September 23, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin Cowherd offers his thoughts on the Ravens win over the Cowboys, and why Dallas continues to be a mess. Trying to figure out just what is going on with the Chicago Bears, the Rams steal a win over the 49ers, and the Chiefs close win over the Falcons and people complaining about the officiating.
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Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, there's a
lot of folk Jmac. You know I had said before
the season, all these twelve win Cowboys seasons, I said,
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I believe they have peaked and they'll be slow regressing.
It won't be drastic, they won't go down to seven
win the eight wins, but it'll be about twelve twelve twelve.
This year will be closer to ten, and there'll be
more ugly losses. And once again, don't be fooled by
the fourth quarter. Dallas got smoked.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Right, it feels good that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We nail that game, right, Ravens in a mauling.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So see thee Lamb and Dak are arguing on one
side line and Micah Parsons is yelling at the defense
both sides and chaos. The Cowboys have become one big,
authentic Kardashian event. There's drama, and there's glitz, and there's glemma,
and there's money, and most of it's just a big illusion.
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And they both have the most gullible of people that
worship them. The Cowboys and the Kardashians are great at
taking your money, and Jerry Jones has master that follow
the bouncing ball. But increasingly if the last five really
good teams. They have played Buffalo, Green Bay and Detroit
last year, Saints Ravens this year, four or five of
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those that are at home, and they've been bullied in
all of those games. At some point, four or five
just bullied Dallas. Here's the problem. Their roster's not talented enough.
And Jerry Jones calls himself the GM he's eighty one.
It's not a good enough roster. They're also a team
that's soft. They're the worst run defense, in the league. Dereck,
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Henry and Lamar had their way yesterday. They're also a
team that has no chin. If you hit them early,
they fold like a cheap deck chair. Also, Dak, CD
and Micah eventually are all going to have top of
the market contract, so you better start nailing those fourth, fifth,
and sixth round picks. Baltimore didn't do anything creative. They
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just ran the ball like the Saints did, over and
over and over, often not around but right at Dallas.
So they're getting really expensive. The roster isn't very good,
and Dallas is trailed by twenty or more in three
of their last four games. But hey, Dak leads the
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league in passing yards, which is just so perfectly fitting
because Jerry Jones can mention that and justified paying him
top of the league. Congratulations. But if you go back
to like this is something that this is about culture
and soul, you know, everybody bangs on Daniel Jones, and
I will say I had the Giants winning yesterday in
the offensive line, and now they've got a number one receiver.
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They've got a little bit of a life in New York.
Not a great team. Cowboys play the Giants Thursday. But
New York's got a little bit of protection, a little
bit of a life, a little bit of a hope.
But as you all bang on Daniel Jones, I went
and looked up this morning. Since twenty twenty, Dak and
the Cowboys have only had six fourth quarter comebacks. That's
the same as Daniel Jones, meaning, you got more talent,
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but you don't have any more heart. There's no soul.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And unlike the Kardashians, actually some of the Kardashian products
are actually pretty good. Skims I'm told is excellent. And
whereas the Kardashian fans that worshiped them actually liked their
products and liked them. Dallas fans were recently surveyed in
the off season by the athletic thousands of fans and
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the majority said, we have no chance to win a
Super Bowl in the next five years. What am I
supposed to like about this team? You can run on them.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They don't have.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Much of a culture. It's Situationally, they're not brilliantly coached.
Dak throws for a lot of yards, but those fourth
quarter yards yesterday, that's stat padding.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They weren't real I checked it. Out during the game.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
At halftime, the Ravens were averaging over eight yards of play.
So at the end of the third quarter, I went
to my phone after the third quarter the Ravens were
averaging nine yards of play. That's like an outmatched college team.
After the game at Mosey, by the way, asked why
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couldn't you They asked about Derreck Henry, who, by the way,
against Dallas was good, and Gerry said that we couldn't
afford him, and Matt Moseley said why.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You can't buy a mansion when you live in a
different kind of house. And to that, I would say,
your running backs.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Are not a mansion.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You got one elite wide receiver, an okay tight end.
Where's all the money going? Where are all the great players? Buffalo,
Green Bay Saints Ravens. They're just dominating you. They're pushing
you all over the field. And here's Micah Parsons after.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean the same thing I think right now. We
got people just showing to be Superman. People just got
on their jobs.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
We don't need everyone to be Superman. We don't need
no superman's at all. We just need to love of
guys playing together.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
All right, let's have a really serious, hard conversation about
what's happening with the Chicago Bears. So I thought bow Knicks,
although not great early in the season, I'm watching Sean Payne,
Peyton the coach, and bow Knicks, and I can see
what they're trying to do. I can see the plan.
And not every business is a rocket ship. Some businesses
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take a while, some teams take a while. But can
I identify like a plan? We need to have a
hard conversation. I don't think this coaching staff is gonna
work with Caleb Williams. They have no run game at all,
like none. I can't see the plan. It's bad backyard football.
The offensive line is regressed. I mean, they faced the
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team yesterday in Indianapolis that doesn't defend the run, and
they still couldn't run fewest yards per play in the NFL.
And this is not a team without talent. They had
a young and improving old line last year. Not anymore.
They had as semblance of a run game, I thought
last year. Not anymore. They had Keenan Allen roma Dunze,
they got DJ Moore, they got players, They're lasting. Everything
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that matters or next to last for our TV audience,
sorry radio audience, Look at the screen. I mean DeAndre
Swift has had thirty seven carries, one has been for
a first down. I mean again, once again, I see
a defensive coach and a defensive culture not being able
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to figure out how to fix a quarterback. And Cayleb
Williams came into this league, we talked about it. He
could be erratic, he was an incredible playmaker, but he
was going to need somebody like Andy Reid with Mahomes
already to get him back into the fairway, or what
Kevin O'Connell is doing with Sam Darnold take away the reckless,
and that's the bigger problem perhaps for Chicago. Minnesota is
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gifted offensively, and young green Bay's got a great coach,
gifted offensively, and young Detroit's not as young. Many of
their players are now moving into their prime. But Detroit, Minnesota,
and Green Bay are excellent offensive teams, not all great defensively,
excellent offensively, and I would say two of them have
great coaches. I think Kevin O'Connell and Matt Lafleu a
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pass the test flying colors. I think Dan Campbell is
a great culture builder. I don't know if I trust
them situationally, but he's a good coach. Okay, So forget
for a second the Kayleb Williams stuff. You got the
one defensive coach in that division. You can't win games
in this division going forward, scoring twenty points a game,
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You gotta get into the twenty eights.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This is now the best offense, best offensive division in football.
Take the Bears out of it. The other three teams
could put an offensive Pro Bowl team together. Minnesota, Detroit
and green Bay, and their best players are mostly young
and getting better. They're no old guys in this league.
The tackles the old line for Detroit, the young receivers
tight ends for green Bay, Minnesota Jefferson, Jordan Natison, TJ Hawkins,
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and Sam Darnold's playing out of his mind like MVP stuff.
Isn't this snarky tweet?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He maybe so.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Chicago's got major issues here. They're touchdown at the end
as garbage. They scored nine real points. They can't run.
There's no plan. What am I watching? They got to
get him an offensive guru. In the downside, if you
fire a coach midseason and bring it an interim coach,
be very very careful about that, because if the interim wins,
like four games in a row, often in interims a
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substitute teacher. Everybody's on their best behavior and great energy
and sucking up with the teacher and bringing produce every morning.
Hear Missus Jones, here's your thirteenth apple of nine days.
And then the interim coach isn't really a head coach.
It was all about energy and him trying to impress
the new person in the room. And you're stuck with
an interim coach for four years, so you may have
to just stick with Eberflus. But this isn't working. They
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bring in a new oc the old lines. I thought
it was promising. It's awful. The run game's got DeAndre Swift.
It's terrible. I mean the Colts team, by the way,
the Colts team had a quarterback that completed fifty percent
of his throws, no touchdowns, two pecks, can't hit a
swing path to save his life. They didn't have DeForest Muckner,
and they won, and they controlled large junks of the game. Like,
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this isn't working, and I'm not unrealistic. I watched Denver,
and I'm like, oh, I see the plan. Jaden Daniels, Oh,
I see kind of what they're doing here. I'm like,
I'm giving guys patience, but this is I don't even
know what I'm looking at. Here's Caleb after.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I throw fifty two times, geez, I do whatever team needs,
you know what I mean. And so if it's fifty times,
it's fifty times. I can't have the two turnovers with
those fifty attempts. And if it comes down to being
fifty attempts and us slinging the ball around, if it
comes down to being you know, ten attempts, it's whatever
team needs, whatever team needs to get the win, We'll
keep slinging it. We'll keep working on a run game.
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You know, we'll keep getting better, definitely as offense. We're
gonna get this thing going here soon.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh by the way, one of the best quarterbacks and
best coaches on the planet, Sean McVay Matt Stafford next up.
And before you think, ooh, that's bad scheduling, now you
just got you just got the team he should have beaten.
You just got Anthony Richardson and the team that can't
defend the run like This was the game to get
it right. This was the team. The Rams now were
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getting healthy. If you got the Rams in three weeks
should get dusted. You may have a shot this weekend
because the old line is still a bit of a
mess and the wide receiving group is down to backups.
But McVeigh and Stafford, now, good luck cause that get well.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The getting's good. That was your game. I mean, the
NFL gave you a favor.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They're like, hey, let's give him Tennessee early, and let's
give him a Let's give him the Colts here. That
Houston's kind of tough, you know't McVeigh. Oh, here's Carolina.
They're giving you games to win, and Carolina now looks
like they're competent. Trub Bull like, I'm trying to be patient,
but I don't see it. And you can blame the quarterback,
but they're not they're not firing him. That's the future.
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You gotta make this thing work. You keep taking big
swings on quarterbacks. They're not getting rid of him. But
this is what I always worry about. I said before
the season. J Mack is my witness. I said, Jaden's
got a defensive coach and Caleb's got a defensive coach,
and Drake May's got a defensive coach. And the kid
in Denver has an offensive coach, and you are watching
Vo Nicks. They're not perfect, but I took him in
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my blazing five. If you watch Denver's offense, you see
what they're trying to do, Like I can identify, Oh,
they want to get Bonicks out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They like the run.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He's their leading rusher. Like, you can see what they're
trying to do. It's intentional what they're trying to do.
It's flawed, it's not great, but I can see it
as a fan. Oh, that's what they're trying to do.
I don't know what the heck Chicago's offense is. It's
like bad inner Murals with one really talented guy running
around running for life.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The run game.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The old line's all gotten worse, all right, Jay Mac,
I will say this that Philadelphia New Orleans game. I
have defended Jalen Hurts for years, and you have pushed
back mightily. In fact, Friday, you said Colin, people in
Philadelphia are pushing back on Jalen Hurts, And once again
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I stood up and defended him.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He turns the ball over a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Him and Sirianni.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
That was that was That was a big sweat that
Eagles win. Awesome victory for them.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But uh, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A really fascinating, flawed, ugly game. But can we admit this,
that's Saquon Barkley acquisition. Amazing How the Giants thought that happened? Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
A real quick note on Bears. You said Bears Rams
this week. You want to guess what the line is.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
On that one?
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay, so it's in Chicago, in Chicago, Yeah, okay, Rams
still no Pooka, no Cooper Cup from no Steve Avilia,
the offensive lineman, the banged up Yeah, I would say
Rams off a Niner win dramatic Rams minus one and
a half.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It was my first bet of the week. Bears favored
by two.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I'm on the Bears. You're on the Bears. Yes, they're
winning this game. Bears favored against the Rams.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Is that not shock?
Speaker 6 (13:36):
You give it?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What the Bears?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You're taking the Bears?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I am, Yeah, I took them. By the way.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Caleb Williams throwing fifty two times is in like a
one score game the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Time against a team missing their best defensive players. That
is not good against the run.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Worse than the league coming into the game against the run.
I don't know the game, Ibra Flus is a must win.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For you, for your guy, my guy, my guy McVay.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
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Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I said after they lost to the Atlanta Falcons,
I'm one in at football, I said, Eagle fans, you
have a good team, you have a good GM, you
have a good roster, you have good fans. AJ Brown
will come back. Chill out. Atlanta's an OK team. You
saw last night. Atlanta had two opportunities knocking at the
door to beat the Chiefs, and the Chiefs are the
best team in the NFL. Atlanta's a good team. I
don't think they're as good as Kansas City or your
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top four or five teams in the league, but they're
a good team. So there's there's no shame in losing
at the very last drive to Atlanta. But yesterday I
felt good about Philadelphia last week. Losing this morning, I
don't feel very good about Philadelphia and they won. You know,
I've forever, I've defended Jalen Hurtz. He's a small quarterback,
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like a Tua, like a Russell Wilson. Smaller quarterbacks don't
tend to see the middle of the field as well
because the offensive lineman six five and sixty six. And
we don't love the head coach, Nick Seriani that that's true,
but we have to be honest about this. A lot
of coaches lose offensive coordinators. McVeigh loses them, lost Kevin O'Connell.
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You know, Andy Reid's lost good offensive coordinators, Shanahan. You
don't see a huge effect since Shane Steiken has left.
Jalen Hurts has twenty six picks and nineteen interceptions since
he's lost Shane Steiken. He has the most giveaways in
the league, twenty six, and I defend him. You can't
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win that way. Well, I mean, Philadelphia did. They are
a turnover mess. This is no longer a snapshot or
a trend. This is who they are and it is
clearly tied to Shane Steike. And we're seeing great coaching
all over this league. We've seen Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, coach,
the reckless out of Sam Darnold. We're watching Matt Lafleur
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in Green Bay. I didn't think Malik Willis was a
starting NFL quarterback. He's been not wildly productive, but super efficient.
We're seeing coaching and the effect that has Niners defense
was way better when Demko Ryans was the coordinator than
the group that's doing it now. Like we see coaching
and how much it matters. Kyle Shanahan as a coordinator,
made Matt Ryan an MVP, and they led Brady in.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
The fourth quarter of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
This thing is it's I still like the GM, I
like the owner, I like the roster. I think Jalen
Hurts has talent, but it's not working. I mean, if
not for Saquon Barkley, who I still can't believe is
a Philadelphia Eagle, I think they'd be zero to three.
I mean, the Saquon Barkley has saved this offense. And
I was sitting there thinking this morning, it's like, you know,
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it's like the Philadelphia Eagles are becoming that company with
a good stock price, but everybody knows inside the company
they got major issues and the public just doesn't know
about it, and they're one bad earnings report from the
whole damn thing unraveling. This doesn't work. This offense commits
too many turnovers, and you don't have the right offensive coach.
One thing, if you would lose a defensive coordinator. But
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when an offensive coach loses an offensive coordinator, and it's
I mean, the boat sinking, you gotta look at the
head coach. Because there's too much about Philadelphia I like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And there's just too.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Many good players, too good owner, good GM, aggressive GM.
They draft well, they developed like everybody else. They miss
on picks. But there's just too much with Philadelphia I like.
But when you lose a coordinator and the quarterback who's
a talented guy who you've paid, suddenly becomes the single
most turnover prone quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Like I get the day.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
J Brown's not there, Dallas Goddard, Davonte Smith, Saquon Barkley,
above average offensive line. Philadelphia has always got, dudes, Nick Ceriani,
I mean, the defense was good on the win over
the Saints.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Like we know this is this is not sustainable. We
said this after the Green Bay game, this is not sustainable.
We got to take the ball way and we did
in a critical scenario, but we still lost the turnover battle,
and so this is not sustainable to do it that way.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
We got to take care of the ball.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
We got to get the ball away from him. But again,
the resiliency, I mean, the defense played unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not doubting, by the way.
Unlike Dallas, I like Philly's roster. Unlike Dallas, I like
Philly's toughness. Unlike Dallas, I like Philly's resiliency, unlike Jerry
Jones's GM, I like Howie Roseman. Like Philadelphia is gonna
win this division. I'm sure of it, almost, but this
turnover thing is just insane, and it's tied to one guy.
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He's in Indianapolis. I'm not sure he loves his quarterback either.
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Speaker 7 (18:44):
One of the great impressive performances Collin of Week three
was what Malik willis incredible Lafleur did to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We'dn't say Matt Laflour is a great coach.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Oh, he's excellent. I got you got to give the
man props. I've been slow to give him props, but
He's just awesome. In the last two weeks, Colin, I
mean Lake, Willis put up four hundred and thirty eight
total yards, the Packers did three touchdowns in a thirty
to fourteen win.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Lafleur just gushing about his backup quarterback.
Speaker 10 (19:10):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done in
the short period of time. People can't fathom. I promise you,
you guys don't get it. I know you think you
got it, but you don't get it. What he's been
able to do is I've never seen something like this.
So hats off to him, Hats off to everybody around him.
Guy's rallying, having his back. Jordan Love's been instrumental as well,
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just giving him the tips and hanging right by his
side and helping him out all along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Good Now, I think everybody understands this. We know how
hard it is. But as good as Jordan Love was
he had three years. I think most of us watched
Malik Willis. I mean think about what Tennessee did. Tennessee
gave him away. I mean, Tennessee didn't give him a
real shot. They said, we like will Levis better on
his tape. They just gave up on him, and Tennessee's
done some good things with personnel through the year. They
just quit on him and he didn't join this team
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long offseason. It was during the cuts, the fifty three
man cut. This kid just got in the building. And
by the way, Green Bay still kind of rebuilding their
offensive line, their tight ends and wide receivers, youngest team
in the league. This is just insane coaching. It's why
am I hard on coaches, because you can see great
coaching in this league what Kevin o'connella Matt Lafleur are doing.
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They've literally coached the reckless out of Malik Willis and
Sam Darnold, Sam Donald was Carson Wentz. You always like, oh,
he's got talent, wild turnovers. Malik Willis is like, couldn't
I mean, just just throwing strikes was hard last week?
Speaker 7 (20:39):
You know, Willis didn't all check down short stuff. Now, yeah,
so everybody assumed he can't throw it down the field.
First drive, he comes out, two completions of over thirty yards,
throws a back shoulder bomb to Watson on the sideline.
I'm like, I did not know Malik Willis could do.
I didn't know he had this a courreent Colin. He
had one hundred and fifty eight yards passing in the
first half.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
That was his career. You're high for any game ever
in the first half.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I do think we probably need to say something about
the Packers defense, which has been tremendous. Yeah, they had
seven interceptions last season. In that they have seven this
season after three games. Yeah, pretty impressive. The came from
Boston College.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, head coach at Boston College came over and got
tired of the transfer portal. By the way, Joe Barry,
Packer fans had gotten very, very tired of that. So again,
once again, Matt Lafleur has shown in ability to upgrade
coaching staff. That's a skill for a coach, very McVeigh like,
and also shown an ability to take players and like
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rehab them. If you had give me coach of the
year right now, one and two would be Kevin o'codl
and Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And there's good coaches, but what they've.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Sat Tomlin deserves a seat at the table for the
three h start right.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, it's early. I have considered putting them deep and
hurd higher. By the way, I'm not talking eight or above.
I'm just saying they're getting consideration figured out. Throw you
as a committee. Any will love his thoughts on his
I'm I'm not. I'm just done with it. I wish
them the very best going forward. That's not gonna work,
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that's not the picks is pretty bo I'm not. You know,
at some point they're young. I wish them the very
best in their future endeavors.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
But by the way, this is two straight weeks that
a lot of sharp betters have gone against Lafleur and
Willis and they got their teeth kicked in for that time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Last two weeks. I just sat on Green Bay. I
had a good day yesterday. I said, I'm staying away.
I'm no longer staying away. I'm taking the Packers. I
know it's the Vikings, it's at Lambeau. That's their coaching,
that's the coaching guru. Matchup of the year, Kevin O'Connell
is Jordan Love gonna play.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And we'll see.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
The line currently I'm seeing is minus two and a
half Packers, So I would assume they think Love's going
to be back. By the way, if you look at
the NFC, there's some carnage among the good teams like
Detroit is not as spicy. The Finers are now one
and two would beat up? Are the Packers the best
team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
TA I picked the Packers to win the division. I
picked the Lions to be a wild card because I
just didn't trust I didn't trust the Lions as a favorite.
I trust Green Bay with everything top to bottom. Mart
Murphy down. They know what they're doing. They're just super young.
And I don't know if a team that young. But
if you go to Kansas City last year, the chief
defense said was Chris Jones and a bunch of kids.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I know the Seahawks are three and oh, but I'm
just this Packers team has been super impressive so far,
really impressive. Let's get to the next game. Less impressive
is the Texans who got stomped out by the Vikings.
What a beatout. I did not see this one coming.
Vikings moved to three and oh C J. Stroud really struggled. Now,
Joe Mixon did not play, they had no run game.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Cam Akers and by the way, Brian Flores defensive coordinator,
He's the coordinator of the year so far.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Hey, Listen Brock pretty is a good quarterback Rock Purtty said,
they did stuff we didn't even we'd never seen before.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
C J.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Stroud with no run game, he's still a young kid,
looked lost.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I mean they showed him on the sideline. He had
his head in his hands, like, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I can't process.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
I mean it was brutally at two interceptions, including one
on his first pass, and the game was tipped unlucky.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Here's Stroud on the Vikings defensive performance.
Speaker 12 (24:14):
Trying to just stay in the pocket and you know,
deliver as best as I could. But you know, they
have some coverages and some pressures that they did at
a very very high level. So you know, coud as
those guys and they kicked our bus today. They they
are a great team and they will continue to be
doing great things. But we know what we are and
that's not what we put on the field today. And
(24:35):
once we fix the negatives, I mean we're going to
be rolling. So I'm excited, man, because the only way
you can go up, I'm the only way we can
go now is up.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I mean listen, it does young quarterbacks, even the
good ones, a great run game hugely beneficial. So you
take that out of Houston. Now you're on the road,
you get into a track meet where you gotta score. Now,
Minnesota knows you're dropping back to pass, Like this game
sits you Wayley per cij He's still in that learning curve.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah, Colin, they got to like the twenty five yard
line on a drive and they had four straight pre
snap penalties and they had to punt.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Like that's just uncharacteristic.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He was wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, clearly Minnesota's home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh, that's real.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think you could say it's the loudest stadium because
I've seen multiple teams now going to Minnesota and just
discombobulate at the line of skill.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Laramie Tunsil, who's one of the better tackles in the league,
had five penalties yesterday, like he was a disaster. Some
of the numbers on Flora's third down defense against Shanahan
last week, they were two for ten.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
San Francisco could not get extend the drives.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yesterday, Texans four for fourteen on third down against Brian Flores.
He's doing as good of a job as anybody as
faking where they're coming with the pressure, whether it's the
middle of the sides and Stroud just he could.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I know Brian Flores had a rough situation in Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I get it. He's got to get a second job.
He has to get a see.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The bottom line is, a lot of men are intense
when they get their first job.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
They're intent.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Lane Kiffin went to USC and he like strangled the program.
And then Lane Kiffin took a deep breath, he got humbled.
He went South and Lane Kiffen now is one of
the better coaches. But when you get that first big
job as a coach and you think I'm never gonna
get another job, and Brian kind of he just put
his arm around it and he squeezed it too hard.
But you go back to that Miami team. I remember
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that first eight games. They got hammered down there by
like Baltimore by like fifty And I remember a week
eight I looked up and I'm like, this could be
the best special teams unit and the second or third
best defense in the league with the same guy from
the previous staff, Brian Flores. I would give that guy.
I know he's intense. I think he can really cover.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
But it's early and we'll see what jobs are open
because you know, Brian Flores's defensive guy. If he don't
get a quarterback, he's going to go to a job
and be out of there in three years. That's just
how it works in the league. You know this iber
Flus is gonna be toast. It just keeps up in Chicago.
Like does Flores go to Chicago? Don't you want an
offensive guy to pair with your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Like I would want. I would prefer an offensive guy.
That's what I would prefer by Houston. The Houston guy
up to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's not a bad one. The final story is the
Raiders column. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
So remember they stormed back to beat the Ravens on
the road in Week two in the fourth quarter, and
they followed it up by getting their butts kicked up
and down the field by the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Thirty six twenty two was a final.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
They were down twenty six in the fourth quarter and
then it got worse after the game. Listen to Antonio
Pierce going off on his players.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
I think as the game went on, I don't think
it was a team it was. I think there was
definitely some individuals that made business decisions and what'll make
business decisions going forward as well.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What he's basically saying guys quit. Guys didn't want to
get hurt. They made business decisions to protect their body.
Not I mean it was you think there's a smart
thing to say in week three, Well, you know what,
I don't think it's a smart thing to do as
a player. And Antonio Pierce played, so he's looking out
there thinking, oh, you're you're pulling up on the tackle.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, but do you say that at the podium? Go
pull the player aside and tell him that. Well, he
didn't name any players individually a lot.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I think this is as bad now everybody's just gonna
be watching the tape and see and who's making business decisions.
One guy everybody pointing out is DeVante Adams. I'm sure
you saw the pass Minshew. This is Minshew right, eighty
three percent completions against the Ravens last week.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh remember, and I love Davonte.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
He was in one of the most stable organizations and
he said I'm gonna go home, and the old saying
can't go home again. It's like, dude, you do not
go Green made to the Raiders without shrapnel. I mean
that is the least chaotic franchise. I mean even New
England is chaotic now the least chaotic franchise in terms
of like no owner, Mark Murphy draft developed well, I
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mean they had I think Aaron and McCarthy at the
end got kind of ugly, little ugly for a couple
of year and a half, but you know it, just
stability in any business is underrated.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And he went home I think partially to pair with Carr.
That's your buddy from college. And then it was Jimmy
g and now it's Minshew and then he gets Minshew
got benched.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
He was terrible, Like really what Andy Dalton? Huh? The
red rifle the stat of the weekend.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
There's one quarterback this season with a three hundred yard
game and three touchdowns in the.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Game, and it's Andy Dalton. He did it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, also, what does that make you think about the
Bryce Young benching?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
I don't can't.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You can only come to one conclusion.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It doesn't mean Andy Dalton's the solution means.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But it means the word benching was validated. I mean,
when's the last time they scored in the mid twenties?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
They got the ball went down the field for a
touchdown in the opening drive, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Oh, this team has some guy Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Oh he was b shoot Chubb Chuba Hubbard, Cuba Hubbard,
seventy yards of total office.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
He has no was like, dudes, Deontay Johnson looked great.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
What's Bryce young? What's going through his mind?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't know, but it does validate the benching. We
didn't love the benching, but it it's like, I mean,
if you've ben somebody at a company and you bring
the next up and the next up stars, you're like,
you know, it's not the culture, it's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So you trade the young men. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think you just I think you let it play out.
I don't think you have to make a decision, but
it validated the decision. You don't have to like it,
but you're dropping in the thirties on the road. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
By The Herd line nice officially was convinced. I'll tell
you what I was convinced of. Officially next Colin right wrong,
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, the La Rams stole a win from the yesterday,
a bit like Atlanta did against Philadelphia last Monday Night football.
So it happens in the NFL. That's why if you
just hang around, unlike the Cowboys, who you hit him
on the chin, they fold. You just got to hang
around like Atlanta did last Monday. You got to hang
around like Philadelphia did with a Saints. You got to
hang around like the Rams did. They were down twenty
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one to seven, twenty four to fourteen, and they just
kept fighting and fighting and fighting. But my big takeaway
on this, and it's like a four hundred million dollar takeaway,
is I finally get Brock Purdy. He's never going to
be the biggest or most impressive, but mobility. He's more
of an athlete that I give him credit for. Their
special teams lost that game. Kyle Shanahan, this team had
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no focus late special teams. The Rams take it seriously
and the Niners don't seem to. And that was the
difference in the game. But there was no CMC, no
Christian McCaffrey, no d Boat, no Kittle, no problem. Juwan Jennings, who,
by the way, is the best number three receiver on
the planet. I love this kid and he is Brandon
(32:04):
Aiyuk spent the entire offseason complaining about not getting paid
when he had a year left in his contract. He
now is a non factor. Jennings is a much better player,
or at least right now, more valuable and moral lined
with brock Purdy. But they're going to have to make
a decision in a year on brock Purty and you're
not going to pay him sixty million a year, and
I don't think he would demand that. But the kid
(32:25):
can play. What do you want to say? He's smart,
he's accurate. He moves much better than I gave him
credit for bo Nix and Denver.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You're like, this kid moves. This kid moves really well.
He moves around the field well. And here's the thing,
is that Shanahan he gets these leads. This is Kyle's.
This is no longer a trend. This is kind of
reality in big games. Kyle gets these leads and I
think a lot of it is he is so good
on the script. He's got that, he's got that play
(32:54):
sheet and he just that's his play sheet, that's his bible,
and Kyle's great at it. But that tea lost focus.
The Rams culture with McVeigh is outstanding. There is just
a ton of fight. It's their biggest rival so far
with sixty to sixty five percent Niner fans. It was
an incredible environment. And I thought Brock pretty was his
(33:15):
team let him down. We've always wondered if Brock Pretty
is like the liability.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No, no, no, no, it was the coach.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
They had one hundred and eleven yards in penalties, it
was Ronnie Bell dropping a ball, it was special teams.
That's Brock Purtty. His team let him down. He carried
the team. Jennings carried the team. And yeah, some of
it scripted. They got a big lead. Kyle's teams tend
to get leads. But I mean, I could pay him now,
I'd be okay with it. I don't want to pay
(33:44):
him Josh Allen money. I'd pay he never going to
be the biggest, the strongest kid can play.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Here's Kyle After it seemed like Brock played his ass off.
From what I saw, he made a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Big plays, you know those.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
You know he took some good shots down the field
and stuff wasn't there. He did a hell of a
job scramble and make a small schedule plays on From
what I saw, I thought he plays ass off.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Okay, let's talk Kansas City. I'll save this. I saved
it until now. Listen, we live in a country where
people now deny elections unless their side wins. Let's not
become that in sports. Every time you lose, you're gonna
blame the officials. Listen. I remember, and I'm from the
Pacific Northwest, the Legion of Boom. That defense was so
(34:29):
young and so fast and so aggressive. With Pete Carroll,
they did get away with more penalties. You can't call everything,
and every hit felt like it was a half second late.
But it's like you can't call everything. There is value
in just being super aggressive. Aggressive wins in business, it
wins in football. Kansas City has got a sensationally fast, twitchy,
(34:52):
young aggressive defense. They push, they pull. You know, it's
the old Belichick trick. If Belichick's Patriots were facing a
team with white jury he would have his dbs where
white gloves so they could grab and clutch more and
officials were fooled and manipulated and couldn't see it. That's
part of the league. And I just think Kansas City's
defense gets away with more. It is so good situationally,
(35:12):
and when you combine that with Steve Spagnola is the
most aggressive defensive coordinator. So you have this young, hyper
speed defense. It's very Maybe it's not going to have
a nickname like Leeds and a Boom, But what's funny
about this and what should terrify the league as Mahomes
isn't playing worth a darn. They've got five tds and
four picks in they're three to zero. In fact, this
(35:33):
year he has his worst passing yard to game, the
fewest passing tds, his passer ratings in the eighties, and
they're totally comfortable playing games like this. It really feels
like New England. When we first watched this dynasty, it
was high flying and fastest guy in the world and
the cheetah on the sidelines, and now it's like looks
(35:54):
like New England. Brilliant coach in his prime or brilliant
coach older brilliant coach, best quart in the game. And
there were the Randy Moss years when New England was
offense over defense, and there was the Tyreek Hill years
in the early years. But this is the Patriots. Best coach,
best quarterback, hyper aggressive defense, totally comfortable in close games late.
(36:19):
This is what the Chiefs do, and they do a
better name, but it They love close games. They feast
on close games. They're situationally smarter and better than everybody
else between Reid and Mahomes and Kelsey and Steve Spagnola.
I mean, when that got down to fourth and one
for Atlanta and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Go wide on that, You're like, yeah, it's not gonna work.
That's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You're not gonna run outside on these guys when they
stacked the box and they're not playing particularly well on offense.
But I'm over the complaining about the officials. When I
lived in Connecticut, that's what I heard for ten years
on the Patriots, and they were just smarter than everybody.
They were just smarter. They had the best quarterback and
the best coach and situational guys, the best culture. I
have friends who practiced played with New England. They're like,
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we just we're just smarter than people. We love close games,
we watch teams fold we don't. And that's Kansas City.
And you can't call for everything. I mean, law enforcement
doesn't give everybody that speeds a ticket, right Like you're
on the freeway. Everybody speeds on the freeway. Who's egregiously
going to If you're going ninety on the freeway, you
get a ticket. If you're going seventy three, not that
(37:22):
I ever have, you're not getting one. I mean if
you're just if your hand's here and you're push here it,
everybody's doing it. They're not gonna throw nine flags. There's
only so many officials. The NFL wants a fast paced
to the game. We'll call in What are you saying?
I'm saying young fast aggression leads in a boom. There's
an advantage. I mean, you look at Georgia play football
last couple of years. You don't think that the rest
(37:43):
are seeing everything. Every hit feels like it's just a
tad late gonna call fourteen of those and they probably
call two. Here was Mahomes on another close win.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
I feel like I haven't played very well and that's
not a stats thing out. I feel like I'm missing
opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing the ball
in the exact spot I wanted to be at. So
it's about me getting back to my fundamentals, putting our
guys in the right position, and then we got to
execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are gonna
make us drive the field, we have to prove that
we're able to do that. And I'm sure we'll get
a lot of the same this next week with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It didn't start like this is a dynasty, but it
feels like the red jerseyed Midwest version of New England
coach quarterback close games, situationally brilliant, that's what it feels like.
And I mean, just listen. I didn't like Atlanta's play calling.
You have a great field goalkicker. I outd have kicked
a field goal the first time he got down there.
(38:39):
Take the points. Not everybody's a math major. Stop trying
to figure out the analytics. Kick the ball, take the points,
get it back. I didn't like that at all, and
I didn't love the play calling lad either, But that
ball in the end zone, it's like you can keep
blaming the officials. This team wins all these close games.
New England won seemingly all those close games. I don't
(39:01):
think it's refts. If the refs wanted to control the league.
This weekend from Thursday to yesterday wouldn't be the first
time I can remember both New York teams playing well,
that's the first time. You know, look who's good in
the league. Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Green Bay, all these
small markets. Yeah, Cowboys would actually win playoff games. I
(39:22):
know you're convinced the league is like, we got to
make Kansas City the beacon of greatness in the league.
Or let's go to a Let's go to the northeast,
to a baseball town in Boston, a provincial baseball town
that's the hub of activity. It's like, sometimes people are
better aggressive wins. Kansas City's fast and aggressive. I'm just
(39:42):
like rinse and repeat. I've seen this before. They win
a close game home or away. Colin Wright, Colin wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Be and however you may be watching or listening, Thanks
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Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, there's a
lot of folk Jmac. You know I had said before
the season, all these twelve win Cowboys seasons, I said,
(00:54):
I believe they have peaked and they'll be slow regressing.
It won't be drastic, they won't go down to seven
win the eight wins, but it'll be about twelve twelve twelve.
This year will be closer to ten, and there'll be
more ugly losses. And once again, don't be fooled by
the fourth quarter. Dallas got smoked.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Right, it feels good that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We nail that game, right, Ravens in a mauling.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So see thee Lamb and Dak are arguing on one
side line and Micah Parsons is yelling at the defense
both sides and chaos. The Cowboys have become one big,
authentic Kardashian event. There's drama, and there's glitz, and there's glemma,
and there's money, and most of it's just a big illusion.
(01:37):
And they both have the most gullible of people that
worship them. The Cowboys and the Kardashians are great at
taking your money, and Jerry Jones has master that follow
the bouncing ball. But increasingly if the last five really
good teams. They have played Buffalo, Green Bay and Detroit
last year, Saints Ravens this year, four or five of
(01:59):
those that are at home, and they've been bullied in
all of those games. At some point, four or five
just bullied Dallas. Here's the problem. Their roster's not talented enough.
And Jerry Jones calls himself the GM he's eighty one.
It's not a good enough roster. They're also a team
that's soft. They're the worst run defense, in the league. Dereck,
(02:22):
Henry and Lamar had their way yesterday. They're also a
team that has no chin. If you hit them early,
they fold like a cheap deck chair. Also, Dak, CD
and Micah eventually are all going to have top of
the market contract, so you better start nailing those fourth, fifth,
and sixth round picks. Baltimore didn't do anything creative. They
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just ran the ball like the Saints did, over and
over and over, often not around but right at Dallas.
So they're getting really expensive. The roster isn't very good,
and Dallas is trailed by twenty or more in three
of their last four games. But hey, Dak leads the
(03:04):
league in passing yards, which is just so perfectly fitting
because Jerry Jones can mention that and justified paying him
top of the league. Congratulations. But if you go back
to like this is something that this is about culture
and soul, you know, everybody bangs on Daniel Jones, and
I will say I had the Giants winning yesterday in
the offensive line, and now they've got a number one receiver.
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They've got a little bit of a life in New York.
Not a great team. Cowboys play the Giants Thursday. But
New York's got a little bit of protection, a little
bit of a life, a little bit of a hope.
But as you all bang on Daniel Jones, I went
and looked up this morning. Since twenty twenty, Dak and
the Cowboys have only had six fourth quarter comebacks. That's
the same as Daniel Jones, meaning, you got more talent,
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but you don't have any more heart. There's no soul.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And unlike the Kardashians, actually some of the Kardashian products
are actually pretty good. Skims I'm told is excellent. And
whereas the Kardashian fans that worshiped them actually liked their
products and liked them. Dallas fans were recently surveyed in
the off season by the athletic thousands of fans and
(04:13):
the majority said, we have no chance to win a
Super Bowl in the next five years. What am I
supposed to like about this team? You can run on them.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They don't have.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Much of a culture. It's Situationally, they're not brilliantly coached.
Dak throws for a lot of yards, but those fourth
quarter yards yesterday, that's stat padding.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
They weren't real I checked it. Out during the game.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
At halftime, the Ravens were averaging over eight yards of play.
So at the end of the third quarter, I went
to my phone after the third quarter the Ravens were
averaging nine yards of play. That's like an outmatched college team.
After the game at Mosey, by the way, asked why
(04:55):
couldn't you They asked about Derreck Henry, who, by the way,
against Dallas was good, and Gerry said that we couldn't
afford him, and Matt Moseley said why.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You can't buy a mansion when you live in a
different kind of house. And to that, I would say,
your running backs.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Are not a mansion.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You got one elite wide receiver, an okay tight end.
Where's all the money going? Where are all the great players? Buffalo,
Green Bay Saints Ravens. They're just dominating you. They're pushing
you all over the field. And here's Micah Parsons after.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean the same thing I think right now. We
got people just showing to be Superman. People just got
on their jobs.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
We don't need everyone to be Superman. We don't need
no superman's at all. We just need to love of
guys playing together.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
All right, let's have a really serious, hard conversation about
what's happening with the Chicago Bears. So I thought bow Knicks,
although not great early in the season, I'm watching Sean Payne,
Peyton the coach, and bow Knicks, and I can see
what they're trying to do. I can see the plan.
And not every business is a rocket ship. Some businesses
(06:05):
take a while, some teams take a while. But can
I identify like a plan? We need to have a
hard conversation. I don't think this coaching staff is gonna
work with Caleb Williams. They have no run game at all,
like none. I can't see the plan. It's bad backyard football.
The offensive line is regressed. I mean, they faced the
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team yesterday in Indianapolis that doesn't defend the run, and
they still couldn't run fewest yards per play in the NFL.
And this is not a team without talent. They had
a young and improving old line last year. Not anymore.
They had as semblance of a run game, I thought
last year. Not anymore. They had Keenan Allen roma Dunze,
they got DJ Moore, they got players, They're lasting. Everything
(06:46):
that matters or next to last for our TV audience,
sorry radio audience, Look at the screen. I mean DeAndre
Swift has had thirty seven carries, one has been for
a first down. I mean again, once again, I see
a defensive coach and a defensive culture not being able
(07:06):
to figure out how to fix a quarterback. And Cayleb
Williams came into this league, we talked about it. He
could be erratic, he was an incredible playmaker, but he
was going to need somebody like Andy Reid with Mahomes
already to get him back into the fairway, or what
Kevin O'Connell is doing with Sam Darnold take away the reckless,
and that's the bigger problem perhaps for Chicago. Minnesota is
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gifted offensively, and young green Bay's got a great coach,
gifted offensively, and young Detroit's not as young. Many of
their players are now moving into their prime. But Detroit, Minnesota,
and Green Bay are excellent offensive teams, not all great defensively,
excellent offensively, and I would say two of them have
great coaches. I think Kevin O'Connell and Matt Lafleu a
(07:50):
pass the test flying colors. I think Dan Campbell is
a great culture builder. I don't know if I trust
them situationally, but he's a good coach. Okay, So forget
for a second the Kayleb Williams stuff. You got the
one defensive coach in that division. You can't win games
in this division going forward, scoring twenty points a game,
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You gotta get into the twenty eights.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
This is now the best offense, best offensive division in football.
Take the Bears out of it. The other three teams
could put an offensive Pro Bowl team together. Minnesota, Detroit
and green Bay, and their best players are mostly young
and getting better. They're no old guys in this league.
The tackles the old line for Detroit, the young receivers
tight ends for green Bay, Minnesota Jefferson, Jordan Natison, TJ Hawkins,
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and Sam Darnold's playing out of his mind like MVP stuff.
Isn't this snarky tweet?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He maybe so.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Chicago's got major issues here. They're touchdown at the end
as garbage. They scored nine real points. They can't run.
There's no plan. What am I watching? They got to
get him an offensive guru. In the downside, if you
fire a coach midseason and bring it an interim coach,
be very very careful about that, because if the interim wins,
like four games in a row, often in interims a
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substitute teacher. Everybody's on their best behavior and great energy
and sucking up with the teacher and bringing produce every morning.
Hear Missus Jones, here's your thirteenth apple of nine days.
And then the interim coach isn't really a head coach.
It was all about energy and him trying to impress
the new person in the room. And you're stuck with
an interim coach for four years, so you may have
to just stick with Eberflus. But this isn't working. They
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bring in a new oc the old lines. I thought
it was promising. It's awful. The run game's got DeAndre Swift.
It's terrible. I mean the Colts team, by the way,
the Colts team had a quarterback that completed fifty percent
of his throws, no touchdowns, two pecks, can't hit a
swing path to save his life. They didn't have DeForest Muckner,
and they won, and they controlled large junks of the game. Like,
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this isn't working, and I'm not unrealistic. I watched Denver,
and I'm like, oh, I see the plan. Jaden Daniels, Oh,
I see kind of what they're doing here. I'm like,
I'm giving guys patience, but this is I don't even
know what I'm looking at. Here's Caleb after.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I throw fifty two times, geez, I do whatever team needs,
you know what I mean. And so if it's fifty times,
it's fifty times. I can't have the two turnovers with
those fifty attempts. And if it comes down to being
fifty attempts and us slinging the ball around, if it
comes down to being you know, ten attempts, it's whatever
team needs, whatever team needs to get the win, We'll
keep slinging it. We'll keep working on a run game.
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You know, we'll keep getting better, definitely as offense. We're
gonna get this thing going here soon.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh by the way, one of the best quarterbacks and
best coaches on the planet, Sean McVay Matt Stafford next up.
And before you think, ooh, that's bad scheduling, now you
just got you just got the team he should have beaten.
You just got Anthony Richardson and the team that can't
defend the run like This was the game to get
it right. This was the team. The Rams now were
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getting healthy. If you got the Rams in three weeks
should get dusted. You may have a shot this weekend
because the old line is still a bit of a
mess and the wide receiving group is down to backups.
But McVeigh and Stafford, now, good luck cause that get well.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The getting's good. That was your game. I mean, the
NFL gave you a favor.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They're like, hey, let's give him Tennessee early, and let's
give him a Let's give him the Colts here. That
Houston's kind of tough, you know't McVeigh. Oh, here's Carolina.
They're giving you games to win, and Carolina now looks
like they're competent. Trub Bull like, I'm trying to be patient,
but I don't see it. And you can blame the quarterback,
but they're not they're not firing him. That's the future.
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You gotta make this thing work. You keep taking big
swings on quarterbacks. They're not getting rid of him. But
this is what I always worry about. I said before
the season. J Mack is my witness. I said, Jaden's
got a defensive coach and Caleb's got a defensive coach,
and Drake May's got a defensive coach. And the kid
in Denver has an offensive coach, and you are watching
Vo Nicks. They're not perfect, but I took him in
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my blazing five. If you watch Denver's offense, you see
what they're trying to do, Like I can identify, Oh,
they want to get Bonicks out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They like the run.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
He's their leading rusher. Like, you can see what they're
trying to do. It's intentional what they're trying to do.
It's flawed, it's not great, but I can see it
as a fan. Oh, that's what they're trying to do.
I don't know what the heck Chicago's offense is. It's
like bad inner Murals with one really talented guy running
around running for life.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The run game.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The old line's all gotten worse, all right, Jay Mac,
I will say this that Philadelphia New Orleans game. I
have defended Jalen Hurts for years, and you have pushed
back mightily. In fact, Friday, you said Colin, people in
Philadelphia are pushing back on Jalen Hurts, And once again
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I stood up and defended him.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He turns the ball over a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Him and Sirianni.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
That was that was That was a big sweat that
Eagles win. Awesome victory for them.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But uh, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
A really fascinating, flawed, ugly game. But can we admit this,
that's Saquon Barkley acquisition. Amazing How the Giants thought that happened? Yeah,
I know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
A real quick note on Bears. You said Bears Rams
this week. You want to guess what the line is.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
On that one?
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay, so it's in Chicago, in Chicago, Yeah, okay, Rams
still no Pooka, no Cooper Cup from no Steve Avilia,
the offensive lineman, the banged up Yeah, I would say
Rams off a Niner win dramatic Rams minus one and
a half.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It was my first bet of the week. Bears favored
by two.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I'm on the Bears. You're on the Bears. Yes, they're
winning this game. Bears favored against the Rams.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Is that not shock?
Speaker 6 (13:36):
You give it?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What the Bears?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You're taking the Bears?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I am, Yeah, I took them. By the way.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Caleb Williams throwing fifty two times is in like a
one score game the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Time against a team missing their best defensive players. That
is not good against the run.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Worse than the league coming into the game against the run.
I don't know the game, Ibra Flus is a must win.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For you, for your guy, my guy, my guy McVay.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Nobody's gonna be sure to catch live editions of The
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Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I said after they lost to the Atlanta Falcons,
I'm one in at football, I said, Eagle fans, you
have a good team, you have a good GM, you
have a good roster, you have good fans. AJ Brown
will come back. Chill out. Atlanta's an OK team. You
saw last night. Atlanta had two opportunities knocking at the
door to beat the Chiefs, and the Chiefs are the
best team in the NFL. Atlanta's a good team. I
don't think they're as good as Kansas City or your
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top four or five teams in the league, but they're
a good team. So there's there's no shame in losing
at the very last drive to Atlanta. But yesterday I
felt good about Philadelphia last week. Losing this morning, I
don't feel very good about Philadelphia and they won. You know,
I've forever, I've defended Jalen Hurtz. He's a small quarterback,
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like a Tua, like a Russell Wilson. Smaller quarterbacks don't
tend to see the middle of the field as well
because the offensive lineman six five and sixty six. And
we don't love the head coach, Nick Seriani that that's true,
but we have to be honest about this. A lot
of coaches lose offensive coordinators. McVeigh loses them, lost Kevin O'Connell.
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You know, Andy Reid's lost good offensive coordinators, Shanahan. You
don't see a huge effect since Shane Steiken has left.
Jalen Hurts has twenty six picks and nineteen interceptions since
he's lost Shane Steiken. He has the most giveaways in
the league, twenty six, and I defend him. You can't
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win that way. Well, I mean, Philadelphia did. They are
a turnover mess. This is no longer a snapshot or
a trend. This is who they are and it is
clearly tied to Shane Steike. And we're seeing great coaching
all over this league. We've seen Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota, coach,
the reckless out of Sam Darnold. We're watching Matt Lafleur
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in Green Bay. I didn't think Malik Willis was a
starting NFL quarterback. He's been not wildly productive, but super efficient.
We're seeing coaching and the effect that has Niners defense
was way better when Demko Ryans was the coordinator than
the group that's doing it now. Like we see coaching
and how much it matters. Kyle Shanahan as a coordinator,
made Matt Ryan an MVP, and they led Brady in.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
The fourth quarter of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
This thing is it's I still like the GM, I
like the owner, I like the roster. I think Jalen
Hurts has talent, but it's not working. I mean, if
not for Saquon Barkley, who I still can't believe is
a Philadelphia Eagle, I think they'd be zero to three.
I mean, the Saquon Barkley has saved this offense. And
I was sitting there thinking this morning, it's like, you know,
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it's like the Philadelphia Eagles are becoming that company with
a good stock price, but everybody knows inside the company
they got major issues and the public just doesn't know
about it, and they're one bad earnings report from the
whole damn thing unraveling. This doesn't work. This offense commits
too many turnovers, and you don't have the right offensive coach.
One thing, if you would lose a defensive coordinator. But
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when an offensive coach loses an offensive coordinator, and it's
I mean, the boat sinking, you gotta look at the
head coach. Because there's too much about Philadelphia I like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And there's just too.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Many good players, too good owner, good GM, aggressive GM.
They draft well, they developed like everybody else. They miss
on picks. But there's just too much with Philadelphia I like.
But when you lose a coordinator and the quarterback who's
a talented guy who you've paid, suddenly becomes the single
most turnover prone quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Like I get the day.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
J Brown's not there, Dallas Goddard, Davonte Smith, Saquon Barkley,
above average offensive line. Philadelphia has always got, dudes, Nick Ceriani,
I mean, the defense was good on the win over
the Saints.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Like we know this is this is not sustainable. We
said this after the Green Bay game, this is not sustainable.
We got to take the ball way and we did
in a critical scenario, but we still lost the turnover battle,
and so this is not sustainable to do it that way.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
We got to take care of the ball.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
We got to get the ball away from him. But again,
the resiliency, I mean, the defense played unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not doubting, by the way.
Unlike Dallas, I like Philly's roster. Unlike Dallas, I like
Philly's toughness. Unlike Dallas, I like Philly's resiliency, unlike Jerry
Jones's GM, I like Howie Roseman. Like Philadelphia is gonna
win this division. I'm sure of it, almost, but this
turnover thing is just insane, and it's tied to one guy.
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He's in Indianapolis. I'm not sure he loves his quarterback either.
J Mackle the News, This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
One of the great impressive performances Collin of Week three
was what Malik willis incredible Lafleur did to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We'dn't say Matt Laflour is a great coach.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Oh, he's excellent. I got you got to give the
man props. I've been slow to give him props, but
He's just awesome. In the last two weeks, Colin, I
mean Lake, Willis put up four hundred and thirty eight
total yards, the Packers did three touchdowns in a thirty
to fourteen win.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Lafleur just gushing about his backup quarterback.
Speaker 10 (19:10):
I just cannot articulate the job that he's done in
the short period of time. People can't fathom. I promise you,
you guys don't get it. I know you think you
got it, but you don't get it. What he's been
able to do is I've never seen something like this.
So hats off to him, Hats off to everybody around him.
Guy's rallying, having his back. Jordan Love's been instrumental as well,
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just giving him the tips and hanging right by his
side and helping him out all along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Good Now, I think everybody understands this. We know how
hard it is. But as good as Jordan Love was
he had three years. I think most of us watched
Malik Willis. I mean think about what Tennessee did. Tennessee
gave him away. I mean, Tennessee didn't give him a
real shot. They said, we like will Levis better on
his tape. They just gave up on him, and Tennessee's
done some good things with personnel through the year. They
just quit on him and he didn't join this team
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long offseason. It was during the cuts, the fifty three
man cut. This kid just got in the building. And
by the way, Green Bay still kind of rebuilding their
offensive line, their tight ends and wide receivers, youngest team
in the league. This is just insane coaching. It's why
am I hard on coaches, because you can see great
coaching in this league what Kevin o'connella Matt Lafleur are doing.
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They've literally coached the reckless out of Malik Willis and
Sam Darnold, Sam Donald was Carson Wentz. You always like, oh,
he's got talent, wild turnovers. Malik Willis is like, couldn't
I mean, just just throwing strikes was hard last week?
Speaker 7 (20:39):
You know, Willis didn't all check down short stuff. Now, yeah,
so everybody assumed he can't throw it down the field.
First drive, he comes out, two completions of over thirty yards,
throws a back shoulder bomb to Watson on the sideline.
I'm like, I did not know Malik Willis could do.
I didn't know he had this a courreent Colin. He
had one hundred and fifty eight yards passing in the
first half.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
That was his career. You're high for any game ever
in the first half.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I do think we probably need to say something about
the Packers defense, which has been tremendous. Yeah, they had
seven interceptions last season. In that they have seven this
season after three games. Yeah, pretty impressive. The came from
Boston College.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, head coach at Boston College came over and got
tired of the transfer portal. By the way, Joe Barry,
Packer fans had gotten very, very tired of that. So again,
once again, Matt Lafleur has shown in ability to upgrade
coaching staff. That's a skill for a coach, very McVeigh like,
and also shown an ability to take players and like
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rehab them. If you had give me coach of the
year right now, one and two would be Kevin o'codl
and Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And there's good coaches, but what they've.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Sat Tomlin deserves a seat at the table for the
three h start right.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, it's early. I have considered putting them deep and
hurd higher. By the way, I'm not talking eight or above.
I'm just saying they're getting consideration figured out. Throw you
as a committee. Any will love his thoughts on his
I'm I'm not. I'm just done with it. I wish
them the very best going forward. That's not gonna work,
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that's not the picks is pretty bo I'm not. You know,
at some point they're young. I wish them the very
best in their future endeavors.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
But by the way, this is two straight weeks that
a lot of sharp betters have gone against Lafleur and
Willis and they got their teeth kicked in for that time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Last two weeks. I just sat on Green Bay. I
had a good day yesterday. I said, I'm staying away.
I'm no longer staying away. I'm taking the Packers. I
know it's the Vikings, it's at Lambeau. That's their coaching,
that's the coaching guru. Matchup of the year, Kevin O'Connell
is Jordan Love gonna play.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And we'll see.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
The line currently I'm seeing is minus two and a
half Packers, So I would assume they think Love's going
to be back. By the way, if you look at
the NFC, there's some carnage among the good teams like
Detroit is not as spicy. The Finers are now one
and two would beat up? Are the Packers the best
team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
TA I picked the Packers to win the division. I
picked the Lions to be a wild card because I
just didn't trust I didn't trust the Lions as a favorite.
I trust Green Bay with everything top to bottom. Mart
Murphy down. They know what they're doing. They're just super young.
And I don't know if a team that young. But
if you go to Kansas City last year, the chief
defense said was Chris Jones and a bunch of kids.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I know the Seahawks are three and oh, but I'm
just this Packers team has been super impressive so far,
really impressive. Let's get to the next game. Less impressive
is the Texans who got stomped out by the Vikings.
What a beatout. I did not see this one coming.
Vikings moved to three and oh C J. Stroud really struggled. Now,
Joe Mixon did not play, they had no run game.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Cam Akers and by the way, Brian Flores defensive coordinator,
He's the coordinator of the year so far.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Hey, Listen Brock pretty is a good quarterback Rock Purtty said,
they did stuff we didn't even we'd never seen before.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
C J.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Stroud with no run game, he's still a young kid,
looked lost.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I mean they showed him on the sideline. He had
his head in his hands, like, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I can't process.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
I mean it was brutally at two interceptions, including one
on his first pass, and the game was tipped unlucky.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Here's Stroud on the Vikings defensive performance.
Speaker 12 (24:14):
Trying to just stay in the pocket and you know,
deliver as best as I could. But you know, they
have some coverages and some pressures that they did at
a very very high level. So you know, coud as
those guys and they kicked our bus today. They they
are a great team and they will continue to be
doing great things. But we know what we are and
that's not what we put on the field today. And
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once we fix the negatives, I mean we're going to
be rolling. So I'm excited, man, because the only way
you can go up, I'm the only way we can
go now is up.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I mean listen, it does young quarterbacks, even the
good ones, a great run game hugely beneficial. So you
take that out of Houston. Now you're on the road,
you get into a track meet where you gotta score. Now,
Minnesota knows you're dropping back to pass, Like this game
sits you Wayley per cij He's still in that learning curve.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah, Colin, they got to like the twenty five yard
line on a drive and they had four straight pre
snap penalties and they had to punt.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Like that's just uncharacteristic.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He was wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, clearly Minnesota's home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh, that's real.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think you could say it's the loudest stadium because
I've seen multiple teams now going to Minnesota and just
discombobulate at the line of skill.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Laramie Tunsil, who's one of the better tackles in the league,
had five penalties yesterday, like he was a disaster. Some
of the numbers on Flora's third down defense against Shanahan
last week, they were two for ten.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
San Francisco could not get extend the drives.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yesterday, Texans four for fourteen on third down against Brian Flores.
He's doing as good of a job as anybody as
faking where they're coming with the pressure, whether it's the
middle of the sides and Stroud just he could.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I know Brian Flores had a rough situation in Miami.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I get it. He's got to get a second job.
He has to get a see.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The bottom line is, a lot of men are intense
when they get their first job.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
They're intent.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Lane Kiffin went to USC and he like strangled the program.
And then Lane Kiffin took a deep breath, he got humbled.
He went South and Lane Kiffen now is one of
the better coaches. But when you get that first big
job as a coach and you think I'm never gonna
get another job, and Brian kind of he just put
his arm around it and he squeezed it too hard.
But you go back to that Miami team. I remember
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that first eight games. They got hammered down there by
like Baltimore by like fifty And I remember a week
eight I looked up and I'm like, this could be
the best special teams unit and the second or third
best defense in the league with the same guy from
the previous staff, Brian Flores. I would give that guy.
I know he's intense. I think he can really cover.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
But it's early and we'll see what jobs are open
because you know, Brian Flores's defensive guy. If he don't
get a quarterback, he's going to go to a job
and be out of there in three years. That's just
how it works in the league. You know this iber
Flus is gonna be toast. It just keeps up in Chicago.
Like does Flores go to Chicago? Don't you want an
offensive guy to pair with your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Like I would want. I would prefer an offensive guy.
That's what I would prefer by Houston. The Houston guy
up to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's not a bad one. The final story is the
Raiders column. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
So remember they stormed back to beat the Ravens on
the road in Week two in the fourth quarter, and
they followed it up by getting their butts kicked up
and down the field by the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Thirty six twenty two was a final.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
They were down twenty six in the fourth quarter and
then it got worse after the game. Listen to Antonio
Pierce going off on his players.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
I think as the game went on, I don't think
it was a team it was. I think there was
definitely some individuals that made business decisions and what'll make
business decisions going forward as well.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What he's basically saying guys quit. Guys didn't want to
get hurt. They made business decisions to protect their body.
Not I mean it was you think there's a smart
thing to say in week three, Well, you know what,
I don't think it's a smart thing to do as
a player. And Antonio Pierce played, so he's looking out
there thinking, oh, you're you're pulling up on the tackle.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, but do you say that at the podium? Go
pull the player aside and tell him that. Well, he
didn't name any players individually a lot.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I think this is as bad now everybody's just gonna
be watching the tape and see and who's making business decisions.
One guy everybody pointing out is DeVante Adams. I'm sure
you saw the pass Minshew. This is Minshew right, eighty
three percent completions against the Ravens last week.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh remember, and I love Davonte.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
He was in one of the most stable organizations and
he said I'm gonna go home, and the old saying
can't go home again. It's like, dude, you do not
go Green made to the Raiders without shrapnel. I mean
that is the least chaotic franchise. I mean even New
England is chaotic now the least chaotic franchise in terms
of like no owner, Mark Murphy draft developed well, I
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mean they had I think Aaron and McCarthy at the
end got kind of ugly, little ugly for a couple
of year and a half, but you know it, just
stability in any business is underrated.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
And he went home I think partially to pair with Carr.
That's your buddy from college. And then it was Jimmy
g and now it's Minshew and then he gets Minshew
got benched.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
He was terrible, Like really what Andy Dalton? Huh? The
red rifle the stat of the weekend.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
There's one quarterback this season with a three hundred yard
game and three touchdowns in the.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Game, and it's Andy Dalton. He did it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, also, what does that make you think about the
Bryce Young benching?
Speaker 7 (29:26):
I don't can't.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You can only come to one conclusion.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It doesn't mean Andy Dalton's the solution means.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But it means the word benching was validated. I mean,
when's the last time they scored in the mid twenties?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
They got the ball went down the field for a
touchdown in the opening drive, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Oh, this team has some guy Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Oh he was b shoot Chubb Chuba Hubbard, Cuba Hubbard,
seventy yards of total office.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
He has no was like, dudes, Deontay Johnson looked great.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
What's Bryce young? What's going through his mind?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't know, but it does validate the benching. We
didn't love the benching, but it it's like, I mean,
if you've ben somebody at a company and you bring
the next up and the next up stars, you're like,
you know, it's not the culture, it's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So you trade the young men. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think you just I think you let it play out.
I don't think you have to make a decision, but
it validated the decision. You don't have to like it,
but you're dropping in the thirties on the road. Jmack
with the news.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
By The Herd line nice officially was convinced. I'll tell
you what I was convinced of. Officially next Colin right wrong,
top of the Hour.
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Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, the La Rams stole a win from the yesterday,
a bit like Atlanta did against Philadelphia last Monday Night football.
So it happens in the NFL. That's why if you
just hang around, unlike the Cowboys, who you hit him
on the chin, they fold. You just got to hang
around like Atlanta did last Monday. You got to hang
around like Philadelphia did with a Saints. You got to
hang around like the Rams did. They were down twenty
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one to seven, twenty four to fourteen, and they just
kept fighting and fighting and fighting. But my big takeaway
on this, and it's like a four hundred million dollar takeaway,
is I finally get Brock Purdy. He's never going to
be the biggest or most impressive, but mobility. He's more
of an athlete that I give him credit for. Their
special teams lost that game. Kyle Shanahan, this team had
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no focus late special teams. The Rams take it seriously
and the Niners don't seem to. And that was the
difference in the game. But there was no CMC, no
Christian McCaffrey, no d Boat, no Kittle, no problem. Juwan Jennings, who,
by the way, is the best number three receiver on
the planet. I love this kid and he is Brandon
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Aiyuk spent the entire offseason complaining about not getting paid
when he had a year left in his contract. He
now is a non factor. Jennings is a much better player,
or at least right now, more valuable and moral lined
with brock Purdy. But they're going to have to make
a decision in a year on brock Purty and you're
not going to pay him sixty million a year, and
I don't think he would demand that. But the kid
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can play. What do you want to say? He's smart,
he's accurate. He moves much better than I gave him
credit for bo Nix and Denver.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You're like, this kid moves. This kid moves really well.
He moves around the field well. And here's the thing,
is that Shanahan he gets these leads. This is Kyle's.
This is no longer a trend. This is kind of
reality in big games. Kyle gets these leads and I
think a lot of it is he is so good
on the script. He's got that, he's got that play
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sheet and he just that's his play sheet, that's his bible,
and Kyle's great at it. But that tea lost focus.
The Rams culture with McVeigh is outstanding. There is just
a ton of fight. It's their biggest rival so far
with sixty to sixty five percent Niner fans. It was
an incredible environment. And I thought Brock pretty was his
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team let him down. We've always wondered if Brock Pretty
is like the liability.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No, no, no, no, it was the coach.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
They had one hundred and eleven yards in penalties, it
was Ronnie Bell dropping a ball, it was special teams.
That's Brock Purtty. His team let him down. He carried
the team. Jennings carried the team. And yeah, some of
it scripted. They got a big lead. Kyle's teams tend
to get leads. But I mean, I could pay him now,
I'd be okay with it. I don't want to pay
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him Josh Allen money. I'd pay he never going to
be the biggest, the strongest kid can play.
Speaker 11 (33:48):
Here's Kyle After it seemed like Brock played his ass off.
From what I saw, he made a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Big plays, you know those.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
You know he took some good shots down the field
and stuff wasn't there. He did a hell of a
job scramble and make a small schedule plays on From
what I saw, I thought he plays ass off.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Okay, let's talk Kansas City. I'll save this. I saved
it until now. Listen, we live in a country where
people now deny elections unless their side wins. Let's not
become that in sports. Every time you lose, you're gonna
blame the officials. Listen. I remember, and I'm from the
Pacific Northwest, the Legion of Boom. That defense was so
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young and so fast and so aggressive. With Pete Carroll,
they did get away with more penalties. You can't call everything,
and every hit felt like it was a half second late.
But it's like you can't call everything. There is value
in just being super aggressive. Aggressive wins in business, it
wins in football. Kansas City has got a sensationally fast, twitchy,
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young aggressive defense. They push, they pull. You know, it's
the old Belichick trick. If Belichick's Patriots were facing a
team with white jury he would have his dbs where
white gloves so they could grab and clutch more and
officials were fooled and manipulated and couldn't see it. That's
part of the league. And I just think Kansas City's
defense gets away with more. It is so good situationally,
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and when you combine that with Steve Spagnola is the
most aggressive defensive coordinator. So you have this young, hyper
speed defense. It's very Maybe it's not going to have
a nickname like Leeds and a Boom, But what's funny
about this and what should terrify the league as Mahomes
isn't playing worth a darn. They've got five tds and
four picks in they're three to zero. In fact, this
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year he has his worst passing yard to game, the
fewest passing tds, his passer ratings in the eighties, and
they're totally comfortable playing games like this. It really feels
like New England. When we first watched this dynasty, it
was high flying and fastest guy in the world and
the cheetah on the sidelines, and now it's like looks
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like New England. Brilliant coach in his prime or brilliant
coach older brilliant coach, best quart in the game. And
there were the Randy Moss years when New England was
offense over defense, and there was the Tyreek Hill years
in the early years. But this is the Patriots. Best coach,
best quarterback, hyper aggressive defense, totally comfortable in close games late.
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This is what the Chiefs do, and they do a
better name, but it They love close games. They feast
on close games. They're situationally smarter and better than everybody
else between Reid and Mahomes and Kelsey and Steve Spagnola.
I mean, when that got down to fourth and one
for Atlanta and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Go wide on that, You're like, yeah, it's not gonna work.
That's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You're not gonna run outside on these guys when they
stacked the box and they're not playing particularly well on offense.
But I'm over the complaining about the officials. When I
lived in Connecticut, that's what I heard for ten years
on the Patriots, and they were just smarter than everybody.
They were just smarter. They had the best quarterback and
the best coach and situational guys, the best culture. I
have friends who practiced played with New England. They're like,
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we just we're just smarter than people. We love close games,
we watch teams fold we don't. And that's Kansas City.
And you can't call for everything. I mean, law enforcement
doesn't give everybody that speeds a ticket, right Like you're
on the freeway. Everybody speeds on the freeway. Who's egregiously
going to If you're going ninety on the freeway, you
get a ticket. If you're going seventy three, not that
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I ever have, you're not getting one. I mean if
you're just if your hand's here and you're push here it,
everybody's doing it. They're not gonna throw nine flags. There's
only so many officials. The NFL wants a fast paced
to the game. We'll call in What are you saying?
I'm saying young fast aggression leads in a boom. There's
an advantage. I mean, you look at Georgia play football
last couple of years. You don't think that the rest
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are seeing everything. Every hit feels like it's just a
tad late gonna call fourteen of those and they probably
call two. Here was Mahomes on another close win.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
I feel like I haven't played very well and that's
not a stats thing out. I feel like I'm missing
opportunities whenever they're out there and not throwing the ball
in the exact spot I wanted to be at. So
it's about me getting back to my fundamentals, putting our
guys in the right position, and then we got to
execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are gonna
make us drive the field, we have to prove that
we're able to do that. And I'm sure we'll get
a lot of the same this next week with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It didn't start like this is a dynasty, but it
feels like the red jerseyed Midwest version of New England
coach quarterback close games, situationally brilliant, that's what it feels like.
And I mean, just listen. I didn't like Atlanta's play calling.
You have a great field goalkicker. I outd have kicked
a field goal the first time he got down there.
(38:39):
Take the points. Not everybody's a math major. Stop trying
to figure out the analytics. Kick the ball, take the points,
get it back. I didn't like that at all, and
I didn't love the play calling lad either, But that
ball in the end zone, it's like you can keep
blaming the officials. This team wins all these close games.
New England won seemingly all those close games. I don't
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think it's refts. If the refs wanted to control the league.
This weekend from Thursday to yesterday wouldn't be the first
time I can remember both New York teams playing well,
that's the first time. You know, look who's good in
the league. Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Green Bay, all these
small markets. Yeah, Cowboys would actually win playoff games. I
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know you're convinced the league is like, we got to
make Kansas City the beacon of greatness in the league.
Or let's go to a Let's go to the northeast,
to a baseball town in Boston, a provincial baseball town
that's the hub of activity. It's like, sometimes people are
better aggressive wins. Kansas City's fast and aggressive. I'm just
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like rinse and repeat. I've seen this before. They win
a close game home or away. Colin Wright, Colin wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
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