October 7, 2024 • 40 mins
Where Colin was right and wrong
More on the Bills loss to the Texans and how bad this looks for HC Sean McDermott
Thoughts on the rest of the NFL games over the weekend
Guest: Matt Hasselbeck
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, It is our two. It is a Monday.
Michael Irvan, next hour, Matt Hasselback in five minutes, live
in Los Angeles. It is The Herd on a Monday. Baby,
we are just starting. We're not even close to halfway there.
J mac is Ulick at the wounds this morning. Off
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that jet L. At least you got that l out
of the way and could enjoy the rest of your afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh yeah, it was just a great day.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
After I woke up at six point thirty to watch
the Jets go through.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I went out with a buddy, had a big dinner,
lassa vino, came home, crash, woke up, boom, first Series
ready to roll.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It just wasn't a good Sunday for me. Fortunately, Saturday
was awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I mean, Vanderbilt Minnesota, like everything came through Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Just not good. Four to oh in fantasy football. I
know you care deeply, right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Not at all, No, though I do appreciate the updates.
Colin right, Colin wrong. We do it every Monday. Here
it is where Colin was right. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, I
said they wouldn't be a playoff team. I questioned their
old line being jumbled together. I thought Nat Hackett was
one of the weaker offensive coordinators. And here's the other thing.
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Aaron's forty off an injury, and he wasn't great his
last year in Green Bay. The other New York team
is better. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I think
they're poorly coach from a coordinator perspective, and the Jets,
shocking are good on defense and underachieving on offense. Tell
me if you've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, the Bengals will not bounce back and be a
playoff team. Listen, Joe Burrow had a bad pick. Welcome
to the NFL. He's got twelve tds and two picks
this year and one hundred and fourteen passer rating. They
are so bad defensively, and they were short sighted letting
Joe Mixon go because he could at least help time
a possession. They are second worst defense in the league.
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The game was wildly entertaining, but I mean, this is
what you do when you're literally selling off parts a
year in advance of having to pay Jamar Chase. This
is what it looks like a track meet every Sunday.
Where Colin was right, I said Cliff Kingsbury was the
higher of the offseason, that he and Jayden Daniels wouldn't
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make the playoffs. It's better than I thought, but right now, offensively,
this was my shock pick in the NFL last year.
Houston was shocked everybody. I said, this is the team
that'll make the playoffs. I didn't think they'd beat this
profound third straight game with at least thirty four points.
But Kingsbury, he had used this offense similar styles to
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other young quarterbacks, so Jaden Daniels and Cliff was a
predictable and ideal fit where Colin was raw. You know,
I thought the Bills were over their nonsense, but once again,
it's a franchise with a brilliant quarterback and you can't
trust them in big spots. Their late game management yesterday
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was unforgivable. McDermott is you know. I think he's organized
the structures in place, but I don't trust this team.
Josh Allen was one for sixteen on throws of ten
yards or more. He had one of his worst games,
and they're the opposite of the Chiefs in big spots.
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I have no trust for Buffalo once again, which has
been the story for years. Where Colin was right Caleb Williams,
I said it's going to take time, but I predicted
even if they only win seven games, you'll feel better
about it. Four straight weeks. The passer rating is improved.
And here's the thing. Now they have a semblance of
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a run game. CJ. Stroud as good as he is,
no Joe Mixon, it's not the same. So Caleb is
more poised. His first ten quarters, he had a fifty
seven passer rating. In Caleb's last ten quarters, it's right
up against one ten. The Bears are three and two,
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and regardless of the total wins, they finally have a
franchise quarterback in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I picked Denver as the best over under bet in
the NFL. I said their personnel offensively is better than
you think. And bow Nicks right now has them on
a three game win streak. And this is a football
team that's defense is surprisingly good. But boy Vegas had
these guys at five and a half wins and I'm like,
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we don't know they should get two with the Raiders.
We don't know, So how good the Chargers are going
to be in their schedule was kind of workable right
now Denver. It's not ridiculous if you look at their
schedule to think if they don't make the playoffs, they
could knock a few teams out of it in November
and December.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
USC is not ready for the Big Ten. Pushed around
by Michigan and pushed around by Minnesota. The Golden Golfers
played with more intensity, more urgency, more passion, and they
were more physical. They ran for one hundred and ninety
three yards. USC's bad tackling from years past has re emerged.
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They're five and seven in their last twelve. They better
pray their left tackle doesn't get hurt because they have
no depth at left or right tackle on the offensive
line and they just don't have enough high end elite players.
And now Lincoln Riley is getting to me. Impatient, walls
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closing in. Listen to this silly thing after the game.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Jamilka tef feel like that last cuts down they got
in from Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Job.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Don't ask him, I say, don't ask him now yet?
Next question on the who cares what he says on
that b what player's opinion?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Let's ask a more professional question.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh brother, grow up right? Kirk Cousins. First Place media
was crushing Atlanta for getting Kirk and drafting Pennis, and
I said, are you telling me it's a problem in
the NFL to have the best quarterback in your division
and the best backup? Kirk's a total pro, unflappable, high
IQ and EQ. He compares to me favorably with Dak Prescott.
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You cannot tell what he's done when he gets to
a big drive late in the game. He's not moody,
he doesn't pout. He's a pro. He's responsible. And once
again Atlanta, who I picked to be a potential number
one seed because of their schedule, it looks like the
young guys are coming around. Kyle Pitts finally's emerging. It
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takes some guys a while. How about that where Colin
was right. I said the Mets, Phillies, Podres Dodgers had
a chance to be the best two weeks in memory
in the National League. These series are insane, the Dodgers
and Podres. The fans got involved yesterday because of the
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way the Mets play. Their games are all white knuckle
in the eighth and ninth innings. Here's a couple of
home runs over the last couple of days in these
series yesterday, and these are turning out to be as
intense or more intense. And we thought it would be
the best two weeks in the National League in years.
Here you go, runners still at first and second with
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two away.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Here's a two to one. There was as there any down.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Sohail Tani Horiz in.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
October put a three run home run once who pitched
to Castianos in the left field.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Don't lie, it's a fair ball.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Head of Phillies head tied the Sillies back to Queens Blana, Peace, Testiana.
Stay hello, I don't know what the TV ratings are.
You cannot turn these games off. I don't remember the
last year where you had more great players, more great
stadium environments like four for four on stadium environments. They're
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all great, they all jump off the TV, and not
just because they're on Fox. We said, this is gonna
be insane. This gut feel like nineteen eighty five baseball,
and that's exactly what it feels like. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
And with that we bring in our Monday guy. Eighteen
years in the NFL, multiple Pro Bowls, got the Seahawks
are there for Super Bowl. Man Hasselbeck is joining us live.
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Did you ever, by the way, did you ever play
a London game or a European game mat in it.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
My first game in the NFL, though, was in Tokyo.
We played a preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Actually sprained my tailbone in that game, so I had
to fly back basically standing up the whole time. So
that was the only negative, but it was a good
time otherwise.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So I always kind of give those London games a
little bit of a pass. You know, the favorites tend
to play well. Here. Here's I think sometimes expectations create happiness.
And I looked at the Jets and I thought, don't
love the oc O line. Could be good, but it's
a lot of new parts, quarterbacks, forty office surgery, like
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the defense a lot. Everybody's gonna blame Sola, but I
like it. And I said, boy, if Garrett Wilson Sprain's
an ankle, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I
have on the outside. I look at the Jets and
is it just about expectations were unrealistic or are they
playing terrible? I mean, Minnesota's rosters offensively the elite. Maybe
this is just what they are, A solid team that's
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going to be like eight wins and not twelve, which
was predicted.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Well, I agree with you about the London game.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Sometimes time zone field surface, you go over there as
a tourist instead of a business trip. You know, there's
a lot of kind of funky stuff that goes into that.
But I've been saying for weeks to you, like, I
just really don't love watching the Jets offense.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
They just look like they're a one man show.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I feel like I'm watching an NBA game where it's like, hey,
everybody clear out and let me do my thing.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
And I just don't think that's the best thing.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
At this point in Aaron Rodgers's career, I think you
can have a ton of success with him. I think
you could be a super Bowl contender with him, but
not this kind of offense.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
This isn't it again.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
He needs to be a point guard, not the Michael
Jordan running the three. And that's what you see right now.
And then I also think there's like an element of
like togetherness and joy that comes with teams that are
like smile and hugging high five.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
And I just don't think you see that right now.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
And maybe it's because they're not playing great, but there's
a lot of room for improvement with this Jets team
right now.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So I said before the season, I said, listen, the
windows in this league, because there's a regulated level of violence,
they close really quick. You thought the Seahawks was gonna
last forever. Like three years in you're like, oh, we
got to get into their trophy. And I went into
the season with San Francisco and I said, the names
are big Debo and Kittle and Christian, but I'm like,
come on, guys. You can't keep relying on guys. They're
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a very physical operation and I watch them and Purdy's
gonna get beat up a little bit because you know,
everybody's like Brock purty he this this, but my takeaway
is without Christian McCaffrey, they don't have a lot of
juice in the red zone. I like a lot of elements,
but I don't fear them. It doesn't feel that. It's
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almost like the names matt are bigger than the players
and production. Like, I know they're great, but I watched them,
and I watched Arizona yesterday, and Arizona had the twitch ear,
younger tight end running back, you know, more athletic quarterback.
And I'm like, I'm not so sure Arizona is not
as good. We don't like their name, but what do
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you make of what the Niners are now?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, well, Arizona's coming on. But I woant to give
up on the Niners. I mean, the Niners are a
really good team. They they haven't eight they have not
been able to keep leads, and they've blown a couple
of leads this year. Otherwise we would think about them differently.
But we're gonna find out because it gets tough for
the Niners. They go Thursday night at Seattle, they got
Kansas City, they got Dallas.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean, we're gonna find out real quick what this
team is made of.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And I think they're the I think they're made of
the right stuff. I mean, you know, I believe in
the quarterback. Obviously they got to improve, but I think
that sometimes you can almost improve more as a team
when you have tough losses, like you don't when you win.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Sometimes you just sweep some stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Under the rug and like, oh, yeah, but we won.
When you lose, you look at everything and uh. And
they will get their horses back at some point, They'll
be a different team.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You know, I've compared Dak to Kirk Cousins super High EQ.
If you just dropped into a game in the third
quarter and Dak had four picks, you'd never know. His
personality doesn't change. Same with Kirk Cousins. There is something
about in a vanity driven franchise, his maturity. He's an adult.
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We had some cultural changes in America a few years ago,
and Dak in a conservative town with Jerry Jones, like
just good at the podium and I watched him last night.
You did this for eighteen years. I think there's some
things he doesn't do well, but god, he's just unflappable.
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How do you view Dak?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, I would agree, and I think being the quarterback
of the Dallas Cowboys will do that to you. But
you know, there's a saying in quarterback rooms, don't flinch,
don't flinch, don't blink. You know, next play and you know,
he takes his team down, throws the game winner. The
play before that, though, he misses the same receiver wide
open in the back of the end zone. Yeah, I mean,
actually I think he hits him in the privates. The
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guy almost had to come out of the game, and
then luckily there was a time out and he was like, man,
I can't not be on the field for this last
play of the game.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
But that's what it is to be a great quarterback.
That last play that happened. You got to just let
it go.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That plays over, We're moving on to the next. And
I do think Dak Prescott's unflappable. He doesn't care what
people say about him. He seems like he and Mike
McCarthy are just kind of in lockstep. And you know,
I just think that's the way you got to be
as a quarterback. And it's not all about Dak with
that team, but he is a very very important piece
to that puzzle, and you saw it last night.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
He came through for his team when they needed him
at the end.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Can you explain to me, Josh Allen has the credibility,
the talent, and the gravitas that if something was called
in late in the game that and maybe I would
think you would at the end of your career, middle
of your career, to say, guys, we're not going to
do three straight passes here. I'm fuzzy, I got hit.
We're not going to do this. Should I give a
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little blame on Josh not just saying, you know, guys,
we got to burn time out from Houston. I don't
like banging on coaches for play calling. I don't know
who's healthy, I don't know what's available and not available.
I don't like doing it. But Matt, that was brutal,
like that jumps off the TV screen. Should Josh have
said something?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Well, I'm probably the wrong person ask because I'm fired
up today about how that head injury concussion situation was
handled with Josh Allen. I thought it was embarrassing, kind
of disgusting, kind of a joke. So we'll just put
that to a side for just a second. But I
think what happens in the NFL right now is a
lot of coaches they go to an analytics chart and
they don't take into consideration the human element and like
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what's going on in the game. This obviously was not
a game that Josh Allen was having a lot of
success in.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I don't think he completed a pass.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
You know, after that situation that I talked about, I mean,
you're inside the five yard line. It makes absolutely no sense.
Here's what happens in the NFL. You have a backed
up plan. What are we going to call inside the
five yard line? If you look at the analytics on that,
the teams that do the best are the ones that
take shots downfield, not the teams that like get into
big people.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
And just run, run, run, punt.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And so I think, like, you take your backed up
plan and then you just throw it into a there's
less than a minute to go in the game, you're
going to have a really confusing result.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And I think that was the I think that's.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
What everyone looked that was watching the game. They were
looking at like, what on earth are these guys doing
right now? They're asking to lose this game in regulation?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
That's the way I saw it. Again.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You know, people will you know, get all over the outcomes.
I'm more of a process driven person, but I just
strongly disagree.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I thought that was a real head scratcher.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, and to your point during this question about the
concussion and the smelling salt, if you watch two of
those last passes, one of them Josh missus badly and
it's not by Josh Allen standards, it's a makeable play.
Do you think that contributed to it? That you just
he was fuzzy.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Here's the thing, this is a crazy thing. Like times
I've been hit. Sometimes when you're concussed, it.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Like you play better at times.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
It's like Floyd right in the song when they're stoned
out of their minds, like you can't explain it. But
like so I don't think you can, Like you can't
necessarily judge it by that. I don't think that's what
you should be judging. I think you should be judging
just the process that we evaluate players and how we
go through it. And then and then I think probably
what gets me fired up is when you know then
you hear thinking, oh no, it was just my ankle.
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That's what they said with Tua, it's his ankle. You
don't give someone smelling salts for an ankle injury.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Go watch the tape.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
There's no ankle injury that no one's limping around. It's
clear as day what happened. So, you know, ultimately, I
just think that this is something I'm passionate about. We've
worked a long long time in the NFL to kind
of improve player health and safety and process, but honestly,
just taking that out of it, taking that out of
it the game management.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
And I love that coaching staff, I love that team.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I'm a huge Josh Allen fan, but that was a
head scratcher and they they they just really kind of
blew the game management part of that one.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So there are games in the NFL that you as
players are probably getting on a flight going home thinking
that was a big win, and me and the media
we just like, Giants won in Seattle. But I watched
their O line and D line domination, and Daniel Jones,
Brian Dabeles coached the reckless out of him, No elite neighbors,
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no singletary, rough trip, hard place to play, as you know,
And I watched that and I'm like, are the Giants good?
That feels like a much bigger win flying home that
Dable and a staff are like fellows. We got a
squad here, then we'll get attention today.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Your thoughts, yeah, no doubt especially I mean the Giants
haven't had a lot of success up there. I don't
feel like And I would just say with Daniel Jones,
I think we all piled on on that team and
that quarterback early on because of how training camp went
and what they looked like against the Minnesota Vikings early.
They were great yesterday, I mean they really would. I
mean even you know the touchdown that was given to Seattle,
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that was a close call at the goal line.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
But I would just say this about Brian dave Ball.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
If you're going to look for one thing, if you're
a Giants fan, or even if you're not, check out
the launch point where he throws the ball from, particularly
on the two touchdowns, the launch point, changing the launch point.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
If you don't have the best offensive line.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Now they've upgraded their offensive line, Yes, if you're going
to struggle with crowd noise or pass protection, change where
the quarterback throws the ball from. It's not going to
be seven and a half yards right behind the center
every single time.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
And so two on his two touchdown passes yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Really cool and creative. I think Schmid's the center. He's
pulling one way, pulling back the other way. They just
did a I thought it was a really good game plan.
And Brian dave Ball is going to take a lot
of heat because he's in New York. But I thought
they did a great job with their execution and their
plan yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So Caleb Williams for the last ten quarters, he's played well.
I thought bow Knicks, who's more athletic than I'll get
credit for. So bow Nicks and Sean Payton get into
a screaming match. And I know Sean pretty well, and
Sean is intense, okay, which I love about him. He's passionate,
and they're arguing in yelling and then you know, ceedee
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Lamb's doing that with Dak. But there was something about
bo Nicks and Peyton. They went back and forth. Are
you good with it?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Explain it?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Your thoughts on that it happens?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Man, like it happens. I mean, Sean Payton's fiery. Anybody
that knows him knows that. I mean, Mike Holmgren was
that way. He's very fiery. On game day, he didn't
expect it at bo Nicks, I would say, and like,
probably the same thing like when I home, when Coach
Holmgren and I went at it like you didn't expect
it from me. I do think this is a perfect match. Though,
you know, people say, who does bow Knicks remind you of?
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Like I'm trying not to say Drew Brees, but like
there's a lot of Drew Brees in his game, And
I just think when you talk about fit, this quarterback,
this play caller is a really nice fit.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah. By the way, Drew Brees didn't move better early
in his career. You remember the old Drew when he
was a pocket guy. But Drew was a good athlete,
and early in his career he moved around, and bow
Knicks moves around. So I do think it's the comp
and Matt Hasselback as oh was great stuff. And I
love that you talk about the Josh Allen situation because
that stuff is outrageous. And the reality is what makes
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this game great is not only the stars and the talent,
but it's protecting them because the men are getting bigger
and stronger, and so it does matter. It does matter
that we protect not only the stars, special teams, gunners, everybody,
and I love that you're passionate about it. I do
respect that well.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I just think I think the NFL has done a
great job of leading in this area, and it trickles
down to college, high school, youth sports. Football's never been safer,
and I'd like to, you know, just basically stay on
that path. I thought it was a big step back
backwards yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Matt, as always, I love having you on Monday. Thanks Bud.
Appreciate it all right, Matt hasselback eighteen years in the league.
It was Saturday was nuts. I mean, who had Bandy
beating Bama on their Bengo cart. I was like, and
by the way, I can't say anything because I have
Tennessee went in the national title and the minute USC
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law then Vandy beat Bama. I'm like, uh, Tennessee's toast Arkansas.
It's over. It was one of those college football does
this once or twice a year. Everybody loses. The games
are nuts, And you wouldn't have predicted if you had
have said, oh, Tennessee at Arkansas, Bamitt Vandy last weekend
was better. And then you're watching col Miami it was
a wild and then you have the baseball games on.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, college football this weekend. The games are unbelievable. Hopefully
you're not planning anything with the wife any like. Anniversary stuff.
Is the greatest Saturday in college football coming up, apparently
in the last like five years.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
When you look at the matchups of ranked teams, it's
a really good one.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Hopefully I'm not, you know, being respectful to my wife
and having breakfast with her.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, no, it's off the table.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Weddings are off the table. A nice lunch with my
wife a mimosa is not off the tables.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
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Speaker 1 (23:01):
Michael Irvin last hour, the Miami Hurricanes won, the Dallas
Cowboys won. I'm sure he'll be nuanced, reasonable and without emotion,
just joking. He's all fired up. Miami's got their first
great team in a long time, and it's you know
you text me yesterday Jamack did and he said, like,
who's good in the NFL? And I'm like Kansas City
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and they keep winning narrowly. I think what college and
pro football want. George is not the same team, and
LSU's okay, And I think Ohio State's really good and
Oregon's really good and they'll meet. I think Texas and
Ohio State looked like they could be special. Alabama's defense
isn't good, George's O line's not that great. I think
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there's a bunch of good teams. I think Ohio State
Texas are the only teams I look at and go,
you know, though, girl, these are young kids. They could
be in eight weeks really special teams, and they look
the part. But there's just a lot of good and
it means a lot of upsets. This is trying to
predic this year's NFL lines. Everybody's either kind of good
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or averager not very good. They're very very little, great
and awful in the NFL. Cleveland's awful, but not much
after that. Jmack with a news No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And even those college football teams you said are kind
of in another class. Texas has Oklahoma this week, yes,
and Ohio State has.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oregon in Eugene. I like Oregon, and I've said this,
do you think I think Oregon will beat them, and
then Ohio State will face them again later and beat
the Ducks. Because I think Texas Ohio State will play
for the Natty, but I don't think. I don't think
necessarily anybody's going undefeated. No, no, no, definitely, And I
think Eugene it will be the loudest Eugene's ever been in.
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Ohio State has no idea. It's half the size of
Ohio State Stadium. I've been in both. Oregon's louder because
it's built into the ground. Oregon is the second loudest
stadium I've ever been into Gainesville, Florida, which is built
like sound can't get out of the building.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But Ohio State has the best freshman receiver in the country.
No disrespect to Ryan Williams at Alabama.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
This kid Smith.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Did you see the one hit a cat?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
He's awesome.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
All right, Let's get started with Major League Baseball Phillies Mets.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's been a great watch so far and game won.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
The Mets offense pounded the Phillies bullpen scored five in
the eighth.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
New York won six to two.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
In Game two.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Last night, Nick Castillanos hit a walk off RBI single
to tie the series at one colin. Game three is
set for Tuesday on FS one. Going back to New York.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How about the Mets. So their whole thing is they
got really hot in like mid June on and they're
great late in games. But it is so weird that
a team in baseball can struggle offensively for stretches and
be you can't get them out in late innings. It's
just we knew this series would be good Philly, New York.
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But the style of the Mets, which is late game
surges and the Phillies should be favored. I mean they
should be favored. This has upset written all over it.
It's just these This is baseball. This is what baseball
felt like fifteen years ago. When I was at the
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other place. You would go home, you couldn't wait for
the games to start. You could be a casual, You
couldn't wait for the games to start. This is the
best I'm trying to think of the last time I
felt it was like Yankee Red Sox series, where you
could you'd be thinking about it all day. Even if
you're on a diehard baseball fan, you couldn't wait for
the game to start. These nationally games are nuts.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You were in Connecticut at that time.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, I was in New York and Yankees, I
mean Yankee you thought about it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Where ever, you could literally turn on sports radio and
talk about an inning for four hours and never get bored.
It was fascinating.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Who could probably recite the Yankees' lineup from that time
and not know who the quarterback of the Jets or
Giants were back? Well, actually the Giants was Eli Manning.
But it was a great time for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
American.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
How about this Philadelphia at home? That crowd is crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think got Bryce Harper?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Does he is?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
He having a good series so far?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yet a home run?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's good. He's a good player.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
He's a good player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yes, Next up is Lamar Jackson Boy Ravens. Got lucky.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Sorry, they got lucky coming back from down ten twice
in the fourth quarter to force overtime and got a.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Real I mean again, so fortunate. I say luck.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Some people will say finding ways to win. Cincinnati had
a botch snap Colin, But if you want to take
it back to Taylor after recovering the fumble, went ultra conservative.
Joe Burrow has like one of the great days of
the season, and they hand the ball off three times.
They just don't take any chances to move the football,
settling for a.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Fifty Taylor's game management wasn't Sean McDermott bad, but it was,
as Ryan will tell you, it was regrettable.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Now, Lamar himself was upset with fumbling the snap, almost
costing his team in the game.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Here's Lamar talking about it afterward.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
It's not an exciting win for me at all, not
how the game ended, especially with overtime, dropping a bond
and a fumble happened. So I'm ticked off like that.
I didn't want to put my defense back out there
and were doing an off the line doing a great job,
was doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But we got it done. So it's it's cool. We
got to win best watch in the NFL. Baltimore Ravens
they are at wait are people still doubting the Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well he is what as what electrifying fun player?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes that's obvious, but he wins almost eighty percent of
his games regular season.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well that that is ninety percent of the season. Okay,
I feel display was this play doesn't even make sense
in video games.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
God, he's alacoric.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I don't want to make this too much about the
Bengals because the Ravens are, you know, running hot and
everybody loves them. Now, the Bengals have scored thirty three
and thirty eight points in their last two whole games
seventy one and they lost both of them.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
What's what's going on with the bat?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Like, something's got to change here. I've been out on
the head coot for the longest time. You know that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I'm not on out of the coach. I'm out
on the owner.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You can't well you can't dump the owner though, but
that's not gonna solve What's gonna solve the Bengals at
this point.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They sell the team. I'm just telling you they're cheap.
Why is it that what San Francisco and Philadelphia can
always find money? They are moving off guys a year
before Jamar Chase is gonna sign. Yeah, all about the
bottom line. I'm sorry. Maybe they're all using a different bang,
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but it just seems to me Detroit pays their guys,
and Francisco to remember.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
If they don't watch the staff, the conversation is reversed.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, but they do well.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They they did. It was it was a tough one
for the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I feel for their fans, including the producer on staff
who's a huge Bengals fan. Final story, Colin is sorry
for more bad news, but USZ took another el. Minnesota
beat them by seven.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They were in.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Minnesota was an eight point dog. The Trojans fell out
of the ap top twenty five.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know what bothers me, what's this The lack of intensity.
Minnesota was so passionate, it so intentional, cared so much,
and it was with the game plan, didn't have a
lot of clever, not a lot of motion. It was
kind of like, hey, let's get in here. It's a
work business trip, let's win. It's like they didn't respect
Minnesota enough. Minnesota. If you turn the sound down and
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just watched Minnesota play their passion they were And I
know it's a home game and you get riled up.
But the edit thing is, once again USC's tackling is
a major problem.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Okay, let's spin it forward. This is a tough game
in the Midwest. Listen, these teams are not going to
roll over for USC.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Can't lose to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Minnesota and Michigan are not great football teams and they
both beat USC.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Penn State travels to the Coliseum this weekend. Penn State's
high as.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Number four in the country, and they have a rush
in that USC will not be able to blow it. Well,
I'm already going out here on Monday doing my big
ten bet.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Give me USC in this game. I like us well.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I do think it's hard to ask a team to
travel collegiately three thousand miles in place your best.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
But these home games are huge the NFL. The home
field is in.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's just shrunk right down to a point a game
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
In college, it really matters. That's seen at Vanderbilt. Oh,
there are a lot of Alabama fans there.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That was a I watched Kentucky Georgia a few weeks ago.
Georgia unraveled on the road. Look look intimidated by the crowd.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm taking Ohio State of Oregon on the road. I
just think, what's the what's the number? I haven't seen
it yet. This morning could be on the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ohio State's better than Oregon, but you got to get
Oregon in college is worth six points that Oh my god.
The home field there is insane, in sane I.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Haven't been there. One of the best stadium experiences you've
been to collegiately.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, it's hard because Husky Stadium, where I went to
as a kid on the Lake, is special. But I
would say between Oregon and Washington people and the rest
of the country don't they don't have any idea. They're
totally different environments. Oregon at home, it is hard. You
have to EXPERIENSI it's like going watching you two live.
(32:03):
You can't watch a take. You got to go see
him in the Rose Bowl Guns N' Roses in their prime.
You had to see him live. Doesn't matter what YouTube provides.
Certain things you gotta see live. And I'm telling you
odds and is nuts. They're not gonna make it. Won't
be able to hear. They'll have snap count issues. They'll
they'll I mean, they'll have more penalties in Oregon. They
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won't be able to hear.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Penn State's a tough place to play.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Ohio State minus four.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
That's a figure number that I thought two and a half.
I was expected four, Right, go buck us Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
News Crazy Michael Irvan last hour. Think I mean October.
These baseball series tonight we get uh, we get Chief
Saints and then we get we get Yankees tonight. Yeah,
it's al tonight. Not as good as the NL, but
(33:08):
it's it's fine. It's on another network. We'll try to
squeeze it in.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 3 (33:22):
Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
After a huge win to take down Michigan, Washington takes
on Iowa in a Big ten class.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
It all starts at ten.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Am with Big Noon kickoff, followed by Washington Iowa at noon.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Only on Fox. For the record, since week two, you
bang it on the Giant, so take out the Minnesota
game week one. Since week two, Daniel Jones ninety nine
passer rating, five touchdowns, one pick, sixty eight percent completion percentage.
That is coaching. So the Niners is interesting because I
think I had Arizona over the weekend and I said
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Arizona was going to keep this thing real close. If
you watch the game and you didn't know the history
of Arizona, and you didn't know the history of San Francisco.
I think Arizona's got more. I thought they they're more
fun to watch, And I think what we're struggling to
acknowledge is and I love Kyle Shanahan, but it doesn't
feel like San Francisco has the magic. Well, the magic
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on offense is it's Christian McCaffrey. So the Niners last
year were the best red zone offense in the league,
meaning not only did they drive the ball down the field,
they were closers. Coffees for closers. They're still driving the ball,
they can't close in the end zone. Now they're one
of the worst red zone teams. Well, nothing's changed, the coach,
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the quarterback, the left tackle, the weapon. The only thing
that's changed. They even have a good running back, but
they don't have Christian McCaffrey. So now he's got dual
issues both legs. When he comes back, I think it
could play into their favor. He'll be really arrested he
comes back in week ten and plays for the next
ten weeks and launches them to the NFC Championship. Matt
(35:05):
Hasselback earlier today said don't sell your Niner stock I
wouldn't give.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Up on the Niners. I mean, the Niners are a
really good team. But we're gonna find out because it
gets tough for the Niners. They go Thursday night at Seattle,
they got Kansas City, they got Dallas. I mean, we're
gonna find out real quick what this team is made of.
And I think they're the I think they're made of.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
The right stuff. I mean, you know, I believe in
the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Obviously they got to improve, but I think that sometimes
you can almost improve more as a team when you
have tough losses, like you don't when you win.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Sometimes you just sweep some stuff under the rug and like, oh, yeah,
but we won. When you lose, you look at everything.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah. So I can oppose this to you, j mac. So,
one of the few players that you and I totally
disagree with has brought pretty One of the other players
you and I disagree with is Kyler Murray. So when
you watched them play yesterday, Murray was the playmaker in
(36:06):
the second half Brock on the you know on the
design plays by you know who, Kyle Shanahan. So when
you watch this game Kyler Murray against Brock, what was
your takeaway.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I thought Kyler was fantastic. Awesome fourth down pass to
Marvin Harrison. I love the early celebration here on the
touchdown run at the forty yard line. But I know
you like the reference Pro Football Focus, so I will
just point this out.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
According to PFF, brock Perty is the second best quarterback
in the league this year that he's graded out extremely well.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He's been phenomenal and he hasn't had all his weapons
all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Still, no McCaffrey. I think this was just a fluke
loss for the Niners. Come on, Jordan Mason with a random.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Fumble, kid, They had a block kick for a touchdown,
they had a Bosa interception. They're at home. It feels
like they needed to win.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, they've lost now two in the division zero and
two in the division with two fourth grade divisions.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
How about this take every division. I can look at
a team I trust, I don't like any I don't
trust any of the teams in the NFC West.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
You don't trust the Niners. No, So they got Seattle
on Thursday night. Any big game that Seattle, Seattle wins
this they open up a little bits of space on
the Niners, and San fran would be zero and three
in the division. That being said, we know it's all
about the postseason for San Francisco, Colin if they just
get healthy, nobody wants to see them in the playoffs, Nobody.
(37:33):
They're the most complete team in the league when everybody's healthy, Right, Okay,
that wasn't the result.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I think they've gotten old. I think they're very Christian
McCaffrey reliant. I don't feel like I can like the
pieces of a business, but then I look at it
as a whole and I'm like, I think they could
use a little bit of a reboot, a little younger,
a little fresher. And I also thing my buddy John
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Middlecoff on the podcast last night brought up a great point.
Kyle's been running this offense for so many years, and
half the league is copying the offense. San Francisco's not
fooling people like they did four and five years ago.
Half this league runs this offense now. So like like
Mike McDaniel came into the league, borrowed a lot of Shanahan,
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went east and first couple of years fooled people in Miami.
Now a lot of it's too obviously, but when you
give great defensive coordinators a couple years to catch up
on new stuff, they do Washington, what they're doing right now,
they're catching people off guard. And it's you're on a
treadmill in this league. So nobody has time to sit
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down and spend like two weeks on Jaden Daniel's Cliff Kingsbury.
So you I mean, you start looking at Minnesota the
Jets for the first team and a half, You're like, Okay,
here's a little bit of a guy. Now nobody has
corners like the Jets, so good luck trying to duplicate it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I just wonder if there is some And this is tough,
but when you go to the NFC championship game four
of the last five years, right, and no trophy to
show up, Yeah, and two Super Bowls, it's like, we're
in week five? Are we kind of still tinkering? Because
remember Juwan Jennings had a monster game recently. He had
one catch for thirteen yards yesterday. You know who got
force fed Brandon Ayuk who hadn't been doing anything all season,
(39:23):
and you wonder, hey, let's play kate a Yuk a
little bit. We're not winning the Super Bowl in Week five,
and I just wonder if they're not totally locked in
or focused.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
With a long way to go yet.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So Week six is very interesting. For the first time
this year, you're seeing the spreads expand. So these games
have been so hard to predict because the games are
like three point games. This week you have two or
three lobs sided. So the truth is starting to come out.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Cleveland's awful, Cleveland is awful, Carolina is very bad, and
the Andy Dalton honeymoon appears to be over.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay, I want you to look radio audience can't see.
I want you to look over this peruge this and
I'll ask you in an hour to give me your
upset of the weekend.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Well, here's the surprising line is Washington's a six and
a half point dog against Baltimore in a regional rivalry
game featuring Lamar and Jingde.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Give me the points. I'll take Cliff Kingsbury and the points.
Michael Urbans around the corner, hour three on a Monday
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, It is our two. It is a Monday.
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we are just starting. We're not even close to halfway there.
J mac is Ulick at the wounds this morning. Off
(00:47):
that jet L. At least you got that l out
of the way and could enjoy the rest of your afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh yeah, it was just a great day.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
After I woke up at six point thirty to watch
the Jets go through.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I went out with a buddy, had a big dinner,
lassa vino, came home, crash, woke up, boom, first Series
ready to roll.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It just wasn't a good Sunday for me. Fortunately, Saturday
was awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I mean, Vanderbilt Minnesota, like everything came through Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Just not good. Four to oh in fantasy football. I
know you care deeply, right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Not at all, No, though I do appreciate the updates.
Colin right, Colin wrong. We do it every Monday. Here
it is where Colin was right. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, I
said they wouldn't be a playoff team. I questioned their
old line being jumbled together. I thought Nat Hackett was
one of the weaker offensive coordinators. And here's the other thing.
(01:35):
Aaron's forty off an injury, and he wasn't great his
last year in Green Bay. The other New York team
is better. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I think
they're poorly coach from a coordinator perspective, and the Jets,
shocking are good on defense and underachieving on offense. Tell
me if you've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, the Bengals will not bounce back and be a
playoff team. Listen, Joe Burrow had a bad pick. Welcome
to the NFL. He's got twelve tds and two picks
this year and one hundred and fourteen passer rating. They
are so bad defensively, and they were short sighted letting
Joe Mixon go because he could at least help time
a possession. They are second worst defense in the league.
(02:17):
The game was wildly entertaining, but I mean, this is
what you do when you're literally selling off parts a
year in advance of having to pay Jamar Chase. This
is what it looks like a track meet every Sunday.
Where Colin was right, I said Cliff Kingsbury was the
higher of the offseason, that he and Jayden Daniels wouldn't
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make the playoffs. It's better than I thought, but right now, offensively,
this was my shock pick in the NFL last year.
Houston was shocked everybody. I said, this is the team
that'll make the playoffs. I didn't think they'd beat this
profound third straight game with at least thirty four points.
But Kingsbury, he had used this offense similar styles to
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other young quarterbacks, so Jaden Daniels and Cliff was a
predictable and ideal fit where Colin was raw. You know,
I thought the Bills were over their nonsense, but once again,
it's a franchise with a brilliant quarterback and you can't
trust them in big spots. Their late game management yesterday
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was unforgivable. McDermott is you know. I think he's organized
the structures in place, but I don't trust this team.
Josh Allen was one for sixteen on throws of ten
yards or more. He had one of his worst games,
and they're the opposite of the Chiefs in big spots.
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I have no trust for Buffalo once again, which has
been the story for years. Where Colin was right Caleb Williams,
I said it's going to take time, but I predicted
even if they only win seven games, you'll feel better
about it. Four straight weeks. The passer rating is improved.
And here's the thing. Now they have a semblance of
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a run game. CJ. Stroud as good as he is,
no Joe Mixon, it's not the same. So Caleb is
more poised. His first ten quarters, he had a fifty
seven passer rating. In Caleb's last ten quarters, it's right
up against one ten. The Bears are three and two,
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and regardless of the total wins, they finally have a
franchise quarterback in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I picked Denver as the best over under bet in
the NFL. I said their personnel offensively is better than
you think. And bow Nicks right now has them on
a three game win streak. And this is a football
team that's defense is surprisingly good. But boy Vegas had
these guys at five and a half wins and I'm like,
(04:56):
we don't know they should get two with the Raiders.
We don't know, So how good the Chargers are going
to be in their schedule was kind of workable right
now Denver. It's not ridiculous if you look at their
schedule to think if they don't make the playoffs, they
could knock a few teams out of it in November
and December.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
USC is not ready for the Big Ten. Pushed around
by Michigan and pushed around by Minnesota. The Golden Golfers
played with more intensity, more urgency, more passion, and they
were more physical. They ran for one hundred and ninety
three yards. USC's bad tackling from years past has re emerged.
(05:38):
They're five and seven in their last twelve. They better
pray their left tackle doesn't get hurt because they have
no depth at left or right tackle on the offensive
line and they just don't have enough high end elite players.
And now Lincoln Riley is getting to me. Impatient, walls
(06:00):
closing in. Listen to this silly thing after the game.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Jamilka tef feel like that last cuts down they got
in from Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Job.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Don't ask him, I say, don't ask him now yet?
Next question on the who cares what he says on
that b what player's opinion?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Let's ask a more professional question.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh brother, grow up right? Kirk Cousins. First Place media
was crushing Atlanta for getting Kirk and drafting Pennis, and
I said, are you telling me it's a problem in
the NFL to have the best quarterback in your division
and the best backup? Kirk's a total pro, unflappable, high
IQ and EQ. He compares to me favorably with Dak Prescott.
(06:40):
You cannot tell what he's done when he gets to
a big drive late in the game. He's not moody,
he doesn't pout. He's a pro. He's responsible. And once
again Atlanta, who I picked to be a potential number
one seed because of their schedule, it looks like the
young guys are coming around. Kyle Pitts finally's emerging. It
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takes some guys a while. How about that where Colin
was right. I said the Mets, Phillies, Podres Dodgers had
a chance to be the best two weeks in memory
in the National League. These series are insane, the Dodgers
and Podres. The fans got involved yesterday because of the
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way the Mets play. Their games are all white knuckle
in the eighth and ninth innings. Here's a couple of
home runs over the last couple of days in these
series yesterday, and these are turning out to be as
intense or more intense. And we thought it would be
the best two weeks in the National League in years.
Here you go, runners still at first and second with
(07:46):
two away.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Here's a two to one. There was as there any down.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Sohail Tani Horiz in.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
October put a three run home run once who pitched
to Castianos in the left field.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Don't lie, it's a fair ball.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Head of Phillies head tied the Sillies back to Queens Blana, Peace, Testiana.
Stay hello, I don't know what the TV ratings are.
You cannot turn these games off. I don't remember the
last year where you had more great players, more great
stadium environments like four for four on stadium environments. They're
(08:32):
all great, they all jump off the TV, and not
just because they're on Fox. We said, this is gonna
be insane. This gut feel like nineteen eighty five baseball,
and that's exactly what it feels like. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.
And with that we bring in our Monday guy. Eighteen
years in the NFL, multiple Pro Bowls, got the Seahawks
are there for Super Bowl. Man Hasselbeck is joining us live.
(08:54):
Did you ever, by the way, did you ever play
a London game or a European game mat in it.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
My first game in the NFL, though, was in Tokyo.
We played a preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Actually sprained my tailbone in that game, so I had
to fly back basically standing up the whole time. So
that was the only negative, but it was a good
time otherwise.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So I always kind of give those London games a
little bit of a pass. You know, the favorites tend
to play well. Here. Here's I think sometimes expectations create happiness.
And I looked at the Jets and I thought, don't
love the oc O line. Could be good, but it's
a lot of new parts, quarterbacks, forty office surgery, like
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the defense a lot. Everybody's gonna blame Sola, but I
like it. And I said, boy, if Garrett Wilson Sprain's
an ankle, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I
have on the outside. I look at the Jets and
is it just about expectations were unrealistic or are they
playing terrible? I mean, Minnesota's rosters offensively the elite. Maybe
this is just what they are, A solid team that's
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going to be like eight wins and not twelve, which
was predicted.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Well, I agree with you about the London game.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Sometimes time zone field surface, you go over there as
a tourist instead of a business trip. You know, there's
a lot of kind of funky stuff that goes into that.
But I've been saying for weeks to you, like, I
just really don't love watching the Jets offense.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
They just look like they're a one man show.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I feel like I'm watching an NBA game where it's like, hey,
everybody clear out and let me do my thing.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
And I just don't think that's the best thing.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
At this point in Aaron Rodgers's career, I think you
can have a ton of success with him. I think
you could be a super Bowl contender with him, but
not this kind of offense.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
This isn't it again.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
He needs to be a point guard, not the Michael
Jordan running the three. And that's what you see right now.
And then I also think there's like an element of
like togetherness and joy that comes with teams that are
like smile and hugging high five.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
And I just don't think you see that right now.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
And maybe it's because they're not playing great, but there's
a lot of room for improvement with this Jets team
right now.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So I said before the season, I said, listen, the
windows in this league, because there's a regulated level of violence,
they close really quick. You thought the Seahawks was gonna
last forever. Like three years in you're like, oh, we
got to get into their trophy. And I went into
the season with San Francisco and I said, the names
are big Debo and Kittle and Christian, but I'm like,
come on, guys. You can't keep relying on guys. They're
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a very physical operation and I watch them and Purdy's
gonna get beat up a little bit because you know,
everybody's like Brock purty he this this, but my takeaway
is without Christian McCaffrey, they don't have a lot of
juice in the red zone. I like a lot of elements,
but I don't fear them. It doesn't feel that. It's
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almost like the names matt are bigger than the players
and production. Like, I know they're great, but I watched them,
and I watched Arizona yesterday, and Arizona had the twitch ear,
younger tight end running back, you know, more athletic quarterback.
And I'm like, I'm not so sure Arizona is not
as good. We don't like their name, but what do
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you make of what the Niners are now?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah, well, Arizona's coming on. But I woant to give
up on the Niners. I mean, the Niners are a
really good team. They they haven't eight they have not
been able to keep leads, and they've blown a couple
of leads this year. Otherwise we would think about them differently.
But we're gonna find out because it gets tough for
the Niners. They go Thursday night at Seattle, they got
Kansas City, they got Dallas.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean, we're gonna find out real quick what this
team is made of.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And I think they're the I think they're made of
the right stuff. I mean, you know, I believe in
the quarterback. Obviously they got to improve, but I think
that sometimes you can almost improve more as a team
when you have tough losses, like you don't when you win.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Sometimes you just sweep some stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Under the rug and like, oh, yeah, but we won.
When you lose, you look at everything and uh. And
they will get their horses back at some point, They'll
be a different team.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You know, I've compared Dak to Kirk Cousins super High EQ.
If you just dropped into a game in the third
quarter and Dak had four picks, you'd never know. His
personality doesn't change. Same with Kirk Cousins. There is something
about in a vanity driven franchise, his maturity. He's an adult.
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We had some cultural changes in America a few years ago,
and Dak in a conservative town with Jerry Jones, like
just good at the podium and I watched him last night.
You did this for eighteen years. I think there's some
things he doesn't do well, but god, he's just unflappable.
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How do you view Dak?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, I would agree, and I think being the quarterback
of the Dallas Cowboys will do that to you. But
you know, there's a saying in quarterback rooms, don't flinch,
don't flinch, don't blink. You know, next play and you know,
he takes his team down, throws the game winner. The
play before that, though, he misses the same receiver wide
open in the back of the end zone. Yeah, I mean,
actually I think he hits him in the privates. The
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guy almost had to come out of the game, and
then luckily there was a time out and he was like, man,
I can't not be on the field for this last
play of the game.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
But that's what it is to be a great quarterback.
That last play that happened. You got to just let
it go.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That plays over, We're moving on to the next. And
I do think Dak Prescott's unflappable. He doesn't care what
people say about him. He seems like he and Mike
McCarthy are just kind of in lockstep. And you know,
I just think that's the way you got to be
as a quarterback. And it's not all about Dak with
that team, but he is a very very important piece
to that puzzle, and you saw it last night.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
He came through for his team when they needed him
at the end.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Can you explain to me, Josh Allen has the credibility,
the talent, and the gravitas that if something was called
in late in the game that and maybe I would
think you would at the end of your career, middle
of your career, to say, guys, we're not going to
do three straight passes here. I'm fuzzy, I got hit.
We're not going to do this. Should I give a
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little blame on Josh not just saying, you know, guys,
we got to burn time out from Houston. I don't
like banging on coaches for play calling. I don't know
who's healthy, I don't know what's available and not available.
I don't like doing it. But Matt, that was brutal,
like that jumps off the TV screen. Should Josh have
said something?
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Well, I'm probably the wrong person ask because I'm fired
up today about how that head injury concussion situation was
handled with Josh Allen. I thought it was embarrassing, kind
of disgusting, kind of a joke. So we'll just put
that to a side for just a second. But I
think what happens in the NFL right now is a
lot of coaches they go to an analytics chart and
they don't take into consideration the human element and like
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what's going on in the game. This obviously was not
a game that Josh Allen was having a lot of
success in.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
I don't think he completed a pass.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
You know, after that situation that I talked about, I mean,
you're inside the five yard line. It makes absolutely no sense.
Here's what happens in the NFL. You have a backed
up plan. What are we going to call inside the
five yard line? If you look at the analytics on that,
the teams that do the best are the ones that
take shots downfield, not the teams that like get into
big people.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
And just run, run, run, punt.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
And so I think, like, you take your backed up
plan and then you just throw it into a there's
less than a minute to go in the game, you're
going to have a really confusing result.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
And I think that was the I think that's.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
What everyone looked that was watching the game. They were
looking at like, what on earth are these guys doing
right now? They're asking to lose this game in regulation?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
That's the way I saw it. Again.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You know, people will you know, get all over the outcomes.
I'm more of a process driven person, but I just
strongly disagree.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
I thought that was a real head scratcher.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, and to your point during this question about the
concussion and the smelling salt, if you watch two of
those last passes, one of them Josh missus badly and
it's not by Josh Allen standards, it's a makeable play.
Do you think that contributed to it? That you just
he was fuzzy.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Here's the thing, this is a crazy thing. Like times
I've been hit. Sometimes when you're concussed, it.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Like you play better at times.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
It's like Floyd right in the song when they're stoned
out of their minds, like you can't explain it. But
like so I don't think you can, Like you can't
necessarily judge it by that. I don't think that's what
you should be judging. I think you should be judging
just the process that we evaluate players and how we
go through it. And then and then I think probably
what gets me fired up is when you know then
you hear thinking, oh no, it was just my ankle.
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That's what they said with Tua, it's his ankle. You
don't give someone smelling salts for an ankle injury.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Go watch the tape.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
There's no ankle injury that no one's limping around. It's
clear as day what happened. So, you know, ultimately, I
just think that this is something I'm passionate about. We've
worked a long long time in the NFL to kind
of improve player health and safety and process, but honestly,
just taking that out of it, taking that out of
it the game management.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
And I love that coaching staff, I love that team.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I'm a huge Josh Allen fan, but that was a
head scratcher and they they they just really kind of
blew the game management part of that one.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So there are games in the NFL that you as
players are probably getting on a flight going home thinking
that was a big win, and me and the media
we just like, Giants won in Seattle. But I watched
their O line and D line domination, and Daniel Jones,
Brian Dabeles coached the reckless out of him, No elite neighbors,
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no singletary, rough trip, hard place to play, as you know,
And I watched that and I'm like, are the Giants good?
That feels like a much bigger win flying home that
Dable and a staff are like fellows. We got a
squad here, then we'll get attention today.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Your thoughts, yeah, no doubt especially I mean the Giants
haven't had a lot of success up there. I don't
feel like And I would just say with Daniel Jones,
I think we all piled on on that team and
that quarterback early on because of how training camp went
and what they looked like against the Minnesota Vikings early.
They were great yesterday, I mean they really would. I
mean even you know the touchdown that was given to Seattle,
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that was a close call at the goal line.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
But I would just say this about Brian dave Ball.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
If you're going to look for one thing, if you're
a Giants fan, or even if you're not, check out
the launch point where he throws the ball from, particularly
on the two touchdowns, the launch point, changing the launch point.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
If you don't have the best offensive line.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Now they've upgraded their offensive line, Yes, if you're going
to struggle with crowd noise or pass protection, change where
the quarterback throws the ball from. It's not going to
be seven and a half yards right behind the center
every single time.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
And so two on his two touchdown passes yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Really cool and creative. I think Schmid's the center. He's
pulling one way, pulling back the other way. They just
did a I thought it was a really good game plan.
And Brian dave Ball is going to take a lot
of heat because he's in New York. But I thought
they did a great job with their execution and their
plan yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So Caleb Williams for the last ten quarters, he's played well.
I thought bow Knicks, who's more athletic than I'll get
credit for. So bow Nicks and Sean Payton get into
a screaming match. And I know Sean pretty well, and
Sean is intense, okay, which I love about him. He's passionate,
and they're arguing in yelling and then you know, ceedee
(20:08):
Lamb's doing that with Dak. But there was something about
bo Nicks and Peyton. They went back and forth. Are
you good with it?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Explain it?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Your thoughts on that it happens?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Man, like it happens. I mean, Sean Payton's fiery. Anybody
that knows him knows that. I mean, Mike Holmgren was
that way. He's very fiery. On game day, he didn't
expect it at bo Nicks, I would say, and like,
probably the same thing like when I home, when Coach
Holmgren and I went at it like you didn't expect
it from me. I do think this is a perfect match. Though,
you know, people say, who does bow Knicks remind you of?
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Like I'm trying not to say Drew Brees, but like
there's a lot of Drew Brees in his game, And
I just think when you talk about fit, this quarterback,
this play caller is a really nice fit.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah. By the way, Drew Brees didn't move better early
in his career. You remember the old Drew when he
was a pocket guy. But Drew was a good athlete,
and early in his career he moved around, and bow
Knicks moves around. So I do think it's the comp
and Matt Hasselback as oh was great stuff. And I
love that you talk about the Josh Allen situation because
that stuff is outrageous. And the reality is what makes
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this game great is not only the stars and the talent,
but it's protecting them because the men are getting bigger
and stronger, and so it does matter. It does matter
that we protect not only the stars, special teams, gunners, everybody,
and I love that you're passionate about it. I do
respect that well.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I just think I think the NFL has done a
great job of leading in this area, and it trickles
down to college, high school, youth sports. Football's never been safer,
and I'd like to, you know, just basically stay on
that path. I thought it was a big step back
backwards yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Matt, as always, I love having you on Monday. Thanks Bud.
Appreciate it all right, Matt hasselback eighteen years in the league.
It was Saturday was nuts. I mean, who had Bandy
beating Bama on their Bengo cart. I was like, and
by the way, I can't say anything because I have
Tennessee went in the national title and the minute USC
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law then Vandy beat Bama. I'm like, uh, Tennessee's toast Arkansas.
It's over. It was one of those college football does
this once or twice a year. Everybody loses. The games
are nuts, And you wouldn't have predicted if you had
have said, oh, Tennessee at Arkansas, Bamitt Vandy last weekend
was better. And then you're watching col Miami it was
a wild and then you have the baseball games on.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, college football this weekend. The games are unbelievable. Hopefully
you're not planning anything with the wife any like. Anniversary stuff.
Is the greatest Saturday in college football coming up, apparently
in the last like five years.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
When you look at the matchups of ranked teams, it's
a really good one.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Hopefully I'm not, you know, being respectful to my wife
and having breakfast with her.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, no, it's off the table.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Weddings are off the table. A nice lunch with my
wife a mimosa is not off the tables.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
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Speaker 1 (23:01):
Michael Irvin last hour, the Miami Hurricanes won, the Dallas
Cowboys won. I'm sure he'll be nuanced, reasonable and without emotion,
just joking. He's all fired up. Miami's got their first
great team in a long time, and it's you know
you text me yesterday Jamack did and he said, like,
who's good in the NFL? And I'm like Kansas City
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and they keep winning narrowly. I think what college and
pro football want. George is not the same team, and
LSU's okay, And I think Ohio State's really good and
Oregon's really good and they'll meet. I think Texas and
Ohio State looked like they could be special. Alabama's defense
isn't good, George's O line's not that great. I think
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there's a bunch of good teams. I think Ohio State
Texas are the only teams I look at and go,
you know, though, girl, these are young kids. They could
be in eight weeks really special teams, and they look
the part. But there's just a lot of good and
it means a lot of upsets. This is trying to
predic this year's NFL lines. Everybody's either kind of good
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or averager not very good. They're very very little, great
and awful in the NFL. Cleveland's awful, but not much
after that. Jmack with a news No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
And even those college football teams you said are kind
of in another class. Texas has Oklahoma this week, yes,
and Ohio State has.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oregon in Eugene. I like Oregon, and I've said this,
do you think I think Oregon will beat them, and
then Ohio State will face them again later and beat
the Ducks. Because I think Texas Ohio State will play
for the Natty, but I don't think. I don't think
necessarily anybody's going undefeated. No, no, no, definitely, And I
think Eugene it will be the loudest Eugene's ever been in.
(24:48):
Ohio State has no idea. It's half the size of
Ohio State Stadium. I've been in both. Oregon's louder because
it's built into the ground. Oregon is the second loudest
stadium I've ever been into Gainesville, Florida, which is built
like sound can't get out of the building.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But Ohio State has the best freshman receiver in the country.
No disrespect to Ryan Williams at Alabama.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
This kid Smith.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Did you see the one hit a cat?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
He's awesome.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
All right, Let's get started with Major League Baseball Phillies Mets.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's been a great watch so far and game won.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
The Mets offense pounded the Phillies bullpen scored five in
the eighth.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
New York won six to two.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
In Game two.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Last night, Nick Castillanos hit a walk off RBI single
to tie the series at one colin. Game three is
set for Tuesday on FS one. Going back to New York.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
How about the Mets. So their whole thing is they
got really hot in like mid June on and they're
great late in games. But it is so weird that
a team in baseball can struggle offensively for stretches and
be you can't get them out in late innings. It's
just we knew this series would be good Philly, New York.
(25:56):
But the style of the Mets, which is late game
surges and the Phillies should be favored. I mean they
should be favored. This has upset written all over it.
It's just these This is baseball. This is what baseball
felt like fifteen years ago. When I was at the
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other place. You would go home, you couldn't wait for
the games to start. You could be a casual, You
couldn't wait for the games to start. This is the
best I'm trying to think of the last time I
felt it was like Yankee Red Sox series, where you
could you'd be thinking about it all day. Even if
you're on a diehard baseball fan, you couldn't wait for
the game to start. These nationally games are nuts.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You were in Connecticut at that time.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, I was in New York and Yankees, I
mean Yankee you thought about it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Where ever, you could literally turn on sports radio and
talk about an inning for four hours and never get bored.
It was fascinating.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Who could probably recite the Yankees' lineup from that time
and not know who the quarterback of the Jets or
Giants were back? Well, actually the Giants was Eli Manning.
But it was a great time for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
American.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
How about this Philadelphia at home? That crowd is crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think got Bryce Harper?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Does he is?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
He having a good series so far?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yet a home run?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's good. He's a good player.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
He's a good player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yes, Next up is Lamar Jackson Boy Ravens. Got lucky.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Sorry, they got lucky coming back from down ten twice
in the fourth quarter to force overtime and got a.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Real I mean again, so fortunate. I say luck.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Some people will say finding ways to win. Cincinnati had
a botch snap Colin, But if you want to take
it back to Taylor after recovering the fumble, went ultra conservative.
Joe Burrow has like one of the great days of
the season, and they hand the ball off three times.
They just don't take any chances to move the football,
settling for a.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Fifty Taylor's game management wasn't Sean McDermott bad, but it was,
as Ryan will tell you, it was regrettable.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Now, Lamar himself was upset with fumbling the snap, almost
costing his team in the game.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Here's Lamar talking about it afterward.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
It's not an exciting win for me at all, not
how the game ended, especially with overtime, dropping a bond
and a fumble happened. So I'm ticked off like that.
I didn't want to put my defense back out there
and were doing an off the line doing a great job,
was doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But we got it done. So it's it's cool. We
got to win best watch in the NFL. Baltimore Ravens
they are at wait are people still doubting the Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well he is what as what electrifying fun player?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes that's obvious, but he wins almost eighty percent of
his games regular season.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well that that is ninety percent of the season. Okay,
I feel display was this play doesn't even make sense
in video games.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
God, he's alacoric.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I don't want to make this too much about the
Bengals because the Ravens are, you know, running hot and
everybody loves them. Now, the Bengals have scored thirty three
and thirty eight points in their last two whole games
seventy one and they lost both of them.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
What's what's going on with the bat?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Like, something's got to change here. I've been out on
the head coot for the longest time. You know that.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I'm not on out of the coach. I'm out
on the owner.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You can't well you can't dump the owner though, but
that's not gonna solve What's gonna solve the Bengals at
this point.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They sell the team. I'm just telling you they're cheap.
Why is it that what San Francisco and Philadelphia can
always find money? They are moving off guys a year
before Jamar Chase is gonna sign. Yeah, all about the
bottom line. I'm sorry. Maybe they're all using a different bang,
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but it just seems to me Detroit pays their guys,
and Francisco to remember.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
If they don't watch the staff, the conversation is reversed.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, but they do well.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
They they did. It was it was a tough one
for the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I feel for their fans, including the producer on staff
who's a huge Bengals fan. Final story, Colin is sorry
for more bad news, but USZ took another el. Minnesota
beat them by seven.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They were in.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Minnesota was an eight point dog. The Trojans fell out
of the ap top twenty five.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know what bothers me, what's this The lack of intensity.
Minnesota was so passionate, it so intentional, cared so much,
and it was with the game plan, didn't have a
lot of clever, not a lot of motion. It was
kind of like, hey, let's get in here. It's a
work business trip, let's win. It's like they didn't respect
Minnesota enough. Minnesota. If you turn the sound down and
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just watched Minnesota play their passion they were And I
know it's a home game and you get riled up.
But the edit thing is, once again USC's tackling is
a major problem.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Okay, let's spin it forward. This is a tough game
in the Midwest. Listen, these teams are not going to
roll over for USC.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Can't lose to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Minnesota and Michigan are not great football teams and they
both beat USC.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Penn State travels to the Coliseum this weekend. Penn State's
high as.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Number four in the country, and they have a rush
in that USC will not be able to blow it. Well,
I'm already going out here on Monday doing my big
ten bet.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Give me USC in this game. I like us well.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I do think it's hard to ask a team to
travel collegiately three thousand miles in place your best.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
But these home games are huge the NFL. The home
field is in.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's just shrunk right down to a point a game
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
In college, it really matters. That's seen at Vanderbilt. Oh,
there are a lot of Alabama fans there.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That was a I watched Kentucky Georgia a few weeks ago.
Georgia unraveled on the road. Look look intimidated by the crowd.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm taking Ohio State of Oregon on the road. I
just think, what's the what's the number? I haven't seen
it yet. This morning could be on the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ohio State's better than Oregon, but you got to get
Oregon in college is worth six points that Oh my god.
The home field there is insane, in sane I.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Haven't been there. One of the best stadium experiences you've
been to collegiately.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, it's hard because Husky Stadium, where I went to
as a kid on the Lake, is special. But I
would say between Oregon and Washington people and the rest
of the country don't they don't have any idea. They're
totally different environments. Oregon at home, it is hard. You
have to EXPERIENSI it's like going watching you two live.
(32:03):
You can't watch a take. You got to go see
him in the Rose Bowl Guns N' Roses in their prime.
You had to see him live. Doesn't matter what YouTube provides.
Certain things you gotta see live. And I'm telling you
odds and is nuts. They're not gonna make it. Won't
be able to hear. They'll have snap count issues. They'll
they'll I mean, they'll have more penalties in Oregon. They
(32:24):
won't be able to hear.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Penn State's a tough place to play.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Ohio State minus four.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
That's a figure number that I thought two and a half.
I was expected four, Right, go buck us Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
News Crazy Michael Irvan last hour. Think I mean October.
These baseball series tonight we get uh, we get Chief
Saints and then we get we get Yankees tonight. Yeah,
it's al tonight. Not as good as the NL, but
(33:08):
it's it's fine. It's on another network. We'll try to
squeeze it in.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
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Speaker 3 (33:22):
Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
After a huge win to take down Michigan, Washington takes
on Iowa in a Big ten class.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
It all starts at ten.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Am with Big Noon kickoff, followed by Washington Iowa at noon.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Only on Fox. For the record, since week two, you
bang it on the Giant, so take out the Minnesota
game week one. Since week two, Daniel Jones ninety nine
passer rating, five touchdowns, one pick, sixty eight percent completion percentage.
That is coaching. So the Niners is interesting because I
think I had Arizona over the weekend and I said
(33:59):
Arizona was going to keep this thing real close. If
you watch the game and you didn't know the history
of Arizona, and you didn't know the history of San Francisco.
I think Arizona's got more. I thought they they're more
fun to watch, And I think what we're struggling to
acknowledge is and I love Kyle Shanahan, but it doesn't
feel like San Francisco has the magic. Well, the magic
(34:20):
on offense is it's Christian McCaffrey. So the Niners last
year were the best red zone offense in the league,
meaning not only did they drive the ball down the field,
they were closers. Coffees for closers. They're still driving the ball,
they can't close in the end zone. Now they're one
of the worst red zone teams. Well, nothing's changed, the coach,
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the quarterback, the left tackle, the weapon. The only thing
that's changed. They even have a good running back, but
they don't have Christian McCaffrey. So now he's got dual
issues both legs. When he comes back, I think it
could play into their favor. He'll be really arrested he
comes back in week ten and plays for the next
ten weeks and launches them to the NFC Championship. Matt
(35:05):
Hasselback earlier today said don't sell your Niner stock I
wouldn't give.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Up on the Niners. I mean, the Niners are a
really good team. But we're gonna find out because it
gets tough for the Niners. They go Thursday night at Seattle,
they got Kansas City, they got Dallas. I mean, we're
gonna find out real quick what this team is made of.
And I think they're the I think they're made of.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
The right stuff. I mean, you know, I believe in
the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Obviously they got to improve, but I think that sometimes
you can almost improve more as a team when you
have tough losses, like you don't when you win.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Sometimes you just sweep some stuff under the rug and like, oh, yeah,
but we won. When you lose, you look at everything.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah. So I can oppose this to you, j mac. So,
one of the few players that you and I totally
disagree with has brought pretty One of the other players
you and I disagree with is Kyler Murray. So when
you watched them play yesterday, Murray was the playmaker in
(36:06):
the second half Brock on the you know on the
design plays by you know who, Kyle Shanahan. So when
you watch this game Kyler Murray against Brock, what was
your takeaway.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I thought Kyler was fantastic. Awesome fourth down pass to
Marvin Harrison. I love the early celebration here on the
touchdown run at the forty yard line. But I know
you like the reference Pro Football Focus, so I will
just point this out.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
According to PFF, brock Perty is the second best quarterback
in the league this year that he's graded out extremely well.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He's been phenomenal and he hasn't had all his weapons
all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Still, no McCaffrey. I think this was just a fluke
loss for the Niners. Come on, Jordan Mason with a random.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Fumble, kid, They had a block kick for a touchdown,
they had a Bosa interception. They're at home. It feels
like they needed to win.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, they've lost now two in the division zero and
two in the division with two fourth grade divisions.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
How about this take every division. I can look at
a team I trust, I don't like any I don't
trust any of the teams in the NFC West.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
You don't trust the Niners. No, So they got Seattle
on Thursday night. Any big game that Seattle, Seattle wins
this they open up a little bits of space on
the Niners, and San fran would be zero and three
in the division. That being said, we know it's all
about the postseason for San Francisco, Colin if they just
get healthy, nobody wants to see them in the playoffs, Nobody.
(37:33):
They're the most complete team in the league when everybody's healthy, Right, Okay,
that wasn't the result.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I think they've gotten old. I think they're very Christian
McCaffrey reliant. I don't feel like I can like the
pieces of a business, but then I look at it
as a whole and I'm like, I think they could
use a little bit of a reboot, a little younger,
a little fresher. And I also thing my buddy John
(38:01):
Middlecoff on the podcast last night brought up a great point.
Kyle's been running this offense for so many years, and
half the league is copying the offense. San Francisco's not
fooling people like they did four and five years ago.
Half this league runs this offense now. So like like
Mike McDaniel came into the league, borrowed a lot of Shanahan,
(38:22):
went east and first couple of years fooled people in Miami.
Now a lot of it's too obviously, but when you
give great defensive coordinators a couple years to catch up
on new stuff, they do Washington, what they're doing right now,
they're catching people off guard. And it's you're on a
treadmill in this league. So nobody has time to sit
(38:42):
down and spend like two weeks on Jaden Daniel's Cliff Kingsbury.
So you I mean, you start looking at Minnesota the
Jets for the first team and a half, You're like, Okay,
here's a little bit of a guy. Now nobody has
corners like the Jets, so good luck trying to duplicate it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I just wonder if there is some And this is tough,
but when you go to the NFC championship game four
of the last five years, right, and no trophy to
show up, Yeah, and two Super Bowls, it's like, we're
in week five? Are we kind of still tinkering? Because
remember Juwan Jennings had a monster game recently. He had
one catch for thirteen yards yesterday. You know who got
force fed Brandon Ayuk who hadn't been doing anything all season,
(39:23):
and you wonder, hey, let's play kate a Yuk a
little bit. We're not winning the Super Bowl in Week five,
and I just wonder if they're not totally locked in
or focused.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
With a long way to go yet.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So Week six is very interesting. For the first time
this year, you're seeing the spreads expand. So these games
have been so hard to predict because the games are
like three point games. This week you have two or
three lobs sided. So the truth is starting to come out.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Cleveland's awful, Cleveland is awful, Carolina is very bad, and
the Andy Dalton honeymoon appears to be over.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay, I want you to look radio audience can't see.
I want you to look over this peruge this and
I'll ask you in an hour to give me your
upset of the weekend.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Well, here's the surprising line is Washington's a six and
a half point dog against Baltimore in a regional rivalry
game featuring Lamar and Jingde.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Give me the points. I'll take Cliff Kingsbury and the points.
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