October 22, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin gives Lamar Jackson credit for the way he's handled super stardom in today's social media culture after another dominating win over an NFC opponent
He still can't believe the Cowboys didn't think they needed RB Derrick Henry
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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try to top next week. Well, you know, I love
Lamar Jackson. There's a million reasons I love it, and
I actually think he's the best football player on the planet.
I don't think he's the best quarterback yet, but I
do think he's like half running back half quarterback. I
think he just adds elements we've never seen before. Hit
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eight different targets last night. If his tight end could catch,
he would have had nine different targets.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He was decent last night.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He was decentry. Twenty seven year old Lamar Jackson. We
live in a world where young people maybe I did
this when I was young. It's the constant need for affirmation.
They go to TikTok. I can mimic the stand up comedian.
I can dance to somebody else's song. I can sing
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somebody else's song look at me. Or every replaceable number
four receiver on every team gets a first down and
they have to stand up in point. And then there's
Lamar Jackson, probably the world's best football talent. Five touchdown passes,
no picks. On Monday Night football, he has twenty touchdown passes,
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no interceptions, out running the fastest linebacker you have and
often the fastest say and corner, another touchdown, another Ravens win.
And then he goes back to the sideline, takes his
helmet off, puts his hand in his gear, and he's smiling.
He's always around somebody on the team, and he's laughing.
He's asking questions, humble, not seeking affirmation, not seeking validation.
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That's the thing when you're really successful, it's really really
hard and takes you ever to be successful. And he's
been doubted and criticized and he's lost big games. He's
just the nicest kid in the world. I don't know
how you don't like him. The truly great don't need
to constantly incessantly validate their performance. I mean, Mahomes this
weekend against the Niners runs over a player in the
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end zone for a touchdown. After the game, he jokes
about his dad Bod. He said, yeah, I just got
the best that time, my dad Bod. I love that.
Shoot that into my veins. Lamar Jackson one of the
great Monday night football performances of all time. A dominant play.
I mean, it just insane to me. Five touchdowns, no picks.
You get all the side, you get none of the downside.
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You just smile on the sidelines. Humble kid. You know,
the NBA season starts to night and you'll see these
guys with the too small gesture, and it's like, bro,
you're an off guard. You sometimes come off the bench.
There'll be two hundred and forty points scored in the
night's game. Lebron's been in ten finals. Save the gesture.
It's just another basket. It just doesn't matter. The guy's
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doing the too small So often come up too small
in the playoffs. You ever noticed that too small guy?
Westbrook does that a lot. Too small guy, And that's
why Lamar Jackson is such a perfect player, and that's
why he should be the soul of a franchise. Same
with Mahomes. He cares about the right stuff, the next win,
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the next big play, the next divisional rival. It is
all windshield. It's no rear view mirror, never puntigating about
a moment, romanticizing the past. It's all about scoring and
not celebrating. I mean, this kid is it's He's all
about tomorrow and the next play and winning and competing.
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None of the nonsense you see. And I think we're
very lucky in pro sports because most of the great
players are about that. But Mahomes and Lamar Jackson really
stick out about that. These guys are the world's best
at what they do, and they're incredibly grateful and incredibly humble.
The only time I ever see Lamar Jackson really upset,
really really emotional. You ever notice this when he makes
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the highly infrequent mistake, when he throws the rare interception
or he can't pick up a first down. That's when
he shows emotion. That's when you see it now when
he picks up a first down, I mean he's done
that before, like everybody. But he's just such a humble,
great kid. Twenty three and one against the NFC. They
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can't beat him. They literally cannot beat him. He owns
an entire conference in professional football. Twenty touchdowns, no picks. Grateful,
next win, John Harbaugh said after and think about how
many great players the Ravens have had. He's not sure
he's ever had a kid like this.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I'm proud of him. I'm happy for him. He's a
great leader, and he's a great player, great player. He's
an ultimate competitor. There's no question about it. He's I
don't know if I've seen a better competitor than Lamar Jackson.
And I see I've seen some competitors, you know, lot
some great competitors.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
But he is, he is.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He is in that level with the greatest competitors that
I've ever seen, maybe maybe maybe the greatest we'll see.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Just remarkable. And once again here's Lamar Jackson after always
about the right thing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Chase the sum right now. So each and every game
is gonna be the same thing for me, like we're
gonna be the same person every game. I'm trying to
win a full focus on right now and us just
being five and two already. Matter were just trying to
be one to know each and every week we are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I feel impossible not to like the soul of the franchise.
The NFL is really lucky, I mean really lucky. They're
two biggest stars, Lamar and Patrick Mahomes. Arguably they're two
biggest stars have these qualities. I mean, they really are fortunate.
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All right, let's talk about the other game. I mean,
I got four more minutes to fill here, Arizona seventeen,
Chargers fifteen. Here's my big takeaway. I feel bad for
Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray, even though Kyler won. Justin
Herbert no run game. Shaky o line got Jalen Rager
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fumbling in the end zone. So it was for three
hundred and forty nine yards. I mean, Quentin Johnston, boy,
he was missed, wasn't he We're not even sure he's
not a bust. He wasn't there. He was missed. His
number one target was Will Disley, no run game, three
hundred and forty nine yards. And Kyler Murray, by the way,
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thank god they have one stud James Connor of the
running back just fantastic. But Marvin Harrison seemed disengaged. The
rookie again, what's going on with him? Dropping passes? Not engaged.
That's been hugely disappointing. But between Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray,
it is another referendum. Don't chase money in any profession.
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Chase great ownership, trace chase great management. They're so little
of it. How many awful organizations are there. The Chargers
are better now they got hardball. But I mean Kyler Murray,
he makes Arizona interesting and that's all you can ask for.
If Michael Bidwell owns your team, I mean he makes
them interesting. I mean, now now Herbert finally has the
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right head coach and they have two very good tackles.
Cross their fingers on their health. But I mean there's
a way to play. I'm just stacked the box. Don't
let them run. They have nobody on the outside. Quentin
Johnston looks like a semi bus. They have nobody on
the outside. They can beat you. I mean, there's absolutely
a way to defend the Chargers. And Justin Herbert throwing
for three hundred and forty nine yards, to a tight
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end and that's and it's amazing that he threw for
three and a half football fields and here you have.
I mean, it's thank god James Connor has delivered for Arizona.
The owner doesn't. The front office is hit and miss
coaches they're on another one. I mean, I'm watching these
guys and I'm like, I feel bad for these ke quarterbacks.
And you can say what you want about Kyler Murray
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in the video game. Here's all I know. He's a
great player. But Lamar got Steve Bashatti and John Harbaugh
and the Ravens culture. Now Lamar is better than Kyler
and would succeed at some level anywhere. But Mahomes got
the Hunt family and Andy Reid and Brett Veach and
now Steve Spagnola. I'm not saying if you but Herbert
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and Kyler Kansas City in Baltimore, they would be as good,
but it'd be closer. Justin. Herbert is a lot a
lot more talented than Philip Rivers, But when you watch
his career, it's starting to look like the same trajectory
I felt for those guys. I'm like, like, those two quarterbacks,
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one is the big strapping kid with a huge arm.
The other the smaller guy running around that forty four
yard touchdown. Herbert is doing everything he can to pull
this franchise up a hill and get over it. And
here he is after the loss about the struggling offense.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I thought we did a lot of good things, but
we got to score points in the red zone. That's
the biggest takeaway from today tonight's game. You know, we
got an amazing kicker, but we got to do a
bed job for our defense, for our special teams. We
gotta score points in the red zone.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
By the way, they do have an amazing kicker, they
just don't have amazing receivers and amazing speed and amazing
tight ends an amazingly dependable interior offensive lineman. But they've
got a great kicker, and thankfully they've got Justin Herbert,
and thankfully Arizona has Kyler Murray. Pushback all you want.
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They both make their franchise immeasurably interesting, and sometimes that's
all you're going to get, and that's sometimes, sadly, all
you can hope for. Derek Henry did his thing last night.
He was available for the league. Isn't that amazing? He
was available for the league. I mean you could have
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gotten him for a group on or a cupon. I mean,
the guy was just there for nothing and Baltimore snagged him.
Heard hierarchy fifty minutes from now plus Nick Wright. I
didn't have either side last night. I stayed away from
these two games, did you, by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I'm the idiot who went in front of Mahomes
on Sunday, you know, And then I got in front
of this Ravens train and I just was obliterated.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I'll just say about Herbert, how many tight ends do
they have on the roster?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Colin?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He was throwing like six different tight ends. It felt
like go routes up the sideline to tight ends. I mean,
the Chargers aren't a bad place receiver wise. However, if
you look at the schedule, they're still in positions they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Be fight sty I told you this. If you look
at the AFC division leaders, those are excellent teams. Nine games,
nine wins can get you into the wild card in
the AFC the NFC, the division winners maybe not as good,
but the wild card teams could be Minnesota or Green Bay,
Washington or Philadelphia. Like you could have incredibly. Your wild
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card teams in the NFC are stacked, But in the AFC,
I still think I looked at their schedule this morning.
I think the Chargers make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
They're in play. The middle class of the AFC.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All the teams we thought maybe gonna be fighttys, they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And the AFC has got really good quarterbacks at the top.
But in the middle of the AFC, the quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like we thought Aaron Rodgers would be good, he has
not been good.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
On by edge, who has hurt Anthony Richardson, didn't consistent
and hurt Trevor Lawrence seems to be regressing. So the
top of the AFC quarterbacks coaches teams excellent, really soft
middle and bottom where the NFC now over the last
two years is deeper. The bottom's very small. But the
middle of the NFC, I mean, if Chicago goes eight
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to nine or nine and eight, that's the middle.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, by the way, sounds like they're not going to
face Jadon and Daniels this week. This is a big win,
but you're also seeing some big spreads this week. There
could be three double digit spreads, remember first six weeks
or none they're starting to separate.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Tho.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know, a marathon and you've got the superstars running
out late.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Chicago's one of my favorite plays this week.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't hate that one.
Speaker 9 (12:47):
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Speaker 1 (12:56):
You know, one of the things about sports that I
really love is sort of the construct of it and
how the really smart people in the NFL are constantly
being part of trends and then going into the trends.
Like in the NBA, teams got smaller to defend the three.
You needed twitchy guys that could get outside and defend
the three, and the smart teams, like Denver said, now,
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let's just get bigger. Let's get Gordon Yok. Let's get bigger.
And by the way Minnesota's had success, let's just get bigger.
Dallas last year at the Trading lad Light, Let's get bigger. Well,
the big guys now are dominating the paint, winning the awards,
dominating scoring, So they go the opposite way. So as
this league has gotten faster, the NFL has gotten faster. Right,
it's getting more perimeter. The smart teams are like, now
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let's double down on running because now linebackers are smaller,
safeties are smaller. Here's some of the top rushing teams
in the NFL right now. See if you see a thread, Ravens, Lions, Commanders, Packers, Chiefs.
The running game is having a renaissance, just like the NBA.
Big men now are taking over the league. So what's
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inter thing about Derreck Henry and the Ravens. He is
on pace to break Eric Dickles Dickerson single season rushing
yardage record. He was great last night. Is that we
always think that quarterbacks are the big separator in this league,
but you know, it's ownership in front offices. Baltimore has
an A plus plus plus ownership situation and Dallas is
C to C minus and Derrick Henry both teams needed
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him and both teams could have had him. What was
the smart organization and went and got him Baltimore. It's
like when Tom Brady was available on the market, there
was only a couple of teams after him. Tampa was
Chargers were shouldn't every team not named the Kansas and
he chieves with Mahomes shouldn't have almost every team in
the league been after Tom Brady, he went to Tampa,
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won a Super Bowl. Even when he retired, he was
better than all of about seven guys in the league,
maybe five, but this out you know it just when
you look at the league. Dereck Henry had a very
choppy start to his career. He was on the bench.
He only started four games in two years, so he
kind of looked like he just wasn't he wasn't anything.
It was just like he's just a guy. Since then,
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he's become the best closer in the NFL, not at quarterback,
and because of his size, and again because the NFL's
gotten smaller a little bit in the secondary with safeties
and linebackers. He's like one of these veteran Major League
Baseball pitchers that you know that they get stronger as
the game goes on, like a Justin Verlander or Adam
wayn Wright in their prime, they get stronger as the
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game goes on. Well, Derek Henry seems to get stronger
and faster, and by the time you're in the fourth quarter,
those linebackers and corners in safeties, I'm not sure they
want to lean into tackling Derrick Henry. But I mean,
the kids just incredible. And he was on the market.
He was on the market eight million bucks. Dallas needed
him passed, Baltimore needed him. The better ownership, the smarter
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front office went corraled and paid him. And look at
what it's doing. I mean, Lamar plus Derrick Henry on
third and one, they're getting a first down. They don't
need a toush push. I mean they got this two
headed cyclone of talent. They don't need a touch push.
You're just not stopping him. So a very well run organization,
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by the way, Jerry Jones was asked this morning on
Dallas radio about why his team and we kept pushing
forward to the trade deadline last year. We were on
this thing in the offseason, the trade deadline. We kept saying,
go get Dereck Henry. That needs help. Here was Jerry
this morning.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Derrick Henry is having a career year. I don't know
if he'd be having that career year in our situation.
He's a real good compliment to the type of offense
they run. We don't run that type offense at all.
Derrick Henry didn't fit because principally of managing the cap.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Just what Mike McCarthy wants to hear. You know, he
doesn't fit our offense. If Derrick Henry doesn't fit your offense,
you've got a coaching problem. I mean, seriously, what offense.
The Chargers could use him, the Rams could use him,
everybody in the league. Andy Reid could take him this morning.
What do you mean our offense? We don't know if
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he would. He may not be as good with your offense.
But Dereck Henry, the Cowboys have been running back light
for about three years. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's World Series. We Colin, remember Friday Game one, Dodgers
hosting the Yankees. I'm sure you'll be there front row,
good seats obviously.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's a matchup between the the two best records in baseball,
lots of star power. Five former MVPs are playing in
this game. Dave Roberts believes the series will be epic,
adding what baseball fan, what's sports fan wouldn't want to
lock into this series? Colin, I know you're fired up.
Do you have a lean yet? We talked about it
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a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Probably Dodgers, Although again, if I get too great perform
rmances from Garrett Cole. I think he goes Game one
for the Yankees. That's two w's. So the best pitcher
in this series is Garrett Cole, and so you get
two double us from him. It's an advantage. But I
do feel like if you go look at the lineups,
there are fewer holes. With the Dodgers, you know they
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think they have them. And when Key Ky Hernandez, Tommy Edmunds,
when you're getting that kind of production, I mean we
overlooked Max Munzie because of Bets and joey Otani and
Freddie Freeman. I mean you go one through seven through
that lineup and there's just with the Dodgers there's no
easy outs. Go ask the Mets you got to drop
in six seven runs, there's no easy outs. Whereas you know,
if Aaron Judge is obviously frightening to face, I just
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think the Dodgers. But again, good pitching beats good hitting.
So if Garrett coles money and two starts and goes
and get you leads. Although it seemed like earlier in
the year there were real concerns about the Yankees bullpen,
I don't know if there's concerns are still prevailing, but
earlier in the year that was the big concern about
the Yankees is the back end of their staff and
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the bullpen. If that's an issue, you can't beat the
Dodgers because they score, and they score a lot middle
and late innings.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's this weird thing happening online where you know, a
lot of fans are like, oh, these are just the
big spending teams. They were two and three in payroll,
but like they're also the popular teams right now. And
by popular I mean like jersey sales. Six of the
top twenty jersey sellers are playing in the series. Like,
these are the best players in the league. This is
great for the sport.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All these owners are billionaires. Yeah, the A's owner, the
Fisher family billionaires. Yeah, So you don't spend so you
can get the person that owns the Cincinnati Reds. That's
a billionaire. Okay, maybe the Pittsburgh Pirates owners not. I'm
not sure they don't spend any money. But when I
whenever I hear about, well, the Dodgers, the Dodgers have
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made a decision since they got the Walters group in
nine years ago, is that they know in a very crowded,
distracted market. They're gonna spend money. The Lakers. I mean,
it's you just got you got teams. Vegas is close
to beat shopping mountains. They've gone all in on it.
And and so I mean the Dodgers. You know, I'm
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sure they're profitable, but they are not. They are not
buying another gulf stream the ownership group. They are spending
the money they make with a Dodger.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Can you remember the last offseason, the whole Otani?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Who's gonna get him? Where's he gonna He went from
never playing in the postseason with the Angels to now
World Series. Looking at MVP, I mean, he's been one
of the best players in baseball season.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
People back on players for leaving Nollney. You and I
can do what we do for a longer period of time.
A baseball player gets about seven to eight years of peak,
you know, like twenty three to thirty one. Those are
the peak years you go get yours. Not all ownership
groups are even, not all front offices are equal. You
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got between Detroit over the last ten years and the
Dodgers go to the Dodgers deal with a high California
taxes go play for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I do wonder if we'll see more owners say, you know,
look at the Otani impact on the Dodgers. I know
he's won in a mine. There are still like listen
Soto the Yankees, this guy's gonna comand major major bucks.
I mean, he's one of the best players in baseball.
I'm not everybody should be all in. If you were
an owner and you want to compete, get go, Get
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Soto Friday, seven pm on Fox seven pm Eastern. That
is Yankees Dodgers. Next up, girod Mayo. Listen, I've been
banging this drum for a while, Colon. I think we're
early on this. This dude is in trouble in New England.
After the loss to the Jags, Mayo called his squad
a soft football team and later clarified he thought that
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the team has played soft this season, but can turn
it around. You see that he's already already changed in
his too, and we'll guess what. Bill Belichick won on
the Let's Go podcast and addressed Mayo's comments direct, coach,
have you ever had a soft team?
Speaker 8 (22:03):
You know?
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Look, I think when you when you criticize your team
publicly like that, it doesn't always go over well. Not
every coach has their own style, and you know, maybe
sometimes that can that can be effective and all, but
ultimately I always felt like when the team played bad,
that was my responsibility.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yep, these are all Belichick's guys, basically all I know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Jude illustrated he's but.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Look at the defense. It's fallen off a cliff schematically.
They missed Belichick. Shocker, They missed one of the greatest
coaches in sports history. And they nobody wanted to move
when he went to the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nobody wanted. Bill is more than willing, and I appreciate this.
A lot of ex coaches and ex players. Peyton Manning
has said he doesn't want to necessarily do the game analyzation. Still,
you don't want to criticize players, and I respect that,
even though he's been critical before. But a lot of
these coaches and players, they got all their golfing buddies.
Bill Belichick has no problem out coaches and players, and
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I think it's been very good. I don't think Bill's
a dynamic television presence, but his authenticity and honesty on
this stuff. Bill has been willing to just say this
guy stinks and this guy's good. And I appreciate that
from Belichick. And I've seen a lot of really smart
coaches go on the air and they are protecting their guys.
Belichick won't. Gerard Mayo was one of his favorite players.
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He was a Gerard Mayo guy.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You almost wonder if Belichick got a whiff last season
that Kraft was working behind the scenes with Mayo to
kind of deliver him as the next head Goats and
Belichick's a little ticked off. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, Like,
Belichick is so good at some of this media stuff,
like you said, not pulling punches. I wonder if he
has an appetite to go back to coaching, which is
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a lot of worse.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah you sure, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'd spent a year with Sean Payton, guys like Belichick
and Sean.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Belichick's got the new young girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He's doing all these podcasts. He's living a dream.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, that seems like a forever relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
He's gonna have options. By the way, Jets are seven
point favorites at Mayo and the bakh Jams.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm staying away from that game. Let's avoid you staying
away from the Jets. Is a topic.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Let's avoid it is a topic. Let's avoid watching it.
Let's not bet on these bums. Apparently haws On Redding's
gonna play but whatever. Anyways, final story Colin is the
Minnesota Vikings. They were a penalty away from a potential
game winning field goal that would have kept their undefeated
season going. However, any legal formation penalty pushed them at
a field goal range and they lost their first game
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of the season to the Lions. It was a great game.
Kevin O'Connell spoke about how this small margin of error
is when you're one of the league's top teams.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
You're not gonna, you know, really good teams. You're not
gonna just steamroll through the game and have perfect plays
on every play.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But you better make sure it's them that's.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
Causing, you know, truly some of those things to happen
instead of some of the self inflicted things. Might not
seem like a big deal at the time or when
it is in the game, but that's what kind of
football games I believe are out in front of this team.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, it was a great game between two teams that
could play for the NFC championship. I thought it was
great football.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I you know, I'm the kind of nerd who watches
football and takes notes. I have in my notes that
Sam Darnold took his first snap in the second half
trailing against the Lions this season, Like, I wouldn't overreact
to the loss. You have some good takeaways.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Detroit's also Detroit's the new San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
It sort of feels that way.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, just like eight great players. The difference is
theirs are younger and San Francisco's are getting older and creakier.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So that take dovetails into where I'm going with this.
Vikings at Rams Thursday night, short week.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's all fascinating game because home teams with good coaches
and quarterbacks have an advantage at home. But the fact
they lost, I like Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, now, I'm pretty sure we were the first of
any sports show to mention this. But teams that play
the Lions the next week have lost every game this season. Wow,
they beat you up in the trenches. So now not
only do you play the Lions, but you have a
short week travel across the country to face the Ram. Wow,
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we saw Jared Goff. Remember Brian Flores's blitz rattled every
quarterback this season. You know who wasn't rattled?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Jared Goff.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He was amazing. Well, Matt Stafford's pretty freaking incredible against
the Blitz. I wonder if the Rams are the side
of you. This is an interesting game.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Cock your guy lines at three and a half. At
three and a half, I'm taking the Rams.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah. Good Thursday night favorites have have been very good
this season.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Star quarterbacks at home standalone games this year have been
very good.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And this is isn't this O'Connell's a McVeigh disciple.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I believe, Yeah, mentor mentor versus Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is a great game.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
This is a good Thursday night game. How about this
Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We get this good game? Friday night World Series come
on Saturday. I'm sure there's a couple of million college
for their arms. I got the big ten bets just
now from the producer.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got take take Ohio State in the over baby.
So I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Against Nebraska bad called by the in Nebraska last week.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Just a bit outside.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Herd Line News. I want to read you. I have
four different stories on the San Francisco forty nine ers.
So I'm just gonna read you the headlines. NFL exec
forty nine ers aren't as deep as usual. Kyle Shanahan
appeared to chew out brock Purty after the loss. Brandon
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I you tears, ACL mcl deebo Samuel in hospital. Christian
McCaffrey may return November tenth. The San Francisco forty nine
ers are framed. All right, brock Perty, you want that contract.
This is the moment you want fifty eight million a year,
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steady the ship because you entered San Francisco with everything
right and tight, and now everything is fraying and loose. Yes,
you're under a microscope. You have to prove it's you
and not the organization. You have been carried so far
in the last twelve games, when he's faced more injuries,
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less Christian McCaffrey to hand off to. You want to
know what he is in those twelve games six and
six with a passer rating under eighty eight. That's it.
As many turnovers fourteen as touchdowns, that's who he is.
So the first three seasons, that was the honeymoon phase.
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You've gone from that yacht to the ship is leaking,
and that's the difference. Can you steady the ship? And
this is what I always said, he's a good quarterback.
I see no extraordinary. I watched extraordinary last night. I
watched extraordinary Sunday. I see no extraordinary. He's a good quarterback.
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So now here's the good news. The roster is still strong.
Christian McCaffrey coming back. I like your head coach a lot.
You still get a boast in the pass rush. Fred
Rohner is an amazing linebacker. There's a lot of good here.
There's a lot of wins on the schedule. But that
honeymoon stuff it is over. It is over. Six and
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six last twelve games, as many turnovers as touchdowns. There
is great news though. Dallas is up next. I mean
that that is extraordinary news. I mean we need a layup.
Here comes the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1 (30:32):
So the ratings have been outstanding. People say, hey, you
guys don't talk enough baseball, create great, create urgency. We're
in the National League playoffs were unbelievable and we talked
about it every day. We had guests every other day.
Yankees Dodger is gonna be one for the ages. I'll
take the Dodgers. I think the order Garrett Cole could
be the difference, though, but I think the batting order
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in one, two, six, or seven. I just don't think
there's any holes that they wear you down over the
course of a series. The pressure may come down to
the Yankee bullpen. Can they get outs in the sixth, seven, eighth,
the ninth inning. So what a circus in Dallas. So
Troy Aikman started this, the legendary former Cowboy quarterback now broadcaster, right,
and he goes on the air calling out something that
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should fall on the coach. Coaches don't like to hear
this word soft or lazy. Here's Troy on the Cowboys.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes, and I thought that beyond this year, and
I think Ceed's got to improve and his route running.
I see guys lazy coming off the line of scrimmage.
Sometimes they sometimes they run. Usually if they do, it's
because they're anticipating they're going to get the football in
that play. But if they're not, they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now Mike McCarthy's the head coach, here's his reaction to
Troy Aikman's lazy routes comment.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
They don't carry any weight with me, because you know,
I watch all the tape, I get to go to
the meetings, I'm at practice, I'm part of the games.
So I'm a clear understanding of what and where in
Troy you know statement in particularly, I mean I don't
agree with the word selection.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, so Mike says, you know, Troy's words don't carry
any weight with me. Here's the thing. The owner said, yeah,
they carry weight with me. Here's Jarah.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Troy is credible boy, and should be. And not only that,
you can imagine he's not just interested in taking a
whack at the Cowboys. He's very professional. I think he's
very fair.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I mean, the first thing Jerry Jones says is, boy,
that's a credible source ripping my head coach. That guy
never takes shots. So it's time for our annual head
coach on the hot seat. So there's three levels to this.
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The first level is it's a little toasty, it's a
little warm. The AC went out on this. I would
keep all of these guys. I think the first three
this is warm. The coaching hot seat is warm. Brian Dable,
his problem is every time they're in prime time, they're unwatchable.
They have one touchdown in four home games this season.
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It's not his fault. He's stuck with Daniel Jones. I
would keep him. I think he's an excellent coach. The
second is Cleveland's Kevin Stefanski. I think he's great. Two
time Coaches of the Year, but this is a chaotic,
roller coaster, turbulent franchise. He'd be out of work for
about five minutes. The third is Zach Taylor. I mean,
I'll be honest that Bengals had a losing record in
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five straight years before they hired him. Now, some of
this is just Joe Burrow, but again, this is a
cheap organization. Their defense is bad this year. Why because
they didn't want to spend on safeties. They didn't want
to spend here there. And they're not even paying Jamar
Case yet. They're already they're already peeling off defensive contracts
and they haven't paid Jamar Chase yet or t Higgins.
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So they're cheap. So it's warm, it's toasty. I think
these are all really good coaches. Next up, it's smoking. Yeah,
somebody grab a fire extinguisher. Dennis Allen no playoff appearances
with the Raiders or the Saints. I'm not I mean
it just I don't know if he can build a staff,
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you know, some of it. Drew Brees is gone, Sean
Payton exit stage right, But I just don't see anything
that's special here. I don't think he puts an imprint
on a franchise. What is Dennis Allen? Next is Doug Peterson, Oh, listen,
I was wrong. I thought he was a great fit
down there. Last thirteen games, they're three and ten. More troubling,
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the clear regression of a talented quarterback, Trevor Lawrence. That's
on Doug, who's always been like a nice guy who
runs a little bit of a ship. It looks really loose.
And then the third is Nick Sirianni, who I'm not
sure what he does. He's strange antics. I'm just not
sure what Nick Sirianni does. Also, this worries me. He's
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the only team in the NFL with all their talent
on offense. Philadelphia is the only team in the NFL
without a first quarter point this year. That's brutal because
those are his plays. And then there's a four alarm blaze,
I get out of the house, and that's Mike McCarthy. Yeah,
I mean the fire trucks are parked in the yard,
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get your belongings, get out of here. Four straight home losses.
They can't compete with the good teams. They get blown
out at home. You know, some of it, as Micah Parsons,
DeMarcus Lawrence have been banged up. They've been banged up
on the back end, but you know, again he's the
hot his clock management. The other thing, you know, I've
said this before is I obviously couldn't run a major corporation.
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And the longer let's let's say to tomorrow, uh you
give me Microsoft, You wouldn't notice in the first day
or week that I didn't know what I was doing,
But the longer I was there, maybe six weeks, I'd
be making really bad decisions. So you can fool people
for a while. You see this all the time in
college football, where a legendary coach leaves, they hire his assistant,
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and for like a year they're still really good, and
then by year two you see a little regression. Year three,
it's a mess. You can fool people for a long
time if you take over a program with inertia and
momentum and good players. But I mean it doesn't take long.
Brady leaves the Patriots. First year, you're like, well, I
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mean they're still well coached. Second year, you're like they're
just kind of fraying. Third year you're like, you Belichick
needs Brady or he can't win like so you can
fool people. So if you go look at Mike McCarthy
in both Green Bay and Dallas, here's the troubling thing.
The longer he's at both places, the looser, the puffier,
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the softer they get, and so when and this is
something Troy Aikman and other broadcasters have pointed out, either
publicly and privately, his teams are a little loose on
the details, Like when they go for it on that
fourth down with seventeen seconds left against San Francisco. It's
just not something an Andy Reid team would do. And
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this is often the difference between a solid coach and
a great coach is the details. You go to Belichick
in his prime, they were great on the details. Julian
Edelman talking about that yesterday. Andy Reid great on the details.
Baltimore with hardball, Michigan with Jim Harball. Great coaches have
it all buttoned up. That's I mean. Great coaches can
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have bad years. The Rams have had cluster injuries, Christian
McCaffrey gone for the Niners. I mean, it's not easy
to win in this league. But in both Green Bay
and Dallas, the longer Mike is around the looser it gets.
They need to fasten up the bolts on this thing,
the lugnuts. It's just kind of loose. And that's why
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when Akman says that, what he's inferring to is they're
sloppily coached, they're sloppily coached. Play the Jerry Jones bite again.
So Aikman is they're lazy, McCarthy is. His words don't
carry any weight. I mean, listen how Jerry frames this
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and elevates Aikman over Mike.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Troy's credible, boy, and should be. And not only that,
you can imagine he's not just interested in taking a
whack at the cowboys. He's very professional. I think he's
very fair.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I mean, Jerry took a side there. It wasn't Mike McCarthy's.
He took a side. It wasn't subtle, it wasn't nuanced.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
First thing Jay says about Akman's comment, Boy, that was credible.
He is a very good broadcaster. He is really credible.
He doesn't take shots. I mean that, come on, that's
not even that's not even subtle. So I think the uh,
the fire trucks have arrived at the McCarthy house. Grab
your grab the assets get outside, I think, I think
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he's in big trouble. And this is like the second
third time Jerry's done this over the course of a week.
Of taking somebody else's side in the criticism of his coach.
You would, I mean, listen, even if you doubted your
coach as an owner, you kind of take the side
of your coach. Jerry's like not interested in that.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
At all at all.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Heard hierarchy. You see, if bruck Perdy can wedge his
niners into the top ten, such a standard. Next
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try to top next week. Well, you know, I love
Lamar Jackson. There's a million reasons I love it, and
I actually think he's the best football player on the planet.
I don't think he's the best quarterback yet, but I
do think he's like half running back half quarterback. I
think he just adds elements we've never seen before. Hit
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eight different targets last night. If his tight end could catch,
he would have had nine different targets.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He was decent last night.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He was decentry. Twenty seven year old Lamar Jackson. We
live in a world where young people maybe I did
this when I was young. It's the constant need for affirmation.
They go to TikTok. I can mimic the stand up comedian.
I can dance to somebody else's song. I can sing
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somebody else's song look at me. Or every replaceable number
four receiver on every team gets a first down and
they have to stand up in point. And then there's
Lamar Jackson, probably the world's best football talent. Five touchdown passes,
no picks. On Monday Night football, he has twenty touchdown passes,
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no interceptions, out running the fastest linebacker you have and
often the fastest say and corner, another touchdown, another Ravens win.
And then he goes back to the sideline, takes his
helmet off, puts his hand in his gear, and he's smiling.
He's always around somebody on the team, and he's laughing.
He's asking questions, humble, not seeking affirmation, not seeking validation.
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That's the thing when you're really successful, it's really really
hard and takes you ever to be successful. And he's
been doubted and criticized and he's lost big games. He's
just the nicest kid in the world. I don't know
how you don't like him. The truly great don't need
to constantly incessantly validate their performance. I mean, Mahomes this
weekend against the Niners runs over a player in the
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end zone for a touchdown. After the game, he jokes
about his dad Bod. He said, yeah, I just got
the best that time, my dad Bod. I love that.
Shoot that into my veins. Lamar Jackson one of the
great Monday night football performances of all time. A dominant play.
I mean, it just insane to me. Five touchdowns, no picks.
You get all the side, you get none of the downside.
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You just smile on the sidelines. Humble kid. You know,
the NBA season starts to night and you'll see these
guys with the too small gesture, and it's like, bro,
you're an off guard. You sometimes come off the bench.
There'll be two hundred and forty points scored in the
night's game. Lebron's been in ten finals. Save the gesture.
It's just another basket. It just doesn't matter. The guy's
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doing the too small So often come up too small
in the playoffs. You ever noticed that too small guy?
Westbrook does that a lot. Too small guy, And that's
why Lamar Jackson is such a perfect player, and that's
why he should be the soul of a franchise. Same
with Mahomes. He cares about the right stuff, the next win,
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the next big play, the next divisional rival. It is
all windshield. It's no rear view mirror, never puntigating about
a moment, romanticizing the past. It's all about scoring and
not celebrating. I mean, this kid is it's He's all
about tomorrow and the next play and winning and competing.
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None of the nonsense you see. And I think we're
very lucky in pro sports because most of the great
players are about that. But Mahomes and Lamar Jackson really
stick out about that. These guys are the world's best
at what they do, and they're incredibly grateful and incredibly humble.
The only time I ever see Lamar Jackson really upset,
really really emotional. You ever notice this when he makes
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the highly infrequent mistake, when he throws the rare interception
or he can't pick up a first down. That's when
he shows emotion. That's when you see it now when
he picks up a first down, I mean he's done
that before, like everybody. But he's just such a humble,
great kid. Twenty three and one against the NFC. They
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can't beat him. They literally cannot beat him. He owns
an entire conference in professional football. Twenty touchdowns, no picks. Grateful,
next win, John Harbaugh said after and think about how
many great players the Ravens have had. He's not sure
he's ever had a kid like this.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I'm proud of him. I'm happy for him. He's a
great leader, and he's a great player, great player. He's
an ultimate competitor. There's no question about it. He's I
don't know if I've seen a better competitor than Lamar Jackson.
And I see I've seen some competitors, you know, lot
some great competitors.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
But he is, he is.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He is in that level with the greatest competitors that
I've ever seen, maybe maybe maybe the greatest we'll see.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Just remarkable. And once again here's Lamar Jackson after always
about the right thing.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Chase the sum right now. So each and every game
is gonna be the same thing for me, like we're
gonna be the same person every game. I'm trying to
win a full focus on right now and us just
being five and two already. Matter were just trying to
be one to know each and every week we are doing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I feel impossible not to like the soul of the franchise.
The NFL is really lucky, I mean really lucky. They're
two biggest stars, Lamar and Patrick Mahomes. Arguably they're two
biggest stars have these qualities. I mean, they really are fortunate.
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All right, let's talk about the other game. I mean,
I got four more minutes to fill here, Arizona seventeen,
Chargers fifteen. Here's my big takeaway. I feel bad for
Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray, even though Kyler won. Justin
Herbert no run game. Shaky o line got Jalen Rager
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fumbling in the end zone. So it was for three
hundred and forty nine yards. I mean, Quentin Johnston, boy,
he was missed, wasn't he We're not even sure he's
not a bust. He wasn't there. He was missed. His
number one target was Will Disley, no run game, three
hundred and forty nine yards. And Kyler Murray, by the way,
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thank god they have one stud James Connor of the
running back just fantastic. But Marvin Harrison seemed disengaged. The
rookie again, what's going on with him? Dropping passes? Not engaged.
That's been hugely disappointing. But between Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray,
it is another referendum. Don't chase money in any profession.
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Chase great ownership, trace chase great management. They're so little
of it. How many awful organizations are there. The Chargers
are better now they got hardball. But I mean Kyler Murray,
he makes Arizona interesting and that's all you can ask for.
If Michael Bidwell owns your team, I mean he makes
them interesting. I mean, now now Herbert finally has the
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right head coach and they have two very good tackles.
Cross their fingers on their health. But I mean there's
a way to play. I'm just stacked the box. Don't
let them run. They have nobody on the outside. Quentin
Johnston looks like a semi bus. They have nobody on
the outside. They can beat you. I mean, there's absolutely
a way to defend the Chargers. And Justin Herbert throwing
for three hundred and forty nine yards, to a tight
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end and that's and it's amazing that he threw for
three and a half football fields and here you have.
I mean, it's thank god James Connor has delivered for Arizona.
The owner doesn't. The front office is hit and miss
coaches they're on another one. I mean, I'm watching these
guys and I'm like, I feel bad for these ke quarterbacks.
And you can say what you want about Kyler Murray
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in the video game. Here's all I know. He's a
great player. But Lamar got Steve Bashatti and John Harbaugh
and the Ravens culture. Now Lamar is better than Kyler
and would succeed at some level anywhere. But Mahomes got
the Hunt family and Andy Reid and Brett Veach and
now Steve Spagnola. I'm not saying if you but Herbert
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and Kyler Kansas City in Baltimore, they would be as good,
but it'd be closer. Justin. Herbert is a lot a
lot more talented than Philip Rivers, But when you watch
his career, it's starting to look like the same trajectory
I felt for those guys. I'm like, like, those two quarterbacks,
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one is the big strapping kid with a huge arm.
The other the smaller guy running around that forty four
yard touchdown. Herbert is doing everything he can to pull
this franchise up a hill and get over it. And
here he is after the loss about the struggling offense.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I thought we did a lot of good things, but
we got to score points in the red zone. That's
the biggest takeaway from today tonight's game. You know, we
got an amazing kicker, but we got to do a
bed job for our defense, for our special teams. We
gotta score points in the red zone.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
By the way, they do have an amazing kicker, they
just don't have amazing receivers and amazing speed and amazing
tight ends an amazingly dependable interior offensive lineman. But they've
got a great kicker, and thankfully they've got Justin Herbert,
and thankfully Arizona has Kyler Murray. Pushback all you want.
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They both make their franchise immeasurably interesting, and sometimes that's
all you're going to get, and that's sometimes, sadly, all
you can hope for. Derek Henry did his thing last night.
He was available for the league. Isn't that amazing? He
was available for the league. I mean you could have
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gotten him for a group on or a cupon. I mean,
the guy was just there for nothing and Baltimore snagged him.
Heard hierarchy fifty minutes from now plus Nick Wright. I
didn't have either side last night. I stayed away from
these two games, did you, by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I'm the idiot who went in front of Mahomes
on Sunday, you know, And then I got in front
of this Ravens train and I just was obliterated.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I'll just say about Herbert, how many tight ends do
they have on the roster?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Colin?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He was throwing like six different tight ends. It felt
like go routes up the sideline to tight ends. I mean,
the Chargers aren't a bad place receiver wise. However, if
you look at the schedule, they're still in positions they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Be fight sty I told you this. If you look
at the AFC division leaders, those are excellent teams. Nine games,
nine wins can get you into the wild card in
the AFC the NFC, the division winners maybe not as good,
but the wild card teams could be Minnesota or Green Bay,
Washington or Philadelphia. Like you could have incredibly. Your wild
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card teams in the NFC are stacked, But in the AFC,
I still think I looked at their schedule this morning.
I think the Chargers make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
They're in play. The middle class of the AFC.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All the teams we thought maybe gonna be fighttys, they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And the AFC has got really good quarterbacks at the top.
But in the middle of the AFC, the quarterback play.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like we thought Aaron Rodgers would be good, he has
not been good.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
On by edge, who has hurt Anthony Richardson, didn't consistent
and hurt Trevor Lawrence seems to be regressing. So the
top of the AFC quarterbacks coaches teams excellent, really soft
middle and bottom where the NFC now over the last
two years is deeper. The bottom's very small. But the
middle of the NFC, I mean, if Chicago goes eight
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to nine or nine and eight, that's the middle.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, by the way, sounds like they're not going to
face Jadon and Daniels this week. This is a big win,
but you're also seeing some big spreads this week. There
could be three double digit spreads, remember first six weeks
or none they're starting to separate.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Tho.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know, a marathon and you've got the superstars running
out late.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Chicago's one of my favorite plays this week.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't hate that one.
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Speaker 1 (12:56):
You know, one of the things about sports that I
really love is sort of the construct of it and
how the really smart people in the NFL are constantly
being part of trends and then going into the trends.
Like in the NBA, teams got smaller to defend the three.
You needed twitchy guys that could get outside and defend
the three, and the smart teams, like Denver said, now,
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let's just get bigger. Let's get Gordon Yok. Let's get bigger.
And by the way Minnesota's had success, let's just get bigger.
Dallas last year at the Trading lad Light, Let's get bigger. Well,
the big guys now are dominating the paint, winning the awards,
dominating scoring, So they go the opposite way. So as
this league has gotten faster, the NFL has gotten faster. Right,
it's getting more perimeter. The smart teams are like, now
(13:39):
let's double down on running because now linebackers are smaller,
safeties are smaller. Here's some of the top rushing teams
in the NFL right now. See if you see a thread, Ravens, Lions, Commanders, Packers, Chiefs.
The running game is having a renaissance, just like the NBA.
Big men now are taking over the league. So what's
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inter thing about Derreck Henry and the Ravens. He is
on pace to break Eric Dickles Dickerson single season rushing
yardage record. He was great last night. Is that we
always think that quarterbacks are the big separator in this league,
but you know, it's ownership in front offices. Baltimore has
an A plus plus plus ownership situation and Dallas is
C to C minus and Derrick Henry both teams needed
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him and both teams could have had him. What was
the smart organization and went and got him Baltimore. It's
like when Tom Brady was available on the market, there
was only a couple of teams after him. Tampa was
Chargers were shouldn't every team not named the Kansas and
he chieves with Mahomes shouldn't have almost every team in
the league been after Tom Brady, he went to Tampa,
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won a Super Bowl. Even when he retired, he was
better than all of about seven guys in the league,
maybe five, but this out you know it just when
you look at the league. Dereck Henry had a very
choppy start to his career. He was on the bench.
He only started four games in two years, so he
kind of looked like he just wasn't he wasn't anything.
It was just like he's just a guy. Since then,
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he's become the best closer in the NFL, not at quarterback,
and because of his size, and again because the NFL's
gotten smaller a little bit in the secondary with safeties
and linebackers. He's like one of these veteran Major League
Baseball pitchers that you know that they get stronger as
the game goes on, like a Justin Verlander or Adam
wayn Wright in their prime, they get stronger as the
(15:27):
game goes on. Well, Derek Henry seems to get stronger
and faster, and by the time you're in the fourth quarter,
those linebackers and corners in safeties, I'm not sure they
want to lean into tackling Derrick Henry. But I mean,
the kids just incredible. And he was on the market.
He was on the market eight million bucks. Dallas needed
him passed, Baltimore needed him. The better ownership, the smarter
(15:49):
front office went corraled and paid him. And look at
what it's doing. I mean, Lamar plus Derrick Henry on
third and one, they're getting a first down. They don't
need a toush push. I mean they got this two
headed cyclone of talent. They don't need a touch push.
You're just not stopping him. So a very well run organization,
(16:09):
by the way, Jerry Jones was asked this morning on
Dallas radio about why his team and we kept pushing
forward to the trade deadline last year. We were on
this thing in the offseason, the trade deadline. We kept saying,
go get Dereck Henry. That needs help. Here was Jerry
this morning.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Derrick Henry is having a career year. I don't know
if he'd be having that career year in our situation.
He's a real good compliment to the type of offense
they run. We don't run that type offense at all.
Derrick Henry didn't fit because principally of managing the cap.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Just what Mike McCarthy wants to hear. You know, he
doesn't fit our offense. If Derrick Henry doesn't fit your offense,
you've got a coaching problem. I mean, seriously, what offense.
The Chargers could use him, the Rams could use him,
everybody in the league. Andy Reid could take him this morning.
What do you mean our offense? We don't know if
(17:06):
he would. He may not be as good with your offense.
But Dereck Henry, the Cowboys have been running back light
for about three years. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's World Series. We Colin, remember Friday Game one, Dodgers
hosting the Yankees. I'm sure you'll be there front row,
good seats obviously.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's a matchup between the the two best records in baseball,
lots of star power. Five former MVPs are playing in
this game. Dave Roberts believes the series will be epic,
adding what baseball fan, what's sports fan wouldn't want to
lock into this series? Colin, I know you're fired up.
Do you have a lean yet? We talked about it
(17:55):
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Probably Dodgers, Although again, if I get too great perform
rmances from Garrett Cole. I think he goes Game one
for the Yankees. That's two w's. So the best pitcher
in this series is Garrett Cole, and so you get
two double us from him. It's an advantage. But I
do feel like if you go look at the lineups,
there are fewer holes. With the Dodgers, you know they
(18:18):
think they have them. And when Key Ky Hernandez, Tommy Edmunds,
when you're getting that kind of production, I mean we
overlooked Max Munzie because of Bets and joey Otani and
Freddie Freeman. I mean you go one through seven through
that lineup and there's just with the Dodgers there's no
easy outs. Go ask the Mets you got to drop
in six seven runs, there's no easy outs. Whereas you know,
if Aaron Judge is obviously frightening to face, I just
(18:42):
think the Dodgers. But again, good pitching beats good hitting.
So if Garrett coles money and two starts and goes
and get you leads. Although it seemed like earlier in
the year there were real concerns about the Yankees bullpen,
I don't know if there's concerns are still prevailing, but
earlier in the year that was the big concern about
the Yankees is the back end of their staff and
(19:03):
the bullpen. If that's an issue, you can't beat the
Dodgers because they score, and they score a lot middle
and late innings.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's this weird thing happening online where you know, a
lot of fans are like, oh, these are just the
big spending teams. They were two and three in payroll,
but like they're also the popular teams right now. And
by popular I mean like jersey sales. Six of the
top twenty jersey sellers are playing in the series. Like,
these are the best players in the league. This is
great for the sport.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All these owners are billionaires. Yeah, the A's owner, the
Fisher family billionaires. Yeah, So you don't spend so you
can get the person that owns the Cincinnati Reds. That's
a billionaire. Okay, maybe the Pittsburgh Pirates owners not. I'm
not sure they don't spend any money. But when I
whenever I hear about, well, the Dodgers, the Dodgers have
(19:51):
made a decision since they got the Walters group in
nine years ago, is that they know in a very crowded,
distracted market. They're gonna spend money. The Lakers. I mean,
it's you just got you got teams. Vegas is close
to beat shopping mountains. They've gone all in on it.
And and so I mean the Dodgers. You know, I'm
(20:14):
sure they're profitable, but they are not. They are not
buying another gulf stream the ownership group. They are spending
the money they make with a Dodger.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Can you remember the last offseason, the whole Otani?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Who's gonna get him? Where's he gonna He went from
never playing in the postseason with the Angels to now
World Series. Looking at MVP, I mean, he's been one
of the best players in baseball season.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
People back on players for leaving Nollney. You and I
can do what we do for a longer period of time.
A baseball player gets about seven to eight years of peak,
you know, like twenty three to thirty one. Those are
the peak years you go get yours. Not all ownership
groups are even, not all front offices are equal. You
(20:59):
got between Detroit over the last ten years and the
Dodgers go to the Dodgers deal with a high California
taxes go play for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I do wonder if we'll see more owners say, you know,
look at the Otani impact on the Dodgers. I know
he's won in a mine. There are still like listen
Soto the Yankees, this guy's gonna comand major major bucks.
I mean, he's one of the best players in baseball.
I'm not everybody should be all in. If you were
an owner and you want to compete, get go, Get
(21:28):
Soto Friday, seven pm on Fox seven pm Eastern. That
is Yankees Dodgers. Next up, girod Mayo. Listen, I've been
banging this drum for a while, Colon. I think we're
early on this. This dude is in trouble in New England.
After the loss to the Jags, Mayo called his squad
a soft football team and later clarified he thought that
(21:48):
the team has played soft this season, but can turn
it around. You see that he's already already changed in
his too, and we'll guess what. Bill Belichick won on
the Let's Go podcast and addressed Mayo's comments direct, coach,
have you ever had a soft team?
Speaker 8 (22:03):
You know?
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Look, I think when you when you criticize your team
publicly like that, it doesn't always go over well. Not
every coach has their own style, and you know, maybe
sometimes that can that can be effective and all, but
ultimately I always felt like when the team played bad,
that was my responsibility.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yep, these are all Belichick's guys, basically all I know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Jude illustrated he's but.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Look at the defense. It's fallen off a cliff schematically.
They missed Belichick. Shocker, They missed one of the greatest
coaches in sports history. And they nobody wanted to move
when he went to the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nobody wanted. Bill is more than willing, and I appreciate this.
A lot of ex coaches and ex players. Peyton Manning
has said he doesn't want to necessarily do the game analyzation. Still,
you don't want to criticize players, and I respect that,
even though he's been critical before. But a lot of
these coaches and players, they got all their golfing buddies.
Bill Belichick has no problem out coaches and players, and
(23:02):
I think it's been very good. I don't think Bill's
a dynamic television presence, but his authenticity and honesty on
this stuff. Bill has been willing to just say this
guy stinks and this guy's good. And I appreciate that
from Belichick. And I've seen a lot of really smart
coaches go on the air and they are protecting their guys.
Belichick won't. Gerard Mayo was one of his favorite players.
(23:24):
He was a Gerard Mayo guy.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You almost wonder if Belichick got a whiff last season
that Kraft was working behind the scenes with Mayo to
kind of deliver him as the next head Goats and
Belichick's a little ticked off. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, Like,
Belichick is so good at some of this media stuff,
like you said, not pulling punches. I wonder if he
has an appetite to go back to coaching, which is
(23:46):
a lot of worse.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah you sure, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'd spent a year with Sean Payton, guys like Belichick
and Sean.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Belichick's got the new young girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
He's doing all these podcasts. He's living a dream.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, that seems like a forever relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
He's gonna have options. By the way, Jets are seven
point favorites at Mayo and the bakh Jams.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm staying away from that game. Let's avoid you staying
away from the Jets. Is a topic.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Let's avoid it is a topic. Let's avoid watching it.
Let's not bet on these bums. Apparently haws On Redding's
gonna play but whatever. Anyways, final story Colin is the
Minnesota Vikings. They were a penalty away from a potential
game winning field goal that would have kept their undefeated
season going. However, any legal formation penalty pushed them at
a field goal range and they lost their first game
(24:29):
of the season to the Lions. It was a great game.
Kevin O'Connell spoke about how this small margin of error
is when you're one of the league's top teams.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
You're not gonna, you know, really good teams. You're not
gonna just steamroll through the game and have perfect plays
on every play.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But you better make sure it's them that's.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
Causing, you know, truly some of those things to happen
instead of some of the self inflicted things. Might not
seem like a big deal at the time or when
it is in the game, but that's what kind of
football games I believe are out in front of this team.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, it was a great game between two teams that
could play for the NFC championship. I thought it was
great football.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I you know, I'm the kind of nerd who watches
football and takes notes. I have in my notes that
Sam Darnold took his first snap in the second half
trailing against the Lions this season, Like, I wouldn't overreact
to the loss. You have some good takeaways.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Detroit's also Detroit's the new San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
It sort of feels that way.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, just like eight great players. The difference is
theirs are younger and San Francisco's are getting older and creakier.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So that take dovetails into where I'm going with this.
Vikings at Rams Thursday night, short week.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's all fascinating game because home teams with good coaches
and quarterbacks have an advantage at home. But the fact
they lost, I like Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay, now, I'm pretty sure we were the first of
any sports show to mention this. But teams that play
the Lions the next week have lost every game this season. Wow,
they beat you up in the trenches. So now not
only do you play the Lions, but you have a
short week travel across the country to face the Ram. Wow,
(26:09):
we saw Jared Goff. Remember Brian Flores's blitz rattled every
quarterback this season. You know who wasn't rattled?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Jared Goff.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He was amazing. Well, Matt Stafford's pretty freaking incredible against
the Blitz. I wonder if the Rams are the side
of you. This is an interesting game.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Cock your guy lines at three and a half. At
three and a half, I'm taking the Rams.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah. Good Thursday night favorites have have been very good
this season.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Star quarterbacks at home standalone games this year have been
very good.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And this is isn't this O'Connell's a McVeigh disciple.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I believe, Yeah, mentor mentor versus Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is a great game.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
This is a good Thursday night game. How about this
Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We get this good game? Friday night World Series come
on Saturday. I'm sure there's a couple of million college
for their arms. I got the big ten bets just
now from the producer.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got take take Ohio State in the over baby.
So I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Against Nebraska bad called by the in Nebraska last week.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Just a bit outside.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Herd Line News. I want to read you. I have
four different stories on the San Francisco forty nine ers.
So I'm just gonna read you the headlines. NFL exec
forty nine ers aren't as deep as usual. Kyle Shanahan
appeared to chew out brock Purty after the loss. Brandon
(27:32):
I you tears, ACL mcl deebo Samuel in hospital. Christian
McCaffrey may return November tenth. The San Francisco forty nine
ers are framed. All right, brock Perty, you want that contract.
This is the moment you want fifty eight million a year,
(27:54):
steady the ship because you entered San Francisco with everything
right and tight, and now everything is fraying and loose. Yes,
you're under a microscope. You have to prove it's you
and not the organization. You have been carried so far
in the last twelve games, when he's faced more injuries,
(28:17):
less Christian McCaffrey to hand off to. You want to
know what he is in those twelve games six and
six with a passer rating under eighty eight. That's it.
As many turnovers fourteen as touchdowns, that's who he is.
So the first three seasons, that was the honeymoon phase.
(28:39):
You've gone from that yacht to the ship is leaking,
and that's the difference. Can you steady the ship? And
this is what I always said, he's a good quarterback.
I see no extraordinary. I watched extraordinary last night. I
watched extraordinary Sunday. I see no extraordinary. He's a good quarterback.
(29:01):
So now here's the good news. The roster is still strong.
Christian McCaffrey coming back. I like your head coach a lot.
You still get a boast in the pass rush. Fred
Rohner is an amazing linebacker. There's a lot of good here.
There's a lot of wins on the schedule. But that
honeymoon stuff it is over. It is over. Six and
(29:23):
six last twelve games, as many turnovers as touchdowns. There
is great news though. Dallas is up next. I mean
that that is extraordinary news. I mean we need a layup.
Here comes the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
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Speaker 7 (29:49):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
First time since nineteen fifty six of the home run
champions facing off from the World Series.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
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Speaker 1 (30:32):
So the ratings have been outstanding. People say, hey, you
guys don't talk enough baseball, create great, create urgency. We're
in the National League playoffs were unbelievable and we talked
about it every day. We had guests every other day.
Yankees Dodger is gonna be one for the ages. I'll
take the Dodgers. I think the order Garrett Cole could
be the difference, though, but I think the batting order
(30:53):
in one, two, six, or seven. I just don't think
there's any holes that they wear you down over the
course of a series. The pressure may come down to
the Yankee bullpen. Can they get outs in the sixth, seven, eighth,
the ninth inning. So what a circus in Dallas. So
Troy Aikman started this, the legendary former Cowboy quarterback now broadcaster, right,
and he goes on the air calling out something that
(31:14):
should fall on the coach. Coaches don't like to hear
this word soft or lazy. Here's Troy on the Cowboys.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes, and I thought that beyond this year, and
I think Ceed's got to improve and his route running.
I see guys lazy coming off the line of scrimmage.
Sometimes they sometimes they run. Usually if they do, it's
because they're anticipating they're going to get the football in
that play. But if they're not, they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now Mike McCarthy's the head coach, here's his reaction to
Troy Aikman's lazy routes comment.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
They don't carry any weight with me, because you know,
I watch all the tape, I get to go to
the meetings, I'm at practice, I'm part of the games.
So I'm a clear understanding of what and where in
Troy you know statement in particularly, I mean I don't
agree with the word selection.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, so Mike says, you know, Troy's words don't carry
any weight with me. Here's the thing. The owner said, yeah,
they carry weight with me. Here's Jarah.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Troy is credible boy, and should be. And not only that,
you can imagine he's not just interested in taking a
whack at the Cowboys. He's very professional. I think he's
very fair.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I mean, the first thing Jerry Jones says is, boy,
that's a credible source ripping my head coach. That guy
never takes shots. So it's time for our annual head
coach on the hot seat. So there's three levels to this.
(33:03):
The first level is it's a little toasty, it's a
little warm. The AC went out on this. I would
keep all of these guys. I think the first three
this is warm. The coaching hot seat is warm. Brian Dable,
his problem is every time they're in prime time, they're unwatchable.
They have one touchdown in four home games this season.
(33:25):
It's not his fault. He's stuck with Daniel Jones. I
would keep him. I think he's an excellent coach. The
second is Cleveland's Kevin Stefanski. I think he's great. Two
time Coaches of the Year, but this is a chaotic,
roller coaster, turbulent franchise. He'd be out of work for
about five minutes. The third is Zach Taylor. I mean,
I'll be honest that Bengals had a losing record in
(33:47):
five straight years before they hired him. Now, some of
this is just Joe Burrow, but again, this is a
cheap organization. Their defense is bad this year. Why because
they didn't want to spend on safeties. They didn't want
to spend here there. And they're not even paying Jamar
Case yet. They're already they're already peeling off defensive contracts
and they haven't paid Jamar Chase yet or t Higgins.
(34:10):
So they're cheap. So it's warm, it's toasty. I think
these are all really good coaches. Next up, it's smoking. Yeah,
somebody grab a fire extinguisher. Dennis Allen no playoff appearances
with the Raiders or the Saints. I'm not I mean
it just I don't know if he can build a staff,
(34:31):
you know, some of it. Drew Brees is gone, Sean
Payton exit stage right, But I just don't see anything
that's special here. I don't think he puts an imprint
on a franchise. What is Dennis Allen? Next is Doug Peterson, Oh, listen,
I was wrong. I thought he was a great fit
down there. Last thirteen games, they're three and ten. More troubling,
(34:52):
the clear regression of a talented quarterback, Trevor Lawrence. That's
on Doug, who's always been like a nice guy who
runs a little bit of a ship. It looks really loose.
And then the third is Nick Sirianni, who I'm not
sure what he does. He's strange antics. I'm just not
sure what Nick Sirianni does. Also, this worries me. He's
(35:12):
the only team in the NFL with all their talent
on offense. Philadelphia is the only team in the NFL
without a first quarter point this year. That's brutal because
those are his plays. And then there's a four alarm blaze,
I get out of the house, and that's Mike McCarthy. Yeah,
I mean the fire trucks are parked in the yard,
(35:34):
get your belongings, get out of here. Four straight home losses.
They can't compete with the good teams. They get blown
out at home. You know, some of it, as Micah Parsons,
DeMarcus Lawrence have been banged up. They've been banged up
on the back end, but you know, again he's the
hot his clock management. The other thing, you know, I've
said this before is I obviously couldn't run a major corporation.
(35:58):
And the longer let's let's say to tomorrow, uh you
give me Microsoft, You wouldn't notice in the first day
or week that I didn't know what I was doing,
But the longer I was there, maybe six weeks, I'd
be making really bad decisions. So you can fool people
for a while. You see this all the time in
college football, where a legendary coach leaves, they hire his assistant,
(36:23):
and for like a year they're still really good, and
then by year two you see a little regression. Year three,
it's a mess. You can fool people for a long
time if you take over a program with inertia and
momentum and good players. But I mean it doesn't take long.
Brady leaves the Patriots. First year, you're like, well, I
(36:44):
mean they're still well coached. Second year, you're like they're
just kind of fraying. Third year you're like, you Belichick
needs Brady or he can't win like so you can
fool people. So if you go look at Mike McCarthy
in both Green Bay and Dallas, here's the troubling thing.
The longer he's at both places, the looser, the puffier,
(37:09):
the softer they get, and so when and this is
something Troy Aikman and other broadcasters have pointed out, either
publicly and privately, his teams are a little loose on
the details, Like when they go for it on that
fourth down with seventeen seconds left against San Francisco. It's
just not something an Andy Reid team would do. And
(37:29):
this is often the difference between a solid coach and
a great coach is the details. You go to Belichick
in his prime, they were great on the details. Julian
Edelman talking about that yesterday. Andy Reid great on the details.
Baltimore with hardball, Michigan with Jim Harball. Great coaches have
it all buttoned up. That's I mean. Great coaches can
(37:49):
have bad years. The Rams have had cluster injuries, Christian
McCaffrey gone for the Niners. I mean, it's not easy
to win in this league. But in both Green Bay
and Dallas, the longer Mike is around the looser it gets.
They need to fasten up the bolts on this thing,
the lugnuts. It's just kind of loose. And that's why
(38:10):
when Akman says that, what he's inferring to is they're
sloppily coached, they're sloppily coached. Play the Jerry Jones bite again.
So Aikman is they're lazy, McCarthy is. His words don't
carry any weight. I mean, listen how Jerry frames this
(38:30):
and elevates Aikman over Mike.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Troy's credible, boy, and should be. And not only that,
you can imagine he's not just interested in taking a
whack at the cowboys. He's very professional. I think he's
very fair.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I mean, Jerry took a side there. It wasn't Mike McCarthy's.
He took a side. It wasn't subtle, it wasn't nuanced.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
First thing Jay says about Akman's comment, Boy, that was credible.
He is a very good broadcaster. He is really credible.
He doesn't take shots. I mean that, come on, that's
not even that's not even subtle. So I think the uh,
the fire trucks have arrived at the McCarthy house. Grab
your grab the assets get outside, I think, I think
(39:22):
he's in big trouble. And this is like the second
third time Jerry's done this over the course of a week.
Of taking somebody else's side in the criticism of his coach.
You would, I mean, listen, even if you doubted your
coach as an owner, you kind of take the side
of your coach. Jerry's like not interested in that.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
At all at all.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Heard hierarchy. You see, if bruck Perdy can wedge his
niners into the top ten, such a standard. Next
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