John is back reacting to the Pittsburgh Steelers, led by journeyman QB Russell Wilson, defeating Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets in star WR Davante Adams’ debut. John breaks down how Russell Wilson, Najee Harris and the Steelers turned the tide after a shaky start against the New York Jets thin defense to win 37-15. Middlekauff salutes Mike Tomlin and the Steelers consistency across several years, and explains why the Steelers way, despite challenging, provides consistency other teams would kill for. After getting worked in the second half, Middlekauff wonders if Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets season is OFFICIALLY over after falling to a disappointing 2-5 on the season. After, John recaps the full Sunday slate of games and goes through the gamut of games. Plus, John wonders if the Indianapolis Colts have a problem at quarterback with second year playmaker Anthony Richardson, then dives into Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s ACL injury and the reaction from the Cleveland Browns fans and players in the aftermath.
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30:13 - Coaching in Washington and New England
39:49 - Watson gets hurt, the fans react
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What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff three Now podcast?
How are we doing? It is Sunday night and I
just watched the Steelers beat the crap out of the Jets.
We will dive into that because there's a lot going
on there. We have Woody Johnson playing GM, We got
Tomlin going to Russell Wilson. It looking rocky, to say
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the least at the start to turning into it look
like a genus move by the end of the game.
And yeah, just just a crazy game. I want to
dive deep into some games. Colin and I go after
every Sunday night game, or excuse me, every Sunday afternoon game.
So we went deep on the Chiefs Niner game, the
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Lions Minnesota game, the Eagle Giants game, and the Packer
Houston game. We talked a lot about those games, So
if you want to go back and hear my takes
on those, obviously we'll get into it too as the
week goes on, but I'm not going to discuss those
games here. So Colin and I talked about those. You
see it on YouTube or seed. On the podcast. I
do want to talk about Anthony richardson the Colt's Got
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a problem. I do want to talk about some things
I've seen with the Patriots and the Commanders when it
comes to coaching and young quarterbacks. I do want to
talk about Miles Garrett and some of his thoughts on
some of his thoughts on DeShawn Watson because he was
not happy be with people booing him. And I gotta say,
I understand where the fans are coming from. So that'll
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be the play of today, and we will have another
podcast out tomorrow reacting in the Monday Night football. There's
actually two Monday Night football games. I'm actually playing golf
tomorrow with Daniel Jeremiah, who you know NFL Network guy
that I worked with way back in the day with
the Eagles. Because he's here with the Chargers, he's there
he does radio for him and Matt Muney Smith, his
(03:26):
radio partner. We're playing tomorrow like seven am. He texts me,
He's like, I'm in town. I'm like, you're in town.
He's like, yeah, Monday Night Football. I'm like, I thought
it's Ravens. Thought it's Ravens Tampa. It's like, yeah, double header,
like double header, and it's not even a normal double header.
It's a late doubleheader. The games at six, the first
ones at five fifteen Pacific standard time. So we got
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a lot going on. These football games. Rogers just keep
throwing games at us, So we'll be reacting to the
games tomorrow, both of them Monday Night Football, and yeah,
we'll just keep rocking and rolling. We'll do some college
stuff come up on Wednesday. I'll record on Tuesday. Josh Pate,
who a lot of people fellow ball brother coming on
the show, will record with him on Tuesday. So we'll
(04:08):
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let's dive into the game. Just a big picture thought.
And it kind of hit me toward the end as
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the Steelers were kind of choking them out that it
reminded me a little bit of Saturday Night. So far,
the biggest college football game of the year when Georgia
went into Texas and kicked their ass. And this isn't
apples to apples because the Steelers were up against the
Ropes early on in that game. But the NFL's different
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than college. But over the course of the game, the
cream rose, the best team won and really the Steelers
dominated them in the second half. Is that culture matters,
Is that the ethos of your franchise, the direction of
you are being led by your head coach, by your organization,
by the beliefs that the emblem on the side of
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your helmet stands. For certain organizations, it means something. And
with the Pittsburgh Steelers at the end of that game,
Collins were said, He's like, it's crazy. We go to
so many practices and there isn't many practices, if any,
like the Steelers on a Friday or they go full
pads and they practice for two hours. And he's like,
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I asked, Tomlin, is it hard? Sometimes free agents people
talk they don't want to come because they want no
part of it. And Tomlin's like, yeah, we get guys
that will turn us down for that. And you know what,
they wouldn't want those guys because the Chiefs do the
same thing. If you can't handle the physicality of practice,
of the mental and physical toll that it takes being
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a member of this organization, don't come because you won't last.
But most importantly with the Steelers, and like a lot
of good organizations, the Ravens, the chiefs, their stability, there's
one vision with the Jets. This morning, Adam Schefter reported,
Hassan Reddick is coming back. His agents fired him, right,
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so he gets with Drew Rosenhouse, one of the great
deal makers in like the history of business, and he
got a deal done. And as Schefter reported, he's the
first guy to hold out in the last decade into
the season that got a rework deal. And so I
clicked on the article Schefter tweeted out and do you
know who was quoted in there the dealt with the
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deal was Drew Rosenhouse, who said he dealt directly with
Woody Johnson. Who do you think made the trade last
week for DeVante Adams. You think it was Joe Douglas,
who's clearly a dead man walking and will not be
the general manager of the team next year because his
deal's up and they haven't had any success. Of course,
not it was Woody Johnson. You can't function like that now, listen.
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I don't pretend to be right about everything wrong often
part of the gig. When Tomlin went to Russell Wilson, honestly,
when the rumor started last week, I didn't believe him.
I thought he was messing with the Jets. Fought it
all week, and then it was pretty clear when the
video went viral of George Pickens acknowledging that Russell Wilson
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was starting. I think that was on like you Thursday
afternoon or Friday. It really couldn't be denied. I was like, yeah,
maybe I was wrong, and then the game starts and
you're like, this is nuts. He's skipping balls. He looks atrocious,
like Mike Tomlin. Listen, anyone that's watching the baseball playoffs know,
or if you just like baseball. In the playoffs, sometimes
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you take a picture out for someone in the bullpen,
or you substitute a hit her for someone off the bench.
Sometimes that guy hits a home run or strikes out
the side and saves the game and you win. And
sometimes that guy grounds into a double play and your
season ends and you go home and the manager looks
like an idiot. But Mike Tomlin, when Russell Wilson starts,
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you don't have to go. Do you think it was
the Roonies? Do you think it was the new GM. No,
it was Mike Tomlin's decision. But whenever you go with
the Jets, you go what is going on? Who's making
these decisions? And the answer is, I don't know. Sometimes
it's the owner. Sometimes it's the forty year old quarterback
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who's nowhere near as good as he once was, even
though he's way better than anything they've had. There are
a team full of mercenaries. And going back to the
Georgia Texas game is the one thing that really stood
out to me is there's like a way of life
when you play football at Georgia. When we're playing, well,
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we're gonna try to destroy and hurt you physically, and
for most people that we play, we're able to impose
our will. And that's how the Steelers have all often played.
It's why when you close your eyes you think about
the Pittsburgh Steelers and they acknowledge the team from the
seventies to night. You think me and Joe Green, You
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think when I was a kid, Greg Lloyd and Kevin
Green to now TJ. Watt and Mika Fitzpatrick and High
Smith off the edge, and Cam Hayward in the middle
and now Joey Porter Junior, whose father also played there,
And it's kind of what they stand for and who
they are, and Mike Tomlin on the sideline. And as
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this game played out, you looked at the other side
and you're like, this is just a team full of
mercenaries hired guns. In baseball, that works sometimes, right, you
look at the teams in the World Series. I buy
or trade for Juan Soto, I trade for John Carlos Stanton,
I buy Shoho Tani, I buy whoever right, I trade
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for Mookie Betts. It's a plug and play sport. It
doesn't matter. Chemistries, as Billy Bean would tell you, relatively overrated,
and I would kind of agree. In football, it's not.
You can't just have DeVante Adams show up on Tuesday
or Wednesday, think everything's fixed tomorrow is san Reddick walks
into the building, come on in. You think he gives
a shit that they are two and five and they've
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been kind of embarrassed the last couple weeks. On Monday
and Sunday night football that their head coach was escorted
out of the building a couple weeks ago. Hell, no,
doesn't even know the guy, why would he care. So
when you get in these games, and at one point
tonight the game was really really close, and I'm thinking, like, god,
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but Jets might be able to pull this off right
around halftime when they were winning fifteen to thirteen. But
then as the game goes, you realize these guys barely
know each other one some of them aren't even that
good anymore. This guy's had a great career Tyron Smith
Hall of Fame level player. Stud No one that played
with them, that played against him, that knows the guy,
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never heard a negative tourst thing said about him publicly privately.
It's not any good anymore. Like that's part of sports,
right You sign these big names. It's like this ain't
twenty seventeen, and you just look at the Jets and
you're like, this ain't gonna work. You go to an
interim coach who's never been a head coach, who was listen,
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I really liked him when I was a kid, when
he was a player, and seems like an intense guy.
But now their defense sucks. I mean, their defense is
getting shredded these last two weeks. Why is that? Because
he can no longer just focus on the defense. He's
also got to be the head coach because that's his
new responsibility. You look over at the Steelers sideline. They've
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had three fucking head coaches in like what feels like
one hundred years, and there's a hierarchy Mike and then
on down and everyone answers to him, and we all
know what we're gonna get. Tonight actually was kind of
cool because they were in the red zone. They were
like the five yard line. Tomlin looks at Arthur Smith
and you could tell he was saying something to him,
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and even collins Or's like, I bet he's telling him
to run the ball. Turns out he was telling him
throw a fade to George Pickens. Didn't work, But clearly
that came from Tomlin. Why because he's the boss. This
is the knock on the Cowboys. You go, who's the boss? Well,
it's Jerry, but he's not coaching me. Can I just
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circumvent him and go talk to the owner even though
the defensive coordinator is telling me one thing? These were
famous stories forever about the Raiders that if you ever
wanted anything changed schematically play wise, you just go around
the coach because I have to go right to Al Davis.
That's what happens with the Cowboys. That's kind of what's
happening now with the Jets. And it's a problem. It
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does not work, and it definitely does not work when
your owner's Woody Johnson. And you saw to night an
organization that's buttoned up that wins. Now, they haven't won
a super Bowl in a long time, they haven't even
won a playoff game in a while, but they never
have a losing record, and now it looks like they're
headed toward one of their better seasons, you know, over
the last three or four years. Looks like they could
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get to eleven or twelve wins. Defense is really good,
they're tough, they just they have an identity. Now we'll
see this Russell Wilson justin fields thing. Clearly they're going
to go with Russell moving forward. But I just thought
that that was culture and organizations on full display tonight
and it was an eye opening experience. And listen, I
(14:25):
was wrong about Mike Tomlin, right, But that's why you
know you when you get the head coach right, which
is the reason he's had the job for a long time.
You got to make tough decisions, and it's a lot
easier to make suggestions than decisions. It's why so many
guys go from coordinator positions or position coaches to coordinators
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and become overwhelmed because I've always been thought I have
the ideas. I've always made these suggestions, but I've never
had been the one that have to make the decision.
That was a bold ass move, It really was. I
don't think any of us are alone that we thought
he was insane early in the game when balls were
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hitting the ground, not even remotely close to wide receivers. Meanwhile,
Rogers is kind of slinging it around like he's thirty four.
You're like, Mike, you are not going to be able
to beat Aaron Rodgers and now DeVante Adams in Breese Hall,
and he's thick in his head. Maybe this ain't going well.
Or let it play out, Let's take a deep breath.
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We're not going to overreact to every single play like
Woody Johnson up there in the box, and over the
course of the game, it was clear it was the
right decision. Russell Wilson can no longer really run right
justin Fields, who's a great athlete. That part of the
game is done. They have no running element with the quarterback.
But as collins Worth mentioned on the broadcast, spreading the
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ball down the on go routes and passes down the
sideline opens up the offense that had not existed with Field.
And one thing Russell has always done and everyone knows
this is throw a good go ball, throw a great
lollipop throw. And tonight it still feels like he's a
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little off. He's clearly nowhere near as good as he
once was, but he hit some of those passes. And
George Pickens was a major major factor tonight that he
had not become one or had become less and less
of one with Fields. And then when they were doing that,
it opened up the run game, and then they just
took complete control of the Jets, whose defense has got
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to be one of the more fraudulent units going. But
like the Steelers can't win the AFC with Russell Wilson
at quarterback, I think depending on the matchup, it would
be tough for them to win a playoff game. But
as the game played on, it was clear like, Okay,
I get it, even though Albert Rereer tweeted he like
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quoted one of Collins' tweets that was like, yeah, a
lot of people around Pittsburgh because I think and asked, like,
what did Russell look like? I said, practice, because if
he did, how'd you start him? And I just think
he went with his gut, And that's part of being
a leader. You got to make decisions where you don't
have all the information you go I just know what
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is not working, and this is not gonna be good.
When we play better teams, We're gonna need to be
a little more potent on offense in the passing game
because if you can explode, if you have explosive passes,
then they have to honor. It opens to the line
of scrimmage and you can run the ball a little
bit better, which is clearly what happened. Their passing game
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opened up the run game tonight. And listen, I'm not
Russell Wilson hater in the sense of he's one of
the most electric players I've ever seen live, and I
thought he was remarkable in the prime of his career,
but the guy he's become doesn't really resemble that guy anymore.
But he's better than justin fields as a passer. Not
really debatable in a half. And this is a guy
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who didn't play a game right all season long, missed
basically all of training camp, and was he benched the
last several games of the season when Sean Payton when
they didn't want to pay him the bonus. So props
to Mike Tomlin because sometimes, like sometimes in life, you
gotta rich shit right. Sometimes like yeah, things are going okay, Well,
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if you want to take the next step, you gotta
roll the dice. And sometimes, you know, you roll a
situation and it blows up in your face. That's part
of being the leader, it's part of being the head coach.
And sometimes you do it and you feel really good
about it. And now they probably even feel better about
their quarterback situation. The other thing they learned this week
is when the situation was playing out and clearly the
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players do it is that feels warn't like a ten
year vet, how mature he was. He didn't go, you know,
because early in training camp he believed I should be
the starting quarterback and then when he was asked Wednesday
or Thursday, he's straight upset. Like I could have done more,
would have been better. I wasn't good enough. It's like, damn,
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that was a really really impressive comment. And that goes
back to the culture thing, because what was he gonna say?
Cause that shit doesn't fly there. It's why when you
start acting like an idiot, unless you're Antonio Brown and
you're so damn good, that kind of got to deal
with you. But unless you're an elite All Pro player,
you kind of gotta either shape in or they kick
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you out right. And Field has been in that culture
and he's a high character guy, no problems to begin with.
But it was like, God, he just talks like a Steeler.
He just blends right in. George Pickens is the one
wild card, but again he's by far their best wide receiver.
And I just I think back to the Jets, man,
I you just you can't fake it in football. And
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I think when owners get involved, do you know who
the Jets really feel right now? Like right now a
little Dan Snyder mid two thousands Washington Redskins. That's kind
of the vibes thing get And I saw Gottlieb put
something out on social media and he said that I
think the Jets get an inordinate amount of coverage because
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such a large percentage of media. People grow up in
Long Island are inclined to work or root for the
Jets growing up, and I think there's probably some truth
to that. I would just put New York as a whole.
Even if you grew up a Giants fan, you still
watch so much of the Jets as a kid. They're
just part of who you are to your core. And
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I also think just we are inclined to talk about
the bigger markets in New York, but they get like
at the end of the day, the Cowboys are a
good example of like we talked too much. They go
to the playoffs a lot. They're in a ton of
big games that matter. The Jets simply are not. Now
this year's a little different because Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback,
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so they are a major conversation. But like they're a
lost or two away from no one gives a shit,
Like this is a joke, like this is an embarrassment,
and they get the Patriots next week, so they'll win
and be like everything's It's like that game couldn't mean
any less to me. It's irrelevant, It does not matter
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so they could win that game seventy five to nothing.
I don't want to hear one opinion coming out about it.
If you want to give some opinions about this game,
and you know, football wise, obviously, Davante opens a little
bit up for Garrett Wilson if you can get Breize
Hall a little involved. But their defense, their offenses isn't
that good. They scored fifteen points to Night, and the
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Steelers defense isn't exactly the nineteen seventy five version of
the steel Curtain. They scored twenty points last week, and
seven of them want to fucking hail Mary. So I
think we have to acknowledge a couple of things, right
because we deal with all these other teams, Like are
the Bills they have enough talent on defense, are explosive
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enough on offense? Yeah, it comes to the Jets site
they are gonna figure it out. No, they're not. They
can't score points. They struggle to block for Aaron Rodgers.
Their defense can't stop anyone who has any talent on offense.
Their head coach has literally never been a head coach
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up until like seven, I don't know, twelve days ago.
Their offensive coordinator has been run out of multiple places.
Their superstar quarterback is forty years old and no longer
looks remotely close to what he once does or did. Yes,
Breeze Hall and Garrett Wilson are really talented. Quinn Williams
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could play for my squad any day of the week.
But like Davante, just shows up gonna save the day.
That's how that worked for the Raiders. I love DeVante,
big fan Frisne State, go Dogs, but give me a break.
Hassan Reddick is just gonna show up. Let's go get
them guys. Bullshit, No, because all these teams, I watched
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the Chiefs take it to the forty nine ers. That
Chiefs unit now has been together for years, years, especially
the defense. They've been playing together for a long period
of time. They all know everything about each other, their families,
what they like to eat, what pisses them off, what
they think's funny. But they think how much time they've
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spent around each other, OTA's training camp, playoff games, super
Bowl trips. I'm talking years. It's like a sod Reddick
should really help the defense, he should. The fuck's he
been doing? Where's he been? Do you think he's really
been training hard? Because one thing I heard this morning
on one of the shows, or maybe I read some
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article that was like, now he's really sticking to his guns.
He believed in he believed he was getting screwed. So
if he believed he was getting screwed and he was
just fired by his agent, he probably thought they were
never going to change the contract. So are we to
believe that he has just been training his every love
and ass off wherever he was, because that would seem
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to be a little nuts to me. Now, he's a
really talented player, but you're just saying you just show
up October twenty first, and I expect you just have
a huge impact. It's like plug and play. When does
it ever work like that, unless, like you're a kicker.
So I just I'm just tired of talking about this
team because there were force fed them, because they play
(24:27):
all these primetime games because of Rogers and the way
just they always feel like a headline story, and then
you watch them play, you're like the production does not
outweigh like the importance that they feel on all of
our you know, football lives. And they are a loss.
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Obviously they're gonna be the Patriots. They lose the Texans like,
I'm sorry, we're gonna ban them up until they show
any signs of life. Now, if they win the next
two games, which the text are clearly leaking a little oil,
looked a little off today, all of a sudden, it'd
be like, you know, they're four and five. They got
a look at their schedule to get to ten wins,
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which I think they would have to do to make
the playoffs. Right, Steelers are gonna be in the playoffs. Obviously,
The Ravens are in the playoffs, so that's one division
winner and a wildcard team. Chiefs are in the playoffs.
You might want to google the Chargers schedule. They're winning
eleven plus, so that's another wildcard spot and a division winner.
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Bills are in, and the Texans are in. Listen, Cincinnati's
definitely not dead that there's gonna be another team. I
think if we look around and the Denver Broncos are
four and three, so I think they would have to
be almost this team's going eight and two. Cannot see it.
I can't, like, would I be shocked if the Steelers
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lost a couple games, of course not. But when you
build a five and two cushion, it's pretty easy to
get the ten wins because all you got to do
over the last ten games is go five and five.
Where Tomin gets a lot of credit for making this
move because it worked. Speaking of coaching, like, it really
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hit me this for some reason, I couldn't really sleep.
I get up probably at like six forty five in
the morning, the game had already started. Go out, make
some coffee, just kind of sit down, pour a big
Stanley and just watch the game for a little bit.
And at first you're like, God, well, the JAG's gonna
lose to the Patriots. And the answer was a hard no,
(26:38):
and the Jags ended up working them. And there was
a moment in that game late in the second half
when the Patriots were down nine points and they scored
a touchdown, or they scored a touchdown to make it nine,
so if they kick an extra point they would be
down eight, and Gerrod Mail went for two. He didn't
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get it. And then I'm watching today the kind of watching.
I mean, I had the game on a smaller TV,
the Commanders versus the Carolina Panthers, which was I don't
know the final score. If you told me to guess,
I'd guess fifty to three. They absolutely, I mean ruined them.
And that's with Jayden Daniels getting injured and missing a
(27:22):
large portion of the game and Marcus Mariota came in
and it looked exactly like Jayden Daniels. Think about last year.
The Bears are not your normal number one overall drafting team, right.
They got that pick from Carolina, But the second team
was Washington and the third team with the Patriots. Both
teams sucked. One team drafts Jaden Daniels, the other team
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draft Drake May. Now, in fairness, one team starts the guy.
The other guy goes with Jacobe Wessett for a little
bit and he sucks. But if you just watched the
two teams and even remove the records, right, you just go,
you know what Washington has going for him. I don't
think they're gonna probably win a playoff game. I'd still
bet against that because of the overall talent on their team.
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They have been winning against bad teams and you deserve
credit for that. We'll see as they played better teams.
But we saw him play the Ravens and it was
one sided. Though the Ravens are probably you know, right
there with the Chiefs the best teams in the league.
Think about the coaching for Washington, they got a real
head coach who you can nitpick him. In Atlanta, he took
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them to the Super Bowl. Then he became the Dallas
defensive coordinator and they had one of the best defense
in the league for like two and a half years.
They haired Kingsbury, who should be your head coach, but
he's an excellent coordinator. And you watch them play and
you just go, God, they're just well coached. Obviously, they
got a couple good players, and the rookie quarterbacks have
been fantastic, but they're not exactly rolling out superstars at
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all these positions. They're depending on a lot of young players,
and you just watch them, you go, God, they're doing
a really, really good job. And then you watch the
Patriots and you go, do these people have any clue
what they're doing? Like, are we sure that Drake May
is in safe hands? Obviously they're head coach who was
an impressive player team captain, so was Antonio Pierce. Look
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at the Raiders, they're a fucking joke. Dan Campbell was
a marginal backup. It doesn't matter how good you were
as a player, for being a coach. Look at Bill Belichick.
There's no way, in the prime of his career, at
whatever age you wanted to pick, he could have taken
one snap in Division one football, let alone in the NFL.
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So what you did as a player in the NFL
means nothing for what you're gonna be as a head coach.
And you watch the Patriots and you go, ay, listen,
I understand they don't have much talent. I'm not expecting
them to win many games, but can they ever do
impressive things? And then you watch the Commanders. I don't
think they have much talent, and I watch them every
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week and you go, they're making Marcus Mariota look good.
This is why Brian Daball went Coach of the Year
a couple of years ago, because you're like, who is
on this Giant's team? All of a sudden, they won
nine games and then won a playoff game, one of
the most remarkable coaching jobs I've ever seen. Coaching matters,
and when you hire people and you hire the wrong people,
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and you get guys that just are what feels like
in over their heads Antonio Pearson Droid Mail. Those guys
were stud players championship level players, team captains, heartbeat of
the team. But there's a big difference between doing that
with shoulder pads and a helmet on then being the
head coach of an NFL team week in week out.
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Like Dan Quinn. I doubt he ever could have taken
a snap in the NFL in training camp with a threes,
let alone in the regular season game. But he knows
what he's doing as a coach. Why, because they're two
completely different things. They don't parallel each other at all.
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So I just it's just crazy how much coaching matters.
Speaking of coaching, I think Shane Steichen's really good. He's
proven that over the years. He knows how to work
with quarterbacks. But I do think there are certain players
that if they have the best coaching possible, if they
had the most talent around them possible, they were on
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like dream teams, Pro Bowl rosters, they still wouldn't be
good enough. This stuff's really really hard, and there are
all types of really really competitive industries that certain human
beings just aren't talented enough and get weeded out, not
because they don't care, not because they don't have the
intellect to succeeds. There not because of the effort or
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the work ethic, just simply because whatever business, they don't
have the talent. You see this a lot in sports,
and you see this a lot in music, though with
technology you can fake it a little bit more in music,
but you definitely see it in pro sports because once
you get to the highest level, you get weeded out
if you're not good enough. And I'm watching Anthony Richardson
today going, I want to like this guy. Like everything
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I heard coming out people all my friends in the
scouting world that are on like the good teams that
were never going to draft them, really like them, they said.
Once you meet him at the combine, everyone was so
impressed with them. Obviously the physical gifts speak for themselves.
But he's a terrible football player right now today when
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you take Huntley who got injured in the game, and
Tim Boyle, who had one of the worst finishing passes
you'll ever see threw it out of bounds on fourth
down when fifteen of twenty six for one hundred and
fifteen yards, which I think if I just said Tyler Huntley,
Tim Boyle or your quarterbacks are going to play in
a game, it's going to be hard to be worse
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than that in any NFL game all season long. Anthony
Richardson went ten for twenty four for one hundred and
thirty yards in the same game. I don't believe the
stats are actually as bad as what I witnessed. Somehow
they won. They got very lucky to win. I thought,
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I understand why the culture playing him, they drafted him
forth overall, the only way he's going to improve, in
theory is to play through it. But there is a
chance that if you just keep rolling him out, he
will continue to be bad and he will never get better.
I think there is above a coin flip, well above
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a fifty to fifty chance. This is who he kind
of is. In fairness to Shane Sichin during this game,
he kind of acknowledged it and treated him like a
running back. And this is a guy who gets injured
all the time. And it was clear like if he
gets injured, so be it. We can't in some must
passing situations have him throw the ball. If they truly
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want to win on a weekly basis and try to
make the playoff, they would go with Joe Flacco. That
gives them the best chance to win if they just
keep rolling this out, which I like I said, I
understand they are just trying to make the guy that
they drafted really high work and they should just come
out and say that, which they won't because that's not
the way it works. But they don't need to because
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we all know it because if you keep they could
barely beat the Miami Dolphins, who without Tua tonguea Iiloa
is just easily one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Who played Snoop Huntley, who's you know, wasn't bad for
the Ravens, but you watch them day's pretty terrible, and
Tim Boyle, who's even worse, and they could barely win
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that game. I mean it was ten to ten going
down the stretch of the fourth quarter. That's an embarrassing win.
You thought the Eagles against the Browns was bad. This
is worse. This is worse. It really is. And I
think by the end of the season they might have
to acknowledge not the we picked the wrong guy because
they picked it knowing what they were getting into. A
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major project, a great unknown, we're swinging for the fences.
We're gonna try to coach him up. But this guy
might just be someone that you can't coach up. He's
just not accurate enough. He does not have the touch.
He just can't make the throws like every once in
a while. Tonight even Russell Wilson saw a couple of
nice little touch throws. Saw some bad ones, but he
also some good ones, like he has it in there.
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Obviously Rogers has it. Any starting quarterback for a long
period of time has to have some of that. No
one cares. You can't throw one hundred miles an hour
on every single pass, and that's what it feels like.
So Colts fans, it's wild ride sucks because you know, like,
would we have won this game like thirty to ten
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if Joe Flacco is playing And the answer is probably yes. Okay.
One of the big stories today was Deshaun Watson. I
was watching the game. He goes to, you know, playing
his foot. You immediately see that little Achilles boop over
obvious ripped Achilles carded off the field. Now, I got
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about all the games going on at one so I
can only listen to the volume on one game. So
in the morning slate, I was basically going back between
the Lions Vikings game and the Packer Houston game. Early on,
I went a little Eagles Giants, but as that game
got away, I didn't listen to that game, so it
was basically I just listened to two volume. Because I
can't listen to three volumes at once. I just listened
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to one volume, so I wasn't listening to anything. So
I see him get card off the field, the team
comes up, don't really think anything of it. As the
day goes on, everything starts going viral about how they
boot him off the field, like, yeah, not surprising, not surprising,
and then all the comments come out. Jamis went on, Jamis.
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If you watch Jamis's two minute, kind of like a
rant slash soliloquy slash diet tribe. I didn't even know
how to describe it. It feels like he's putting on
a skit or like acting, you know, like going to
one of those reads to try to be an actor
for a television show. That's what he feels like. He's
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he's really playing the character. But Miles Garrett, who was
just being Miles Garrett in the Price conference, was pretty
pissed off and he said a lot of things, and
one of the comments that he had was the Deshaun
has been a model citizen throughout his college career and
most he used the words not mine most of his
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professional career. It's hard not to laugh when he said
and most of his professional career. I just think this
because I think it's most players, and I will see
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the media takes. There are gonna be some that are
crushing the fans because they love to now well, I
think opinions is gonna be all of it, the map
on this, but I know this. There is not another
player in that game, on the Browns or on the Bengals.
Coaches sidelined people, the chain gang, any human that could
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have got a leg shattered, that could have popped, an achilles,
that could have been knocked out, that if they would
have gone off the field on a cart and given
a thumbs up, from Jamar Chase to Joe Burrow, to
the Bengals, you name it. There's not another human that
that crowd, like any crowd, would have given a standing
ovation to. But this fan base, they traded for this guy,
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and they gave a historic amount of money and he
was immediately suspended for eleven games for the massage therapists.
I think the numbers up to twenty eight total. So
we immediately get this car. I'm just putting myself in
a Browns fan shoes. We immediately get this quarterback who's
been good for the Texans that he's immediately suspended, and
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our owner and our front office fudge the contract because
we knew it was coming. We only paid him a
million bucks eleven games. We've seen guys get in trouble,
see guys get you know, three, four whatever. Eleven games,
which is kind of a weird number, but it's a lot.
That's a fucking massive number. So all of a sudden,
the eleven games, all this stuff going off the field.
So it's like, okay, we every single person in that
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stadium thinks the guy's a scumback. But listen, you watch sports,
you root for teams long enough, you root for some scumbacks,
so it's like, hey, you're good. Whatever. Well then this
guy starts playing and he's the opposite of good. He's atrocious. Statistically,
he's legitimately one of the worst quarterbacks in the history
of the NFL. This season he was, and I would
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say over the course of those couple games or six
games when he came back, and then last year before
he got injured. It couldn't have been going much worse.
So it's like, wait, I'm a Browns fan. I've been
watching this team from my whole life. Let's just put
me in those shoes. I'm forty years old. I've seen
a lot of bad foot I've rooted for a lot
of teams that have lost. But you know what, We've
had guys that find out he's a root for Nick Chubb,
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stud Joe Thomas over the years, badass right now, Miles
Garrett Baller, want that guy on my squad, But I'm
supposed to just like this guy. Obviously, no one in
that city wants that guy on their team. They're stuck
with him. Then he gets injured, which actually makes it
worse because any of these potential like could we get
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rid of them and includes them draft picks? That guy
is yours. It is over careers, a rap, like this
thing's done. But I just don't blame them for booing them.
I don't think they're booing them. One he wasn't gonna die,
fucking tore his achilles, He'll be fine. They're booing the situation.
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Do you know who they were really booing? The owner
that was an fu to the owner for making the
fans watch a guy that every single person is the
same opinion of, which isn't good from a character standpoint.
Who is one of the worst players. And this is
a team who has watched crappy quarterbacks. They're not expecting
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Rogers are farv to come running out that tunnel for
the Browns. But for two hundred and thirty million, just
a functional starter would have been great. And this guy
was awful, bad guy, worst player, And I just I
just don't think it's very shocking, and anyone criticizing them, Like,
I just don't think any other player, any other person
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in the entire league, in any stadium, is getting booed
in that situation except him. Here's also what I think.
I think you could put him in another stadium. I
think he probably gets booed there too. I actually feel
pretty confident he gets booed in any other stadium. So
it's like, this is a DeShawn Watson thing, not a
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fan thing, not a city thing, And it's because of
the owner, because the only reason that he's on the
team is because the owner was willing to give him
that contract. So he pops his achilles. Obviously, the season's over.
I doubt we ever see him play another snap for
the Browns. He absolutely it was like the equivalent of
the Latanza. Heis absolutely robbed the Browns. I mean, so
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it's an all time It's Hyghway robbery, right. It's just
props to will Getta his agent because they just they
bent over the Browns and they took all the money.
Then they never thought twice about giving any of it back,
no matter how many balls they threw to the other team,
no matter how many balls skipped the grounds, no matter
how many lawsuits came their way, It's all guaranteed. Baby.
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A couple other quick things. It's crazy when Gino Smith
plays well. When Gino Smith plays well, which he never
does against the forty nine ers, but then he plays
other teams like today, you just watching him make some throws,
You're like, God, this guy, he's just all over the map.
He's got to be a frustrating player to coach because
they are so explosive on offense. Kenth Walker is such
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a good multi dimensional player. He's a great running back.
He can catch the ball. I mean, DK, I think
he's got to be one of the most unique freaks
in the history of the NFL. The size, the speed,
the power, the athleticism. He's just an all time athletic outlier.
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And you watch him today. I know he got dinged
up towards the end, but he made a catch in
the middle of the game where he goes up, you know,
ahead of a dB. It's like, what a monster. And
I think their coaching staff's really good. Now with the
Niners losing, they're in first place, but it kind of
just hit with Gino plays well. Their coaching staff's good,
their talent's good. They can beat a lot of teams.
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And you leave that game going, is it Land any good?
Is it Land any good? Listen, you lose some games.
They got worked in that game and you look back,
it's earlier in the season. Me and Stucky talked about
this on Thursday. Their wreck could easily be the other
way right now. I mean easily. So I'm not I
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still like some of the players on their team, and
you know, I'm not just selling all my kirk oh
cousins stock, but they got worked today. And last but
not least, it's got to be a good feeling as
a GM to make a trade. And when you've got
a good teams. It's just easier to be aggressive with trade,
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so it's not it probably wasn't that difficult for Brandon
Bean to trade for a Mari. But it's still like,
you hope it works right. You want to look good,
you want the guy to be productive, and then you
get him and you look up and he scores a
touchdown and on the play when you watch it in
slow motion, he did not know what he was doing.
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He had to look at key On Coleman. Coleman did
like a he tried to do like a sneaky little
like run a post. You know DB's are standing right
there and it didn't even matter. Ran right to the goalpost.
Touchdown josh Amari Cooper. So props to Brandon Bean. Props
the Bills make a trade media touchdown. Thanks for listening, everybody.
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What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff three Now podcast?
How are we doing? It is Sunday night and I
just watched the Steelers beat the crap out of the Jets.
We will dive into that because there's a lot going
on there. We have Woody Johnson playing GM, We got
Tomlin going to Russell Wilson. It looking rocky, to say
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the least at the start to turning into it look
like a genus move by the end of the game.
And yeah, just just a crazy game. I want to
dive deep into some games. Colin and I go after
every Sunday night game, or excuse me, every Sunday afternoon game.
So we went deep on the Chiefs Niner game, the
(02:20):
Lions Minnesota game, the Eagle Giants game, and the Packer
Houston game. We talked a lot about those games, So
if you want to go back and hear my takes
on those, obviously we'll get into it too as the
week goes on, but I'm not going to discuss those
games here. So Colin and I talked about those. You
see it on YouTube or seed. On the podcast. I
do want to talk about Anthony richardson the Colt's Got
(02:43):
a problem. I do want to talk about some things
I've seen with the Patriots and the Commanders when it
comes to coaching and young quarterbacks. I do want to
talk about Miles Garrett and some of his thoughts on
some of his thoughts on DeShawn Watson because he was
not happy be with people booing him. And I gotta say,
I understand where the fans are coming from. So that'll
(03:06):
be the play of today, and we will have another
podcast out tomorrow reacting in the Monday Night football. There's
actually two Monday Night football games. I'm actually playing golf
tomorrow with Daniel Jeremiah, who you know NFL Network guy
that I worked with way back in the day with
the Eagles. Because he's here with the Chargers, he's there
he does radio for him and Matt Muney Smith, his
(03:26):
radio partner. We're playing tomorrow like seven am. He texts me,
He's like, I'm in town. I'm like, you're in town.
He's like, yeah, Monday Night Football. I'm like, I thought
it's Ravens. Thought it's Ravens Tampa. It's like, yeah, double header,
like double header, and it's not even a normal double header.
It's a late doubleheader. The games at six, the first
ones at five fifteen Pacific standard time. So we got
(03:47):
a lot going on. These football games. Rogers just keep
throwing games at us, So we'll be reacting to the
games tomorrow, both of them Monday Night Football, and yeah,
we'll just keep rocking and rolling. We'll do some college
stuff come up on Wednesday. I'll record on Tuesday. Josh Pate,
who a lot of people fellow ball brother coming on
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(04:08):
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let's dive into the game. Just a big picture thought.
And it kind of hit me toward the end as
(05:16):
the Steelers were kind of choking them out that it
reminded me a little bit of Saturday Night. So far,
the biggest college football game of the year when Georgia
went into Texas and kicked their ass. And this isn't
apples to apples because the Steelers were up against the
Ropes early on in that game. But the NFL's different
(05:37):
than college. But over the course of the game, the
cream rose, the best team won and really the Steelers
dominated them in the second half. Is that culture matters,
Is that the ethos of your franchise, the direction of
you are being led by your head coach, by your organization,
by the beliefs that the emblem on the side of
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your helmet stands. For certain organizations, it means something. And
with the Pittsburgh Steelers at the end of that game,
Collins were said, He's like, it's crazy. We go to
so many practices and there isn't many practices, if any,
like the Steelers on a Friday or they go full
pads and they practice for two hours. And he's like,
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I asked, Tomlin, is it hard? Sometimes free agents people
talk they don't want to come because they want no
part of it. And Tomlin's like, yeah, we get guys
that will turn us down for that. And you know what,
they wouldn't want those guys because the Chiefs do the
same thing. If you can't handle the physicality of practice,
of the mental and physical toll that it takes being
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a member of this organization, don't come because you won't last.
But most importantly with the Steelers, and like a lot
of good organizations, the Ravens, the chiefs, their stability, there's
one vision with the Jets. This morning, Adam Schefter reported,
Hassan Reddick is coming back. His agents fired him, right,
(07:02):
so he gets with Drew Rosenhouse, one of the great
deal makers in like the history of business, and he
got a deal done. And as Schefter reported, he's the
first guy to hold out in the last decade into
the season that got a rework deal. And so I
clicked on the article Schefter tweeted out and do you
know who was quoted in there the dealt with the
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deal was Drew Rosenhouse, who said he dealt directly with
Woody Johnson. Who do you think made the trade last
week for DeVante Adams. You think it was Joe Douglas,
who's clearly a dead man walking and will not be
the general manager of the team next year because his
deal's up and they haven't had any success. Of course,
not it was Woody Johnson. You can't function like that now, listen.
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I don't pretend to be right about everything wrong often
part of the gig. When Tomlin went to Russell Wilson, honestly,
when the rumor started last week, I didn't believe him.
I thought he was messing with the Jets. Fought it
all week, and then it was pretty clear when the
video went viral of George Pickens acknowledging that Russell Wilson
(08:09):
was starting. I think that was on like you Thursday
afternoon or Friday. It really couldn't be denied. I was like, yeah,
maybe I was wrong, and then the game starts and
you're like, this is nuts. He's skipping balls. He looks atrocious,
like Mike Tomlin. Listen, anyone that's watching the baseball playoffs know,
or if you just like baseball. In the playoffs, sometimes
(08:30):
you take a picture out for someone in the bullpen,
or you substitute a hit her for someone off the bench.
Sometimes that guy hits a home run or strikes out
the side and saves the game and you win. And
sometimes that guy grounds into a double play and your
season ends and you go home and the manager looks
like an idiot. But Mike Tomlin, when Russell Wilson starts,
(08:54):
you don't have to go. Do you think it was
the Roonies? Do you think it was the new GM. No,
it was Mike Tomlin's decision. But whenever you go with
the Jets, you go what is going on? Who's making
these decisions? And the answer is, I don't know. Sometimes
it's the owner. Sometimes it's the forty year old quarterback
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who's nowhere near as good as he once was, even
though he's way better than anything they've had. There are
a team full of mercenaries. And going back to the
Georgia Texas game is the one thing that really stood
out to me is there's like a way of life
when you play football at Georgia. When we're playing, well,
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we're gonna try to destroy and hurt you physically, and
for most people that we play, we're able to impose
our will. And that's how the Steelers have all often played.
It's why when you close your eyes you think about
the Pittsburgh Steelers and they acknowledge the team from the
seventies to night. You think me and Joe Green, You
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think when I was a kid, Greg Lloyd and Kevin
Green to now TJ. Watt and Mika Fitzpatrick and High
Smith off the edge, and Cam Hayward in the middle
and now Joey Porter Junior, whose father also played there,
And it's kind of what they stand for and who
they are, and Mike Tomlin on the sideline. And as
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this game played out, you looked at the other side
and you're like, this is just a team full of
mercenaries hired guns. In baseball, that works sometimes, right, you
look at the teams in the World Series. I buy
or trade for Juan Soto, I trade for John Carlos Stanton,
I buy Shoho Tani, I buy whoever right, I trade
(10:44):
for Mookie Betts. It's a plug and play sport. It
doesn't matter. Chemistries, as Billy Bean would tell you, relatively overrated,
and I would kind of agree. In football, it's not.
You can't just have DeVante Adams show up on Tuesday
or Wednesday, think everything's fixed tomorrow is san Reddick walks
into the building, come on in. You think he gives
a shit that they are two and five and they've
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been kind of embarrassed the last couple weeks. On Monday
and Sunday night football that their head coach was escorted
out of the building a couple weeks ago. Hell, no,
doesn't even know the guy, why would he care. So
when you get in these games, and at one point
tonight the game was really really close, and I'm thinking, like, god,
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but Jets might be able to pull this off right
around halftime when they were winning fifteen to thirteen. But
then as the game goes, you realize these guys barely
know each other one some of them aren't even that
good anymore. This guy's had a great career Tyron Smith
Hall of Fame level player. Stud No one that played
with them, that played against him, that knows the guy,
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never heard a negative tourst thing said about him publicly privately.
It's not any good anymore. Like that's part of sports,
right You sign these big names. It's like this ain't
twenty seventeen, and you just look at the Jets and
you're like, this ain't gonna work. You go to an
interim coach who's never been a head coach, who was listen,
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I really liked him when I was a kid, when
he was a player, and seems like an intense guy.
But now their defense sucks. I mean, their defense is
getting shredded these last two weeks. Why is that? Because
he can no longer just focus on the defense. He's
also got to be the head coach because that's his
new responsibility. You look over at the Steelers sideline. They've
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had three fucking head coaches in like what feels like
one hundred years, and there's a hierarchy Mike and then
on down and everyone answers to him, and we all
know what we're gonna get. Tonight actually was kind of
cool because they were in the red zone. They were
like the five yard line. Tomlin looks at Arthur Smith
and you could tell he was saying something to him,
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and even collins Or's like, I bet he's telling him
to run the ball. Turns out he was telling him
throw a fade to George Pickens. Didn't work, But clearly
that came from Tomlin. Why because he's the boss. This
is the knock on the Cowboys. You go, who's the boss? Well,
it's Jerry, but he's not coaching me. Can I just
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circumvent him and go talk to the owner even though
the defensive coordinator is telling me one thing? These were
famous stories forever about the Raiders that if you ever
wanted anything changed schematically play wise, you just go around
the coach because I have to go right to Al Davis.
That's what happens with the Cowboys. That's kind of what's
happening now with the Jets. And it's a problem. It
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does not work, and it definitely does not work when
your owner's Woody Johnson. And you saw to night an
organization that's buttoned up that wins. Now, they haven't won
a super Bowl in a long time, they haven't even
won a playoff game in a while, but they never
have a losing record, and now it looks like they're
headed toward one of their better seasons, you know, over
the last three or four years. Looks like they could
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get to eleven or twelve wins. Defense is really good,
they're tough, they just they have an identity. Now we'll
see this Russell Wilson justin fields thing. Clearly they're going
to go with Russell moving forward. But I just thought
that that was culture and organizations on full display tonight
and it was an eye opening experience. And listen, I
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was wrong about Mike Tomlin, right, But that's why you
know you when you get the head coach right, which
is the reason he's had the job for a long time.
You got to make tough decisions, and it's a lot
easier to make suggestions than decisions. It's why so many
guys go from coordinator positions or position coaches to coordinators
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and become overwhelmed because I've always been thought I have
the ideas. I've always made these suggestions, but I've never
had been the one that have to make the decision.
That was a bold ass move, It really was. I
don't think any of us are alone that we thought
he was insane early in the game when balls were
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hitting the ground, not even remotely close to wide receivers. Meanwhile,
Rogers is kind of slinging it around like he's thirty four.
You're like, Mike, you are not going to be able
to beat Aaron Rodgers and now DeVante Adams in Breese Hall,
and he's thick in his head. Maybe this ain't going well.
Or let it play out, Let's take a deep breath.
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We're not going to overreact to every single play like
Woody Johnson up there in the box, and over the
course of the game, it was clear it was the
right decision. Russell Wilson can no longer really run right
justin Fields, who's a great athlete. That part of the
game is done. They have no running element with the quarterback.
But as collins Worth mentioned on the broadcast, spreading the
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ball down the on go routes and passes down the
sideline opens up the offense that had not existed with Field.
And one thing Russell has always done and everyone knows
this is throw a good go ball, throw a great
lollipop throw. And tonight it still feels like he's a
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little off. He's clearly nowhere near as good as he
once was, but he hit some of those passes. And
George Pickens was a major major factor tonight that he
had not become one or had become less and less
of one with Fields. And then when they were doing that,
it opened up the run game, and then they just
took complete control of the Jets, whose defense has got
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to be one of the more fraudulent units going. But
like the Steelers can't win the AFC with Russell Wilson
at quarterback, I think depending on the matchup, it would
be tough for them to win a playoff game. But
as the game played on, it was clear like, Okay,
I get it, even though Albert Rereer tweeted he like
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quoted one of Collins' tweets that was like, yeah, a
lot of people around Pittsburgh because I think and asked, like,
what did Russell look like? I said, practice, because if
he did, how'd you start him? And I just think
he went with his gut, And that's part of being
a leader. You got to make decisions where you don't
have all the information you go I just know what
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is not working, and this is not gonna be good.
When we play better teams, We're gonna need to be
a little more potent on offense in the passing game
because if you can explode, if you have explosive passes,
then they have to honor. It opens to the line
of scrimmage and you can run the ball a little
bit better, which is clearly what happened. Their passing game
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opened up the run game tonight. And listen, I'm not
Russell Wilson hater in the sense of he's one of
the most electric players I've ever seen live, and I
thought he was remarkable in the prime of his career,
but the guy he's become doesn't really resemble that guy anymore.
But he's better than justin fields as a passer. Not
really debatable in a half. And this is a guy
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who didn't play a game right all season long, missed
basically all of training camp, and was he benched the
last several games of the season when Sean Payton when
they didn't want to pay him the bonus. So props
to Mike Tomlin because sometimes, like sometimes in life, you
gotta rich shit right. Sometimes like yeah, things are going okay, Well,
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if you want to take the next step, you gotta
roll the dice. And sometimes, you know, you roll a
situation and it blows up in your face. That's part
of being the leader, it's part of being the head coach.
And sometimes you do it and you feel really good
about it. And now they probably even feel better about
their quarterback situation. The other thing they learned this week
is when the situation was playing out and clearly the
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players do it is that feels warn't like a ten
year vet, how mature he was. He didn't go, you know,
because early in training camp he believed I should be
the starting quarterback and then when he was asked Wednesday
or Thursday, he's straight upset. Like I could have done more,
would have been better. I wasn't good enough. It's like, damn,
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that was a really really impressive comment. And that goes
back to the culture thing, because what was he gonna say?
Cause that shit doesn't fly there. It's why when you
start acting like an idiot, unless you're Antonio Brown and
you're so damn good, that kind of got to deal
with you. But unless you're an elite All Pro player,
you kind of gotta either shape in or they kick
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you out right. And Field has been in that culture
and he's a high character guy, no problems to begin with.
But it was like, God, he just talks like a Steeler.
He just blends right in. George Pickens is the one
wild card, but again he's by far their best wide receiver.
And I just I think back to the Jets, man,
I you just you can't fake it in football. And
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I think when owners get involved, do you know who
the Jets really feel right now? Like right now a
little Dan Snyder mid two thousands Washington Redskins. That's kind
of the vibes thing get And I saw Gottlieb put
something out on social media and he said that I
think the Jets get an inordinate amount of coverage because
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such a large percentage of media. People grow up in
Long Island are inclined to work or root for the
Jets growing up, and I think there's probably some truth
to that. I would just put New York as a whole.
Even if you grew up a Giants fan, you still
watch so much of the Jets as a kid. They're
just part of who you are to your core. And
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I also think just we are inclined to talk about
the bigger markets in New York, but they get like
at the end of the day, the Cowboys are a
good example of like we talked too much. They go
to the playoffs a lot. They're in a ton of
big games that matter. The Jets simply are not. Now
this year's a little different because Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback,
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so they are a major conversation. But like they're a
lost or two away from no one gives a shit,
Like this is a joke, like this is an embarrassment,
and they get the Patriots next week, so they'll win
and be like everything's It's like that game couldn't mean
any less to me. It's irrelevant, It does not matter
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so they could win that game seventy five to nothing.
I don't want to hear one opinion coming out about it.
If you want to give some opinions about this game,
and you know, football wise, obviously, Davante opens a little
bit up for Garrett Wilson if you can get Breize
Hall a little involved. But their defense, their offenses isn't
that good. They scored fifteen points to Night, and the
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Steelers defense isn't exactly the nineteen seventy five version of
the steel Curtain. They scored twenty points last week, and
seven of them want to fucking hail Mary. So I
think we have to acknowledge a couple of things, right
because we deal with all these other teams, Like are
the Bills they have enough talent on defense, are explosive
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enough on offense? Yeah, it comes to the Jets site
they are gonna figure it out. No, they're not. They
can't score points. They struggle to block for Aaron Rodgers.
Their defense can't stop anyone who has any talent on offense.
Their head coach has literally never been a head coach
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up until like seven, I don't know, twelve days ago.
Their offensive coordinator has been run out of multiple places.
Their superstar quarterback is forty years old and no longer
looks remotely close to what he once does or did. Yes,
Breeze Hall and Garrett Wilson are really talented. Quinn Williams
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could play for my squad any day of the week.
But like Davante, just shows up gonna save the day.
That's how that worked for the Raiders. I love DeVante,
big fan Frisne State, go Dogs, but give me a break.
Hassan Reddick is just gonna show up. Let's go get
them guys. Bullshit, No, because all these teams, I watched
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the Chiefs take it to the forty nine ers. That
Chiefs unit now has been together for years, years, especially
the defense. They've been playing together for a long period
of time. They all know everything about each other, their families,
what they like to eat, what pisses them off, what
they think's funny. But they think how much time they've
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spent around each other, OTA's training camp, playoff games, super
Bowl trips. I'm talking years. It's like a sod Reddick
should really help the defense, he should. The fuck's he
been doing? Where's he been? Do you think he's really
been training hard? Because one thing I heard this morning
on one of the shows, or maybe I read some
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article that was like, now he's really sticking to his guns.
He believed in he believed he was getting screwed. So
if he believed he was getting screwed and he was
just fired by his agent, he probably thought they were
never going to change the contract. So are we to
believe that he has just been training his every love
and ass off wherever he was, because that would seem
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to be a little nuts to me. Now, he's a
really talented player, but you're just saying you just show
up October twenty first, and I expect you just have
a huge impact. It's like plug and play. When does
it ever work like that, unless, like you're a kicker.
So I just I'm just tired of talking about this
team because there were force fed them, because they play
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all these primetime games because of Rogers and the way
just they always feel like a headline story, and then
you watch them play, you're like the production does not
outweigh like the importance that they feel on all of
our you know, football lives. And they are a loss.
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Obviously they're gonna be the Patriots. They lose the Texans like,
I'm sorry, we're gonna ban them up until they show
any signs of life. Now, if they win the next
two games, which the text are clearly leaking a little oil,
looked a little off today, all of a sudden, it'd
be like, you know, they're four and five. They got
a look at their schedule to get to ten wins,
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which I think they would have to do to make
the playoffs. Right, Steelers are gonna be in the playoffs. Obviously,
The Ravens are in the playoffs, so that's one division
winner and a wildcard team. Chiefs are in the playoffs.
You might want to google the Chargers schedule. They're winning
eleven plus, so that's another wildcard spot and a division winner.
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Bills are in, and the Texans are in. Listen, Cincinnati's
definitely not dead that there's gonna be another team. I
think if we look around and the Denver Broncos are
four and three, so I think they would have to
be almost this team's going eight and two. Cannot see it.
I can't, like, would I be shocked if the Steelers
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lost a couple games, of course not. But when you
build a five and two cushion, it's pretty easy to
get the ten wins because all you got to do
over the last ten games is go five and five.
Where Tomin gets a lot of credit for making this
move because it worked. Speaking of coaching, like, it really
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hit me this for some reason, I couldn't really sleep.
I get up probably at like six forty five in
the morning, the game had already started. Go out, make
some coffee, just kind of sit down, pour a big
Stanley and just watch the game for a little bit.
And at first you're like, God, well, the JAG's gonna
lose to the Patriots. And the answer was a hard no,
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and the Jags ended up working them. And there was
a moment in that game late in the second half
when the Patriots were down nine points and they scored
a touchdown, or they scored a touchdown to make it nine,
so if they kick an extra point they would be
down eight, and Gerrod Mail went for two. He didn't
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get it. And then I'm watching today the kind of watching.
I mean, I had the game on a smaller TV,
the Commanders versus the Carolina Panthers, which was I don't
know the final score. If you told me to guess,
I'd guess fifty to three. They absolutely, I mean ruined them.
And that's with Jayden Daniels getting injured and missing a
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large portion of the game and Marcus Mariota came in
and it looked exactly like Jayden Daniels. Think about last year.
The Bears are not your normal number one overall drafting team, right.
They got that pick from Carolina, But the second team
was Washington and the third team with the Patriots. Both
teams sucked. One team drafts Jaden Daniels, the other team
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draft Drake May. Now, in fairness, one team starts the guy.
The other guy goes with Jacobe Wessett for a little
bit and he sucks. But if you just watched the
two teams and even remove the records, right, you just go,
you know what Washington has going for him. I don't
think they're gonna probably win a playoff game. I'd still
bet against that because of the overall talent on their team.
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They have been winning against bad teams and you deserve
credit for that. We'll see as they played better teams.
But we saw him play the Ravens and it was
one sided. Though the Ravens are probably you know, right
there with the Chiefs the best teams in the league.
Think about the coaching for Washington, they got a real
head coach who you can nitpick him. In Atlanta, he took
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them to the Super Bowl. Then he became the Dallas
defensive coordinator and they had one of the best defense
in the league for like two and a half years.
They haired Kingsbury, who should be your head coach, but
he's an excellent coordinator. And you watch them play and
you just go, God, they're just well coached. Obviously, they
got a couple good players, and the rookie quarterbacks have
been fantastic, but they're not exactly rolling out superstars at
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all these positions. They're depending on a lot of young players,
and you just watch them, you go, God, they're doing
a really, really good job. And then you watch the
Patriots and you go, do these people have any clue
what they're doing? Like, are we sure that Drake May
is in safe hands? Obviously they're head coach who was
an impressive player team captain, so was Antonio Pierce. Look
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at the Raiders, they're a fucking joke. Dan Campbell was
a marginal backup. It doesn't matter how good you were
as a player, for being a coach. Look at Bill Belichick.
There's no way, in the prime of his career, at
whatever age you wanted to pick, he could have taken
one snap in Division one football, let alone in the NFL.
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So what you did as a player in the NFL
means nothing for what you're gonna be as a head coach.
And you watch the Patriots and you go, ay, listen,
I understand they don't have much talent. I'm not expecting
them to win many games, but can they ever do
impressive things? And then you watch the Commanders. I don't
think they have much talent, and I watch them every
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week and you go, they're making Marcus Mariota look good.
This is why Brian Daball went Coach of the Year
a couple of years ago, because you're like, who is
on this Giant's team? All of a sudden, they won
nine games and then won a playoff game, one of
the most remarkable coaching jobs I've ever seen. Coaching matters,
and when you hire people and you hire the wrong people,
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and you get guys that just are what feels like
in over their heads Antonio Pearson Droid Mail. Those guys
were stud players championship level players, team captains, heartbeat of
the team. But there's a big difference between doing that
with shoulder pads and a helmet on then being the
head coach of an NFL team week in week out.
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Like Dan Quinn. I doubt he ever could have taken
a snap in the NFL in training camp with a threes,
let alone in the regular season game. But he knows
what he's doing as a coach. Why, because they're two
completely different things. They don't parallel each other at all.
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So I just it's just crazy how much coaching matters.
Speaking of coaching, I think Shane Steichen's really good. He's
proven that over the years. He knows how to work
with quarterbacks. But I do think there are certain players
that if they have the best coaching possible, if they
had the most talent around them possible, they were on
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like dream teams, Pro Bowl rosters, they still wouldn't be
good enough. This stuff's really really hard, and there are
all types of really really competitive industries that certain human
beings just aren't talented enough and get weeded out, not
because they don't care, not because they don't have the
intellect to succeeds. There not because of the effort or
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the work ethic, just simply because whatever business, they don't
have the talent. You see this a lot in sports,
and you see this a lot in music, though with
technology you can fake it a little bit more in music,
but you definitely see it in pro sports because once
you get to the highest level, you get weeded out
if you're not good enough. And I'm watching Anthony Richardson
today going, I want to like this guy. Like everything
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I heard coming out people all my friends in the
scouting world that are on like the good teams that
were never going to draft them, really like them, they said.
Once you meet him at the combine, everyone was so
impressed with them. Obviously the physical gifts speak for themselves.
But he's a terrible football player right now today when
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you take Huntley who got injured in the game, and
Tim Boyle, who had one of the worst finishing passes
you'll ever see threw it out of bounds on fourth
down when fifteen of twenty six for one hundred and
fifteen yards, which I think if I just said Tyler Huntley,
Tim Boyle or your quarterbacks are going to play in
a game, it's going to be hard to be worse
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than that in any NFL game all season long. Anthony
Richardson went ten for twenty four for one hundred and
thirty yards in the same game. I don't believe the
stats are actually as bad as what I witnessed. Somehow
they won. They got very lucky to win. I thought,
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I understand why the culture playing him, they drafted him
forth overall, the only way he's going to improve, in
theory is to play through it. But there is a
chance that if you just keep rolling him out, he
will continue to be bad and he will never get better.
I think there is above a coin flip, well above
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a fifty to fifty chance. This is who he kind
of is. In fairness to Shane Sichin during this game,
he kind of acknowledged it and treated him like a
running back. And this is a guy who gets injured
all the time. And it was clear like if he
gets injured, so be it. We can't in some must
passing situations have him throw the ball. If they truly
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want to win on a weekly basis and try to
make the playoff, they would go with Joe Flacco. That
gives them the best chance to win if they just
keep rolling this out, which I like I said, I
understand they are just trying to make the guy that
they drafted really high work and they should just come
out and say that, which they won't because that's not
the way it works. But they don't need to because
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we all know it because if you keep they could
barely beat the Miami Dolphins, who without Tua tonguea Iiloa
is just easily one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Who played Snoop Huntley, who's you know, wasn't bad for
the Ravens, but you watch them day's pretty terrible, and
Tim Boyle, who's even worse, and they could barely win
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that game. I mean it was ten to ten going
down the stretch of the fourth quarter. That's an embarrassing win.
You thought the Eagles against the Browns was bad. This
is worse. This is worse. It really is. And I
think by the end of the season they might have
to acknowledge not the we picked the wrong guy because
they picked it knowing what they were getting into. A
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major project, a great unknown, we're swinging for the fences.
We're gonna try to coach him up. But this guy
might just be someone that you can't coach up. He's
just not accurate enough. He does not have the touch.
He just can't make the throws like every once in
a while. Tonight even Russell Wilson saw a couple of
nice little touch throws. Saw some bad ones, but he
also some good ones, like he has it in there.
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Obviously Rogers has it. Any starting quarterback for a long
period of time has to have some of that. No
one cares. You can't throw one hundred miles an hour
on every single pass, and that's what it feels like.
So Colts fans, it's wild ride sucks because you know, like,
would we have won this game like thirty to ten
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if Joe Flacco is playing And the answer is probably yes. Okay.
One of the big stories today was Deshaun Watson. I
was watching the game. He goes to, you know, playing
his foot. You immediately see that little Achilles boop over
obvious ripped Achilles carded off the field. Now, I got
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about all the games going on at one so I
can only listen to the volume on one game. So
in the morning slate, I was basically going back between
the Lions Vikings game and the Packer Houston game. Early on,
I went a little Eagles Giants, but as that game
got away, I didn't listen to that game, so it
was basically I just listened to two volume. Because I
can't listen to three volumes at once. I just listened
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to one volume, so I wasn't listening to anything. So
I see him get card off the field, the team
comes up, don't really think anything of it. As the
day goes on, everything starts going viral about how they
boot him off the field, like, yeah, not surprising, not surprising,
and then all the comments come out. Jamis went on, Jamis.
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If you watch Jamis's two minute, kind of like a
rant slash soliloquy slash diet tribe. I didn't even know
how to describe it. It feels like he's putting on
a skit or like acting, you know, like going to
one of those reads to try to be an actor
for a television show. That's what he feels like. He's
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he's really playing the character. But Miles Garrett, who was
just being Miles Garrett in the Price conference, was pretty
pissed off and he said a lot of things, and
one of the comments that he had was the Deshaun
has been a model citizen throughout his college career and
most he used the words not mine most of his
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professional career. It's hard not to laugh when he said
and most of his professional career. I just think this
because I think it's most players, and I will see
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the media takes. There are gonna be some that are
crushing the fans because they love to now well, I
think opinions is gonna be all of it, the map
on this, but I know this. There is not another
player in that game, on the Browns or on the Bengals.
Coaches sidelined people, the chain gang, any human that could
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have got a leg shattered, that could have popped, an achilles,
that could have been knocked out, that if they would
have gone off the field on a cart and given
a thumbs up, from Jamar Chase to Joe Burrow, to
the Bengals, you name it. There's not another human that
that crowd, like any crowd, would have given a standing
ovation to. But this fan base, they traded for this guy,
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and they gave a historic amount of money and he
was immediately suspended for eleven games for the massage therapists.
I think the numbers up to twenty eight total. So
we immediately get this car. I'm just putting myself in
a Browns fan shoes. We immediately get this quarterback who's
been good for the Texans that he's immediately suspended, and
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our owner and our front office fudge the contract because
we knew it was coming. We only paid him a
million bucks eleven games. We've seen guys get in trouble,
see guys get you know, three, four whatever. Eleven games,
which is kind of a weird number, but it's a lot.
That's a fucking massive number. So all of a sudden,
the eleven games, all this stuff going off the field.
So it's like, okay, we every single person in that
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stadium thinks the guy's a scumback. But listen, you watch sports,
you root for teams long enough, you root for some scumbacks,
so it's like, hey, you're good. Whatever. Well then this
guy starts playing and he's the opposite of good. He's atrocious. Statistically,
he's legitimately one of the worst quarterbacks in the history
of the NFL. This season he was, and I would
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say over the course of those couple games or six
games when he came back, and then last year before
he got injured. It couldn't have been going much worse.
So it's like, wait, I'm a Browns fan. I've been
watching this team from my whole life. Let's just put
me in those shoes. I'm forty years old. I've seen
a lot of bad foot I've rooted for a lot
of teams that have lost. But you know what, We've
had guys that find out he's a root for Nick Chubb,
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stud Joe Thomas over the years, badass right now, Miles
Garrett Baller, want that guy on my squad, But I'm
supposed to just like this guy. Obviously, no one in
that city wants that guy on their team. They're stuck
with him. Then he gets injured, which actually makes it
worse because any of these potential like could we get
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rid of them and includes them draft picks? That guy
is yours. It is over careers, a rap, like this
thing's done. But I just don't blame them for booing them.
I don't think they're booing them. One he wasn't gonna die,
fucking tore his achilles, He'll be fine. They're booing the situation.
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Do you know who they were really booing? The owner
that was an fu to the owner for making the
fans watch a guy that every single person is the
same opinion of, which isn't good from a character standpoint.
Who is one of the worst players. And this is
a team who has watched crappy quarterbacks. They're not expecting
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Rogers are farv to come running out that tunnel for
the Browns. But for two hundred and thirty million, just
a functional starter would have been great. And this guy
was awful, bad guy, worst player, And I just I
just don't think it's very shocking, and anyone criticizing them, Like,
I just don't think any other player, any other person
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in the entire league, in any stadium, is getting booed
in that situation except him. Here's also what I think.
I think you could put him in another stadium. I
think he probably gets booed there too. I actually feel
pretty confident he gets booed in any other stadium. So
it's like, this is a DeShawn Watson thing, not a
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fan thing, not a city thing, And it's because of
the owner, because the only reason that he's on the
team is because the owner was willing to give him
that contract. So he pops his achilles. Obviously, the season's over.
I doubt we ever see him play another snap for
the Browns. He absolutely it was like the equivalent of
the Latanza. Heis absolutely robbed the Browns. I mean, so
(42:17):
it's an all time It's Hyghway robbery, right. It's just
props to will Getta his agent because they just they
bent over the Browns and they took all the money.
Then they never thought twice about giving any of it back,
no matter how many balls they threw to the other team,
no matter how many balls skipped the grounds, no matter
how many lawsuits came their way, It's all guaranteed. Baby.
(42:38):
A couple other quick things. It's crazy when Gino Smith
plays well. When Gino Smith plays well, which he never
does against the forty nine ers, but then he plays
other teams like today, you just watching him make some throws,
You're like, God, this guy, he's just all over the map.
He's got to be a frustrating player to coach because
they are so explosive on offense. Kenth Walker is such
(42:59):
a good multi dimensional player. He's a great running back.
He can catch the ball. I mean, DK, I think
he's got to be one of the most unique freaks
in the history of the NFL. The size, the speed,
the power, the athleticism. He's just an all time athletic outlier.
(43:21):
And you watch him today. I know he got dinged
up towards the end, but he made a catch in
the middle of the game where he goes up, you know,
ahead of a dB. It's like, what a monster. And
I think their coaching staff's really good. Now with the
Niners losing, they're in first place, but it kind of
just hit with Gino plays well. Their coaching staff's good,
their talent's good. They can beat a lot of teams.
(43:43):
And you leave that game going, is it Land any good?
Is it Land any good? Listen, you lose some games.
They got worked in that game and you look back,
it's earlier in the season. Me and Stucky talked about
this on Thursday. Their wreck could easily be the other
way right now. I mean easily. So I'm not I
(44:06):
still like some of the players on their team, and
you know, I'm not just selling all my kirk oh
cousins stock, but they got worked today. And last but
not least, it's got to be a good feeling as
a GM to make a trade. And when you've got
a good teams. It's just easier to be aggressive with trade,
(44:27):
so it's not it probably wasn't that difficult for Brandon
Bean to trade for a Mari. But it's still like,
you hope it works right. You want to look good,
you want the guy to be productive, and then you
get him and you look up and he scores a
touchdown and on the play when you watch it in
slow motion, he did not know what he was doing.
(44:48):
He had to look at key On Coleman. Coleman did
like a he tried to do like a sneaky little
like run a post. You know DB's are standing right
there and it didn't even matter. Ran right to the goalpost.
Touchdown josh Amari Cooper. So props to Brandon Bean. Props
the Bills make a trade media touchdown. Thanks for listening, everybody.
(45:09):
I will see you, well, I won't see you because
I can't see you. You'll probably hear me Tuesday morning
or or Monday night. If you want to watch YouTube,
we usually post a video. We will be reacting to
all the Monday night games because there's two. So buckle up,
but have a great day. Talk soon. The volume
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