October 29, 2024 • 29 mins
5-time World Series Champion Derek Jeter joins the show to discuss Aaron Judge's slump and how he can try to bounce back in game 4
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I mean the Dodgers, we question their pitching, and then
they shut out the Podreys back to back, and then
we questioned their pitching against the Maps, and they did
the same thing. So they go with a bullpen group tonight,
and you'd think it would be time to eat for
the Yankees. But I gotta tell you what, Dave Roberts
is pulling the right strings forty different pitchers. Walker Buehler
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last night, I thought was a really excellent Derek Jeter.
Seven World Series appearances, five time champ. So let's start
with Walker, because I remember when he came to the Dodgers,
he was gonna be not Kershaw, but the next great arm.
And he threw, he threw hard, young babyface. Then he
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gets hurt and then he comes back and it's like
he doesn't quite overpower you but he's still effective.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you see from him?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well, i'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
You know. The thing is, you said it when I
think when Walker came up, he threw so hard that
he could just throw the ball right by you.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Anytime he gets in trouble, you rear back, you throw
a hundred.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Now he's turned into a pitcher, and I think in
this day and age, people pay so much attention to
velocity and strikeouts, where if you actually just go out
there and pitch, he hitters off balance, haven't put the
ball in play, let your defense play behind you. You
understand that you can win that way as well. So
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it was really Actually it was fun to watch Walker
because I think you mentioned it. When he came up,
he was the guy that was gonna be the A
to the Dodgers. Unfortunately had a few injuries that set
them back. But I think he's a much better pitcher
now than he was when he first came up.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So I went and looked five minutes ago. I went
and looked at.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Derek Jeter career playoff stats, and you literally had no slumps.
It's just unbelievable. So you can't relate to the question.
I'm going to ask, but you probably had one or
two slumps in your career when you're going through what
Aaron Judge is going through. I remember a Rod having
they dropped him in the order to eight. He just struggled.
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Is it emotional? Is are you overthinking? Because golf and
baseball you got a lot of time to sit and
think about your next at, you know, at bat or shot.
The times you were in I mean literally once or
twice in your career in a slump. What's going through
your head?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Well, I'd say, you know, look, that's a little unfair
because I've had my fair share of slumps. I remember
in two thousand one World Series. I was I wasn't
doing too well the first game, so I hit that
home run, that mister November home run.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But that's all anyone remembers.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
They don't remember, you know, us facing Shilling and Randy
Johnson and our entire offense was slumping. So I think
I'm not talking about Aaron in particular, but when you're
in a postseason series and you're not performing how you
would like to perform or what the expectations are of
you at the time, you start putting a little pressure
on yourself because you want to contribute, you want to
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help your team out, especially when your team's not winning,
and you may try to do too much. But then
another thing, in the postseason, you're playing, you're hitting against
the best pitchers in the league in that particular year.
So if you're not feeling great, if you are struggling
a little bit, scuffling, trying to find your swing, it's
hard to find it when you're facing the best pitchers
in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Listen, could I felt this about the Mets. The Mets
had one great player and then a bunch of good players,
and the Dodgers had several great players. Now, I do
think Soto, Judge, Stanton, Garrett Cole obviously, but part of
me looks at this and you're batting Tommy Edmond at
the bottom of your order and Derek he's like the
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MVP of the Nation League Championship. There's no oxygen here,
like there's no out, And I do feel like I
kind of feel like I'm watching a stacked batting order
kind of beat the top heavy batting order.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's just more good hitters. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well? I think it's fair to say that the Dodgers
are very, very deep offensively. And look, we've been covering
the Dodgers now for a few weeks, and I'll be
honest with you. During the season, I don't see too
many Dodger games because I'm sleep Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'll tell you, I go to sleep early.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
But you know, you watch this team in one through nine,
they can beat you, you can't. We always talk about
navigating your way through a lineup, and there's really no
one you can exhale if you're a pitcher and relax
on because these guys are They put the ball in play.
They make contact. I think that's the biggest thing. They're
tough to strike out. These guys can hit. They can
hit for you know, base hits, they can hit home runs.
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I mean, they doing it all. And even you talk
about Aaron, Look at Otani hasn't really had, you know,
the type of series that I think everyone was expecting
him to have.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But the Dodgers are so deep. They're just tough, man,
They're tough, and they have a pretty good team then.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you know, Derek, you were outspoken on this, and
I appreciate that as somebody who is a legendary player.
That is why I wouldn't have pulled Garrett Cole for
the reason you just stated. If you haven't seen the
Dodgers a lot, if you can find a picture that
can get through the lineup, just go with him.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Don't mess around with it. Again, it's different.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's the Guardians, it's different, or if it's the Mets.
But I kind of thought in game one, if you
can navigate through this ridiculous batting order, just let Cole
go to he's on fumes And you were outspoken. Did
you do you think beyond game one it's set a
bad tone?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I would necessarily say tone.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I would I think, look, we don't have all the
information that the that the Ache's have, you know, the
things that they're dealing with. I mean, everyone has a
blueprint for success when you go into a particular game.
But you know, the way I look at it is
you have to watch and and Alex makes a good
point on this is you know you're just looking the
other dugout and you see what they do when they
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when you take the picture out.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
We faced a lot of great pictures.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And then when they come out of the game, everyone's
running to the backrack just because it's the look. And
I thought, you know, you know, I thought Garrett was pitching. Well,
who knows what was going on behind the scenes, But
I'm a firm believer. You just let him ride as
long as you can. But once again, let me just
say it again, I'm not sure exactly what was going
on behind the scenes, but if I was in the
other dugout, I would have been happy that Garrett Cole
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was coming out.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Freddie Freeman has hit a home run in five
straight World Series games dating back to Atlanta. This guy's
had he had his son, that story has been well documented,
his injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He is on a heater. Go to your playoff career.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Did you ever have somebody hitting behind you that you
just you couldn't wait to get on that They're just
seeing the I mean Freeman now like you expect to
hit when he comes to the plate.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, take me to your career.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, first, len me talk about Freddie. Yeah, let me
tell you about Freddy. First look, Freddie hits righty's, he
hits lefties, he hits fast balls, he hits off speed pitches.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
He hits the ball of left field, center field, right field.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Freddie Freeman is one of the best hitters overall hitters
in the game yesterday. I was saying to the guys,
he reminds me a little bit of Edgar Martinez. Yeah,
Edgar Martinez. Obviously he's right handed, but this is a
guy that hits for average.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
He hit for power.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You don't think of him as being a home run hitter,
but he hits for power. And that's exactly what Freddie does.
So when he was going through his issues with his ankle,
we're saying, if just having Freddie Freeman in the lineup
with one leg is gonna make you better. Yeah, now
he's feeling good, but I you know, it's tough, man,
you know, playing against guys. I mean, Manny Ramirez was
like that, David was like that, Ortiz When these guys
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come to the plate and you're like, geez, you don't
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But Freddy's he's locked in right now.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And when Freddie Freeman is locked in, there's really no
one way to pitch him. You just hope the person
behind them is not swinging to that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know, analytics are tough. I know Boonie I like him,
and I've said this before. The Yankees they don't make
a lot of moves Cashman's been there forever the VPS
Aaron Boone, I appreciate that. I like continuity in my life.
I like it in my business. Dave Roberts similarly, people
look at him in the aisle he doesn't inspire players,
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and I'm like, listen, players have to inspire themselves if
you're making three hundred million dollars. I think he's pulled
the right levers in the postseason. Again, you don't want
you say, you go to bed early, but what have
you seen from Dave Roberts that you like?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Oh, Dave, Well, first of all, Dave Roberts is probably
one of the best people you'll ever meet.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
He's always positive.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Look he you know, I think you talk to his players,
they'll tell you he's there to pump them up, whether
they're doing well in a slump and struggling a little bit.
When you're struggling, you need that positive reinforcement. Dave is there,
and look, I get it. As a manager, you really
don't get as much credit as you deserve when things
are going good, but when things are going bad, you
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basically get all the blame. But you know, Dave's been
a main stay there. He's a calming influence on the players.
He's a calming influence on the organization. You know what
to expect from him on a day to day basis,
and he's a big reason why they're here today.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, finally, you threw out the first pitch last night?
Did you practice that? Well, you're a little nervous.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I did. I didn't. You didn't, didn't? You know what
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I throw out the first pitch twice at Yankee Stadium
when they retired my number, and then a Hall of
Fame ceremony, and both times I threw from in front
of the mound. And that's the furthest throw I've thrown
since I've retired. And I didn't really think it was
going to be that big of a deal for people,
but you know me, text messages I got from everyone
saying don't bounce it, because you know, I told President
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Bush not to bounce it in two thousand and one,
so I would. The pressure was building. Yeah, and then
Kevin made a good point. It's not easy to do
with dress shoes on that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, you didn't get good footing at all. A tip
of the cat, Derek to you. Excellent work, hey man.
I appreciate it, all right, but good seeing you again,
you too, Take care all right. Derek Jeter one of
the all time greats. I have a feeling the Yankees
win tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think you can.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I mean, remember last time and I thought the Podreys
had the Dodgers in big trouble and they were going
to a bullpen game, and I'm like, I think Dodgers
are They're.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Cooked here, and they didn't have.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Eight guys throw a shut out, and like almost everybody
just threw an inning or an inning and a third.
It was like one of the craziest things. And the
Podreys were on fire and suddenly nobody could hit.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Now, where does Peter rank among your all time favorite
baseball players? Gotta be up there.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I would say my three favorite players of all time
are Johnny Bench, George Brett, Derek Jeter.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Wow, I go, Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, and then maybe
Jeter overtook him at some point.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
But I just love the Yankee obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I think, gee, you know, I always say this
about Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's the soul of the Ravens.
There's a lot of great quarterback He's the soul of it.
You could argue that Andy Reid and Mahomes share in
that in Kansas City, Andy's play design, crafty management, play
calling and Mahomes executes it. But there, I think Lamar
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is just the soul of the team. They are Lamar,
his work, ethic, his toughness. Jeter always felt like Jeter
and Mariano Rivera.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
You got to Posada in there, Bernie Williams. Yeah, that's
such a great squad a loaded.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
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Speaker 3 (11:46):
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Speaker 2 (11:47):
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Speaker 4 (11:52):
News.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
No.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
We haven't touched on the Cincinnati Bungles since they got
blown out Sunday by the Eagles. Man they dropped the
three and five com Since twenty twenty one, there have
been thirty three teams that have won ten or more
games and that have made the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Okay, so Bengals think, oh, we just got to get
to ten.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Well, Joe Burrow believes that, and he thinks they can
get the ten wins.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We gotta win seven out of nine.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That's doable.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
It it's doable, uh, solible for nine.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
I don't think anybody's been good enough so far to
people won win the games that we needed to.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, I don't think it's doable with that defense. I
really don't. And I think I'm serious about when I
said this. I don't think that organization, once you pay
Joe Burrow is going to be financially committed enough. When
they moved off Baits, you're moving up. They haven't paid
Jamar Chase yet.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
They haven't paid him yet.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They're already moving off Joe Mixon. They're already moving off.
The Rams will move off people, but they'll pay people.
They'll keep the right guys in the building. They're moving
off people a year in advance. They're I feel like
they're always te Here's Baltimore in the same division, adding
an expensive player.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
It does it feel like, I hate to say this,
their super Bowl window is closed.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's closed. Oh close, It's done, But.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
I don't know when it comes back. This almost has
a feel of Dan Marino. Remember Dan Marino goes to
the Super Bowl. I think in year two, everybody's like,
oh Marino, except for grit never got back yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Three of the best owners in the NFL, Guy in Buffalo,
Steve Bushatti Baltimore, and the Hunt family in Kansas City,
all by the way, not trying to hoard their money,
all paid more money to get a good player at
the trade deadline. You're either all in or you're all ut.
Cincinnati feels like not interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Now. I don't know if this team here can get
the Bengals schedule, but he said. Burrow said they needed
to win seven more Colin. I'm look at the schedule.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
They're all here, we go. We got the schedule. They're not.
There are a lot of wins here.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Okay, they're favored significantly against the Raiders, the Baltimore one.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Let's just give them one loss there.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They're not beating the Baltimore or the Chargers on them.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
They're not beating the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Nope, come on now, Chargers are not Chargers are getting healthy.
They're not beating the Chargers.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
They could beat Pittsburgh, Dallas doesn't scare anybody. Tennessee's a
dub boy.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You got all these Doe special Do you think they're
gonna beat Denver.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Let's not act like Denver's that good Denver. Who's Denver
be other than the Jets.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I mean again, there's the middle classes very thin in
the NFL this year. There's top heavy, and then there's
a lot of bad teams. Borrow's optimistic.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
I feel dumb picking them to go to the super
Bowl in the summer.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was foolish.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Let's get let's get to the NBA. Collins next story.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Lakers started three and oh had a tough l last
night to the Suns, but it was a great game.
I don't know if you saw the end of this
after the World Series. Lakers played great Suns were in
control for most of the game. Lakers and refused to quit.
A fourteen point second quarter really was the culprit, and
JJ Reddick took responsibility in the post game.
Speaker 9 (14:56):
We should never have a fourteen point quarter. So that's
that's on me. Well, part of that is me. I
got to make sure we're running good offense. But like
it was a little random. We got stalled out, talked
about it at halftime. For us to be a high
level offense, we've got to move bodies and we've got
to move the ball. And they got a screen and
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you know, They just kind of took us out of
what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Initially.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
We were great second half, We executed great the second half.
It's just that second quarter really hurt us.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
For the record, Lebron almost didn't get the double digit points.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Needed a three in the fourth quarter. A rough game
for Lebron, three or fourteen.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Nevertheless, Man, I'm watching this in JJ Reddick down three
with like fifteen seconds left, drew up a perfect out
of bounds play Austin Reaves open three. It just rimmed
out unlucky, you know. Overall though, Anthony Davis tremendous again,
Austin Reeves had a great game.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I'm just this Laker team looks way better.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
It's early, but this Laker team looks very, very good.
I got to give Kevin Duran a shout out. He
was attacking my guy, gave Vincent relentlessly in the clutch.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yes, I watched too. I had no money on the game,
but uh, you know, I love hoops.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You are not watching the World Series.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
No, the World Series was over at that point. Come on,
the World Series game was was it for nothing? Into
the ninth inning before the Yankees got.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, the Dodgers kept will going to wiggling out all
those jams, and then in the ninth inning, the Yankees
kind of made you a little nervous.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Why did they have g and Carlo Stanton running around
third base with a piano on his back trying to
beat the throw from Hernandez. He was running so slow.
I guarantee you you're faster than Stanton.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, let me look, it was a perfect throw. It
was a perfectly to Oscar Hernandez, Like that was a
perfect throw. I was sitting I went and saw my
friend last night, had a little chicken, parm and spinach,
one cocktail, and things got things got loud when that happened.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
It was, uh, you want to name the restaurant or no.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well, Sleigh Steak, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah in Manhattan Beach
for you. I was sitting there and watching it, and
it was it was I took a break from my chicken.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
But Stanton is I mean, come on? His forty times
got me like six seconds. I mean Tom Brady outruns
him in the forty Stanton, you gotta pick it up.
Hell Anyways, Yankees down three nothing. Final story Colin a
lot of NFL breaking news today. I don't know if
we touched on it, but Stefan Diggs has been ruled
out for the season.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
I don't acl at, to.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Be honest with you, If Nico Collins comes back and
Mixon's healthy, they're fine.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Let's not go overboard.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Plus, I gotta say Diggs, remember he was betting on
himself this year after Buffalo. He's a free agent after
this year, so he's not gonna get the big payday
coming off the ACL.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
It's really unfortunate for him.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Obviously, we had the news of the Colts benching Anthony Richardson.
You're fired up about that. And then about twenty five
minutes ago, Deontay Johnson goes back to the AFC North.
This time he goes to the Ravens, so he'll battle
the Steelers. That's a fun story. Remember Steelers are like, ah,
we've had enough of this guy.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know what fan?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think sometimes fans think everybody has the same salary cap. Okay,
then why can't the Cowboys afford anybody?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But the Chiefs, Bills and Ravens can.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Well, they're contenders. The Cowboys are not.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
No, but I mean they Dallas said they couldn't Afford
Derreck Henry last year at the trade deadline eight million.
It's just we all think all these teams salary cap equal.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
No they're not.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Baltimore's got players everywhere. Now, Baltimore's hit on a center,
on a receiver, on a safety. So Baltimore hits on
enough players in the draft, and so they get three
and four years of fairly cheap, you know, star players.
But it's like it's all the good AFC teams are
adding players. Interestingly, the NFC teams that are good Detroit
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not adding a pass rusher.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Yeah, there's only the best I can tell. There's one
receiver left, maybe two. I would keep an eye on
Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
He's very good.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Why did Belichick let him go?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I like him the either level. I'll throw this out there.
The Raiders wouldn't do it. If you were the Chargers.
Would you make a run on Jacoby Myers?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I think that, Yeah, Chargers need another receiver.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
They got lad mcconuckey's good and finding they need another weapon.
The other receiver I would keep an eye on is
Calvin Ridley and Tennessee if Myers.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He's becoming a bounce around a little bit on listen.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I mean, you gotta get good.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
But the two cornerbacks that it sounds like DJ Reid
of the Jets and Lugarious Need of the Titans. Keep
an eye on those two if anybody wants to fortify
their defense here.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I love this NFL trade deadline.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Kansas City fans don't want admit it, but the reason
everybody's going all in is because the Chiefs are vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You want to get into that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The reason everybody's going in is because the Chiefs have
gone in.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Well that too, but Kansas City is not an overwhelming
favorite right now to like steamroll through. I know they
have my homes and they have read but I'm just
telling you that offense is inferior to what Buffalo has
and what Baltimore has.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
But the defense, of course, is pretty formidable.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well that's the news, and thanks stopping by The Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Give you the very latest on the NFL trade deadline.
As we wrap it up next.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
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Speaker 1 (20:13):
World Series Game four tonight. We just had Derek Jeter
on so over the course of the weekend, the game
that got a lot of chatter was San Francisco and Dallas.
Dallas in big trouble. Wouldn't be shocked if they were
if they were moving off people to trade deadline, but
doesn't appear so yet. The other game that got everybody's
attention was Washington out playing Chicago but needing a Hail
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Mary to win. But what made this game so compelling
is even in the Hail Mary, you had Tarique Stevenson,
the Bears dB screwing off and eventually did not cover
the guy who made the catch. And I was saying
to Danny Parkins, a former radio star in Chicago, I said,
you know, I can't I can't believe there's not more
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fallout on Matt Eberflus and the Bears staff over that play.
And Danny said, oh, there has been.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
I talked to a player on the Bears last night
who said they like that their coaching staff empowers their
leadership council and takes feedback.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So I don't think that they're gonna break over this.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
But the thing with Matt Eberflus that drives me insane
is don't you know what on my shoes and tell me,
it's raining, Like he was like, I don't think we
needed a time out before the hail Mary because everyone
was in position. Tyreek Stevenson back was to the ball
like everyone wasn't in position. Matt Eberflus kind of chose
the route of denial instead of accountability. And that's the thing, honestly,
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more than the failed execution that bothered me most.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, it was, you know, it's just listen, you can't
bury the kid. Obviously, there's got to be, you know,
whatever the punishment is. He's a young player that made
a mistake. But when I watched this play, my takeaway was,
can you imagine a DV doing this under Belichick? It
would never happen. So I think that's just one of
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the things. There's two or three things you can see
from a football team that should worry you as a fan.
Jaymck when you're talking about a coach, is a guy
a good coach or a bad coach? So one of
the things I always look for from a good coach
when he gets a job, does he know his side
of the ball. You can criticize Lincoln Riley, but the
offense is good at USC Does he know his side
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of the ball shit McDermott in Buffalo. Criticize them all
you want, he's been good on the defense for Buffalo.
First thing, one of the first things I don't like
about a coach is every weekend I get a different team.
Nick Sirianni and Philadelphia. You have no idea half to
half what you're getting. It's this wild inconsistency. The other
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thing that I've noticed in my life about football coaches,
Caitlin de bor is getting some heat in Alabama over this.
I think it's unfair, but it's what he's getting heat
coaches that let stuff slide. I've had bosses like this
that they just don't take stuff seriously. They're just not
paying attention. And when I watch that Hail Mary play,
I do not believe that a Bill Belichick ten years ago,
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a Patriot player would be doing this. I just I
and again, he's a young kid. Find me the video
where I'm wrong. But that falls on the staff as
much as the players.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's easy to say, Colin hold the players accountable. They're
twenty five, first time in their life, they're millionaires. Like
kids make mistakes, that's account It's like you can blame
the kid. But when my son is seventeen years old
and makes a mistake, some of it's on the parents
your kid. I mean, you always tell your kids do
the basics right, shower hygiene, do your homework. Well, when
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kids show up the next day to class and they
don't have their homework done, is that on the parent
because I tell you that was the first thing over.
So told my kids first thing. You know, when you
come home, finish your homework. Then you can have snacks,
go out, play, swim, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Do your homework.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So when the kid doesn't do his homework, the parents
are respond as much as the kid is for So what.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Do we just shadow our kids and make sure they
do their homework every single day?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did?
Speaker 7 (24:06):
You know, sometimes there's got to be sinker swim. We
went through that recently. I hope my son doesn't get
upset with this, but you know, he went through a
pack where he was focused on his his YouTube channel,
you know, and he was focused on his friends and
all this stuff, and.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
He used to be straight a's. His grades dipped a bit.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
We let them dip, and then we pointed out, hey,
your grades dipped, and we pulled the plug on everything.
He realized that right you got to you got a
sink or swim. He got his grades back up and
he got his stuff back. But Colin, you can't baby
this kid. Stevenson, he screwed up. I don't see how
that's on Iberflus. And by the way, are the Bears
doing enough to support him?
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
They drafted Roma Dunza, they got DeAndre Swift like they're
doing a.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Lot to support Caleb.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
You can't blame this kid. He blamed Eberflues for Stevenson
screwing him.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Come on, but I mean, look at the game. Weird
red zone off.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Is that on the OC or is that on Eberflus?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well again, eber Flus can have a headset on I
mean Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick was not inserting the plays.
Bill Belichick wasn't creating them. But Belichick would say, and
I heard a story one time, Belichick yelling on the
headset to Josh McDaniel, don't pad your resume on this.
It's about winning a game, not getting you a fancy touchdown.
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So a coach's job is to coach for the win.
Sometimes a special teams coach wants to go for a
block because he wants to, you know, I mean, it's like, hey,
I led the league in blocks. A head coach's job
is that, guys, we're not going for a block here,
you know, mass protect get it down the field. So
that's what a coach does. There's too many things.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Going on here.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, all I know is this is the play
before the hail Mary did not look like So the
play before the hail Mary did not look well coached.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They had a spy on Jaden Daniels, which doesn't make
any sense. Then the hail mary looks poorly coached that
you're supposed to go over on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Those are the Saturday practice things.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Buttoned up as you like to say. The Bears defense
is not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ask yourself this if I say like one or two words.
So Hartbaugh's only been coaching the Chargers for what five
six seven games? They already look more physical in the
last two years. They're flawed, but they're a physical football team. Hell,
the first week they played, we said, god JK. Dobbins,
they're physical.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Already created a culture if I say to you Kansas
City where it's like, oh, They're clever, adaptable, and genius.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Okay, but that's what you think.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Comment him Harbaugh and Andy Reid compared to Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No, no, no no, But I'm saying, it's not about that.
It's about what is the culture. So when Sean mcvay's
first year, first year in LA, they cleaned up that
old line immediately with Whitworth and they were a power
run team that threw great on play action. The good
coaches create a culture. Go to Dan Campbell. You and
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I were working together. So Dan Campbell takes over Detroit.
In the first year, they weren't winning.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
They were what one and seven?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh, but I remember going on the air and I
think they lost at home to Baltimore, and I remember
going on the air saying that team plays so hard.
He created a culture. Let me ask you Eberflu's third year, what.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Are the better I'm not a huge fan of Eberflus.
You're beating up on the guy a lot. Here here's
the bigger problem. Okay, let's say you dust Eberflus after
the season. You're now getting a new head coach and
a new OC. You're starting over everything new, Okay, caab Oh, yeah,
maybe that's the best.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
By the way, you hated Washington doing that, and I
told you, well.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Washington new owner, head coach, quarterback os.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You were against Washington. You said they got all new stuff,
and I said, yeah, but when all the new people
are better than all the old people, all take new stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm not Ryan Poles. The GM has been fine.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But my take is, I don't I don't think when
I watched that second half, just on the play before
the Hail Mary, the hail Mary, the center getting the ball,
that second half was a mess of coaching.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
They did come back from down nine to nothing, and
the defense was awesome in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Stop in montesaw it that guy, do you talk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You got to give the credit to Ryan Poles when
they pulled off that Montest sweat for a second rounder,
and I remember that. Everybody crapped on Chicago and we're like,
you guys, watch Montest sweat play. Dude, he's chasing down
Jade and Daniel running him down is a two hundred
and ninety five pound guy.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Okay, let's spind this forward. He seems like you like
Poles and he'll keep his job. Let's say Eber Flus
is gone. Does Poles go back to the Kansas City Tree?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Where do they go?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Poles can stay there, I'm saying. I'm saying, I see
a louse ship and no real culture in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So let's help him.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
JANC Consulting, give me some names for the Chicago Bears
head coaching job, which is going to be open at
this rate.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You go to.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
College, you Lincoln Riley, What are we doing here? Oh yeah,
I see the wheels turning on the Lincoln Road.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Just because j NC Consulting has the answers, we don't
have the answers immediately.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I have to go back to.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
My to my board, to the whiteboard. This consulting firm
has to ask their consulting firm. It's a good quot,
but I just when I watch that game, I'm like, oh,
that that's bad.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So let's not sugarcoat it. That was bad.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I mean the Dodgers, we question their pitching, and then
they shut out the Podreys back to back, and then
we questioned their pitching against the Maps, and they did
the same thing. So they go with a bullpen group tonight,
and you'd think it would be time to eat for
the Yankees. But I gotta tell you what, Dave Roberts
is pulling the right strings forty different pitchers. Walker Buehler
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last night, I thought was a really excellent Derek Jeter.
Seven World Series appearances, five time champ. So let's start
with Walker, because I remember when he came to the Dodgers,
he was gonna be not Kershaw, but the next great arm.
And he threw, he threw hard, young babyface. Then he
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gets hurt and then he comes back and it's like
he doesn't quite overpower you but he's still effective.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What do you see from him?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well, i'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
You know. The thing is, you said it when I
think when Walker came up, he threw so hard that
he could just throw the ball right by you.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Anytime he gets in trouble, you rear back, you throw
a hundred.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Now he's turned into a pitcher, and I think in
this day and age, people pay so much attention to
velocity and strikeouts, where if you actually just go out
there and pitch, he hitters off balance, haven't put the
ball in play, let your defense play behind you. You
understand that you can win that way as well. So
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it was really Actually it was fun to watch Walker
because I think you mentioned it. When he came up,
he was the guy that was gonna be the A
to the Dodgers. Unfortunately had a few injuries that set
them back. But I think he's a much better pitcher
now than he was when he first came up.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So I went and looked five minutes ago. I went
and looked at.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Derek Jeter career playoff stats, and you literally had no slumps.
It's just unbelievable. So you can't relate to the question.
I'm going to ask, but you probably had one or
two slumps in your career when you're going through what
Aaron Judge is going through. I remember a Rod having
they dropped him in the order to eight. He just struggled.
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Is it emotional? Is are you overthinking? Because golf and
baseball you got a lot of time to sit and
think about your next at, you know, at bat or shot.
The times you were in I mean literally once or
twice in your career in a slump. What's going through
your head?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Well, I'd say, you know, look, that's a little unfair
because I've had my fair share of slumps. I remember
in two thousand one World Series. I was I wasn't
doing too well the first game, so I hit that
home run, that mister November home run.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But that's all anyone remembers.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
They don't remember, you know, us facing Shilling and Randy
Johnson and our entire offense was slumping. So I think
I'm not talking about Aaron in particular, but when you're
in a postseason series and you're not performing how you
would like to perform or what the expectations are of
you at the time, you start putting a little pressure
on yourself because you want to contribute, you want to
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help your team out, especially when your team's not winning,
and you may try to do too much. But then
another thing, in the postseason, you're playing, you're hitting against
the best pitchers in the league in that particular year.
So if you're not feeling great, if you are struggling
a little bit, scuffling, trying to find your swing, it's
hard to find it when you're facing the best pitchers
in the league.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Listen, could I felt this about the Mets. The Mets
had one great player and then a bunch of good players,
and the Dodgers had several great players. Now, I do
think Soto, Judge, Stanton, Garrett Cole obviously, but part of
me looks at this and you're batting Tommy Edmond at
the bottom of your order and Derek he's like the
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MVP of the Nation League Championship. There's no oxygen here,
like there's no out, And I do feel like I
kind of feel like I'm watching a stacked batting order
kind of beat the top heavy batting order.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's just more good hitters. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well? I think it's fair to say that the Dodgers
are very, very deep offensively. And look, we've been covering
the Dodgers now for a few weeks, and I'll be
honest with you. During the season, I don't see too
many Dodger games because I'm sleep Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'll tell you, I go to sleep early.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
But you know, you watch this team in one through nine,
they can beat you, you can't. We always talk about
navigating your way through a lineup, and there's really no
one you can exhale if you're a pitcher and relax
on because these guys are They put the ball in play.
They make contact. I think that's the biggest thing. They're
tough to strike out. These guys can hit. They can
hit for you know, base hits, they can hit home runs.
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I mean, they doing it all. And even you talk
about Aaron, Look at Otani hasn't really had, you know,
the type of series that I think everyone was expecting
him to have.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But the Dodgers are so deep. They're just tough, man,
They're tough, and they have a pretty good team then.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you know, Derek, you were outspoken on this, and
I appreciate that as somebody who is a legendary player.
That is why I wouldn't have pulled Garrett Cole for
the reason you just stated. If you haven't seen the
Dodgers a lot, if you can find a picture that
can get through the lineup, just go with him.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Don't mess around with it. Again, it's different.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's the Guardians, it's different, or if it's the Mets.
But I kind of thought in game one, if you
can navigate through this ridiculous batting order, just let Cole
go to he's on fumes And you were outspoken. Did
you do you think beyond game one it's set a
bad tone?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I would necessarily say tone.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I would I think, look, we don't have all the
information that the that the Ache's have, you know, the
things that they're dealing with. I mean, everyone has a
blueprint for success when you go into a particular game.
But you know, the way I look at it is
you have to watch and and Alex makes a good
point on this is you know you're just looking the
other dugout and you see what they do when they
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when you take the picture out.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
We faced a lot of great pictures.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And then when they come out of the game, everyone's
running to the backrack just because it's the look. And
I thought, you know, you know, I thought Garrett was pitching. Well,
who knows what was going on behind the scenes, But
I'm a firm believer. You just let him ride as
long as you can. But once again, let me just
say it again, I'm not sure exactly what was going
on behind the scenes, but if I was in the
other dugout, I would have been happy that Garrett Cole
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was coming out.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Freddie Freeman has hit a home run in five
straight World Series games dating back to Atlanta. This guy's
had he had his son, that story has been well documented,
his injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
He is on a heater. Go to your playoff career.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Did you ever have somebody hitting behind you that you
just you couldn't wait to get on that They're just
seeing the I mean Freeman now like you expect to
hit when he comes to the plate.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, take me to your career.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, first, len me talk about Freddie. Yeah, let me
tell you about Freddy. First look, Freddie hits righty's, he
hits lefties, he hits fast balls, he hits off speed pitches.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
He hits the ball of left field, center field, right field.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Freddie Freeman is one of the best hitters overall hitters
in the game yesterday. I was saying to the guys,
he reminds me a little bit of Edgar Martinez. Yeah,
Edgar Martinez. Obviously he's right handed, but this is a
guy that hits for average.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
He hit for power.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You don't think of him as being a home run hitter,
but he hits for power. And that's exactly what Freddie does.
So when he was going through his issues with his ankle,
we're saying, if just having Freddie Freeman in the lineup
with one leg is gonna make you better. Yeah, now
he's feeling good, but I you know, it's tough, man,
you know, playing against guys. I mean, Manny Ramirez was
like that, David was like that, Ortiz When these guys
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come to the plate and you're like, geez, you don't
know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But Freddy's he's locked in right now.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And when Freddie Freeman is locked in, there's really no
one way to pitch him. You just hope the person
behind them is not swinging to that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know, analytics are tough. I know Boonie I like him,
and I've said this before. The Yankees they don't make
a lot of moves Cashman's been there forever the VPS
Aaron Boone, I appreciate that. I like continuity in my life.
I like it in my business. Dave Roberts similarly, people
look at him in the aisle he doesn't inspire players,
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and I'm like, listen, players have to inspire themselves if
you're making three hundred million dollars. I think he's pulled
the right levers in the postseason. Again, you don't want
you say, you go to bed early, but what have
you seen from Dave Roberts that you like?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Oh, Dave, Well, first of all, Dave Roberts is probably
one of the best people you'll ever meet.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
He's always positive.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Look he you know, I think you talk to his players,
they'll tell you he's there to pump them up, whether
they're doing well in a slump and struggling a little bit.
When you're struggling, you need that positive reinforcement. Dave is there,
and look, I get it. As a manager, you really
don't get as much credit as you deserve when things
are going good, but when things are going bad, you
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basically get all the blame. But you know, Dave's been
a main stay there. He's a calming influence on the players.
He's a calming influence on the organization. You know what
to expect from him on a day to day basis,
and he's a big reason why they're here today.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, finally, you threw out the first pitch last night?
Did you practice that? Well, you're a little nervous.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I did. I didn't. You didn't, didn't? You know what
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I throw out the first pitch twice at Yankee Stadium
when they retired my number, and then a Hall of
Fame ceremony, and both times I threw from in front
of the mound. And that's the furthest throw I've thrown
since I've retired. And I didn't really think it was
going to be that big of a deal for people,
but you know me, text messages I got from everyone
saying don't bounce it, because you know, I told President
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Bush not to bounce it in two thousand and one,
so I would. The pressure was building. Yeah, and then
Kevin made a good point. It's not easy to do
with dress shoes on that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, you didn't get good footing at all. A tip
of the cat, Derek to you. Excellent work, hey man.
I appreciate it, all right, but good seeing you again,
you too, Take care all right. Derek Jeter one of
the all time greats. I have a feeling the Yankees
win tonight.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I think you can.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I mean, remember last time and I thought the Podreys
had the Dodgers in big trouble and they were going
to a bullpen game, and I'm like, I think Dodgers
are They're.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Cooked here, and they didn't have.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Eight guys throw a shut out, and like almost everybody
just threw an inning or an inning and a third.
It was like one of the craziest things. And the
Podreys were on fire and suddenly nobody could hit.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So we'll see.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Now, where does Peter rank among your all time favorite
baseball players? Gotta be up there.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I would say my three favorite players of all time
are Johnny Bench, George Brett, Derek Jeter.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
Wow, I go, Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, and then maybe
Jeter overtook him at some point.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
But I just love the Yankee obviously.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I think, gee, you know, I always say this
about Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's the soul of the Ravens.
There's a lot of great quarterback He's the soul of it.
You could argue that Andy Reid and Mahomes share in
that in Kansas City, Andy's play design, crafty management, play
calling and Mahomes executes it. But there, I think Lamar
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is just the soul of the team. They are Lamar,
his work, ethic, his toughness. Jeter always felt like Jeter
and Mariano Rivera.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
You got to Posada in there, Bernie Williams. Yeah, that's
such a great squad a loaded.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah.
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Speaker 7 (11:53):
We haven't touched on the Cincinnati Bungles since they got
blown out Sunday by the Eagles. Man they dropped the
three and five com Since twenty twenty one, there have
been thirty three teams that have won ten or more
games and that have made the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Okay, so Bengals think, oh, we just got to get
to ten.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Well, Joe Burrow believes that, and he thinks they can
get the ten wins.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We gotta win seven out of nine.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That's doable.
Speaker 9 (12:17):
It it's doable, uh, solible for nine.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
I don't think anybody's been good enough so far to
people won win the games that we needed to.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, I don't think it's doable with that defense. I
really don't. And I think I'm serious about when I
said this. I don't think that organization, once you pay
Joe Burrow is going to be financially committed enough. When
they moved off Baits, you're moving up. They haven't paid
Jamar Chase yet.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
They haven't paid him yet.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They're already moving off Joe Mixon. They're already moving off.
The Rams will move off people, but they'll pay people.
They'll keep the right guys in the building. They're moving
off people a year in advance. They're I feel like
they're always te Here's Baltimore in the same division, adding
an expensive player.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
It does it feel like, I hate to say this,
their super Bowl window is closed.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's closed. Oh close, It's done, But.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
I don't know when it comes back. This almost has
a feel of Dan Marino. Remember Dan Marino goes to
the Super Bowl. I think in year two, everybody's like,
oh Marino, except for grit never got back yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Three of the best owners in the NFL, Guy in Buffalo,
Steve Bushatti Baltimore, and the Hunt family in Kansas City,
all by the way, not trying to hoard their money,
all paid more money to get a good player at
the trade deadline. You're either all in or you're all ut.
Cincinnati feels like not interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Now. I don't know if this team here can get
the Bengals schedule, but he said. Burrow said they needed
to win seven more Colin. I'm look at the schedule.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
They're all here, we go. We got the schedule. They're not.
There are a lot of wins here.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Okay, they're favored significantly against the Raiders, the Baltimore one.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Let's just give them one loss there.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They're not beating the Baltimore or the Chargers on them.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
They're not beating the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Nope, come on now, Chargers are not Chargers are getting healthy.
They're not beating the Chargers.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
They could beat Pittsburgh, Dallas doesn't scare anybody. Tennessee's a
dub boy.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You got all these Doe special Do you think they're
gonna beat Denver.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Let's not act like Denver's that good Denver. Who's Denver
be other than the Jets.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I mean again, there's the middle classes very thin in
the NFL this year. There's top heavy, and then there's
a lot of bad teams. Borrow's optimistic.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
I feel dumb picking them to go to the super
Bowl in the summer.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That was foolish.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Let's get let's get to the NBA. Collins next story.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Lakers started three and oh had a tough l last
night to the Suns, but it was a great game.
I don't know if you saw the end of this
after the World Series. Lakers played great Suns were in
control for most of the game. Lakers and refused to quit.
A fourteen point second quarter really was the culprit, and
JJ Reddick took responsibility in the post game.
Speaker 9 (14:56):
We should never have a fourteen point quarter. So that's
that's on me. Well, part of that is me. I
got to make sure we're running good offense. But like
it was a little random. We got stalled out, talked
about it at halftime. For us to be a high
level offense, we've got to move bodies and we've got
to move the ball. And they got a screen and
(15:18):
you know, They just kind of took us out of
what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Initially.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
We were great second half, We executed great the second half.
It's just that second quarter really hurt us.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
For the record, Lebron almost didn't get the double digit points.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Needed a three in the fourth quarter. A rough game
for Lebron, three or fourteen.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Nevertheless, Man, I'm watching this in JJ Reddick down three
with like fifteen seconds left, drew up a perfect out
of bounds play Austin Reaves open three. It just rimmed
out unlucky, you know. Overall though, Anthony Davis tremendous again,
Austin Reeves had a great game.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I'm just this Laker team looks way better.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
It's early, but this Laker team looks very, very good.
I got to give Kevin Duran a shout out. He
was attacking my guy, gave Vincent relentlessly in the clutch.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yes, I watched too. I had no money on the game,
but uh, you know, I love hoops.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You are not watching the World Series.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
No, the World Series was over at that point. Come on,
the World Series game was was it for nothing? Into
the ninth inning before the Yankees got.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, the Dodgers kept will going to wiggling out all
those jams, and then in the ninth inning, the Yankees
kind of made you a little nervous.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Why did they have g and Carlo Stanton running around
third base with a piano on his back trying to
beat the throw from Hernandez. He was running so slow.
I guarantee you you're faster than Stanton.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, let me look, it was a perfect throw. It
was a perfectly to Oscar Hernandez, Like that was a
perfect throw. I was sitting I went and saw my
friend last night, had a little chicken, parm and spinach,
one cocktail, and things got things got loud when that happened.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
It was, uh, you want to name the restaurant or no.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well, Sleigh Steak, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah in Manhattan Beach
for you. I was sitting there and watching it, and
it was it was I took a break from my chicken.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
But Stanton is I mean, come on? His forty times
got me like six seconds. I mean Tom Brady outruns
him in the forty Stanton, you gotta pick it up.
Hell Anyways, Yankees down three nothing. Final story Colin a
lot of NFL breaking news today. I don't know if
we touched on it, but Stefan Diggs has been ruled
out for the season.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
I don't acl at, to.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Be honest with you, If Nico Collins comes back and
Mixon's healthy, they're fine.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Let's not go overboard.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Plus, I gotta say Diggs, remember he was betting on
himself this year after Buffalo. He's a free agent after
this year, so he's not gonna get the big payday
coming off the ACL.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
It's really unfortunate for him.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Obviously, we had the news of the Colts benching Anthony Richardson.
You're fired up about that. And then about twenty five
minutes ago, Deontay Johnson goes back to the AFC North.
This time he goes to the Ravens, so he'll battle
the Steelers. That's a fun story. Remember Steelers are like, ah,
we've had enough of this guy.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know what fan?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think sometimes fans think everybody has the same salary cap. Okay,
then why can't the Cowboys afford anybody?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But the Chiefs, Bills and Ravens can.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Well, they're contenders. The Cowboys are not.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
No, but I mean they Dallas said they couldn't Afford
Derreck Henry last year at the trade deadline eight million.
It's just we all think all these teams salary cap equal.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
No they're not.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Baltimore's got players everywhere. Now, Baltimore's hit on a center,
on a receiver, on a safety. So Baltimore hits on
enough players in the draft, and so they get three
and four years of fairly cheap, you know, star players.
But it's like it's all the good AFC teams are
adding players. Interestingly, the NFC teams that are good Detroit
(18:41):
not adding a pass rusher.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Yeah, there's only the best I can tell. There's one
receiver left, maybe two. I would keep an eye on
Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
He's very good.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Why did Belichick let him go?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I like him the either level. I'll throw this out there.
The Raiders wouldn't do it. If you were the Chargers.
Would you make a run on Jacoby Myers?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I think that, Yeah, Chargers need another receiver.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
They got lad mcconuckey's good and finding they need another weapon.
The other receiver I would keep an eye on is
Calvin Ridley and Tennessee if Myers.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He's becoming a bounce around a little bit on listen.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I mean, you gotta get good.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
But the two cornerbacks that it sounds like DJ Reid
of the Jets and Lugarious Need of the Titans. Keep
an eye on those two if anybody wants to fortify
their defense here.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I love this NFL trade deadline.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Kansas City fans don't want admit it, but the reason
everybody's going all in is because the Chiefs are vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You want to get into that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The reason everybody's going in is because the Chiefs have
gone in.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Well that too, but Kansas City is not an overwhelming
favorite right now to like steamroll through. I know they
have my homes and they have read but I'm just
telling you that offense is inferior to what Buffalo has
and what Baltimore has.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
But the defense, of course, is pretty formidable.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well that's the news, and thanks stopping by The Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Give you the very latest on the NFL trade deadline.
As we wrap it up next.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
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Speaker 1 (20:13):
World Series Game four tonight. We just had Derek Jeter
on so over the course of the weekend, the game
that got a lot of chatter was San Francisco and Dallas.
Dallas in big trouble. Wouldn't be shocked if they were
if they were moving off people to trade deadline, but
doesn't appear so yet. The other game that got everybody's
attention was Washington out playing Chicago but needing a Hail
(20:36):
Mary to win. But what made this game so compelling
is even in the Hail Mary, you had Tarique Stevenson,
the Bears dB screwing off and eventually did not cover
the guy who made the catch. And I was saying
to Danny Parkins, a former radio star in Chicago, I said,
you know, I can't I can't believe there's not more
(20:58):
fallout on Matt Eberflus and the Bears staff over that play.
And Danny said, oh, there has been.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
I talked to a player on the Bears last night
who said they like that their coaching staff empowers their
leadership council and takes feedback.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So I don't think that they're gonna break over this.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
But the thing with Matt Eberflus that drives me insane
is don't you know what on my shoes and tell me,
it's raining, Like he was like, I don't think we
needed a time out before the hail Mary because everyone
was in position. Tyreek Stevenson back was to the ball
like everyone wasn't in position. Matt Eberflus kind of chose
the route of denial instead of accountability. And that's the thing, honestly,
(21:38):
more than the failed execution that bothered me most.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, it was, you know, it's just listen, you can't
bury the kid. Obviously, there's got to be, you know,
whatever the punishment is. He's a young player that made
a mistake. But when I watched this play, my takeaway was,
can you imagine a DV doing this under Belichick? It
would never happen. So I think that's just one of
(22:01):
the things. There's two or three things you can see
from a football team that should worry you as a fan.
Jaymck when you're talking about a coach, is a guy
a good coach or a bad coach? So one of
the things I always look for from a good coach
when he gets a job, does he know his side
of the ball. You can criticize Lincoln Riley, but the
offense is good at USC Does he know his side
(22:22):
of the ball shit McDermott in Buffalo. Criticize them all
you want, he's been good on the defense for Buffalo.
First thing, one of the first things I don't like
about a coach is every weekend I get a different team.
Nick Sirianni and Philadelphia. You have no idea half to
half what you're getting. It's this wild inconsistency. The other
(22:45):
thing that I've noticed in my life about football coaches,
Caitlin de bor is getting some heat in Alabama over this.
I think it's unfair, but it's what he's getting heat
coaches that let stuff slide. I've had bosses like this
that they just don't take stuff seriously. They're just not
paying attention. And when I watch that Hail Mary play,
I do not believe that a Bill Belichick ten years ago,
(23:09):
a Patriot player would be doing this. I just I
and again, he's a young kid. Find me the video
where I'm wrong. But that falls on the staff as
much as the players.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's easy to say, Colin hold the players accountable. They're
twenty five, first time in their life, they're millionaires. Like
kids make mistakes, that's account It's like you can blame
the kid. But when my son is seventeen years old
and makes a mistake, some of it's on the parents
your kid. I mean, you always tell your kids do
the basics right, shower hygiene, do your homework. Well, when
(23:42):
kids show up the next day to class and they
don't have their homework done, is that on the parent
because I tell you that was the first thing over.
So told my kids first thing. You know, when you
come home, finish your homework. Then you can have snacks,
go out, play, swim, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Do your homework.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So when the kid doesn't do his homework, the parents
are respond as much as the kid is for So what.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Do we just shadow our kids and make sure they
do their homework every single day?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did?
Speaker 7 (24:06):
You know, sometimes there's got to be sinker swim. We
went through that recently. I hope my son doesn't get
upset with this, but you know, he went through a
pack where he was focused on his his YouTube channel,
you know, and he was focused on his friends and
all this stuff, and.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
He used to be straight a's. His grades dipped a bit.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
We let them dip, and then we pointed out, hey,
your grades dipped, and we pulled the plug on everything.
He realized that right you got to you got a
sink or swim. He got his grades back up and
he got his stuff back. But Colin, you can't baby
this kid. Stevenson, he screwed up. I don't see how
that's on Iberflus. And by the way, are the Bears
doing enough to support him?
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
They drafted Roma Dunza, they got DeAndre Swift like they're
doing a.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Lot to support Caleb.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
You can't blame this kid. He blamed Eberflues for Stevenson
screwing him.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Come on, but I mean, look at the game. Weird
red zone off.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Is that on the OC or is that on Eberflus?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well again, eber Flus can have a headset on I
mean Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick was not inserting the plays.
Bill Belichick wasn't creating them. But Belichick would say, and
I heard a story one time, Belichick yelling on the
headset to Josh McDaniel, don't pad your resume on this.
It's about winning a game, not getting you a fancy touchdown.
(25:18):
So a coach's job is to coach for the win.
Sometimes a special teams coach wants to go for a
block because he wants to, you know, I mean, it's like, hey,
I led the league in blocks. A head coach's job
is that, guys, we're not going for a block here,
you know, mass protect get it down the field. So
that's what a coach does. There's too many things.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Going on here.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, all I know is this is the play
before the hail Mary did not look like So the
play before the hail Mary did not look well coached.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They had a spy on Jaden Daniels, which doesn't make
any sense. Then the hail mary looks poorly coached that
you're supposed to go over on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Those are the Saturday practice things.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Buttoned up as you like to say. The Bears defense
is not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ask yourself this if I say like one or two words.
So Hartbaugh's only been coaching the Chargers for what five
six seven games? They already look more physical in the
last two years. They're flawed, but they're a physical football team. Hell,
the first week they played, we said, god JK. Dobbins,
they're physical.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Already created a culture if I say to you Kansas
City where it's like, oh, They're clever, adaptable, and genius.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Okay, but that's what you think.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Comment him Harbaugh and Andy Reid compared to Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
No, no, no no, But I'm saying, it's not about that.
It's about what is the culture. So when Sean mcvay's
first year, first year in LA, they cleaned up that
old line immediately with Whitworth and they were a power
run team that threw great on play action. The good
coaches create a culture. Go to Dan Campbell. You and
(27:05):
I were working together. So Dan Campbell takes over Detroit.
In the first year, they weren't winning.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
They were what one and seven?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh, but I remember going on the air and I
think they lost at home to Baltimore, and I remember
going on the air saying that team plays so hard.
He created a culture. Let me ask you Eberflu's third year, what.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Are the better I'm not a huge fan of Eberflus.
You're beating up on the guy a lot. Here here's
the bigger problem. Okay, let's say you dust Eberflus after
the season. You're now getting a new head coach and
a new OC. You're starting over everything new, Okay, caab Oh, yeah,
maybe that's the best.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
By the way, you hated Washington doing that, and I
told you, well.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Washington new owner, head coach, quarterback os.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You were against Washington. You said they got all new stuff,
and I said, yeah, but when all the new people
are better than all the old people, all take new stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm not Ryan Poles. The GM has been fine.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But my take is, I don't I don't think when
I watched that second half, just on the play before
the Hail Mary, the hail Mary, the center getting the ball,
that second half was a mess of coaching.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
They did come back from down nine to nothing, and
the defense was awesome in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Stop in montesaw it that guy, do you talk?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You got to give the credit to Ryan Poles when
they pulled off that Montest sweat for a second rounder,
and I remember that. Everybody crapped on Chicago and we're like,
you guys, watch Montest sweat play. Dude, he's chasing down
Jade and Daniel running him down is a two hundred
and ninety five pound guy.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Okay, let's spind this forward. He seems like you like
Poles and he'll keep his job. Let's say Eber Flus
is gone. Does Poles go back to the Kansas City Tree?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Where do they go?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Poles can stay there, I'm saying. I'm saying, I see
a louse ship and no real culture in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So let's help him.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
JANC Consulting, give me some names for the Chicago Bears
head coaching job, which is going to be open at
this rate.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You go to.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
College, you Lincoln Riley, What are we doing here? Oh yeah,
I see the wheels turning on the Lincoln Road.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Just because j NC Consulting has the answers, we don't
have the answers immediately.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I have to go back to.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
My to my board, to the whiteboard. This consulting firm
has to ask their consulting firm. It's a good quot,
but I just when I watch that game, I'm like, oh,
that that's bad.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So let's not sugarcoat it. That was bad.
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