October 7, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin can't believe the Steelers still have not embraced offensive football in today's NFL after they struggled to move the ball against a banged-up Cowboys defense
Jets fans are overreacting by wanting HC Robert Saleh fired
Thoughts on the Bills making a crucial mistake during the end of their loss to the Texans
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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A couple hours, Michael Irvin stops by his Miami Hurricanes
and Dallas Cowboys. He is feeling it today, one hour
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong,
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there's plenty of both, jamac I guess it's a win
for the Cowboys. I could not take my eyes off
that outdated is kind to the Steelers offense. Everything's set
up for them to win. That game left me speechless.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I couldn't sleep last night of us who ticked off.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
At the Pittsburgh Steelers. Colin, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Gosh, the Steelers offense. This morning should be humiliated, should
be completely embarrassed. Their defense picked off a couple of balls,
blocks a kick three times. The Cowboys in the red
zone with Dak Prescott Ceedee Lamp get no points. Micah
Parsons is out, DeMarcus Lawrence is out. You're at home.
It is perfect. The Cowboys are reeling. It's perfect. And
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the Pittsburgh offense, the nineteen seventy seven Pittsburgh offense engineered
ninety seven yards atrocious on third down, four yards of
play against the Dallas team without their top dude defenders.
Pittsburgh's offensive line shocker. It stinks for years. The only
happy Steelers should be Russell Wilson because at least he'll
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eventually get to play. Pittsburgh's offense is the flip phone
of the league. What do they do well? It looks outdated,
It's incredible. Since Terry Bradshaw retired in nineteen eighty three
until today, they've had twenty five different quarterbacks. I counted
last night. Maybe I'm off one or two. Twenty five
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one has been exceptional, Big Ben one of twenty five.
Green Bay's like three for its last three. So you
know this was not about the Cowboys. Excellence. They handed
the game to Pittsburgh. But Dak, a real pro, said
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for years he's the Kirk Cousins with a bigger brand,
a star on the helmet. He's a pro high EQ,
high IQ. He doesn't have to play well in long stretches.
He is stoic, he is unflappable. He can stink. He
can argue with Ceedee Lamb for an hour. Jerry can
be doing silly stuff. McCarthy can butcher play calling and
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Lauk management, but Dak will show up, grind it out
fifteen plays and you win the game. And I find
with Pittsburgh, and you see this with a lot of businesses,
their strengths are actually their weakness. Their strength is they're
tough and physical. Their weaknesses they rely on that too often.
Tough and physical. How about smart, thoughtful, clever On offense,
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once again, the Steelers lead the NFL in defensive spending
in twenty twenty four, and once again their last in
offensive spending. Sometimes I think they actually believe you could
just rub dirt on it and it'll be better. That's
the culture. Mike Tomlin's great at the podium, and he's got,
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you know, trophies, but cultures change and move. That game,
was there no Micah, no Nevarcus Lawrence, multiple picks at home,
block a kick, Cowboys kind of reeling, Ceedee Lamb and
Dak got into an argument, and I don't know if
it was intentional, but Ceedee Lamb was a non factor
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in the second half and Mike Parsons was out. And
that's what you generated offensively. And by the way, Arthur Smith,
the Steelers offensive coordinator, he made Ryan Tannehill four or
five years ago a pro bowler in the AFC. In
the AFC made him a pro bowler. It's not the OC,
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it's the culture. It's drawn. Plays up in the dirt
is what it looks like. That was embarrassing. Steelers defense
always does their job, rarely embarrasses themselves in a division
now with a bunch of bad defenses, Pittsburgh's is always
tough and reliable and physical. What a mess. And stop
telling me Tomlin's never had a losing season. Raise your standards.
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Here's the coach after.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
There's a fine line between drink and wine and squashing
grapes in our business. And you know that's an example
of it. You know that ball is on the ground
right there in the red area, and that's the difference.
It was a hard fark game tonight. But it's not
mystical about the outcome. I just thought we didn't do
enough over sixty minutes to position ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Listen, there are wins where you lose star players and
they're like bad wins, and there are losses where you
look up and you're like, we're better than we thought.
That was an atrocious loss. Hand to do you and
you wouldn't take it ninety seven yards against that defense. Wow,
all right, So I kind of like getting up watching
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games at six thirty. If you give me a good game,
I love that. Of course, Aaron Rodgers does not love
that because that one's on him. Three point six yards
of play, thirty six yards rushing. And we talk about
this all the time. When Aaron throws a couple of picks, dude,
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he his body language tanks. He gets very cool and
breezy with his mechanics. He's barking at the offensive coordinator,
treating him like a personal assistant. Aaron goes into a
darkness retreat during the game. Everybody then is walking on eggshells.
It's the opposite. Really have Kirk Cousins and Dak You
never know what the score is. They never change. Aaron
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pivots on a dime when things don't go well. And
it was the problem in Green Bay. You can call
it pouting, you know. You can call it darkness, retreat,
you call it whatever you want. We discussed this last week.
Nobody goes darker faster than Aaron and bro. You wanted Hacket,
you wanted Alan Bizard. How in the world with two
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capable running backs, one a semi star, can you be
thirty second in the NFL? And rushing and by the way,
Garrett Wilson targeted twenty two times is excellent, but this
is really troubling when they target their best offensive player.
Garrett Wilson only completes fifty nine percent of his throws
and a passer rating at seventy And I don't want
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to hear this. Blame Robert Sala nonsense. His defense was great.
If his GM and owner would assigned Hassan Reddick, I
don't know how you'd move on him. They just totally
shut down in the second half. The best offense in
the NFL shut it down. They got great corners, they're aggressive,
they don't have huff Now they don't have Reddick. Quinn
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Williams got hurt. They shut Minnesota down. That's the first
time this year. Sam Darnold, you're like, uh, oh old,
Sam Darnold, don't blame Sala. He didn't whiff on a
quarterback in the draft. He didn't whiff on a left hackle,
forcing the franchise to give Aaron all control. And we
know what Aaron does when you do that. He seeks comfort.
He wants a Randall Cobb and Alan Lazar, he wants
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a Nat Hackett. That's all on Aaron. But Sala's side
of the ball. He didn't want to. He wouldn't have
hired Hackett. They were forced to because the GM whiffed
on the left tackling a quarterback. He's not impulsive. The
owner is, I mean, the only thing there. I mean,
tell me, if you've heard this before. It's twenty twenty four.
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The Jets are great on defense, but their offense is
holding him back. Did you know through five games? I
couldn't believe it when I saw this. Through five games,
the Jets have ninety three points. That's the exact same
they had last year with Zach Wilson. Aaron isn't shot,
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but he is way past his prime in this franchise
out of desperation. They're a better version of the Browns.
Honestly desperate, low self esteem, impulsive. Have handed the franchise
to a guy that seeks comfort, pivots the dark in
a second if things don't go his way. I mean,
I'll give Aaron credit. He's still pretty, but boy, when
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he throws a couple of picks, watch his mechanics. He
gets real cool and breezy. Without saying it. He's saying it.
He's doing this to his offensive coordinator to humiliate him.
He's not your personal assistant. You shouldn't treat your personal
assistant like that. So, you know, if you get called
the savior and you built an offense that made you comfortable,
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then it's on you now. Aaron to his credit after
took the hit.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It's gotta be, you know, honest with your performance every
single week and hold yourself to a standard. Obviously that
was blowing my standard. I just found out I've never
thrown two picks in the first quarter before. So that's
the first in a game where you lose by six.
You know, plays like that are exponentially highlightd so three turnos.
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For me, it's definitely out of character, and I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
By the way the reaction in New York is predictably
intense and silly. Let's fire Sola. The defense is the
only thing that works. He went to the Jets. That's
his side of the ball. He didn't whiff on a
quarterback in the first round, he didn't whiff in a
left tackle. He wouldn't have hired Nat Hackett. I mean,
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you can the only thing that works. I said this
about Chicago a couple of weeks ago. I don't know
if eber Flew is a good head coach. The Bears
defense is excellent, so at least he knows his side
of the ball. At least he's got that down. But
you want to get rid of the only thing that works.
Oh that's great, let's create more chaos. Who are going
to give the job to? Generally, in the NFL, if
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you fire a defensive coach, you'd give the head coaching
job to the offensive coordinator. You'd give it to Net Hackett.
You know what's funny about this. The Giants are making
no noise across town, same stadium, Giants making no noise,
good old line, excellent defensive line. Daniel Jones makes no
mistakes in his prime, whether you like his prime or not.
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We talked all off season about the Jets. The Giants
actually have a fighting chance here to maybe make a
playoff run brutal and you want to fire Sala. The
only thing good is your defense, and he's doing it without.
He's got injury. Sauce Gardner got hurt. Vikings have rolled
over everybody. He couldn't move the ball second half, they
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couldn't move the ball at all. You want to get
rid of that guy. You're gonna pack at the gig.
All of this stuff is Sla is trapped. He got
into a shouting match reportedly last year with the owner,
and he's trying to push back. He's doing everything he can,
and he's trying to be friends with Aaron. He gives
him a bro hug and Aaron pushes back. He's trying, well,
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why was you fire? The only thing that works? Amazing?
Jay Mack, Colin Wright, Colin wrong in fifty minutes from now,
what a boy? The way the Giants as the Bills
are falling into the tank, reeling and the Jets are
a mess. The New York Giants are something special. To
stop it, to stop with the Giants nonsense.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But despite that, what was that six minutes just blasting
the Jets, which they deserve Colin Jets Bills a week
from today for first place.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
In the division. They still got to shot. It's not
over for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, But for the record. What makes the NFL great?
And by the way, this is now what makes college
football great? Vandy beat Bama. So what it's a twelve
team playoff. You can lose games. Now, USC maybe out
of the playoff, Michigan may be out of the playoff,
but you can lose a game. Oregon, Ohio State play losers,
not out of the if it's a good close game.
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They had a loser's fine. So you know this is
it's we're not even what's funny about this. We're not
even a third through the season. What are we going
into week what going in a week?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Six?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay? Well yeah, okay, so we are a third what's
eighteen weeks count the bye? So we're a third through
the NFL season and the.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Jets don't know who they are, which is real nice.
Fifty four passes for Aaron Rodgers fifty four.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I thought all off season it was, Hey, we're gonna
run the football. We got Brice Hall, You've got three
new offensive line. We got this.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
They have him throw fifty times a game. By the way,
they got a dance running back, they got a power
running back, and none of them work. I mean, I
actually like their backfield. It's like a real backfield, and
they don't use it.
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Speaker 1 (13:26):
The more and entertaining games of the day, the Arizona Cardinals.
Tom Brady got a good one beat San Francisco twenty
four to twenty three. I had said before the season,
I worried about San Francisco. J Mack is my witness.
I said, I think they've peaked. They're getting very old,
they're getting very reliant on Christian McCaffrey. I did not
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like all the money talk and the noise in the
off season that creates some animosity. There reports this morning
from a reporter Mike Silver that there's a weird vibe
in the locker room, and this morning, here's what we
know about the Niners. They've beaten the Jets and the
Patriots and their defense. The names are bigger than production.
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It's just not that intimidating. Windows close because of the
regulated level of violence very quickly in the NFL. Players
get old fast. The only thing that lasts a long
time in this league is the great coach, great quarterback combination.
Walsh and Montana, Belichick and Brady Reid and Mahomes. You
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get the right coach and the right quarterback. That puppy
can last a long time. But does this sound like
it lasts a long time? Super physical team that's solid
at quarterback. I know what you're saying. Brock Purty's more
than that. Folks brought pretty in his career. Now it's
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been established when he leads bit of a front runner
one hundred and thirty one quarterback rating in his career.
When brock Purty trails in the fourth quarter, his passer
rating is sixty two. He is good when he's comfortable.
He's good with a lead. He's not good trailing. Here
comes the house and everybody knows you've got to throw it.
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And that is the difference between Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahomes and Brock Purdy. If you know he's throwing, he's
not anything other than ordinary. The roster's physical. But when
you watch that game, it was Arizona that was spry
and dynamic and twitchy and had young stars McBride and
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Kyler and Harrison on offense. That's what it looked like
to me. I just don't see and I don't feel
the magic with the Niners, And maybe it's just this.
Christian McCaffrey's the magic about three or four times a game.
He turns a three to four yard game into a
twenty four yard game. Kyle Shanahan's record without him is
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a lose and I like Kyle, but I don't see
the special. They blew another fourth quarter lead. They become
a terrible red zone offense. Last year they were the
number one red zone offense. Now they're one of the worst.
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Twenty two trips, nine touchdowns. What's missing Christian McCaffrey, that's it.
Same o line, Debo Kittle, Kyle, same names on defense.
Why are they so bad in the red zone? The
magic was Christian McCaffrey. I had said, they're getting two.
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Christian McCaffrey, reliant, and the numbers bear it out. Kyle
Shanahan on blowing another game they had won.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Certainly frustrated. I think we had thirteen points in seventeen
another by no means should we be able to give
that away? Always we'll come back to turnovers. In my opinion,
there's other things you can do to overcome them. Talked
about last night how he thought a key in this
game would be turnovers, and that's exactly what the first
half was. Gave us a huge advantage and then it
flipped in the second half. And when you do that
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stuff to.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Win, Listen Belichick, Andy Reid, They'll all tell you the
quarterback is more valuable than the coach. But there are
these rare instances. Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton, Christian McCaffrey. They
may not be quarterbacks, but they drive the operation. And
without Christian, they get into these situations in the red
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zone where he would turn a three yard game into
a clever seven yard game and a touchdown. I mean
that game Kyler Murray threw a pick to Bosa, block kicks.
It was there for the taking, just like the Steelers.
It was there for the taking and they couldn't do
it. It was Arizona with a more dynamic, younger athletic offense
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making plays. Here's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Turns this is the herd line news. Look, can I
just defend perty for a quick second?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Forty nine Ers scored twenty three points in the first half,
didn't punt in the second half, and lost. I don't
think you could put it on Party or shan Ann.
Their kicker got hurt culling, so they basically they had
what a turnover on downs where it was fourth and twenty,
They're like, we can't kick, Let's just throw fifteen.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yards to Kittle.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They had the unlucky Mason fumble like it was just
that was a wacky game, right, I mean, you don't
think there's major.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Problem when when Tom Brady would get a block kick
for a touchdown and a defensive lineman intercepting the ball,
he wouldn't complain about his kicker that game at home,
Arizona off a blowout better roster. Why why can we
only when it's convenient compliment perty they needed? Because I'm
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watching Kyler make crazy plays. His special teams screwed him over.
Make it crazy plays. You gotta be able to win.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Those five He made that the jump ball off his
back foot to Harrison.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, he's to save the game.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
People, don't. I had a good game.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, listen, he's five to nine. He can do
only so much in the pocket. Oh no, he's a
crazy athlete.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, okay, all right, I see where we're going here.
It's a pretty Jets show. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Uh, let's start with Texans receiver Stefon Diggs. He got
the last laugh in a revenge game against the Bills. Uh,
they've got They actually got lucky to survive that game,
which was a crazy game digs in the Bills. Bills
quarterback Josh Allen downplayed the story lines around the separation
of those two. After the game, dig said this one
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meant something to him.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Well, obviously playing my old team, I'm not a seerio
to act like it was just ragular. It meant a
lot too, And it was reassuring that the guys around
me knew that to meant to lots to me. And
if I did say it, you know, without trot to
just keep it poised or treat every week like it's
the same.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, I like the fact that Stefan Diggs was
totally authentic there and admits, yeah, it did mean a
lot to me. I love that. I mean most people
are like, no big deal, It's like, no this, I
don't like the way it ended. That meant a lot
to me.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm surprised he didn't take any jabs at Josh Allen
having one of the worst games any quarterback has had
in like the last five years, Colin, I.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Mean nine of thirty.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yes, it was fad.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Meanwhile, Diggs's guy Stroud looked pretty good for the first
three quarters. Yeah, but yeah, I don't where are you
on the Texans four and one?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
No, I like them. Listen, they have all the components.
I like coach, quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, star weapons.
I do think CJ. Stroud needs mixing. I remember when
they signed Mixon. You and I were like, this a
huge story and it was kind of like Joe Mixon.
Young quarterbacks, especially by the way Kayleb Williams last two
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weekends had her right. It's amazing. Caleb Williams looks more
poised than under control. I like them a lot. I
think they're a bit young to be a Super Bowl
hoisting team in the AFC. But if you look at
this schedule, airs a lot, they got Tennessee still twice.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Patriots this week should be a dub.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It feels a little like the Bengals team with Burrow
that went to the Super Bowl, I mean Colin with
Nico Collins healthy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
They were dominating the Bills early in that game fourteen to.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Three, like running away with their point differential this year
despite their record as minus twelve. They need their run
game again. It's that the foundations there, quarterback, coach, left tackle,
edge rusher weapons, That's that's where the league starts. I
do think though Stroud at this point. I mean, everybody
needs a run game. By the way, if Joe Mixon
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was still a Bengal and they weren't so cheap, the
Bengals wouldn't be as relyant on Burrow. They'd have better
ball control, so their defense wouldn't be on the field.
They're so Burrough dominated. In Jamar Chase, what's happened. It's
not just defense. You let Mixon go. You don't control
the line of scrimmage in the clock. I mean, if
you have an average defense, one of the ways to
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save it keep them fresh. Run game, right. Yeah, so
Cincinnati is now all Burrow and Chase, no run game
and their defense is totally exposed.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I will say Texans Bills was a crazy game, fun game, wild.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It didn't feel like two teams that are contenders for
the Sea.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So a lot of screw up a lot. Nick Dermot's
under fire right now for the.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Way he handled it. Get to that in a second.
That was embarrassing, very bad.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Next up, Hey, how about this one? Sean Payton and Bow.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Nick's got into it on the sideline yesterday, your guy,
two of your guys.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You love these two.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Many people brought up last year were Sean Payton and
Russell Wilson got into a heated debate. But the back
and forth year with the rookie quarterback a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And here's Sean Payton. It's part of the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
There's still a little bit of fairste in.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
This player that we got to get rid of, all right,
talking about bow and I love him to death and
and so sometimes it's my love language.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I love that. And they both apologize. Ferris Bueller meaning
he's a little mischievous, He's gonna kind of do things
and he's not gonna ask for permission, which is Ferris
Bueller's Day Off remains one of the great films comedies
of all time. But I think what he's saying is
he's gonna do what he wants to do. He's had
sixty one snaps in college. He comes in with kind
of an identity and this is what I do, and
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he's trying to get that little mischievous I'm gonna do
things without asking for permission out of that. But I
will say about bow Nicks, he may not throw it,
not big deep ball thrower. He is way more athletic
than people give him credit for. He can not Jayden Daniels,
but the dude can move.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I feel like he's probably as athletic as Caleb Williams.
I don't know that. Is that crazy to say it?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, he's not as big as Caleb. Not his power thrower.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We're quicker man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
When he hits those holes running scrambling, Knicks can pick
up five eight ten yards easily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And here's the edit thing. Offensively, I'm not surprised because
I think their personnel is better than people think. Offensively,
their defense is plan out of its mom.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It helps when Gardner Minshew throws the ball right to
Patrick Sartan for one hundred yard pick six, and the
Raiders have a lot of problems. I wouldn't get too excited, however,
look at the bow Nicks numbers the first two games
versus the next three.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
We gotta screen here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I want to see that Nick started out struggling the
first two games, and he's rebounded since that Tampa game.
Five touchdowns, zero interceptions, like the turnovers have stopped all
three rookie quarterbacks, by the way, one this Sunday. Remember
we talked briefly about that they were all favored. I
was like, they all won.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Go look at Caleb Williams first ten quarters and his
last ten quarters. He is a completely different player. And
to your point, we're seeing that with bow Next.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Jade Daniels is just a superstar already. But yeah, shout
out the bow Nicks. Hey man, they've turned it around. Denver.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think Denver and and the Chargers are going to
be watching this Kansas City game tonight very closely.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I think it's going to be are the Chiefs susceptible?
Here comes Denver? I know Denver's defense.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Interesting final story is major League baseball boy, this series
has been fascinating, intense.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, you got out of handing.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Each other very much. So.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So here's a fellow by the name of Jurickson Profar
of the Padres. He had an awesome robbery of a
Mookie Bets home run in the first inning, just stole
it from the fans.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
However, that flexing that he did after the robbery started
to get to work back back and forth of words
with the fans, and in the seventh inning a Dodger
fan threw a baseball at him from the stands.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was he was irate.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Uh. And after the game he kind of sounded off.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
And what I said was just now, you can't hurt someone,
get all of our people and and San Diego, don't
don't don't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I gotta tell you something. The talent between these two rosters'
six Hall of Fame ve robbery.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Watch. Watch. This is just a tremendous play. I thought
it was going. The announcers were like, is it out?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Nobody knew so he was dissing the fans.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, that's that's a cool move.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What was wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Later though, Manny Machado.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I don't know if you saw him exchange the stuff
he was telling the guy meet me in the parking lot.
I'll see you outside to the picture for the Dodgers
who got shelled. I'm just telling you this Game three
on Tuesday in pet Goo is gonna be crazy because
you know, the Padres fans are all worked up.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm not gonna lie they might win this year. I
worried about the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They lost a picture right a couple like a week
ago a Mosgrove. They if they had that is like
Podrey fans are freaking out. I think when you're close
to aus talented as the team you're facing and you
have nothing to lose, and the pressures on the Dodgers,
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I kind of think and Diego's gonna win the series.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Oh, Tony had a home run in his second That
bat is awesome, blast.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I was watching that Saturday night over some of the
college football.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Oh yeah, and he hasn't done much since. This is
Game three is gonna be big. You don't want to
because got the producers. You ever been telling me, listen,
the Dodgers pitching's not it's.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The Dodgers Podrays. I don't. I don't follow baseball ratings.
It has a chance to be one of the highest
regular season well no, it's playoffs now one of the
highest non World Series ratings in a long time. I mean,
this is just divisional round.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
And Philly's Mets, by the way, is excellent.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well, you know what's funny about that series.
The Mets all year long, eight ninth inning, come from behind.
So they did it in the first game, they almost
did it, they did it in the second, and the
Philly score that series. It's just the way the Mets
are built, late inning offense. That series will be insane.
But the quality of talent in the Podres Dodgers. I
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wonder what if you take World Series ratings out the
last ten year, take all the World Series stuff out,
what is the highest rated baseball game? Don't count the
All Star Game, the home run Derby or those event games.
I'm talking any baseball game not in the World Series.
What is the highest rating?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And Padres are attractive, right, They got a lot of
young dudes, They got the Swagy Yeah exactly, and that
is what is attracting. I believe young fans, the old
old school guys. They don't like that the bat flings
and all that. I love that stuff. I don't know
about you.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Pretty fun Jamicklin News.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
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Speaker 1 (28:34):
So I do want to talk about Buffalo because I'm
starting to think that Buffalo has the wrong coach for
a superstar quarterback. So Buffalo, this is unforgivable. And I'm
not somebody that beats up on play calling by coaches.
I don't know who's injured, who's healthy. I think in
our business it's too many hosts or overwrought, ripping play calling.
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There's a lot more that goes into a game than
just a single play. But it was tied at twenty.
You're deep in your own territory. Your quarterback just got
his head banged into and he's not playing well. Your
run game's kind of effective. Houston has three timeouts, forced
Houston to use them because there's not much time left,
and yet Buffalo only burns sixteen seconds because they passed
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it three straight times. I'm I'm that is unforgivable and
that's on the heels. A couple of weeks ago from
that zany weird trick play against the Ravens that just
muted all your momentum. I don't think you'd won that
game anyway, but it was a weird call that McDermott
had to address. So it just doesn't make sense, Like
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there are certain things in football. When there's you know,
thirty five seconds in a game, it's twenty twenty, you're
on the road, you are kind of effectively running the ball.
Your quarterback just got hurt and he's having his worst
game as a pro, and you didn't even have your
best slot receiver available. So it was just a terrible
day for Josh Allen and you're gonna ask him deep
in the territory on the road to fling it up
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the field three times. Therefore, Houston gets it back, doesn't
have to move it much, gets a field goal, and
wins the game. Coaching lost that game, and again we
Buffalo is way too noisy when it comes to coaching,
game management and coordinators. The Dorsey blow up, the Goofy
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trick play. It's just it's way too noisy. And again,
Josh got hurt, didn't have a slot receiver. You just
run the ball. Texans take three timeouts. Maybe you lose
the game in overtime. I get it. You can't lose
like that. There are losses that you're like, hey, chalk
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it up to a bad call, chalk it up to
a bad day the weather. That is totally on the
head coach. Here's Sean McDermott after you.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
Know, that's on me that the end of game situation
on offense, they're on three time outs a good show
goal kicker when you need to run the clock and
move the chains, and that's on me. We didn't do
that there, and that's my fault. I love Josh with
the ball in his hands, you know I do. And
you know again, efficient offense was that was the right
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approach there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And listen, Andy Reid in crisis feels like a life
preserver for the Chiefs. Sean McDermott in crisis is starting
to feel like a kettle ball for the Bills. He
is pulling them down. And those losses the last couple
of weeks are to teams that you'll probably have an
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opportunity to play in the postseason, and you're giving home
field up. And Buffalo is one of the great home
field advantages due to weather, and they're crowd noise in
the league, so You're just giving up home field advantage.
Nobody wants to go to Buffalo in January. Nobody wants
to go to Buffalo. I mean, forget Josh Allen. If
you're a good team and you're a better roster, you
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don't want to go up to Buffalo outdoor, that crowd,
Josh Allen, that weather, You're just giving up home field advantage.
Brutal right. I don't even get it. I don't even
understand it. You ever have something in your life happened
and you're like, did I miss something? What am I
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not getting? So I go online and people are freaking out,
and I'm like, Okay, all right, just saw I'm not crazy.
They're doing something here that is unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
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Speaker 1 (32:48):
Apple all Right, can't wait for that, don't forget top
of next hour, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
So I mean Dak was twenty nine of forty two,
three hundred and fifty yards, a couple of touchdowns, couple
of picks. Passer rating wasn't great. But you know, when
you pay a quarterback sixty million dollars, you occasionally need
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them to be Superman, put on a cape and be
a superhero. And Dak he is a superhero, but it
feels he's like the Green Lantern, where he's officially a superhero,
we're not quite sure what he does. In fact, the
Green Lantern has a ring. Dak doesn't.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't know what to say. I mean, he was
two for five in the red zone with two turnovers
before the fifteen play drive. I don't know what to say.
It was a win. So his superpower is his EQ
And what I mean by that is Kirk Cousins who
have said Dak is a better athlete than Kirk Cousins.
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Kirk's a better thrower, but they're the same guy. You
can tune into any Dak game in the third quarter
and you could watch him and you have no idea
if he's playing well or not. If Aaron throws pick,
he pouts, he's yelling at his offensive coordinator. He's ghosting guys.
He goes in a personal darkness retreat. In a game,
he gets sullen and dark. Dak and Kirk cousins, Kirk Thursday,
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Dak Sunday Night. You can't tell. It's a vanity driven
franchise with ego everywhere, expectations through the roof. He's got
Ceenee Lamb barking at him, and like Dak, doesn't care. Unflappable, stoic,
grown up adult high IQ high EQ, and that matters
a lot. Now. A lot of the great all time
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quarterbacks sometimes were barkers, and they're very emotional. You can
do that, But in this franchise, I could argue he
is the perfect personality for what Dallas is. A noisy,
vanity driven franchise, and Dacton appear to have much of
an ego. He's confident without being cocky. And again, he
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was not good in the red zone on the road.
Ceedee Lamb started banging on Dak on the sidelines, and
did Dak get into a whizzing match with him. No,
he ignored him. Actually literally ignored him in the second
half and used all the B and C guys and
engineered to win on the road. So it's a road win.
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You didn't have Micah, you didn't play particularly well in
the red zone, situational football. So for Dak, it's kind
of what Dak does.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
And here he was after the upste downs, debs and flows,
a lot of things that Mike preaches on two minutes
and for us to just stay resilient win the game
in two minutes was one of those games. Okay, how
long do you play, You'll never forget it. And so
I just kept saying, let's make it and make it
one to remember. And I think we did that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Now, you desperately needed to win last night because the
Cowboys schedule, this is the tough part of it. It's
not early and late their schedule. Now look at this
puppy Detroit at San Francisco, at Atlanta, rival Philly, Houston
at suddenly Great Washington. Joe Burrow is right after the Giants,
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and the Giants offensive line is we talked about this
about three weeks ago. If you're paying attention to the
Giants their own line and they've drafted it, and put
money into it. It's good. I don't know what ranks
this morning on PFF, but that Giants O line totally
dominated Seattle in the Dallas' D line. Again, Pittsburgh doesn't
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know what they're doing offensively. They're lost. The Giants is
not an easy out. Really good coach, excellent D line,
excellent O line. Giants won a game in the Pacific Northwest,
three thousand miles away without Molik Neighbors or singletary like.
That's so, it was like Daniel Jones was doing his
thing and Jamact doesn't like him, and I I'll just
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say this. In New York, they want to run the
coach out of town. In the other New York, the Giants,
you should give him an extension. They are getting everything
out of Daniel Jones. He no longer. This is what
Kevin O'Connell's done with Donald. He's coached the reckless out
of him. So you get big athletic Donald making places.
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Daniel Jones doesn't throw picks anymore. He's not fumbling the
ball anymore. He was a turnover machine. He was justin fields.
They've coached that all out of him, and they don't
even have I mean, obviously next year they got to
upgrade their running back room. They dominated Seattle. This was
not I don't care what the score was. Seattle was
never on the field. They completely called own the line
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of scrimmage that game, I don't care what it was.
Ten to ten, Seattle's offense was three and out, quick, quick, quick.
Giants went on long drives. That Giants team, the one
that nobody's talking about in New York, the one that
has the trophies, is actually going to be a really
tough out. I don't love Daniel Jones, but what you're
seeing with the Giants that is coaching. If we're gonna
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love Kevin O'Connell because Darnold's got more natural ability than
Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones to me, I'm sitting there watching
him yesterday and I'm like, it's a little Alex Smith.
The ceiling's a little lower, but he's big, he moves,
he's not making mistakes. He's clearly coachable. This guy was
a fumble disaster. He's not so not all coaches. You
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can look at just wins day Ball is coaching that
you know what, out of this team, they are competitive
and that O line just ate the Seahawks alive in
a really tough environment to play, and I know you
want to only hear it, J Mack, but that Giants
team is gonna be a spoiler. That division's been turned
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upside down. It's the Giants O line and D line,
and it's Washington's entire operation right now.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Who Obviously, I'm the idiot who loved Seattle.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You might well we got.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We got sucked into the Moliku neighbors thing.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
But we did give out the whole face to Detroit
Lions the next week.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Teams feel beat up and they get smashed. We gave
that out.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The other one that I missed, Colin, I'm really ticked
that I missed this. This is Seattle's early season schedule
at home against Denver fly across the Country to New
England fly back home play, Miami fly back to the Midwest,
played Detroit fly back home play the Giant They looked
exhausted first quarter. They got just run over. I think
they had like two yards in the first quarter. The
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Giants had like two hundred, some insane number. But it
was just a bad spot for Seattle. I don't read
too much into it, and I'm sorry to report. The
New York Giants still stink at football.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
They are not good. I mean, let's just please just stop.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There, dude. There are few teams in the NFL that
have a better O line D line combination than the Giants.
They're top five in that most of these teams that
have good D lines have bad O lines. Their O
line D line combo and their coach is real.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Bengals by thirty this week.
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A couple hours, Michael Irvin stops by his Miami Hurricanes
and Dallas Cowboys. He is feeling it today, one hour
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong,
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there's plenty of both, jamac I guess it's a win
for the Cowboys. I could not take my eyes off
that outdated is kind to the Steelers offense. Everything's set
up for them to win. That game left me speechless.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I couldn't sleep last night of us who ticked off.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
At the Pittsburgh Steelers. Colin, Oh my.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Gosh, the Steelers offense. This morning should be humiliated, should
be completely embarrassed. Their defense picked off a couple of balls,
blocks a kick three times. The Cowboys in the red
zone with Dak Prescott Ceedee Lamp get no points. Micah
Parsons is out, DeMarcus Lawrence is out. You're at home.
It is perfect. The Cowboys are reeling. It's perfect. And
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the Pittsburgh offense, the nineteen seventy seven Pittsburgh offense engineered
ninety seven yards atrocious on third down, four yards of
play against the Dallas team without their top dude defenders.
Pittsburgh's offensive line shocker. It stinks for years. The only
happy Steelers should be Russell Wilson because at least he'll
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eventually get to play. Pittsburgh's offense is the flip phone
of the league. What do they do well? It looks outdated,
It's incredible. Since Terry Bradshaw retired in nineteen eighty three
until today, they've had twenty five different quarterbacks. I counted
last night. Maybe I'm off one or two. Twenty five
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one has been exceptional, Big Ben one of twenty five.
Green Bay's like three for its last three. So you
know this was not about the Cowboys. Excellence. They handed
the game to Pittsburgh. But Dak, a real pro, said
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for years he's the Kirk Cousins with a bigger brand,
a star on the helmet. He's a pro high EQ,
high IQ. He doesn't have to play well in long stretches.
He is stoic, he is unflappable. He can stink. He
can argue with Ceedee Lamb for an hour. Jerry can
be doing silly stuff. McCarthy can butcher play calling and
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Lauk management, but Dak will show up, grind it out
fifteen plays and you win the game. And I find
with Pittsburgh, and you see this with a lot of businesses,
their strengths are actually their weakness. Their strength is they're
tough and physical. Their weaknesses they rely on that too often.
Tough and physical. How about smart, thoughtful, clever On offense,
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once again, the Steelers lead the NFL in defensive spending
in twenty twenty four, and once again their last in
offensive spending. Sometimes I think they actually believe you could
just rub dirt on it and it'll be better. That's
the culture. Mike Tomlin's great at the podium, and he's got,
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you know, trophies, but cultures change and move. That game,
was there no Micah, no Nevarcus Lawrence, multiple picks at home,
block a kick, Cowboys kind of reeling, Ceedee Lamb and
Dak got into an argument, and I don't know if
it was intentional, but Ceedee Lamb was a non factor
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in the second half and Mike Parsons was out. And
that's what you generated offensively. And by the way, Arthur Smith,
the Steelers offensive coordinator, he made Ryan Tannehill four or
five years ago a pro bowler in the AFC. In
the AFC made him a pro bowler. It's not the OC,
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it's the culture. It's drawn. Plays up in the dirt
is what it looks like. That was embarrassing. Steelers defense
always does their job, rarely embarrasses themselves in a division
now with a bunch of bad defenses, Pittsburgh's is always
tough and reliable and physical. What a mess. And stop
telling me Tomlin's never had a losing season. Raise your standards.
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Here's the coach after.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
There's a fine line between drink and wine and squashing
grapes in our business. And you know that's an example
of it. You know that ball is on the ground
right there in the red area, and that's the difference.
It was a hard fark game tonight. But it's not
mystical about the outcome. I just thought we didn't do
enough over sixty minutes to position ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Listen, there are wins where you lose star players and
they're like bad wins, and there are losses where you
look up and you're like, we're better than we thought.
That was an atrocious loss. Hand to do you and
you wouldn't take it ninety seven yards against that defense. Wow,
all right, So I kind of like getting up watching
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games at six thirty. If you give me a good game,
I love that. Of course, Aaron Rodgers does not love
that because that one's on him. Three point six yards
of play, thirty six yards rushing. And we talk about
this all the time. When Aaron throws a couple of picks, dude,
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he his body language tanks. He gets very cool and
breezy with his mechanics. He's barking at the offensive coordinator,
treating him like a personal assistant. Aaron goes into a
darkness retreat during the game. Everybody then is walking on eggshells.
It's the opposite. Really have Kirk Cousins and Dak You
never know what the score is. They never change. Aaron
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pivots on a dime when things don't go well. And
it was the problem in Green Bay. You can call
it pouting, you know. You can call it darkness, retreat,
you call it whatever you want. We discussed this last week.
Nobody goes darker faster than Aaron and bro. You wanted Hacket,
you wanted Alan Bizard. How in the world with two
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capable running backs, one a semi star, can you be
thirty second in the NFL? And rushing and by the way,
Garrett Wilson targeted twenty two times is excellent, but this
is really troubling when they target their best offensive player.
Garrett Wilson only completes fifty nine percent of his throws
and a passer rating at seventy And I don't want
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to hear this. Blame Robert Sala nonsense. His defense was great.
If his GM and owner would assigned Hassan Reddick, I
don't know how you'd move on him. They just totally
shut down in the second half. The best offense in
the NFL shut it down. They got great corners, they're aggressive,
they don't have huff Now they don't have Reddick. Quinn
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Williams got hurt. They shut Minnesota down. That's the first
time this year. Sam Darnold, you're like, uh, oh old,
Sam Darnold, don't blame Sala. He didn't whiff on a
quarterback in the draft. He didn't whiff on a left hackle,
forcing the franchise to give Aaron all control. And we
know what Aaron does when you do that. He seeks comfort.
He wants a Randall Cobb and Alan Lazar, he wants
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a Nat Hackett. That's all on Aaron. But Sala's side
of the ball. He didn't want to. He wouldn't have
hired Hackett. They were forced to because the GM whiffed
on the left tackling a quarterback. He's not impulsive. The
owner is, I mean, the only thing there. I mean,
tell me, if you've heard this before. It's twenty twenty four.
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The Jets are great on defense, but their offense is
holding him back. Did you know through five games? I
couldn't believe it when I saw this. Through five games,
the Jets have ninety three points. That's the exact same
they had last year with Zach Wilson. Aaron isn't shot,
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but he is way past his prime in this franchise
out of desperation. They're a better version of the Browns.
Honestly desperate, low self esteem, impulsive. Have handed the franchise
to a guy that seeks comfort, pivots the dark in
a second if things don't go his way. I mean,
I'll give Aaron credit. He's still pretty, but boy, when
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he throws a couple of picks, watch his mechanics. He
gets real cool and breezy. Without saying it. He's saying it.
He's doing this to his offensive coordinator to humiliate him.
He's not your personal assistant. You shouldn't treat your personal
assistant like that. So, you know, if you get called
the savior and you built an offense that made you comfortable,
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then it's on you now. Aaron to his credit after
took the hit.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It's gotta be, you know, honest with your performance every
single week and hold yourself to a standard. Obviously that
was blowing my standard. I just found out I've never
thrown two picks in the first quarter before. So that's
the first in a game where you lose by six.
You know, plays like that are exponentially highlightd so three turnos.
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For me, it's definitely out of character, and I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
By the way the reaction in New York is predictably
intense and silly. Let's fire Sola. The defense is the
only thing that works. He went to the Jets. That's
his side of the ball. He didn't whiff on a
quarterback in the first round, he didn't whiff in a
left tackle. He wouldn't have hired Nat Hackett. I mean,
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you can the only thing that works. I said this
about Chicago a couple of weeks ago. I don't know
if eber Flew is a good head coach. The Bears
defense is excellent, so at least he knows his side
of the ball. At least he's got that down. But
you want to get rid of the only thing that works.
Oh that's great, let's create more chaos. Who are going
to give the job to? Generally, in the NFL, if
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you fire a defensive coach, you'd give the head coaching
job to the offensive coordinator. You'd give it to Net Hackett.
You know what's funny about this. The Giants are making
no noise across town, same stadium, Giants making no noise,
good old line, excellent defensive line. Daniel Jones makes no
mistakes in his prime, whether you like his prime or not.
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We talked all off season about the Jets. The Giants
actually have a fighting chance here to maybe make a
playoff run brutal and you want to fire Sala. The
only thing good is your defense, and he's doing it without.
He's got injury. Sauce Gardner got hurt. Vikings have rolled
over everybody. He couldn't move the ball second half, they
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couldn't move the ball at all. You want to get
rid of that guy. You're gonna pack at the gig.
All of this stuff is Sla is trapped. He got
into a shouting match reportedly last year with the owner,
and he's trying to push back. He's doing everything he can,
and he's trying to be friends with Aaron. He gives
him a bro hug and Aaron pushes back. He's trying, well,
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why was you fire? The only thing that works? Amazing?
Jay Mack, Colin Wright, Colin wrong in fifty minutes from now,
what a boy? The way the Giants as the Bills
are falling into the tank, reeling and the Jets are
a mess. The New York Giants are something special. To
stop it, to stop with the Giants nonsense.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But despite that, what was that six minutes just blasting
the Jets, which they deserve Colin Jets Bills a week
from today for first place.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
In the division. They still got to shot. It's not
over for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, But for the record. What makes the NFL great?
And by the way, this is now what makes college
football great? Vandy beat Bama. So what it's a twelve
team playoff. You can lose games. Now, USC maybe out
of the playoff, Michigan may be out of the playoff,
but you can lose a game. Oregon, Ohio State play losers,
not out of the if it's a good close game.
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They had a loser's fine. So you know this is
it's we're not even what's funny about this. We're not
even a third through the season. What are we going
into week what going in a week?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Six?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay? Well yeah, okay, so we are a third what's
eighteen weeks count the bye? So we're a third through
the NFL season and the.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Jets don't know who they are, which is real nice.
Fifty four passes for Aaron Rodgers fifty four.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I thought all off season it was, Hey, we're gonna
run the football. We got Brice Hall, You've got three
new offensive line. We got this.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
They have him throw fifty times a game. By the way,
they got a dance running back, they got a power
running back, and none of them work. I mean, I
actually like their backfield. It's like a real backfield, and
they don't use it.
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Speaker 1 (13:26):
The more and entertaining games of the day, the Arizona Cardinals.
Tom Brady got a good one beat San Francisco twenty
four to twenty three. I had said before the season,
I worried about San Francisco. J Mack is my witness.
I said, I think they've peaked. They're getting very old,
they're getting very reliant on Christian McCaffrey. I did not
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like all the money talk and the noise in the
off season that creates some animosity. There reports this morning
from a reporter Mike Silver that there's a weird vibe
in the locker room, and this morning, here's what we
know about the Niners. They've beaten the Jets and the
Patriots and their defense. The names are bigger than production.
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It's just not that intimidating. Windows close because of the
regulated level of violence very quickly in the NFL. Players
get old fast. The only thing that lasts a long
time in this league is the great coach, great quarterback combination.
Walsh and Montana, Belichick and Brady Reid and Mahomes. You
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get the right coach and the right quarterback. That puppy
can last a long time. But does this sound like
it lasts a long time? Super physical team that's solid
at quarterback. I know what you're saying. Brock Purty's more
than that. Folks brought pretty in his career. Now it's
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been established when he leads bit of a front runner
one hundred and thirty one quarterback rating in his career.
When brock Purty trails in the fourth quarter, his passer
rating is sixty two. He is good when he's comfortable.
He's good with a lead. He's not good trailing. Here
comes the house and everybody knows you've got to throw it.
(15:13):
And that is the difference between Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahomes and Brock Purdy. If you know he's throwing, he's
not anything other than ordinary. The roster's physical. But when
you watch that game, it was Arizona that was spry
and dynamic and twitchy and had young stars McBride and
(15:37):
Kyler and Harrison on offense. That's what it looked like
to me. I just don't see and I don't feel
the magic with the Niners, And maybe it's just this.
Christian McCaffrey's the magic about three or four times a game.
He turns a three to four yard game into a
twenty four yard game. Kyle Shanahan's record without him is
(15:59):
a lose and I like Kyle, but I don't see
the special. They blew another fourth quarter lead. They become
a terrible red zone offense. Last year they were the
number one red zone offense. Now they're one of the worst.
(16:19):
Twenty two trips, nine touchdowns. What's missing Christian McCaffrey, that's it.
Same o line, Debo Kittle, Kyle, same names on defense.
Why are they so bad in the red zone? The
magic was Christian McCaffrey. I had said, they're getting two.
(16:42):
Christian McCaffrey, reliant, and the numbers bear it out. Kyle
Shanahan on blowing another game they had won.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Certainly frustrated. I think we had thirteen points in seventeen
another by no means should we be able to give
that away? Always we'll come back to turnovers. In my opinion,
there's other things you can do to overcome them. Talked
about last night how he thought a key in this
game would be turnovers, and that's exactly what the first
half was. Gave us a huge advantage and then it
flipped in the second half. And when you do that
(17:13):
stuff to.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Win, Listen Belichick, Andy Reid, They'll all tell you the
quarterback is more valuable than the coach. But there are
these rare instances. Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton, Christian McCaffrey. They
may not be quarterbacks, but they drive the operation. And
without Christian, they get into these situations in the red
(17:36):
zone where he would turn a three yard game into
a clever seven yard game and a touchdown. I mean
that game Kyler Murray threw a pick to Bosa, block kicks.
It was there for the taking, just like the Steelers.
It was there for the taking and they couldn't do
it. It was Arizona with a more dynamic, younger athletic offense
(18:01):
making plays. Here's Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Turns this is the herd line news. Look, can I
just defend perty for a quick second?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Forty nine Ers scored twenty three points in the first half,
didn't punt in the second half, and lost. I don't
think you could put it on Party or shan Ann.
Their kicker got hurt culling, so they basically they had
what a turnover on downs where it was fourth and twenty,
They're like, we can't kick, Let's just throw fifteen.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yards to Kittle.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They had the unlucky Mason fumble like it was just
that was a wacky game, right, I mean, you don't
think there's major.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Problem when when Tom Brady would get a block kick
for a touchdown and a defensive lineman intercepting the ball,
he wouldn't complain about his kicker that game at home,
Arizona off a blowout better roster. Why why can we
only when it's convenient compliment perty they needed? Because I'm
(19:01):
watching Kyler make crazy plays. His special teams screwed him over.
Make it crazy plays. You gotta be able to win.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Those five He made that the jump ball off his
back foot to Harrison.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, he's to save the game.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
People, don't. I had a good game.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, listen, he's five to nine. He can do
only so much in the pocket. Oh no, he's a
crazy athlete.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, okay, all right, I see where we're going here.
It's a pretty Jets show. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Uh, let's start with Texans receiver Stefon Diggs. He got
the last laugh in a revenge game against the Bills. Uh,
they've got They actually got lucky to survive that game,
which was a crazy game digs in the Bills. Bills
quarterback Josh Allen downplayed the story lines around the separation
of those two. After the game, dig said this one
(19:49):
meant something to him.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Well, obviously playing my old team, I'm not a seerio
to act like it was just ragular. It meant a
lot too, And it was reassuring that the guys around
me knew that to meant to lots to me. And
if I did say it, you know, without trot to
just keep it poised or treat every week like it's
the same.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You know, I like the fact that Stefan Diggs was
totally authentic there and admits, yeah, it did mean a
lot to me. I love that. I mean most people
are like, no big deal, It's like, no this, I
don't like the way it ended. That meant a lot
to me.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I'm surprised he didn't take any jabs at Josh Allen
having one of the worst games any quarterback has had
in like the last five years, Colin, I.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Mean nine of thirty.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yes, it was fad.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Meanwhile, Diggs's guy Stroud looked pretty good for the first
three quarters. Yeah, but yeah, I don't where are you
on the Texans four and one?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
No, I like them. Listen, they have all the components.
I like coach, quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, star weapons.
I do think CJ. Stroud needs mixing. I remember when
they signed Mixon. You and I were like, this a
huge story and it was kind of like Joe Mixon.
Young quarterbacks, especially by the way Kayleb Williams last two
(20:58):
weekends had her right. It's amazing. Caleb Williams looks more
poised than under control. I like them a lot. I
think they're a bit young to be a Super Bowl
hoisting team in the AFC. But if you look at
this schedule, airs a lot, they got Tennessee still twice.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Patriots this week should be a dub.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It feels a little like the Bengals team with Burrow
that went to the Super Bowl, I mean Colin with
Nico Collins healthy.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
They were dominating the Bills early in that game fourteen to.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Three, like running away with their point differential this year
despite their record as minus twelve. They need their run
game again. It's that the foundations there, quarterback, coach, left tackle,
edge rusher weapons, That's that's where the league starts. I
do think though Stroud at this point. I mean, everybody
needs a run game. By the way, if Joe Mixon
(21:51):
was still a Bengal and they weren't so cheap, the
Bengals wouldn't be as relyant on Burrow. They'd have better
ball control, so their defense wouldn't be on the field.
They're so Burrough dominated. In Jamar Chase, what's happened. It's
not just defense. You let Mixon go. You don't control
the line of scrimmage in the clock. I mean, if
you have an average defense, one of the ways to
(22:13):
save it keep them fresh. Run game, right. Yeah, so
Cincinnati is now all Burrow and Chase, no run game
and their defense is totally exposed.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I will say Texans Bills was a crazy game, fun game, wild.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It didn't feel like two teams that are contenders for
the Sea.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So a lot of screw up a lot. Nick Dermot's
under fire right now for the.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Way he handled it. Get to that in a second.
That was embarrassing, very bad.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Next up, Hey, how about this one? Sean Payton and Bow.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Nick's got into it on the sideline yesterday, your guy,
two of your guys.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You love these two.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Many people brought up last year were Sean Payton and
Russell Wilson got into a heated debate. But the back
and forth year with the rookie quarterback a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
And here's Sean Payton. It's part of the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
There's still a little bit of fairste in.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
This player that we got to get rid of, all right,
talking about bow and I love him to death and
and so sometimes it's my love language.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I love that. And they both apologize. Ferris Bueller meaning
he's a little mischievous, He's gonna kind of do things
and he's not gonna ask for permission, which is Ferris
Bueller's Day Off remains one of the great films comedies
of all time. But I think what he's saying is
he's gonna do what he wants to do. He's had
sixty one snaps in college. He comes in with kind
of an identity and this is what I do, and
(23:31):
he's trying to get that little mischievous I'm gonna do
things without asking for permission out of that. But I
will say about bow Nicks, he may not throw it,
not big deep ball thrower. He is way more athletic
than people give him credit for. He can not Jayden Daniels,
but the dude can move.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I feel like he's probably as athletic as Caleb Williams.
I don't know that. Is that crazy to say it?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, he's not as big as Caleb. Not his power thrower.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We're quicker man.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
When he hits those holes running scrambling, Knicks can pick
up five eight ten yards easily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And here's the edit thing. Offensively, I'm not surprised because
I think their personnel is better than people think. Offensively,
their defense is plan out of its mom.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It helps when Gardner Minshew throws the ball right to
Patrick Sartan for one hundred yard pick six, and the
Raiders have a lot of problems. I wouldn't get too excited, however,
look at the bow Nicks numbers the first two games
versus the next three.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
We gotta screen here.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I want to see that Nick started out struggling the
first two games, and he's rebounded since that Tampa game.
Five touchdowns, zero interceptions, like the turnovers have stopped all
three rookie quarterbacks, by the way, one this Sunday. Remember
we talked briefly about that they were all favored. I
was like, they all won.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Go look at Caleb Williams first ten quarters and his
last ten quarters. He is a completely different player. And
to your point, we're seeing that with bow Next.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Jade Daniels is just a superstar already. But yeah, shout
out the bow Nicks. Hey man, they've turned it around. Denver.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think Denver and and the Chargers are going to
be watching this Kansas City game tonight very closely.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I think it's going to be are the Chiefs susceptible?
Here comes Denver? I know Denver's defense.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Interesting final story is major League baseball boy, this series
has been fascinating, intense.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, you got out of handing.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Each other very much. So.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
So here's a fellow by the name of Jurickson Profar
of the Padres. He had an awesome robbery of a
Mookie Bets home run in the first inning, just stole
it from the fans.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
However, that flexing that he did after the robbery started
to get to work back back and forth of words
with the fans, and in the seventh inning a Dodger
fan threw a baseball at him from the stands.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was he was irate.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Uh. And after the game he kind of sounded off.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
And what I said was just now, you can't hurt someone,
get all of our people and and San Diego, don't
don't don't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I gotta tell you something. The talent between these two rosters'
six Hall of Fame ve robbery.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Watch. Watch. This is just a tremendous play. I thought
it was going. The announcers were like, is it out?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Nobody knew so he was dissing the fans.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, that's that's a cool move.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What was wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Later though, Manny Machado.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I don't know if you saw him exchange the stuff
he was telling the guy meet me in the parking lot.
I'll see you outside to the picture for the Dodgers
who got shelled. I'm just telling you this Game three
on Tuesday in pet Goo is gonna be crazy because
you know, the Padres fans are all worked up.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm not gonna lie they might win this year. I
worried about the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They lost a picture right a couple like a week
ago a Mosgrove. They if they had that is like
Podrey fans are freaking out. I think when you're close
to aus talented as the team you're facing and you
have nothing to lose, and the pressures on the Dodgers,
(26:59):
I kind of think and Diego's gonna win the series.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Oh, Tony had a home run in his second That
bat is awesome, blast.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I was watching that Saturday night over some of the
college football.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Oh yeah, and he hasn't done much since. This is
Game three is gonna be big. You don't want to
because got the producers. You ever been telling me, listen,
the Dodgers pitching's not it's.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
The Dodgers Podrays. I don't. I don't follow baseball ratings.
It has a chance to be one of the highest
regular season well no, it's playoffs now one of the
highest non World Series ratings in a long time. I mean,
this is just divisional round.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
And Philly's Mets, by the way, is excellent.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well, you know what's funny about that series.
The Mets all year long, eight ninth inning, come from behind.
So they did it in the first game, they almost
did it, they did it in the second, and the
Philly score that series. It's just the way the Mets
are built, late inning offense. That series will be insane.
But the quality of talent in the Podres Dodgers. I
(27:56):
wonder what if you take World Series ratings out the
last ten year, take all the World Series stuff out,
what is the highest rated baseball game? Don't count the
All Star Game, the home run Derby or those event games.
I'm talking any baseball game not in the World Series.
What is the highest rating?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And Padres are attractive, right, They got a lot of
young dudes, They got the Swagy Yeah exactly, and that
is what is attracting. I believe young fans, the old
old school guys. They don't like that the bat flings
and all that. I love that stuff. I don't know
about you.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Pretty fun Jamicklin News.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So I do want to talk about Buffalo because I'm
starting to think that Buffalo has the wrong coach for
a superstar quarterback. So Buffalo, this is unforgivable. And I'm
not somebody that beats up on play calling by coaches.
I don't know who's injured, who's healthy. I think in
our business it's too many hosts or overwrought, ripping play calling.
(28:57):
There's a lot more that goes into a game than
just a single play. But it was tied at twenty.
You're deep in your own territory. Your quarterback just got
his head banged into and he's not playing well. Your
run game's kind of effective. Houston has three timeouts, forced
Houston to use them because there's not much time left,
and yet Buffalo only burns sixteen seconds because they passed
(29:20):
it three straight times. I'm I'm that is unforgivable and
that's on the heels. A couple of weeks ago from
that zany weird trick play against the Ravens that just
muted all your momentum. I don't think you'd won that
game anyway, but it was a weird call that McDermott
had to address. So it just doesn't make sense, Like
(29:43):
there are certain things in football. When there's you know,
thirty five seconds in a game, it's twenty twenty, you're
on the road, you are kind of effectively running the ball.
Your quarterback just got hurt and he's having his worst
game as a pro, and you didn't even have your
best slot receiver available. So it was just a terrible
day for Josh Allen and you're gonna ask him deep
in the territory on the road to fling it up
(30:05):
the field three times. Therefore, Houston gets it back, doesn't
have to move it much, gets a field goal, and
wins the game. Coaching lost that game, and again we
Buffalo is way too noisy when it comes to coaching,
game management and coordinators. The Dorsey blow up, the Goofy
(30:25):
trick play. It's just it's way too noisy. And again,
Josh got hurt, didn't have a slot receiver. You just
run the ball. Texans take three timeouts. Maybe you lose
the game in overtime. I get it. You can't lose
like that. There are losses that you're like, hey, chalk
(30:45):
it up to a bad call, chalk it up to
a bad day the weather. That is totally on the
head coach. Here's Sean McDermott after you.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
Know, that's on me that the end of game situation
on offense, they're on three time outs a good show
goal kicker when you need to run the clock and
move the chains, and that's on me. We didn't do
that there, and that's my fault. I love Josh with
the ball in his hands, you know I do. And
you know again, efficient offense was that was the right
(31:15):
approach there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And listen, Andy Reid in crisis feels like a life
preserver for the Chiefs. Sean McDermott in crisis is starting
to feel like a kettle ball for the Bills. He
is pulling them down. And those losses the last couple
of weeks are to teams that you'll probably have an
(31:36):
opportunity to play in the postseason, and you're giving home
field up. And Buffalo is one of the great home
field advantages due to weather, and they're crowd noise in
the league, so You're just giving up home field advantage.
Nobody wants to go to Buffalo in January. Nobody wants
to go to Buffalo. I mean, forget Josh Allen. If
you're a good team and you're a better roster, you
(31:57):
don't want to go up to Buffalo outdoor, that crowd,
Josh Allen, that weather, You're just giving up home field advantage.
Brutal right. I don't even get it. I don't even
understand it. You ever have something in your life happened
and you're like, did I miss something? What am I
(32:18):
not getting? So I go online and people are freaking out,
and I'm like, Okay, all right, just saw I'm not crazy.
They're doing something here that is unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
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Speaker 1 (32:48):
Apple all Right, can't wait for that, don't forget top
of next hour, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
So I mean Dak was twenty nine of forty two,
three hundred and fifty yards, a couple of touchdowns, couple
of picks. Passer rating wasn't great. But you know, when
you pay a quarterback sixty million dollars, you occasionally need
(33:10):
them to be Superman, put on a cape and be
a superhero. And Dak he is a superhero, but it
feels he's like the Green Lantern, where he's officially a superhero,
we're not quite sure what he does. In fact, the
Green Lantern has a ring. Dak doesn't.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I don't know what to say. I mean, he was
two for five in the red zone with two turnovers
before the fifteen play drive. I don't know what to say.
It was a win. So his superpower is his EQ
And what I mean by that is Kirk Cousins who
have said Dak is a better athlete than Kirk Cousins.
(33:49):
Kirk's a better thrower, but they're the same guy. You
can tune into any Dak game in the third quarter
and you could watch him and you have no idea
if he's playing well or not. If Aaron throws pick,
he pouts, he's yelling at his offensive coordinator. He's ghosting guys.
He goes in a personal darkness retreat. In a game,
he gets sullen and dark. Dak and Kirk cousins, Kirk Thursday,
(34:13):
Dak Sunday Night. You can't tell. It's a vanity driven
franchise with ego everywhere, expectations through the roof. He's got
Ceenee Lamb barking at him, and like Dak, doesn't care. Unflappable, stoic,
grown up adult high IQ high EQ, and that matters
a lot. Now. A lot of the great all time
(34:34):
quarterbacks sometimes were barkers, and they're very emotional. You can
do that, But in this franchise, I could argue he
is the perfect personality for what Dallas is. A noisy,
vanity driven franchise, and Dacton appear to have much of
an ego. He's confident without being cocky. And again, he
(34:57):
was not good in the red zone on the road.
Ceedee Lamb started banging on Dak on the sidelines, and
did Dak get into a whizzing match with him. No,
he ignored him. Actually literally ignored him in the second
half and used all the B and C guys and
engineered to win on the road. So it's a road win.
(35:19):
You didn't have Micah, you didn't play particularly well in
the red zone, situational football. So for Dak, it's kind
of what Dak does.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
And here he was after the upste downs, debs and flows,
a lot of things that Mike preaches on two minutes
and for us to just stay resilient win the game
in two minutes was one of those games. Okay, how
long do you play, You'll never forget it. And so
I just kept saying, let's make it and make it
one to remember. And I think we did that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Now, you desperately needed to win last night because the
Cowboys schedule, this is the tough part of it. It's
not early and late their schedule. Now look at this
puppy Detroit at San Francisco, at Atlanta, rival Philly, Houston
at suddenly Great Washington. Joe Burrow is right after the Giants,
(36:10):
and the Giants offensive line is we talked about this
about three weeks ago. If you're paying attention to the
Giants their own line and they've drafted it, and put
money into it. It's good. I don't know what ranks
this morning on PFF, but that Giants O line totally
dominated Seattle in the Dallas' D line. Again, Pittsburgh doesn't
(36:32):
know what they're doing offensively. They're lost. The Giants is
not an easy out. Really good coach, excellent D line,
excellent O line. Giants won a game in the Pacific Northwest,
three thousand miles away without Molik Neighbors or singletary like.
That's so, it was like Daniel Jones was doing his
thing and Jamact doesn't like him, and I I'll just
(36:55):
say this. In New York, they want to run the
coach out of town. In the other New York, the Giants,
you should give him an extension. They are getting everything
out of Daniel Jones. He no longer. This is what
Kevin O'Connell's done with Donald. He's coached the reckless out
of him. So you get big athletic Donald making places.
(37:15):
Daniel Jones doesn't throw picks anymore. He's not fumbling the
ball anymore. He was a turnover machine. He was justin fields.
They've coached that all out of him, and they don't
even have I mean, obviously next year they got to
upgrade their running back room. They dominated Seattle. This was
not I don't care what the score was. Seattle was
never on the field. They completely called own the line
(37:38):
of scrimmage that game, I don't care what it was.
Ten to ten, Seattle's offense was three and out, quick, quick, quick.
Giants went on long drives. That Giants team, the one
that nobody's talking about in New York, the one that
has the trophies, is actually going to be a really
tough out. I don't love Daniel Jones, but what you're
seeing with the Giants that is coaching. If we're gonna
(38:01):
love Kevin O'Connell because Darnold's got more natural ability than
Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones to me, I'm sitting there watching
him yesterday and I'm like, it's a little Alex Smith.
The ceiling's a little lower, but he's big, he moves,
he's not making mistakes. He's clearly coachable. This guy was
a fumble disaster. He's not so not all coaches. You
(38:25):
can look at just wins day Ball is coaching that
you know what, out of this team, they are competitive
and that O line just ate the Seahawks alive in
a really tough environment to play, and I know you
want to only hear it, J Mack, but that Giants
team is gonna be a spoiler. That division's been turned
(38:46):
upside down. It's the Giants O line and D line,
and it's Washington's entire operation right now.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Who Obviously, I'm the idiot who loved Seattle.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You might well we got.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We got sucked into the Moliku neighbors thing.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
But we did give out the whole face to Detroit
Lions the next week.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Teams feel beat up and they get smashed. We gave
that out.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The other one that I missed, Colin, I'm really ticked
that I missed this. This is Seattle's early season schedule
at home against Denver fly across the Country to New
England fly back home play, Miami fly back to the Midwest,
played Detroit fly back home play the Giant They looked
exhausted first quarter. They got just run over. I think
they had like two yards in the first quarter. The
(39:29):
Giants had like two hundred, some insane number. But it
was just a bad spot for Seattle. I don't read
too much into it, and I'm sorry to report. The
New York Giants still stink at football.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
They are not good. I mean, let's just please just stop.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There, dude. There are few teams in the NFL that
have a better O line D line combination than the Giants.
They're top five in that most of these teams that
have good D lines have bad O lines. Their O
line D line combo and their coach is real.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Bengals by thirty this week.
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