October 24, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin discusses the "distractions" the Cowboys are constantly facing because of Jerry Jones' emphasis on raising the brand of the team instead of winning
He finds it strange Davante Adams is trying to be a leader for the Jets by giving speeches even though he just got there
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a second. Drew Brees also stops by today. So I
have a believer Jmac that there are certain personalities that
are better fits with you know, certain job. If you
want to be in sales, for instance, you're probably being
better as an extrovert, not an introvert. If you want
to be in finance or accounting, you've got to be
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really into details. You can't be kind of loose on that.
So there are certain personalities that matter. Can you agree
with that yeah, all right. So I think the personality
to be a great NFL GM and to be a
great visionary and marketer are two different personalities. And this
morning I'm reading a piece on ESPN about Jerry Jones
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and his practice facility, which is viewed as the best
in the league, but it is also the practice facility.
This story is incredible that gives fans the most access,
and former Cowboys have complained about it, saying they felt
like fans were staring at them as they worked out, poking, prodding.
They felt like one said it was a zoo. And
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this article is fantastic. It says Jerry Jones is quoted,
it's gold when those players go through our complex out
there and the fans see them, it's gold. But set
a player, you get randos, random people constantly walking through
the facility and I'm trying to get a late night
workout or a hot tub in. It's a constant conflict
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in this article of what Jerry sees is great and
what players see is annoying. Jerry thinks the fans' presence
inside the facility inspires the players and staff, when clearly
the article signifies it annoys them. Now is this the
reason the Cowboys this year are struggling. Is this the
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reason the Cowboys are struggling? Of course not, but it
does show you this constant showmanship, this fascination with his
players being spectacles and touchable with the fans, and the
radio hits and the constant need revenue promotion over everything.
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It wears on people. Are the Cowboys just a Bubba
Gump shrimp franchise with tackling? Is it all about merchandise
and sales? I was thinking about this the GM thing.
First of all, Jerry's owner GM. The GM thing is
a full time job. The guys I know that are
gms don't sleep much. Secondly, Jerry sees Dallas revenue and
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ratings and think it's working, but it's not really for
the GM. The mind, the ultimate success is Brett Veach
finding Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round, not having to
really pay much yet getting massive production for four years.
Every GM I know value above everything, seeking value, film junkies, grinders,
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not impulsive. But to be Jerry in a billionaire it
takes a visionary and mark and promoter and hey, little
light on the details, but hey, we'll make it work
and they're in conflict. What takes a great GM the
ones I know these guys don't want They don't care
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about team revenue. They care about finding players at a
value proposition. Jerry, well, he likes players, especially if he's
the one that wanted to draft it. Remember they had
to talk Jerry out of Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel didn't
didn't have what it takes. But Jerry didn't see the flaws.
He saw the potential Texas kid, Johnny football. He had
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to be talked out of that by Stephen Jones. And
my point is your CEO can't be your CFO, right
The person seeking diamonds in the rough probably shouldn't be
the promoter to the mass market on diamonds. And that's
where I think the conflict is. Over the course of time,
the Cowboys have been incredibly insular. I mean, no GM
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in the league. If you read this story thought that's
what I want, And yet I bet you have. The
owners are like brilliant. If you pay seventy dollars not
just forty on the daily tour, you get a pin
in an autograph from Jerry, and it's just I get it.
If it was you know a T shirt shop in Maui.
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But it just comes across as Jerry, you can't be
a GM and an owner. You're really good at the
owner part, you're really bad at the GM thing. Well,
I haven't missed on that many draft picks. It's not
just that you're not creating an environment where you're keeping
the thing the thing. So they're profitable, but they're not
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productive in January and February. There are certain personalities that
really fit certain jobs and Jerry this year, and when
Jerry gets unhappy, he does another thing GMS would not like.
He pokes his coach, He goes on radio, he used
surps leadership, he takes shots at them. No GM would
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sign up for that. But the visionary and the marketer
sees big picture. I'm getting them all riled up. Albert
Breer discussed that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think he's felt the whole Like if you look
at the way he's operated since the end of last season,
it's been constantly turning the heat up. The all in comment,
even though they didn't really spend in the offseason sending
Mike McCarthy into a contract year, which is very unconventional,
making Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb wait until the summer
to get their deals done, not paying Michaeh Parsons now.
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And I think he felt like, I've got to turn
the heat up on everyone in the organization because everybody
here has gotten too comfortable. Now he sees it in
the middle of the season, it still doesn't look good.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So what's he going to do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
He's not turning the heat down, He's turning the heat
back up.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
All right to you, I swear to you. I'm gonna
stop talking about Aaron Rodgers as soon as I possibly can.
But this was interesting. One of the things I sort
of laugh at on the Internet is seeing bitcoin hustler
lecture people like Warren Buffett on how finances work. Yeah,
I'm gonna go with the latter, not bitcoin hustler, who
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also told me NFTs were a tree that would grow
to the sky. I'm gonna go with Warren Buffett and
the stock market, which, lucky enough, my dad was in it.
I've been in it since nineteen eighty eight. I've done fine.
You keep hustling. But I saw this story and it's
just it. It's crazy. And I like Devonte Adams and
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I think he can help Jets. I don't think he's
the difference between not making the playoffs and playoffs. They've
already got a good receiver. But I like him as
a player. He seems like a nice guy. Defended him before.
Apparently he gave the postgame speech after the last loss.
First game been in the building, four or five days,
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he gave the speech. Boy does that scream we have
a lack of leadership structure. And what's funny is the
Jets and Aaron Rodgers thought he crushed it. Can you
imagine this the Kansas City chiefs Andy Reid, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey,
Chris Jones. Guy shows up in the facility four days,
tough loss, and the new guy's like, hey, I got
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some things to say here, Yeah, it want it? You
be in the building more than like four days. Can
you imagine Brady Belichick, Edelman, Gronk tough loss, new guy
in the building. I've got some thoughts on this. And
Devonte Adams comes from the Raiders the most maybe one
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of the only franchises more dysfunctional than the Jets. I mean,
I don't know. There if you look at the successful
teams in the NFL, in any sport, there's a rank
and file, like in the NFL San Francisco, Baltimore, Kansas City,
you know what it is, Green Bay. There's a rank
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and file. The coach speaks and then the quarterback, the
franchise star quarterback takes that message to the troops. With
the Jets, new guy in the buildings got something to say.
And I like Davante, but the Raiders are even more
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dysfunctional than the Jets. And Davante was at a functional
place and left it for the Raiders. So I questioned
his judgment. And I like him, but this bitcoin guy
can't tell real estate guru how it works. It doesn't
work that way. And to me, I mean, is Hassan
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Reddick giving a pregame speech in two weeks, Let's put
fireman ad on the headset make some plays. I mean,
what are we doing here? There's that's not how it works.
I mean, you've already fired your coach, You've already now
in your second offensive coordinator. And the quarterback, who he
uses big words a lot, is like, I'm not really
comfortable taken away DeVante what he's been in the building
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five days. What do we from a losing franchise and
I like him, But Aaron's all smiles and using big
words as they prepare for their next game.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Every year presents its own challenges, and thankfully we're not
to the den new mob of this season. You know,
there's still a lot of time left. I think it's
important that we all just stay as sanguine as possible.
You know this, it's a long season. There's a lot
of ups and downs.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Sanguine as possible? Is he manifesting that and his vision board? Okay, yes, yeah,
it's just it's I can like a player, but boy,
do you lack management structure and leadership structure? If the
new guy in the workplace, where do you work in
your law firm? I mean on our show, the interns don't.
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They don't get a big say, even if they're to wanted,
like like you got to kind of be in a
room for a while. Right, Well, he's not. He's an
excellent player from a totally dysfunctional franchise and left a
great franchise to go to the Raiders and the last
two franchises now Raiders Jets are highly dysfunctional, And isn't
it kind of Aaron's locker room? The whole thing's weird.
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The whole thing's weird to me. Teams that are losing
in this league Dallas right now, and the Jets that
are losing for a reason. It's not it's not coincidence.
It's not bad bad luck. J Mack. Maybe they'll call
you to have a big pregame has on. Reddick's going
to be firing this team up in two weeks. Okay,
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how do you spelled?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Daniu?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Mall?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
I love Rogers, man, This guy is real. He's a
real piece of work.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
By the way, do you think you could ever hang
out with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
No, it's just we just I first of all, i'd
need a thesaurus. I don't even enter. I mean this year,
he's kind of he's turned into a word sign.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I just don't know that we have anything in common
at all. Like I probably have a lot in common
with NFL guys, but not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He's just he's too different.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Don't you think that story is kind of I mean, really,
it's just can you imagine somebody going into the Chiefs
four days in the building, and and and everybody just
steps aside and said take it away, new receiver guy Hey,
d Hop take it away, d Hop, And I like
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DeAndre Hopkins. I think he's a good player. He's not
a burner. I think DeVante is more talented. But new
guy doesn't get a set agenda or or or tell
you how the world works. That's not what new guy
gets to.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Do, working theory.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Aaron Rodgers to DeVante Adams, Hey, man, I got you
out of Vegas. Do me a solid talk to these guys.
I've been trying. It's not getting through. I need you
to talk to them. I guarantee you that's what happened.
You think DeVante Adams is gonna just stand up in
front of a team he just arrived at and make
a big speech unless somebody put them up to it.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
And who else would that be but Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, a lot of things happening yesterday in the NFL
and with k d oh oh top of next hour,
Greg Cosel, and I'll also give you know, we do
this before Super Bowls, Conference Championships, World Series, NBA Finals.
I get a yellow piece of paper and I give
you the ten best players in order. So we'll give
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you the ten best players. This series is crazy. It's
a remarkable. Who I left off? I mean there I
left off an infielder for one of these teams. That's
really good. I mean these two teams should be in
the World Series. The one through ten. There's a lot
of Hall of Famers. You get to eleven through fifteen
and I'm like, I can't, can't we find a spot
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for this player? But we couldn't. And that's in forty
five minutes.
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Speaker 1 (14:03):
You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates, None of the bull. Last night, Kevin
Rant and the Phoenix Suns came to La Steve Balmer
opening snazzy new arena, two billion dollar arena something like that.
Supposed to be gorgeous. I fly over it haven't been
in it looks very very cool. Gonna go to it
pretty soon. And Clippers were controlling the game. There was
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no Kawhi shocker and you know, Suns went on eleven
nothing run late. Kevin Durant tying jumper goes to overtime.
Kevin Durant twenty five points. But it's interesting is that
Kevin Durant's career has kind of been reduced to nights
like last night, where he has twenty five points, he
hits the big shot and they win in overtime, and
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that has value in the NBA regular season wins. I mean,
that's mostly Carmelo Anthony's career, and he's a Hall of Famer, right,
hitting big shots in games that don't really matter big picture,
it has value. But it's interesting if you go back
just six seasons, six seasons, there was an argument I
didn't believe in it, but a lot of people did
that even cover the league, that KD was going to
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surpass Lebron James. You think I'm wrong? Back to back
MBA Finals, MVPs, Steph Curry taking a back seat, thirty
thirty five a night, beating Lebron when it really mattered
in the postseason. That's when anybody really watches the NBA.
And there were a lot of people, a lot of
people that felt like I didn't think he had the
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personality or the sort of ascension or the mindset of
Lebron or a magic or an MJ or the Lake Kobe.
I thought he was more kind of a unique guy.
Somebody on our show once called him kind of a wanderer.
But I didn't think he would ever surpass Lebron, who
every day of his life, you know, he treats as
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special in terms of basketball. And so Kevin Durant, he
was there though. I mean they the NBA ran through
the Warriors, and it ran through unstoppable kd May through June.
It was Katie's Lee and then he goes to Brooklyn
to follow a friend, and then he goes to Phoenix.
And these are franchises that are perpetually chasing really good franchises,
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like you know, the Nuggets or the t Wolves now
are really good franchise, good ownership, good good GM, good coach,
good roster. Boston. I think the Knicks last three years
have been well run as James Dolan's been paying attention
to the sphere in Vegas and gotten away from basketball.
And you know, Brooklyn and Phoenix. Although I like Phoenix's talent,
they feel like theirrow was chasing the better organizations. But
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you know, he got his feelings hurt. He moved on
from Golden State. And there was a quote in twenty
eighteen he told Zach Lowe, excellent podcaster writer. He told
Zach Lowe, I'm just not obsessed with winning championships. It's
not the only reason I play. I play for individual growth.
And that's kind of exactly what his career's become. Individual scoring,
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individual moments, not a ton of team success. You know,
it's it's from a museum to pop up at the mall,
like it just doesn't matter as much. It's just kind
of disappearing into the ether, and you know, it's his choice.
I'm not sympathetic, he says he's not obsessed with championships.
But it is remarkable to think just six years ago,
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when so many people in the media and fans defended
his move to Brooklyn. I always said, it's like Mahomes saying,
you know, I got a buddy that wants to play
with the Jets. I'm gonna leave Andy Reid, you would go,
are you out of your mind? And I said, when
Katie left Golden State, are you out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He just has a different mind. But last night is
sort of what he's been reduced to. You know, nice night,
good shot, beat the Clippers, New Arena, big picture, not
a lot of there there. J Mack with a news
no no turns.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Go to the NFL and start with the Night who
have lost two of their last three and they're really
banged up the injury book getting to this team despite
the up and down years, so foar Kyle Shanahan believes
they have enough veteran leaders to stabilize the season.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
I mean, we got great captains, We've got a great team.
I mean there's not you know, we've been in this
situation before where not everything's going perfect in your little
backs against the wall. But our group, our culture, it's
never really been an issue. We got a group that
a bunch of good people that don't blame each other
and know what you got to do after stuff like this,
there's only one thing. You can sit and talk and
evaluate all this stuff, or you can get to work
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and find a way to be better the next week.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Veteran leaders, well, they got a lot of veterans. They
got a lot of veterans in that.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Are they healthy though? Are they in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm going to tell you my gut feeling is Deebo plays,
Jennings plays, Trent Williams plays, can I.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Read you the injury report from the Niners yesterday?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, well that was yesterday, that was Wednesday. These are
pro athletes. They'll play Sunday, so go ahead.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Juwan Jennings did not play. George Kittle did not practice.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Jake Moody, by the way, they're down to their third
string kicker against Brandon Aubrey, who's the best kicker in
the league. Probably that's just an element kickers. Deebo Samuel
did not practice. Trent Williams did not practice.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
He was resting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, a lot of the Kittle rests a lot. So
you know a lot of these coaches they give their
big old offensive lineman time off.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I am feeling major buyers remorse.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I like San Francisco, when a great organization with good
players gets kind of humiliated. They almost and I'm not
talking losing. I mean Minnesota lost to Detroit, they weren't humiliated.
It was a great game. But when like Houston lost
to Green Bay, there's no humiliation. Great team's great game.
But when you go to Kansas City, you're hosting Kansas City,
they come into your place and you are offensively dysfunctional.
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That team is going to be so centered this week
watch San Francisco. They may be injury plagued, They're gonna
play one of their better games of the year.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
I would hope. So I don't remember if this is
in headline. So I have some numbers.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Mike McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the
last twenty years off of by Some of the numbers
are incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So I just put that out there.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I'm just curious. Have you ever had pneumonia?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
By the way, I was kind of a sick kid.
We'll sick a lot. Okay, I don't remember. My mom
told me I was. I had a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
So Deebo Monday hospital fluid in his lungs. Even if
they're able to get that out clear it. You think
the bounce back to play in an NFL football game.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, I don't know. I just know professional athletes who
spend eight hours a day working out and getting in
shape around excellent medical supervision, heal much faster than us.
A twenty six year old in elite zero zero zero
one percent shape in the world. Heals much better than
I do. After too many cocktails on a Thursday night.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Next up, as the La Chargers, I did not realize
how bad their offense has been. Holy cow, they haven't
scored a touchdown in the second half since Week one.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
What is happening to Jim Marlboro's offense.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I know they don't have skill position guys, but after
that tough loss to the Cardinals Monday, hardball is staying
optimistic heading into a big matchup with the Saints.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Be.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Singing out of the you know, singing with the choir
with you know, like there would have, could have, you know,
should have if this, if that, But you know, it
really looked it took like watching it three four times,
all sides of the ball to turn to him. Book two.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We were better, We were better, We got better. Yeah,
I mean they basically were a fumble away from winning
that game. That fumble at the two yard line, which
it happens, you know, it's not like the guy didn't
have the ball secure. Somebody knocked it out of his arms.
They were I mean, they quarterback threw for three hundred
and forty nine yards. We knew what they were going
to look like coming into the season. Offensively challenged, well coached,
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better coached, physical, run the football would be a priority.
They and when they do run they win and when
they don't run. And what's happening is there's a little
bit of a blueprint to beat them. Stack the box,
force them to throw. Herbert will have three hundred yards,
but they don't have playmakers over the top. And so
I mean this last game he had Arizona, they missed
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Quinton Johnson, who maybe a bust and they missed him.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Also, there were three fumbles in that game and Arizona
landed on all three of them.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Some of the early pick.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
By the Chargers, the big guy gets stripped, Arizona gainst
the ball back instead of a red zone position.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
So interesting game against the Saints. So I'm looking at
the Saints' injury report.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
This is what I do all week.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
They're center Caesar Ruiz, who's been out and they've been
hurting without him.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
He's back at practice.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Chris o'lave back at practice from the concussion, Taysom Hill's back,
Alvin Kamara has like a broken hand, but he's practicing.
They're getting healthy, but it's gonna be Spencer Rattler sounds
like under center, not the kid from Fresno, Jacob Snake. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I like the Chargers, but with this offense. Uh, Colin,
we got numbers here.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
They have the second Sorry, they're averaging an nfl O
five point seven points per.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Game in the second half.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I know.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
And they're favorite by self, so.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Ben tells you is Harbaugh and and Justin Herbert on
script are generating a little bit of offense. But when
you've got to add libit, they don't have playmakers.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So you had them first quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They just do not have playmakers. Lad McConkey is a
nice number two. He's a slot receiver, but they needn't
over the top guy. That's why I thought they'd be
in the market for like a Cooper Cup or a
Mike Williams somebody. They just they because I don't I
think they have a real chance stand up as a
wildcard team because I think they do things. They're great
with special teams that maybe the second best kicker in
the league. They have a great head coach, they have
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good tackles, they can run the ball at times. Herbert's
excellent both on the edge, Khalil Mack. There's things they
do well, but their margins are so thin because they
don't have, you know, the great teams in this league
getting occasional free touchdown. AJ Brown just beats a guy
on the field. Instead of a nineteen play drive, you
get a three play drive. You need those to get
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to the next level. They don't have any freebies.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You think they would maybe take a flyer on Calvin Ridley.
He's a little pricey.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But is it. You gotta get somebody in there. I
guess they maybe don't don't see it as Hey, we
got to get to the postseason world, there's always this
is year one. Let's just build the roster slowly, the
right way. Let's not make any irrational moves.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I don't see him making a big I thought Mike
Williams felt like and a good discount would be a deal.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
He is he moving the mire for that?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He's a red zone guy. He's a big big Hey,
they got six tight ends for the final story.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Collins Thursday night football vikings here at so far in LA,
tonight against the Rams should be a good one.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Cooper Cup is set to return, but guess what.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Tom Pelisarro NFL Network is reporting the Rams are optimistic
Pooka could make his return after a five game absence.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now I thought it was still a week away for Pooka.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Same there's a report that he there Rams are optimistic
you could play tonight line at two and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I like the under. I think it's very low scoring.
It's a very low scoring game. Rams under twenty three
and a half. I think it's a really good Thursday
night game. It's not going to be full of touchdowns.
I think you have I think the Rams defense is young,
and you don't know who the players are, but they're
very good. It's a fast, young, aggressive defense. And I
think the Vikings defense little humiliated, little but not humiliated,
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didn't play their best against Detroit. Golf kind of had
his way passing catch all day. I think Minnesota bounces
back with a great defensive effort. I think it's a
twenty three to twenty game Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
I think Kevin O'Connell and Matveay shared any notes, perhaps
none at all.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Two of the best coaches in the league though, super
sharp guys.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think it's a good game.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Your good buddies as well.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I think it's just a I think the Vikings
defense will control the night, is my guest.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Now we were I think the first show to mention
the impact of playing the Lions, and then the next week.
Teams are getting their doors blown off. I think it
was a Seattle Giants game we mentioned, Hey be careful.
Not only did they Vikings just play the Lions, but
now it's a short week and a travel spot.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
This is not setting up good.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I just saw a report their middle linebacker, who leads
them in tackles, looks like he may not go tonight
for the Vikings.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
This could be a big game for Kyra and Williams.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I don't know if you're doing fantasy football, but Kyra
Williams is a monster. I'll take the Rams on the
money line tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
All right, who upset? All right, and we got a
little bet there. J Mack with the news, Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
It is so top of the hour we're doing. Yankees
Dodgers World Series starts tomorrow. I think it's an advantage
the longer the series goes advantage Yankees better starting pitching.
(26:48):
You know, Dodgers are very reliant now in their bullpen.
You don't want certain guys in the bullpen having to
pitch a third time in a game six, in a
game seven. So if you if you told me it
was a five game series. You feel like it was
an advance to the Yankees. But I will tell you this,
you start looking at the Dodgers postseason batting averages, on
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base percentage. Man, this lineup is versatile. I mean, Mookie
Betts can literally play four positions. Tommy Edmond just move
him outfield infield. It's just crazy. You know, in the
NBA for the last decade, it's been kind of positionless.
I mean, like centers are centers, but Jokic is like
(27:29):
a center point guard. And you see this a lot
like a guy is. I mean, how many true number
two guards are there? So you've got to be able
to handle the ball as a guard. I mean, obviously
Mike Conley is a pure one, but I mean like
Jalen Brown, he's a forward, he could be a I mean,
Jason Tatum can put it on the deck, he could
defend a two, but he's but he's a forward. And
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that's like Derek White. You just kind of positionless basketball, right,
like guys can play multiple positions. Obviously, Magic Johnson walked
in rookie year, played center against the Sixers and dropped
forty two. I mean, that was just a he's a
different all time Unicorn. But I mean some of these
The Dodgers have so much versatility in this series. Can
they get enough out also? And coming up next? Anybody
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notice what the Green Bay Packers coach did yesterday, sent
a Lilo message to a former ally, or so he thought.
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
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Sell Bet Football, Fantasy Football, Want to get smarter and football,
Greg co Sel, So, I know what you're gonna say
if you really follow Matt Lafleur, coach of the Packers.
Robert Salad just fired coach of the Jets. They're friends,
(29:49):
they were roommates Central Michigan. But yesterday, very very publicly,
Robert sala Is now at Matt la Fluor's practice. They're
gonna use him. It's a fluid role. So let's just
think about the Packers. This is their best defense in years.
(30:09):
They just hired a new defensive coordinator. They lead the
NFL in takeaways. They don't need Sala and I like
sla they don't need him and they're not gonna put
him in that room and disrupt this new defensive coordinator.
Sala's defensive guy. They don't need him on offense. They're
number six in the NFL in offense. And that's with
Patrick Willis starting multiple weeks. I'd argue it's the first
(30:32):
or second best Malik Willis. I would argue it's the
first or second best offense in the NFL. They don't
need Robert Sala, but they made sure strategically and publicly,
Matt Lafleur brought him over. Come on in cameras, take
a look at Robert Sala, Well, call in their friends.
Green Bay doesn't do stuff like this. That's not what
(30:55):
green Bay does. But Lafleur and Robert Sala have a
through line Aaron Rodgers, and so Aaron Rodgers, many believe,
had to say in getting rid of Robert Salah. Matt
Lafleur publicly, Yeah, once you come over to a winning franchise,
the idea that you'd bring over a defensive coordinator because
(31:16):
you know, we want his opinion on our offense, which
may be the best offense in the league. With Malik
Willis starting multiple games, they're like sixth, so they're gonna
probably end up best offense. They were the best offense
in the league. Jordan Love was last like ten weeks
last year. And my guess, as all these young players
are getting better, they don't need a defensive coach in
the meetings, and they didn't put them on the defense
(31:38):
because they have a new DC and he's crushing it.
Strategic there's a reason I don't want to hear. They're
just friends, folks. You know how many friends Andy Reid
has in the league? Would he be would Andy Reid?
Andy Reid could actually hey our offense kind of struggling.
Patrick Mahomes is struggling. Matt Nagy, You got a buddy,
that's quarterback coach, I got duties is a head coach.
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Green Bay's not struggling anywhere. It's one of the It's
actually it right now. It's a young staff, it's a
smart staff. But they made sure and Lafleur made sure
the winning Packers. Oh, we see value in him, and
I'm not doubting. They're great friends. I mean, the best
man at the wedding. Friends like I and I love Lafleur,
and I like Salah. I don't know if he's a
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head coach, but I think he's easily the best coach
on the Jets. The Jets defense has not played nearly
as well in the two games he's been gone. So
I said it when they fired him. That's a dumb move.
You never let the best coach on your staff out
the door in the middle of a season. You're gonna
give him to somebody else what you can What happens
if your rival picks him up. I mean, what if
Gird Mayo just said I'll take you. I mean, seriously,
(32:43):
what if what if you're like, hey, Buffalo Bill's McDermott's like,
I got a hands full? Can you come give us
a fresh set of eyes on defense? That's not a
smart move. You can let get go of a Brandon
Staley in the season, but you eat Robert sollikin coach
here as Matt Lafleu were on bringing him and used
him in Green Bay.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
He's helping us on the offensive side of the ball.
I think that's always a good deal to have that perspective,
you know, that defensive perspective on that side of the ball.
So just taking a look at some of the things
we're doing, I think it's a good opportunity for I
mean him to learn and also for him to help
us and give us perspective on how teams might see us,
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how they might defend us.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know, I'm just being cynical, caling. My daughter told
me last night she was having dinner with a friend
and I said, hey, I was going to go for
a walk. You want to go for a walk. So
I went over and she was having dinner and I
stopped by. Did not pick up the tag, did not
pick up the tab. She's got to row her own
boat here. Did not pick up the tab, but she said,
you know, Dad, I saw you on TikTok. I don't
(33:50):
want your show. I saw you on TikTok. You looked
a little angry. So I don't want to be that guy.
I want to be happy and smiling on TikTok. But
and maybe I'm being cynical, but Lafleur had the deal
with Aaron's nonsense. Salah got thrown under a bus, and
so Lafleur is like, con defensive coach, why don't you
(34:10):
help us on offense? Yeah, you see that all the time,
people were bringing Brian Flores in in the middle of
a season to help with the offensive strategy. Am I
being sorry TikTok smiling? Am I? Am I being cynical
on that?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That seems like to me, there's a through line there.
One guy gets screwed over, bro, I know what it's like,
and we'll bring the cameras, we'll make it public, we'll
have a strategy. They call it his role is fluid.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That's a good theory.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, I told the staff. The staff looked at
me this morning, Well, they're friends. So what everybody in
the league's a friend with any read everybody's got friends.
A team that's got their offense, Jellen and their defense
is the best that's been in years, does not need
a coach on the staff. I mean, and I'm saying
that as a compliment to Green Bay. The GM smart,
Martin Murphy smart. I love their offense. I mean nothing
green Bay is doing. Hell, they won with Malik Willis,
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a guy that Tennessee just said, we're not interested. They're like, yeah,
we'll go win games in the NFC with him.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
My initial thought was, okay, in the event they have
to face the Niners, Sala knows the kind of defensive
strategies they employed, the schemes and Sala did a great
job against the Vikings in that London game.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
The defense, remember that was Aaron Rodgers who screwed that game.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, but not Roberts. Fleur is bringing him for the offense.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
That's why your theory works better than mine.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, It's like, yeah, he's not bringing him for the defense.
He's bringing him for the offense. Would you really bring
Matt Nagie on, who'd been fired as a Bears coach,
and said I wanted him over on the defensive part
of the staff because I like the way the offensive
guy sees the defense. Ask yourself this if you if
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I worked with somebody and they were incredibly difficult and
they left and we got better at business, and then
that guy who was difficult went and screwed my best
friend over, you don't think I would send a message
Let's bring my friend back, put him on the payroll.
They listen, this is not what happens in the league.
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When's the last time a coordinator was brought in on
a red hot team on the other side of his expertise.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
So this is a subtle shot at Rogers. It's like
and is a jerk. Okay, we all know that. Come on, Rob,
let me throw you a bone here, come hang out
in Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
But he doesn't want to tinker with that defense because
the new guy is doing a tremendous, excellent job their defense.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I know you said, you know.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Stroud versus Love was a good game. Texans had like
one ninety yards of offense.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
They couldn't do anything that's on a mixing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So tell me.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Give me the example when Matt Naggy got fired, and
Matt Naggy's a lot of people like Matt Naggy, one
of the nice guys in the league. And sala is
a great guy. Not all coaches are great guys, but
Naggi's a great guy. Sala is a great guy. I'm
texted with Robert before. He's a wonderful guy, and he's
a funny guy, and people like him. You wouldn't take
Naggie and put him on your defensive staff in a
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fluid role?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Does that mean I'm sort of like Lafleur a lot more?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Now you know?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
The job he did with Malik Willis was tremendous him.
I will be honest.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
When he first got the job, I was like, Oh,
they're winning, but it's Aaron Rodgers, He's the NBA. Don't
anybody could do that? And now here we go, Jordan
Love emerges as a real player, Malik Willis comes out
of nowhere and does well for two games.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Packer's a real threat in the NFC. Laflour's warming up
to me. I think he's doing a.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Great job, So do I By the way, this was
interesting speaking of sending messages. And I'm not a conspiracy
theorist guy, but John Mara, co owner of the New
York Giants, said yesterday he has confidence in Brian dabol
the coach, and Joe Shane. He will not be making
a move. Now, I'll ask you who do you think
(37:46):
And he's taking a shot at.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
So I guess Daniel Jones is the logical ex No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Who does he share a stadium with? But battles market
sharing attention to the Jets. Yeah, so the Jets are
a circus. John Marra comes out and says, out of
the blue, just to let everybody know, we won't be
making moves in the front office and with our coach.
And by the way, you can make an argument the
Jets have the better roster than the Giants. The Jets
(38:15):
have the better Jets have more good skill people than
the Giants do. And it's elite neighbors and cross your fingers.
I would argue the Jets have it, in my opinion,
a better general manager than the Giants.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Do well.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
The Jets have a lot of things that are They're
better at quarterback and right now the Jets are better
at left tackle because Andrew Thomas has hurt. The Jets
are better than the Giants in a lot of areas.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
But hold on, Colin, is this the dreaded vote of
confidence that you hear a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's weird that he.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Would come and say this in the middle of our door.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Why would he do it? The Jets, why would you
bring sala on your offensive staff, Why would you do that.
It's amazing what people will believe. The Earth is flat,
but they can't connect the dots on this stuff. This
is the sending a message the Yankees don't make a
lot of moves. We're not gonna make a lot of moves.
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Let the goofy Jets and the always disappointing Mets be
in chaos. And you could say, well, I mean they
share the stadium. They're battling for tabloids, They're battling for relevance.
I mean, there's advertisers battling for suitees. I mean, you
know this, New York's a competitive market. I don't care
if you work at the same firm. You could work
(39:26):
at the same Goldman Sachs firm. You're competing within that firm. Like,
that's New York. It's hyper competitive.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
How many pieces of that smart gum did you pop
this morning? Look at that back to back theories is
just was it a cigar night last night?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Was?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
No, it was Oh my god, did I have a
night last night?
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Oh really? Thanks for the invite?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Was I was dealing with a professional source? All right?
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(00:48):
a second. Drew Brees also stops by today. So I
have a believer Jmac that there are certain personalities that
are better fits with you know, certain job. If you
want to be in sales, for instance, you're probably being
better as an extrovert, not an introvert. If you want
to be in finance or accounting, you've got to be
(01:10):
really into details. You can't be kind of loose on that.
So there are certain personalities that matter. Can you agree
with that yeah, all right. So I think the personality
to be a great NFL GM and to be a
great visionary and marketer are two different personalities. And this
morning I'm reading a piece on ESPN about Jerry Jones
(01:34):
and his practice facility, which is viewed as the best
in the league, but it is also the practice facility.
This story is incredible that gives fans the most access,
and former Cowboys have complained about it, saying they felt
like fans were staring at them as they worked out, poking, prodding.
They felt like one said it was a zoo. And
(01:55):
this article is fantastic. It says Jerry Jones is quoted,
it's gold when those players go through our complex out
there and the fans see them, it's gold. But set
a player, you get randos, random people constantly walking through
the facility and I'm trying to get a late night
workout or a hot tub in. It's a constant conflict
(02:18):
in this article of what Jerry sees is great and
what players see is annoying. Jerry thinks the fans' presence
inside the facility inspires the players and staff, when clearly
the article signifies it annoys them. Now is this the
reason the Cowboys this year are struggling. Is this the
(02:40):
reason the Cowboys are struggling? Of course not, but it
does show you this constant showmanship, this fascination with his
players being spectacles and touchable with the fans, and the
radio hits and the constant need revenue promotion over everything.
(03:02):
It wears on people. Are the Cowboys just a Bubba
Gump shrimp franchise with tackling? Is it all about merchandise
and sales? I was thinking about this the GM thing.
First of all, Jerry's owner GM. The GM thing is
a full time job. The guys I know that are
gms don't sleep much. Secondly, Jerry sees Dallas revenue and
(03:27):
ratings and think it's working, but it's not really for
the GM. The mind, the ultimate success is Brett Veach
finding Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round, not having to
really pay much yet getting massive production for four years.
Every GM I know value above everything, seeking value, film junkies, grinders,
(03:52):
not impulsive. But to be Jerry in a billionaire it
takes a visionary and mark and promoter and hey, little
light on the details, but hey, we'll make it work
and they're in conflict. What takes a great GM the
ones I know these guys don't want They don't care
(04:17):
about team revenue. They care about finding players at a
value proposition. Jerry, well, he likes players, especially if he's
the one that wanted to draft it. Remember they had
to talk Jerry out of Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel didn't
didn't have what it takes. But Jerry didn't see the flaws.
He saw the potential Texas kid, Johnny football. He had
(04:42):
to be talked out of that by Stephen Jones. And
my point is your CEO can't be your CFO, right
The person seeking diamonds in the rough probably shouldn't be
the promoter to the mass market on diamonds. And that's
where I think the conflict is. Over the course of time,
the Cowboys have been incredibly insular. I mean, no GM
(05:05):
in the league. If you read this story thought that's
what I want, And yet I bet you have. The
owners are like brilliant. If you pay seventy dollars not
just forty on the daily tour, you get a pin
in an autograph from Jerry, and it's just I get it.
If it was you know a T shirt shop in Maui.
(05:31):
But it just comes across as Jerry, you can't be
a GM and an owner. You're really good at the
owner part, you're really bad at the GM thing. Well,
I haven't missed on that many draft picks. It's not
just that you're not creating an environment where you're keeping
the thing the thing. So they're profitable, but they're not
(05:51):
productive in January and February. There are certain personalities that
really fit certain jobs and Jerry this year, and when
Jerry gets unhappy, he does another thing GMS would not like.
He pokes his coach, He goes on radio, he used
surps leadership, he takes shots at them. No GM would
(06:12):
sign up for that. But the visionary and the marketer
sees big picture. I'm getting them all riled up. Albert
Breer discussed that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think he's felt the whole Like if you look
at the way he's operated since the end of last season,
it's been constantly turning the heat up. The all in comment,
even though they didn't really spend in the offseason sending
Mike McCarthy into a contract year, which is very unconventional,
making Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb wait until the summer
to get their deals done, not paying Michaeh Parsons now.
(06:45):
And I think he felt like, I've got to turn
the heat up on everyone in the organization because everybody
here has gotten too comfortable. Now he sees it in
the middle of the season, it still doesn't look good.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So what's he going to do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
He's not turning the heat down, He's turning the heat
back up.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
All right to you, I swear to you. I'm gonna
stop talking about Aaron Rodgers as soon as I possibly can.
But this was interesting. One of the things I sort
of laugh at on the Internet is seeing bitcoin hustler
lecture people like Warren Buffett on how finances work. Yeah,
I'm gonna go with the latter, not bitcoin hustler, who
(07:19):
also told me NFTs were a tree that would grow
to the sky. I'm gonna go with Warren Buffett and
the stock market, which, lucky enough, my dad was in it.
I've been in it since nineteen eighty eight. I've done fine.
You keep hustling. But I saw this story and it's
just it. It's crazy. And I like Devonte Adams and
(07:39):
I think he can help Jets. I don't think he's
the difference between not making the playoffs and playoffs. They've
already got a good receiver. But I like him as
a player. He seems like a nice guy. Defended him before.
Apparently he gave the postgame speech after the last loss.
First game been in the building, four or five days,
(08:00):
he gave the speech. Boy does that scream we have
a lack of leadership structure. And what's funny is the
Jets and Aaron Rodgers thought he crushed it. Can you
imagine this the Kansas City chiefs Andy Reid, Mahomes, Travis Kelsey,
Chris Jones. Guy shows up in the facility four days,
tough loss, and the new guy's like, hey, I got
(08:21):
some things to say here, Yeah, it want it? You
be in the building more than like four days. Can
you imagine Brady Belichick, Edelman, Gronk tough loss, new guy
in the building. I've got some thoughts on this. And
Devonte Adams comes from the Raiders the most maybe one
(08:42):
of the only franchises more dysfunctional than the Jets. I mean,
I don't know. There if you look at the successful
teams in the NFL, in any sport, there's a rank
and file, like in the NFL San Francisco, Baltimore, Kansas City,
you know what it is, Green Bay. There's a rank
(09:02):
and file. The coach speaks and then the quarterback, the
franchise star quarterback takes that message to the troops. With
the Jets, new guy in the buildings got something to say.
And I like Davante, but the Raiders are even more
(09:23):
dysfunctional than the Jets. And Davante was at a functional
place and left it for the Raiders. So I questioned
his judgment. And I like him, but this bitcoin guy
can't tell real estate guru how it works. It doesn't
work that way. And to me, I mean, is Hassan
(09:44):
Reddick giving a pregame speech in two weeks, Let's put
fireman ad on the headset make some plays. I mean,
what are we doing here? There's that's not how it works.
I mean, you've already fired your coach, You've already now
in your second offensive coordinator. And the quarterback, who he
uses big words a lot, is like, I'm not really
comfortable taken away DeVante what he's been in the building
(10:06):
five days. What do we from a losing franchise and
I like him, But Aaron's all smiles and using big
words as they prepare for their next game.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Every year presents its own challenges, and thankfully we're not
to the den new mob of this season. You know,
there's still a lot of time left. I think it's
important that we all just stay as sanguine as possible.
You know this, it's a long season. There's a lot
of ups and downs.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Sanguine as possible? Is he manifesting that and his vision board? Okay, yes, yeah,
it's just it's I can like a player, but boy,
do you lack management structure and leadership structure? If the
new guy in the workplace, where do you work in
your law firm? I mean on our show, the interns don't.
(10:57):
They don't get a big say, even if they're to wanted,
like like you got to kind of be in a
room for a while. Right, Well, he's not. He's an
excellent player from a totally dysfunctional franchise and left a
great franchise to go to the Raiders and the last
two franchises now Raiders Jets are highly dysfunctional, And isn't
it kind of Aaron's locker room? The whole thing's weird.
(11:21):
The whole thing's weird to me. Teams that are losing
in this league Dallas right now, and the Jets that
are losing for a reason. It's not it's not coincidence.
It's not bad bad luck. J Mack. Maybe they'll call
you to have a big pregame has on. Reddick's going
to be firing this team up in two weeks. Okay,
(11:42):
how do you spelled?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Daniu?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Mall?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
I love Rogers, man, This guy is real. He's a
real piece of work.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
By the way, do you think you could ever hang
out with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
No, it's just we just I first of all, i'd
need a thesaurus. I don't even enter. I mean this year,
he's kind of he's turned into a word sign.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I just don't know that we have anything in common
at all. Like I probably have a lot in common
with NFL guys, but not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
He's just he's too different.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Don't you think that story is kind of I mean, really,
it's just can you imagine somebody going into the Chiefs
four days in the building, and and and everybody just
steps aside and said take it away, new receiver guy Hey,
d Hop take it away, d Hop, And I like
(12:32):
DeAndre Hopkins. I think he's a good player. He's not
a burner. I think DeVante is more talented. But new
guy doesn't get a set agenda or or or tell
you how the world works. That's not what new guy
gets to.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Do, working theory.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Aaron Rodgers to DeVante Adams, Hey, man, I got you
out of Vegas. Do me a solid talk to these guys.
I've been trying. It's not getting through. I need you
to talk to them. I guarantee you that's what happened.
You think DeVante Adams is gonna just stand up in
front of a team he just arrived at and make
a big speech unless somebody put them up to it.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
And who else would that be but Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, a lot of things happening yesterday in the NFL
and with k d oh oh top of next hour,
Greg Cosel, and I'll also give you know, we do
this before Super Bowls, Conference Championships, World Series, NBA Finals.
I get a yellow piece of paper and I give
you the ten best players in order. So we'll give
(13:29):
you the ten best players. This series is crazy. It's
a remarkable. Who I left off? I mean there I
left off an infielder for one of these teams. That's
really good. I mean these two teams should be in
the World Series. The one through ten. There's a lot
of Hall of Famers. You get to eleven through fifteen
and I'm like, I can't, can't we find a spot
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for this player? But we couldn't. And that's in forty
five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates, None of the bull. Last night, Kevin
Rant and the Phoenix Suns came to La Steve Balmer
opening snazzy new arena, two billion dollar arena something like that.
Supposed to be gorgeous. I fly over it haven't been
in it looks very very cool. Gonna go to it
pretty soon. And Clippers were controlling the game. There was
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no Kawhi shocker and you know, Suns went on eleven
nothing run late. Kevin Durant tying jumper goes to overtime.
Kevin Durant twenty five points. But it's interesting is that
Kevin Durant's career has kind of been reduced to nights
like last night, where he has twenty five points, he
hits the big shot and they win in overtime, and
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that has value in the NBA regular season wins. I mean,
that's mostly Carmelo Anthony's career, and he's a Hall of Famer, right,
hitting big shots in games that don't really matter big picture,
it has value. But it's interesting if you go back
just six seasons, six seasons, there was an argument I
didn't believe in it, but a lot of people did
that even cover the league, that KD was going to
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surpass Lebron James. You think I'm wrong? Back to back
MBA Finals, MVPs, Steph Curry taking a back seat, thirty
thirty five a night, beating Lebron when it really mattered
in the postseason. That's when anybody really watches the NBA.
And there were a lot of people, a lot of
people that felt like I didn't think he had the
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personality or the sort of ascension or the mindset of
Lebron or a magic or an MJ or the Lake Kobe.
I thought he was more kind of a unique guy.
Somebody on our show once called him kind of a wanderer.
But I didn't think he would ever surpass Lebron, who
every day of his life, you know, he treats as
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special in terms of basketball. And so Kevin Durant, he
was there though. I mean they the NBA ran through
the Warriors, and it ran through unstoppable kd May through June.
It was Katie's Lee and then he goes to Brooklyn
to follow a friend, and then he goes to Phoenix.
And these are franchises that are perpetually chasing really good franchises,
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like you know, the Nuggets or the t Wolves now
are really good franchise, good ownership, good good GM, good coach,
good roster. Boston. I think the Knicks last three years
have been well run as James Dolan's been paying attention
to the sphere in Vegas and gotten away from basketball.
And you know, Brooklyn and Phoenix. Although I like Phoenix's talent,
they feel like theirrow was chasing the better organizations. But
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you know, he got his feelings hurt. He moved on
from Golden State. And there was a quote in twenty
eighteen he told Zach Lowe, excellent podcaster writer. He told
Zach Lowe, I'm just not obsessed with winning championships. It's
not the only reason I play. I play for individual growth.
And that's kind of exactly what his career's become. Individual scoring,
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individual moments, not a ton of team success. You know,
it's it's from a museum to pop up at the mall,
like it just doesn't matter as much. It's just kind
of disappearing into the ether, and you know, it's his choice.
I'm not sympathetic, he says he's not obsessed with championships.
But it is remarkable to think just six years ago,
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when so many people in the media and fans defended
his move to Brooklyn. I always said, it's like Mahomes saying,
you know, I got a buddy that wants to play
with the Jets. I'm gonna leave Andy Reid, you would go,
are you out of your mind? And I said, when
Katie left Golden State, are you out of your mind?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He just has a different mind. But last night is
sort of what he's been reduced to. You know, nice night,
good shot, beat the Clippers, New Arena, big picture, not
a lot of there there. J Mack with a news
no no turns.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Go to the NFL and start with the Night who
have lost two of their last three and they're really
banged up the injury book getting to this team despite
the up and down years, so foar Kyle Shanahan believes
they have enough veteran leaders to stabilize the season.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
I mean, we got great captains, We've got a great team.
I mean there's not you know, we've been in this
situation before where not everything's going perfect in your little
backs against the wall. But our group, our culture, it's
never really been an issue. We got a group that
a bunch of good people that don't blame each other
and know what you got to do after stuff like this,
there's only one thing. You can sit and talk and
evaluate all this stuff, or you can get to work
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and find a way to be better the next week.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Veteran leaders, well, they got a lot of veterans. They
got a lot of veterans in that.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Are they healthy though? Are they in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm going to tell you my gut feeling is Deebo plays,
Jennings plays, Trent Williams plays, can I.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Read you the injury report from the Niners yesterday?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, well that was yesterday, that was Wednesday. These are
pro athletes. They'll play Sunday, so go ahead.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Juwan Jennings did not play. George Kittle did not practice.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Jake Moody, by the way, they're down to their third
string kicker against Brandon Aubrey, who's the best kicker in
the league. Probably that's just an element kickers. Deebo Samuel
did not practice. Trent Williams did not practice.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
He was resting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, a lot of the Kittle rests a lot. So
you know a lot of these coaches they give their
big old offensive lineman time off.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I am feeling major buyers remorse.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I like San Francisco, when a great organization with good
players gets kind of humiliated. They almost and I'm not
talking losing. I mean Minnesota lost to Detroit, they weren't humiliated.
It was a great game. But when like Houston lost
to Green Bay, there's no humiliation. Great team's great game.
But when you go to Kansas City, you're hosting Kansas City,
they come into your place and you are offensively dysfunctional.
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That team is going to be so centered this week
watch San Francisco. They may be injury plagued, They're gonna
play one of their better games of the year.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
I would hope. So I don't remember if this is
in headline. So I have some numbers.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Mike McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the
last twenty years off of by Some of the numbers
are incredible.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So I just put that out there.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I'm just curious. Have you ever had pneumonia?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
By the way, I was kind of a sick kid.
We'll sick a lot. Okay, I don't remember. My mom
told me I was. I had a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
So Deebo Monday hospital fluid in his lungs. Even if
they're able to get that out clear it. You think
the bounce back to play in an NFL football game.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, I don't know. I just know professional athletes who
spend eight hours a day working out and getting in
shape around excellent medical supervision, heal much faster than us.
A twenty six year old in elite zero zero zero
one percent shape in the world. Heals much better than
I do. After too many cocktails on a Thursday night.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Next up, as the La Chargers, I did not realize
how bad their offense has been. Holy cow, they haven't
scored a touchdown in the second half since Week one.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
What is happening to Jim Marlboro's offense.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I know they don't have skill position guys, but after
that tough loss to the Cardinals Monday, hardball is staying
optimistic heading into a big matchup with the Saints.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
Be.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Singing out of the you know, singing with the choir
with you know, like there would have, could have, you know,
should have if this, if that, But you know, it
really looked it took like watching it three four times,
all sides of the ball to turn to him. Book two.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We were better, We were better, We got better. Yeah,
I mean they basically were a fumble away from winning
that game. That fumble at the two yard line, which
it happens, you know, it's not like the guy didn't
have the ball secure. Somebody knocked it out of his arms.
They were I mean, they quarterback threw for three hundred
and forty nine yards. We knew what they were going
to look like coming into the season. Offensively challenged, well coached,
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better coached, physical, run the football would be a priority.
They and when they do run they win and when
they don't run. And what's happening is there's a little
bit of a blueprint to beat them. Stack the box,
force them to throw. Herbert will have three hundred yards,
but they don't have playmakers over the top. And so
I mean this last game he had Arizona, they missed
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Quinton Johnson, who maybe a bust and they missed him.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Also, there were three fumbles in that game and Arizona
landed on all three of them.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Some of the early pick.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
By the Chargers, the big guy gets stripped, Arizona gainst
the ball back instead of a red zone position.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
So interesting game against the Saints. So I'm looking at
the Saints' injury report.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
This is what I do all week.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
They're center Caesar Ruiz, who's been out and they've been
hurting without him.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
He's back at practice.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Chris o'lave back at practice from the concussion, Taysom Hill's back,
Alvin Kamara has like a broken hand, but he's practicing.
They're getting healthy, but it's gonna be Spencer Rattler sounds
like under center, not the kid from Fresno, Jacob Snake. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
I like the Chargers, but with this offense. Uh, Colin,
we got numbers here.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
They have the second Sorry, they're averaging an nfl O
five point seven points per.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Game in the second half.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I know.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
And they're favorite by self, so.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Ben tells you is Harbaugh and and Justin Herbert on
script are generating a little bit of offense. But when
you've got to add libit, they don't have playmakers.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So you had them first quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They just do not have playmakers. Lad McConkey is a
nice number two. He's a slot receiver, but they needn't
over the top guy. That's why I thought they'd be
in the market for like a Cooper Cup or a
Mike Williams somebody. They just they because I don't I
think they have a real chance stand up as a
wildcard team because I think they do things. They're great
with special teams that maybe the second best kicker in
the league. They have a great head coach, they have
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good tackles, they can run the ball at times. Herbert's
excellent both on the edge, Khalil Mack. There's things they
do well, but their margins are so thin because they
don't have, you know, the great teams in this league
getting occasional free touchdown. AJ Brown just beats a guy
on the field. Instead of a nineteen play drive, you
get a three play drive. You need those to get
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to the next level. They don't have any freebies.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
You think they would maybe take a flyer on Calvin Ridley.
He's a little pricey.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But is it. You gotta get somebody in there. I
guess they maybe don't don't see it as Hey, we
got to get to the postseason world, there's always this
is year one. Let's just build the roster slowly, the
right way. Let's not make any irrational moves.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I don't see him making a big I thought Mike
Williams felt like and a good discount would be a deal.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
He is he moving the mire for that?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He's a red zone guy. He's a big big Hey,
they got six tight ends for the final story.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Collins Thursday night football vikings here at so far in LA,
tonight against the Rams should be a good one.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Cooper Cup is set to return, but guess what.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Tom Pelisarro NFL Network is reporting the Rams are optimistic
Pooka could make his return after a five game absence.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now I thought it was still a week away for Pooka.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Same there's a report that he there Rams are optimistic
you could play tonight line at two and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I like the under. I think it's very low scoring.
It's a very low scoring game. Rams under twenty three
and a half. I think it's a really good Thursday
night game. It's not going to be full of touchdowns.
I think you have I think the Rams defense is young,
and you don't know who the players are, but they're
very good. It's a fast, young, aggressive defense. And I
think the Vikings defense little humiliated, little but not humiliated,
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didn't play their best against Detroit. Golf kind of had
his way passing catch all day. I think Minnesota bounces
back with a great defensive effort. I think it's a
twenty three to twenty game Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
I think Kevin O'Connell and Matveay shared any notes, perhaps
none at all.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Two of the best coaches in the league though, super
sharp guys.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I think it's a good game.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Your good buddies as well.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I think it's just a I think the Vikings
defense will control the night, is my guest.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Now we were I think the first show to mention
the impact of playing the Lions, and then the next week.
Teams are getting their doors blown off. I think it
was a Seattle Giants game we mentioned, Hey be careful.
Not only did they Vikings just play the Lions, but
now it's a short week and a travel spot.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
This is not setting up good.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
I just saw a report their middle linebacker, who leads
them in tackles, looks like he may not go tonight
for the Vikings.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
This could be a big game for Kyra and Williams.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I don't know if you're doing fantasy football, but Kyra
Williams is a monster. I'll take the Rams on the
money line tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
All right, who upset? All right, and we got a
little bet there. J Mack with the news, Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.
It is so top of the hour we're doing. Yankees
Dodgers World Series starts tomorrow. I think it's an advantage
the longer the series goes advantage Yankees better starting pitching.
(26:48):
You know, Dodgers are very reliant now in their bullpen.
You don't want certain guys in the bullpen having to
pitch a third time in a game six, in a
game seven. So if you if you told me it
was a five game series. You feel like it was
an advance to the Yankees. But I will tell you this,
you start looking at the Dodgers postseason batting averages, on
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base percentage. Man, this lineup is versatile. I mean, Mookie
Betts can literally play four positions. Tommy Edmond just move
him outfield infield. It's just crazy. You know, in the
NBA for the last decade, it's been kind of positionless.
I mean, like centers are centers, but Jokic is like
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a center point guard. And you see this a lot
like a guy is. I mean, how many true number
two guards are there? So you've got to be able
to handle the ball as a guard. I mean, obviously
Mike Conley is a pure one, but I mean like
Jalen Brown, he's a forward, he could be a I mean,
Jason Tatum can put it on the deck, he could
defend a two, but he's but he's a forward. And
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that's like Derek White. You just kind of positionless basketball, right,
like guys can play multiple positions. Obviously, Magic Johnson walked
in rookie year, played center against the Sixers and dropped
forty two. I mean, that was just a he's a
different all time Unicorn. But I mean some of these
The Dodgers have so much versatility in this series. Can
they get enough out also? And coming up next? Anybody
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notice what the Green Bay Packers coach did yesterday, sent
a Lilo message to a former ally, or so he thought.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Weekdays
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Speaker 9 (28:35):
For the first time since nineteen eighty one, the Los
Angeles Dodgers and the New York Yankees. It's gonna be great,
first time since nineteen fifty six. Yeall the home run
champions facing off for the World Series. I want the
world to see Shohei Otani on the biggest stage, the
twelfth Dodger Yankee World Series.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
This is the absolute ultimate my dream World series. What
I played was Yankee Dodger.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Game one Friday night on Fox.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
One of the classic rivalries in the sport were set
for a dream World series.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Tomorrow night on Fox.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
The stages set for an iconic showdown Aaron Judge League
the Yankees against Shohei O'tani and the Dodgers in a
historic World series clash.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Game one begins at seven pm. Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Amazing, Where will the Chips Fall? Ten Best Players in
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Sell Bet Football, Fantasy Football, Want to get smarter and football,
Greg co Sel, So, I know what you're gonna say
if you really follow Matt Lafleur, coach of the Packers.
Robert Salad just fired coach of the Jets. They're friends,
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they were roommates Central Michigan. But yesterday, very very publicly,
Robert sala Is now at Matt la Fluor's practice. They're
gonna use him. It's a fluid role. So let's just
think about the Packers. This is their best defense in years.
(30:09):
They just hired a new defensive coordinator. They lead the
NFL in takeaways. They don't need Sala and I like
sla they don't need him and they're not gonna put
him in that room and disrupt this new defensive coordinator.
Sala's defensive guy. They don't need him on offense. They're
number six in the NFL in offense. And that's with
Patrick Willis starting multiple weeks. I'd argue it's the first
(30:32):
or second best Malik Willis. I would argue it's the
first or second best offense in the NFL. They don't
need Robert Sala, but they made sure strategically and publicly,
Matt Lafleur brought him over. Come on in cameras, take
a look at Robert Sala, Well, call in their friends.
Green Bay doesn't do stuff like this. That's not what
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green Bay does. But Lafleur and Robert Sala have a
through line Aaron Rodgers, and so Aaron Rodgers, many believe,
had to say in getting rid of Robert Salah. Matt
Lafleur publicly, Yeah, once you come over to a winning franchise,
the idea that you'd bring over a defensive coordinator because
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you know, we want his opinion on our offense, which
may be the best offense in the league. With Malik
Willis starting multiple games, they're like sixth, so they're gonna
probably end up best offense. They were the best offense
in the league. Jordan Love was last like ten weeks
last year. And my guess, as all these young players
are getting better, they don't need a defensive coach in
the meetings, and they didn't put them on the defense
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because they have a new DC and he's crushing it.
Strategic there's a reason I don't want to hear. They're
just friends, folks. You know how many friends Andy Reid
has in the league? Would he be would Andy Reid?
Andy Reid could actually hey our offense kind of struggling.
Patrick Mahomes is struggling. Matt Nagy, You got a buddy,
that's quarterback coach, I got duties is a head coach.
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Green Bay's not struggling anywhere. It's one of the It's
actually it right now. It's a young staff, it's a
smart staff. But they made sure and Lafleur made sure
the winning Packers. Oh, we see value in him, and
I'm not doubting. They're great friends. I mean, the best
man at the wedding. Friends like I and I love Lafleur,
and I like Salah. I don't know if he's a
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head coach, but I think he's easily the best coach
on the Jets. The Jets defense has not played nearly
as well in the two games he's been gone. So
I said it when they fired him. That's a dumb move.
You never let the best coach on your staff out
the door in the middle of a season. You're gonna
give him to somebody else what you can What happens
if your rival picks him up. I mean, what if
Gird Mayo just said I'll take you. I mean, seriously,
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what if what if you're like, hey, Buffalo Bill's McDermott's like,
I got a hands full? Can you come give us
a fresh set of eyes on defense? That's not a
smart move. You can let get go of a Brandon
Staley in the season, but you eat Robert sollikin coach
here as Matt Lafleu were on bringing him and used
him in Green Bay.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
He's helping us on the offensive side of the ball.
I think that's always a good deal to have that perspective,
you know, that defensive perspective on that side of the ball.
So just taking a look at some of the things
we're doing, I think it's a good opportunity for I
mean him to learn and also for him to help
us and give us perspective on how teams might see us,
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how they might defend us.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know, I'm just being cynical, caling. My daughter told
me last night she was having dinner with a friend
and I said, hey, I was going to go for
a walk. You want to go for a walk. So
I went over and she was having dinner and I
stopped by. Did not pick up the tag, did not
pick up the tab. She's got to row her own
boat here. Did not pick up the tab, but she said,
you know, Dad, I saw you on TikTok. I don't
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want your show. I saw you on TikTok. You looked
a little angry. So I don't want to be that guy.
I want to be happy and smiling on TikTok. But
and maybe I'm being cynical, but Lafleur had the deal
with Aaron's nonsense. Salah got thrown under a bus, and
so Lafleur is like, con defensive coach, why don't you
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help us on offense? Yeah, you see that all the time,
people were bringing Brian Flores in in the middle of
a season to help with the offensive strategy. Am I
being sorry TikTok smiling? Am I? Am I being cynical
on that?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That seems like to me, there's a through line there.
One guy gets screwed over, bro, I know what it's like,
and we'll bring the cameras, we'll make it public, we'll
have a strategy. They call it his role is fluid.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That's a good theory.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, I told the staff. The staff looked at
me this morning, Well, they're friends. So what everybody in
the league's a friend with any read everybody's got friends.
A team that's got their offense, Jellen and their defense
is the best that's been in years, does not need
a coach on the staff. I mean, and I'm saying
that as a compliment to Green Bay. The GM smart,
Martin Murphy smart. I love their offense. I mean nothing
green Bay is doing. Hell, they won with Malik Willis,
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a guy that Tennessee just said, we're not interested. They're like, yeah,
we'll go win games in the NFC with him.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
My initial thought was, okay, in the event they have
to face the Niners, Sala knows the kind of defensive
strategies they employed, the schemes and Sala did a great
job against the Vikings in that London game.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
The defense, remember that was Aaron Rodgers who screwed that game.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, but not Roberts. Fleur is bringing him for the offense.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
That's why your theory works better than mine.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, It's like, yeah, he's not bringing him for the defense.
He's bringing him for the offense. Would you really bring
Matt Nagie on, who'd been fired as a Bears coach,
and said I wanted him over on the defensive part
of the staff because I like the way the offensive
guy sees the defense. Ask yourself this if you if
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I worked with somebody and they were incredibly difficult and
they left and we got better at business, and then
that guy who was difficult went and screwed my best
friend over, you don't think I would send a message
Let's bring my friend back, put him on the payroll.
They listen, this is not what happens in the league.
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When's the last time a coordinator was brought in on
a red hot team on the other side of his expertise.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
So this is a subtle shot at Rogers. It's like
and is a jerk. Okay, we all know that. Come on, Rob,
let me throw you a bone here, come hang out
in Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
But he doesn't want to tinker with that defense because
the new guy is doing a tremendous, excellent job their defense.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I know you said, you know.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Stroud versus Love was a good game. Texans had like
one ninety yards of offense.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
They couldn't do anything that's on a mixing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So tell me.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Give me the example when Matt Naggy got fired, and
Matt Naggy's a lot of people like Matt Naggy, one
of the nice guys in the league. And sala is
a great guy. Not all coaches are great guys, but
Naggi's a great guy. Sala is a great guy. I'm
texted with Robert before. He's a wonderful guy, and he's
a funny guy, and people like him. You wouldn't take
Naggie and put him on your defensive staff in a
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fluid role?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Does that mean I'm sort of like Lafleur a lot more?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Now you know?
Speaker 7 (37:04):
The job he did with Malik Willis was tremendous him.
I will be honest.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
When he first got the job, I was like, Oh,
they're winning, but it's Aaron Rodgers, He's the NBA. Don't
anybody could do that? And now here we go, Jordan
Love emerges as a real player, Malik Willis comes out
of nowhere and does well for two games.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Packer's a real threat in the NFC. Laflour's warming up
to me. I think he's doing a.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Great job, So do I By the way, this was
interesting speaking of sending messages. And I'm not a conspiracy
theorist guy, but John Mara, co owner of the New
York Giants, said yesterday he has confidence in Brian dabol
the coach, and Joe Shane. He will not be making
a move. Now, I'll ask you who do you think
(37:46):
And he's taking a shot at.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
So I guess Daniel Jones is the logical ex No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Who does he share a stadium with? But battles market
sharing attention to the Jets. Yeah, so the Jets are
a circus. John Marra comes out and says, out of
the blue, just to let everybody know, we won't be
making moves in the front office and with our coach.
And by the way, you can make an argument the
Jets have the better roster than the Giants. The Jets
(38:15):
have the better Jets have more good skill people than
the Giants do. And it's elite neighbors and cross your fingers.
I would argue the Jets have it, in my opinion,
a better general manager than the Giants.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Do well.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
The Jets have a lot of things that are They're
better at quarterback and right now the Jets are better
at left tackle because Andrew Thomas has hurt. The Jets
are better than the Giants in a lot of areas.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
But hold on, Colin, is this the dreaded vote of
confidence that you hear a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's weird that he.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Would come and say this in the middle of our door.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Why would he do it? The Jets, why would you
bring sala on your offensive staff, Why would you do that.
It's amazing what people will believe. The Earth is flat,
but they can't connect the dots on this stuff. This
is the sending a message the Yankees don't make a
lot of moves. We're not gonna make a lot of moves.
(39:06):
Let the goofy Jets and the always disappointing Mets be
in chaos. And you could say, well, I mean they
share the stadium. They're battling for tabloids, They're battling for relevance.
I mean, there's advertisers battling for suitees. I mean, you
know this, New York's a competitive market. I don't care
if you work at the same firm. You could work
(39:26):
at the same Goldman Sachs firm. You're competing within that firm. Like,
that's New York. It's hyper competitive.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
How many pieces of that smart gum did you pop
this morning? Look at that back to back theories is
just was it a cigar night last night?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Was?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
No, it was Oh my god, did I have a
night last night?
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Oh really? Thanks for the invite?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Was I was dealing with a professional source? All right?
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