with
his legs? No. Are there going to be games here
and there where the defense wins and he doesn't play
at a high level. Yes, that's going to happen. But
he is a professional quarterback who knows how to play
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from the pocket, knows how to deliver the football, understands
what he's looking at. There's always going to be a
place for that kind of quarterback in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So Arizona. When you start looking at their personnel. Every
year there's a team that shocks us. And they lost
to Buffalo, but in the manner in which they lost. McBride, Connor,
now Marvin Harrison, Kyler, Murray's elusiveness and ball placement. You
start looking at them and you're like, I don't know.
I know the Rams were beat up. I thought Kyler
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was the best football player in the National Football League
last weekend. I thought he was insane just in terms
of his ability to move the pocket, deliver the foot ball.
I don't know if you love Kyler, your take on
this new staff, these new weapons is maybe he turned
a page.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't think we know the answer to that yet. Now,
certainly he's going to make those kinds of plays we've
been speaking about. He made a couple of those last
week against the Rams, and he'll always do that. That's
the kind of quarterback he is. Because of his size,
he tends to play a little forrenetically, but that's just
who he is. He's always going to be that guy.
The question is how efficient can he be from the pocket.
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I mean, we just saw the sixty yard touchdown to
Marvin Harrison. That was a great play by Kyler because
that play was actually designed to be a throwback past
to McBride, and he didn't feel like he had the throw,
so he kept rolling out and then he hit Harrison,
who also did a great job not abandoning his route.
But Kyler's always going to make plays outside of structure.
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The question is can he make those necessary plays from
in the pocket. And he made a few throws last
week that I thought were really really good from the pocket.
And if he can get better at that, you know,
he'll never be Tom Brady or Drew Brees. But if
he can get better at that, then he can be
a really good quarterback on a weekly basis, as opposed
to a spectacular quarterback that is a game to gain proposition.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Let's circle back now, Colts Bears this week to Caleb Williams.
So I had Matt Hasselbeck on Monday and I was
lamenting the Bears offensive line and he shook his head
and said a lot of these are on, Caleb. So
you've been doing this looking at film for forty five years.
Who's to blame for what appears to be It's like
backyard football. It's like man overboard on every snap when
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he throws it.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Colin There's a significant difference which I think a lot
of people are unclear about, between leaving the pocket and
making plays with your legs outside the pocket and moving
within the pocket. Those are two totally different things for
people who are older like myself and can think of
Dan Marino a master at moving within the pocket. Tom Brady,
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who probably ran a six flat forty, a master at
moving within the pocket. That is an area that Caleb
Williams needs to get better at. We know he can
be great getting out of the pocket, but those are
two different traits. That is one area he needs to
get better at, and one thing that he has to
stop doing in the NFL is retreating backwards. You can't
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retreat backwards in the NFL. There may be one quarterback
I've ever seen that can do that, and that's Lamar Jackson,
but you can't play that way. So he has to
learn to move within the pocket to sort of find
a quiet space in which to deliver the football. Because
I'll tell you what, the ball comes out of his
hand beautifully. He is a beautiful throw over the football.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, before we get to the big play, my hometown
Seahawks are two to zero. My friends are always like,
we got to get a quarterback. But with this defense
and this coach, you can win a lot of games
with their weapons and their running game. With Gino Smith,
Gino's a big guy who throws strikes. He's an accurate
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and so I think Seattle is one of those teams
all of us in the sportscasting business we're like, if
this coach is as good as like a Demiico Ryans,
we've seen bad teams or average teams get good fast.
What do you make of Gino and the Seahawks overall?
On this new team, this new coach.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, Colin, I have to admit, I think people still
think of Gino Smith from ten years ago. Gino Smith
has developed into a pretty sound quarterback. He throws the
ball really well. I think that the system they have
now with Ryan Grubb from the University of Washington is
a good one because he's very good at designing intermediate
and vertical route concepts, and Gino can make every throw.
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They've got three really really good weapons on the perimeter,
and Noah Fan is a quality tight end that actually
has some speed. So I actually like their offense. I
like the design of it, and I think Gino is
a good th over the football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That'll make all my Pacific Northwest friends happy. Finally a quarterback.
His comp out of college, and by the way, this
is a good comp was Jared Goff with a little
better mobility. And I remember watching mid Ohio State and
I said, that's a good comp. That's a really lancs
zer Line made that comp as a kind of a
scout and I'm like, yeah, like that comp. But like Goff,
I didn't see a lot of Jews. Athletically, Well, he's
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got more. We saw him against Georgie ran around. You're like,
like Herbert at Oregon in his last game against Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They didn't let him run. He did and you're like,
oh Herbert can move. Oh c J.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Stroud can move. But it's the pocket stuff. To me,
he is a complete outlier. I said this this week.
Forget the layups. I mean he didn't even think about those.
Like Mahomes, his ability to make hard throws and they're
seemingly effortless. The ball just comes out. It's I mean,
it jumps off the television, does it not.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, let me tell you something, Colin. This kid, as
far as timing into disipation, making window throws between the
numbers versus his own coverage. This kid is really high level.
I remember watching Week two his rookie year last year
against the Colts and thinking, wow, I haven't seen this
from a lot of veteran quarterbacks. And you're one hundred
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percent right. And you don't see that a lot in
college because the college game is different, with the hashmarks wider,
you don't see a lot of those tight window throws
that just require such an innate natural feel for timing
and anticipation. If you were sitting with me watching tape
when he starts his delivery, when he first separates his hands,
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you'd say, who's he throwing it to? And then he
throws it to an open space, and all of a sudden,
there's Nico Collins, there's Tank Dell. He is a master.
He's really high level. And actually, the play we're going
to look at, if you want to get to it,
is a perfect, perfect example of that. It's from last week.
It's the touchdown against a touchdown he threw to Nico Collins,
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and you're seeing it now, and we'll take a look
at it because it's really good on so many different levels.
Now you're going to see Stroud, he's going to be
in the gun right here, and there's going to be
a three by one set and they do this a
lot with Nico Collins. What we call the boundary X,
the single receiver to the short side of the field. Now,
what Stroud's looking at is what we call a too
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high structure. He sees two deep safeties, so the middle
is open right now, and this look could be two
man coverage. That could be the pre snap look, so
he has to be aware of that. It looks like
it could be man to man across the board with
two high safeties. Now as this play starts, it's not
going to be that, but he doesn't know that before
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the play starts. So now as we start to run this,
you're going to see it's going to become a different coverage.
It's going to become Cover two. Now there's still going
to be too deep safeties, but the corners are not
playing man to man coverage. So there you see the
two deep safeties and you're going to see the underneath
coverage as well. They retreated, so you know it's not
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because they retreated backwards. So now what you're going to
get here is going to be working against Cover two,
not two man coverage. So there's the coverage. So now
where's a void? One void and Cover two is right
in the middle. Yep. So now Nico Collins is running
an inbreaking route into that void. But it's when he
delivers this football. He delivers this football before Collins clears
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that underneath defender. This is the timing and anticipation and
just the natural feel for when to deliver the football.
These are not easy throws. They look easy the way
he does this. He does this all the time. So
I would argue that he's a playmaker from the pocket.
We think of quarterbacks who are playmakers when they run
out of the pocket Colin, but c J. Stroud is
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a playmaker from the pocket at a really really high level. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of the things that makes sports so great at
all levels, especially football, because we watch these kids in
college for years, so we're emotionally connected. When you get
a surprise, again, his comp was a good player, a
Super Bowl quarterback. But to be this and we saw
it with Lamar Jackson by the way too his second year,
You're just like wow, that transfers from college to pro.
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It makes it so fun and good for CJ. Stroud,
good kid and Texans are for Reel. Greg Cosel forty
five years NFL Films. Thanks Greg, Thanks con appreciate it. Yeah,
it's just you don't get a lot of these at
any position. I mean most of it. If you look
at the history of left tackles, they mostly go in
the first round. If you look at the history of
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great quarterbacks, it's first or early second round. But occasionally
I can remember Dak Prescott and I don't think he's great,
but Dak's good B Plus Mississippi State he had accuracy issues,
but they didn't have a lot of round in bad
ole line. He goes to Dallas with a great old
line and a great run game preseason game.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think at the.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Coliseum, I was like, WHOA that works? And he had
thirteen and three his first year. Every couple of years
you just get a shock you just cannot believe. I mean,
I think Puka Nakua, the receiver for the Rams, who
was unguardable in the NFL. I watched him play at
Washington BYU. I'm like, yeah, he's a rotational guy. He's
the number three. It's like he had like a month
he was the best receiver in the league. So it's
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just what makes the league great. The surprise is the drama.
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It's fun during the break to listen to him. He
kind of gives away some of his picks for the weekend,
so I got to listen in he has really turned
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on McVeigh and Stafford.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
That is not accurate. I was just reading off the
depth chart for the rams of wide receiver. Do you
want to hear it? Yeah, okay, we got two two
out well, not great.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
They got Jordan Whittington, very very interesting rookie out of Texas.
DeMarcus Robinson bounced around the league. Dependable number three Tyler Johnson.
Uh went to Minnesota Golden Gophers. UH went to Tampa.
I think had one great catch with Brady down there.
I remember on the sideline a good solid receiver again
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feels more three.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And that's it. That's it for receivers. They like to
run three receiver sets. Somebody turns an ankle, Colin, what
are we doing.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's very busy.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Blake Korhum Tyron Williams, you run the football, Ronnie Rivers.
Maybe line them up out Presno State.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, look at you're.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Flexing your knowledge and college football players.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I'm a mock draft nerd. I acknowledge that. J Mack
with a news No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
This is the herd line news all right.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Cowboys Ravens Week three, it's a big one. Cowboys got
blasted by the Saints last week. Yesterday on Speak, Michael Irvin,
the playmaker, spoke to the pressure on Mike McCarthy and
whether the Cowboys are still America's team.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I've never ever worried about out that old America's team, Mona,
But now I am. When we start talking about the
lack of people that showed up that training camp and
Jerry we talk about it all the time on his desk.
How much Jerry always wants to promote. That means you
want to be in front of people. And if no
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one's showing up, that means there's a lack of belief
in Cowboy's nation. You better believe there is not too
much pressure that you can put on Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Well, by the way, did you see Irvin's guns. I mean,
what is it with the former players here? James Jones
is wearing tight shirts. These guys are all jacked beyond belief.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well, they were pro athletes, so.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
They were probably years ago, decades ago.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
When you and I work out, and that we don't
have the DNA advantage of being kind of six or
four and jacked. Whether Cowboys could probably use my card,
you know, it's interesting they don't.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Have any receivers either. Ceedee Lamb, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'll argue that Ceedee Lamb is their only truly great player,
because it'd be a great player. You have to be
good home away, regardless of the matchup. Miles Garrett is
good against every tackle.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Watt's good against every tackle. Micah Parsons can disappear against
better tackles. Dak regresses against really good teams. Ceedee Lamb
is Dallas's only great player. To win a Super Bowl,
you gotta have about six guys playing at a high
level in their prime.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So you you had a stat earlier that Lamar's twenty
and one against the NFC, and that what's your reasoning
behind that?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Because if you do not see Lamar Jackson on a
regular basis. He is so shockingly twitchy and fast. You
have nobody on your practice squad that can duplicate it.
I've heard teams in the NFL use receivers in practice.
All right, just kind of run around to see what
Lamar does. Like so's he's a very hard guy. I mean, listen,
Brady was hard to prepare for, but you kind of
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knew what you had. Brilliant pocket guy. Lamar can throw
from the pocket or it's.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He just totally agree.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
That makes all the sense in the world. So I
just what looked at the last Cowboys Ravens matchup? You
remember the last time the Cowboy I do not twenty
twenty Dak was hurt. Andy Dalton was the quarterback. It
was a primetime game, I'm pretty sure. And the Ravens
rushed for like three hundred yards. Lamar two touchdown passes,
rush for like ninety four. The Cowboys haven't seen him
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in four years? Why is this line only one? What
am I missing here?
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I like the Ravens, I do too, But.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Are we missing something? Maybe the Ravens just aren't that good.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Come well, that's possible. The two and Dallas is a
good pass rush. The two lines to me that didn't
make a ton of sense is the Jets favored by six.
So my guess is with the emergence of that rookie
running back in Mike Williams, people feel like the Jets offense,
to Greg co Sell's point, is going to get better
every week, and this week tonight the Jets offense will
pop because it has n't for two weeks. So my
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guess is what you're thinking is Mike Williams, the rookie
running back, is going to get more looks the longer
the season goes, is that the Jets offense has more
growth than I see. This is the NFL telling you,
we just we just don't think the Ravens are that good.
It's hard for me to swallow because they've been good
for the deals to get a decade straight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Let's just say that the Ravens don't blow a ten
point fourth quarter lead against Raiders and they win by
Let's say they went by three or seven.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
They're a toe from being two and zho Okay, what.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
What would you say? The line here is at least three.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
If I would have guessed, I would have swell, it's
in Dallas. I would have said Ravens minus two.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Does Dallas have a home field advantage is significant?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I don't think Well, no, no, no, They've been a very
good home favorite against against bad teams.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Well again, no, they can be favorite against good teams.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
They don't beat good teams a lot, but they're they're
a very good home favorite.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I don't think we know if either of these teams
have a good defense. I think that's reasonable to say, right, Like,
I don't know about the Cowboys. Derek Carr looked like
freaking Tom Rady last week. Yeah. So it is a
great game, very very excited for it, and I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm on the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Next up the Chargers. Boy, what a start under Jim
Harbaugh two and zero JK. Dobbins leaving the NFL in rushing.
What a resurgence. Harball had some all time quotes throughout
the offseason back in those days at Michigan. He's just
a great quote machine. He dropped another one yesterday talking
about his staff of.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The Chargers, like Moses, I'm gonna I'm gonna die leaning
on my staff, Greg Roman, Jesse Minner, Ryan Fick and
those coordinators. Are you know in my opinion that some
of the best in the business.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
He's a machine.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Two best quotes in the league, Tomlin and Harbaugh. I
like the Chargers here if if Herbert plays? What's the
update on Herbert's health?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Waiting for the practice reports? Now now the Charger State East.
Remember it was not like a ton of travel I did.
I am looking into this game. So who's the Chargers
O C.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Colin, Greg Greg Roman? Yeah, Greg Rody come from Baltimore. Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
How often did Pittsburgh see the Greg Roman offense twice
a year for the last three four years?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
That's good?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I called out to be some familiarity here and very
I don't know that Dobbins and gust the bus are
going to go off as easily. They know Romans tendencies,
they know what he likes. And I got a hobbled Herbert.
I kind of liked the Chargers, but I'll probably a stay.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Away right under. Yeah for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Okay, here it is justin. Herbert was back at practice today.
His ankle was heavily taped. So he's in his twenties.
That means he gets to sleep on it Thursday night,
Friday night, Saturday night. So he's gonna have a ginger ankle,
but he should play, and.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
He's going to be running from TJ. Watt the last night.
The last quarterback we saw hobbled running from TJ. Watt
was Kirk Cousins in Week one. How'd that work out?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I think the line on this is appropriately. I think
it's a very low scoring close game. If you give
me the Chargers plus two points, I'd take him at
minus one and a half at stay away. But if
I get two or more for the Chargers, then I
would cause I think it's I think it's the lowest
scoring game of the.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Weekend, lowest scoring total of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think I saw three.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I think it's a So whenever when you get a
total that's like mid or low thirties, take the points.
If you have a if you get a great coach,
I have a coach and a quarterback advantage. In my opinion,
if I'm getting points and it's up to two two
and a half Charger or a good bet.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Hardball's and advantage over Toma, that that might be a push.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well today, really good.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, it's an offensive sport and Gym's an offensive guy.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Well, it's funny you say that. One of your favorite
talking points is always take the defensive coach over.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The offensive coach. No, no, take the offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Defensive coach over defensive Sorry, I got that mixed up.
So far last week defensive coaches throttle offensive coaches eight
and zero.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Heads up.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Defensive coaches are winning. It's early. I know the offense
is weren't there in the preseason, but we're starting to
see some shifts in strategy and offense versus defense.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Colin full time out.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh so, not all defensive coaches won when they faced
offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yes, some of there were defensive defensive head coaches battle.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But there's some.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Stuff happening in this league now. I'm seeing people complain
about the lack of offense, and we need to do adjust things.
This almost NBA ish. Hey, we can't have eighty nine
eighty four NBA games. We need high school I think
scoring down in the NFL some of these games well is.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I have a theory on that which will take too
much time. But we are also seeing the last several
years a lot of young quarterbacks play immediately immediately, and
so we have an infusion. We've had a lot of
quarterbacks drafted in the first round the last several years
outside of the Kenny Pickett year, and they're being asked
to play immediately, and people bail on them at the
(29:54):
end of the year too, like Kenny Pickett, if they
don't see what they like. So this league's gotten very
very The owners now are billionaire. It's all rounding errors.
It used to be you would keep a staff for
another year because you didn't want to pay, you know,
twenty four million dollars. These guys now will write off
of staff. They'll write out forty eight million dollars they
make that in the market. These owners now, it's it's
(30:15):
top The pressure now is top down. The owners are
all billion even the poorest owners a billionaire. And so
what happens is they get more impatient the more money
you have in life. Generally we all get a little impatient.
If we want something, we want it because we can
afford it. I want a car. If you didn't have
the money, you'd wait for another year. If you were rich,
(30:36):
you'd say, IM going to buy out of the lease
and get this car.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I really like.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That's how NFL owners are reacting. They're just getting out
of contracts, out of quarterbacks, let's it's a very impulsive league.
It didn't feel from the owners and by the way,
the coach and the GM can feel that, and so
they're making more drastic, urgent decisions. Yeah, well that's a
good point.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
The final story is the Seahawks want a league's surprising team.
So far two and zero in the NFC West, they
are struggling against the spread oh and two for what
that's worth. DK Metcalf believes the offense is waiting for
an explosion. Here's his response to Jackson Smith the jigba's
breakout game.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
In Week two.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I don't think it was good. I think it's bad
for the defenses that try to cover us from here
on out because you got locked me Jackson. You still
haven't seen Noah. You saw Ken week one. Zach Sharmaney
still has to break out, So I think, you know,
it's just a ticking time to tom bomb.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Interesting team. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I said this nothing against Pete Carroll, but I thought
their last three drafts, when John Schneyder was going to
leave for Detroit Seattle, the Allen family signed him. He
got more power and John Sneyder really controlled the draft
to a greater degree. I think they've had three straight
two for sure, but maybe three straight really good drafts.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I think Seattle's got good personnel. When you watch Seattle play, great.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Corners, dynamic backs, dynamic receivers, they're they're you know, Gino,
and Geno's not asked to do much. Geno complete passes.
He completes like seventy four percent of his throw.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
So for whatever reason, I can never get the right
Geno Smith game. Anytime I back him, he turns into
jet Geno Smith. And then when I don't back him,
he's like, oh, three hundred and eighty five yards, four touchdowns,
and it's like, I can never predict it. What's your
guess Miami against Geno Smith here? I think Seattle's probably
the easiest win of the week.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That's what I keep thinking.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
So why is the line coming down?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's another one, I think. I mean, listen, you're getting.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
With two out.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Seattle's got more good players now, the best players Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, well you know who the number one grated cornerback
is in the league so far, Tyreek Wooland of Seattle.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
No.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, now they did face Bo Nicks and Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So now Seattle's corners are good. They got they have
nailed mid round draft corners not. I think Woten was
a receiver part time in college. They got him fifth
or sixth round. He was a stud.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, Woolen, he's very good. So I like Seattle and
this offense. I think there's something here. No, Kenneth Walker
is not great.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That gets Hurtle lot. Oh he's great.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Sharvion A I know, I know we like him UCLA guy,
but didn't quite see the popa.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Walker's Adam Michigan say, tremendous player.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
He gets dinged up a lot. He runs hard. J
mckle the.
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Speaker 5 (35:11):
And I'm happy I don't have to watch the Jets
on like a side separate TV because they're playing tonight.
I can focus on all the games. Red Zone, Come on,
red Zone, so good, come on the ten good games.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
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Speaker 5 (35:26):
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Speaker 3 (35:28):
Go look at this week's early window.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Not that good.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No, no, no, it's it's there's a lot of drama.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There's a lot of these games that when before the
season started you looked at and you thought, man, and
all of a sudden you got there's some urgency by
week three. You can't go one three gotta be very careful. Okay,
here we go every Thursday at this time to close
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Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's time for big bets. Colin and Jane Matt make
their favorite Big Ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
All right, let's start with a Friday college football game
that I think will be surprisingly entertaining Illinois and Nebraska.
So Nebraska's the most underretted team in college football. This
quarterback Dylan Reyola three straight games over seventy percent. I
think that's the game on USC schedule to watch out for.
Nebraska is absolutely for real, and Brett Bielam has got
Illinois undefeated. I like the over forty three points. I
(36:24):
think there's some scoring here. Luke Kldemarre, the Illinois quarterback, accurate,
not gonna make big mistakes. I think you get two
confident offensive quarterbacks. I like Nebraska to win, But forty
three points. I think Nebraska's gonna be hard to keep
out of the end zone this season.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
That's not good for me. I went Illinois getting eight here.
I think this will be a slobber knocker. I would
lean to the under, but you're killing me in this
Big Ten segment through a couple of weeks here. So
I like the road teams this week, and I'm gonna
give me eight. By the way, I'm seeing in the desert,
seven and a half now, so there is some pulled
down on this one. I literally is a great defensive team, Colin,
(37:03):
I think this is gonna be closer.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
All right, Well, forty three is low, Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Next I'm gonna take USC minus five and a half
at Michigan. So, first of all, Michigan's defensive line is stout,
so I think it's an underplay and that's a lot
of points. But Lincoln Riley off a bye week or
an off week, is eight and three. And Miller Moss,
I'm not saying he's the best quarterback he's ever had.
He may be the most efficient. Dude is completing seventy
(37:29):
two percent of his throws. It is a stacked offensive roster.
They're just all sophomores. It's not deep outside of a receiver.
But this is a multiple offense with a highly effective
quarterback that throws to the right place. Their defense is
well documented now is playing just they shut a team
out in college football two weekswo, I don't care who
it is.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And Michigan second worst total offense in the Big Ten,
the worst passing offense, and now they're switching quarterbacks against
an established elite offensive coach with an offense that's humming.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I like USC to cover here.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yeah, remember when I backed Michigan against Texas like a buffoon,
So then I faded him last week, easy winner, and
I'm fading him again. I'm riding with you in USC here, Colin.
The changing to the quarterback signals to me a little
panicky for the new coach Sharon Moore Michigan. I'm just
not feeling the vibes there, and I like USC to
win and cover this night.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I'm okay, I'm going to take another over Washington. Awful loss.
They're a very good home team at Husky Stadiums. Gonna
be over forty two and a half against Northwestern. So
Jed Fish you saw what he did to Arizona in
a couple of years. Really high end, smart offensive coach
and their quarterback Will Rogers again very competent, seventy two
(38:40):
percent completion of seventy seven percent completion percentage, six touchdowns,
no picks. Washington last week got knocked off their spot
on the road. They come back home. Their run game
they got a transfer from Arizona has It's the best
run game the Huskies have had in several years. I
think Washington it's a sad night game at Husky Stadium.
(39:02):
I think they dropped some big points against the Wildcats.
I'll take the over forty two and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
I will round it out going with another road warrior.
Give me the Michigan State Spartans getting six and a
half at Boston College. Everybody's geeked about this Boston College team.
They fought Missouri hard last week. I know our guy,
Will Blackman is Boston College grad. He's pumping out all
we're back, We're back. Everybody loves Boston College here. So
give you the dog, Michigan State. I think they go
on the road, keep it close, and Sparty covers and
(39:31):
I get back on the winning track of the three
and oho the three road.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
What you're really seeing in all these games between Nebraska
sc Washington at quarterback the quality of college quarterback play.
How many college quarterbacks are completing seventy five percent of
their throws or seventy three seventy four. I mean, Washington's
(39:55):
in an offensive rebuild and their quarterbacks completing over seventy
five percent of their throws.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
The quality of quarterback play at the college level compared
to even ten years ago. It is so much better,
so much more efficient. It just gets incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
If you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
A non Big ten, take a look at cal if
you're interested. I had a buddy who graduated from there,
plugged into the program. Cols good start to the season
for Cows. Just keep an eye on the Bears.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Nebraska is my most underrated team in the country.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
No. I said this two weeks ago when I took
them to I picked him Ducke.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Sobody good because Colorado's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Sorry, they're not all I know that quarterback Miny Mahomes,
the five star quarterback. That dude is for a fresh
he is good. He and Matt Rules a very good
college coach, and they're Nebraska's not doing a ton of
transfer portal, They're doing some.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
They are.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Matt Rule's there for the long haul. He's going all
high school kids in most high school kids. He's building it.
He wants this to be his last job. Can you
win to Nebraska? I think he can with him Hour
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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Rob Low next hour, That'll be fun. Jordan Palmer next
hour too. He's gonna go through all these young quarterbacks.
Greg co selling about three minutes I was talking about this,
I got I got a text from a general manager
in the league last night and that was, you know,
(00:49):
just asking about a lot of these young quarterbacks. That
he said, boy, Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis, you have got
to be concerned. Shane Stikeen is one of the smartest
guys in the league. So it's interesting. Anthony Richardson faces
came Williams this week. It's a surprisingly important game because
you have two young quarterbacks, the greatest quarterback athlete from
last year, and we had all this hope. It has
been bar rutal. I just look now, he's the worst
(01:11):
in the NFL. Since the start of last season, he's
completing fifty five percent of his throws. The best guys
in this league are at sixty six sixty seven. That is,
that's just that. The line of demarcation in the NFL
is sixty percent. Fifty five is not close. And again
Green Bays defense is at all world on throws five
yards downfield. So when you make him throw just down
(01:33):
the field a little bit, his completion percentage is forty percent.
So when he's not doing bubble screens and you just
ask him to throw it down field, he's not an
NFL quarterback. And with that, I'm going to bring in
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL films. Let's talk about that.
I heard you were on the Ross Tucker podcast. I
(01:53):
thought Malik Willis was kind of done. But when I
watched Malik compared to Anthony Richardson, I thought, oh, Malik
is highly functional. This works in the NFL. Now, of
course he has Matt Lafleur, who's now becoming more of
a veteran coach. But you tell me of all these
young quarterbacks, and I'll get to Caleb in a second,
but does Anthony Richardson? Are we getting to a point
where you're looking at thinking, I'm not sure he's an
(02:15):
NFL quarterback?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, colin the way I look at this, and I've
been giving this a lot of thought over the last
couple of years, because what is the college game giving
the NFL. They're giving the NFL quarterbacks that are really
high level athletes. Many of them have big power arms
like Anthony Richardson, and they can make special plays. Look,
we saw him Week one make some special plays. The
problem is is they don't make enough of the routine plays, right, okay,
(02:42):
is the basic concepts, concepts that need to be executed
that pretty much are taught beginning in high school. They
don't make enough of those routine plays. And we don't
talk about that enough. You talked about five yard throws.
I mean there's basic routs, something called why stick or
snag flat, basic route concepts that are simple reads that
(03:04):
a lot of these young quarterbacks with the big arms,
they don't make those throws. They don't throw it the
right way, they throw it too hard, and so now
it becomes a balance. And you know, I'm sure you
think about it as well. What's the balance between being
efficient from the pocket? Let's say it's one to ten,
ten being the best. They don't have to be a ten.
But what's the balance between being efficient in the pocket
(03:27):
and being able to make special plays? Can you be
a really good NFL quarterback if you're a four from
the pocket just because you can make a special play
here and there. And by the way, those special plays
don't happen every week.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right, So let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Let's talk about guys that have been in the leg
a while. I was really high on Trevor Lawrence out
of college. You push back a lot. You told me
second year, You're like, he's not Josh Allen. He's not
that You are right on this. He does not win
enough games. Now, he's got size, he is mobile, he's
got a good enough arm. But you tell me what's
(04:01):
been the issue this year with Trevor Lawrence. Somebody who
all has been a little skeptical about.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, and I like Trevor Lawrence. I mean I thought
he threw the ball extremely well Week one this past week.
I thought he missed a few throws that were there
to be made. I thought his offensive line didn't play
particularly well. Keep in mind, and I thought about this
when he came out of Clemson. He's a big, long athletes.
By the way, he's a very good athlete. He throws
the ball really well on the run. But he's a
(04:29):
strider as a quarterback. So what happens a lot with
Trevor is not that he can't make throws. He can
make every throw, but when the pocket gets a little
squeeze Colin, because he's a strider, he tends to speed
everything up. He speeds up his mechanics, he speeds up
his delivery, and at times that leads to some lost
(04:49):
energy on certain throws, and it leads to him missing
some throws with poor ball placement. But I think if
he's protected, and of course I know we could say
this about any quarterback, but there's no question good enough
physically to be a top ten quarterback in the league.
It hasn't quite worked out that way on a week
to week basis, but he's got those traits. But I
(05:09):
think there are some things that still need to be
cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So somebody we both liked out of college. I probably
more than you even I have been surprised that Sam Darnald,
without his number one receiver, number two receiver, number one
tight end, was moving the ball in the Niners. So
is it scheme with Kevin O'Connell? Has Donald cleaned up
his you know, you know his mechanics? Like, what are
(05:32):
you seeing with Donald who has been really strong?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah? I think that it's some with mechanics because Kevin
O'Connell is really really good with lower body mechanics and
the coordination of lower body mechanics and upper body mechanics.
Because quarterbacks start from the ground up. That's where it starts.
And the other thing is scheme. Look, every offensive coordinator
in this league, Colin is trying to get the ball
(05:58):
to the primary read on every player. We know that
doesn't happen all the time, but some coaches are better
than others at doing that based on their route concepts
versus anticipated coverages. And Kevin O'Connell's very very good at that.
So you're seeing a quarterback that's far more decisive. Look,
you like San Darnold from the time he came out
(06:19):
of USC you know he's gifted as a thrower. There's
no problem with his physical traits. As an NFL quarterback,
there never was. The problem at times seemed to be
decision making, his ability to eliminate and isolate the right throw.
So if you can really help him by defining that
primary read, more often than not, he'll throw the ball
(06:40):
really well. And through two games that's been the case.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I had somebody tell me, and it's been confirmed that
Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay didn't like a lot of
cute motion. He didn't want to look like Miami San
Francisco McVeigh.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Okay, that was fine because he had better personnel and
a better coach in Green Bay. He goes to New York.
Through two games, in my take is it's a remedial offense.
It doesn't move a lot right, and he's no longer
an athlete. He's closer to Kirk Cousins than Mahomes. And
I think, if you're not gonna escape the pocket like
a golf, a Kirk Cousins and now Aaron Rodgers, you
(07:18):
got to give me some bells and whistles. You got
to give me some movement. It becomes much more imperative.
If there's nothing offscript, you have to be superior on script.
I've watched the Jets first two weeks, Greg, I'm an
amateur at this. It looks very predictable. I mean, even
their first several series, it's four yards point four. Those
(07:39):
are scripted plays. What's wrong with the offense or is
it just limited in personnel.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I don't think it's limited in personnel. Now that Mike
Williams is back, you've got the big boundary X. He
made a big catch this week on the fourth quarter
touchdown drive on a back shoulder fade. They've got Garrett Wilson,
who is a truly movable chess piece and a really
really good receiver. I think they've got some quality tight ends.
They've got Breise Hall, They've got Allen who's a nice compliment.
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So I don't think it's a lack of personnel. I
think in some ways what Rogers could be saying. And
you know, again, I don't know how he thinks about this,
but Rogers is so smart that I'm sure he feels
that if the defense is static and he knows where
they're going to be, even if there's some disguise in
late rotation. He has a feel for what that would
be based on their initial look. Then he feels extremely
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comfortable knowing where he's going to go with the ball.
I mean, he is incredibly intelligent as a quarterback and
he sees everything when you start with motion. Don't forget
the defense also moves too, and sometimes it can be
predictable in its movement and sometimes not. So my sense
is he probably likes the defense static. Now I think
it's only game two. It's two games, so we'll see.
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I think this offense develop and evolve as the year progresses.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Okay, that's fair, especially with the emergence of Mike Williams. Again,
really unique body type that's hard to defend. So a
quarterback you like for a long time that doesn't get
a lot of love as Kirk Cousins. So last year
with all these same pieces, they just were in anemic
and I don't you know, we don't think of Kirk
Cousins as this dynamic athlete. I mean, you know, I
don't know if he's that much bigger than Desmond Ritter,
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but you watched him mow through in the last drive
against Philadelphia, and that's high level quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The audience.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The fans may not love him, and fantasy people may
not love him, But what is he providing that the
guy last year couldn't even move the ball?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think you're dealing with what we started this
conversation with is that people now tend to respond far
more to those outside of structure plays, with the assumption
being that you can't be a quality the NFL quarterback
unless you can make those kinds of plays. Cousins is
a professional pocket quarterback. He knows how to read defenses.
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He knows how to play with timing and rhythm. He
knows where the ball should go. He knows Colin how
to make the right throw to the right receiver at
the right time. Is he going to be dynamic with
his legs? No. Are there going to be games here
and there where the defense wins and he doesn't play
at a high level. Yes, that's going to happen. But
he is a professional quarterback who knows how to play
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from the pocket, knows how to deliver the football, understands
what he's looking at. There's always going to be a
place for that kind of quarterback in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So Arizona. When you start looking at their personnel. Every
year there's a team that shocks us. And they lost
to Buffalo, but in the manner in which they lost. McBride, Connor,
now Marvin Harrison, Kyler, Murray's elusiveness and ball placement. You
start looking at them and you're like, I don't know.
I know the Rams were beat up. I thought Kyler
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was the best football player in the National Football League
last weekend. I thought he was insane just in terms
of his ability to move the pocket, deliver the foot ball.
I don't know if you love Kyler, your take on
this new staff, these new weapons is maybe he turned
a page.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I don't think we know the answer to that yet. Now,
certainly he's going to make those kinds of plays we've
been speaking about. He made a couple of those last
week against the Rams, and he'll always do that. That's
the kind of quarterback he is. Because of his size,
he tends to play a little forrenetically, but that's just
who he is. He's always going to be that guy.
The question is how efficient can he be from the pocket.
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I mean, we just saw the sixty yard touchdown to
Marvin Harrison. That was a great play by Kyler because
that play was actually designed to be a throwback past
to McBride, and he didn't feel like he had the throw,
so he kept rolling out and then he hit Harrison,
who also did a great job not abandoning his route.
But Kyler's always going to make plays outside of structure.
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The question is can he make those necessary plays from
in the pocket. And he made a few throws last
week that I thought were really really good from the pocket.
And if he can get better at that, you know,
he'll never be Tom Brady or Drew Brees. But if
he can get better at that, then he can be
a really good quarterback on a weekly basis, as opposed
to a spectacular quarterback that is a game to gain proposition.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Let's circle back now, Colts Bears this week to Caleb Williams.
So I had Matt Hasselbeck on Monday and I was
lamenting the Bears offensive line and he shook his head
and said a lot of these are on, Caleb. So
you've been doing this looking at film for forty five years.
Who's to blame for what appears to be It's like
backyard football. It's like man overboard on every snap when
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he throws it.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Colin There's a significant difference which I think a lot
of people are unclear about, between leaving the pocket and
making plays with your legs outside the pocket and moving
within the pocket. Those are two totally different things for
people who are older like myself and can think of
Dan Marino a master at moving within the pocket. Tom Brady,
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who probably ran a six flat forty, a master at
moving within the pocket. That is an area that Caleb
Williams needs to get better at. We know he can
be great getting out of the pocket, but those are
two different traits. That is one area he needs to
get better at, and one thing that he has to
stop doing in the NFL is retreating backwards. You can't
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retreat backwards in the NFL. There may be one quarterback
I've ever seen that can do that, and that's Lamar Jackson,
but you can't play that way. So he has to
learn to move within the pocket to sort of find
a quiet space in which to deliver the football. Because
I'll tell you what, the ball comes out of his
hand beautifully. He is a beautiful throw over the football.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, before we get to the big play, my hometown
Seahawks are two to zero. My friends are always like,
we got to get a quarterback. But with this defense
and this coach, you can win a lot of games
with their weapons and their running game. With Gino Smith,
Gino's a big guy who throws strikes. He's an accurate
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and so I think Seattle is one of those teams
all of us in the sportscasting business we're like, if
this coach is as good as like a Demiico Ryans,
we've seen bad teams or average teams get good fast.
What do you make of Gino and the Seahawks overall?
On this new team, this new coach.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, Colin, I have to admit, I think people still
think of Gino Smith from ten years ago. Gino Smith
has developed into a pretty sound quarterback. He throws the
ball really well. I think that the system they have
now with Ryan Grubb from the University of Washington is
a good one because he's very good at designing intermediate
and vertical route concepts, and Gino can make every throw.
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They've got three really really good weapons on the perimeter,
and Noah Fan is a quality tight end that actually
has some speed. So I actually like their offense. I
like the design of it, and I think Gino is
a good th over the football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That'll make all my Pacific Northwest friends happy. Finally a quarterback.
His comp out of college, and by the way, this
is a good comp was Jared Goff with a little
better mobility. And I remember watching mid Ohio State and
I said, that's a good comp. That's a really lancs
zer Line made that comp as a kind of a
scout and I'm like, yeah, like that comp. But like Goff,
I didn't see a lot of Jews. Athletically, Well, he's
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got more. We saw him against Georgie ran around. You're like,
like Herbert at Oregon in his last game against Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They didn't let him run. He did and you're like,
oh Herbert can move. Oh c J.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Stroud can move. But it's the pocket stuff. To me,
he is a complete outlier. I said this this week.
Forget the layups. I mean he didn't even think about those.
Like Mahomes, his ability to make hard throws and they're
seemingly effortless. The ball just comes out. It's I mean,
it jumps off the television, does it not.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, let me tell you something, Colin. This kid, as
far as timing into disipation, making window throws between the
numbers versus his own coverage. This kid is really high level.
I remember watching Week two his rookie year last year
against the Colts and thinking, wow, I haven't seen this
from a lot of veteran quarterbacks. And you're one hundred
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percent right. And you don't see that a lot in
college because the college game is different, with the hashmarks wider,
you don't see a lot of those tight window throws
that just require such an innate natural feel for timing
and anticipation. If you were sitting with me watching tape
when he starts his delivery, when he first separates his hands,
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you'd say, who's he throwing it to? And then he
throws it to an open space, and all of a sudden,
there's Nico Collins, there's Tank Dell. He is a master.
He's really high level. And actually, the play we're going
to look at, if you want to get to it,
is a perfect, perfect example of that. It's from last week.
It's the touchdown against a touchdown he threw to Nico Collins,
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and you're seeing it now, and we'll take a look
at it because it's really good on so many different levels.
Now you're going to see Stroud, he's going to be
in the gun right here, and there's going to be
a three by one set and they do this a
lot with Nico Collins. What we call the boundary X,
the single receiver to the short side of the field. Now,
what Stroud's looking at is what we call a too
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high structure. He sees two deep safeties, so the middle
is open right now, and this look could be two
man coverage. That could be the pre snap look, so
he has to be aware of that. It looks like
it could be man to man across the board with
two high safeties. Now as this play starts, it's not
going to be that, but he doesn't know that before
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the play starts. So now as we start to run this,
you're going to see it's going to become a different coverage.
It's going to become Cover two. Now there's still going
to be too deep safeties, but the corners are not
playing man to man coverage. So there you see the
two deep safeties and you're going to see the underneath
coverage as well. They retreated, so you know it's not
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because they retreated backwards. So now what you're going to
get here is going to be working against Cover two,
not two man coverage. So there's the coverage. So now
where's a void? One void and Cover two is right
in the middle. Yep. So now Nico Collins is running
an inbreaking route into that void. But it's when he
delivers this football. He delivers this football before Collins clears
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that underneath defender. This is the timing and anticipation and
just the natural feel for when to deliver the football.
These are not easy throws. They look easy the way
he does this. He does this all the time. So
I would argue that he's a playmaker from the pocket.
We think of quarterbacks who are playmakers when they run
out of the pocket Colin, but c J. Stroud is
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a playmaker from the pocket at a really really high level. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of the things that makes sports so great at
all levels, especially football, because we watch these kids in
college for years, so we're emotionally connected. When you get
a surprise, again, his comp was a good player, a
Super Bowl quarterback. But to be this and we saw
it with Lamar Jackson by the way too his second year,
You're just like wow, that transfers from college to pro.
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It makes it so fun and good for CJ. Stroud,
good kid and Texans are for Reel. Greg Cosel forty
five years NFL Films. Thanks Greg, Thanks con appreciate it. Yeah,
it's just you don't get a lot of these at
any position. I mean most of it. If you look
at the history of left tackles, they mostly go in
the first round. If you look at the history of
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great quarterbacks, it's first or early second round. But occasionally
I can remember Dak Prescott and I don't think he's great,
but Dak's good B Plus Mississippi State he had accuracy issues,
but they didn't have a lot of round in bad
ole line. He goes to Dallas with a great old
line and a great run game preseason game.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think at the.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Coliseum, I was like, WHOA that works? And he had
thirteen and three his first year. Every couple of years
you just get a shock you just cannot believe. I mean,
I think Puka Nakua, the receiver for the Rams, who
was unguardable in the NFL. I watched him play at
Washington BYU. I'm like, yeah, he's a rotational guy. He's
the number three. It's like he had like a month
he was the best receiver in the league. So it's
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just what makes the league great. The surprise is the drama.
One more Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
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to listen live or on demand whenever you like j Mack.
It's fun during the break to listen to him. He
kind of gives away some of his picks for the weekend,
so I got to listen in he has really turned
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on McVeigh and Stafford.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
That is not accurate. I was just reading off the
depth chart for the rams of wide receiver. Do you
want to hear it? Yeah, okay, we got two two
out well, not great.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
They got Jordan Whittington, very very interesting rookie out of Texas.
DeMarcus Robinson bounced around the league. Dependable number three Tyler Johnson.
Uh went to Minnesota Golden Gophers. UH went to Tampa.
I think had one great catch with Brady down there.
I remember on the sideline a good solid receiver again
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feels more three.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
And that's it. That's it for receivers. They like to
run three receiver sets. Somebody turns an ankle, Colin, what
are we doing.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's very busy.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Blake Korhum Tyron Williams, you run the football, Ronnie Rivers.
Maybe line them up out Presno State.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, look at you're.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Flexing your knowledge and college football players.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I'm a mock draft nerd. I acknowledge that. J Mack
with a news No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
This is the herd line news all right.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Cowboys Ravens Week three, it's a big one. Cowboys got
blasted by the Saints last week. Yesterday on Speak, Michael Irvin,
the playmaker, spoke to the pressure on Mike McCarthy and
whether the Cowboys are still America's team.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I've never ever worried about out that old America's team, Mona,
But now I am. When we start talking about the
lack of people that showed up that training camp and
Jerry we talk about it all the time on his desk.
How much Jerry always wants to promote. That means you
want to be in front of people. And if no
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one's showing up, that means there's a lack of belief
in Cowboy's nation. You better believe there is not too
much pressure that you can put on Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Well, by the way, did you see Irvin's guns. I mean,
what is it with the former players here? James Jones
is wearing tight shirts. These guys are all jacked beyond belief.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well, they were pro athletes, so.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
They were probably years ago, decades ago.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
When you and I work out, and that we don't
have the DNA advantage of being kind of six or
four and jacked. Whether Cowboys could probably use my card,
you know, it's interesting they don't.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Have any receivers either. Ceedee Lamb, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'll argue that Ceedee Lamb is their only truly great player,
because it'd be a great player. You have to be
good home away, regardless of the matchup. Miles Garrett is
good against every tackle.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Watt's good against every tackle. Micah Parsons can disappear against
better tackles. Dak regresses against really good teams. Ceedee Lamb
is Dallas's only great player. To win a Super Bowl,
you gotta have about six guys playing at a high
level in their prime.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So you you had a stat earlier that Lamar's twenty
and one against the NFC, and that what's your reasoning
behind that?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Because if you do not see Lamar Jackson on a
regular basis. He is so shockingly twitchy and fast. You
have nobody on your practice squad that can duplicate it.
I've heard teams in the NFL use receivers in practice.
All right, just kind of run around to see what
Lamar does. Like so's he's a very hard guy. I mean, listen,
Brady was hard to prepare for, but you kind of
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knew what you had. Brilliant pocket guy. Lamar can throw
from the pocket or it's.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He just totally agree.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
That makes all the sense in the world. So I
just what looked at the last Cowboys Ravens matchup? You
remember the last time the Cowboy I do not twenty
twenty Dak was hurt. Andy Dalton was the quarterback. It
was a primetime game, I'm pretty sure. And the Ravens
rushed for like three hundred yards. Lamar two touchdown passes,
rush for like ninety four. The Cowboys haven't seen him
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in four years? Why is this line only one? What
am I missing here?
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I like the Ravens, I do too, But.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Are we missing something? Maybe the Ravens just aren't that good.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Come well, that's possible. The two and Dallas is a
good pass rush. The two lines to me that didn't
make a ton of sense is the Jets favored by six.
So my guess is with the emergence of that rookie
running back in Mike Williams, people feel like the Jets offense,
to Greg co Sell's point, is going to get better
every week, and this week tonight the Jets offense will
pop because it has n't for two weeks. So my
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guess is what you're thinking is Mike Williams, the rookie
running back, is going to get more looks the longer
the season goes, is that the Jets offense has more
growth than I see. This is the NFL telling you,
we just we just don't think the Ravens are that good.
It's hard for me to swallow because they've been good
for the deals to get a decade straight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Let's just say that the Ravens don't blow a ten
point fourth quarter lead against Raiders and they win by
Let's say they went by three or seven.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
They're a toe from being two and zho Okay, what.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
What would you say? The line here is at least three.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
If I would have guessed, I would have swell, it's
in Dallas. I would have said Ravens minus two.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Does Dallas have a home field advantage is significant?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I don't think Well, no, no, no, They've been a very
good home favorite against against bad teams.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Well again, no, they can be favorite against good teams.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
They don't beat good teams a lot, but they're they're
a very good home favorite.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I don't think we know if either of these teams
have a good defense. I think that's reasonable to say, right, Like,
I don't know about the Cowboys. Derek Carr looked like
freaking Tom Rady last week. Yeah. So it is a
great game, very very excited for it, and I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm on the Ravens.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Next up the Chargers. Boy, what a start under Jim
Harbaugh two and zero JK. Dobbins leaving the NFL in rushing.
What a resurgence. Harball had some all time quotes throughout
the offseason back in those days at Michigan. He's just
a great quote machine. He dropped another one yesterday talking
about his staff of.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
The Chargers, like Moses, I'm gonna I'm gonna die leaning
on my staff, Greg Roman, Jesse Minner, Ryan Fick and
those coordinators. Are you know in my opinion that some
of the best in the business.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
He's a machine.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Two best quotes in the league, Tomlin and Harbaugh. I
like the Chargers here if if Herbert plays? What's the
update on Herbert's health?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Waiting for the practice reports? Now now the Charger State East.
Remember it was not like a ton of travel I did.
I am looking into this game. So who's the Chargers
O C.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Colin, Greg Greg Roman? Yeah, Greg Rody come from Baltimore. Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
How often did Pittsburgh see the Greg Roman offense twice
a year for the last three four years?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
That's good?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I called out to be some familiarity here and very
I don't know that Dobbins and gust the bus are
going to go off as easily. They know Romans tendencies,
they know what he likes. And I got a hobbled Herbert.
I kind of liked the Chargers, but I'll probably a stay.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Away right under. Yeah for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Okay, here it is justin. Herbert was back at practice today.
His ankle was heavily taped. So he's in his twenties.
That means he gets to sleep on it Thursday night,
Friday night, Saturday night. So he's gonna have a ginger ankle,
but he should play, and.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
He's going to be running from TJ. Watt the last night.
The last quarterback we saw hobbled running from TJ. Watt
was Kirk Cousins in Week one. How'd that work out?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I think the line on this is appropriately. I think
it's a very low scoring close game. If you give
me the Chargers plus two points, I'd take him at
minus one and a half at stay away. But if
I get two or more for the Chargers, then I
would cause I think it's I think it's the lowest
scoring game of the.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Weekend, lowest scoring total of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think I saw three.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I think it's a So whenever when you get a
total that's like mid or low thirties, take the points.
If you have a if you get a great coach,
I have a coach and a quarterback advantage. In my opinion,
if I'm getting points and it's up to two two
and a half Charger or a good bet.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Hardball's and advantage over Toma, that that might be a push.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well today, really good.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, it's an offensive sport and Gym's an offensive guy.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Well, it's funny you say that. One of your favorite
talking points is always take the defensive coach over.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The offensive coach. No, no, take the offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Defensive coach over defensive Sorry, I got that mixed up.
So far last week defensive coaches throttle offensive coaches eight
and zero.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Heads up.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Defensive coaches are winning. It's early. I know the offense
is weren't there in the preseason, but we're starting to
see some shifts in strategy and offense versus defense.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Colin full time out.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh so, not all defensive coaches won when they faced
offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yes, some of there were defensive defensive head coaches battle.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But there's some.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Stuff happening in this league now. I'm seeing people complain
about the lack of offense, and we need to do adjust things.
This almost NBA ish. Hey, we can't have eighty nine
eighty four NBA games. We need high school I think
scoring down in the NFL some of these games well is.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I have a theory on that which will take too
much time. But we are also seeing the last several
years a lot of young quarterbacks play immediately immediately, and
so we have an infusion. We've had a lot of
quarterbacks drafted in the first round the last several years
outside of the Kenny Pickett year, and they're being asked
to play immediately, and people bail on them at the
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end of the year too, like Kenny Pickett, if they
don't see what they like. So this league's gotten very
very The owners now are billionaire. It's all rounding errors.
It used to be you would keep a staff for
another year because you didn't want to pay, you know,
twenty four million dollars. These guys now will write off
of staff. They'll write out forty eight million dollars they
make that in the market. These owners now, it's it's
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top The pressure now is top down. The owners are
all billion even the poorest owners a billionaire. And so
what happens is they get more impatient the more money
you have in life. Generally we all get a little impatient.
If we want something, we want it because we can
afford it. I want a car. If you didn't have
the money, you'd wait for another year. If you were rich,
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you'd say, IM going to buy out of the lease
and get this car.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I really like.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That's how NFL owners are reacting. They're just getting out
of contracts, out of quarterbacks, let's it's a very impulsive league.
It didn't feel from the owners and by the way,
the coach and the GM can feel that, and so
they're making more drastic, urgent decisions. Yeah, well that's a
good point.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
The final story is the Seahawks want a league's surprising team.
So far two and zero in the NFC West, they
are struggling against the spread oh and two for what
that's worth. DK Metcalf believes the offense is waiting for
an explosion. Here's his response to Jackson Smith the jigba's
breakout game.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
In Week two.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I don't think it was good. I think it's bad
for the defenses that try to cover us from here
on out because you got locked me Jackson. You still
haven't seen Noah. You saw Ken week one. Zach Sharmaney
still has to break out, So I think, you know,
it's just a ticking time to tom bomb.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Interesting team. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I said this nothing against Pete Carroll, but I thought
their last three drafts, when John Schneyder was going to
leave for Detroit Seattle, the Allen family signed him. He
got more power and John Sneyder really controlled the draft
to a greater degree. I think they've had three straight
two for sure, but maybe three straight really good drafts.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I think Seattle's got good personnel. When you watch Seattle play, great.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Corners, dynamic backs, dynamic receivers, they're they're you know, Gino,
and Geno's not asked to do much. Geno complete passes.
He completes like seventy four percent of his throw.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
So for whatever reason, I can never get the right
Geno Smith game. Anytime I back him, he turns into
jet Geno Smith. And then when I don't back him,
he's like, oh, three hundred and eighty five yards, four touchdowns,
and it's like, I can never predict it. What's your
guess Miami against Geno Smith here? I think Seattle's probably
the easiest win of the week.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That's what I keep thinking.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
So why is the line coming down?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's another one, I think. I mean, listen, you're getting.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
With two out.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Seattle's got more good players now, the best players Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, well you know who the number one grated cornerback
is in the league so far, Tyreek Wooland of Seattle.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
No.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, now they did face Bo Nicks and Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So now Seattle's corners are good. They got they have
nailed mid round draft corners not. I think Woten was
a receiver part time in college. They got him fifth
or sixth round. He was a stud.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, Woolen, he's very good. So I like Seattle and
this offense. I think there's something here. No, Kenneth Walker
is not great.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That gets Hurtle lot. Oh he's great.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Sharvion A I know, I know we like him UCLA guy,
but didn't quite see the popa.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Walker's Adam Michigan say, tremendous player.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
He gets dinged up a lot. He runs hard. J
mckle the.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
The Herd Line News.
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Sunday, it's an NFL doublehead on Fox as Jalen Hurts
leaves Eagles against the Saints or other regional action. Then
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Speaker 1 (35:05):
After those are good games. Egos say, Fox got the
good games this weekend. Fox got the good ones, the
best early, the best late.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
And I'm happy I don't have to watch the Jets
on like a side separate TV because they're playing tonight.
I can focus on all the games. Red Zone, Come on,
red Zone, so good, come on the ten good games.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Now, last week's one o'clock window Eastern ten Pacific was
the best early window I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
It's like eleven games.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Go look at this week's early window.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Not that good.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No, no, no, it's it's there's a lot of drama.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
There's a lot of these games that when before the
season started you looked at and you thought, man, and
all of a sudden you got there's some urgency by
week three. You can't go one three gotta be very careful. Okay,
here we go every Thursday at this time to close
the second hour, our best bets from the Big ten.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's time for big bets. Colin and Jane Matt make
their favorite Big Ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
All right, let's start with a Friday college football game
that I think will be surprisingly entertaining Illinois and Nebraska.
So Nebraska's the most underretted team in college football. This
quarterback Dylan Reyola three straight games over seventy percent. I
think that's the game on USC schedule to watch out for.
Nebraska is absolutely for real, and Brett Bielam has got
Illinois undefeated. I like the over forty three points. I
(36:24):
think there's some scoring here. Luke Kldemarre, the Illinois quarterback, accurate,
not gonna make big mistakes. I think you get two
confident offensive quarterbacks. I like Nebraska to win, But forty
three points. I think Nebraska's gonna be hard to keep
out of the end zone this season.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
That's not good for me. I went Illinois getting eight here.
I think this will be a slobber knocker. I would
lean to the under, but you're killing me in this
Big Ten segment through a couple of weeks here. So
I like the road teams this week, and I'm gonna
give me eight. By the way, I'm seeing in the desert,
seven and a half now, so there is some pulled
down on this one. I literally is a great defensive team, Colin,
(37:03):
I think this is gonna be closer.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
All right, Well, forty three is low, Okay.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Next I'm gonna take USC minus five and a half
at Michigan. So, first of all, Michigan's defensive line is stout,
so I think it's an underplay and that's a lot
of points. But Lincoln Riley off a bye week or
an off week, is eight and three. And Miller Moss,
I'm not saying he's the best quarterback he's ever had.
He may be the most efficient. Dude is completing seventy
(37:29):
two percent of his throws. It is a stacked offensive roster.
They're just all sophomores. It's not deep outside of a receiver.
But this is a multiple offense with a highly effective
quarterback that throws to the right place. Their defense is
well documented now is playing just they shut a team
out in college football two weekswo, I don't care who
it is.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And Michigan second worst total offense in the Big Ten,
the worst passing offense, and now they're switching quarterbacks against
an established elite offensive coach with an offense that's humming.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I like USC to cover here.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yeah, remember when I backed Michigan against Texas like a buffoon,
So then I faded him last week, easy winner, and
I'm fading him again. I'm riding with you in USC here, Colin.
The changing to the quarterback signals to me a little
panicky for the new coach Sharon Moore Michigan. I'm just
not feeling the vibes there, and I like USC to
win and cover this night.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I'm okay, I'm going to take another over Washington. Awful loss.
They're a very good home team at Husky Stadiums. Gonna
be over forty two and a half against Northwestern. So
Jed Fish you saw what he did to Arizona in
a couple of years. Really high end, smart offensive coach
and their quarterback Will Rogers again very competent, seventy two
(38:40):
percent completion of seventy seven percent completion percentage, six touchdowns,
no picks. Washington last week got knocked off their spot
on the road. They come back home. Their run game
they got a transfer from Arizona has It's the best
run game the Huskies have had in several years. I
think Washington it's a sad night game at Husky Stadium.
(39:02):
I think they dropped some big points against the Wildcats.
I'll take the over forty two and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
I will round it out going with another road warrior.
Give me the Michigan State Spartans getting six and a
half at Boston College. Everybody's geeked about this Boston College team.
They fought Missouri hard last week. I know our guy,
Will Blackman is Boston College grad. He's pumping out all
we're back, We're back. Everybody loves Boston College here. So
give you the dog, Michigan State. I think they go
on the road, keep it close, and Sparty covers and
(39:31):
I get back on the winning track of the three
and oho the three road.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
What you're really seeing in all these games between Nebraska
sc Washington at quarterback the quality of college quarterback play.
How many college quarterbacks are completing seventy five percent of
their throws or seventy three seventy four. I mean, Washington's
(39:55):
in an offensive rebuild and their quarterbacks completing over seventy
five percent of their throws.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
The quality of quarterback play at the college level compared
to even ten years ago. It is so much better,
so much more efficient. It just gets incredible.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
If you're looking for.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
A non Big ten, take a look at cal if
you're interested. I had a buddy who graduated from there,
plugged into the program. Cols good start to the season
for Cows. Just keep an eye on the Bears.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Nebraska is my most underrated team in the country.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
In the country.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
No. I said this two weeks ago when I took
them to I picked him Ducke.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Sobody good because Colorado's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Sorry, they're not all I know that quarterback Miny Mahomes,
the five star quarterback. That dude is for a fresh
he is good. He and Matt Rules a very good
college coach, and they're Nebraska's not doing a ton of
transfer portal, They're doing some.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
They are.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Matt Rule's there for the long haul. He's going all
high school kids in most high school kids. He's building it.
He wants this to be his last job. Can you
win to Nebraska? I think he can with him Hour
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