October 18, 2024 • 39 mins
Another dominant win by the Dodgers taking a commanding 3-1 lead in the NLCS and Colin shares the most impressive part of their run through the playoff so far
The Saints were simply out coached by the Broncos last night
Thoughts on Troy Aikman's critical comments about the Cowboys season
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is a Friday, and
we are ready to roll blazing five of a winning
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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jamac had
a lot of stuff moving last night. Dramatic loss to
the Yankees, no drama in the Dodgers, Sean Payton's homecoming. Wow,
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that wasn't competitive. That guy can coach. Are you ready
for a Friday show?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I think we called that Denver. This is giving out
money on the show. I am Denver with a layup, folks,
hope you got it?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Did well? Let's start with this. You do not need
to be a baseball savant to see that the Dodgers
have really, really great players and the Mets with maybe
one exception have good players. This series is over, well,
not officially, it will be today. It is a complete
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and utter talent mismatch nine eight nothing, ten to two.
They were doing it last night without Freddie Freeman. No
Biggie Hey, Mooky Betts go get four hits. The Dodgers
scored ten runs last night and still left twelve runners on.
The Mets are struggling to get them out. It's the
Avengers against the romantic comedy. It's not the same economy.
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The Dodgers last six playoff games thirty one plus thirty
one run differential. And again that's without an entire starting
rotation on the shelf and an entire bullpen on the shelf.
But the Dodgers are also a great reminder and a
great life lesson for sports and life. Even the most talented,
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even the biggest payroll, will have obstacles to overcome. I mean,
Tom Brady severed his throwing hand before a playoff game.
Michael Jordan, the flu game, Patrick Mahomes back to back
Super Bowls with a kind of weak wide receiver corps.
Even the greats have obstacles, but they overcome them. That's
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why they're the greats. The Dodgers are a classic example.
Forget all the pitching injuries. They lost their shortstop against
the Podres another injury, so they take their center field
or Tommy Edmonds, Hey can you go play short Yeah
you bet. He's hitting four to twelve. And then they
have Key k Hernandez, who was on the playoff roster.
They said, hey, can you go play center field? Okay,
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I'll do that. He's hitting three point fifty three. Everything
is working their trades, work their minor league system, calling
up the occasional player, works injuries. They're fine. I mean
Key k Hernandez was not even really scheduled to play
much in the playoffs, and he now has fifteen postseason
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home runs. That's one. I think that's one behind Aaron Judge. Okay,
So I mean, good luck to the Yankees, the Mets.
It's it's over. They't they can't compete. Oh I forgot
Max Muncy. He's gotten on base twelve consecutive at bats.
I mean, this is nothing the Mets can do about it.
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Francisco Lindor, great player, and a bunch of good players.
I mean the backups for the Dodgers, guys that were
on the playoff roster not scheduled to play. Are hitting
three point fifty center fielders moved as short, you think
they'd be a bit distracted. Now I'll hit, I'll hit
four to twelve with a bunch of RBIs. Here's Dave
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Roberts after.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I love the way that our guys haven't let off
the gas. We don't want to give these guys any momentum.
And we feel good. We got some momentum, and we
got to continue to come out, you know, with some
intent tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, three to one lead one of their races going today,
it feels like it's over. So the Denver Broncos hammered
the Saints in New Orleans thirty three to ten. It
didn't even feel that close. And this was Sean Payton,
who years and years and years ago, two thousand and six,
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Sean Payton took over a team that was so bad
in New Orleans they were called the Aints. Fans were
like garbage bags over their head. You saw it for
years and years and years. And Sean Payton first year,
he didn't have all the dead cap money, but he
squeezed every OmpT of talent out of that team got
him to the playoffs double digit winning team. This is
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what the great coaches do, and Sean Payton's one of them. Now,
the Denver Broncos are not a great roster. Vegas had
him at five and a half wins. I said, I
think they're seven or eight just because of Sean Payton's coaching.
He will squeeze every bit of juice and pulp out
of this orange. So when you go on the road
like this, like the Broncos did on a short week
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with a rookie quarterback that didn't play well and win
by three touchdowns, that's coaching. Dennis Allen maybe the worst
coach in the league. Sean Payton once again takes a
dead franchise Broncos were a dead franchise and has squeezed
every ounce of talent out of them. And again, an
offensive coach. We've been done this now for multiple years.
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This is why I would always prefer to get an
offensive coach. I've seen Andy Reid do this twice. I've
seen Sean McVay do this, and now I've seen Sean
Payton do this. This offensive line when he took it
over was a bit of a mess. Just after last
year they were twelve. I'm watching that Bronco O line
this year guard center guard. It feels like a top
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three or four in the league at least guard center guard.
They are running the football. Last night was a great example.
They come out with bow knicks. Bo Nick's mechanics are
all messed up. That was always a concern. He didn't
have a big arm, very mobile, smart kid. His mechanics
aren't great. He tends to run more than he should.
He's very athletic, but his feet and his mechanics are
a mess. Right now. Sean Payton very clearly early says, Yeah,
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this thing is gonna work. We're gonna shorten the routes,
We're gonna run the football. And that's exactly what they did.
And remember where Sean Peyton learned all these tricks. Who
is his mentor? Bill Parcells? Urban Meyer in college and
Bill Parcells in the NFL are the great quick rebuilders.
Urban did it Bowling Green and Utah and Florida and
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Ohio State like one year, awful to good. Bill Parcells
did it multiple times in his career. Bill Parr sells
he was the mentor for Sean Payton. So Shawn is
much better than most coaches when it comes to personnel
and the drafts very good at it. A lot of
coaches aren't a lot of coaches aren't good at that.
Like Andy Reid just I'm not going to do that,
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And he could be good at it, didn't want to
do it. Play design, play creation, play calling, that's what
he does. Spags you new defense, Brett Vitch, you do
the drafting. Sean Payton can get his hands dirty a
little bit in the personnel and he's good at it.
But I mean bo Nix was not playing well. And
nobody turns a mess around quicker. And I want to
tell you how big of a mess Denver is. They
still have seventy eight million dollars in dead cap money
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this year. They will still be paying Russell Wilson thirty
two million dollars next year into a disaster job. And
yet they're at four wins Vegas Adam at five and
a half. I thought it was seven or eight. So
what this and I mean this is as bad as
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it gets financially. What's ironic is the Saints now are
in cap hell for the next several years. Too bad
they can't hire Sean Payton back. But if you look
at Denver, right Now they got some games, and there's
gonna be games like at Baltimore, at Kansas City they're
going to lose, but they've got to Carolina, Atlanta at home, Raiders,
Cleveland Colts at home. They're gonna end up winning seven
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or eight games. And it's gonna be one of the
great coaching jobs in the league. It really is. I know,
Coach of the Year goes to somebody within twelve, thirteen,
fourteen games, give it to John Harbor or Andy Reid. Now,
But what Sean Payton is doing. I mean, remember Vegas
had two teams at five, five and a half wins,
Carolina and Denver. Denver's already got on the road, thrashed
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the Saints, beaten Aaron Rodgers on the road, and I
see at least five more potential do ws. They're not
gonna go to Baltimore and beat the Ravens. That thing's
gonna get ugly. They're not gonna go to Kansas City
and beat Mahomes. I don't know if it'll be ugly.
That's a tough that's a tough w to grab. But
here's Sean Payton on a dominating homecoming win against his
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former team. He rebuilt.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I was proud of our players. You know, they just
a short played well and it's not often you get
to do something like this, and uh yeah, I think
it was more at the end where I felt the emotion.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, that that was. That was a coaching mismatch. The
Dodgers match is a talent mismatch. And the Broncos in
the Saints, that was a coaching mismatch. One hour from
now Blazing five, former Bronco Emmanuel Sanders stops by. We
love having him on the show, j Mac. That Yankee
Yankee game, Oh my, but you know what, New York's
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gonna win. They're gonna win the series. But it was
a magical moment.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Eh.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, I'll just say this. The baseball postseason like the drama.
The It just popped off the television seeing that home run,
the guy chucks the bat.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Listen, I'm not a Guardians fan at all.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm a Yankees fan. It was one of like you
got goosebumps when you watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Of course, just like oh my, you didn't have to
be a Cubs fan to get the Cub World Series, right,
You didn't have to be a fan to understand that.
I mean, you didn't have to be a college football
fan to see the journey horribad been on for years
getting beat by Ohio State and the Connor Stallion stuff
and the controversy and go, wow, this feels like this
is goosebumps for Jim Harbord Michigan football last night for
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the Guardians. The American League Central historically does not do
well against the Yankees and their big payroll, but that
was a magical moment. You'll talk about that coming up.
Plus Troy Aikman. You know, when a former Cowboy great
calls the Cowboys lazy, Mike McCarthy's in trouble. We'll talk
about that next.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, when the cowboy legends like a Michael Irvin and
a Troy Aikman start going public with their criticisms of
the Dallas Cowboys, I don't I don't see them doing
that a lot, But when they do it, and they
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both do it in the same week, it's beyond a
message to Mike McCarthy, it's the end of his employment
in the February here is Troy Aikman talking about what
he sees with the Dallas Cowboy wide receivers this year.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes and and I've thought that beyond this year,
and I think Ceed's got to improve in his route running.
And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where guys
are going to be consistently, it's hard. It's hard to
play the position. I see guys lazy coming off the
line of scrimmage. Sometimes they sometimes they run. Usually if
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they do, it's because they're anticipating they're going to get
the football in that play. But if they're not, they don't,
and it all ties together, and so I'm not impressed
with that part of it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So there are a couple of teams in the NFL
that when I watch them on TV, I think they
look really sloppy. Jacksonville one, Dallas two. Route running is
exactly what Troy Aikman's talking about. And it's interesting because
the Cowboys brand themselves as luxury. They play in a stadium,
the taj Mahal or maybe the taj Y'awl. They pay
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the quarterback and wide receiver, top of the league. They're
practice facilities, the very very best, the owner dropping in
in the personal helicopter into the practice field. Yet all
the details stink. Penalties a Mike McCarthy staple among the
most in the league, turnovers, second most in the league,
red zone, terribly inefficient, third worst in the league, route running.
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As Troyitman called it, lazy. You know you're going to
an expensive restaurant. You don't want the meal to be
cold when you get it. They're all about marquis not
about really elite management. And everything's bigger in Texas except
the Cowboys. They've gotten very small, very quickly. And you
just think about this. They can no longer compete at
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home with the better teams Green Bay, Detroit, Baltimore. I
mean they couldn't compete at home when the Saints were healthy.
Like that's a problem. So Jerry Jones can get on
local radio and bang on the hosts all he wants.
But when Troy Aikman calls you lazy, and when Michael
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Irvin this week calls you soft, Mike McCarthy's career is over.
It's not official. It's like the Dodgers Met Series it's over.
It's just not official. It will be probably later this afternoon.
But you know, Jerry owns the team. It could all
be his fault. He owns the team. So when five
seasons Mike McCarthy one playoff win, so it's over. And
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again when you have the bigger Aikman and Irvin going
out and willing to say this publicly in the same week,
the messaging's pretty clear. Mike's out. Jerry wants him out.
Make the landing soft, but they can't compete at home
and lazy receiver routes. That's on coaching. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
News this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know who's not a lazy receiver running lazy routes.
A'mari Cooper Colin. He's going to Buffalo GM Brandon Bean
very excited about what Coop can bring to Buffalo. As
the team continues to bolster its roster, Josh Allen will
be the big beneficiary of the Amari trade. He spoke
about his new white out for the first time. All Right,
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we don't have to sound very excited for him. Josh
Allen said, I've been a big fan of his for
a very long time. Very smart, detailed and the way
he runs his routes. Yes, I think he can help
us a lot. Now it's unclear if he's going to
play this weekend. They don't need him against the Titans.
He saw the lines like eight and a half, nine,
nine and a half. Now we're seeing them this queen.
It just feels like this is a bigger move than
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Devonte Adams. I think you could make a case that
he means more because Buffalo's closer to the Super Bowl
bubble than the Jets are.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I mean it's it's like a better version of
Juju Smith Schuster back to Kansas City. It's like Juju
will get you six targets in a big game, Amaro
will get you eight. And it's also because if you
start looking at Kincaid, young tight end, rookie, wide receiver,
slot receiver's fairly young, so you're bringing in and James
Cook hadn't been around for that long. So what you're
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looking at is a is a fairly young skill group
and you bring in a seasoned veteran, an absolute pro,
and you're good he'll he'll be a ten target guy
within two weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And there are a lot of people online I know
there's some metrics out there saying.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Cooper was the worst receiver in the league this season.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay, do you do a lot of drops, but also
think about this. So Cleveland plays Cincinnati this week where
Amaro Cooper just left. Cleveland has like nineteen guys on
the injured list. Bengals have two. Why because the Bengals
have to win and guys are They're not telling the
coaches they're hurt. They're playing through it. Cleveland, that's a
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sinking ship. Guys have a little my hips a little sore.
Hey man, I may not be able to practice this week.
Amari Cooper was in a horribly toxic situation. No fault
of Kevin Stefanski. But when you start seeing one team
with nineteen injuries and one team with a couple, that
tells you everybody in this league is hurt. Nobody's healthy Now,
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Cincinnati guys are like, play through the pain. I was
getting him out of Cleveland. He'll be a different player
in a winning culture and a great organization in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Remember what was it was it Randy Moss who was
in a bad spot and then the Patriots grabb him
and all of a sudden, he's the best receiver in
NFL history. Where was he putting up huge numbers? I
can see Cooper having a massive leap Jacob, I do wonder.
So I think you can make a case the AFC
is kind of sort of wide open, like Kansas City.
He's in the top tier, but I think Buffalo and
Baltimore are right there. I think Houston's right there, and
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I do believe this move helps Buffalo elevate them into like, Okay,
this is a real like. I think you can make
a case that they're probably as good as they've been
since they've been in this I.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Think it's the most diverse their offense has been. They've
got a slot receiver, a veteran receiver, a rookie receiver,
two good tight ends, a real running back. Oh lines
played pretty well. I mean they've had Josh Allen and
Dawkins that left tackle, that part's been good, and Dawson
Knox that part's been good for a long time. But
they've drafted well. It's again, this is a very quietly
a very good front office that doesn't miss on a
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lot of draft picks. Almost everybody they draft works, and
so you know, Buffalo, you don't have to have a
trophy for me to respect you, like Baltimore doesn't have one.
Well run Buffalo doesn't have one really well run. People
in Kansas City respect Buffalo and Baltimore front office and
their business acumen. So I just think it's a smart
move by a smart organization.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Honestly, you know, I'm a Jets fan. I've never rooted
for the Bills at all. I did think Jim Kelly
was cool and Derman Thomas and Andre.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I like those guys. They were good.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But if it's Bills Chiefs in the AFC title game,
I am all in on the Bills.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I'll be rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I think they'll be They will be absolutely America's favorite.
I think America wants to see Buffalo win.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
How many failures have they had?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And they had failures great teams, the Jim Kelly teams
at Hall of Famers, Yeah, stacked.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Next up, this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Brandon Ayuk had that drama filled off season, but he
did get his one hundred and twenty million dollar extension
before the season. Since the deal, Ayuk has struggled big time.
Still hasn't scored a touchdown Colin. His numbers are pedestrian
at best. A Yuk's performance so far has Steve Young
wondering whether or not Kyle Shanahan is punishing his star receiver.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Do you ever just wonder about Kyle a little bit
that I feel like he puts people in the corner
with the dunch cap on sometime, you know what I mean,
and put their note. You know, people used to put
their note like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In the old days.
Speaker 9 (18:59):
They they put your nose in the corner. But it
feels like the plays that are called, there's a combination
of such that puts people in a position to go
thrive and uh and I think Brandon needs to demand
it in that way, right And I think that's what
Kyle responds to, is a demand of it, like I've
done the work, I'm ready for this, Give me the
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fricking ball now.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, Thankfully, in the NFL, coaches gms have some control
over players unlike the NBA. And if you're gonna hold
out for a championship level team, don't be surprised if
you are privately punished a little. You get into the
way of the momentum, we get into the way of
your production, and they're still winning despite that. This is
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not the NBA where the player completely controls the coach
on down. Brandon Aiyuk decided in the biggest year, like
we talked about everybody's getting old with the Niners, Kittle,
Christian Trent, everybody's getting old. So this is the last
great year potentially, And he held out. And I get
Shanahan saying, Okay, you're not gonna be at practice. We're
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gonna build this offense without you. We will insert you later,
but we're in no hurry to do it. And so
I think I think they want to use him. But
let's like, dude, we're here for six weeks busting our
butt at practice, getting dinged up. We're gonna build this
offense without you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So sometimes you know these former quarterbacks Boomerosiyas and Steve Young,
they just want to fire.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Off hot takes. Now, come on, I think he's overthinking
it here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Colin Listen Sanchez told us this story about two receivers
on the Jets, both fighting for a contract, both had
awesome years. One gets the contract and what happened the
next season. I'm not gonna name the player. You don't
have to do too much homework. He's just like last guy,
to the facility, first guy to leave, not running the
routes hard. Do you think some of that's at play
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with Brandon ayukir Hey.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I got the bag.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, and now all of a sudden he's not getting open,
he's barely getting druggets?
Speaker 10 (20:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Brandon Ayuka? The Niners would give nine.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think most pro athletes in my lifetime, ninety five
percent of pro athletes, when you give them the bag.
I'm talking pro football players, they work harder.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Well, okay, time out, time out, probably ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now do wide receivers, well, I'll say this again, there
are diva wide receives. But when Amari Cooper got the bag,
he didn't stop playing hard. Justin Jefferson hasn't stopped playing hard.
I will tell you if football I know a lot
of football players.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Wait, no, neither of those guys held out for like
an off season and we're like jam stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
On their on their social media and all the you know, we.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Did do that very verbal, the no, you're wrong, very verbal.
Justin Jefferson made it clear.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Some stuff, But that was not nearly as ugly A
Yuk's was like three months long.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Colin, remember the summer we were doing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
This story three times a week.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I will say, in my experience, professional football players, when
they get the bag, feel a responsibility to go kick butt.
They take care of their moms, you know, they take
care of their family, and they're like, I got I'm secure,
now let's go get work done. There's a camaraderie in
that bubble. That's my experience with football players, because this
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is this is a little bit of a man of brothers.
Because everybody's hurt all the time. I mean outside of
kickers and sometimes kickers, everybody in the NFL. By week six,
everybody is going home in pain taking an ibuprofen or twelve.
That's the league. So it bans everybody together. It sinches
everybody together, and I think I want the looks. I
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think that's a little bit of punishment, and I'll go
back to it. Shanahan saying, dude, we have to build
an offense. We hope you come back, and when you do,
we will slowly insert you in it. But we're going
to build this offense without you, and it's working well.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All I can say is you had the career year. Yeah,
last year all pros unbelievable numbers. Gets his contract, and
now this year he looks like a middling receiver. By
the way, Ricky piersall back at practice, I'm sure you
saw that. Now Jennings is dinged up. It doesn't look
like he's gonna go. So maybe Ayuka RUPs against the
Chiefs here. I don't know whether put McDuffie maybe on Ayuk.
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Mcduffy's excellent.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Gonna be a great game.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's gonna be a phenomenal game. Final story, Colin, is
the crazy night in Cleveland. Yankees took a lead late
in Game three, Aaron judge At a two run bomb
and then Stanton going back to back.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
At this point, I'm going crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It was awesome, okay, Yankees up four to three, and
then I Judge get another to make it five to
three in the top of the night. But with two
outs in the bottom of the night, two outs, a
man whose name I will not try to pronounce, but
they know him as Big Christmas starting an unreal comeback.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Colin, I am a one old pitch.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Deep time Holmes.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
His writing here, it comes.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Head high, hit deep times. That is so great.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
David Fry with the walk off home run call.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know what I love that this happened in Cleveland.
I mean it is cool. I mean I said, when
I watched the Padres at home or the Mets win
a big game, we have a very anxiety riven ridden
October November. That was a great moment in the history
of Cleveland sports.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
This is like probably the best moment in Cleveland sports
since Lebron did something with the Cleveland I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I saw a piece of video. Somebody shot it from
a mile away. They shot the stadium, and they on
their phone and they just said, listen to the video,
and you could hear the crowd. It's like it's hum
it's loud, it's loud, and all of a sudden you
just hear this eruption and fireworks start shooting in the
air in Cleveland, Ohio. Cool. It was awesome. We saw
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the autsin stadium last week, the same kind of thing
when those games are at home and you upset the
favorite Ohio state of the Yankees. Great American space.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now, Yankees did have a fairly memorable collapse against the
Red Sox.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Hopefully this won't now.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think they're better, as I do too.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's a bummer we don't have this stanton call because
that one was awesome when the Yanks, but when they
went back to back you're like, wrap it up, baby,
series that we got this, and no you don't.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, we have some disturbing data for jamac that should
come with a Surgeon General warning for all the Mahomes
isn't Mahomes talk this season? I looked it up this morning.
There's some details here. Fourth quarter passer rating for Mahomes
one twenty two. Third down passer rating for Mahomes one
oh one. He's excellent when it counts. As the Chiefs
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travel to Santa Clara where they're four to zero against
kai El Shanahan. Mahomes this year is actually the opposite
of Seattle Seahawks quarterback Gino Smith, who leads the NFL
in passing yards a game. Yet Gino is a bad
fourth quarter passer rating guy eighty three and a bad
third down quarterback fifty nine passer rating. So again, Gino
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is great when it doesn't matter. With great wide receiver talent,
Mahomes is doing patchwork stuff again on the outside. Yes,
he's got six interceptions and only six touchdowns. But if
you look at the Mahomes interceptions, many are on first
and second down, And what does that tell you? He
is taking risks even though he may not trust his
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wide receiving corps, or as Greg Cosell told us yesterday,
he may not trust the offensive line. He has taking
risks and big swings, okay, And that's the difference between
a great quarterback. Talent and a great quarterback take some risks.
The great ones take risks, and even the great talent
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quarterbacks take risks, but the truly great are great when
it matters. And Mahomes passer rating in the fourth quarter
elite and Mahomes on third down elite. So that's the
difference in all these quarterbacks. Winner you get great. Gino's
putting up big numbers, but it's a lot of fools.
Gold Patrick is money. Mahomes fourth quarter and on third down,
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even with a suboptimal wide receiving group. That's the difference.
Kyle Shanahan this week on facing a guy he can't
seem to beat.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
I think everyone says down the year just because their
numbers aren't just crazy, but I mean, pass as good
as it gets. He's been as good as it gets
since the first year that he got to play. You know,
all their games, I think except for one, have come
down to the last possession, and he's as good as
anyone in that last possession.
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Speaker 1 (28:28):
After Otani is incredible, Moki Bet Max Monday, Maximnsei, Keike, Hernandez.
They're just completely stacked. So I saw this quote. Remember, okay,
I want to I want to, I don't want to
sound I don't want to humble brag here. But ninety
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nine percent of the media, I won't tell you who
the one percent was, but ninety nine percent of the
media crapped on the Atlanta Falcons when they went and
paid Kirk Cousins. Not big money, paid him good money,
and then drafted Michael Pennox. Okay, I'll tell you who
the one percent was. I said, since one of the NFL,
(29:14):
is it a bad scene to have two capable quarterbacks
the future and the present? We guess talking about and
a lot of a lot of X front office people,
a lot of NFL experts bad Atlanta. Yeah, the Steelers
could have had Kirk Cousins. Nah, we're gonna roll with
(29:35):
Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. So I saw this quote.
There are a ton of people in Pittsburgh right now
that feel like Russell Wilson would limit them on offense
in a way that Justin Fields does not. That was
Albert Rier. Yeah, So what happens when you get a
situation like this and it feels like Mike Tomlin like
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promises were made to Russell Wilson. It feels like Mike
Tomlin is kind of usurping the power of Arthur Smith.
I don't know that, but it feels like it. Arthur
Smith already publicly back Justin Fields. He had a good
second half against the Colts. They're four and two, They're
not two and four. There's no reason to panic. But
it feel like. It feels like a promise was made
to Russell Wilson, and Mike Tomlin's a man of his word.
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So when you have two very so so quarterbacks, you
have a divided room, a divided staff, and divided decisions.
And again Kirk Cousins was available. Now I will give
Mike Tomlin a lot of credit. He moved off Kenny
Pickett very quickly, even though they got to the playoffs.
And the guy is trying since Big Ben left. It's
Mitch Trubisky, it's Mason Rudolph Fits, Russell Wilson, it's Justin Fields,
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it's Kenny Pickett. They're trying. Mike Tomlin's doing his job defensively.
They're trying. But it is interesting the Patriots in Steelers
since Brady and big Ben have left, every year it's
worse at quarterback. Those franchises are lost at sea. And
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you'll wonder why I defended the Atlanta Falcons, who lead
their division favored again at home this week. Kirk Cousins
now Michael Pennix for the future. And so this is
what happens when you have defensive cultures New England and Pittsburgh.
You lose a legendary quarterback. You just keep drafting quarterbacks
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and signing them. And Pittsburgh now has got two guys
and both have talent, both can move, one young, one old,
one has a brand, one doesn't. Both find people. But
now it feels like it's divided. And there are certain
things in the world. You should never go cheap on transportation,
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mattresses and quarterbacks. Just pay the money. I mean, if
you're struggling to get to work, you can't keep work.
If you're struggling to sleep on a bad mattress, you're
bad at work. Transportation mattresses, quarterbacks, spend the money now.
Don't pay a B quarterback a money. Kirk Cousins is
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a minus B plus and they're paying him a minus
B plus money. So I mean, you know this whole
thing with Russell Wilson and Justin Field swapping one for
the other. You're still going from twenty eight A to
twenty seven C on Southwest. You're not even in a
comfort section. And Kirk Cousins may not be in first class,
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but he's the first role of comfort. He can see
first class. Spend the money, don't go cheap. You just
gotta pay a little more. Have more urgency. This is
what got Ron Rivera fired in Washington. He had opportunities
to go get better quarterbacks. Nah, this will be fine.
Out of work, Like, spend the money on it, and
you don't have to spend Mahomes money, Kirk Cousins money.
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You can still go acquire peeple. They spend money on
Kirk Cousins had enough money to go get Matthew Judon
and a safety from the Broncos. They still had money,
I mean Baker Mayfield. They spent the money. They still
have money to go get acquisite, I mean Kirk Cousins.
They needed an edge rusher, they went and got matt Junon.
They needed a safety, they went to the Broncos. Here's
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here's Russell Wilson on prepping to start more myself.
Speaker 11 (33:22):
Uh phits good be on a run and all that stuff.
So I feel good. It's been a great week so far.
I think every time you step into the white lines,
you're you're proving something. You're you're proven and who your
team is as a group. You know who we are
as a team. That's that's the focal point.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, there they're four and two, not two and four,
So that's good. Uh here's the other thing. So for
the last forever, I didn't know if Lamar Jackson first
year in the league, I didn't know if it was
gonna work. He ran around way too much. Now he
was good at it, but he ran around too much,
and eventually you have to win from the pocket. But
at the last three or four years, I've spent three
or four years defending him. He's good from the pocket.
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I don't know what you guys are watching. In fact,
this year, last two years, he's better this year than
last year. His MVP year. The kid is. The kid
is just fantastic, and he does two things that the
great quarterbacks almost all do. He wins about seventy five
percent of his games, and he always says the right thing.
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And he was asked about winning another MVP, and listen,
he does this so well. Listen to what Lamar said.
Speaker 10 (34:30):
I really don't care about the height. I'm not frona
dwell long MVP trophy or anything like that. I never have,
you know, even when I wanted, I never like dwelled
on it. It was about me just trying to win each
and every game. I'm man, and same thing from now
you know. I'm still trying to win these games to
get to February and win the February perfect.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I said, Baker Mayfield is actually talented, but he kept
starting fires, not putting him out. You're never gonna hear
Lamar Jackson call going out publicly Zay Flowers because he
ran the wrong route, unlike a guy in New York
being really good and being really humble. It's really important
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for a quarterback. Eli Manning in New York would not
talk after wins, always made him say self available to
the New York Press after losses. Smart guy. And what's
great about Lamar He's only twenty seven years old, which
is crazy. It feels like he's been in the league forever,
and with all these god given gifts, he could be
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a little peacocky. He is one of one. There's nobody
like him in the league, and there's been nobody like
him maybe Michael Vick alittle ever. And he could have
an ego and he didn't have to be humble. I mean,
go to Twitter three minutes, look around. I mean that
guys struggle being humble. This kid has God given gifts
and it's all about team. It's all about us. It's
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all about we. I don't. I mean again, I didn't
know if it was going to work. First, to admit
my first year, I'm I don't know. I don't know
if this gonna work. But I feel like I spent
the last four years. He's literally everything I want. Athletic,
good from the pocket, humble, hard working, mostly available, total
team guy, incredible work ethic, locker room loves him. He
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feels like not all quarterbacks feel like this. He feels
like the soul of arguably the second best run franchise
in the league outside of Kansas City. And I say
that simply because Kansas City keeps winning the final game
of the season. He is the soul of that franchise.
To me, completely impossible not to root for. Lamar Jackson,
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J Mack Blazing five top of next Hour. And I've
got to be honest, I told you I thought this
was either the first or second best week potentially for picks.
I think there's some I think we're starting to we
saw it last night. The longer a season goes, coaching
and quarterback play, which we know are crucial, become more important.
(37:04):
Why Because what happens is bad coaches or mediocre coaches
lose locker rooms, right, they start losing games, they start
losing locker rooms. Mike McCarthy feels like Dallas kind of
quips last night in New Orleans. I know they have injuries.
This team's not galvanized. So I looked at Denver last
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night and I'm like, that wasn't just a roster win.
That was really a coaching win. You start looking over
these games now. There's a handful of games every week
where you have two good quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
C J.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Stroud against Jordan Love. That to me, that's a stayaway game.
I'm gonna watch that game. I really like both teams.
I think both teams feel a little young to win
a Super Bowl. Both Houston and Green Bay have super
Bowl talent. They're really young at quarterback, really young wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
You have a lean either way in that game, my Lee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I mean as a gambler, I say, CJ. Stroud getting
a field goal. But I told you three weeks ago
I thought Green Bay was going they were going to
go on a heater. Yeah, and so there is a
little advantage. The weather in the North up this week
at Chicago is going to be gorgeous. There's really good weather.
So it's you're not this. You get late October, generally
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you're like, all right, it's forty two degrees indoor team
in Houston going north. The weather's not a factor.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Little little nugget. Check the surfaces the Texans have played
on this year. This might be their first outdoor game.
No fast track for Houston this weekend. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I think I don't have.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
A strong conviction on that game. It's a really good game.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Anytime you give me a great quarterback and a field goal,
I like it. So my gut is Houston's the side
I can't bet against Green Bay. I think there's Hey,
you have some.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Kind of affinity for Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Listen, I was late to the game. I was late
to the party. It's fine. You were early on that
one night.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Well, I was. I was like Lamar the first year.
I had real questions. But at some.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Point you can't football.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You can't dig your feet in. You have to watch
the games. And if you're one of these people that
just wants to be right instead of getting it right,
then you're just gonna double down. Like Lamar, I'm like,
I don't know if this works started middle of a second year.
I'm like, it not only works, it's unbelievable. Jordan Love
first six games, I'm like, that doesn't work. Week sixteen,
I'm like, no, only works. It looks like a modern farm.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, Lamar, I'm sorry, I just get the playoff.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Every time you start saying all this awesome stuff. Yes,
it's all true, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
It's great.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Can he do it in January when it matters most.
That's all I want to know about Lamar. I know
he's a great regular season quarterback. Can he deliver in January? Yeah,
you're sure because he has not?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, I am sure hasn't been proven. I'm sure there's
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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Jamac had
a lot of stuff moving last night. Dramatic loss to
the Yankees, no drama in the Dodgers, Sean Payton's homecoming. Wow,
(00:51):
that wasn't competitive. That guy can coach. Are you ready
for a Friday show?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I think we called that Denver. This is giving out
money on the show. I am Denver with a layup, folks,
hope you got it?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Did well? Let's start with this. You do not need
to be a baseball savant to see that the Dodgers
have really, really great players and the Mets with maybe
one exception have good players. This series is over, well,
not officially, it will be today. It is a complete
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and utter talent mismatch nine eight nothing, ten to two.
They were doing it last night without Freddie Freeman. No
Biggie Hey, Mooky Betts go get four hits. The Dodgers
scored ten runs last night and still left twelve runners on.
The Mets are struggling to get them out. It's the
Avengers against the romantic comedy. It's not the same economy.
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The Dodgers last six playoff games thirty one plus thirty
one run differential. And again that's without an entire starting
rotation on the shelf and an entire bullpen on the shelf.
But the Dodgers are also a great reminder and a
great life lesson for sports and life. Even the most talented,
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even the biggest payroll, will have obstacles to overcome. I mean,
Tom Brady severed his throwing hand before a playoff game.
Michael Jordan, the flu game, Patrick Mahomes back to back
Super Bowls with a kind of weak wide receiver corps.
Even the greats have obstacles, but they overcome them. That's
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why they're the greats. The Dodgers are a classic example.
Forget all the pitching injuries. They lost their shortstop against
the Podres another injury, so they take their center field
or Tommy Edmonds, Hey can you go play short Yeah
you bet. He's hitting four to twelve. And then they
have Key k Hernandez, who was on the playoff roster.
They said, hey, can you go play center field? Okay,
(02:55):
I'll do that. He's hitting three point fifty three. Everything
is working their trades, work their minor league system, calling
up the occasional player, works injuries. They're fine. I mean
Key k Hernandez was not even really scheduled to play
much in the playoffs, and he now has fifteen postseason
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home runs. That's one. I think that's one behind Aaron Judge. Okay,
So I mean, good luck to the Yankees, the Mets.
It's it's over. They't they can't compete. Oh I forgot
Max Muncy. He's gotten on base twelve consecutive at bats.
I mean, this is nothing the Mets can do about it.
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Francisco Lindor, great player, and a bunch of good players.
I mean the backups for the Dodgers, guys that were
on the playoff roster not scheduled to play. Are hitting
three point fifty center fielders moved as short, you think
they'd be a bit distracted. Now I'll hit, I'll hit
four to twelve with a bunch of RBIs. Here's Dave
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Roberts after.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I love the way that our guys haven't let off
the gas. We don't want to give these guys any momentum.
And we feel good. We got some momentum, and we
got to continue to come out, you know, with some
intent tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, three to one lead one of their races going today,
it feels like it's over. So the Denver Broncos hammered
the Saints in New Orleans thirty three to ten. It
didn't even feel that close. And this was Sean Payton,
who years and years and years ago, two thousand and six,
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Sean Payton took over a team that was so bad
in New Orleans they were called the Aints. Fans were
like garbage bags over their head. You saw it for
years and years and years. And Sean Payton first year,
he didn't have all the dead cap money, but he
squeezed every OmpT of talent out of that team got
him to the playoffs double digit winning team. This is
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what the great coaches do, and Sean Payton's one of them. Now,
the Denver Broncos are not a great roster. Vegas had
him at five and a half wins. I said, I
think they're seven or eight just because of Sean Payton's coaching.
He will squeeze every bit of juice and pulp out
of this orange. So when you go on the road
like this, like the Broncos did on a short week
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with a rookie quarterback that didn't play well and win
by three touchdowns, that's coaching. Dennis Allen maybe the worst
coach in the league. Sean Payton once again takes a
dead franchise Broncos were a dead franchise and has squeezed
every ounce of talent out of them. And again, an
offensive coach. We've been done this now for multiple years.
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This is why I would always prefer to get an
offensive coach. I've seen Andy Reid do this twice. I've
seen Sean McVay do this, and now I've seen Sean
Payton do this. This offensive line when he took it
over was a bit of a mess. Just after last
year they were twelve. I'm watching that Bronco O line
this year guard center guard. It feels like a top
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three or four in the league at least guard center guard.
They are running the football. Last night was a great example.
They come out with bow knicks. Bo Nick's mechanics are
all messed up. That was always a concern. He didn't
have a big arm, very mobile, smart kid. His mechanics
aren't great. He tends to run more than he should.
He's very athletic, but his feet and his mechanics are
a mess. Right now. Sean Payton very clearly early says, Yeah,
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this thing is gonna work. We're gonna shorten the routes,
We're gonna run the football. And that's exactly what they did.
And remember where Sean Peyton learned all these tricks. Who
is his mentor? Bill Parcells? Urban Meyer in college and
Bill Parcells in the NFL are the great quick rebuilders.
Urban did it Bowling Green and Utah and Florida and
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Ohio State like one year, awful to good. Bill Parcells
did it multiple times in his career. Bill Parr sells
he was the mentor for Sean Payton. So Shawn is
much better than most coaches when it comes to personnel
and the drafts very good at it. A lot of
coaches aren't a lot of coaches aren't good at that.
Like Andy Reid just I'm not going to do that,
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And he could be good at it, didn't want to
do it. Play design, play creation, play calling, that's what
he does. Spags you new defense, Brett Vitch, you do
the drafting. Sean Payton can get his hands dirty a
little bit in the personnel and he's good at it.
But I mean bo Nix was not playing well. And
nobody turns a mess around quicker. And I want to
tell you how big of a mess Denver is. They
still have seventy eight million dollars in dead cap money
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this year. They will still be paying Russell Wilson thirty
two million dollars next year into a disaster job. And
yet they're at four wins Vegas Adam at five and
a half. I thought it was seven or eight. So
what this and I mean this is as bad as
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it gets financially. What's ironic is the Saints now are
in cap hell for the next several years. Too bad
they can't hire Sean Payton back. But if you look
at Denver, right Now they got some games, and there's
gonna be games like at Baltimore, at Kansas City they're
going to lose, but they've got to Carolina, Atlanta at home, Raiders,
Cleveland Colts at home. They're gonna end up winning seven
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or eight games. And it's gonna be one of the
great coaching jobs in the league. It really is. I know,
Coach of the Year goes to somebody within twelve, thirteen,
fourteen games, give it to John Harbor or Andy Reid. Now,
But what Sean Payton is doing. I mean, remember Vegas
had two teams at five, five and a half wins,
Carolina and Denver. Denver's already got on the road, thrashed
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the Saints, beaten Aaron Rodgers on the road, and I
see at least five more potential do ws. They're not
gonna go to Baltimore and beat the Ravens. That thing's
gonna get ugly. They're not gonna go to Kansas City
and beat Mahomes. I don't know if it'll be ugly.
That's a tough that's a tough w to grab. But
here's Sean Payton on a dominating homecoming win against his
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former team. He rebuilt.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I was proud of our players. You know, they just
a short played well and it's not often you get
to do something like this, and uh yeah, I think
it was more at the end where I felt the emotion.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, that that was. That was a coaching mismatch. The
Dodgers match is a talent mismatch. And the Broncos in
the Saints, that was a coaching mismatch. One hour from
now Blazing five, former Bronco Emmanuel Sanders stops by. We
love having him on the show, j Mac. That Yankee
Yankee game, Oh my, but you know what, New York's
(09:37):
gonna win. They're gonna win the series. But it was
a magical moment.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Eh.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, I'll just say this. The baseball postseason like the drama.
The It just popped off the television seeing that home run,
the guy chucks the bat.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Listen, I'm not a Guardians fan at all.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm a Yankees fan. It was one of like you
got goosebumps when you watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Of course, just like oh my, you didn't have to
be a Cubs fan to get the Cub World Series, right,
You didn't have to be a fan to understand that.
I mean, you didn't have to be a college football
fan to see the journey horribad been on for years
getting beat by Ohio State and the Connor Stallion stuff
and the controversy and go, wow, this feels like this
is goosebumps for Jim Harbord Michigan football last night for
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the Guardians. The American League Central historically does not do
well against the Yankees and their big payroll, but that
was a magical moment. You'll talk about that coming up.
Plus Troy Aikman. You know, when a former Cowboy great
calls the Cowboys lazy, Mike McCarthy's in trouble. We'll talk
about that next.
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, when the cowboy legends like a Michael Irvin and
a Troy Aikman start going public with their criticisms of
the Dallas Cowboys, I don't I don't see them doing
that a lot, But when they do it, and they
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both do it in the same week, it's beyond a
message to Mike McCarthy, it's the end of his employment
in the February here is Troy Aikman talking about what
he sees with the Dallas Cowboy wide receivers this year.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes and and I've thought that beyond this year,
and I think Ceed's got to improve in his route running.
And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where guys
are going to be consistently, it's hard. It's hard to
play the position. I see guys lazy coming off the
line of scrimmage. Sometimes they sometimes they run. Usually if
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they do, it's because they're anticipating they're going to get
the football in that play. But if they're not, they don't,
and it all ties together, and so I'm not impressed
with that part of it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So there are a couple of teams in the NFL
that when I watch them on TV, I think they
look really sloppy. Jacksonville one, Dallas two. Route running is
exactly what Troy Aikman's talking about. And it's interesting because
the Cowboys brand themselves as luxury. They play in a stadium,
the taj Mahal or maybe the taj Y'awl. They pay
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the quarterback and wide receiver, top of the league. They're
practice facilities, the very very best, the owner dropping in
in the personal helicopter into the practice field. Yet all
the details stink. Penalties a Mike McCarthy staple among the
most in the league, turnovers, second most in the league,
red zone, terribly inefficient, third worst in the league, route running.
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As Troyitman called it, lazy. You know you're going to
an expensive restaurant. You don't want the meal to be
cold when you get it. They're all about marquis not
about really elite management. And everything's bigger in Texas except
the Cowboys. They've gotten very small, very quickly. And you
just think about this. They can no longer compete at
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home with the better teams Green Bay, Detroit, Baltimore. I
mean they couldn't compete at home when the Saints were healthy.
Like that's a problem. So Jerry Jones can get on
local radio and bang on the hosts all he wants.
But when Troy Aikman calls you lazy, and when Michael
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Irvin this week calls you soft, Mike McCarthy's career is over.
It's not official. It's like the Dodgers Met Series it's over.
It's just not official. It will be probably later this afternoon.
But you know, Jerry owns the team. It could all
be his fault. He owns the team. So when five
seasons Mike McCarthy one playoff win, so it's over. And
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again when you have the bigger Aikman and Irvin going
out and willing to say this publicly in the same week,
the messaging's pretty clear. Mike's out. Jerry wants him out.
Make the landing soft, but they can't compete at home
and lazy receiver routes. That's on coaching. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
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Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know who's not a lazy receiver running lazy routes.
A'mari Cooper Colin. He's going to Buffalo GM Brandon Bean
very excited about what Coop can bring to Buffalo. As
the team continues to bolster its roster, Josh Allen will
be the big beneficiary of the Amari trade. He spoke
about his new white out for the first time. All Right,
(14:42):
we don't have to sound very excited for him. Josh
Allen said, I've been a big fan of his for
a very long time. Very smart, detailed and the way
he runs his routes. Yes, I think he can help
us a lot. Now it's unclear if he's going to
play this weekend. They don't need him against the Titans.
He saw the lines like eight and a half, nine,
nine and a half. Now we're seeing them this queen.
It just feels like this is a bigger move than
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Devonte Adams. I think you could make a case that
he means more because Buffalo's closer to the Super Bowl
bubble than the Jets are.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I mean it's it's like a better version of
Juju Smith Schuster back to Kansas City. It's like Juju
will get you six targets in a big game, Amaro
will get you eight. And it's also because if you
start looking at Kincaid, young tight end, rookie, wide receiver,
slot receiver's fairly young, so you're bringing in and James
Cook hadn't been around for that long. So what you're
(15:31):
looking at is a is a fairly young skill group
and you bring in a seasoned veteran, an absolute pro,
and you're good he'll he'll be a ten target guy
within two weeks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And there are a lot of people online I know
there's some metrics out there saying.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Cooper was the worst receiver in the league this season.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay, do you do a lot of drops, but also
think about this. So Cleveland plays Cincinnati this week where
Amaro Cooper just left. Cleveland has like nineteen guys on
the injured list. Bengals have two. Why because the Bengals
have to win and guys are They're not telling the
coaches they're hurt. They're playing through it. Cleveland, that's a
(16:10):
sinking ship. Guys have a little my hips a little sore.
Hey man, I may not be able to practice this week.
Amari Cooper was in a horribly toxic situation. No fault
of Kevin Stefanski. But when you start seeing one team
with nineteen injuries and one team with a couple, that
tells you everybody in this league is hurt. Nobody's healthy Now,
(16:32):
Cincinnati guys are like, play through the pain. I was
getting him out of Cleveland. He'll be a different player
in a winning culture and a great organization in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Remember what was it was it Randy Moss who was
in a bad spot and then the Patriots grabb him
and all of a sudden, he's the best receiver in
NFL history. Where was he putting up huge numbers? I
can see Cooper having a massive leap Jacob, I do wonder.
So I think you can make a case the AFC
is kind of sort of wide open, like Kansas City.
He's in the top tier, but I think Buffalo and
Baltimore are right there. I think Houston's right there, and
(17:05):
I do believe this move helps Buffalo elevate them into like, Okay,
this is a real like. I think you can make
a case that they're probably as good as they've been
since they've been in this I.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Think it's the most diverse their offense has been. They've
got a slot receiver, a veteran receiver, a rookie receiver,
two good tight ends, a real running back. Oh lines
played pretty well. I mean they've had Josh Allen and
Dawkins that left tackle, that part's been good, and Dawson
Knox that part's been good for a long time. But
they've drafted well. It's again, this is a very quietly
a very good front office that doesn't miss on a
(17:37):
lot of draft picks. Almost everybody they draft works, and
so you know, Buffalo, you don't have to have a
trophy for me to respect you, like Baltimore doesn't have one.
Well run Buffalo doesn't have one really well run. People
in Kansas City respect Buffalo and Baltimore front office and
their business acumen. So I just think it's a smart
move by a smart organization.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Honestly, you know, I'm a Jets fan. I've never rooted
for the Bills at all. I did think Jim Kelly
was cool and Derman Thomas and Andre.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I like those guys. They were good.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
But if it's Bills Chiefs in the AFC title game,
I am all in on the Bills.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I'll be rooting for them.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I think they'll be They will be absolutely America's favorite.
I think America wants to see Buffalo win.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
How many failures have they had?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
And they had failures great teams, the Jim Kelly teams
at Hall of Famers, Yeah, stacked.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Next up, this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Brandon Ayuk had that drama filled off season, but he
did get his one hundred and twenty million dollar extension
before the season. Since the deal, Ayuk has struggled big time.
Still hasn't scored a touchdown Colin. His numbers are pedestrian
at best. A Yuk's performance so far has Steve Young
wondering whether or not Kyle Shanahan is punishing his star receiver.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
Do you ever just wonder about Kyle a little bit
that I feel like he puts people in the corner
with the dunch cap on sometime, you know what I mean,
and put their note. You know, people used to put
their note like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In the old days.
Speaker 9 (18:59):
They they put your nose in the corner. But it
feels like the plays that are called, there's a combination
of such that puts people in a position to go
thrive and uh and I think Brandon needs to demand
it in that way, right And I think that's what
Kyle responds to, is a demand of it, like I've
done the work, I'm ready for this, Give me the
(19:20):
fricking ball now.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, Thankfully, in the NFL, coaches gms have some control
over players unlike the NBA. And if you're gonna hold
out for a championship level team, don't be surprised if
you are privately punished a little. You get into the
way of the momentum, we get into the way of
your production, and they're still winning despite that. This is
(19:44):
not the NBA where the player completely controls the coach
on down. Brandon Aiyuk decided in the biggest year, like
we talked about everybody's getting old with the Niners, Kittle,
Christian Trent, everybody's getting old. So this is the last
great year potentially, And he held out. And I get
Shanahan saying, Okay, you're not gonna be at practice. We're
(20:07):
gonna build this offense without you. We will insert you later,
but we're in no hurry to do it. And so
I think I think they want to use him. But
let's like, dude, we're here for six weeks busting our
butt at practice, getting dinged up. We're gonna build this
offense without you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So sometimes you know these former quarterbacks Boomerosiyas and Steve Young,
they just want to fire.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Off hot takes. Now, come on, I think he's overthinking
it here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Colin Listen Sanchez told us this story about two receivers
on the Jets, both fighting for a contract, both had
awesome years. One gets the contract and what happened the
next season. I'm not gonna name the player. You don't
have to do too much homework. He's just like last guy,
to the facility, first guy to leave, not running the
routes hard. Do you think some of that's at play
(20:51):
with Brandon ayukir Hey.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
I got the bag.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, and now all of a sudden he's not getting open,
he's barely getting druggets?
Speaker 10 (20:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Brandon Ayuka? The Niners would give nine.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think most pro athletes in my lifetime, ninety five
percent of pro athletes, when you give them the bag.
I'm talking pro football players, they work harder.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Well, okay, time out, time out, probably ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now do wide receivers, well, I'll say this again, there
are diva wide receives. But when Amari Cooper got the bag,
he didn't stop playing hard. Justin Jefferson hasn't stopped playing hard.
I will tell you if football I know a lot
of football players.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Wait, no, neither of those guys held out for like
an off season and we're like jam stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
On their on their social media and all the you know, we.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Did do that very verbal, the no, you're wrong, very verbal.
Justin Jefferson made it clear.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Some stuff, But that was not nearly as ugly A
Yuk's was like three months long.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Colin, remember the summer we were doing.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
This story three times a week.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I will say, in my experience, professional football players, when
they get the bag, feel a responsibility to go kick butt.
They take care of their moms, you know, they take
care of their family, and they're like, I got I'm secure,
now let's go get work done. There's a camaraderie in
that bubble. That's my experience with football players, because this
(22:07):
is this is a little bit of a man of brothers.
Because everybody's hurt all the time. I mean outside of
kickers and sometimes kickers, everybody in the NFL. By week six,
everybody is going home in pain taking an ibuprofen or twelve.
That's the league. So it bans everybody together. It sinches
everybody together, and I think I want the looks. I
(22:28):
think that's a little bit of punishment, and I'll go
back to it. Shanahan saying, dude, we have to build
an offense. We hope you come back, and when you do,
we will slowly insert you in it. But we're going
to build this offense without you, and it's working well.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All I can say is you had the career year. Yeah,
last year all pros unbelievable numbers. Gets his contract, and
now this year he looks like a middling receiver. By
the way, Ricky piersall back at practice, I'm sure you
saw that. Now Jennings is dinged up. It doesn't look
like he's gonna go. So maybe Ayuka RUPs against the
Chiefs here. I don't know whether put McDuffie maybe on Ayuk.
(23:07):
Mcduffy's excellent.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Gonna be a great game.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's gonna be a phenomenal game. Final story, Colin, is
the crazy night in Cleveland. Yankees took a lead late
in Game three, Aaron judge At a two run bomb
and then Stanton going back to back.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
At this point, I'm going crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It was awesome, okay, Yankees up four to three, and
then I Judge get another to make it five to
three in the top of the night. But with two
outs in the bottom of the night, two outs, a
man whose name I will not try to pronounce, but
they know him as Big Christmas starting an unreal comeback.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Colin, I am a one old pitch.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Deep time Holmes.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
His writing here, it comes.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Head high, hit deep times. That is so great.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
David Fry with the walk off home run call.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know what I love that this happened in Cleveland.
I mean it is cool. I mean I said, when
I watched the Padres at home or the Mets win
a big game, we have a very anxiety riven ridden
October November. That was a great moment in the history
of Cleveland sports.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
This is like probably the best moment in Cleveland sports
since Lebron did something with the Cleveland I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I saw a piece of video. Somebody shot it from
a mile away. They shot the stadium, and they on
their phone and they just said, listen to the video,
and you could hear the crowd. It's like it's hum
it's loud, it's loud, and all of a sudden you
just hear this eruption and fireworks start shooting in the
air in Cleveland, Ohio. Cool. It was awesome. We saw
(24:56):
the autsin stadium last week, the same kind of thing
when those games are at home and you upset the
favorite Ohio state of the Yankees. Great American space.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Now, Yankees did have a fairly memorable collapse against the
Red Sox.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Hopefully this won't now.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think they're better, as I do too.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's a bummer we don't have this stanton call because
that one was awesome when the Yanks, but when they
went back to back you're like, wrap it up, baby,
series that we got this, and no you don't.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, we have some disturbing data for jamac that should
come with a Surgeon General warning for all the Mahomes
isn't Mahomes talk this season? I looked it up this morning.
There's some details here. Fourth quarter passer rating for Mahomes
one twenty two. Third down passer rating for Mahomes one
oh one. He's excellent when it counts. As the Chiefs
(25:56):
travel to Santa Clara where they're four to zero against
kai El Shanahan. Mahomes this year is actually the opposite
of Seattle Seahawks quarterback Gino Smith, who leads the NFL
in passing yards a game. Yet Gino is a bad
fourth quarter passer rating guy eighty three and a bad
third down quarterback fifty nine passer rating. So again, Gino
(26:22):
is great when it doesn't matter. With great wide receiver talent,
Mahomes is doing patchwork stuff again on the outside. Yes,
he's got six interceptions and only six touchdowns. But if
you look at the Mahomes interceptions, many are on first
and second down, And what does that tell you? He
is taking risks even though he may not trust his
(26:43):
wide receiving corps, or as Greg Cosell told us yesterday,
he may not trust the offensive line. He has taking
risks and big swings, okay, And that's the difference between
a great quarterback. Talent and a great quarterback take some risks.
The great ones take risks, and even the great talent
(27:05):
quarterbacks take risks, but the truly great are great when
it matters. And Mahomes passer rating in the fourth quarter
elite and Mahomes on third down elite. So that's the
difference in all these quarterbacks. Winner you get great. Gino's
putting up big numbers, but it's a lot of fools.
Gold Patrick is money. Mahomes fourth quarter and on third down,
(27:32):
even with a suboptimal wide receiving group. That's the difference.
Kyle Shanahan this week on facing a guy he can't
seem to beat.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
I think everyone says down the year just because their
numbers aren't just crazy, but I mean, pass as good
as it gets. He's been as good as it gets
since the first year that he got to play. You know,
all their games, I think except for one, have come
down to the last possession, and he's as good as
anyone in that last possession.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, he is disturbing. Data presented to j Mac now
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Speaker 1 (28:28):
After Otani is incredible, Moki Bet Max Monday, Maximnsei, Keike, Hernandez.
They're just completely stacked. So I saw this quote. Remember, okay,
I want to I want to, I don't want to
sound I don't want to humble brag here. But ninety
(28:50):
nine percent of the media, I won't tell you who
the one percent was, but ninety nine percent of the
media crapped on the Atlanta Falcons when they went and
paid Kirk Cousins. Not big money, paid him good money,
and then drafted Michael Pennox. Okay, I'll tell you who
the one percent was. I said, since one of the NFL,
(29:14):
is it a bad scene to have two capable quarterbacks
the future and the present? We guess talking about and
a lot of a lot of X front office people,
a lot of NFL experts bad Atlanta. Yeah, the Steelers
could have had Kirk Cousins. Nah, we're gonna roll with
(29:35):
Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. So I saw this quote.
There are a ton of people in Pittsburgh right now
that feel like Russell Wilson would limit them on offense
in a way that Justin Fields does not. That was
Albert Rier. Yeah, So what happens when you get a
situation like this and it feels like Mike Tomlin like
(29:58):
promises were made to Russell Wilson. It feels like Mike
Tomlin is kind of usurping the power of Arthur Smith.
I don't know that, but it feels like it. Arthur
Smith already publicly back Justin Fields. He had a good
second half against the Colts. They're four and two, They're
not two and four. There's no reason to panic. But
it feel like. It feels like a promise was made
to Russell Wilson, and Mike Tomlin's a man of his word.
(30:21):
So when you have two very so so quarterbacks, you
have a divided room, a divided staff, and divided decisions.
And again Kirk Cousins was available. Now I will give
Mike Tomlin a lot of credit. He moved off Kenny
Pickett very quickly, even though they got to the playoffs.
And the guy is trying since Big Ben left. It's
Mitch Trubisky, it's Mason Rudolph Fits, Russell Wilson, it's Justin Fields,
(30:42):
it's Kenny Pickett. They're trying. Mike Tomlin's doing his job defensively.
They're trying. But it is interesting the Patriots in Steelers
since Brady and big Ben have left, every year it's
worse at quarterback. Those franchises are lost at sea. And
(31:06):
you'll wonder why I defended the Atlanta Falcons, who lead
their division favored again at home this week. Kirk Cousins
now Michael Pennix for the future. And so this is
what happens when you have defensive cultures New England and Pittsburgh.
You lose a legendary quarterback. You just keep drafting quarterbacks
(31:27):
and signing them. And Pittsburgh now has got two guys
and both have talent, both can move, one young, one old,
one has a brand, one doesn't. Both find people. But
now it feels like it's divided. And there are certain
things in the world. You should never go cheap on transportation,
(31:48):
mattresses and quarterbacks. Just pay the money. I mean, if
you're struggling to get to work, you can't keep work.
If you're struggling to sleep on a bad mattress, you're
bad at work. Transportation mattresses, quarterbacks, spend the money now.
Don't pay a B quarterback a money. Kirk Cousins is
(32:11):
a minus B plus and they're paying him a minus
B plus money. So I mean, you know this whole
thing with Russell Wilson and Justin Field swapping one for
the other. You're still going from twenty eight A to
twenty seven C on Southwest. You're not even in a
comfort section. And Kirk Cousins may not be in first class,
(32:32):
but he's the first role of comfort. He can see
first class. Spend the money, don't go cheap. You just
gotta pay a little more. Have more urgency. This is
what got Ron Rivera fired in Washington. He had opportunities
to go get better quarterbacks. Nah, this will be fine.
Out of work, Like, spend the money on it, and
you don't have to spend Mahomes money, Kirk Cousins money.
(32:55):
You can still go acquire peeple. They spend money on
Kirk Cousins had enough money to go get Matthew Judon
and a safety from the Broncos. They still had money,
I mean Baker Mayfield. They spent the money. They still
have money to go get acquisite, I mean Kirk Cousins.
They needed an edge rusher, they went and got matt Junon.
They needed a safety, they went to the Broncos. Here's
(33:15):
here's Russell Wilson on prepping to start more myself.
Speaker 11 (33:22):
Uh phits good be on a run and all that stuff.
So I feel good. It's been a great week so far.
I think every time you step into the white lines,
you're you're proving something. You're you're proven and who your
team is as a group. You know who we are
as a team. That's that's the focal point.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, there they're four and two, not two and four,
So that's good. Uh here's the other thing. So for
the last forever, I didn't know if Lamar Jackson first
year in the league, I didn't know if it was
gonna work. He ran around way too much. Now he
was good at it, but he ran around too much,
and eventually you have to win from the pocket. But
at the last three or four years, I've spent three
or four years defending him. He's good from the pocket.
(33:56):
I don't know what you guys are watching. In fact,
this year, last two years, he's better this year than
last year. His MVP year. The kid is. The kid
is just fantastic, and he does two things that the
great quarterbacks almost all do. He wins about seventy five
percent of his games, and he always says the right thing.
(34:21):
And he was asked about winning another MVP, and listen,
he does this so well. Listen to what Lamar said.
Speaker 10 (34:30):
I really don't care about the height. I'm not frona
dwell long MVP trophy or anything like that. I never have,
you know, even when I wanted, I never like dwelled
on it. It was about me just trying to win each
and every game. I'm man, and same thing from now
you know. I'm still trying to win these games to
get to February and win the February perfect.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I said, Baker Mayfield is actually talented, but he kept
starting fires, not putting him out. You're never gonna hear
Lamar Jackson call going out publicly Zay Flowers because he
ran the wrong route, unlike a guy in New York
being really good and being really humble. It's really important
(35:11):
for a quarterback. Eli Manning in New York would not
talk after wins, always made him say self available to
the New York Press after losses. Smart guy. And what's
great about Lamar He's only twenty seven years old, which
is crazy. It feels like he's been in the league forever,
and with all these god given gifts, he could be
(35:32):
a little peacocky. He is one of one. There's nobody
like him in the league, and there's been nobody like
him maybe Michael Vick alittle ever. And he could have
an ego and he didn't have to be humble. I mean,
go to Twitter three minutes, look around. I mean that
guys struggle being humble. This kid has God given gifts
and it's all about team. It's all about us. It's
(35:55):
all about we. I don't. I mean again, I didn't
know if it was going to work. First, to admit
my first year, I'm I don't know. I don't know
if this gonna work. But I feel like I spent
the last four years. He's literally everything I want. Athletic,
good from the pocket, humble, hard working, mostly available, total
team guy, incredible work ethic, locker room loves him. He
(36:19):
feels like not all quarterbacks feel like this. He feels
like the soul of arguably the second best run franchise
in the league outside of Kansas City. And I say
that simply because Kansas City keeps winning the final game
of the season. He is the soul of that franchise.
To me, completely impossible not to root for. Lamar Jackson,
(36:41):
J Mack Blazing five top of next Hour. And I've
got to be honest, I told you I thought this
was either the first or second best week potentially for picks.
I think there's some I think we're starting to we
saw it last night. The longer a season goes, coaching
and quarterback play, which we know are crucial, become more important.
(37:04):
Why Because what happens is bad coaches or mediocre coaches
lose locker rooms, right, they start losing games, they start
losing locker rooms. Mike McCarthy feels like Dallas kind of
quips last night in New Orleans. I know they have injuries.
This team's not galvanized. So I looked at Denver last
(37:26):
night and I'm like, that wasn't just a roster win.
That was really a coaching win. You start looking over
these games now. There's a handful of games every week
where you have two good quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
C J.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Stroud against Jordan Love. That to me, that's a stayaway game.
I'm gonna watch that game. I really like both teams.
I think both teams feel a little young to win
a Super Bowl. Both Houston and Green Bay have super
Bowl talent. They're really young at quarterback, really young wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
You have a lean either way in that game, my Lee.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I mean as a gambler, I say, CJ. Stroud getting
a field goal. But I told you three weeks ago
I thought Green Bay was going they were going to
go on a heater. Yeah, and so there is a
little advantage. The weather in the North up this week
at Chicago is going to be gorgeous. There's really good weather.
So it's you're not this. You get late October, generally
(38:20):
you're like, all right, it's forty two degrees indoor team
in Houston going north. The weather's not a factor.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Little little nugget. Check the surfaces the Texans have played
on this year. This might be their first outdoor game.
No fast track for Houston this weekend. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I think I don't have.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
A strong conviction on that game. It's a really good game.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Anytime you give me a great quarterback and a field goal,
I like it. So my gut is Houston's the side
I can't bet against Green Bay. I think there's Hey,
you have some.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Kind of affinity for Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Listen, I was late to the game. I was late
to the party. It's fine. You were early on that
one night.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Well, I was. I was like Lamar the first year.
I had real questions. But at some.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Point you can't football.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You can't dig your feet in. You have to watch
the games. And if you're one of these people that
just wants to be right instead of getting it right,
then you're just gonna double down. Like Lamar, I'm like,
I don't know if this works started middle of a second year.
I'm like, it not only works, it's unbelievable. Jordan Love
first six games, I'm like, that doesn't work. Week sixteen,
I'm like, no, only works. It looks like a modern farm.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, Lamar, I'm sorry, I just get the playoff.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Every time you start saying all this awesome stuff. Yes,
it's all true, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
It's great.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Can he do it in January when it matters most.
That's all I want to know about Lamar. I know
he's a great regular season quarterback. Can he deliver in January? Yeah,
you're sure because he has not?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, I am sure hasn't been proven. I'm sure there's
not bigfoot. Also,
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