October 2, 2024 • 30 mins
Colin talks to Chiefs head coach Andy Reid about Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes and their 4-0 start to the season
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're
(00:22):
listening to Fox Sports Radio. As he's aged, he stayed
young and clever and with it, the best football coach
in the world and regarded as the great play designer
and play caller of his generation. And he's a humble guy.
I didn't want to talk about that, but he's starting
to stack trophies now. Andy Reid, coach of the Super
(00:44):
Bowl back to back winning Chiefs, is joining us. You know,
I was thinking about this. Spags has been around forever.
Chris Jones is a veteran Travis Kelcey as mahomes is.
Do you ever Andy, when you I mean you guys
have been in so many close games in a row,
do you ever just go to your guys, the rock guys,
and do they ever come to you. You're so close
(01:05):
and you've had so much success, and do they ever
come to you and say, Andy, we can't we got
to take the shells off today, Andy, we can't hit
the day or are you just gonna go Listen, guys,
this is football. It's tough. What's the communication like between
you and those veterans, Fags, Chris all those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah. So with the players, I've got a player's Committee, Collin,
so they they let me know where they're at and
how they're feeling, and I try to check with them.
And it's important that in today's world we talk about
recovery and keeping guys fresh and all of that. So
I keep my ears open and I'm always listening and
asking questions, and they're they're willing to share, which is
(01:44):
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I had defended Travis Kelcey in the first couple
of weeks. I said, my guess is Andy's trying to
establish Rashi Rice is a number one target. He's trying
to get Xavier Worthy worked in. This isn't Travis issue.
It's let's get the young receivers up to speed. So
let's start with Worthy, who was a remarkably fast kid.
Not a lot of guys run like him. I don't
(02:06):
see him as a volume guy, but I think he's
really important. Do you see him as a guy that
could be twelve targets, nine catches? How do you see him?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I think you'd love him, Colin. I know Sarka
told me he was his favorite guy, which I probably
shouldn't say, but he really liked the kid. And he's
a California kid too, Colin, So I'm partial to him
a little bit. But he's very smart, and he's got
great football instincts and love us play a lot of
like DeShawn Jackson and his football knowledge and his ability.
(02:36):
So I'm not sure I want to take him through
the middle of the defense every play, but I know
he can endure some hits and he knows how to
avoid hits, which is a plus at his size.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, Gronk had this in Travis Kelsey does, and
maybe an old Antonio Gates. They just have an ability
to get open on big plays, is it uh? And
they're willing blockers, which always helps. Travis doesn't run no
tight end runs in year ten on like they ran
their second year in the league. Ask him to block it.
(03:10):
Gronk got slow, but he was valuable. If I said
to you, give me the assets of Travis Kelcey all
things considered, hand speed knowledge, what to you makes him
special and different than other tight ends historically.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Phenomenal instincts and ability of play in space. I would
tell you the second second, and none of the guys
that I've been around since I've been in the league
and watching this thing. So he just has a knack.
He's quarterback friendly, which you can appreciate. People don't know
that you were a quarterback, but I'm telling him that.
And so you know that, you know that that guy,
(03:47):
he's closest to you, and he becomes very valuable and
so and then he's got you know, he's one of
those football savant guys, player savants. He knows knows exactly
what's going on, he knows all the positions, and he
does a great job with all that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
One of the reasons teams don't win three in a row.
And it's harder now than ever because it's a much
more mobile league. Guys get richer, they have endorsements, they
get it distracted. So during the off season you're sitting
there looking at your trophies and thinking, how do I
avoid apathy and how do you Is it something you
brought into camp? Is it a talking point Andy. Nobody's
(04:29):
done this, and Shuel has had great teams in Belichick
and Bill Walsh. They had the personnel to win three
straight and the league wasn't even as mobile as it
is now. You've had injuries. How do you attack that
or do you.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
No apathy for the trophies, apathy for Tommy Berger is
not the trophy. I just try to I step back
and I understand Colin what it takes to play in
this league. It's not easy. And so training camp is
going to remain the same, and you better get your cell.
You can do whatever you want in the off season
(05:05):
that you better be prepared. And the guys know that,
and the veteran players know it, and so they come
back in good shape. They work their tails off in
the off season. They and then once they once the
season comes around, they're ready to go. And we don't
talk about the trophies. We don't look at the trophies
and do all of that stuff. We understand that the
(05:27):
competition level is so high in this league and the
parody is so close that we've got to make sure
we stay on our a game every day, and that's
the way we go about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Spags do you ever override him on anything or does
he run the show defensively? What what I mean? Do
you ever have to go hey, can we discuss this?
Can we talk about that? I know you have so
much respect for him? Where's the line on that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I'm lucky to have these coordinators at all three spots,
and Spags does a great job. I let him roll
with what he does and nobody does it better. I mean,
he's a great teacher most of all, and has a
tremendous mind for the game. So very fortunate that way
as I am on the offensive side with Nags and
(06:13):
then with Toad, so they're all they all do their thing,
and I just kind of jump in when I need
to jump in and have some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Mahomes and I love him, but most of the
great quarterbacks in my life, Elway, Peyton, Manning, Stafford, they
throw bad picks. Mahomes had a couple of them. Do
you say anything or is it a yeah, he knows
it's stunk because he's had a couple of stinkers this year.
Do you say, hey, what did you see? What do
you do when you have the best quarterback in the
(06:45):
planet and it's just doesn't look right to you. What
do you do?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, So I'm here just to be a teacher, and
so I try to help him out with whatever I
can help him out with. But nobody wants. First of all,
nobody wants to be coached more than he wants to
be coached. And then nobody knows when he makes a
mistake better than he knows he makes a mistakes, so
he doesn't want to throw the interceptions. And so maybe
there's something in there that he can see it for
(07:13):
the next time. And then my point to him is
keep firing. You're the best of the business. Keep firing,
and we'll work on the small things as we go.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
There.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Does he ever lose confidence even for a series.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I haven't seen it. You know, he wants to do well,
he wants he's that kind of guy he's going to be.
He's always in the building and that whole deal. He
grew up in a stake in locker room, so he's
always around and he wants to do well. He wants
to do well for his teammates. He's very good with
all that, and so you don't get the whole ego
(07:51):
thing in there and and that, so he just wants
to know why, the whys and where guys are and
how he can make it better and help his teammates up.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I know you're not a doctor, but there's more testing
reportedly on Rashid Rice. We're crossing our fingers in Generally
with that kind of injury, there's a report the next day.
Do we have an update, Andy, I mean, usually this
kind of injury we know fast. It appears we don't
know yet, do you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, he's gonna have a couple more tests done this
next week, so we'll see exactly where it's at. And
you know, well, I'm gonna leave it up to the doctors.
You're right. I don't claim to be that. I just
know he's not gonna be there this week and probably
the next week. So well, we've got a bunch of
(08:38):
guys that we've got to get ready to go, and
that's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
One ten straight. Uh, each of the last seven has
been a one score game. I said, you're starting to
be very new England. The coach, the quarterback situationally excellent. Great. Uh,
you know you never think about the dynasty you're in.
One you are one is You're kind of normal guy.
And uh, you know what I'll say this about I
will say this about your guys between Kelsey, Chris Jones,
(09:06):
U Spags. There's something about being in the Midwest that
you guys don't get. You know what I mean. It's
like I always feel like Green Bay and you guys
have this is that you're just normal. It's easy to
get abnormal when you start stacking trophies, it feel you
feel like a bunch of normal guys when you're when
you're around it, does it feel like you're the reigning
dynasty in America.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No, I mean, listen, all those guys that you mentioned,
and I throw Pat in there too, they're just guys
that want to work and get better, which is which
is a dream for a coach, and they take care
of business in the locker room there. They and guys
are on the same page. All those guys are real
good leaders, boltons in that mix. And I you know,
(09:51):
I've got some young guys in the secondary. They're real
good leaders and so very fortunate way Brett Veach. You know, Brett,
the great job that you does on bringing guys in
and so we try to keep it real. And what's
real is you get put your nose the grinder and
get to work. And that's what we tried to do.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs. The standard in the NFL
as always great, Senior, you always give us time. I
appreciate that, coach.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, thank you, calling you the best man.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
All right, Andy Reid? Yeah, right now. So seven straight
games they've won by one score. That's what's remarkable. It's
that that there's there. I mean, because I'll tell you,
when I watch TV, I look at Baltimore and I
go wow, like yikes. I watch Buffalo and I do
a lot of wow. With Kansas City. They just lull
(10:45):
you to sleep, and all of a sudden it's late
in these games and they are so good. It reminds
me so much in New England. The structure, the coach,
the quarterback and playmakers in crisis, and that's what they have.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in New Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app J Mack with the News.
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I'm gonna straight one score wins. Is that because four
to seven for this season? Three last seas interesting? I
know historically, what do they say about one score games.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, they worked themselves out. I will tell you this
week with the Saints, the Saints are getting a lot
of points. Six I saw what I it's a lot
of points. Don't you think that's a lot? Yeah, and
you got a you have a Rashi Reich injury, and
Hollywood Brown's not there yet.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I don't know how anyone can have watched Chargers Chiefs
and been like impressed with Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, there was zero impressive. Why But that's a lot
of what they do. And the Chargers are a middling team,
come well and missing both tackles and that went over
the Falcons. They got lucky. The Falcons screwed it up,
drove all the way down the field both times in
the final seven miles. But have you ever noticed this?
Teams screwed up a lot with New England too, when
you have the champ, when you got the Champ on
(12:05):
the door, teams do dumb stuff. There's something to be
said about that. I don't know what it is, but
there's something I don't sense that in basketball as much
or baseball. Football's weird. You get down the clock one
time out, you start overthinking stuff getting too cute.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know, doesn't first things first, have like all these
bells and whistles going on during the show.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
When the Chiefs lose.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
In the playoffs, just tune in for the show, ladies
and gentlemen, one of us will be just dancing on
this damn desk.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
All right, let's get started with Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So he just met the media column with the last
within the last hour. Uh, and of course he's peppered
with a million questions about the DeVante Adams tree. Listen
to Pierce talk to the media about all this and
DeVante Adams nonsense.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
There was also a report about social media posts involving
Devanda's status with the team that you'd liked was one
of the if you chest.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
That, Yeah, Davant's villa to hamstrings, he's rehabbing and the
rest of us are focused on Denver.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
To be here in the building today.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Are supposed to be rehabbing.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Say out yesterday do take went on an Adam show
and just as as as a social media posts earlier
this week, is this something that was accidental.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
In your part in terms of like, yeah, I'm just
focused on dinner.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, he shouldn't have done that very b check in. Well,
here's the thing. So Pierce and Davante aren't tight, okay,
and it's known in the building, but out of the
building it's not necessarily known. So you want to keep
that stuff pretty covert. And then when you do that,
you're kind of signaling yeah, unless you're doing it with
(13:39):
a purpose. Well maybe, but I don't. I don't like
what you want to do. So the Raiders have some
advantages here Dallas and the Jets. Now reportedly Dallas is out.
Now the Jets need to win and they're in London,
and if they get boxed by Minnesota, that is going
to be you better make some moves because Aaron's not
here for this to be humiliated. I mean, can you
(14:03):
imagine what happens. So, I mean, the Raiders have leverage here.
They don't have to win right now. They can move people,
they can accumulate picks. Jets have to win now, Aaron
Jo look at this. Do you think Antonio Pierce wants
to answer these questions?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know the players when they open up player availability,
it's all gonna be about DeVante Adams. Do you think
you need that in the locker room. Let's take a
run out of town as a coach.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Just a bad vibes. He's not getting run out of it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I don't even know how he got this job, frankly,
and I don't know Antonio Pierce at all.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But like, well, the players liked it. Max Crosby liked it.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Who wonderful. Hey, everybody loves the interim guy. Everybody loves
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Right, yeah, I'm rooting for him. Come on in a room, guy,
fire us up. You're not wrong. So we had to
draft Kings.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Odds for next Devanta Adams team, the Jets are the favorites.
Saints are second. Interesting that the Saints play the Chiefs
on Saturday at football. Devonte Adams, I guess has come
out through intermediaries for Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers his
two favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Third on the list is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember they
were connected to I you. I don't really get it.
They have Pickens, and Pickens gets really feisty if he
doesn't get the ball, and Davonte gets feisty if he
doesn't get them. But they also have a quarterback making peanuts. Well,
I get it. I don't know, I think I don't
think that's a great fit. Okay, Davonte is gonna be
(15:26):
so Pickens is getting twelve targets? Is Davonte good with six?
Because they're throwing to the tight end too well, they
Pickens ain't getting world targets now with Dvonte. Now, then
Pickens is unhappy. He's he's shown whatever it is in
the water, Steeler wide receivers are outsmoking, that's fair and
whatever it is? Are you ready for the fourteen?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm driving this busy the Washington commanders. Yes, Sarr Bob, Well,
everybody says that anymore. But I just did well. I
like Terry McLaurin. I don't know if I why again
can I say this? Mclaurin's number one. He is, He's
a one. If I'm are on, Saint Brown's the one,
He's a one.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
We love team building, Colin, you can have multiple number ones. Well,
what's the problem your quarterback is on the rookie deal.
You want to make the jump to light speed. Go
from a nice story nine wins maybe ten to oh damn,
this is an eleven win team that could get to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Not with this defense, but with the offense. What's wrong
with that?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You could be playing indoor games in the playoffs in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't think it's terrible, but I don't know all
of a sudden star receiver wants the ball. I don't
want to disrupt the McLaurin Jaden Daniels relationship. They have four.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Games worth of relationship. You know he's gonna help that.
A veteran superstar like Davontae.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Asay, Ryan, are you in for the Devonte washing? I
don't know how I feel about that. I don't know
right now. Everything in Washington, the vibes are great. Cliff
Kingsbury may be banging the table for it, but remember
when you bring in an expensive receiver, they want targets.
McLaurin deserves targets. It feels one of our producers just
(17:02):
put this in. Devonte to Washington feels like a good
off season move. But to jam him in, now, that's
a lot for a rookie quarterback. He's just getting his
legs on it. I wonder if he's cheaper now than
in the offseason.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I mean, I can't imagine that the Raiders deal with
this all season and don't have Devanta.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I have to give up because because of his cost,
he's probably worth a second or a third and a
fifth because Washington's not they don't have any defensive players
to give. No defense, they'll give you picks. I'm just
let me just theorize Saints go in. I think the
games at Arrowhead Saints win seventeen.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Thirteen and the Chiefs offense looks anemic. Again, does Kansas
City say we're going for the three pet this is
historic stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Let's go for Devonte. I'd like this for Shee Rice.
Thing is strange. So his injury is usually twenty four
hours later you get an answer. Okay, it's Wednesday, and
I don't know an answer on his health. So that
tells me the X ray is inconclusive. Inconclusive, and it's like, well,
they're gonna do it. Andy just said we're gonna do
(18:06):
multiple tests. Well I want to know the answer to that.
What if they're using that to keep people at bay? Well,
we don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And meanwhile they're working on getting DeAndre Hopkins Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I'm gonna tell you something, Kelsey Pacheco comes back. Maybe
maybe Pacheco comes back. He's coming back.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Kelsey turned thirty five here in what like seventy two
hours and he's looking thirty five.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh come on ye how many test says does he
have this season? No, same as me, o, boy, okay,
we have a second story.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Actually it's the Commanders and dan Quinn only four games
into his tenure. Man, he knows he's got a stud.
Quarterback Jaden Daniels is on fire Washington three straight wins
atop the NFC East. Jaydon Daniels has been lighting up
the league eighty two percent completions, and dan Quinn says,
this is no fluke.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's not a like magic that's going into this. That's
hard to say, but like he absolutely works his ass off.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like I would say that.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Number one, he really puts in the work so when
the game time comes, there's a confidence that comes from that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But what I would say is that if you're around.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Him, you feel this work ethic and there's no you know,
magic pixie dust that we're thrown into him like. It
is absolutely grinding, working, and a lot of confidence comes
from that because he can enter the game knowing that
he put the work in.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He's special. The way Quinn's talking about it, it's almost
like when you talk about me.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
No, Donald, I feel I've I've read some interviews where
you talked about me, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's I once mentioned you in an article. I will
say this though. Usually this is where you know Jayden
Daniels is different. So almost as a rule, coaches when
talking about rookie quarterbacks are patients. Yeah, they don't put
pressure on him. Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury in camp,
we're like, yeah, this kid's unbelievable. That is the opposite
(20:03):
of what you're supposed to do. So what it tells
you is he was doing this at practice eight weeks ago.
Because I've never heard a head coach be more willing.
And Dan's been around the block. Dan Quinn's been around
the block. He knows the rules. You don't say this
kid is tearing it up in the preseason. Kingsbury is
telling anybody that will listen, this is a whole different ballgame.
(20:26):
I mean, this kid is just doing stuff. And I
don't know, like when I watch his ability, it's just
his ability. CJ Stratt has some of this, but he
moves better than CJ. Some guys are just naturally effortlessly accurate,
and for some guys it's work. They have to get set,
(20:47):
they have a stance. He is just man moving left,
moving up, sliding right. It's just he just throws strikes.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I need to ask. So Cliff Kingsbury was awesome with
Kyler Murray or awesome? It fell apart the relationship.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
All Kyler's a lot of work, okay, but early the
numbers were great for Kyler.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He was in it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Cliff Kingsbury with early Jaden Daniels amazing. But I wonder
if there's a team out there that's going to push
their coach out and say, hey, we got the number
one pick, we want a quarterback, and I want Cliff
Kingsbury as my coach to develop the young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Cliff Kingsbury's made good money. He is single, so money's
not a driver. And he was multiple teams raft rooms.
So we got a very good deal with Washington. Kingsbury
is not one of these guys. I mean, great looking guy,
been a head coach, He's got eight figures in the bank,
never married, no kids, loves this. I think there are
(21:44):
certain guys like Ben Johnson's never had the job. Cliff's
had it twice as Alma Mater hired him in Arizona,
and I think Cliff realized, like the Arizona situation a
lot of that Frankly, and I've got pretty good contacts.
Kyler's a lot of work his first first rodeo in
the NFL as the head coach and I and I
(22:05):
just don't think he loved a lot of it. I
don't think he loved the managing. And now it's not
a well owned organization. But I don't from what I
was told, Cliff Kingsbury didn't love. He got tired of
it really quick. In the nonsense.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Okay, right now, if I'm the say New England Patriots,
and they end up with the number one pick, I
don't want Gerrod Mayo working with my number one pick quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To you, well, they got a quarterback, Drake may They're
not picking a quarterback Drake Mayha. They got that Mayo
won't even play. Wow, they knew that. They knew that
going in. It doesn't Patriots get the number one overall pick.
They are trading that thing for a boatload of picks.
Wait a minute, that's what I would do.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I got you and I have not been in the
building to see Drake may But the fact that he's
not playing, and now Bow Nick's is his favorite this week,
and Jade Daniels is his favorite this week.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Michael Pennix isn't playing. Teams make decisions, so they've made
a decision and Drake May. In fairness to Drake, we
thought he was talented, little bit of Herbert stuff, but
he was raw, so everybody knew this kid did not
come out like Jayden transferred second program. A lot of snaps,
eight thousand yards pass. That's not what he was. He
(23:15):
was rough.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Wait, New England's in a great spot. Actually not this year,
but next year they're gonna have the one of the
two pick. They're absolutely gonna get a boatload of picks.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I think the move is to trade the quarterback you
got at two May.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
No, no, no, you put all that time into May.
You want to start that thing up again. You're not
paying for four.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You trading the number one pick, and that guy turns
out to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't know. I mean, they've seen May up close.
None of these quarterbacks are as good a prospect as
Caleb Andrew Luck, So they're if they're great, they're great.
But we don't have a Joe Burrow in this class.
We got it, pierreself. We don't have a Joe burrow Y.
Final story is Sam Darnold.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
He's been playing out of his mind, leads the NFL
and TV passes nine hundred thirty two yards passing sixty
eight percent completions.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean, he's on fire.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Collin Jets defensive tackle Quinn Williams, who knows Sam Donald
well from their time in New York, is not surprised
how good Donald's playing.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I guess we don't have Quinn Williams.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But anyways, he said really nice things about Sam Donald,
who he's facing this weekend in London. Donald's like a
Baker Mayfield for it right, struggled out of the game.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now, there was yesterday somebody was on this show. It
may have been Mark Sanchez, but I think it was
one of our reporters that said the delta between what
coaches in the NFL think of Donald and what the
fans in media think is a mile wide offensive. Coaches
(24:48):
love Sam, tough, listens, coachable, athletic, he can be reckless.
He's got some Jay Cutler, some Carson Wentz, some Andrew
Luck where he's just gonna I mean he played linebacker
point in high school. This kid is tough. Yeah, he's
kind of got and I think at USC he wasn't
brilliantly coached. So he came into this at a high
(25:08):
school in college just playing hero ball. He wasn't great
on the whiteboard, That's what I was told. He wasn't
great in the whiteboard. Baker came out with Lincoln Riley
was great on the whiteboard, goes up in front of
the NFL guys and everybody's like, yeah, that's the guy.
I was told that on Darneld. So he's finally got
his mentor. And what you're seeing is what a lot
of people projected. They thought Adam Gaz could deliver that
(25:30):
and didn't. Yeah, not quite.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I'm obviously privy to the Jets defensive game plan at
being a Jets fan. They're gonna blitz the hell out
of Sam Darnald and he's been a little dicey under
under pressure this season at times. Packers really got to him.
And the Jets have the defensive backs to hang with
Jefferson and Addison, and I think this is going to
be a fascinating game.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know it's early for you Sunday morning, but start role.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I'm gonna be texting during the Jets victory on US
on Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh boy, I'd be careful on that. Minnesota's a law favorite.
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Line News more after this live in La, It's the Herd.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon easternn a em Pacific.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Make sure you play this week's Fox Super Six sponsored
by DraftKings. Go to the Fox Sports app and enter
for a free chance to the weekly cast prizes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So you don't have to watch game film.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Certain things jump off the television when you watch the
Steelers physicality on defense to the Niners finnicality on offense,
or the Ravens speed on offense or the chief speed
on defense, it jumps off the TV. And a couple
of weeks ago, Jay McK and I talked about this.
If you watch the Jets offense, turn.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The sound down. It just looks remedial, not a lot
of sets, not a lot of motions. You don't have
to be Miami or San Francisco, Kansas City of the Rams,
but it looks like on TV. It's kind of simple. Well,
Garrett Wilson radio hit this week in New York. I
don't think he was trying to bury that Hackett, but
he said what we talked about three weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I don't think we do a lot of different stuff,
you know, to be honest, you know, when I watched
football on Sunday, let's see a lot of teams run,
who mix it up and stuff like that. I don't
feel like we do that. So I think we know
our identity is just about going down and executing it.
I truly think that we are not trying. I don't
think we're trying a lot of different thingss. I know personally,
I haven't. You know, my row tree isn't hasn't been
(27:31):
what has been on in the last two years as
far as the stuff I've been running and stuff. So yeah,
it's just about figuring out whether or it's the right
identity and if it's going to win games.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, so they're twenty seventh in motion, twenty fourth in
yards per play, those are important stats in football. Offensively, now,
they don't move much, not a lot of sets, and
again you could say to yourself, well, Aaron doesn't like motion. Okay,
that's in green Bay. He was an a his at
athletic prime. He had Matt Lafleur, he had Devonte Adams,
(28:04):
and they always have above average, top ten O lines
in green Bay. So green Bay is different. He's now forty.
It's not a top five OH line. He didn't have
Matt Lafleur. He's got Nat Hackett. He didn't have Devonte Adams.
I like Garrett Wilson. He's not Devonte Adams. So you
could say, well, Aaron doesn't like well what you do
in your prime or what you are in your prime
(28:27):
and what you are with Green Bay. And for the record,
when Devonte Adams left that last year in green Bay,
that offense without motion wasn't very good because Aaron doesn't
like it. Aaron likes to go to the line. It's like, hey,
I'm smart, i can figure it out. Don't do any
bells and whistles. That's fine in green Bay. Great old line,
great coach Davonte Adams. You know, in a division that
(28:49):
didn't have a lot of elite defenses. But now you
got Buffalo and you know New England say what you
want can play defense and you look at their schedule.
You gotta have some bells and whistles. This offense is
not talented enough to just line up and roll over people.
Baltimore is an operation that has so much speed at
quarterback and so many young, twitchy guys on the outside.
(29:11):
You can kind of line up and make stuff happen again,
Josh Allen, you don't have to get too tricky. Aaron's
forty now, and now he does move better this week
than a month ago. But I think Garrett Wilson didn't
mean to call out mat Hackett. But there's some stuff
you can just watch on TV in all sports and go, yeah,
that's that's obvious. And I think the Jets look like
(29:33):
it's kind of a remedial offense without a lot of tricks,
and they don't have the personnel to do that, I
don't think. And Garrett Wilson with a tel there. J Mack,
I'm not sure how that sat with you. But twenty
seventh in motion in the NFL again, you don't have
to be Miami. You want to be eight twelve thirteen.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Nobody likes Hackett, nobody, no Jets fan anywhere. I've joked
that I wouldn't trust him to pick up my mail
if I was on vacation. He doesn't always do it
as an that's a coordinator, Budd's Rogers's guy in.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
This is the bed that Woody Johnson chose to sleep
in like former UK ambassador going to London, all his
billionaire friends sitting in that box in the London. You
better show up.
Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to
catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in
noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find
your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every day on the
iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're
(00:22):
listening to Fox Sports Radio. As he's aged, he stayed
young and clever and with it, the best football coach
in the world and regarded as the great play designer
and play caller of his generation. And he's a humble guy.
I didn't want to talk about that, but he's starting
to stack trophies now. Andy Reid, coach of the Super
(00:44):
Bowl back to back winning Chiefs, is joining us. You know,
I was thinking about this. Spags has been around forever.
Chris Jones is a veteran Travis Kelcey as mahomes is.
Do you ever Andy, when you I mean you guys
have been in so many close games in a row,
do you ever just go to your guys, the rock guys,
and do they ever come to you. You're so close
(01:05):
and you've had so much success, and do they ever
come to you and say, Andy, we can't we got
to take the shells off today, Andy, we can't hit
the day or are you just gonna go Listen, guys,
this is football. It's tough. What's the communication like between
you and those veterans, Fags, Chris all those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah. So with the players, I've got a player's Committee, Collin,
so they they let me know where they're at and
how they're feeling, and I try to check with them.
And it's important that in today's world we talk about
recovery and keeping guys fresh and all of that. So
I keep my ears open and I'm always listening and
asking questions, and they're they're willing to share, which is
(01:44):
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I had defended Travis Kelcey in the first couple
of weeks. I said, my guess is Andy's trying to
establish Rashi Rice is a number one target. He's trying
to get Xavier Worthy worked in. This isn't Travis issue.
It's let's get the young receivers up to speed. So
let's start with Worthy, who was a remarkably fast kid.
Not a lot of guys run like him. I don't
(02:06):
see him as a volume guy, but I think he's
really important. Do you see him as a guy that
could be twelve targets, nine catches? How do you see him?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I think you'd love him, Colin. I know Sarka
told me he was his favorite guy, which I probably
shouldn't say, but he really liked the kid. And he's
a California kid too, Colin, So I'm partial to him
a little bit. But he's very smart, and he's got
great football instincts and love us play a lot of
like DeShawn Jackson and his football knowledge and his ability.
(02:36):
So I'm not sure I want to take him through
the middle of the defense every play, but I know
he can endure some hits and he knows how to
avoid hits, which is a plus at his size.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, Gronk had this in Travis Kelsey does, and
maybe an old Antonio Gates. They just have an ability
to get open on big plays, is it uh? And
they're willing blockers, which always helps. Travis doesn't run no
tight end runs in year ten on like they ran
their second year in the league. Ask him to block it.
(03:10):
Gronk got slow, but he was valuable. If I said
to you, give me the assets of Travis Kelcey all
things considered, hand speed knowledge, what to you makes him
special and different than other tight ends historically.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Phenomenal instincts and ability of play in space. I would
tell you the second second, and none of the guys
that I've been around since I've been in the league
and watching this thing. So he just has a knack.
He's quarterback friendly, which you can appreciate. People don't know
that you were a quarterback, but I'm telling him that.
And so you know that, you know that that guy,
(03:47):
he's closest to you, and he becomes very valuable and
so and then he's got you know, he's one of
those football savant guys, player savants. He knows knows exactly
what's going on, he knows all the positions, and he
does a great job with all that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
One of the reasons teams don't win three in a row.
And it's harder now than ever because it's a much
more mobile league. Guys get richer, they have endorsements, they
get it distracted. So during the off season you're sitting
there looking at your trophies and thinking, how do I
avoid apathy and how do you Is it something you
brought into camp? Is it a talking point Andy. Nobody's
(04:29):
done this, and Shuel has had great teams in Belichick
and Bill Walsh. They had the personnel to win three
straight and the league wasn't even as mobile as it
is now. You've had injuries. How do you attack that
or do you.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
No apathy for the trophies, apathy for Tommy Berger is
not the trophy. I just try to I step back
and I understand Colin what it takes to play in
this league. It's not easy. And so training camp is
going to remain the same, and you better get your cell.
You can do whatever you want in the off season
(05:05):
that you better be prepared. And the guys know that,
and the veteran players know it, and so they come
back in good shape. They work their tails off in
the off season. They and then once they once the
season comes around, they're ready to go. And we don't
talk about the trophies. We don't look at the trophies
and do all of that stuff. We understand that the
(05:27):
competition level is so high in this league and the
parody is so close that we've got to make sure
we stay on our a game every day, and that's
the way we go about it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Spags do you ever override him on anything or does
he run the show defensively? What what I mean? Do
you ever have to go hey, can we discuss this?
Can we talk about that? I know you have so
much respect for him? Where's the line on that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I'm lucky to have these coordinators at all three spots,
and Spags does a great job. I let him roll
with what he does and nobody does it better. I mean,
he's a great teacher most of all, and has a
tremendous mind for the game. So very fortunate that way
as I am on the offensive side with Nags and
(06:13):
then with Toad, so they're all they all do their thing,
and I just kind of jump in when I need
to jump in and have some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Mahomes and I love him, but most of the
great quarterbacks in my life, Elway, Peyton, Manning, Stafford, they
throw bad picks. Mahomes had a couple of them. Do
you say anything or is it a yeah, he knows
it's stunk because he's had a couple of stinkers this year.
Do you say, hey, what did you see? What do
you do when you have the best quarterback in the
(06:45):
planet and it's just doesn't look right to you. What
do you do?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, So I'm here just to be a teacher, and
so I try to help him out with whatever I
can help him out with. But nobody wants. First of all,
nobody wants to be coached more than he wants to
be coached. And then nobody knows when he makes a
mistake better than he knows he makes a mistakes, so
he doesn't want to throw the interceptions. And so maybe
there's something in there that he can see it for
(07:13):
the next time. And then my point to him is
keep firing. You're the best of the business. Keep firing,
and we'll work on the small things as we go.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
There.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Does he ever lose confidence even for a series.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I haven't seen it. You know, he wants to do well,
he wants he's that kind of guy he's going to be.
He's always in the building and that whole deal. He
grew up in a stake in locker room, so he's
always around and he wants to do well. He wants
to do well for his teammates. He's very good with
all that, and so you don't get the whole ego
(07:51):
thing in there and and that, so he just wants
to know why, the whys and where guys are and
how he can make it better and help his teammates up.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I know you're not a doctor, but there's more testing
reportedly on Rashid Rice. We're crossing our fingers in Generally
with that kind of injury, there's a report the next day.
Do we have an update, Andy, I mean, usually this
kind of injury we know fast. It appears we don't
know yet, do you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, he's gonna have a couple more tests done this
next week, so we'll see exactly where it's at. And
you know, well, I'm gonna leave it up to the doctors.
You're right. I don't claim to be that. I just
know he's not gonna be there this week and probably
the next week. So well, we've got a bunch of
(08:38):
guys that we've got to get ready to go, and
that's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
One ten straight. Uh, each of the last seven has
been a one score game. I said, you're starting to
be very new England. The coach, the quarterback situationally excellent. Great. Uh,
you know you never think about the dynasty you're in.
One you are one is You're kind of normal guy.
And uh, you know what I'll say this about I
will say this about your guys between Kelsey, Chris Jones,
(09:06):
U Spags. There's something about being in the Midwest that
you guys don't get. You know what I mean. It's
like I always feel like Green Bay and you guys
have this is that you're just normal. It's easy to
get abnormal when you start stacking trophies, it feel you
feel like a bunch of normal guys when you're when
you're around it, does it feel like you're the reigning
dynasty in America.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No, I mean, listen, all those guys that you mentioned,
and I throw Pat in there too, they're just guys
that want to work and get better, which is which
is a dream for a coach, and they take care
of business in the locker room there. They and guys
are on the same page. All those guys are real
good leaders, boltons in that mix. And I you know,
(09:51):
I've got some young guys in the secondary. They're real
good leaders and so very fortunate way Brett Veach. You know, Brett,
the great job that you does on bringing guys in
and so we try to keep it real. And what's
real is you get put your nose the grinder and
get to work. And that's what we tried to do.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs. The standard in the NFL
as always great, Senior, you always give us time. I
appreciate that, coach.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, thank you, calling you the best man.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
All right, Andy Reid? Yeah, right now. So seven straight
games they've won by one score. That's what's remarkable. It's
that that there's there. I mean, because I'll tell you,
when I watch TV, I look at Baltimore and I
go wow, like yikes. I watch Buffalo and I do
a lot of wow. With Kansas City. They just lull
(10:45):
you to sleep, and all of a sudden it's late
in these games and they are so good. It reminds
me so much in New England. The structure, the coach,
the quarterback and playmakers in crisis, and that's what they have.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in New Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app J Mack with the News.
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I'm gonna straight one score wins. Is that because four
to seven for this season? Three last seas interesting? I
know historically, what do they say about one score games.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, they worked themselves out. I will tell you this
week with the Saints, the Saints are getting a lot
of points. Six I saw what I it's a lot
of points. Don't you think that's a lot? Yeah, and
you got a you have a Rashi Reich injury, and
Hollywood Brown's not there yet.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I don't know how anyone can have watched Chargers Chiefs
and been like impressed with Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, there was zero impressive. Why But that's a lot
of what they do. And the Chargers are a middling team,
come well and missing both tackles and that went over
the Falcons. They got lucky. The Falcons screwed it up,
drove all the way down the field both times in
the final seven miles. But have you ever noticed this?
Teams screwed up a lot with New England too, when
you have the champ, when you got the Champ on
(12:05):
the door, teams do dumb stuff. There's something to be
said about that. I don't know what it is, but
there's something I don't sense that in basketball as much
or baseball. Football's weird. You get down the clock one
time out, you start overthinking stuff getting too cute.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know, doesn't first things first, have like all these
bells and whistles going on during the show.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
When the Chiefs lose.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
In the playoffs, just tune in for the show, ladies
and gentlemen, one of us will be just dancing on
this damn desk.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
All right, let's get started with Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So he just met the media column with the last
within the last hour. Uh, and of course he's peppered
with a million questions about the DeVante Adams tree. Listen
to Pierce talk to the media about all this and
DeVante Adams nonsense.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
There was also a report about social media posts involving
Devanda's status with the team that you'd liked was one
of the if you chest.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
That, Yeah, Davant's villa to hamstrings, he's rehabbing and the
rest of us are focused on Denver.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
To be here in the building today.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Are supposed to be rehabbing.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Say out yesterday do take went on an Adam show
and just as as as a social media posts earlier
this week, is this something that was accidental.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
In your part in terms of like, yeah, I'm just
focused on dinner.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, he shouldn't have done that very b check in. Well,
here's the thing. So Pierce and Davante aren't tight, okay,
and it's known in the building, but out of the
building it's not necessarily known. So you want to keep
that stuff pretty covert. And then when you do that,
you're kind of signaling yeah, unless you're doing it with
(13:39):
a purpose. Well maybe, but I don't. I don't like
what you want to do. So the Raiders have some
advantages here Dallas and the Jets. Now reportedly Dallas is out.
Now the Jets need to win and they're in London,
and if they get boxed by Minnesota, that is going
to be you better make some moves because Aaron's not
here for this to be humiliated. I mean, can you
(14:03):
imagine what happens. So, I mean, the Raiders have leverage here.
They don't have to win right now. They can move people,
they can accumulate picks. Jets have to win now, Aaron
Jo look at this. Do you think Antonio Pierce wants
to answer these questions?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know the players when they open up player availability,
it's all gonna be about DeVante Adams. Do you think
you need that in the locker room. Let's take a
run out of town as a coach.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Just a bad vibes. He's not getting run out of it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I don't even know how he got this job, frankly,
and I don't know Antonio Pierce at all.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
But like, well, the players liked it. Max Crosby liked it.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Who wonderful. Hey, everybody loves the interim guy. Everybody loves
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Right, yeah, I'm rooting for him. Come on in a room, guy,
fire us up. You're not wrong. So we had to
draft Kings.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Odds for next Devanta Adams team, the Jets are the favorites.
Saints are second. Interesting that the Saints play the Chiefs
on Saturday at football. Devonte Adams, I guess has come
out through intermediaries for Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers his
two favorite quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Third on the list is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Remember they
were connected to I you. I don't really get it.
They have Pickens, and Pickens gets really feisty if he
doesn't get the ball, and Davonte gets feisty if he
doesn't get them. But they also have a quarterback making peanuts. Well,
I get it. I don't know, I think I don't
think that's a great fit. Okay, Davonte is gonna be
(15:26):
so Pickens is getting twelve targets? Is Davonte good with six?
Because they're throwing to the tight end too well, they
Pickens ain't getting world targets now with Dvonte. Now, then
Pickens is unhappy. He's he's shown whatever it is in
the water, Steeler wide receivers are outsmoking, that's fair and
whatever it is? Are you ready for the fourteen?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm driving this busy the Washington commanders. Yes, Sarr Bob, Well,
everybody says that anymore. But I just did well. I
like Terry McLaurin. I don't know if I why again
can I say this? Mclaurin's number one. He is, He's
a one. If I'm are on, Saint Brown's the one,
He's a one.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
We love team building, Colin, you can have multiple number ones. Well,
what's the problem your quarterback is on the rookie deal.
You want to make the jump to light speed. Go
from a nice story nine wins maybe ten to oh damn,
this is an eleven win team that could get to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Not with this defense, but with the offense. What's wrong
with that?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You could be playing indoor games in the playoffs in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't think it's terrible, but I don't know all
of a sudden star receiver wants the ball. I don't
want to disrupt the McLaurin Jaden Daniels relationship. They have four.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Games worth of relationship. You know he's gonna help that.
A veteran superstar like Davontae.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Asay, Ryan, are you in for the Devonte washing? I
don't know how I feel about that. I don't know
right now. Everything in Washington, the vibes are great. Cliff
Kingsbury may be banging the table for it, but remember
when you bring in an expensive receiver, they want targets.
McLaurin deserves targets. It feels one of our producers just
(17:02):
put this in. Devonte to Washington feels like a good
off season move. But to jam him in, now, that's
a lot for a rookie quarterback. He's just getting his
legs on it. I wonder if he's cheaper now than
in the offseason.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
I mean, I can't imagine that the Raiders deal with
this all season and don't have Devanta.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I have to give up because because of his cost,
he's probably worth a second or a third and a
fifth because Washington's not they don't have any defensive players
to give. No defense, they'll give you picks. I'm just
let me just theorize Saints go in. I think the
games at Arrowhead Saints win seventeen.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Thirteen and the Chiefs offense looks anemic. Again, does Kansas
City say we're going for the three pet this is
historic stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Let's go for Devonte. I'd like this for Shee Rice.
Thing is strange. So his injury is usually twenty four
hours later you get an answer. Okay, it's Wednesday, and
I don't know an answer on his health. So that
tells me the X ray is inconclusive. Inconclusive, and it's like, well,
they're gonna do it. Andy just said we're gonna do
(18:06):
multiple tests. Well I want to know the answer to that.
What if they're using that to keep people at bay? Well,
we don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And meanwhile they're working on getting DeAndre Hopkins Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I'm gonna tell you something, Kelsey Pacheco comes back. Maybe
maybe Pacheco comes back. He's coming back.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Kelsey turned thirty five here in what like seventy two
hours and he's looking thirty five.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh come on ye how many test says does he
have this season? No, same as me, o, boy, okay,
we have a second story.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Actually it's the Commanders and dan Quinn only four games
into his tenure. Man, he knows he's got a stud.
Quarterback Jaden Daniels is on fire Washington three straight wins
atop the NFC East. Jaydon Daniels has been lighting up
the league eighty two percent completions, and dan Quinn says,
this is no fluke.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's not a like magic that's going into this. That's
hard to say, but like he absolutely works his ass off.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like I would say that.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Number one, he really puts in the work so when
the game time comes, there's a confidence that comes from that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But what I would say is that if you're around.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Him, you feel this work ethic and there's no you know,
magic pixie dust that we're thrown into him like. It
is absolutely grinding, working, and a lot of confidence comes
from that because he can enter the game knowing that
he put the work in.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He's special. The way Quinn's talking about it, it's almost
like when you talk about me.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
No, Donald, I feel I've I've read some interviews where
you talked about me, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's I once mentioned you in an article. I will
say this though. Usually this is where you know Jayden
Daniels is different. So almost as a rule, coaches when
talking about rookie quarterbacks are patients. Yeah, they don't put
pressure on him. Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury in camp,
we're like, yeah, this kid's unbelievable. That is the opposite
(20:03):
of what you're supposed to do. So what it tells
you is he was doing this at practice eight weeks ago.
Because I've never heard a head coach be more willing.
And Dan's been around the block. Dan Quinn's been around
the block. He knows the rules. You don't say this
kid is tearing it up in the preseason. Kingsbury is
telling anybody that will listen, this is a whole different ballgame.
(20:26):
I mean, this kid is just doing stuff. And I
don't know, like when I watch his ability, it's just
his ability. CJ Stratt has some of this, but he
moves better than CJ. Some guys are just naturally effortlessly accurate,
and for some guys it's work. They have to get set,
(20:47):
they have a stance. He is just man moving left,
moving up, sliding right. It's just he just throws strikes.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I need to ask. So Cliff Kingsbury was awesome with
Kyler Murray or awesome? It fell apart the relationship.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
All Kyler's a lot of work, okay, but early the
numbers were great for Kyler.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He was in it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Cliff Kingsbury with early Jaden Daniels amazing. But I wonder
if there's a team out there that's going to push
their coach out and say, hey, we got the number
one pick, we want a quarterback, and I want Cliff
Kingsbury as my coach to develop the young quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Cliff Kingsbury's made good money. He is single, so money's
not a driver. And he was multiple teams raft rooms.
So we got a very good deal with Washington. Kingsbury
is not one of these guys. I mean, great looking guy,
been a head coach, He's got eight figures in the bank,
never married, no kids, loves this. I think there are
(21:44):
certain guys like Ben Johnson's never had the job. Cliff's
had it twice as Alma Mater hired him in Arizona,
and I think Cliff realized, like the Arizona situation a
lot of that Frankly, and I've got pretty good contacts.
Kyler's a lot of work his first first rodeo in
the NFL as the head coach and I and I
(22:05):
just don't think he loved a lot of it. I
don't think he loved the managing. And now it's not
a well owned organization. But I don't from what I
was told, Cliff Kingsbury didn't love. He got tired of
it really quick. In the nonsense.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Okay, right now, if I'm the say New England Patriots,
and they end up with the number one pick, I
don't want Gerrod Mayo working with my number one pick quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To you, well, they got a quarterback, Drake may They're
not picking a quarterback Drake Mayha. They got that Mayo
won't even play. Wow, they knew that. They knew that
going in. It doesn't Patriots get the number one overall pick.
They are trading that thing for a boatload of picks.
Wait a minute, that's what I would do.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I got you and I have not been in the
building to see Drake may But the fact that he's
not playing, and now Bow Nick's is his favorite this week,
and Jade Daniels is his favorite this week.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Michael Pennix isn't playing. Teams make decisions, so they've made
a decision and Drake May. In fairness to Drake, we
thought he was talented, little bit of Herbert stuff, but
he was raw, so everybody knew this kid did not
come out like Jayden transferred second program. A lot of snaps,
eight thousand yards pass. That's not what he was. He
(23:15):
was rough.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Wait, New England's in a great spot. Actually not this year,
but next year they're gonna have the one of the
two pick. They're absolutely gonna get a boatload of picks.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I think the move is to trade the quarterback you
got at two May.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
No, no, no, you put all that time into May.
You want to start that thing up again. You're not
paying for four.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
You trading the number one pick, and that guy turns
out to be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't know. I mean, they've seen May up close.
None of these quarterbacks are as good a prospect as
Caleb Andrew Luck, So they're if they're great, they're great.
But we don't have a Joe Burrow in this class.
We got it, pierreself. We don't have a Joe burrow Y.
Final story is Sam Darnold.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
He's been playing out of his mind, leads the NFL
and TV passes nine hundred thirty two yards passing sixty
eight percent completions.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I mean, he's on fire.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Collin Jets defensive tackle Quinn Williams, who knows Sam Donald
well from their time in New York, is not surprised
how good Donald's playing.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I guess we don't have Quinn Williams.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But anyways, he said really nice things about Sam Donald,
who he's facing this weekend in London. Donald's like a
Baker Mayfield for it right, struggled out of the game.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now, there was yesterday somebody was on this show. It
may have been Mark Sanchez, but I think it was
one of our reporters that said the delta between what
coaches in the NFL think of Donald and what the
fans in media think is a mile wide offensive. Coaches
(24:48):
love Sam, tough, listens, coachable, athletic, he can be reckless.
He's got some Jay Cutler, some Carson Wentz, some Andrew
Luck where he's just gonna I mean he played linebacker
point in high school. This kid is tough. Yeah, he's
kind of got and I think at USC he wasn't
brilliantly coached. So he came into this at a high
(25:08):
school in college just playing hero ball. He wasn't great
on the whiteboard, That's what I was told. He wasn't
great in the whiteboard. Baker came out with Lincoln Riley
was great on the whiteboard, goes up in front of
the NFL guys and everybody's like, yeah, that's the guy.
I was told that on Darneld. So he's finally got
his mentor. And what you're seeing is what a lot
of people projected. They thought Adam Gaz could deliver that
(25:30):
and didn't. Yeah, not quite.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I'm obviously privy to the Jets defensive game plan at
being a Jets fan. They're gonna blitz the hell out
of Sam Darnald and he's been a little dicey under
under pressure this season at times. Packers really got to him.
And the Jets have the defensive backs to hang with
Jefferson and Addison, and I think this is going to
be a fascinating game.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know it's early for you Sunday morning, but start role.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I'm gonna be texting during the Jets victory on US
on Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Oh boy, I'd be careful on that. Minnesota's a law favorite.
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Line News more after this live in La, It's the Herd.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon easternn a em Pacific.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Make sure you play this week's Fox Super Six sponsored
by DraftKings. Go to the Fox Sports app and enter
for a free chance to the weekly cast prizes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So you don't have to watch game film.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Certain things jump off the television when you watch the
Steelers physicality on defense to the Niners finnicality on offense,
or the Ravens speed on offense or the chief speed
on defense, it jumps off the TV. And a couple
of weeks ago, Jay McK and I talked about this.
If you watch the Jets offense, turn.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The sound down. It just looks remedial, not a lot
of sets, not a lot of motions. You don't have
to be Miami or San Francisco, Kansas City of the Rams,
but it looks like on TV. It's kind of simple. Well,
Garrett Wilson radio hit this week in New York. I
don't think he was trying to bury that Hackett, but
he said what we talked about three weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I don't think we do a lot of different stuff,
you know, to be honest, you know, when I watched
football on Sunday, let's see a lot of teams run,
who mix it up and stuff like that. I don't
feel like we do that. So I think we know
our identity is just about going down and executing it.
I truly think that we are not trying. I don't
think we're trying a lot of different thingss. I know personally,
I haven't. You know, my row tree isn't hasn't been
(27:31):
what has been on in the last two years as
far as the stuff I've been running and stuff. So yeah,
it's just about figuring out whether or it's the right
identity and if it's going to win games.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, so they're twenty seventh in motion, twenty fourth in
yards per play, those are important stats in football. Offensively, now,
they don't move much, not a lot of sets, and
again you could say to yourself, well, Aaron doesn't like motion. Okay,
that's in green Bay. He was an a his at
athletic prime. He had Matt Lafleur, he had Devonte Adams,
(28:04):
and they always have above average, top ten O lines
in green Bay. So green Bay is different. He's now forty.
It's not a top five OH line. He didn't have
Matt Lafleur. He's got Nat Hackett. He didn't have Devonte Adams.
I like Garrett Wilson. He's not Devonte Adams. So you
could say, well, Aaron doesn't like well what you do
in your prime or what you are in your prime
(28:27):
and what you are with Green Bay. And for the record,
when Devonte Adams left that last year in green Bay,
that offense without motion wasn't very good because Aaron doesn't
like it. Aaron likes to go to the line. It's like, hey,
I'm smart, i can figure it out. Don't do any
bells and whistles. That's fine in green Bay. Great old line,
great coach Davonte Adams. You know, in a division that
(28:49):
didn't have a lot of elite defenses. But now you
got Buffalo and you know New England say what you
want can play defense and you look at their schedule.
You gotta have some bells and whistles. This offense is
not talented enough to just line up and roll over people.
Baltimore is an operation that has so much speed at
quarterback and so many young, twitchy guys on the outside.
(29:11):
You can kind of line up and make stuff happen again,
Josh Allen, you don't have to get too tricky. Aaron's
forty now, and now he does move better this week
than a month ago. But I think Garrett Wilson didn't
mean to call out mat Hackett. But there's some stuff
you can just watch on TV in all sports and go, yeah,
that's that's obvious. And I think the Jets look like
(29:33):
it's kind of a remedial offense without a lot of tricks,
and they don't have the personnel to do that, I
don't think. And Garrett Wilson with a tel there. J Mack,
I'm not sure how that sat with you. But twenty
seventh in motion in the NFL again, you don't have
to be Miami. You want to be eight twelve thirteen.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Nobody likes Hackett, nobody, no Jets fan anywhere. I've joked
that I wouldn't trust him to pick up my mail
if I was on vacation. He doesn't always do it
as an that's a coordinator, Budd's Rogers's guy in.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
This is the bed that Woody Johnson chose to sleep
in like former UK ambassador going to London, all his
billionaire friends sitting in that box in the London. You
better show up.
Hosts And Creators
Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.