October 14, 2024 • 38 mins
Colin explains why he's not surprised the Lions dominated the Cowboys and what Dallas needs to realize in order to get back into Super Bowl contention. He tells you why he was right about Lamar Jackson and wrong about USC. Plus 3x Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck joins the show in studio
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Monday, and we are Redded two roll
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be watching. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Well well, well, we said
before the weekend an oil leak would begin this weekend
with the Dallas Cowboys. My bad, it was a gusher.
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Uh Jmac. There are a lot of things going on
this weekend. The Dodgers have decided they're not gonna allow
any more scoring the rest of the playoff. That's insane.
Do you have a good weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Palace football was a credit on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Phenomenal weekend, all right. Jerry Jones on his birthday, that was,
believe it or not, the worst home loss of his career.
On his eighty second Thursday. That's sand a lot because
Jerry's first year owning the Cowboys was nineteen eighty nine,
and they were one in fifteen and they finished in
fifth place in the NFC East. You can't even do that.
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There is no fifth place in the NFC East. And
they were terrible, and that yesterday was a worst home loss.
They may be shrewd doing business off the field, but
they were shameful on the field. The NFL has gotten
smarter over the last decade, more good coaches, more sharp executives,
and the Cowboys along that same timeline have become much
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more insular. The only team in the NFL with an
eighty two year old GM wink wink. And he's not
firing Mike McCarthy. He's not gonna do that. We'll get
to that in a second, but that's not gonna work.
The Detroit Lions, though yesterday, were everything the Cowboys want
to be. Deep, tough, clever, fun, capable at quarterback. Nobody's
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massively overpaid. In fact, I'd argue many of their best
players are right now under market value. They were everything
the Cowboys want to be. In fact, their OH line,
the Lions all line had two touches and a target.
I'm not like talking about falling on a fumble. These
were intentional. They were going to embarrass the Cowboys. It
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was like the Chiefs against the Saints. They were messing around,
flexing for the TV audience. After that Cowboy win shouldn't
have over Detroit last December. So, I mean, what you
were watching was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. And I said
it going into the season the Super I can't take
the Cowboys seriously. If we can't take a team seriously
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with an eighty two year old owner slash GM, too
many Joneses in the front office, you need outside influence
and eyeballs and voices. They're not a Super Bowl team.
They're not close to it. And the truth is, oh,
they won twelve games the last two years. Previous to
this one, the NFC's been down. Green Bay got rid
of Aaron Rodgers in a very quick rebuild with a
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young quarterback, and the Lions were good for a couple
of years. But now all those young players are no
longer young. The Niners ended up finding Brock Purty, who
just keeps getting better. You start look at Washington now
as a real football team, Oh Minnesota, Chicago's got Caleb Williams.
It was there for the taking the last two years
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in the NFC, it was there. The Rams were rebuilding,
the Packers were too young. You know, Chicago didn't have
the quarterback. Minnesota was trying to draft the quarterback. Now
the NFC at the top can play with the AFC.
And Dallas won twelve games. But the more Jerry dabbles
in football, the sadder January becomes for Dallas. You can't
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be an owner slash GM. That's just not the way
it works. Jerry's running the franchise the way he wants to,
not the way it should be run. The way it
should be run is San Francisco, so you can find
Brock Purdy with the last pick, or in Philadelphia where
they have a loaded roster and yet always have money
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to spend. That's the way it should be run. Or
like Kansas any year Baltimore. Why does Baltimore always have
so many good players that they can move off great
ones and the next year they're just fine. Dallas right now, Hey, hey,
Dak got the bag and Cowboy fans are left holding it.
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Here was Jerry on Testy tey Ta ta with the
media in regards to potentially replacing Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Would it take you to evalue making a head coaching
change in season?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh, I haven't considered that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I'm not considering that, So you're clear. I'm not considering that,
but you've done it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I wouldn't be a hypothetical in that matter.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Do you think I'm an idiot?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now, let's move to a brighter conversation. I know, I know,
I know, I know. The Bears are just beating bad teams. Yeah,
they're kind of thumping them.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They've just beaten the Titans, Carolina, a short handed La
Ram team, and the dysfunctional Jags. Okay, you could say that.
But for the first time, and I'm not joking in
my life, I look at the Bears and I say, Man,
what a deep, talented offensive roster. What a stud they
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have at quarterback for the next fifteen years. Yet that
I've never said in my life. I'm three receivers. I
like Keenan Allen came back, an excellent tight end, a
clever running back. The old line's fine. It's not Detroit
or Atlanta, but it's fine. And Caleb Williams are getting
better every week. I mean he's gone from kind of
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frenetic to foundational. If you go back our guys did
this morning, and I'm sorry to the radio audience, but
Caleb Williams, if you go week one as passer reading
was fifty five. Two weeks later it was eighty. A
week after that, it was one oh six. A week
after that it was one twenty six. And it looks
like this week at won twenty four, he's found his
footing reckless to in control questions, the confident and in fact,
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my biggest concern seriously for the Chicago Bears. I bet
it's theirs. It's not the Bears, it's the division. Minnesota
looks like they could hoist a trophy Green Bays just
now that Jordan loves ready to roll. That was our
pick of the weekend. I mean that game was over
in ten minutes with Arizona. I mean, Detroit has the
best offensive line, two capable running backs, a star receiver,
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a coach, and Dan Campbell. The team loves. Jared Goff's
been to Super Bowls like I think Chicago's. For years
and years, Chicago's biggest liability was the Bears, their ownership
their front office, their coaches. I mean even Matt Eberflus.
You can bang on them all you want, but he's
good on his side of the ball. At least he
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knows his side of the ball. Go get Dennis Allen
with the Saints. He can't even get the defensive side right.
And he's a defensive coach. So I mean, I look around.
They have the franchise quarterback they run. I mean, seriously,
this sounds embarrassing that they run a modern offense. They've
got multiple weapons, some of them young, gonna be around
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a while. They made a smart move to get DJ Moore,
and they nailed the quarterback pick. For the record, this
is what the good teams in the AFC did. Baltimore
got their quarterback right, Kansas City got their quarterback right,
Buffalo got their quarterback right, Houston got their quarterback right.
You get that right, folks, You could miss on a coach.
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You gotta get the quarterback right now. I don't think
there's any question when you latch those weapons. You got
to give their GM credit to. Ryan Poles is a guy.
He's a former offensive lineman and he has spent the
money this forever was a defensive culture like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh
still can't get out of its own way. It spends
all its money on defense. Ryan Poles came out and said, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, We're gonna spend our money on offense. That's
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where the league's going.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And he was right.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And they get Dj Moore and they get Keenan Allen
in a second tight end and Swift the running back.
Like this is a really big time offensive group. You
insert Keenan Allen, this thing Roma duns a Dj Moore,
cole Kament, Swift, Keenan Allen. It's like whoa, They got
dudes everywhere. It is for real. You could open up
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the entire playbook because Caleb is so electric, so dynamic.
But the difference is he's not a guy that can't
throw from the pocket. He did that at USC. What
did we say coming into the season. He can be
a little bit. You gotta sometimes rain him in because
he's so gifted. Lamar Jackson faced this first couple of years,
so gifted that his natural inclination if the first receiver
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is not open is to takeoff and run. But on
multiple times yesterday in London, and I hope you noticed this.
I'm sure you did. Did you watch Caleb on multiple times?
Look left, look middle, look right, look back left. That's
a franchise quarterback looked all over the field trying to
find the right guy. He threw to the fourth or
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third option multiple times. A lot of great athletic quarterbacks.
First one's not open. As rookies, they're off to the races.
And he now over the four or five week he
was in the first couple of weeks. Here we are
in week five. Here comes week six. You got yourself
a stud, and here's Caleb after.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You know, we gotta keep getting better. I can't.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I can't turn the ball over, light down, the wide
open touchdown to DJ. You know a few things that
are going on throughout the game. You know that that
I got to be better at. But I think the
progress that we've had is is gonna keep growing.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I think we have great leaders.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And a great personality this team that I've talked about
many times, and so I.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Think all that's gonna keep growing. I think we got
to keep going.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, that's a how about that division? Vikings, Packers, Lions Bears.
When's the last time you had a division? I can't
think of it. When is the last time that you
had a division with four of the top eight offensive
teams in the league. I mean, that is crazy that
that that is not only the best division in football,
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it is the best division in football by a mile.
It's incredible. How good Jordan Love Caleb, Sam Darnold, JJ
McCarthy behind him and Jared Goff and by the way,
the best of offensive line in Detroit, I would say
Green Bay in Chicago, I mean, and Minnesota have some
of the best heighth end wide receiver groupings in the league.
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So I think the Bears biggest adversary isn't themselves. I
don't think it for the first time ever offensively, it's
not them or their ownership. It's like a real division.
By the way, the NFC North has the four best
point differentials in the league, All four Bears, Lions, Vikings,
Packer the four best point differentials in the league. They're
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all in one division. It's like the SEC on steroids.
I mean, it's crazy how good it is. J Mac Meanwhile,
in Philadelphia, what a circus that organization is?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That's your guy, Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What a circus?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Very rare.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Do you see a coach mouthing off to his own
fan base after a win, like what what's wrong with
Nick Sirianni, Colin Wright, Colin wrong? Fifty minutes from now,
top of next hour.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
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Speaker 1 (12:08):
All right, we do it every Monday. It's called right wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well? I said this week with Detroit the Cowboys oil
leak and regression as a franchise would begin this weekend.
I think their rosters average. I think in a weapons
league they have one great weapon, ced Lamb. I think
you can't have an eighty two year old general manager.
There's too many jones Is in the building. They need
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outside influence. They're two insular. They remind me a lot
of the Lakers with one or two great players. And
that's it. This is what I told you. I thought
they'd finish third in division. As of this morning, that's
where they're going to finish. We were right on the
Cowboys where Colin was y was I wrong on Lincoln
Riley five and eight in his last thirteen games. They
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just don't have enough top talent, considering their nil is
fortified at about thirteen million a year. They have a
huge brand. I like their wide receivers. I think their
secondary is the best it has been in years. But
there's just no there there. They don't feel terribly resilient. Situationally,
They're okay. They are very very young, but letting Penn
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States tight end have seventeen catches is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
When the Ravens went oh and two. I said, don't
worry owner, GM, coach, quarterback A plus at all of them.
They're fine, And here they come. Cleveland's a mess. The
Steelers are limited offensively, and Lamar Jackson would be my MVP.
I can't. I cannot believe how good Lamar Jackson is.
The fact that everybody doesn't love him. I don't get
the kids. Incredible fourth straight win and four straight game.
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His passer rating is one fourteen. That is a streak.
They lead the NFL in rush offense. Yeah, Derrick Henry's
part of it, and so is Lamar. Where Colin was wraw,
I thought Doug Peterson I'd banged on that for six months.
I thought he was a perfect fit in Jacksonville. They
don't do anything right. And what really concerns me is
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Trevor Lawrence has regressed. Some of this is on coaching.
He has regressed badly in his last eighteen games. In
their last twelve games, they're two and ten and they
feel incredibly inefficient and loose. That game wasn't even close.
I mean, did you ever think Jacksonville had a shot
against a young team in Chicago that's trying to find
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their footing in their way total control of that football
game in London for three and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hours, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You guys were all bailing on Steve Sarkisian and I
said he may be the best recruiter in the country
now that Nick Saban's retired. He's a tremendous play caller
and his quarterbacks you can go back to was Washington
USC days. They all get better quickly. I love sark
They ran over Oklahoma thirty four to three, not a
big surprise. They were a two touchdown favorite to the
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last unbeaten team in the SEC. I think the only
team that can really match up with them is Ohio
State and they played Georgia this weekend. I like Texas
to win that game, but I think it's a competitive game.
But I think Ohio State could potentially beat them. Maybe
Georgia could, but that offensive line looks like an offensive
line full of guys that will play on Sunday. Where
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Colin was right well, I said all summer, Ohio State
is going to play for the national championship, but they're
going to lose in Eugene, and I thought if they
played again, Ohio State would win. I am concerned that
the defense continues to get gashed in these big games
against top ten teams. But Ohio State's a very good
football team. But Eugene is different. If the loudest college
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stadium I've ever been in, it's built into the ground,
and I mean, listen, Oregon's got four and five star
guys everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon and Ohio
State and Texas are the three best teams when you
look up in December. But we called this one. I
think if they met again, and by the way, they
had eight penalties, fall starts, clock management issues addicted that
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crowd for a college program, They're going to go on
the road and look unsettled offensively, and they did at.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Times where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I fell in love with the San Diego Padres after
Game three, and they didn't score a run from that
point forward. Yeah, I mean Manny, Machado and Tatis were
one for fifteen in their last two games the minute
I fell in love with him. Apparently they sent all
the bats home because they couldn't score a run. LA
used eight relievers unheard of to shut them out in
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the playoff game. I think San Diego is so much
fun to watch, but I mean Jack Flaherty, Aamamoto, all
those relievers. Eventually, the better team won in Los.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Angeles, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith, we predicted this with like
Justin Fields more than Russell Wilson. Last week, Arthur Smith
was quoted saying, I like Fee. There's no drama, he
doesn't try to create a perception. He's endearing to his teammates,
which was a bizarrely aggressive shot at Russell Wilson. But
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this is what we predicted, is that the guys are
gonna like Justin Fields. He's not rich, he's not sitting
around on social media. He's just a regular dude. Even
in Chicago when he was losing, everybody liked justin.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Fields where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Finally, the New Orleans Saints are what we thought they were.
I always judge a coach is he at least good
on his side of the ball. He may not be
good on the other side. But Dennis Allen, the Saints
are now allowing the most yards per game in the NFL,
and he's a defensive coach. I think he's a bit
over a skis. I think they probably have to take
a big swing at quarterback, but I picked them for
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third or fourth in the division. I just too many,
too many great quarterbacks and too many great great coaches
in this league, and I don't think New Orleans is
good enough at those two positions where Colin would right
where Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that,
what a pleasure. Three time Pro bowler in Super Bowls,
eighteen years in this league. Matt Hasselback, Seahawks, Colts, Packers,
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Titans joining us here in the herd. Let's hear it
for our guy. Listen to get you out of that
nice place you always join us live. It's a real
win for us.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So school football man you know, I'm working man.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, let's go on the flight back. You got
your game plan on already.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Did it, did it last night? You know, scripted for
today's practice, got a script for tomorrow, seven on seventeen,
you know, all the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So I want to start with a London game. So
a lot of times when I watch a young quarterback,
I tend to watch feet is a frenetic. I tend
to watch where's the head going. A couple of times
yesterday with Jay with Caleb Williams, I mean it was
like left, middle, right, middle, left, and I was like, Okay,
that's good. That's like that's you. When you're older that
that feels like it takes a while. Some guys maybe
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have it innately, but I do feel like the feat
where he's looking, it feels like there's here right.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, well I think his eyes then feet. You know,
usually most teams they bears don't have it, but you think,
got like a stripe on the middle of the helmet there, right,
And so when the camera, when you're studying film, you're
looking behind the quarterback, that stripe helps the quarterback coach
know where the eyes are because you can't see the eyes,
but that tape you know, on the helmet tells you like, oh,
your eye's in the right spot. Okay, So it really
starts there. I think what I see out of Caleb though,
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is like when you're talking about his footwork, he's throwing
on time, in rhythm with the quick game, and that's
very important because you're avoiding sacks, you're getting the ball
out of your hands into the hands of the athletes.
But then where he's exceptional is when plays take a
little bit longer and you're throwing the ball down field.
His scramble ability is translating from the college game to
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the pro game, and that doesn't always happen with guys.
So I think the combination of obviously they're playing good
around him playing well, but the quick game is working,
and then the exceptional explosive plays that you saw at
SC they're still there as well.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, he really does have a power arm. I
think he likes to throw from the pocket. He was
asked out a lot in Collogy goes. I'd actually rather
be in the pocket. I think he likes. Some guys
like to move because they question their ability there. I
think Kayla would like to sit in the pocket for
ninety percent of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think there's still a lot of room for growth
with him obviously. I mean that's you know, I think
it's going to get hard at some point for them.
Like it's been pretty smooth right now.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, bad teams.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, I don't want to say it that way, but yeah,
but I think it was Houston they played and it
didn't go as well, and I think that's probably more
what you're going to see out of that team a
quarter Like, I think the Bears are doing a great
job of this. As you're winning games, you're developing your
young quarterback. Some people throw a young quarterback out there
and they lose and they're like, oh, well, we got
to lose because we got our We need our young
quarterback to develop. The Bears aren't doing that. I think
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they're playing really well around him, and I think the
future is bright. I don't know if it's this year.
I'm not as sold on that team, but clearly the
game in London was huge.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So you know, if a team is losing, it can
be a lot of things. It can be injuries. I
mean the Rams had cluster injuries at wide receiver and
O line. Okay, it can happen. But yesterday Philly's got
both their receivers Saquon Barkley. I mean they got dudes.
That's a great roster. And this worries me. First two
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series off a by offensive coach Jalen's O for five
and two punts. Matt, you give McVeigh off a bye
that first series or Andy Reid Like, I'm sorry, but
that isn't not an issue.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
No, I mean, listen, everyone's got injuries, like you said,
but the key injuries I think for Philly they lose
those two wide receivers. They're completely different teams. Yeah, and
then when you come back, like you just never know,
like you just never know. Like sometimes it takes guys.
Some guys are rusty, some guys are just ready to roll.
I think Philly. I don't think the sky is falling
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as much on Philly as I don't personally think the
sky is falling in Philly the way other people do. Think.
Philly writes the ship. They have not looked good, they've
looked very very bad. Sort of trust the pieces there
if they can get sure. Yeah, yeah, there's transition there
with like new coordinators, new just a lot of stuff
and hitting adversity. I do believe that this team they'll
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pull together, they won't pull apart. I do believe in
Jalen Hurts the leader, and I think that's something that
doesn't show up in stats. A lot of people, especially
in the media, they love to just get on the stats,
and like, while that's important, there's another aspect to being
a franchise quarterback that I believe Jalen Hurts has and
that's leadership. And I think that that counts for something.
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And also the rest of the division kind of stinks,
with the exception of Washington.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So there was a lot. I don't think hockey guys
or football players don't quit because you get hurt, but
there's there's there's a tempo. The governor was turned down
on the Cowboys yesterday. Like it's just not quite there.
And it's easy for us to blame Dak or Mike McCarthy,
but your owners, your GM, and they've been hit and
miss on drafting. Not terrible. But I do feel like,
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and I've said this about the Lakers for years, that
there's too many people that are friends and relatives of
the Lakers and not enough outside influence. And I feel
with a Cowboy. There's a lot of Jones in the building,
and it's like it's when they succeeded. Parcels came in
and Jimmy Johnson came in, and I look at this
organization as kind of insular. Matt, how do I Baltimore
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ran them over, Detroit ran them over. I watched last
year Green Bay the Saints ran them over. Is it
just possible it's a mediocre roster.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah. I think injuries are huge. You know, you take again,
you take away some superstars. You know, you take away
just one guy, take away Michael Parsons. It's a different team, right,
And I'm not in the building, so I can't speak
to that, but I can't speak to the film. And
I would just say this, when a defense you mentioned tempo,
when they struggle to line up, like then you're like
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Dallas defense used to be the aggressor. They used to
come out under Dan Quinn had this idea like, no, no,
we don't even need our offensive score. We're gonna score
Like that was the mindset of the Dallas defense. Now
you see the Dallas defense like not even lining up
on time, the ball is snapped. The d line doesn't
even have their hands in the dirt. You know, they're
in a bunch set, a cluster formation, and the dbs
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haven't even decided like who's got who, who's got inside,
who's got outside? Like they're not even lining up, and
you know, it just kind of reminds me a little
bit too, like that's pre snap. Now talk about post snap.
So the I heard the defensive coordinator for the Green
Bay Packers, Jeff Affley say this once and I thought
it was excellent. The love, how much you love your
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teammate and how accountable you are to your teammate can
be measured on defense by how close you are to
the ball when the whistle is blown. Pursuit effort. You know,
you hear people this year talking about guys on defense
making business decisions. They don't want to tackle a Derrick Henry,
they don't want to tackle in a game that's already
out of hand, like stuff like that. I think effort
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in your pursuit to the ball matters a lot on
defense too, And that's another thing. Just put it on
the list that I think needs to get corrected in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How much is this though Detroit's very unique, the Patriots
could do this at their prime is that they can
run with power, they can do trick plays, they can
be cute. It's very rare usually because of a salary cap.
You got a hole. If you do the power game,
you're not cute.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Baltimore for years didn't have great receivers Mark Andrews, but
they could do the power game, but they weren't going
to beat you down the field. And I watch I
watched this team and I'm like, they're a little like
a younger version of the Niners. They just they got personnel,
they kind of do everything.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, I mean that was fun to watch, right, Detroit's offense,
it kind of reminds me. And listen Detroit. If you've
been following the NFL for a long time, Detroit's been
picked on. They've been the joke, you know for many years.
Like they've been like the team that no one counts on.
They've been bullied a little bit. Yeah, right, And you
know when you play, when you play in the NFL,
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it's very common when you out and you're leaving the
locker room pep talk or whatever, the coach or a
guy on the team says, we're gonna go out and
we're gonna hit him in the mouth in their house,
you know. But like it's like it's just talk right right.
When Detroit says it, it feels different. When Dan Campbell
says it, it feels different. There's something about this team
that's like fed up. And I worked with Rex Ryan
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for a long time, and you know I remember Rex
like really believing in Dan Campbell and really believing in
this Detroit team. And he would see, you know, talk
about the Bully and he's like, you just watch one
of these days. You know, one of these days, Detroit's
gonna say enough and they're gonna go into like the
Bully's house. And like, in my mind, I'm picturing like,
you know, George McFly and Biff, you know, get your
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damn hands off or Biff, you know, and then you
knock him out like you hit him in the mouth
at their place on primetime. You know, like this is
the Dallas Cowboys. Who better to do it against? And
that's what they did. And everything was different after that. Everything,
And that's how I feel about this Detroit team. Like
they sent a message, they lost their best player. They
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did whatever they wanted to do in the passing game,
perfect passer rating. They did whatever they wanted to do.
In the running game, they're trying to throw a touchdowns
offensive lineman. They're throwing hooking laterals to offensive linemen like
they sent a message. And Ben Johnson, like, you know,
he could have left last year and been a head coach.
He said, no, there's something special brewing here. I'm staying,
maybe I'm not ready to be a head coach. This
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is what I'm meant to do. This is what I
love to do. So I think they got something special.
Now they're going to hit adversity because they lost you know,
Aiden Hutchinson, but the trade deadline hasn't happened. There's players
all around the league on bad teams like you know,
I don't name names, but like a Max Crosby or
like somebody like that that would fit nicely, and they're saying, man,
get me to Detroit. There's something special about Detroit. I
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want to be on a team like that. That's how
I play the game, and I want to be on
that team.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So tonight, I think it's very interesting. So my general
rule on football is if you are talented and play poorly,
like like the Cowboys, they'll probably play better next week.
I don't think they're great. So Aaron Rodgers probably had
his worst game as a pro. I mean, all three
picks were bad. Aaron has maybe one of those a month.
He had three in one game. And my guess is
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they they made a move at OC, which I think
was a right move. Sometimes it's uncomfortable with a new guy,
but I actually think the Jets will play really, really
well tonight. I have to ask you. I know the
guy was in the building, but replacing the play caller,
how difficult is it.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It's hard to been a part of it. It's tough,
but it's in the short term, I agree with you,
it's a good thing. It's a wake up call. Things change,
a fresh set of eyes. Someone who's had success somewhere
else understands, like, you know what, I know what this
team can. It's not about what we can't do. It's
about what this team can do. Okay. But I think
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the other thing that I don't think people ever talk
about is it now becomes a blind eight for the
Buffalo Bills. They don't know, like it's so much analytics
and film study and like are on third and three
to six, they're sixty five percent that on third and
seven to ten, they're thirty two percent. This Like it's
so much analytics that goes into it now Now it's
literally like you don't really know. Like in fact, if
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I was the Jets, I don't think I would have
announced who the play caller was because that even gives
them more of a competitive advantage, right, So, like they
don't really know Jeff Ulbrick, Like, I mean, I know
Jeff Olbrick played against him for years, he coached me
in Seattle, But like, I don't know what's he gonna
do as a head coach. Is he gonna be a
guy's going for it? And fourth down? You know what
are they gonna do offensively? Are they gonna be more
like what Downing's done in the past. Are they gonna
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have more control for Aaron Rodgers less? Like so I
just really think that you're gonna see a different tempo
and energy because there's gonna be a part of the
team in New York. That's like, man, we let our
coaching staff down, we let our head coach down, we
let our OC down. We gotta we gotta play different,
we gotta play more the way that they would want
to would have wanted us to play and then also
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just the unknown, and I think that's a tough thing now.
In the long run, I think it catches up to you. Yeah,
But for right now.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Tonight look out. So you know, it's interesting. I've defended
Lamar Jackson for three years on this show that he's
really much more consistent in the pocket than people think.
The quarterback that isn't now is Josh Allen. So he
plays tonight. So I think Lamar is remarkable, But I
want to stay on the Buffalo Jets game. What troubles
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me with Kyler Murray's inconsistency. I almost feel like, because
I've had it so sourced from players, executives to coaches.
Around Kyler, there's some immaturity issues, there are some commitment issues.
I don't hear that with Josh. My sources say he's
totally committed, immature kid, locker room leader. We are getting
to a point though with Josh is I feel he's
(30:50):
a bit oc dependent, although everybody is. The inconsistency is
a bit troubling. Where does that come from. It's not
that he loses his arm strength or ability.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
No, I think he's great. I mean I think Josh
Allen is one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever watched.
Sometimes you can try to do too much. Sometimes you
can be a little careless, like he's careless with his body,
and like, you know, Andrew Luck was that way, Like
he was careless with his body. He's one of the
reasons that he was so fun to watch and his
teammates loved him. Like, man, this dude is laying it
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out on the like he's landed on the line for us,
for our team. But there's a there's a fine line
between being careless with your body and being careless with
the football, And like, I think that's the tough thing.
And so how do you do that as a quarterback
with split second decisions? And you know, the best way
that I've ever heard it described. Clyde Christiansen was the
quarterback coach in Indy. We're coaching Andrew Luck, and it
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was Andrew was kind of going through one of these,
you know, parts of the season, just like Josh Allen
has had sometimes. And this so Clyde brings this admiral
in from the Navy to talk about how they trained
fighter pilots to cut it loose, to trust their train
be aggressive you're the best in the world at what
you do. But at the same time, that fighter jet
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that you have doesn't belong to you. You don't get
to just hit a jet whenever you want, like it
belongs to the taxpayers. It's millions and millions of dollars.
And in the same way that football doesn't belong to you.
You need to be more careful with that football. Now,
how do you do it? Do you play defensive like
a driver's ed sixteen and a half year old? No,
you don't. You cut it loose and you trust your training,
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but you have to have respect for the fact that, like,
if you want to be reckless with your body, fine,
you don't get to be reckless with that football.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I love the coaches bring in fighter pilots. That is great.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It's kind of like one of those mister Miagi moments too,
because you get a big game the next day and
you're like, all right, you know, what's the first fifteen
plays going to be? And then all of a sudden,
like an admiral from the Navy comes in and you're like,
I mean, what is this wax on? Wax off? What
is this even good for? Why do we need to
know about fighter pilots and then all of a sudden,
like it's over and you're just like, oh, like the
light bulb goes off, Like that was epic, Like that
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was like next level. It was a Hall of Fame coaching.
And I'll never forget it means years ago. It's probably
ten and eleven years ago, and you know, I'm coaching
high school football now and I still look for those
types of nuggets because I think it's even harder to.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Coach kids aremore distracted.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well, it's harder to coach really creative players who feel like, hey,
I know, I already know, I know, coach I know,
and so like, think about what that's like coaching the
game's best, the Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes, you know
those types of guys. You have to get creative.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I want to ask you one college question. So everybody
beats up on Will Howard at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You know, he.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Scrambles, he doesn't get down in time. But I had said,
going into this game for an eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty
one year old college players, NFL is different to travel
three thousand miles. I guarantee a ninety nine percent of
that roster had never been to the Pacific Northwest. That's
one of the loudest places. So everybody's beating up on
Will Howard and I'm like, I get it, like you're
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you're I mean Andy Reid got crushed for clock management
until he got my homes And the minute Brady left
New England, everybody said Belichick's clock management is terrible. Take
me to how hard it is in these last moments
or did you was it easier for you?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Well it's different this year, right, because now the college
game has the coach to quarterback communication system. Guys like
David Shaw were fighting for this forever because they had
to signal it in I mean, you can remember like
college quarterbacks like taking a knee on fourth down or sorry,
spiking it on fourth down. Like it's just hard. Like
these are college kids, right, you know. I mean I
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played eighteen years in the NFL. I threw more touchdown,
I threw more interceptions than touchdowns in college. I was
a kid. I rushed for negative two hundred and eighty
eight yards in my college career. Like, I mean, so
who am I to pile onto a college game? But
I do think now that the coach to quarterback communication
system is there more responsibility falls on the coaching staff,
and I think that that's a kind of a welcome thing,
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but no, the whole thing's tough. I mean, these guys
are also going to school. It's it's crazy. We have
professionalized I call it professional amateur sports.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We college football, track and field a little bit. There
are amateurs but getting paid.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
No doubt. And so the scrutiny is on these especially
at the top schools, the rare air schools, the scrutiny
is on those quarterbacks, just like it is on these
pro guys. And I just think it's tough, like the
the lack of experience, the you know, like still going
to school, like all of it. I do think it's tough.
So I'm like usually the last guy to pile on
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onto those guys. And again because like if you were
to evaluate me at that time, I mean, mistakes all
over the place, and the good thing about mistakes as
you learn from them, but in the moment, but to
do it under the microscope like these guys got to
do is very very tough.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I am one more. I've said this. You were mechanically
very sound, You moved well when I watched Shador Sanders
moving forward back left right. He's just accurate. CJ Stroud
has this. CJ's just accurate guys mechanically, and Sam Darnold
his mechanics needed like training. So I watched the dour
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this weekend with a bad old line and no run
game and it's top two receivers out, and I'm like, man,
that is that is effortlessly accurate? Was accuracy easy for you?
Did you ever see somebody in the league that you
thought was great but actually had to put the time
into accuracy And.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like, oh, yeah, without a doubt. But you know, I
also think like there's all these hidden things that I
think quarterbacks respect the offensive linemen and respect, and I
think they just kind of go unnoticed. You know a
lot of times people say, oh, the offensive line's bad. Well,
you can like at the end of the year in
the in the NFL, at the end of the year,
every year you assigned blame for the sacks, right, they
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kind of assigned blame all that was on the guard,
that was on the tackle, that was on the quarterback,
whatever that was on the coach, that was on the scheme.
But like when we would do that in the off season,
I would kind of say, like, Okay, what could I
have done different? Like, what could I have done different?
Even if the blame wasn't technically on me. And I
think there's something to throwing the ball shorter on time
at times and also just finding a way to throw
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the ball away. So like you know, when they were
in their heyday, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers were like leading
the league in throwaways. And to me, that's avoiding sacks.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Is that hurting your quarterback rating? Yeah? You know, is
that hurting your own personal stats?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Is that helping the team though? Yes? Is that helping
the offensive line? And so I think there are quarterbacks
who do an amazing job of protecting the team with
not taking sacks, and then there's other guys that it's
just like you know, your fingernails on a chalkboard. They'll
take a sack when there was absolutely no reason to
take a sack, and you put your team behind, and
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now it hurts the offense, it hurts the defense. So
I think that's an area where more athletic quarterbacks because
they can get away with scrambling. I think that's an area,
like I've mentioned to you, I think Steve Young was
a guy that he said it was hardest for me
because I knew I could try my legs, and for
you know, a lot of guys, it's a curse in
a blessing.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, man, hassel Bet, I love having you in studio.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yes, guys, this is great. I'm gonna shoot nice. Who's
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Monday, and we are Redded two roll
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be watching. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Well well, well, we said
before the weekend an oil leak would begin this weekend
with the Dallas Cowboys. My bad, it was a gusher.
(00:50):
Uh Jmac. There are a lot of things going on
this weekend. The Dodgers have decided they're not gonna allow
any more scoring the rest of the playoff. That's insane.
Do you have a good weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Palace football was a credit on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Phenomenal weekend, all right. Jerry Jones on his birthday, that was,
believe it or not, the worst home loss of his career.
On his eighty second Thursday. That's sand a lot because
Jerry's first year owning the Cowboys was nineteen eighty nine,
and they were one in fifteen and they finished in
fifth place in the NFC East. You can't even do that.
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There is no fifth place in the NFC East. And
they were terrible, and that yesterday was a worst home loss.
They may be shrewd doing business off the field, but
they were shameful on the field. The NFL has gotten
smarter over the last decade, more good coaches, more sharp executives,
and the Cowboys along that same timeline have become much
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more insular. The only team in the NFL with an
eighty two year old GM wink wink. And he's not
firing Mike McCarthy. He's not gonna do that. We'll get
to that in a second, but that's not gonna work.
The Detroit Lions, though yesterday, were everything the Cowboys want
to be. Deep, tough, clever, fun, capable at quarterback. Nobody's
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massively overpaid. In fact, I'd argue many of their best
players are right now under market value. They were everything
the Cowboys want to be. In fact, their OH line,
the Lions all line had two touches and a target.
I'm not like talking about falling on a fumble. These
were intentional. They were going to embarrass the Cowboys. It
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was like the Chiefs against the Saints. They were messing around,
flexing for the TV audience. After that Cowboy win shouldn't
have over Detroit last December. So, I mean, what you
were watching was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. And I said
it going into the season the Super I can't take
the Cowboys seriously. If we can't take a team seriously
(03:06):
with an eighty two year old owner slash GM, too
many Joneses in the front office, you need outside influence
and eyeballs and voices. They're not a Super Bowl team.
They're not close to it. And the truth is, oh,
they won twelve games the last two years. Previous to
this one, the NFC's been down. Green Bay got rid
of Aaron Rodgers in a very quick rebuild with a
(03:28):
young quarterback, and the Lions were good for a couple
of years. But now all those young players are no
longer young. The Niners ended up finding Brock Purty, who
just keeps getting better. You start look at Washington now
as a real football team, Oh Minnesota, Chicago's got Caleb Williams.
It was there for the taking the last two years
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in the NFC, it was there. The Rams were rebuilding,
the Packers were too young. You know, Chicago didn't have
the quarterback. Minnesota was trying to draft the quarterback. Now
the NFC at the top can play with the AFC.
And Dallas won twelve games. But the more Jerry dabbles
in football, the sadder January becomes for Dallas. You can't
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be an owner slash GM. That's just not the way
it works. Jerry's running the franchise the way he wants to,
not the way it should be run. The way it
should be run is San Francisco, so you can find
Brock Purdy with the last pick, or in Philadelphia where
they have a loaded roster and yet always have money
(04:33):
to spend. That's the way it should be run. Or
like Kansas any year Baltimore. Why does Baltimore always have
so many good players that they can move off great
ones and the next year they're just fine. Dallas right now, Hey, hey,
Dak got the bag and Cowboy fans are left holding it.
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Here was Jerry on Testy tey Ta ta with the
media in regards to potentially replacing Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Would it take you to evalue making a head coaching
change in season?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh, I haven't considered that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I'm not considering that, So you're clear. I'm not considering that,
but you've done it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I wouldn't be a hypothetical in that matter.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Do you think I'm an idiot?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now, let's move to a brighter conversation. I know, I know,
I know, I know. The Bears are just beating bad teams. Yeah,
they're kind of thumping them.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They've just beaten the Titans, Carolina, a short handed La
Ram team, and the dysfunctional Jags. Okay, you could say that.
But for the first time, and I'm not joking in
my life, I look at the Bears and I say, Man,
what a deep, talented offensive roster. What a stud they
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have at quarterback for the next fifteen years. Yet that
I've never said in my life. I'm three receivers. I
like Keenan Allen came back, an excellent tight end, a
clever running back. The old line's fine. It's not Detroit
or Atlanta, but it's fine. And Caleb Williams are getting
better every week. I mean he's gone from kind of
(06:15):
frenetic to foundational. If you go back our guys did
this morning, and I'm sorry to the radio audience, but
Caleb Williams, if you go week one as passer reading
was fifty five. Two weeks later it was eighty. A
week after that, it was one oh six. A week
after that it was one twenty six. And it looks
like this week at won twenty four, he's found his
footing reckless to in control questions, the confident and in fact,
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my biggest concern seriously for the Chicago Bears. I bet
it's theirs. It's not the Bears, it's the division. Minnesota
looks like they could hoist a trophy Green Bays just
now that Jordan loves ready to roll. That was our
pick of the weekend. I mean that game was over
in ten minutes with Arizona. I mean, Detroit has the
best offensive line, two capable running backs, a star receiver,
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a coach, and Dan Campbell. The team loves. Jared Goff's
been to Super Bowls like I think Chicago's. For years
and years, Chicago's biggest liability was the Bears, their ownership
their front office, their coaches. I mean even Matt Eberflus.
You can bang on them all you want, but he's
good on his side of the ball. At least he
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knows his side of the ball. Go get Dennis Allen
with the Saints. He can't even get the defensive side right.
And he's a defensive coach. So I mean, I look around.
They have the franchise quarterback they run. I mean, seriously,
this sounds embarrassing that they run a modern offense. They've
got multiple weapons, some of them young, gonna be around
(07:47):
a while. They made a smart move to get DJ Moore,
and they nailed the quarterback pick. For the record, this
is what the good teams in the AFC did. Baltimore
got their quarterback right, Kansas City got their quarterback right,
Buffalo got their quarterback right, Houston got their quarterback right.
You get that right, folks, You could miss on a coach.
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You gotta get the quarterback right now. I don't think
there's any question when you latch those weapons. You got
to give their GM credit to. Ryan Poles is a guy.
He's a former offensive lineman and he has spent the
money this forever was a defensive culture like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh
still can't get out of its own way. It spends
all its money on defense. Ryan Poles came out and said, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, We're gonna spend our money on offense. That's
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where the league's going.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And he was right.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And they get Dj Moore and they get Keenan Allen
in a second tight end and Swift the running back.
Like this is a really big time offensive group. You
insert Keenan Allen, this thing Roma duns a Dj Moore,
cole Kament, Swift, Keenan Allen. It's like whoa, They got
dudes everywhere. It is for real. You could open up
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the entire playbook because Caleb is so electric, so dynamic.
But the difference is he's not a guy that can't
throw from the pocket. He did that at USC. What
did we say coming into the season. He can be
a little bit. You gotta sometimes rain him in because
he's so gifted. Lamar Jackson faced this first couple of years,
so gifted that his natural inclination if the first receiver
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is not open is to takeoff and run. But on
multiple times yesterday in London, and I hope you noticed this.
I'm sure you did. Did you watch Caleb on multiple times?
Look left, look middle, look right, look back left. That's
a franchise quarterback looked all over the field trying to
find the right guy. He threw to the fourth or
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third option multiple times. A lot of great athletic quarterbacks.
First one's not open. As rookies, they're off to the races.
And he now over the four or five week he
was in the first couple of weeks. Here we are
in week five. Here comes week six. You got yourself
a stud, and here's Caleb after.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You know, we gotta keep getting better. I can't.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I can't turn the ball over, light down, the wide
open touchdown to DJ. You know a few things that
are going on throughout the game. You know that that
I got to be better at. But I think the
progress that we've had is is gonna keep growing.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I think we have great leaders.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And a great personality this team that I've talked about
many times, and so I.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Think all that's gonna keep growing. I think we got
to keep going.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, that's a how about that division? Vikings, Packers, Lions Bears.
When's the last time you had a division? I can't
think of it. When is the last time that you
had a division with four of the top eight offensive
teams in the league. I mean, that is crazy that
that that is not only the best division in football,
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it is the best division in football by a mile.
It's incredible. How good Jordan Love Caleb, Sam Darnold, JJ
McCarthy behind him and Jared Goff and by the way,
the best of offensive line in Detroit, I would say
Green Bay in Chicago, I mean, and Minnesota have some
of the best heighth end wide receiver groupings in the league.
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So I think the Bears biggest adversary isn't themselves. I
don't think it for the first time ever offensively, it's
not them or their ownership. It's like a real division.
By the way, the NFC North has the four best
point differentials in the league, All four Bears, Lions, Vikings,
Packer the four best point differentials in the league. They're
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all in one division. It's like the SEC on steroids.
I mean, it's crazy how good it is. J Mac Meanwhile,
in Philadelphia, what a circus that organization is?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That's your guy, Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What a circus?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Very rare.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Do you see a coach mouthing off to his own
fan base after a win, like what what's wrong with
Nick Sirianni, Colin Wright, Colin wrong? Fifty minutes from now,
top of next hour.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
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Speaker 1 (12:08):
All right, we do it every Monday. It's called right wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well? I said this week with Detroit the Cowboys oil
leak and regression as a franchise would begin this weekend.
I think their rosters average. I think in a weapons
league they have one great weapon, ced Lamb. I think
you can't have an eighty two year old general manager.
There's too many jones Is in the building. They need
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outside influence. They're two insular. They remind me a lot
of the Lakers with one or two great players. And
that's it. This is what I told you. I thought
they'd finish third in division. As of this morning, that's
where they're going to finish. We were right on the
Cowboys where Colin was y was I wrong on Lincoln
Riley five and eight in his last thirteen games. They
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just don't have enough top talent, considering their nil is
fortified at about thirteen million a year. They have a
huge brand. I like their wide receivers. I think their
secondary is the best it has been in years. But
there's just no there there. They don't feel terribly resilient. Situationally,
They're okay. They are very very young, but letting Penn
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States tight end have seventeen catches is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
When the Ravens went oh and two. I said, don't
worry owner, GM, coach, quarterback A plus at all of them.
They're fine, And here they come. Cleveland's a mess. The
Steelers are limited offensively, and Lamar Jackson would be my MVP.
I can't. I cannot believe how good Lamar Jackson is.
The fact that everybody doesn't love him. I don't get
the kids. Incredible fourth straight win and four straight game.
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His passer rating is one fourteen. That is a streak.
They lead the NFL in rush offense. Yeah, Derrick Henry's
part of it, and so is Lamar. Where Colin was wraw,
I thought Doug Peterson I'd banged on that for six months.
I thought he was a perfect fit in Jacksonville. They
don't do anything right. And what really concerns me is
(14:07):
Trevor Lawrence has regressed. Some of this is on coaching.
He has regressed badly in his last eighteen games. In
their last twelve games, they're two and ten and they
feel incredibly inefficient and loose. That game wasn't even close.
I mean, did you ever think Jacksonville had a shot
against a young team in Chicago that's trying to find
(14:29):
their footing in their way total control of that football
game in London for three and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hours, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You guys were all bailing on Steve Sarkisian and I
said he may be the best recruiter in the country
now that Nick Saban's retired. He's a tremendous play caller
and his quarterbacks you can go back to was Washington
USC days. They all get better quickly. I love sark
They ran over Oklahoma thirty four to three, not a
big surprise. They were a two touchdown favorite to the
(14:57):
last unbeaten team in the SEC. I think the only
team that can really match up with them is Ohio
State and they played Georgia this weekend. I like Texas
to win that game, but I think it's a competitive game.
But I think Ohio State could potentially beat them. Maybe
Georgia could, but that offensive line looks like an offensive
line full of guys that will play on Sunday. Where
(15:18):
Colin was right well, I said all summer, Ohio State
is going to play for the national championship, but they're
going to lose in Eugene, and I thought if they
played again, Ohio State would win. I am concerned that
the defense continues to get gashed in these big games
against top ten teams. But Ohio State's a very good
football team. But Eugene is different. If the loudest college
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stadium I've ever been in, it's built into the ground,
and I mean, listen, Oregon's got four and five star
guys everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon and Ohio
State and Texas are the three best teams when you
look up in December. But we called this one. I
think if they met again, and by the way, they
had eight penalties, fall starts, clock management issues addicted that
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crowd for a college program, They're going to go on
the road and look unsettled offensively, and they did at.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Times where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I fell in love with the San Diego Padres after
Game three, and they didn't score a run from that
point forward. Yeah, I mean Manny, Machado and Tatis were
one for fifteen in their last two games the minute
I fell in love with him. Apparently they sent all
the bats home because they couldn't score a run. LA
used eight relievers unheard of to shut them out in
(16:33):
the playoff game. I think San Diego is so much
fun to watch, but I mean Jack Flaherty, Aamamoto, all
those relievers. Eventually, the better team won in Los.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Angeles, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith, we predicted this with like
Justin Fields more than Russell Wilson. Last week, Arthur Smith
was quoted saying, I like Fee. There's no drama, he
doesn't try to create a perception. He's endearing to his teammates,
which was a bizarrely aggressive shot at Russell Wilson. But
(17:09):
this is what we predicted, is that the guys are
gonna like Justin Fields. He's not rich, he's not sitting
around on social media. He's just a regular dude. Even
in Chicago when he was losing, everybody liked justin.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Fields where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Finally, the New Orleans Saints are what we thought they were.
I always judge a coach is he at least good
on his side of the ball. He may not be
good on the other side. But Dennis Allen, the Saints
are now allowing the most yards per game in the NFL,
and he's a defensive coach. I think he's a bit
over a skis. I think they probably have to take
a big swing at quarterback, but I picked them for
(17:47):
third or fourth in the division. I just too many,
too many great quarterbacks and too many great great coaches
in this league, and I don't think New Orleans is
good enough at those two positions where Colin would right
where Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that,
what a pleasure. Three time Pro bowler in Super Bowls,
eighteen years in this league. Matt Hasselback, Seahawks, Colts, Packers,
(18:10):
Titans joining us here in the herd. Let's hear it
for our guy. Listen to get you out of that
nice place you always join us live. It's a real
win for us.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So school football man you know, I'm working man.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, let's go on the flight back. You got
your game plan on already.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Did it, did it last night? You know, scripted for
today's practice, got a script for tomorrow, seven on seventeen,
you know, all the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So I want to start with a London game. So
a lot of times when I watch a young quarterback,
I tend to watch feet is a frenetic. I tend
to watch where's the head going. A couple of times
yesterday with Jay with Caleb Williams, I mean it was
like left, middle, right, middle, left, and I was like, Okay,
that's good. That's like that's you. When you're older that
that feels like it takes a while. Some guys maybe
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have it innately, but I do feel like the feat
where he's looking, it feels like there's here right.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, well I think his eyes then feet. You know,
usually most teams they bears don't have it, but you think,
got like a stripe on the middle of the helmet there, right,
And so when the camera, when you're studying film, you're
looking behind the quarterback, that stripe helps the quarterback coach
know where the eyes are because you can't see the eyes,
but that tape you know, on the helmet tells you like, oh,
your eye's in the right spot. Okay, So it really
starts there. I think what I see out of Caleb though,
(19:24):
is like when you're talking about his footwork, he's throwing
on time, in rhythm with the quick game, and that's
very important because you're avoiding sacks, you're getting the ball
out of your hands into the hands of the athletes.
But then where he's exceptional is when plays take a
little bit longer and you're throwing the ball down field.
His scramble ability is translating from the college game to
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the pro game, and that doesn't always happen with guys.
So I think the combination of obviously they're playing good
around him playing well, but the quick game is working,
and then the exceptional explosive plays that you saw at
SC they're still there as well.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, he really does have a power arm. I
think he likes to throw from the pocket. He was
asked out a lot in Collogy goes. I'd actually rather
be in the pocket. I think he likes. Some guys
like to move because they question their ability there. I
think Kayla would like to sit in the pocket for
ninety percent of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think there's still a lot of room for growth
with him obviously. I mean that's you know, I think
it's going to get hard at some point for them.
Like it's been pretty smooth right now.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, bad teams.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, I don't want to say it that way, but yeah,
but I think it was Houston they played and it
didn't go as well, and I think that's probably more
what you're going to see out of that team a
quarter Like, I think the Bears are doing a great
job of this. As you're winning games, you're developing your
young quarterback. Some people throw a young quarterback out there
and they lose and they're like, oh, well, we got
to lose because we got our We need our young
quarterback to develop. The Bears aren't doing that. I think
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they're playing really well around him, and I think the
future is bright. I don't know if it's this year.
I'm not as sold on that team, but clearly the
game in London was huge.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So you know, if a team is losing, it can
be a lot of things. It can be injuries. I
mean the Rams had cluster injuries at wide receiver and
O line. Okay, it can happen. But yesterday Philly's got
both their receivers Saquon Barkley. I mean they got dudes.
That's a great roster. And this worries me. First two
(21:17):
series off a by offensive coach Jalen's O for five
and two punts. Matt, you give McVeigh off a bye
that first series or Andy Reid Like, I'm sorry, but
that isn't not an issue.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
No, I mean, listen, everyone's got injuries, like you said,
but the key injuries I think for Philly they lose
those two wide receivers. They're completely different teams. Yeah, and
then when you come back, like you just never know,
like you just never know. Like sometimes it takes guys.
Some guys are rusty, some guys are just ready to roll.
I think Philly. I don't think the sky is falling
(21:49):
as much on Philly as I don't personally think the
sky is falling in Philly the way other people do. Think.
Philly writes the ship. They have not looked good, they've
looked very very bad. Sort of trust the pieces there
if they can get sure. Yeah, yeah, there's transition there
with like new coordinators, new just a lot of stuff
and hitting adversity. I do believe that this team they'll
(22:09):
pull together, they won't pull apart. I do believe in
Jalen Hurts the leader, and I think that's something that
doesn't show up in stats. A lot of people, especially
in the media, they love to just get on the stats,
and like, while that's important, there's another aspect to being
a franchise quarterback that I believe Jalen Hurts has and
that's leadership. And I think that that counts for something.
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And also the rest of the division kind of stinks,
with the exception of Washington.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So there was a lot. I don't think hockey guys
or football players don't quit because you get hurt, but
there's there's there's a tempo. The governor was turned down
on the Cowboys yesterday. Like it's just not quite there.
And it's easy for us to blame Dak or Mike McCarthy,
but your owners, your GM, and they've been hit and
miss on drafting. Not terrible. But I do feel like,
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and I've said this about the Lakers for years, that
there's too many people that are friends and relatives of
the Lakers and not enough outside influence. And I feel
with a Cowboy. There's a lot of Jones in the building,
and it's like it's when they succeeded. Parcels came in
and Jimmy Johnson came in, and I look at this
organization as kind of insular. Matt, how do I Baltimore
(23:23):
ran them over, Detroit ran them over. I watched last
year Green Bay the Saints ran them over. Is it
just possible it's a mediocre roster.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah. I think injuries are huge. You know, you take again,
you take away some superstars. You know, you take away
just one guy, take away Michael Parsons. It's a different team, right,
And I'm not in the building, so I can't speak
to that, but I can't speak to the film. And
I would just say this, when a defense you mentioned tempo,
when they struggle to line up, like then you're like
(23:54):
Dallas defense used to be the aggressor. They used to
come out under Dan Quinn had this idea like, no, no,
we don't even need our offensive score. We're gonna score
Like that was the mindset of the Dallas defense. Now
you see the Dallas defense like not even lining up
on time, the ball is snapped. The d line doesn't
even have their hands in the dirt. You know, they're
in a bunch set, a cluster formation, and the dbs
(24:15):
haven't even decided like who's got who, who's got inside,
who's got outside? Like they're not even lining up, and
you know, it just kind of reminds me a little
bit too, like that's pre snap. Now talk about post snap.
So the I heard the defensive coordinator for the Green
Bay Packers, Jeff Affley say this once and I thought
it was excellent. The love, how much you love your
(24:35):
teammate and how accountable you are to your teammate can
be measured on defense by how close you are to
the ball when the whistle is blown. Pursuit effort. You know,
you hear people this year talking about guys on defense
making business decisions. They don't want to tackle a Derrick Henry,
they don't want to tackle in a game that's already
out of hand, like stuff like that. I think effort
(24:55):
in your pursuit to the ball matters a lot on
defense too, And that's another thing. Just put it on
the list that I think needs to get corrected in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How much is this though Detroit's very unique, the Patriots
could do this at their prime is that they can
run with power, they can do trick plays, they can
be cute. It's very rare usually because of a salary cap.
You got a hole. If you do the power game,
you're not cute.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Baltimore for years didn't have great receivers Mark Andrews, but
they could do the power game, but they weren't going
to beat you down the field. And I watch I
watched this team and I'm like, they're a little like
a younger version of the Niners. They just they got personnel,
they kind of do everything.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, I mean that was fun to watch, right, Detroit's offense,
it kind of reminds me. And listen Detroit. If you've
been following the NFL for a long time, Detroit's been
picked on. They've been the joke, you know for many years.
Like they've been like the team that no one counts on.
They've been bullied a little bit. Yeah, right, And you
know when you play, when you play in the NFL,
(25:59):
it's very common when you out and you're leaving the
locker room pep talk or whatever, the coach or a
guy on the team says, we're gonna go out and
we're gonna hit him in the mouth in their house,
you know. But like it's like it's just talk right right.
When Detroit says it, it feels different. When Dan Campbell
says it, it feels different. There's something about this team
that's like fed up. And I worked with Rex Ryan
(26:19):
for a long time, and you know I remember Rex
like really believing in Dan Campbell and really believing in
this Detroit team. And he would see, you know, talk
about the Bully and he's like, you just watch one
of these days. You know, one of these days, Detroit's
gonna say enough and they're gonna go into like the
Bully's house. And like, in my mind, I'm picturing like,
you know, George McFly and Biff, you know, get your
(26:40):
damn hands off or Biff, you know, and then you
knock him out like you hit him in the mouth
at their place on primetime. You know, like this is
the Dallas Cowboys. Who better to do it against? And
that's what they did. And everything was different after that. Everything,
And that's how I feel about this Detroit team. Like
they sent a message, they lost their best player. They
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did whatever they wanted to do in the passing game,
perfect passer rating. They did whatever they wanted to do.
In the running game, they're trying to throw a touchdowns
offensive lineman. They're throwing hooking laterals to offensive linemen like
they sent a message. And Ben Johnson, like, you know,
he could have left last year and been a head coach.
He said, no, there's something special brewing here. I'm staying,
maybe I'm not ready to be a head coach. This
(27:22):
is what I'm meant to do. This is what I
love to do. So I think they got something special.
Now they're going to hit adversity because they lost you know,
Aiden Hutchinson, but the trade deadline hasn't happened. There's players
all around the league on bad teams like you know,
I don't name names, but like a Max Crosby or
like somebody like that that would fit nicely, and they're saying, man,
get me to Detroit. There's something special about Detroit. I
(27:45):
want to be on a team like that. That's how
I play the game, and I want to be on
that team.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So tonight, I think it's very interesting. So my general
rule on football is if you are talented and play poorly,
like like the Cowboys, they'll probably play better next week.
I don't think they're great. So Aaron Rodgers probably had
his worst game as a pro. I mean, all three
picks were bad. Aaron has maybe one of those a month.
He had three in one game. And my guess is
(28:13):
they they made a move at OC, which I think
was a right move. Sometimes it's uncomfortable with a new guy,
but I actually think the Jets will play really, really
well tonight. I have to ask you. I know the
guy was in the building, but replacing the play caller,
how difficult is it.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It's hard to been a part of it. It's tough,
but it's in the short term, I agree with you,
it's a good thing. It's a wake up call. Things change,
a fresh set of eyes. Someone who's had success somewhere
else understands, like, you know what, I know what this
team can. It's not about what we can't do. It's
about what this team can do. Okay. But I think
(28:55):
the other thing that I don't think people ever talk
about is it now becomes a blind eight for the
Buffalo Bills. They don't know, like it's so much analytics
and film study and like are on third and three
to six, they're sixty five percent that on third and
seven to ten, they're thirty two percent. This Like it's
so much analytics that goes into it now Now it's
literally like you don't really know. Like in fact, if
(29:17):
I was the Jets, I don't think I would have
announced who the play caller was because that even gives
them more of a competitive advantage, right, So, like they
don't really know Jeff Ulbrick, Like, I mean, I know
Jeff Olbrick played against him for years, he coached me
in Seattle, But like, I don't know what's he gonna
do as a head coach. Is he gonna be a
guy's going for it? And fourth down? You know what
are they gonna do offensively? Are they gonna be more
like what Downing's done in the past. Are they gonna
(29:38):
have more control for Aaron Rodgers less? Like so I
just really think that you're gonna see a different tempo
and energy because there's gonna be a part of the
team in New York. That's like, man, we let our
coaching staff down, we let our head coach down, we
let our OC down. We gotta we gotta play different,
we gotta play more the way that they would want
to would have wanted us to play and then also
(29:59):
just the unknown, and I think that's a tough thing now.
In the long run, I think it catches up to you. Yeah,
But for right now.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Tonight look out. So you know, it's interesting. I've defended
Lamar Jackson for three years on this show that he's
really much more consistent in the pocket than people think.
The quarterback that isn't now is Josh Allen. So he
plays tonight. So I think Lamar is remarkable, But I
want to stay on the Buffalo Jets game. What troubles
(30:28):
me with Kyler Murray's inconsistency. I almost feel like, because
I've had it so sourced from players, executives to coaches.
Around Kyler, there's some immaturity issues, there are some commitment issues.
I don't hear that with Josh. My sources say he's
totally committed, immature kid, locker room leader. We are getting
to a point though with Josh is I feel he's
(30:50):
a bit oc dependent, although everybody is. The inconsistency is
a bit troubling. Where does that come from. It's not
that he loses his arm strength or ability.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
No, I think he's great. I mean I think Josh
Allen is one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever watched.
Sometimes you can try to do too much. Sometimes you
can be a little careless, like he's careless with his body,
and like, you know, Andrew Luck was that way, Like
he was careless with his body. He's one of the
reasons that he was so fun to watch and his
teammates loved him. Like, man, this dude is laying it
(31:21):
out on the like he's landed on the line for us,
for our team. But there's a there's a fine line
between being careless with your body and being careless with
the football, And like, I think that's the tough thing.
And so how do you do that as a quarterback
with split second decisions? And you know, the best way
that I've ever heard it described. Clyde Christiansen was the
quarterback coach in Indy. We're coaching Andrew Luck, and it
(31:44):
was Andrew was kind of going through one of these,
you know, parts of the season, just like Josh Allen
has had sometimes. And this so Clyde brings this admiral
in from the Navy to talk about how they trained
fighter pilots to cut it loose, to trust their train
be aggressive you're the best in the world at what
you do. But at the same time, that fighter jet
(32:05):
that you have doesn't belong to you. You don't get
to just hit a jet whenever you want, like it
belongs to the taxpayers. It's millions and millions of dollars.
And in the same way that football doesn't belong to you.
You need to be more careful with that football. Now,
how do you do it? Do you play defensive like
a driver's ed sixteen and a half year old? No,
you don't. You cut it loose and you trust your training,
(32:25):
but you have to have respect for the fact that, like,
if you want to be reckless with your body, fine,
you don't get to be reckless with that football.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I love the coaches bring in fighter pilots. That is great.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It's kind of like one of those mister Miagi moments too,
because you get a big game the next day and
you're like, all right, you know, what's the first fifteen
plays going to be? And then all of a sudden,
like an admiral from the Navy comes in and you're like,
I mean, what is this wax on? Wax off? What
is this even good for? Why do we need to
know about fighter pilots and then all of a sudden,
like it's over and you're just like, oh, like the
light bulb goes off, Like that was epic, Like that
(32:57):
was like next level. It was a Hall of Fame coaching.
And I'll never forget it means years ago. It's probably
ten and eleven years ago, and you know, I'm coaching
high school football now and I still look for those
types of nuggets because I think it's even harder to.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Coach kids aremore distracted.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well, it's harder to coach really creative players who feel like, hey,
I know, I already know, I know, coach I know,
and so like, think about what that's like coaching the
game's best, the Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes, you know
those types of guys. You have to get creative.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I want to ask you one college question. So everybody
beats up on Will Howard at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You know, he.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Scrambles, he doesn't get down in time. But I had said,
going into this game for an eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty
one year old college players, NFL is different to travel
three thousand miles. I guarantee a ninety nine percent of
that roster had never been to the Pacific Northwest. That's
one of the loudest places. So everybody's beating up on
Will Howard and I'm like, I get it, like you're
(33:56):
you're I mean Andy Reid got crushed for clock management
until he got my homes And the minute Brady left
New England, everybody said Belichick's clock management is terrible. Take
me to how hard it is in these last moments
or did you was it easier for you?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Well it's different this year, right, because now the college
game has the coach to quarterback communication system. Guys like
David Shaw were fighting for this forever because they had
to signal it in I mean, you can remember like
college quarterbacks like taking a knee on fourth down or sorry,
spiking it on fourth down. Like it's just hard. Like
these are college kids, right, you know. I mean I
(34:31):
played eighteen years in the NFL. I threw more touchdown,
I threw more interceptions than touchdowns in college. I was
a kid. I rushed for negative two hundred and eighty
eight yards in my college career. Like, I mean, so
who am I to pile onto a college game? But
I do think now that the coach to quarterback communication
system is there more responsibility falls on the coaching staff,
and I think that that's a kind of a welcome thing,
(34:54):
but no, the whole thing's tough. I mean, these guys
are also going to school. It's it's crazy. We have
professionalized I call it professional amateur sports.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We college football, track and field a little bit. There
are amateurs but getting paid.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
No doubt. And so the scrutiny is on these especially
at the top schools, the rare air schools, the scrutiny
is on those quarterbacks, just like it is on these
pro guys. And I just think it's tough, like the
the lack of experience, the you know, like still going
to school, like all of it. I do think it's tough.
So I'm like usually the last guy to pile on
(35:30):
onto those guys. And again because like if you were
to evaluate me at that time, I mean, mistakes all
over the place, and the good thing about mistakes as
you learn from them, but in the moment, but to
do it under the microscope like these guys got to
do is very very tough.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I am one more. I've said this. You were mechanically
very sound, You moved well when I watched Shador Sanders
moving forward back left right. He's just accurate. CJ Stroud
has this. CJ's just accurate guys mechanically, and Sam Darnold
his mechanics needed like training. So I watched the dour
(36:06):
this weekend with a bad old line and no run
game and it's top two receivers out, and I'm like, man,
that is that is effortlessly accurate? Was accuracy easy for you?
Did you ever see somebody in the league that you
thought was great but actually had to put the time
into accuracy And.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like, oh, yeah, without a doubt. But you know, I
also think like there's all these hidden things that I
think quarterbacks respect the offensive linemen and respect, and I
think they just kind of go unnoticed. You know a
lot of times people say, oh, the offensive line's bad. Well,
you can like at the end of the year in
the in the NFL, at the end of the year,
every year you assigned blame for the sacks, right, they
(36:43):
kind of assigned blame all that was on the guard,
that was on the tackle, that was on the quarterback,
whatever that was on the coach, that was on the scheme.
But like when we would do that in the off season,
I would kind of say, like, Okay, what could I
have done different? Like, what could I have done different?
Even if the blame wasn't technically on me. And I
think there's something to throwing the ball shorter on time
at times and also just finding a way to throw
(37:06):
the ball away. So like you know, when they were
in their heyday, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers were like leading
the league in throwaways. And to me, that's avoiding sacks.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Is that hurting your quarterback rating? Yeah? You know, is
that hurting your own personal stats?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Is that helping the team though? Yes? Is that helping
the offensive line? And so I think there are quarterbacks
who do an amazing job of protecting the team with
not taking sacks, and then there's other guys that it's
just like you know, your fingernails on a chalkboard. They'll
take a sack when there was absolutely no reason to
take a sack, and you put your team behind, and
(37:45):
now it hurts the offense, it hurts the defense. So
I think that's an area where more athletic quarterbacks because
they can get away with scrambling. I think that's an area,
like I've mentioned to you, I think Steve Young was
a guy that he said it was hardest for me
because I knew I could try my legs, and for
you know, a lot of guys, it's a curse in
a blessing.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, man, hassel Bet, I love having you in studio.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yes, guys, this is great. I'm gonna shoot nice. Who's
got it better than you? Guys? No body exactly
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!