September 25, 2024 • 29 mins
Colin talks to 3-time Pro Bowler Carson Palmer about Joe Burrow and the Bengals starting 0-3 and Caleb Williams struggling in his transition to the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Bengals, Raiders, Cardinals fifteen years three pro Balls. Carson Palmer
always understood what it was like to have to deal
with a bit of dysfunction, not always the world's greatest support.
And as we've seen Carson, these young quarterbacks. Bo Nicks
gets Sean Payton. That to me's an advantage. Jaden Daniels
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gets Cliff Kingsbury. I think Cliff's a very sharp guy.
He's had mobile. I think that's an advantage. I watch
Caleb and I think, man, this is a this is
a off sled. Right. You sat behind John Kittnef. I
recall the first year Central Washington. I remember that. Do
you think you could make an argument they probably should
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have said him maybe to Thanksgiving Caleb? Or is he
so talented which you were just put him out there? No?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think the best thing for Caleb to do is play.
He needs the experience, he needs these reps, and you know, unfortunately,
to be a good quarterback, you really need to go
through some adversity. You need to come in and have
struggles to really appreciate the peaks that you get to
get to. You got to understand those valleys and those lows,
and they'll make him a better quarterback. They'll make him
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work harder, they'll make him want it more. A lot
of times when you see young guys coming in the
league and have a ton of success, they have fizzled
out in the past.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I think Caleb coming into this situation.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Where he's really got to work at it and he
really has to play his absolute best football in order
for them to win a game, I think that's a
good situation for him to build his foundation the future
and the Bear's future on.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, there is, as you well know, there is
a gap between the best coaches and solid coaches. Kevin
O'Connell has literally coached the reckless out of Sam Darnold,
who I think we both probably liked a lot as
a trojan, but he was a wreck. He was like
he could have been, you know, he had some Carson
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Wentz in him that you saw the talent, but a
lot of mistakes. And by the way, Matt Stafford's got
some of that, Andrew luck did. They're both great. What
do you think Kevin O'Connell is doing. Sam's clearly seeing
things better. The reckless is gone. You tell what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think as great as O'Connell's been for him, I
think you need to give a little bit of love
to Shanahan and his experience being in San Francisco and
being in that culture, in that situation. Now, I think
that all you know this, this maturation of Sam started
when he was in San Francisco and in that room, wanting,
chomping at the bit, waiting for his opportunity.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Now he's finally got it.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There were some instances last season where rock perty was injured.
He's coming off the elbow, he had a concussion, and
he was so close to getting on the field. And
now he finally had to wait for so long to
be in the right environment, have the right coach, and
have the right players around him, and you're seeing Sam
Florish currently.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, Tony Gonzalez, the great tight end, once told
me that he just didn't have the personality early in
his career to confront coaches and confront stick. It wasn't
his personality, and Tonio has felt it it could have
cost him five hundred catches. Joe Burrow had a moment
this past week. They're oh and three. There's video of
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Joe basically we're going to have a meeting after the
game with his coach and his defensive coordinator. He's confronting
stuff which I am four you and I said, I
think you and Joe Burrow are great examples of profound
elite talents, but that it proves Brady had. From Ernie
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Adams to Belichick, Mahomes, Andy Reid to the GM, a
great quarterback has a ceiling. And I never felt you
and sometimes with Burrow, I don't feel they have it.
When you were frustrated, Let's say maybe you didn't have
things furnished in Cincinnati. Would you have gone to a
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coach and called him out? Would you have said we
needed to sit down and talk. Did you? Were you
willing to do that?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I was. They just didn't. They just didn't want to
hear it or didn't want to listen to me.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's he's brash,
he's willing to get in those tussles, he's willing to
give opinions. And you know, I think back to the
Super Bowl year and they lost that Super Bowl to
the to the Rams because they couldn't protect him and
they needed to upgrade that offensive line, and they had
his contract looming, and I was really antsy sitting that
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off season watching and what are they gonna do?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Are they gonna are they just happy with going to
the Super Bowl? Are they all in? And that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They went out and saying, like Al Collins, they revamped
that offensive line. They brought in four new guys I
believe to try to protect him. And that was kind
of an opportunity for Joe to look around and go,
I have a contract that's looming. I'm glad to see
they're willing to invest in me and protecting me. Now
a couple of years down the line, now they've got
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two receivers that both want and deserve new contracts, and
it's gonna be really interesting, I think over the next
twenty four months to watch what happens with t Higgins
and Jamar because that's gonna be really weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So I was, I don't want to say a skeptic,
but I watch Brock pretty in college, a little small
it goes to the NFL, and I'm like, I mean,
good Jennings and Deebo and I you can kittle and
I'm Shanahan and I'm thinking, you know, just don't crash
the Mercedes into the driveway like this is just an
easy lift. But you know, I watched him this past
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weekend without all his guys, and he made Joan Jennings
look like Justin Jefferson, and I was just like, I
guess he's it and I didn't see it. Are you
were a number one pick? Are you surprised that he
fooled that many people? Even the Niners passed on him
six times? Are you know Kurt Warner was undrafted, Romo
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was undrafted? You were obvious? You know you watch Josh Allen, Okay,
you know there's certain guys like Peyton manning you but
when he drops to the seventh, why do you think
he did when he's this good as a pro?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, I think you know what you're getting at is
what happens when they have to give him twenty percent
of the salary cap. In a couple of years, you
lose maybe the Christian McCaffrey and Kittle's combination, there's gonna
be some give and take when they have to pay him,
because at that point you maybe don't have I you
can for Warner on that roster because you got to
give that chunk of salary to him. But I think
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you saw it a little bit in Cleveland last year
why he was not drafted in the first couple of
rounds when he went into an inclement weather situation and
the ball was wet and there's a little bit of wind,
and that wind comes off of Lake Erie in Cleveland,
and it just swirls in that stadium and the ball
doesn't quite come up with the same velocity and it's
not hitting your target, and that team and Brock really
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struggled in that game. I think that's just a little
microcosm of why you saw him get drafted late when
you combine losing that those type of.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Players and those caliber are really.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know, a Pro Bowl roster that they have in
San Francisco, and you see him doing some amazing things
with his feet, but you also see him getting beat up.
He got a little banged up this last week. He's
not a big physical guy that can take the pounding
that a Josh Allen can take. But I think you
saw a little bit of that in Cleveland last year
and I'm waiting to watch you know, San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
They play in the NFC West. They don't play in
a lot of bad weather.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Situations until they head to the East Coast, and I
think that's where you're gonna see him struggle a little
bit once that wind picks up, that ball gets wet,
they start playing in a snow environment.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
He's really gonna need Debo healthy.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He's gonna need McCaffrey healthy healthy, because he's shown that
when he gets in those environments he struggles a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, one final question, go back to what you watched.
You know you played against in college, r NFL career,
and what you've watched. Mahomes has the trophy room. I'm
not sure I've ever seen anything and I loved Delway.
I've never quite seen anything like Josh Allen and he
may be imperfect, but there are times I watch him
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and to be a pro athlete, you're obviously the best
in your high school generally the best in your county,
you're often the best in your state. So he is
making professional athletes world class. There are times he looks
like he's a different level than Jordan did this when
you look at somebody that you had the gifts, When
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you look at Josh Allen six six two fifty runs arm,
have you ever seen anybody that just from a gift
standpoint like that, did you play against somebody? Just see
anybody not that I could think of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean his combination of running ability and ability to
throw the ball in the pocket. There's been a lot
of quarterbacks that have been able to get outside the
pocket and make place in their legs and run through
tackles and have you know, consistent you know, fifty eighty
one hundred yard rushing games. But to be able to
throw the ball accurately in the pocket and do that,
that's a rare combination. I mean, I Mahomes, you mentioned Mahomes.
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Mahomes does the same thing. Not as physical, that's when
he runs with the football, but he can beat you.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
With his legs outside the pocket. We've seen him do
it in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
We've seen him do it in the regular season and
inside the pocket, those two guys are playing just at
a different level than everybody else around him. That's why
there's such a stark difference and the quarterback play between
Kansas City and Buffalo and really everybody else in the
league right now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Hey, by the way, Michael Pennix is not playing. I'm
okay with it. I like Kirk Cousins, when you were
sitting behind Kittna, You're a better player, You're bigger, stronger,
you ever, Yeah, any bitterness, like, how did you handle
that whole thing? How did it feel to you? Because
you weren't talking about it. No.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I mean, I think Pennix on drafting knew the situation
as soon as he picked up the phone from Atlanta
what he was going into. He knew Kirk had just
signed a big deal there, so you know, he wasn't
going into a situation. And then you know they slide
the route the rug out from underneath you and tell you, oh,
by the way, we're signing a perennial pro bowler.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So I think going into that situation.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Going to that that staff, that ownership group, the success
that Atlanta has had, I think he was fired up
about it. I mean, there's not a better locker room
leader and just all around teammate than Kirk Cousins. Everywhere
Kirk spent everybody loves him. That that is unanimous. You
go in any locker room that Kurt's been in, guys
love him. So you know he's he's you know, he's
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not there to coach, He's not there to to bring
this young guy along. But this young guy is there
to watch this old guy do it and watch him train,
and watch him watch film, and watch him lead team meetings,
watch him break to the hub. You know, there's so
much he can absorb, so much he can learn. Being
in a new system, being in a new offense. Well,
Kirk's also in that same situation. This is a new offense,
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so he's getting to really watch Kurt in real time
figure this out, figure out new receivers, new tight ends,
new offensive line calls and line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And this is a this is a fabulous situation.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know Pinnix wants to play and he probably has
the ability to be the starter and a number of
teams tonight. But when you look at the flip side
of it, and you look at what this can do
for his career and how this sets him up. He's
learning how to be a pro from one of the best.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, Mahomes had it with Alex Smith. You're learning
from a real pro. Hey Man, good seeing you as always.
Jordan comes on regularly. Carson, I always a pre shape
this couple times a year, giving us time. You're a
busy guy and thanks again. You bet Carson Palmer a
number one pick the Heisman winner at USC.
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
Here's Jmack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
We haven't spent a lot of time about talking about
the Atlanta Falcons Colin. They've had some offensive inconsistency in
the first three games. They're one and two. You could
argue they should have beat the Chiefs, but despite this
low start, Matt Ryan was asked on Twitter how he
feels about Atlanta so far and said, I'm bullish on
the Falcons. I think they are facing the gauntlet of
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the schedule early in the season. I believe the offense
OC are only going to get better as the year
goes on. No reason to panic. NFC South is wide open.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I totally agree with this. Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I like it?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
What what was that glib response? I don't know, man,
what to say it?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
So, all of a sudden, Kirk Cousins is gonna be
fine with this offensive line falling apart.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But they're dinged up.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I mean a lot of people around the league are
dinged up. Forty nine ers are they're goeing too.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now, an interesting game this week that we didn't think
much before the season started. But the Saints play the Falcons.
They do so it kind of feels like, well, the
Saints offensive.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Line is beat up too from that Eagles game.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, so the Falcons are the winner of this game.
I mean, this is a real this is they're both
stinged up. Nobody's got a physical advantage. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
This is probably a stay away from me? Sorry, It's
just it feels like that Spider Man. Mean, these are
the two same teams, Like, what's going on here? I
do want to ask, how the heck? So the Falcon's
got cow pits in the top ten in the draft.
He has been a huge disappointment he's a one to
fifty yard catch. It's going to Ray Ray McCloud. No, no, no,
he's is it Mooney the other guy? Yeah, he's This
is my interpretation. He's not a real physical player, and
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so he doesn't block. And if you don't block, NFL
coaches they hold it against you. Yeah, I mean that's
how George Kittle goes in the fifth round. And in
camp you're like, yeah, he could block Tony Gonzalez, block
Shannon Sharp, block the great Antonio Gates. You got to
you got to make an AF for Kyle Pitts as
sort of a slender, he'd almost be like a slower
receiver on the outside.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But they have Drake London. That's my interpretation. He's just
kind of a finesse player.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It's just weird. There's no rhyme or reason to the offense.
And next thing you look up and like Ray Ray
McCloud has five targets and Kyle Pitts has won, and
you're like, is that is that the game plan? Like?
And it's not really working. I mean, they couldn't do
anything against pittsman.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Now you've you've.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't. I just don't get with their offense, like,
what is their offensive philosophy? What do they want to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Be A fair question. I think they have a very
good running back. I think they should be like Detroit,
an immobile quarterback, run first throw on playoff, playoff. I
think I think they're a poor man's Detroit Lions, excellent
O line quarterback that doesn't move, but accurate, nice pieces
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on the outside.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
That they don't have Amarah and they don't have Laporta.
Pitts is not Laporta.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm sorry Laporta's they're they're banging, but I'm you're right,
they don't.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
But I like your strategy. That's what they should be.
But then I watched them and it feels like there's
a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I don't have a lean on this game at all.
It's just too many injuries, you know. Next up, Colin
Oh Raiders. Okay, this is fun. Andy Dalton smoked the
Raiders in Vegas. Afterward, Antonio Pierce called out some of
his players for business decisions. A lot of people thought
it was Devonte Adams. Remember he threw up his hands frustrated. Well,
DeVante Adams has shined in Here's what he has to say.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I think at the end of the day, you look
at the drives that we had at the you know,
at the end of that game, and we didn't really
have much to play for in the Pride, and there
was some guys out there that, you know, they were
kind of just trying to see the other days. Multiple
times throughout the the three hours we were out there
where people were maybe not you know, putting an extra
hit on somebody, not you know, putting that extra block
or not straight in a little bit more just so
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that we can have it looked away from one to
two on tape.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's that's fair, just guys. I mean, Antonio Pears was
a physical player and he saw some of his guys
not not putting their shoulder into it.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
How one of our producers had a good question, this
is a Brown's Raiders matchup this weekend. Which quarterback situation
do you prefer Deshaun Watson in Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Minshew, because I can get out of his contract, Minshew
and aide O'Connell with the Raiders. I would take the
Raiders quarterback situation over the Browns in a heartbeat, Minshew
is Minsh. Somebody said this, I forget who it was.
I apologize for not giving you credit. Minshee as a
football player is like Deshaun Watson without like the stardom.
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You know, there's a sense to Deshaun's a star. If
you look at them play, they're both mobile, they're both
decent from the pocket, not great. Deshaun's obviously got personal issues.
But the difference is Minshee is always viewed one way
and DeShawn is viewed as a star. If you take
out how they're viewed and you put them out there
and you had one drive to win the game, who
would you take. I think it's much closer than you think.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Maybe right now.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
One is viewed as it's look at how he's paid.
One is viewed as a star. He was a star,
he's not. By the way, Minshee was seven and six
as a starter last year in Indie.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Minshew is just one of those guys that I'm not
saying it's unfair, but sometimes people are viewed in lots
of industries as a star, but the production you're like,
they're not.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Everybody says they're a star, but they're not.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I view Watson as almost like a Tesla stock. You
buy it, You're like, I got Tesla stock.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And it continues to.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Fall, and so you don't want to sell because it's Tesla.
It's a cool stock. But it keeps falling and falling.
And Watson stock, Colin, it is this rock by Can
it get worse? He's arguably the worst quarterback in the
league through three weeks. That's how bad he's been. Get worse.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'll ask you right now, minute fifty one, drive Minshew
or Deshaun Watson. I think I would take Gardner Minshew.
I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Minshew has better weapons and Bowers.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Guy same weapons. Who you taking? I think Minshew's more accurate.
I'm not going I think Minsch right Minshew right now,
right now, I take him. I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Watson just looks slow and I a no confidence none.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
We'll wrap up with the w NBA story, Colin, because
Caitlin Clark they made. She made her playoff debut Sunday.
They got blasted, but they play again tonight. But this
is the real story, Colin, Are you ready for this?
Caitlin Clark's game on Sunday against the Connecticut Sun in
the middle of the NFL slate drew one point eight
four million viewers the highest rated w NBA playoff games
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in two thousand. Okay, I asked the staff. I'm like, oh,
how did the other games do? They must be everybody's
talking about WNBA raidings drop up four hundred and sixty
thousand for Storm, aces four hundred and ten thousand for Liberty.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
She's basically four and a half times the rating surge.
She's going up against the NFL and drop one four
So Colin and by the way they put our games
on up against the NFL, they didn't get her in
the shooting contest. Don good enough for the Olympic team.
She's one of the seven best players in the league now.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And WNBA fans are not gonna like this. But are
we gonna see some ref interaction here?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
We need to keep the Kaitlin Clark Drayton going. Caitlin
Clark better win tonight. Honestly, we've never talked WNBA on
the show ever.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Right before, I'll be honest with you, if you would
have asked me before this season seven players, I could
give you about four.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Maybe it's just not on our radar, right, it doesn't
do numbers. Now Kitlin Clark's doing numbers. But if she's out,
is this the las time we talked to WNBA until
next season?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Just being real and honest, and let's be real. There's
a lot of people in the media that you know,
they protect the WNBA. The WNBA was not prepared for this.
I said, It's like Pearl. It was like, you know,
it's a hot band and Ticketmaster can't get the tickets right.
They're not ready for it. You're like, they're not prepared
for Taylor Swift's era to her. Yeah, like you've seen
that before. Like ticket brokers are like, we just we
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just can't handle stores do this. They get a new
iPhone and they can't handle it. They don't have The
league was not prepared for this, and they didn't act
very swiftly. I'd said. When the All Star Game came around,
I said, hey, she should be in the All Star
Game too. You pay her whatever it costs to get
her in the three point shooting contest. I don't care
what it is. You go to your top sponsor, you
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go to your bank, you go to the NBA, you
pay her five million bucks private gold Stream there and back.
You get her in that shooting contest. You just do it.
I don't care what it costs. She says, you was tired.
I was tired this morning. Guys had some neurogum and
I did the show.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, Clark and game one four of seventeen shooting first
career playoff game. Come on, it's irrelevant. I just hope
they win tonight. I'll try to watch, you know, I'll
watch show for my kids around ball wall leave story tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
If she wins, right, you're not can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
If they lose, well, okay, there's a Cowboys lose. It's
a better story. It's fair. I don't like to root.
I am rooting for Aaron Rodgers to be healthy and viable.
I try to stay out of stuff, but I will
be honest. The Cowboys lost to the Giants. Friday Show
will be a hot fire. Let me be a banger.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It was the kid say, Friday Show will be lit.
I am, and I'm not here rooting for anybody. But
if there's if there's there's an occasional team like we want.
I like the chaos, like that Rams Niners game Monday.
I thought about it till yesterday, Like it was I like,
all this chaos, cowboys losing, You're gonna have I mean
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you got yeah, get out the life preservers man, this
thing is sinking. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Man. That gum's wearing off. I'm gonna try to finish
her off next to Herd.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
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Speaker 5 (22:21):
We got a huge day of football on Fox. At
one eastern, Jalen Hurts leaves the Eagles against Baker Mayfield
in the Bucks. At four, the Patriots take on Brock
Purdy and the Niners. Check for the game in your
area only on Fox and the Fox.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Sports Rams and Bears. J Mack up to three. I
think I'll take McVeigh and Stafford plus a field goal.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I have the kids college tuition on the Bears at
two to two and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, so it's a it's coach quarterback League. It's the
coach quarterback League.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Sink er swim baby. I'm gonna lose it or I'm
gonna have had a nice victory for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Rams have their tackles back. So Danny Park, who was
in Chicago for years at the Score in Chicago top
talk show host, I said, I'm watching Jade and Daniels Monday,
like literally impeccable. And then I'm watching Caleb Williams. And
do we have a CJ. Stroud number two pick better
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than number one pick Bryce Young situation? Now, I think
I think Caleb's better than Bryce Young by a long shot.
I just more powerful athlete, better arm. But I asked,
I asked Danny, I said, do you have any reservations
about Caleb Williams. The gap between him and Jaden Daniels
is growing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It already has gotten better for Caleb.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I mean in Game one, he didn't even throw for
one hundred yards, and then in game two on Sunday
Night football, you know, it's one hundred and seventy something
yards and he rushes for forty four and he makes
more plays from the pocket and they're down a score
late in the fourth quarter against the Texans.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's three games.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Washington fans have seen RG three look amazing as a rookie,
and then not Mitch Trubisky had a six touchdown game.
So let's just let's just pump the brakes here. Caleb
Williams is gonna be fine. I have no buyer's remorse yet. No, okay,
do you.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Have any I think he's gonna be fine. I just
don't know if this staff is equipped to take him
to the We said this before the draft that all
these young quarterbacks most come in and they kind of
get out of the fairway and you need the coach
or the coordinator to get get them back on the fairway. Now,
Jayden Daniels inherits, you know, Cliff Kingsbury, so he hadn't
(24:37):
gotten very No, he's kept it out of the rough.
Bo Nicks although limited, I think somewhat limited as a
big arm guy, is I. I can just tell you
that Sean Payton thinks this is like step two of
ten that he's gonna keep building.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Well, just as a heads up. Sometimes it's one step forward,
two steps back. And now he goes up against the
New York Jets on the road, back to back road games.
I know Denver stay in East. It's a tough spot
for the young quarterback against solid das. Okay, so we
showed video earlier. I liked that our staff found no
the Joe Burrow video, So if we can run that again.
(25:14):
So Joe Burrow did not go to the locker room,
took the helmet off, and there's video of him after
that game. I don't know if confronting, but having a
very serious conversation with the coach and the defensive coordinator
and asked, I asked Carson Palmer about fifteen twenty minutes
(25:35):
ago about that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Would you have done that? What do you make of that?
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's brash, he's
willing to get in those tussles, he's willing to give opinions.
And you know, I think back to the Super Bowl
year and they lost that Super Bowl to the to
the Rams because they couldn't protect him and they needed
to upgrade that offensive line, and they had his contract looming,
and I was really he's sitting that off season watching
(26:02):
They brought in four new guys I believe to try
to protect him, and that was kind of an opportunity
for Joe to look around and go, I have a
contract that's loomy. I'm glad to see they're willing to
invest in me and protecting me, and it's gonna be
really interesting. I think over the next twenty four months
to watch what happens with t Higgins and Jamar because
(26:23):
that's gonna be really weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, it's San Francisco was noisy in the off season
with a holdout. Dallas was noisy in the off season.
Ceed wanted his money, Cincinnati was noisy. Three holdout teams
all struggling, and Mike Tomlin with his quarterback issue a
greater position. Mike's like, we'll see what happens. I'm not
(26:49):
gonna worry about it. I'm not gonna tell you who
quarterback one is. That's the value of the Steelers and
the Packers, and they just don't fire coaches. I mean
they had to eventually let goal of Mike McCarthy. Aaron
won that. But you know Pittsburgh, they empower the coach,
and the Miami Heat empowered the coach, and the Spurs
empower the coach. You'll have dips, especially in the NBA
(27:11):
if you have a dunk and retire. But San Antonio
now has Wimby and Papovich is going to have a
nice runway for about six years.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
You mentioned Pittsburgh undefeated, so you see a little symmetry
between Minnesota and Pittsburgh. What's their quarterback situation. They got
guys kind of sort of off the scrap heap on
the cheap. You know what you can do when you
have a cheap quarterback, build a hell of a roster.
Pittsburgh has a damn good defensive roster. We'll see how
long this lasts, but it is interesting that two three
(27:39):
and oh teams both don't have franchise quarterbacks you know
that are making all the money.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Think about this with Tomlin, Levy and Bell got chirpy
out Ab chirpy out Chase Claypool chirpy traded him that
just that this is not the NBA. And nobody proves
it more than the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're back in their coach.
I mean, listen, pat Riley chose Spolster over Lebron. Okay,
(28:06):
and Lebron was still he was darn close to his prime, No,
he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It just doesn't appen very often in pro sports that
you're just like, we're gonna go with a coach. But
it does pay off. The heat and the spurs between
the two have eight titles and as great as the
Celtics franchise is they have won in how many years?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You want to drag Dack into it?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Remember we do now Celtics have two.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Now we were pretty said fast, you don't pay Dak
sixty mili.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Cowboys did, and their roster looks limited.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They're hurtling toward disaster. This could unravel quickly and then
you're stuck with a sixty million dollars quarterback. How attractive
is the Dallas coaching job. I'll tell you a job
that I think it's actually attractive. I think Pittsburgh has
I've said this before. I think Pittsburgh has a top
five to six roster.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Job's not open. I'm saying no, no, I'm not saying for
the head coach a quarterback. Every year. We have a
free agent quarterback every single year we have one. That
Pittsburgh thing. I mean they can get rid of both quarterbacks.
They've got a star receiver, they have invested draft capital
in the old line. I like their backs, best pass
rusher maybe in the sport great culture, don't fire coaches.
(29:17):
Arthur Smith is a more than capable offensive coordinator. It's
a very interesting We're talking about Russell and Justin maybe
you keep them. But if I was a free agent quarterback,
I think Russell saw what is obvious, no chaos, strong coach.
I think Pittsburgh. I mean, I didn't think they'd be
good this year. But the roster, the rosterstrong
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Bengals, Raiders, Cardinals fifteen years three pro Balls. Carson Palmer
always understood what it was like to have to deal
with a bit of dysfunction, not always the world's greatest support.
And as we've seen Carson, these young quarterbacks. Bo Nicks
gets Sean Payton. That to me's an advantage. Jaden Daniels
(00:48):
gets Cliff Kingsbury. I think Cliff's a very sharp guy.
He's had mobile. I think that's an advantage. I watch
Caleb and I think, man, this is a this is
a off sled. Right. You sat behind John Kittnef. I
recall the first year Central Washington. I remember that. Do
you think you could make an argument they probably should
(01:10):
have said him maybe to Thanksgiving Caleb? Or is he
so talented which you were just put him out there? No?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think the best thing for Caleb to do is play.
He needs the experience, he needs these reps, and you know, unfortunately,
to be a good quarterback, you really need to go
through some adversity. You need to come in and have
struggles to really appreciate the peaks that you get to
get to. You got to understand those valleys and those lows,
and they'll make him a better quarterback. They'll make him
(01:40):
work harder, they'll make him want it more. A lot
of times when you see young guys coming in the
league and have a ton of success, they have fizzled
out in the past.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I think Caleb coming into this situation.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Where he's really got to work at it and he
really has to play his absolute best football in order
for them to win a game, I think that's a
good situation for him to build his foundation the future
and the Bear's future on.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You know, there is, as you well know, there is
a gap between the best coaches and solid coaches. Kevin
O'Connell has literally coached the reckless out of Sam Darnold,
who I think we both probably liked a lot as
a trojan, but he was a wreck. He was like
he could have been, you know, he had some Carson
(02:26):
Wentz in him that you saw the talent, but a
lot of mistakes. And by the way, Matt Stafford's got
some of that, Andrew luck did. They're both great. What
do you think Kevin O'Connell is doing. Sam's clearly seeing
things better. The reckless is gone. You tell what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think as great as O'Connell's been for him, I
think you need to give a little bit of love
to Shanahan and his experience being in San Francisco and
being in that culture, in that situation. Now, I think
that all you know this, this maturation of Sam started
when he was in San Francisco and in that room, wanting,
chomping at the bit, waiting for his opportunity.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Now he's finally got it.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There were some instances last season where rock perty was injured.
He's coming off the elbow, he had a concussion, and
he was so close to getting on the field. And
now he finally had to wait for so long to
be in the right environment, have the right coach, and
have the right players around him, and you're seeing Sam
Florish currently.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, Tony Gonzalez, the great tight end, once told
me that he just didn't have the personality early in
his career to confront coaches and confront stick. It wasn't
his personality, and Tonio has felt it it could have
cost him five hundred catches. Joe Burrow had a moment
this past week. They're oh and three. There's video of
(03:48):
Joe basically we're going to have a meeting after the
game with his coach and his defensive coordinator. He's confronting
stuff which I am four you and I said, I
think you and Joe Burrow are great examples of profound
elite talents, but that it proves Brady had. From Ernie
(04:09):
Adams to Belichick, Mahomes, Andy Reid to the GM, a
great quarterback has a ceiling. And I never felt you
and sometimes with Burrow, I don't feel they have it.
When you were frustrated, Let's say maybe you didn't have
things furnished in Cincinnati. Would you have gone to a
(04:29):
coach and called him out? Would you have said we
needed to sit down and talk. Did you? Were you
willing to do that?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I was. They just didn't. They just didn't want to
hear it or didn't want to listen to me.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's he's brash,
he's willing to get in those tussles, he's willing to
give opinions. And you know, I think back to the
Super Bowl year and they lost that Super Bowl to
the to the Rams because they couldn't protect him and
they needed to upgrade that offensive line, and they had
his contract looming, and I was really antsy sitting that
(05:03):
off season watching and what are they gonna do?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Are they gonna are they just happy with going to
the Super Bowl? Are they all in? And that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
They went out and saying, like Al Collins, they revamped
that offensive line. They brought in four new guys I
believe to try to protect him. And that was kind
of an opportunity for Joe to look around and go,
I have a contract that's looming. I'm glad to see
they're willing to invest in me and protecting me. Now
a couple of years down the line, now they've got
(05:31):
two receivers that both want and deserve new contracts, and
it's gonna be really interesting, I think over the next
twenty four months to watch what happens with t Higgins
and Jamar because that's gonna be really weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So I was, I don't want to say a skeptic,
but I watch Brock pretty in college, a little small
it goes to the NFL, and I'm like, I mean,
good Jennings and Deebo and I you can kittle and
I'm Shanahan and I'm thinking, you know, just don't crash
the Mercedes into the driveway like this is just an
easy lift. But you know, I watched him this past
(06:06):
weekend without all his guys, and he made Joan Jennings
look like Justin Jefferson, and I was just like, I
guess he's it and I didn't see it. Are you
were a number one pick? Are you surprised that he
fooled that many people? Even the Niners passed on him
six times? Are you know Kurt Warner was undrafted, Romo
(06:26):
was undrafted? You were obvious? You know you watch Josh Allen, Okay,
you know there's certain guys like Peyton manning you but
when he drops to the seventh, why do you think
he did when he's this good as a pro?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, I think you know what you're getting at is
what happens when they have to give him twenty percent
of the salary cap. In a couple of years, you
lose maybe the Christian McCaffrey and Kittle's combination, there's gonna
be some give and take when they have to pay him,
because at that point you maybe don't have I you
can for Warner on that roster because you got to
give that chunk of salary to him. But I think
(07:05):
you saw it a little bit in Cleveland last year
why he was not drafted in the first couple of
rounds when he went into an inclement weather situation and
the ball was wet and there's a little bit of wind,
and that wind comes off of Lake Erie in Cleveland,
and it just swirls in that stadium and the ball
doesn't quite come up with the same velocity and it's
not hitting your target, and that team and Brock really
(07:26):
struggled in that game. I think that's just a little
microcosm of why you saw him get drafted late when
you combine losing that those type of.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Players and those caliber are really.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know, a Pro Bowl roster that they have in
San Francisco, and you see him doing some amazing things
with his feet, but you also see him getting beat up.
He got a little banged up this last week. He's
not a big physical guy that can take the pounding
that a Josh Allen can take. But I think you
saw a little bit of that in Cleveland last year
and I'm waiting to watch you know, San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
They play in the NFC West. They don't play in
a lot of bad weather.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Situations until they head to the East Coast, and I
think that's where you're gonna see him struggle a little
bit once that wind picks up, that ball gets wet,
they start playing in a snow environment.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
He's really gonna need Debo healthy.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He's gonna need McCaffrey healthy healthy, because he's shown that
when he gets in those environments he struggles a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, one final question, go back to what you watched.
You know you played against in college, r NFL career,
and what you've watched. Mahomes has the trophy room. I'm
not sure I've ever seen anything and I loved Delway.
I've never quite seen anything like Josh Allen and he
may be imperfect, but there are times I watch him
(08:44):
and to be a pro athlete, you're obviously the best
in your high school generally the best in your county,
you're often the best in your state. So he is
making professional athletes world class. There are times he looks
like he's a different level than Jordan did this when
you look at somebody that you had the gifts, When
(09:06):
you look at Josh Allen six six two fifty runs arm,
have you ever seen anybody that just from a gift
standpoint like that, did you play against somebody? Just see
anybody not that I could think of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean his combination of running ability and ability to
throw the ball in the pocket. There's been a lot
of quarterbacks that have been able to get outside the
pocket and make place in their legs and run through
tackles and have you know, consistent you know, fifty eighty
one hundred yard rushing games. But to be able to
throw the ball accurately in the pocket and do that,
that's a rare combination. I mean, I Mahomes, you mentioned Mahomes.
(09:42):
Mahomes does the same thing. Not as physical, that's when
he runs with the football, but he can beat you.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
With his legs outside the pocket. We've seen him do
it in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
We've seen him do it in the regular season and
inside the pocket, those two guys are playing just at
a different level than everybody else around him. That's why
there's such a stark difference and the quarterback play between
Kansas City and Buffalo and really everybody else in the
league right now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Hey, by the way, Michael Pennix is not playing. I'm
okay with it. I like Kirk Cousins, when you were
sitting behind Kittna, You're a better player, You're bigger, stronger,
you ever, Yeah, any bitterness, like, how did you handle
that whole thing? How did it feel to you? Because
you weren't talking about it. No.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I mean, I think Pennix on drafting knew the situation
as soon as he picked up the phone from Atlanta
what he was going into. He knew Kirk had just
signed a big deal there, so you know, he wasn't
going into a situation. And then you know they slide
the route the rug out from underneath you and tell you, oh,
by the way, we're signing a perennial pro bowler.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So I think going into that situation.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Going to that that staff, that ownership group, the success
that Atlanta has had, I think he was fired up
about it. I mean, there's not a better locker room
leader and just all around teammate than Kirk Cousins. Everywhere
Kirk spent everybody loves him. That that is unanimous. You
go in any locker room that Kurt's been in, guys
love him. So you know he's he's you know, he's
(11:05):
not there to coach, He's not there to to bring
this young guy along. But this young guy is there
to watch this old guy do it and watch him train,
and watch him watch film, and watch him lead team meetings,
watch him break to the hub. You know, there's so
much he can absorb, so much he can learn. Being
in a new system, being in a new offense. Well,
Kirk's also in that same situation. This is a new offense,
(11:26):
so he's getting to really watch Kurt in real time
figure this out, figure out new receivers, new tight ends,
new offensive line calls and line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And this is a this is a fabulous situation.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I know Pinnix wants to play and he probably has
the ability to be the starter and a number of
teams tonight. But when you look at the flip side
of it, and you look at what this can do
for his career and how this sets him up. He's
learning how to be a pro from one of the best.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, Mahomes had it with Alex Smith. You're learning
from a real pro. Hey Man, good seeing you as always.
Jordan comes on regularly. Carson, I always a pre shape
this couple times a year, giving us time. You're a
busy guy and thanks again. You bet Carson Palmer a
number one pick the Heisman winner at USC.
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Speaker 5 (12:26):
We haven't spent a lot of time about talking about
the Atlanta Falcons Colin. They've had some offensive inconsistency in
the first three games. They're one and two. You could
argue they should have beat the Chiefs, but despite this
low start, Matt Ryan was asked on Twitter how he
feels about Atlanta so far and said, I'm bullish on
the Falcons. I think they are facing the gauntlet of
(12:48):
the schedule early in the season. I believe the offense
OC are only going to get better as the year
goes on. No reason to panic. NFC South is wide open.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I totally agree with this. Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I like it?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
What what was that glib response? I don't know, man,
what to say it?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
So, all of a sudden, Kirk Cousins is gonna be
fine with this offensive line falling apart.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But they're dinged up.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I mean a lot of people around the league are
dinged up. Forty nine ers are they're goeing too.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now, an interesting game this week that we didn't think
much before the season started. But the Saints play the Falcons.
They do so it kind of feels like, well, the
Saints offensive.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Line is beat up too from that Eagles game.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, so the Falcons are the winner of this game.
I mean, this is a real this is they're both
stinged up. Nobody's got a physical advantage. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
This is probably a stay away from me? Sorry, It's
just it feels like that Spider Man. Mean, these are
the two same teams, Like, what's going on here? I
do want to ask, how the heck? So the Falcon's
got cow pits in the top ten in the draft.
He has been a huge disappointment he's a one to
fifty yard catch. It's going to Ray Ray McCloud. No, no, no,
he's is it Mooney the other guy? Yeah, he's This
is my interpretation. He's not a real physical player, and
(14:05):
so he doesn't block. And if you don't block, NFL
coaches they hold it against you. Yeah, I mean that's
how George Kittle goes in the fifth round. And in
camp you're like, yeah, he could block Tony Gonzalez, block
Shannon Sharp, block the great Antonio Gates. You got to
you got to make an AF for Kyle Pitts as
sort of a slender, he'd almost be like a slower
receiver on the outside.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But they have Drake London. That's my interpretation. He's just
kind of a finesse player.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It's just weird. There's no rhyme or reason to the offense.
And next thing you look up and like Ray Ray
McCloud has five targets and Kyle Pitts has won, and
you're like, is that is that the game plan? Like?
And it's not really working. I mean, they couldn't do
anything against pittsman.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Now you've you've.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't. I just don't get with their offense, like,
what is their offensive philosophy? What do they want to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Be A fair question. I think they have a very
good running back. I think they should be like Detroit,
an immobile quarterback, run first throw on playoff, playoff. I
think I think they're a poor man's Detroit Lions, excellent
O line quarterback that doesn't move, but accurate, nice pieces
(15:11):
on the outside.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
That they don't have Amarah and they don't have Laporta.
Pitts is not Laporta.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm sorry Laporta's they're they're banging, but I'm you're right,
they don't.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
But I like your strategy. That's what they should be.
But then I watched them and it feels like there's
a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I don't have a lean on this game at all.
It's just too many injuries, you know. Next up, Colin
Oh Raiders. Okay, this is fun. Andy Dalton smoked the
Raiders in Vegas. Afterward, Antonio Pierce called out some of
his players for business decisions. A lot of people thought
it was Devonte Adams. Remember he threw up his hands frustrated. Well,
DeVante Adams has shined in Here's what he has to say.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I think at the end of the day, you look
at the drives that we had at the you know,
at the end of that game, and we didn't really
have much to play for in the Pride, and there
was some guys out there that, you know, they were
kind of just trying to see the other days. Multiple
times throughout the the three hours we were out there
where people were maybe not you know, putting an extra
hit on somebody, not you know, putting that extra block
or not straight in a little bit more just so
(16:11):
that we can have it looked away from one to
two on tape.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's that's fair, just guys. I mean, Antonio Pears was
a physical player and he saw some of his guys
not not putting their shoulder into it.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
How one of our producers had a good question, this
is a Brown's Raiders matchup this weekend. Which quarterback situation
do you prefer Deshaun Watson in Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Minshew, because I can get out of his contract, Minshew
and aide O'Connell with the Raiders. I would take the
Raiders quarterback situation over the Browns in a heartbeat, Minshew
is Minsh. Somebody said this, I forget who it was.
I apologize for not giving you credit. Minshee as a
football player is like Deshaun Watson without like the stardom.
(16:59):
You know, there's a sense to Deshaun's a star. If
you look at them play, they're both mobile, they're both
decent from the pocket, not great. Deshaun's obviously got personal issues.
But the difference is Minshee is always viewed one way
and DeShawn is viewed as a star. If you take
out how they're viewed and you put them out there
and you had one drive to win the game, who
would you take. I think it's much closer than you think.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Maybe right now.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
One is viewed as it's look at how he's paid.
One is viewed as a star. He was a star,
he's not. By the way, Minshee was seven and six
as a starter last year in Indie.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Minshew is just one of those guys that I'm not
saying it's unfair, but sometimes people are viewed in lots
of industries as a star, but the production you're like,
they're not.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Everybody says they're a star, but they're not.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I view Watson as almost like a Tesla stock. You
buy it, You're like, I got Tesla stock.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And it continues to.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Fall, and so you don't want to sell because it's Tesla.
It's a cool stock. But it keeps falling and falling.
And Watson stock, Colin, it is this rock by Can
it get worse? He's arguably the worst quarterback in the
league through three weeks. That's how bad he's been. Get worse.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'll ask you right now, minute fifty one, drive Minshew
or Deshaun Watson. I think I would take Gardner Minshew.
I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Minshew has better weapons and Bowers.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Guy same weapons. Who you taking? I think Minshew's more accurate.
I'm not going I think Minsch right Minshew right now,
right now, I take him. I'm not joking.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Watson just looks slow and I a no confidence none.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
We'll wrap up with the w NBA story, Colin, because
Caitlin Clark they made. She made her playoff debut Sunday.
They got blasted, but they play again tonight. But this
is the real story, Colin, Are you ready for this?
Caitlin Clark's game on Sunday against the Connecticut Sun in
the middle of the NFL slate drew one point eight
four million viewers the highest rated w NBA playoff games
(18:59):
in two thousand. Okay, I asked the staff. I'm like, oh,
how did the other games do? They must be everybody's
talking about WNBA raidings drop up four hundred and sixty
thousand for Storm, aces four hundred and ten thousand for Liberty.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
She's basically four and a half times the rating surge.
She's going up against the NFL and drop one four
So Colin and by the way they put our games
on up against the NFL, they didn't get her in
the shooting contest. Don good enough for the Olympic team.
She's one of the seven best players in the league now.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And WNBA fans are not gonna like this. But are
we gonna see some ref interaction here?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
We need to keep the Kaitlin Clark Drayton going. Caitlin
Clark better win tonight. Honestly, we've never talked WNBA on
the show ever.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Right before, I'll be honest with you, if you would
have asked me before this season seven players, I could
give you about four.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Maybe it's just not on our radar, right, it doesn't
do numbers. Now Kitlin Clark's doing numbers. But if she's out,
is this the las time we talked to WNBA until
next season?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Just being real and honest, and let's be real. There's
a lot of people in the media that you know,
they protect the WNBA. The WNBA was not prepared for this.
I said, It's like Pearl. It was like, you know,
it's a hot band and Ticketmaster can't get the tickets right.
They're not ready for it. You're like, they're not prepared
for Taylor Swift's era to her. Yeah, like you've seen
that before. Like ticket brokers are like, we just we
(20:24):
just can't handle stores do this. They get a new
iPhone and they can't handle it. They don't have The
league was not prepared for this, and they didn't act
very swiftly. I'd said. When the All Star Game came around,
I said, hey, she should be in the All Star
Game too. You pay her whatever it costs to get
her in the three point shooting contest. I don't care
what it is. You go to your top sponsor, you
(20:44):
go to your bank, you go to the NBA, you
pay her five million bucks private gold Stream there and back.
You get her in that shooting contest. You just do it.
I don't care what it costs. She says, you was tired.
I was tired this morning. Guys had some neurogum and
I did the show.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, Clark and game one four of seventeen shooting first
career playoff game. Come on, it's irrelevant. I just hope
they win tonight. I'll try to watch, you know, I'll
watch show for my kids around ball wall leave story tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
If she wins, right, you're not can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
If they lose, well, okay, there's a Cowboys lose. It's
a better story. It's fair. I don't like to root.
I am rooting for Aaron Rodgers to be healthy and viable.
I try to stay out of stuff, but I will
be honest. The Cowboys lost to the Giants. Friday Show
will be a hot fire. Let me be a banger.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It was the kid say, Friday Show will be lit.
I am, and I'm not here rooting for anybody. But
if there's if there's there's an occasional team like we want.
I like the chaos, like that Rams Niners game Monday.
I thought about it till yesterday, Like it was I like,
all this chaos, cowboys losing, You're gonna have I mean
(21:59):
you got yeah, get out the life preservers man, this
thing is sinking. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Man. That gum's wearing off. I'm gonna try to finish
her off next to Herd.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
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Speaker 5 (22:21):
We got a huge day of football on Fox. At
one eastern, Jalen Hurts leaves the Eagles against Baker Mayfield
in the Bucks. At four, the Patriots take on Brock
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
Sports Rams and Bears. J Mack up to three. I
think I'll take McVeigh and Stafford plus a field goal.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I have the kids college tuition on the Bears at
two to two and a half.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, so it's a it's coach quarterback League. It's the
coach quarterback League.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Sink er swim baby. I'm gonna lose it or I'm
gonna have had a nice victory for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Rams have their tackles back. So Danny Park, who was
in Chicago for years at the Score in Chicago top
talk show host, I said, I'm watching Jade and Daniels Monday,
like literally impeccable. And then I'm watching Caleb Williams. And
do we have a CJ. Stroud number two pick better
(23:18):
than number one pick Bryce Young situation? Now, I think
I think Caleb's better than Bryce Young by a long shot.
I just more powerful athlete, better arm. But I asked,
I asked Danny, I said, do you have any reservations
about Caleb Williams. The gap between him and Jaden Daniels
is growing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It already has gotten better for Caleb.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I mean in Game one, he didn't even throw for
one hundred yards, and then in game two on Sunday
Night football, you know, it's one hundred and seventy something
yards and he rushes for forty four and he makes
more plays from the pocket and they're down a score
late in the fourth quarter against the Texans.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's three games.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Washington fans have seen RG three look amazing as a rookie,
and then not Mitch Trubisky had a six touchdown game.
So let's just let's just pump the brakes here. Caleb
Williams is gonna be fine. I have no buyer's remorse yet. No, okay,
do you.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Have any I think he's gonna be fine. I just
don't know if this staff is equipped to take him
to the We said this before the draft that all
these young quarterbacks most come in and they kind of
get out of the fairway and you need the coach
or the coordinator to get get them back on the fairway. Now,
Jayden Daniels inherits, you know, Cliff Kingsbury, so he hadn't
(24:37):
gotten very No, he's kept it out of the rough.
Bo Nicks although limited, I think somewhat limited as a
big arm guy, is I. I can just tell you
that Sean Payton thinks this is like step two of
ten that he's gonna keep building.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Well, just as a heads up. Sometimes it's one step forward,
two steps back. And now he goes up against the
New York Jets on the road, back to back road games.
I know Denver stay in East. It's a tough spot
for the young quarterback against solid das. Okay, so we
showed video earlier. I liked that our staff found no
the Joe Burrow video, So if we can run that again.
(25:14):
So Joe Burrow did not go to the locker room,
took the helmet off, and there's video of him after
that game. I don't know if confronting, but having a
very serious conversation with the coach and the defensive coordinator
and asked, I asked Carson Palmer about fifteen twenty minutes
(25:35):
ago about that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Would you have done that? What do you make of that?
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's brash, he's
willing to get in those tussles, he's willing to give opinions.
And you know, I think back to the Super Bowl
year and they lost that Super Bowl to the to
the Rams because they couldn't protect him and they needed
to upgrade that offensive line, and they had his contract looming,
and I was really he's sitting that off season watching
(26:02):
They brought in four new guys I believe to try
to protect him, and that was kind of an opportunity
for Joe to look around and go, I have a
contract that's loomy. I'm glad to see they're willing to
invest in me and protecting me, and it's gonna be
really interesting. I think over the next twenty four months
to watch what happens with t Higgins and Jamar because
(26:23):
that's gonna be really weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, it's San Francisco was noisy in the off season
with a holdout. Dallas was noisy in the off season.
Ceed wanted his money, Cincinnati was noisy. Three holdout teams
all struggling, and Mike Tomlin with his quarterback issue a
greater position. Mike's like, we'll see what happens. I'm not
(26:49):
gonna worry about it. I'm not gonna tell you who
quarterback one is. That's the value of the Steelers and
the Packers, and they just don't fire coaches. I mean
they had to eventually let goal of Mike McCarthy. Aaron
won that. But you know Pittsburgh, they empower the coach,
and the Miami Heat empowered the coach, and the Spurs
empower the coach. You'll have dips, especially in the NBA
(27:11):
if you have a dunk and retire. But San Antonio
now has Wimby and Papovich is going to have a
nice runway for about six years.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
You mentioned Pittsburgh undefeated, so you see a little symmetry
between Minnesota and Pittsburgh. What's their quarterback situation. They got
guys kind of sort of off the scrap heap on
the cheap. You know what you can do when you
have a cheap quarterback, build a hell of a roster.
Pittsburgh has a damn good defensive roster. We'll see how
long this lasts, but it is interesting that two three
(27:39):
and oh teams both don't have franchise quarterbacks you know
that are making all the money.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Think about this with Tomlin, Levy and Bell got chirpy
out Ab chirpy out Chase Claypool chirpy traded him that
just that this is not the NBA. And nobody proves
it more than the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're back in their coach.
I mean, listen, pat Riley chose Spolster over Lebron. Okay,
(28:06):
and Lebron was still he was darn close to his prime, No,
he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It just doesn't appen very often in pro sports that
you're just like, we're gonna go with a coach. But
it does pay off. The heat and the spurs between
the two have eight titles and as great as the
Celtics franchise is they have won in how many years?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
You want to drag Dack into it?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Remember we do now Celtics have two.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Now we were pretty said fast, you don't pay Dak
sixty mili.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Cowboys did, and their roster looks limited.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They're hurtling toward disaster. This could unravel quickly and then
you're stuck with a sixty million dollars quarterback. How attractive
is the Dallas coaching job. I'll tell you a job
that I think it's actually attractive. I think Pittsburgh has
I've said this before. I think Pittsburgh has a top
five to six roster.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Job's not open. I'm saying no, no, I'm not saying for
the head coach a quarterback. Every year. We have a
free agent quarterback every single year we have one. That
Pittsburgh thing. I mean they can get rid of both quarterbacks.
They've got a star receiver, they have invested draft capital
in the old line. I like their backs, best pass
rusher maybe in the sport great culture, don't fire coaches.
(29:17):
Arthur Smith is a more than capable offensive coordinator. It's
a very interesting We're talking about Russell and Justin maybe
you keep them. But if I was a free agent quarterback,
I think Russell saw what is obvious, no chaos, strong coach.
I think Pittsburgh. I mean, I didn't think they'd be
good this year. But the roster, the rosterstrong
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