September 25, 2024 • 43 mins
Richard Sherman interviews Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Trent McDuffie. The former University of Washington star talks to Richard about earning NFL First Team All-Pro honors in his first year playing nickel, the Chiefs’ Super Bowl LVIII victory over Brock Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers, why he'll never forget getting burned by A.J. Brown in his first Super Bowl appearance against the Philadelphia Eagles, the outrageous pass interference he had called on him in the Chiefs’ win over the Atlanta Falcons, getting traumatized lining up against Patrick Mahomes in practice, L'Jarius Sneed being traded by Kansas City to the Tennessee Titans, and how he would watch Charles Woodson, Darrelle Revis, and Richard growing up to learn the cornerback position. Richard also shares a story about Kam Chancellor getting injured the day before the Seattle Seahawks played Super Bowl XLIX against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 2 (01:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:58):
All right, man, next you go. Welcome back to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. We got an incredible guest, one of
the best corners in the National Football League and All
Pro and Trent McDuffie. I've been watching him since he
was at you Dub and they were strapping and now
he's doing it with the Kansas City Chiefs. Been in
the league two years. Got two rings on his finger
(02:20):
that you can't buy in the stores.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How you doing, brother, I'm doing good, my man. Glad
to be on here.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad to have you'all. Appreciate you joining me.
How you feel this season is going. Obviously, you guys
have been at some tight games. I mean, Fince you've
been there. This defense has been elite, especially in his secondary.
I mean, you lost Legeriu Sneid, but you Watson Sneid, obviously,
Jay Reid, y'all have been playing at an elite level.
(02:47):
What about this secondary and the chemistry that you guys
have allows you to play so fast and so well
even in these type ball games.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I mean I think it'll goes back to like
you said, the chemistry, but the mice said of this
back end, you know, coming from U Dub like you said,
I thought our DVU, you know, DV room was really
tight locked in and so like coming to the league,
I was like, yo, like, what's it gonna be about?
Like how the guys in there, what's the coaches? You know,
rules and how we're gonna run things. But ob see
(03:16):
Dave Mayrick, he really let the DVS like control our
own room. And I remember coming in you got LJ. Sneid,
who is a straight dog he's about his business. You
got Jay Reed, who's the vet, savvy vet.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And then it was just a bunch of young guys
and everybody had to come in here and put their
shoulder pads on and realize this is a man's game.
And we did just that, you know what I mean,
Like we came in here and we're like, no matter
what everybody was on that field, you got to handle
your business. And that kind of just been carrying over
these past three years.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So when you when you came in, you knew the expectation,
you knew the standard. But it wasn't like you just
like fit in and you were just like a guy
on a super Bowl team. You were the guy. And
you talk about the Super Bowl. We're gonna talk about
that in a second because I want a deep dive
some of that. You guys, you were strapping, you're trappings.
Be straight up about that, you know, I mean seat
belt and all the rest of the stuff the kids
(04:06):
be doing. But talk about Spags and how different it
is playing in his scheme because he has you all
over the place in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah yeah, man, Spags defense, I think is the hardest
thing I've ever had to learn like corner. I mean
you pick up corner pretty easy. You know, as a
corner you only do so many things. But once I
sat him to that nickel boy, that thing was different.
I mean he has you in the run fit. See,
I know your gaps thirty stands, twenties. You gotta know
(04:35):
pulling schemes. You gotta know what the quarner of the
back cadence is because you're gonna send you on a blitz.
Think how you play man and Man's zero coverage like
he has one allowed me to do so many things
in football, Like that's kind of football plaria. I'm like,
I like to showcase my talents. Always say, if I
ain't hurting the next day, if I ain't sore, like
I ain't get enough that game, like I have to
do more. But coming in and truly learning this defense,
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like football as a whole, I felt like slowed down
so much to me because I had to learned like
real coverages. But on the back end of it, trying
to learn this defense, I had to like double up
on what the offense was gonna do because like rookie year,
you know, trying to learn this playbook, it took a while.
So it was like, man, my assignment, I may be
a little foggy, but as long as I know what
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the offense is gonna do, like I'll be in the
right spot, like I'll be good. So I kind of
took like a double mindset thing my rookie year where
it was like I just packed myself with so much.
So then last year, coming in knew the defense, I
was like cool, got that out the way, And so
it was just like, what is these offenses gonna give me?
Like what is the receiver gonna give me? No studying,
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like all these things just to be right. And I
felt like over these past two years that's why the
last Super Bowl I felt like I did so good
because it was just like I put so much pressure
on myself that when it got to that moment it
was easy.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, it didn't look easy. I mean I know how
hard it is, especially playing in that slot. I'm too
tall to be in that slot too often. But you
went snead like it. I couldn't figure out what you guys,
whether it's matchups because when you guys play Miami, there
was times he was in the slot with Tyree and
you were outside, or you know, vice versa, and you
(06:12):
you know what I mean, I couldn't tell if y'all
matching them or if it's just coverage dictating them. But
it really didn't matter. How tough was it losing Snead.
Obviously this stuff is out of your control. And I'm
not trying to get you to say nothing controversial, but
when you've been in the secondary together and you have
that chemistry and that brotherhood, to lose your brother, even
when they get paid and you're happy for him, you're like, man,
that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yup, yup, that was min Welcome to the NFL. You know,
no matter what, it's a business. And we loved LJ
over here, you know, four years here. I mean he
was that soul of the defense where he was a vet.
He was here the longest, Like everybody learned the defense
through Snead because Jay Reed was new when he came in,
all the rookies were new, and so LJ was like
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that guy. You know, everybody looked up to him, like
how we supposed to do these things. He's set that standard.
And obviously you know he got paid, he's doing this thing.
Like we're really happy for him, but you know, you
got to miss him either? Are those dudes you see
every single day I saw him the past two years,
Maybe two months out of the year I didn't see him.
You know, super Bowl goes long and then OTA started
up quick. But yeah, you know you miss him. You
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wish out for him. But definitely those dudes that I
got to give a lot of credit to just teach
me how this chiefs and just how to be a
DV in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
What what what is the secret sauce in there? You
know you come from you dub and you guys had
a good program. Y'all want some games when you're there,
but you get here and Kansasy just got the formula
right now. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I'm
not in the building. Everybody playing music yet practice, everybody
got vibes. But you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes and Spags
and Andy Reid are a big factor. But what what
(07:45):
what what do you feel like is the secret sauce
to the success?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think it's the mindset. I mean, you look at
the game we just had against Atlanta and Rocky game.
You know they did good things. We did bad things
flags all over the field, And ever since I been here,
it's like truly nobody is phased by anything. Like super
Bowl we went down ten points, fourteen points against the Eagles.
(08:10):
Not a single person better than not not a single
person held his head down. And I feel like, for
me personally, like that helps so much because so many
things the game is emotional. You know, Sundays you're down,
you know you're upset, things are going your way, and
to be able to look over and see dude and
just like you good, Like what's your tripping for? Like
we got you, like keep doing your game. Like that
(08:32):
confidence boost that you get internally, man, that has allowed
us to just soar over the moon because like I said,
literally nobody is in there talking back to each other.
Oh you're supposed to do this to that, it's just
like my bed, that's on me. I'm gonna go get
it right. So like that accountability on this defense and
shoot throughout the whole team. Huge.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's awesome. That's awesome to here man, that because that's
that's good culture. That's good culture. No matter who you
inject into that, they gonna buy in. Because your top players,
you know, I want to talk about Chris Jones because
regardless of all the good things they say about him.
I don't think he gets enough credit, that boy getting
the playoffs and wreck literally every game. I mean he
(09:12):
wrecked the Niners at the end of that game, the
last play. He First off, you don't block Chris Jones
if there's nothing else I'm doing. When I come up
with a play we got the end of the game,
I'm a block ninety five, or I'm gonna try to
I'm gonna throw three bodies at him and try to
slow him down to But talk about his impact and
how it is playing with a guy like that who's
just a generational talent, and you're the generational talent yourself.
(09:35):
I mean, all pro so early in your career.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Man, I love it, especially on the back end. One
you know that ball can come out because nine to
five gonna be there, and so the quarterback not just
gonna be back there patent, But he's one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
My favorite thing to say about Chris Jones is he's
like the energy and the positivity that he has every
single day. Like I think that goes very unnoticed. Like
we are in Super Bowl, it's third quarter, we're down
a little bit, we're tired, tough, Chris Jones is in
that huddle popping jokes like dudes is generally like I
genuinely have laughed so hard during the game because of
(10:10):
Chris Jones that like I look back and just be like,
ain't no way, Like I'm so locked in like tunnel vision,
like this is the game. And then he over here
cracking a joke like I'm laughing, like forgetting you know,
it's just still football, like this is a kid's game,
and he brings that to the team that, oh, man,
like you, I wouldn't give that up for anything, Like
when you got somebody who genuinely like makes it fun, Oh,
(10:33):
it makes everything so much easy. And you know he
gonna get to the quarterback. You know they got a
double team. I'm like one nickel. It opened up the
run game for me because I know two dudes are
gonna put hands on him, so I can just run through.
And like you said in the past, game like he
gonna be disruptive, and so whether I'm blitzening when I'm
playing uh man and man coverage like they always gotta
look up for ninety five. So it kind of allows
you to do a little more things on the back
(10:54):
end disguised and stuff that has allowed our defense to
just be so great.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And well, you know, for the casual fans out there
watching the run game fits he's talking about to try
to simplify. When he's out there in a slot receiver
garden two, there's a gap between the end and the
tackle that he's responsible for. It's the B gap or
the three gap on offense or four or whatever you
guys want to call it. But if the guard pulls,
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then he got to go to another gap further down
the line. If it's run away, you guys might have
a or run comes to you, you might have to
turn back or speel, et cetera, et cetera. So all
this is happening while he has to diagnose run pass, Like, hey,
you got to figure out if it's pass first. If
it's pass, you got to guard your man. You got
different responsibilities. But if it's a run, you've got to
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make a quick, split second decision to get in there.
You don't get the chance to think about how big
the back is, if the pulling guards three hundred and
fifty pounds, if if this is gonna hurt or not,
you just got to get in there and make a
play and that is what you've done, and that's what
what allowed you to be special. Man. What happened the
other night on that PI I they gave you back? Boy,
(12:01):
I tell you this league is just it's getting hard.
It's getting hard to play corner.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm telling you. I ran off the field and said, coach,
I'm about to start guarding these series with no hands,
like we can't do nothing no more. Man, Really, you
can't do nothing, no mod.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's tough. And people are like, did you hear that
take where Kiper said, oh, they need to ban too
high because it's getting to her. I said, like, it's
hard enough.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Facts, facts, y'all hearing cover zero you feel me and
just head tops all day? That's all. That's all they
want to see.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Bro, You beat them to the spot, like if you
If I can't beat them to the spot and on
my ground, then I can't play like. That was anticipation,
That was route recognition, that was film study, all that,
and y'all punishing me because it's due because I knew.
I knew it was coming. He could have ran a
round inside and beat me, but I knew it was
going outside. I went out there. That was a great
(12:56):
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lowest price guaranteed. Now let's talk about that Super Bowl
because obviously Sneid has been a big name and big
but when you've gotten that Super Bowl that you had
great coverage against BA, you had great coverage against d Bowl,
That big post and the end zone was obviously a
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big play everybody talks about. But you had that third
and four tackle on Kittle that was huge. Walk me
through that play.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Man, that George Kittle play. You know, watching that film again,
it's crazy to watch it, because that whole play, I
think it run immediately man and man George Kittle he
blocked down, so I'm gonna take the air out, set
the edge. I'm thinking runs coming, and he's sneaky. He
got out of there. I didn't even see him. I've
seen the quarterback roll out, and I was like, okay,
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they're only two things. Either he's looking right at George Kittle,
who's out here because I don't know where he went,
or he's looking down the field. So in my head,
I'm just like, let me just match George as fast
as I can get to him. Let me just match
him to limit how many yarts you can get. And
Man ran right to him through right to George, exactly
what I thought made the tackle. And you know, in
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the Super Bowl, you don't really like have a lot
of time to think.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like, oh what just happening?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Popped up like I got to get back to the huddle,
and I was like cool, Like as long as he
didn't get no first down, as long as he didn't
get a twenty yard big game, like, I can live
with that. And I had to read two things and
let me just make sure I get him down on
that ground.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That was a great play. Brother, Yeah, that's great play.
Another great player I want to talk about. And I
know I don't know if you saw the clip of CJ.
Stroud telling Jaylen Johnson, don't be giving you a secret way.
I'm not trying to get you, see, I just like
to talk a ball and we get into it. So
don't don't give away no secrets or nothing. Got but
but that play and you made a heck of a play.
(15:27):
And I tried to analyze it, but I'm not in
y'all film room. I don't know what to coverage you'all
call in. I just know what it looked like to me.
It was against Baltimore the fourth down you came off
and as a corner in me what it looked like.
And it was a hell of a play by you.
And it was a hell of a read. It looked
like y'all might have been in.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
They were in a weird wall though, look with Za
Flowers in the backfield, so Watson couldn't find him, so
he lined up on the other side, thinking they're in
a big, big, big guy set. Justin got kind of
confused and saw Flowers and tried to go get Watson
and put him in the spot and then they snapped
the ball. Yep. And I don't know if y'all were
in Man. I think y'all were in Man. And people
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don't understand how hard it is to cover a receiver
and make sure he's not running a route and then
still pop back to the edge and keep contained. Yeah,
so it looked like you just were so aware that
you popped and saw it happening quick and just popped
out and just instinct yup.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's funny because that whole game I was I was
traveling to say so like right verse was whatever side
of the field he was out to that side. And
during that play right before you'll see like the corners
line up late because they break the huddle real fast.
Me and Jayen Watson are like where do we go?
He starts running to the left. I'm like, Jay, just
go to the right, like usually when everything breaks down
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as run to left, few runs the right. Boom done
easy And we get there and they came out the formation.
It was really a cover four, but our cover four
it turns in the man real quick, especially national yard,
and I just remember the receiver just skipped off. Anytime
that happens. I'm like, okay, something I right. You feel me.
You're not going deep like you're either gonna do a
little anything. And that's why I just see Lamar. I
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didn't even see za yet. I still haven't seen Zay.
I seen Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Keep it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm like, okay, read option, let me go set this
edge again. And out of a corner of my eye,
I just see a black helmet flash and I'm like,
something right, you know what I mean, Like, say, hasn't
been seen yet? Like something not right? What's going on?
And I knew. I knew Jay reed was over here,
so I know he's flown always. He's a come down,
hit you in the face type of guy. So I
was like, this receiver runs, like I know Jay Reeve
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gonna be able to the top, so take that. And
that's when I just seen Zack and I was like, man,
I seen Lamar throw the ball trigger. And after that play,
I still everyone's like, how'd you know? How'd you know?
I was like I didn't. Like that's when those things
were in. The play just came and I was in
the right spot. Like sometimes in football you get lucky
in that play.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I got lucky that wasn't luck that one bro that
was that looked like you. That looked pure instincts to me,
because so many people in that exact same situation would
be like, nah, I don't know you know what I mean,
they're not shooting the gun. They're like, what if it ain't?
You didn't have no what I nah? You said fourth
and two? You feel me? Fourth to two?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Coach always hays fourth and two, shoot your gun? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You missed.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I got my boys on the back end. That's always
say my safety. They gonna know. I always tell them
you gotta get me because I'm shooting no matter what.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Too.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Too is through that whole.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right, ask, ask questions later exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's what I grew up playing football. Hit something you
see a color. You may be wrong, it's something. Bro,
you got your first all pro. Tell me how good
that felt?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was recognized like that. That was a beautiful feeling,
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
One.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That was my first time in my entire life playing nickel.
I spent hours trying to perfectic Like one that was
like a okay, like you did exactly what you want
to do in that nickel. But another thing was just
like being recognized by others. You know, I'm one of
those guys quiet social media, like I don't need a
lot of praise, Like everything I do is what I do.
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And just having my teammates, I mean, people from other
teams like recognize that. That was a cool experience. I
think I ever experienced something where everybody else's all at
once saying you're that guy. So for me, it was
a little confidence boost. But also it was like, Okay,
now I got to turn it up even more low key.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, and you you got to you gotta show that
it was right, Like, hey, you said you got it right,
Like I already showed the Kansas City Chiefs they got
it right. I showed y'all I'm all pro. But now
I'm gonna show y'all like I'm one of them for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And it's a perfect scheme. Talk me through your draft
day what you expected to go high? I mean, you,
y y'all boys had dogs out there, y y'all, y'all
court if y'all ain't DBU, y'all corner you for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I like that. That's funny, man.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It was out in California, didn't get invited to Vegas
my year.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So I in.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
California, got a hotel, had the whole family there, and
it's funny. My agent was and he was like, you know,
you're going first round, first round. But I was just
like my gut was like you'll probably slip. Like nobody
you know, I always just you're gonna slip. So I
remember first night, I was just like, let's just kick it, like,
let's hang loose, let's have fun, let's enjoy being here together,
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like turn it on. I wasn't stressing it all. Talk
to the family, this and that, and I remember the
rounds just kept taking taking. Everybody was getting stressed, and
I was like, y'all, it's all right, Like as long
as we make it to the league. We made it,
like it don't matter where we go. As long as
they get me on the team we could. And I
remember my phone went off. I seen Kansas City. I
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was like, that's crazy. You never talked to him once,
like not thing during the draft, and picked it up,
ran outside to nobody just all a sudden, Trump was gone, disappear,
you know what I mean, just gone. I'm talking talking.
My sister comes out like who's that. I'm like KC.
Then my agent found out. And it's funny because I
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was still on the phone when they now on the
TV and I'm outside talking, you know, ball bar. At
this point I appreciate it and just the place Steve
rupts and I'm like, oh wait, hold on, let me
go back inside, let me go celebrate, and I'll come
talk to you later. So that's why when you see it,
I'm not even on the couch, Like, I'm not even
in the room. I'm coming out from outside because I like,
as soon as they said your draft, I was like
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cool and then got strained the ball like okay, well
about this defense, like where you see me this and that?
So man, I just think back to that, like yo,
like all these didtings. You look and everybody's on the TV,
you know, on the couch hugging their mom and stuff.
Nah I was. I was walking back in, like my bad,
I missed my spot, miss my line life. But it's cool.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You're getting plenty of it right now. Speaking of lime
in life, tell me about your first Super Bowl experience.
Just I didn't been to three of them. My homes
took one. They took one from me. And Tom took
the other one from me. I got peyton stuff. I
took well, they didn't get me no easy route to
the super Bowl watch. That's fine, But tell me about
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that experience because I know throughout that week it's so different.
It's such a different week, especially when you get to
the to the location that it's at, how crazy everything is,
or all the interviews, all the media, the practice facilities
are different, and then going to your first one versus
going to your second one when you know what to expect.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, man, that's that right there, that ending when you
said the first one compared the second one, because that
was a big difference. I remember a rookie year. I
was hurt for half the year, so like my season
then starts like halfway through. So okay, y'all still a
little fresh, you know what I mean, we're a little
banged up. I'm like, I'm good. I just got back
out here and in Arizona. Loved Arizona, and as rookie,
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I felt like I went out a lot more like
I was like, oh, let me go to the mall,
you know, let me go see the family. Like we
had a whole week. I was like, man, I cannot
can see the film, you know, like really two weeks
seem to think about it because you got that week
and then the whole nother one. So I was like,
you know, I finished finished film like the week before,
So I'm gonna go and draw myself in Arizona, dinner's
all this stuff. And we get to the game and
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let up my first big touchdown ever, you know, big
bomb A J. Brown have it always that will always
be with me had it didn't play it right then,
it turned my head. And to this day, after that play,
I felt like that's what really like made me me
because after that, like all the fears, all the anxiety,
everything is.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
A deep and getting worse than that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Man, I'm like, this is the super Bowl, like biggest
stage everybody watching. Let up a bomb. That's gonna be
highlights all the time. And so I was like at
that point, stop thinking, stop stretching, stop worrying, just go
play your ball. And one super Bowl came down to
the very end like one by three points, which was crazy.
(23:45):
After parties were all cool all that, you know, just
the whole experience was I feel like fast for me
rookie year, Like I still like you people ask me like, oh,
like there's still like blank spots because it was just
so much was going on in my head. And then
fast forward to last year and going out to Vegas.
We're one, we've already played there before, so the hotels
kind of like the fights, everything's a little more. You
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kind of know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Right their divisional opponents, so you know, like, yeah, we
kind of used to being in Vegas, and I remembering,
did y'all go did they let y'all use y'all different facilities? Yeah,
that's crazy. See when we when we got to the
super Bowl in Arizona, we were supposed to be the
home team, so we were supposed to use Arizona's facilities.
They said we couldn't use their facilities because we're a
division opponent and they didn't want us send their buildings,
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So we had to go to Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And that's where we were. We're moving the state too,
which was cool. But yeah, User Raider's facilities which was amazing.
Fields was nice, use all the cold tubs, all these things,
and I just felt like everything slowed down, like when
that first of all real fast. This time, I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna make a plan because one is Vegas. You
(24:53):
can get lost in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Just like that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, they had a hotel like forty five minutes
off the strip, so if you wanted to even go,
I was I was like, I'm not about to send
the car for forty five minutes. Just yeah, you know
what I mean. Off season right around the corner. But
I remember like every night I would go back to
the hotel. We'd have a little meetings, and we'd have
like from six to whenever. Our curfew was like you
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got off and I would genuinely go back in that
room for two three hours, sit there and just watch film, study, study, study,
and man, when it came to game time, there was
zero thinking. There was just I was ready at that time.
I was just like, can we play, Like I'm so
tired of seeing stan Fran, I'm so tired of talking
about fan Like, let's just go play the game. And man,
(25:39):
like you said, you've seen it, everything just clicked, like
I knew what they were gonna do every single play.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, brought it feels good.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Oh it's crazy.
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played Peyton, I mean even when we played Tom, we
knew what they were gonna do. You know it came down.
We were just so beat up in Tom's Super Bowl
that it was just like we couldn't move. Cam had
a Grade two MCL that he got the night before
the game. Like we're on a Saturday walkthrough. He's as
healthy as Earl has a AC joint tear or laboram tear.
(26:52):
My elbow, I have a torn UCL. Like we're just
banged up going to this game, but campus relatively healthy.
So we're like, okay, at least he's gonna be a
deal with Gronk. We're in a Saturday walkthrough doing goal line,
go line, and they sub the corners out and then
because the Patriots like to like pop out, they used
to pop their tight ends out and getting the gun
(27:13):
and throw fades or slants to Gronk. And so we're like, hey,
we're gonna practice this play. Cam go out there, guard
Gronk and it's supposed to walk through, but for some reason,
we've never done this in the history of our play.
They wanted to buzz the linebacker out under the slant,
so Cam only had to worry about the And Cam's like, bro',
(27:33):
I'm a all pro like this lead me be like,
let me work. You don't need to do this. So
they say, yeah, we're doing it, So they do it.
So Malcolm Smith is buzzing out Cam's guarding. Malcolm buzz
is full speed into Cam's knee. No bang, Bro, you
could hear a pin drop at that practice. We're like,
there's no f and wait, it's just happened like this
(27:56):
is Saturday.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, I know mentally that oh jo Ja
that he killed everything.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
He killed everything, and you're sitting there like, bro, you
don't know if he gonna even play like this day
before the Super Bowl, and you like, we wake up
the next day, we don't. We don't. I don't think
he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's crazy, bro.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He did a bunch of treatment, prayer, put a knee
braces on, played in the super Bowl like towards mcla.
They're just super boll Man and we just didn't have it.
Then we are Nickel, as you know how hard it
is to switch stuff up. In the Super Bowl, we
played with the same line and for a long time.
We get all into the Super Bowl. Our Nickel gets
a pick, picks Tom and cover two. The first drive
(28:37):
of the game in the red zone. Books like like,
we're feeling good. He's on the return, woo woo woo
doing his thing. Haear's his a cl breaks his arm
out the game. And so after that we had to
move our other corner who hadn't played Nickel in like
a long time, to the Nickel and then a corner
who wasn't expecting to play. And I don't think really
really studied the game, you know what I mean. He
(28:58):
wasn't like studying like he was gonna like, which is
probably our fault. We probably should have been more oning,
but you know, you we locked in right, but but
they scored three touchdowns on him.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's tough. Which after party was the best.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Vegas E Gottamy Vegas they had? Yeah, yeah, Vegas was jumping.
We like walked in this back you know when no
weady realizes like after the game, everybody's still on the butt,
like the team is still like traveling together. So like
they take everybody to this after party, so we get off.
We in like the back line. If we go through
(29:40):
this metal dwarf, like everybody's like where are we? Like,
what is this about to be?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You got his side. Yeah, you was like, okay, yeah,
this is what it is.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I see what y'all doing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So what who do you think? Who did you study
coming up? Because you know, we two different body sides.
So I wouldn't take it as no disrespect. You said
you didn't watch it a bit of my.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Take, that's funny, and you do. Jimmy Lake, he had
this shirm tech. We called it the shirm Tech, like
it was part of our everyday eeds. We had the
soft shoe, which was motorile. We had the regular just
stab pier step and then we had the Shirm tech
bro which was the quick JA and get your hands on.
So growing up like you know you was definitely one
(30:25):
of those corners where I was like, if I want
to learn how to just get my hands on, be physical,
like cover to cover four like that dude he was
on there. Charles Woodson was a big time Raider fan
and man play both corner safety. So like watching him
grow up, That's why I'm always like, coach, throw me
(30:45):
in Nickels safety. I'll do anything because I see him
do it. And then Darrell Reeves like, y'all three, that's
how I learned. That's how I learned.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
dB. That's three.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, like technique, attitude, ball like like that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
How many career interceptions do you think Charles Woodson had?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Just off the top of your head, thirty twenty plus,
twenty plus Charles Wilson.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'm about to blow your mind. This is how crazy
the game has changed and how great Charles Woodson is.
Sixty five sixty five boy, sixty five sixty five. That's
what I'm talking about, Like we've lost perspective on like
how great these dudes was. Dion had like fifty three,
Champailey fifty two. Like these dudes is that's who I
(31:37):
was chasing when I was in my career. Me and
Dion both had thirty at six years and I was like,
I got to get to fifty and then you know,
injuries and they stopped throwing it and I stopped getting outs.
But I end up with forty one. But it sixty five.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's yeah. See, like growing up like it was always defense.
It was one, you gotta hit two, you gotta get
a turn on, like I don't got to pick in
the league yet, And that's something that boy, when I
say I'm hungry, I'm going after that fall. Like last year,
I had what five forced fumbles. It was like, all
(32:13):
good job. I'm like, bro, that's that's cool. You know, yeah,
you know game change and play. But if you're dB,
you want the ball man, like I want six.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
So that's yeah, that's I'm gonna move this camera a
little bit so you can see some of them. But
I got them everywhere. Boy, yeah, I have to.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's that's works for. That's what we worked for.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I say, I say, you picked, I picked this ball.
You ain't getting it back, but it's going on the
shelf like thanks, my son will play with this one.
So I got look, I got Tim's, I got Aarons.
Those are the only ones I put somewhere else because
you get them boys, they gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Greaty people getting them boys.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's your top receivers in the league,
Because there's a difference between what the fans think and
what the public thinks versus I gotta stand in front
of you. I gotta deal with your crazy releases. I
gotta study your tape and stress. And there's only a
couple receivers that like when you've seen you, you adn't
gonna get a chance to play Megatron, but it's a
different kind of stress.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I've seen them highlights.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I seen them and the coach is coming up to
you like, hey, we're thinking about doing this vice coverage. Bro.
If you don't get out of my face, hey yeah,
you look, take me off the field, you do that.
I don't need to be out there. I hear that.
You gotta show me.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah yeah, man, who I got up there Davante for
show one the VET just savvy, you know what I mean?
Like my rookie year last year, just watching them play
like he he may don't have the burners no more
like Tyreek kil blow bass passed to you. But that
almost like makes it even harder because now you don't
know the temple of his routes. And that's where good receiver.
(34:00):
That's what a lot of people the temple of a route everything.
So Davante, hands down, that's one. I'm the raw Saint
brown okay mentality, Like I'm a big dude with receivers.
I'm like a receiver who is gonna throw his head
in there, who's gonna block you, who's gonna be aggressive,
who's gonna run the route every single play like you
(34:22):
barely see him come out the game. That's the dude
I like, because that's how you know you're gonna he
gonna line up against you every play, every play. So
those are like my big ones and another little sleeper.
Let me think of some sleepers I'll give you.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, I'm gonna give you guys on your team. Because
la Jerry Snead looked like I mean not not Snead
uh uh she for she Yeah sorry, I apologie, no
disrespect for shell, but but he looked like an issue.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Man, and like last year, he he like showed out,
you know what I mean. He was showing little signs
where you're like, Okay, this dude can be something. But
this year, I don't know what it is. That man
is on a mission. Like he comes into work locked
in and he had practice full speed. Like I watched
him sense OTA's now and been like, Dawn, Yeah, what
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you're doing. Whatever you're doing mentally physically, boy, you got it.
He is on the right track. And you can see
it Pat where Pat go to a seven up?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
There?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Foh his next low? Because he gonna be there. He
gonna be there. He's consistent. And that's my big thing
about the league receiver dB, anybody out here. Your consistency,
I feel like it's everything. Someone who is just consistent
each week. He ain't got to be the best dude
out there. He ain't got to be the biggest, strongest.
Someone who's consistent. Man, those are the dudes who are
(35:41):
dangerous because they gonna do the perfect technique. They will
do the right thing every time, and you better be
on your game because they gonna do it every time.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, and I saw you baptizing the young boy worthy
in training camp. But you know, we don't see a
lot of stuff. You just see the clips unless you
got to go all the way y'all practice, but it
looked like ya, they showed a few on ones and
then you know you were doing your thing. But he
looks like he's gonna be good eventually. But you know
you are savvy vet down.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I mean, especially training camp like a rookie. That's I
feel like that's when a VET can like really teach
her young and like this is how it is, Like
I know when I was a rookie, I came in
and like Juju was the first one, like first first
couple of plays, my first practice, J call one hander
and I'm like, yo, I ain't never high school college,
(36:28):
Like I ain't never see someone will just go up
one hander on me. So I was like it kind
of just gets you in that mindset of this is
the pros, like this is real now, like these are
dudes who are hungry, like truly have families, so x
I mean, I'm excited for him, like truly, I think
I think you see a little stuff like I said
(36:48):
about Rashid Rice last year, Like you see the little stuff,
but once he really gets into his bad, like once
he's comfortable in the system. Man, he got speeding now
like on these videos, yeah, you see me keeping up
with them, but that's because I do want to. I'm
not a scrimmage. If you don't touch that, man, why
it's a long day. There's gonna be a long day.
(37:10):
We said that training camp this past year, all the
dv's is like, we are like truly attract me. Like
every day your legs hurt, good luck, it's a long
day because them boys is burning. When we had Hollywood man,
I know he got hurt, but when he was in
training camp, the boys rolling, man rolling.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, that's why people are like you ran four or five? Like,
how were you eleiting the league? I said, because I
ain't letting them runs wholl three exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That get them hands on, you'll be good hands.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Tell me something about because everybody Patrick gets all the
credit he obviously deserves. He in a different realm, of
different stratosphere than any other quarterback in the league, including
Iggy Josh. Allen is probably as close as anybody can get.
But tell me something they don't know about him because
he's a he. I mean, I enjoyed playing against the
super We played him, We held him in check, relatively
(38:02):
in check for most of that game, and then seven
minutes to go, he showed you why he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame and you got a lot of
respect for what he was able to do and what
he's done in his career. But tell me something that
impressed you coming in because you came in when he's
already he got to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's yeah, yeah, man. My My favorite story last year
against the Chargers. They were at our place and Travis
Kelce random gig ran a dig back in the end zone.
Easy touchdown. Everyone's like easy, Mahomes came back because where
the dB sit is the same place quarterback sits, so
(38:39):
every time you know they score, he comes sit right
next door. Is that's what we go out? And he
was like, man, Trapp didn't run the right route, Like, man,
Trapp didn't do that right at all. Like I just
threw it knowing he was there, and like it went
over a lot of people's head. But I was like,
wait a second. First off, when you look at that
play the boss out trap Haven looked at Trap ran
the dig just knew he was gonna run it, And
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to me, that was like, this is why you're that good,
like when you he truly knows what each one on
that field is gonna do, whether it's the right route,
whether it's the wrong route, whatever, however he knows it.
Like I've seen this man just throw the ball and
it wasn't even like a play call that he had,
Like he just threw it because he was like, Yeah,
I knew he was gonna do that with that that leverage.
(39:23):
And I was like, man, like, how deep I don't
even know how much studying that will have to take
to know that your receiver on a post play may
run the corner because of a split and I'm gonna
throw it on time because I know he's gonna do it.
Like to me, that's when I said, oh, you're your
way way, Like people ain't catching that because that was different.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, right, that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, you can't teach that. I don't know what you
would call that.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
You can't teach it, you can't coach it. You can't
sit there and talk about it in the in the
build move like hey if he over here, because in
the heat of the moment, like a lot of bullets flying.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, nothing's perfect in the game of football.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Office.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And so when you got somebody who can clean it
up just off of just knowing what the players coming through. Man, Man,
and we played, we go against it for a whole
month in training camp, and that whole month is the
most annoying month ever. Bro. Like, I'm telling y'all have
perfect coverage. Like I'm like, no way, he throws this
(40:24):
ball to this receiver like place dead ball out of nowhere.
I'm like, man, And that's when I learned, like you
can never not think the balls to me, like Patrick
Mahomes truly scarding me in the NFL because I'm like,
at any play, this ball can come because I've seen
it pass.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
If you beat you know the balls there?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, oh yeah, one step. If I see what step,
I'm like, oh damn, like that I could do.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Literally, who are your top outside of yourself? Because your resume,
your tape says you want the top corners outside. I
think certain is c bro teach tape tech. I agree,
clean as it gets, But who were your top guys?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Definitely pascertained. He definitely gotta be out there, like you said,
just it's he's just flawless. I got l J. Snead
up there m h I got Jay up there.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And you see his book the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah the hitch, I said, Oh, which I am too.
He waiting on that. Thank you, bro. Like that's way
too easy, way too easy. But another dog that is
a sleeper can Taylor brit from the Bengals sleeper now,
(41:42):
Like this is my third year. We came at the
same time. Like I watched his game a little bit,
and man, just the more times I watch him, I'm like, dude,
is sweet. He had a nice little one hand against us. Yeah,
you know, he did his thing, But man, just when
you keep watching that cat, like the closing speed, the
play recognition, like his man the man sticky and I
(42:04):
always like a sticky corner, someone who's just on him
across the field. He's one of those dudes that when
I look at his tape, I'm like, yeah, you got
my nod brother.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, no question. He's They just getting him so much.
Like I hate this, like society were in because they
trying to get him for these like sound bites and
all this other stuff and like overshadow his game, like
he said the stuff he said before y'all game and
then went out there and one hand booked it like
give him credit for what he did. Now they're like,
they're like, oh see you said that about Jaydon Daniels.
(42:34):
Now look he beat you. Now what it's like, I
mean gun shooters get shot too. I mean you think
he gonna go in there and say, we don't expect
to win this game.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Like he's yeah, yeah, like we like like they always say,
but she was getting paid to bro like.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Happens. Stuff happens. Well, I ain't gonna hold you. I
noticed your time off. I'm enjoying this conversationiate no doubt. Yeah, yeah.
If you got any quest for me or anything else
you want to talk about, I'm happy to keep going,
but I want to respect your time.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, I appreciate it, big dog. I appreciate it. Thanks
for having me here.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
And thanks you, thanks for being on and maybe I'll
get you again, you know, after you get your first book,
because I'm gonna be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Let's do it, we me and you both. Look, I'm
gonna have that ball right next to me to sleep
with it that night. Probably he never do not give
it back. Oh yeah, no, not at all.
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All right, man, next you go. Welcome back to the
Richard Sherman Podcast. We got an incredible guest, one of
the best corners in the National Football League and All
Pro and Trent McDuffie. I've been watching him since he
was at you Dub and they were strapping and now
he's doing it with the Kansas City Chiefs. Been in
the league two years. Got two rings on his finger
(02:20):
that you can't buy in the stores.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How you doing, brother, I'm doing good, my man. Glad
to be on here.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad to have you'all. Appreciate you joining me.
How you feel this season is going. Obviously, you guys
have been at some tight games. I mean, Fince you've
been there. This defense has been elite, especially in his secondary.
I mean, you lost Legeriu Sneid, but you Watson Sneid, obviously,
Jay Reid, y'all have been playing at an elite level.
(02:47):
What about this secondary and the chemistry that you guys
have allows you to play so fast and so well
even in these type ball games.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I mean I think it'll goes back to like
you said, the chemistry, but the mice said of this
back end, you know, coming from U Dub like you said,
I thought our DVU, you know, DV room was really
tight locked in and so like coming to the league,
I was like, yo, like, what's it gonna be about?
Like how the guys in there, what's the coaches? You know,
rules and how we're gonna run things. But ob see
(03:16):
Dave Mayrick, he really let the DVS like control our
own room. And I remember coming in you got LJ. Sneid,
who is a straight dog he's about his business. You
got Jay Reed, who's the vet, savvy vet.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And then it was just a bunch of young guys
and everybody had to come in here and put their
shoulder pads on and realize this is a man's game.
And we did just that, you know what I mean,
Like we came in here and we're like, no matter
what everybody was on that field, you got to handle
your business. And that kind of just been carrying over
these past three years.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So when you when you came in, you knew the expectation,
you knew the standard. But it wasn't like you just
like fit in and you were just like a guy
on a super Bowl team. You were the guy. And
you talk about the Super Bowl. We're gonna talk about
that in a second because I want a deep dive
some of that. You guys, you were strapping, you're trappings.
Be straight up about that, you know, I mean seat
belt and all the rest of the stuff the kids
(04:06):
be doing. But talk about Spags and how different it
is playing in his scheme because he has you all
over the place in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah yeah, man, Spags defense, I think is the hardest
thing I've ever had to learn like corner. I mean
you pick up corner pretty easy. You know, as a
corner you only do so many things. But once I
sat him to that nickel boy, that thing was different.
I mean he has you in the run fit. See,
I know your gaps thirty stands, twenties. You gotta know
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pulling schemes. You gotta know what the quarner of the
back cadence is because you're gonna send you on a blitz.
Think how you play man and Man's zero coverage like
he has one allowed me to do so many things
in football, Like that's kind of football plaria. I'm like,
I like to showcase my talents. Always say, if I
ain't hurting the next day, if I ain't sore, like
I ain't get enough that game, like I have to
do more. But coming in and truly learning this defense,
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like football as a whole, I felt like slowed down
so much to me because I had to learned like
real coverages. But on the back end of it, trying
to learn this defense, I had to like double up
on what the offense was gonna do because like rookie year,
you know, trying to learn this playbook, it took a while.
So it was like, man, my assignment, I may be
a little foggy, but as long as I know what
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the offense is gonna do, like I'll be in the
right spot, like I'll be good. So I kind of
took like a double mindset thing my rookie year where
it was like I just packed myself with so much.
So then last year, coming in knew the defense, I
was like cool, got that out the way, And so
it was just like, what is these offenses gonna give me?
Like what is the receiver gonna give me? No studying,
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like all these things just to be right. And I
felt like over these past two years that's why the
last Super Bowl I felt like I did so good
because it was just like I put so much pressure
on myself that when it got to that moment it
was easy.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, it didn't look easy. I mean I know how
hard it is, especially playing in that slot. I'm too
tall to be in that slot too often. But you
went snead like it. I couldn't figure out what you guys,
whether it's matchups because when you guys play Miami, there
was times he was in the slot with Tyree and
you were outside, or you know, vice versa, and you
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you know what I mean, I couldn't tell if y'all
matching them or if it's just coverage dictating them. But
it really didn't matter. How tough was it losing Snead.
Obviously this stuff is out of your control. And I'm
not trying to get you to say nothing controversial, but
when you've been in the secondary together and you have
that chemistry and that brotherhood, to lose your brother, even
when they get paid and you're happy for him, you're like, man,
that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yup, yup, that was min Welcome to the NFL. You know,
no matter what, it's a business. And we loved LJ
over here, you know, four years here. I mean he
was that soul of the defense where he was a vet.
He was here the longest, Like everybody learned the defense
through Snead because Jay Reed was new when he came in,
all the rookies were new, and so LJ was like
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that guy. You know, everybody looked up to him, like
how we supposed to do these things. He's set that standard.
And obviously you know he got paid, he's doing this thing.
Like we're really happy for him, but you know, you
got to miss him either? Are those dudes you see
every single day I saw him the past two years,
Maybe two months out of the year I didn't see him.
You know, super Bowl goes long and then OTA started
up quick. But yeah, you know you miss him. You
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wish out for him. But definitely those dudes that I
got to give a lot of credit to just teach
me how this chiefs and just how to be a
DV in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
What what what is the secret sauce in there? You
know you come from you dub and you guys had
a good program. Y'all want some games when you're there,
but you get here and Kansasy just got the formula
right now. Yeah, I don't know what it is. I'm
not in the building. Everybody playing music yet practice, everybody
got vibes. But you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes and Spags
and Andy Reid are a big factor. But what what
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what what do you feel like is the secret sauce
to the success?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think it's the mindset. I mean, you look at
the game we just had against Atlanta and Rocky game.
You know they did good things. We did bad things
flags all over the field, And ever since I been here,
it's like truly nobody is phased by anything. Like super
Bowl we went down ten points, fourteen points against the Eagles.
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Not a single person better than not not a single
person held his head down. And I feel like, for
me personally, like that helps so much because so many
things the game is emotional. You know, Sundays you're down,
you know you're upset, things are going your way, and
to be able to look over and see dude and
just like you good, Like what's your tripping for? Like
we got you, like keep doing your game. Like that
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confidence boost that you get internally, man, that has allowed
us to just soar over the moon because like I said,
literally nobody is in there talking back to each other.
Oh you're supposed to do this to that, it's just
like my bed, that's on me. I'm gonna go get
it right. So like that accountability on this defense and
shoot throughout the whole team. Huge.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's awesome. That's awesome to here man, that because that's
that's good culture. That's good culture. No matter who you
inject into that, they gonna buy in. Because your top players,
you know, I want to talk about Chris Jones because
regardless of all the good things they say about him.
I don't think he gets enough credit, that boy getting
the playoffs and wreck literally every game. I mean he
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wrecked the Niners at the end of that game, the
last play. He First off, you don't block Chris Jones
if there's nothing else I'm doing. When I come up
with a play we got the end of the game,
I'm a block ninety five, or I'm gonna try to
I'm gonna throw three bodies at him and try to
slow him down to But talk about his impact and
how it is playing with a guy like that who's
just a generational talent, and you're the generational talent yourself.
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I mean, all pro so early in your career.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Man, I love it, especially on the back end. One
you know that ball can come out because nine to
five gonna be there, and so the quarterback not just
gonna be back there patent, But he's one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
My favorite thing to say about Chris Jones is he's
like the energy and the positivity that he has every
single day. Like I think that goes very unnoticed. Like
we are in Super Bowl, it's third quarter, we're down
a little bit, we're tired, tough, Chris Jones is in
that huddle popping jokes like dudes is generally like I
genuinely have laughed so hard during the game because of
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Chris Jones that like I look back and just be like,
ain't no way, Like I'm so locked in like tunnel vision,
like this is the game. And then he over here
cracking a joke like I'm laughing, like forgetting you know,
it's just still football, like this is a kid's game,
and he brings that to the team that, oh, man,
like you, I wouldn't give that up for anything, Like
when you got somebody who genuinely like makes it fun, Oh,
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it makes everything so much easy. And you know he
gonna get to the quarterback. You know they got a
double team. I'm like one nickel. It opened up the
run game for me because I know two dudes are
gonna put hands on him, so I can just run through.
And like you said in the past, game like he
gonna be disruptive, and so whether I'm blitzening when I'm
playing uh man and man coverage like they always gotta
look up for ninety five. So it kind of allows
you to do a little more things on the back
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end disguised and stuff that has allowed our defense to
just be so great.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And well, you know, for the casual fans out there
watching the run game fits he's talking about to try
to simplify. When he's out there in a slot receiver
garden two, there's a gap between the end and the
tackle that he's responsible for. It's the B gap or
the three gap on offense or four or whatever you
guys want to call it. But if the guard pulls,
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then he got to go to another gap further down
the line. If it's run away, you guys might have
a or run comes to you, you might have to
turn back or speel, et cetera, et cetera. So all
this is happening while he has to diagnose run pass, Like, hey,
you got to figure out if it's pass first. If
it's pass, you got to guard your man. You got
different responsibilities. But if it's a run, you've got to
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make a quick, split second decision to get in there.
You don't get the chance to think about how big
the back is, if the pulling guards three hundred and
fifty pounds, if if this is gonna hurt or not,
you just got to get in there and make a
play and that is what you've done, and that's what
what allowed you to be special. Man. What happened the
other night on that PI I they gave you back? Boy,
(12:01):
I tell you this league is just it's getting hard.
It's getting hard to play corner.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm telling you. I ran off the field and said, coach,
I'm about to start guarding these series with no hands,
like we can't do nothing no more. Man, Really, you
can't do nothing, no mod.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's tough. And people are like, did you hear that
take where Kiper said, oh, they need to ban too
high because it's getting to her. I said, like, it's
hard enough.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Facts, facts, y'all hearing cover zero you feel me and
just head tops all day? That's all. That's all they
want to see.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Bro, You beat them to the spot, like if you
If I can't beat them to the spot and on
my ground, then I can't play like. That was anticipation,
That was route recognition, that was film study, all that,
and y'all punishing me because it's due because I knew.
I knew it was coming. He could have ran a
round inside and beat me, but I knew it was
going outside. I went out there. That was a great
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lowest price guaranteed. Now let's talk about that Super Bowl
because obviously Sneid has been a big name and big
but when you've gotten that Super Bowl that you had
great coverage against BA, you had great coverage against d Bowl,
That big post and the end zone was obviously a
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big play everybody talks about. But you had that third
and four tackle on Kittle that was huge. Walk me
through that play.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Man, that George Kittle play. You know, watching that film again,
it's crazy to watch it, because that whole play, I
think it run immediately man and man George Kittle he
blocked down, so I'm gonna take the air out, set
the edge. I'm thinking runs coming, and he's sneaky. He
got out of there. I didn't even see him. I've
seen the quarterback roll out, and I was like, okay,
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they're only two things. Either he's looking right at George Kittle,
who's out here because I don't know where he went,
or he's looking down the field. So in my head,
I'm just like, let me just match George as fast
as I can get to him. Let me just match
him to limit how many yarts you can get. And
Man ran right to him through right to George, exactly
what I thought made the tackle. And you know, in
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the Super Bowl, you don't really like have a lot
of time to think.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Like, oh what just happening?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Popped up like I got to get back to the huddle,
and I was like cool, Like as long as he
didn't get no first down, as long as he didn't
get a twenty yard big game, like, I can live
with that. And I had to read two things and
let me just make sure I get him down on
that ground.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That was a great play. Brother, Yeah, that's great play.
Another great player I want to talk about. And I
know I don't know if you saw the clip of CJ.
Stroud telling Jaylen Johnson, don't be giving you a secret way.
I'm not trying to get you, see, I just like
to talk a ball and we get into it. So
don't don't give away no secrets or nothing. Got but
but that play and you made a heck of a play.
(15:27):
And I tried to analyze it, but I'm not in
y'all film room. I don't know what to coverage you'all
call in. I just know what it looked like to me.
It was against Baltimore the fourth down you came off
and as a corner in me what it looked like.
And it was a hell of a play by you.
And it was a hell of a read. It looked
like y'all might have been in.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
They were in a weird wall though, look with Za
Flowers in the backfield, so Watson couldn't find him, so
he lined up on the other side, thinking they're in
a big, big, big guy set. Justin got kind of
confused and saw Flowers and tried to go get Watson
and put him in the spot and then they snapped
the ball. Yep. And I don't know if y'all were
in Man. I think y'all were in Man. And people
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don't understand how hard it is to cover a receiver
and make sure he's not running a route and then
still pop back to the edge and keep contained. Yeah,
so it looked like you just were so aware that
you popped and saw it happening quick and just popped
out and just instinct yup.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's funny because that whole game I was I was
traveling to say so like right verse was whatever side
of the field he was out to that side. And
during that play right before you'll see like the corners
line up late because they break the huddle real fast.
Me and Jayen Watson are like where do we go?
He starts running to the left. I'm like, Jay, just
go to the right, like usually when everything breaks down
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as run to left, few runs the right. Boom done
easy And we get there and they came out the formation.
It was really a cover four, but our cover four
it turns in the man real quick, especially national yard,
and I just remember the receiver just skipped off. Anytime
that happens. I'm like, okay, something I right. You feel me.
You're not going deep like you're either gonna do a
little anything. And that's why I just see Lamar. I
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didn't even see za yet. I still haven't seen Zay.
I seen Lamar.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Keep it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm like, okay, read option, let me go set this
edge again. And out of a corner of my eye,
I just see a black helmet flash and I'm like,
something right, you know what I mean, Like, say, hasn't
been seen yet? Like something not right? What's going on?
And I knew. I knew Jay reed was over here,
so I know he's flown always. He's a come down,
hit you in the face type of guy. So I
was like, this receiver runs, like I know Jay Reeve
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gonna be able to the top, so take that. And
that's when I just seen Zack and I was like, man,
I seen Lamar throw the ball trigger. And after that play,
I still everyone's like, how'd you know? How'd you know?
I was like I didn't. Like that's when those things
were in. The play just came and I was in
the right spot. Like sometimes in football you get lucky
in that play.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I got lucky that wasn't luck that one bro that
was that looked like you. That looked pure instincts to me,
because so many people in that exact same situation would
be like, nah, I don't know you know what I mean,
they're not shooting the gun. They're like, what if it ain't?
You didn't have no what I nah? You said fourth
and two? You feel me? Fourth to two?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Coach always hays fourth and two, shoot your gun? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You missed.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I got my boys on the back end. That's always
say my safety. They gonna know. I always tell them
you gotta get me because I'm shooting no matter what.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Too.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Too is through that whole.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right, ask, ask questions later exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's what I grew up playing football. Hit something you
see a color. You may be wrong, it's something. Bro,
you got your first all pro. Tell me how good
that felt?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was recognized like that. That was a beautiful feeling,
you know.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
One.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That was my first time in my entire life playing nickel.
I spent hours trying to perfectic Like one that was
like a okay, like you did exactly what you want
to do in that nickel. But another thing was just
like being recognized by others. You know, I'm one of
those guys quiet social media, like I don't need a
lot of praise, Like everything I do is what I do.
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And just having my teammates, I mean, people from other
teams like recognize that. That was a cool experience. I
think I ever experienced something where everybody else's all at
once saying you're that guy. So for me, it was
a little confidence boost. But also it was like, Okay,
now I got to turn it up even more low key.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, and you you got to you gotta show that
it was right, Like, hey, you said you got it right,
Like I already showed the Kansas City Chiefs they got
it right. I showed y'all I'm all pro. But now
I'm gonna show y'all like I'm one of them for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And it's a perfect scheme. Talk me through your draft
day what you expected to go high? I mean, you,
y y'all boys had dogs out there, y y'all, y'all
court if y'all ain't DBU, y'all corner you for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I like that. That's funny, man.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was cool.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It was out in California, didn't get invited to Vegas
my year.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So I in.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
California, got a hotel, had the whole family there, and
it's funny. My agent was and he was like, you know,
you're going first round, first round. But I was just
like my gut was like you'll probably slip. Like nobody
you know, I always just you're gonna slip. So I
remember first night, I was just like, let's just kick it, like,
let's hang loose, let's have fun, let's enjoy being here together,
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like turn it on. I wasn't stressing it all. Talk
to the family, this and that, and I remember the
rounds just kept taking taking. Everybody was getting stressed, and
I was like, y'all, it's all right, Like as long
as we make it to the league. We made it,
like it don't matter where we go. As long as
they get me on the team we could. And I
remember my phone went off. I seen Kansas City. I
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was like, that's crazy. You never talked to him once,
like not thing during the draft, and picked it up,
ran outside to nobody just all a sudden, Trump was gone, disappear,
you know what I mean, just gone. I'm talking talking.
My sister comes out like who's that. I'm like KC.
Then my agent found out. And it's funny because I
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was still on the phone when they now on the
TV and I'm outside talking, you know, ball bar. At
this point I appreciate it and just the place Steve
rupts and I'm like, oh wait, hold on, let me
go back inside, let me go celebrate, and I'll come
talk to you later. So that's why when you see it,
I'm not even on the couch, Like, I'm not even
in the room. I'm coming out from outside because I like,
as soon as they said your draft, I was like
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cool and then got strained the ball like okay, well
about this defense, like where you see me this and that?
So man, I just think back to that, like yo,
like all these didtings. You look and everybody's on the TV,
you know, on the couch hugging their mom and stuff.
Nah I was. I was walking back in, like my bad,
I missed my spot, miss my line life. But it's cool.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You're getting plenty of it right now. Speaking of lime
in life, tell me about your first Super Bowl experience.
Just I didn't been to three of them. My homes
took one. They took one from me. And Tom took
the other one from me. I got peyton stuff. I
took well, they didn't get me no easy route to
the super Bowl watch. That's fine, But tell me about
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that experience because I know throughout that week it's so different.
It's such a different week, especially when you get to
the to the location that it's at, how crazy everything is,
or all the interviews, all the media, the practice facilities
are different, and then going to your first one versus
going to your second one when you know what to expect.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, man, that's that right there, that ending when you
said the first one compared the second one, because that
was a big difference. I remember a rookie year. I
was hurt for half the year, so like my season
then starts like halfway through. So okay, y'all still a
little fresh, you know what I mean, we're a little
banged up. I'm like, I'm good. I just got back
out here and in Arizona. Loved Arizona, and as rookie,
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I felt like I went out a lot more like
I was like, oh, let me go to the mall,
you know, let me go see the family. Like we
had a whole week. I was like, man, I cannot
can see the film, you know, like really two weeks
seem to think about it because you got that week
and then the whole nother one. So I was like,
you know, I finished finished film like the week before,
So I'm gonna go and draw myself in Arizona, dinner's
all this stuff. And we get to the game and
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let up my first big touchdown ever, you know, big
bomb A J. Brown have it always that will always
be with me had it didn't play it right then,
it turned my head. And to this day, after that play,
I felt like that's what really like made me me
because after that, like all the fears, all the anxiety,
everything is.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
A deep and getting worse than that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Man, I'm like, this is the super Bowl, like biggest
stage everybody watching. Let up a bomb. That's gonna be
highlights all the time. And so I was like at
that point, stop thinking, stop stretching, stop worrying, just go
play your ball. And one super Bowl came down to
the very end like one by three points, which was crazy.
(23:45):
After parties were all cool all that, you know, just
the whole experience was I feel like fast for me
rookie year, Like I still like you people ask me like, oh,
like there's still like blank spots because it was just
so much was going on in my head. And then
fast forward to last year and going out to Vegas.
We're one, we've already played there before, so the hotels
kind of like the fights, everything's a little more. You
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kind of know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Right their divisional opponents, so you know, like, yeah, we
kind of used to being in Vegas, and I remembering,
did y'all go did they let y'all use y'all different facilities? Yeah,
that's crazy. See when we when we got to the
super Bowl in Arizona, we were supposed to be the
home team, so we were supposed to use Arizona's facilities.
They said we couldn't use their facilities because we're a
division opponent and they didn't want us send their buildings,
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So we had to go to Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And that's where we were. We're moving the state too,
which was cool. But yeah, User Raider's facilities which was amazing.
Fields was nice, use all the cold tubs, all these things,
and I just felt like everything slowed down, like when
that first of all real fast. This time, I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna make a plan because one is Vegas. You
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can get lost in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Just like that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, they had a hotel like forty five minutes
off the strip, so if you wanted to even go,
I was I was like, I'm not about to send
the car for forty five minutes. Just yeah, you know
what I mean. Off season right around the corner. But
I remember like every night I would go back to
the hotel. We'd have a little meetings, and we'd have
like from six to whenever. Our curfew was like you
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got off and I would genuinely go back in that
room for two three hours, sit there and just watch film, study, study, study,
and man, when it came to game time, there was
zero thinking. There was just I was ready at that time.
I was just like, can we play, Like I'm so
tired of seeing stan Fran, I'm so tired of talking
about fan Like, let's just go play the game. And man,
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like you said, you've seen it, everything just clicked, like
I knew what they were gonna do every single play.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, yeah, brought it feels good.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Oh it's crazy.
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a Grade two MCL that he got the night before
the game. Like we're on a Saturday walkthrough. He's as
healthy as Earl has a AC joint tear or laboram tear.
(26:52):
My elbow, I have a torn UCL. Like we're just
banged up going to this game, but campus relatively healthy.
So we're like, okay, at least he's gonna be a
deal with Gronk. We're in a Saturday walkthrough doing goal line,
go line, and they sub the corners out and then
because the Patriots like to like pop out, they used
to pop their tight ends out and getting the gun
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and throw fades or slants to Gronk. And so we're like, hey,
we're gonna practice this play. Cam go out there, guard
Gronk and it's supposed to walk through, but for some reason,
we've never done this in the history of our play.
They wanted to buzz the linebacker out under the slant,
so Cam only had to worry about the And Cam's like, bro',
(27:33):
I'm a all pro like this lead me be like,
let me work. You don't need to do this. So
they say, yeah, we're doing it, So they do it.
So Malcolm Smith is buzzing out Cam's guarding. Malcolm buzz
is full speed into Cam's knee. No bang, Bro, you
could hear a pin drop at that practice. We're like,
there's no f and wait, it's just happened like this
(27:56):
is Saturday.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, I know mentally that oh jo Ja
that he killed everything.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
He killed everything, and you're sitting there like, bro, you
don't know if he gonna even play like this day
before the Super Bowl, and you like, we wake up
the next day, we don't. We don't. I don't think
he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's crazy, bro.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
He did a bunch of treatment, prayer, put a knee
braces on, played in the super Bowl like towards mcla.
They're just super boll Man and we just didn't have it.
Then we are Nickel, as you know how hard it
is to switch stuff up. In the Super Bowl, we
played with the same line and for a long time.
We get all into the Super Bowl. Our Nickel gets
a pick, picks Tom and cover two. The first drive
(28:37):
of the game in the red zone. Books like like,
we're feeling good. He's on the return, woo woo woo
doing his thing. Haear's his a cl breaks his arm
out the game. And so after that we had to
move our other corner who hadn't played Nickel in like
a long time, to the Nickel and then a corner
who wasn't expecting to play. And I don't think really
really studied the game, you know what I mean. He
(28:58):
wasn't like studying like he was gonna like, which is
probably our fault. We probably should have been more oning,
but you know, you we locked in right, but but
they scored three touchdowns on him.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's tough. Which after party was the best.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Vegas E Gottamy Vegas they had? Yeah, yeah, Vegas was jumping.
We like walked in this back you know when no
weady realizes like after the game, everybody's still on the butt,
like the team is still like traveling together. So like
they take everybody to this after party, so we get off.
We in like the back line. If we go through
(29:40):
this metal dwarf, like everybody's like where are we? Like,
what is this about to be?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You got his side. Yeah, you was like, okay, yeah,
this is what it is.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I see what y'all doing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So what who do you think? Who did you study
coming up? Because you know, we two different body sides.
So I wouldn't take it as no disrespect. You said
you didn't watch it a bit of my.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Take, that's funny, and you do. Jimmy Lake, he had
this shirm tech. We called it the shirm Tech, like
it was part of our everyday eeds. We had the
soft shoe, which was motorile. We had the regular just
stab pier step and then we had the Shirm tech
bro which was the quick JA and get your hands on.
So growing up like you know you was definitely one
(30:25):
of those corners where I was like, if I want
to learn how to just get my hands on, be physical,
like cover to cover four like that dude he was
on there. Charles Woodson was a big time Raider fan
and man play both corner safety. So like watching him
grow up, That's why I'm always like, coach, throw me
(30:45):
in Nickels safety. I'll do anything because I see him
do it. And then Darrell Reeves like, y'all three, that's
how I learned. That's how I learned.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
dB. That's three.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, like technique, attitude, ball like like that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
How many career interceptions do you think Charles Woodson had?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Just off the top of your head, thirty twenty plus,
twenty plus Charles Wilson.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'm about to blow your mind. This is how crazy
the game has changed and how great Charles Woodson is.
Sixty five sixty five boy, sixty five sixty five. That's
what I'm talking about, Like we've lost perspective on like
how great these dudes was. Dion had like fifty three,
Champailey fifty two. Like these dudes is that's who I
(31:37):
was chasing when I was in my career. Me and
Dion both had thirty at six years and I was like,
I got to get to fifty and then you know,
injuries and they stopped throwing it and I stopped getting outs.
But I end up with forty one. But it sixty five.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's yeah. See, like growing up like it was always defense.
It was one, you gotta hit two, you gotta get
a turn on, like I don't got to pick in
the league yet, And that's something that boy, when I
say I'm hungry, I'm going after that fall. Like last year,
I had what five forced fumbles. It was like, all
(32:13):
good job. I'm like, bro, that's that's cool. You know, yeah,
you know game change and play. But if you're dB,
you want the ball man, like I want six.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
So that's yeah, that's I'm gonna move this camera a
little bit so you can see some of them. But
I got them everywhere. Boy, yeah, I have to.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's that's works for. That's what we worked for.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I say, I say, you picked, I picked this ball.
You ain't getting it back, but it's going on the
shelf like thanks, my son will play with this one.
So I got look, I got Tim's, I got Aarons.
Those are the only ones I put somewhere else because
you get them boys, they gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Greaty people getting them boys.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's your top receivers in the league,
Because there's a difference between what the fans think and
what the public thinks versus I gotta stand in front
of you. I gotta deal with your crazy releases. I
gotta study your tape and stress. And there's only a
couple receivers that like when you've seen you, you adn't
gonna get a chance to play Megatron, but it's a
different kind of stress.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, I've seen them highlights.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I seen them and the coach is coming up to
you like, hey, we're thinking about doing this vice coverage. Bro.
If you don't get out of my face, hey yeah,
you look, take me off the field, you do that.
I don't need to be out there. I hear that.
You gotta show me.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah yeah, man, who I got up there Davante for
show one the VET just savvy, you know what I mean?
Like my rookie year last year, just watching them play
like he he may don't have the burners no more
like Tyreek kil blow bass passed to you. But that
almost like makes it even harder because now you don't
know the temple of his routes. And that's where good receiver.
(34:00):
That's what a lot of people the temple of a route everything.
So Davante, hands down, that's one. I'm the raw Saint
brown okay mentality, Like I'm a big dude with receivers.
I'm like a receiver who is gonna throw his head
in there, who's gonna block you, who's gonna be aggressive,
who's gonna run the route every single play like you
(34:22):
barely see him come out the game. That's the dude
I like, because that's how you know you're gonna he
gonna line up against you every play, every play. So
those are like my big ones and another little sleeper.
Let me think of some sleepers I'll give you.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, I'm gonna give you guys on your team. Because
la Jerry Snead looked like I mean not not Snead
uh uh she for she Yeah sorry, I apologie, no
disrespect for shell, but but he looked like an issue.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Man, and like last year, he he like showed out,
you know what I mean. He was showing little signs
where you're like, Okay, this dude can be something. But
this year, I don't know what it is. That man
is on a mission. Like he comes into work locked
in and he had practice full speed. Like I watched
him sense OTA's now and been like, Dawn, Yeah, what
(35:12):
you're doing. Whatever you're doing mentally physically, boy, you got it.
He is on the right track. And you can see
it Pat where Pat go to a seven up?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
There?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Foh his next low? Because he gonna be there. He
gonna be there. He's consistent. And that's my big thing
about the league receiver dB, anybody out here. Your consistency,
I feel like it's everything. Someone who is just consistent
each week. He ain't got to be the best dude
out there. He ain't got to be the biggest, strongest.
Someone who's consistent. Man, those are the dudes who are
(35:41):
dangerous because they gonna do the perfect technique. They will
do the right thing every time, and you better be
on your game because they gonna do it every time.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, and I saw you baptizing the young boy worthy
in training camp. But you know, we don't see a
lot of stuff. You just see the clips unless you
got to go all the way y'all practice, but it
looked like ya, they showed a few on ones and
then you know you were doing your thing. But he
looks like he's gonna be good eventually. But you know
you are savvy vet down.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I mean, especially training camp like a rookie. That's I
feel like that's when a VET can like really teach
her young and like this is how it is, Like
I know when I was a rookie, I came in
and like Juju was the first one, like first first
couple of plays, my first practice, J call one hander
and I'm like, yo, I ain't never high school college,
(36:28):
Like I ain't never see someone will just go up
one hander on me. So I was like it kind
of just gets you in that mindset of this is
the pros, like this is real now, like these are
dudes who are hungry, like truly have families, so x
I mean, I'm excited for him, like truly, I think
I think you see a little stuff like I said
(36:48):
about Rashid Rice last year, Like you see the little stuff,
but once he really gets into his bad, like once
he's comfortable in the system. Man, he got speeding now
like on these videos, yeah, you see me keeping up
with them, but that's because I do want to. I'm
not a scrimmage. If you don't touch that, man, why
it's a long day. There's gonna be a long day.
(37:10):
We said that training camp this past year, all the
dv's is like, we are like truly attract me. Like
every day your legs hurt, good luck, it's a long
day because them boys is burning. When we had Hollywood man,
I know he got hurt, but when he was in
training camp, the boys rolling, man rolling.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, that's why people are like you ran four or five? Like,
how were you eleiting the league? I said, because I
ain't letting them runs wholl three exactly.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That get them hands on, you'll be good hands.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Tell me something about because everybody Patrick gets all the
credit he obviously deserves. He in a different realm, of
different stratosphere than any other quarterback in the league, including
Iggy Josh. Allen is probably as close as anybody can get.
But tell me something they don't know about him because
he's a he. I mean, I enjoyed playing against the
super We played him, We held him in check, relatively
(38:02):
in check for most of that game, and then seven
minutes to go, he showed you why he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame and you got a lot of
respect for what he was able to do and what
he's done in his career. But tell me something that
impressed you coming in because you came in when he's
already he got to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That's yeah, yeah, man. My My favorite story last year
against the Chargers. They were at our place and Travis
Kelce random gig ran a dig back in the end zone.
Easy touchdown. Everyone's like easy, Mahomes came back because where
the dB sit is the same place quarterback sits, so
(38:39):
every time you know they score, he comes sit right
next door. Is that's what we go out? And he
was like, man, Trapp didn't run the right route, Like, man,
Trapp didn't do that right at all. Like I just
threw it knowing he was there, and like it went
over a lot of people's head. But I was like,
wait a second. First off, when you look at that
play the boss out trap Haven looked at Trap ran
the dig just knew he was gonna run it, And
(39:01):
to me, that was like, this is why you're that good,
like when you he truly knows what each one on
that field is gonna do, whether it's the right route,
whether it's the wrong route, whatever, however he knows it.
Like I've seen this man just throw the ball and
it wasn't even like a play call that he had,
Like he just threw it because he was like, Yeah,
I knew he was gonna do that with that that leverage.
(39:23):
And I was like, man, like, how deep I don't
even know how much studying that will have to take
to know that your receiver on a post play may
run the corner because of a split and I'm gonna
throw it on time because I know he's gonna do it.
Like to me, that's when I said, oh, you're your
way way, Like people ain't catching that because that was different.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, right, that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, you can't teach that. I don't know what you
would call that.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
You can't teach it, you can't coach it. You can't
sit there and talk about it in the in the
build move like hey if he over here, because in
the heat of the moment, like a lot of bullets flying.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, nothing's perfect in the game of football.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Office.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And so when you got somebody who can clean it
up just off of just knowing what the players coming through. Man, Man,
and we played, we go against it for a whole
month in training camp, and that whole month is the
most annoying month ever. Bro. Like, I'm telling y'all have
perfect coverage. Like I'm like, no way, he throws this
(40:24):
ball to this receiver like place dead ball out of nowhere.
I'm like, man, And that's when I learned, like you
can never not think the balls to me, like Patrick
Mahomes truly scarding me in the NFL because I'm like,
at any play, this ball can come because I've seen
it pass.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
If you beat you know the balls there?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, oh yeah, one step. If I see what step,
I'm like, oh damn, like that I could do.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Literally, who are your top outside of yourself? Because your resume,
your tape says you want the top corners outside. I
think certain is c bro teach tape tech. I agree,
clean as it gets, But who were your top guys?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Definitely pascertained. He definitely gotta be out there, like you said,
just it's he's just flawless. I got l J. Snead
up there m h I got Jay up there.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
And you see his book the other day.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah the hitch, I said, Oh, which I am too.
He waiting on that. Thank you, bro. Like that's way
too easy, way too easy. But another dog that is
a sleeper can Taylor brit from the Bengals sleeper now,
(41:42):
Like this is my third year. We came at the
same time. Like I watched his game a little bit,
and man, just the more times I watch him, I'm like, dude,
is sweet. He had a nice little one hand against us. Yeah,
you know, he did his thing, But man, just when
you keep watching that cat, like the closing speed, the
play recognition, like his man the man sticky and I
(42:04):
always like a sticky corner, someone who's just on him
across the field. He's one of those dudes that when
I look at his tape, I'm like, yeah, you got
my nod brother.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, no question. He's They just getting him so much.
Like I hate this, like society were in because they
trying to get him for these like sound bites and
all this other stuff and like overshadow his game, like
he said the stuff he said before y'all game and
then went out there and one hand booked it like
give him credit for what he did. Now they're like,
they're like, oh see you said that about Jaydon Daniels.
(42:34):
Now look he beat you. Now what it's like, I
mean gun shooters get shot too. I mean you think
he gonna go in there and say, we don't expect
to win this game.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Like he's yeah, yeah, like we like like they always say,
but she was getting paid to bro like.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Happens. Stuff happens. Well, I ain't gonna hold you. I
noticed your time off. I'm enjoying this conversationiate no doubt. Yeah, yeah.
If you got any quest for me or anything else
you want to talk about, I'm happy to keep going,
but I want to respect your time.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, I appreciate it, big dog. I appreciate it. Thanks
for having me here.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
And thanks you, thanks for being on and maybe I'll
get you again, you know, after you get your first book,
because I'm gonna be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Let's do it, we me and you both. Look, I'm
gonna have that ball right next to me to sleep
with it that night. Probably he never do not give
it back. Oh yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I appreciate you, brother, good luck, and we appreciate it
all love the volume,
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