September 25, 2024 • 28 mins
Colin gives the Steelers credit for their stability over the years and why Mike Tomlin is the rare exception in today's NFL. He believes it's time to seriously question the Cowboys as "America's Team". Colin also talks to 3-time Pro Bowler Carson Palmer about Joe Burrow and the Bengals starting 0-3 and Caleb Williams struggling in his transition to the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome in. It is a Wednesday. We're live in Los Angeles.
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Carson Palmer stops by today next hour. Joel Platt stops
by Bama, Georgia. This weekend is giganic, you know, Jay MC,
I was thinking about this, yes, but that's pretty busy
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running around town, and I was thinking about you know,
a lot of the NFL. As I've talked about kids before,
the days are long, the year's fly by, right when
you have kids some days forever, and in the NFL
week to week there's crazy stuff happening. But at the
end of the year, you kind of know who's going
to end up the best quarterbacks, best coaches win the division.
One of the surprises has been Pittsburgh, I mean undefeated
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in this division. A lot of people myself included, were
like third or fourth and maybe fourth, and here they
are first and undefeated, and by the way, playing Indianapolis next,
it looks like four and oh. So I don't think
it's a coincidence. And that's where Jay mckau want to
start the show today. So Mike Tomlin's not my favorite coach,
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but I think he's more than capable. I kind of
put him in the Pete Carroll thing. I think sometimes
they're a bit outdated with offense and offensive coordinators and
offensive line, but they're both like Hall of Fame votes.
I'd have no problem Mike Tomlin Pete Carroll getting into
the Hall of Fame. But the world's changed. Football culture
has changed. It's very offensive, the rules have changed. Sometimes
I feel a little outdated on offense. But what ebbs.
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But what's interesting is when you watch Mike Tomlin on
this justin field situation. So by the way, Russell Wilson
and I think this is reasonable to say there's a
little maintenance with Russell, and Russell came there to be
quarterback one, and now Justin Fields is on a heater,
and when everybody's pressing Mike Tomlin, he's just saying, there's
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his quote yesterday is that there's no need to name
Justin Fields as quarterback one. The guy's three and Ozho
Leeds's a vision best he's ever played, seventy three percent
completion percentage. And Mike Tomlin's like, so what, you couldn't
do that elsewhere? There are three organizations in America that
always in power the coach Miami with Eric Spoulstra, San
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Antonio with Greg Popovich, and the Steelers with Bill Kawer.
And now Mike Tomlin. That's it. What about Steve Kerr, Hey,
Steve Kerr has to massage Kevin Durant, Draymond Green. Steve Kerr,
he didn't have total control. He had that locker room
steph runs out organization. But what happens is Mike Tomlin
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doesn't have to tell the players what they want to hear, well,
call it Lebron left Miami, Colin Kawhi Leonard, Yeah, he left,
he left San Antonio. Yeah, And those two players are
now on lousy rosters. And by the way, the Heat
and the Spurs have eight titles between the two. How's
your franchise doing. The Lakers aren't sniffing a franchise championship
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in a long time. And by the way Kawhi Leonard
and the Clippers, they underachieve every year. I think. I
think the Spurs with Wemby going forward, are going to
have a great decade. And I think the Miami Heat.
By the way, Lebron gave Spolstra crap and and why
did he leave? Because Spolstra and pat Riley were in lockstep.
He was like, so, what bye, I see you so
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And Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh you've got like a quarterback dilemma.
The quarterback won the star is now sitting behind a
kid who struggled in Pittsburgh, and Justin Field is hummon.
I never thought he'd be this accurate. See the field
like this, and it's like Tomlin's like, yeah, we'll figure
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it out when it happens, and there's nothing you can do.
And I mean last year, think about this. The Steelers
have had three head coaches in fifty five years. The
Carolina Panthers have had three and forty eight months. It's
not a coincidence. I looked it up this morning. The
most head coaches last thirty years Raiders fifteen, Dolphins, Browns thirteen,
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Lions twelve. Do you think it's a coincidence those teams
are like second tier teams until Detroit the last two years.
The rest of those teams, it's always a circus. You
think that's a coincidence. So it is. Mike Tomlin my
favorite coach. No, Pete Carroll wasn't at the end, or
Belichick my favorite coach because the world has changed, the
culture's changed. But they're three and zero. He's always in Bolden,
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He's always empowered. And this Pittsburgh media there, I mean,
give the media credit in Pittsburgh. They're not giving him
a pass. They're pressing himong this every single day. And
here's what he said, yester, what more.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Do you need to see from Justin? Why not name
than the starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Because there's no need. You know, I explained to you
the variables of the week. It has not changed. He's
gonna walk in this building with that mindset. Tomorrow when
Russ gets to an appropriate point of health and we
have a decision to make, I'll make it and I'll
announce it, and I'll be really transparent about it. But
until then, I don't care how many ways you guys
asked me. You know, I got no intentions of making
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the decision that's unnecessary at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And he doesn't waiver, and he said it six times
and he doesn't care, and he's three and oh and
they're gonna go four to oh and again. Some of
these defensive coaches can drive me nuts, Like Buffalo finally
has a run game seven years in. But I will
say this is Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers.
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They're never in chaos. When they're down, it's brief. They
bounce back up again, and Cleveland doesn't. And the Raiders
to how when's the last time the Raiders were good
or the Browns were consistently good, or the Dolphins were
consistently good? I mean, what decade was that? There is
in a world where players make more and have more
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power and scrub their ig every time they get their
feelings hurt, there is an argument to empower the coach,
even if he's not your favorite coach. Empower the coach.
Here are the Steelers once again in first place with
Mike Tomlin. So I saw this headline, What do the
Cowboys need to focus on to end this losing streak?
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Sell the team? You know, it's funny. You know, I
work at a network that has the NFC, and we
put Tom Brady on all these big Cowboy games. Anybody
watched the Niners Rams game this weekend, it was like
seventy percent Niner fans. The Niners, not the Cowboys travel
better than any NFL franchise. Dallas fans they pop up,
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but they're not as proud and they don't travel like
the Niners. Why well, because they don't win big road games.
What's the point if you went to your in laws
time and time again and came back driving home in
a bad mood, would you go to your in laws
as much? Last ten big road games for the Cowboys
against playoff teams, they're two and eight. Save your money. Really,
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by halftime you'll be getting blown out by Buffalo or
Green Bay or somebody. But to me, Kansas City and
San Francisco reward their fans in January. So I've said
this before. I think Kansas City is America's team right now.
I mean, Taylor Swift could have dated anybody. You really
think it was going to be a somebody on the Jags.
It's Travis Kelsey, number two player on the number one
team in the world. So you know, and I look
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at Dallas and yes, they're still Cowboy fans on the road.
But has anybody else noticed in the last several years
that in Dallas, where they sell out high school football games,
have the number one college football team in the country,
the biggest football brand of Dallas Cowboys, you're seeing twenty
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five percent of that stadium filled with Saints fans and
Packer fans and Lions fans. Here's Stephen Jones talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Obviously would prefer to have everybody sitting in that seat
a Cowboys fan, but we're certainly the beneficiary of that
on the road most of the time in terms of,
you know, having large percentages of Cowboy fans.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And opposing team stadiums.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
If we had our preference, honestly, no, I'd like one
hundred percent of them to be Cowboy fans. But also
though that can be unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Dallas has not won multiple playoff games in a single
year in twenty nine years. In fact, the last time
the Cowboys won more than a single playoff game, Murphy
Brown was the number one TV show, and Hoody and
the Blowfish the number one band. I think that was
Toy Story one. What are they on Toys three or
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four or five now whatever? Like at some point you
can't keep telling me this is America's team. And what's
amazing is they've done this. They've regressed with Dak and
Tony Romo. Those are B plus plus A minus quarterbacks.
So it's not like they haven't had a good coach.
Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl. It's not like they
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haven't had good quarterback play. Dak will get out a
handful of Hall of Fame votes, and Tony Romo was
really really good. They're both really good, better than Andy
Dalton and Andy Dalton we saw this past weekend and
Andy Dalton won multiple division titles in a division with
the Ravens and the Steelers, Like they're good players. So
it's not just well it's the coach now, they've had
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a few of those, Well it's the quarterback. Now, they've
been better than average. Like Chicago's been bad, they can't
get quarterback right, Raiders been bad, they can't get quarterback right.
Cleveland's been bad. They can't get anything right, But the
Cowboys have gotten a lot of the player stuff, right.
And you watch those home games for Dallas now once
they're getting blown out at halftime. I mean, I never
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knew the Baltimore Ravens traveled much. People that are there,
people you talk to, are like, yeah, it's kind of
a fifty to fifty Ravens crowd of the fourth quarter.
Doesn't mean you eventually. America loves winners. The Cowboys are
kind of a loser. I mean when it comes to
January and February. This isn't baseball. There's no nostalgia in football.
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We don't care what you did years ago, doesn't matter
what you do in the regular season. The Raiders have
been to a super Bowl, the Jags have been to
a conference championship. Detroit was in one last year. For
the Cowboys, you're talking about America's team. America doesn't like losers.
They don't like losers. And in football, January and February
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is where winners play, and the Cowboys are never there,
all right, Joe Klatt forty five minutes from now, But
they won twelve games. Nobody cares. Again, like in baseball,
you can be a Hall of Famer my trout. He
called the best player in the game. Never win a
playoff game, forget a series. That's okay with baseball. In
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the NBA, I mean Carmelo Anthony was a losing player.
He can be a first bout. He's the first bout
Hall of Fame player. He's beloved in the sport. Never
made a teammate better. That's basketball. Aesthetics, optics, stylistically, that
matters in basketball. I'm good with it. I'm okay with that.
There's a lot of art in basketball. Same with soccer.
If Messi doesn't win the World Cup, it doesn't devalue.
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He's the best soccer player on the planet last twenty years.
He and Ronaldo. In baseball, nobody really cares how many
titles Bob Gibson or Sandy Kofax had. But in football,
it's about January and February. That's what it's about. That's
what it's about. Two teams, Kansas City, New England hoisting
the trophies and Dallas didn't even get in the San
Francisco may lose, but they're getting there. Dallas didn't even
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sniff it. They haven't won multiple playoff games in twenty
nine years. It's insane, and I like Murphy Brown and
hooting the ball were fine? Then it's now all right?
We all this stuff today, Jay Mang Tomorrow in a
game that may have not looked like much tomorrow the
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Cowboys speaking of them and the New York Giants. Are
you still in the Dallas side?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I bet it at four four and a half, I
think it's gonna start to go up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
My guess is closed as six. Okay, so tomorrow a
big blowout for Dallas. You think in New York?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Big blowouty he bounce back and get the dub all right?
At twenty seven? Seventeens?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What a Friday show? Is another Cowboy loss? Oh it's
great for content. It's great for content. I've said this,
Aaron Rodgers losing is bad for content. Aaron winning is good. Oh,
it's great, it's great. Dallas losing, I would argue, is
great for content. Is this a Colin right or Colin wrong?
Dallas go falling to one and time. I just I
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think there's a couple numbers out there I'd keep my
eye on. First of all, we know this underdogs are
having the greatest start in the history of betting.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Now that will Knock continued, Just okay, all.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right, like it's not like, you know, fifty two percent
at Dallas.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Well listen, you know, in the Vegas contest, I went
five to oh last week. So I just thought i'd mentioned,
casually mentioned that I really like the Cowboys and Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This week we held that off for thirteen minutes. Well
appreciate that.
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Speaker 1 (13:24):
So Patrick Mahomes, not all dynasties are the same. Some
are fascinating, some of the San Antonio Spurs, not all
all time great so the same. And I was thinking
about this. Nick Wright said something yesterday, and I think
he was right about Patrick Mahomes now getting into other
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team's head.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
You know who acts like they are every single week
playing vintage Mahomes and vintage Chiefs. The opponent, you see,
everyone that is competing with the Chiefs treats them during
the game with the respect of this guy is going
to rip our throat out, which to me leads to
self inflicted wounds and mistakes. That allows the Chiefs, even
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when they're not playing great, they played really well for
three quarters against Baltimore. Since then, they have played C
minus football and yet they're undefeated.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And I was thinking about this. Tom Brady beat you.
Did he get into your head? So Larry Holmes was
a heavyweight champ for seven or eight years. Mike Tyson
got into your head. Scotty Scheffler methodically beat you. Tiger
Woods got into your heads. And by the way, Scheffler's
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on a heater, a Tiger Woods level heater. But with Tiger,
remember that you would hear the galleries and you'd that
meant Tiger was coming areas. Tiger just got a birdie
and drove it three seventy and it would intimidate golfers
to Scotty Scheffler did, Larry Holmes did Brady. There are
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times Michael Jordan got in your head. Old Yankee Stadium,
those Yankee teams. It wasn't just the Yankees, it was
Yankee Stadium. The thing was loose, it it's gonna tip over.
I mean, the thing was smelled the ghosts of Yankee Stadium.
Now the new stadium's nice, it doesn't feel the same.
The Dodgers beat you, the Braves beat you, the Astros
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beat you. Jeter, Old Yankee Stadium got into your head.
Michael did, Tiger did, Mahomes did, and I do think
there was a moment when it happened. I think it's
that what twenty twenty one Divisional round game against Buffalo.
Buffalo scores with thirteen seconds left, two plays and forty
four yards later, the Chiefs are kicking, tied overtime. Chiefs
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take the first drive, go down the field and win.
And it was like, oh, wait a minute, thirteen seconds again,
Sean McDermott's defense. That was a good defense. Thirteen seconds
is too much time. I mean that that's a little
John Elway. When I was younger, John Elway was known
big arm baseball player, you know, like he could have
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gone to the Yankees. But like John was known for,
he would throw interceptions, he would make mistakes. You did
not want to give John Elway the ball in the
fourth quarter, and Brady had that. But there was something
about Elway's athletic ability and Tiger off the tee and
Michael Jordan and the switching hands thing. Larry Holmes was
a great fighter. Tyson scared other men that fight for
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a living. And I think Maholmes has gotten a little
bit into that.
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Bengals, Raiders, Cardinals fifteen years three pro Balls. Carson Palmer
always understood what it was like to have to deal
with a bit of dysfunction, not always the world's greatest support.
And as we've seen Carson, these young quarterbacks. Bo Nicks
get Sean Payton, That to me's an advantage. Jaden Daniels
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gets Cliff Kingsbury. I think Cliff's a very sharp guy.
He's had mobile. I think that's an advantage. I watch
Caleb and I think, man, this is a this is
a rough sled. Right you sat behind John kittn If
I recall the first year Central Washington, I remember that.
Do you think you could make an argument they probably
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should have sat him maybe to Thanksgiving Caleb? Or is
he so talented which you were just put him out there? No.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I think the best thing for Caleb to do is play.
He needs the experience, he needs these reps. And you know, unfortunately,
to be a good quarterback you really need to go
through some adversity.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You need to.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Come in and have struggles to really appreciate the peaks
that you get to get to. You got to understand
those valleys and those lows, and they'll make him a
better quarterback. They'll make him work harder, they'll make him
want it more. Times when you see young guys coming
into the league and have a ton of success, they
have fizzled out in the past. I think Caleb coming
into this situation where he's really got to work at
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it and he really has to play his absolute best
football in order for them to win a game, I
think that's a good situation for him to build his
foundation to the future and the Bear's future on.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right now, you know there is, as you well know,
there is a gap between the best coaches and solid coaches.
Kevin O'Connell has literally coached the reckless out of Sam Darnold,
who I think we both probably liked a lot as
a trojan, but he was a wreck. He was like
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he could have been. You know, he had some Carson
Wentz in him that you saw the talent, but a
lot of mistakes. And by the way, Matt Stafford's got
some of that, Andrew luck did. They're both great what
do you think Kevin O'Connell is doing. Sam's clearly seeing
things better. The reckless is gone. You tell what is that?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:01):
I think as great as O'Connell's been for him, I
think you need to give a little bit of love
to Shanahan and his experience being in San Francisco and
being in that culture, in that situation. I think that
all you know this, this maturation of Sam started when
he was in San Francisco and in that room, wanting,
chomping at the bit, waiting for his opportunity. Now he's
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finally got it. There were some instances last season where
rock Perty was injured. He's coming off the elbow, he
had a concussion, and he was so close to getting
on the field, and now he finally had to wait
for so long to be in the right environment, have
the right coach, and have the right players around him,
and you're seeing Sam Florish currently.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know, Tony Gonzalez, the great tight end, once told
me that he just didn't have the personality early in
his career to confront coaches and confronts him. It wasn't
his personality, and Tonio has felt it. It could have
cost him five hundred catches. Joe Burrow had a moment
this past week. They're oh and three. There's video of
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Joe basically, we're going to have a meeting after the
game with his coach and his defensive coordinator. He's confronting
stuff which I am four you and I said, I
think you and Joe Burrow are great examples of profound
elite talents, but that it proves Brady had. From Ernie
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Adams to Belichick, Mahomes, Andy Reid to the GM, A
great quarterback has a ceiling. And I never felt you
and sometimes with Burrow, I don't feel they have it.
When you were frustrated, Let's say maybe you didn't have
things furnished in Cincinnati. Would you have gone to a
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coach and called him out? Would you have said we
needed to sit down and talk. Did you? Were you
willing to do that?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I was.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
They just didn't. They just didn't want to hear it
or didn't want to listen to me.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
You know, Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's brash,
he's willing to get in those tussles. He's willing to
give opinions, and you know, I think back to the
Super Bowl year and they lost that Super Bowl to
the to the Rams because they couldn't protect him and
they needed to upgrade that offensive line, and they had
his contract looming, and I was really antsy sitting that
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off season watching and what are they gonna do? Are
they gonna are they just happy with going to the
Super Bowl? Are they all in? And that was awesome.
They went out and saying, like Al Collins, they revamped
that offensive line. They brought in four new guys I
believe to try to protect him. And that was kind
of an opportunity for Joe to look around and go,
I have a contract that's looming. I'm glad to see
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they're willing to invest in me and protecting me.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now a couple of years down the line.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Now they've got two receivers that both want and deserve
new contracts, and it's gonna be really interesting, I think
over the next twenty four months to watch what happens
with t Higgins and Jamar because that's gonna be real.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So I was I don't want to say a skeptic,
but I watched brock Perty in college. A little small
goes to the NFL, and I'm like, I mean good
Jennings and Debo and I Yuke and Kittle and I'm
Shanahan and I'm thinking, you know, just don't crash the
Mercedes into the driveway like this is just an easy lift.
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But you know, I watched him this past weekend without
all his guys, and he made Joan Jennings look like
Justin Jefferson, and I was just like, I guess he's
it and I didn't see it. Are you were a
number one pick? Are you surprised that he fooled that
many people? Even the Niners passed on him six times.
Are you know Kurt Warner was undrafted, Romo was undrafted?
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You were obvious? You know you watch Josh Allen. Okay,
you know there's certain guys like Peyton manning you. But
when he drops to the seventh, why do you think
he did when he's this good as a pro?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Well, I think you know what you're getting at is
what happens when they have to give him twenty percent
of the salary cap. In a couple of years, you
lose maybe the Christian McCaffrey and Kittles combination. There's going
to be some give and take when they have to
pay him, because at that point you maybe don't have
Auk and Fred Warner on that roster because you got
to give that chunk of salary to him. But I
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think you saw it a little bit in Cleveland last
year why he was not drafted in the first couple
of rounds when he went into an inclement weather situation
and the ball was wet and there's a little bit
of wind, and that wind comes off of Lake Erie
in Cleveland, and it just swirls in that stadium and
the ball doesn't quite come up with the same velocity
and it's not hitting your target, and that team and
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Brock really struggled in that game. I think that's just
a little microcosm of why you saw him get drafted
late when you combine losing that those type of players
and those caliber are really you know, a Pro Bowl
roster that they have in San Francisco, and you see
him doing some amazing things with his feet, but you
also see him getting beat up.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
He got a little banged up this last week.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
He's not a big physical guy that can take the
pounding that a Josh Allen can take. But I think
you saw a little bit of that in Cleveland last year,
and I'm waiting to watch you know, San Francisco. They
play in the NFC West, they don't play in a
lot of bad weather situations until they head to the
East Coast, and I think that's where you're gonna see
him struggle a little bit once that wind picks up,
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that ball gets wet, they start playing in a snow environment.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
He's really gonna need Debo healthy.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
He's gonna need McCaffrey healthy, healthy, because he's shown that
when he gets in those environments he struggles a bit.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
One final question, go back to what you watched. You know,
you played against in college, your NFL career. In what
you've watched, Maholmes has the trophy room. I'm not sure
I've ever seen anything, and I loved Elway. I've never
quite seen anything like Josh Allen and he may be imperfect,
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but there are times I watch him and to be
a pro athlete, you're obviously the best in your high school,
generally the best in your county, you're often the best
in your state. So he is making professional athletes world class.
There are times he looks like he's a different level
than Jordan did this. When you look at somebody that
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you had the gifts, When you look at Josh Allen
six six two point fifty runs arm, have you ever
seen anybody that just from a gift standpoint like that,
did you play against somebody? Just see anybody.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Not that I could think of.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
I mean, his combination of running ability and ability to
throw the ball in the pocket. There's been a lot
of quarterbacks that have been able to get outside the
pocket and make place in their legs and run through
tackles and have you know, consistent you know, fifty eighty
one hundred yard rushing games. But to be able to
throw the ball accurately in the pocket and do that,
that's a rare combination. I mean, I Mahomes, you mentioned Holmes.
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Mahomes does the same thing. Not as physical when he
runs with the football, but he can beat you with
his legs outside the pocket. We've seen him do it
in the playoffs, We've seen him do it in the
regular season. And inside the pocket. Those two guys are
playing just at a different level than everybody else around him.
That's why there's such a stark difference and the quarterback
play between Kansas City and Buffalo and really everybody else
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in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Hey, by the way, Michael Pennix is not playing, I'm
okay with it. I like Kirk Cousins, when you were
sitting behind Kittna, You're a better player, You're bigger, stronger,
you ever. Yeah, any bitterness, like, how did you handle
that whole thing? How did it feel to you? Because
you weren't talking about it?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
I mean I think Pennicks on draft day knew the
situation as soon as he picked up the phone from
Atlanta what he was going into. He knew Kirk had
just signed a big deal there, so you know he
wasn't going into a situation. And then you know they
slide the route the rug out from underneath you and
tell you, oh, by the way, we're signing a perennial
pro bowler. So I think going into that situation and
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going to that that staff, that ownership group, the success
that Atlanta has had, I think he was fired up
about it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, there's not a better.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Locker room leader and just all around teammate than Kirk Cousins.
Everywhere Kirk spent everybody loves him. That that is unanimous.
You go in any locker room that Kurt's been in.
Guys love him, so you know he's he's you know,
he's not there to coach, He's not there to to
bring this young guy along. But this young guy is
there to watch this old guy do it and watch
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him train, and watch him watch film, and watch him
lead team meetings, watch him break to the hub. You know,
there's so much he can absorb, so much he can learn.
Being in a new system, being in a new offense. Well,
Kirk's also in that same situation. This is a new offense,
so he's getting to really watch Kurt in real time
figure this out, figure out new receivers, new tight ends,
(27:50):
new offensive line calls and line of scrimmage. And this
is a This is a fabulous situation. I know Pinnix
wants to play, and he probably has the ability to
be the starter and a number of teams tonight. But
when you look at the flip side of it, and
you look at what this can do for his career
and how this sets him up.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
He's learning how to be a pro from one of
the best.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah yeah, Mahomes had it with Alex Smith. You're learning
from a real pro. Hey man, good seeing you as always.
Jordan comes on regularly, Carson, I always appreciate this a
couple of times a year, giving us time. You're a
busy guy, and thanks again. Thanks go you bet, Carson
Palmer
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Carson Palmer stops by today next hour. Joel Platt stops
by Bama, Georgia. This weekend is giganic, you know, Jay MC,
I was thinking about this, yes, but that's pretty busy
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running around town, and I was thinking about you know,
a lot of the NFL. As I've talked about kids before,
the days are long, the year's fly by, right when
you have kids some days forever, and in the NFL
week to week there's crazy stuff happening. But at the
end of the year, you kind of know who's going
to end up the best quarterbacks, best coaches win the division.
One of the surprises has been Pittsburgh, I mean undefeated
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in this division. A lot of people myself included, were
like third or fourth and maybe fourth, and here they
are first and undefeated, and by the way, playing Indianapolis next,
it looks like four and oh. So I don't think
it's a coincidence. And that's where Jay mckau want to
start the show today. So Mike Tomlin's not my favorite coach,
(01:34):
but I think he's more than capable. I kind of
put him in the Pete Carroll thing. I think sometimes
they're a bit outdated with offense and offensive coordinators and
offensive line, but they're both like Hall of Fame votes.
I'd have no problem Mike Tomlin Pete Carroll getting into
the Hall of Fame. But the world's changed. Football culture
has changed. It's very offensive, the rules have changed. Sometimes
I feel a little outdated on offense. But what ebbs.
(01:57):
But what's interesting is when you watch Mike Tomlin on
this justin field situation. So by the way, Russell Wilson
and I think this is reasonable to say there's a
little maintenance with Russell, and Russell came there to be
quarterback one, and now Justin Fields is on a heater,
and when everybody's pressing Mike Tomlin, he's just saying, there's
(02:19):
his quote yesterday is that there's no need to name
Justin Fields as quarterback one. The guy's three and Ozho
Leeds's a vision best he's ever played, seventy three percent
completion percentage. And Mike Tomlin's like, so what, you couldn't
do that elsewhere? There are three organizations in America that
always in power the coach Miami with Eric Spoulstra, San
(02:42):
Antonio with Greg Popovich, and the Steelers with Bill Kawer.
And now Mike Tomlin. That's it. What about Steve Kerr, Hey,
Steve Kerr has to massage Kevin Durant, Draymond Green. Steve Kerr,
he didn't have total control. He had that locker room
steph runs out organization. But what happens is Mike Tomlin
(03:03):
doesn't have to tell the players what they want to hear, well,
call it Lebron left Miami, Colin Kawhi Leonard, Yeah, he left,
he left San Antonio. Yeah, And those two players are
now on lousy rosters. And by the way, the Heat
and the Spurs have eight titles between the two. How's
your franchise doing. The Lakers aren't sniffing a franchise championship
(03:25):
in a long time. And by the way Kawhi Leonard
and the Clippers, they underachieve every year. I think. I
think the Spurs with Wemby going forward, are going to
have a great decade. And I think the Miami Heat.
By the way, Lebron gave Spolstra crap and and why
did he leave? Because Spolstra and pat Riley were in lockstep.
He was like, so, what bye, I see you so
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And Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh you've got like a quarterback dilemma.
The quarterback won the star is now sitting behind a
kid who struggled in Pittsburgh, and Justin Field is hummon.
I never thought he'd be this accurate. See the field
like this, and it's like Tomlin's like, yeah, we'll figure
(04:06):
it out when it happens, and there's nothing you can do.
And I mean last year, think about this. The Steelers
have had three head coaches in fifty five years. The
Carolina Panthers have had three and forty eight months. It's
not a coincidence. I looked it up this morning. The
most head coaches last thirty years Raiders fifteen, Dolphins, Browns thirteen,
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Lions twelve. Do you think it's a coincidence those teams
are like second tier teams until Detroit the last two years.
The rest of those teams, it's always a circus. You
think that's a coincidence. So it is. Mike Tomlin my
favorite coach. No, Pete Carroll wasn't at the end, or
Belichick my favorite coach because the world has changed, the
culture's changed. But they're three and zero. He's always in Bolden,
(04:50):
He's always empowered. And this Pittsburgh media there, I mean,
give the media credit in Pittsburgh. They're not giving him
a pass. They're pressing himong this every single day. And
here's what he said, yester, what more.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Do you need to see from Justin? Why not name
than the starting quarterback?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Because there's no need. You know, I explained to you
the variables of the week. It has not changed. He's
gonna walk in this building with that mindset. Tomorrow when
Russ gets to an appropriate point of health and we
have a decision to make, I'll make it and I'll
announce it, and I'll be really transparent about it. But
until then, I don't care how many ways you guys
asked me. You know, I got no intentions of making
(05:29):
the decision that's unnecessary at this juncture.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And he doesn't waiver, and he said it six times
and he doesn't care, and he's three and oh and
they're gonna go four to oh and again. Some of
these defensive coaches can drive me nuts, Like Buffalo finally
has a run game seven years in. But I will
say this is Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Pittsburgh Steelers.
(05:55):
They're never in chaos. When they're down, it's brief. They
bounce back up again, and Cleveland doesn't. And the Raiders
to how when's the last time the Raiders were good
or the Browns were consistently good, or the Dolphins were
consistently good? I mean, what decade was that? There is
in a world where players make more and have more
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power and scrub their ig every time they get their
feelings hurt, there is an argument to empower the coach,
even if he's not your favorite coach. Empower the coach.
Here are the Steelers once again in first place with
Mike Tomlin. So I saw this headline, What do the
Cowboys need to focus on to end this losing streak?
(06:40):
Sell the team? You know, it's funny. You know, I
work at a network that has the NFC, and we
put Tom Brady on all these big Cowboy games. Anybody
watched the Niners Rams game this weekend, it was like
seventy percent Niner fans. The Niners, not the Cowboys travel
better than any NFL franchise. Dallas fans they pop up,
(07:01):
but they're not as proud and they don't travel like
the Niners. Why well, because they don't win big road games.
What's the point if you went to your in laws
time and time again and came back driving home in
a bad mood, would you go to your in laws
as much? Last ten big road games for the Cowboys
against playoff teams, they're two and eight. Save your money. Really,
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by halftime you'll be getting blown out by Buffalo or
Green Bay or somebody. But to me, Kansas City and
San Francisco reward their fans in January. So I've said
this before. I think Kansas City is America's team right now.
I mean, Taylor Swift could have dated anybody. You really
think it was going to be a somebody on the Jags.
It's Travis Kelsey, number two player on the number one
team in the world. So you know, and I look
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at Dallas and yes, they're still Cowboy fans on the road.
But has anybody else noticed in the last several years
that in Dallas, where they sell out high school football games,
have the number one college football team in the country,
the biggest football brand of Dallas Cowboys, you're seeing twenty
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five percent of that stadium filled with Saints fans and
Packer fans and Lions fans. Here's Stephen Jones talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Obviously would prefer to have everybody sitting in that seat
a Cowboys fan, but we're certainly the beneficiary of that
on the road most of the time in terms of,
you know, having large percentages of Cowboy fans.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And opposing team stadiums.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
If we had our preference, honestly, no, I'd like one
hundred percent of them to be Cowboy fans. But also
though that can be unrealistic.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Dallas has not won multiple playoff games in a single
year in twenty nine years. In fact, the last time
the Cowboys won more than a single playoff game, Murphy
Brown was the number one TV show, and Hoody and
the Blowfish the number one band. I think that was
Toy Story one. What are they on Toys three or
(09:00):
four or five now whatever? Like at some point you
can't keep telling me this is America's team. And what's
amazing is they've done this. They've regressed with Dak and
Tony Romo. Those are B plus plus A minus quarterbacks.
So it's not like they haven't had a good coach.
Mike McCarthy won a Super Bowl. It's not like they
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haven't had good quarterback play. Dak will get out a
handful of Hall of Fame votes, and Tony Romo was
really really good. They're both really good, better than Andy
Dalton and Andy Dalton we saw this past weekend and
Andy Dalton won multiple division titles in a division with
the Ravens and the Steelers, Like they're good players. So
it's not just well it's the coach now, they've had
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a few of those, Well it's the quarterback. Now, they've
been better than average. Like Chicago's been bad, they can't
get quarterback right, Raiders been bad, they can't get quarterback right.
Cleveland's been bad. They can't get anything right, But the
Cowboys have gotten a lot of the player stuff, right.
And you watch those home games for Dallas now once
they're getting blown out at halftime. I mean, I never
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knew the Baltimore Ravens traveled much. People that are there,
people you talk to, are like, yeah, it's kind of
a fifty to fifty Ravens crowd of the fourth quarter.
Doesn't mean you eventually. America loves winners. The Cowboys are
kind of a loser. I mean when it comes to
January and February. This isn't baseball. There's no nostalgia in football.
(10:24):
We don't care what you did years ago, doesn't matter
what you do in the regular season. The Raiders have
been to a super Bowl, the Jags have been to
a conference championship. Detroit was in one last year. For
the Cowboys, you're talking about America's team. America doesn't like losers.
They don't like losers. And in football, January and February
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is where winners play, and the Cowboys are never there,
all right, Joe Klatt forty five minutes from now, But
they won twelve games. Nobody cares. Again, like in baseball,
you can be a Hall of Famer my trout. He
called the best player in the game. Never win a
playoff game, forget a series. That's okay with baseball. In
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the NBA, I mean Carmelo Anthony was a losing player.
He can be a first bout. He's the first bout
Hall of Fame player. He's beloved in the sport. Never
made a teammate better. That's basketball. Aesthetics, optics, stylistically, that
matters in basketball. I'm good with it. I'm okay with that.
There's a lot of art in basketball. Same with soccer.
If Messi doesn't win the World Cup, it doesn't devalue.
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He's the best soccer player on the planet last twenty years.
He and Ronaldo. In baseball, nobody really cares how many
titles Bob Gibson or Sandy Kofax had. But in football,
it's about January and February. That's what it's about. That's
what it's about. Two teams, Kansas City, New England hoisting
the trophies and Dallas didn't even get in the San
Francisco may lose, but they're getting there. Dallas didn't even
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sniff it. They haven't won multiple playoff games in twenty
nine years. It's insane, and I like Murphy Brown and
hooting the ball were fine? Then it's now all right?
We all this stuff today, Jay Mang Tomorrow in a
game that may have not looked like much tomorrow the
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Cowboys speaking of them and the New York Giants. Are
you still in the Dallas side?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I bet it at four four and a half, I
think it's gonna start to go up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
My guess is closed as six. Okay, so tomorrow a
big blowout for Dallas. You think in New York?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Big blowouty he bounce back and get the dub all right?
At twenty seven? Seventeens?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
What a Friday show? Is another Cowboy loss? Oh it's
great for content. It's great for content. I've said this,
Aaron Rodgers losing is bad for content. Aaron winning is good. Oh,
it's great, it's great. Dallas losing, I would argue, is
great for content. Is this a Colin right or Colin wrong?
Dallas go falling to one and time. I just I
(12:53):
think there's a couple numbers out there I'd keep my
eye on. First of all, we know this underdogs are
having the greatest start in the history of betting.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Now that will Knock continued, Just okay, all.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right, like it's not like, you know, fifty two percent
at Dallas.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Well listen, you know, in the Vegas contest, I went
five to oh last week. So I just thought i'd mentioned,
casually mentioned that I really like the Cowboys and Bears.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This week we held that off for thirteen minutes. Well
appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
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Speaker 1 (13:24):
So Patrick Mahomes, not all dynasties are the same. Some
are fascinating, some of the San Antonio Spurs, not all
all time great so the same. And I was thinking
about this. Nick Wright said something yesterday, and I think
he was right about Patrick Mahomes now getting into other
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team's head.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
You know who acts like they are every single week
playing vintage Mahomes and vintage Chiefs. The opponent, you see,
everyone that is competing with the Chiefs treats them during
the game with the respect of this guy is going
to rip our throat out, which to me leads to
self inflicted wounds and mistakes. That allows the Chiefs, even
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when they're not playing great, they played really well for
three quarters against Baltimore. Since then, they have played C
minus football and yet they're undefeated.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And I was thinking about this. Tom Brady beat you.
Did he get into your head? So Larry Holmes was
a heavyweight champ for seven or eight years. Mike Tyson
got into your head. Scotty Scheffler methodically beat you. Tiger
Woods got into your heads. And by the way, Scheffler's
(14:43):
on a heater, a Tiger Woods level heater. But with Tiger,
remember that you would hear the galleries and you'd that
meant Tiger was coming areas. Tiger just got a birdie
and drove it three seventy and it would intimidate golfers
to Scotty Scheffler did, Larry Holmes did Brady. There are
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times Michael Jordan got in your head. Old Yankee Stadium,
those Yankee teams. It wasn't just the Yankees, it was
Yankee Stadium. The thing was loose, it it's gonna tip over.
I mean, the thing was smelled the ghosts of Yankee Stadium.
Now the new stadium's nice, it doesn't feel the same.
The Dodgers beat you, the Braves beat you, the Astros
(15:24):
beat you. Jeter, Old Yankee Stadium got into your head.
Michael did, Tiger did, Mahomes did, and I do think
there was a moment when it happened. I think it's
that what twenty twenty one Divisional round game against Buffalo.
Buffalo scores with thirteen seconds left, two plays and forty
four yards later, the Chiefs are kicking, tied overtime. Chiefs
(15:45):
take the first drive, go down the field and win.
And it was like, oh, wait a minute, thirteen seconds again,
Sean McDermott's defense. That was a good defense. Thirteen seconds
is too much time. I mean that that's a little
John Elway. When I was younger, John Elway was known
big arm baseball player, you know, like he could have
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gone to the Yankees. But like John was known for,
he would throw interceptions, he would make mistakes. You did
not want to give John Elway the ball in the
fourth quarter, and Brady had that. But there was something
about Elway's athletic ability and Tiger off the tee and
Michael Jordan and the switching hands thing. Larry Holmes was
a great fighter. Tyson scared other men that fight for
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a living. And I think Maholmes has gotten a little
bit into that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
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Speaker 1 (16:42):
Bengals, Raiders, Cardinals fifteen years three pro Balls. Carson Palmer
always understood what it was like to have to deal
with a bit of dysfunction, not always the world's greatest support.
And as we've seen Carson, these young quarterbacks. Bo Nicks
get Sean Payton, That to me's an advantage. Jaden Daniels
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gets Cliff Kingsbury. I think Cliff's a very sharp guy.
He's had mobile. I think that's an advantage. I watch
Caleb and I think, man, this is a this is
a rough sled. Right you sat behind John kittn If
I recall the first year Central Washington, I remember that.
Do you think you could make an argument they probably
(17:27):
should have sat him maybe to Thanksgiving Caleb? Or is
he so talented which you were just put him out there? No.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I think the best thing for Caleb to do is play.
He needs the experience, he needs these reps. And you know, unfortunately,
to be a good quarterback you really need to go
through some adversity.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You need to.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Come in and have struggles to really appreciate the peaks
that you get to get to. You got to understand
those valleys and those lows, and they'll make him a
better quarterback. They'll make him work harder, they'll make him
want it more. Times when you see young guys coming
into the league and have a ton of success, they
have fizzled out in the past. I think Caleb coming
into this situation where he's really got to work at
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it and he really has to play his absolute best
football in order for them to win a game, I
think that's a good situation for him to build his
foundation to the future and the Bear's future on.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Right now, you know there is, as you well know,
there is a gap between the best coaches and solid coaches.
Kevin O'Connell has literally coached the reckless out of Sam Darnold,
who I think we both probably liked a lot as
a trojan, but he was a wreck. He was like
(18:40):
he could have been. You know, he had some Carson
Wentz in him that you saw the talent, but a
lot of mistakes. And by the way, Matt Stafford's got
some of that, Andrew luck did. They're both great what
do you think Kevin O'Connell is doing. Sam's clearly seeing
things better. The reckless is gone. You tell what is that?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:01):
I think as great as O'Connell's been for him, I
think you need to give a little bit of love
to Shanahan and his experience being in San Francisco and
being in that culture, in that situation. I think that
all you know this, this maturation of Sam started when
he was in San Francisco and in that room, wanting,
chomping at the bit, waiting for his opportunity. Now he's
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finally got it. There were some instances last season where
rock Perty was injured. He's coming off the elbow, he
had a concussion, and he was so close to getting
on the field, and now he finally had to wait
for so long to be in the right environment, have
the right coach, and have the right players around him,
and you're seeing Sam Florish currently.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You know, Tony Gonzalez, the great tight end, once told
me that he just didn't have the personality early in
his career to confront coaches and confronts him. It wasn't
his personality, and Tonio has felt it. It could have
cost him five hundred catches. Joe Burrow had a moment
this past week. They're oh and three. There's video of
(20:05):
Joe basically, we're going to have a meeting after the
game with his coach and his defensive coordinator. He's confronting
stuff which I am four you and I said, I
think you and Joe Burrow are great examples of profound
elite talents, but that it proves Brady had. From Ernie
(20:26):
Adams to Belichick, Mahomes, Andy Reid to the GM, A
great quarterback has a ceiling. And I never felt you
and sometimes with Burrow, I don't feel they have it.
When you were frustrated, Let's say maybe you didn't have
things furnished in Cincinnati. Would you have gone to a
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coach and called him out? Would you have said we
needed to sit down and talk. Did you? Were you
willing to do that?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I was.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
They just didn't. They just didn't want to hear it
or didn't want to listen to me.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
You know, Fortunately, it sounds like Joe. You know, he's brash,
he's willing to get in those tussles. He's willing to
give opinions, and you know, I think back to the
Super Bowl year and they lost that Super Bowl to
the to the Rams because they couldn't protect him and
they needed to upgrade that offensive line, and they had
his contract looming, and I was really antsy sitting that
(21:20):
off season watching and what are they gonna do? Are
they gonna are they just happy with going to the
Super Bowl? Are they all in? And that was awesome.
They went out and saying, like Al Collins, they revamped
that offensive line. They brought in four new guys I
believe to try to protect him. And that was kind
of an opportunity for Joe to look around and go,
I have a contract that's looming. I'm glad to see
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they're willing to invest in me and protecting me.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now a couple of years down the line.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Now they've got two receivers that both want and deserve
new contracts, and it's gonna be really interesting, I think
over the next twenty four months to watch what happens
with t Higgins and Jamar because that's gonna be real.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Weighing heavily on Joe.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So I was I don't want to say a skeptic,
but I watched brock Perty in college. A little small
goes to the NFL, and I'm like, I mean good
Jennings and Debo and I Yuke and Kittle and I'm
Shanahan and I'm thinking, you know, just don't crash the
Mercedes into the driveway like this is just an easy lift.
(22:22):
But you know, I watched him this past weekend without
all his guys, and he made Joan Jennings look like
Justin Jefferson, and I was just like, I guess he's
it and I didn't see it. Are you were a
number one pick? Are you surprised that he fooled that
many people? Even the Niners passed on him six times.
Are you know Kurt Warner was undrafted, Romo was undrafted?
(22:45):
You were obvious? You know you watch Josh Allen. Okay,
you know there's certain guys like Peyton manning you. But
when he drops to the seventh, why do you think
he did when he's this good as a pro?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Well, I think you know what you're getting at is
what happens when they have to give him twenty percent
of the salary cap. In a couple of years, you
lose maybe the Christian McCaffrey and Kittles combination. There's going
to be some give and take when they have to
pay him, because at that point you maybe don't have
Auk and Fred Warner on that roster because you got
to give that chunk of salary to him. But I
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think you saw it a little bit in Cleveland last
year why he was not drafted in the first couple
of rounds when he went into an inclement weather situation
and the ball was wet and there's a little bit
of wind, and that wind comes off of Lake Erie
in Cleveland, and it just swirls in that stadium and
the ball doesn't quite come up with the same velocity
and it's not hitting your target, and that team and
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Brock really struggled in that game. I think that's just
a little microcosm of why you saw him get drafted
late when you combine losing that those type of players
and those caliber are really you know, a Pro Bowl
roster that they have in San Francisco, and you see
him doing some amazing things with his feet, but you
also see him getting beat up.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
He got a little banged up this last week.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
He's not a big physical guy that can take the
pounding that a Josh Allen can take. But I think
you saw a little bit of that in Cleveland last year,
and I'm waiting to watch you know, San Francisco. They
play in the NFC West, they don't play in a
lot of bad weather situations until they head to the
East Coast, and I think that's where you're gonna see
him struggle a little bit once that wind picks up,
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that ball gets wet, they start playing in a snow environment.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
He's really gonna need Debo healthy.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
He's gonna need McCaffrey healthy, healthy, because he's shown that
when he gets in those environments he struggles a bit.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
One final question, go back to what you watched. You know,
you played against in college, your NFL career. In what
you've watched, Maholmes has the trophy room. I'm not sure
I've ever seen anything, and I loved Elway. I've never
quite seen anything like Josh Allen and he may be imperfect,
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but there are times I watch him and to be
a pro athlete, you're obviously the best in your high school,
generally the best in your county, you're often the best
in your state. So he is making professional athletes world class.
There are times he looks like he's a different level
than Jordan did this. When you look at somebody that
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you had the gifts, When you look at Josh Allen
six six two point fifty runs arm, have you ever
seen anybody that just from a gift standpoint like that,
did you play against somebody? Just see anybody.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Not that I could think of.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
I mean, his combination of running ability and ability to
throw the ball in the pocket. There's been a lot
of quarterbacks that have been able to get outside the
pocket and make place in their legs and run through
tackles and have you know, consistent you know, fifty eighty
one hundred yard rushing games. But to be able to
throw the ball accurately in the pocket and do that,
that's a rare combination. I mean, I Mahomes, you mentioned Holmes.
(26:00):
Mahomes does the same thing. Not as physical when he
runs with the football, but he can beat you with
his legs outside the pocket. We've seen him do it
in the playoffs, We've seen him do it in the
regular season. And inside the pocket. Those two guys are
playing just at a different level than everybody else around him.
That's why there's such a stark difference and the quarterback
play between Kansas City and Buffalo and really everybody else
(26:22):
in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Hey, by the way, Michael Pennix is not playing, I'm
okay with it. I like Kirk Cousins, when you were
sitting behind Kittna, You're a better player, You're bigger, stronger,
you ever. Yeah, any bitterness, like, how did you handle
that whole thing? How did it feel to you? Because
you weren't talking about it?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
I mean I think Pennicks on draft day knew the
situation as soon as he picked up the phone from
Atlanta what he was going into. He knew Kirk had
just signed a big deal there, so you know he
wasn't going into a situation. And then you know they
slide the route the rug out from underneath you and
tell you, oh, by the way, we're signing a perennial
pro bowler. So I think going into that situation and
(27:00):
going to that that staff, that ownership group, the success
that Atlanta has had, I think he was fired up
about it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, there's not a better.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Locker room leader and just all around teammate than Kirk Cousins.
Everywhere Kirk spent everybody loves him. That that is unanimous.
You go in any locker room that Kurt's been in.
Guys love him, so you know he's he's you know,
he's not there to coach, He's not there to to
bring this young guy along. But this young guy is
there to watch this old guy do it and watch
(27:30):
him train, and watch him watch film, and watch him
lead team meetings, watch him break to the hub. You know,
there's so much he can absorb, so much he can learn.
Being in a new system, being in a new offense. Well,
Kirk's also in that same situation. This is a new offense,
so he's getting to really watch Kurt in real time
figure this out, figure out new receivers, new tight ends,
(27:50):
new offensive line calls and line of scrimmage. And this
is a This is a fabulous situation. I know Pinnix
wants to play, and he probably has the ability to
be the starter and a number of teams tonight. But
when you look at the flip side of it, and
you look at what this can do for his career
and how this sets him up.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
He's learning how to be a pro from one of
the best.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah yeah, Mahomes had it with Alex Smith. You're learning
from a real pro. Hey man, good seeing you as always.
Jordan comes on regularly, Carson, I always appreciate this a
couple of times a year, giving us time. You're a
busy guy, and thanks again. Thanks go you bet, Carson
Palmer
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