September 23, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin tells you where he was right and where he was wrong over the weekend, why the Minnesota Vikings are such a surprise team this year, and the honest reason why the Pittsburgh Steelers are 3-0 so far. Plus, Matt Hassellbeck joins the show.
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I had a good week betting three and one. I've
got the Jags plus the points tonight in Buffalo, had
Atlanta last night, felt really good about it. Had two
opportunities and couldn't get it done. Casey's defense is exceptional.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, Rodney Morrison, questionable play calls the whole field. Should
they have kicked with four minutes left to go down
by two?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I would have again, but historically Patrick Mahomes gets the ball,
he's not giving it back to you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But this is not that Patrick mahonme.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's not. And also Atlanta's got the best field goal
kicker in the league. So if I get it back,
I'd try a fifty six yard field goal. I mean
fifty yard field goals. Now, something happened in the last
two years. Everybody got bionic. People are kicking like fifty
six yard field goals. The ball goes through halfway up
the net, except for Justin Tucker, who missed another one yesterday.
Well there's everybody has a peak. He was the best
kicker for even.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
By the way, Niner special teams totally failed them at
the end, and they gave up a fake punt nine in.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Order to come back and win a game like the Rams,
did you need several things to go your way? So
number one Ronnie Bell dropped a ball. That's the game.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Did you see perty at eight completions? But I think
the broadcast said six drops six drops? By the party
was great. At least you could tell the audience. You
told me during the commercial break how great party was yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He was exceptional awesome, and I wanted to see him
without a completely stacked deck. Any poker player can win
with perfect cards. He didn't have him. And he's like Okay,
I got one guy I trust. I don't trust Ronnie Bell.
It's been out of camp, but I don't feel good
with him. I got got no Kittle, no Debo, no
Christian and a pretty good defensive front for the Rams
are some young towny guys. I was going to go
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to Jennings over and over and over, and he kept
hitting him over and over and over. It was really impressive. Yeah,
all right, Colin, right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Here we go Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I took the Ravens and I said, when it comes
to quality opponents, Dallas isn't going to beat him. And
I just said, I'll just take Lamar and John Harbaugh
on that spot. They led twenty eight to six. It
wasn't competitive. The rush defense of the Cowboys is atrocious,
thirty second in the league. And again it's not a
knock on Dak. Who was I guess fine, I'm not
gonna blame Dak. But I've watched this game so many times.
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It's the Niners, or it's Buffalo last year, or it's
Green Bay or the Saints. I don't trust Dallas, especially
at home in these big spots.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Where Colin was raw, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Think you could win with one touchdown a week. But
I was wrong on Jeff Fields. I mean, Arthur Smith,
He's he's coached out the reckless in him. Justin Still,
you know, he's not a guy who sitting in the
pocket gonna throw you four touchdown passes. But he's had
only one turnoverall season. What does this say about the Bears.
He's completing seventy three percent of his throws, So you know,
sometimes we've seen it with Sam Donald, We've seen it
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with Baker Mayfield. I didn't think Justin Fields would ever
complete seventy three percent of his throws. I was wrong,
and I did not think Pittsburgh had a chance to
go four and oh in the season.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Sam Donald's passer rating is one seventeen, and I'm just
gonna I'm gonna take one more. I'm right on this
mostly because nobody will acknowledge there's no more reckless if
you take I always said when he came into this league,
his upside is Andrew luck although I didn't think he
was that good and Carson Wentz and he ended up
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being like a worst version of Carson Wentz. And I'm
not saying and he's Andrew Luck. It's been a couple
of games, but this is who I told everybody was.
I'm like, big, strong athletic, this is what he can be.
He finally got a coach now, maybe the best young
coach in football. But he leads the NFL in touchdown passes.
I'm waiting for it to I'm waiting for the bubble
to burst as well. I'm waiting. I thought this was
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the weekend he looked better than.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Last weekend where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Malie Willis, how about Coach of the Year Matt Lafleur
Tennessee gave him away. The kid is super efficient. I mean,
he just doesn't make a lot of mistakes. They're not
asking him to throw forty five times a game, but
he's making throws down the field now. And I mean,
even Jordan Love, as good as he is, it took
him years. It took him a full season to develop
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once he started. I didn't see this coming from a
mile away. I never thought he'd play. I mean, I'd
said the last couple of weeks everybody wanted to bet certainty.
You like, I'm just staying away from Green Bay. This
is a mess, not at all. We're gonna win that division.
I think I really believe.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
That where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Bow Knicks, Hey, I just kept saying, do not be
surprised if bo Nicks, because he's got an offensive coach,
doesn't have the best rookie season. Now again, he's more
athletic than everybody gets him credit for. Here's what I like.
They're not babysitting in now. Listen, he's not lighting the
league up, but they're making him throw thirty six forty
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times a game. And on script yesterday he was pretty
darn good. Again, you all bailed on him so he
couldn't move the ball against Pittsburgh. He opened up at
one of the loudest stadiums against Mike McDonald and a
talented Seahawk defense. This kid can play. And I said,
don't be shocked if after the rookie year, with all
these young quarterbacks with defensive coaches in defensive cultures, don't
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be surprised at bow Knicks after one year doesn't look
like the best statistically of all these quarterbacks. Where Colin
was right, Juwan Jennings, I'd love this guy last cup
of years. I think he's the best third receiver on
any team in the NFL. For the San Francisco forty
nine ers, he's just tremendous. Eleven catches, sixteen yards at catch.
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He was a big, tall, lanky kid out of Tennessee.
Now he's put on strength and Rock Perty and Brandon
Ayuk are totally out of sorts, so he is looking
for him. And how many six four, six y five
corners do you have in the NFL? Not many. He's
a body advantage. Where Colin was raw, not just that
USC lost, but the way they were bullied. I thought
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it would be a low scoring game. USC's offensive line
was completely utterly overwhelmed and the bad tackling by USC
reared its head. You know what they looked like at
the end of that game, kind of a soft Pac
twelve team. I'm sorry, that's what they looked like. And
I thought that was gone. Michigan ran for two hundred
and ninety yards, had three huge runs, and I again,
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we knew that Michigan had the best defensive front in
the country, and we knew the USC's O line was
talented but young, but that was ugly. They literally could
not protect Miller Moss. Where Colin was right five of
the eight Philadelphia Eagle touchdowns or Saquon Barkley. I said,
this poor kid's never had a good offensive line. Can
you imagine Saquon Barkley with the Eagles offensive line without him?
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There's an argument Philadelphia is zero to three. He has
just been incredible. And to let in your division a
player the level of Saquon Barkley go as a general manager,
it's almost a fireable offense. Where Colin was right well.
Aaron Rodgers twenty four of the thirty two. Twenty four
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of thirty two fan bases last week voted Aaron Rodgers'
most annoying quarterback. I've been saying for years. I'm not
picking on him. I'd vote him in the Hall of
Fame first ballot. I think he's smart, cerebral guy. I
think he's complex. I think he's interesting. But it's gotten
to a point over the last five or six years
where it's kind of like, OK, Aaron, we get it.
You don't get along with your family, you don't get
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along with the media, you don't think the government's on
the up and up. I get it, But you are
franchise quarterback and that's the most important thing. But yeah,
I've been saying I'm not an anti Errand guy. Twenty
four to thirty two fan Basis said, yeah, that's the
most annoying guy.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Haitlin Clark. The WNBA just did not have any idea
she was going to be this good. According to the
Associated Press, a unanimous Rookie of the Year fourth and
MVP voting, she was also the most flagrantly fouled player,
which is a bit alarming. My takeaway has been we
said this when she was at college. She's Steph Curry.
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She's got a shooting range that nobody else in the
league has. In fact, she's the first WNBA player ever
that led the league in assists and was top ten
in scoring. She is a you know, I mean that
the comps on Curry. People doubted Steph Curry had an
injury early and people bailed he was too small. There's
just nothing like her, Her tempo, her pace, her range.
She's an unbelievable player. She was gonna work on the WNBA.
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I didn't know she'd this good this fast. But it's
been remarkable to watch. Where Colin was right, where Colin
was wrong. The NFL is just one of my favorite
things about the NFL is that the margins are so thin.
It's a special teams player. They're one or two of those.
By the Rams, you know, missing Puka and missing Cooper Cup.
You just stay close in the NFL. Atlanted to Philadelphia
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on Monday night, Rams San Francisco, you just stay close.
It is amazing what can happen in this league. And
Matt Hasselbeck was in this league for eighteen years, three
Pro Bowls. I want to start with Brock Purty and
I don't know if we touched on this last week,
I said, I'd know it's been a little bit of
a critic. I'd said, come on, it's a Mercedes, just
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don't drive it into a tree. It's these guys. It's
like it's like nine Hall of Famers. Let's contextualize this.
But you know what, no Christian, no Debot, no Kittle,
I you can hammer out of sorts. I sat there
and watched it yesterday and I'm like, he's a I
would sign him. I mean, it's just like I I
can't sit here and punish him forever because he went
in the seventh round. People missed on him. What's your
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take on Purdy.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yeah, well, I love you, Colin, but I could not
disagree with you more. Rock Purty is an absolute baller.
Like the guy does not get enough credit. I really
don't enjoy the criticisms of him that his team's so
good around him, because turn on the tape. This guy
is an absolute machine. I think he's lucky to have
Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, no doubt about that. But Kyle Shanahan's
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fortunate to have him as well. This is a match
made in heaven. I thought he was outstanding yesterday. You know,
people will look at the three touchdowns, they should also
look at the no interceptions. He protects the ball well,
he delivers on double moves, He uses his legs when
he needs to use his legs. He's very good at
what I call kyp Know your personnel.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
It's not about who's not out there, it's about who
is out there.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And Jawan Jenning's been playing with football for a couple
of years now, and he leaned on him because he
needed to. But it was outstanding and it wasn't like
he was going to his first read. He was you know,
there was this design play to go to somebody else.
It's not there he's cool and calm, and he gets
to number two it's a touchdown. So I think he's
a really good player that doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, I felt this about New England when I
live back in Connecticut. I watched every game, and certain
teams are so comfortable in these late game situations. I
feel the same way with Kansas City. They started as
a high flying offense. They were known as the comeback
team that could be down twenty four ten, it didn't matter.
Now they're like New England, great coach, great quarterback, led
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by their defense, situationally insane. Did you ever play a
team that you got into these late game situations and
you just kind of felt like, Oh, we're going to
win this game. This is what we do. Because I'm
sitting there watching it and I'm like, I think they
got into Atlanta's head with field goal kicking. Just they're
so comfortable late. Have you ever played on a team
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like that.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, it reminds me a lot of you know, Andrey's
the head coach in Kansas City, but it reminds me
a lot of when Needy Reid was the quarterback coach
in Green Bay and Brett Farv was the quarterback. You know,
I'm not sure that we felt any differently as the Packers,
but you knew that the opponent felt like, ah, shoot here,
you know, it's two minutes, it's third down, it's red zone.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Their quarterback is going to do something miraculous.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And I think that's what people feel like with Patrick Mahomes.
And sure there's going to be an element of like, oh,
the ball always falls his way, the refs are always
on his side, you know, some of that stuff, But
whatever it is, it's I think it's an intangible where
you know.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
And Andy Reid said this one time about Brett Farv.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
He said he has a way of intimidating the opponent
without even.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Saying a word. And I think that's what you see
in Kansas City right now with Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah. No, I agree, they're intimidating and they don't have
to verbalize it. So I keep waiting. I love Darnold
and there calling.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
The other thing is like they're not playing their best
football and they're undefeated.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Like that's the crazy thing. Like offensively, they're really.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Not playing that well offensively except for the situations that
I just mentioned, and they're still three and oh so like,
what does that mean the teams around the league, like
Buffalo or I don't know, the Steelers or Baltimore, they're saying, shoot,
you know, the AFC Championship might be running through Kansas.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
City again, which is wild, Like no one should be thinking.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
That way, but it's probably what guys are talking about
when they're sitting around the locker room, like, man, can
you believe the Chiefs are three and zero?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Like it looks like their year once again.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So I'm seeing multiple examples of great coaching, taking quarterbacks
and coaching the reckless out of them. Donald in Minnesota,
Malik Willis in Green Bay, justin Fields by the way,
Arthur Smith and Pittsburgh. These are talented young guys, but
they can be reckless. And I'm watching I'm watching these coaches.
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I mean, let's talk Sam Darnold. I loved him, but
I always he started becoming Carson Wentz injuries and turnovers.
What is Kevin O'Connell doing with Donald.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Well, he's given him a lot of confidence and he's
playing very decisively. That's why he's been so good on
third down. It's why he's being so good in the
red zone.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
They're also using.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
A lot of what I would call pure progression reads,
which is kind of a Bill Walsh thing back in
the day. And this is the philosophy sort of the
opposite of the Tom Landry philosophy.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
The Tom Landry philosophy was.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Kind of like, all right, let's see what the coverage
is and that dictates where we start our progression. The
Bill Walsh philosophy is, I do not care what coverage
you are playing. You can try to disguise your coverage.
I don't care if it's a man, I don't care.
If it's zone, I don't care if it's bl I
don't care. I'm going through my progression. It's a full
field one, two, three, four, five, and my eyes will
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just like, do you like door number one?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Nah?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
What about door number two? Nah? Door number three? Sure?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
And like you just keep going through it. It's like
those old school sprinklers where they go you just got
to sweep the board and it takes a lot of
the thinking out of it and you just tie the
rhythm of your footwork to the per aggression. And so
they're mixing in a good amount of that. They're also
using play action on first down, where the offensive line
is firing out and they're blocking run and it creates
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a nice little pocket and so the offensive line they
don't have to sit back in seven step drop past
pass protection. So you're giving him time, you're giving him
constant confidence, and that's that's I think you're going to
see the best of Sam Darnold, you know, in this
first part of the season because of it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, for years and years I've thought that Dallas
Cowboys are a bit dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, it's like the corner store. It's all the
Jones kids, and it's a little dysfunctional. But Dak was good,
the coaching was solid. They had on some draft picks.
But over the course of time, it's it's hard to
overcome dysfunction. And I said this week, and I'm going
to take Baltimore to beat Dallas. I just they're more functional.
I like him in big games. And I watched Dallas yesterday.
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And I'm not blaming the players of the coaching. Jerry's
the GM he's eighty one. I don't think they have
that many good players. In the last six months. I've
seen Green Bay last year and Buffalo last year trounce him.
I've seen New Orleans and Baltimore trounce them. I don't
think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach. I don't think Dak's
a bad quarterback. I look at those games, Matt, I
don't think Dallas has enough good players. I just that's
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what I see. What do you see?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Well, I think defensively they were exposed by Baltimore. You know,
Lamar Jackson's obviously a great player, Derek Henry is a
great runner, but.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I don't think it would have really mattered.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
There were so many double digit runs from Derrick Henry
where no one even touched him Lamar's touchdown that it
would have been a touchdown in flag football. So like,
I just they're not getting a pass rush like they
did under dan Quinn. There certainly they have no gap
integrity like they did under dan Quinn. And you know,
I think one of the best things that Dallas has
done in the past recently with their defenses, they've created
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turnovers and all that ties together with everybody doing their job. Everybody,
like you heard Michael Parson's talking about it, like we
don't need a superman, we don't need superheroes. We just
need everyone to do their job. And how it fits together.
So I think defensively they're learning on the fly. They're
not playing great football, and they got embarrassed at home.
But you know, I would also just say, like the
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best thing for them. I think they got a Thursday
night game against the New York Giants. That's probably the
best thing for them. Like they'll they should come out,
get back to basics.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Short week.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
The short week should help them in a huge way.
That opponent is not a very difficult opponent. Is that
in terms of like things that scare you. They've got
a little bit of explosiveness, but not much. So I
think it's kind of the perfect get right game for
them because they did get embarrassed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think about yourself included, you played in Green Bay for
three years, so it's far but it's hassledback and it's Aaron,
and it's Love.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
That starting starting hold. They're really good on fake field goals.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Appreciate, but they can spot quarterback talent. Farv was down
in Atlanta, Aaron dropped in the draft. Jordan Love had
his critics. Malik Willis they basically it was a heist.
They just took him. Myself included, I'm like I'm not
sure he can play. He joined after the fifty three
roster cuts. The kid's been on campus an hour.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I mean Green Bay has done it like seven times.
They've spotted one of you guys, and is it. You know,
they don't have the pressure of an impulsive owner. You're
not gonna get sidetracked in Green Bay. There's not a
ton to do. I don't know what it is. There's
nothing like it in sports. They just don't miss on quarterback.
Take me to your experience there.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Well, you're absolutely right about you know, the football people
are the football people in that building. And it started
for us with Ron Wolfe. I mean even when I
got drafted.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
There, we had the.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Three years in a row MVP and Brett fav coming
off of two consecutive Super Bowls, and Ron wolf Mike Congrind.
They would say, we're going to draft a quarterback every
single year. That's just what we're going to do. Whether
it was you know the guys that you mentioned or
other guys, they invest in that quarterback position. I even
remember when Ray Rhodes was there, we drafted Aaron Brooks
when you know I was I was going in to
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my second year, and I think Ray Rhoades said to me,
We're going to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That's just what we're going to do here in Green Bay.
And I think you've seen it work.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You know, people freaked out when they drafted Aaron Rodgers
when Brett Farv was the guy. They freaked out when
they drafted Jordan Love when Aaron.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Rodgers was the guy.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
And I do think that Matt Lafleur is probably one
of the most underrated coaches in the game. He's done
a great job of protecting Malik, not focusing on what
Malik isn't good at, but he's focused on what he
is good at, and he's really pulled out some of
those some of those Marcus Mariota runs, you know, the
design quarterback runs in key moments, but also in.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
The passing game.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think, like I would say it this way, it's
your day one, two, three Ota install game game plan,
Like we're not gonna try to prove how smart we
are as coaches. We're gonna we're gonna make sure that
you know what you're doing. You're gonna throw on time,
and you're gonna play well you're gonna play fast, and
he's done a great job. So credit to the coaching
staff and credit to Malik for playing some really good football.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, really efficient, really smart. It's really cool to watch
Andy Dalton, the Malik Willis a Sam Darnold, a Baker
Mayfield and Derek Carr. I think it's great is that
as we're rushing all these young guys in and you're
realizing you've got to be really smart and experienced, like
like to take the live bullets in the NFL. It's
a hard Used to me when I was a kid,
it was hitting a baseball was the hardest thing to do,
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and that's really hard. But the athletes now, the coverage
is the intensity, the you know, defensive players are bigger, stronger, faster.
I love watching all these guys we've bailed on circle back.
It's awesome. I mean, you must love it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Well, it's a team sport.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And like you mentioned Andy Dalton as an example, like
you know, everyone's just wanted to pile on the Carolina Panthers,
Like the Carolina Panthers are so dysfunctional all this, like
there's something there's a reason why people pay sort of.
I want to say, like unathletic overage looking quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You know, like I was forty years old, I.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Probably couldn't beat my daughter and pick up basketball in
the driveway, but I was getting paid millions of dollars
to play quarterback for the Colts, like there was a
reason why.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
And because it is so it's so much of it
is mental.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
So much of it is just getting the ball out
of your hands and into the hands of the athletes.
And so Andy Dalton probably a much better athlete than
I was at the end of my career, but he
is sat back for a couple of years now and said.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Okay, what would what do we need to do better?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
And he goes in that game and plays maybe the
best football of any quarterback this Sunday, Yeah, and just
delivers the ball on time accurately. Again, kyp, No, your personnel,
find the guys that you know need the ball more,
need opportunities more.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I'm thinking of the Adam Field like he wasn't wide open.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But if you throw the ball with conviction and confidence
to a guy that you believe in, you're going to
throw the ball well.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
And it's just it's just the nature of it.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
It reminds me of This situation reminds me a little
bit of when Andrew luck was the starting quarterback in India.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
We were struggling. I think we were like oh and four,
oh and five owen something.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And I come in as a forty year old when
Andrew got hurt, and I realized not so much what
we couldn't do, but like what we could do, Like, hey,
maybe we couldn't throw the ball downfield, we couldn't protect
or whatever, but we need What we can do is
we can get the ball into t Y Hilton's hands.
We can use on Maud Bradshaw in the run game.
And we started, we went on a tear. We won
the next four and so like there's something. It's maybe
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not a long term solution, but there's something to learn
here from Carolina that I think the whole not only
the Panthers can learn from, but everyone around the league
can learn from this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Matt Hasselback three Pro Bowls, eighteen years. He's our Monday
top of our second hour guest. We love having them.
We all get smarter and good seeing.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
You man, see You're great to see you two.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
All right, Matt Hasselbeck. By the way, he mentioned this
Cowboys Giants is a very competitive game. New York's offensive
lines playing better neighbors is an absolute number one. What's
the spread on that four or five? I would guess
Dallas favorite, Dallas humiliated, probably a four point favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So last week, before Dallas got embarrassed by the Ravens,
it was Dallas by seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I was gonna say, Giants look much more functional and
Cleveland's bad.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Do you want any numbers here, because I.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Let me guess one. Give me a game and don't
guess it. Well, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
How many games has DAK won in a row against
the New York Giants nine twelve by an average of
seventeen points per game. Last year they won by eighty
nine to seventeen combined. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Giants are much more functional now, don't overreact to a one.
Dallas is gonna win, especially when they're humiliated. Talented.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, Dallas and the Bears two early week games I've
circled in.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's you don't like Dallas.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, I mean Dak's wins have come over Washington and
New York, and for the last ten years they've been
the most dysfunctional they've ever been as franchises. Yeah so,
I mean, last eight years, Dak's feasted. Forty percent of
his wins are against those teams. That's that's an insane
and that's why I always sell my thing on I
said before Baltimore, I said, I'm sorry John Harball, Lamar
Dak McCarthy. I don't care what the game's at. I'm
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taking Baltimore, who came up with a better game plan,
more resilient like Dallas has no chin. You got a
shot in them. They're not in for the fight like
they they're all yelling at each other.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
On the side, CD lamb stuff is not That's not
a good.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Look for him.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
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Speaker 5 (24:49):
On the News, This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Biggest sweat for me yesterday was Eagles Saints. I don't
know how much you watched this game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I thought it was un believable theater.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Eagles dominated this game, should have won handily, but you
know they they really struggled. Ultimately, the Saints offense, which
was so hot the first two weeks, Colin they could
do nothing well.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The Eagles shut down Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Dick Fonzio, yep, added a defensive lineman instead of forefront.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
They went five Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It was it was a little like Belichick against McVeigh
and the Super Bowl. Also, Derek Carr missed on a
deep ball that you know, it was one of those
things where they just said, we're taking Alvin Kamara out
and if Derek Carr beats is fine. But again, when
you watch Philadelphia, it's the opposite of Dallas. Toughness, relentless,
never quit and I like their roster. They just make
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too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, and now the injuries are mounting. We'll get to
them in a second. But former Saints defensive back CJ.
Gardner Johnson had a lot to say after the game.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
We keep receipts. That's what I told Don in Locke room.
See y'all Sunday, Tod Fode. They got rid of me
and get him.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It's still in me.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's still tyle it on me.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
How you the best offense and best team if you
only been two weeks played, you still got what eight seventeen,
sixteen weeks ago. So the end of the day, we
had to just tune out the noise to understand who
we were and just go out there and play Eagle ball.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was a classic Philadelphia win. Mistakes didn't play well
on the road. That's why I told him after Monday
night lost to Atlantic. You have so many good things.
I like owner, GM, quarterbacks of it, turnover prom You
don't have to love every coach. There's just too much.
I still think they're going to win the division. It's
gonna be ten, not twelve. I'll still take them. There's
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too many good players.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
This is one of those like we're happy to get
to win if you're an Eagles fan. But a lot
of warning signs that there is trouble ahead between Sirianni's
decision making, like he wouldn't kick field goals yesterday, but.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, they've just decided they're not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I think it right? Buddy, John Middlecoff says he thinks
it comes from upstairs, like they've just decided. It's like
the Dodgers, the way they do Dave Roberts. There's decisions
made that are out of Dave Roberts hands. It's not
to say didn't have value, but like it feels like
upstairs has decided in the analytic department, we're just not
gonna kick people.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
If it's seventeen nothing, you're getting crushed. Go for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
It was three nothing in the first half and he's
not kicking fieldals.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I'm like, what are you doing? Anyways, Blaine Johnson left
with a concussion. We know he has a history of concussion.
DeVante Smith took a blo that was brutal, and you
know there's some videos online about what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Happened. It just didn't look good.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Darius Slay not Darius l big place slag got injured. Yes,
in the secondary, Like Eagles are in trouble. They are
facing Tampa. Remember the rematch in the Tampa. I'll tell
you something. They are beat up Tampa. The last two weeks.
Baker has struggled on third down. Like that game against Denver.
If you didn't watch it, and I did because I'm
into Sean and.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bow next that that thing was a blowout, like it
was seventeen You looked up and it was like Denver's
just do whatever they want offensively.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I don't know what you want to guess. Eagles at
Bucks the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Line, Sat are favored by two and a half.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Eagles by two. I don't know that I can back
them here. After that was a rough game for Philadelphia.
They again Lane Johnson historically numbers eight without him.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, they're not the same team, like the Niners without
Trent Williams. It's not the same.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't think Tampa's particularly good. We both had the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They're also beat up.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Now. I think I could take Philadelphia there. I think
I could.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Probably a past for me. But Saints, right, they're running
hot for two weeks. Everybody loves the new OC and
all of a sudden, Derek Carr kind of turns into
a pumpkin and it's like, oh, what do we have
here with the Saints?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Are they good? Are the Saints good? I think the
Saints are better coached. I think they have a very
clever offensive coordinator. This is what we said about Dan
Campbell a couple of years ago. Can he coach? And
all of a sudden you look up and you're like
who's the OC and Ben Johnson and then you're like,
look coordinators manner in this league. Clint Kubiak, I was
texting a GM yesterday. It's like that guy's gonna get
a job offer. Yeah, and that wasn't a great matchup
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for them, But again, I think in that division they're
going to score some points. I think Clint Kubiak is
we've seen this before. Kyle Shanahan with Atlanta, Matt Ryan
was the MVP of the league. Coordinators they're all making
seven figures now. The good ones are worth it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
And a note on Saints Falcons. The Saints lost their
center on the first drive and the Eagles killed them.
Jalen Carter at a huge game. But then the Falcons.
You watched that last night. Their offensive line is just
folding badly, So you know, be careful with That's a
big game, Saints Falcons, Falcons.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But I do feel like by week I feel like
the first three weeks of the season you kind of
I kind of feel like like yesterday during the Blazing five,
I felt like I was winning because I kind of
know what I have now, right Like you're over the
preseason like you can. And then also teams that are
kind of good lose a couple of starters and you're like, like,
you can really see coaching takeover. Now you're watching Minnesota
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and the Rams, You're watching injury depleted team, You're watching
Green Bay, Like the coaching is starting to separate in
this league right now.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Next up is the Chargers. They went down twenty to ten.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Tough loss to this Stealers was it was nip and
tuck until Herbert w down in the third quarter with
that ankle injury, and after that it was just a
blood back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Taylor Heineke was not ready. Here's the bad news.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
According to Ian Rappaport, X rays were negative on Herbert,
but moving forward to week four, he left in a
walking boot yesterday and the line is telling the Chiefs
are now seven point came bricks at so far Sunday
against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I don't like that line. I would take the Chargers,
but I do feel like they're a different team with her.
And you could see Herbert came out of the game
limping and you're like, yeah, I mean, you're just no again.
It'd be one thing it'd be was limping against the
Buccaneers back end, but when you're limping against the Steelers
hyper or Kansas City, when you have talented and hyper
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athletic defenses. Good night, and.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
That's going to be a problem.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
If did Harball make the right call here playing Herbert
who was fine, and then he reaggravated Colin. If he's
out any period of time, this team is in deep trouble.
No defense respects Heineke. You saw what happened to the
run game yesterday when there was no Herbert like, no
room for Dobbins to operate.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I don't know that the Chiefs can get margin, but
the Chargers just are tough.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
One.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Chargers do play them tough though they play well. Ye,
they play them well.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So you think sevens a little contact.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Listen, underdogs are covering. I took all underdogs this weekend.
I take. I'm taking Jacksonville plus the points that I
underdogs had a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
They did. The Chargers cannot lose that game.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Final story, how about the New York Giants gone nice
w in Cleveland after a terrible start, by the way,
and that one they fumbled the opening kickoff in the
Brown score but it was a Elik Neighbors show.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
This kid is just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Look at these catches.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
No, I mean, he is just it's amazing how good
he is. For the record, lsu h, do they put
out receivers or what.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
It was a guy who was crushing usc from LSU.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Remember in the in the early game this season, the
big tall kid, I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
But here's the other thing. Look at Elik leads the
NFL in targets. Here's the other thing. A couple of
weeks ago, there were a couple of days ago before
this game, there was a story that people players were
uneasy with Brian Dable. Here's the reality. And I said
this going into the game because this was one of
my picks. I picked the Giants upside the Browns. Nobody's
gonna talk about this because Neighbors is so great. But
they're offensive lines playing pretty well. Daniel Jones doesn't look
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he doesn't have nervous feet, like he's composed. He's under control.
And because Neighbors is so great, I mean, he's already
a top fifteen receiver in the league. He's a great player.
It's made all their other second and third receivers. They're
in the right space. They got a lot of Darius
Slayton's and whars so all of a sudden, now you
look at it and you're like, okay, and Daniel Jones
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is playing, like oh, I kind of feel like I
got my guy.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll say, Jim Schwartz kind of screwed this up. I
had faith in him in the Browns. He didn't have
Denzel Wards shadow Neighbors, and Neighbors was eating and then
finally he puts Ward on him late in the game
and you start to see them slow down the offense
and you're like, why didn't you do that at the jump?
But whatever, Neighbors had an awesome catch on the sideline.
Did you see where he lost that guy over his
head and pulled.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I was like, oh my gosh, no, I mean there's
so you see this. You don't see this in college
basketball or college baseball, where a guy comes into the
NFL and he is literally a top twelve player at
his position. I mean, it's you don't see it a lot.
Miles Garrett walked in and you were like, yeah, that's
gonna work.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Got hurt, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, they came into the game.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
All you talk about worst team in the league, is
it the Browns home, the Panthers competent.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Let's just be honest, Deshaun Watson, I mean I don't
I don't know. You can't get out of the contract,
Like I don't think you canna play anymore. Whatever. I
don't know what it is. Maybe it's mental. There's a
lot of stuff going on, but I'm watching that game.
I had more confidence in Daniel Jones with Day Bowl
than watching with Stefansk.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
The offensive line is future and nobody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Played for the Rams either. Stafford was amazing. Stafford's got
backups everywhere. They're amazing. Jmck with the news, Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the third Line News.
I'll give the Steeler some love.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
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Speaker 3 (34:09):
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Speaker 4 (34:12):
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Speaker 1 (34:25):
Appen Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are off to a pretty
surprising three and zho start. Let's add context to it.
They face Kirk Cousins in the opener, coming off a surgery,
who just wasn't moving. Then they faced bo Nix in
his second career start in a Denver roster that's okay,
and then yesterday they faced fifty sixty percent at best
Justin Herbert, who left the game early. They're averaging one
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touchdown a game, which is tied for last in the league.
I'm sorry, Steeler fan, there's a ceiling to this, but
we always felt with Pittsburgh. Yeah, there you look at it,
they're like last or twenty eighth and virtually everything a
I'm happy for Justin Fields, and it's a great sign
that Arthur Smith is getting the most out of it.
I never thought Justin Fields would complete seventy three percent
of his throws. He looked lost in Chicago, which just
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that looks even worse for the Bears now that Justin
Fields can play. This is simultaneously good for the Steelers
and terrible for Chicago. The other thing is the Steelers
this year were always about the end of the season.
I think it's the roughest if Lamar Jackson, if Jalen Hurts.
If Burrow were healthy, I've never seen a schedule that
ends like Pittsburgh does, with eight straight brutal games, most
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against rivals, just the quarterbacks they would face. Now, Cleveland
does not look very good, So that's the break. But
it's Lamar Jackson to Shaun Watson, Joe Burrow a couple
of times, Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts, that is thank god.
Cleveland's a mess. They probably have to get better, and
you cross your fingers, but it's nothing against it. It's
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good for the Steelers. It's a bad look for the Bears.
But we have to be honest about this. I Steeler fans,
you've never been under five hundred. I get it. You
can't score one touchdown a game, and there's a total
ceiling to this. But and the ceiling is Kirk Cousins
off surgery, rookie and Justin Herbert got hurt. But when
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you do start looking at that schedule, the reality is
in the NFL. Now they face this week a quarterback
that could be worse than all of them you faced,
because right now, Anthony Richardson is a fifty percent completion guy,
and if you go four to zero. In this league,
you can play five hundred football the rest of the season.
You get to the last weeks, you're a ten and
sixteen going into the last week. If you're five hundred
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and so the Steelers will be a five hundred team,
you'd think the rest of the way. So this Indianapolis game,
you know, then you got some games after that where
it's a you know, Giants offense and the Raiders offense,
and you get a buy in Washington's young. You know, again,
there's surprises like minnesot I look at the Minnesota Vikings
and I'm like, oh, that that team could play in
the conference championship. Their defense is playing great, their special
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teams kicker can't miss, and their offense is insane, and
they have an offensive wizard as a head coach. That
feels like it it can stay.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Saints is like, that's Derek Carr. I don't trust Dennis Allen.
It's a hot start, but let's settle down. I feel
like we should settle down a little bit. The Steelers,
although it should be noted it's the real winner here
is justin Fields. There is no way in the world
they're taking him out. He's completing seventy three percent of
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his throws. Arthur Smith has clearly coached the reckless out
of him. In fact, with Darnold it was reckless. With
Justin Fields, it was like, can you see the guys
that are open? So there is some unbelievable coaching going on.
Here's Justin.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
After the w I feel like I'm just very calm
out there, cool, calm and collected on the field and
really just just assys with peace out there on the
field and not really you know, rushing things, and certainly
in my brain, just staying calm in the podcat and
I'm just you know, making plays when I can and
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just doing my job.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Good for him, some of the coaching going on Kevin O'Connell,
Sean McVay yesterday, Arthur Smith deserves credit. And again, the
ceiling for Justin Fields was he was the worst fourth
quarter quarterback in the league for a couple of years.
I'm like, I don't think he can play. I didn't
think Malik Willis. I'man like, I don't know, Malik Willis
looks good. Justin looks good. Darnold's on fire, like MVP
level on fire. Andy Dalton yesterday was insane. He may
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have had the best game of any quarterback. So you're
seeing some real coaching going on, and that's it's pretty encouraging.
That's why people in Philadelphia are freaking out. They're looking
around saying, we're seeing all this great coaching. We think
we're good except for the coaching. So you have to
be very careful about interim coaches though. In Chicago, be careful,
be careful. Interim coach wins four or five games, then
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all of a sudden, there's that's the guy, and you're like,
I don't know, I don't know if that's the guy.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Hey, can I ask you the Steelers three and oh start?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I know this schedule is brutal, but Colin, if you
start to look at the FC, I think we would
agree with Miami Dolphins are not a playoff team. They're
not even content, not not with I was gonna be
on He's on. IR's out for a while. This Charger's
Herbert situation. Can we remove them the Chargers from contention
for a playoff spot? It's Week four? You don't you
don't think the Herbert thing is gonna linger? This is
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it's in a walking boot. In August lose Sunday. Are
you gonna say, Okay? Can we now say they're two
after they beat the Broncos. I'm just trying to eliminate teams.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Do I know in the AFC there's special Buffalo Cincinnati.
If Joe Burrow's playing, they're Rowe and two? Can I know?
But they're they're gonna win tonight.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Casey, New York Jets, Houston Texans. I can't believe this.
Pittsburgh's gonna make.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
The playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Honestly, even with the schedule.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I had a good week betting three and one. I've
got the Jags plus the points tonight in Buffalo, had
Atlanta last night, felt really good about it. Had two
opportunities and couldn't get it done. Casey's defense is exceptional.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, Rodney Morrison, questionable play calls the whole field. Should
they have kicked with four minutes left to go down
by two?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I would have again, but historically Patrick Mahomes gets the ball,
he's not giving it back to you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But this is not that Patrick mahonme.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's not. And also Atlanta's got the best field goal
kicker in the league. So if I get it back,
I'd try a fifty six yard field goal. I mean
fifty yard field goals. Now, something happened in the last
two years. Everybody got bionic. People are kicking like fifty
six yard field goals. The ball goes through halfway up
the net, except for Justin Tucker, who missed another one yesterday.
Well there's everybody has a peak. He was the best
kicker for even.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
By the way, Niner special teams totally failed them at
the end, and they gave up a fake punt nine in.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Order to come back and win a game like the Rams,
did you need several things to go your way? So
number one Ronnie Bell dropped a ball. That's the game.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Did you see perty at eight completions? But I think
the broadcast said six drops six drops? By the party
was great. At least you could tell the audience. You
told me during the commercial break how great party was yesterday.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He was exceptional awesome, and I wanted to see him
without a completely stacked deck. Any poker player can win
with perfect cards. He didn't have him. And he's like Okay,
I got one guy I trust. I don't trust Ronnie Bell.
It's been out of camp, but I don't feel good
with him. I got got no Kittle, no Debo, no
Christian and a pretty good defensive front for the Rams
are some young towny guys. I was going to go
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to Jennings over and over and over, and he kept
hitting him over and over and over. It was really impressive. Yeah,
all right, Colin, right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Here we go Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I took the Ravens and I said, when it comes
to quality opponents, Dallas isn't going to beat him. And
I just said, I'll just take Lamar and John Harbaugh
on that spot. They led twenty eight to six. It
wasn't competitive. The rush defense of the Cowboys is atrocious,
thirty second in the league. And again it's not a
knock on Dak. Who was I guess fine, I'm not
gonna blame Dak. But I've watched this game so many times.
(02:45):
It's the Niners, or it's Buffalo last year, or it's
Green Bay or the Saints. I don't trust Dallas, especially
at home in these big spots.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Where Colin was raw, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Think you could win with one touchdown a week. But
I was wrong on Jeff Fields. I mean, Arthur Smith,
He's he's coached out the reckless in him. Justin Still,
you know, he's not a guy who sitting in the
pocket gonna throw you four touchdown passes. But he's had
only one turnoverall season. What does this say about the Bears.
He's completing seventy three percent of his throws, So you know,
sometimes we've seen it with Sam Donald, We've seen it
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with Baker Mayfield. I didn't think Justin Fields would ever
complete seventy three percent of his throws. I was wrong,
and I did not think Pittsburgh had a chance to
go four and oh in the season.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Sam Donald's passer rating is one seventeen, and I'm just
gonna I'm gonna take one more. I'm right on this
mostly because nobody will acknowledge there's no more reckless if
you take I always said when he came into this league,
his upside is Andrew luck although I didn't think he
was that good and Carson Wentz and he ended up
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being like a worst version of Carson Wentz. And I'm
not saying and he's Andrew Luck. It's been a couple
of games, but this is who I told everybody was.
I'm like, big, strong athletic, this is what he can be.
He finally got a coach now, maybe the best young
coach in football. But he leads the NFL in touchdown passes.
I'm waiting for it to I'm waiting for the bubble
to burst as well. I'm waiting. I thought this was
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the weekend he looked better than.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Last weekend where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Malie Willis, how about Coach of the Year Matt Lafleur
Tennessee gave him away. The kid is super efficient. I mean,
he just doesn't make a lot of mistakes. They're not
asking him to throw forty five times a game, but
he's making throws down the field now. And I mean,
even Jordan Love, as good as he is, it took
him years. It took him a full season to develop
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once he started. I didn't see this coming from a
mile away. I never thought he'd play. I mean, I'd
said the last couple of weeks everybody wanted to bet certainty.
You like, I'm just staying away from Green Bay. This
is a mess, not at all. We're gonna win that division.
I think I really believe.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
That where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Bow Knicks, Hey, I just kept saying, do not be
surprised if bo Nicks, because he's got an offensive coach,
doesn't have the best rookie season. Now again, he's more
athletic than everybody gets him credit for. Here's what I like.
They're not babysitting in now. Listen, he's not lighting the
league up, but they're making him throw thirty six forty
(05:25):
times a game. And on script yesterday he was pretty
darn good. Again, you all bailed on him so he
couldn't move the ball against Pittsburgh. He opened up at
one of the loudest stadiums against Mike McDonald and a
talented Seahawk defense. This kid can play. And I said,
don't be shocked if after the rookie year, with all
these young quarterbacks with defensive coaches in defensive cultures, don't
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be surprised at bow Knicks after one year doesn't look
like the best statistically of all these quarterbacks. Where Colin
was right, Juwan Jennings, I'd love this guy last cup
of years. I think he's the best third receiver on
any team in the NFL. For the San Francisco forty
nine ers, he's just tremendous. Eleven catches, sixteen yards at catch.
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He was a big, tall, lanky kid out of Tennessee.
Now he's put on strength and Rock Perty and Brandon
Ayuk are totally out of sorts, so he is looking
for him. And how many six four, six y five
corners do you have in the NFL? Not many. He's
a body advantage. Where Colin was raw, not just that
USC lost, but the way they were bullied. I thought
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it would be a low scoring game. USC's offensive line
was completely utterly overwhelmed and the bad tackling by USC
reared its head. You know what they looked like at
the end of that game, kind of a soft Pac
twelve team. I'm sorry, that's what they looked like. And
I thought that was gone. Michigan ran for two hundred
and ninety yards, had three huge runs, and I again,
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we knew that Michigan had the best defensive front in
the country, and we knew the USC's O line was
talented but young, but that was ugly. They literally could
not protect Miller Moss. Where Colin was right five of
the eight Philadelphia Eagle touchdowns or Saquon Barkley. I said,
this poor kid's never had a good offensive line. Can
you imagine Saquon Barkley with the Eagles offensive line without him?
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There's an argument Philadelphia is zero to three. He has
just been incredible. And to let in your division a
player the level of Saquon Barkley go as a general manager,
it's almost a fireable offense. Where Colin was right well.
Aaron Rodgers twenty four of the thirty two. Twenty four
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of thirty two fan bases last week voted Aaron Rodgers'
most annoying quarterback. I've been saying for years. I'm not
picking on him. I'd vote him in the Hall of
Fame first ballot. I think he's smart, cerebral guy. I
think he's complex. I think he's interesting. But it's gotten
to a point over the last five or six years
where it's kind of like, OK, Aaron, we get it.
You don't get along with your family, you don't get
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along with the media, you don't think the government's on
the up and up. I get it, But you are
franchise quarterback and that's the most important thing. But yeah,
I've been saying I'm not an anti Errand guy. Twenty
four to thirty two fan Basis said, yeah, that's the
most annoying guy.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Haitlin Clark. The WNBA just did not have any idea
she was going to be this good. According to the
Associated Press, a unanimous Rookie of the Year fourth and
MVP voting, she was also the most flagrantly fouled player,
which is a bit alarming. My takeaway has been we
said this when she was at college. She's Steph Curry.
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She's got a shooting range that nobody else in the
league has. In fact, she's the first WNBA player ever
that led the league in assists and was top ten
in scoring. She is a you know, I mean that
the comps on Curry. People doubted Steph Curry had an
injury early and people bailed he was too small. There's
just nothing like her, Her tempo, her pace, her range.
She's an unbelievable player. She was gonna work on the WNBA.
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I didn't know she'd this good this fast. But it's
been remarkable to watch. Where Colin was right, where Colin
was wrong. The NFL is just one of my favorite
things about the NFL is that the margins are so thin.
It's a special teams player. They're one or two of those.
By the Rams, you know, missing Puka and missing Cooper Cup.
You just stay close in the NFL. Atlanted to Philadelphia
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on Monday night, Rams San Francisco, you just stay close.
It is amazing what can happen in this league. And
Matt Hasselbeck was in this league for eighteen years, three
Pro Bowls. I want to start with Brock Purty and
I don't know if we touched on this last week,
I said, I'd know it's been a little bit of
a critic. I'd said, come on, it's a Mercedes, just
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don't drive it into a tree. It's these guys. It's
like it's like nine Hall of Famers. Let's contextualize this.
But you know what, no Christian, no Debot, no Kittle,
I you can hammer out of sorts. I sat there
and watched it yesterday and I'm like, he's a I
would sign him. I mean, it's just like I I
can't sit here and punish him forever because he went
in the seventh round. People missed on him. What's your
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take on Purdy.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Yeah, well, I love you, Colin, but I could not
disagree with you more. Rock Purty is an absolute baller.
Like the guy does not get enough credit. I really
don't enjoy the criticisms of him that his team's so
good around him, because turn on the tape. This guy
is an absolute machine. I think he's lucky to have
Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, no doubt about that. But Kyle Shanahan's
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fortunate to have him as well. This is a match
made in heaven. I thought he was outstanding yesterday. You know,
people will look at the three touchdowns, they should also
look at the no interceptions. He protects the ball well,
he delivers on double moves, He uses his legs when
he needs to use his legs. He's very good at
what I call kyp Know your personnel.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
It's not about who's not out there, it's about who
is out there.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And Jawan Jenning's been playing with football for a couple
of years now, and he leaned on him because he
needed to. But it was outstanding and it wasn't like
he was going to his first read. He was you know,
there was this design play to go to somebody else.
It's not there he's cool and calm, and he gets
to number two it's a touchdown. So I think he's
a really good player that doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, I felt this about New England when I
live back in Connecticut. I watched every game, and certain
teams are so comfortable in these late game situations. I
feel the same way with Kansas City. They started as
a high flying offense. They were known as the comeback
team that could be down twenty four ten, it didn't matter.
Now they're like New England, great coach, great quarterback, led
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by their defense, situationally insane. Did you ever play a
team that you got into these late game situations and
you just kind of felt like, Oh, we're going to
win this game. This is what we do. Because I'm
sitting there watching it and I'm like, I think they
got into Atlanta's head with field goal kicking. Just they're
so comfortable late. Have you ever played on a team
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like that.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, it reminds me a lot of you know, Andrey's
the head coach in Kansas City, but it reminds me
a lot of when Needy Reid was the quarterback coach
in Green Bay and Brett Farv was the quarterback. You know,
I'm not sure that we felt any differently as the Packers,
but you knew that the opponent felt like, ah, shoot here,
you know, it's two minutes, it's third down, it's red zone.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Their quarterback is going to do something miraculous.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
And I think that's what people feel like with Patrick Mahomes.
And sure there's going to be an element of like, oh,
the ball always falls his way, the refs are always
on his side, you know, some of that stuff, But
whatever it is, it's I think it's an intangible where
you know.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
And Andy Reid said this one time about Brett Farv.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
He said he has a way of intimidating the opponent
without even.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Saying a word. And I think that's what you see
in Kansas City right now with Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah. No, I agree, they're intimidating and they don't have
to verbalize it. So I keep waiting. I love Darnold
and there calling.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
The other thing is like they're not playing their best
football and they're undefeated.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Like that's the crazy thing. Like offensively, they're really.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Not playing that well offensively except for the situations that
I just mentioned, and they're still three and oh so like,
what does that mean the teams around the league, like
Buffalo or I don't know, the Steelers or Baltimore, they're saying, shoot,
you know, the AFC Championship might be running through Kansas.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
City again, which is wild, Like no one should be thinking.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
That way, but it's probably what guys are talking about
when they're sitting around the locker room, like, man, can
you believe the Chiefs are three and zero?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Like it looks like their year once again.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So I'm seeing multiple examples of great coaching, taking quarterbacks
and coaching the reckless out of them. Donald in Minnesota,
Malik Willis in Green Bay, justin Fields by the way,
Arthur Smith and Pittsburgh. These are talented young guys, but
they can be reckless. And I'm watching I'm watching these coaches.
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I mean, let's talk Sam Darnold. I loved him, but
I always he started becoming Carson Wentz injuries and turnovers.
What is Kevin O'Connell doing with Donald.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Well, he's given him a lot of confidence and he's
playing very decisively. That's why he's been so good on
third down. It's why he's being so good in the
red zone.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
They're also using.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
A lot of what I would call pure progression reads,
which is kind of a Bill Walsh thing back in
the day. And this is the philosophy sort of the
opposite of the Tom Landry philosophy.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
The Tom Landry philosophy was.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Kind of like, all right, let's see what the coverage
is and that dictates where we start our progression. The
Bill Walsh philosophy is, I do not care what coverage
you are playing. You can try to disguise your coverage.
I don't care if it's a man, I don't care.
If it's zone, I don't care if it's bl I
don't care. I'm going through my progression. It's a full
field one, two, three, four, five, and my eyes will
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just like, do you like door number one?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Nah?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
What about door number two? Nah? Door number three? Sure?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
And like you just keep going through it. It's like
those old school sprinklers where they go you just got
to sweep the board and it takes a lot of
the thinking out of it and you just tie the
rhythm of your footwork to the per aggression. And so
they're mixing in a good amount of that. They're also
using play action on first down, where the offensive line
is firing out and they're blocking run and it creates
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a nice little pocket and so the offensive line they
don't have to sit back in seven step drop past
pass protection. So you're giving him time, you're giving him
constant confidence, and that's that's I think you're going to
see the best of Sam Darnold, you know, in this
first part of the season because of it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, for years and years I've thought that Dallas
Cowboys are a bit dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, it's like the corner store. It's all the
Jones kids, and it's a little dysfunctional. But Dak was good,
the coaching was solid. They had on some draft picks.
But over the course of time, it's it's hard to
overcome dysfunction. And I said this week, and I'm going
to take Baltimore to beat Dallas. I just they're more functional.
I like him in big games. And I watched Dallas yesterday.
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And I'm not blaming the players of the coaching. Jerry's
the GM he's eighty one. I don't think they have
that many good players. In the last six months. I've
seen Green Bay last year and Buffalo last year trounce him.
I've seen New Orleans and Baltimore trounce them. I don't
think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach. I don't think Dak's
a bad quarterback. I look at those games, Matt, I
don't think Dallas has enough good players. I just that's
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what I see. What do you see?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Well, I think defensively they were exposed by Baltimore. You know,
Lamar Jackson's obviously a great player, Derek Henry is a
great runner, but.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I don't think it would have really mattered.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
There were so many double digit runs from Derrick Henry
where no one even touched him Lamar's touchdown that it
would have been a touchdown in flag football. So like,
I just they're not getting a pass rush like they
did under dan Quinn. There certainly they have no gap
integrity like they did under dan Quinn. And you know,
I think one of the best things that Dallas has
done in the past recently with their defenses, they've created
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turnovers and all that ties together with everybody doing their job. Everybody,
like you heard Michael Parson's talking about it, like we
don't need a superman, we don't need superheroes. We just
need everyone to do their job. And how it fits together.
So I think defensively they're learning on the fly. They're
not playing great football, and they got embarrassed at home.
But you know, I would also just say, like the
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best thing for them. I think they got a Thursday
night game against the New York Giants. That's probably the
best thing for them. Like they'll they should come out,
get back to basics.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Short week.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
The short week should help them in a huge way.
That opponent is not a very difficult opponent. Is that
in terms of like things that scare you. They've got
a little bit of explosiveness, but not much. So I
think it's kind of the perfect get right game for
them because they did get embarrassed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think about yourself included, you played in Green Bay for
three years, so it's far but it's hassledback and it's Aaron,
and it's Love.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
That starting starting hold. They're really good on fake field goals.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Appreciate, but they can spot quarterback talent. Farv was down
in Atlanta, Aaron dropped in the draft. Jordan Love had
his critics. Malik Willis they basically it was a heist.
They just took him. Myself included, I'm like I'm not
sure he can play. He joined after the fifty three
roster cuts. The kid's been on campus an hour.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I mean Green Bay has done it like seven times.
They've spotted one of you guys, and is it. You know,
they don't have the pressure of an impulsive owner. You're
not gonna get sidetracked in Green Bay. There's not a
ton to do. I don't know what it is. There's
nothing like it in sports. They just don't miss on quarterback.
Take me to your experience there.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Well, you're absolutely right about you know, the football people
are the football people in that building. And it started
for us with Ron Wolfe. I mean even when I
got drafted.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
There, we had the.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Three years in a row MVP and Brett fav coming
off of two consecutive Super Bowls, and Ron wolf Mike Congrind.
They would say, we're going to draft a quarterback every
single year. That's just what we're going to do. Whether
it was you know the guys that you mentioned or
other guys, they invest in that quarterback position. I even
remember when Ray Rhodes was there, we drafted Aaron Brooks
when you know I was I was going in to
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my second year, and I think Ray Rhoades said to me,
We're going to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That's just what we're going to do here in Green Bay.
And I think you've seen it work.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You know, people freaked out when they drafted Aaron Rodgers
when Brett Farv was the guy. They freaked out when
they drafted Jordan Love when Aaron.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Rodgers was the guy.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
And I do think that Matt Lafleur is probably one
of the most underrated coaches in the game. He's done
a great job of protecting Malik, not focusing on what
Malik isn't good at, but he's focused on what he
is good at, and he's really pulled out some of
those some of those Marcus Mariota runs, you know, the
design quarterback runs in key moments, but also in.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
The passing game.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
I think, like I would say it this way, it's
your day one, two, three Ota install game game plan,
Like we're not gonna try to prove how smart we
are as coaches. We're gonna we're gonna make sure that
you know what you're doing. You're gonna throw on time,
and you're gonna play well you're gonna play fast, and
he's done a great job. So credit to the coaching
staff and credit to Malik for playing some really good football.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, really efficient, really smart. It's really cool to watch
Andy Dalton, the Malik Willis a Sam Darnold, a Baker
Mayfield and Derek Carr. I think it's great is that
as we're rushing all these young guys in and you're
realizing you've got to be really smart and experienced, like
like to take the live bullets in the NFL. It's
a hard Used to me when I was a kid,
it was hitting a baseball was the hardest thing to do,
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and that's really hard. But the athletes now, the coverage
is the intensity, the you know, defensive players are bigger, stronger, faster.
I love watching all these guys we've bailed on circle back.
It's awesome. I mean, you must love it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Well, it's a team sport.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
And like you mentioned Andy Dalton as an example, like
you know, everyone's just wanted to pile on the Carolina Panthers,
Like the Carolina Panthers are so dysfunctional all this, like
there's something there's a reason why people pay sort of.
I want to say, like unathletic overage looking quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You know, like I was forty years old, I.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Probably couldn't beat my daughter and pick up basketball in
the driveway, but I was getting paid millions of dollars
to play quarterback for the Colts, like there was a
reason why.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
And because it is so it's so much of it
is mental.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
So much of it is just getting the ball out
of your hands and into the hands of the athletes.
And so Andy Dalton probably a much better athlete than
I was at the end of my career, but he
is sat back for a couple of years now and said.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Okay, what would what do we need to do better?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
And he goes in that game and plays maybe the
best football of any quarterback this Sunday, Yeah, and just
delivers the ball on time accurately. Again, kyp, No, your personnel,
find the guys that you know need the ball more,
need opportunities more.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I'm thinking of the Adam Field like he wasn't wide open.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But if you throw the ball with conviction and confidence
to a guy that you believe in, you're going to
throw the ball well.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
And it's just it's just the nature of it.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
It reminds me of This situation reminds me a little
bit of when Andrew luck was the starting quarterback in India.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
We were struggling. I think we were like oh and four,
oh and five owen something.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And I come in as a forty year old when
Andrew got hurt, and I realized not so much what
we couldn't do, but like what we could do, Like, hey,
maybe we couldn't throw the ball downfield, we couldn't protect
or whatever, but we need What we can do is
we can get the ball into t Y Hilton's hands.
We can use on Maud Bradshaw in the run game.
And we started, we went on a tear. We won
the next four and so like there's something. It's maybe
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not a long term solution, but there's something to learn
here from Carolina that I think the whole not only
the Panthers can learn from, but everyone around the league
can learn from this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Matt Hasselback three Pro Bowls, eighteen years. He's our Monday
top of our second hour guest. We love having them.
We all get smarter and good seeing.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
You man, see You're great to see you two.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
All right, Matt Hasselbeck. By the way, he mentioned this
Cowboys Giants is a very competitive game. New York's offensive
lines playing better neighbors is an absolute number one. What's
the spread on that four or five? I would guess
Dallas favorite, Dallas humiliated, probably a four point favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So last week, before Dallas got embarrassed by the Ravens,
it was Dallas by seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I was gonna say, Giants look much more functional and
Cleveland's bad.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Do you want any numbers here, because I.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Let me guess one. Give me a game and don't
guess it. Well, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
How many games has DAK won in a row against
the New York Giants nine twelve by an average of
seventeen points per game. Last year they won by eighty
nine to seventeen combined. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Giants are much more functional now, don't overreact to a one.
Dallas is gonna win, especially when they're humiliated. Talented.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, Dallas and the Bears two early week games I've
circled in.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's you don't like Dallas.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, I mean Dak's wins have come over Washington and
New York, and for the last ten years they've been
the most dysfunctional they've ever been as franchises. Yeah so,
I mean, last eight years, Dak's feasted. Forty percent of
his wins are against those teams. That's that's an insane
and that's why I always sell my thing on I
said before Baltimore, I said, I'm sorry John Harball, Lamar
Dak McCarthy. I don't care what the game's at. I'm
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taking Baltimore, who came up with a better game plan,
more resilient like Dallas has no chin. You got a
shot in them. They're not in for the fight like
they they're all yelling at each other.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
On the side, CD lamb stuff is not That's not
a good.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Look for him.
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Speaker 4 (24:54):
Biggest sweat for me yesterday was Eagles Saints. I don't
know how much you watched this game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I thought it was un believable theater.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Eagles dominated this game, should have won handily, but you
know they they really struggled. Ultimately, the Saints offense, which
was so hot the first two weeks, Colin they could
do nothing well.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The Eagles shut down Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Dick Fonzio, yep, added a defensive lineman instead of forefront.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
They went five Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It was it was a little like Belichick against McVeigh
and the Super Bowl. Also, Derek Carr missed on a
deep ball that you know, it was one of those
things where they just said, we're taking Alvin Kamara out
and if Derek Carr beats is fine. But again, when
you watch Philadelphia, it's the opposite of Dallas. Toughness, relentless,
never quit and I like their roster. They just make
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too many turnovers.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, and now the injuries are mounting. We'll get to
them in a second. But former Saints defensive back CJ.
Gardner Johnson had a lot to say after the game.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
We keep receipts. That's what I told Don in Locke room.
See y'all Sunday, Tod Fode. They got rid of me
and get him.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It's still in me.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's still tyle it on me.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
How you the best offense and best team if you
only been two weeks played, you still got what eight seventeen,
sixteen weeks ago. So the end of the day, we
had to just tune out the noise to understand who
we were and just go out there and play Eagle ball.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was a classic Philadelphia win. Mistakes didn't play well
on the road. That's why I told him after Monday
night lost to Atlantic. You have so many good things.
I like owner, GM, quarterbacks of it, turnover prom You
don't have to love every coach. There's just too much.
I still think they're going to win the division. It's
gonna be ten, not twelve. I'll still take them. There's
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too many good players.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
This is one of those like we're happy to get
to win if you're an Eagles fan. But a lot
of warning signs that there is trouble ahead between Sirianni's
decision making, like he wouldn't kick field goals yesterday, but.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, they've just decided they're not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I think it right? Buddy, John Middlecoff says he thinks
it comes from upstairs, like they've just decided. It's like
the Dodgers, the way they do Dave Roberts. There's decisions
made that are out of Dave Roberts hands. It's not
to say didn't have value, but like it feels like
upstairs has decided in the analytic department, we're just not
gonna kick people.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
If it's seventeen nothing, you're getting crushed. Go for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
It was three nothing in the first half and he's
not kicking fieldals.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I'm like, what are you doing? Anyways, Blaine Johnson left
with a concussion. We know he has a history of concussion.
DeVante Smith took a blo that was brutal, and you
know there's some videos online about what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Happened. It just didn't look good.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Darius Slay not Darius l big place slag got injured. Yes,
in the secondary, Like Eagles are in trouble. They are
facing Tampa. Remember the rematch in the Tampa. I'll tell
you something. They are beat up Tampa. The last two weeks.
Baker has struggled on third down. Like that game against Denver.
If you didn't watch it, and I did because I'm
into Sean and.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bow next that that thing was a blowout, like it
was seventeen You looked up and it was like Denver's
just do whatever they want offensively.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I don't know what you want to guess. Eagles at
Bucks the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Line, Sat are favored by two and a half.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Eagles by two. I don't know that I can back
them here. After that was a rough game for Philadelphia.
They again Lane Johnson historically numbers eight without him.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, they're not the same team, like the Niners without
Trent Williams. It's not the same.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't think Tampa's particularly good. We both had the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They're also beat up.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Now. I think I could take Philadelphia there. I think
I could.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Probably a past for me. But Saints, right, they're running
hot for two weeks. Everybody loves the new OC and
all of a sudden, Derek Carr kind of turns into
a pumpkin and it's like, oh, what do we have
here with the Saints?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Are they good? Are the Saints good? I think the
Saints are better coached. I think they have a very
clever offensive coordinator. This is what we said about Dan
Campbell a couple of years ago. Can he coach? And
all of a sudden you look up and you're like
who's the OC and Ben Johnson and then you're like,
look coordinators manner in this league. Clint Kubiak, I was
texting a GM yesterday. It's like that guy's gonna get
a job offer. Yeah, and that wasn't a great matchup
(28:55):
for them, But again, I think in that division they're
going to score some points. I think Clint Kubiak is
we've seen this before. Kyle Shanahan with Atlanta, Matt Ryan
was the MVP of the league. Coordinators they're all making
seven figures now. The good ones are worth it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
And a note on Saints Falcons. The Saints lost their
center on the first drive and the Eagles killed them.
Jalen Carter at a huge game. But then the Falcons.
You watched that last night. Their offensive line is just
folding badly, So you know, be careful with That's a
big game, Saints Falcons, Falcons.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
But I do feel like by week I feel like
the first three weeks of the season you kind of
I kind of feel like like yesterday during the Blazing five,
I felt like I was winning because I kind of
know what I have now, right Like you're over the
preseason like you can. And then also teams that are
kind of good lose a couple of starters and you're like, like,
you can really see coaching takeover. Now you're watching Minnesota
(29:45):
and the Rams, You're watching injury depleted team, You're watching
Green Bay, Like the coaching is starting to separate in
this league right now.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Next up is the Chargers. They went down twenty to ten.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Tough loss to this Stealers was it was nip and
tuck until Herbert w down in the third quarter with
that ankle injury, and after that it was just a
blood back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Taylor Heineke was not ready. Here's the bad news.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
According to Ian Rappaport, X rays were negative on Herbert,
but moving forward to week four, he left in a
walking boot yesterday and the line is telling the Chiefs
are now seven point came bricks at so far Sunday
against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I don't like that line. I would take the Chargers,
but I do feel like they're a different team with her.
And you could see Herbert came out of the game
limping and you're like, yeah, I mean, you're just no again.
It'd be one thing it'd be was limping against the
Buccaneers back end, but when you're limping against the Steelers
hyper or Kansas City, when you have talented and hyper
(30:42):
athletic defenses. Good night, and.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
That's going to be a problem.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
If did Harball make the right call here playing Herbert
who was fine, and then he reaggravated Colin. If he's
out any period of time, this team is in deep trouble.
No defense respects Heineke. You saw what happened to the
run game yesterday when there was no Herbert like, no
room for Dobbins to operate.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I don't know that the Chiefs can get margin, but
the Chargers just are tough.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
One.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Chargers do play them tough though they play well. Ye,
they play them well.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So you think sevens a little contact.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Listen, underdogs are covering. I took all underdogs this weekend.
I take. I'm taking Jacksonville plus the points that I
underdogs had a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
They did. The Chargers cannot lose that game.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Final story, how about the New York Giants gone nice
w in Cleveland after a terrible start, by the way,
and that one they fumbled the opening kickoff in the
Brown score but it was a Elik Neighbors show.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
This kid is just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Look at these catches.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
No, I mean, he is just it's amazing how good
he is. For the record, lsu h, do they put
out receivers or what.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
It was a guy who was crushing usc from LSU.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Remember in the in the early game this season, the
big tall kid, I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
But here's the other thing. Look at Elik leads the
NFL in targets. Here's the other thing. A couple of
weeks ago, there were a couple of days ago before
this game, there was a story that people players were
uneasy with Brian Dable. Here's the reality. And I said
this going into the game because this was one of
my picks. I picked the Giants upside the Browns. Nobody's
gonna talk about this because Neighbors is so great. But
they're offensive lines playing pretty well. Daniel Jones doesn't look
(32:16):
he doesn't have nervous feet, like he's composed. He's under control.
And because Neighbors is so great, I mean, he's already
a top fifteen receiver in the league. He's a great player.
It's made all their other second and third receivers. They're
in the right space. They got a lot of Darius
Slayton's and whars so all of a sudden, now you
look at it and you're like, okay, and Daniel Jones
(32:37):
is playing, like oh, I kind of feel like I
got my guy.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll say, Jim Schwartz kind of screwed this up. I
had faith in him in the Browns. He didn't have
Denzel Wards shadow Neighbors, and Neighbors was eating and then
finally he puts Ward on him late in the game
and you start to see them slow down the offense
and you're like, why didn't you do that at the jump?
But whatever, Neighbors had an awesome catch on the sideline.
Did you see where he lost that guy over his
head and pulled.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I was like, oh my gosh, no, I mean there's
so you see this. You don't see this in college
basketball or college baseball, where a guy comes into the
NFL and he is literally a top twelve player at
his position. I mean, it's you don't see it a lot.
Miles Garrett walked in and you were like, yeah, that's
gonna work.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Got hurt, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, they came into the game.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
All you talk about worst team in the league, is
it the Browns home, the Panthers competent.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Let's just be honest, Deshaun Watson, I mean I don't
I don't know. You can't get out of the contract,
Like I don't think you canna play anymore. Whatever. I
don't know what it is. Maybe it's mental. There's a
lot of stuff going on, but I'm watching that game.
I had more confidence in Daniel Jones with Day Bowl
than watching with Stefansk.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
The offensive line is future and nobody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Played for the Rams either. Stafford was amazing. Stafford's got
backups everywhere. They're amazing. Jmck with the news, Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the third Line News.
I'll give the Steeler some love.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
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Speaker 3 (34:09):
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Speaker 4 (34:12):
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Speaker 1 (34:25):
Appen Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are off to a pretty
surprising three and zho start. Let's add context to it.
They face Kirk Cousins in the opener, coming off a surgery,
who just wasn't moving. Then they faced bo Nix in
his second career start in a Denver roster that's okay,
and then yesterday they faced fifty sixty percent at best
Justin Herbert, who left the game early. They're averaging one
(34:48):
touchdown a game, which is tied for last in the league.
I'm sorry, Steeler fan, there's a ceiling to this, but
we always felt with Pittsburgh. Yeah, there you look at it,
they're like last or twenty eighth and virtually everything a
I'm happy for Justin Fields, and it's a great sign
that Arthur Smith is getting the most out of it.
I never thought Justin Fields would complete seventy three percent
of his throws. He looked lost in Chicago, which just
(35:11):
that looks even worse for the Bears now that Justin
Fields can play. This is simultaneously good for the Steelers
and terrible for Chicago. The other thing is the Steelers
this year were always about the end of the season.
I think it's the roughest if Lamar Jackson, if Jalen Hurts.
If Burrow were healthy, I've never seen a schedule that
ends like Pittsburgh does, with eight straight brutal games, most
(35:35):
against rivals, just the quarterbacks they would face. Now, Cleveland
does not look very good, So that's the break. But
it's Lamar Jackson to Shaun Watson, Joe Burrow a couple
of times, Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts, that is thank god.
Cleveland's a mess. They probably have to get better, and
you cross your fingers, but it's nothing against it. It's
(35:56):
good for the Steelers. It's a bad look for the Bears.
But we have to be honest about this. I Steeler fans,
you've never been under five hundred. I get it. You
can't score one touchdown a game, and there's a total
ceiling to this. But and the ceiling is Kirk Cousins
off surgery, rookie and Justin Herbert got hurt. But when
(36:16):
you do start looking at that schedule, the reality is
in the NFL. Now they face this week a quarterback
that could be worse than all of them you faced,
because right now, Anthony Richardson is a fifty percent completion guy,
and if you go four to zero. In this league,
you can play five hundred football the rest of the season.
You get to the last weeks, you're a ten and
sixteen going into the last week. If you're five hundred
(36:39):
and so the Steelers will be a five hundred team,
you'd think the rest of the way. So this Indianapolis game,
you know, then you got some games after that where
it's a you know, Giants offense and the Raiders offense,
and you get a buy in Washington's young. You know, again,
there's surprises like minnesot I look at the Minnesota Vikings
and I'm like, oh, that that team could play in
the conference championship. Their defense is playing great, their special
(37:01):
teams kicker can't miss, and their offense is insane, and
they have an offensive wizard as a head coach. That
feels like it it can stay.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Saints is like, that's Derek Carr. I don't trust Dennis Allen.
It's a hot start, but let's settle down. I feel
like we should settle down a little bit. The Steelers,
although it should be noted it's the real winner here
is justin Fields. There is no way in the world
they're taking him out. He's completing seventy three percent of
(37:29):
his throws. Arthur Smith has clearly coached the reckless out
of him. In fact, with Darnold it was reckless. With
Justin Fields, it was like, can you see the guys
that are open? So there is some unbelievable coaching going on.
Here's Justin.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
After the w I feel like I'm just very calm
out there, cool, calm and collected on the field and
really just just assys with peace out there on the
field and not really you know, rushing things, and certainly
in my brain, just staying calm in the podcat and
I'm just you know, making plays when I can and
(38:02):
just doing my job.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Good for him, some of the coaching going on Kevin O'Connell,
Sean McVay yesterday, Arthur Smith deserves credit. And again, the
ceiling for Justin Fields was he was the worst fourth
quarter quarterback in the league for a couple of years.
I'm like, I don't think he can play. I didn't
think Malik Willis. I'man like, I don't know, Malik Willis
looks good. Justin looks good. Darnold's on fire, like MVP
level on fire. Andy Dalton yesterday was insane. He may
(38:26):
have had the best game of any quarterback. So you're
seeing some real coaching going on, and that's it's pretty encouraging.
That's why people in Philadelphia are freaking out. They're looking
around saying, we're seeing all this great coaching. We think
we're good except for the coaching. So you have to
be very careful about interim coaches though. In Chicago, be careful,
be careful. Interim coach wins four or five games, then
(38:47):
all of a sudden, there's that's the guy, and you're like,
I don't know, I don't know if that's the guy.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Hey, can I ask you the Steelers three and oh start?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I know this schedule is brutal, but Colin, if you
start to look at the FC, I think we would
agree with Miami Dolphins are not a playoff team. They're
not even content, not not with I was gonna be
on He's on. IR's out for a while. This Charger's
Herbert situation. Can we remove them the Chargers from contention
for a playoff spot? It's Week four? You don't you
don't think the Herbert thing is gonna linger? This is
(39:19):
it's in a walking boot. In August lose Sunday. Are
you gonna say, Okay? Can we now say they're two
after they beat the Broncos. I'm just trying to eliminate teams.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Do I know in the AFC there's special Buffalo Cincinnati.
If Joe Burrow's playing, they're Rowe and two? Can I know?
But they're they're gonna win tonight.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Casey, New York Jets, Houston Texans. I can't believe this.
Pittsburgh's gonna make.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
The playoffs again.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Honestly, even with the schedule.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
The show forced, we're under an hour three. Fortunately,
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