September 30, 2024 • 38 mins
Lamar Jackson continues to show us how remarkable he is during the Ravens dominate win over the Bills
The Jets had no business losing to the Broncos on Sunday
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Mackett was starting on you know, before the weekend, you
got the Knicks doing something, pulling off a huge deal.
Then it's college football Saturday. Then it's the NFL, capped
off last night by Lamar Jackson doing what he does
at a level nobody's ever done it, the running Slash,
pocket quarterback wild Weekend. Here comes October, Here come the
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baseball playoffs. You know, I love Lamar Jackson. It's fascinating
to me. People love athletic quarterbacks except Lamar Jackson, and
he's the best at it. I mean, Johnny Manzel comes out.
I was assured I didn't buy it, but he'd be great.
And I have defended Kyler Murray but he's tiny and
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regressing and hard to coach. And then I was told
Justin Field and Anthony Richardson, and it's like, I know
what it looks like when it's great, and what it
looks like when it's great, it's Lamar Jackson, who, because
of his work ethic and his passion, has become the
soul of the city, the soul of the franchise. Lamar
Jackson's unbelievable. He's the greatest all time running talent. And
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now Baltimore finally got him a star back who's healthy,
really nice receivers, Mark Andrews Titan And this is what
it looks like. Think about Buffalo a week ago, we
thought Buffalo is the best team in the world. They
gave up last night. They quit. They just they had
They couldn't stop him nine yards of play in the
first half. This is a guy that is twenty one
and one against the NFC, and Chris collins Worth pointed
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this out. There's no way to prepare for Lamar Jackson.
Your best bet is to be Cleveland, Cincinnati or the Steelers.
You see him a couple times a year and you
kind of understand the game speed and his ability. Those
teams have a much better shot. Not even Mahomes dominates
a conference like Lamar Jackson does. He's twenty one and
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one against the NFC. Because if you don't see him
frequently or never, I mean, he humiliated an excellent Detroit team.
Last year, he humiliated San Francisco. So no star quarterback
in this sport, it's weird, has more critics. But y'all
tell me. I love the athletic quarterbacks. I like my
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quarterbacks to be athletic. But I don't even know if
you can use that term for Lamar because when I
watch him, if you gave me one quarterback and one
team to watch every week half the time, it would
be Lamar Jackson. And what we try to do is
and this is the way it works. We've all had
a boss like this. We all know this is true.
Everybody tries to define you and jam you into a box.
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Like Jamie Foxx goes to Hollywood. He can dance he
can sing, he can act, he can do game shows.
He's funny. He can do anything. Don't put him in
a box. He can do anything. Jackson has a passer,
writing over one hundred in the last three big games
he's faced, because y'all tell me he doesn't win big games. Casey,
Dallas and Buffalo. Two of them were really good defenses.
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He's completing sixty nine percent of his throws. This is
just the throwing part. Sixt D's no picks, so you
don't get any reckless. He get all the upside. What's
the downside? Well, I can't beat mahomes. Well, last time
I checked, nobody except Brady at the end. Could I
watched this kid? Yes, Derrick Henry was sensational. Well, Derek
Henry's been sensational most of his career. He's on the
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latter end of his career. But part of what allows
Derick Henry or a JK. Dobbins or a running back
to flourish with Lamar Jackson in this offense is you're terrified.
You can't cheat, you can't lean into a good back
because if Lamar's decides, I'm just gonna keep it. He's
faster than your corners and your linebackers and your safeties.
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The kid's incredible. I don't want to hear that he
can't win big games. In the last calendar year, he's
destroyed the Niners and the Cowboys, and Buffalo and the Dolphins,
and Houston twice and Seattle and Cincinnati. He's winning big games.
He can't beat Mahomes. The kid is absolutely remarkable. Passer
rating over one hundred, exhilarating. If you're gonna love the
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quarterbacks that move, then you have to love the greatest
athletic moving quarterback at all time. But he's never been
given respect. We're watching all these young quarterbacks throughout the
course of NFL history. They struggle. They come into the league.
They can't quite figure it out. They can't slow the
game down. Lamar's the only player that came in was
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faster than the league. They were hoping he would slow
down Week eleven, first year comes in. Wow, next year MVP.
As long as Lamar Jackson is healthy and quarterbacking the
Baltimore Ravens, they will always be in the Super Bowl bubble.
I think the kids absolutely phenomenal. Buffalo a week ago
looked like the best team in the League, and they
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just waved the white flag. They just surrendered, the hands
up their body language. There's nothing you can do. Here's
the coach after.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
We have weapons. You know, we're just we're blessed with weapons.
I mean when I'm just walked in here right now,
best weapon in football right there, and everybody rallies around
him and he distributes to everybody else. So that's where
it starts.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
We know we are just getting better. We know it's possible,
we know what we're capable of, but we got a
long way to go.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I just I can't take my eyes off Lamar Jackson.
I'm always being sold on all these quarterbacks that run
around and move and might take it. No, I got one.
There's one, and that's what you should look like. And
it's the best I've ever seen. Matt and I listen.
Steve Young was the first time I saw a quarterback,
and I'm like, you can run like all the time
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and be great, and Steve Young was amazing. But this
is better than Steve Young. I know he didn't have
a trophy, but I mean, when you are. He had
a move last night and only picked up a couple
of yards. They got Collinsworth picked up on it where
he literally moonwalked. He went into a hole and put
it in reverse, shifted, went to the left, went back in.
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What was that? What did I just watch? The kid
is remarkable and good for him last night. Okay, here's
what's not remarkable. This one actually shocked me. For rookie quarterbacks,
usually for them to win, it has to be kind
of situational, right, like they're at home, they've got a
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little extra prep time. I thought the Jets with Aaron
Rodgers with extra prep time against Denver and a rookie quarterback,
I thought this was a terrible spot for the Denver Broncos. Instead,
it looked like the Jets didn't practice. It's time to
recalibrate the Jets. They've played four games. They've been really
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good in one of them. The worst team in the
league New England. That was on a short week. They
didn't play well against Tennessee. They got a Will Levis break,
they got housed by the Niners, beat by Denver. Like
this team, recalibrate it. Four games, one really good one.
They are not a well coached team. Thirteen penalties, cadence,
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issues with veteran offensive linemen Bryce Hall, Breeze Hall, excuse me,
where'd he go? What happened to him? So Alan Lazard
screwed up a drive with an idiotic penalty, had to
settle for a field golf. That was Aaron's guy. We
know Aaron seeks comfort, right, that was his guy, and
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Nat Hackett that was his guy. Come on, this offense
is just not good enough. Now I will say Patrick
Er can put him on. Garrett Wilson slows him down.
We talked about that last week. You know there's about
three stop corners in the league, lockdown guys. Denver's got one.
So that was gonna be a tough week for Garrett Wilson.
But it was the penalties Alan Lazard, veteran offensive lineman
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Cadence issues. This is not a well coached team and
this has been the year of the underdog. Believe me,
my picks Friday, It's been the year of the underdog.
But uh, that was a game. You can't lose. The
Jets with Aaron Rodgers, a veteranal line had extra time
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to prepare for a Denver team that decided let's just
stay out East. He'll give us the only chance to
win and It was ugly and I'm not blaming Aaron,
but you know, Aaron likes to be alone. He doesn't,
you know, like to be the only guy like and
it felt like Aaron running around and scrambling and making
up time with his feet. I'll give Aaron Rodgers credit.
He wasn't very accurate. He didn't play particularly well. I
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don't know how to describe the cadence issues. That guy
was running for his life. The two things we worried
about with this team were Aaron Rodgers' health. Sacked five times,
fourteen hits. That is not the recipe. That can't games
like the Jets season can't look like that. Aaron cannot
take that beating. He did a great job to be active,
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to move his feet. He was scrambling. Give Aaron a
ton of credit. But he wanted this offensive coordinator. This
was his choice, and he wanted Alan Lazard and they're
not doing him favors. So the two things we worried
about were Aaron's health that was not that didn't look
good yesterday. And we worried about prickly Aaron Robert Sala
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in Green Bay. You have more veteran coaches, less chaos.
We worried about Sala and Aaron Rodgers, and after that
awful performance at home against a rookie quarterback who threw
for sixty yards. Here was the coach and Aaron.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
After we got to figure it out whether or not
we're good enough to handle all the we're ready to
handle all the kittens at Kitten's had not been an
issue all camp. Felt like our operation had been operating
pretty good. Obviously, today it took a major step back.
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The Cayden specifically, Robert said, that might be something you've
asked have to dial back a little bit. Is that
something you think could potentially help the situation.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
That's fun way to do it. The other ways hold
them accountable. I mean, we haven't had an issue. We've
had one false start, Morgan at one false start, I
believe until this so you know, it's been a weapon.
We use it every day in practice. You know, we
rarely have a full start, and they have I don't
know five today it seemed like four or five. Yeah,
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it's and it seems like an out there. I don't
know if we need to make mass changes.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Once again. Feels like a little pettiness, little anger. Hey listen,
I'm not blaming Aaron. We know he likes to be alone.
He can't do it alone. I'm not blaming Aaron, and
I do not think this is a well run team.
But last week we were talking, Oh my god, ticker
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tape gets like, No, this is still a poorly coached,
poorly owned team with an offensive line that's in flux.
That's what it looked like, and a team you can't
trust in big spots. And by the way, I'll tell
you why that game was so important, and everybody in
New York knows why it's important. The next three games
are the hottest team in the league, the Vikings, the
Bills are in a bad mood now, and the Steelers,
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who can't score but have a great defense. Good luck
with your old line against that Steelers defense. So we
looked at this schedule and we thought, man, you talk
about three layups. You barely get by Tennessee, you lose
to Denver. Now comes some really interesting matchups, because the
end of the season can get real dicey, But these
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were supposed to be layups. Four games, one good performance
and everybody's looked good. I mean the Niners yesterday, what
was that against the Patriots that was that a scrimmage?
It didn't even look like a game. It was more
of a scrimmage. So not good, Jamach, I know you're
freaking out. Now. The good news is New York fans
mostly don't have to watch it in person. Against Minnesota,
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it's over in London. So, you know, a thirty four
to ten loss, you know, you could just you know,
mow the lawn and you don't have to go to
the game or anything.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
All right, let's settle down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
First of all, no freaking out here. It was a
bad loss. I think if there's anything to freak out about,
it's Rogers versus Solla Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
They're not on the same page. And this dates back
to the whole Egypt thing.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Remember where Sala opened his mouth and something silly and
Rogers pushed back and I don't know. I'd like to
get those two in a room in front of the
media and hash this out because otherwise this could fester
all season to ruin it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
For the Jet did we talked about this last week?
It's so funny, So it's really fun when Aaron's in
a good mood off a win. He looks good, he's happy.
But we said Friday. He gets dark very quickly. Aaron
gets dark very quickly. Look at him on that podium.
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If I couldn't hear the sound, he looks pissed. Aaron's interesting,
like a lot of quarterback Tom Brady, if you turn
the sound down, win or lose. I never knew Peyton
Manning didn't know, Like there's a lot of quarterbacks. Lamar's
facial expression, his body language. Aaron literally looks like a
different person when he's in a bad mood. So that's
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what I see. What do you think it's like in
real time in person? So like Aaron stepped to that
podium yesterday, you don't even have to just look at
the body language, look at the face. And he's always
done this. Aaron is split personality. When things are good,
he's charismatic, he's funny, he's a great guest, he's amazing.
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That dude goes dark really fast, and he tends to
passive aggressively turn on people. That's what that felt like
to me. That felt like, oh, is that is that
what the coach says? Or you could hold people accountable?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well, listen, they had thirteen penalties. I read run reports
that ten of them were against the offense. So to
defend Salah, Yeah, a lot of screw ups.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I mean at home.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I know it was in the rain, but didn't played
in the rain too yesterday, right, just just being okay,
bow Nicks threw for sixty yards on the road and
beat Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That can't happen.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I'm on a Minnesota Okay, let's get to by.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
By the way, that wasn't the worst performance of the weekend.
I saw something yesterday. You know, you and and I
are never shocked. It's sports. We're surprised my picks. I'm
surprised yesterday I saw something. It was as bad as
anything I've ever seen. And I'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (15:21):
I still like Jalen Hurtz. Maybe I'm just wrong on that,
but right now, what does he do? Does Nick call plays?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Is he a defensive whiz? No, He's an offensive guy,
culture builder like Dan Campbell.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Reportedly doesn't get along great with Jalen Hurts, doesn't have
his trust, He's not great with the media. He's not
a quarterback whisperer. You gotta be great at something. Matt
Eberflus can coach defense in Chicago. I know that even
if you're struggling as a head coach, are you good
on your side of the ball. They're not. Don't tell
me it's roster. This is a good roster. Don't tell
me it's the owner. Don't tell me it's the GM.
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Philadelphia is one of the better run organizations. They're also impatient.
They don't sit around and wait. They moved off Doug Peterson,
they moved off Chip Kelly had a winning record. They
moved off Carson Wentz after a big contract. But don't
blame the players. I don't want to hear about AJ
Brown's injury. This team doesn't do anything well. What I
watched yesterday in the first half, I'm not seeing if
I've ever in my life seen a roster and a
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quarterback that talented not only trailed twenty five to twenty
four to nothing. Forget the fact they trailed, I mean
good teams. Buffalo had bad nights. At one point, Tampa
had two hundred and fifty four yards, Philadelphia had zero.
They did nothing well and again Buffalo last night in
the first half, you know, getting run out of the building.
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It happens a lot in Baltimore against Lamar Jackson. It
happens in those night games. This was an afternoon game
against Tampa, a team that had gotten pushed around the
previous two weeks, and it wasn't competitive. The body language
was bad. And yes, it's been an underdog year the NFL,
the Washington Commanders, what the hell's going on? There are
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surprises all the time, but that was beyond a surprise.
That was a football team that looked absolutely unprepared, with
really good players all over the place. So I think
it took them a second quarter to get past midfield
and a get who are you gonna blame on this?
Like sometimes it takes a while for the truth to
come out. If not for Saquon Barkley, what would this
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organization right now do? Well, Saquon Barkley's great, and he'll
he'll you know, he'll run for yards, he'll get a touchdown.
He'll fool you into thinking, boy, we're doing some things
well here. No, Saquon Barkley's great. He got yards in
New York with a battle line like he's just great.
Sometimes somebody fools you great player and a bad organization.
You think, oh, what a great receiving Cord. No, it
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may just be a great receiver. I don't know what
Philly does well, and I don't know what Nick Sirianni
does well. And if you take think about the Jalen
hurt situation, if you take last season and just the
four games this year, Jalen Hurts who has regressed so badly.
He has a passer rating that's lower than Justin Field's.
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And so to me, there's a connective thread here. The
longer Shane Steiken is gone a brilliant guy, the longer
he is gone, the worse this team gets. I mean,
there was a little bit where you know he left,
and some of the momentum for the first half of
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that season he was gone. You're like, oh, look, Berty good,
they can live without Shane Steikeen. It takes a while
for the truth to come out. And Nick Sirianni, this
is what I was told, This is what I saw
at the press conference, This is what I saw before
he gave Shane Styke in the play calling duties. This
doesn't work. You at least have to know your side
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of the ball, like eber Flus in Chicago. We can
bang on him. But the Bears defense and it's excellent
in the red zone, it's excellent third down. We don't
think it has the best defensive personnel, but he can
coach his side of the ball. He's got that side down.
You can bang on Lincoln Riley. USC scores a lot
of points all the time. They got the offensive side down.
But what does Philly do. Well, here's Sirianni.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
After we had nine plays. I mean, you had nine
plays and three of them are third downs. So now
you know he had two carries in time sixth place.
I mean, that's the way I mean when you when
you go three and out that no one's gonna have
any touches. Nobody's gonna have any like nobody's gonna have
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any catches. We weren't sustained drives. It's another you know,
we can we say what about the defense, but we
weren't sustaining drives on offense.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So he is defending Saquon Barkley not touching the ball
much early. But I'm more concerned about the regression of
Jalen Hurts. I've seen him with a good coordinator. I've
seen him with Siriani. It's like two different players. So
I think Hurts still has something. People in Philadelphia are impatient.
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The Eagles are impatient, but they've paid him and they
got big years left on this contract. I don't think
you have to save Jalen Hurts. He just has to
get somebody that's competent working for him. But I don't
want to hear it's the roster. There are situations where
you like, right now in LA with McVeigh, he didn't
have his top two receivers, the offensive lines in shambles.
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He's using backups, and the backups for the Rams aren't
very good. Like there are times Mike McDaniels right now
in Miami. He didn't have Tua, he didn't have his guy,
and their backups and quarterback aren't very good. There are
good coaches out here where you go, hey, listen, they
don't have their best players. But in Philadelphia, well aj Brown,
they have an embarrassment of riches. I mean they've got
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players everywhere. One of the best GM's owners. I'm not
a fan of interim head coaches. I think you stick
with it. But you thought Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni
struggled last year. Jalen Hurts, turn on that WIP in
Philadelphia and he's getting dragged all day on that radio station.
I got news for you. They're gonna have to make
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a choice, and they're not dumping the quarterback. J mcklin news.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
That looked like a Philly team that was essentially ready
to get on an airplane and go on the bye
week vacation.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
They were down twenty one nothing before I think Philly
had one first down.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Like it was that was really ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
This is a Tampa team that had the last couple
of weeks could not move the ball. It was terrible.
On third down, they did whatever they wanted to.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
The only excuse for Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
He was basically fighting with one tight hand tied behind
his back. No no Brown, no Smith, no Lane Johnson.
Like who was Jalen Hurt throwing to? He got sack
like six two.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You could hand the ball off seven eight, nine straight
time for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Tampa was ready for that one.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Let's start with Jayden Daniels, one of the hottest quarterbacks
in the league right now, Colin. He has completed eighty
two percent of his passes through four games, which is
the best mark in NFL history. Tom Brady had set
the previous record in two thousand and seven at seventy
nine percent.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
He won the MVP that year. We're not gonna talk
MVP today.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But Jaden Daniels has been lights out. This was a
game I was way way wrong on. I liked Arizona,
arn felt confident, and it was seven to seven, and
then Jadon Daniels took the game over him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He was like, we're gonna score it. Sometimes like I
keep waiting for the bubble to burst a little bit.
I mean, listen, Minnesota. I buy because of all their weapons,
the coach and the defensive coordinator. I knew Kingsbury loved
Jaden Daniels, and I predicted Washington would make the playoffs.
I said, they'll surprise people. They're better than you think.
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You start looking at Jayden Daniels. Here's the thing that
I can't get over. It's not that they're moving the ball.
It looks so effortless. They're not getting Their running backs
often don't hit contact for four yards. Their wide receivers
are why made open? So this a lot of this
Jayden's terrific, but a lot of this is scheme. Yes,
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Kingsbury is literally it feels like Cliff Kingsbury as a coordinator,
he's like a year ahead of the league on something.
The stuff is, we didn't think they had a dominant
O line. That was one of their concerns coming into
the season was a week O line, and it's it
literally looks like the Cowboys when Dak broke into the league.
There's massive holes and Jaden you know, we said, and
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I was told this by a scout that he's got
a little Lamar Jackson. I see some RG three man,
I don't know our rookie year RG three Yeah, I
see Tom Brady eighty two percent from the pocket. What's
going on?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't want to go too overboard with Daniels. I
will say he's faced some of the worst he had.
That's why, just be real. That's why I'm critical.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
This is a real.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's a fact he's faced like only bottom ten defense
is gone.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I know, but even that said eighty two percent. Yeah,
you're watching this off too like it looks like flag
football with the seniors against the sophomores. Now, okay, now
it gets a little tougher, but does it is Cleveland better?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Well?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Okay, so remember last Monday, I came on here and
I said, Chicago's the play and I was locked that up,
and I said, Tampa against Philly that was the one.
I think you gotta take the Browns and the Jim
Schwartz defense against Jayden Damiens. Ok this will be the
best defense he's faced by far. Okay, Cleveland will not
be a walkover. I know Cleveland's tough to back right now.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
There you go ahead and the back then the vibes are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
About as bad for Cleveland as they are for anyone
in the league right now, see Deshaun Watson and is
offensive line name brutal? But shout out, hey, Cliff Kingsborg,
you said scheme. I think that's the perfect word.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Colin. You look, go look at that Jets take game.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Every Aaron Rodgers throw contested, there was a cornerback right
on the play.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Washington's dudes are wide open all day.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So, I guys, I've never heard.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Of do you ever mean McNichol or something like that
McNichols or what.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Steve Kaim told me. He said, I don't know if
Cliff has the personality and temperament to be a great
head coach. He says, when you free him up. He
told me this when he took the job in Washington.
When you can just let Cliff design and call plays,
he said, he is going to be He'll get other
head coaching offers. He may not be built temperament wise
for the head coach. He struggled at that, managing the
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egos and the you know, the crises. But he said
as a play caller, and Steve was a former offensive lineman,
he said, he's brilliant. You're not gonna believe what Washington
looks like. That's what Steve told me before the season.
He said, just let him call plays and design him
and just work with the offense and not have to
regulate manage players. Kingsbury is ahead of the league right
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now on stuff. You can't be this open four straight.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Weeks, I mean, and how about Jimen do is? Remember
Week one he ran like sixteen times against Damble. Were like, oh,
he's gonna die by Halloween. No, no, no, he's not
running anymore. He's winning for the pocket. I'm like, oh
my god, things are looking good for Washington and that
was your offseason call.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Remember I didn't think. I didn't think they'd looked like
by the way, with Philadelphia's issue, why can't they win
the division?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Dallas defensive issues, the injuries.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I mean, I'm watching them and I'm like I thought,
O line was their liability. That's what I worried about.
You can't win a division with a terrible old line.
That was the knock the PFF grades. It looks phenomenal
good start.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Less of a good start is Justin Herbert Colin That
high ankle's brain was evident.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He was sacked twice, hit twelve times by spags in defense,
which is just relixing left and right.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
The Chargers were missing both tackles in Slater and Joe Alt.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Harball was still thrilled with Justin Herbert's effectiveness from the pocket.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
We got to get Justin another another another half second second,
you know, we really do. I mean, he's trying to
get the ball out as fast as he possibly can,
and he is, and like I said, some of those
starts that he made, I mean, it's it's it's I
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don't have the adjective for it. I mean it's warrior like,
it's everything and everything humanly power, everything within his human
power and then some.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
His touchdown passed to Ladd McConkie, the Georgia Kidd at
the back of the end zone is one of and
I'm not giving it all to Herbert. Literally, there was
nothing there that showed that was an illustration of how
hard it is with a bad oline, missing your tackles
against Kansas City's defense. They threw a touchdown Herbert to
mconkee back of the ed zone. It was one of
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the most amazing touchdowns I've ever seen nobody open and
great catch as well to stay in bounds. But could
you give could justin Herbert in his career just get
one decent offensive line always hurt.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Nobody's ever opened calm.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Ever, now they had no run game without the tackles.
Twenty four carries fifty five yards, Nope, and so Herbert's
got to win from the pocket with LADDI mcconkee as
his best receiver. By the way, they have one completion
the season for longer than the thirty yards.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
That's it. It's a very limit.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I can't get them all down the field when you
have no time to throw.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Things are not looking good for the Chargers. Final story is, oh,
Sunday Night football and the trick played.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The Buffalo attempted to kind of ruin their chances of
a comeback, so they have cut it to twenty eight
to ten and they called this like wacky Curtis Samuel
pitch to Josh Allen and try to vombit and it
ended in disasters.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
You can see on the screen Kyle Vannoy with the
strip sack.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Here's head coach McDermott not happy with the trick play call.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
That's something that Joan Alill discuss at length, and I'm
sure he wants that call back. I do as well,
and we'll learn from that and move forward. Oltimar Ravens
came out and they beat us. They out played us,
They out coached this, and we've got identify the problems
and get them fixed.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, the problems Lamar Jackson and Derreck Henry. That didn't listen.
I know everybody on X went crazy. You gave up
nine yards of play to Baltimore, so that doesn't change
the game. You could not stop Baltimore. Baltimore did whatever
they wanted to. It was a weird time to call it.
I didn't love the play call. I thought it was weird,
but I don't want to hear it changed the game.
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Baltimore did whatever they wanted. Happy for Kyle van Noi.
Everybody was thought he was out of the league. Now
he's getting two. I mean, he's just a playmaker. But
this wasn't the game. They couldn't stop the Ravens. They
were running it will.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
It's weird how on Monday Night football the Buffalo Bills
were basically crowned.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Oh this is their Super Bowl year, forty seven to ten.
They smashed the Jags.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
They come out what six days later and look like trash.
That did not look like a good Buffalo Bill scene.
Josh Allen running for his life. I didn't see.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Anything special from the Bills. People just need to remember
this is a week to week league. Okay, you can't
make bold proclamations.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I know everybody now is oh bo Baltimore looks awesome, Colin,
They're back, right.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well? I didn't sell my stock too well. Run of
an organization. I mean yesterday, yesterday I saw two to
three things I could not believe. I could not believe
how bad the Jets offense was I cannot believe what
Philly did in the first half. And the fact that
Baltimore beat Buffalo. I had the Ravens winning the game
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like that. No, it was I you know, I mean,
this is this is why casinos are big and gamblers
don't overtime. You know, I had a bad weekend.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
The Kansas City Chiefs are not near the top of
your list. I guess we'll get into the Rashi Rice situation.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I will at some point.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Are we sure they're still going to the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Just just check it?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Okay? Yeah? Being serious, nod.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think they're going to overcome it. They should teach
a course in crisis management in Kansas City. They deal
with this every year. I think they're going to be
just fine. We'll see j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
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Speaker 1 (31:08):
All right, Chicago Bears at home beat an injury depleted
LA Rams team, which it's just not going to be
Sean mcvay's year. So let's do glass half full. First
of all, the Bears found a running game all quarterbacks,
especially young ones. DeAndre Swift strong performance, catching, running, good news.
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Took him forever to find it, but they found it. Secondly,
Caleb Williams has increased his completion percentage in every game.
He looked more poised, he looked comfortable. He had no turnovers,
so that's good. They're two and zero when he doesn't
turn the ball over. Also, Matt Eberflus is a very
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good defensive coach. They have a top five third down defense.
I think their red zone defense is pretty good. So
the head coach knows his side of the ball. But
then is this is it? This is what it's gonna
look like. Offensively, you know Caleb Williams, every scout, every
insider acknowledges people who have won Super Bowls. He's transformational.
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And yet we're saying, well, he wins when he doesn't
turn it over. That's like Derek Carr or you know,
a Daniel Jonestat, And that's fine, but that's not what
we have here. Throwing the ball downfield just ten yards.
This isn't the Colin glass half full Colin throwing the
ball downfield ten plus yards. His passer rating is twenty eight.
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His completion percentage is thirty two. It is a remedial offense.
Now hopefully they can maintain the run game. Caleb looked better.
But man, when you watch this offense like this is
not what it should look like, especially when you watch
Jayden Daniels with Cliff Kingsbury, it can't look like that.
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I mean, the Rams, we got to be honest. Here,
no Puka Akua, no Cooper Cup. Offensive lines in disarray,
they got no bullets, they have no playmakers. Everything has
to be a ten play drive. You gotta win that game.
I guess I didn't even truyt Chicago to win the game.
They did. But this week, according to reports, Jay Glazer
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reported this Bears players had a meeting with the offensive
coordinator and said, we're not a Pop Warner team. Now
this story now broken by Jay Glazer. Like the team said,
loosen it up, lighten it up, ask more of us.
Here's Caleb. After we're in a flow.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
You know, let us let us let us just stay
in the flow, get going, whether it's the run game,
whether it's the pass games. We get drives going with
the past game, you know, sprinkling a few runs and
we get the you know, the game going with a
few with a few runs, sprinkling the pass and then
you know, keep running the ball. So I think that
was the main, you know, the main point of emphasis,
you know, throughout the week, and obviously us just have
an open communication is most important.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, let's talk about the world champions going for their
third straight Super Bowl, the Kansas City Chiefs. So Rashi Rice,
who had had a tremendous first few weeks, he had
clearly become a go to number one receiver torn Acl,
cross your fingers, torn ACL, bad news, that's out for
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the season.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So the Chiefs, however, have become the NFL's Dad Bod.
It doesn't look great, but it's effective. And this is
what they do, crisis management. Nobody manages a game a crisis,
a half, an injury like the Kansas City Chiefs or
a big trade yesterday. I mean, just think about yesterday.
Fumble on the opening possession, Charger score seven nothing. Then
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they throw a pick on the second possession and lose
their top wide receiver. And then the next three drives
are pun punt, punt on the road. And so the
first five possessions are a fumble, a pick, lose a
star player, Pump pump punt, first five possessions and then
this is what they do. This is very New England,
Belichick Brady. They slowly creep ahead, the defense makes a play,
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business as usual. Manage the crisis. Oh we're within a touchdown,
Oh we're tied, Oh we lead. Travis Kelcey suddenly emerges.
He had more yards than any receiver yesterday. So Travis Kelcey,
you know, looked like Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt signed off
the street, suddenly became a playmaker. You can say what
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you want. It's we said this two weeks ago. It's
very New England. I mean New England has Spygate, the
flight Gate, obviously, the tragedy Aaron Hernandez. There was always
something with New England and they always figured out a
way to manage it. And they should teach a course
in crisis management, because they've got one. I mean the
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Tyreek Hill trade that was going to end it. And
they tried Tony and he drove him nuts and that
was fine, and then Juju Smith Schuster left and now
he's back and it's fine. Yesterday, Chris Jones, they just
rotated him all over the defensive line. Yeah, go attack
that rookie, Go attack that guy. They just they're not rigid.
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You know, there is no the Patriot way. You know,
there always felt a little bit with New England. There
was a little bit like a way to do things,
and their way to do things is to be amenable
to change. No, Tyreek Hill, let's change the offense. They've
rebuilt their defense, they're O line twice. Their receiving corps
is constantly in flux, and they keep hoisting the trophy
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so they find comfort and crisis. It freaks most organizations out.
So and what's weird is every single Kansas City game
looks the exact same. So they've won ten straight, nine
of ten in one possession games. They're the opposite of
the Ravens. There is no roller coaster. They're all close,
they win them all and they all kind of look
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the same. Some have been ugly. They often trail, they
lose a player, have to make a replacement. They get
a guy off the street. It's a guy you've never
heard of. This is just what they do. And that's
what you can do when you have owner GM coach
quarterback AAAAA plus because crisis is inevitable in this league.
We've always said this. Even the good teams New England
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had crisis all the time. How do you handle it.
It's not college football where you're Alabama and you get
a Georgia game and its circled like six months ahead,
like that's gonna be the toughie, you know. I mean,
like one time a year in Alabama Georgia and Ohio
State goes well, they have even talent. That's not the
way it works in the NFL. Yesterday Buffalo got housed
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Philadelphia down twenty four to nothing, Like the margins are thin.
If you don't show up, you get boxed. And so
I mean, here's Mahomes on another ugly close win.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
We weren't playing good.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
But I think the best thing about it is, I mean,
no one talks about it and they start to now,
but our defense is a really good defense, and they
know how to shut the door and keep us in
football games, and then they believe that the offense is
going to find a way to score enough points in
the end.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So the test results are not back yet on Rashie Rice,
who was having a terrific season, bumpy off season for him,
so he came into the season, there was turbulence. Again.
You don't want to be noisy, you don't want major holdouts.
But between the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey, Rashie Rice, there's
always noise around the world champions who you know, have
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star power everywhere. But this is what they do. And
I said this two weeks ago and I'll say it again.
When New England was at its best, they had the
best quarterback, the best coach. They had like a Scott Pioli,
they had Robert Kraft, they had tremendous leadership, and New
England won a lot of close games. Take out the
Randy mossh years. They were not blowing people out. It
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was a lot of close wins and nobody was better
in crisis. And that's what the chiefs are. Colin right,
Colin wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
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Mackett was starting on you know, before the weekend, you
got the Knicks doing something, pulling off a huge deal.
Then it's college football Saturday. Then it's the NFL, capped
off last night by Lamar Jackson doing what he does
at a level nobody's ever done it, the running Slash,
pocket quarterback wild Weekend. Here comes October, Here come the
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baseball playoffs. You know, I love Lamar Jackson. It's fascinating
to me. People love athletic quarterbacks except Lamar Jackson, and
he's the best at it. I mean, Johnny Manzel comes out.
I was assured I didn't buy it, but he'd be great.
And I have defended Kyler Murray but he's tiny and
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regressing and hard to coach. And then I was told
Justin Field and Anthony Richardson, and it's like, I know
what it looks like when it's great, and what it
looks like when it's great, it's Lamar Jackson, who, because
of his work ethic and his passion, has become the
soul of the city, the soul of the franchise. Lamar
Jackson's unbelievable. He's the greatest all time running talent. And
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now Baltimore finally got him a star back who's healthy,
really nice receivers, Mark Andrews Titan And this is what
it looks like. Think about Buffalo a week ago, we
thought Buffalo is the best team in the world. They
gave up last night. They quit. They just they had
They couldn't stop him nine yards of play in the
first half. This is a guy that is twenty one
and one against the NFC, and Chris collins Worth pointed
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this out. There's no way to prepare for Lamar Jackson.
Your best bet is to be Cleveland, Cincinnati or the Steelers.
You see him a couple times a year and you
kind of understand the game speed and his ability. Those
teams have a much better shot. Not even Mahomes dominates
a conference like Lamar Jackson does. He's twenty one and
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one against the NFC. Because if you don't see him
frequently or never, I mean, he humiliated an excellent Detroit team.
Last year, he humiliated San Francisco. So no star quarterback
in this sport, it's weird, has more critics. But y'all
tell me. I love the athletic quarterbacks. I like my
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quarterbacks to be athletic. But I don't even know if
you can use that term for Lamar because when I
watch him, if you gave me one quarterback and one
team to watch every week half the time, it would
be Lamar Jackson. And what we try to do is
and this is the way it works. We've all had
a boss like this. We all know this is true.
Everybody tries to define you and jam you into a box.
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Like Jamie Foxx goes to Hollywood. He can dance he
can sing, he can act, he can do game shows.
He's funny. He can do anything. Don't put him in
a box. He can do anything. Jackson has a passer,
writing over one hundred in the last three big games
he's faced, because y'all tell me he doesn't win big games. Casey,
Dallas and Buffalo. Two of them were really good defenses.
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He's completing sixty nine percent of his throws. This is
just the throwing part. Sixt D's no picks, so you
don't get any reckless. He get all the upside. What's
the downside? Well, I can't beat mahomes. Well, last time
I checked, nobody except Brady at the end. Could I
watched this kid? Yes, Derrick Henry was sensational. Well, Derek
Henry's been sensational most of his career. He's on the
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latter end of his career. But part of what allows
Derick Henry or a JK. Dobbins or a running back
to flourish with Lamar Jackson in this offense is you're terrified.
You can't cheat, you can't lean into a good back
because if Lamar's decides, I'm just gonna keep it. He's
faster than your corners and your linebackers and your safeties.
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The kid's incredible. I don't want to hear that he
can't win big games. In the last calendar year, he's
destroyed the Niners and the Cowboys, and Buffalo and the Dolphins,
and Houston twice and Seattle and Cincinnati. He's winning big games.
He can't beat Mahomes. The kid is absolutely remarkable. Passer
rating over one hundred, exhilarating. If you're gonna love the
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quarterbacks that move, then you have to love the greatest
athletic moving quarterback at all time. But he's never been
given respect. We're watching all these young quarterbacks throughout the
course of NFL history. They struggle. They come into the league.
They can't quite figure it out. They can't slow the
game down. Lamar's the only player that came in was
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faster than the league. They were hoping he would slow
down Week eleven, first year comes in. Wow, next year MVP.
As long as Lamar Jackson is healthy and quarterbacking the
Baltimore Ravens, they will always be in the Super Bowl bubble.
I think the kids absolutely phenomenal. Buffalo a week ago
looked like the best team in the League, and they
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just waved the white flag. They just surrendered, the hands
up their body language. There's nothing you can do. Here's
the coach after.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
We have weapons. You know, we're just we're blessed with weapons.
I mean when I'm just walked in here right now,
best weapon in football right there, and everybody rallies around
him and he distributes to everybody else. So that's where
it starts.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
We know we are just getting better. We know it's possible,
we know what we're capable of, but we got a
long way to go.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I just I can't take my eyes off Lamar Jackson.
I'm always being sold on all these quarterbacks that run
around and move and might take it. No, I got one.
There's one, and that's what you should look like. And
it's the best I've ever seen. Matt and I listen.
Steve Young was the first time I saw a quarterback,
and I'm like, you can run like all the time
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and be great, and Steve Young was amazing. But this
is better than Steve Young. I know he didn't have
a trophy, but I mean, when you are. He had
a move last night and only picked up a couple
of yards. They got Collinsworth picked up on it where
he literally moonwalked. He went into a hole and put
it in reverse, shifted, went to the left, went back in.
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What was that? What did I just watch? The kid
is remarkable and good for him last night. Okay, here's
what's not remarkable. This one actually shocked me. For rookie quarterbacks,
usually for them to win, it has to be kind
of situational, right, like they're at home, they've got a
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little extra prep time. I thought the Jets with Aaron
Rodgers with extra prep time against Denver and a rookie quarterback,
I thought this was a terrible spot for the Denver Broncos. Instead,
it looked like the Jets didn't practice. It's time to
recalibrate the Jets. They've played four games. They've been really
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good in one of them. The worst team in the
league New England. That was on a short week. They
didn't play well against Tennessee. They got a Will Levis break,
they got housed by the Niners, beat by Denver. Like
this team, recalibrate it. Four games, one really good one.
They are not a well coached team. Thirteen penalties, cadence,
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issues with veteran offensive linemen Bryce Hall, Breeze Hall, excuse me,
where'd he go? What happened to him? So Alan Lazard
screwed up a drive with an idiotic penalty, had to
settle for a field golf. That was Aaron's guy. We
know Aaron seeks comfort, right, that was his guy, and
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Nat Hackett that was his guy. Come on, this offense
is just not good enough. Now I will say Patrick
Er can put him on. Garrett Wilson slows him down.
We talked about that last week. You know there's about
three stop corners in the league, lockdown guys. Denver's got one.
So that was gonna be a tough week for Garrett Wilson.
But it was the penalties Alan Lazard, veteran offensive lineman
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Cadence issues. This is not a well coached team and
this has been the year of the underdog. Believe me,
my picks Friday, It's been the year of the underdog.
But uh, that was a game. You can't lose. The
Jets with Aaron Rodgers, a veteranal line had extra time
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to prepare for a Denver team that decided let's just
stay out East. He'll give us the only chance to
win and It was ugly and I'm not blaming Aaron,
but you know, Aaron likes to be alone. He doesn't,
you know, like to be the only guy like and
it felt like Aaron running around and scrambling and making
up time with his feet. I'll give Aaron Rodgers credit.
He wasn't very accurate. He didn't play particularly well. I
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don't know how to describe the cadence issues. That guy
was running for his life. The two things we worried
about with this team were Aaron Rodgers' health. Sacked five times,
fourteen hits. That is not the recipe. That can't games
like the Jets season can't look like that. Aaron cannot
take that beating. He did a great job to be active,
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to move his feet. He was scrambling. Give Aaron a
ton of credit. But he wanted this offensive coordinator. This
was his choice, and he wanted Alan Lazard and they're
not doing him favors. So the two things we worried
about were Aaron's health that was not that didn't look
good yesterday. And we worried about prickly Aaron Robert Sala
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in Green Bay. You have more veteran coaches, less chaos.
We worried about Sala and Aaron Rodgers, and after that
awful performance at home against a rookie quarterback who threw
for sixty yards. Here was the coach and Aaron.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
After we got to figure it out whether or not
we're good enough to handle all the we're ready to
handle all the kittens at Kitten's had not been an
issue all camp. Felt like our operation had been operating
pretty good. Obviously, today it took a major step back.
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The Cayden specifically, Robert said, that might be something you've
asked have to dial back a little bit. Is that
something you think could potentially help the situation.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
That's fun way to do it. The other ways hold
them accountable. I mean, we haven't had an issue. We've
had one false start, Morgan at one false start, I
believe until this so you know, it's been a weapon.
We use it every day in practice. You know, we
rarely have a full start, and they have I don't
know five today it seemed like four or five. Yeah,
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it's and it seems like an out there. I don't
know if we need to make mass changes.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Once again. Feels like a little pettiness, little anger. Hey listen,
I'm not blaming Aaron. We know he likes to be alone.
He can't do it alone. I'm not blaming Aaron, and
I do not think this is a well run team.
But last week we were talking, Oh my god, ticker
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tape gets like, No, this is still a poorly coached,
poorly owned team with an offensive line that's in flux.
That's what it looked like, and a team you can't
trust in big spots. And by the way, I'll tell
you why that game was so important, and everybody in
New York knows why it's important. The next three games
are the hottest team in the league, the Vikings, the
Bills are in a bad mood now, and the Steelers,
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who can't score but have a great defense. Good luck
with your old line against that Steelers defense. So we
looked at this schedule and we thought, man, you talk
about three layups. You barely get by Tennessee, you lose
to Denver. Now comes some really interesting matchups, because the
end of the season can get real dicey, But these
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were supposed to be layups. Four games, one good performance
and everybody's looked good. I mean the Niners yesterday, what
was that against the Patriots that was that a scrimmage?
It didn't even look like a game. It was more
of a scrimmage. So not good, Jamach, I know you're
freaking out. Now. The good news is New York fans
mostly don't have to watch it in person. Against Minnesota,
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it's over in London. So, you know, a thirty four
to ten loss, you know, you could just you know,
mow the lawn and you don't have to go to
the game or anything.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
All right, let's settle down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
First of all, no freaking out here. It was a
bad loss. I think if there's anything to freak out about,
it's Rogers versus Solla Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
They're not on the same page. And this dates back
to the whole Egypt thing.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Remember where Sala opened his mouth and something silly and
Rogers pushed back and I don't know. I'd like to
get those two in a room in front of the
media and hash this out because otherwise this could fester
all season to ruin it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
For the Jet did we talked about this last week?
It's so funny, So it's really fun when Aaron's in
a good mood off a win. He looks good, he's happy.
But we said Friday. He gets dark very quickly. Aaron
gets dark very quickly. Look at him on that podium.
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If I couldn't hear the sound, he looks pissed. Aaron's interesting,
like a lot of quarterback Tom Brady, if you turn
the sound down, win or lose. I never knew Peyton
Manning didn't know, Like there's a lot of quarterbacks. Lamar's
facial expression, his body language. Aaron literally looks like a
different person when he's in a bad mood. So that's
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what I see. What do you think it's like in
real time in person? So like Aaron stepped to that
podium yesterday, you don't even have to just look at
the body language, look at the face. And he's always
done this. Aaron is split personality. When things are good,
he's charismatic, he's funny, he's a great guest, he's amazing.
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That dude goes dark really fast, and he tends to
passive aggressively turn on people. That's what that felt like
to me. That felt like, oh, is that is that
what the coach says? Or you could hold people accountable?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well, listen, they had thirteen penalties. I read run reports
that ten of them were against the offense. So to
defend Salah, Yeah, a lot of screw ups.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I mean at home.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I know it was in the rain, but didn't played
in the rain too yesterday, right, just just being okay,
bow Nicks threw for sixty yards on the road and
beat Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That can't happen.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
I'm on a Minnesota Okay, let's get to by.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
By the way, that wasn't the worst performance of the weekend.
I saw something yesterday. You know, you and and I
are never shocked. It's sports. We're surprised my picks. I'm
surprised yesterday I saw something. It was as bad as
anything I've ever seen. And I'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
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Speaker 1 (15:21):
I still like Jalen Hurtz. Maybe I'm just wrong on that,
but right now, what does he do? Does Nick call plays?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Is he a defensive whiz? No, He's an offensive guy,
culture builder like Dan Campbell.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Reportedly doesn't get along great with Jalen Hurts, doesn't have
his trust, He's not great with the media. He's not
a quarterback whisperer. You gotta be great at something. Matt
Eberflus can coach defense in Chicago. I know that even
if you're struggling as a head coach, are you good
on your side of the ball. They're not. Don't tell
me it's roster. This is a good roster. Don't tell
me it's the owner. Don't tell me it's the GM.
(15:57):
Philadelphia is one of the better run organizations. They're also impatient.
They don't sit around and wait. They moved off Doug Peterson,
they moved off Chip Kelly had a winning record. They
moved off Carson Wentz after a big contract. But don't
blame the players. I don't want to hear about AJ
Brown's injury. This team doesn't do anything well. What I
watched yesterday in the first half, I'm not seeing if
I've ever in my life seen a roster and a
(16:21):
quarterback that talented not only trailed twenty five to twenty
four to nothing. Forget the fact they trailed, I mean
good teams. Buffalo had bad nights. At one point, Tampa
had two hundred and fifty four yards, Philadelphia had zero.
They did nothing well and again Buffalo last night in
the first half, you know, getting run out of the building.
(16:42):
It happens a lot in Baltimore against Lamar Jackson. It
happens in those night games. This was an afternoon game
against Tampa, a team that had gotten pushed around the
previous two weeks, and it wasn't competitive. The body language
was bad. And yes, it's been an underdog year the NFL,
the Washington Commanders, what the hell's going on? There are
(17:03):
surprises all the time, but that was beyond a surprise.
That was a football team that looked absolutely unprepared, with
really good players all over the place. So I think
it took them a second quarter to get past midfield
and a get who are you gonna blame on this?
Like sometimes it takes a while for the truth to
come out. If not for Saquon Barkley, what would this
(17:26):
organization right now do? Well, Saquon Barkley's great, and he'll
he'll you know, he'll run for yards, he'll get a touchdown.
He'll fool you into thinking, boy, we're doing some things
well here. No, Saquon Barkley's great. He got yards in
New York with a battle line like he's just great.
Sometimes somebody fools you great player and a bad organization.
You think, oh, what a great receiving Cord. No, it
(17:48):
may just be a great receiver. I don't know what
Philly does well, and I don't know what Nick Sirianni
does well. And if you take think about the Jalen
hurt situation, if you take last season and just the
four games this year, Jalen Hurts who has regressed so badly.
He has a passer rating that's lower than Justin Field's.
(18:10):
And so to me, there's a connective thread here. The
longer Shane Steiken is gone a brilliant guy, the longer
he is gone, the worse this team gets. I mean,
there was a little bit where you know he left,
and some of the momentum for the first half of
(18:32):
that season he was gone. You're like, oh, look, Berty good,
they can live without Shane Steikeen. It takes a while
for the truth to come out. And Nick Sirianni, this
is what I was told, This is what I saw
at the press conference, This is what I saw before
he gave Shane Styke in the play calling duties. This
doesn't work. You at least have to know your side
(18:53):
of the ball, like eber Flus in Chicago. We can
bang on him. But the Bears defense and it's excellent
in the red zone, it's excellent third down. We don't
think it has the best defensive personnel, but he can
coach his side of the ball. He's got that side down.
You can bang on Lincoln Riley. USC scores a lot
of points all the time. They got the offensive side down.
But what does Philly do. Well, here's Sirianni.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
After we had nine plays. I mean, you had nine
plays and three of them are third downs. So now
you know he had two carries in time sixth place.
I mean, that's the way I mean when you when
you go three and out that no one's gonna have
any touches. Nobody's gonna have any like nobody's gonna have
(19:35):
any catches. We weren't sustained drives. It's another you know,
we can we say what about the defense, but we
weren't sustaining drives on offense.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So he is defending Saquon Barkley not touching the ball
much early. But I'm more concerned about the regression of
Jalen Hurts. I've seen him with a good coordinator. I've
seen him with Siriani. It's like two different players. So
I think Hurts still has something. People in Philadelphia are impatient.
(20:04):
The Eagles are impatient, but they've paid him and they
got big years left on this contract. I don't think
you have to save Jalen Hurts. He just has to
get somebody that's competent working for him. But I don't
want to hear it's the roster. There are situations where
you like, right now in LA with McVeigh, he didn't
have his top two receivers, the offensive lines in shambles.
(20:25):
He's using backups, and the backups for the Rams aren't
very good. Like there are times Mike McDaniels right now
in Miami. He didn't have Tua, he didn't have his guy,
and their backups and quarterback aren't very good. There are
good coaches out here where you go, hey, listen, they
don't have their best players. But in Philadelphia, well aj Brown,
they have an embarrassment of riches. I mean they've got
(20:46):
players everywhere. One of the best GM's owners. I'm not
a fan of interim head coaches. I think you stick
with it. But you thought Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni
struggled last year. Jalen Hurts, turn on that WIP in
Philadelphia and he's getting dragged all day on that radio station.
I got news for you. They're gonna have to make
(21:07):
a choice, and they're not dumping the quarterback. J mcklin news.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
That looked like a Philly team that was essentially ready
to get on an airplane and go on the bye
week vacation.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
They were down twenty one nothing before I think Philly
had one first down.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Like it was that was really ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
This is a Tampa team that had the last couple
of weeks could not move the ball. It was terrible.
On third down, they did whatever they wanted to.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
The only excuse for Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
He was basically fighting with one tight hand tied behind
his back. No no Brown, no Smith, no Lane Johnson.
Like who was Jalen Hurt throwing to? He got sack
like six two.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You could hand the ball off seven eight, nine straight
time for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Tampa was ready for that one.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Let's start with Jayden Daniels, one of the hottest quarterbacks
in the league right now, Colin. He has completed eighty
two percent of his passes through four games, which is
the best mark in NFL history. Tom Brady had set
the previous record in two thousand and seven at seventy
nine percent.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
He won the MVP that year. We're not gonna talk
MVP today.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But Jaden Daniels has been lights out. This was a
game I was way way wrong on. I liked Arizona,
arn felt confident, and it was seven to seven, and
then Jadon Daniels took the game over him.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He was like, we're gonna score it. Sometimes like I
keep waiting for the bubble to burst a little bit.
I mean, listen, Minnesota. I buy because of all their weapons,
the coach and the defensive coordinator. I knew Kingsbury loved
Jaden Daniels, and I predicted Washington would make the playoffs.
I said, they'll surprise people. They're better than you think.
(22:42):
You start looking at Jayden Daniels. Here's the thing that
I can't get over. It's not that they're moving the ball.
It looks so effortless. They're not getting Their running backs
often don't hit contact for four yards. Their wide receivers
are why made open? So this a lot of this
Jayden's terrific, but a lot of this is scheme. Yes,
(23:05):
Kingsbury is literally it feels like Cliff Kingsbury as a coordinator,
he's like a year ahead of the league on something.
The stuff is, we didn't think they had a dominant
O line. That was one of their concerns coming into
the season was a week O line, and it's it
literally looks like the Cowboys when Dak broke into the league.
There's massive holes and Jaden you know, we said, and
(23:29):
I was told this by a scout that he's got
a little Lamar Jackson. I see some RG three man,
I don't know our rookie year RG three Yeah, I
see Tom Brady eighty two percent from the pocket. What's
going on?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't want to go too overboard with Daniels. I
will say he's faced some of the worst he had.
That's why, just be real. That's why I'm critical.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
This is a real.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's a fact he's faced like only bottom ten defense
is gone.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I know, but even that said eighty two percent. Yeah,
you're watching this off too like it looks like flag
football with the seniors against the sophomores. Now, okay, now
it gets a little tougher, but does it is Cleveland better?
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Well?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Okay, so remember last Monday, I came on here and
I said, Chicago's the play and I was locked that up,
and I said, Tampa against Philly that was the one.
I think you gotta take the Browns and the Jim
Schwartz defense against Jayden Damiens. Ok this will be the
best defense he's faced by far. Okay, Cleveland will not
be a walkover. I know Cleveland's tough to back right now.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
There you go ahead and the back then the vibes are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
About as bad for Cleveland as they are for anyone
in the league right now, see Deshaun Watson and is
offensive line name brutal? But shout out, hey, Cliff Kingsborg,
you said scheme. I think that's the perfect word.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Colin. You look, go look at that Jets take game.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Every Aaron Rodgers throw contested, there was a cornerback right
on the play.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Washington's dudes are wide open all day.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So, I guys, I've never heard.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Of do you ever mean McNichol or something like that
McNichols or what.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Steve Kaim told me. He said, I don't know if
Cliff has the personality and temperament to be a great
head coach. He says, when you free him up. He
told me this when he took the job in Washington.
When you can just let Cliff design and call plays,
he said, he is going to be He'll get other
head coaching offers. He may not be built temperament wise
for the head coach. He struggled at that, managing the
(25:17):
egos and the you know, the crises. But he said
as a play caller, and Steve was a former offensive lineman,
he said, he's brilliant. You're not gonna believe what Washington
looks like. That's what Steve told me before the season.
He said, just let him call plays and design him
and just work with the offense and not have to
regulate manage players. Kingsbury is ahead of the league right
(25:38):
now on stuff. You can't be this open four straight.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Weeks, I mean, and how about Jimen do is? Remember
Week one he ran like sixteen times against Damble. Were like, oh,
he's gonna die by Halloween. No, no, no, he's not
running anymore. He's winning for the pocket. I'm like, oh
my god, things are looking good for Washington and that
was your offseason call.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Remember I didn't think. I didn't think they'd looked like
by the way, with Philadelphia's issue, why can't they win
the division?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Dallas defensive issues, the injuries.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I mean, I'm watching them and I'm like I thought,
O line was their liability. That's what I worried about.
You can't win a division with a terrible old line.
That was the knock the PFF grades. It looks phenomenal
good start.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Less of a good start is Justin Herbert Colin That
high ankle's brain was evident.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Against Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He was sacked twice, hit twelve times by spags in defense,
which is just relixing left and right.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
The Chargers were missing both tackles in Slater and Joe Alt.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Harball was still thrilled with Justin Herbert's effectiveness from the pocket.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
We got to get Justin another another another half second second,
you know, we really do. I mean, he's trying to
get the ball out as fast as he possibly can,
and he is, and like I said, some of those
starts that he made, I mean, it's it's it's I
(27:00):
don't have the adjective for it. I mean it's warrior like,
it's everything and everything humanly power, everything within his human
power and then some.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
His touchdown passed to Ladd McConkie, the Georgia Kidd at
the back of the end zone is one of and
I'm not giving it all to Herbert. Literally, there was
nothing there that showed that was an illustration of how
hard it is with a bad oline, missing your tackles
against Kansas City's defense. They threw a touchdown Herbert to
mconkee back of the ed zone. It was one of
(27:32):
the most amazing touchdowns I've ever seen nobody open and
great catch as well to stay in bounds. But could
you give could justin Herbert in his career just get
one decent offensive line always hurt.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Nobody's ever opened calm.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Ever, now they had no run game without the tackles.
Twenty four carries fifty five yards, Nope, and so Herbert's
got to win from the pocket with LADDI mcconkee as
his best receiver. By the way, they have one completion
the season for longer than the thirty yards.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
That's it. It's a very limit.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I can't get them all down the field when you
have no time to throw.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Things are not looking good for the Chargers. Final story is, oh,
Sunday Night football and the trick played.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The Buffalo attempted to kind of ruin their chances of
a comeback, so they have cut it to twenty eight
to ten and they called this like wacky Curtis Samuel
pitch to Josh Allen and try to vombit and it
ended in disasters.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
You can see on the screen Kyle Vannoy with the
strip sack.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Here's head coach McDermott not happy with the trick play call.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
That's something that Joan Alill discuss at length, and I'm
sure he wants that call back. I do as well,
and we'll learn from that and move forward. Oltimar Ravens
came out and they beat us. They out played us,
They out coached this, and we've got identify the problems
and get them fixed.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, the problems Lamar Jackson and Derreck Henry. That didn't listen.
I know everybody on X went crazy. You gave up
nine yards of play to Baltimore, so that doesn't change
the game. You could not stop Baltimore. Baltimore did whatever
they wanted to. It was a weird time to call it.
I didn't love the play call. I thought it was weird,
but I don't want to hear it changed the game.
(29:16):
Baltimore did whatever they wanted. Happy for Kyle van Noi.
Everybody was thought he was out of the league. Now
he's getting two. I mean, he's just a playmaker. But
this wasn't the game. They couldn't stop the Ravens. They
were running it will.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
It's weird how on Monday Night football the Buffalo Bills
were basically crowned.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Oh this is their Super Bowl year, forty seven to ten.
They smashed the Jags.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
They come out what six days later and look like trash.
That did not look like a good Buffalo Bill scene.
Josh Allen running for his life. I didn't see.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Anything special from the Bills. People just need to remember
this is a week to week league. Okay, you can't
make bold proclamations.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I know everybody now is oh bo Baltimore looks awesome, Colin,
They're back, right.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well? I didn't sell my stock too well. Run of
an organization. I mean yesterday, yesterday I saw two to
three things I could not believe. I could not believe
how bad the Jets offense was I cannot believe what
Philly did in the first half. And the fact that
Baltimore beat Buffalo. I had the Ravens winning the game
(30:19):
like that. No, it was I you know, I mean,
this is this is why casinos are big and gamblers
don't overtime. You know, I had a bad weekend.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
The Kansas City Chiefs are not near the top of
your list. I guess we'll get into the Rashi Rice situation.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I will at some point.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Are we sure they're still going to the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Just just check it?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Okay? Yeah? Being serious, nod.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think they're going to overcome it. They should teach
a course in crisis management in Kansas City. They deal
with this every year. I think they're going to be
just fine. We'll see j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
All right, Chicago Bears at home beat an injury depleted
LA Rams team, which it's just not going to be
Sean mcvay's year. So let's do glass half full. First
of all, the Bears found a running game all quarterbacks,
especially young ones. DeAndre Swift strong performance, catching, running, good news.
(31:29):
Took him forever to find it, but they found it. Secondly,
Caleb Williams has increased his completion percentage in every game.
He looked more poised, he looked comfortable. He had no turnovers,
so that's good. They're two and zero when he doesn't
turn the ball over. Also, Matt Eberflus is a very
(31:50):
good defensive coach. They have a top five third down defense.
I think their red zone defense is pretty good. So
the head coach knows his side of the ball. But
then is this is it? This is what it's gonna
look like. Offensively, you know Caleb Williams, every scout, every
insider acknowledges people who have won Super Bowls. He's transformational.
(32:14):
And yet we're saying, well, he wins when he doesn't
turn it over. That's like Derek Carr or you know,
a Daniel Jonestat, And that's fine, but that's not what
we have here. Throwing the ball downfield just ten yards.
This isn't the Colin glass half full Colin throwing the
ball downfield ten plus yards. His passer rating is twenty eight.
(32:39):
His completion percentage is thirty two. It is a remedial offense.
Now hopefully they can maintain the run game. Caleb looked better.
But man, when you watch this offense like this is
not what it should look like, especially when you watch
Jayden Daniels with Cliff Kingsbury, it can't look like that.
(33:01):
I mean, the Rams, we got to be honest. Here,
no Puka Akua, no Cooper Cup. Offensive lines in disarray,
they got no bullets, they have no playmakers. Everything has
to be a ten play drive. You gotta win that game.
I guess I didn't even truyt Chicago to win the game.
They did. But this week, according to reports, Jay Glazer
(33:23):
reported this Bears players had a meeting with the offensive
coordinator and said, we're not a Pop Warner team. Now
this story now broken by Jay Glazer. Like the team said,
loosen it up, lighten it up, ask more of us.
Here's Caleb. After we're in a flow.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
You know, let us let us let us just stay
in the flow, get going, whether it's the run game,
whether it's the pass games. We get drives going with
the past game, you know, sprinkling a few runs and
we get the you know, the game going with a
few with a few runs, sprinkling the pass and then
you know, keep running the ball. So I think that
was the main, you know, the main point of emphasis,
you know, throughout the week, and obviously us just have
an open communication is most important.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, let's talk about the world champions going for their
third straight Super Bowl, the Kansas City Chiefs. So Rashi Rice,
who had had a tremendous first few weeks, he had
clearly become a go to number one receiver torn Acl,
cross your fingers, torn ACL, bad news, that's out for
(34:23):
the season.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So the Chiefs, however, have become the NFL's Dad Bod.
It doesn't look great, but it's effective. And this is
what they do, crisis management. Nobody manages a game a crisis,
a half, an injury like the Kansas City Chiefs or
a big trade yesterday. I mean, just think about yesterday.
Fumble on the opening possession, Charger score seven nothing. Then
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they throw a pick on the second possession and lose
their top wide receiver. And then the next three drives
are pun punt, punt on the road. And so the
first five possessions are a fumble, a pick, lose a
star player, Pump pump punt, first five possessions and then
this is what they do. This is very New England,
Belichick Brady. They slowly creep ahead, the defense makes a play,
(35:10):
business as usual. Manage the crisis. Oh we're within a touchdown,
Oh we're tied, Oh we lead. Travis Kelcey suddenly emerges.
He had more yards than any receiver yesterday. So Travis Kelcey,
you know, looked like Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt signed off
the street, suddenly became a playmaker. You can say what
(35:32):
you want. It's we said this two weeks ago. It's
very New England. I mean New England has Spygate, the
flight Gate, obviously, the tragedy Aaron Hernandez. There was always
something with New England and they always figured out a
way to manage it. And they should teach a course
in crisis management, because they've got one. I mean the
(35:52):
Tyreek Hill trade that was going to end it. And
they tried Tony and he drove him nuts and that
was fine, and then Juju Smith Schuster left and now
he's back and it's fine. Yesterday, Chris Jones, they just
rotated him all over the defensive line. Yeah, go attack
that rookie, Go attack that guy. They just they're not rigid.
(36:13):
You know, there is no the Patriot way. You know,
there always felt a little bit with New England. There
was a little bit like a way to do things,
and their way to do things is to be amenable
to change. No, Tyreek Hill, let's change the offense. They've
rebuilt their defense, they're O line twice. Their receiving corps
is constantly in flux, and they keep hoisting the trophy
(36:35):
so they find comfort and crisis. It freaks most organizations out.
So and what's weird is every single Kansas City game
looks the exact same. So they've won ten straight, nine
of ten in one possession games. They're the opposite of
the Ravens. There is no roller coaster. They're all close,
they win them all and they all kind of look
(36:56):
the same. Some have been ugly. They often trail, they
lose a player, have to make a replacement. They get
a guy off the street. It's a guy you've never
heard of. This is just what they do. And that's
what you can do when you have owner GM coach
quarterback AAAAA plus because crisis is inevitable in this league.
We've always said this. Even the good teams New England
(37:17):
had crisis all the time. How do you handle it.
It's not college football where you're Alabama and you get
a Georgia game and its circled like six months ahead,
like that's gonna be the toughie, you know. I mean,
like one time a year in Alabama Georgia and Ohio
State goes well, they have even talent. That's not the
way it works in the NFL. Yesterday Buffalo got housed
(37:38):
Philadelphia down twenty four to nothing, Like the margins are thin.
If you don't show up, you get boxed. And so
I mean, here's Mahomes on another ugly close win.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
We weren't playing good.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
But I think the best thing about it is, I mean,
no one talks about it and they start to now,
but our defense is a really good defense, and they
know how to shut the door and keep us in
football games, and then they believe that the offense is
going to find a way to score enough points in
the end.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So the test results are not back yet on Rashie Rice,
who was having a terrific season, bumpy off season for him,
so he came into the season, there was turbulence. Again.
You don't want to be noisy, you don't want major holdouts.
But between the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey, Rashie Rice, there's
always noise around the world champions who you know, have
(38:28):
star power everywhere. But this is what they do. And
I said this two weeks ago and I'll say it again.
When New England was at its best, they had the
best quarterback, the best coach. They had like a Scott Pioli,
they had Robert Kraft, they had tremendous leadership, and New
England won a lot of close games. Take out the
Randy mossh years. They were not blowing people out. It
(38:49):
was a lot of close wins and nobody was better
in crisis. And that's what the chiefs are. Colin right,
Colin wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
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