September 19, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin shares some interesting stats about Aaron Rodgers and why this could be bad news for the Jets
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But it's interesting tonight. So you and I love betting
the NFL. And in college you see touchdown fourteen point,
you know, I mean Alabama was a six team point
favored over Wisconsin. In Wisconsin it's lopsided. There's like eight programs,
maybe ten, just better players. You know, your Ohio States,
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in your Texas, Georgia. But in the NFL, the Bears
were only a six point underdog to the Texans. And
we think the Texans are the best team in their
division and could challenge for the AFC Championship. We think
the Bears may be a fourth place team. So a
six point spread in the NFL is a big deal. Tonight,
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the Jets are six point favored against New England. New
England doesn't beat themselves. One of only three teams in
the NFL with no turnovers, and the Jets offense is
twentieth in the NFL in yards per play. They're not
moving the ball, so it's amazing to me. It's like
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when you see lines that are six. I mean Atlanta.
Everybody thought Atlanta was going to go to Philadelphia and
get in Philadelphia, and it was like, what a five
point spread? Five and a half points spread. The NFL
odds makers are thinking tonight is a blowout in the
Jets favor, But Tennessee beat themselves as much as the
Jets did. Will Levis is in the Bad Judgment Hall
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of Fame. They had a punt block to turnovers. You're
not gonna get any of that from New England tonight.
And to me, one of the things I'm trying to
figure out in the first two or three weeks of
the NFL is what's real and what's hype. And to
this point, we have to be honest. Aaron and the
Jets are a lot of hype. Three weeks ago, it
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was Super Bowl talk. It's nonsense. They're twentieth in yards
for play, twenty seventh in total offense, and it's Nat
Hackett running the show. But I went even deeper on
this because you know, San Francisco is an opener. Is tough.
Aaron Rodgers was viewed as a savior. Now He's talented,
no doubt, but how talented in his last twenty starts,
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and remember it's overwhelmingly Green Bay starts. And when he
was starting his last couple of years in Green Bay.
Detroit was twenty ninth in the NFL in defense, Minnesota
was thirtieth in Chicago was last his last year in
Green Bay. So he got multiple starts from the worst
defenses in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers did forget to win
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loss record. He had a ninety one passer rating that
is closer to the quarterback he will face tonight, Jacoby
Brissett than the elite guys in the league. I mean,
Lamar Jackson gets criticized for pocket passing. He's one, O two,
and he can run. Aaron's forty doesn't run. He's solely
a pocket guy, and he's he's slightly better than Jacoby
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Brissett as a pocket guy. And they're a six point
favorite tonight. And one of the things I've always loved
about the NFL, it's not a nostalgia league. Yesterday, I'm
driving around. They turned on a radio show on Sirius
Exam and they're talking of baseball in the sixties, and
like nobody you never turn on a football show, and
it's like, let's talk about Hugh mclhaney. Anybody want to
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take a call on Otto Graham. Football is a now sport.
It's not even Hollywood. They don't give out lifetime Achievement
awards while you're still playing. They do that in Hollywood
while you're still acting. So right now, Aaron's immobile, expensive,
he doesn't have a rushing yard this season, and fifty
four dropbacks, and he's coming off an injury, so he's
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not quite totally in unison with the left side of
the offensive line. You know, he's throwing with a little
lack of trust right now. So, like tonight's game is gigantic.
If they lose tonight, and Atlanta just went to Philadelphia
and won as a similar dog. If they lose tonight,
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in two weeks they face high flying Minnesota. Three weeks
they face Buffalo. I think this game is gigantic, and
there's just this sense that, well, this is a given.
Tonight Watchnuah Jee. New England beat Cincinnati. New England took
undefended Seattle overtime, and the Jets are a six point favorite.
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It's crazy. I mean I I it's I Usually the
market's never fooled. This line is so big to me.
It's as if there is something the draft kings of
the world see that I can't but look around. Last week,
the first week of the NFL season, there was only
one touchdown or more favorite. It was Cincinnati over New England.
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Monday Night was one of the more lopsided. Sunday Night Bears,
Texans Bears fought to the end. Monday Night Falcons Eagles,
those were like big NFL margins. Jets. Th Under, a
six point favorite for a quarterback in his last twenty starts,
has a ninety one passer rating. Here's Aaron on tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Been a long time since I took the field at
so a lot of emotions.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Body feels good so well as good as a can
on a short week. But it'll be fun out there
with the crowd. Night games. I love night games, so
excited about it. Not you know, no one's real crazy
about Thursday games, but everybody loves Thursday, the weekend after
the Thursday games.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All Right, I guess I'll take the Jets to night.
The betting market is telling me it's got a chance
to be a blowout. Every number I'm looking at doesn't
tell me that, but I have to take the Jets
to win. So the most interesting game of the weekend.
And I love when this happens. It's the Ravens and Cowboys,
and not just because it's the Cowboys. The Cowboys getting
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housed at home by the Saints has made this game fascinating.
If Dallas was two and oh, it wouldn't feel the
same way. But Dallas with the coach in the hot seat,
is now one in one coming off a blowout loss
again at home like the Packers. But the fascinating part
of this is I love when you get two quarterbacks
who we argue and debate over, and we do with
Lamar and Dak, and they're on the same field. One's
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in ones out, ones in ones out. That's when you
can really compare them. You know a lot of times,
you know, I like this guy, but he plays an
easy opponent. I don't like this guy, but he plays
a hard They're playing each other, both with better than
average defenses. And what's interesting is Lamar, though he's elite,
is probably the only really great quarterback in this league
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that's constantly criticized. And Dak, whose B to B plus
has been elevated by everybody. He's currently the highest paid
football player in the history of the league. Dak Prescott
is is viewed as elite. And so what's interesting is
Lamar Jackson against teams like the Cowboys NFC teams is
twenty and one. Twenty and one. Dak against that conference
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also as a winning record, but forty percent of Dak's
wins against the weaker NFC have come against the Giants
in Washington, where he's twenty three and four, has feasted
on totally dysfunctional teams. Now, they do have similarities. They
both have winning records, especially in the regular season. Both
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have struggled in the playoffs. Both have won their Division
multiple times. Both are highly compensated, both have Super Bowl
winning head coaches, both play for very prominent NFL franchises.
But your eyes will tell you, in my opinion Sunday,
who's better. And here's the distinction between the two, because
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you can tell me DA's this and Lamar's only that.
Here's the distinction. Lamar Jackson in a better conference certainly
better at the top Mahomes, Josh Allen Burrow now CJ. Stroud.
Lamar Jackson is nineteen and fourteen against we would acknowledge
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playoff teams. Lamar against playoff teams in his career in
the better conference with better quarterbacks as nineteen and fourteen.
DAK against playoff teams in his career in a weaker
conference is eighteen and twenty seven. That is the difference.
There's a lot of similarities with these two, and DAK
is more respected in love by fans than Lamar is.
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The difference is Lamar beats really good teams in a
better conference and DAK can't beat really good teams in
an inferior conference. Lamar is more consistently great than DAK,
especially when you play the big boys. Here's John Harbaugh
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on Sunday's matchup and his offense as a whole.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You want to be known for something.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
What are you good at? What do they need to stop?
What are they saying that they have to defend against
you for your offense. At the same time, you don't
want them to line up and know what you're doing
every single play. We lead the league in yards, but
the points have to come with it, and that's what
we've got Chase. We were in that situation last year
at one point in time too, if you remember early
in the season. So that's something we have got to
translate the yards and the points, and to me, it
comes back your consistency.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
They lead the league in yards as Baltimore, and they
open with one of the top three defenses in the league,
the Kansas City Chiefs. In Kansas City. I like Baltimore,
but more than anything, I'm fascinated to watch the two quarterbacks,
one who's elite, who gets very little love from fans,
and one who's very good, who is now the highest
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paid player in the history of this sport.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I have Greg Cosel forty five minutes from now. Wide
receivers make a lot of noise that They've always been
the basketball players of football. They break the huddle first.
It's sort of They don't rely on anybody else necessarily
utter than quarterback, get the ball close, and they make
a lot of noise in the offseason. Jabar, Chase Brandon
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and I a lot of noise. I'm going to I'm
going to tell you the most valuable not only a
receiver in the league. He may be the most valuable
player in the league. That's not a quarterback. You will
not believe what I'm gonna tell you next. No, I
don't want you to guess. You will not. You will
not believe it. I was shocked today. The most valuable
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player in this league that's not a quarterback. You won't
believe it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You won't believe it. That's next.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
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Speaker 1 (11:31):
Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates None of the bull So.
I always thought the most valuable non quarterback in the
NFL was Christian McCaffrey. I mean, Kyle Shanahan is regarded
not only as a great coach, but his system now
is working virtually everywhere. The Saints now the surprise team
of the NFL, use his system. Miami last year use
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his system. He has a losing record without Christian McCaffrey,
but I may have found somebody it's even more valuable.
And for years and years I called wide receivers icing
on the cake. You can eat cake without icing. It
can make good, very good. But if the cake is bad,
the icing can't save it right, like you know, even
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with carrot cake, and that's the best icing. But look
at these numbers. AJ Brown's impact on Jalen Hurts's career,
including the playoffs. When AJ Brown is connected and playing
with Jalen Hurts, he is Patrick Mahomes. He's twenty eight
and eight. He'll get to Super Bowls. When AJ Brown's
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not there, he is slightly better than Justin Field's with
the same passer rating. It's insane. Basically, Jalen Hurts wins
like Mahomes with AJ Brown. Remember a J Brown as
a rookie went to Tennessee. They were a number one seed,
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thousand yards rookie he left. They've never been the same franchise.
They've never been the same franchise. Philadelphia scores twenty eight
points when AJ Brown's on the field, fifteen when he's not. Again,
that's the Justin Fields Bears, and a lot of these
wide receivers make noise to Fawn Diggs does Bills look
just fine without him? Justin Jefferson Vikings are five and
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two when he doesn't play Sunday Sam Darnold without him,
Jordan Addison or TJ. Hawkinson game clinching drive. The Chiefs
have won two Super Bowls without Tyreek Hill, Keenan Allen,
Mike Williams. Leave the Chargers, They're two to zero. They're
just fine. AJ Brown doesn't play in Philadelphia their last
year's Bears. That's insane. And we all like Jalen Hurts.
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I'm not saying he and Justin Field are the same,
just the numbers are, the passer ratings are the same.
I mean, think about Week one, Brandon Noy, you just
got this massive contract. Week one, the Niners rolled supposedly
a good defense with the Jets. Ayuk his most notable moment.
He dropped the touchdown pass. He had no connection to
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the outcome, no impact on San Francisco's scoring, none had
two catches. So it's just like I think, you know,
we talk overrated, underrated. We've always known TJ. Watt is
really important for the Steelers defense. We all know that.
We know McCaffrey's incredibly valuable, and we also know starting
quarterbacks are There's an argument AJ Brown is the most
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valuable the Titans. It's not just what he's delivered in Philly.
The Titans have been a disaster offensively since he left.
Cannot figure it out. They've changed coaches, got Mike Vrabel fired,
They've changed everything, quarterbacks, coaches. It's all connected to AJ Brown.
Remember what Mike, Remember how Mike Vrabel reacted when they
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let go Remember that when they let go of AJ
Brown and Mike Frabel's not a guy. He goes to
the podium, big tough guy, doesn't get real emotional when
they let go of AJ Brown. I mean, Mike Brable
basically came to the podium and just he's like, it
was like losing Brady in New England. Mike Brabel was like, Yeah,
this isn't very good. Isn't that crazy? Jalen Hurts entire
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career without AJ Brown connected to it is eighty four
passer rating. He throws for one hundred and forty eight
yards a game. He's twelve twenty and one and Jalen
Hurts is good. He's good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No, no tar on the news. This is the herd
Line News.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
All right.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Speaking of injuries, I'll start with Jordan Love returning to
practice yesterday for the first time since braining his MCL in.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
The Week one loss to the Eagles.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
We still don't know if Love will be able to go,
but Love is remaining very hopeful that he's availaiting.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Spring, staying the day by day.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I'm trying to see how it feels every day and
come in here, keep doing the treatment, keeping on the
rehab and you know, was out there today and just
trying to take it down by day and just keep
feeling it out.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But it's still better.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
So initially they had said three to five weeks for
Love and now here he is practicing. There's scuttle, but
he could go otherwise we get a Malik Willis revenge
game against the titan.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Can I tell you a text I got from a
general manager in the NFL yesterday?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
He said, I just was looking over the Colts Anthony
richardson tape. Holy crap, was that bad? He mentioned Steichen.
He's like that, No layups, lamps didn't work. Layups were tough.
So this you earlier in the week you had been
Now we've talked about this game about the Colts, but
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I was thinking about the Packers here as they play
the Titans. Is this is only a two point spread?
Was it really the Packers look good against the Colts
or the culture not good at all?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Now?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Defensive game plan was just, oh, we'll sit back and
let the Packers run for two hundred and thirty yards
in the first half.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I guess just a bad game plan.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Yeah, it seems like everybody loves the Titans here. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think also there is something about NFL teams and
desperation when you get to week three, four and five.
Teams that have it one like Baltimore this week is desperate.
I mean, Cincinnati went to Kansas City and played desperate
football and outplayed the Chiefs. So I do think in
these early games there is a sense you can't go,
oh in three and make the playoffs like Baltimore the
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season for Baltimore's but you can go in two. If
Baltimore beats Dallas, nobody cares about it. Fine, it's all good.
Oh and three, it feels completely different.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So Will Will Callahan take the ball out of Levis's hands, say,
we're not gonna risk these dumb turnovers that have done
us in.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
We're just gonna run the football.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
And it's just basically two teams grind it out in
a super low scoring game.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
That's kind of what this feels like. But the Titans
have had issues on special teams.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Jets had a block punt, a lot of dumb penalties
in the secondary.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I don't know. I guess I'm the only guy here
who likes the Packers.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Not good enough to put him in my Friday picks,
but I kind of lean Packers here.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm not touching the Titans. I got burned week one.
Shame on me if I bet him again?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
The wait, did you have them week two as well?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Against Yeah, I know a week two I took the Jets.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Judgment that that line means nothing. Will Levis's judgment laughs,
says hold my beer to lines.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the second story the
Chiefs two and oh, but the offense has been really
stuck in the mud. Mahome's coming off a career low
one hundred and fifty one passing yards and last week's
lucky win over the Bengals. Travis Kelcey talked on the
New Heights podcast about not looking like himself catching one
pass and said the offense has to step up.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
We got to play better as an offense. I think
the defense is playing their asses off. I put that
on me, you know. I think it starts with the leaders.
I think it starts with, you know, making sure you're
going with the right mentality. I didn't play my best.
It spreads if you don't fix it. So I got
to get that thing fixed. But there's a lot of
things that have to go right for anybody to get
the ball. For whatever reason, these past two games, it
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hasn't gone that way for me, and that's football, man.
I'm not about to sit here and get frustrated about it.
I used to get really really pissed off.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, but then he got rich.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And he got Taylor Swift as a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Is thirty nine receiving yards this season? Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, well let me defend him here.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Oh please too.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So last year, the Chiefs had the worst receiving core
in the league arguably, and I think they've made a
priority to get this receiving court. They know that Travis
kelce will be fine. He is not some they're worried about.
He made a big play in that Cincinnati game, one
big play. They're not worried about that. They got to
get Watson and Worthy and Rashid Rice and the second
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tight end. I think Kansas City is making an effort
to get a lot of looks and a lot of
touches to this receiving core to get it ramped up.
It's just like Chris Jones. He'll be great in a
big game. You don't worry about Chris Mahomes or Kelsey
in big games. It's almost like it feels like to me,
it's very Brady Edelman Gronk. I didn't care in the
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early part. I knew they'd be good in January. Those
guys were always great, even as they age, they were
always great in January. I think Kansas City's trying to
get that all these guys touches and they're asking more
of the young guys. They're not game planning primarily around
Travis Kelcey at this point in the season. They know,
like last year he was invisible for big chunks of
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the regular season. He was money in January.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Well, they did have Pacheco last year, and Andy Reid
has come out and said he might miss the entire season.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Changes everything, and.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Pachecko was excellent for them last He's a really good player. Yeah,
I mean this idea to get Watson the ball and Worthy,
I don't know. I look at Worthy and I'm like,
what is he Jamison Williams like maybe a boom bust
home run guy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No, I think he's I think he's a great gadget
guy for the best gadget coach in the league.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Okay, but that's gonna work like one or two gadget
plays a game and you better get a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Because he's not doing five yards.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Rashi Rice is your volume guy, and in the playoffs
you'll watch Juju Smith Schuster, by the way, last time
he was in Kansas City two years ago, was a
volume guy in the playoffs. He had a big volume
playoff game. Remember he had a big ball. He had
a good volume season and a big playoff game. And
so I think when when Juju Smith Schuster Rashi Rice
will be the big volume guys. Worthy, You'll be the
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gadget guy. Hollywood. Brown will come back eventually and be
more of a volume guy.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
We don't know if he's coming back. Pachecko, we don't know.
Like a lot of optimism around the Chiefs for you.
I believe they're zero to two against the spread so
far the season with two.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I've never been right against the spread. They've never been
good as a big favorite. I like Atlanta this week.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
That's I think we're gonna go head to head there.
I don't know why I'm an idiot. I like the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
I don't like the Chiefs as a team. I don't
think they're I don't think they're going to Super Bowl.
Car I know it's only week too.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I just I'm not saying it. Final story is the Niners.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
No Christian McCaffrey, no debo in Week three against the Rams,
so the pressure then it's on brock Purty, one of
the top five quarterbacks in the league, undeniably. Steve Young
now come out and says that brock perty should make
himself more of a running threat out of the backfield.
With some of San Francisco's sidelines weapon, adding that it
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could provide a game changing element to the offense if
they make it to the Super Bowl's young.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't Purty is mobile enough. He's not that mobile.
He's mobile enough. He doesn't run like the top seven
or eight ass.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
He doesn't mean to. He wins from the pocket. Plus
he's planned for a huge contract. I'm not putting my
life on the line if I'm brock perty would you for.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Him week three? Yes? Would I risk injury if I
was a quarterback of a.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Team in week three? Yes, that's not worth it. That's
that's not just Mark.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Jackson risk injury week one against the Chiefs when he
ran at sixteen ten because he was.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Out to prove something. It's all about me.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I need to win this game.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
I can't beat the Chiefs. I gotta do it like
that's not smart. He took a beating and they lost.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's that. You know what, when you make blankety blank
a year, sometimes you have to sacrifice. That's what. That's
the sacrifice. You make.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Sacrifice in the playoffs when it means more. Don't sacrifice
in week one or two. If brock Perdy's out here
running it gets decapitated.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
They ain't going quite Not much of a team guy,
are you no?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
I think that is smart for the team. They need
him healthy to thrive.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, Kyle Shanahan wouldn't wouldn't want him running if he
was worried about it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You can't.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Jimmy Garoppolo the year after the Super Bowl had to
scramble on the sideline step out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Weird acl pop.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
He didn't even get hit though, exactly.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But he's running. Season over done on the season literally
is over. It's your quarterback go's day.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Brock Perty's only injury was in the pocket when somebody
hit his elbow. You know, you don't get hurt running
as much as you think. What happens is when you
consistently run, it's a series of you know, hits and
after a while you wake up with a hit pointer.
But it's not I mean, how many injuries I mean,
just top of your head. If I said quarterback running
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injury out for the year, how many can you think of?
Speaker 7 (24:33):
It's less about It's like the idea that you are
making yourself vulnerable to.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
If you look at when players get hurt offensively, this
is when they get hurt and this is why the
NFL outlawed that tackle the hip drop. When you really
watch Jordan Love's a great example. Somebody grabs Jordan Love
and he's got a bunch of alignment on the ground,
and all of a sudden they get caught in his foot.
Think out loud. Everybody on the internet, I'm sure has
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an answer. But the rest of us who are thinking,
just in this moment, think of the last time a
quarterback went for a run got hit out for the season.
It doesn't happen. What you really what really gets injuries
is bad offensive lines. So there's congestion around your feet,
you get hit, somebody bangs up against you.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I have one Toua a week ago today running on
fourth down up the middle and just just.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And a really bad slide, really bad slide. If he didn't,
if he slided like they practice, like he practiced, he
wouldn't be injured. I mean, even Dolphin players are like
it was kind of a random injury that it wasn't
a big hit. It was a concussion centric player.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
That's a great point.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
That to me was like the Lamar Jackson Game one
against the Chiefs. Tua had thrown three picks He's like,
I'm getting I'm.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Killing the team. I gotta make a play. I gotta try,
and you're over trying. You run on fourth down, you're
not thinking. He's instead of sliding, he's trying to make
a play.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I felt like Lamar did that a lot. I don't
want to see brock perty they got to make a
play against the Wins in Week three, just went from
the pocket.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Dude, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I actually one of my favorite plays this week. I
liked the Chicago Bears against the Colts. It's one of
my favorite plays because I think I don't think we're
quite being fair with Caleb Williams. I'm not saying this
just because he's a USC guy, but I can't think
of the last college quarterback that had these expectations. Now
you could say, well, what about Andrew Luck, But remember
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Andrew Luck joined a talentless roster, so our expectations were
not playoffs. And also, the Colts had made the playoffs
nine of ten years before Andrew Luck got there. So
it's a winning culture owner front off it the cultural
winning culture, and it was a talentless roster and it's
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kind of a small market medium. Caleb's different. It's a
losing culture that he has to help turn around. All
we heard all off season, myself included, is man, look
at all their talent. This is the most talented bearers
I've ever had. So he enters a losing culture with
a coach on the hot seat. They've never developed a
quarterback in the history of the franchise in a division
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now that is easily offensively the best in football. Vikings, Lions, Packers,
those are elite offensive personnel teams. Oh yeah, let's throw
them on hard knocks and week two on Sunday Night Football.
So Mark Sanchez was on our show yesterday on the pressure,
the unique pressure Caleb is facing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
He's learning so much on the fly. Just imagine drinking
through a fire hose. It's a lot of information. There's
a lot of stuff being thrown at him. I will
credit him for his demeanor though, I mean, sure, does
he get upset, does he you know, hay his hat
a little bit?
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Does he get frustrated? Absolutely, and he has every right to.
But he's he's fighting like hell man and I, you know,
I admire that. I admire what he's going through. I
know exactly what he's feeling, and it is really hard.
These guys are smarter, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster,
and their whole existence is built on ruining your Sunday.
So there's a lot flying at him. He's handling it,
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you know, the very best he can.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I mean, if you go back, I wasn't around for John.
I mean I was around for John Elway, but I
don't there was no internet. I don't remember the expectations.
He was great as a prospect. I remember Yankees. He
was drafted or something with the Yankees, and I can
remember that, and I remember his career, but I don't
remember the expectations for Lway other than he was, you know,
he was a great, great, best college prospect I can
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ever remember. But with Andrew, Lucky was going to you know,
a solid winning culture. He was replacing a legend. They
had no talent in the roster, they had a terrible
old line. We didn't have high expectations. The expectations here
are really through the roof. He's the first superstar nil quarterback.
Bear's got all this offensive talent, big loud, relentless media
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in Chicago, Lincoln Riley pointed out, which is probably the
answer to solving his early mistakes.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Sometimes when you get into it, get in the competitive situations,
especially a new league, a new offense, new coaches, arounds,
a new supporting cast, there's going to be some growing things, right,
You're going to go through some tough moments, but you
got to continue to go back to the basics, continue
to improve, continue to lead, and most importantly, you can't
let it affect your attitude, your mentality, the way you play,
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the way you practice.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
You just got to keep growing.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
And Caleb will he's a fighter. He's going to continue
to learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I like the Bears this weekend. It's interesting, Greg Cosell,
top of the hour. What's interesting is that I said,
I talked to a GM yesterday that said, man Anthony
Richardson's tape was bad. My staff just wrote on the
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screen that apparently Greg co Sell on the Ross Tucker
podcast said Anthony Richardson was missing high school throws like
easy stuff. So we're all paying attention to Caleb Williams struggles.
They may have a much much bigger issue Chris Ballard
on if this doesn't work, Ersay's wildly impulsive, outspoken, very public,
(30:33):
so that that game may not look like much to
most people. But Anthony Richardson Caleb Williams is a big,
big game and I like Chicago. Yeah, apparently, co Sell
said Anthony Richardson has missed a ton of basic easy
throws through two weeks that high school quarterbacks can make.
(30:55):
And Greg's not hyperbolic. That's just not Greg CoA Sell
doesn't just say stuff to say stuff.
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Speaker 7 (32:08):
Tonight, it's Baseball Night in America on Fox. Bryce Harper
leads the Phillies in their fight for the NLA's crown.
Is Francisco Lindor and the Mets battle for a wildcard
spot or the Dbacks battle to Brewers. It all begins
tonight at seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Check for the game in your area. So we tend
to think that baseball is very predictable. And yes, the
Dodgers keep winning their division, and because of payroll, you know,
we kind of know who's gonna win. But the truth
is the Mets and the Podres last year at huge payrolls,
and we're disasters of the Milwaukee Brewers. I think, didn't
they clinch yesterday their division again or this week? And
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Milwaukee Brewers aren't big payroll. There's more surprises in baseball
than you'd be led to believe. Yes, the A's can't
keep up with the Yankees or Dodgers financially, we know that.
But there's more surprises in baseball than you think. And
in the NBA, you know, we tend to think, well,
whoever has the stars? But did we all think before
(33:06):
last year started that Minnesota would knock Denver out of
the playoffs and be a nightmare matchup? Not really, There's more.
I think there's more surprises by the end of the season.
Maybe the good teams win more middle of the season.
By the end of the season, you get surprises. In
the NFL and college football, we tend to think of
football in America as huh, you do not know who
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is winning well? In college football, five of the last
seven national championships have been won by the SEC, and
Texas looks like and Georgia looks like two of the
best three teams in the country. Alabama's up there too,
but the NFL, that's the one that gives us curve balls.
Not really there. Basically been a handful of surprises this year,
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so let's put those up for our television audience. Things
that have surprised us. The Saints have blown out two teams.
That was surprising. The Steelers basically they can't get offense
right since Big Ben retired, are only undefeated team in
their division. I think that's surprising, though the schedule hasn't
been tough. Minnesota and Sam Darnold, not that they won,
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but the manner in which you know they clawbered San Francisco.
So three two and oh teams Saint Steelers, Vikings have
been better than we think. And I think there's three
zero to two teams Bengals, Rams and Ravens. We thought
they could be two and oh, but let's be honest.
The Rams have fallen apart physically offensively, they're missing virtually everybody.
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This weekend they finally have tackles, and the Ravens, you
know they lost by a toe to Kansas City, or
they'd be one and one. And just just to double
down on this, If just three things happened this weekend,
most of the surprises go away. Number one, the Chargers
who stayed out east just beat Carolina. If they beat Pittsburgh,
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then we're going to be like, yeah, the Chargers, we
thought they would be good. They are good in Pittsburgh. Ye. Actually,
you have to score touchdowns in this league to win.
Who knew. So If the Chargers beat the Pittsburgh Steelers
and it's close, and again, if Herbert doesn't play, they won't.
If Herbert does play, they probably will. Then all of
a sudden, the Steelers amazing start comes reality check. You
have to score. Number two, Baltimore beats Dallas. I like
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him in that game. Betters are going both ways. But
if Baltimore beats Dallas, all's right in the world. Baltimore's
better than Dallas, Lamar's better than Dak and they're fine.
And the third thing, and again don't know if it happens,
the Eagles cool off the Saints and beat the Saints.
Now AJ Brown won't play. They're not very good without
AJ Brown, But it is amazing, And it's one of
those things like there's us saying with kids, the days
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are long, but the years fly by. If you have kids,
and if you don't have kids, there's nothing truer about kids.
Then a lot of those days with the four year olds,
they last a long time, but you look up and
they're thirteen years old. And in the NFL, any week
can surprise you. I mean, you look up Sunday and
you're like, Patriots beat Bengals. But over the course of time,
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if you have an elite top ten quarterback and a
B plus up coach, and there's a lot of B
plus and above coaches, you're gonna win your division or
be a wild card team. Almost across the board. I
mean Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes already lead
their division and Justin Herbert's unbeaten. I mean, if you
start looking at the AFC standings right now, you know Bills,
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Texans chief chargers and not big surprise. They got great quarterbacks,
more than capable coaches. Sean McDermott's more than capable. And
if you go look over at the NFC, it's like,
I mean, nobody is separated in the NFC, so let's
not make any opinion on that. But I mean, the
Saints and Buccaneers Falcons look like the three best teams
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because they have they appear to have really good quarterbacks.
I think the Saints will cool off eventually again Seahawks,
haven't you know, Seahawks basically got a rookie quarterback in
Jacoby Brissett. I don't think Seattle's going seventeen to zero,
So there's just not that many surprises. And now you know,
(37:06):
like one of the things I've said, the argument for
us in this sportscasting business is what do you do
with a team like Detroit where Jared Goff when things
go right, is excellent, but isn't going to give you
anything off script, which generally helps in the playoffs. And
Dan Campbell. I think Detroit's one of the really hard
teams to get your arms around because we know Dan
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Campbell is a tough guy and change the culture. I
don't trust him situationally at all. He's already had a
whiff this year situationally, and the playoffs are all about
situational football. And Jared Goff I've defended forever, but he
gives you nothing off script. And that's the difference between
winning playoff games and losing him is off script. Like
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Kirk Cousins doesn't win a lot of playoff games. You
got to do stuff that the defense isn't expecting or
can't defend. The NFL is much more predictable than people
think the stock market is. Similarly, the stock market has
wild swings. I've been in the stock market since nineteen
eighty eight. Seven out of eight years, it goes up.
(38:14):
You put your money in it. Thirty years later you
put a four oh one k a roth Ira. You
got some mutual funds. They'll go up week to week,
day to day. It's all over the place. You'll even
have bad years. You'll have receessions, you'll have terrible Yeah.
Good coaches. I mean Sean McVay appears to be having
a horrible season. He had one a couple years ago.
It's a great coach. So it's NFL. You got the
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right quarterback and you have beat plus coach, you're gonna
be a playoff team. Yeah, six out of seven years,
unless you have cluster injuries, which the Rams now do
on the offensive line. Tonight, J mack a game we
have the week three schedule. So I'm gonna give you
the schedule for our television audience. If I said to
you games that feel big, now it's week three, We're
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not going to be ridiculous. But I will tell you
a couple of games that I think feel really big.
I think tonight feels big. And the reason I say
that is, can you imagine if the Jets lost, what
we would talk about tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
We thought Patriots are gonna go winless in the division,
and now it's like whoa who has gone for four weeks?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
They just make Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
The Jets don't look good.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, So tonight's game is one of those. It looks Dullsville.
It's huge. It's a big one. I'll tell you. Bears
at Colts, Caleb goes zero to three and can't beat
Anthony Richards.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
You know they won their opener.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Oh you're right, My bad, my bad.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
And those aren't really playoff teams.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
But here you have two young quarterbacks and we're starting
to have real questions.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah, that's fair. I think that Detroit Arizona game is fascinating.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
I'm just the more I read and look into the
Arizona Cardinals, there's a whiff of them being the Detroit
Lions from last year.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Arizona.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Yeah, that offense, Colin, the way they steamrolled the Bills
in the first half, the Bills made good adjustments, and
the way they just.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Boat ra the Rams. What if they do that to
the Lions. I think you've got to take this team seriously.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, it should be noted because they're not a high
profile franchise that most fans, even fantasy football fans. Kyler's
not a first, second or third pick usually in fantasy football.
Put the good numbers this year, but if you look
now at Harrison, Connor, Connor, Mchyler McBride, they have elite players, quarterback, receiver,
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tight end, running back like elite players. And you know,
thirty years ago a lot of teams felt like they
had it was all about defense, run gay. If you're
elite quarterback weapons, you win a lot of games in
this league. Now you win a lot of games. So
Arizona Detroit, I think I like Arizona. I don't think
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what they did to the Rams is luck, good fortune.
I think they steam rolled them.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Eagles Saints hot seat game for Nick Sirianni. I know
you don't like to talk hot seat week three. But
that's I'm sorry, that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That our lead Monday Saints beat the Eagles. That's probably
our lead Monday.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
They want to run them out of town in Philly
now after one loss
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But it's interesting tonight. So you and I love betting
the NFL. And in college you see touchdown fourteen point,
you know, I mean Alabama was a six team point
favored over Wisconsin. In Wisconsin it's lopsided. There's like eight programs,
maybe ten, just better players. You know, your Ohio States,
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in your Texas, Georgia. But in the NFL, the Bears
were only a six point underdog to the Texans. And
we think the Texans are the best team in their
division and could challenge for the AFC Championship. We think
the Bears may be a fourth place team. So a
six point spread in the NFL is a big deal. Tonight,
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the Jets are six point favored against New England. New
England doesn't beat themselves. One of only three teams in
the NFL with no turnovers, and the Jets offense is
twentieth in the NFL in yards per play. They're not
moving the ball, so it's amazing to me. It's like
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when you see lines that are six. I mean Atlanta.
Everybody thought Atlanta was going to go to Philadelphia and
get in Philadelphia, and it was like, what a five
point spread? Five and a half points spread. The NFL
odds makers are thinking tonight is a blowout in the
Jets favor, But Tennessee beat themselves as much as the
Jets did. Will Levis is in the Bad Judgment Hall
(02:17):
of Fame. They had a punt block to turnovers. You're
not gonna get any of that from New England tonight.
And to me, one of the things I'm trying to
figure out in the first two or three weeks of
the NFL is what's real and what's hype. And to
this point, we have to be honest. Aaron and the
Jets are a lot of hype. Three weeks ago, it
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was Super Bowl talk. It's nonsense. They're twentieth in yards
for play, twenty seventh in total offense, and it's Nat
Hackett running the show. But I went even deeper on
this because you know, San Francisco is an opener. Is tough.
Aaron Rodgers was viewed as a savior. Now He's talented,
no doubt, but how talented in his last twenty starts,
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and remember it's overwhelmingly Green Bay starts. And when he
was starting his last couple of years in Green Bay.
Detroit was twenty ninth in the NFL in defense, Minnesota
was thirtieth in Chicago was last his last year in
Green Bay. So he got multiple starts from the worst
defenses in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers did forget to win
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loss record. He had a ninety one passer rating that
is closer to the quarterback he will face tonight, Jacoby
Brissett than the elite guys in the league. I mean,
Lamar Jackson gets criticized for pocket passing. He's one, O two,
and he can run. Aaron's forty doesn't run. He's solely
a pocket guy, and he's he's slightly better than Jacoby
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Brissett as a pocket guy. And they're a six point
favorite tonight. And one of the things I've always loved
about the NFL, it's not a nostalgia league. Yesterday, I'm
driving around. They turned on a radio show on Sirius
Exam and they're talking of baseball in the sixties, and
like nobody you never turn on a football show, and
it's like, let's talk about Hugh mclhaney. Anybody want to
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take a call on Otto Graham. Football is a now sport.
It's not even Hollywood. They don't give out lifetime Achievement
awards while you're still playing. They do that in Hollywood
while you're still acting. So right now, Aaron's immobile, expensive,
he doesn't have a rushing yard this season, and fifty
four dropbacks, and he's coming off an injury, so he's
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not quite totally in unison with the left side of
the offensive line. You know, he's throwing with a little
lack of trust right now. So, like tonight's game is gigantic.
If they lose tonight, and Atlanta just went to Philadelphia
and won as a similar dog. If they lose tonight,
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in two weeks they face high flying Minnesota. Three weeks
they face Buffalo. I think this game is gigantic, and
there's just this sense that, well, this is a given.
Tonight Watchnuah Jee. New England beat Cincinnati. New England took
undefended Seattle overtime, and the Jets are a six point favorite.
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It's crazy. I mean I I it's I Usually the
market's never fooled. This line is so big to me.
It's as if there is something the draft kings of
the world see that I can't but look around. Last week,
the first week of the NFL season, there was only
one touchdown or more favorite. It was Cincinnati over New England.
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Monday Night was one of the more lopsided. Sunday Night Bears,
Texans Bears fought to the end. Monday Night Falcons Eagles,
those were like big NFL margins. Jets. Th Under, a
six point favorite for a quarterback in his last twenty starts,
has a ninety one passer rating. Here's Aaron on tonight.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Been a long time since I took the field at
so a lot of emotions.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Body feels good so well as good as a can
on a short week. But it'll be fun out there
with the crowd. Night games. I love night games, so
excited about it. Not you know, no one's real crazy
about Thursday games, but everybody loves Thursday, the weekend after
the Thursday games.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
All Right, I guess I'll take the Jets to night.
The betting market is telling me it's got a chance
to be a blowout. Every number I'm looking at doesn't
tell me that, but I have to take the Jets
to win. So the most interesting game of the weekend.
And I love when this happens. It's the Ravens and Cowboys,
and not just because it's the Cowboys. The Cowboys getting
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housed at home by the Saints has made this game fascinating.
If Dallas was two and oh, it wouldn't feel the
same way. But Dallas with the coach in the hot seat,
is now one in one coming off a blowout loss
again at home like the Packers. But the fascinating part
of this is I love when you get two quarterbacks
who we argue and debate over, and we do with
Lamar and Dak, and they're on the same field. One's
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in ones out, ones in ones out. That's when you
can really compare them. You know a lot of times,
you know, I like this guy, but he plays an
easy opponent. I don't like this guy, but he plays
a hard They're playing each other, both with better than
average defenses. And what's interesting is Lamar, though he's elite,
is probably the only really great quarterback in this league
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that's constantly criticized. And Dak, whose B to B plus
has been elevated by everybody. He's currently the highest paid
football player in the history of the league. Dak Prescott
is is viewed as elite. And so what's interesting is
Lamar Jackson against teams like the Cowboys NFC teams is
twenty and one. Twenty and one. Dak against that conference
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also as a winning record, but forty percent of Dak's
wins against the weaker NFC have come against the Giants
in Washington, where he's twenty three and four, has feasted
on totally dysfunctional teams. Now, they do have similarities. They
both have winning records, especially in the regular season. Both
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have struggled in the playoffs. Both have won their Division
multiple times. Both are highly compensated, both have Super Bowl
winning head coaches, both play for very prominent NFL franchises.
But your eyes will tell you, in my opinion Sunday,
who's better. And here's the distinction between the two, because
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you can tell me DA's this and Lamar's only that.
Here's the distinction. Lamar Jackson in a better conference certainly
better at the top Mahomes, Josh Allen Burrow now CJ. Stroud.
Lamar Jackson is nineteen and fourteen against we would acknowledge
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playoff teams. Lamar against playoff teams in his career in
the better conference with better quarterbacks as nineteen and fourteen.
DAK against playoff teams in his career in a weaker
conference is eighteen and twenty seven. That is the difference.
There's a lot of similarities with these two, and DAK
is more respected in love by fans than Lamar is.
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The difference is Lamar beats really good teams in a
better conference and DAK can't beat really good teams in
an inferior conference. Lamar is more consistently great than DAK,
especially when you play the big boys. Here's John Harbaugh
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on Sunday's matchup and his offense as a whole.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
You want to be known for something.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
What are you good at? What do they need to stop?
What are they saying that they have to defend against
you for your offense. At the same time, you don't
want them to line up and know what you're doing
every single play. We lead the league in yards, but
the points have to come with it, and that's what
we've got Chase. We were in that situation last year
at one point in time too, if you remember early
in the season. So that's something we have got to
translate the yards and the points, and to me, it
comes back your consistency.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
They lead the league in yards as Baltimore, and they
open with one of the top three defenses in the league,
the Kansas City Chiefs. In Kansas City. I like Baltimore,
but more than anything, I'm fascinated to watch the two quarterbacks,
one who's elite, who gets very little love from fans,
and one who's very good, who is now the highest
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paid player in the history of this sport.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I have Greg Cosel forty five minutes from now. Wide
receivers make a lot of noise that They've always been
the basketball players of football. They break the huddle first.
It's sort of They don't rely on anybody else necessarily
utter than quarterback, get the ball close, and they make
a lot of noise in the offseason. Jabar, Chase Brandon
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and I a lot of noise. I'm going to I'm
going to tell you the most valuable not only a
receiver in the league. He may be the most valuable
player in the league. That's not a quarterback. You will
not believe what I'm gonna tell you next. No, I
don't want you to guess. You will not. You will
not believe it. I was shocked today. The most valuable
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player in this league that's not a quarterback. You won't
believe it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You won't believe it. That's next.
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Speaker 1 (11:31):
Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates None of the bull So.
I always thought the most valuable non quarterback in the
NFL was Christian McCaffrey. I mean, Kyle Shanahan is regarded
not only as a great coach, but his system now
is working virtually everywhere. The Saints now the surprise team
of the NFL, use his system. Miami last year use
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his system. He has a losing record without Christian McCaffrey,
but I may have found somebody it's even more valuable.
And for years and years I called wide receivers icing
on the cake. You can eat cake without icing. It
can make good, very good. But if the cake is bad,
the icing can't save it right, like you know, even
(12:18):
with carrot cake, and that's the best icing. But look
at these numbers. AJ Brown's impact on Jalen Hurts's career,
including the playoffs. When AJ Brown is connected and playing
with Jalen Hurts, he is Patrick Mahomes. He's twenty eight
and eight. He'll get to Super Bowls. When AJ Brown's
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not there, he is slightly better than Justin Field's with
the same passer rating. It's insane. Basically, Jalen Hurts wins
like Mahomes with AJ Brown. Remember a J Brown as
a rookie went to Tennessee. They were a number one seed,
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thousand yards rookie he left. They've never been the same franchise.
They've never been the same franchise. Philadelphia scores twenty eight
points when AJ Brown's on the field, fifteen when he's not. Again,
that's the Justin Fields Bears, and a lot of these
wide receivers make noise to Fawn Diggs does Bills look
just fine without him? Justin Jefferson Vikings are five and
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two when he doesn't play Sunday Sam Darnold without him,
Jordan Addison or TJ. Hawkinson game clinching drive. The Chiefs
have won two Super Bowls without Tyreek Hill, Keenan Allen,
Mike Williams. Leave the Chargers, They're two to zero. They're
just fine. AJ Brown doesn't play in Philadelphia their last
year's Bears. That's insane. And we all like Jalen Hurts.
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I'm not saying he and Justin Field are the same,
just the numbers are, the passer ratings are the same.
I mean, think about Week one, Brandon Noy, you just
got this massive contract. Week one, the Niners rolled supposedly
a good defense with the Jets. Ayuk his most notable moment.
He dropped the touchdown pass. He had no connection to
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the outcome, no impact on San Francisco's scoring, none had
two catches. So it's just like I think, you know,
we talk overrated, underrated. We've always known TJ. Watt is
really important for the Steelers defense. We all know that.
We know McCaffrey's incredibly valuable, and we also know starting
quarterbacks are There's an argument AJ Brown is the most
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valuable the Titans. It's not just what he's delivered in Philly.
The Titans have been a disaster offensively since he left.
Cannot figure it out. They've changed coaches, got Mike Vrabel fired,
They've changed everything, quarterbacks, coaches. It's all connected to AJ Brown.
Remember what Mike, Remember how Mike Vrabel reacted when they
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let go Remember that when they let go of AJ
Brown and Mike Frabel's not a guy. He goes to
the podium, big tough guy, doesn't get real emotional when
they let go of AJ Brown. I mean, Mike Brable
basically came to the podium and just he's like, it
was like losing Brady in New England. Mike Brabel was like, Yeah,
this isn't very good. Isn't that crazy? Jalen Hurts entire
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career without AJ Brown connected to it is eighty four
passer rating. He throws for one hundred and forty eight
yards a game. He's twelve twenty and one and Jalen
Hurts is good. He's good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No, no tar on the news. This is the herd
Line News.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
All right.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Speaking of injuries, I'll start with Jordan Love returning to
practice yesterday for the first time since braining his MCL in.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
The Week one loss to the Eagles.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
We still don't know if Love will be able to go,
but Love is remaining very hopeful that he's availaiting.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Spring, staying the day by day.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I'm trying to see how it feels every day and
come in here, keep doing the treatment, keeping on the
rehab and you know, was out there today and just
trying to take it down by day and just keep
feeling it out.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But it's still better.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
So initially they had said three to five weeks for
Love and now here he is practicing. There's scuttle, but
he could go otherwise we get a Malik Willis revenge
game against the titan.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Can I tell you a text I got from a
general manager in the NFL yesterday?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
He said, I just was looking over the Colts Anthony
richardson tape. Holy crap, was that bad? He mentioned Steichen.
He's like that, No layups, lamps didn't work. Layups were tough.
So this you earlier in the week you had been
Now we've talked about this game about the Colts, but
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I was thinking about the Packers here as they play
the Titans. Is this is only a two point spread?
Was it really the Packers look good against the Colts
or the culture not good at all?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Now?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Defensive game plan was just, oh, we'll sit back and
let the Packers run for two hundred and thirty yards
in the first half.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I guess just a bad game plan.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Yeah, it seems like everybody loves the Titans here. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I think also there is something about NFL teams and
desperation when you get to week three, four and five.
Teams that have it one like Baltimore this week is desperate.
I mean, Cincinnati went to Kansas City and played desperate
football and outplayed the Chiefs. So I do think in
these early games there is a sense you can't go,
oh in three and make the playoffs like Baltimore the
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season for Baltimore's but you can go in two. If
Baltimore beats Dallas, nobody cares about it. Fine, it's all good.
Oh and three, it feels completely different.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So Will Will Callahan take the ball out of Levis's hands, say,
we're not gonna risk these dumb turnovers that have done
us in.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
We're just gonna run the football.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
And it's just basically two teams grind it out in
a super low scoring game.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
That's kind of what this feels like. But the Titans
have had issues on special teams.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Jets had a block punt, a lot of dumb penalties
in the secondary.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
I don't know. I guess I'm the only guy here
who likes the Packers.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Not good enough to put him in my Friday picks,
but I kind of lean Packers here.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm not touching the Titans. I got burned week one.
Shame on me if I bet him again?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
The wait, did you have them week two as well?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Against Yeah, I know a week two I took the Jets.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Judgment that that line means nothing. Will Levis's judgment laughs,
says hold my beer to lines.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the second story the
Chiefs two and oh, but the offense has been really
stuck in the mud. Mahome's coming off a career low
one hundred and fifty one passing yards and last week's
lucky win over the Bengals. Travis Kelcey talked on the
New Heights podcast about not looking like himself catching one
pass and said the offense has to step up.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
We got to play better as an offense. I think
the defense is playing their asses off. I put that
on me, you know. I think it starts with the leaders.
I think it starts with, you know, making sure you're
going with the right mentality. I didn't play my best.
It spreads if you don't fix it. So I got
to get that thing fixed. But there's a lot of
things that have to go right for anybody to get
the ball. For whatever reason, these past two games, it
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hasn't gone that way for me, and that's football, man.
I'm not about to sit here and get frustrated about it.
I used to get really really pissed off.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, but then he got rich.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And he got Taylor Swift as a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Is thirty nine receiving yards this season? Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, well let me defend him here.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Oh please too.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So last year, the Chiefs had the worst receiving core
in the league arguably, and I think they've made a
priority to get this receiving court. They know that Travis
kelce will be fine. He is not some they're worried about.
He made a big play in that Cincinnati game, one
big play. They're not worried about that. They got to
get Watson and Worthy and Rashid Rice and the second
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tight end. I think Kansas City is making an effort
to get a lot of looks and a lot of
touches to this receiving core to get it ramped up.
It's just like Chris Jones. He'll be great in a
big game. You don't worry about Chris Mahomes or Kelsey
in big games. It's almost like it feels like to me,
it's very Brady Edelman Gronk. I didn't care in the
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early part. I knew they'd be good in January. Those
guys were always great, even as they age, they were
always great in January. I think Kansas City's trying to
get that all these guys touches and they're asking more
of the young guys. They're not game planning primarily around
Travis Kelcey at this point in the season. They know,
like last year he was invisible for big chunks of
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the regular season. He was money in January.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Well, they did have Pacheco last year, and Andy Reid
has come out and said he might miss the entire season.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Changes everything, and.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Pachecko was excellent for them last He's a really good player. Yeah,
I mean this idea to get Watson the ball and Worthy,
I don't know. I look at Worthy and I'm like,
what is he Jamison Williams like maybe a boom bust
home run guy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No, I think he's I think he's a great gadget
guy for the best gadget coach in the league.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Okay, but that's gonna work like one or two gadget
plays a game and you better get a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Because he's not doing five yards.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Rashi Rice is your volume guy, and in the playoffs
you'll watch Juju Smith Schuster, by the way, last time
he was in Kansas City two years ago, was a
volume guy in the playoffs. He had a big volume
playoff game. Remember he had a big ball. He had
a good volume season and a big playoff game. And
so I think when when Juju Smith Schuster Rashi Rice
will be the big volume guys. Worthy, You'll be the
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gadget guy. Hollywood. Brown will come back eventually and be
more of a volume guy.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
We don't know if he's coming back. Pachecko, we don't know.
Like a lot of optimism around the Chiefs for you.
I believe they're zero to two against the spread so
far the season with two.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I've never been right against the spread. They've never been
good as a big favorite. I like Atlanta this week.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
That's I think we're gonna go head to head there.
I don't know why I'm an idiot. I like the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
I don't like the Chiefs as a team. I don't
think they're I don't think they're going to Super Bowl.
Car I know it's only week too.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I just I'm not saying it. Final story is the Niners.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
No Christian McCaffrey, no debo in Week three against the Rams,
so the pressure then it's on brock Purty, one of
the top five quarterbacks in the league, undeniably. Steve Young
now come out and says that brock perty should make
himself more of a running threat out of the backfield.
With some of San Francisco's sidelines weapon, adding that it
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could provide a game changing element to the offense if
they make it to the Super Bowl's young.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't Purty is mobile enough. He's not that mobile.
He's mobile enough. He doesn't run like the top seven
or eight ass.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
He doesn't mean to. He wins from the pocket. Plus
he's planned for a huge contract. I'm not putting my
life on the line if I'm brock perty would you for.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Him week three? Yes? Would I risk injury if I
was a quarterback of a.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Team in week three? Yes, that's not worth it. That's
that's not just Mark.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Jackson risk injury week one against the Chiefs when he
ran at sixteen ten because he was.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Out to prove something. It's all about me.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I need to win this game.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
I can't beat the Chiefs. I gotta do it like
that's not smart. He took a beating and they lost.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's that. You know what, when you make blankety blank
a year, sometimes you have to sacrifice. That's what. That's
the sacrifice. You make.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Sacrifice in the playoffs when it means more. Don't sacrifice
in week one or two. If brock Perdy's out here
running it gets decapitated.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
They ain't going quite Not much of a team guy,
are you no?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
I think that is smart for the team. They need
him healthy to thrive.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, Kyle Shanahan wouldn't wouldn't want him running if he
was worried about it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
You can't.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Jimmy Garoppolo the year after the Super Bowl had to
scramble on the sideline step out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Weird acl pop.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
He didn't even get hit though, exactly.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But he's running. Season over done on the season literally
is over. It's your quarterback go's day.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Brock Perty's only injury was in the pocket when somebody
hit his elbow. You know, you don't get hurt running
as much as you think. What happens is when you
consistently run, it's a series of you know, hits and
after a while you wake up with a hit pointer.
But it's not I mean, how many injuries I mean,
just top of your head. If I said quarterback running
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injury out for the year, how many can you think of?
Speaker 7 (24:33):
It's less about It's like the idea that you are
making yourself vulnerable to.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
If you look at when players get hurt offensively, this
is when they get hurt and this is why the
NFL outlawed that tackle the hip drop. When you really
watch Jordan Love's a great example. Somebody grabs Jordan Love
and he's got a bunch of alignment on the ground,
and all of a sudden they get caught in his foot.
Think out loud. Everybody on the internet, I'm sure has
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an answer. But the rest of us who are thinking,
just in this moment, think of the last time a
quarterback went for a run got hit out for the season.
It doesn't happen. What you really what really gets injuries
is bad offensive lines. So there's congestion around your feet,
you get hit, somebody bangs up against you.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
I have one Toua a week ago today running on
fourth down up the middle and just just.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And a really bad slide, really bad slide. If he didn't,
if he slided like they practice, like he practiced, he
wouldn't be injured. I mean, even Dolphin players are like
it was kind of a random injury that it wasn't
a big hit. It was a concussion centric player.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
That's a great point.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
That to me was like the Lamar Jackson Game one
against the Chiefs. Tua had thrown three picks He's like,
I'm getting I'm.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Killing the team. I gotta make a play. I gotta try,
and you're over trying. You run on fourth down, you're
not thinking. He's instead of sliding, he's trying to make
a play.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I felt like Lamar did that a lot. I don't
want to see brock perty they got to make a
play against the Wins in Week three, just went from
the pocket.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Dude, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. That's
the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I actually one of my favorite plays this week. I
liked the Chicago Bears against the Colts. It's one of
my favorite plays because I think I don't think we're
quite being fair with Caleb Williams. I'm not saying this
just because he's a USC guy, but I can't think
of the last college quarterback that had these expectations. Now
you could say, well, what about Andrew Luck, But remember
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Andrew Luck joined a talentless roster, so our expectations were
not playoffs. And also, the Colts had made the playoffs
nine of ten years before Andrew Luck got there. So
it's a winning culture owner front off it the cultural
winning culture, and it was a talentless roster and it's
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kind of a small market medium. Caleb's different. It's a
losing culture that he has to help turn around. All
we heard all off season, myself included, is man, look
at all their talent. This is the most talented bearers
I've ever had. So he enters a losing culture with
a coach on the hot seat. They've never developed a
quarterback in the history of the franchise in a division
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now that is easily offensively the best in football. Vikings, Lions, Packers,
those are elite offensive personnel teams. Oh yeah, let's throw
them on hard knocks and week two on Sunday Night Football.
So Mark Sanchez was on our show yesterday on the pressure,
the unique pressure Caleb is facing.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
He's learning so much on the fly. Just imagine drinking
through a fire hose. It's a lot of information. There's
a lot of stuff being thrown at him. I will
credit him for his demeanor though, I mean, sure, does
he get upset, does he you know, hay his hat
a little bit?
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Does he get frustrated? Absolutely, and he has every right to.
But he's he's fighting like hell man and I, you know,
I admire that. I admire what he's going through. I
know exactly what he's feeling, and it is really hard.
These guys are smarter, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster,
and their whole existence is built on ruining your Sunday.
So there's a lot flying at him. He's handling it,
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you know, the very best he can.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I mean, if you go back, I wasn't around for John.
I mean I was around for John Elway, but I
don't there was no internet. I don't remember the expectations.
He was great as a prospect. I remember Yankees. He
was drafted or something with the Yankees, and I can
remember that, and I remember his career, but I don't
remember the expectations for Lway other than he was, you know,
he was a great, great, best college prospect I can
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ever remember. But with Andrew, Lucky was going to you know,
a solid winning culture. He was replacing a legend. They
had no talent in the roster, they had a terrible
old line. We didn't have high expectations. The expectations here
are really through the roof. He's the first superstar nil quarterback.
Bear's got all this offensive talent, big loud, relentless media
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in Chicago, Lincoln Riley pointed out, which is probably the
answer to solving his early mistakes.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Sometimes when you get into it, get in the competitive situations,
especially a new league, a new offense, new coaches, arounds,
a new supporting cast, there's going to be some growing things, right,
You're going to go through some tough moments, but you
got to continue to go back to the basics, continue
to improve, continue to lead, and most importantly, you can't
let it affect your attitude, your mentality, the way you play,
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the way you practice.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
You just got to keep growing.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
And Caleb will he's a fighter. He's going to continue
to learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I like the Bears this weekend. It's interesting, Greg Cosell,
top of the hour. What's interesting is that I said,
I talked to a GM yesterday that said, man Anthony
Richardson's tape was bad. My staff just wrote on the
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screen that apparently Greg co Sell on the Ross Tucker
podcast said Anthony Richardson was missing high school throws like
easy stuff. So we're all paying attention to Caleb Williams struggles.
They may have a much much bigger issue Chris Ballard
on if this doesn't work, Ersay's wildly impulsive, outspoken, very public,
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so that that game may not look like much to
most people. But Anthony Richardson Caleb Williams is a big,
big game and I like Chicago. Yeah, apparently, co Sell
said Anthony Richardson has missed a ton of basic easy
throws through two weeks that high school quarterbacks can make.
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And Greg's not hyperbolic. That's just not Greg CoA Sell
doesn't just say stuff to say stuff.
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Speaker 7 (32:08):
Tonight, it's Baseball Night in America on Fox. Bryce Harper
leads the Phillies in their fight for the NLA's crown.
Is Francisco Lindor and the Mets battle for a wildcard
spot or the Dbacks battle to Brewers. It all begins
tonight at seven Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Check for the game in your area. So we tend
to think that baseball is very predictable. And yes, the
Dodgers keep winning their division, and because of payroll, you know,
we kind of know who's gonna win. But the truth
is the Mets and the Podres last year at huge payrolls,
and we're disasters of the Milwaukee Brewers. I think, didn't
they clinch yesterday their division again or this week? And
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Milwaukee Brewers aren't big payroll. There's more surprises in baseball
than you'd be led to believe. Yes, the A's can't
keep up with the Yankees or Dodgers financially, we know that.
But there's more surprises in baseball than you think. And
in the NBA, you know, we tend to think, well,
whoever has the stars? But did we all think before
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last year started that Minnesota would knock Denver out of
the playoffs and be a nightmare matchup? Not really, There's more.
I think there's more surprises by the end of the season.
Maybe the good teams win more middle of the season.
By the end of the season, you get surprises. In
the NFL and college football, we tend to think of
football in America as huh, you do not know who
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is winning well? In college football, five of the last
seven national championships have been won by the SEC, and
Texas looks like and Georgia looks like two of the
best three teams in the country. Alabama's up there too,
but the NFL, that's the one that gives us curve balls.
Not really there. Basically been a handful of surprises this year,
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so let's put those up for our television audience. Things
that have surprised us. The Saints have blown out two teams.
That was surprising. The Steelers basically they can't get offense
right since Big Ben retired, are only undefeated team in
their division. I think that's surprising, though the schedule hasn't
been tough. Minnesota and Sam Darnold, not that they won,
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but the manner in which you know they clawbered San Francisco.
So three two and oh teams Saint Steelers, Vikings have
been better than we think. And I think there's three
zero to two teams Bengals, Rams and Ravens. We thought
they could be two and oh, but let's be honest.
The Rams have fallen apart physically offensively, they're missing virtually everybody.
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This weekend they finally have tackles, and the Ravens, you
know they lost by a toe to Kansas City, or
they'd be one and one. And just just to double
down on this, If just three things happened this weekend,
most of the surprises go away. Number one, the Chargers
who stayed out east just beat Carolina. If they beat Pittsburgh,
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then we're going to be like, yeah, the Chargers, we
thought they would be good. They are good in Pittsburgh. Ye. Actually,
you have to score touchdowns in this league to win.
Who knew. So If the Chargers beat the Pittsburgh Steelers
and it's close, and again, if Herbert doesn't play, they won't.
If Herbert does play, they probably will. Then all of
a sudden, the Steelers amazing start comes reality check. You
have to score. Number two, Baltimore beats Dallas. I like
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him in that game. Betters are going both ways. But
if Baltimore beats Dallas, all's right in the world. Baltimore's
better than Dallas, Lamar's better than Dak and they're fine.
And the third thing, and again don't know if it happens,
the Eagles cool off the Saints and beat the Saints.
Now AJ Brown won't play. They're not very good without
AJ Brown, But it is amazing, And it's one of
those things like there's us saying with kids, the days
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are long, but the years fly by. If you have kids,
and if you don't have kids, there's nothing truer about kids.
Then a lot of those days with the four year olds,
they last a long time, but you look up and
they're thirteen years old. And in the NFL, any week
can surprise you. I mean, you look up Sunday and
you're like, Patriots beat Bengals. But over the course of time,
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if you have an elite top ten quarterback and a
B plus up coach, and there's a lot of B
plus and above coaches, you're gonna win your division or
be a wild card team. Almost across the board. I
mean Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes already lead
their division and Justin Herbert's unbeaten. I mean, if you
start looking at the AFC standings right now, you know Bills,
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Texans chief chargers and not big surprise. They got great quarterbacks,
more than capable coaches. Sean McDermott's more than capable. And
if you go look over at the NFC, it's like,
I mean, nobody is separated in the NFC, so let's
not make any opinion on that. But I mean, the
Saints and Buccaneers Falcons look like the three best teams
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because they have they appear to have really good quarterbacks.
I think the Saints will cool off eventually again Seahawks,
haven't you know, Seahawks basically got a rookie quarterback in
Jacoby Brissett. I don't think Seattle's going seventeen to zero,
So there's just not that many surprises. And now you know,
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like one of the things I've said, the argument for
us in this sportscasting business is what do you do
with a team like Detroit where Jared Goff when things
go right, is excellent, but isn't going to give you
anything off script, which generally helps in the playoffs. And
Dan Campbell. I think Detroit's one of the really hard
teams to get your arms around because we know Dan
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Campbell is a tough guy and change the culture. I
don't trust him situationally at all. He's already had a
whiff this year situationally, and the playoffs are all about
situational football. And Jared Goff I've defended forever, but he
gives you nothing off script. And that's the difference between
winning playoff games and losing him is off script. Like
(37:52):
Kirk Cousins doesn't win a lot of playoff games. You
got to do stuff that the defense isn't expecting or
can't defend. The NFL is much more predictable than people
think the stock market is. Similarly, the stock market has
wild swings. I've been in the stock market since nineteen
eighty eight. Seven out of eight years, it goes up.
(38:14):
You put your money in it. Thirty years later you
put a four oh one k a roth Ira. You
got some mutual funds. They'll go up week to week,
day to day. It's all over the place. You'll even
have bad years. You'll have receessions, you'll have terrible Yeah.
Good coaches. I mean Sean McVay appears to be having
a horrible season. He had one a couple years ago.
It's a great coach. So it's NFL. You got the
(38:36):
right quarterback and you have beat plus coach, you're gonna
be a playoff team. Yeah, six out of seven years,
unless you have cluster injuries, which the Rams now do
on the offensive line. Tonight, J mack a game we
have the week three schedule. So I'm gonna give you
the schedule for our television audience. If I said to
you games that feel big, now it's week three, We're
(38:58):
not going to be ridiculous. But I will tell you
a couple of games that I think feel really big.
I think tonight feels big. And the reason I say
that is, can you imagine if the Jets lost, what
we would talk about tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
We thought Patriots are gonna go winless in the division,
and now it's like whoa who has gone for four weeks?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
They just make Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
The Jets don't look good.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, So tonight's game is one of those. It looks Dullsville.
It's huge. It's a big one. I'll tell you. Bears
at Colts, Caleb goes zero to three and can't beat
Anthony Richards.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
You know they won their opener.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Oh you're right, My bad, my bad.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
And those aren't really playoff teams.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
But here you have two young quarterbacks and we're starting
to have real questions.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah, that's fair. I think that Detroit Arizona game is fascinating.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
I'm just the more I read and look into the
Arizona Cardinals, there's a whiff of them being the Detroit
Lions from last year.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Arizona.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Yeah, that offense, Colin, the way they steamrolled the Bills
in the first half, the Bills made good adjustments, and
the way they just.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Boat ra the Rams. What if they do that to
the Lions. I think you've got to take this team seriously.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well, it should be noted because they're not a high
profile franchise that most fans, even fantasy football fans. Kyler's
not a first, second or third pick usually in fantasy football.
Put the good numbers this year, but if you look
now at Harrison, Connor, Connor, Mchyler McBride, they have elite players, quarterback, receiver,
(40:27):
tight end, running back like elite players. And you know,
thirty years ago a lot of teams felt like they
had it was all about defense, run gay. If you're
elite quarterback weapons, you win a lot of games in
this league. Now you win a lot of games. So
Arizona Detroit, I think I like Arizona. I don't think
(40:48):
what they did to the Rams is luck, good fortune.
I think they steam rolled them.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Eagles Saints hot seat game for Nick Sirianni. I know
you don't like to talk hot seat week three. But
that's I'm sorry, that's the reality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That our lead Monday Saints beat the Eagles. That's probably
our lead Monday.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
They want to run them out of town in Philly
now after one loss
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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