October 7, 2024 • 45 mins
John breaks down another exciting Sunday Night Football matchup, this time with Dak Prescott, CeeDee Lamb and the Dallas Cowboys defeating Justin Fields’ red-hot Pittsburgh Steelers, 20-17. Following a “signature” late game Cowboys dub, which included an exciting score with little time remaining, John celebrates the 4th quarter comeback and explains why despite a win Dallas could struggle to be a playoff contender due to their offensive woes. John dives into Dak Prescott’s turnover struggles and breaks down how the Cowboys QB1 stepped up late to help Head Coach Mike McCarthy and co. capture a much-needed victory.
After, Middlekauff goes off on Justin Fields and the quarterback disparity between Pittsburgh and Dallas.
Finally, another edition of overrated/underrated including the New York Jets and Aaron Rodgers losing a tough game against Justin Jefferson’s Minnesota Vikings and the reigning MVP Lamar Jackson’s Baltimore Ravens taking down Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals in overtime.
7:17 - Sunday Night Football Reaction
24:58 - Overrated or Underrated
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How are we doing? How are we doing? My people?
What a moment for McCarthy who goes into his hometown
with his sixty million dollar quarterback, gets the ball, He's down?
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What was he been down? He was down four points
with five minutes to go, and Dak Prescots leads him
on a fifteen play drive wins the game on fourth down.
What a moment for the Cowboys. What a moment for
McCarthy and Dak even Jerry, who Steven went in for
the hug and it looked like Jerry might have a
heart attack or something. Rough night for Pittsburgh. I'm sorry.
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You get that many, create that many turnovers, TJ Watts
dominating at that level, you gotta win that game. So
we will dive into that. We'll do a little overrated
Underrated on just some things that happened today and yesterday
that I want to touch on, because a lot of
crazy stuff happened. I mean, Alabama lost to Vanderbilt, so
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and obviously some other crazy stuff. I mean, the forty
nine ers lost to the Arizona Cardinals, and Daniel Jones
kind of looked really good on the road in Seattle.
So the Bengals are one and four and they went
to overtime in a game where they scored thirty eight
points in regulation. How often does that happen? Can't be often,
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Not in the NFL, not in the AFC North. So
we'll do a little Overrated Underrated. We'll have a podcast
obviously all week long. We'll have one tomorrow React in
the Monday night game, which a pretty good game. The
Chiefs Saints pretty excited for that one. See my guy
Derek Carr get back against Andy Reid old little Raider
chief rivalry. Dennis Aunt actually coach Raiders too, so that'll
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be fun. I don't know if you want to coach
the Raiders. That's probably not great for business. But well
we'll dive into that as well. People think I'm a hater,
but hey, they got kurb stomped today by the Denver
Broncos and we'll do a big mail bag tomorrow. So
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watch the Cowboys. Dak is one of the more bizarre
players I think I've ever watched, because no guy can
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throw worst picks right. He does that consistently, He's done
it in big moments, and then no guy can lead
his team on the road undermanned. They got no running game.
He's got offensive line injuries. Hell, the best offensive lineman
he's probably ever played with or one of them. Has
literally never got a cramp in his entire life, starts
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getting attacked with cramps, leads him fifteen plays, seventy yards
touchdown on fourth down. The same guy that threw an
awful red zone pick. His interception later in the game
on the deep ball to Joey Porter Junior wasn't even close.
Like in a vacuum. He can have these plays. You're like,
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is that Deshaun Watson? And then he can lead a drive,
You're like, is that Patrick Mahomes. That's where I think
it's so maddening, right, It's like, listen, there's value in
everything he's done and what he brings to the Cowboys
character wise, intangible wise. His regular season record speaks for itself.
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Him and the head coach have clearly a fantastic relationship, right,
Mike's Pittsburgh guy. They show it on the broadcast that
they went. I don't know if it's like his the
home he grew up in. Just go see family and
who's there two guys Cooper Rush and Dak Prescott. I
guess Trey Lance not on that group text. But there's
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so much that he brings to the table. And then
there are moments like I went to dinner, we got delayed.
I was hungry. I was like, yeah, let's just go
out to dinner. The game's not even starting to like seven,
so I basically watched the first half at a steakhouse
and it's on mute, right, so you're just watching it
on the TV. In the background. You see Guiden go out,
you see a defensive lineman go out. You're like, they're
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coming in undermanned. They got no shot to win this game. None.
It's like they're defenses and shambles. And then we'll get
into the Steelers here in a minute, you realize, like
Pittsburgh doesn't have the offense to take advantage. I don't
care who's out there playing defense for the Cowboys, but
Mike and Dak, like it's not really arguable at this point,
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have a pretty good chemistry rapport and thing going now,
Like I don't blame some of these picks on the
coaching staff, Like Dak, there's a there's a fucking defender
right there who's gonna easily undercut it, and he throws
it right to him, and he has a tendency of
throwing for a good player consistently, some of the worst
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interceptions and he got very, very lucky that they were
playing an offense that had they give you two pit
interceptions and a fumble and you can't win the game
at home like that. That's unacceptable, but they couldn't, and
they had the opportunity at the end of the game
get the ball back and Dak leads him down the field.
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And tonight, I mean, you saw some semblance of a
running game that Dwaddle guy was was running pretty hard.
But I wouldn't exactly call the Cowboys, you know, the
ninety three version with with em At Smith running behind
one of the great offensive lines in the history of
the league. So they're very dependent on him. They really
just got one wide receiver. Cooks is out I like Ferguson,
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but like that they're not. You know, Michael Irvins isn't
out there with CD and he can just like his rhythm,
his poise, how confident he is when he feels like
he knows where he's gonna go with the ball and
it and the playworks, because sometimes I think he gets
stuck on a route and listen to a lot of quarterbacks.
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He's not alone. But I think one thing that makes
like the Brady's and the Peyton's and not this version
of Aaron, but like Aaron in his heyday is obviously
they know where they want to go with the football,
but if they see something that freaks them out, they
will turn to someone else in a millisecond and get
rid of that ball. I think sometimes Dak has like
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basically got to the line and he already knows where
he's going with that ball, regardless of what you're doing.
He's pretty confident it's going to work. And then sometimes
there's just a dB sitting right there and Dak hits
him in the hands. But I like, I have moments
where you're watching him on that final drive and I've
come along, I've come around on Dak like I'm a fan.
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But that was really impressive. That was fun to watch.
I was in a weird way. I didn't have money
on this game. I don't really care about either one
of these teams in the sense of like rooting for
one to lose or one to win. I did think
it would be a pretty coo moment if Dak let
him on a game winning drive for Mike and obviously
the cameras immediately when he throws a touchdown, go to
McCarthy and he's getting bar hugged by like seven different
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guys like Dak's dumman. He knows what it means for
us for the head coach to do that in Pittsburgh.
Then you got Mike Tomlin calling a time out at
you know, on the fourth down. It's like, bro, you
if they score here, you're gonna need that time out.
You probably want to keep that thing in your back pocket.
But yeah, man, that was that was a big, big
time drive for a team with a million injuries, that
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has so much money in street clothes right now, and
their quarterback just just came through and their coach, and
like I said, you can't really debate where we sit now,
like this marriage between those two guys. If the most
important guy you have on your team is the guy
you're paying the most money by a country mile, Dak Prescott,
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and that guy works hand in hand with your head
coach who's also your offensive play caller, and they work
well together, you're gonna fire that guy. That's where I
keep getting back to, like the Sirianni thing. We always
get back to, what does Cirianni do Sala It's like, well,
he's the defensive guy, tough guy, okay, but he's not
actually calling the defense. This year, Brian Dabele, Daniel Jones
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is playing well, It's like, what's what's Brian Dabele doing. Oh,
he's calling the place. He is the offensive coordinator. And
if you would have told me a couple of years ago, Hey, Mike,
they're gonna you know, force kelling out. He's gonna take over,
how would it go? Obviously I wouldn't say it's gonna
be terrible. It's not like Mike's ntt Hackett. But I
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probably would have said in twenty twenty four or twenty
three and twenty four you would have said, what the
next year and a half is gonna look like? Yeah,
probably could be a little rocky, and it's it's been
really good and they've come through in big time moments.
So props the Cowboys forgetting a gritty win. To me,
when you look at the Steelers, what it's funny because
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whenever these two teams they don't play that often, but
when they're synonymous with this TJ. Watt draft pick, because
the Cowboys took Taco Charlton, who's like out of the
league like three or four years later over TJ Watt
they drafted and he's a defensive end at twenty eight
and TJ goes thirty. And I just texted like people
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that a couple executives at night after TJ looks like,
I don't know, like the white guy version of Lawrence Taylor.
It's like this guy, this guy's fucking unblock. What are
you supposed to do? Tight ends gets tossed, tackles have
no chance. It's not like he's just speed. He's got power.
He's got these like counter under moves, and if you
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don't set really really fast, he's on the edge so
quick that you're screwed. It's like this guy doesn't even
His brother, to me, was obviously pretty special Hall of
Fame level talent, but power was such a big part
of this JJ's game. TJ has like the ultimate combo.
I'm not saying he's JJ or Khalil Mack power wise,
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but his speed is so potent that these offensive linemen
always feel kind of on their heels and then he
can throttle them and it's just chaos. Whatever ninety is.
So I'm texting my scouting buddies and I go, how
what was the deal here, and they're like, honestly, he
just wasn't that good in college, and I think this
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is why the draft is so hard. Then I did
a little my own research Wikipedia and looked around on
the internet. He basically was a one year wonder in college,
and his senior year might have been as true. You know,
recherd junior year, I'm not exactly sure how it lined up.
He had eleven and a half sacks, so he had
a good year, but as multiple people text me, he
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looked nothing like this, and this is why it's like, well,
if we could redo the draft, he would go on.
I think there were a lot of people that thought
the Steelers were a little crazy for taking him at thirty,
but then doing a little more research on him. He
was a tight end early on in college and didn't
play was always injured, and then when they asked him
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to go to defensive end, he was also injured. So
he didn't start playing the position till twenty sixteen, when
he wasn't very good or productive. And then his last
year there, or it might have been fifteen and sixteen,
whatever his last year at Wisconsin was. He was productive,
but like from an NFL trade standpoint, what I was
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being told is like he did was not as explosive.
He definitely was not the motor like him and Crosby,
their batteries never run out. And sometimes you're a late
bloomer and this guy just hadn't really played the position.
So you make And this is where in the draft
everyone's like, these guys are idiots. How do you miss this?
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It is hard. It is hard because you could crush
the Cowboys for not taking him at twenty eight. Teams
twenty seven and above easily passed on this guy. So
I think sometimes when guys get to the NFL, just
like human beings, you may know a guy that you
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went to college with and go, wait, what's he doing now?
Oh yeah, he's a multimillionaire. Wait that guy, the dude
that never did shit, slept all day, smoked weed and
partied all the time, probably should have failed out of
class like seven times. Like yeah, kind of clicked. And
sometimes as an athlete, now clearly you have to have
certain physical attributes, but you get with the right coach,
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you get in the right scheme, maybe you grow into
your body a little bit more and in his you know,
using TJ as an example, like he hadn't been playing
It's not like he was a lifetime pass rusher. He
was focused on tight end in college. And this is
not high school where you're like cross training, you're just
playing offense. Clearly, it's the best thing they ever happened
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to him. And it's just something that you know, if
the Cowboys had drafted him, would he be this good?
Who knows? Because he does. He feels like a Steeler,
he really does. And their defense, I mean the pass rush,
the DBS, I mean they were pretty worn down by
the end. But the offense is a problem. It really is.
And Fields is clearly better, Like the version I'm watching
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right now is better than the guy that we saw
with the Bears. But he's still a pretty flawed player.
Like he's not someone that you can just rely on,
Like you watch Dak play quarterback and you watch Fields
play quarterback, Like there is a large, large, fucking gap
in terms of playing pocket quarterback. Now Field's movement ability.
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He's actually a pretty good thrower on the run. He
made some big plays to night, scrambling to his right
outside the tackle, throwing back across the body, does have
a good arm, he does feel a little more under
control when he's doing that with Pittsburgh than he did
in Chicago. But it is pretty difficult to play like
that as offensive players. I mean through for one hundred
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and thirty eight yards tonight, their offense in general, I
mean they ran for ninety two and through for a
and through for one hundred and forty because fields had
to come out on the one play where he got throttled,
which I got news for you, is not a personal foul.
It's just called a hard hit. The guy's helmet didn't
touch him. He just hit him in the chest last
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time I checked. That's called football. I think sometimes we're
throwing some of these penalties, like fields just running around recklessly.
I used to complain about this with Gardner Minshew last
year in Indy when they would get personal foul calls
on bad throws because guys would get lit up on
a hospital ball, like you should not get bailed out
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and force the opponent to get penalized because you do
stupid stuff because you are playing poorly. It's ridiculous. It
really drives me nuts. Tonight ninety one, when he had fields,
it's like, well, the crown of the helmet right up
to his chin. No, there was a gap, never touched
just because it looked that way. Just because it looked
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that way, well, if it actually wasn't that way, then
it should be a penalty. Just be a hard hit.
There are going to be violent hits in football, not
every and I'm all for ultimately protecting quarterbacks. We don't
want quarterbacks to get injured. But the sill is football,
and when you get guys run around like fields, who's
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just a run around guy every time he gets tackled
or hit hard, and even if he gets elevated and
flies to the ground like, it's not automatically a penalty.
I thought that was egregious tonight. I really did. That
penalty was ridiculous. Well, he launched, He's playing football. You
have to use your hips into a guy. You don't
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tackle a guy on the balls of your feet. So
it's just he didn't. He just he accelerated through. It's
like basic tackling. They teach you in pee wee football,
if that even still exists, definitely teach you in high
school and college. So I just Pittsburgh's going to be
tough because of those pass rushers and the defense and
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just kind of their toughness, but that their offense. I
mean that they have been playing in these games that
if you get if they were to get into a
position where you're playing Baltimore or Cincinnati and those deep offenses,
they're not even looking exactly like today. But if just
are going to score twenty five to twenty eight points, like,
how's Pittsburgh gonna win those games? How are they going
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to win those games? Like it's just it just feels very,
very difficult for them to move the ball. And it's
not like, well, they only had so many possessions tonight,
he gave them three extra possessions, three extra possessions. They
scored seventeen points and one touchdown. Right, the last touchdown
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for the Steelers in the fourth quarter came on essentially,
I guess there was one true last drive with like
twenty seconds, but if you remove that, the Steeler scored
and then Dak let him on a touchdown drive. So
one of their touchdowns came with like, I don't know,
five minutes left to go in the game. I mean,
so they had ten points with whatever five minutes to
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go in the game. That's not good. Yeah, they had,
So they had when Dak throws the pick and then
feels leads him on a touchdown drive. They had ten
points with yeah, about four to fifty six. So the
five minute mark the Steelers had ten ten points on
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the board. Just not gonna get it done, but fun
game delayed, crazy moment, nice win for McCarthy. Let's do
a little quick rated, underrated, It's got some takes I
want I want to throw out there because God, I
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just there's just I just watched so much football today.
I think this has to be a record, because I
told Coward this. I usually I ain't waking up at
six point thirty for most of these London games. And
for the most part, it's like Jacksonville Houston, not the
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pre cj surround last year was like Indie Gardner Minshew
against the Patriots games that, for the most part, unless
you're a fan of that team, no one's really paying
attention to. Terrible games are not leading any of the
things that I do and can easily not be discussed.
But today it's like, well, that's the Jets. And if
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Aaron Rodgers didn't exist, or he was still in the
Packers of Zach Wilson, it obviously wouldn't matter as much,
but was like, I currently gotta watch these Aaron Rodgers games.
And I enjoy watching Aaron Rodd because I think there's
such a story there. So I had a pretty long
day of getting after it. Let's just say on Saturday
we had a few and then we had a few more,
and I think I've slept about got after a pretty
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good Friday too. I you know, sometimes you just got
to put on your on your booze and shoes and
do a little throwback to your early twenties even though
you're you know, approaching aka forty now. So you just
got a rock and roll in about six seven hours
sleep and you just watch football. So it's no one's
gonna feel bad that I watch football for a living.
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No one does. I'm not asking for any sympathy, but god,
those six thirty games. That's that's My only issue with
the London game is the kickoff. Okay, let's let's start
with the overrated. I think last year and I felt
strongly about this, that defense that Baltimore brought to the
table was pretty incredible. You could not run on them.
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Their linebacking play was unreal, their coordinator was awesome, and
it was gonna be hard to sustain that level of play,
and then today somehow they won a game in overtime
when the Bengals scored thirty eight points in regulation and
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Joe Burrow threw five touchdowns and Jamar Chase had a
couple of touchdowns where it's like, are you guys gonna
even attempt to tackle this guy? So when we go
to underrated, a lot of people clearly know where I
stand on the Josh Lamar debate. You guys know who
my horse is in the race. That's Josh Allen. Today
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is not the day to bring that up if you're me,
because I'm gonna lose that argument every day of the week.
Josh Allen played one of the worst games I've ever
seen him play, and Lamar was absolutely jaw dropping there.
I was thinking this today watching him play because I
don't think the Ravens defense can quite carry them like
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they did last year. Because Lamar, while he won the MVP,
it was an awful MVP season. He's to me his
numbers this year I bet will end up looking better
than last year's. His numbers. His original MVP year blew
last year's out of the water, So it was more
that he was on the best team. He's the quarterback.
He had a good year and there just weren't many
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other options. But the guy that you saw to day,
like if he if he's forced to do that because
his defense is just given up touchdown after a touchdown.
There are only so many guys in the history of
the league that can play like that. You The thing
I give him a lot of credit for is he's
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gotten so much better. And this happened, you know, three
or four years ago, but he improved really really quickly
from within the pocket and as a runner. He is
so calm when he scrambles around and he does this
like Michael Jackson backpedal like a moonwalk. But he's really
good at like it's all it's not quite a stiff arm,
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but he kind of puts you know, if you're around
your dog and it kind of puts its paw on
you when you're laying next to him. It's kind of
saying hi, but it's also kind of like just keeping
you at bay. That's kind of what Lamar does is
he just kind of puts his arm out there. Today
he had a sweet stiff arm, but his eyes are
up and he's scrambling back and he's making pass. He
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had a touchdown pass doing that move today. That was
just like, are you fucking serious? And they had no
choice but for him to throw all these touchdowns and
run around and make a bunch of plays. Same with
Derrick Henry because their defense was that bad and they're lucky.
You know, the Bengals defense is pretty bad too, but
that game was That game was wildly entertaining. So another
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thing that is obviously really really overrated this is San
Franco forty nine Ers. Right now, there's a bad football team.
They're not like the Patriots or the Miami Dolphins. I'm
not saying they're gonna be drafting third overall, but as
of today, October sixth, at ten twenty five pm at night,
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the forty nine ers are just not good. And we
could argue, like what they were gonna be this year?
Are they like a thirteen fourteen win team or they
a ten to eleven win team. I think we all
agree they're a playoff team. They have lost two divisional games,
one to a team. And I got a lot of
respect for what Sean McVay is doing. He's out there
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playing offense with me you and three other people in
Stafford and they're just being competitive and hanging around in
a game. If you gave Zach Taylor or something, Robert
Sala or some of these other coaches around the league
Sean mcvay's roster that he's rolling out every single week,
they would be getting destroyed. There would have already been
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like a forty eight to ten one thousand percent. But
you just watch him, like, how's he doing this? Now?
He's losing these games, but for him him just to
be competitive. And they were down ten against the forty
nine Ers, came storm back and won the game. Today
Arizona is down. What's score it was twenty to twenty
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three to ten. I mean, the Niners are in complete
control at the end of the first half, in the
beginning of the second half, and then it just kind
of keeps going. The Niners zone of their kicker. Their
red zone offense is atrocious. I mean, they were one
for six today, but it honestly didn't even feel like
they had that many good looks and you'd be like, wow,
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they're missing Christian McCaffrey. He's been gone. They still got
Brandon Ayuk, they got Deebo Samuel, they got George Kittle,
they got Juwan Jennings. Jordan Mason coming into the coming
into this week is like leading the league in rushing.
He can also catch, obviously, Christian McCaffrey would help. But
give me a fucking break. You go into the red
zone six times with those weapons, with the checks you're
cutting for these cats, we need a couple more touchdowns.
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I mean one of the big forty nine ers touchdowns
was literally they blocked a field goal and Leonor the
dB picked it up and took it to the house.
So it's like their offensive scoring. Bosa got an interception today,
and I get it. Your your kicker gets injured. It
throws you off, like that's a legitimate excuse on a
given drive, but over the course of a game, like
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I'm sorry. You're playing one of the worst defenses in
the league, the Arizona Cardinals. Their defense is not good,
no pass rush, they can't cover. Everyone that's playing them
is lighting them up except Sean McVay, who's playing with nobody.
And you can't like score touchdowns in the second half
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of a game at home when you're leading and put
them away. That's an awful loss. That's really really embarrassing
for Kyle and Purdy's one thing Perdy does is the
game ended on an interception where clearly they're running some
deeper breaking routes and he's kind of hit tapping the ball,
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but George Kittle's open, probably I don't know, twenty feet
away from him that I don't know if it would
have been a lock first down, but it would have
gained serious yardage. And he's trying to hit the big play.
He's trying to hit the big play and sometimes and
it's a skill and it works through his advantage that
he makes a bunch of plays with his legs right
and Keith plays alive and then throws. But today he
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also did some of that and then got destroyed and
got a sack. You know who does that all the
time now is Deshaun Watson. Now I'm not comparing party
to Shawn Watson, but I think we got to strike
a little balance of like, can we run the offense,
can you get rid of the football, Because even Tom
Brady was like, yeah, sometimes you gotta get rid of
the ball. I'd say Tom knows a thing or two
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about that and keeping plays alive with your legs. How
is Caleb matured in terms of a player these last
couple of weeks. Why is he playing way better now
than he did early on? He's not running around trying
to make plays. Ball snap a couple steps, go to workout,
says to throw it, pull the trigger. If it's not open,
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go to your next option, pull the trigger, or just
kind of throw the ball away. There has to be
some sort of balance because right now the offense and
the timing of the passing game is all out of whack.
I'm not saying it's all party's fault, but like his
rhythm and like unwillingness to let it rip. Now, obviously
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sometimes guys are gonna be covered, so I'm not acting
like you just let it rip if a guy's not open.
But the run around thing is becoming a little today
it gave me vibe. Obviously it works sometimes. Today it
started giving me vibes of the Russell Wilson that Pete
Carroll and John Schneider and his offensive life there. He's
kind of driving him nuts. It's like, we gotta find
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some middle ground here of doing three six season shit
in the pocket and run around and just pulling the
trigger and making a pass, so goodwin for for Arizona. Obviously.
Who I would say underrated as an athlete is Kyler Murray,
who is just me and Colin talked about today. I mean,
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he's got to be one of the greatest pound for
pound athletes in the history of the NFL. You know,
to be that good and that potent and listen, like
he wouldn't be I'd pick there'd be a bunch of
quarterbacks in the NFL if you just gave me a
draft from scratch that I'd want over him. But I
wouldn't love playing him one and two. Like I've never
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argued like his physical attributes and when he's on in
a game are just pretty special. He had a fifty
yard touchdown run. He made an incredible like backpedal fourth
down to pick up a big first down to Marvin
Harrison when a dude was coming. I mean most people
that they would the defender would have caught, but Kyler
so quick and he bought himself like an extra second
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and made this great little lollipop throw. That's the thing.
He's not just like a power guy. Even though he's
got a strong arm, he's got touch, he's pretty accurate,
he does need to move out of the pocket because
he struggles to see, but just a special player to watch.
If I still played video games, I would play with
the Cardinals a lot overrated. Listen, we mentioned this with Lamar,
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who if you're a Lamar guy over Josh Allen guy,
you're feeling pretty good about yourself right now because he
kicks his ass last week. This week, Josh played a
game that, for his standards, is just an embarrassment. I mean,
it just is. You know, I bet he feels awful.
I haven't seen any of his postgame quotes, but like,
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if that's not saying like this one of the worst
games I've ever played, then you know, I don't know
what the hell is going on there. It was a
tough watch. He looked all out of whack, He looked
all out of sorts, and obviously the way the game
ended with them trying to force the pass instead of
just running the ball and play to overtime. Colin and
I talked to him this and McDermott in the strategy Listen. Clearly,
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if they could do it over again, they would have
changed their strategy. I think anyone that watched that game, though,
would agree the Bills are one hundred percent no lock
to win that game in overtime. Honestly, if you told
me they went to overtime, I would give it less
than a fifty to fifty shot they would win. The
way they were playing, they just were not playing well
(33:24):
and it kind of started with a quarterback who was inaccurate.
Now he had some balls dropped. It's not like it's
not quite as bad as his numbers. I think he
was nine to thirty, but relative to his standards, who's
clearly one of the best players in the league. It
was a tough watch, it really was. And it also
shows you, you know, the Texans had a bunch of injuries.
Neil Collins goes out early, they lose Jimmy Ward through
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the game. They're already missing their running back. It's like
they were beat up, like they were there to be had.
CJ's throwing. He threw a pick in the fourth quarter.
There was a bad pick. He fumbled, and the Bill
like the good Bills teams, the one that finished hot
last year, the team we saw the first couple weeks,
they win that game. This version, whatever the hell we've
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seen the last two weeks, they don't I was thinking
about this today. This is pretty underrated. You know, we
get a lot of people that hit me up, they go,
can I leave my team I'm a fan of we
suck so bad, and it's like Patriot fans. I think
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we all universally agree, like now, you don't get to
do that, especially if you're my age or older. It's
like you've lived a pretty good life if you're like
a thirty three year old fan, Like the last twenty
years since you were whatever, thirteen years old, has been
as good as it gets. So you don't get to leave. Now.
If you came up to me and said, you know,
born and raised Northern California, and my dad my grandpa,
(34:52):
so I became a Raider fan, I'd be like, bro,
if you left, nobody, nobody wouldever s a thing to you.
Everyone that falls sports would understand. Charles Woodson said today
on TV, why can't we have nice things? I don't know,
I really don't. It feels like the franchise is cursed. Obviously,
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the Broncos beat the living hell out of him. But
I'm watching the Packers today and at no point in
that game that I ever think they were gonna lose
like it was just one of those games where it's
like Packers are one hundred scent winning this game, and
that's what happened. And the final score was actually a
little closer because Jordan Love had one of the worst
safety pick six touchdown things you'll ever see. But if
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he just takes a safety, it's twenty four to fifteen,
not twenty four to nineteen. But regardless, think how underrated
it is being a Packer fan. You just got rid
of Aaron Rodgers, who was literally better than Brett Farv.
See Brett Favre left, you traded him. However, that thing
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play out the retirement forever, and you had Rogers on
the roster and you make the transition and it turns
out that that guy was even better than Brett Fahr,
who many people consider one of the great players of
all time. Dude won three straight MVPs. And then you
upgrade it. Now, Jordan Love's got a long way to go,
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and I mean a long way to go before we
ever put him in the breath of those two guys.
Though He's had like little stretches where you can see it,
and he had a throw today, a deep bomb early
in the game, that looked like when it was in
the air, it's like he's just throwing this ball into
triple coverage that's gonna be picked easily. All of a
sudden it hits his guy in stride. But here's what
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I know. The Packers are just good. And you know what,
I don't know. Might not win thirteen twelve games, but
they're winning ten or eleven every single year. Every once
in a while you have one of these bizarre years
like the year McCarthy got fired, or even Rogers last
year guys were like nine to seven. But it's like,
you're just good. You're always good. Think how underrated it
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is being a Packer fan. It's like fifty five years old,
since the guy was in his teens. It's like, yeah,
we've just been winning. And the way you get quarterbacks.
You traded a second round pick for Brett Farvu's on
the Atlanta Falcons, you take Aaron Rodgers at the end
of the first round. Obviously, Jordan Love is a complete project,
and it just you just figure it out. And even
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sometimes I watch the team, I was like, ah, could
they be a little bit better on defense? Yeah, like
do they when's the last time it felt like, you know,
they had a TJ. Watt Nick Bosa's probably since Klay
Matthews and it doesn't really matter. They just they just
figure it out. Hell, they're starting quarterback, looks like he
has a serious knee injury. Week one, they have to
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start Malik Willis and then they just rattle off a
couple of victories. He's like, yeah, we'll just figure it out.
Think about being a Raider fan and being a Packer
fan too, like historic brands in the NFL. One team
he's like, yeah, well figured out, we'll probably have a
sweet quarterback and we'll be in the playoffs. The other
team's like, yeah, well, probably about seven crazy ass stories,
trade three players and just suck. But we won't actually
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get the number one pick or even the number two pick.
We'll draft like ninth and probably miss on the pick.
So just the cycle never ends. It's just crazy how
it plays out that way. A couple more overrated taking
a quarterback in the top five of the draft. Just
sign Joe Flacco. Joe Flaco today had a twenty one
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year old yard run through multiple just gorgeous touchdowns. I mean,
he has to have one of the best looking balls
in the air and again two years ago he was
on the couch taking his kids to junior high or
elementary school. I guess probably not junior high, but you know, preschool.
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You name it, like thinking my career is over. Last year,
leads the Browns to the playoffs. They we won't touch
him because they don't want to offend one of the
worst players not in the league. We've ever seen the
version of Deshaun Watson right now. I've seen some advanced
stats floating around, like on Twitter, the eye test. We've
all been watching football for a long time. That is
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one of the worst players, like this version of what
we're watching we've ever seen. They didn't even call Joe
Flacco because they didn't want to offend the guy. Then
he goes to Indy and obviously they're gonna roll in
with Anthony Rigson. Like objectively speaking, I don't obviously the
numbers are gonna be on Flacco side, But like I test,
you name it, you could. You know. The coaches will
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never go on record, but if you knew them personally,
they're way better with Joe Flacco. But today, the reason
they lost today wasn't Joe Flacco's fault. It was a
fucking defense is atrocious, and it can make even Trevor Lawrence,
who I'm watching the games, like, I'd rather have Joe
Flacco than Trevor Lawrence. Obviously not for like the next
ten years, because Joe Flaco is thirty nine years old,
So if I was gonna take a chance, you'd take
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the younger player. But in a one game situation or
the rest of this season, like Joe Flactor was just better,
uh overrated. I gotta take the l on this. A
lot of you guys have been firing into my dms
about like, you can't you talk so much about this guy?
You never shut up where you at. John. I've sang
Kalin Dubors praises, I've sung them from the high heavens.
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I believed when not many people did. And then he
beat Georgia and I felt pretty good and I gloated
pretty hard. And then he lost to Vanderbilt. Now you
can go glass half full on this twelve team playoff.
Lost to Vanderbilt doesn't kill him, honestly, doesn't even phase him.
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Like he still can have another loss. He's in the playoffs.
But you can't lose to Vanderbilt. You're allowed to come
out playing crappy. We have stucky on He's like, take
Vanderbilt in the points, but you gotta find a way
to come back to win. Like if Nick Saban's the coach,
there is no way he loses that game. It might
be weird. He might be down in half, but when
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the dust settles and the clock goes to zero, no
one's rushing the field. In Alabama's won the game and
he didn't that one. That's stunning. But college football now
there's a lot more parody. I'm not trying to bail
Dubor out. That's just that can't happen. His defense is
getting smoked. And if you want to, if you want
(41:26):
me to do some pushback on to Boor, It's like
he's an offensive guy. Offense is a baby. It's never
been an issue wherever he goes. But defense was an
issue at Washington and clearly was an issue late in
the game against Georgia, and now is an issue against Vanderbilt.
Who was just every time I looked up I was
in the DraftKings sports book. Guys are just wide open,
(41:49):
just running for you know, explosive plays. Underrated. I do
think a little bit like the packers. If you're a
college football fan and you're an Alabama fan, like your
life has been so good, Like it's unheard of to
have this happen. It basically happens to everybody else, Like
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everybody else, maybe notwithstanding Ohio State, but like Notre Dame
two years ago. Hell, this year they lost in Northern Illinois, Texas,
go look at their record two years ago when Sarka
was going like five and seven. People lose awful games.
It happens, but it just never happened to Nick Saban.
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You'd have to go back and people are gonna bring
it up that Louisiana and Roe game, like that's a
long time ago, twenty twenty four, and that was his
first year. Like he took over a shitty program. Dubar
took over a sweet program. So it also be pretty underrated.
If you were at the game for Vanderbilt, it'd be
one of those things that you will tell that story
(42:57):
of the rest of your life. If you're a student
and you went to that game probably expecting just to
get drunk, have a good time and watch your team
get annihilated and then they win, Like there had to
be a moment in the stands. I Yeah, this fun,
this is cool. It's fun to like third quarter people
start looking around like could we really do? Are we
gonna be part of history here? And then the answer
(43:20):
is yes. Okay. Last couple of things overrated. I think sleep.
I think one thing now with the conference realignment, game
day went to Cal which I wanted to watch, so
I got up early on Saturday morning. That game did
not start till eight o'clock at night, essentially Pacific Standard
(43:45):
time col versus Miami. I mean I was watching that
game well into like eleven thirty last night. And I
think these television networks absolutely love this realignment and getting
these matchups super late. It's one thing to have Washington
State play Cow. It's another thing to be able to
throw a Miami eventually in Ohio State or Michigan or
(44:08):
just a random big team from across the country. So
if you like sleep and you like college football slash
the NFL, they do not really go hand in hand
right now, because you get so many of these games
that you got to pay attention to late into Saturday night.
And now the NFL is playing all these London games
that kick off at six point thirty, and I would
(44:30):
say underrated. How much you take for granted when you're
young and you can just drink, wake up, work out, eat, drink,
do it over again, do it over again, and your
body is just pull a proof. The older you get,
you feel like, how am I going to do this now? Luckily,
(44:52):
some of us are a little mentally tougher than others,
so you just tell yourself, we don't have a choice.
But I think when you're young, you don't even realize
how good you have it in terms of hangovers, in
terms of energy after boozing. I'm just talking about day boozing.
I'm not even talking about like I ain't going to
the club. You know, I'm bed by eleven thirty at night.
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But you just your boy just doesn't have it anymore.
I really don't. I just I can't. I don't rebound
like I used to. I used to just wake up
and be good. Those days feel like a long, long
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How are we doing? How are we doing? My people?
What a moment for McCarthy who goes into his hometown
with his sixty million dollar quarterback, gets the ball, He's down?
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What was he been down? He was down four points
with five minutes to go, and Dak Prescots leads him
on a fifteen play drive wins the game on fourth down.
What a moment for the Cowboys. What a moment for
McCarthy and Dak even Jerry, who Steven went in for
the hug and it looked like Jerry might have a
heart attack or something. Rough night for Pittsburgh. I'm sorry.
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You get that many, create that many turnovers, TJ Watts
dominating at that level, you gotta win that game. So
we will dive into that. We'll do a little overrated
Underrated on just some things that happened today and yesterday
that I want to touch on, because a lot of
crazy stuff happened. I mean, Alabama lost to Vanderbilt, so
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and obviously some other crazy stuff. I mean, the forty
nine ers lost to the Arizona Cardinals, and Daniel Jones
kind of looked really good on the road in Seattle.
So the Bengals are one and four and they went
to overtime in a game where they scored thirty eight
points in regulation. How often does that happen? Can't be often,
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Not in the NFL, not in the AFC North. So
we'll do a little Overrated Underrated. We'll have a podcast
obviously all week long. We'll have one tomorrow React in
the Monday night game, which a pretty good game. The
Chiefs Saints pretty excited for that one. See my guy
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chief rivalry. Dennis Aunt actually coach Raiders too, so that'll
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watch the Cowboys. Dak is one of the more bizarre
players I think I've ever watched, because no guy can
(05:29):
throw worst picks right. He does that consistently, He's done
it in big moments, and then no guy can lead
his team on the road undermanned. They got no running game.
He's got offensive line injuries. Hell, the best offensive lineman
he's probably ever played with or one of them. Has
literally never got a cramp in his entire life, starts
(05:50):
getting attacked with cramps, leads him fifteen plays, seventy yards
touchdown on fourth down. The same guy that threw an
awful red zone pick. His interception later in the game
on the deep ball to Joey Porter Junior wasn't even close.
Like in a vacuum. He can have these plays. You're like,
(06:11):
is that Deshaun Watson? And then he can lead a drive,
You're like, is that Patrick Mahomes. That's where I think
it's so maddening, right, It's like, listen, there's value in
everything he's done and what he brings to the Cowboys
character wise, intangible wise. His regular season record speaks for itself.
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Him and the head coach have clearly a fantastic relationship, right,
Mike's Pittsburgh guy. They show it on the broadcast that
they went. I don't know if it's like his the
home he grew up in. Just go see family and
who's there two guys Cooper Rush and Dak Prescott. I
guess Trey Lance not on that group text. But there's
(06:55):
so much that he brings to the table. And then
there are moments like I went to dinner, we got delayed.
I was hungry. I was like, yeah, let's just go
out to dinner. The game's not even starting to like seven,
so I basically watched the first half at a steakhouse
and it's on mute, right, so you're just watching it
on the TV. In the background. You see Guiden go out,
you see a defensive lineman go out. You're like, they're
(07:16):
coming in undermanned. They got no shot to win this game. None.
It's like they're defenses and shambles. And then we'll get
into the Steelers here in a minute, you realize, like
Pittsburgh doesn't have the offense to take advantage. I don't
care who's out there playing defense for the Cowboys, but
Mike and Dak, like it's not really arguable at this point,
(07:36):
have a pretty good chemistry rapport and thing going now,
Like I don't blame some of these picks on the
coaching staff, Like Dak, there's a there's a fucking defender
right there who's gonna easily undercut it, and he throws
it right to him, and he has a tendency of
throwing for a good player consistently, some of the worst
(07:59):
interceptions and he got very, very lucky that they were
playing an offense that had they give you two pit
interceptions and a fumble and you can't win the game
at home like that. That's unacceptable, but they couldn't, and
they had the opportunity at the end of the game
get the ball back and Dak leads him down the field.
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And tonight, I mean, you saw some semblance of a
running game that Dwaddle guy was was running pretty hard.
But I wouldn't exactly call the Cowboys, you know, the
ninety three version with with em At Smith running behind
one of the great offensive lines in the history of
the league. So they're very dependent on him. They really
just got one wide receiver. Cooks is out I like Ferguson,
(08:44):
but like that they're not. You know, Michael Irvins isn't
out there with CD and he can just like his rhythm,
his poise, how confident he is when he feels like
he knows where he's gonna go with the ball and
it and the playworks, because sometimes I think he gets
stuck on a route and listen to a lot of quarterbacks.
(09:06):
He's not alone. But I think one thing that makes
like the Brady's and the Peyton's and not this version
of Aaron, but like Aaron in his heyday is obviously
they know where they want to go with the football,
but if they see something that freaks them out, they
will turn to someone else in a millisecond and get
rid of that ball. I think sometimes Dak has like
(09:27):
basically got to the line and he already knows where
he's going with that ball, regardless of what you're doing.
He's pretty confident it's going to work. And then sometimes
there's just a dB sitting right there and Dak hits
him in the hands. But I like, I have moments
where you're watching him on that final drive and I've
come along, I've come around on Dak like I'm a fan.
(09:48):
But that was really impressive. That was fun to watch.
I was in a weird way. I didn't have money
on this game. I don't really care about either one
of these teams in the sense of like rooting for
one to lose or one to win. I did think
it would be a pretty coo moment if Dak let
him on a game winning drive for Mike and obviously
the cameras immediately when he throws a touchdown, go to
McCarthy and he's getting bar hugged by like seven different
(10:09):
guys like Dak's dumman. He knows what it means for
us for the head coach to do that in Pittsburgh.
Then you got Mike Tomlin calling a time out at
you know, on the fourth down. It's like, bro, you
if they score here, you're gonna need that time out.
You probably want to keep that thing in your back pocket.
But yeah, man, that was that was a big, big
time drive for a team with a million injuries, that
(10:31):
has so much money in street clothes right now, and
their quarterback just just came through and their coach, and
like I said, you can't really debate where we sit now,
like this marriage between those two guys. If the most
important guy you have on your team is the guy
you're paying the most money by a country mile, Dak Prescott,
(10:54):
and that guy works hand in hand with your head
coach who's also your offensive play caller, and they work
well together, you're gonna fire that guy. That's where I
keep getting back to, like the Sirianni thing. We always
get back to, what does Cirianni do Sala It's like, well,
he's the defensive guy, tough guy, okay, but he's not
actually calling the defense. This year, Brian Dabele, Daniel Jones
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is playing well, It's like, what's what's Brian Dabele doing. Oh,
he's calling the place. He is the offensive coordinator. And
if you would have told me a couple of years ago, Hey, Mike,
they're gonna you know, force kelling out. He's gonna take over,
how would it go? Obviously I wouldn't say it's gonna
be terrible. It's not like Mike's ntt Hackett. But I
(11:39):
probably would have said in twenty twenty four or twenty
three and twenty four you would have said, what the
next year and a half is gonna look like? Yeah,
probably could be a little rocky, and it's it's been
really good and they've come through in big time moments.
So props the Cowboys forgetting a gritty win. To me,
when you look at the Steelers, what it's funny because
(12:00):
whenever these two teams they don't play that often, but
when they're synonymous with this TJ. Watt draft pick, because
the Cowboys took Taco Charlton, who's like out of the
league like three or four years later over TJ Watt
they drafted and he's a defensive end at twenty eight
and TJ goes thirty. And I just texted like people
(12:21):
that a couple executives at night after TJ looks like,
I don't know, like the white guy version of Lawrence Taylor.
It's like this guy, this guy's fucking unblock. What are
you supposed to do? Tight ends gets tossed, tackles have
no chance. It's not like he's just speed. He's got power.
He's got these like counter under moves, and if you
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don't set really really fast, he's on the edge so
quick that you're screwed. It's like this guy doesn't even
His brother, to me, was obviously pretty special Hall of
Fame level talent, but power was such a big part
of this JJ's game. TJ has like the ultimate combo.
I'm not saying he's JJ or Khalil Mack power wise,
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but his speed is so potent that these offensive linemen
always feel kind of on their heels and then he
can throttle them and it's just chaos. Whatever ninety is.
So I'm texting my scouting buddies and I go, how
what was the deal here, and they're like, honestly, he
just wasn't that good in college, and I think this
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is why the draft is so hard. Then I did
a little my own research Wikipedia and looked around on
the internet. He basically was a one year wonder in college,
and his senior year might have been as true. You know,
recherd junior year, I'm not exactly sure how it lined up.
He had eleven and a half sacks, so he had
a good year, but as multiple people text me, he
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looked nothing like this, and this is why it's like, well,
if we could redo the draft, he would go on.
I think there were a lot of people that thought
the Steelers were a little crazy for taking him at thirty,
but then doing a little more research on him. He
was a tight end early on in college and didn't
play was always injured, and then when they asked him
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to go to defensive end, he was also injured. So
he didn't start playing the position till twenty sixteen, when
he wasn't very good or productive. And then his last
year there, or it might have been fifteen and sixteen,
whatever his last year at Wisconsin was. He was productive,
but like from an NFL trade standpoint, what I was
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being told is like he did was not as explosive.
He definitely was not the motor like him and Crosby,
their batteries never run out. And sometimes you're a late
bloomer and this guy just hadn't really played the position.
So you make And this is where in the draft
everyone's like, these guys are idiots. How do you miss this?
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It is hard. It is hard because you could crush
the Cowboys for not taking him at twenty eight. Teams
twenty seven and above easily passed on this guy. So
I think sometimes when guys get to the NFL, just
like human beings, you may know a guy that you
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went to college with and go, wait, what's he doing now?
Oh yeah, he's a multimillionaire. Wait that guy, the dude
that never did shit, slept all day, smoked weed and
partied all the time, probably should have failed out of
class like seven times. Like yeah, kind of clicked. And
sometimes as an athlete, now clearly you have to have
certain physical attributes, but you get with the right coach,
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you get in the right scheme, maybe you grow into
your body a little bit more and in his you know,
using TJ as an example, like he hadn't been playing
It's not like he was a lifetime pass rusher. He
was focused on tight end in college. And this is
not high school where you're like cross training, you're just
playing offense. Clearly, it's the best thing they ever happened
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to him. And it's just something that you know, if
the Cowboys had drafted him, would he be this good?
Who knows? Because he does. He feels like a Steeler,
he really does. And their defense, I mean the pass rush,
the DBS, I mean they were pretty worn down by
the end. But the offense is a problem. It really is.
And Fields is clearly better, Like the version I'm watching
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right now is better than the guy that we saw
with the Bears. But he's still a pretty flawed player.
Like he's not someone that you can just rely on,
Like you watch Dak play quarterback and you watch Fields
play quarterback, Like there is a large, large, fucking gap
in terms of playing pocket quarterback. Now Field's movement ability.
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He's actually a pretty good thrower on the run. He
made some big plays to night, scrambling to his right
outside the tackle, throwing back across the body, does have
a good arm, he does feel a little more under
control when he's doing that with Pittsburgh than he did
in Chicago. But it is pretty difficult to play like
that as offensive players. I mean through for one hundred
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and thirty eight yards tonight, their offense in general, I
mean they ran for ninety two and through for a
and through for one hundred and forty because fields had
to come out on the one play where he got throttled,
which I got news for you, is not a personal foul.
It's just called a hard hit. The guy's helmet didn't
touch him. He just hit him in the chest last
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time I checked. That's called football. I think sometimes we're
throwing some of these penalties, like fields just running around recklessly.
I used to complain about this with Gardner Minshew last
year in Indy when they would get personal foul calls
on bad throws because guys would get lit up on
a hospital ball, like you should not get bailed out
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and force the opponent to get penalized because you do
stupid stuff because you are playing poorly. It's ridiculous. It
really drives me nuts. Tonight ninety one, when he had fields,
it's like, well, the crown of the helmet right up
to his chin. No, there was a gap, never touched
just because it looked that way. Just because it looked
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that way, well, if it actually wasn't that way, then
it should be a penalty. Just be a hard hit.
There are going to be violent hits in football, not
every and I'm all for ultimately protecting quarterbacks. We don't
want quarterbacks to get injured. But the sill is football,
and when you get guys run around like fields, who's
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just a run around guy every time he gets tackled
or hit hard, and even if he gets elevated and
flies to the ground like, it's not automatically a penalty.
I thought that was egregious tonight. I really did. That
penalty was ridiculous. Well, he launched, He's playing football. You
have to use your hips into a guy. You don't
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tackle a guy on the balls of your feet. So
it's just he didn't. He just he accelerated through. It's
like basic tackling. They teach you in pee wee football,
if that even still exists, definitely teach you in high
school and college. So I just Pittsburgh's going to be
tough because of those pass rushers and the defense and
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just kind of their toughness, but that their offense. I
mean that they have been playing in these games that
if you get if they were to get into a
position where you're playing Baltimore or Cincinnati and those deep offenses,
they're not even looking exactly like today. But if just
are going to score twenty five to twenty eight points, like,
how's Pittsburgh gonna win those games? How are they going
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to win those games? Like it's just it just feels very,
very difficult for them to move the ball. And it's
not like, well, they only had so many possessions tonight,
he gave them three extra possessions, three extra possessions. They
scored seventeen points and one touchdown. Right, the last touchdown
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for the Steelers in the fourth quarter came on essentially,
I guess there was one true last drive with like
twenty seconds, but if you remove that, the Steeler scored
and then Dak let him on a touchdown drive. So
one of their touchdowns came with like, I don't know,
five minutes left to go in the game. I mean,
so they had ten points with whatever five minutes to
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go in the game. That's not good. Yeah, they had,
So they had when Dak throws the pick and then
feels leads him on a touchdown drive. They had ten
points with yeah, about four to fifty six. So the
five minute mark the Steelers had ten ten points on
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the board. Just not gonna get it done, but fun
game delayed, crazy moment, nice win for McCarthy. Let's do
a little quick rated, underrated, It's got some takes I
want I want to throw out there because God, I
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just there's just I just watched so much football today.
I think this has to be a record, because I
told Coward this. I usually I ain't waking up at
six point thirty for most of these London games. And
for the most part, it's like Jacksonville Houston, not the
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pre cj surround last year was like Indie Gardner Minshew
against the Patriots games that, for the most part, unless
you're a fan of that team, no one's really paying
attention to. Terrible games are not leading any of the
things that I do and can easily not be discussed.
But today it's like, well, that's the Jets. And if
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Aaron Rodgers didn't exist, or he was still in the
Packers of Zach Wilson, it obviously wouldn't matter as much,
but was like, I currently gotta watch these Aaron Rodgers games.
And I enjoy watching Aaron Rodd because I think there's
such a story there. So I had a pretty long
day of getting after it. Let's just say on Saturday
we had a few and then we had a few more,
and I think I've slept about got after a pretty
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good Friday too. I you know, sometimes you just got
to put on your on your booze and shoes and
do a little throwback to your early twenties even though
you're you know, approaching aka forty now. So you just
got a rock and roll in about six seven hours
sleep and you just watch football. So it's no one's
gonna feel bad that I watch football for a living.
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No one does. I'm not asking for any sympathy, but god,
those six thirty games. That's that's My only issue with
the London game is the kickoff. Okay, let's let's start
with the overrated. I think last year and I felt
strongly about this, that defense that Baltimore brought to the
table was pretty incredible. You could not run on them.
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Their linebacking play was unreal, their coordinator was awesome, and
it was gonna be hard to sustain that level of play,
and then today somehow they won a game in overtime
when the Bengals scored thirty eight points in regulation and
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Joe Burrow threw five touchdowns and Jamar Chase had a
couple of touchdowns where it's like, are you guys gonna
even attempt to tackle this guy? So when we go
to underrated, a lot of people clearly know where I
stand on the Josh Lamar debate. You guys know who
my horse is in the race. That's Josh Allen. Today
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is not the day to bring that up if you're me,
because I'm gonna lose that argument every day of the week.
Josh Allen played one of the worst games I've ever
seen him play, and Lamar was absolutely jaw dropping there.
I was thinking this today watching him play because I
don't think the Ravens defense can quite carry them like
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they did last year. Because Lamar, while he won the MVP,
it was an awful MVP season. He's to me his
numbers this year I bet will end up looking better
than last year's. His numbers. His original MVP year blew
last year's out of the water, So it was more
that he was on the best team. He's the quarterback.
He had a good year and there just weren't many
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other options. But the guy that you saw to day,
like if he if he's forced to do that because
his defense is just given up touchdown after a touchdown.
There are only so many guys in the history of
the league that can play like that. You The thing
I give him a lot of credit for is he's
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gotten so much better. And this happened, you know, three
or four years ago, but he improved really really quickly
from within the pocket and as a runner. He is
so calm when he scrambles around and he does this
like Michael Jackson backpedal like a moonwalk. But he's really
good at like it's all it's not quite a stiff arm,
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but he kind of puts you know, if you're around
your dog and it kind of puts its paw on
you when you're laying next to him. It's kind of
saying hi, but it's also kind of like just keeping
you at bay. That's kind of what Lamar does is
he just kind of puts his arm out there. Today
he had a sweet stiff arm, but his eyes are
up and he's scrambling back and he's making pass. He
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had a touchdown pass doing that move today. That was
just like, are you fucking serious? And they had no
choice but for him to throw all these touchdowns and
run around and make a bunch of plays. Same with
Derrick Henry because their defense was that bad and they're lucky.
You know, the Bengals defense is pretty bad too, but
that game was That game was wildly entertaining. So another
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thing that is obviously really really overrated this is San
Franco forty nine Ers. Right now, there's a bad football team.
They're not like the Patriots or the Miami Dolphins. I'm
not saying they're gonna be drafting third overall, but as
of today, October sixth, at ten twenty five pm at night,
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the forty nine ers are just not good. And we
could argue, like what they were gonna be this year?
Are they like a thirteen fourteen win team or they
a ten to eleven win team. I think we all
agree they're a playoff team. They have lost two divisional games,
one to a team. And I got a lot of
respect for what Sean McVay is doing. He's out there
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playing offense with me you and three other people in
Stafford and they're just being competitive and hanging around in
a game. If you gave Zach Taylor or something, Robert
Sala or some of these other coaches around the league
Sean mcvay's roster that he's rolling out every single week,
they would be getting destroyed. There would have already been
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like a forty eight to ten one thousand percent. But
you just watch him, like, how's he doing this? Now?
He's losing these games, but for him him just to
be competitive. And they were down ten against the forty
nine Ers, came storm back and won the game. Today
Arizona is down. What's score it was twenty to twenty
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three to ten. I mean, the Niners are in complete
control at the end of the first half, in the
beginning of the second half, and then it just kind
of keeps going. The Niners zone of their kicker. Their
red zone offense is atrocious. I mean, they were one
for six today, but it honestly didn't even feel like
they had that many good looks and you'd be like, wow,
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they're missing Christian McCaffrey. He's been gone. They still got
Brandon Ayuk, they got Deebo Samuel, they got George Kittle,
they got Juwan Jennings. Jordan Mason coming into the coming
into this week is like leading the league in rushing.
He can also catch, obviously, Christian McCaffrey would help. But
give me a fucking break. You go into the red
zone six times with those weapons, with the checks you're
cutting for these cats, we need a couple more touchdowns.
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I mean one of the big forty nine ers touchdowns
was literally they blocked a field goal and Leonor the
dB picked it up and took it to the house.
So it's like their offensive scoring. Bosa got an interception today,
and I get it. Your your kicker gets injured. It
throws you off, like that's a legitimate excuse on a
given drive, but over the course of a game, like
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I'm sorry. You're playing one of the worst defenses in
the league, the Arizona Cardinals. Their defense is not good,
no pass rush, they can't cover. Everyone that's playing them
is lighting them up except Sean McVay, who's playing with nobody.
And you can't like score touchdowns in the second half
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of a game at home when you're leading and put
them away. That's an awful loss. That's really really embarrassing
for Kyle and Purdy's one thing Perdy does is the
game ended on an interception where clearly they're running some
deeper breaking routes and he's kind of hit tapping the ball,
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but George Kittle's open, probably I don't know, twenty feet
away from him that I don't know if it would
have been a lock first down, but it would have
gained serious yardage. And he's trying to hit the big play.
He's trying to hit the big play and sometimes and
it's a skill and it works through his advantage that
he makes a bunch of plays with his legs right
and Keith plays alive and then throws. But today he
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also did some of that and then got destroyed and
got a sack. You know who does that all the
time now is Deshaun Watson. Now I'm not comparing party
to Shawn Watson, but I think we got to strike
a little balance of like, can we run the offense,
can you get rid of the football, Because even Tom
Brady was like, yeah, sometimes you gotta get rid of
the ball. I'd say Tom knows a thing or two
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about that and keeping plays alive with your legs. How
is Caleb matured in terms of a player these last
couple of weeks. Why is he playing way better now
than he did early on? He's not running around trying
to make plays. Ball snap a couple steps, go to workout,
says to throw it, pull the trigger. If it's not open,
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go to your next option, pull the trigger, or just
kind of throw the ball away. There has to be
some sort of balance because right now the offense and
the timing of the passing game is all out of whack.
I'm not saying it's all party's fault, but like his
rhythm and like unwillingness to let it rip. Now, obviously
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sometimes guys are gonna be covered, so I'm not acting
like you just let it rip if a guy's not open.
But the run around thing is becoming a little today
it gave me vibe. Obviously it works sometimes. Today it
started giving me vibes of the Russell Wilson that Pete
Carroll and John Schneider and his offensive life there. He's
kind of driving him nuts. It's like, we gotta find
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some middle ground here of doing three six season shit
in the pocket and run around and just pulling the
trigger and making a pass, so goodwin for for Arizona. Obviously.
Who I would say underrated as an athlete is Kyler Murray,
who is just me and Colin talked about today. I mean,
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he's got to be one of the greatest pound for
pound athletes in the history of the NFL. You know,
to be that good and that potent and listen, like
he wouldn't be I'd pick there'd be a bunch of
quarterbacks in the NFL if you just gave me a
draft from scratch that I'd want over him. But I
wouldn't love playing him one and two. Like I've never
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argued like his physical attributes and when he's on in
a game are just pretty special. He had a fifty
yard touchdown run. He made an incredible like backpedal fourth
down to pick up a big first down to Marvin
Harrison when a dude was coming. I mean most people
that they would the defender would have caught, but Kyler
so quick and he bought himself like an extra second
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and made this great little lollipop throw. That's the thing.
He's not just like a power guy. Even though he's
got a strong arm, he's got touch, he's pretty accurate,
he does need to move out of the pocket because
he struggles to see, but just a special player to watch.
If I still played video games, I would play with
the Cardinals a lot overrated. Listen, we mentioned this with Lamar,
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who if you're a Lamar guy over Josh Allen guy,
you're feeling pretty good about yourself right now because he
kicks his ass last week. This week, Josh played a
game that, for his standards, is just an embarrassment. I mean,
it just is. You know, I bet he feels awful.
I haven't seen any of his postgame quotes, but like,
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if that's not saying like this one of the worst
games I've ever played, then you know, I don't know
what the hell is going on there. It was a
tough watch. He looked all out of whack, He looked
all out of sorts, and obviously the way the game
ended with them trying to force the pass instead of
just running the ball and play to overtime. Colin and
I talked to him this and McDermott in the strategy Listen. Clearly,
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if they could do it over again, they would have
changed their strategy. I think anyone that watched that game, though,
would agree the Bills are one hundred percent no lock
to win that game in overtime. Honestly, if you told
me they went to overtime, I would give it less
than a fifty to fifty shot they would win. The
way they were playing, they just were not playing well
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and it kind of started with a quarterback who was inaccurate.
Now he had some balls dropped. It's not like it's
not quite as bad as his numbers. I think he
was nine to thirty, but relative to his standards, who's
clearly one of the best players in the league. It
was a tough watch, it really was. And it also
shows you, you know, the Texans had a bunch of injuries.
Neil Collins goes out early, they lose Jimmy Ward through
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the game. They're already missing their running back. It's like
they were beat up, like they were there to be had.
CJ's throwing. He threw a pick in the fourth quarter.
There was a bad pick. He fumbled, and the Bill
like the good Bills teams, the one that finished hot
last year, the team we saw the first couple weeks,
they win that game. This version, whatever the hell we've
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seen the last two weeks, they don't I was thinking
about this today. This is pretty underrated. You know, we
get a lot of people that hit me up, they go,
can I leave my team I'm a fan of we
suck so bad, and it's like Patriot fans. I think
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we all universally agree, like now, you don't get to
do that, especially if you're my age or older. It's
like you've lived a pretty good life if you're like
a thirty three year old fan, Like the last twenty
years since you were whatever, thirteen years old, has been
as good as it gets. So you don't get to leave. Now.
If you came up to me and said, you know,
born and raised Northern California, and my dad my grandpa,
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so I became a Raider fan, I'd be like, bro,
if you left, nobody, nobody wouldever s a thing to you.
Everyone that falls sports would understand. Charles Woodson said today
on TV, why can't we have nice things? I don't know,
I really don't. It feels like the franchise is cursed. Obviously,
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the Broncos beat the living hell out of him. But
I'm watching the Packers today and at no point in
that game that I ever think they were gonna lose
like it was just one of those games where it's
like Packers are one hundred scent winning this game, and
that's what happened. And the final score was actually a
little closer because Jordan Love had one of the worst
safety pick six touchdown things you'll ever see. But if
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he just takes a safety, it's twenty four to fifteen,
not twenty four to nineteen. But regardless, think how underrated
it is being a Packer fan. You just got rid
of Aaron Rodgers, who was literally better than Brett Farv.
See Brett Favre left, you traded him. However, that thing
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play out the retirement forever, and you had Rogers on
the roster and you make the transition and it turns
out that that guy was even better than Brett Fahr,
who many people consider one of the great players of
all time. Dude won three straight MVPs. And then you
upgrade it. Now, Jordan Love's got a long way to go,
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and I mean a long way to go before we
ever put him in the breath of those two guys.
Though He's had like little stretches where you can see it,
and he had a throw today, a deep bomb early
in the game, that looked like when it was in
the air, it's like he's just throwing this ball into
triple coverage that's gonna be picked easily. All of a
sudden it hits his guy in stride. But here's what
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I know. The Packers are just good. And you know what,
I don't know. Might not win thirteen twelve games, but
they're winning ten or eleven every single year. Every once
in a while you have one of these bizarre years
like the year McCarthy got fired, or even Rogers last
year guys were like nine to seven. But it's like,
you're just good. You're always good. Think how underrated it
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is being a Packer fan. It's like fifty five years old,
since the guy was in his teens. It's like, yeah,
we've just been winning. And the way you get quarterbacks.
You traded a second round pick for Brett Farvu's on
the Atlanta Falcons, you take Aaron Rodgers at the end
of the first round. Obviously, Jordan Love is a complete project,
and it just you just figure it out. And even
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sometimes I watch the team, I was like, ah, could
they be a little bit better on defense? Yeah, like
do they when's the last time it felt like, you know,
they had a TJ. Watt Nick Bosa's probably since Klay
Matthews and it doesn't really matter. They just they just
figure it out. Hell, they're starting quarterback, looks like he
has a serious knee injury. Week one, they have to
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start Malik Willis and then they just rattle off a
couple of victories. He's like, yeah, we'll just figure it out.
Think about being a Raider fan and being a Packer
fan too, like historic brands in the NFL. One team
he's like, yeah, well figured out, we'll probably have a
sweet quarterback and we'll be in the playoffs. The other
team's like, yeah, well, probably about seven crazy ass stories,
trade three players and just suck. But we won't actually
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get the number one pick or even the number two pick.
We'll draft like ninth and probably miss on the pick.
So just the cycle never ends. It's just crazy how
it plays out that way. A couple more overrated taking
a quarterback in the top five of the draft. Just
sign Joe Flacco. Joe Flaco today had a twenty one
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year old yard run through multiple just gorgeous touchdowns. I mean,
he has to have one of the best looking balls
in the air and again two years ago he was
on the couch taking his kids to junior high or
elementary school. I guess probably not junior high, but you know, preschool.
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You name it, like thinking my career is over. Last year,
leads the Browns to the playoffs. They we won't touch
him because they don't want to offend one of the
worst players not in the league. We've ever seen the
version of Deshaun Watson right now. I've seen some advanced
stats floating around, like on Twitter, the eye test. We've
all been watching football for a long time. That is
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one of the worst players, like this version of what
we're watching we've ever seen. They didn't even call Joe
Flacco because they didn't want to offend the guy. Then
he goes to Indy and obviously they're gonna roll in
with Anthony Rigson. Like objectively speaking, I don't obviously the
numbers are gonna be on Flacco side, But like I test,
you name it, you could. You know. The coaches will
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never go on record, but if you knew them personally,
they're way better with Joe Flacco. But today, the reason
they lost today wasn't Joe Flacco's fault. It was a
fucking defense is atrocious, and it can make even Trevor Lawrence,
who I'm watching the games, like, I'd rather have Joe
Flacco than Trevor Lawrence. Obviously not for like the next
ten years, because Joe Flaco is thirty nine years old,
So if I was gonna take a chance, you'd take
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the younger player. But in a one game situation or
the rest of this season, like Joe Flactor was just better,
uh overrated. I gotta take the l on this. A
lot of you guys have been firing into my dms
about like, you can't you talk so much about this guy?
You never shut up where you at. John. I've sang
Kalin Dubors praises, I've sung them from the high heavens.
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I believed when not many people did. And then he
beat Georgia and I felt pretty good and I gloated
pretty hard. And then he lost to Vanderbilt. Now you
can go glass half full on this twelve team playoff.
Lost to Vanderbilt doesn't kill him, honestly, doesn't even phase him.
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Like he still can have another loss. He's in the playoffs.
But you can't lose to Vanderbilt. You're allowed to come
out playing crappy. We have stucky on He's like, take
Vanderbilt in the points, but you gotta find a way
to come back to win. Like if Nick Saban's the coach,
there is no way he loses that game. It might
be weird. He might be down in half, but when
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the dust settles and the clock goes to zero, no
one's rushing the field. In Alabama's won the game and
he didn't that one. That's stunning. But college football now
there's a lot more parody. I'm not trying to bail
Dubor out. That's just that can't happen. His defense is
getting smoked. And if you want to, if you want
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me to do some pushback on to Boor, It's like
he's an offensive guy. Offense is a baby. It's never
been an issue wherever he goes. But defense was an
issue at Washington and clearly was an issue late in
the game against Georgia, and now is an issue against Vanderbilt.
Who was just every time I looked up I was
in the DraftKings sports book. Guys are just wide open,
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just running for you know, explosive plays. Underrated. I do
think a little bit like the packers. If you're a
college football fan and you're an Alabama fan, like your
life has been so good, Like it's unheard of to
have this happen. It basically happens to everybody else, Like
(42:13):
everybody else, maybe notwithstanding Ohio State, but like Notre Dame
two years ago. Hell, this year they lost in Northern Illinois, Texas,
go look at their record two years ago when Sarka
was going like five and seven. People lose awful games.
It happens, but it just never happened to Nick Saban.
(42:36):
You'd have to go back and people are gonna bring
it up that Louisiana and Roe game, like that's a
long time ago, twenty twenty four, and that was his
first year. Like he took over a shitty program. Dubar
took over a sweet program. So it also be pretty underrated.
If you were at the game for Vanderbilt, it'd be
one of those things that you will tell that story
(42:57):
of the rest of your life. If you're a student
and you went to that game probably expecting just to
get drunk, have a good time and watch your team
get annihilated and then they win, Like there had to
be a moment in the stands. I Yeah, this fun,
this is cool. It's fun to like third quarter people
start looking around like could we really do? Are we
gonna be part of history here? And then the answer
(43:20):
is yes. Okay. Last couple of things overrated. I think sleep.
I think one thing now with the conference realignment, game
day went to Cal which I wanted to watch, so
I got up early on Saturday morning. That game did
not start till eight o'clock at night, essentially Pacific Standard
(43:45):
time col versus Miami. I mean I was watching that
game well into like eleven thirty last night. And I
think these television networks absolutely love this realignment and getting
these matchups super late. It's one thing to have Washington
State play Cow. It's another thing to be able to
throw a Miami eventually in Ohio State or Michigan or
(44:08):
just a random big team from across the country. So
if you like sleep and you like college football slash
the NFL, they do not really go hand in hand
right now, because you get so many of these games
that you got to pay attention to late into Saturday night.
And now the NFL is playing all these London games
that kick off at six point thirty, and I would
(44:30):
say underrated. How much you take for granted when you're
young and you can just drink, wake up, work out, eat, drink,
do it over again, do it over again, and your
body is just pull a proof. The older you get,
you feel like, how am I going to do this now? Luckily,
(44:52):
some of us are a little mentally tougher than others,
so you just tell yourself, we don't have a choice.
But I think when you're young, you don't even realize
how good you have it in terms of hangovers, in
terms of energy after boozing. I'm just talking about day boozing.
I'm not even talking about like I ain't going to
the club. You know, I'm bed by eleven thirty at night.
(45:13):
But you just your boy just doesn't have it anymore.
I really don't. I just I can't. I don't rebound
like I used to. I used to just wake up
and be good. Those days feel like a long, long
time ago. The volume
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