October 2, 2024 • 56 mins
John reacts to the news that Davante Adams wants to be traded from the Raiders by diving into the real reason why NFL organizations fail even though the NFL sets up all teams for success. Later, he discusses what it would mean for the Eagles and Cowboys if Washington continues to win. Later, the latest installment of "Kauff on Campus."
Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
8:28 - Organizations are set up to win
21:32 - What Washington winning means
27:41 - Kauff on Campus
48:20 - Mailbag
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What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out
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Speaker 1 (02:06):
A lot going on today? There were some news that
broke about Davante on the trading block and he requested
a trade. I did a video, just video only, of
just reacting to that right probably after an hour after
kind of when viral on the internet. So if you
want to see my thoughts on that, go to the
YouTube page. Also posted a golf video of me just
(02:27):
playing eighteen holes trying to break eighty at TBC, so
you can check that out on YouTube as well. Today,
I'm going to dive in a little about Davante and
the Sola Rogers situation, just you know, dysfunction in the
NFL because for some reason, the same teams stay having
the same crap happen to him, and the good teams
have crap happen to him too, but are just way
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less phased by it all. And there's obviously some common
themes Jaden and the Washington Commanders obviously, who knows, maybe
they end up trading for him, but looking at their
schedule over the next month, they could if they keep winning,
and there are a lot of winnable games where I'm
sure they're gonna be favored. They could make it really
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weird on Sirianni and McCarthy. A couple teams that they play.
They don't play either team till toward the end of
the season, So we're gonna get a lot of Commanders
Eagles and Commanders Cowboys. And then, as we do every Wednesday,
little cough on campus wanted to dive in obviously the
big game Georgia Alabama. My guy Calin Duboor and someone's.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like, you say, do boor it's Duboor. Yes, we all
know who I'm talking about.
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And just some other stuff going on around college football.
Middlecoff Mailbag at John Middlecoff Instagram, Fire in those dms
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And other than that, we're rocking and roll the podcast.
Make sure subscribe to the podcast if you listen on
Collins Feed. But before we talk football, Maria, my fiance
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just got her Oklahoma shirt Boomer sooner. We're officially going
to the Oklahoma Texas game. I said I was gonna
go to a big college football game this year with
stipulations people like, how are you not going to LSU
at night or you know, Georgia bam or something. I
need an airport where I can get out of early
in the morning Sunday and be at my doorstep before
(04:19):
the games kick off ten at ten am. Kind of
what pays the bills, you know in this establishment. And
I can get a JSX flight out of Dallas and
be home at nine thirty in the morning. So it
just logistically made a lot of sense. And my guy,
Drew Hill is the GM at Oklahoma, so I'm very
arch manning. I keep my fingers crossed. He's playing even
(04:40):
if quinn Yours played, regardless of what happens there. But
I did it because of my friends at game time,
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been looking around see where I want to sit, how
I want to angle, It doesn't really matter. Am I
gonna be just drinking some beers, having a good time
in my ou gear Because listen, I've been a Boomer
Sooner guy since Drue went there and through Bob Stoops,
(05:01):
Lincoln Riley and now Venables who I mean, got very
very lucky to get a win an Auburn. But hey,
we don't apologize for wut's around here. Texas looks good,
even though they were kind of on cruise control this year.
But or this week, any game you want to go to,
an NFL game, a college football game. The NBA is
about to start, so we'll probably what is October first.
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By the end of the month, you'll have of NBA
games going and he playoff Baseball action. My guy Buster
Posey back in charge of the Giants.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Get Ready.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Might take a couple of years, but the Giants will
be back relevant again. We got rid of Analytical Elite,
far Onziety, Gabe Kapler, one of the biggest frauds of
all time, and get Buster in there running the show.
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Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
My brother once went duck hunting with Buster Posey, and
Buster looked at him. My brother's like five years younger
than me, so he's now like thirty four thirty five
years old. And Buster looked at him like how this
was like five six years ago to ask him, are
you what are you like forty years old? Jam was
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price is guaranteed. Maybe I have some new listeners since
the combine, but many of you that listen to all
of our stuff during the combine. One consistent theme that
I had when I went it was the first time
I had gone in a couple of years, was just
how evident it was.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When you go there, you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Look around because it's one of the rare events in
football where literally the whole league is there. I mean
a couple teams have chosen not to send their whole
coaching staff or just limited scouts, but most teams sending
their entire coaching staff from head coach down, their entire
scouting staff, from GMD, their entire front office. Really, owners
(07:03):
are there, agents are there. Everyone that matters, you know
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Media is there.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's just a really really big event, and you really
get the feel for God in a league full of parody,
in a league where every team has money if they
so choose to pay their best players big time cash,
so there really is no excuse. Some buildings and stadiums
(07:30):
make more money than others. But because of the media
rights deal, if you want to give Joe Burrow to
a hundred million dollars, you could easily do it. If
you want to pay Jamar Chase and T Higgins as
well you can do it now. You have to choose
this the way I want to build my team or not.
But it's not from This isn't baseball or Some teams
literally just don't generate any money, and the TV deals
(07:52):
clearly aren't the same. So the Yankees, the Red Sox,
the Dodgers, whoever, just have way more capital to spend
on than other teams. It's like, well the owner's rich, Well, yeah,
his franchise generates no money. Heard it with the A's forever.
It's not the way football works. Every team is flush
with cash, some obviously have more than others, but it
(08:13):
is not a deterrent if you want to pay guys.
But you go to the combine and you see the
emblems and the logos because everyone's wearing their team issued stuff,
and you're like, I just saw like fifteen franchises. This
is March, right or late February early March. The season's
not for another six months. You're like, they got no
chance to win seven games. It doesn't even matter what
(08:35):
happens in free agency or the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They are screwed.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Now. Every once in a while, a situation like Washington,
literally the owner sells starts over signs a couple of
new guys. They're starting at scratch, and time will tell
how just fickle the owner is in terms of if
you if you lose a couple of games, how he
treats people so that that story is yet to be written,
(08:59):
but you could you never know. We've seen Jimmy Haslam
get a team been a disaster, David Tepper get a
team ben a disaster. But I was thinking, like, why
are some teams more functional than others? Why do the
same teams Like think about the AFC right now, who
are the best teams in the AFC? Chiefs, the Bills,
(09:20):
the Ravens. I mean, what are they all of common?
It's all the Andy retreat. But like Andy Reid's been
in Kansas City now a decade. He was in Philadelphia
fifteen years. John Harbaugh has been on the Baltimore Ravens
for what fifteen plus years. Sean McDermott feels like he's
been there a long time, same coach, same GM, Mike
(09:40):
Tomlin been there, I don't know since I was in college.
So the same teams consistently are above five hundred competing
in the playoffs every single year. That's that well, we
have new teams. Yeah, we have a movement here and there,
but the same consistent squads. Like look at the NFC,
who's gonna be there? Niners will be playoff team. Right
(10:02):
the AFC South Tampa's three and one, They've been in
the playoffs four straight years. Jason light kind of knows
what he's doing, not going anywhere. I would bet when
the dust settles, the Eagles or the Cowboys are in
the playoffs. And like the Rams would have been a
playoff team. They just have seven million injuries. And I
was thinking about Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett. Munger just
(10:25):
died and I just googled what year did they meet?
They met in nineteen fifty nine, and a couple of
years later he was officially they were working together and
worked basically hand in hand as best friends till the
day he died, which was pretty recently. And think how
many people in business partnerships or relationships. If you get
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into a big fight or have serious adversity early, it
can ruin it, It can break a relationship, it can
just end it, which very understandable. You don't have have
much equity with the other person, right, like Robert Sala
and Aaron Rodgers. They've been together what four games in
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five plays?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They don't have equity together.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, everyone getting tight. There's been no success.
What happens when you start zero to two and you're
John Harbaugh and Eric Tacosta. You go, hey, remember two
thousand and eight when this happened. Remember twenty fifteen when
this happened. I think about John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,
who have now been going on what year eight or nine?
(11:34):
Sayming with Les need and Sean McVay. He's literally known
the Shanahan family for over twenty years. Like, you can't
fake sweat equity, personal experiences. Brett Veech started working for
Andy Reid in like two thousand and six. Now, obviously
he changed positions over the years, but think how long
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they have known each other. Think about in the football world,
all the experiences they have gone through. If someone listening
to this and you've been married ten years, fifteen years,
twenty years, like it takes a lot. Obviously you still
get in fights, you still have disagreements with your significant other,
but after a couple hours or after a day, you
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shake it off. You get over it and you move on,
seeing that done, that been, there will be there again.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Not that big a deal.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yet, when you have no equity and you constantly have change,
it is hard to handle these crazy situations that football
throws at you. The Raiders who have made the playoffs
twice in twenty plus years, they don't have a playoff victory,
a playoff victory since I was a junior in high school.
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I was born in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You do the math.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Getting old, they are constantly I was thinking about this today.
They're constantly going through coaches and gms. What's up with
the Giants who are losing again? Think how many coaches
and gms they've had in recent memory. Look at the
Jets always losing, Think how many coaches they've run through.
When you don't and listen, I don't blame people for
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firing people that don't work. And there's some randomness, right
because no one knows Bill Belichick's gonna be Bill Belichick.
No one knows Sean McVay is going to turn out
to be Sean McVay. Obviously, you like them when you
interview them and hire them, and you keep your fingers
crossed best case scenario. But when you don't hire the
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right people or don't give people enough time, you're constantly
gonna lose. It's why the same teams lose year after
year after year. Does Trevor Lawrence suck right now?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yes he does.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You can make any excuse you want, the organization, the coach,
the scheme, the O line, whatever you want to watching play.
He's not very good, but there is a reason in
that place. I think Gus Bradley drafted in the top
five like five straight years, fired him, got another guy,
lost again. Now they got Doug Peterson. He's gonna get
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fired and they'll be looking for a new coach. Do
I think the next guy they hire will figure it out?
I do not, because he's just based on history. It
is hard to win in dysfunctional places. It breeds off
each other. Now, some places can be dysfunctional and you
hire the right guy and they leave that all behind,
and as time goes on, it just it becomes the
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new norm of winning and consistency. But when you don't
hire the right people, when your owners are fickle, and
you know, after a loss or after weird things happen,
pull the trigger and fire people. You're always going to
have problems, Simply you will. And when you look at
the Jets, their owner's nuts. He's not a good owner, period,
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point blank, end of story. Mark Davis is not either,
He's awful. So when you look at these situations like
everyone making a big deal over Robert Salla and Aaron Rodgers,
of course every loss is going to be a big
deal because they have no history together. In what world
do we think that a guy who's never won as
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a head coach and a forty year old quarterback who
can be a little moody and passive aggressive. Things don't
get weird when you lose a game where the opponent
scores ten points at home. Now, if that happened to
the Baltimore Ravens, if that happened to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
When the forty nine Ers just shot down their leg
the other day and lost to the Rams, it doesn't
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derail the season.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But you feel it with the.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Jets, You're like, God, this thing could get weird fast.
Of course it could because they have no equity together
as a group. They just traded for DeVante Adams. It
feels like twenty minutes ago, such a big deal. Great
trade first round or bring them with Derek Carr. Year later,
Derek Carr is gone, five weeks later, Josh McDaniels and
the GM are gone. A year later, DeVante's gone, and
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the head coach who no one in their right mind
would have envisioned being a head coach two years ago
is now they're head coach, liking things on Instagram, making
things weird. It's just not a very complicated sport. Obviously,
the playoffs can be random. If your quarterback plays badly
like Lamar has, you're gonna lose. If your defense is
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not good in big spots Buffalo Bills, you will lose.
But like, there's a reason those guys are always there
and the same teams, Like are you gonna bet against
the Jets? Are you gonna bet against the Raiders? You
always should until they prove otherwise. And I think it
just gets down to the owner, because at the end
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of the day, they're the guy in charge of everything,
and the people running the organizations have those jobs because
of those guys they hire them. I think it's fair
to say they have no clue what they're doing. And
I'm just picking on those two teams because they're in
the news right now, and whenever I hear this media creation,
like no one's making this up.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We're all watching it. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like anyone with a brain goes, yeah, Davonte Raiders, that
doesn't make any sense. Miami Dolphins, that would be my
next one to circle, Like that thing could get weird,
and that thing could get weird fast. Now you could
be like John, of course, all the winning teams have
less ysfunction. Part of it is being able to take
a deep breath and get through the Andy Dufrain sewage drain,
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and most owners at this point in time are just
not willing to do that. It's like, couldn't we blame
the Jets for getting rid of Sam Darnold, or like
maybe I should have wrote it out for like five years.
The Cleveland Browns, Joe Flacco said yesterday on Pat McAfee,
they did not even call me. Of course they didn't.
They're in with Deshaun Watson. They can't bring Joe flaccoback
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the entire town had already been calling for. Of course,
he gets in the game against Steelers. What happens, throws
a couple of touchdowns and they win. So it's like yeah, shocker,
the brown suck. I mean, who could be taken aback
by that one?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I just think this thing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The best teams are gonna keep winning because their people
are going nowhere, and these same teams are just gonna
keep running through coaches, running through gms, running through players.
Once they lose a couple of games, everyone freaks out,
because you probably should freak out because it's only gonna
get worse because those people typically don't know what they're doing,
and even if they will one day, they're not gonna
get enough time in those places. So not shocked at
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all to see the Raider news today. Not shocked at all,
Like what happens if you go across the pond and
lose to Minnesota. Though, I kind of like the Jets
this week because I feel like everyone's gonna pick Minnesota.
It's gonna get weirder, of course it will, but plus,
in this given situation, this.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Isn't like some long term plan.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This was all about seventeen games this week. So in
fairness to anyone overreacting to the Jets situation, like yeah,
you got a four year old quarterback, you got a
coach on the hot seat, you got you know, a
patchwork roster of older guys that get injured a lot. So, yeah,
you lose to Denver Broncos. They scored ten points at home.
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I don't care if it's a monsoon, a hurricane, a snowstorm.
You gotta win that game, and the Jets didn't. It
was pretty ugly. Rewatched it the other day. Obviously, Sirianni
and McCarthy are just guys talked about NonStop. McCarthy in
the last year of his deal. Basically everyone in Philadelphia
thinks Syrianne probably should have been fired last year's coaching
for his job this year. Listen, I thought I picked
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the Cowboys to win that division. Doesn't look great. Who knows,
they got a bunch of injuries. I wouldn't feel great
about the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Winning that division.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Their defense is anee Mick and Jalen has not been
very good. The problem for them, though, is what if
Washington wins like ten games. Before I would have said, like, hey,
even if one of those two teams gets to nine,
they'll win the division. Then I pulled up Washington scheduled
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that they're three and one right now, and they are
just vibing. If you just go to their social media.
They just look like they're having a really good time
there is And listen, I saw a Rogers quote or no,
this is Kirk Cousins, and he's not wrong. You can
lose in a building where there's great culture and it's
still miserable, and you can win in a place where
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there's bad culture and it's really fun. Like this is
the best part about sports, but specifically football, winning cures everything.
And would they be vibing if they were one and three,
of course not. It's a double whammy. Not only are
the three in one, but their rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Looks like a star.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But they're scheduled today. They got the Browns at home
this week. Then they play the Ravens, which obviously gonna
be really tough in Baltimore, probably, you know. Then they
have a three game stretch Panthers at home, Bears at home,
and then the Giants, who they beat by a field
goal but really kind of worked them in that game.
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It's not inconceivable if they win. I could be conservative
here and just have them go three and two. You're
talking about a six and three team. All of a sudden,
you're at nine wins. You got eight to go, if
you go four and four down the stretch, you're a
ten win team. And with the Cowboys defensive injuries and
they already had question marks of defense with everything going
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on with Sirianni, what if one of those both those
two teams don't get to ten wins, because you'd have
to assume they don't play those two teams, you know,
till the latter half of the season, like late November on,
they're not going on four in those games. I would say,
best case two and two, but they're winning one of
the four. I'd feel pretty good about two but one.
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They also have the Titans on the schedule, So all
of a sudden, you go, well, what if they get
to ten and seven and that wins the division. Now
we'll have to see how the rest of the NFC
plays out, but I know this, if one of those
two teams misses the playoffs, Audios, if they both miss
the playoffs in Washington and Jayden Daniels wins the division
(22:24):
with ten wins and hosting a playoff game, what a
disastrous season. I think that's on the table at this
point in time.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I would bet as we sit here today, August first,
or excuse me, October first, I would just have more
faith in the Eagles just because they literally got more
guys playing, Like it's if Parsons has to miss three
weeks and Lawrence misses who knows how long. That's really
like there's nothing you can do to plug and play
(22:54):
when your defensive line was already atrocious. So like, bo've
got major issues. The Cowboys think, get away from them,
and get away from them fast. Luckily the Eagles on
a bye then they get the Browns. Maybe take a
deep breath and still kind of hold pace with Washington,
But both those two teams better be very careful. Now
it's the NFL rookie quarterback. You can never just chalk
(23:16):
up guaranteed wins. But what we've seen the Commander's offense
through the first three weeks, or excuse me, the last
three weeks, I think they've punted once. Brown's at home,
Panthers at home, Bears at home. They're gonna be favored
in all three of those games. Okay, cough on campus
(23:43):
love doing this watch. I love watching Saturday football, Like
Sunday football is a little not stressful, but I just
feel so obligated to keep track of absolutely everything going on,
taking notes, getting ready for Colin, then getting ready for
the night game, and putting shows together. Saturday is much
more like play golf in the morning, work out in
the morning, and have some beers, have some cocktails and
(24:05):
just just kind of enjoy it but still gamble on
it and just have a good time and tweet about
it and text my friends about it. But Saturday night
was pretty awesome that place. What a cool game like
it felt when Georgia Alabama. I mean I turned on
the game with like thirty minutes intro, and I never
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watch College is different, but like in the NFL, I
don't watch pregame shows, no shade at anyone on them.
It's just I'd rather do something else of my time.
When the game starts, it starts. But in college, the
build up of game day, they had Saban on the set,
They had game Day on campus, like literally before the game,
Reese was Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard and Saban.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It just felt really, really big.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And I saw today that the ratings for that game
was the highest rated primetime game in seven plus years,
which happened to also beat Alabama against Florida State. But
that was opening weekend. So to get a game with
that much buzz, that much hype toward the end of September,
a conference game, it just felt special. And then the
(25:15):
way it started, your job is dropped. Like listen, you
guys know where I stand on Kaylin duboor.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But to go up that fast.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And just you start thinking, are they gonna beat this team,
like fifty to ten, and then for Georgia to come back,
I mean they're down thirty three to fifteen with ten
minutes left to go in the game. You got Carson
Beck who just had one of the worst resume building
games you'll ever see. When it mattered like that was
a negative, not a positive. I don't care what happened
(25:46):
in the fourth quarter with NFL scouts, But then Williams
at the end to make that play seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It was awesome. It really was.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And I think college football right now be now those
teams have always you know, they don't play each other
every year because they're on separate sides of the division.
But I don't think they have a divisions anymore. But
you know what I mean, I do think as we
consolidate more and more, you'll just get more of that,
and Collins talked about it, Me and him talked about
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on his pod a couple of weeks ago. You can't
really argue that these matchups are just better. I mean
even Wisconsin USC Wisconsin is not very good, but they
came to play and they were winning the game in
the first half, and you start thinking yourself, is USC
gonna drop this game? This is really gonna happen. And
before that might have been you know, USC Arizona State,
(26:38):
which I do miss, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Can't be.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I don't even know the right way to describe it.
I just have to be honest and say this way
is better and it's only going to get better. And
then I read a headline today that and listen, I
would say, you know, Calen Dubor doesn't need to win
the NAT this year, right, I would say that game
alone was just a pretty incredible moment. He makes the playoffs,
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he wins a playoff game, that's an incredible start. Replacing
a legend Steve Sarkisian because he turned down Alabama last year,
gets a huge contract extension and clearly resurrected that program.
And I've been hard on sark a lot of years,
I still given the old rules, I wouldn't like them
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as much because I think it's very difficult for the
way he coaches to establish a super hard physical identity.
I think it's always kind of been a problem for
him on defense. But because of nil and he has
one of the largest budgets, he can just buy his
way there and listen, the rules are the rules, and
he's taken advantage of him. But you could argue the
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guy that has the most of the line and they're
technically the betting favorite right now, is Ryan Day. I
would say anything less than being in the National champion
Game is going to be a huge disappointment for that program.
So you could argue that he has more pressure on
him than anyone else. And the way Oregans look this year,
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I would imagine when they end up playing Ohio State's
gonna be favored and win that game. Ohio State's not
losing to Michigan. They're probably gonna run the table in
the Big Ten and then the Big Ten Championship game
and be the one or two seed coming into you know,
the playoffs, So that the pressure, it's just gonna be
a mess. And obviously they're really, really good I mean
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they got they got an NFL roster because like Texas
and Oregon, like they have incredibly high NIL budgets, and
if you have a high NIL budget, might as well
take advantage of him by the sweet players. So now
who am I taking? Because I was thinking about this,
de bore three of his last four games he beat
Dan Lanning, who he could see in the playoffs. He's
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beat him three times. He beat Sark as an underdog
with you know, probably man for man, pretty equal teams,
and then he just also equal teams, kicked Kirby's ass.
I know the final score was close, but thirty three
to fifteen with ten minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Well,
the one guy that beat him, Jim Harbaughs now in
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the Chargers. So what game is Alabama going into with
this head coach and having a disadvantage. Now, they might
not have guy for guy as good of a team
as Texas or Ohio State, but I've seen him beat
Sark in a game as an underdog with I mean
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no defense and Ryan Day. I'm sorry, Like, if you
gave the top twenty five programs in this country, ad
the opportunity to hire one of those two guys, I
think it'd be like ninety percent. De More. Not saying
that Ryan Day isn't good, but I don't know if
he can build something from scratch. I've seen Kaitlin do
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that at Washington from nothing to something two years later
in the Natty. Well, I'm seeing Debor right now take
over a program that was he was born on third
base Alabama and he's kicking ass and taking a name.
So he's doing exactly what Ryan Day's doing. I take
Debor all day long over him. So I think if
you're an Alabama fan, if you're an if you're another
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fan of an SEC team.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like they got it right. Man, that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And I'm not saying he plays Kirby ten times, He's
not gonna he's not gonna beat him ten times, but
it's pretty clear he's every bit is equal immediately Boise State. Now, listen,
what Travis Hunter is doing end up being the Heisman, no.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Issue with it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Travis Hunter probably should be the Heisman, just based on
the guy and never comes out of the game and
he's just an incredible player. The powers that be, the
elites in college football, and listen, I've lived it being
a non Power five guy. When I worked at President State,
I get you look down upon the smaller conferences. They
don't play the same schedule, they don't generate the revenue,
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they don't do the TV ratings. But Ashton genty at
Boise State right now, he has eighty two carries for
eight hundred and forty five yards. For those of the
non math majors out there, he's averaging over ten yards
of carry and he has thirteen touchdowns. They've played four games.
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I understand the schedule. He's playing Washington State, even though
he lit up Oregon. The teams he's playing are not
gonna be Georgia, Bama, LSU, will not get the notoriety
Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I get it. This guy's fucking incredible. He really is.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
If you want to watch him, just go to YouTube
and type in his highlights. He had a run in
that Washington State game, broke like three tackles, ran away
from another guy, carried a guy into the end zone.
My comp for him, because I've heard he's like five
six five seven is darren Sprolls and darren Sprolls twenty.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Plus years ago, was draft in the fourth round.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Now football in the NFL used to discriminate a lot
against little guys, especially twenty plus years ago. I think
we do less and less now, partly because catching the
ball is a big deal and his receiving numbers aren't
great because just handing the ball. But he's proven in
previous years he's a true junior he can catch the ball.
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Last year he had five receiving touchdowns. I think this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I understand not taking a five to seven guy in
the first round, but to me, this guy feels like
a lock somewhere between thirty three and forty five. And
this guy's going to play in the NFL. Google Autlong,
darren Sproles played in the NFL. This guy is a stud.
I think I mentioned this a little bit early earlier,
but the Big Ten and the SEC powers that be
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are meeting in Nashville next week to discuss the scheduling alliance.
We can see this coming from a mile away. It
starts with every year, all of our teams play all
of your team's one game in the non conference, and
it basically leads into we're just under one umbrella. Now,
think of what the NFL does, right. You got four
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divisions in the NFC, you got four divisions in the AFC. Well,
every year an NFC division rotates the four different divisions
in the AFC. For example, this year, the NFC East
is playing the AFC North, the NFC West is playing
the AFC East, and so on. And then every year
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you play a new division. So obviously you play your
divisional opponents. You play a rotating division. In the NFC,
you play your strength of schedule opponents, and you're just
constantly rotating through the league. So over the course of
a couple of years, anyone knows this as a season
ticket holder in the NFL, like, you see a good
mix of teams over the years. And I think one
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issue for college football is listen, me and Colin and
point Lane and then he goes on lose to Kentucky
though Kentucky easily, could it be Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Maybe they're not bad. And I saw some people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Like tweeting it me see this is why you know
I give Ryan Day and the Big Ten. It's like, listen,
I think the SEC is better than the Big Ten.
Obviously the high end are pretty much equals. On a
given year, the top two or three teams. You can
kind of have them stare at each other. But I
do think teams four through eight in the SEC consistently
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have more NFL guys, specifically defensive linemen and defensive backs,
so when you get them on the right day, it
makes them difficult. Why did Kentucky give Georgia and then
Lane trouble? They have NFL defensive linemen right, and a
lot of them, just like a lot of teams in
the SEC. And I'm not like pro SEC anti big ten.
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I'm just saying, like I think the middle tier of
the SEC is better than Wisconsin, is better than Minnesota.
Like I'll take Kentucky over those programs, not necessarily like
in theory like Wisconsin should be a cooler football program,
But in twenty twenty four, those programs, the players which
they get, I feel more confident in them in terms
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of judging the depth of your conference. But I want
to see these schools play each other. If you want
to talk about the SEC half, their programs refuse to
play anybody beside the SEC games because they go, well,
look at the SEC schedule and you got lanes scheduling.
You know Col Paly, Arizona School of the Mines, and
you know the School of the Blind and the Deaf,
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and then all of a sudden, you play real games,
like we didn't even know if you're good or bad.
I mean, we know they're not as probably as bad
as they looked, but.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They're not as good as they've looked either.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So why Tennessee gets so much credit when they kick
NC State's asked and they go on the road and
beat Oklahoma, and I know Oklahoma's now in their conference,
but no one cared that they were up sixty five
to nothing against Kent State. Nobody cared because it's just
a relevant game and the faster we can get away
from all this, Like, those games should not exist, I've
said forever. The Boise States, the President States, the San
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Diego States, Appalachian State before.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
They bumped up.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I got no issue with you playing a game against
those guys, But playing the D one double A opponents
is an embarrassment to everyone involved, to your players, to
your administration, to your fans.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's useless.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Imagine if, like, you know what, the Steelers are gonna
play a USFL team this week, It's like they they
need to breather before they play the Ravens. That's essentially
what's happening here?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It really is. So I.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Think there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Now,
how we get there, how fast we get there? Who knows?
This is college football and anytime you get college athletics
and the NC DOUBLEA and it's it's a rocky road.
But I do think we will get there sooner than later.
When I had my guy Derek Ray on the podcast
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the GM of Florida State, he was in good spirits.
He was in good spirits. It was the offseason. They
just went thirteen and one. They had produced I think
six guys in the top eighty picks, obviously multiple first rounders,
multiple second rounders. That team they had last year was really,
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really good. And if it wasn't for Jordan Travis having
his leg snapped, I don't think it's inconceivable that they
could have won a playoff game. They definitely would have
been in the playoffs. Would they have been the worst
team in the playoffs, probably, but still they had NFL
guys at key positions like Derek, and I think he's
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good and I think Norvelle's good. But they did make
a devastating decision. Now, part of it is I don't
know all the details else who they wanted, how much
money they're getting. You know you want cam Ward, but
he's being offered more by Miami. The head coach ain't
the guy right in the checks. I do think getting
into bed with dj Unglula was pretty stupid at the time,
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and obviously it looks worse now, but they were thrown
somewhat of a bone.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
He got injured. He should never play again for their program.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't care who their backup is. Obviously the backup
starting this week because he broke a couple fingers. They
play Clemson. There's a pretty good chance Florida State is
one in five. And I think you got to be
very careful at certain positions, specifically quarterback, when you go
to the transfer portal. If you get the wrong guy. Now,
I think most people listening would say, God, what are
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you guys talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
We've watched DJ for years.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He stinks.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I'm not disputing that I would not have done that.
They were high on him for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
He's clearly a good kid.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
People like him, but he can't play quarterback. I mean,
he has six interceptions this year and four touchdowns, But
I don't think and he's almost fifty percent completion percentage.
It's like barely over I think he's like fifty two
or fifty three percent. But when you watch him, those
numbers that I just rattle off feel like that feels
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like Dan Marino dropping those numbers compared to what you see,
because when you see him, you go, is this legitimately
the worst player in Power five or Power four at quarterback?
Like it feels like you could make that argument that
there can't be five guys playing worse than this guy.
Now you can say their offensive lines, underachieving, whatever you want.
Just watch him play. He's gone awful and you just
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got to get out of this business. And I think
the one thing you got to be careful with is
when you do cut a check for a guy whatever
that might be one hundred grand, five hundred grand, whatever,
If that guy can't play, your nil and your money.
People have to realize, like, if you're all in on
me and listen, gonna make mistakes happens in the NFL
all the time you signed bad contracts, guess what will happen.
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That guy will get benched, that guy will stop playing.
Got to be able to do that in college football,
and then like in the NFL, where you get multi
year contracts, like how do we figure this out? You
just kind of bench him.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And move forward.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
In college football, it's really just based on a year.
You gotta have a quick trigger finger because when it's
completely obvious, there's one thing to like hit a rocky
road like rough game. But if after two and a
half games, I thought they should have benched the guy
halfway through the cowgame, which they got very very lucky
to win. So I just I think the nil. I
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gave a lot of props to Unov because I'm still
reading thing pieces is college football gonna crumble? They literally
let the guy walk because he's from Holy Cross, and
they said, we're not paying you one hundred grand. We
honestly don't even think you're that good. They let him walk.
They won their next game against a three to one opponent,
fifty nine to fourteen. My friend of state Bulldog's got
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ransacked and the guy they threw in there accounted for
four touchdowns. Thank god they didn't give Sluka one hundred
grand would have been a waste of money, So you
got to allocate your funds. Saban said it on game
day a couple of weeks ago, He's like, listen, you
pay the wrong players. You got problems. And eventually, at
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these big programs with these huge budgets, some guys you
pay are not gonna work out, are not.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Going to be very good.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
You're gonna have to bench, are gonna be below average
players for you. But everyone better be on the same
page as like, hey, the money's already spent, or hell,
stop paying them, we'll get into legal action whatever. But
you can't keep rolling a guy out there just because you're.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Playing him a couple hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Because that will be the downfall of your season. And
I think the downfall of Florida State season was giving
a guy a little money. And I honestly have no
clue how much they gave him. I would doubt he
got like a million bucks.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But even if they gave.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Him three four hundred thousand dollars, you spend it. Let's
move on bench the guy. I don't care what you
think of the backup. He can't be worse than what
you're rolling out.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Okay, Middlecoff mail back time.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
You guys know the drill at John Middlecoff At John
Middlecoff fire in those dms.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Get your question.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Answered here on the show from my guy Caesar, long
time big fan. With Devonte requesting a trade and Raiders
shopping him around, by the time you're listening to this,
he might be on a different team. Wouldn't it make
sense to see what the Jets would give up? Maybe
even throw in Reddick, pair him with Crosby and Wilkins.
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Seems like all parties win. I think if you're the
Raiders and I saw Albert Breer, if you factor in
age in recent form. Now, part of his recent form
is because the quarterback situation, I think he's a better
player right now than Keenan Allen, but Keenan I think
win for a fourth obviously big salaries too, that'd be
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tough to stomach. Now would you take would you rather
have Reddick and a fourth or just try to get
the desperation out of the Jets and hope to get
like a I don't know, a third that turns into
a conditional second. Like the thing with Reddick. Do you
want to pay him and then just go all on
your defensive line? You still need draft capital to try
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to get a quarterback. So now, could you sign Sam
Darnold this offseason, Flacko, maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I don't know. I think it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think if you're trading him, you're not really looking
for a player.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Would be my thing. You want draft picks, It's about
the big picture.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm sure if you've gotten this question from another Niners
fan already, But would you trade BA for a second?
BA in a second for divine to Adams?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well you can't now.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Because they just paid him a huge signing bonus. So
once you sign a contract, like Brandon almost said, Brandon Ingram,
Brandon Ayuk is gonna be on the night.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
He's not a tradable player. So this is where the night.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I think the mistake the Niners made. If they could
do it all over again, do you know what they
would have done. They would have traded Brandon Ayuk before
the draft either if they got a second and a third,
trade him with the Steelers. Use those picks, you know,
trade them wherever and use that capital to get players.
You're watching the team, You're like, do they even need them?
Ricky Pearson is going to come back. Juwan Jennings is
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a stud. Debo's playing. Kittle's out there. I just I
wonder if they'd like to have that one back. I
was watching your videos of places DeVante could go. I
know it's a long shot, but this division has been
struggling near the top, and this seems to be a
star young quarterback. Why do the commanders not try to
get Adams with scary Terry to form a.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
One to two punch. Ad McCaffrey in there too. He
looks pretty good.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
The best dbs are in the AFC, and these two
wide receivers helping Daniels. I think this could be a
really intriguing fit. Honestly, the first thing that jumped out
to me was, if you are the commands and no
one else is willing to go like very high, would
you offer a couple thirds and give DeVante an extension
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like trade for him and give him like a two year,
sixty million dollar extension. Because part of having the young quarterback,
the value in that is being able to acquire a
guy like that and pay some money. Who else are
you paying now? Obviously you can't. I think even a
second still pretty risky because those picks are pretty valuable.
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But I think that Adam Peters and Dan Quinn are
having a long conversation right now, because I would have
to think long and hard about it, depending on what
the compensation was, and then immediately extend him and you
get with scary Terry and Brian Robinson had some pretty
good offense.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Hey, John from.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Washington, so city in Washington, I can't even pretend to pronounce.
I was lucky to be able to witness the LB
days same well sweet, But no one seems to talk
about my favorite running back, mar Sean Lynch. My question is,
do you think the Beast mode is a Hall of
Famer why or why not?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I think he's definitely a Hall of Fame talent. I
think it's based on longevity. Super Bowl Champion probably could
have two. I mean, was clearly a top I would
say three running back for a long, you know, four
or five year period of his career. You know, honestly,
I haven't thought that long and hard about it. My
first reaction is, yeah, I could see him get in.
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I don't know if he's a first He's not like
Adrian Peterson or Ladanian Tomlinson, but I think when you
factor in winning, when you factor in his peak years, though,
you know, it's kind of rocky in Buffalo goes to
uh goes to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So yeah, I have no beef with it.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
First question, with Primetime being such a great figure in football,
but also being there for his kids and his quarterback
being forecasted to go first round, maybe top ten would
an owner, GM and coaching staff draft him knowing how
much influence media would be part of possibly with Sanders
coaching career and his son being coached in the NFL,
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questioning coaching decisions or where he goes. Knowing owners like
being in control of their franchise, working for the Eagles,
knowing how owners like to run the franchise, can you
give insight how would team handle this from the front
office to the field coaching staff? Is too early to
see which teams will finish at the top of the draft.
Bonus question, how do you think Major League Baseball would
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be better if they had.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
A hard cap? I don't even care.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't think it matters in Baseball in terms of
the cap.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Same teams would be winning.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
And if you're a poverty franchise right now, I don't
feel bad for you. I would say with dion'son, I
think you'd have to take into account, you know, like
when Dion was drafted, there was a lot of hooplab
behind him. Now, he was, I mean, probably a top
fifty prospect of all time any sport. I mean just
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I mean, he's one of the greatest talents we've ever seen.
Obviously could play baseball too, but his dad wasn't also
a head coach and have a huge media platform and listen,
Dion doesn't give a shit, so I hadn't even thought
about that angle of it. But yeah, I mean he
was gonna say some stuff that makes headlines. So if
you're the Giants, right, if you're a big, big market team,
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everything Dion says about Shador would become a headline. But
I don't think you can be consumed with that. If
Shador is the best talent and you know, the highest
graded guy on your board, I think teams would just
pull the trigger and deal with that later.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I've never had a conversation with that owner. Honestly, I
think some owners might like it, to be honest with you,
it just puts a spotlight on their franchise.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
What I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
We've seen two high level running backs, Saquan and Josh
Jacobs recently sign with the team and then come out
and say the team playing on real grass versus artificial
turf factored into their decision to go there. So clearly
players at the top are taking notice of playing services
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given teams a competitive advantage in free agency. So why
don't more teams rip out their turf and put in
grass in order to give themselves a better chance to
land themselves the next Saquon in free agency? I think
that's a sexy headline, but like, how many teams were
truly in the market for those two guys. I think
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it'd be a bigger deal if, like the number one
defensive player made a decision because of that. Like at
the end of the day, like the markets for the
running backs are relatively small. I think it just gets
down to money, and these owners are cheap. It's it's
crazy to say, but it's really that simple. It's why
do the Giants and the Jets play on the shitty
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turf because they don't want to replace it because it
would cost them, which is insane to me. It's like,
you guys both have two hundred million dollars payrolls. We
just saw Rogers tears Achilles there last year. A ton
of guys have torn their achilles on other teams or
acls at that place. What are we doing guys? But
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it hasn't changed, and I don't expect it to. It's
crazy to say this out loud, but I do just
think it's just they're cheap. Question for the mailbag this
will be the last one. Do you think the Eagles
regret going all in on Jalen Hurts? Every time I
watch him, he does not look and command to the
offense and like the game plan is trying to work
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around his limitations. I think it's easy. Obviously, if they
could do it over again at sitting here today, they
would take back the contract in a heartbeat. They would
just take back the contract. But at the time they
signed him, he had just looked better than Mahomes in
the Super Bowl. So these last couple of years, I
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mean the year and four games have been rocky, especially
the last calendar. You know, I would say calendar year,
but November December playoff game. In the start of the season,
he's pretty up and down. A lot of down turnovers
are not going away. But when they pulled the trigger
on the deal, he had just been an MVP candidate.
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He had looked incredible in the Super Bowl. I mean
probably just his best pocket game of his career, in
the biggest moments against the brightest lights. You just kind
of bet even if he wasn't gonna play like that
every week, they would just sustain. They clearly underestimated what
the team would look like minus the offensive coordinator, and
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they underestimated that for whatever reason, Maybe he just, I
don't know, let it all hang that game because he,
like you said, just doesn't look in command. There's an
eye test thing. Like you watch Trevor Lawrence, it doesn't
feel like he knows where the ball's going.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
He's not a.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Confident thrower, but he'll throw within the pocket. When you
watch Jalen or you watch Deshaun Watson, Jalen's better than
DeShawn Watson. Both those guys leave the pocket early, and
both those guys all are inconsistent pocket throwers. Now, Jalen
is still much more capable scrambling around, making shit happen,
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making big plays. But if you can't consistently win from
within the pocket, it's i'd argue, impossible to live up
to your contract.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Say what you.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Want about Lamar, and you guys know I'm critical of
him sometimes when he's on he's kicking your ass, moving
around between the tackles, throwing balls very accurate. Jalen just
doesn't have those moments very often anymore. Deshaun never does.
So I don't know. There's just a ton of pressure
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right now on Callen to try to just get the
best football out of him. And because even if they
do regret it, and I'm sure they do, you're kind
of in bed with this guy. You got to figure
this out. You don't have other options because at the
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time when Carson started to crumble and they went to Jalen,
like Jalen was on their team. Second round pick Kenny
Pickett's their backup. So even if, like hey, just is
getting really ugly, there are no better options. You just
you're either gonna lose with Jalen or you're gonna figure
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it out and kind of save the season. Also, in
fairness to him, the defense and Vic Fangio has been atrocious.
I think one thing they immediately regret is the hot deal.
He doesn't make sense with Fangio, that much is clear
through four weeks, makes no sense. Heard someone say he
played thirty three snaps and made one tackle. His stats
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compared to Reddick, who hasn't even played, are kind of similar,
and scheme fit matters. What's Robert sala He knows it's
a much different defense. It's a much different defense than
what Fangio needs. Like his number one I would say
thing that he asked. It feels like it's for his
defensive lineman to hold the point and that's not tough steal.
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He's a nickel pass rusher. Well, if you start him
and he's out there on first down, what you do
You're gonna run right at him. And obviously the two
big guys have overall underperformed. So I draft two defensive
linemen in the top fifteen. It's part of football, though,
like you regret things. I was watching Kyle Hamilton Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
You realize that the Eagles traded up to get Jordan
Davis and they could just drafted Kyle Hamilton in that spot,
but they took Jordan Davis. Which, listen, you take six ' five,
three hundred and fifty pound defensive tackle over a safety,
it's not crazy business. But then that guy needs to
be good. Because I'm watching Kyle Hamilton, it's like it's
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gut a Hall of Famer. And the question with Jordan Davis,
like how much does he love football? I mean, you're
asking those questions three years into a guy's career, how
much does he love football? Because I promise you that
is the question being asked. We got problems, and by we,
I mean Sirianni because and Fansio. You need those guys
(56:10):
to be good. So I say, the Eagles gotta this
bye week. They got to figure out their defensive line,
they got to figure out their defense, and they got
to just figure out how to get Jalen comfortable again.
Obviously he's gonna look better with the AJ Brown out
there and Devonte Smith, but he still should be able
to be pretty you know, efficient when you're paying the
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that's that's on Callen. Mart's why he gets paid a
lot of money, a lot of pressure, the volume
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Speaker 1 (02:00):
What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out
podcast How Are We Doing?
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My People?
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A lot going on today? There were some news that
broke about Davante on the trading block and he requested
a trade. I did a video, just video only, of
just reacting to that right probably after an hour after
kind of when viral on the internet. So if you
want to see my thoughts on that, go to the
YouTube page. Also posted a golf video of me just
(02:27):
playing eighteen holes trying to break eighty at TBC, so
you can check that out on YouTube as well. Today,
I'm going to dive in a little about Davante and
the Sola Rogers situation, just you know, dysfunction in the
NFL because for some reason, the same teams stay having
the same crap happen to him, and the good teams
have crap happen to him too, but are just way
(02:50):
less phased by it all. And there's obviously some common
themes Jaden and the Washington Commanders obviously, who knows, maybe
they end up trading for him, but looking at their
schedule over the next month, they could if they keep winning,
and there are a lot of winnable games where I'm
sure they're gonna be favored. They could make it really
(03:11):
weird on Sirianni and McCarthy. A couple teams that they play.
They don't play either team till toward the end of
the season, So we're gonna get a lot of Commanders
Eagles and Commanders Cowboys. And then, as we do every Wednesday,
little cough on campus wanted to dive in obviously the
big game Georgia Alabama. My guy Calin Duboor and someone's.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like, you say, do boor it's Duboor. Yes, we all
know who I'm talking about.
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And just some other stuff going on around college football.
Middlecoff Mailbag at John Middlecoff Instagram, Fire in those dms
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And other than that, we're rocking and roll the podcast.
Make sure subscribe to the podcast if you listen on
Collins Feed. But before we talk football, Maria, my fiance
(03:58):
just got her Oklahoma shirt Boomer sooner. We're officially going
to the Oklahoma Texas game. I said I was gonna
go to a big college football game this year with
stipulations people like, how are you not going to LSU
at night or you know, Georgia bam or something. I
need an airport where I can get out of early
in the morning Sunday and be at my doorstep before
(04:19):
the games kick off ten at ten am. Kind of
what pays the bills, you know in this establishment. And
I can get a JSX flight out of Dallas and
be home at nine thirty in the morning. So it
just logistically made a lot of sense. And my guy,
Drew Hill is the GM at Oklahoma, so I'm very
arch manning. I keep my fingers crossed. He's playing even
(04:40):
if quinn Yours played, regardless of what happens there. But
I did it because of my friends at game time,
and they're the official ticketing app of this podcast. I've
been looking around see where I want to sit, how
I want to angle, It doesn't really matter. Am I
gonna be just drinking some beers, having a good time
in my ou gear Because listen, I've been a Boomer
Sooner guy since Drue went there and through Bob Stoops,
(05:01):
Lincoln Riley and now Venables who I mean, got very
very lucky to get a win an Auburn. But hey,
we don't apologize for wut's around here. Texas looks good,
even though they were kind of on cruise control this year.
But or this week, any game you want to go to,
an NFL game, a college football game. The NBA is
about to start, so we'll probably what is October first.
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By the end of the month, you'll have of NBA
games going and he playoff Baseball action. My guy Buster
Posey back in charge of the Giants.
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Get Ready.
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Might take a couple of years, but the Giants will
be back relevant again. We got rid of Analytical Elite,
far Onziety, Gabe Kapler, one of the biggest frauds of
all time, and get Buster in there running the show.
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Can't wait.
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My brother once went duck hunting with Buster Posey, and
Buster looked at him. My brother's like five years younger
than me, so he's now like thirty four thirty five
years old. And Buster looked at him like how this
was like five six years ago to ask him, are
you what are you like forty years old? Jam was
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price is guaranteed. Maybe I have some new listeners since
the combine, but many of you that listen to all
of our stuff during the combine. One consistent theme that
I had when I went it was the first time
I had gone in a couple of years, was just
how evident it was.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When you go there, you.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Look around because it's one of the rare events in
football where literally the whole league is there. I mean
a couple teams have chosen not to send their whole
coaching staff or just limited scouts, but most teams sending
their entire coaching staff from head coach down, their entire
scouting staff, from GMD, their entire front office. Really, owners
(07:03):
are there, agents are there. Everyone that matters, you know
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Media is there.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's just a really really big event, and you really
get the feel for God in a league full of parody,
in a league where every team has money if they
so choose to pay their best players big time cash,
so there really is no excuse. Some buildings and stadiums
(07:30):
make more money than others. But because of the media
rights deal, if you want to give Joe Burrow to
a hundred million dollars, you could easily do it. If
you want to pay Jamar Chase and T Higgins as
well you can do it now. You have to choose
this the way I want to build my team or not.
But it's not from This isn't baseball or Some teams
literally just don't generate any money, and the TV deals
(07:52):
clearly aren't the same. So the Yankees, the Red Sox,
the Dodgers, whoever, just have way more capital to spend
on than other teams. It's like, well the owner's rich, Well, yeah,
his franchise generates no money. Heard it with the A's forever.
It's not the way football works. Every team is flush
with cash, some obviously have more than others, but it
(08:13):
is not a deterrent if you want to pay guys.
But you go to the combine and you see the
emblems and the logos because everyone's wearing their team issued stuff,
and you're like, I just saw like fifteen franchises. This
is March, right or late February early March. The season's
not for another six months. You're like, they got no
chance to win seven games. It doesn't even matter what
(08:35):
happens in free agency or the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They are screwed.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Now. Every once in a while, a situation like Washington,
literally the owner sells starts over signs a couple of
new guys. They're starting at scratch, and time will tell
how just fickle the owner is in terms of if
you if you lose a couple of games, how he
treats people so that that story is yet to be written,
(08:59):
but you could you never know. We've seen Jimmy Haslam
get a team been a disaster, David Tepper get a
team ben a disaster. But I was thinking, like, why
are some teams more functional than others? Why do the
same teams Like think about the AFC right now, who
are the best teams in the AFC? Chiefs, the Bills,
(09:20):
the Ravens. I mean, what are they all of common?
It's all the Andy retreat. But like Andy Reid's been
in Kansas City now a decade. He was in Philadelphia
fifteen years. John Harbaugh has been on the Baltimore Ravens
for what fifteen plus years. Sean McDermott feels like he's
been there a long time, same coach, same GM, Mike
(09:40):
Tomlin been there, I don't know since I was in college.
So the same teams consistently are above five hundred competing
in the playoffs every single year. That's that well, we
have new teams. Yeah, we have a movement here and there,
but the same consistent squads. Like look at the NFC,
who's gonna be there? Niners will be playoff team. Right
(10:02):
the AFC South Tampa's three and one, They've been in
the playoffs four straight years. Jason light kind of knows
what he's doing, not going anywhere. I would bet when
the dust settles, the Eagles or the Cowboys are in
the playoffs. And like the Rams would have been a
playoff team. They just have seven million injuries. And I
was thinking about Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett. Munger just
(10:25):
died and I just googled what year did they meet?
They met in nineteen fifty nine, and a couple of
years later he was officially they were working together and
worked basically hand in hand as best friends till the
day he died, which was pretty recently. And think how
many people in business partnerships or relationships. If you get
(10:49):
into a big fight or have serious adversity early, it
can ruin it, It can break a relationship, it can
just end it, which very understandable. You don't have have
much equity with the other person, right, like Robert Sala
and Aaron Rodgers. They've been together what four games in
(11:09):
five plays?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They don't have equity together.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Joe Douglas, Robert Sala, everyone getting tight. There's been no success.
What happens when you start zero to two and you're
John Harbaugh and Eric Tacosta. You go, hey, remember two
thousand and eight when this happened. Remember twenty fifteen when
this happened. I think about John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan,
who have now been going on what year eight or nine?
(11:34):
Sayming with Les need and Sean McVay. He's literally known
the Shanahan family for over twenty years. Like, you can't
fake sweat equity, personal experiences. Brett Veech started working for
Andy Reid in like two thousand and six. Now, obviously
he changed positions over the years, but think how long
(11:57):
they have known each other. Think about in the football world,
all the experiences they have gone through. If someone listening
to this and you've been married ten years, fifteen years,
twenty years, like it takes a lot. Obviously you still
get in fights, you still have disagreements with your significant other,
but after a couple hours or after a day, you
(12:18):
shake it off. You get over it and you move on,
seeing that done, that been, there will be there again.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Not that big a deal.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yet, when you have no equity and you constantly have change,
it is hard to handle these crazy situations that football
throws at you. The Raiders who have made the playoffs
twice in twenty plus years, they don't have a playoff victory,
a playoff victory since I was a junior in high school.
(12:52):
I was born in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You do the math.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Getting old, they are constantly I was thinking about this today.
They're constantly going through coaches and gms. What's up with
the Giants who are losing again? Think how many coaches
and gms they've had in recent memory. Look at the
Jets always losing, Think how many coaches they've run through.
When you don't and listen, I don't blame people for
(13:18):
firing people that don't work. And there's some randomness, right
because no one knows Bill Belichick's gonna be Bill Belichick.
No one knows Sean McVay is going to turn out
to be Sean McVay. Obviously, you like them when you
interview them and hire them, and you keep your fingers
crossed best case scenario. But when you don't hire the
(13:40):
right people or don't give people enough time, you're constantly
gonna lose. It's why the same teams lose year after
year after year. Does Trevor Lawrence suck right now?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yes he does.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You can make any excuse you want, the organization, the coach,
the scheme, the O line, whatever you want to watching play.
He's not very good, but there is a reason in
that place. I think Gus Bradley drafted in the top
five like five straight years, fired him, got another guy,
lost again. Now they got Doug Peterson. He's gonna get
(14:15):
fired and they'll be looking for a new coach. Do
I think the next guy they hire will figure it out?
I do not, because he's just based on history. It
is hard to win in dysfunctional places. It breeds off
each other. Now, some places can be dysfunctional and you
hire the right guy and they leave that all behind,
and as time goes on, it just it becomes the
(14:39):
new norm of winning and consistency. But when you don't
hire the right people, when your owners are fickle, and
you know, after a loss or after weird things happen,
pull the trigger and fire people. You're always going to
have problems, Simply you will. And when you look at
the Jets, their owner's nuts. He's not a good owner, period,
(15:01):
point blank, end of story. Mark Davis is not either,
He's awful. So when you look at these situations like
everyone making a big deal over Robert Salla and Aaron Rodgers,
of course every loss is going to be a big
deal because they have no history together. In what world
do we think that a guy who's never won as
(15:24):
a head coach and a forty year old quarterback who
can be a little moody and passive aggressive. Things don't
get weird when you lose a game where the opponent
scores ten points at home. Now, if that happened to
the Baltimore Ravens, if that happened to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
When the forty nine Ers just shot down their leg
the other day and lost to the Rams, it doesn't
(15:46):
derail the season.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But you feel it with the.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Jets, You're like, God, this thing could get weird fast.
Of course it could because they have no equity together
as a group. They just traded for DeVante Adams. It
feels like twenty minutes ago, such a big deal. Great
trade first round or bring them with Derek Carr. Year later,
Derek Carr is gone, five weeks later, Josh McDaniels and
the GM are gone. A year later, DeVante's gone, and
(16:13):
the head coach who no one in their right mind
would have envisioned being a head coach two years ago
is now they're head coach, liking things on Instagram, making
things weird. It's just not a very complicated sport. Obviously,
the playoffs can be random. If your quarterback plays badly
like Lamar has, you're gonna lose. If your defense is
(16:33):
not good in big spots Buffalo Bills, you will lose.
But like, there's a reason those guys are always there
and the same teams, Like are you gonna bet against
the Jets? Are you gonna bet against the Raiders? You
always should until they prove otherwise. And I think it
just gets down to the owner, because at the end
(16:55):
of the day, they're the guy in charge of everything,
and the people running the organizations have those jobs because
of those guys they hire them. I think it's fair
to say they have no clue what they're doing. And
I'm just picking on those two teams because they're in
the news right now, and whenever I hear this media creation,
like no one's making this up.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
We're all watching it. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like anyone with a brain goes, yeah, Davonte Raiders, that
doesn't make any sense. Miami Dolphins, that would be my
next one to circle, Like that thing could get weird,
and that thing could get weird fast. Now you could
be like John, of course, all the winning teams have
less ysfunction. Part of it is being able to take
a deep breath and get through the Andy Dufrain sewage drain,
(17:44):
and most owners at this point in time are just
not willing to do that. It's like, couldn't we blame
the Jets for getting rid of Sam Darnold, or like
maybe I should have wrote it out for like five years.
The Cleveland Browns, Joe Flacco said yesterday on Pat McAfee,
they did not even call me. Of course they didn't.
They're in with Deshaun Watson. They can't bring Joe flaccoback
(18:08):
the entire town had already been calling for. Of course,
he gets in the game against Steelers. What happens, throws
a couple of touchdowns and they win. So it's like yeah, shocker,
the brown suck. I mean, who could be taken aback
by that one?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I just think this thing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The best teams are gonna keep winning because their people
are going nowhere, and these same teams are just gonna
keep running through coaches, running through gms, running through players.
Once they lose a couple of games, everyone freaks out,
because you probably should freak out because it's only gonna
get worse because those people typically don't know what they're doing,
and even if they will one day, they're not gonna
get enough time in those places. So not shocked at
(18:45):
all to see the Raider news today. Not shocked at all,
Like what happens if you go across the pond and
lose to Minnesota. Though, I kind of like the Jets
this week because I feel like everyone's gonna pick Minnesota.
It's gonna get weirder, of course it will, but plus,
in this given situation, this.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Isn't like some long term plan.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
This was all about seventeen games this week. So in
fairness to anyone overreacting to the Jets situation, like yeah,
you got a four year old quarterback, you got a
coach on the hot seat, you got you know, a
patchwork roster of older guys that get injured a lot. So, yeah,
you lose to Denver Broncos. They scored ten points at home.
(19:24):
I don't care if it's a monsoon, a hurricane, a snowstorm.
You gotta win that game, and the Jets didn't. It
was pretty ugly. Rewatched it the other day. Obviously, Sirianni
and McCarthy are just guys talked about NonStop. McCarthy in
the last year of his deal. Basically everyone in Philadelphia
thinks Syrianne probably should have been fired last year's coaching
for his job this year. Listen, I thought I picked
(19:46):
the Cowboys to win that division. Doesn't look great. Who knows,
they got a bunch of injuries. I wouldn't feel great
about the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Winning that division.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Their defense is anee Mick and Jalen has not been
very good. The problem for them, though, is what if
Washington wins like ten games. Before I would have said, like, hey,
even if one of those two teams gets to nine,
they'll win the division. Then I pulled up Washington scheduled
(20:16):
that they're three and one right now, and they are
just vibing. If you just go to their social media.
They just look like they're having a really good time
there is And listen, I saw a Rogers quote or no,
this is Kirk Cousins, and he's not wrong. You can
lose in a building where there's great culture and it's
still miserable, and you can win in a place where
(20:36):
there's bad culture and it's really fun. Like this is
the best part about sports, but specifically football, winning cures everything.
And would they be vibing if they were one and three,
of course not. It's a double whammy. Not only are
the three in one, but their rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Looks like a star.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But they're scheduled today. They got the Browns at home
this week. Then they play the Ravens, which obviously gonna
be really tough in Baltimore, probably, you know. Then they
have a three game stretch Panthers at home, Bears at home,
and then the Giants, who they beat by a field
goal but really kind of worked them in that game.
(21:16):
It's not inconceivable if they win. I could be conservative
here and just have them go three and two. You're
talking about a six and three team. All of a sudden,
you're at nine wins. You got eight to go, if
you go four and four down the stretch, you're a
ten win team. And with the Cowboys defensive injuries and
they already had question marks of defense with everything going
(21:37):
on with Sirianni, what if one of those both those
two teams don't get to ten wins, because you'd have
to assume they don't play those two teams, you know,
till the latter half of the season, like late November on,
they're not going on four in those games. I would say,
best case two and two, but they're winning one of
the four. I'd feel pretty good about two but one.
(22:02):
They also have the Titans on the schedule, So all
of a sudden, you go, well, what if they get
to ten and seven and that wins the division. Now
we'll have to see how the rest of the NFC
plays out, but I know this, if one of those
two teams misses the playoffs, Audios, if they both miss
the playoffs in Washington and Jayden Daniels wins the division
(22:24):
with ten wins and hosting a playoff game, what a
disastrous season. I think that's on the table at this
point in time.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I would bet as we sit here today, August first,
or excuse me, October first, I would just have more
faith in the Eagles just because they literally got more
guys playing, Like it's if Parsons has to miss three
weeks and Lawrence misses who knows how long. That's really
like there's nothing you can do to plug and play
(22:54):
when your defensive line was already atrocious. So like, bo've
got major issues. The Cowboys think, get away from them,
and get away from them fast. Luckily the Eagles on
a bye then they get the Browns. Maybe take a
deep breath and still kind of hold pace with Washington,
But both those two teams better be very careful. Now
it's the NFL rookie quarterback. You can never just chalk
(23:16):
up guaranteed wins. But what we've seen the Commander's offense
through the first three weeks, or excuse me, the last
three weeks, I think they've punted once. Brown's at home,
Panthers at home, Bears at home. They're gonna be favored
in all three of those games. Okay, cough on campus
(23:43):
love doing this watch. I love watching Saturday football, Like
Sunday football is a little not stressful, but I just
feel so obligated to keep track of absolutely everything going on,
taking notes, getting ready for Colin, then getting ready for
the night game, and putting shows together. Saturday is much
more like play golf in the morning, work out in
the morning, and have some beers, have some cocktails and
(24:05):
just just kind of enjoy it but still gamble on
it and just have a good time and tweet about
it and text my friends about it. But Saturday night
was pretty awesome that place. What a cool game like
it felt when Georgia Alabama. I mean I turned on
the game with like thirty minutes intro, and I never
(24:28):
watch College is different, but like in the NFL, I
don't watch pregame shows, no shade at anyone on them.
It's just I'd rather do something else of my time.
When the game starts, it starts. But in college, the
build up of game day, they had Saban on the set,
They had game Day on campus, like literally before the game,
Reese was Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard and Saban.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It just felt really, really big.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And I saw today that the ratings for that game
was the highest rated primetime game in seven plus years,
which happened to also beat Alabama against Florida State. But
that was opening weekend. So to get a game with
that much buzz, that much hype toward the end of September,
a conference game, it just felt special. And then the
(25:15):
way it started, your job is dropped. Like listen, you
guys know where I stand on Kaylin duboor.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But to go up that fast.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And just you start thinking, are they gonna beat this team,
like fifty to ten, and then for Georgia to come back,
I mean they're down thirty three to fifteen with ten
minutes left to go in the game. You got Carson
Beck who just had one of the worst resume building
games you'll ever see. When it mattered like that was
a negative, not a positive. I don't care what happened
(25:46):
in the fourth quarter with NFL scouts, But then Williams
at the end to make that play seventeen years old.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It was awesome. It really was.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And I think college football right now be now those
teams have always you know, they don't play each other
every year because they're on separate sides of the division.
But I don't think they have a divisions anymore. But
you know what I mean, I do think as we
consolidate more and more, you'll just get more of that,
and Collins talked about it, Me and him talked about
(26:17):
on his pod a couple of weeks ago. You can't
really argue that these matchups are just better. I mean
even Wisconsin USC Wisconsin is not very good, but they
came to play and they were winning the game in
the first half, and you start thinking yourself, is USC
gonna drop this game? This is really gonna happen. And
before that might have been you know, USC Arizona State,
(26:38):
which I do miss, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Can't be.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I don't even know the right way to describe it.
I just have to be honest and say this way
is better and it's only going to get better. And
then I read a headline today that and listen, I
would say, you know, Calen Dubor doesn't need to win
the NAT this year, right, I would say that game
alone was just a pretty incredible moment. He makes the playoffs,
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he wins a playoff game, that's an incredible start. Replacing
a legend Steve Sarkisian because he turned down Alabama last year,
gets a huge contract extension and clearly resurrected that program.
And I've been hard on sark a lot of years,
I still given the old rules, I wouldn't like them
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as much because I think it's very difficult for the
way he coaches to establish a super hard physical identity.
I think it's always kind of been a problem for
him on defense. But because of nil and he has
one of the largest budgets, he can just buy his
way there and listen, the rules are the rules, and
he's taken advantage of him. But you could argue the
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guy that has the most of the line and they're
technically the betting favorite right now, is Ryan Day. I
would say anything less than being in the National champion
Game is going to be a huge disappointment for that program.
So you could argue that he has more pressure on
him than anyone else. And the way Oregans look this year,
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I would imagine when they end up playing Ohio State's
gonna be favored and win that game. Ohio State's not
losing to Michigan. They're probably gonna run the table in
the Big Ten and then the Big Ten Championship game
and be the one or two seed coming into you know,
the playoffs, So that the pressure, it's just gonna be
a mess. And obviously they're really, really good I mean
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they got they got an NFL roster because like Texas
and Oregon, like they have incredibly high NIL budgets, and
if you have a high NIL budget, might as well
take advantage of him by the sweet players. So now
who am I taking? Because I was thinking about this,
de bore three of his last four games he beat
Dan Lanning, who he could see in the playoffs. He's
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beat him three times. He beat Sark as an underdog
with you know, probably man for man, pretty equal teams,
and then he just also equal teams, kicked Kirby's ass.
I know the final score was close, but thirty three
to fifteen with ten minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Well,
the one guy that beat him, Jim Harbaughs now in
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the Chargers. So what game is Alabama going into with
this head coach and having a disadvantage. Now, they might
not have guy for guy as good of a team
as Texas or Ohio State, but I've seen him beat
Sark in a game as an underdog with I mean
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no defense and Ryan Day. I'm sorry, Like, if you
gave the top twenty five programs in this country, ad
the opportunity to hire one of those two guys, I
think it'd be like ninety percent. De More. Not saying
that Ryan Day isn't good, but I don't know if
he can build something from scratch. I've seen Kaitlin do
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that at Washington from nothing to something two years later
in the Natty. Well, I'm seeing Debor right now take
over a program that was he was born on third
base Alabama and he's kicking ass and taking a name.
So he's doing exactly what Ryan Day's doing. I take
Debor all day long over him. So I think if
you're an Alabama fan, if you're an if you're another
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fan of an SEC team.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like they got it right. Man, that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And I'm not saying he plays Kirby ten times, He's
not gonna he's not gonna beat him ten times, but
it's pretty clear he's every bit is equal immediately Boise State. Now, listen,
what Travis Hunter is doing end up being the Heisman, no.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Issue with it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Travis Hunter probably should be the Heisman, just based on
the guy and never comes out of the game and
he's just an incredible player. The powers that be, the
elites in college football, and listen, I've lived it being
a non Power five guy. When I worked at President State,
I get you look down upon the smaller conferences. They
don't play the same schedule, they don't generate the revenue,
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they don't do the TV ratings. But Ashton genty at
Boise State right now, he has eighty two carries for
eight hundred and forty five yards. For those of the
non math majors out there, he's averaging over ten yards
of carry and he has thirteen touchdowns. They've played four games.
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I understand the schedule. He's playing Washington State, even though
he lit up Oregon. The teams he's playing are not
gonna be Georgia, Bama, LSU, will not get the notoriety
Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I get it. This guy's fucking incredible. He really is.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
If you want to watch him, just go to YouTube
and type in his highlights. He had a run in
that Washington State game, broke like three tackles, ran away
from another guy, carried a guy into the end zone.
My comp for him, because I've heard he's like five
six five seven is darren Sprolls and darren Sprolls twenty.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Plus years ago, was draft in the fourth round.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Now football in the NFL used to discriminate a lot
against little guys, especially twenty plus years ago. I think
we do less and less now, partly because catching the
ball is a big deal and his receiving numbers aren't
great because just handing the ball. But he's proven in
previous years he's a true junior he can catch the ball.
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Last year he had five receiving touchdowns. I think this guy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I understand not taking a five to seven guy in
the first round, but to me, this guy feels like
a lock somewhere between thirty three and forty five. And
this guy's going to play in the NFL. Google Autlong,
darren Sproles played in the NFL. This guy is a stud.
I think I mentioned this a little bit early earlier,
but the Big Ten and the SEC powers that be
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are meeting in Nashville next week to discuss the scheduling alliance.
We can see this coming from a mile away. It
starts with every year, all of our teams play all
of your team's one game in the non conference, and
it basically leads into we're just under one umbrella. Now,
think of what the NFL does, right. You got four
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divisions in the NFC, you got four divisions in the AFC. Well,
every year an NFC division rotates the four different divisions
in the AFC. For example, this year, the NFC East
is playing the AFC North, the NFC West is playing
the AFC East, and so on. And then every year
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you play a new division. So obviously you play your
divisional opponents. You play a rotating division. In the NFC,
you play your strength of schedule opponents, and you're just
constantly rotating through the league. So over the course of
a couple of years, anyone knows this as a season
ticket holder in the NFL, like, you see a good
mix of teams over the years. And I think one
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issue for college football is listen, me and Colin and
point Lane and then he goes on lose to Kentucky
though Kentucky easily, could it be Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Maybe they're not bad. And I saw some people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Like tweeting it me see this is why you know
I give Ryan Day and the Big Ten. It's like, listen,
I think the SEC is better than the Big Ten.
Obviously the high end are pretty much equals. On a
given year, the top two or three teams. You can
kind of have them stare at each other. But I
do think teams four through eight in the SEC consistently
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have more NFL guys, specifically defensive linemen and defensive backs,
so when you get them on the right day, it
makes them difficult. Why did Kentucky give Georgia and then
Lane trouble? They have NFL defensive linemen right, and a
lot of them, just like a lot of teams in
the SEC. And I'm not like pro SEC anti big ten.
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I'm just saying, like I think the middle tier of
the SEC is better than Wisconsin, is better than Minnesota.
Like I'll take Kentucky over those programs, not necessarily like
in theory like Wisconsin should be a cooler football program,
But in twenty twenty four, those programs, the players which
they get, I feel more confident in them in terms
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of judging the depth of your conference. But I want
to see these schools play each other. If you want
to talk about the SEC half, their programs refuse to
play anybody beside the SEC games because they go, well,
look at the SEC schedule and you got lanes scheduling.
You know Col Paly, Arizona School of the Mines, and
you know the School of the Blind and the Deaf,
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and then all of a sudden, you play real games,
like we didn't even know if you're good or bad.
I mean, we know they're not as probably as bad
as they looked, but.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They're not as good as they've looked either.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
So why Tennessee gets so much credit when they kick
NC State's asked and they go on the road and
beat Oklahoma, and I know Oklahoma's now in their conference,
but no one cared that they were up sixty five
to nothing against Kent State. Nobody cared because it's just
a relevant game and the faster we can get away
from all this, Like, those games should not exist, I've
said forever. The Boise States, the President States, the San
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Diego States, Appalachian State before.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
They bumped up.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I got no issue with you playing a game against
those guys, But playing the D one double A opponents
is an embarrassment to everyone involved, to your players, to
your administration, to your fans.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's useless.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Imagine if, like, you know what, the Steelers are gonna
play a USFL team this week, It's like they they
need to breather before they play the Ravens. That's essentially
what's happening here?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It really is. So I.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Think there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Now,
how we get there, how fast we get there? Who knows?
This is college football and anytime you get college athletics
and the NC DOUBLEA and it's it's a rocky road.
But I do think we will get there sooner than later.
When I had my guy Derek Ray on the podcast
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the GM of Florida State, he was in good spirits.
He was in good spirits. It was the offseason. They
just went thirteen and one. They had produced I think
six guys in the top eighty picks, obviously multiple first rounders,
multiple second rounders. That team they had last year was really,
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really good. And if it wasn't for Jordan Travis having
his leg snapped, I don't think it's inconceivable that they
could have won a playoff game. They definitely would have
been in the playoffs. Would they have been the worst
team in the playoffs, probably, but still they had NFL
guys at key positions like Derek, and I think he's
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good and I think Norvelle's good. But they did make
a devastating decision. Now, part of it is I don't
know all the details else who they wanted, how much
money they're getting. You know you want cam Ward, but
he's being offered more by Miami. The head coach ain't
the guy right in the checks. I do think getting
into bed with dj Unglula was pretty stupid at the time,
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and obviously it looks worse now, but they were thrown
somewhat of a bone.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
He got injured. He should never play again for their program.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't care who their backup is. Obviously the backup
starting this week because he broke a couple fingers. They
play Clemson. There's a pretty good chance Florida State is
one in five. And I think you got to be
very careful at certain positions, specifically quarterback, when you go
to the transfer portal. If you get the wrong guy. Now,
I think most people listening would say, God, what are
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you guys talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
We've watched DJ for years.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He stinks.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I'm not disputing that I would not have done that.
They were high on him for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
He's clearly a good kid.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
People like him, but he can't play quarterback. I mean,
he has six interceptions this year and four touchdowns, But
I don't think and he's almost fifty percent completion percentage.
It's like barely over I think he's like fifty two
or fifty three percent. But when you watch him, those
numbers that I just rattle off feel like that feels
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like Dan Marino dropping those numbers compared to what you see,
because when you see him, you go, is this legitimately
the worst player in Power five or Power four at quarterback?
Like it feels like you could make that argument that
there can't be five guys playing worse than this guy.
Now you can say their offensive lines, underachieving, whatever you want.
Just watch him play. He's gone awful and you just
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got to get out of this business. And I think
the one thing you got to be careful with is
when you do cut a check for a guy whatever
that might be one hundred grand, five hundred grand, whatever,
If that guy can't play, your nil and your money.
People have to realize, like, if you're all in on
me and listen, gonna make mistakes happens in the NFL
all the time you signed bad contracts, guess what will happen.
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That guy will get benched, that guy will stop playing.
Got to be able to do that in college football,
and then like in the NFL, where you get multi
year contracts, like how do we figure this out? You
just kind of bench him.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And move forward.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
In college football, it's really just based on a year.
You gotta have a quick trigger finger because when it's
completely obvious, there's one thing to like hit a rocky
road like rough game. But if after two and a
half games, I thought they should have benched the guy
halfway through the cowgame, which they got very very lucky
to win. So I just I think the nil. I
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gave a lot of props to Unov because I'm still
reading thing pieces is college football gonna crumble? They literally
let the guy walk because he's from Holy Cross, and
they said, we're not paying you one hundred grand. We
honestly don't even think you're that good. They let him walk.
They won their next game against a three to one opponent,
fifty nine to fourteen. My friend of state Bulldog's got
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ransacked and the guy they threw in there accounted for
four touchdowns. Thank god they didn't give Sluka one hundred
grand would have been a waste of money, So you
got to allocate your funds. Saban said it on game
day a couple of weeks ago, He's like, listen, you
pay the wrong players. You got problems. And eventually, at
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these big programs with these huge budgets, some guys you
pay are not gonna work out, are not.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Going to be very good.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
You're gonna have to bench, are gonna be below average
players for you. But everyone better be on the same
page as like, hey, the money's already spent, or hell,
stop paying them, we'll get into legal action whatever. But
you can't keep rolling a guy out there just because you're.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Playing him a couple hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Because that will be the downfall of your season. And
I think the downfall of Florida State season was giving
a guy a little money. And I honestly have no
clue how much they gave him. I would doubt he
got like a million bucks.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
But even if they gave.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Him three four hundred thousand dollars, you spend it. Let's
move on bench the guy. I don't care what you
think of the backup. He can't be worse than what
you're rolling out.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Okay, Middlecoff mail back time.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
You guys know the drill at John Middlecoff At John
Middlecoff fire in those dms.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Get your question.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Answered here on the show from my guy Caesar, long
time big fan. With Devonte requesting a trade and Raiders
shopping him around, by the time you're listening to this,
he might be on a different team. Wouldn't it make
sense to see what the Jets would give up? Maybe
even throw in Reddick, pair him with Crosby and Wilkins.
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Seems like all parties win. I think if you're the
Raiders and I saw Albert Breer, if you factor in
age in recent form. Now, part of his recent form
is because the quarterback situation, I think he's a better
player right now than Keenan Allen, but Keenan I think
win for a fourth obviously big salaries too, that'd be
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tough to stomach. Now would you take would you rather
have Reddick and a fourth or just try to get
the desperation out of the Jets and hope to get
like a I don't know, a third that turns into
a conditional second. Like the thing with Reddick. Do you
want to pay him and then just go all on
your defensive line? You still need draft capital to try
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to get a quarterback. So now, could you sign Sam
Darnold this offseason, Flacko, maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I don't know. I think it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think if you're trading him, you're not really looking
for a player.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Would be my thing. You want draft picks, It's about
the big picture.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm sure if you've gotten this question from another Niners
fan already, But would you trade BA for a second?
BA in a second for divine to Adams?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well you can't now.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Because they just paid him a huge signing bonus. So
once you sign a contract, like Brandon almost said, Brandon Ingram,
Brandon Ayuk is gonna be on the night.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
He's not a tradable player. So this is where the night.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I think the mistake the Niners made. If they could
do it all over again, do you know what they
would have done. They would have traded Brandon Ayuk before
the draft either if they got a second and a third,
trade him with the Steelers. Use those picks, you know,
trade them wherever and use that capital to get players.
You're watching the team, You're like, do they even need them?
Ricky Pearson is going to come back. Juwan Jennings is
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a stud. Debo's playing. Kittle's out there. I just I
wonder if they'd like to have that one back. I
was watching your videos of places DeVante could go. I
know it's a long shot, but this division has been
struggling near the top, and this seems to be a
star young quarterback. Why do the commanders not try to
get Adams with scary Terry to form a.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
One to two punch. Ad McCaffrey in there too. He
looks pretty good.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
The best dbs are in the AFC, and these two
wide receivers helping Daniels. I think this could be a
really intriguing fit. Honestly, the first thing that jumped out
to me was, if you are the commands and no
one else is willing to go like very high, would
you offer a couple thirds and give DeVante an extension
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like trade for him and give him like a two year,
sixty million dollar extension. Because part of having the young quarterback,
the value in that is being able to acquire a
guy like that and pay some money. Who else are
you paying now? Obviously you can't. I think even a
second still pretty risky because those picks are pretty valuable.
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But I think that Adam Peters and Dan Quinn are
having a long conversation right now, because I would have
to think long and hard about it, depending on what
the compensation was, and then immediately extend him and you
get with scary Terry and Brian Robinson had some pretty
good offense.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Hey, John from.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Washington, so city in Washington, I can't even pretend to pronounce.
I was lucky to be able to witness the LB
days same well sweet, But no one seems to talk
about my favorite running back, mar Sean Lynch. My question is,
do you think the Beast mode is a Hall of
Famer why or why not?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I think he's definitely a Hall of Fame talent. I
think it's based on longevity. Super Bowl Champion probably could
have two. I mean, was clearly a top I would
say three running back for a long, you know, four
or five year period of his career. You know, honestly,
I haven't thought that long and hard about it. My
first reaction is, yeah, I could see him get in.
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I don't know if he's a first He's not like
Adrian Peterson or Ladanian Tomlinson, but I think when you
factor in winning, when you factor in his peak years, though,
you know, it's kind of rocky in Buffalo goes to
uh goes to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So yeah, I have no beef with it.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
First question, with Primetime being such a great figure in football,
but also being there for his kids and his quarterback
being forecasted to go first round, maybe top ten would
an owner, GM and coaching staff draft him knowing how
much influence media would be part of possibly with Sanders
coaching career and his son being coached in the NFL,
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questioning coaching decisions or where he goes. Knowing owners like
being in control of their franchise, working for the Eagles,
knowing how owners like to run the franchise, can you
give insight how would team handle this from the front
office to the field coaching staff? Is too early to
see which teams will finish at the top of the draft.
Bonus question, how do you think Major League Baseball would
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be better if they had.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
A hard cap? I don't even care.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't think it matters in Baseball in terms of
the cap.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Same teams would be winning.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
And if you're a poverty franchise right now, I don't
feel bad for you. I would say with dion'son, I
think you'd have to take into account, you know, like
when Dion was drafted, there was a lot of hooplab
behind him. Now, he was, I mean, probably a top
fifty prospect of all time any sport. I mean just
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I mean, he's one of the greatest talents we've ever seen.
Obviously could play baseball too, but his dad wasn't also
a head coach and have a huge media platform and listen,
Dion doesn't give a shit, so I hadn't even thought
about that angle of it. But yeah, I mean he
was gonna say some stuff that makes headlines. So if
you're the Giants, right, if you're a big, big market team,
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everything Dion says about Shador would become a headline. But
I don't think you can be consumed with that. If
Shador is the best talent and you know, the highest
graded guy on your board, I think teams would just
pull the trigger and deal with that later.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I've never had a conversation with that owner. Honestly, I
think some owners might like it, to be honest with you,
it just puts a spotlight on their franchise.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
What I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
We've seen two high level running backs, Saquan and Josh
Jacobs recently sign with the team and then come out
and say the team playing on real grass versus artificial
turf factored into their decision to go there. So clearly
players at the top are taking notice of playing services
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given teams a competitive advantage in free agency. So why
don't more teams rip out their turf and put in
grass in order to give themselves a better chance to
land themselves the next Saquon in free agency? I think
that's a sexy headline, but like, how many teams were
truly in the market for those two guys. I think
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it'd be a bigger deal if, like the number one
defensive player made a decision because of that. Like at
the end of the day, like the markets for the
running backs are relatively small. I think it just gets
down to money, and these owners are cheap. It's it's
crazy to say, but it's really that simple. It's why
do the Giants and the Jets play on the shitty
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turf because they don't want to replace it because it
would cost them, which is insane to me. It's like,
you guys both have two hundred million dollars payrolls. We
just saw Rogers tears Achilles there last year. A ton
of guys have torn their achilles on other teams or
acls at that place. What are we doing guys? But
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it hasn't changed, and I don't expect it to. It's
crazy to say this out loud, but I do just
think it's just they're cheap. Question for the mailbag this
will be the last one. Do you think the Eagles
regret going all in on Jalen Hurts? Every time I
watch him, he does not look and command to the
offense and like the game plan is trying to work
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around his limitations. I think it's easy. Obviously, if they
could do it over again at sitting here today, they
would take back the contract in a heartbeat. They would
just take back the contract. But at the time they
signed him, he had just looked better than Mahomes in
the Super Bowl. So these last couple of years, I
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mean the year and four games have been rocky, especially
the last calendar. You know, I would say calendar year,
but November December playoff game. In the start of the season,
he's pretty up and down. A lot of down turnovers
are not going away. But when they pulled the trigger
on the deal, he had just been an MVP candidate.
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He had looked incredible in the Super Bowl. I mean
probably just his best pocket game of his career, in
the biggest moments against the brightest lights. You just kind
of bet even if he wasn't gonna play like that
every week, they would just sustain. They clearly underestimated what
the team would look like minus the offensive coordinator, and
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they underestimated that for whatever reason, Maybe he just, I
don't know, let it all hang that game because he,
like you said, just doesn't look in command. There's an
eye test thing. Like you watch Trevor Lawrence, it doesn't
feel like he knows where the ball's going.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
He's not a.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Confident thrower, but he'll throw within the pocket. When you
watch Jalen or you watch Deshaun Watson, Jalen's better than
DeShawn Watson. Both those guys leave the pocket early, and
both those guys all are inconsistent pocket throwers. Now, Jalen
is still much more capable scrambling around, making shit happen,
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making big plays. But if you can't consistently win from
within the pocket, it's i'd argue, impossible to live up
to your contract.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Say what you.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Want about Lamar, and you guys know I'm critical of
him sometimes when he's on he's kicking your ass, moving
around between the tackles, throwing balls very accurate. Jalen just
doesn't have those moments very often anymore. Deshaun never does.
So I don't know. There's just a ton of pressure
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right now on Callen to try to just get the
best football out of him. And because even if they
do regret it, and I'm sure they do, you're kind
of in bed with this guy. You got to figure
this out. You don't have other options because at the
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time when Carson started to crumble and they went to Jalen,
like Jalen was on their team. Second round pick Kenny
Pickett's their backup. So even if, like hey, just is
getting really ugly, there are no better options. You just
you're either gonna lose with Jalen or you're gonna figure
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it out and kind of save the season. Also, in
fairness to him, the defense and Vic Fangio has been atrocious.
I think one thing they immediately regret is the hot deal.
He doesn't make sense with Fangio, that much is clear
through four weeks, makes no sense. Heard someone say he
played thirty three snaps and made one tackle. His stats
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compared to Reddick, who hasn't even played, are kind of similar,
and scheme fit matters. What's Robert sala He knows it's
a much different defense. It's a much different defense than
what Fangio needs. Like his number one I would say
thing that he asked. It feels like it's for his
defensive lineman to hold the point and that's not tough steal.
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He's a nickel pass rusher. Well, if you start him
and he's out there on first down, what you do
You're gonna run right at him. And obviously the two
big guys have overall underperformed. So I draft two defensive
linemen in the top fifteen. It's part of football, though,
like you regret things. I was watching Kyle Hamilton Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
You realize that the Eagles traded up to get Jordan
Davis and they could just drafted Kyle Hamilton in that spot,
but they took Jordan Davis. Which, listen, you take six ' five,
three hundred and fifty pound defensive tackle over a safety,
it's not crazy business. But then that guy needs to
be good. Because I'm watching Kyle Hamilton, it's like it's
(55:49):
gut a Hall of Famer. And the question with Jordan Davis,
like how much does he love football? I mean, you're
asking those questions three years into a guy's career, how
much does he love football? Because I promise you that
is the question being asked. We got problems, and by we,
I mean Sirianni because and Fansio. You need those guys
(56:10):
to be good. So I say, the Eagles gotta this
bye week. They got to figure out their defensive line,
they got to figure out their defense, and they got
to just figure out how to get Jalen comfortable again.
Obviously he's gonna look better with the AJ Brown out
there and Devonte Smith, but he still should be able
to be pretty you know, efficient when you're paying the
(56:31):
guy forty five to fifty million dollars a year. And
that's that's on Callen. Mart's why he gets paid a
lot of money, a lot of pressure, the volume
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