October 10, 2024 • 39 mins
Thoughts on the NFL season so far including the impressive start for Commanders QB Jayden Daniels
Colin gives his best big 10 bets of the week
Guest: Greg Cosell
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Last time, I'm sitting there and so I had to
watch two baseball games. Didn't have to, but I wanted to.
So I sit and watch two baseball games. I opened
up the side door to the outside balcony in my place.
And I didn't eat dinner last night, not interested. I
didn't want to get full and tired. I wanted to
stay up late. So and I was watching the hurricane
coverage some dear friends down in Naples and friends, So
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I want to kind of watch all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And I had to watch the baseball games.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Lit up a cigar poort of cocktails, sat there for
three or four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It was big living.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But well, I really had an epiphany as I was
sitting watching these games and I was I was sitting
there and I was just devastating hurricane coverage, and it's like,
you know what, man, you got to be grateful. I
feel I felt so gutted while all those people in
Florida that have had hurricanes, after hurricanes, they're you know,
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they had to leave town, bring out the credit card,
you're you're paying at hotels, you go back, you could
come home, your house would be destroyed. I just it
made me sick to my stomach watching all that stuff.
So godspeed to all the people in Florida that are
dealing with this. There's people that care about you. That
stuff was so hard to watch last night, and uh,
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just it was be grateful, be grateful, and I know
those people are. But there's there's people coming back to
their home and they're gonna be missing loved ones. The
house is gonna be destroyed. Uh devastating. So Greg calls
selling about five minutes, I want to bring this up.
So Caleb Williams and the Bears offense a couple of
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weeks ago before the Rams game, they went According to
Jay Glazer, they went to the coaching staff on offense
and said, we're not a Pop Warner team. Give us
stuff to do well. Since that time they're two to zero.
Caleb Williams is completing seventy one percent of his throws.
They challenged him he's a smart kid. Eight point nine
yards in attempt, no picks, passer rating at one seventeen.
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So basically they were babysitting him, which I'm not against.
But he went to Shane Waldron and just said, guys,
load up, load up the play sheet. We're not a
Pop Warner team. Let's roll the dice. And it's worked.
DJ Moore, who he loves throwing to. They had a
great connection back of the end zone this week said,
uh yeah, Caleb's gotten a little bossy.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
It's amazing. No, he's taking those strides that he needs to.
He's been bossy lately. Tell us that we need to
be on the details, but we really do for him
to be the best player, he needs to.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Be by the way.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Caleb Williams, when asked about the comments from d J
Moore saying he was bossy, said, I don't know. He
sounds kind of sassy. Uh leadership, We'll go ahead, play
the butt.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I want to hear of PBF to talk very.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Debably.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Don't have certain people you can be a little bossy
with a certain PBF to talk very monotone and and
and and control of yourself O the time. Just people
that you can just kind of lash out. And I
don't really lash out much. It's not really my uh
my vibe, but you know, just just always coming over
and talk to you know, like guys when I can,
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growing up a little bit, being able to go over
and talk to them, understand you know how and and
and what they need to hear, and then from there, Uh,
moving on.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So Jayden Daniels looks like money. Caleb last couple of
weeks looks very good. Bone Knicks now is on a
little bit of a heater.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Looks like we got threequarterbacks as rookies and they're working.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's good for all of us. Better the quarterback play,
better the TV product, better the league. And we talked
about this.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We said the NFC needs to hit on some of
these quarterbacks because the AFC yout CJ. Stroud to hit
and Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Burrow, the NFC
getting old and average at quarterback. They got hit on
some of these guys. It looks like Caleb's going to
be a star. Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix, I think has
a chance to be really good. Same with JJ McCarthy.
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They're just not playing. They're behind McCarthy obviously injured, but
they're behind really capable veterans. With that, we go to
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL Films is joining us.
I want to start with Aaron because everybody got up,
I presume, and watched the Sunday game in London and
we said before that happened, we said, Woody Johnson has
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been the ambassador of the UK. He's going to have
all his billionaire buddies in the box. If they don't
win against Sam Darnold v x Jet, it could be
truble and then Sally gets fired. But one of the
other things. And I through the years, you and I
think I've talked about this, either privately or on the air.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I can tell how Aaron's playing by his mood. I
can't with Dak, I can't with Kirk Cousins. I can't
Deck did not play well in space or in red zone.
This weekend with the Steelers didn't bother him in the
final drive deck very stoic high eq.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I can tell when he's throwing a pick. I can
watch him and see him speed up to the OC.
So some of this stuff we can blame Salah. But
I've got to tell you, Greg, I think Aaron gets
breezy and casual too much off the back foot. I
don't love the way he's playing. But does the film
disagree with that? On Aaron's performance?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Well this game and again I know the firing occurred
and everybody speculating, I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I watch the tape. The Vikings are a really difficult
team to play against with their defense.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
They show you a lot of front looks. They show
you seven man fronts, so you have to protect.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They show you a lot of late coverage rotation.
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The yards are hard to come by against this defense
unless someone makes a mistake on the back end. You
do not get big plays in the passing game against
this defense. They only had one pass play of more
than twenty five yards in the entire game. Now, Rogers
made some really good throws in this game, somewhere dropped.
But the bottom line is he was under duress. They
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forced you to keep a running back into pass protect
so it limits the number of eligibles you can send out.
Breese Hall's a great receiver. They couldn't use them in
that way in this game. So this is not a
good litmus test game for judging either Aaron Rodgers or
the Jets offense. He still throws the ball beautifully. We
know he got hurt in this game. He got hit
an awful lot the right tackle. The rookie Fishanu from
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Penn State is really struggling in one on.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
One pass protection.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
I think he probably has to play for another week
until Morgan Moses is healthy. But this week, just watching
that tape, that was a tough, tough go for the
entire offense and for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Let's talk Caleb Williams, so, Jade and Daniels obviously playing well.
I'm a fan of bo Knicks. He's getting more confident.
They're winning games, kind of overachieving. But it does feel
like the last two weeks, just the eye test.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
That he his feed are better. He's not as frenetic.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I when I watch him, he feels just calmer, which
you know, the veteran guys all feel that, but Kirk
Cousins could be overtime. Kirk always looks under control. Caleb
didn't in the first couple of weeks. So what are
they doing? What is Shane Waldron doing to settle him down?
His accuracy the last two weeks, Greg is over seventy percent.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Well, what they're doing and the tape is really clear here,
Colin is they're really defining the reds and the throws
him so beautifully, which is the job of the coaching staff.
So in other words, you want to put your quarterback
in a position where when he drops back if you
can do it. And obviously this all stems from probability
and tendency in given situations, understanding what the defense is
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going to show you and what route concepts will work
against that tendency, that probability. They're defining it so clearly
for him that they're giving him basically one read, maybe
two at most, but one read so that it's clean.
I mean, he hit some plays last week. The second
touchdown to more was a beautiful example of that. We're
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looking at that right now where they really made it
clean for him through the use of formation and through
the route concepts, so you really want to define it
as well as you can.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
They've been doing a great job with that.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
It was particularly evident this week, and I'm sure they'll
continue to do that because then you allow him to
play decisively. You never want your quarterback feeling like he's
stuck in the pocket with nowhere to throw the football.
And the last couple of weeks he's looked a lot
cleaner in the pocket because I think he's felt that
he knows where to go with the football.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So Baltimore and Washington, it looks like, for the time
being and going forward, could end up being a juicy
rivalry where you have the great Lamar Jackson and sort
of look Lamar Light. Maybe he's not Lamar Light, Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
They moved.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
This is a proud football loving part of the country.
So Lamar Jackson. Last several weeks we worried about the
old line, he is just fine. What's the film say?
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I gotta tell you, Colin, I watched that tape this
week obviously of Lamar versus the Bengals, and I'm watching
this and Luan Aramo the Bengals DC is doing so
many different things. I mean, he emptied the bucket in
terms of what he did with his fronts, with his pressures,
with his coverages, with all the rotations, the different looks,
and I thought Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Was absolutely sensational. You know, I've seen a lot of games.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Obviously, I've seen every Lamar game in the NFL, So
I can't sit here and say it's the best I've
ever seen him.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He's obviously played a lot of good games.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
But I thought in this game, given what Luan Arama
was showing him and what he did throughout the game,
because obviously in some ways it was kind of a
must win for the Bengals, I thought Lamar Jackson was
absolutely fantastic. It was as good as that I can
recall seeing him. He saw things well, he threw the
ball exceptionally well.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
He just looked absolutely terrific.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, Jaden Daniels has since week two on has looked fantastic.
I thought the O line for them was going to
be an issue. When the quarterback's playing well, that doesn't
look like a problem. Obviously, Jaden's terrific. Does he get
a majority of the credit here? Is it somebody else
or something else.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Well, here's something that really stood out to me.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You know, normally when I watch tape Colin, I don't
look at stats before I watched tape. I watched the
tape and if I noticed something, then I'll see if
statistics validate what I'm seeing. And I'm watching them over
these last number of weeks, and I'm seeing a lot
of no huddle and I'm thinking to myself, Wow, that's
really interesting no huddle for a rookie quarterback, because at
some point, with no huddle, the quarterback does have to
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be able to assess what the defense is. Yes, he
can get the play, but then he's at the line
of scrimmage. The defense can move, the defense can change.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But here's the deal.
They've got the most no huddle snaps of any team
in the league for a rookie quarterback. To me, that
says an awful lot about his understanding of the game,
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his ability to see things the right way quickly. So
jayde Daniels, besides the obvious physical attributes, is obviously a
really intelligent player, and they're giving him a good amount
of freedom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So I was one of those who said I didn't
like Daniel Jones being picked six. I didn't like them
doubling down with him. But I'm watching the last couple
of weeks and I three weeks ago I said on
the show, don't sell your giant stock. This old line
is actually really good and I thought it totally controlled
the Seahawks who were beat up on their defensive front.
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But beyond that, Daniel Jones isn't making the mistakes. Remember
his first two years, three years, it was fumbles constantly,
it was bad throws. You know, day Ball has sort
of coached the reckless out of him. It can't all
be coaching. You have to have some capability here. What
does the film say on Daniel Jones on the Giants offense?
Speaker 8 (12:31):
And I think it is a lot of coaching to
some extent because one of the things, and Colin you
watch quarterbacks in great detail, I know you do. One
of the things we used to see from Daniel Jones
a lot was he'd get stuck in the pocket with
nowhere to throw the football in his mind. This past
week and maybe for a week or so, now we've
seen where he drops back and the ball is coming out.
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There's a sense of timing and rhythm to his game.
Daniel Jones is not a great thrower of the football.
He's not a great deep ball thrower, but short, short, intermediate,
he throws the ball very very well, and if you
can really define it for him, in some ways, it's
similar to what's happening with Caleb Williams. If it's clean
for him, if he can hit that back foot and
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feel that he knows where to go with the football
and be decisive in the pocket. And obviously every offensive
coordinator is trying to do this. Some do it better
than others. But this past week against the Seahawks, he
really looked comfortable playing the position.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
He did not get stuck in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So Jordan Love comes into the season beat up. We
pay attention to Lafleur and Malik Willis. It's still a
very young team. We don't know if he's one hundred percent,
but he's playing. He's effective. I've always felt he's more
far than Aaron. He can be a little loose. He's
not quite as precise as Aaron, but there's a he's
a gamer. He let it rip and I like him. So,
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you know, let's look at the last four quarters six
quarters where are we with Green Bays offense and Jordan
Love today?
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Well, I really like what Matt Lafleur does with the offense.
They're very creative, their use of shifts and motions, the
way they use Jaden Reid, who's there number one. But
you know, obviously we're not going to talk about him
as if he's Jamar Chaser Justin Jefferson, but the way
they use him, he's a big motion receiver. The way
they've used the tight end craft has become a factor
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in their offense. He's a very interesting player. But just
the way they deploy their personnel I think really helps
Jordan Love And you've nailed it. He can be a
little reckless and undisciplined at times, but he's a high
level traits quarterback who can basically make every throw and
he's got mobility. But it's just a very fun offense
to watch because they really do an excellent job of
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attacking and breaking down defenses with their shifts and their motions.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So, you know, it's funny when you know certain quarterbacks
throw a bad pick, like a Stafford or Mahomes, you know,
we chalk it up to, hey, they're risk takers. We
don't give a lot of other quarterbacks that benefit. Mahomes
has thrown some stinkers this year, but I do feel
like before Rashi Rice, they've sort of established a number
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one receiver and now they're kind of kind of trying
to Juju Smith, Schuster, Kareem Hunt. It's a little hammin ega,
but it's working. But there's something about this defense. We
know Chris Jones is like Aaron Donald's virtually unblockable, but
after that it's Bolton, It's good corner. Is Spags actually undervalued?
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Is this defense on film really what impresses you?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (15:36):
The schematics and the tactics of this defense are phenomenal.
The way they use pressures in given situations, third downs,
high leverage, critical situations. There may not be a better
blitz decoordinator in the NFL than Spags when it comes
to those situations. And the way he uses his defensive
backs Colin as pressure players. I'm sure that they are
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number one or number two in the league in the
use of defensive backs as blitzers.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And he does such a good job.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
You take a player like Jamari Connor, people might not
even know who he is.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He's number twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
He's become such a valuable piece in their defense because
he can blitz and he can do multiple things. But
that's where Spags is so good and where he shines
the ability to create pressure concepts that are very, very
difficult to really see and pick up for the offense.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Before we get to our play of the week, J
Mackis said he's been right on this. He said, you know,
you take out Nico Collins from CJ. Stroud, I've been saying,
you take out Joe Mixon. As good as CJ is
young quarterbacks, I mean, DeAndre Swift starts running effectively. Caleb
Williams looks better, right, So but take Nico Collins out
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of c J. Stroud in the offense, how big of
a negative a hit is it?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It'll be different. I mean, I love Stroud. I think
that he's a phenomen anticipation thrower.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He sees it beautifully.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
He was unbelievable and third down last week against the
Bills making some really big time throws from the pocket.
But they lose that vertical element now and you're you know,
you're seeing it. They lose that because they'll probably play
Xavier Hutchinson, a player I liked coming out of college
at Iowa State. But he's not a vertical dimension. So
they don't truly have a vertical dimension right now, so
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it'll be different. But you know, Bobby Slowick is their
offensive coordinator. He came from the Niners. The Niners didn't
really have a true vertical dimension either, so he's aware
of how to put together an offense and a pass
game without having that particular player. I think it'll look
different Colin, but I don't think that it'll be a
big problem for CJ.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So finally, what was your reaction We had him on
the day after the five hundred yard performance for Kirk Cousin.
What was your initial thought.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I thought it was one of the best performances I'd see,
and I had a coach reach out to me on
Saturday morning two days after and say he couldn't remember
seeing such an incredible passing performance against the defense that
was putting so much pressure on a quarterback. I mean,
it was just a remarkable performance. We know what Cousins is.
It took him a little while this season to get
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back into it. You know, he's an old school quarterback
in the sense that there's always going to be a
place in the game for quarterbacks that can drop back
play from the pocket, throw it to the right receiver
at the right time with the right kind of throw.
We spoke about that with Jared Goff last week. You know,
Cousins is that kind of quarterback. We're actually looking at
a play. We just passed the play that I'm going
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to show, so we can certainly get to that play
because this, to me was a remarkable throw and it
was actually a throw that you normally don't ask your
quarterback to make. So let's take a look at This
was the touchdown to Mooney that we're taking a look
at as our play, and it was really interesting because
the concept, the ball normally does not go to that
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receiver in this concept, So you're going to see Cousins
in the gun and you're going to get trips to
the wide side of the field.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Three receivers. They're in a bunch.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Look now, the initial look here defensively is that it's
man coverage.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
That's what it looks like initially.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
So let's talk about what the route concept is because
it's what we call dagger. So the inside receiver, who's
Mooney here, he's the point man in the bunch. I
believe he's going to run a vertical route, the inside vertical,
then hide from the outside is going to run the
dig underneath him. That's called dagger. That's the route concept.
It's in everybody's playbook. But now what happens defensively you're
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seeing the two deep safeties, but this is going to
become not two man coverage, it's going to become cover two.
So the coverage look changes at the snap of the ball.
Now you have to understand one thing here. The dagger
concept that is meant to be thrown to the dig
d nine point nine percent of the time. That's where
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the ball is thrown in this dagger concept, to the
dig route, not the vertical.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But what does Kirk Cousins see.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
He sees the middle hole defender in Cover two with
his back turn. So given that he can be a
very aggressive thrower, what he decides to do is to
throw the vertical, which, as I said, you rarely ever throw.
And he sticks it right on Mooney. This was a
big time throw. It was an aggressive throw. You'll see
it from here just saying, oh wow, this is a throw.
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Like I said, you normally don't make but he made it.
He was obviously feeling it in this game. But this
is what Kirk Cousins is. He can play at a
really high level from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yep, Greg Cosel forty five years NFL films as oh as, Greg, thank.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
You, thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I love what he said about Lamar Jackson. That's as
good as you can play the position. Now, Cincinnati's defense
blah blah blah isn't great, But I will say this,
when's the last time Patrick Mahomes played that well in
a singular game against just any game? I mean Lamar,
Lamar Jackson has these against Buffalo against Cincinnati. Lamar about
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every other week, every third week has a game that
Mahomes hasn't had in like a year and a half.
I mean Mahomes has had the last year and a half,
very few spect He's had spectacular moments. Lamar is having
these games against Cincinnati and Buffalo where it takes your
breath away.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
The only sorry for being negative. These are all regular
season games. Go look at the playoff success, Look at
what Mahomes is doing the in January when it matters more.
And I know I'm a chief Sayer and I'm down
on the Chiefs and I don't want them to win
the Super Bowl. But one guy delivers in January and
the other guy does it. But we kill Lamar l
Is James Harden. He's putting a massive numbers.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Everybody loves to James Harden.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
The playoff time, and all you do is take shots
at him for not.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The difference is is lamar Is is transformational every other
Sunday James Harden, and he's committed, completely, impassionate. James Harden
never committed to defense. You're not sure he's a great teammate.
He's all offense. Like with Lamar I get passion, intensity, work, ethic, focus, production.
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He doesn't win in January. That's a check against him.
But I get like nine checks with him. Give me
all the hardened checks. Selfish, not a great team player,
won't play defense. Is he in good shape, bounced around
the league. I'm offensive offensively gifted, absolutely, and he has
increased his distribution over the last four or five years.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
He's a willing passer.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
But I don't get I get like one great thing
with Lamar, I get like nine boxes checked. The one
that's open. Win more in January. Okay, well Elway didn't
win Super Bowls for a long time.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
That's fair. And just to be clear, James Harden, like
I think it was like five years ago, right before
COVID he was putting up so historic offensive numbers who
were like, this is the best offensive player since Michael Jordan. Yeah,
Katino Mobiley sat here and talked about it.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
But will play a lick on defense?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Didn't play it's on a defense. I mean, all right, fine,
you got me. Jans Harden doesn't play defense.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But I don't think I think the comp works, you know,
to some degree. It's like, okay, they were great here,
but not there. But I with Lamar if you're asking
when you when you don't have a quarterback and you
go to the draft, you're basically trying to check a box.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Are they all in?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Are they passionate? Do they have a good work ethic?
Are they athletic? Are they coachable? Like there's eight boxes
you're checking. You know what you're not checking. Can he
win in January? You don't know. Peyton Manning didn't win
a lot in January until the end. That's not a
box that you asked to check. You have to find
that out, But all the boxes you would look for,
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which is can he learn his system? Can he carry
a team? Will players love him? Is he a leader?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
He's all that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
He's check check check check check check jecks. The winning
in jam is situational. Who do you play? What's the
quarterback coach?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
How many games is the situational for though, Colin? I
mean we've got I know it's a small sample size.
I think he's got six playoff games under his belt,
and it's like, I don't see the greatness that I
see in the regular season. Why is that?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, he's not winning the Masters as Tiger Woods is
in his prime. Mahomes has a lot to do with it.
Lamar can't get through the AFC. Okay, he's like one
in five against the Chiefs. Okay again again, when you're
in Michael Jordan's prime. The Utah Jazz losers, well, they
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were dominating the West. That's something a week West. But
with the Utah Jazz with like Jeff HORNI second is
your third best player.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
I mean, come on, listen, I like Lamar. I know
the haters are gonna be like Jay, you're being mean.
He is an awesome player. Coase all broke it down
like Lamar's immensely talented.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I just right now, right now, he's my MVP.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Okay, he goes. So he wins a third MVP award.
You think he's gonna be happy with that?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Or does he want to win a Super Bowl? I
think I would be happy with it, you would. Yeah,
I'd like to win a Super Bowl two, but it
win an MVP me. It's not like baseball where it
means a lot, but it means something.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
It's like me and my men's league, you know, like,
I don't mind if I don't score, as long as
we've win the championship. That's that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You'd rather score and lose?
Speaker 9 (25:20):
No, no, no, that is incorrect. We got a huge
game tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
By the way, I'll be watching the Niner Seahawks. That's
what I'll be watching.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
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Speaker 1 (25:39):
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Speaker 2 (25:48):
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Speaker 9 (25:52):
News all right, because we haven't done enough Jets talk
this week. More news emerged this morning. New interim coach
Jeff Obrich taking over for Robert Sala, talked to reporters
this morning and said that past game coordinator Todd Downing
is the new play caller, replacing Nathaniel Hackett. Here's Obrich
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on the move.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
We all are familiar with the relationship he has with Nathaniel,
and they're they're they're very, very good friends that go
back a long way. So he was he understood the decision,
and he was supported by the decision. And I'm unfortunate
to that.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
This is just more confusing, Like there was a report
yesterday that Sala went in ready to replace Hackett in
the play caller. Yes, and they fired Sala. So interim
guy comes in, does what Sala was gonna do? What?
Why wouldn't you just keep Sal? I don't understand what
that was going on, Colin.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm still flummoxed by this. Sala's defense played maybe its
best game of the year, the team wins Monday night, They're.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
In first place. The timing of it is bizarre. It
just so to me.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You either think Woody Johnson is a wacko or Aaron
had a push. I mean it just even by Jet standards.
Woody Johnson has never ever, I mean, when Adam Gase
was struggling, there were it was disastrous. He didn't get
his side of the ball right. When Todd Gase, Todd
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Bowles was struggling, You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Sure he's a head coach.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
With Sally, you're like, the defense last three years is
number one total in the league. His responsibility isn't the offense.
We don't expect Tomlin. Tomlin gets a pass on the offense,
McDermott gets a pass, Pete Carroll gets a pass. We're
expecting Robert Solin his first year to be some sort
of Spendalie with prickly Aaron Rodgers in the offense.
Speaker 9 (27:51):
So he wasn't losing the locker room Sala Bodson firing
because he because Rogers hated him.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, that's the only lot.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Why would you Because you had a call, you talk
to Aaron. He didn't have to signal a code red.
Aaron didn't have to say fire him. There are things
that are implied. Aaron could have said, I kind of
feel like we're not we're not holding players accountable. Well
you're not gonna fire Hacket for that, but Aaron acknowledges
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they talked after the game. You don't have to order
the code red. It's sometimes it's understood. I'm when you
say things like I worry about leadership and they're not
holding people accountable. Woody Johnson gets what you're saying, and
like so, wood he wants to protect Aaron, and Aaron
wants to protect Aaron. But it just doesn't make any
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sense that it would just be off that performance. That
was a really good performance. They had a shot to
take the lead and win that game. It was Aaron
who significantly underthrew the receiver.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
So I don't know what this says about me, Colin,
but I'm already kind of over this whole damn season.
I know they're playing for first place Monday. I get
it my in my head, I'm trying to figure out
how the Jets can get a good head coach. And
I'm telling you, with Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback, I
don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
An exact that's that's that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
See.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's what I think is you can't take a job
just because of the roster if you if you go
back and look at who is succeeding, you don't necessarily
need great ownership. Demko Ryans doesn't have good ownership. He's succeeding.
Why he got the quarterback in the OC, right. So
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the Jets, you can't just blame Woody on this because
you can win without the greatest owner. Wood He's not
as bad as Dan Snyder. He's more well funded than
Mark Davis or bid Well in Arizona. So you can win,
you got to get the quarterback, right. So that's my
take the quarterback situation. The New York Jets see that
as a strength, and I don't. I think the strength
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of this team is their cornerback situation, corners, not quarter
and their defensive team. They have an all Pro linebacker
Quinn and William Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
That's the team.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Who does that appeal to? What coaches like, Oh hey,
I can't wait to go coach that defense. I think
that's not the NFL in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You know you know who it appeals to. Mike Rabel.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Oh come on, oh, retread.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I know Brabel's really good.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
I get it. I know he's awesome against the spread.
Does a lot with little or did historically.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I mean young, innovative, smart, offensive guy.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's what I need.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
Give me a Mike mcdadel. Can we steal him from Miami? Really,
here's the problem. Aaron Rodgers is old. So you want
to take the head coaching job and come in for
one year with Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so maybe you're a
five hundred team and then you're not drafting in the
top five to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Who, By the way, young and innovative doesn't work with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He wants control and comfort.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
This idea that young Matt Lafleur was young and innovative
and Aaron wanted to control a big chunk of the offense.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
And had the Packers do last year once Aaron left.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, fine, yeah, you're good. You're trying to sell me
on young and innovative. Aaron doesn't want that.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
I don't care what Aaron wants. I want young and innovative.
That's what's smart around the league, isn't it. Look at
the floor he's got the.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think New York's media fan base noise. Young and
innovative can get swallowed up. Mike Rabel not gonna get
swallowed up by New York.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
That's fair.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
It's also not gonna win a lot anyways. Uh damn it. Day,
let's go to the Cowboys. Colin Big Road win over
Pittsburgh early Monday morning. It wasn't even Sunday night, it
was after midnight. And now they got their work cutout
against the well rested Lions coming off a bike Dallas
three and two somehow, but their losses have come at
Jerry World and DC Mike Zimmer knows how big of
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a challenge it'll be to stop Detroit's high powered offense.
Speaker 10 (31:47):
It's not only that it's an offensive line. They have
just really really good and they do a good job
and and skiming and and get move guys reached and
cut off and then these backs can really hit the
whole good. So again, it'll be a really good test
for us and feel hopefully we hopefully we can continue
to just keep getting better and better and better as
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the season goes on.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Lines come down to minus three. Yeah, very tasty line
at minus three.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Well, you gotta wonder what are people seeing in the
Cowboys now. Michael Parsons is listen, It's questionable he may
he may play a bland. The quarnerback has a chance
to play for Detroit. Ragnow the center who missed the
Seattle game looking like he's trending toward playing. So things
are looking up for both sides health wise.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The Lions run the ball well and control the clock.
The Cowboys don't defend the run.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, I think that when that's the case going into
any game, I'm going to control the line of scrimmage.
That's Dallas does not defend the run. Detroit runs really well.
That feels like the game to me.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
I like when you mentioned the coach quarterback situation, who's
got the edge in the coaching quarterback here Dan CAMPBELLA
McCarthy and Jared Goff and dak No it's a draw.
And then you look at the rest of the rosters
and I think big edge to Detroit. Yes, and Detroit
a fast team on a fast track indoors.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, look at look at who the Cowboys have had
success against, Justin Fields Wash, Deshaun Watson, how they do
against Lamar or one of the early games with Derek
Carr Hammond.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Well, listen, we gotta admit that Detroit secondary is not it's.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Not great that that's the only thing that worries me.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
They play a lot of man. You know, Dak can
carve up the man. They don't. I mean Geno Smith
through for.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
What no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
That my big concern with and I think this is
going to be the undoing of Detroit and why they
won't hoist a trophy. It's like having a bad bullpen.
You can outplay a team. If you can't, if you
can't get him out in the eighth and ninth inning,
ask the Phillies, it's over. So the bottom line is
Detroit is going to have leads and outplay people, and
they're gonna lose games because Gino Smith had thirty eight
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first downs. I mean, do you watch Gino Smith against
the law they defensive front last week in Seattle. Gino
Smith couldn't do anything he was. Gino looked like Barb
in his prime against Detroit.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I do like Hutchison against that offense. The both of
the tackles, it was a big edge for the Steelers.
I go go back and look when her Big goes
out the defensive edge guy opposite Watt, like the Steelers
defense kind of fell apart. I think Hutchison could be
in line for a big game. I'm riding with the Lions,
but there's a lot of respective money on Dallas here, Colin,
I is this placing five.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
For you or right now? It's in the It's in
the five.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Because I haven't heard you mentioned too many games yet
this week.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
All I got a couple of taste.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Final story is the big clash in the NFC West tonight,
Seahawks hosting the Niners. Seattle in first at three and two.
Gino leaves the NFL in passing yards. That's an interesting
nugget first place on the line. Mike McDonald is confident
his quarterback, saying Gino is a bright spot on our
football team. We're gonna be leaning on him. I don't
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like that.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You're leaning on Geno Smith. I just like that it's
a circumstantial. When he faces a weaker defense, sure, he's
very good. When he faces an excellent defense. He struggles
the Giants, well coached, excellent defensive front. He struggled Detroit,
vulnerable in the back end, he was phenomenal, played with
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a ton of confidence. So the Niners are somewhere in between.
Their defense I don't think is as good as the
New York Giants. It's much better, I believe, than Detroit.
It's funny Detroit keeps addressing the secondary, it just doesn't
get better. I mean it's like they sometimes teams draft better,
they draft really well. But I mean they've solved all
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their offensive issues very quickly. They've been trying to fix
his secondary. It feels like for four years.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Hey, by the way, if the Jets lose Monday, call
the Jets that they could offer for DJ Reeve. He's
a free agent. This is coming off season.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That is all.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
And Aaron Glenn is a former Jet corner.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
By the way, that is a great call.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
I'm just trying to get the Jets draft picks so
we can reboot this bad boy because it's looking bleak.
But that is really I think, you know, Dj Read's
gonna be somebody did a list of the top free
agency is like number four in the NFL or four
or five.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
He was a great player.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
He's very talented, very good player. So I don't know
who do you have tonight? Niners favorite by three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You got a play a stay away game. If it's three,
I take San Francisco. I think San Francisco wins, but
the hook I'd stay away.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I'm a little chalky eye. I'm on the over as well.
I like the Niners thirty twenty three ish.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's about it. Yeah, jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
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Speaker 1 (36:41):
All right, we do it every Thursday at this time,
back end of our two.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Here's our big bets.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Matt make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm gonna take Iowa at home minus three, number one
rushing offense in the conference. They'll dominate time of possession.
Washington's in a rebuild offensively, they're young, They've struggled on
the road. The Rutgers name was embarrassing. Washington's lost two
of their last three against unranked opponents, the Cougars and Rutgers.
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This is a team that will play well in spots
at home. They're young, but Iowa dominates time of possession.
All lay the three.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
I'm with you on Iowa. I'm running hot on these
Big ten picks the last few weeks. I like Iowa.
There are some numbers out there, these Big ten teams
that have the cross country travel not going well for them,
and I think I have two of those today. But
I'm with you on Iowa.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Favored by three, I'm gonna take the over forty on
Minnesota in Ucla. First of all, Ucla gets their quarterback back.
But this is a Minnesota team and a Ucla defense
that is awful against the pass. Minnesota, playing with confidence,
can run the football and I think in this spot
will throw the football.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
The Bruins. I think will be game.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They'll play competitively, they get their quarterback back. It'll be
a close game. I like Minnesota to win, but I
do think in this spot, Minnesota will be able to
score some points.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
All right.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
I touched on it earlier this week. Give me the
Trojans and Lincoln Riley at home getting five. I didn't
sprinkle just a little bit on the money line. I
think they can win this out right. This is a
tough travel spot for Penn State. Kitchen sink defensive effort
from USC. You can't lose this game. Go down slinging.
Give me the Trojans getting five.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm taking the Oregon Ducks plus the field goal. Great
at home. They're quarterbacks completing seventy eight percent of his throws.
Ducks have won thirty four of thirty five at home.
By the way, Ohio State lost for their last six
games against top ten opponents, including the last two, Ohio
State can shrink a little in these big pressure games.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
They are the big dog, They're favored.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I will always take points with Oregon at home. I
also think they have their own line right. Two NFL
quarterbacks all take the one at home.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
All right, Well, we're going ahead to head. Gimme Ohio
State and the Buck guys going into enemy territory and
getting the dub. I'm just gonna say, Jeremiah Smith, the
young receiver, the freshman. I know a lot of people
know about him. This is going to be like a
Randy Moss type game from him. Everybody in the country's
going to know how good this kid is. I think
Ohio State wins colin crazy stat Both these teams have
been favored by I think thirteen or more in every
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game of this season. I love Ohio State. Here give
be the buck guys, best team in the country. Sorry Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Well, I think yeah, I think Ohio State's gonna play
for the national championship. This is October, Eugene. Going to
be a tough one.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Very excited for this game.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
There you go, it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Julian Edelman will be joining us in.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
The last hour. Boys show us flown by today. That's
a good sign. Two down, one to go.
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Here we go. It's hour two.
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Speaker 4 (00:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Last time, I'm sitting there and so I had to
watch two baseball games. Didn't have to, but I wanted to.
So I sit and watch two baseball games. I opened
up the side door to the outside balcony in my place.
And I didn't eat dinner last night, not interested. I
didn't want to get full and tired. I wanted to
stay up late. So and I was watching the hurricane
coverage some dear friends down in Naples and friends, So
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I want to kind of watch all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And I had to watch the baseball games.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Lit up a cigar poort of cocktails, sat there for
three or four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It was big living.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But well, I really had an epiphany as I was
sitting watching these games and I was I was sitting
there and I was just devastating hurricane coverage, and it's like,
you know what, man, you got to be grateful. I
feel I felt so gutted while all those people in
Florida that have had hurricanes, after hurricanes, they're you know,
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they had to leave town, bring out the credit card,
you're you're paying at hotels, you go back, you could
come home, your house would be destroyed. I just it
made me sick to my stomach watching all that stuff.
So godspeed to all the people in Florida that are
dealing with this. There's people that care about you. That
stuff was so hard to watch last night, and uh,
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just it was be grateful, be grateful, and I know
those people are. But there's there's people coming back to
their home and they're gonna be missing loved ones. The
house is gonna be destroyed. Uh devastating. So Greg calls
selling about five minutes, I want to bring this up.
So Caleb Williams and the Bears offense a couple of
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weeks ago before the Rams game, they went According to
Jay Glazer, they went to the coaching staff on offense
and said, we're not a Pop Warner team. Give us
stuff to do well. Since that time they're two to zero.
Caleb Williams is completing seventy one percent of his throws.
They challenged him he's a smart kid. Eight point nine
yards in attempt, no picks, passer rating at one seventeen.
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So basically they were babysitting him, which I'm not against.
But he went to Shane Waldron and just said, guys,
load up, load up the play sheet. We're not a
Pop Warner team. Let's roll the dice. And it's worked.
DJ Moore, who he loves throwing to. They had a
great connection back of the end zone this week said,
uh yeah, Caleb's gotten a little bossy.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
It's amazing. No, he's taking those strides that he needs to.
He's been bossy lately. Tell us that we need to
be on the details, but we really do for him
to be the best player, he needs to.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Be by the way.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Caleb Williams, when asked about the comments from d J
Moore saying he was bossy, said, I don't know. He
sounds kind of sassy. Uh leadership, We'll go ahead, play
the butt.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I want to hear of PBF to talk very.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Debably.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Don't have certain people you can be a little bossy
with a certain PBF to talk very monotone and and
and and control of yourself O the time. Just people
that you can just kind of lash out. And I
don't really lash out much. It's not really my uh
my vibe, but you know, just just always coming over
and talk to you know, like guys when I can,
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growing up a little bit, being able to go over
and talk to them, understand you know how and and
and what they need to hear, and then from there, Uh,
moving on.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So Jayden Daniels looks like money. Caleb last couple of
weeks looks very good. Bone Knicks now is on a
little bit of a heater.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Looks like we got threequarterbacks as rookies and they're working.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's good for all of us. Better the quarterback play,
better the TV product, better the league. And we talked
about this.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We said the NFC needs to hit on some of
these quarterbacks because the AFC yout CJ. Stroud to hit
and Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Burrow, the NFC
getting old and average at quarterback. They got hit on
some of these guys. It looks like Caleb's going to
be a star. Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix, I think has
a chance to be really good. Same with JJ McCarthy.
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They're just not playing. They're behind McCarthy obviously injured, but
they're behind really capable veterans. With that, we go to
Greg Cosel forty five years NFL Films is joining us.
I want to start with Aaron because everybody got up,
I presume, and watched the Sunday game in London and
we said before that happened, we said, Woody Johnson has
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been the ambassador of the UK. He's going to have
all his billionaire buddies in the box. If they don't
win against Sam Darnold v x Jet, it could be
truble and then Sally gets fired. But one of the
other things. And I through the years, you and I
think I've talked about this, either privately or on the air.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I can tell how Aaron's playing by his mood. I
can't with Dak, I can't with Kirk Cousins. I can't
Deck did not play well in space or in red zone.
This weekend with the Steelers didn't bother him in the
final drive deck very stoic high eq.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I can tell when he's throwing a pick. I can
watch him and see him speed up to the OC.
So some of this stuff we can blame Salah. But
I've got to tell you, Greg, I think Aaron gets
breezy and casual too much off the back foot. I
don't love the way he's playing. But does the film
disagree with that? On Aaron's performance?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Well this game and again I know the firing occurred
and everybody speculating, I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I watch the tape. The Vikings are a really difficult
team to play against with their defense.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
They show you a lot of front looks. They show
you seven man fronts, so you have to protect.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They show you a lot of late coverage rotation.
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The yards are hard to come by against this defense
unless someone makes a mistake on the back end. You
do not get big plays in the passing game against
this defense. They only had one pass play of more
than twenty five yards in the entire game. Now, Rogers
made some really good throws in this game, somewhere dropped.
But the bottom line is he was under duress. They
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forced you to keep a running back into pass protect
so it limits the number of eligibles you can send out.
Breese Hall's a great receiver. They couldn't use them in
that way in this game. So this is not a
good litmus test game for judging either Aaron Rodgers or
the Jets offense. He still throws the ball beautifully. We
know he got hurt in this game. He got hit
an awful lot the right tackle. The rookie Fishanu from
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Penn State is really struggling in one on.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
One pass protection.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
I think he probably has to play for another week
until Morgan Moses is healthy. But this week, just watching
that tape, that was a tough, tough go for the
entire offense and for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Let's talk Caleb Williams, so, Jade and Daniels obviously playing well.
I'm a fan of bo Knicks. He's getting more confident.
They're winning games, kind of overachieving. But it does feel
like the last two weeks, just the eye test.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
That he his feed are better. He's not as frenetic.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I when I watch him, he feels just calmer, which
you know, the veteran guys all feel that, but Kirk
Cousins could be overtime. Kirk always looks under control. Caleb
didn't in the first couple of weeks. So what are
they doing? What is Shane Waldron doing to settle him down?
His accuracy the last two weeks, Greg is over seventy percent.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Well, what they're doing and the tape is really clear here,
Colin is they're really defining the reds and the throws
him so beautifully, which is the job of the coaching staff.
So in other words, you want to put your quarterback
in a position where when he drops back if you
can do it. And obviously this all stems from probability
and tendency in given situations, understanding what the defense is
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going to show you and what route concepts will work
against that tendency, that probability. They're defining it so clearly
for him that they're giving him basically one read, maybe
two at most, but one read so that it's clean.
I mean, he hit some plays last week. The second
touchdown to more was a beautiful example of that. We're
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looking at that right now where they really made it
clean for him through the use of formation and through
the route concepts, so you really want to define it
as well as you can.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
They've been doing a great job with that.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
It was particularly evident this week, and I'm sure they'll
continue to do that because then you allow him to
play decisively. You never want your quarterback feeling like he's
stuck in the pocket with nowhere to throw the football.
And the last couple of weeks he's looked a lot
cleaner in the pocket because I think he's felt that
he knows where to go with the football.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So Baltimore and Washington, it looks like, for the time
being and going forward, could end up being a juicy
rivalry where you have the great Lamar Jackson and sort
of look Lamar Light. Maybe he's not Lamar Light, Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
They moved.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
This is a proud football loving part of the country.
So Lamar Jackson. Last several weeks we worried about the
old line, he is just fine. What's the film say?
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I gotta tell you, Colin, I watched that tape this
week obviously of Lamar versus the Bengals, and I'm watching
this and Luan Aramo the Bengals DC is doing so
many different things. I mean, he emptied the bucket in
terms of what he did with his fronts, with his pressures,
with his coverages, with all the rotations, the different looks,
and I thought Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Was absolutely sensational. You know, I've seen a lot of games.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Obviously, I've seen every Lamar game in the NFL, So
I can't sit here and say it's the best I've
ever seen him.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He's obviously played a lot of good games.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
But I thought in this game, given what Luan Arama
was showing him and what he did throughout the game,
because obviously in some ways it was kind of a
must win for the Bengals, I thought Lamar Jackson was
absolutely fantastic. It was as good as that I can
recall seeing him. He saw things well, he threw the
ball exceptionally well.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
He just looked absolutely terrific.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, Jaden Daniels has since week two on has looked fantastic.
I thought the O line for them was going to
be an issue. When the quarterback's playing well, that doesn't
look like a problem. Obviously, Jaden's terrific. Does he get
a majority of the credit here? Is it somebody else
or something else.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Well, here's something that really stood out to me.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You know, normally when I watch tape Colin, I don't
look at stats before I watched tape. I watched the
tape and if I noticed something, then I'll see if
statistics validate what I'm seeing. And I'm watching them over
these last number of weeks, and I'm seeing a lot
of no huddle and I'm thinking to myself, Wow, that's
really interesting no huddle for a rookie quarterback, because at
some point, with no huddle, the quarterback does have to
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be able to assess what the defense is. Yes, he
can get the play, but then he's at the line
of scrimmage. The defense can move, the defense can change.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But here's the deal.
They've got the most no huddle snaps of any team
in the league for a rookie quarterback. To me, that
says an awful lot about his understanding of the game,
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his ability to see things the right way quickly. So
jayde Daniels, besides the obvious physical attributes, is obviously a
really intelligent player, and they're giving him a good amount
of freedom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So I was one of those who said I didn't
like Daniel Jones being picked six. I didn't like them
doubling down with him. But I'm watching the last couple
of weeks and I three weeks ago I said on
the show, don't sell your giant stock. This old line
is actually really good and I thought it totally controlled
the Seahawks who were beat up on their defensive front.
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But beyond that, Daniel Jones isn't making the mistakes. Remember
his first two years, three years, it was fumbles constantly,
it was bad throws. You know, day Ball has sort
of coached the reckless out of him. It can't all
be coaching. You have to have some capability here. What
does the film say on Daniel Jones on the Giants offense?
Speaker 8 (12:31):
And I think it is a lot of coaching to
some extent because one of the things, and Colin you
watch quarterbacks in great detail, I know you do. One
of the things we used to see from Daniel Jones
a lot was he'd get stuck in the pocket with
nowhere to throw the football in his mind. This past
week and maybe for a week or so, now we've
seen where he drops back and the ball is coming out.
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There's a sense of timing and rhythm to his game.
Daniel Jones is not a great thrower of the football.
He's not a great deep ball thrower, but short, short, intermediate,
he throws the ball very very well, and if you
can really define it for him, in some ways, it's
similar to what's happening with Caleb Williams. If it's clean
for him, if he can hit that back foot and
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feel that he knows where to go with the football
and be decisive in the pocket. And obviously every offensive
coordinator is trying to do this. Some do it better
than others. But this past week against the Seahawks, he
really looked comfortable playing the position.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
He did not get stuck in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So Jordan Love comes into the season beat up. We
pay attention to Lafleur and Malik Willis. It's still a
very young team. We don't know if he's one hundred percent,
but he's playing. He's effective. I've always felt he's more
far than Aaron. He can be a little loose. He's
not quite as precise as Aaron, but there's a he's
a gamer. He let it rip and I like him. So,
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you know, let's look at the last four quarters six
quarters where are we with Green Bays offense and Jordan
Love today?
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Well, I really like what Matt Lafleur does with the offense.
They're very creative, their use of shifts and motions, the
way they use Jaden Reid, who's there number one. But
you know, obviously we're not going to talk about him
as if he's Jamar Chaser Justin Jefferson, but the way
they use him, he's a big motion receiver. The way
they've used the tight end craft has become a factor
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in their offense. He's a very interesting player. But just
the way they deploy their personnel I think really helps
Jordan Love And you've nailed it. He can be a
little reckless and undisciplined at times, but he's a high
level traits quarterback who can basically make every throw and
he's got mobility. But it's just a very fun offense
to watch because they really do an excellent job of
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attacking and breaking down defenses with their shifts and their motions.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So, you know, it's funny when you know certain quarterbacks
throw a bad pick, like a Stafford or Mahomes, you know,
we chalk it up to, hey, they're risk takers. We
don't give a lot of other quarterbacks that benefit. Mahomes
has thrown some stinkers this year, but I do feel
like before Rashi Rice, they've sort of established a number
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one receiver and now they're kind of kind of trying
to Juju Smith, Schuster, Kareem Hunt. It's a little hammin ega,
but it's working. But there's something about this defense. We
know Chris Jones is like Aaron Donald's virtually unblockable, but
after that it's Bolton, It's good corner. Is Spags actually undervalued?
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Is this defense on film really what impresses you?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (15:36):
The schematics and the tactics of this defense are phenomenal.
The way they use pressures in given situations, third downs,
high leverage, critical situations. There may not be a better
blitz decoordinator in the NFL than Spags when it comes
to those situations. And the way he uses his defensive
backs Colin as pressure players. I'm sure that they are
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number one or number two in the league in the
use of defensive backs as blitzers.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And he does such a good job.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
You take a player like Jamari Connor, people might not
even know who he is.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He's number twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
He's become such a valuable piece in their defense because
he can blitz and he can do multiple things. But
that's where Spags is so good and where he shines
the ability to create pressure concepts that are very, very
difficult to really see and pick up for the offense.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Before we get to our play of the week, J
Mackis said he's been right on this. He said, you know,
you take out Nico Collins from CJ. Stroud, I've been saying,
you take out Joe Mixon. As good as CJ is
young quarterbacks, I mean, DeAndre Swift starts running effectively. Caleb
Williams looks better, right, So but take Nico Collins out
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of c J. Stroud in the offense, how big of
a negative a hit is it?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It'll be different. I mean, I love Stroud. I think
that he's a phenomen anticipation thrower.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
He sees it beautifully.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
He was unbelievable and third down last week against the
Bills making some really big time throws from the pocket.
But they lose that vertical element now and you're you know,
you're seeing it. They lose that because they'll probably play
Xavier Hutchinson, a player I liked coming out of college
at Iowa State. But he's not a vertical dimension. So
they don't truly have a vertical dimension right now, so
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it'll be different. But you know, Bobby Slowick is their
offensive coordinator. He came from the Niners. The Niners didn't
really have a true vertical dimension either, so he's aware
of how to put together an offense and a pass
game without having that particular player. I think it'll look
different Colin, but I don't think that it'll be a
big problem for CJ.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So finally, what was your reaction We had him on
the day after the five hundred yard performance for Kirk Cousin.
What was your initial thought.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
I thought it was one of the best performances I'd see,
and I had a coach reach out to me on
Saturday morning two days after and say he couldn't remember
seeing such an incredible passing performance against the defense that
was putting so much pressure on a quarterback. I mean,
it was just a remarkable performance. We know what Cousins is.
It took him a little while this season to get
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back into it. You know, he's an old school quarterback
in the sense that there's always going to be a
place in the game for quarterbacks that can drop back
play from the pocket, throw it to the right receiver
at the right time with the right kind of throw.
We spoke about that with Jared Goff last week. You know,
Cousins is that kind of quarterback. We're actually looking at
a play. We just passed the play that I'm going
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to show, so we can certainly get to that play
because this, to me was a remarkable throw and it
was actually a throw that you normally don't ask your
quarterback to make. So let's take a look at This
was the touchdown to Mooney that we're taking a look
at as our play, and it was really interesting because
the concept, the ball normally does not go to that
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receiver in this concept, So you're going to see Cousins
in the gun and you're going to get trips to
the wide side of the field.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Three receivers. They're in a bunch.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Look now, the initial look here defensively is that it's
man coverage.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
That's what it looks like initially.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
So let's talk about what the route concept is because
it's what we call dagger. So the inside receiver, who's
Mooney here, he's the point man in the bunch. I
believe he's going to run a vertical route, the inside vertical,
then hide from the outside is going to run the
dig underneath him. That's called dagger. That's the route concept.
It's in everybody's playbook. But now what happens defensively you're
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seeing the two deep safeties, but this is going to
become not two man coverage, it's going to become cover two.
So the coverage look changes at the snap of the ball.
Now you have to understand one thing here. The dagger
concept that is meant to be thrown to the dig
d nine point nine percent of the time. That's where
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the ball is thrown in this dagger concept, to the
dig route, not the vertical.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But what does Kirk Cousins see.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
He sees the middle hole defender in Cover two with
his back turn. So given that he can be a
very aggressive thrower, what he decides to do is to
throw the vertical, which, as I said, you rarely ever throw.
And he sticks it right on Mooney. This was a
big time throw. It was an aggressive throw. You'll see
it from here just saying, oh wow, this is a throw.
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Like I said, you normally don't make but he made it.
He was obviously feeling it in this game. But this
is what Kirk Cousins is. He can play at a
really high level from the pocket.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yep, Greg Cosel forty five years NFL films as oh as, Greg, thank.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
You, thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I love what he said about Lamar Jackson. That's as
good as you can play the position. Now, Cincinnati's defense
blah blah blah isn't great, But I will say this,
when's the last time Patrick Mahomes played that well in
a singular game against just any game? I mean Lamar,
Lamar Jackson has these against Buffalo against Cincinnati. Lamar about
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every other week, every third week has a game that
Mahomes hasn't had in like a year and a half.
I mean Mahomes has had the last year and a half,
very few spect He's had spectacular moments. Lamar is having
these games against Cincinnati and Buffalo where it takes your
breath away.
Speaker 9 (21:29):
The only sorry for being negative. These are all regular
season games. Go look at the playoff success, Look at
what Mahomes is doing the in January when it matters more.
And I know I'm a chief Sayer and I'm down
on the Chiefs and I don't want them to win
the Super Bowl. But one guy delivers in January and
the other guy does it. But we kill Lamar l
Is James Harden. He's putting a massive numbers.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Everybody loves to James Harden.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
The playoff time, and all you do is take shots
at him for not.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The difference is is lamar Is is transformational every other
Sunday James Harden, and he's committed, completely, impassionate. James Harden
never committed to defense. You're not sure he's a great teammate.
He's all offense. Like with Lamar I get passion, intensity, work, ethic, focus, production.
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He doesn't win in January. That's a check against him.
But I get like nine checks with him. Give me
all the hardened checks. Selfish, not a great team player,
won't play defense. Is he in good shape, bounced around
the league. I'm offensive offensively gifted, absolutely, and he has
increased his distribution over the last four or five years.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
He's a willing passer.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
But I don't get I get like one great thing
with Lamar, I get like nine boxes checked. The one
that's open. Win more in January. Okay, well Elway didn't
win Super Bowls for a long time.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
That's fair. And just to be clear, James Harden, like
I think it was like five years ago, right before
COVID he was putting up so historic offensive numbers who
were like, this is the best offensive player since Michael Jordan. Yeah,
Katino Mobiley sat here and talked about it.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
But will play a lick on defense?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Didn't play it's on a defense. I mean, all right, fine,
you got me. Jans Harden doesn't play defense.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But I don't think I think the comp works, you know,
to some degree. It's like, okay, they were great here,
but not there. But I with Lamar if you're asking
when you when you don't have a quarterback and you
go to the draft, you're basically trying to check a box.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Are they all in?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Are they passionate? Do they have a good work ethic?
Are they athletic? Are they coachable? Like there's eight boxes
you're checking. You know what you're not checking. Can he
win in January? You don't know. Peyton Manning didn't win
a lot in January until the end. That's not a
box that you asked to check. You have to find
that out, But all the boxes you would look for,
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which is can he learn his system? Can he carry
a team? Will players love him? Is he a leader?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (23:56):
He's all that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
He's check check check check check check jecks. The winning
in jam is situational. Who do you play? What's the
quarterback coach?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
How many games is the situational for though, Colin? I
mean we've got I know it's a small sample size.
I think he's got six playoff games under his belt,
and it's like, I don't see the greatness that I
see in the regular season. Why is that?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, he's not winning the Masters as Tiger Woods is
in his prime. Mahomes has a lot to do with it.
Lamar can't get through the AFC. Okay, he's like one
in five against the Chiefs. Okay again again, when you're
in Michael Jordan's prime. The Utah Jazz losers, well, they
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were dominating the West. That's something a week West. But
with the Utah Jazz with like Jeff HORNI second is
your third best player.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
I mean, come on, listen, I like Lamar. I know
the haters are gonna be like Jay, you're being mean.
He is an awesome player. Coase all broke it down
like Lamar's immensely talented.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I just right now, right now, he's my MVP.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Okay, he goes. So he wins a third MVP award.
You think he's gonna be happy with that?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Or does he want to win a Super Bowl? I
think I would be happy with it, you would. Yeah,
I'd like to win a Super Bowl two, but it
win an MVP me. It's not like baseball where it
means a lot, but it means something.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
It's like me and my men's league, you know, like,
I don't mind if I don't score, as long as
we've win the championship. That's that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You'd rather score and lose?
Speaker 9 (25:20):
No, no, no, that is incorrect. We got a huge
game tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
By the way, I'll be watching the Niner Seahawks. That's
what I'll be watching.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
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Speaker 2 (25:48):
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Speaker 9 (25:52):
News all right, because we haven't done enough Jets talk
this week. More news emerged this morning. New interim coach
Jeff Obrich taking over for Robert Sala, talked to reporters
this morning and said that past game coordinator Todd Downing
is the new play caller, replacing Nathaniel Hackett. Here's Obrich
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on the move.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
We all are familiar with the relationship he has with Nathaniel,
and they're they're they're very, very good friends that go
back a long way. So he was he understood the decision,
and he was supported by the decision. And I'm unfortunate
to that.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
This is just more confusing, Like there was a report
yesterday that Sala went in ready to replace Hackett in
the play caller. Yes, and they fired Sala. So interim
guy comes in, does what Sala was gonna do? What?
Why wouldn't you just keep Sal? I don't understand what
that was going on, Colin.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm still flummoxed by this. Sala's defense played maybe its
best game of the year, the team wins Monday night, They're.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
In first place. The timing of it is bizarre. It
just so to me.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You either think Woody Johnson is a wacko or Aaron
had a push. I mean it just even by Jet standards.
Woody Johnson has never ever, I mean, when Adam Gase
was struggling, there were it was disastrous. He didn't get
his side of the ball right. When Todd Gase, Todd
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Bowles was struggling, You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Sure he's a head coach.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
With Sally, you're like, the defense last three years is
number one total in the league. His responsibility isn't the offense.
We don't expect Tomlin. Tomlin gets a pass on the offense,
McDermott gets a pass, Pete Carroll gets a pass. We're
expecting Robert Solin his first year to be some sort
of Spendalie with prickly Aaron Rodgers in the offense.
Speaker 9 (27:51):
So he wasn't losing the locker room Sala Bodson firing
because he because Rogers hated him.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, that's the only lot.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Why would you Because you had a call, you talk
to Aaron. He didn't have to signal a code red.
Aaron didn't have to say fire him. There are things
that are implied. Aaron could have said, I kind of
feel like we're not we're not holding players accountable. Well
you're not gonna fire Hacket for that, but Aaron acknowledges
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they talked after the game. You don't have to order
the code red. It's sometimes it's understood. I'm when you
say things like I worry about leadership and they're not
holding people accountable. Woody Johnson gets what you're saying, and
like so, wood he wants to protect Aaron, and Aaron
wants to protect Aaron. But it just doesn't make any
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sense that it would just be off that performance. That
was a really good performance. They had a shot to
take the lead and win that game. It was Aaron
who significantly underthrew the receiver.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
So I don't know what this says about me, Colin,
but I'm already kind of over this whole damn season.
I know they're playing for first place Monday. I get
it my in my head, I'm trying to figure out
how the Jets can get a good head coach. And
I'm telling you, with Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback, I
don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
An exact that's that's that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
See.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's what I think is you can't take a job
just because of the roster if you if you go
back and look at who is succeeding, you don't necessarily
need great ownership. Demko Ryans doesn't have good ownership. He's succeeding.
Why he got the quarterback in the OC, right. So
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the Jets, you can't just blame Woody on this because
you can win without the greatest owner. Wood He's not
as bad as Dan Snyder. He's more well funded than
Mark Davis or bid Well in Arizona. So you can win,
you got to get the quarterback, right. So that's my
take the quarterback situation. The New York Jets see that
as a strength, and I don't. I think the strength
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of this team is their cornerback situation, corners, not quarter
and their defensive team. They have an all Pro linebacker
Quinn and William Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
That's the team.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Who does that appeal to? What coaches like, Oh hey,
I can't wait to go coach that defense. I think
that's not the NFL in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
You know you know who it appeals to. Mike Rabel.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Oh come on, oh, retread.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I know Brabel's really good.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
I get it. I know he's awesome against the spread.
Does a lot with little or did historically.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I mean young, innovative, smart, offensive guy.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's what I need.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
Give me a Mike mcdadel. Can we steal him from Miami? Really,
here's the problem. Aaron Rodgers is old. So you want
to take the head coaching job and come in for
one year with Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so maybe you're a
five hundred team and then you're not drafting in the
top five to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Who, By the way, young and innovative doesn't work with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He wants control and comfort.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
This idea that young Matt Lafleur was young and innovative
and Aaron wanted to control a big chunk of the offense.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
And had the Packers do last year once Aaron left.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, fine, yeah, you're good. You're trying to sell me
on young and innovative. Aaron doesn't want that.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
I don't care what Aaron wants. I want young and innovative.
That's what's smart around the league, isn't it. Look at
the floor he's got the.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think New York's media fan base noise. Young and
innovative can get swallowed up. Mike Rabel not gonna get
swallowed up by New York.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
That's fair.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
It's also not gonna win a lot anyways. Uh damn it. Day,
let's go to the Cowboys. Colin Big Road win over
Pittsburgh early Monday morning. It wasn't even Sunday night, it
was after midnight. And now they got their work cutout
against the well rested Lions coming off a bike Dallas
three and two somehow, but their losses have come at
Jerry World and DC Mike Zimmer knows how big of
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a challenge it'll be to stop Detroit's high powered offense.
Speaker 10 (31:47):
It's not only that it's an offensive line. They have
just really really good and they do a good job
and and skiming and and get move guys reached and
cut off and then these backs can really hit the
whole good. So again, it'll be a really good test
for us and feel hopefully we hopefully we can continue
to just keep getting better and better and better as
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the season goes on.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Lines come down to minus three. Yeah, very tasty line
at minus three.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Well, you gotta wonder what are people seeing in the
Cowboys now. Michael Parsons is listen, It's questionable he may
he may play a bland. The quarnerback has a chance
to play for Detroit. Ragnow the center who missed the
Seattle game looking like he's trending toward playing. So things
are looking up for both sides health wise.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The Lions run the ball well and control the clock.
The Cowboys don't defend the run.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, I think that when that's the case going into
any game, I'm going to control the line of scrimmage.
That's Dallas does not defend the run. Detroit runs really well.
That feels like the game to me.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
I like when you mentioned the coach quarterback situation, who's
got the edge in the coaching quarterback here Dan CAMPBELLA
McCarthy and Jared Goff and dak No it's a draw.
And then you look at the rest of the rosters
and I think big edge to Detroit. Yes, and Detroit
a fast team on a fast track indoors.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, look at look at who the Cowboys have had
success against, Justin Fields Wash, Deshaun Watson, how they do
against Lamar or one of the early games with Derek
Carr Hammond.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Well, listen, we gotta admit that Detroit secondary is not it's.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Not great that that's the only thing that worries me.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
They play a lot of man. You know, Dak can
carve up the man. They don't. I mean Geno Smith
through for.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
What no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
That my big concern with and I think this is
going to be the undoing of Detroit and why they
won't hoist a trophy. It's like having a bad bullpen.
You can outplay a team. If you can't, if you
can't get him out in the eighth and ninth inning,
ask the Phillies, it's over. So the bottom line is
Detroit is going to have leads and outplay people, and
they're gonna lose games because Gino Smith had thirty eight
(33:56):
first downs. I mean, do you watch Gino Smith against
the law they defensive front last week in Seattle. Gino
Smith couldn't do anything he was. Gino looked like Barb
in his prime against Detroit.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
I do like Hutchison against that offense. The both of
the tackles, it was a big edge for the Steelers.
I go go back and look when her Big goes
out the defensive edge guy opposite Watt, like the Steelers
defense kind of fell apart. I think Hutchison could be
in line for a big game. I'm riding with the Lions,
but there's a lot of respective money on Dallas here, Colin,
I is this placing five.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
For you or right now? It's in the It's in
the five.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Because I haven't heard you mentioned too many games yet
this week.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
All I got a couple of taste.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Final story is the big clash in the NFC West tonight,
Seahawks hosting the Niners. Seattle in first at three and two.
Gino leaves the NFL in passing yards. That's an interesting
nugget first place on the line. Mike McDonald is confident
his quarterback, saying Gino is a bright spot on our
football team. We're gonna be leaning on him. I don't
(34:57):
like that.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You're leaning on Geno Smith. I just like that it's
a circumstantial. When he faces a weaker defense, sure, he's
very good. When he faces an excellent defense. He struggles
the Giants, well coached, excellent defensive front. He struggled Detroit,
vulnerable in the back end, he was phenomenal, played with
(35:19):
a ton of confidence. So the Niners are somewhere in between.
Their defense I don't think is as good as the
New York Giants. It's much better, I believe, than Detroit.
It's funny Detroit keeps addressing the secondary, it just doesn't
get better. I mean it's like they sometimes teams draft better,
they draft really well. But I mean they've solved all
(35:40):
their offensive issues very quickly. They've been trying to fix
his secondary. It feels like for four years.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Hey, by the way, if the Jets lose Monday, call
the Jets that they could offer for DJ Reeve. He's
a free agent. This is coming off season.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That is all.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
And Aaron Glenn is a former Jet corner.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
By the way, that is a great call.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
I'm just trying to get the Jets draft picks so
we can reboot this bad boy because it's looking bleak.
But that is really I think, you know, Dj Read's
gonna be somebody did a list of the top free
agency is like number four in the NFL or four
or five.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
He was a great player.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
He's very talented, very good player. So I don't know
who do you have tonight? Niners favorite by three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You got a play a stay away game. If it's three,
I take San Francisco. I think San Francisco wins, but
the hook I'd stay away.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I'm a little chalky eye. I'm on the over as well.
I like the Niners thirty twenty three ish.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's about it. Yeah, jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
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Speaker 1 (36:41):
All right, we do it every Thursday at this time,
back end of our two.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Here's our big bets.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Matt make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm gonna take Iowa at home minus three, number one
rushing offense in the conference. They'll dominate time of possession.
Washington's in a rebuild offensively, they're young, They've struggled on
the road. The Rutgers name was embarrassing. Washington's lost two
of their last three against unranked opponents, the Cougars and Rutgers.
(37:21):
This is a team that will play well in spots
at home. They're young, but Iowa dominates time of possession.
All lay the three.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
I'm with you on Iowa. I'm running hot on these
Big ten picks the last few weeks. I like Iowa.
There are some numbers out there, these Big ten teams
that have the cross country travel not going well for them,
and I think I have two of those today. But
I'm with you on Iowa.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Favored by three, I'm gonna take the over forty on
Minnesota in Ucla. First of all, Ucla gets their quarterback back.
But this is a Minnesota team and a Ucla defense
that is awful against the pass. Minnesota, playing with confidence,
can run the football and I think in this spot
will throw the football.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
The Bruins. I think will be game.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They'll play competitively, they get their quarterback back. It'll be
a close game. I like Minnesota to win, but I
do think in this spot, Minnesota will be able to
score some points.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
All right.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
I touched on it earlier this week. Give me the
Trojans and Lincoln Riley at home getting five. I didn't
sprinkle just a little bit on the money line. I
think they can win this out right. This is a
tough travel spot for Penn State. Kitchen sink defensive effort
from USC. You can't lose this game. Go down slinging.
Give me the Trojans getting five.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm taking the Oregon Ducks plus the field goal. Great
at home. They're quarterbacks completing seventy eight percent of his throws.
Ducks have won thirty four of thirty five at home.
By the way, Ohio State lost for their last six
games against top ten opponents, including the last two, Ohio
State can shrink a little in these big pressure games.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
They are the big dog, They're favored.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I will always take points with Oregon at home. I
also think they have their own line right. Two NFL
quarterbacks all take the one at home.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
All right, Well, we're going ahead to head. Gimme Ohio
State and the Buck guys going into enemy territory and
getting the dub. I'm just gonna say, Jeremiah Smith, the
young receiver, the freshman. I know a lot of people
know about him. This is going to be like a
Randy Moss type game from him. Everybody in the country's
going to know how good this kid is. I think
Ohio State wins colin crazy stat Both these teams have
been favored by I think thirteen or more in every
(39:28):
game of this season. I love Ohio State. Here give
be the buck guys, best team in the country. Sorry Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Well, I think yeah, I think Ohio State's gonna play
for the national championship. This is October, Eugene. Going to
be a tough one.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Very excited for this game.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
There you go, it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Julian Edelman will be joining us in.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
The last hour. Boys show us flown by today. That's
a good sign. Two down, one to go.
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