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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it's our two. We're in LA. It's the Herd.
Big story today. DeVante Adams for the Raiders doesn't get
along with Antonio Peers particularly well and hasn't for a while,
and they want to move him and bad teams and
the Raiders have no shot in this division to win it.

(00:46):
And I don't think they're at top seven or eight, nine,
ten team in the AFC. I think they play hard,
but there's no urgency for Antonio Peers for Tom Telesco
to win today. So improve the roster. Get draft picks.
You can probably get a third, fifth, maybe you can
get a second in a player. I'd rather get draft
picks at this point. Davonte Adams is expensive, but according
to Diana Russini, the Jets and the Cowboys are interested.

(01:09):
Craig Carton reporting this morning, on FS one that the
Jets have already made a call in an offer. I
do think it makes the Jets better. I think he
makes anybody better, but I think Aaron Rodgers and Devonte
Adams have some history, so it makes it better. I
also think there's something to consider here. The Jets do
not have a great offensive coordinator. It's a fairly remedial offense,

(01:31):
which even Garrett Wilson complained about this week. So it's
like they need extra juice to compensate for because Aaron
moves now. He's running now, so you don't have to
compensate for that. Aaron, at least athletically is moving now.
His knee is all swelled up, he's banged up, he
admits that, so I don't think they want him moving
around a lot against Minnesota. He may have to, But

(01:52):
if you don't love your offensive coordinator, if you don't
think he's super clever, one of the ways to score
is big splash plays. And if Garrett Wilson's you're only
big splash play guy, you roll over coverage like Denver did,
you kind of eliminate that so DeVante Adams would force you.
With Garrett Wilson on the other side, you couldn't roll coverage,
your safeties have to stay back, you can't cheat against

(02:13):
on the run. So it does make the Jets better,
and I think, actually the Jets are pretty good. I
just don't love the staff. I like the Dallas staff
with Mike Zimmer and McCarthy more. I just think Dallas
has so many issues. They can't run, they can't stop
the run. We all beat up on McCarthy, but McCarthy
and Mike Zimmer are more than capable. This is a

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personnel issue with the Jets. I start to think it's
a little more of a coaching issue, not a personnel issue.
So I did see this. So the Athletic polled anonymous
player pull and they asked the players. Over one hundred
players responded. If you were to start an NFL team,
who is the first non quarterback you would take? Well,

(02:59):
Tyreek Hill one go going away and Justin Jefferson wide
receiver was too. Both great players not denying that. I
think if I was starting a fantasy team, that would
be maybe my picks. But you know I've said this before,
is Kansas City moved off Tyreek Hill and won Super Bowls.
He hasn't won a playoff game in Miami. Players love
hyper athleticism and flash. If you were telling me I

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had to build my team around five players that aren't
a quarterback, I would here's my list. I'd start with
Chris Jones. He has literally been the highest graded Chiefs
defender for seven years and arguably it's been the best
defense in the league for the last two He's unblockable.
Number two would be Trent Williams. I don't want to
hear that he's old. Andrew Whitworth won a Super Bowl
left tackle at forty. Trent Williams said yesterday, I'm not

(03:44):
quitting any time soon. Just to give you an idea
of how good he is. He's the highest graded left
tackle in the history of PFF. Highest graded, didn't matter
his age. He in Gulf's good ends. The other thing
is the Niners are forty and twenty two when he play,
they are three and six when he does it. Number
three would be Miles Garrett. He's the highest graded rush

(04:06):
ind in the history of PFF. All you have to
do is watch a Cleveland game. He completely dictates everything. TJ.
Watt would be number four. He gets banged up a lot,
but the Steelers in twelve games without TJ. Watt are
one and eleven. That is insane. He does get banged up,
so I bring him a notch below Miles Garrett or
a Chris Jones number five. Max Crosby for as kind

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of reckless and physical. He never gets hurt. He's missed
one start due to health in six years. Leads the
NFL in tackles for loss over the last three seasons.
So I've said this before, there is a conveyor belt
on an annual basis College de pro for wide receivers.
I'm not starting my team with the wide receiver. That's

(04:49):
the one thing about DeVonta Adams I don't love is
the fact that if you're going to pay Ceede Lamb
and Devonte Adams, you could draft two receivers next year
and hit on both. That happens on a regular basis.
Pooka Nakua fifth round, nobody can stop him. You don't
find You don't find a lot of great left tackles
historically in the fifth round. Not a lot of Trent
Williams body types in the fifth round. Now, Max Crosby

(05:12):
was a later round, but TJ. Watt start looking at
these Chris Jones, those tend to be higher in the
draft board. And with that, Joel Klatt, the voice of
college football, joining us on a Wednesday, as he is
prone to do, the Klattmeister, joining us. All Right, I'm
very good. You got UCLA Penn State Saturday at noon. Yes,

(05:33):
so I want to start with this Bama Georgia. I
always have this feeling that when you jump out to
a huge lead and then you surrender a good part
of the lead, you've won the game. But it's hard
to sell your team at halftime play with the same
intensity as you did. Okay, I thought Kaylin de Borg
crushed it. I think I don't think he's sabing the recruiter.

(05:55):
I think at Washington, oh, he's recruiting great right now,
Well it's Alabama that helps. Like Clay Hilton recruited. Okay,
at USC, everybody recruits. I mean did he yeah, I mean,
well when he got fired, they had like the sixty
fifth ranked class.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
We see.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I think you're like the boor's a very good recruiter. Washington.
It was mean. I mean, look at some of those
players that they had. Remember, recruiting guys to stay is
just as important when you go there. He was there
for two years. He recruited guys to stay. He got
Ryan Williams to commit this year because Ryan Williams decommitted
after Saban ended up retiring. Well, I understand that, but

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but he's got right now in next year's recruiting class.
Alabama has the highest average rating for a player of
anybody in the country, and they're the number two class
in the country, right behind Ohio State. So he's out
recruiting Kirby Smart right now. In his own conference. He
just beat Kirby Smart. So I don't know if it's
fair to say like he's not a great recruiter. I

(06:49):
think he's actually a very good recruiter. I think he's
the best. I think he develops players almost like nobody
I've ever seen. I mean, I thought Michael Pennox in
Indiana was interesting. I watched him at Washington and I'm like,
what am I watching? Yeah, he finds a way. Here's
where this is. This is where I would agree with
you whether he's developing specifically the quarterback, or he's he's

(07:11):
molding the offense to take advantage of what the quarterback
can do best. He does those two things as well
as anybody in the country. He won with a dual
threat quarterback when he was at Sooux Falls and won
a national championship. Michael Pennix turns into the best deep
ball thrower I've seen in college football, maybe ever last
season and now he's gotten Jaln Milrow. And you got
a credit Millrow too, because he's obviously he's obviously committed

(07:33):
himself to becoming a much better player. No, Milrow is
a different player today, no doubt. I mean I last
year you watched him, I didn't even think NFL I
would argue he could be a first pick in the draft. Well,
he's clearly the most dynamic player on the field. When
he's on the field, he's just the most dynamic player.
Was a beautiful deep ball and he's starting to become

(07:54):
a much better thrower. Here's where Jalen Milro needs to
continue to develop, and Kaylen de Boor will get him here. Okay,
so if you just take last year's numbers, and he's
a little bit better this year, But if you take
last year's numbers, he was a top five quarterback. Jalen
Milroe was throwing the ball down the field fifteen yards
or more down the field at the line of scrimmage.
Top five quarterback anything intermediate, he was about ninetieth. Okay,

(08:15):
So why the disparity there, because it can't just be
offensive structure. Something was going on. Well, here's where it
comes into play, and quarterbacks will generally know this. If
you're throwing the ball deep down the field, that's widely
a pre snap decision, or you're taking the entire progression
out and you're saying, Okay, i've got an alert, I've
got a deep shot or a checkdown, so you're minimizing

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what the entirety of the offense is. And if you're
throwing it deep, it's usually a pre snap decision. Same
thing for at the line of scrimmage. If you're going
to throw something short shorter than five yards, that is
a pre snap decision based on alignment and structure of
the defense. So pre snap top five quarterback in college
football throwing the ball last year intermediate ninetieth. All the
intermediate zone passing is post snap decisions. It's reading aggressions,

(09:00):
it's reading zone movement keys, it's controlling the game from
the pocket. That's where he needed to develop the most.
And I've started to see this year him develop develop
in that area, which makes him much more of a
viable quarterback threat, not only this year for Alabama but
for the NFL. He's been tremendous and that game plan
early was incredibly efficient obviously for Alabama. So what are

(09:25):
we to make of Colorado now? I will argue I
could see the first player being taken in the draft
being Travis Hunter and shaduor Sanders being the second. I
mean that's possible. That's on the radar because he's a quarterback.
That is possible. I mean Travis. I mean, if you
were going to start a program and I said, you
get two great players, a quarterback and a guy that
can play both ways and score touchdowns for both, you'd

(09:45):
want that if you just did that thing with the NFL,
Like if you're if you're drafting in college football right
now for a college football team, a non quarterback. Travis
Hunter is by far the first player that what I
make of them now? After last week? So Colorado beats
UCF last week and they were about fourteen point dogs
and then they go out there and smoke them by

(10:08):
what was it, twenty eight? So basically they'd beat they
beat Vegas by what forty two points, which is wild.
Now here's what is wild is that it was as
balanced and complete a victory as Colorado has had as
a program in well over two decades, certainly the best
performance that they've ever had under Dion Sanders. And here's

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the difference column, is that defensively in their front, they're
actually playing legitimate defense. UCF was the number one rush
team in the country, and they held UCF to under
two hundred yards rushing. They were averaging three seventy five
coming in, So their defensive front is much better. And
all of a sudden they start running the ball. Do
you know how? This was wild? And I'm gonna nerd

(10:50):
out for a second. This is what I love about
in season adjustments and development from a program. And this,
by the way, is going to go to show you
like how good of an actual football coach Deon sanders
In is and is offensive coordinator Pat Shermer. They were
primarily in ten personnel up until last week. Do you
know what ten personnel is? One back, zero tight ends,

(11:11):
four wide receivers. When you're in that personnel group, Colin,
it's incredibly difficult to run the football because you can't
control the edges of the defensive line, and you can't
create conflict on the linebackers because it's just right in
front of them. All you can do is zone zone zone.
There's no polers, there's no misdirection. The run game is

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very stale in ten personnel, so they moved to eleven personnel,
so they are about eighty percent ten personnel before UCF.
In the UCF game, eleven personnel eighty percent of the
time one back, one tight end, three wide receivers. Guess
what that one tight end gives you the ability to
do widen the edges. Control the edges in the run game.

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So now you can chop down the edge, whether you're
spinning him back or keeping him front side, and you
can run gap and power schemes, pulling guards, pulling that
tied end, and you can create conflict on those linebackers
because now they have to defend counter They've got to
defend gap schemes like pulling guards, and it's more difficult
for them. Once you do that, now you can throw

(12:14):
the football when you want to rather than when you
have to, which is what they did. The other thing
that the eleven personnel formation did for them is it
created some width on the offensive line. So guess what,
Schudor didn't have to deal with edge pressure in his
face right away because it was a further edge. You
just moved the defensive end out a little bit. So

(12:34):
that small change in personnel and schematics from Colorado made
their offense far more difficult to defend. If they stick
with that and continue to develop their run game, continue
to develop this eleven personnel package, they could plausibly at
their ceiling, beat anybody in the Big twelve. So that's
why last weekend was such a massive game, not just

(12:57):
for Colorado but for the entire conference and maybe even
the country. And it should shut up all those naysayers
about like he's only flash Dion can't coach, he's a marketer, really,
because that adjustment and what they did was schematic brilliance
and I loved it. If they face Utah yet or
any good team Utah team that lost to Arizona at

(13:18):
home on Saturday, we very could go either way. Okay,
so you didn't say fake idea of college football. Nice win,
But let's let's get to the big bulls. They beat
Vegas by forty two. Vegas Okay, they play a car dealership,
a casino, or a football team. Wow. Okay, so right

(13:39):
now it's the merging of the Pac twelve formerly and
the Big Ten. And I just throw this out there.
I heard a lot about this. Oh those California teams
when he gets cold. You know what I saw this weekend,
Wisconsin wilt in the heat. Wisconsin. Literally they literally just

(14:01):
were like, it is hot out here. We've never seen
the sun. Has anybody ever considered that is such an
outlandish take? So when they boxed Wisconsin twenty eight and second,
it never gets hot in Wisconsin, not a lot. You
act like this some sort of heat wave. It was
seventy six degrees in La Point, like conson comes out here,

(14:23):
everybody gets a sunburn, that has a badger hat on,
and the team whisks on the field in La So
I'm just saying, I'm watching USC. They're gonna you're gonna
beat Minnesota this weekend, come back and beat Penn State.
And wow, you got them beating Penn State. Penn State
travel three thousand miles. You know what that does to
college kids? NFL guys don't care. Okay, interesting, So my

(14:44):
take interesting, USC is really young offensively. Michigan was a
terrible matchup because they have the two best defensive linemen
in the country. It's a terrible matchup. It was and
USC again, freshman and sophomore go on the road, big house. Uh,
they come back home again sloppy. I mean they played
terrible in the first halfs Wisconsin's got the lead. Young

(15:05):
people make mistakes, but when the young people have way
more talent, they pulled away and dominated. My point is
USC we all sold our stock. No, no, I won't
sell stock in USC. I'm with you on this, Like listen,
I know I'm bantering with you a little bit. I'm
not selling my stock in USC. In fact, Uh, tomorrow
I'll be releasing an episode of my podcast where I

(15:26):
do a revised prediction of a college football playoff bracket.
Maybe they're in it, Wow, Maybe they're in it. Well
they now. I don't know if Penn State's a great
matchup for them because of a defender named Abdul Carter.
He's crazy, He's a phenomenal defender, and their inability to
protect the passer could come to haunt them even when

(15:47):
at home. Penn State comes out to Los Angeles. Was
just talking with a friend last night. He's unblockable, so
I know USC can't block him. That's their struggle. They
had their their tackles are kids, that's right. That's interesting.
I like USC though. I think that even if they
were to lose to Penn State. Think about this way,
Even if they were to lose to Penn State and

(16:08):
they could roll off a bit of a win streak
and beat Notre Dame at the end of the year,
I think that would be if I'm not the second,
that would be six straight wins in the season. They
would be ten and two. Now you go to the
SEC and you start thinking about how the SEC can
kind of play out. Well, if LSU can get on
a little bit of a run, like let's say they
beat Ole Miss at home at night, which is not

(16:29):
out of the question, and now all of a sudden,
like they beat an Oklahoma team that's struggling on offense,
and now all of a sudden, you can get LSU
to ten and two, seven and one in the SEC. Well,
if LSU is ten and two, seven to one in
the SEC, they will be on the doorstep of the
SEC championship game, and everybody will be clamoring for them
to beware Colin in the College Football Playoff. If they're

(16:50):
in the College Football Playoff, what happens to that ten
and two Big ten team that beat them in Week one?
They're in the College Football player ls. You can get
sc even with a Penn State loss, you can get
sc very close to the playoff, if not definitely in
the playoff. How about this one. I watched Arch Manning
so far this year. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. And there's
a percentage of people, and this is America, we love celebs.

(17:14):
We cut him down that are rooting against him because
he's Manning. It's sad because he's a great kid, great family.
Sure you know him, we know him. Yeah. I watch
Arch Manning and I got to give this kid credit.
He would start for virtually every other college team in America.
There's no there's no questions. I mean, he probably doesn't
start at Colorado and Texas and that might be it,

(17:36):
and maybe Alabama because of Jalen Milrod. Every other kid's
transferring and he hasn't set up peep. Yeah. And he's
a Manning. Yeah. So I think that the future of
football is so bright. I think in ten years, if

(17:56):
you're still doing this, we're going to be talking about
out an incredible NFL Sunday matchup between Arch Manning and
Dylan Rayola. Like, there are some young players, and I
can still consider him to be young because he's in experience.
Is Nico Iomalayava at Tennessee? Like there are some maybe
Jalen Miller. There are some players in college football that

(18:19):
shudor Sanders Like, We're going to be watching these guys
for a long time. Manning's one of them, whether he's
the starter at Texas or not. And yours is their starter,
and he's going to be their starter, and they want
him back and he's their leader. But Arch has solidified
them as as a bona fide national championship contender because
now it doesn't matter if their quarterback stays healthy. There's
still a premier team in the country with him at quarterback. Oh,

(18:43):
they could win the national championship with Arch Manning and Quenu.
I think that's true. I think that that's absolutely right.
By the way, that's not even the wide receivers that
are young in the country. I know you brought up Manning,
but think about like ten years from now, we could
be seeing a Manning Rayola, you know NFL matchup and
one of them might have Ryan Williams on his team
or Jeremiah Smith. These two freshman wide receiver from Ohio State,

(19:05):
Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams, the true freshman at Alabama.
The young players in our sport right now are incredible
and it makes me incredibly excited for the future of
our sport. I just love. And everybody's gonna say, well,
he's a Manning. He doesn't need to you know, transfer
for money. Yeah, like Peyton Manning is just you know,
sending his brothers all his cash. The truth of the

(19:27):
matter is it takes a certain value system and patience
and maturity to not run when things go sideways. Well
you don't get what you want. That family will know
and I have been told by those around not directly
by them, but those or those around them they understand
two truths about developing quarterbacks for the long run. One

(19:51):
is don't play too early, in particular in college, because
you can be ruined. So he went there with the
objective to develop for a couple of years without being
the starter. That was the objective at Texas under a
guy that's going to teach him an NFL style of
system that'll be good for him long term. That's Steve Sarkisian.
So that's number one. Number two will be the more

(20:14):
reps that you get in college, the better your success
is likely to be in the NFL. I've been through
this with you on your show. If you look at
the guys that have won Super Bowl since Tom Brady
won his first Super Bowl, all the way back to
the turn of the century, you know, in two thousand,
you will see that on average, the quarterbacks that are
winning super Bowl Bowls in the NFL stayed for about

(20:37):
thirty six or more starts in college football their college career.
Just average out their college career, they attempted well over
fourteen hundred passes. A lot of them have over fifty
to sixty touchdown passes, nine hundred completions. What do you see? Experience? Experience?
Why Why is Jayden Daniels and bow Nicks having a
lot of success. They're experienced players. They have been on

(21:00):
a football field for more snaps than others, and and
that's I think how you start to have success long term.
And they know that about Arch. By the way, I'm
not banging on transfers because Jaden went from a met
program to LSU. But Arch is it a program where
he would start for everybody else in the country and
he'll start next year. Yeah, But I like the idea of,

(21:21):
hey man, I'm this, this, this, and it's a I'm
gonna sit and learn. It's just smart. I see guys transfer,
and many of them, by the way, Steve Starkeghan isn't
at other places, right, So fine, transfer where now? I
mean not saying that there aren't some other places you
could go and really get developed as an NFL passer
in Ohio State might be one of those. There's some

(21:42):
others out there. But and this is going to seem
like a like a knock and maybe it is, But
where are you gonna go? Like Auburn? That's a that's
a dumpster fire right now? Offensively, you know, So it's
it's also who are you being taught by? And and
you could make the argument that even as a backup,
Arch is being developed better for his long term no

(22:04):
process as a quarterback under Steve Sarkisian then going to
start for hey, Joe whatever at you name the college.
One year ago I talked to Miller Moss at USC
and he was not considering transferring, but he knew he
wasn't going to play much. And I said, well, I
said to him, I said, well, if you have to
sit behind Caleb and learn from Lincoln, that's not terrible. No,

(22:27):
And that was his take. It's like, he goes, I'm
getting so much smarter than I would other places. So
it's like, if you have the right boss. I always
say this, don't chase money, there's a sea of it.
Chase the right boss or management. There's a finite number
of great If I can get Sark, I would sit
under Sark, then have a defensive coach playing for a
team that's five hundred and getting a bunch of reps. Yeah,

(22:48):
and running some very college oriented offense versus an NFL
oriented offense. And we've also seen guys take some time
to develop in college and then late in their careers
become incredible quarterbacks in college. I'm thinking of like Kyler
was this way at Oklahoma, Joe Burrow was was this way.

(23:10):
These guys that sat for a period and then found
themselves at a place to have really high success. Jayden
Daniels is one of those. So springs not bad, it's
not bad, but you got to be in a position
to succeed based on who you're playing for and what
systems you're gonna run. If I'm a quarterback, I want
to play for Ryan Day. I want to play for

(23:30):
Lincoln Riley. I want to play for Steve Sarksian. I
want to play for Kaylin de Bor. Yeah, no, I know.
I mean they'll all cut that and use that in recruiting,
but that's the truth. Those of the four guys, I
would you know, I think Lane Kiffin's a guy I
would consider Lane. Yes, yep, yeah, although they lost last week,
I know well, I think Kentucky's okay. Gave Georgia fits

(23:50):
to watch that one they did. I like Mark soops. Yeah,
a lot of people do. Ye. Good you as well?
Another good hair day. We're gonna you are just killing it?
Why fights it short? Uncle Colin does not. I watched
Nick Wright. He looks like a hipster from the six.
He's a beat. Nick. Can I want to be part

(24:10):
of the team. You know what, And you can clip
this and you can show it to him. Nick cut
your hair? He looks very cool. This is it doesn't
happen overnight. That's right, good scene, you Bud.

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Speaker 3 (24:54):
So the DeVante We're gonna go to the Devonte Adams story.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Jordan Chultz is all over this, but I do want
to point out one of our colleagues here, Eric me
and Jennie over at First Things First yesterday said something
very interesting that Aaron Rodgers should just consider going over
Robert Sala's head. Go right to the owner, Woody Johnson,
and say, hey, can we get Devonte Adams.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Here's the audio.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
I probably call Woody, Like, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you
called Woody directly. Yeah, Hey, Woody, looks like Devonte's gonna
be available. I really want him. I forget about the
other steps. Go to the owner, the only.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Owners ownershipbody, call Woody and and look wood he's gone
all in and the Jets have gone all in on
this decision with Aaron Rodgers, and now you're on an
opportunity to get a receiver that he has a great
relationship with.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
There's no learning curve, and if it doesn't work out,
you're probably gonna scrap the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Anyways, Yeah, I think what would happen, however, is what
does that do to the solid relationship. There's a lot
of back and forth or you know, what you hear
from the public and what we hear from people that
don't want to be public. Uh, is that Aaron and
Salah it ain't great. And we've seen instances at the

(26:13):
podium where it's not great. Well passive aggressive stuff, but
you know they'll say the right stuff. But if you
do that, if you usurp Sala's power, you've you've burned
that relationship. Now, maybe it doesn't matter to Aaron because
Aaron's got like Aaron's thing is I'm worried about my legacy.
I'm not sitting here worried about SLA's career. What what career?

(26:33):
He hasn't been a good head coach. He doesn't.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Again, I'm not bashing Salad. He seems like a great guy.
He just hasn't been a good head coach. And you
could argue, well, look at the crap quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
He's head.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Fine, he's that a good one now, right, Woody Johnson,
go recruit Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
He jumped on the private jet.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
There's there's here's the fair thing to say. Four games.
They've looked good in one against the worst team in
the league. And it is a head coach's job. Now,
he had some defensive injuries. But I think I think
the real issue here is Aaron w Alan Lazard. Aaron
wanted Nat Hackett. Aaron likes to seek comfort. I get it. Okay,
Brady did that too, but he got you Gronk and

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ab and Lenny Fernett. So Tom wants to like you.
But Tom understands just get dudes that can play, you know.
I mean, for Aaron, it's more about friend first, significant production. Second.
It feels like if Nat Hackett is who you're gonna
label as the OC, then you're not really I don't

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even know the guy, but you watch them play. Garrett
Wilson said it this week. The offense on television looks remedial.
They're like twenty eighth in the league in motion, they
just don't look. I mean, certain things pop on TV.
If you watch, for instance, Bama Georgia, you can see
fifteen NFL players. Right, if you watch Lamar Jackson, the

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speed of Baltimore's offense or the speed of Kansas City's defense,
it pops on TV. Jadeen Daniel's twitchiness, you watch the
Jets offense on TV, or like, they don't move. Basic,
It's basic.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
So we've talked about this.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
The Hussan Reddick situation is ugly and it's over money. Well,
what the hell does Joe Douglas care? It's not your money.
And oh, by the way, if this thing flops, you're
gonna be fired anyway, So just spend the money. And
I think the same applies to DeVante Adams in this
draft pick. So they want a second in a.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Fifth or whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Who cares, Joe Douglas, You're not gonna be here next
year if you guys don't make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
You would agree with that, right, the GM and the
coach are gone.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
They had their chance.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well here's the thing. If they don't win, right, are
you bringing Aaron back? And if the answer is yes,
then Saula is in trouble.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I think Aaron is already in trouble.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
It's playoffs or bus, right, we would agree, I think. So,
then what is the hold up?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Go get Devanta Adams, go pay us on Reddick, go
all in. What's the worst that can happen? You get fired? Well,
you're probably getting fired anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It seems?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I mean they've gone I think over a decade without
a playoff appearance. Collin, it's the longest in the league,
eleven or twelve years now, don't remind me was the.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Last one to get to the playoffs. With the stands down,
I remember, all right, let's go to the Dolphins. They
are a train wreck.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
They got two of the highest paid receivers in football,
but ever since Tua went down, the offense hasn't been
able to do anything. They scored twelve points on Monday night,
and a few Dolphins fans in the stands let their
feelings be known. Mike McDaniel can hear the fans, and
he knows where they're coming from.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
I guess it didn't hit me with surprise. You know,
I think people invest and have you know, to to
go and believe in a team that has, you know,
bottom line, the droughts that we this organization has incurred.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, I don't take that lightly, So.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
I would be dishonest if I've told you that that
I didn't expect that.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
A noticeable change from Mike mcdail and let the podium,
very morose, wearing all black, like he just came from
a funeral.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
This is a guy who came in remember that in
the offseason.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
He was like, we're like White and he had like
the new new glasses and he was.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Like cool, Miami, Mike. That guy looks sad and depressed
and he knows the writing stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I think, say not, how do they not have a
legit backup? How do they not have Taylor? Now?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
No, they stole Mike White from the Jets man in
their backup?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Where's he? What happened? I mean, you gotta have a
Tyrod Taylor. You have to have somebody that can if
if two is out for a month, you can win
two of those four games. Because New England's finishing fourth.
So you knew you were not as good as Buffalo.
You can't beat Buffalo. You haven't beat Buffalo for five years.
You can't stop Josh Allen. You knew you were in
a race with the Jets to win the division, and
Aaron's coming back. You cannot go into this season without

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a viable backup quarterback. A new tool was one hit away.
That's not a knee hit, that's a GM. I got
a horrible job.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Who you got?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Dolphins at Patriots? It's a Fox game, Sanchez said, he's
calling it. Patriots are minus.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
One the Patriots. I think I would take no England.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I think I'm on the Patriots too. This is it.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I'm just telling you this Miami team's getting bullied in
the trenches. They were the number one rushing offense, one
of the best in like the last fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Last year they're thirty second this year. They can't do anything.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Can't block, can't pass, block, can't run, block like Tyreek Hill.
It's bubbling over. Did you see his tweet this morning?
Woke up to trade rumors or something like that. I
wonder if he was watching the show. Anyways, Let's go
to the final story, Colin.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
That's Derrick Henry.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
The Ravens signed him, and you could imagine that that
eighty seven yard touchdown run he had against the Bills.
That's what they envisioned. Well, Baltimore. I mean, listen, you
already had Lamar Jackson one of the best weapons in football.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Now you add a Hall of Fame running back.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
John Harbaugh talked about just how much of an impact
Henry's had on this squad.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
He's a very you know, just tough human being for sure,
But you really proof is in the results.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I mean you kind of go by what you see.

Speaker 8 (32:00):
So when we're evaluating the possibility of bringing them in here,
I think we just looked at how he's been playing,
you know, and to see that continue on. Obviously he's great,
but we did expect him to play this way.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
He's such a perfect Baltimore Raven Like if I just
said one word, one or two words to describe every franchise,
Ravens to me are tough, Lamar tough, and I think
Derrick Henry is Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson together. I
gotta tell you, I say say this all the time.

(32:31):
If you gave me one team to watch every week,
it would be the Ravens. I love watching them play.
I like the Niners too. I think the Niners and
Kyle have so many weapons. They're so fun. I love
watching the Ravens play.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
So does that mean you're leaning Ravens only minus two
and a half at Cincinnati?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's a stay away game.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Something's going on with this game.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I get really concerned. It's a division rival. You come
off a standalone game when you look like the best
team in the league history. This is a weird LEA
by the way, a lot of the wise guys are
struggling this year. It's been the underdogs are crushing and
it's this has been a there's no I mean, we
thought New England was terrible. They're a one point game.

(33:11):
The gap this year feels small, and it is always
smaller than college football. There's no eight point favorites.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
They want they want parody and they got it right.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I mean, what about how about the Bears game with
Carolina this week?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I know you remember I say in Carolina. I'm slowly
backing off that.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
I mean, the money's invested, but it feels like it's
lid on fire at this point.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm not feeling great about Carolina.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I think Caleb keeps getting better every week. So it's
like I can't look at Caleb like every week everything
gets better, So I can't like two weeks ago and
I've taken Carolina with Dalton. Now it's like, I think
I like Chicago.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
So tell me which Bengals defense shows up, the one
that got carved up by Dalton or the one that
held Patrick Mahomes to one hundred fifty yards passing.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't know. That's why it's a stay away game.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Something something tells me the Bengals are going to show
up and win this game, which seems shocking after what
you just offered the radio.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But that's this league, right, So is j Mack with
the news?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:10):
He is, without question, the greatest player in this league
that gets no respect, and I'll tell you who that
is next.

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Speaker 1 (34:47):
So Jared Goff set an NFL record on Monday night.
He completed eighteen of eighteen passes in the game and
he didn't get a game ball. Dan Campbell felt terrible,
laughed about it after the game, gave him a game
ball yesterday. Dan Campbell's a good guy. But it does
point to what has been something I can remember Jared
Goff out dueling Mahomes at the Coliseum in LA. Game

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was supposed to be in Mexico. It got moved back
to LA and put on a clinic. The kid is
really good. He was good at Cal. He's a number
one pick, but he's not as memorable because he's kind
of like Matt Ryan with a better arm. But just
to give you a sense, we always do blind resume
about three times a year. Let's do blind resume now.

(35:28):
I'm counting all of last year and four games this year,
so about twenty games. Not a year and a half,
but a year and something. So this is a pretty
good catalog of what Jared Goff can do. And we'll
play blind resume. So I don't know what this is.
So fifteen and six record, sixty eight percent completion percentage,

(35:48):
thirty seven touchdowns. The blind resume basically has the exact
same numbers. Who is it? Okay, Lamar Jackson. Now Lamar
is is reigning MVP. Lamar brings more to the table athletically,
no question. I'm not saying Goff is Lamar Jackson. I

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would take Lamar, but it gives you total touchdowns. Lamar's
got thirty six GoF thirty seven. Let's go to the
next blind resume. Okay, now you start looking at this quarterback.
I mean, this is virtually even except GoF has a much,
a significantly higher passer rating. This quarterback completes sixty seven
percent both over five thousand yards. For our TV audience,

(36:31):
you can see it looks like this GoF fellow is
slightly better than this next guy. Who is it? Oh,
it's Patrick Mahomes last twenty games. Well, Mahomes doesn't have
a great receiving corps. Mahomes has Andy Reid. And it
should be noted after amor On Saint Brown, Laporta gets

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banged up a lot, Jamison Williams gets banged up a lot.
Jared Goff goes into a lot of games missing a
lot of targets. Let's go to the new Okay, this
guy is good this guy, but he's clearly if you
look at every stat GoF is slightly better in the
last twenty games than this quarterback. I have no idea

(37:12):
who it is. No Josh Allen. Josh Allen can run. Well,
here's what I know. Passer rating, TDS, passing yards, winning percentage,
completion percentage, they all go to golf. You can make
a bunch of excuses on this. And Amaran Saint Brown,

(37:33):
a fourth round wide receiver, is nice. Josh Allen had
Stefan Diggs, so Mahomes had Andy Reid. Let's be honest
about this right now, Baltimore tight end, running back, wide
receiver is stacked. Baltimore is the fastest offense in the league,
Chiefs fastest defense. So you start looking at all these

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stats over the last twenty games. This is a team
that forgot to give him a game ball. And I
don't think he's La Josh or Mahomes. I don't think
he can bring to the table athletically stuff I like posts.
I think when you get into the postseason and you
face the best defenses, in defensive coordinators, off script stuff
in the second half can becomes really, really valuable. It
really does you're gonna have to make plays with your feet.

(38:15):
But you start looking at a bunch of numbers. With
Jared Goff eighteen for eighteen in an NFL game, So
he is tied for first last twenty games in wins,
tied for first in the league. He is first in
total passing yards, and he's second in big pass plays.
And that is with a number two receiver and a
tight end that get banged up will He's got a

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good offensive line, folks, give me a break. Those are
passing numbers. And also I like Dan Campbell situationally, don't
trust him, but like him. One guy's got John Harbaugh,
Sean McDermott, and they Reid. I'm just saying he is
the most underrated player in the league and there's nothing close.

(38:59):
It's god a huge gap and then you can name
your guy. Even J Mack was laughing during that. It
is kind of funny. I didn't know who they were
gonna give me. It's kind of funny. But he's good.
What are you saying no for?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I love you, man, I'm not doing this.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I'm not gonna engage engage him.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
What you're not gonna engage in accuracy. You're not gonna
he doesn't want an exchange with statistical data, some cherry.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Picked stats, sure cherry, but there are some advanced stats.
I'm sure you're familiar with the EPA per play on
a great running side. Jaden Daniels is number one in
the NFL and Jared Goff is sixteenth AM on quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So I don't know rock party, Pa. You know that's
that's the county commission, the judge's pollution.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
How about success rate?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Is that what your beak? Wins a lot? He throws
for a ton of yards, he's accurate and gets a
lot of touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I'm not gonna fight you on this way.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
It's like yeah, I mean, by the way Mahomes and
Lamar inherited winning organizations and great coaches.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
He inherited loserdom in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
How's that success rate? Andy? You read last Home