October 16, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin looks at the 3 rookie QBs one-third of the way into the season and why it's already clear they are franchise cornerstone players.
He talks to Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt about Ohio State coming up short against another top-5 team and where USC is headed after another loss under head coach Lincoln Riley
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh are we gonna get? Oh second hour? I can't
control myself Live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. The
Klattmeister's coming on in a couple of minutes off the
biggest college football weekend of the year. We've got Texas
Georgia coming up. This is The Herd. Jmack literally last
segment lost so bad that he is sulking around the studio.
(00:49):
I mean, it's one thing to lose to brock Kurdi argument,
but to lose the way he lost the last argument,
it may sever our relationship, fizziers in our friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I just love your blind He has a missed. I
don't know who the genius is behind that, because you're
not that vindictive to go to go to go after
Aaron Rodgers to that level. I mean, boy, Jared Goff
second and half versus.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Since twenty twenty two, Jared Goff, if you just count
as second half's is equal to Aaron Rodgers. That that
sums up. So but one guy's got a lot of sizzle,
one guy's got no sizzle. U both have some steak.
But Jared Goff's all steak. I mean, that's that since
twenty twenty two. That includes a Matt Lafleur year. So
you can keep trying to tell me Goff isn't the
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guy and Rogers is still no, that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
A lot of pressure on Rogers this week in Pittsburgh,
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
They're gonna win. Jet's gonna win. So I want to
talk about that. So Jerry Jones, I want to talk
about the Jets because i'm i'm, i'm I have made
a new uh it's not a New Year's resolution because
it's October. It's an October resolution more positivity. We live
in a very negative world, so Jerry Jones says the
Cowboys will not be active at the NFL trade deadline.
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So the ship is sinking and Jerry's got no interest
giving anybody a life preserver. So the Jets are two
and four but again, I think they're going to go
on a big winning streak here. They have an excellent
running back and he just came off his best game.
I think their defensive personnel is good. DeVante Adams isn't
gonna hurt the team. They have two good receivers, and
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I think they start playing quarterbacks they can beat. So
I think the Jets are okay okay, and they went
and made a move to get Devonte Adams. They're acknowledging
we need some more juice here. The Jets point differential
and there's no quit. When you watch the Jets, they
play their ass off. There's no quit. They're playing their
butts off. Their point differential at two and four is
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plus five. Dallas has no run game none. Their defense
has holes all over it. Their point differential is minus
forty two. They're getting holes. They're getting blown out at home,
and they don't want to make any moves. So you
can roll your eyes at the Jets. But they didn't
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spend any money did Dallas in free agency. They're not
making moves here. So it's not a lame duck coach,
it's a lame duck team. Dallas isn't a super Bowl team.
I don't think the Jets are, but Garrett Wilson, DeVante Adams,
Aaron Rodgers, Bresse Hall Old Line's okay, good defense. There's
some fight in the Jets. The Jets are the best
two and four team in the league, and they're going
to beat Pittsburgh this weekend. Aaron's not gonna play, you
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know he whether he points at Mike Williams or not.
Aaron's got to play better. And so I think Jerry
is being intellectually dishonest. And I think he was intellectually
dishonest a couple of days ago when he picked on
these radio hosts who pushed back on Jerry on Dallas Radio.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
There was a lot of criticism that you guys didn't add,
didn't spend, and don't add, and don't spend and are
not aggressive enough.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Oh I remember those criticisms very well. Okay, so what.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Are they playing out to be accurate?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
What's your point? What's your point? Now? If you think
I'm interested on a phone call with you over a
radio and sitting here and throwing all the good at
with the dishwater, you have got to be smoking something
over there this morning. This is not your job. Your
job is to let me go over all the reasons
(04:24):
that I did something and I'm sorry that I did it.
That's not your job.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well my job is that a job, or.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I'll get another. I'll get somebody else to ask these questions. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, well it is actually a radio person's job to
Sometimes we have to make people uncomfortable. I mean, you
see Clatt every week on the show. I have to
push back and with that, the voice of college football
at Fox Sports, Joel Clatt off the craziest weekend in
college football. Oh it was glorious.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
It's a great weekend, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I sat and watched start to end.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, I saw.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I saw your TikTok or whatever you throw out out
there at half of that USC game.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
That took whatever you put out there.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It really no wonder you're you're taking shots at J
Mack this week.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
You had to.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You had to pump yourself up after that. I mean,
you took a huge l on that one on the
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm not going to get into it. We're all interesting, interesting,
and it should be no as I was doing it
very confidently, my friend, very confidently, my friend Dane was
laughing his butt off because I kept and he's like,
you know, if they lose, and I said, I know,
either way, it's fantastic. Sometimes being smug has its benefits. Well,
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you were definitely smug, all right. I don't know if
it has its benefits, but that's okay. So let's go
to Oregon. Ohio State.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Okay, great game.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh So my.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Take was if they'd have played in a neutral field,
if they play in Columbus, Ohio State is gonna win.
Asking kids to go into Eugene or Columbus or Joe
Georgia or Austin and play a flawless game. I had said,
they're gonna have delay a game penalties, They're gonna have.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Penalties, and they did.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm like, Ohio State's great. These Remember only two of
Sabans Natties were undefeated. Those losses you go on the road.
I look at Ohio State. I thought they played by
and large in that environment against the great team.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Really well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I thought both teams played like listen, Oregon just
played better.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think that that's that's a fair statement. And Oregon
did things that we didn't see early in the season,
and they've corrected a lot of these things that we
lamited by the way you and I on this show. Yes,
early in the year we talked about their offensive line
not playing very well. Guess what, they haven't given up
a sack in four weeks. So that's all of a
sudden changed and turned around. Evan Stewart was nowhere to
be found. He goes seven forty three. I mean, Dylan
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Gabriel was a lot of short passing point guard distribute
eight plays of twenty five or more yards. I mean
like they played phenomenal and all and in a lot
of ways really probably should have been ranked number one
in the country if it weren't for the fact that
Texas has just been totally dominant in their season so
far and were in Red River against Oklahoma. So that's
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the Oregon side, and I think on the Ohio State
side is frustration. The frustration being that they felt like
they put themselves in a position to win the game
and didn't and didn't win the game and didn't execute
down the stretch, and I know it's a frustration. I
know it's a frustration for Ryan. And the thing that
I'm actually most perplexed about about the Ohio State performance
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was the fact that the defense gave up so many
big plays was because that was the exact thing that
they tried to change and did change last season. Do
you remember in twenty two late in twenty two when
Michigan torched them for big plays, then they still got
into the playoff and Georgia torched them for big plays.
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Both of those teams they went for eight yards or
more per play in those two games. Since then, Ohio
State had really locked people up as far as the
explosive plays go defensively, and last year they didn't have
a game in which their defense gave up over five
yards per play, not one game. You know what Oregon
did Saturday night eight and a half seven plus yards
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per play because of the explosives, and so seeing that
rear its head again for Ohio State, I think that
was the most worrisome aspect for the Buckeyes moving forward. Yeah,
I think these are really really I think Texas is
the best team. Ohio State looks like physically the second
best team, but I think Oregon's outstanding. I will say
this that you know, in these top five matchups, and
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we've seen this in our life. I remember seeing it
with the Sacramento Kings. You thought to yourself, they're too
damn good not to win a championship, and they never did,
and the window closed. Seahawks won a title, but it
looked like a dynasty. Everybody was like twenty five years old.
And then it closed really quickly. And so when you
get Buffalo and Baltimore, we keep saying Lamar and John
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too good not to win Super Bowls, and they keep
losing earlier than we think. In the players, there's a
lot of teams like this. Florida State should have won
more national championships under Bobby Bowden, and the Braves should
have won more World Series, you know when they were
winning all those dis Ryan day, you're close, you play
the part, you look good. You're two and six against
top five teams. Generally, when you don't win them, there's
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something there that's missing. It may not be I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Okay, I'm going to follow on this.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, you just don't buy that. I don't because of
the history of the sport. Now, maybe if we got
into the specifics of what's going on with Ohio State,
you know, but the fact of the matter is is
he's putting himself and his team in position, you know,
and there's something to be said for that. And then
the history of the sport would suggest that guys don't
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win championships in their first six years as head coaches.
Oh that's fair, right, I mean, I mean the only
guys that have done that. I'm trying to think Switzer
won one early. If you remember, he was given him
a sports car, So give me another one. That's a
good one. Stoops one one in his second year he did,
but again, that's right, he did, and he had kind
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of brought them back, remember from the John Blake era.
But my point is is that it's a bit of
an anomaly. Even Saban took a long time and his
best years were fifty plus, you know, in terms of
his age, and Osborne took I think it was seventeen
years to.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Now, or even more.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dabo Sweeney Dalla was ten years Kirby's six years. So
I think that Ryan, I think will win a championship.
And if he does so in this season or even
moving forward, that's basically right in line with what college
football I believe there has been historically. I believe Ohio
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State and Oregon will play again. Ohio State will win
in Ohio State will play Texas for the national Championship.
I thought Tennessee's offense worries me. I love their defense.
Tennessee's my dark horse to win it. Their quarterback is
now he's he's regressed, unfortunately for him as a young player. Okay,
we've got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I may at the end of this segment spend a
couple of seconds on Lincoln Riley. Let's go to Georgia Texas. So, okay,
you lose, really you lost the first half to Alabama.
He just played you got overwell, yeah again it happens.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
You know you again in a great environment like you know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, this isn't the NFL where the points spread difference
is one with veteran quarterbacks. Sorry, Drew Brees was okay
playing in Atlanta. Okay, I I test. Georgia does not
look as powerful on the old line. Correct, Texas looks
like the most powerful team on the old line. Carson
(11:45):
Beck the kid throws dimes. Let's not say, don't quite
have the same feeling I did last year. But he's
still very good. Yeah, I test tells me Texas is
what Georgia was for about a four year period. They
look bigger and stronger, they're more complete of a team. Okay,
Georgia is still an elite team, no player's no doubt.
But there are things that beck is having to overcome,
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like an offensive line that is not completely dominant, a
run game that is not totally healthy. In three of
their six games this year, they've averaged under four yards
per carry. Wow, and so like that's not going to
here's what that does in reality, What that does is
it forces you into a position as an offense and
more specifically as a quarterback where you're having to throw
the football when you have to versus when you want
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to see when you win the line of scrimmage and
when you own the game in the tempo of the game.
As an offensive line, Yeah, your quarterback gets to throw
the ball because he wants to r the offense in general,
play action, pass, second and short. You can really put
defenders in conflict based on what you're doing in the
backfield versus hey, Carson, you have to throw the football
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or else we're not going to move the ball down
the field. Now, he did it very well because he's
a talented guy. So he throws for over four hundred
yards last week. But remember now they're a thirty point
favorite win by ten over Missippi State. Missippi State is
a one win team, So something is not right with Georgia.
As opposed to what it was the last few years.
Kentucky's D line pushed them around the field. I watched,
(13:11):
I watched that game. That was like, that was an
eye opener. It's like, this isn't like a fluke. It's
like Kentucky's stronger than you are up front defensive line
against your O line. And on the flip side for Texas,
you're exactly right. I think this is the best offensive
line in college football. They're the most experience in particular
of the real contenders. A lot of these guys for
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Texas have played for three straight years together.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
You see, here's.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
What's going on in college football, Colin. It's it's yes
about talent acquisition, but what's becoming more important than talent
acquisition talent retention. Yes, you've got to recruit not your
future players, but your current players, because getting your current
players to stay in your program delivers continuity and experience,
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and all of that continuity and experience allows you to
perform at your best in the biggest moments, and that's
what we're seeing from Texas on the offensive line, they
are owning the game really in the tempo of the game,
and in large part they be They have been able
to protect their defense as well, which allows them to
be the number one scoring offense in the country and
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the number one scoring defense in the country. So they're
a complete team. This is what we normally saw from
Georgia over the last three years, and now that's what
we're seeing from Sark on the Texas side. So as
I walk around California recording videos of myself, yeah, no,
people come up. There's a lot of USC jerseys in
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this town. It's a USC football town, a lot of
USC and they come up and people lament the state.
And it's amazing how often I think we need a
new coach.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Oh my gosh, I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh yeah, I've been hearing about this about Dave Roberts
the Dodgers give me the playoffs. I've been hearing this
for seven years, Like Dave's pretty good. Well, look at
all the coaches the Lakers go through. Yeah, don't want
to be the Jets or the Raiders. I mean, just so,
here's my take. I overvalued. I thought they'd beat Minnesota,
and I thought the Penn State game LSU games would
go either way. Games they won one, they lost one,
and they could they could have lost LSU, they could
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have beaten Penn State. So my take is you just
said something that's real smart. It's player retention the criticism.
I sometimes I wish Lincoln would bark a little more
and be a little more insertive. He's a little stoic
and intellectual, cerebral. But in this world we live in
now of player retention, you can't dog your players too
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much or they'll go, you gotta be you gotta be
a little NFL, you gotta be a little player friendly.
I mean, Andy Reid barks, his players love him, yes,
And I think Lincoln big picture knows this is a.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Really really young offense. You know what it is? What
Texas two years ago? That's what USC is.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Say that again, USC is out of point that SARK
was two years ago. Remember Umber when SARK would always
lose those close games. Remember it's like, oh, they could
have beat or should have beat Alabama, but didn't you
know and why Well, their offensive line was young, remember
and guess what they've got now, all those same offensive
linemen and they're the best team in college football. So
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let's go back to the talent retention. USC will be
just fine as long as Lincoln can retain the talent
on the line of scrimmage. If he can take these
guys that are playing as red shirt freshmen and young players,
and if he can take them and continue to grow them,
continue to play difficult games and you know what, yeah,
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win some of them, but retain those players then next
year and the year after, and guess what, They're the
ones that are going to be controlling tempo. They're the
ones that are going to be able to control four
minute offense. They're the ones that will be able to
drive down and not have the quarterback under so much pressure,
because that's what Texas was. Remember two years ago, people
in Austin were like, hey, man, is Sark really like?
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Are we are we sure about Sark? And now toast
of the town, Texas is the best team in college football.
They're undefeated, they should beat Georgia and why they developed
and they did so at the line of scrimmage. I
think that's the trajectory that USC is on person. I
told a friend and my follow recruiting. Last year's recruiting
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class at usc is the first time I remember, they
got three legitimate big time d linemen. They're not playing
their kids, they're in the weight room. So I like
where you're going. Okay, So this weekend I thought there
was a real separation, So I talk quarterbacks a lot. Yeah,
it's pretty good at a costa high if you go
find the old video. Yeah, I love slinging cow heard
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did you play quarterback? Not particularly well? Oh okay, the
screen pass was my alley. Oh yeah, listen, Yeah, I
love the screen pass.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I watched it her Sanders, and I think it's pretty
obvious that's the number one pick.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
So for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
First of all, First of all, quin yours like him
hurt again, don't love that. I always had Sam Bradford
hurting college, hurting. The pros don't want to see it.
Cam Ward feels small. I've fallen for this before. Should
or Sanders same height? I never think about his hype. Well,
you can't call one of them small. And then the
other one you don't think about is when I look
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at camp. That doesn't make any sense. It may not,
But when I look at Shadoor Sanders, Mahomes and Shouldur
Sanders the same size, they play well. That means cam
Ward is the same size as he. So why are
you worried about his size? I think he comes across
as a little bit of a mover and a playmaker.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Man, I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think is easily the best quarterback in college. I
think he's separated. This is not a knock against should Or.
I just don't think he's He's separated, and it's not
because of anything he hasn't done. As much as I
just think cam.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Is really good.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I would agree with with Quinn, like the injury issue
is an is an issue every year that quin yours
gets banged up. It's like, well listen now, now it's
it's a pattern. Carson Beck without brock powers, it's not
the same. I've into four hundred yards last week. I
just I just don't think he's separated, Like like what
you're trying to suggest, he very well may be the
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first pick. I think Shudor Sanders is such a better
player than he gets credit. Because everybody loves to hate
on Colorado, Shudoor Sanders.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
And his death.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Had no run game last week, No, and he didn't
have his and he didn't have his best Hunter and
Horn and Jimmy Horn, so he didn't have his two
best one receivers team in the Big twelve. And they're
going against Kansas State and they have a lead with
three minutes to go. Now, I felt like the coaching
staff for Colorado just fumbled the game at the end.
You don't play man coverage up four inside of three
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minutes to allow big plays to happen. You force him
to snap at ten, eleven, twelve times. So you've got
to create layers to your defense and force them and
encourage them to run the football, rally up, make the tackle,
and then let the clockwork on your side, and then
fourth and five, don't throw a fade.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
This is my pushback on Shoudor.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He's fabulous, he is accurate.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
He is tough.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean, you talk about tough, this guy's there's no
one in the last two years in college football that
has been hit more than sers. And he gets right
and he gets right back up there and he continues
to stand in the face of pressure and deliver dimes.
And I love that about him. He's an anticipatory thrower.
He's smart, he understands defensive structure. His game translates. There
are two things that I think he needs to get
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better at Number One, he's got to quit holding onto
the football. He is allergic to incompletions and so he
doesn't want to.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Throw the football. Problem.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You've got to throw it away, in particular at the
next level or you're gonna get hurt. And then the
next thing is is that he has this and it's.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Happened twice this year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He throws these weird like, oh, I'm gonna take the fade,
and it's like, it's not the situation to throw the fade.
He did think against North Akota State when they needed
to run out the clock and he threw a slot fade.
He shouldn't have done that. It was incomplete fourth and six.
On Saturday night against Kansas State, they've got to drive
down to kick a field goal. It's fourth and six,
he throws a fade. It's like, dude, you got blitzed
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from the field the wide side of the field. You've
got an inbreaking route from that side that has inside
leverage on the support defender. Throw the inbreaking route. So
there are things that frustrate me about Shudor, namely those
decisions and critical moments and that he holds the football.
But everything else, this guy is fabulous. He's accurate, he's tough.
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He absolutely to your point, he absolutely could be the
first pick in the draft. I just don't want to
throw cam Ward away because I think cam Ward is
also sensational. All right, Klass top ten. You know, listen,
we're going into a twelve team playoff. You know Indiana
six and zero. Well, I do know that I'm calling
their game this weekend now, so they're pretty interesting. I
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love told the Curse Signetti their head coach. Dude, this guy,
he can do it. He's the next Kailindbor.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Somebody told me that Bloomington, Indiana is the most underrated
college town in America.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Oh interesting, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The best college town.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I've flown over it several times. We have. Did you
look out the window and you thought, huh, I.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Was busy point, But.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I've heard it's really nice. AnyWho your top ten? I
think I think we can all can we all say
this now? Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, those are the best
three teams in the gun. Yes, I feel no problem
saying there's no doubt. That's why I didn't move Ohio
State down much further. Yeah, I still believe in George's talent.
That's a great win for Penn State, and I think
a momentum builder for James Franklin, and I think over
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a very good team in USC. USC's ranking and record
are not indicative of how good their team is. And
then the team that I would just throw out there
that no one's talking about because they got throttled Week one,
Watch out for Clemson another forty nine points last week.
I've been telling you for weeks, haven't I. It's like,
watch out for Clemson. How about Dabo Sweeney, He's stuck
to his guns. They did, we all piled on him.
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Talent retention keeps his guys. You know something is uh?
Last week was so fun. It is college football in
a world of anxiety every four years. Saturday was what
I love about college football. There's a little corporate feel,
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but it's just one big party.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Was a Eugenie. Yeah, Eugene's a party. By the way,
Baton Rouge was a party. LSU comes back. They beat
Ole miss Day storm the field. I mean, it's I
love it. There's it's it's more unpredictable than the NFL.
It's less corporate. I mean, I love the NFL, and
all of us love the NFL, and it's the king obviously.
College football, though, Man, it's it's just like it's like
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the fabric of It's like the fabric of the country.
He ever had a family gathering, and one member he's
a little inappropriate. He took his clothes off, jumped in
the pool. You threw him a towel, he wrapped up.
He went home, and you're kind of mad at him.
And then the next morning you wake up and think,
does he have more fun than the rest of us?
Maybe I should jump in the pool naked once in
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a while, to big party. That's college football. It's kind
of it's almost a little off its teaster sometimes. But God,
when I watched Oregon Ohio State, I was so happy
for all those fans.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It's so good good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I love it, man, It's great to see you as well.
A man of stability. You know, some might say talent retention.
You've kept me around all these years. Well done, You're
doing a good job. I'm the Lincoln Riley of this thing.
I'm five hundred while my talent, well, you better get
better in a hurry.
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Speaker 3 (25:09):
News all right, Calvert, we got Marii Cooper going from
the Browns to the Bills.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Josh Allen had said the offense was good with it.
Everybody eats mentality a few weeks back, and head coach
Sean McDermott pushed a similar message after acquiring a former
Browns receiver.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
You know, I think that remains to be seen right.
You know, he was obviously on a different team as
up until a couple of hours ago. So we want
to get him in here and get him up his
feed on our terminology in our system and see how
he fits in. And like I said, it's never about
one guy, it's about it's about the team, and in
this case, the offense.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think they needed him.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Like this offense looked very limited the last three weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, I think they were fine without him. But it's
juice to a good team getting slightly better.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fucky, fine, fine is not contending in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well, I mean when you lose Khalil Shakir and your
offenses can't do anything, like you got problems.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, this rookie receiver is gonna keep getting better. He's
gonna keep getting better.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
He doesn't scare anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Well right now, Amari Cooper can throw some I like
don Amari Cooper's quiet and productive. I like those kind
of people. He doesn't need to tell you how great
he is. He just comes in, works hard, good guy.
I like Jamari Cooper is the opposite of a diva
wide receiver. I get production. I like that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's what you're talking about me there for a second.
Quiet and productive.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Next up is DeVante Adams that people speculating whether or
not the Raiders would trade him.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Obviously, he got shipped to the Jets.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yesterday at the owners meetings, Raiders owner Mark Davis said
that trading Pro Bowl defensive end Max Crosby is quote
just not happening now, coward, you haven't in with Crosby.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Don't know if you guys are text buddies.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It sounds like the only way he's getting out of
Vegas is if he like says I want out.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I a DeVonta Adams.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think he defines the Raiders. The Raiders have a
tough guy image. He's the toughest guy edge rushers like
Max Crosby. You don't get Max Crosby in the fifth round.
It's like George Kittle in the fifth round. He's a
Hall of Famer. I would not trade Max Crosby. If
I was Detroit, I would call on it and I
would offer a first round pick. But if I was
Tom Telesco, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up Crosby. I
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would give up Davante Adams. I would almost give up
any wide receiver not named Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.
I would give up almost any wide receiver. Because college
furnishes pro football with so many good ones every year,
how many great Ed Rushers, TJ. Hutchison, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby.
It is a I don't think Mike is in that group.
Nick Bosa, there's like six in the league. Well, k
(27:50):
bon Thiebada is pretty good player.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
So Crosby actually was a fourth round pick out of
Eastern Michigan. He was one of these guys who was
like under recruited.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Everybody loved him and then he just like works his
butt off and becomes a star.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
But I just don't see what the point of holding
onto him is because you're not What does that get to you?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
First of all, the Raiders need to find a quarterback.
If they go go find a Jadeen Daniels or a
Caleb that's a huge disc. They don't get receivers easy.
If receivers are a diamond dust. They have excellent tight ends.
They have a left tackle. I mean, if you look
at what the Raiders have. I've been saying this for years,
the five things you need. Ed Rusher got it. Weapons,
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brock Bowers with or without Devidant got it, left tackle,
Colton Miller got it. They have a lot of the weapon.
They don't have a quarterback. So Mike and I don't
know if the coach is gonna work, but they don't
have a quarterback. If they can get the quarterback right,
you can go find receivers.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So getting extra picks for Crosby enables you to if
you're not like a three win team, trade up.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's what they are. That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You think there are three win teams, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, moving off to Vante, this is a four
win team. I think the Patriots are probably three to
a four win team.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Anthers, there's I think there's some teams work.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I think the Panthers. I think the Panthers will win
a couple of games. NFC's a little weaker little.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I just say, I don't know if the Saints are
winning another game this month. I mean there, they're in
dire straits, Colin. They got a tank basically the Raiders
if you want Cam Warred there.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
This is not a great quarterback class. It's okay, but
I talked to a general manager. I texted a general
manager yesterday who does not need a quarterback, and I
asked him, what do you think of the quarterback class?
And he said, it is not close to the one
we just have.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So the one we just had is Caleb hit, Jayden hit,
bo Nicks looks like a hit. JJ McCarthy in preseason
looked like a hit. So this next one the only
one I absolutely would draft, The only one in Shadeur Sanders,
I would draft him. Cam Ward. I'm just gonna say this.
Be patient, wait for stuff to come out. Shadoor Sanders
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is going to be a clean draft pick. There's gonna
be no baggage, no store, no nothing. Teammates like him.
Everybody else has something else.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
All the other guys torches Kansas State, Kansas State, and
you're all in Kansas State's good, good program.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know about this Colt.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Final story is the Arizona Cardinals. Is there a more
inconsistent team than Arizona. They are the only team in
the league to both win and lose games by twenty.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Eight points so far this season.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
They just got smacked around by the Packers, and Kyler says,
there's no quick fix in Arizona.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
You oh, there's no magic wand the wave or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Which got to execute. We didn't execute today.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
They did so JAG's Marobbins felt like we've played a
game like that where we've made bonehad mistake after bone
had mistake, and no, haven't taken care.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Of the ball.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
So we've been fairly fairly good about taking care of
the ball, and today we didn't. And then you know
in the NFL, I it should be.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I gotta tell you something. This is a good spot
for Arizona getting points at home. Standalone game Monday night
just got rocked time out.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Not standalone. There's two Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Nobody's watching the other one though, Harbon cut Tampa Bay
arm Well, Baker's got a little bit. But it's gonna be.
This is gonna be the noteworthy one. I think this.
So look at what you see with this team. So
they crush the Rams, they look great, and they lose
to the Lions. They get crushed by Commanders, beat San Francisco,
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crushed by Green Bay. The talents there, the consistency is
not home game. Chargers are beat up, do not have
two of their high powered receivers. Arizona is one of
my plays of the week at home getting points often
ugly lost. This is an immature team in Arizona that
plays well when they're focused. If you go look at
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their schedule ugly good, ugly good. They're gonna come out.
They got humiliated last week. They weren't even competitive in
the first half. I mean they could have gotten on
the flight home at halftime. It was embarrassing. I mean
Green Bay it wasn't even clse. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah, I haven't done enough on this game.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I'm curious how the Chargers historically have done against running quarterbacks.
But I just look at the matchup for the Chargers, Colum,
what do they want to do? We know, big offensive line,
run the football. Arizona can't stop the run. You just
run right over them. They don't have a run defense
at all.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
This feels to me like one of these spots where
Hardball's like, all right, we want to control the ball
for thirty eight minutes. We want JK. Dobbins with twenty
seven carries.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Vidal the guy mentioned this week he's gonna get another ten.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I just be careful.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
This Chargers team is very obvious and predictable. But when
they get rolling.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
I mean, you saw what they did to Denver. It
was just like we're running the football.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They have no wide receivers that are I don't think
it matters hardball's got that much of a good machine going.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Again.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I don't have any money on this game, and I
know you have a lust from your boy Kyler Murray.
We'll see he's gonna be afraid of one of the
voses breathing down his neck, perhaps assuming botha plays.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You don't like, Kyl No, I mean I used to.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
And then you know, I I heard some stuff. I
got somebody who's working in the organization, and.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
I'm off, all right, all right?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
A lot of stuff going on today.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
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the new rule here, So listen. It is easy. One
of the things I try not to do. One of
the mantras of this show that I appreciate in sports
is take a big swing. So I don't think Devonte
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Adams is going to change the season, but it's a swing,
and I appreciate big swings. And the reason I appreciate
big swings by my bosses or corporate entities or sports
teams is because most people in life don't take big swings.
They sit on the sidelines and they rip you if
it fails. So hiring Jim Harbaugh at Michigan, dude got
(34:30):
to a Super Bowl. That was a big swing by Michigan.
So I'm rooting for it.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm fought Lincoln Riley to USC that's a big swing.
That is a big swing. I'm rooting for it. Everybody
sits on the sidelines and bangs on the decisions when
they don't work. But the only way to separate from
everybody else in society is big swings. As somebody once
told me, you can't save your way to wealth. I
put money away every month. You can be content you're
(34:57):
not getting wealthy. You want to get wealthy. A swing,
and you're gonna fail on about fifty percent of them.
So I would draft a quarterback every other year, not
in the first round. But so Jerry Jones, one of
the things that's been shocking to me is they didn't
make a move at the at last year in free agency.
I'm like, Jerry, you're an oil man. Take a swing.
(35:20):
Go get Derrick Henry. Figure it out. Move pieces. He's
eight million bucks. He didn't. I was that was my thing.
Go get Derrick Henry. Your running back rooms terrible. You wouldn't.
And here Jerry said this week, you know I'm gonna
stand pat when you watch this team play. They're the
worst three and three team in the league. They're getting
shelled at home. And so he had a combative radio
(35:44):
interview this week in Dallas. But this is the one
thing I did kind of appreciate.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I'm not afraid to night you see, and I live
with anything that we're talking about as far as criticism
about those see. What I'm gonna worry about is what
you see and paying out, and I'll posy what you've
got a lot of wheat and why they don't. And
you've got a lot of teams up here looking around
at some of the defeat and they've made over the
(36:11):
last fight years. Just called everybody else is making bad
defat It doesn't mean that you're making a bad debate.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You say you don't go into it.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
We can go into this.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'm saying what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Don't tell me what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, Jerry's much more successful than you know, ninety nine
point nine percent of the people in Dallas, and he
is because he's he's He's gone for it a lot.
My issue with Jerry is he seeks comfort. This is
one of the criticisms I've had with Aaron Rodgers. He
wants to get his buddy and Alan Lazard and dude
(36:45):
don't seek comfort like go seek production. DeVante Adams is
both he's comfort and production. But at least I get production.
With Alan Lazard, there's limitations congrats on the hail Mary,
But with Jerry, it's like, Jerry, your whole history is
taken swing and so not making any moves and convincing yourself.
This is the roster. It's like, I mean, I don't
(37:05):
even like the roster going forward because of what you're
paying Dak. That's not Matt Stafford, that's not Josh Allen.
You can't. You're paying him Max. So you got to
take some swings to make up for that contract. Ce
D Lamb, you pay him what you got to pay him.
I think a big swing would be to move mi
Caah Parsons. That's a big swing. Move Micah Parsons. You'd
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get a first round pick. You'll have two first round
picks next year, and then go fix the offense. There's
that running back at Boise State. Go get them, you know,
go go get another receiver in the first round. Dallas
needs to take a swing. I'd get two first round picks.
I'd go get a star back. I'd go get a
star receiver opposite of CD Lamb elevate. If you're paying
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Dak that kind of money, you've got to make sure
Dak works right. Like it's like anything else. If you
pay a lot of money for a home, you better
get it insured. If you're paying that kind of money
for Dak, who's a bat plus guy, and you want
to make it, you got to get him a left tackle.
They just drafted one. You gotta sign ceed Lamb. They
just got him. You gotta go get a star backed.
I thought it was Derreck Henry. They said, no, go
(38:09):
draft one, the Boise State kid. Pick him. Everybody's like,
I don't like first round running backs. Dallas needs a
running back. But anytime you make a huge investment in something,
you gotta make sure it works.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It'd be like spending money on a quarterback and then
having a bad offensive line. It's buying a mansion and
not having an insurance you once you invest in something
like dak and I think it's more than you should pay.
I don't get what Miami does. They want to pay
two of the offensive line's bad. He's a small quarterback
that gets hurt. I'll have a bad secondary. I can't
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have a bad line. My investment's too great in Tua.
Get rid of your corners, get tackles. So that's the
thing about Jerry. I like that he takes big swings.
I'm a fan of that, but it's just standing pat
for the last year. Make moves. I'd move Micah, get
another first round pick, and then I would take anything
(39:08):
that helps Dak in the first round. Worry about your
defense later, get help for Dak.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
There you go, J Mack Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, is
going to be stopping by biggest Dodger and met game
of the year. Obviously they're tied at one. Was a
Walker Bueler going for the Dodgers. This's gonna be big.
This is intense, big game.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
But can I quickly go back? Did you just say
the Cowboy should draft a first round running back? The
kid genty from and that's a take.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
They have to get Dak help pan Dak sixty million,
and then saying ceedee Lamb and ham An Eggett. They
got the tackle from Oklahoma. He'll get better, hopefully. Now
go get a running back and go get another weapon.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Go get a running back. That is I mean, I
hear you. The run game is otherways.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Take Uan Barkley first round back, Zeke first round back,
Adrian Peterson first round back. Seems like when you draft him,
they're pretty good.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Those teams well, I don't know if ap the other
teams moved off their running back though after the first
five years.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I need to be good now I don't need to
be good in six years. I've got to be good
for Dak's contract.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh are we gonna get? Oh second hour? I can't
control myself Live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. The
Klattmeister's coming on in a couple of minutes off the
biggest college football weekend of the year. We've got Texas
Georgia coming up. This is The Herd. Jmack literally last
segment lost so bad that he is sulking around the studio.
(00:49):
I mean, it's one thing to lose to brock Kurdi argument,
but to lose the way he lost the last argument,
it may sever our relationship, fizziers in our friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I just love your blind He has a missed. I
don't know who the genius is behind that, because you're
not that vindictive to go to go to go after
Aaron Rodgers to that level. I mean, boy, Jared Goff
second and half versus.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Since twenty twenty two, Jared Goff, if you just count
as second half's is equal to Aaron Rodgers. That that
sums up. So but one guy's got a lot of sizzle,
one guy's got no sizzle. U both have some steak.
But Jared Goff's all steak. I mean, that's that since
twenty twenty two. That includes a Matt Lafleur year. So
you can keep trying to tell me Goff isn't the
(01:33):
guy and Rogers is still no, that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
A lot of pressure on Rogers this week in Pittsburgh,
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
They're gonna win. Jet's gonna win. So I want to
talk about that. So Jerry Jones, I want to talk
about the Jets because i'm i'm, i'm I have made
a new uh it's not a New Year's resolution because
it's October. It's an October resolution more positivity. We live
in a very negative world, so Jerry Jones says the
Cowboys will not be active at the NFL trade deadline.
(02:02):
So the ship is sinking and Jerry's got no interest
giving anybody a life preserver. So the Jets are two
and four but again, I think they're going to go
on a big winning streak here. They have an excellent
running back and he just came off his best game.
I think their defensive personnel is good. DeVante Adams isn't
gonna hurt the team. They have two good receivers, and
(02:22):
I think they start playing quarterbacks they can beat. So
I think the Jets are okay okay, and they went
and made a move to get Devonte Adams. They're acknowledging
we need some more juice here. The Jets point differential
and there's no quit. When you watch the Jets, they
play their ass off. There's no quit. They're playing their
butts off. Their point differential at two and four is
(02:45):
plus five. Dallas has no run game none. Their defense
has holes all over it. Their point differential is minus
forty two. They're getting holes. They're getting blown out at home,
and they don't want to make any moves. So you
can roll your eyes at the Jets. But they didn't
(03:07):
spend any money did Dallas in free agency. They're not
making moves here. So it's not a lame duck coach,
it's a lame duck team. Dallas isn't a super Bowl team.
I don't think the Jets are, but Garrett Wilson, DeVante Adams,
Aaron Rodgers, Bresse Hall Old Line's okay, good defense. There's
some fight in the Jets. The Jets are the best
two and four team in the league, and they're going
to beat Pittsburgh this weekend. Aaron's not gonna play, you
(03:30):
know he whether he points at Mike Williams or not.
Aaron's got to play better. And so I think Jerry
is being intellectually dishonest. And I think he was intellectually
dishonest a couple of days ago when he picked on
these radio hosts who pushed back on Jerry on Dallas Radio.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
There was a lot of criticism that you guys didn't add,
didn't spend, and don't add, and don't spend and are
not aggressive enough.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Oh I remember those criticisms very well. Okay, so what.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Are they playing out to be accurate?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
What's your point? What's your point? Now? If you think
I'm interested on a phone call with you over a
radio and sitting here and throwing all the good at
with the dishwater, you have got to be smoking something
over there this morning. This is not your job. Your
job is to let me go over all the reasons
(04:24):
that I did something and I'm sorry that I did it.
That's not your job.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well my job is that a job, or.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I'll get another. I'll get somebody else to ask these questions. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, well it is actually a radio person's job to
Sometimes we have to make people uncomfortable. I mean, you
see Clatt every week on the show. I have to
push back and with that, the voice of college football
at Fox Sports, Joel Clatt off the craziest weekend in
college football. Oh it was glorious.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
It's a great weekend, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I sat and watched start to end.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, I saw.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I saw your TikTok or whatever you throw out out
there at half of that USC game.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
That took whatever you put out there.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It really no wonder you're you're taking shots at J
Mack this week.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
You had to.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You had to pump yourself up after that. I mean,
you took a huge l on that one on the
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'm not going to get into it. We're all interesting, interesting,
and it should be no as I was doing it
very confidently, my friend, very confidently, my friend Dane was
laughing his butt off because I kept and he's like,
you know, if they lose, and I said, I know,
either way, it's fantastic. Sometimes being smug has its benefits. Well,
(05:38):
you were definitely smug, all right. I don't know if
it has its benefits, but that's okay. So let's go
to Oregon. Ohio State.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Okay, great game.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh So my.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Take was if they'd have played in a neutral field,
if they play in Columbus, Ohio State is gonna win.
Asking kids to go into Eugene or Columbus or Joe
Georgia or Austin and play a flawless game. I had said,
they're gonna have delay a game penalties, They're gonna have.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Penalties, and they did.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm like, Ohio State's great. These Remember only two of
Sabans Natties were undefeated. Those losses you go on the road.
I look at Ohio State. I thought they played by
and large in that environment against the great team.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Really well.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I thought both teams played like listen, Oregon just
played better.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I think that that's that's a fair statement. And Oregon
did things that we didn't see early in the season,
and they've corrected a lot of these things that we
lamited by the way you and I on this show. Yes,
early in the year we talked about their offensive line
not playing very well. Guess what, they haven't given up
a sack in four weeks. So that's all of a
sudden changed and turned around. Evan Stewart was nowhere to
be found. He goes seven forty three. I mean, Dylan
(06:50):
Gabriel was a lot of short passing point guard distribute
eight plays of twenty five or more yards. I mean
like they played phenomenal and all and in a lot
of ways really probably should have been ranked number one
in the country if it weren't for the fact that
Texas has just been totally dominant in their season so
far and were in Red River against Oklahoma. So that's
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the Oregon side, and I think on the Ohio State
side is frustration. The frustration being that they felt like
they put themselves in a position to win the game
and didn't and didn't win the game and didn't execute
down the stretch, and I know it's a frustration. I
know it's a frustration for Ryan. And the thing that
I'm actually most perplexed about about the Ohio State performance
(07:34):
was the fact that the defense gave up so many
big plays was because that was the exact thing that
they tried to change and did change last season. Do
you remember in twenty two late in twenty two when
Michigan torched them for big plays, then they still got
into the playoff and Georgia torched them for big plays.
(07:56):
Both of those teams they went for eight yards or
more per play in those two games. Since then, Ohio
State had really locked people up as far as the
explosive plays go defensively, and last year they didn't have
a game in which their defense gave up over five
yards per play, not one game. You know what Oregon
did Saturday night eight and a half seven plus yards
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per play because of the explosives, and so seeing that
rear its head again for Ohio State, I think that
was the most worrisome aspect for the Buckeyes moving forward. Yeah,
I think these are really really I think Texas is
the best team. Ohio State looks like physically the second
best team, but I think Oregon's outstanding. I will say
this that you know, in these top five matchups, and
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we've seen this in our life. I remember seeing it
with the Sacramento Kings. You thought to yourself, they're too
damn good not to win a championship, and they never did,
and the window closed. Seahawks won a title, but it
looked like a dynasty. Everybody was like twenty five years old.
And then it closed really quickly. And so when you
get Buffalo and Baltimore, we keep saying Lamar and John
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too good not to win Super Bowls, and they keep
losing earlier than we think. In the players, there's a
lot of teams like this. Florida State should have won
more national championships under Bobby Bowden, and the Braves should
have won more World Series, you know when they were
winning all those dis Ryan day, you're close, you play
the part, you look good. You're two and six against
top five teams. Generally, when you don't win them, there's
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something there that's missing. It may not be I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Okay, I'm going to follow on this.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, you just don't buy that. I don't because of
the history of the sport. Now, maybe if we got
into the specifics of what's going on with Ohio State,
you know, but the fact of the matter is is
he's putting himself and his team in position, you know,
and there's something to be said for that. And then
the history of the sport would suggest that guys don't
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win championships in their first six years as head coaches.
Oh that's fair, right, I mean, I mean the only
guys that have done that. I'm trying to think Switzer
won one early. If you remember, he was given him
a sports car, So give me another one. That's a
good one. Stoops one one in his second year he did,
but again, that's right, he did, and he had kind
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of brought them back, remember from the John Blake era.
But my point is is that it's a bit of
an anomaly. Even Saban took a long time and his
best years were fifty plus, you know, in terms of
his age, and Osborne took I think it was seventeen
years to.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Now, or even more.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Dabo Sweeney Dalla was ten years Kirby's six years. So
I think that Ryan, I think will win a championship.
And if he does so in this season or even
moving forward, that's basically right in line with what college
football I believe there has been historically. I believe Ohio
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State and Oregon will play again. Ohio State will win
in Ohio State will play Texas for the national Championship.
I thought Tennessee's offense worries me. I love their defense.
Tennessee's my dark horse to win it. Their quarterback is
now he's he's regressed, unfortunately for him as a young player. Okay,
we've got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I may at the end of this segment spend a
couple of seconds on Lincoln Riley. Let's go to Georgia Texas. So, okay,
you lose, really you lost the first half to Alabama.
He just played you got overwell, yeah again it happens.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
You know you again in a great environment like you know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, this isn't the NFL where the points spread difference
is one with veteran quarterbacks. Sorry, Drew Brees was okay
playing in Atlanta. Okay, I I test. Georgia does not
look as powerful on the old line. Correct, Texas looks
like the most powerful team on the old line. Carson
(11:45):
Beck the kid throws dimes. Let's not say, don't quite
have the same feeling I did last year. But he's
still very good. Yeah, I test tells me Texas is
what Georgia was for about a four year period. They
look bigger and stronger, they're more complete of a team. Okay,
Georgia is still an elite team, no player's no doubt.
But there are things that beck is having to overcome,
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like an offensive line that is not completely dominant, a
run game that is not totally healthy. In three of
their six games this year, they've averaged under four yards
per carry. Wow, and so like that's not going to
here's what that does in reality, What that does is
it forces you into a position as an offense and
more specifically as a quarterback where you're having to throw
the football when you have to versus when you want
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to see when you win the line of scrimmage and
when you own the game in the tempo of the game.
As an offensive line, Yeah, your quarterback gets to throw
the ball because he wants to r the offense in general,
play action, pass, second and short. You can really put
defenders in conflict based on what you're doing in the
backfield versus hey, Carson, you have to throw the football
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or else we're not going to move the ball down
the field. Now, he did it very well because he's
a talented guy. So he throws for over four hundred
yards last week. But remember now they're a thirty point
favorite win by ten over Missippi State. Missippi State is
a one win team, So something is not right with Georgia.
As opposed to what it was the last few years.
Kentucky's D line pushed them around the field. I watched,
(13:11):
I watched that game. That was like, that was an
eye opener. It's like, this isn't like a fluke. It's
like Kentucky's stronger than you are up front defensive line
against your O line. And on the flip side for Texas,
you're exactly right. I think this is the best offensive
line in college football. They're the most experience in particular
of the real contenders. A lot of these guys for
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Texas have played for three straight years together.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
You see, here's.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
What's going on in college football, Colin. It's it's yes
about talent acquisition, but what's becoming more important than talent
acquisition talent retention. Yes, you've got to recruit not your
future players, but your current players, because getting your current
players to stay in your program delivers continuity and experience,
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and all of that continuity and experience allows you to
perform at your best in the biggest moments, and that's
what we're seeing from Texas on the offensive line, they
are owning the game really in the tempo of the game,
and in large part they be They have been able
to protect their defense as well, which allows them to
be the number one scoring offense in the country and
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the number one scoring defense in the country. So they're
a complete team. This is what we normally saw from
Georgia over the last three years, and now that's what
we're seeing from Sark on the Texas side. So as
I walk around California recording videos of myself, yeah, no,
people come up. There's a lot of USC jerseys in
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this town. It's a USC football town, a lot of
USC and they come up and people lament the state.
And it's amazing how often I think we need a
new coach.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Oh my gosh, I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh yeah, I've been hearing about this about Dave Roberts
the Dodgers give me the playoffs. I've been hearing this
for seven years, Like Dave's pretty good. Well, look at
all the coaches the Lakers go through. Yeah, don't want
to be the Jets or the Raiders. I mean, just so,
here's my take. I overvalued. I thought they'd beat Minnesota,
and I thought the Penn State game LSU games would
go either way. Games they won one, they lost one,
and they could they could have lost LSU, they could
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have beaten Penn State. So my take is you just
said something that's real smart. It's player retention the criticism.
I sometimes I wish Lincoln would bark a little more
and be a little more insertive. He's a little stoic
and intellectual, cerebral. But in this world we live in
now of player retention, you can't dog your players too
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much or they'll go, you gotta be you gotta be
a little NFL, you gotta be a little player friendly.
I mean, Andy Reid barks, his players love him, yes,
And I think Lincoln big picture knows this is a.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Really really young offense. You know what it is? What
Texas two years ago? That's what USC is.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Say that again, USC is out of point that SARK
was two years ago. Remember Umber when SARK would always
lose those close games. Remember it's like, oh, they could
have beat or should have beat Alabama, but didn't you
know and why Well, their offensive line was young, remember
and guess what they've got now, all those same offensive
linemen and they're the best team in college football. So
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let's go back to the talent retention. USC will be
just fine as long as Lincoln can retain the talent
on the line of scrimmage. If he can take these
guys that are playing as red shirt freshmen and young players,
and if he can take them and continue to grow them,
continue to play difficult games and you know what, yeah,
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win some of them, but retain those players then next
year and the year after, and guess what, They're the
ones that are going to be controlling tempo. They're the
ones that are going to be able to control four
minute offense. They're the ones that will be able to
drive down and not have the quarterback under so much pressure,
because that's what Texas was. Remember two years ago, people
in Austin were like, hey, man, is Sark really like?
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Are we are we sure about Sark? And now toast
of the town, Texas is the best team in college football.
They're undefeated, they should beat Georgia and why they developed
and they did so at the line of scrimmage. I
think that's the trajectory that USC is on person. I
told a friend and my follow recruiting. Last year's recruiting
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class at usc is the first time I remember, they
got three legitimate big time d linemen. They're not playing
their kids, they're in the weight room. So I like
where you're going. Okay, So this weekend I thought there
was a real separation, So I talk quarterbacks a lot. Yeah,
it's pretty good at a costa high if you go
find the old video. Yeah, I love slinging cow heard
(17:41):
did you play quarterback? Not particularly well? Oh okay, the
screen pass was my alley. Oh yeah, listen, Yeah, I
love the screen pass.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I watched it her Sanders, and I think it's pretty
obvious that's the number one pick.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
So for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
First of all, First of all, quin yours like him
hurt again, don't love that. I always had Sam Bradford
hurting college, hurting. The pros don't want to see it.
Cam Ward feels small. I've fallen for this before. Should
or Sanders same height? I never think about his hype. Well,
you can't call one of them small. And then the
other one you don't think about is when I look
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at camp. That doesn't make any sense. It may not,
But when I look at Shadoor Sanders, Mahomes and Shouldur
Sanders the same size, they play well. That means cam
Ward is the same size as he. So why are
you worried about his size? I think he comes across
as a little bit of a mover and a playmaker.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Man, I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think is easily the best quarterback in college. I
think he's separated. This is not a knock against should Or.
I just don't think he's He's separated, and it's not
because of anything he hasn't done. As much as I
just think cam.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Is really good.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I would agree with with Quinn, like the injury issue
is an is an issue every year that quin yours
gets banged up. It's like, well listen now, now it's
it's a pattern. Carson Beck without brock powers, it's not
the same. I've into four hundred yards last week. I
just I just don't think he's separated, Like like what
you're trying to suggest, he very well may be the
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first pick. I think Shudor Sanders is such a better
player than he gets credit. Because everybody loves to hate
on Colorado, Shudoor Sanders.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
And his death.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Had no run game last week, No, and he didn't
have his and he didn't have his best Hunter and
Horn and Jimmy Horn, so he didn't have his two
best one receivers team in the Big twelve. And they're
going against Kansas State and they have a lead with
three minutes to go. Now, I felt like the coaching
staff for Colorado just fumbled the game at the end.
You don't play man coverage up four inside of three
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minutes to allow big plays to happen. You force him
to snap at ten, eleven, twelve times. So you've got
to create layers to your defense and force them and
encourage them to run the football, rally up, make the tackle,
and then let the clockwork on your side, and then
fourth and five, don't throw a fade.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
This is my pushback on Shoudor.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He's fabulous, he is accurate.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
He is tough.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean, you talk about tough, this guy's there's no
one in the last two years in college football that
has been hit more than sers. And he gets right
and he gets right back up there and he continues
to stand in the face of pressure and deliver dimes.
And I love that about him. He's an anticipatory thrower.
He's smart, he understands defensive structure. His game translates. There
are two things that I think he needs to get
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better at Number One, he's got to quit holding onto
the football. He is allergic to incompletions and so he
doesn't want to.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Throw the football. Problem.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You've got to throw it away, in particular at the
next level or you're gonna get hurt. And then the
next thing is is that he has this and it's.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Happened twice this year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He throws these weird like, oh, I'm gonna take the fade,
and it's like, it's not the situation to throw the fade.
He did think against North Akota State when they needed
to run out the clock and he threw a slot fade.
He shouldn't have done that. It was incomplete fourth and six.
On Saturday night against Kansas State, they've got to drive
down to kick a field goal. It's fourth and six,
he throws a fade. It's like, dude, you got blitzed
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from the field the wide side of the field. You've
got an inbreaking route from that side that has inside
leverage on the support defender. Throw the inbreaking route. So
there are things that frustrate me about Shudor, namely those
decisions and critical moments and that he holds the football.
But everything else, this guy is fabulous. He's accurate, he's tough.
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He absolutely to your point, he absolutely could be the
first pick in the draft. I just don't want to
throw cam Ward away because I think cam Ward is
also sensational. All right, Klass top ten. You know, listen,
we're going into a twelve team playoff. You know Indiana
six and zero. Well, I do know that I'm calling
their game this weekend now, so they're pretty interesting. I
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love told the Curse Signetti their head coach. Dude, this guy,
he can do it. He's the next Kailindbor.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Somebody told me that Bloomington, Indiana is the most underrated
college town in America.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Oh interesting, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The best college town.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I've flown over it several times. We have. Did you
look out the window and you thought, huh, I.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Was busy point, But.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I've heard it's really nice. AnyWho your top ten? I
think I think we can all can we all say
this now? Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, those are the best
three teams in the gun. Yes, I feel no problem
saying there's no doubt. That's why I didn't move Ohio
State down much further. Yeah, I still believe in George's talent.
That's a great win for Penn State, and I think
a momentum builder for James Franklin, and I think over
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a very good team in USC. USC's ranking and record
are not indicative of how good their team is. And
then the team that I would just throw out there
that no one's talking about because they got throttled Week one,
Watch out for Clemson another forty nine points last week.
I've been telling you for weeks, haven't I. It's like,
watch out for Clemson. How about Dabo Sweeney, He's stuck
to his guns. They did, we all piled on him.
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Talent retention keeps his guys. You know something is uh?
Last week was so fun. It is college football in
a world of anxiety every four years. Saturday was what
I love about college football. There's a little corporate feel,
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but it's just one big party.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Was a Eugenie. Yeah, Eugene's a party. By the way,
Baton Rouge was a party. LSU comes back. They beat
Ole miss Day storm the field. I mean, it's I
love it. There's it's it's more unpredictable than the NFL.
It's less corporate. I mean, I love the NFL, and
all of us love the NFL, and it's the king obviously.
College football, though, Man, it's it's just like it's like
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the fabric of It's like the fabric of the country.
He ever had a family gathering, and one member he's
a little inappropriate. He took his clothes off, jumped in
the pool. You threw him a towel, he wrapped up.
He went home, and you're kind of mad at him.
And then the next morning you wake up and think,
does he have more fun than the rest of us?
Maybe I should jump in the pool naked once in
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a while, to big party. That's college football. It's kind
of it's almost a little off its teaster sometimes. But God,
when I watched Oregon Ohio State, I was so happy
for all those fans.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It's so good good.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I love it, man, It's great to see you as well.
A man of stability. You know, some might say talent retention.
You've kept me around all these years. Well done, You're
doing a good job. I'm the Lincoln Riley of this thing.
I'm five hundred while my talent, well, you better get
better in a hurry.
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Speaker 3 (25:09):
News all right, Calvert, we got Marii Cooper going from
the Browns to the Bills.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Josh Allen had said the offense was good with it.
Everybody eats mentality a few weeks back, and head coach
Sean McDermott pushed a similar message after acquiring a former
Browns receiver.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
You know, I think that remains to be seen right.
You know, he was obviously on a different team as
up until a couple of hours ago. So we want
to get him in here and get him up his
feed on our terminology in our system and see how
he fits in. And like I said, it's never about
one guy, it's about it's about the team, and in
this case, the offense.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think they needed him.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Like this offense looked very limited the last three weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, I think they were fine without him. But it's
juice to a good team getting slightly better.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fucky, fine, fine is not contending in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well, I mean when you lose Khalil Shakir and your
offenses can't do anything, like you got problems.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, this rookie receiver is gonna keep getting better. He's
gonna keep getting better.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
He doesn't scare anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Well right now, Amari Cooper can throw some I like
don Amari Cooper's quiet and productive. I like those kind
of people. He doesn't need to tell you how great
he is. He just comes in, works hard, good guy.
I like Jamari Cooper is the opposite of a diva
wide receiver. I get production. I like that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, that's what you're talking about me there for a second.
Quiet and productive.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Next up is DeVante Adams that people speculating whether or
not the Raiders would trade him.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Obviously, he got shipped to the Jets.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yesterday at the owners meetings, Raiders owner Mark Davis said
that trading Pro Bowl defensive end Max Crosby is quote
just not happening now, coward, you haven't in with Crosby.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Don't know if you guys are text buddies.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It sounds like the only way he's getting out of
Vegas is if he like says I want out.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I a DeVonta Adams.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think he defines the Raiders. The Raiders have a
tough guy image. He's the toughest guy edge rushers like
Max Crosby. You don't get Max Crosby in the fifth round.
It's like George Kittle in the fifth round. He's a
Hall of Famer. I would not trade Max Crosby. If
I was Detroit, I would call on it and I
would offer a first round pick. But if I was
Tom Telesco, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up Crosby. I
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would give up Davante Adams. I would almost give up
any wide receiver not named Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase.
I would give up almost any wide receiver. Because college
furnishes pro football with so many good ones every year,
how many great Ed Rushers, TJ. Hutchison, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby.
It is a I don't think Mike is in that group.
Nick Bosa, there's like six in the league. Well, k
(27:50):
bon Thiebada is pretty good player.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
So Crosby actually was a fourth round pick out of
Eastern Michigan. He was one of these guys who was
like under recruited.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Everybody loved him and then he just like works his
butt off and becomes a star.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
But I just don't see what the point of holding
onto him is because you're not What does that get to you?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
First of all, the Raiders need to find a quarterback.
If they go go find a Jadeen Daniels or a
Caleb that's a huge disc. They don't get receivers easy.
If receivers are a diamond dust. They have excellent tight ends.
They have a left tackle. I mean, if you look
at what the Raiders have. I've been saying this for years,
the five things you need. Ed Rusher got it. Weapons,
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brock Bowers with or without Devidant got it, left tackle,
Colton Miller got it. They have a lot of the weapon.
They don't have a quarterback. So Mike and I don't
know if the coach is gonna work, but they don't
have a quarterback. If they can get the quarterback right,
you can go find receivers.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
So getting extra picks for Crosby enables you to if
you're not like a three win team, trade up.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's what they are. That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You think there are three win teams, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, moving off to Vante, this is a four
win team. I think the Patriots are probably three to
a four win team.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Anthers, there's I think there's some teams work.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I think the Panthers. I think the Panthers will win
a couple of games. NFC's a little weaker little.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I just say, I don't know if the Saints are
winning another game this month. I mean there, they're in
dire straits, Colin. They got a tank basically the Raiders
if you want Cam Warred there.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
This is not a great quarterback class. It's okay, but
I talked to a general manager. I texted a general
manager yesterday who does not need a quarterback, and I
asked him, what do you think of the quarterback class?
And he said, it is not close to the one
we just have.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So the one we just had is Caleb hit, Jayden hit,
bo Nicks looks like a hit. JJ McCarthy in preseason
looked like a hit. So this next one the only
one I absolutely would draft, The only one in Shadeur Sanders,
I would draft him. Cam Ward. I'm just gonna say this.
Be patient, wait for stuff to come out. Shadoor Sanders
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is going to be a clean draft pick. There's gonna
be no baggage, no store, no nothing. Teammates like him.
Everybody else has something else.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
All the other guys torches Kansas State, Kansas State, and
you're all in Kansas State's good, good program.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know about this Colt.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Final story is the Arizona Cardinals. Is there a more
inconsistent team than Arizona. They are the only team in
the league to both win and lose games by twenty.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Eight points so far this season.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
They just got smacked around by the Packers, and Kyler says,
there's no quick fix in Arizona.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
You oh, there's no magic wand the wave or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Which got to execute. We didn't execute today.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
They did so JAG's Marobbins felt like we've played a
game like that where we've made bonehad mistake after bone
had mistake, and no, haven't taken care.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Of the ball.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
So we've been fairly fairly good about taking care of
the ball, and today we didn't. And then you know
in the NFL, I it should be.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I gotta tell you something. This is a good spot
for Arizona getting points at home. Standalone game Monday night
just got rocked time out.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Not standalone. There's two Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Nobody's watching the other one though, Harbon cut Tampa Bay
arm Well, Baker's got a little bit. But it's gonna be.
This is gonna be the noteworthy one. I think this.
So look at what you see with this team. So
they crush the Rams, they look great, and they lose
to the Lions. They get crushed by Commanders, beat San Francisco,
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crushed by Green Bay. The talents there, the consistency is
not home game. Chargers are beat up, do not have
two of their high powered receivers. Arizona is one of
my plays of the week at home getting points often
ugly lost. This is an immature team in Arizona that
plays well when they're focused. If you go look at
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their schedule ugly good, ugly good. They're gonna come out.
They got humiliated last week. They weren't even competitive in
the first half. I mean they could have gotten on
the flight home at halftime. It was embarrassing. I mean
Green Bay it wasn't even clse. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah, I haven't done enough on this game.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I'm curious how the Chargers historically have done against running quarterbacks.
But I just look at the matchup for the Chargers, Colum,
what do they want to do? We know, big offensive line,
run the football. Arizona can't stop the run. You just
run right over them. They don't have a run defense
at all.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
This feels to me like one of these spots where
Hardball's like, all right, we want to control the ball
for thirty eight minutes. We want JK. Dobbins with twenty
seven carries.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Vidal the guy mentioned this week he's gonna get another ten.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I just be careful.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
This Chargers team is very obvious and predictable. But when
they get rolling.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
I mean, you saw what they did to Denver. It
was just like we're running the football.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
They have no wide receivers that are I don't think
it matters hardball's got that much of a good machine going.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Again.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I don't have any money on this game, and I
know you have a lust from your boy Kyler Murray.
We'll see he's gonna be afraid of one of the
voses breathing down his neck, perhaps assuming botha plays.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You don't like, Kyl No, I mean I used to.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
And then you know, I I heard some stuff. I
got somebody who's working in the organization, and.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
I'm off, all right, all right?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
A lot of stuff going on today.
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Speaker 1 (33:48):
As Oh Lions Vikings we only get the best games.
We've made a new corporate decision. We're only taking the
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the new rule here, So listen. It is easy. One
of the things I try not to do. One of
the mantras of this show that I appreciate in sports
is take a big swing. So I don't think Devonte
(34:08):
Adams is going to change the season, but it's a swing,
and I appreciate big swings. And the reason I appreciate
big swings by my bosses or corporate entities or sports
teams is because most people in life don't take big swings.
They sit on the sidelines and they rip you if
it fails. So hiring Jim Harbaugh at Michigan, dude got
(34:30):
to a Super Bowl. That was a big swing by Michigan.
So I'm rooting for it.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm fought Lincoln Riley to USC that's a big swing.
That is a big swing. I'm rooting for it. Everybody
sits on the sidelines and bangs on the decisions when
they don't work. But the only way to separate from
everybody else in society is big swings. As somebody once
told me, you can't save your way to wealth. I
put money away every month. You can be content you're
(34:57):
not getting wealthy. You want to get wealthy. A swing,
and you're gonna fail on about fifty percent of them.
So I would draft a quarterback every other year, not
in the first round. But so Jerry Jones, one of
the things that's been shocking to me is they didn't
make a move at the at last year in free agency.
I'm like, Jerry, you're an oil man. Take a swing.
(35:20):
Go get Derrick Henry. Figure it out. Move pieces. He's
eight million bucks. He didn't. I was that was my thing.
Go get Derrick Henry. Your running back rooms terrible. You wouldn't.
And here Jerry said this week, you know I'm gonna
stand pat when you watch this team play. They're the
worst three and three team in the league. They're getting
shelled at home. And so he had a combative radio
(35:44):
interview this week in Dallas. But this is the one
thing I did kind of appreciate.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I'm not afraid to night you see, and I live
with anything that we're talking about as far as criticism
about those see. What I'm gonna worry about is what
you see and paying out, and I'll posy what you've
got a lot of wheat and why they don't. And
you've got a lot of teams up here looking around
at some of the defeat and they've made over the
(36:11):
last fight years. Just called everybody else is making bad
defat It doesn't mean that you're making a bad debate.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You say you don't go into it.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
We can go into this.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'm saying what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Don't tell me what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, Jerry's much more successful than you know, ninety nine
point nine percent of the people in Dallas, and he
is because he's he's He's gone for it a lot.
My issue with Jerry is he seeks comfort. This is
one of the criticisms I've had with Aaron Rodgers. He
wants to get his buddy and Alan Lazard and dude
(36:45):
don't seek comfort like go seek production. DeVante Adams is
both he's comfort and production. But at least I get production.
With Alan Lazard, there's limitations congrats on the hail Mary,
But with Jerry, it's like, Jerry, your whole history is
taken swing and so not making any moves and convincing yourself.
This is the roster. It's like, I mean, I don't
(37:05):
even like the roster going forward because of what you're
paying Dak. That's not Matt Stafford, that's not Josh Allen.
You can't. You're paying him Max. So you got to
take some swings to make up for that contract. Ce
D Lamb, you pay him what you got to pay him.
I think a big swing would be to move mi
Caah Parsons. That's a big swing. Move Micah Parsons. You'd
(37:26):
get a first round pick. You'll have two first round
picks next year, and then go fix the offense. There's
that running back at Boise State. Go get them, you know,
go go get another receiver in the first round. Dallas
needs to take a swing. I'd get two first round picks.
I'd go get a star back. I'd go get a
star receiver opposite of CD Lamb elevate. If you're paying
(37:48):
Dak that kind of money, you've got to make sure
Dak works right. Like it's like anything else. If you
pay a lot of money for a home, you better
get it insured. If you're paying that kind of money
for Dak, who's a bat plus guy, and you want
to make it, you got to get him a left tackle.
They just drafted one. You gotta sign ceed Lamb. They
just got him. You gotta go get a star backed.
I thought it was Derreck Henry. They said, no, go
(38:09):
draft one, the Boise State kid. Pick him. Everybody's like,
I don't like first round running backs. Dallas needs a
running back. But anytime you make a huge investment in something,
you gotta make sure it works.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It'd be like spending money on a quarterback and then
having a bad offensive line. It's buying a mansion and
not having an insurance you once you invest in something
like dak and I think it's more than you should pay.
I don't get what Miami does. They want to pay
two of the offensive line's bad. He's a small quarterback
that gets hurt. I'll have a bad secondary. I can't
(38:45):
have a bad line. My investment's too great in Tua.
Get rid of your corners, get tackles. So that's the
thing about Jerry. I like that he takes big swings.
I'm a fan of that, but it's just standing pat
for the last year. Make moves. I'd move Micah, get
another first round pick, and then I would take anything
(39:08):
that helps Dak in the first round. Worry about your
defense later, get help for Dak.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
There you go, J Mack Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, is
going to be stopping by biggest Dodger and met game
of the year. Obviously they're tied at one. Was a
Walker Bueler going for the Dodgers. This's gonna be big.
This is intense, big game.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
But can I quickly go back? Did you just say
the Cowboy should draft a first round running back? The
kid genty from and that's a take.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
They have to get Dak help pan Dak sixty million,
and then saying ceedee Lamb and ham An Eggett. They
got the tackle from Oklahoma. He'll get better, hopefully. Now
go get a running back and go get another weapon.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Go get a running back. That is I mean, I
hear you. The run game is otherways.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Take Uan Barkley first round back, Zeke first round back,
Adrian Peterson first round back. Seems like when you draft him,
they're pretty good.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Those teams well, I don't know if ap the other
teams moved off their running back though after the first
five years.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I need to be good now I don't need to
be good in six years. I've got to be good
for Dak's contract.
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