October 31, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin credits the Dodgers for winning the World Series after some disappointing exits and why this LA team finally showed some toughness to finally get over the hump
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strike fast, strike hard, no mercy. Okay, it's like the
New York Jets or the Dodge. Last night. Yes, well, uh,
happy Halloween, everybody. Greg co selling one hour, Greg Co
selling one hour. Let's start with this. Two things seemed
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very very clear watching the World Series Number one. The
Yankees make a lot of mistakes, and most of them
seemed to happen. In the fifth inning last night, with
a five to nothing lead, the New York Yankees unraveled.
First Aaron Judge dropping a routine fly ball, basic fundamentals,
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he'd just broken out of a slump, absolutely jaw dropping.
That was followed shortly thereafter by the Yankee shortstop Anthony
Volpe bouncing a ball to third again routine play. How
about this? Followed bizarrely by Garrett Cole miscommunication not covering
first base. That's day one of spring training stuff. The
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El Segundo Little League team had that stuff buttoned up.
What's going on? Suddenly a five nothing Yankee lead. They
could have been out of the inning if Garrett Cole
gets to first evaporated first, there's Freddy Freeman, Yes, Freddy Freeman,
the MVP two RBI single. Now it's five to three,
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followed by Taosta Hernandez. Remember early this year in New
York in the regular season, he owned the Yankees. He
did it here, drives in two with a double. It's
five to five, all five runs unearned, all five of them,
and we are tied. It didn't end there. We go
to the eighth inning. A huge break. Otani was struggling
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with his confidence. He comes up and the Yankees let
him off the hook a catcher's interference. Crazy Otani in
this situation had struggled all series. Next batter up, wouldn't
you know it, Mookie Betts. Mookie Bets with a sack
fly Dodgers take their first and only lead at seven
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to six. So that's the first thing we noticed the
Yankees making a lot of mistakes. The second thing is
the Dodgers proved literally they weren't just rich and talented.
They were resilient outfielders moving to the infield because of
an injury Tommy edmund or role players being inserted to
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the starting lineup Keick Hernandez or your star Walker Buehler
on two days rest being asked to close eight different
Dodger pitchers last night pitched forty over the course of
a season, every move Dave Roberts, the manager made worked
or if it didn't the bullpen game, it was part
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of a bigger plan. Yes, the Dodgers have an A
Norman's payroll. Yes they outbid people for stars, but half
of them, especially the starting staff, seemed injured all year.
This organization, it had been lamented for years. They didn't
play inspired, they weren't resilient, but yet they led the
National League in come from behind wins very early on.
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This team proved a resilience beyond the money, beyond the expectations.
Here capped by Walker Mueller, who we thought would start
in Game seven, Nope, raised his hand, all take the
mound and sealed the Dodgers' eighth World Series title. Here
it is the Dodgers, a strikeaway. Start the party, Los Angeles,
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your Dodgers have on the World Series.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm proud of the fact that we got more out
of our players. Certainly we got a lot of talent,
went through a lot of stuff, but I just saw
a different gear in our guys, a fight and it
didn't matter circumstances, who was taking the baseball, who was
taken in at that the score didn't matter. There was fight,
and so that's something that I wanted to pull from
our guys, and they performed.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Winning the World Championship, coming from down five runs in
the fifth, down one run in the eighth.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What does it say about this championship team?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I mean, obviously resilient, but there's so much love in
this clubhouse. That's Karen that won this game today. That's
what it was. It was love, it was grit. I mean,
it was just.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
And I'm just proud of us, and I'm just happy.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
For us well as far as the Yankees go, I
was reading this this morning. They're the only Major League
Baseball the New York Yankees all in the same game,
regular season or postseason since earned runs became an official
stat in nineteen thirteen. They're the only team to blow
a five plus run lead, allow five plus earner and runs,
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commit three airs, a back and catchers interference. Wow. Now,
once Aaron Judge hit that early home run for the Yankees,
it did feel like everybody could finally exhale. Right, he'd
been struggling. If Aaron Judge can't hit, the series is over.
And then he hits a bomb. But the Dodgers, from
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the Padre Series, the Mets series, the World Series stayed
even keel, good or bad. The Yankees didn't. You could
feel the stress with the Yankees the entire series. Aaron
Judge felt stressed out. Aaron Boone pulling Garrett Cole in
Game one created anxiety in games one in five with
Garrett Cole, New York had leads in later innings, but
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it never ever felt like they were under control, and
it always felt like it would come crashing down, and
it did. The stress, the anxiety and the pressure. Now
Aaron Judge his first ever air, first ever play center field.
I mean, you don't think that stress created the entire series.
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The Dodgers felt loose and inspired, maybe because they've been
there before, and the Yankees felt uptight. A back catcher's interference,
short hopping a ball to third not covering first. We've
seen it with Mahomes and Brady. Experience matters, especially in
those high leverage situations. The Dodgers had been here, dominating
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their division for years and winning in the postseason, not
always the World Series, but winning, and the Yankees haven't
outside of the American League Central, they just don't want
a lot of playoff series anymore. This became a nightmare
on one hundred and sixty first Street, and there was
a Freddy terrorizing everybody. His name was Freddy Freeman. But
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more than anything, even more than Freddie Freeman, it was
the stress, the mistakes, and the unraveling. The only game
the Yankees won in this World Series was the Dodger
bullpen game, and let me rephrase that, the Dodger's lower
tier bullpen game. Even their ace, Garrett Cole, finished two
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starts without a win. Here's Aaron Boone.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
After Yeah, we just said bad inning. You know, Garrett
was amazing, kept picking us up. You know, obviously a
few mistakes really cost us in that inning. It happens,
and and and that hurts. But that's also baseball.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
By the way, I don't think I've never seen and
we find out statistically it never happened. I've never seen
something happen in the fifth inning like that. Aaron Judge
first air a drop fly ball, the short hopped a
third not covering first. That was the crazy stuff. Then
a balk, then catcher's interference. But one of the advantages
of not going to a game because you don't see
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this when you're at a game, But going to a
game is more fun, especially a World Series game. But
one of the advantages of not going to a game
you see things on TV that you wouldn't notice when
you're there, and you could sense the stress. You could
sense the anxiety from the Yankees, and you could simultaneously
see the looseness and the joy and the inspired effort
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of the Dodgers playing with a chip on their shoulder
despite this massive payroll. And I thought it was very
obvious last night as it all came crashing down for
the Yankees in the fifth and the eight innings. J Mack,
we don't do a ton of baseball on this show,
but I would say this, and I'll talk about this later.
Jan Soto is on the market. It has been reported
the Dodgers are very, very interested in adding Juan Soto
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to Freeman, to Kershaw, to Betts, to Otani. And I
will tell you if any New York Yankee fan is
outraged by that, never forget ten to fifteen years ago,
the Hot Stove League was essentially the Yankee Red Sox.
That's all. It was, Yankees just outbidding everybody when they
had the cable advantage with the Yes Network. That's all gone.
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The Yankees are a smarter front office. They have more
money the Dodgers are now, and they're gonna use it.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You think he gets Otani type money in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh, I think Sodo will end up being I think
Otani is more global, and I think merchandise, I mean,
I was reading a story yesterday where the World Series
ratings were bigger in Japan it was in Crazed. So
the merchandise that Otani can fuel is just different. I
think it's different. But I think Sodo is regarded is
as fair as the best young talent in the sport,
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and so that market is in any sports league, you
could be Aunt Edwards Wemby Sodo. It doesn't matter what
sport it is, You're gonna get paid handsomely. All right,
coming up, Hey, We've got good news. I swear to you,
Greg co Sell. In one hour, we have good news
coming up for the city of New York.
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none of the ball. So here's good news for New York.
The New York Jets are going to win tonight on
Thursday Night football at home against the Houston Texans. The
New York Jets are going to win. It's gonna be
twenty four to twenty, twenty seven to twenty three. They're
going to win by about a field goal four points.
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Young quarterback c J. Stroud of Houston. Too many things
line up against him on the road short week. Receivers
are all banged up. They can't protect him. You know it,
Just this is a New York Giants win home. Teams
have done very well on Thursday night football. So when
the Jets win tonight, all I ask because they will win.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
C J.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Stroud by the way home, he's ten and two in
his career road he's under five hundred. Everything dips, completion percentage,
yards per game, touchdown passes, passer rating dips. He's just
he's like a lot of young quarterbacks. He is really
good potent. When everything's lined up, you put them on
the road. I can't quite hear missing a receiver. Protection
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breaks down. C J. Stroud, my guest, Jets are pretty
good on early downs. Defensively, it'll be a lot of
third and longs for c J. Stroud. Protection will be
an issue. Jets will win. All I'm asking is, when
you win tonight, could you have a moment. I'm not
asking for much of humility, just a moment because the
last time you went on Thursday night again at home
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short week against a team that wasn't in the right
spot to win New England. The next several days, New
York Media and Jets Nation had the composure of a
nine year old after eating two pieces of birthday cake.
Just take a deep breath. You're a two and six
football team. You do not have the infrastructure or leadership
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from the owner, the head coach, the offensive coordinator to
be an elite team. You are now in survival mode
at two and six. You'll be three and six after tonight.
There's two or three teams teams in the AFC, let's
not even count the whole league. In the AFC, there
are two or three elite teams Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.
Then there's another three or four teams that I think
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are very good and could win a playoff game if
things line up. Texans if they're health either not now,
Chargers and the Steelers, and there's one team in the AFC.
I think it's going to be good next year, but
they're a little young at quarterback. Need another draft. The
Denver Broncos. You do not qualify as any of those,
and you'll win tonight because the circumstances line up. You
are closer to the Raiders. Yes, the Raiders and the
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Colts and the Bengals. That's what you are. You're in
that group of eight or nine teams in the AFC, Miami, Raiders, Bengals.
You're not Buffalo, you're not Baltimore. You're not Kansas City.
You're not the Chargers. You're not the Steelers. You're not
the Texans when they're healthy and playing at home. You're
not that either. You're not Denver because you can't get
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young at quarterback. It's a bad quarterback draft class. You're
not getting Shedeur Sanders. And Aaron's here probably for another year.
So let's take a deep breath. After the Mets collapsed
and the Yankees collapsed, and the Giants have collapsed and
the Jets have collapsed. Hey, Karl Anthony town was good
last night. Here's here's the good news. You can win tonight.
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You will win tonight. Take a deep breath. Here's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
At two and six. Aaron, what is your frame of
mind right now?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
It's got a wind day.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What message would you have for your fan base?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
This smile so up, trust, leave and rutius on as
far as you can. We need that noise and We're
trying to rectify this as quickly as possible. You know,
it's been frustrated for everybody, but there's still a lot
of season left.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Twenty seven, twenty four, twenty seven, twenty three, twenty four
to twenty it's gonna be all. It's gonna be okay.
But but but but that's all it's gonna be. It's
gonna be three and six, not six and three. It's
gonna be okay tomorrow morning. I'm looking forward to the
show saying nice thing he's in a Friday morning about
the Jets. But I did that a couple of weeks
ago about the Patriots and you freaked out. Don't freak out.
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This is a spot home veteran quarterback, short week off
a humiliating loss, so you're totally inspired. You won't be
looking ahead to anything. Jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
All right, let's start with a good football matchup that's
not Thursday night football, NFC North Lions Packers.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Everybody's very fired up.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
We still don't know if Jordan Love is going to
be able to go after that groin injury last week,
but he spoke to his chances at playing.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Obviously, not practicing during the week is not the ideal
format for trying to play a game. But like I said,
things happened. So if that's a scenario, you know, I
know I'll be be fine, but definitely is not the
ideal scenario for going into a big week.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I feel like we asked this often.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Is this gamesmanship from the Packers on the floor that
he's done it before?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This season the next five years, Packers Lions could end
up being the best rivalry in the NFL. These teams
are stacked offensively. Jordan Love plays. I like green Bay
plucks the points if he doesn't. I like Detroit, but
I think Detroit's gonna be boringly consistent. When you have
a dominant offensive line, you don't go high and low.
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I mean, if you have great skill people and maybe
a really talented pass rusher, you can get shut down
and have quiet weeks. When your offensive line in your
run game is great, you're kind of the same team
every week. Right now, green Bay's a little hot and cold.
They're young, they don't have a dominant offensive line. Jordan
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Love week to week, is he healthy? So green Bay
has given you a little half to half. You don't
sure exactly what you get, but you know they're talented.
You're gonna get the same game from Detroit. Barring another
major injury, you can get the same game for the
next ten weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
First outdoor game of the season. Right, Does that mean
they're gonna go ground and pound with heavy run game?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yep? I mean the only asked golf. That's all eighteen times.
Last week.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well, last week was weird. They had like two hundred
twenty five yards of offense. The Titans had like four
hundred and thirty. Now they were trailing by thirty for
much of the game, right, but it was fourteen fourteen
first half? Right, I mean Tennessee moved the ball. Well,
I don't see why Willis can't have a lot of success.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
On the ground through the year.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
This is not a great Lions defense. If you stack
all the contenders, who has the worst defense of Lions, Packers, Eagles.
I guess Washington's a contender announce, so it's probably them.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But the Baltimore's back end and Washington's back end are
both very oft.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
Sped with no Hutchison.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, who's the best defender on the unit branch?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
The young safety. Yeah, yeah, Branch, I know, I think
I'm on the packers here, Colin. I well, we'll talk
about it tomorrow in headlines. Let's go to the next story,
and that's Lamar Jackson. It's got multiple MVP awards. We know,
still yet to make a Super Bowl. He's looking good
this year, but the excuses has been that he has
not had enough weapons. Well, they got Dereck Henry in
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the offseason.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They just added Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And the show before us, the facility, Emmanuel Otto believes
Lamar is out of excuses.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Hey, unanimous MVP, We're gonna give you another running back,
Dereck Henry. In addition to the running back you got
Rashad Batman. We drafted him the first round. They Flowers,
we drafted him in the first round. Mark Andrews the
third round pick some years back ASAA likely an elite
tight end. And then we're gonna acquire Deontay Johnson, who
was a former thousand yard receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Lamar has been out of excuses for me. I mean, y'all.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Realize about five teams a decade when they win the
Super Bowl, so fifty percent of the time it's couse
they off top flight defenses. Lamar last year had a
number one defense.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
His excuses were done that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, I mean I still contend if you win seventy
seven percent of your starts, I'm gonna wait on the
Super Bowl. If Lamar gives me one in his career,
I'll be good with it. I mean, he's he's already
closer to the Hall of Fame than being out of it.
So yeah, I think it's chard. Think Peyton Manning took
a long time to win a Super Bowl. Takes a
lot of thing coach the right defense. I mean, think
how great Matt Stafford is If Aaron Donald doesn't come
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through and get Joe Burrow on that play. Matt Stafford
as good as talented as anybody not named Mahomes and
Brady in the last ten years. And maybe Aaron in
his prime doesn't have a Super Bowl Like it's hard.
So super Bowls to me, I do think they need
more Pelts, they need more playoff wins super Bowls. Everything
has to work, Spags Reid, Mahomes, Kelsey Jones like a plus,
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and they've had to come from behind with everything working.
New England never scored a touchdown in the first quarter
of a Super Bowl lost to on a singular play
to Mario Manningham or a David Tyree. It's like winning
a Super Bowl. San Francisco's in virtually everything right except
get a superstar quarterback. They can't. They're struggling to get
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to super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So you know, I've used the James Harden analogy before,
just great regular season player, but it's easier to defend you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But I think Lamar is a different human being. I
think his work ethicst passion, Harden has never felt like
the soul of anything. I think Lamar Jackson feels like
the soul of the regular of the city.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So let me ask.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
You mentioned Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So what is Stafford's career if he doesn't go to
partner with McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, if he gets this Detroit group behind him and
starts winning games, I think it's it's no.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But he he was in Detroit forever and I don't
think he ever won a playoff game. He was really
talented quarterback, But like if you don't have the pieces
around you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But the difference is Lamar's teams have been great in
the regular season. Stafford's teams were okay, yeah, I mean,
Lamar is literally, if you took out one player in
the league, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar has been the best player
in the league for the last seven years. If you
take out Mahomes, think.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
That might be true.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean mv he's gonna win his third MVP and
he's been the most dominant player in the sports. Like
people bag on the Dodgers for years, they don't win
a World Series, they excellence. You don't have to be
the number one realtor in Los Angeles to be redeemable.
You may not win that top realtor, but it's like
this idea that championships to find you. Lamar is the
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best football player in the planet if Mahomes didn't, If
Mahomes would have chosen baseball, Lamar Jackson's the best football
player in the world to the last four to the
last five years. Are we sure? Yeah? We sure he's
better than Josh Allen. Well, again, the argument both ways.
One guy's got more MVPs, one guy had, you know,
I mean, one guy's got the hardware. It's closed. I
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think Allen same argument. It's like Mickelson and Tiger Woods.
If Tiger chooses baseball and not in golf. Phil Mickelson's
got four more majors and nine more tournaments.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I would need to look at Allen's postseason numbers, but
Lamar's have been bad collin two and four record. Even
if you say records are not a quarterbacks that fine,
fifty seven pm in six playoff game. It is a
small sample size, six touchdown, six picks, Like, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Just not getting it done.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Final story is Jaden Daniels having a monster season with
the Commanders. Feels like Rookie of the Year is locked
up already. They're going for their seventh win of the
season on Sunday. Daniels heads to New York for a
divisional matchup with the Giants, and Brian Dable has been
very impressed with Jayden's play.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
He's one of the better quarterbacks in the league already.
He's got great vision. He can throw the ball in
any area he needs to throw it, and you can
throw it under pressure. He can escape, make plays with
his feed, he can escape, make plays.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
With his arms.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
He's got good command, which we knew he was a smart,
smart guy when we spoke with him. He's playing really
well at a high level.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I think what he said is true. He's already
one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And we're
very very I mean c J. Stroud last year halfway
through by Thanksgiving, We're like CJ. Stroud's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
I think he is. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Everybody's falling apart in his team. He won't play great
tonight and didn't have the weapons.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think it's fair to say Jayden Daniels is one
of the top ten to twelve quarterbacks in the league.
That's why I see every weekend.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Is this game in your plaze?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
In five?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It could be you know, I love that number four.
You know I love that number four. You like whenever
a team is favored by four or five, I take
the favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Who's the I forgot who the coaches in Washington again?
Speaker 10 (23:12):
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Dan Quinn?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
How did he do historically when he was in Dallas
against Daniel Jones? I should probably look into that. I
don't know this, just I know people want to get
off Washington because of the hail Mary Lock. How do
they respond giants on a short week?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
No, no, no, no, no, I care three games? I love this
is number three, and you know when it's a four
point favorite. Now, last week I got burned because green
Bay was a four point favorite over Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That was the right side, trust me.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Were Oh, I know green Bay was going in for
a touchdown and took a knee. They lived by ten
with like seven minutes left. You know that the magic
number four and five. Take the team, take the favorite.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'm watching the Dodgers win last night and we are
all distracted. I'm distracted now. I'm not one of these
perpetually online people that's now like a demographic, perpetually online people.
They say those people now, the TikTokers and the Instagrammers
are replacing Hollywood people. Maybe true, that's what they're saying.
But we're all distracted, caffeinated, distracted. Now, this is an
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election year, so we got anxiety coming out of our ears.
But the best thing that could happen to major League
Baseball dead serious here is that Soto W Soto for
the Yankees is arguably the great young player in the game.
He and Otani would be for the Dodgers to outbid everybody,
and the Dodgers to add him to Atani, Freeman, Betts, Kershaw, Soto,
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it would be be the ultimate villain outside of Los Angeles.
Couldn't take your eyes off it. Major League Baseball has
not had a dynasty since like the early two thousands.
And by the way, go look at the NBA. Last
time they got great ratings. MJ's Bulls, Kobe Shack Steph's Warriors.
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I think the Dodgers should make a run this year.
The Dodgers led baseball in home attendance and they also
let it in road attendance. They're interesting. It's a star
studded machine at another star. We're all distracted. You have
to create urgency, and I think five former MVPs on
a team would create special and unique, create an experience
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you can't get anywhere else. Everybody got mad when KD
went to the Warriors. They watched they were a villain.
It was unique. We were calling them the greatest basketball
team of all time. Again, there's a million platforms, a
million channels, a million places for your eyeballs to go.
People are not watching good They're watching Caitlin Clark because
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there's never been anything like it in women's basketball. The
WNBA ratings are still okay. Her ratings are great. I
would go after Sodo, move other pieces. I mean, I
just think in twenty twenty four. Sorry if you don't
want to hear that, but I think the sport needs
a dynasty. Sequels not only work. They have redefined Hollywood.
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We got rid of independent films. It bothers the artists,
it doesn't seem to bother the consumers. Mahomes and Brady's
dominance has not hurt the NFL whatsoever. Hasn't hurt it
a bit. I think Major League Baseball needs a dynasty,
and nobody has the wherewithal and the passion and the
attendance and the inertia and the momentum, and already a
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launching pad of a franchise like the Dodgers. I would
go after Soto. You'll probably have to let somebody go. Okay,
But when the Warriors went and got kd Adam Silver
was very uncomfortable. And then people stopped watching the Denver
Nuggets win a title. I know it makes you uncomfortable.
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That's an unfair advantage. Sports is all unfair. Yukon women's basketball,
the sport was very healthy when they won every year.
Couldn't take your eyes off him. I lived in the
state I was watching. I'd never watched women's basketball regularly before.
It got me to a TV, it got me to
an arena. So you have to create special and unique
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to get audiences. Now, everybody's distracted. Now this is a
strangely distracted year. That'll end in about two weeks. You know,
the political channels, the losing side, political channel ratings, whatever
side loses, whether it's a you know, Republican Democrat, their
writings will come crashing down. It'll come back down to earth.
People go back to watching sports and hopefully have less anxiety.
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But I'm sitting there watching last night, and I'm like,
I think if I was the Dodgers, I'd go all
in again, and I think baseball would get kind of
weirdly uncomfortable like Adam Silver did. Mahomes and Brady has
not hurt at all. NFL's dominance. It's helped it. And
the last time we deeply cared about the NBA, it
was KD and Steph and Clay and Draymond and everybody
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complained about it. But you couldn't take your eyes off him.
I'm not saying you want to win eight straight championships.
But MJ's Bulls, Shaq and Kobe KD the Yankees early
two thousands. That's more than ever what draws eyeballs dominance
unique special A totally stacked roster, all right, coming up next,
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I actually think it is. It is arguably the most
important game of the week for a player and a franchise.
And I don't think it's going to get a ton
of eyeballs, but it's a uniquely huge game for a
franchise that can either fork in the road, become great
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or unravel. I'll talk about that coming up next.
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Speaker 1 (29:04):
Fireworks going off in Los Angeles last night after the
World Series. Did you hear them in your neighborhood?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
J Mac?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They were all over downtown Los Angeles. They were at
the Beach. I don't live in a ritzy beach area,
but I could hear the fireworks where I was at.
So this this organization has been so dominant, but like
a lot of organizations, very rarely do you get the
organization the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Warriors that when they
had the chance, they win them all. A lot of
organizations for years and years are great. And they had
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had the COVID Championship and this year seemed so unlikely
because the Dodgers couldn't keep anybody healthy all year, even
though Tawny was all banged up in the World Series,
and so it just felt very special for you know,
I always knew it was a Dodger Laker town. It's
been a Dodger Lakertown forever. But the Lakers just don't
feel as premiere as they did years ago because they're
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just not that successful. I mean, they're not a top
five or six like organization close to it. The ownership
is not very wealthy compared to even the Clippers. But
the Dodgers had been fantastic forever, and you really last
night winning You could hear it where I lived. You
could hear the fireworks all over Los Angeles, and it
felt like a big finally, finally, And there were a
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lot of times this year where it didn't feel like
it was gonna happen because the Dodgers were so beat up.
And I'll go back to it that fifth inning last
night for the Yankees. I'm sitting there watching every pitch
like everybody in New York or Los Angeles. I could
not believe what I was seeing. I could not believe
Aaron Judge dropped that ball. He'd never committed an air
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in center field. And then Volpe, very good shortstop, New
York kid, the toast of the town, hops a ball
to third. This is all to me. The stress you
could feel was palpable. And then Garrett Cole, who was
masterful miscommunication doesn't cover first base. It was just in
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and the Dodgers' bats. I mean, it's a much more
stacked deck. Whereas the Yankees are very dependent on like Sodo,
Stanton and Judge for their power. The Dodgers just feel
like it's an endless stream of guys. But once they
committed all those airs, here comes Freddy Freeman. Taskar Hernandez
ta Oscar Hernandez isn't really necessarily part of the future plans.
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He's like a one year deal guy. He was great
against the Yankees this year in New York in that
regular season series he was the best player in the series,
and he was so valuable again last night. So not
everything went well. Max Munsey was great in the NLCS,
kind of didn't get it done in the World Series.
O Tawni was great. Padres Mets didn't do much in
this one. Flaherty, by the way, we warn you before
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the series started they were concerned about Flaherty's velocity dipping,
so his second outy wasn't very good. But they just
found a way to use the bullpen, outfielders becoming infielders,
keyk Hernandez now you're in a starting role. It just
sort of all worked out. And I hope to get
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Dave roberts on next week and a couple of Dodgers.
It was it was something to behold in. That fifth
inning was bizarro world. It was I mean, the Yankees
did they the entire season? Aaron Judges didn't drop a
fly ball? Did Volpe short hop the third baseman all year?
Did Garrett Cole not cover first all season? All happened
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to a span in ten minutes just unraveled. It was crazy.
It was just absolutely crazy what you were watching. The
game was over, it was five nothing, It's over and
You're like, man, we need to break here because Garrett
Cole's second time he's humming through the lineup and it
was like dropped ball, short hop third Garrett Cole doesn't
cover first base, and you're just sitting there thinking. At
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that point, after Freeman and Taoscar Hernandez tied it up,
at that point, I'm like, Dodgers going to win this thing.
They're going to figure out a way to win this thing. Hence,
I didn't know Walkerbuterer would be that good. In the
ninth he just mowed through the Yankees. But congratulations again
to a really well run organization. And I've said this,
I root for well run teams. When I lived in
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New England, I rooted for the Patriots. They were more
efficient and smarter than other teams. I root for Kansas City.
You watch Kansas City on third down, fourth down, goal
line stamps. They're just smarter and better. I root for
well run organizations. For the Dodgers to have this much
depth that they can move outfielders to the infield that
they got. They had a guy start in their bullpen
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game who never started before, and they just patchwork, bondo,
sew it together, make it work. Finally it was a
Dodger team that had the resilience and toughness that equaled
their talent. So to me, it's very easy to root
for well run organizations. I said this year in the NBA,
I like the Celtics and Oklahoma City. I think they're
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really well run. I think Oklahoma City Thunder are really
well run, accumulating draft picks, getting value out of their trades.
I root for efficiency. Smart sports is better sports. So
there's a game this week and that doesn't feel huge
right on the national scale, but I actually think it
is gigantic. The Bears at Arizona. Arizona's playing well. Now
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we know they beat San Francisco, they went to Miami
and I'm like, I didn't trust him. And then now
they play Chicago. So and you got all these Bears
players coming out publicly this week like a DJ Moore,
And I thought the Bears coaching was a mess in
the second half. I got no problem with the players
coming out and saying it's not good enough. But if
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you look at Caleb, this is why it is a
little bit of a tinderbox here. If you look at Caleb,
he had finally given us a three game stretch, he
was getting better, better, better. He was very confident, he
was moving, he wasn't panicking, and we're all thinking, Okay,
Caleb's what we thought. Then off of bye, they go
to Washington and he's out of sorts. He completes forty
two percent of his throats, passer ratings at sixty first
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seven series, all punts. It was a mess. So it's
a huge step back. And the Bears have yet to
face Remember they've yet to face one NFC North team
and it's the best division in football. So the next
couple of weeks they have Arizona and New England. They're
gonna win those games because this thing could unravel really fast.
If you go look at their schedule, it is just
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a gauntlet of Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. But they have
two games they should win Arizona and New England, and
if they don't, this puppy could unravel. Because remember Matt
Eberflus as a road coach has won three of seventeen games,
or three of twenty. He's three and seventeen. So Matt
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Eber Matt Eberflus bad road coach. Matt Eberflus, bad coach
in Division two and ten. So there are just moments
in time for an organization that doesn't have the infrastructure
or the historical inertia and momentum to overcome turbulence. And
losing that game last week, that second half was turbulence.
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So this thing, I think Chicago could go off the tracks.
If they lose against Arizona, then the New England game
is a go either way game fitted to your gauntlet
at Detroit, at Minnesota, green Bay at green Bay. So
they're just this is a franchise. Caleb Williams is a quarterback.
They're just trying to get their feet under them and
be consistent, and they had been for three weeks and
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now last week second half, you see how bad, how
quickly the Chicago Bears can get. I mean, you went
from feeling great about the organization to the hell am
I watching? And that's what happens when you don't have
an infrastructure, you don't have a great coach, you don't
have a great history, you don't have a stacked roster.
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Little turbulence and you get veering off the tracks. Here's
Caleb Williams trying to rebound from that Commodore's mess.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
You know, we just lost the game, and we lost
the game in a way that that sucks. Is obviously
a sense of accountability that I have to take. Didn't
play well for us half. They got multiple three points
that allowed them to put themselves in a position to
be able to obviously have that that that thirty second
drive and throw a hell Mary.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The other thing I think is interesting this week has
been the pushback on the Colts moving off Anthony Richardson
and going with Joe Flacco. And I was reading a
story this morning, the NFL is really no longer a
developmental league for quarterbacks. Stand school another year, do a
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bow knicks. Just stand school another year, you're better off.
It's not a developmental league. So if you come to
the NFL like Anthony Richardson with thirteen starts, and you're like, well,
I'll get two to three years to get cleaned up,
they won't. No, they won't. I mean Jim Ursay is
one of the more impulsive owners. You will get a
year and by Thanksgiving of year two, That's always been
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my timeline. Thanksgiving of year two, people are making decisions
on you. Now, the Colts beat that by about a month.
They already made a decision. But this idea that, hey,
it's a slow build. When owners used to have a
net worth of four hundred and eighty million dollars, it
was now owners the poorest owners worth two billion dollars. Like,
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that's not the way it works now, So what does
that mean? They can fire an entire staff forty eight
million dollars. It's a rounding air. They can make that
in a day. Now they don't care. They want to
win now. Billionaires are less patient on Silicon Valley, Wall
Street in the NFL. So this idea that, oh, this
kid deserves time, deserves that's over. I mean it was literally,
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if you think I'm wrong, ask yourself. This Wasn't everybody
shocked when the Giants gave Daniel Jones a new contract?
Like what more do you need to see what you're like?
And look at the mess the Giants are, So this
idea that the NFL, oh, it's just a developmental leaku
nuts not stay in college. Stay in college, get another
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twelve games under you. I mean, I don't think bo Nicks.
It doesn't jump off the television. But the part that
I really liked about him is he was more athletic
than your thought, and he played sixty one college games
with two programs, so you knew when he came into
the league he'd be ready to play. He'd have to
catch up the game speed. That'd take about six games.
But if you watch the last couple of weeks, you're like, Okay,
he's caught up to the speed of the league. He
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looks like a franchise quarterback. But you don't go to
the NFL thinking, hey, I, hey, I gotta get time
here can he Pickett? A Pittsburgh kid. The Steelers were
like after about ten games, that didn't look great. After
fifteen games like, I don't know if this works, boom gone.
Greg Cosel. Top of next hour. Gey bet football plays
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fantasy football. I just want to get smarter at football.
Greg Cosel coming up next
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strike fast, strike hard, no mercy. Okay, it's like the
New York Jets or the Dodge. Last night. Yes, well, uh,
happy Halloween, everybody. Greg co selling one hour, Greg Co
selling one hour. Let's start with this. Two things seemed
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very very clear watching the World Series Number one. The
Yankees make a lot of mistakes, and most of them
seemed to happen. In the fifth inning last night, with
a five to nothing lead, the New York Yankees unraveled.
First Aaron Judge dropping a routine fly ball, basic fundamentals,
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he'd just broken out of a slump, absolutely jaw dropping.
That was followed shortly thereafter by the Yankee shortstop Anthony
Volpe bouncing a ball to third again routine play. How
about this? Followed bizarrely by Garrett Cole miscommunication not covering
first base. That's day one of spring training stuff. The
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El Segundo Little League team had that stuff buttoned up.
What's going on? Suddenly a five nothing Yankee lead. They
could have been out of the inning if Garrett Cole
gets to first evaporated first, there's Freddy Freeman, Yes, Freddy Freeman,
the MVP two RBI single. Now it's five to three,
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followed by Taosta Hernandez. Remember early this year in New
York in the regular season, he owned the Yankees. He
did it here, drives in two with a double. It's
five to five, all five runs unearned, all five of them,
and we are tied. It didn't end there. We go
to the eighth inning. A huge break. Otani was struggling
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with his confidence. He comes up and the Yankees let
him off the hook a catcher's interference. Crazy Otani in
this situation had struggled all series. Next batter up, wouldn't
you know it, Mookie Betts. Mookie Bets with a sack
fly Dodgers take their first and only lead at seven
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to six. So that's the first thing we noticed the
Yankees making a lot of mistakes. The second thing is
the Dodgers proved literally they weren't just rich and talented.
They were resilient outfielders moving to the infield because of
an injury Tommy edmund or role players being inserted to
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the starting lineup Keick Hernandez or your star Walker Buehler
on two days rest being asked to close eight different
Dodger pitchers last night pitched forty over the course of
a season, every move Dave Roberts, the manager made worked
or if it didn't the bullpen game, it was part
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of a bigger plan. Yes, the Dodgers have an A
Norman's payroll. Yes they outbid people for stars, but half
of them, especially the starting staff, seemed injured all year.
This organization, it had been lamented for years. They didn't
play inspired, they weren't resilient, but yet they led the
National League in come from behind wins very early on.
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This team proved a resilience beyond the money, beyond the expectations.
Here capped by Walker Mueller, who we thought would start
in Game seven, Nope, raised his hand, all take the
mound and sealed the Dodgers' eighth World Series title. Here
it is the Dodgers, a strikeaway. Start the party, Los Angeles,
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your Dodgers have on the World Series.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I'm proud of the fact that we got more out
of our players. Certainly we got a lot of talent,
went through a lot of stuff, but I just saw
a different gear in our guys, a fight and it
didn't matter circumstances, who was taking the baseball, who was
taken in at that the score didn't matter. There was fight,
and so that's something that I wanted to pull from
our guys, and they performed.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Winning the World Championship, coming from down five runs in
the fifth, down one run in the eighth.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What does it say about this championship team?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I mean, obviously resilient, but there's so much love in
this clubhouse. That's Karen that won this game today. That's
what it was. It was love, it was grit. I mean,
it was just.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
A beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
And I'm just proud of us, and I'm just happy.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
For us well as far as the Yankees go, I
was reading this this morning. They're the only Major League
Baseball the New York Yankees all in the same game,
regular season or postseason since earned runs became an official
stat in nineteen thirteen. They're the only team to blow
a five plus run lead, allow five plus earner and runs,
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commit three airs, a back and catchers interference. Wow. Now,
once Aaron Judge hit that early home run for the Yankees,
it did feel like everybody could finally exhale. Right, he'd
been struggling. If Aaron Judge can't hit, the series is over.
And then he hits a bomb. But the Dodgers, from
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the Padre Series, the Mets series, the World Series stayed
even keel, good or bad. The Yankees didn't. You could
feel the stress with the Yankees the entire series. Aaron
Judge felt stressed out. Aaron Boone pulling Garrett Cole in
Game one created anxiety in games one in five with
Garrett Cole, New York had leads in later innings, but
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it never ever felt like they were under control, and
it always felt like it would come crashing down, and
it did. The stress, the anxiety and the pressure. Now
Aaron Judge his first ever air, first ever play center field.
I mean, you don't think that stress created the entire series.
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The Dodgers felt loose and inspired, maybe because they've been
there before, and the Yankees felt uptight. A back catcher's interference,
short hopping a ball to third not covering first. We've
seen it with Mahomes and Brady. Experience matters, especially in
those high leverage situations. The Dodgers had been here, dominating
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their division for years and winning in the postseason, not
always the World Series, but winning, and the Yankees haven't
outside of the American League Central, they just don't want
a lot of playoff series anymore. This became a nightmare
on one hundred and sixty first Street, and there was
a Freddy terrorizing everybody. His name was Freddy Freeman. But
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more than anything, even more than Freddie Freeman, it was
the stress, the mistakes, and the unraveling. The only game
the Yankees won in this World Series was the Dodger
bullpen game, and let me rephrase that, the Dodger's lower
tier bullpen game. Even their ace, Garrett Cole, finished two
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starts without a win. Here's Aaron Boone.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
After Yeah, we just said bad inning. You know, Garrett
was amazing, kept picking us up. You know, obviously a
few mistakes really cost us in that inning. It happens,
and and and that hurts. But that's also baseball.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
By the way, I don't think I've never seen and
we find out statistically it never happened. I've never seen
something happen in the fifth inning like that. Aaron Judge
first air a drop fly ball, the short hopped a
third not covering first. That was the crazy stuff. Then
a balk, then catcher's interference. But one of the advantages
of not going to a game because you don't see
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this when you're at a game, But going to a
game is more fun, especially a World Series game. But
one of the advantages of not going to a game
you see things on TV that you wouldn't notice when
you're there, and you could sense the stress. You could
sense the anxiety from the Yankees, and you could simultaneously
see the looseness and the joy and the inspired effort
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of the Dodgers playing with a chip on their shoulder
despite this massive payroll. And I thought it was very
obvious last night as it all came crashing down for
the Yankees in the fifth and the eight innings. J Mack,
we don't do a ton of baseball on this show,
but I would say this, and I'll talk about this later.
Jan Soto is on the market. It has been reported
the Dodgers are very, very interested in adding Juan Soto
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to Freeman, to Kershaw, to Betts, to Otani. And I
will tell you if any New York Yankee fan is
outraged by that, never forget ten to fifteen years ago,
the Hot Stove League was essentially the Yankee Red Sox.
That's all. It was, Yankees just outbidding everybody when they
had the cable advantage with the Yes Network. That's all gone.
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The Yankees are a smarter front office. They have more
money the Dodgers are now, and they're gonna use it.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You think he gets Otani type money in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh, I think Sodo will end up being I think
Otani is more global, and I think merchandise, I mean,
I was reading a story yesterday where the World Series
ratings were bigger in Japan it was in Crazed. So
the merchandise that Otani can fuel is just different. I
think it's different. But I think Sodo is regarded is
as fair as the best young talent in the sport,
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and so that market is in any sports league, you
could be Aunt Edwards Wemby Sodo. It doesn't matter what
sport it is, You're gonna get paid handsomely. All right,
coming up, Hey, We've got good news. I swear to you,
Greg co Sell. In one hour, we have good news
coming up for the city of New York.
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Now entering the Noble Zone sponsored by Credible Great rates
none of the ball. So here's good news for New York.
The New York Jets are going to win tonight on
Thursday Night football at home against the Houston Texans. The
New York Jets are going to win. It's gonna be
twenty four to twenty, twenty seven to twenty three. They're
going to win by about a field goal four points.
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Young quarterback c J. Stroud of Houston. Too many things
line up against him on the road short week. Receivers
are all banged up. They can't protect him. You know it,
Just this is a New York Giants win home. Teams
have done very well on Thursday night football. So when
the Jets win tonight, all I ask because they will win.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
C J.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Stroud by the way home, he's ten and two in
his career road he's under five hundred. Everything dips, completion percentage,
yards per game, touchdown passes, passer rating dips. He's just
he's like a lot of young quarterbacks. He is really
good potent. When everything's lined up, you put them on
the road. I can't quite hear missing a receiver. Protection
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breaks down. C J. Stroud, my guest, Jets are pretty
good on early downs. Defensively, it'll be a lot of
third and longs for c J. Stroud. Protection will be
an issue. Jets will win. All I'm asking is, when
you win tonight, could you have a moment. I'm not
asking for much of humility, just a moment because the
last time you went on Thursday night again at home
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short week against a team that wasn't in the right
spot to win New England. The next several days, New
York Media and Jets Nation had the composure of a
nine year old after eating two pieces of birthday cake.
Just take a deep breath. You're a two and six
football team. You do not have the infrastructure or leadership
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from the owner, the head coach, the offensive coordinator to
be an elite team. You are now in survival mode
at two and six. You'll be three and six after tonight.
There's two or three teams teams in the AFC, let's
not even count the whole league. In the AFC, there
are two or three elite teams Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.
Then there's another three or four teams that I think
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are very good and could win a playoff game if
things line up. Texans if they're health either not now,
Chargers and the Steelers, and there's one team in the AFC.
I think it's going to be good next year, but
they're a little young at quarterback. Need another draft. The
Denver Broncos. You do not qualify as any of those,
and you'll win tonight because the circumstances line up. You
are closer to the Raiders. Yes, the Raiders and the
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Colts and the Bengals. That's what you are. You're in
that group of eight or nine teams in the AFC, Miami, Raiders, Bengals.
You're not Buffalo, you're not Baltimore. You're not Kansas City.
You're not the Chargers. You're not the Steelers. You're not
the Texans when they're healthy and playing at home. You're
not that either. You're not Denver because you can't get
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young at quarterback. It's a bad quarterback draft class. You're
not getting Shedeur Sanders. And Aaron's here probably for another year.
So let's take a deep breath. After the Mets collapsed
and the Yankees collapsed, and the Giants have collapsed and
the Jets have collapsed. Hey, Karl Anthony town was good
last night. Here's here's the good news. You can win tonight.
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You will win tonight. Take a deep breath. Here's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
At two and six. Aaron, what is your frame of
mind right now?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
It's got a wind day.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What message would you have for your fan base?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
This smile so up, trust, leave and rutius on as
far as you can. We need that noise and We're
trying to rectify this as quickly as possible. You know,
it's been frustrated for everybody, but there's still a lot
of season left.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Twenty seven, twenty four, twenty seven, twenty three, twenty four
to twenty it's gonna be all. It's gonna be okay.
But but but but that's all it's gonna be. It's
gonna be three and six, not six and three. It's
gonna be okay tomorrow morning. I'm looking forward to the
show saying nice thing he's in a Friday morning about
the Jets. But I did that a couple of weeks
ago about the Patriots and you freaked out. Don't freak out.
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This is a spot home veteran quarterback, short week off
a humiliating loss, so you're totally inspired. You won't be
looking ahead to anything. Jmck with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
All right, let's start with a good football matchup that's
not Thursday night football, NFC North Lions Packers.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Everybody's very fired up.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
We still don't know if Jordan Love is going to
be able to go after that groin injury last week,
but he spoke to his chances at playing.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Obviously, not practicing during the week is not the ideal
format for trying to play a game. But like I said,
things happened. So if that's a scenario, you know, I
know I'll be be fine, but definitely is not the
ideal scenario for going into a big week.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I feel like we asked this often.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Is this gamesmanship from the Packers on the floor that
he's done it before?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This season the next five years, Packers Lions could end
up being the best rivalry in the NFL. These teams
are stacked offensively. Jordan Love plays. I like green Bay
plucks the points if he doesn't. I like Detroit, but
I think Detroit's gonna be boringly consistent. When you have
a dominant offensive line, you don't go high and low.
(16:20):
I mean, if you have great skill people and maybe
a really talented pass rusher, you can get shut down
and have quiet weeks. When your offensive line in your
run game is great, you're kind of the same team
every week. Right now, green Bay's a little hot and cold.
They're young, they don't have a dominant offensive line. Jordan
(16:41):
Love week to week, is he healthy? So green Bay
has given you a little half to half. You don't
sure exactly what you get, but you know they're talented.
You're gonna get the same game from Detroit. Barring another
major injury, you can get the same game for the
next ten weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
First outdoor game of the season. Right, Does that mean
they're gonna go ground and pound with heavy run game?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yep? I mean the only asked golf. That's all eighteen times.
Last week.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well, last week was weird. They had like two hundred
twenty five yards of offense. The Titans had like four
hundred and thirty. Now they were trailing by thirty for
much of the game, right, but it was fourteen fourteen
first half? Right, I mean Tennessee moved the ball. Well,
I don't see why Willis can't have a lot of success.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
On the ground through the year.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
This is not a great Lions defense. If you stack
all the contenders, who has the worst defense of Lions, Packers, Eagles.
I guess Washington's a contender announce, so it's probably them.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But the Baltimore's back end and Washington's back end are
both very oft.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
Sped with no Hutchison.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, who's the best defender on the unit branch?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
The young safety. Yeah, yeah, Branch, I know, I think
I'm on the packers here, Colin. I well, we'll talk
about it tomorrow in headlines. Let's go to the next story,
and that's Lamar Jackson. It's got multiple MVP awards. We know,
still yet to make a Super Bowl. He's looking good
this year, but the excuses has been that he has
not had enough weapons. Well, they got Dereck Henry in
(18:03):
the offseason.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
They just added Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And the show before us, the facility, Emmanuel Otto believes
Lamar is out of excuses.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Hey, unanimous MVP, We're gonna give you another running back,
Dereck Henry. In addition to the running back you got
Rashad Batman. We drafted him the first round. They Flowers,
we drafted him in the first round. Mark Andrews the
third round pick some years back ASAA likely an elite
tight end. And then we're gonna acquire Deontay Johnson, who
was a former thousand yard receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Lamar has been out of excuses for me. I mean, y'all.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Realize about five teams a decade when they win the
Super Bowl, so fifty percent of the time it's couse
they off top flight defenses. Lamar last year had a
number one defense.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
His excuses were done that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, I mean I still contend if you win seventy
seven percent of your starts, I'm gonna wait on the
Super Bowl. If Lamar gives me one in his career,
I'll be good with it. I mean, he's he's already
closer to the Hall of Fame than being out of it.
So yeah, I think it's chard. Think Peyton Manning took
a long time to win a Super Bowl. Takes a
lot of thing coach the right defense. I mean, think
how great Matt Stafford is If Aaron Donald doesn't come
(19:04):
through and get Joe Burrow on that play. Matt Stafford
as good as talented as anybody not named Mahomes and
Brady in the last ten years. And maybe Aaron in
his prime doesn't have a Super Bowl Like it's hard.
So super Bowls to me, I do think they need
more Pelts, they need more playoff wins super Bowls. Everything
has to work, Spags Reid, Mahomes, Kelsey Jones like a plus,
(19:29):
and they've had to come from behind with everything working.
New England never scored a touchdown in the first quarter
of a Super Bowl lost to on a singular play
to Mario Manningham or a David Tyree. It's like winning
a Super Bowl. San Francisco's in virtually everything right except
get a superstar quarterback. They can't. They're struggling to get
(19:51):
to super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
So you know, I've used the James Harden analogy before,
just great regular season player, but it's easier to defend you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But I think Lamar is a different human being. I
think his work ethicst passion, Harden has never felt like
the soul of anything. I think Lamar Jackson feels like
the soul of the regular of the city.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So let me ask.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
You mentioned Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So what is Stafford's career if he doesn't go to
partner with McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, if he gets this Detroit group behind him and
starts winning games, I think it's it's no.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
But he he was in Detroit forever and I don't
think he ever won a playoff game. He was really
talented quarterback, But like if you don't have the pieces
around you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But the difference is Lamar's teams have been great in
the regular season. Stafford's teams were okay, yeah, I mean,
Lamar is literally, if you took out one player in
the league, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar has been the best player
in the league for the last seven years. If you
take out Mahomes, think.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
That might be true.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I mean mv he's gonna win his third MVP and
he's been the most dominant player in the sports. Like
people bag on the Dodgers for years, they don't win
a World Series, they excellence. You don't have to be
the number one realtor in Los Angeles to be redeemable.
You may not win that top realtor, but it's like
this idea that championships to find you. Lamar is the
(21:05):
best football player in the planet if Mahomes didn't, If
Mahomes would have chosen baseball, Lamar Jackson's the best football
player in the world to the last four to the
last five years. Are we sure? Yeah? We sure he's
better than Josh Allen. Well, again, the argument both ways.
One guy's got more MVPs, one guy had, you know,
I mean, one guy's got the hardware. It's closed. I
(21:26):
think Allen same argument. It's like Mickelson and Tiger Woods.
If Tiger chooses baseball and not in golf. Phil Mickelson's
got four more majors and nine more tournaments.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I would need to look at Allen's postseason numbers, but
Lamar's have been bad collin two and four record. Even
if you say records are not a quarterbacks that fine,
fifty seven pm in six playoff game. It is a
small sample size, six touchdown, six picks, Like, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Just not getting it done.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Final story is Jaden Daniels having a monster season with
the Commanders. Feels like Rookie of the Year is locked
up already. They're going for their seventh win of the
season on Sunday. Daniels heads to New York for a
divisional matchup with the Giants, and Brian Dable has been
very impressed with Jayden's play.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
He's one of the better quarterbacks in the league already.
He's got great vision. He can throw the ball in
any area he needs to throw it, and you can
throw it under pressure. He can escape, make plays with
his feed, he can escape, make plays.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
With his arms.
Speaker 10 (22:25):
He's got good command, which we knew he was a smart,
smart guy when we spoke with him. He's playing really
well at a high level.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I think what he said is true. He's already
one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And we're
very very I mean c J. Stroud last year halfway
through by Thanksgiving, We're like CJ. Stroud's a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
I think he is. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Everybody's falling apart in his team. He won't play great
tonight and didn't have the weapons.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think it's fair to say Jayden Daniels is one
of the top ten to twelve quarterbacks in the league.
That's why I see every weekend.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Is this game in your plaze?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
In five?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It could be you know, I love that number four.
You know I love that number four. You like whenever
a team is favored by four or five, I take
the favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Who's the I forgot who the coaches in Washington again?
Speaker 10 (23:12):
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Dan Quinn?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
How did he do historically when he was in Dallas
against Daniel Jones? I should probably look into that. I
don't know this, just I know people want to get
off Washington because of the hail Mary Lock. How do
they respond giants on a short week?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
No, no, no, no, no, I care three games? I love this
is number three, and you know when it's a four
point favorite. Now, last week I got burned because green
Bay was a four point favorite over Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That was the right side, trust me.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Were Oh, I know green Bay was going in for
a touchdown and took a knee. They lived by ten
with like seven minutes left. You know that the magic
number four and five. Take the team, take the favorite.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'm watching the Dodgers win last night and we are
all distracted. I'm distracted now. I'm not one of these
perpetually online people that's now like a demographic, perpetually online people.
They say those people now, the TikTokers and the Instagrammers
are replacing Hollywood people. Maybe true, that's what they're saying.
But we're all distracted, caffeinated, distracted. Now, this is an
(24:17):
election year, so we got anxiety coming out of our ears.
But the best thing that could happen to major League
Baseball dead serious here is that Soto W Soto for
the Yankees is arguably the great young player in the game.
He and Otani would be for the Dodgers to outbid everybody,
and the Dodgers to add him to Atani, Freeman, Betts, Kershaw, Soto,
(24:38):
it would be be the ultimate villain outside of Los Angeles.
Couldn't take your eyes off it. Major League Baseball has
not had a dynasty since like the early two thousands.
And by the way, go look at the NBA. Last
time they got great ratings. MJ's Bulls, Kobe Shack Steph's Warriors.
(24:58):
I think the Dodgers should make a run this year.
The Dodgers led baseball in home attendance and they also
let it in road attendance. They're interesting. It's a star
studded machine at another star. We're all distracted. You have
to create urgency, and I think five former MVPs on
a team would create special and unique, create an experience
(25:22):
you can't get anywhere else. Everybody got mad when KD
went to the Warriors. They watched they were a villain.
It was unique. We were calling them the greatest basketball
team of all time. Again, there's a million platforms, a
million channels, a million places for your eyeballs to go.
People are not watching good They're watching Caitlin Clark because
(25:44):
there's never been anything like it in women's basketball. The
WNBA ratings are still okay. Her ratings are great. I
would go after Sodo, move other pieces. I mean, I
just think in twenty twenty four. Sorry if you don't
want to hear that, but I think the sport needs
a dynasty. Sequels not only work. They have redefined Hollywood.
(26:06):
We got rid of independent films. It bothers the artists,
it doesn't seem to bother the consumers. Mahomes and Brady's
dominance has not hurt the NFL whatsoever. Hasn't hurt it
a bit. I think Major League Baseball needs a dynasty,
and nobody has the wherewithal and the passion and the
attendance and the inertia and the momentum, and already a
(26:30):
launching pad of a franchise like the Dodgers. I would
go after Soto. You'll probably have to let somebody go. Okay,
But when the Warriors went and got kd Adam Silver
was very uncomfortable. And then people stopped watching the Denver
Nuggets win a title. I know it makes you uncomfortable.
(26:51):
That's an unfair advantage. Sports is all unfair. Yukon women's basketball,
the sport was very healthy when they won every year.
Couldn't take your eyes off him. I lived in the
state I was watching. I'd never watched women's basketball regularly before.
It got me to a TV, it got me to
an arena. So you have to create special and unique
(27:14):
to get audiences. Now, everybody's distracted. Now this is a
strangely distracted year. That'll end in about two weeks. You know,
the political channels, the losing side, political channel ratings, whatever
side loses, whether it's a you know, Republican Democrat, their
writings will come crashing down. It'll come back down to earth.
People go back to watching sports and hopefully have less anxiety.
(27:36):
But I'm sitting there watching last night, and I'm like,
I think if I was the Dodgers, I'd go all
in again, and I think baseball would get kind of
weirdly uncomfortable like Adam Silver did. Mahomes and Brady has
not hurt at all. NFL's dominance. It's helped it. And
the last time we deeply cared about the NBA, it
was KD and Steph and Clay and Draymond and everybody
(27:57):
complained about it. But you couldn't take your eyes off him.
I'm not saying you want to win eight straight championships.
But MJ's Bulls, Shaq and Kobe KD the Yankees early
two thousands. That's more than ever what draws eyeballs dominance
unique special A totally stacked roster, all right, coming up next,
(28:21):
I actually think it is. It is arguably the most
important game of the week for a player and a franchise.
And I don't think it's going to get a ton
of eyeballs, but it's a uniquely huge game for a
franchise that can either fork in the road, become great
(28:44):
or unravel. I'll talk about that coming up next.
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Speaker 1 (29:04):
Fireworks going off in Los Angeles last night after the
World Series. Did you hear them in your neighborhood?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
J Mac?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They were all over downtown Los Angeles. They were at
the Beach. I don't live in a ritzy beach area,
but I could hear the fireworks where I was at.
So this this organization has been so dominant, but like
a lot of organizations, very rarely do you get the
organization the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Warriors that when they
had the chance, they win them all. A lot of
organizations for years and years are great. And they had
(29:33):
had the COVID Championship and this year seemed so unlikely
because the Dodgers couldn't keep anybody healthy all year, even
though Tawny was all banged up in the World Series,
and so it just felt very special for you know,
I always knew it was a Dodger Laker town. It's
been a Dodger Lakertown forever. But the Lakers just don't
feel as premiere as they did years ago because they're
(29:56):
just not that successful. I mean, they're not a top
five or six like organization close to it. The ownership
is not very wealthy compared to even the Clippers. But
the Dodgers had been fantastic forever, and you really last
night winning You could hear it where I lived. You
could hear the fireworks all over Los Angeles, and it
felt like a big finally, finally, And there were a
(30:19):
lot of times this year where it didn't feel like
it was gonna happen because the Dodgers were so beat up.
And I'll go back to it that fifth inning last
night for the Yankees. I'm sitting there watching every pitch
like everybody in New York or Los Angeles. I could
not believe what I was seeing. I could not believe
Aaron Judge dropped that ball. He'd never committed an air
(30:40):
in center field. And then Volpe, very good shortstop, New
York kid, the toast of the town, hops a ball
to third. This is all to me. The stress you
could feel was palpable. And then Garrett Cole, who was
masterful miscommunication doesn't cover first base. It was just in
(31:00):
and the Dodgers' bats. I mean, it's a much more
stacked deck. Whereas the Yankees are very dependent on like Sodo,
Stanton and Judge for their power. The Dodgers just feel
like it's an endless stream of guys. But once they
committed all those airs, here comes Freddy Freeman. Taskar Hernandez
ta Oscar Hernandez isn't really necessarily part of the future plans.
(31:23):
He's like a one year deal guy. He was great
against the Yankees this year in New York in that
regular season series he was the best player in the series,
and he was so valuable again last night. So not
everything went well. Max Munsey was great in the NLCS,
kind of didn't get it done in the World Series.
O Tawni was great. Padres Mets didn't do much in
this one. Flaherty, by the way, we warn you before
(31:45):
the series started they were concerned about Flaherty's velocity dipping,
so his second outy wasn't very good. But they just
found a way to use the bullpen, outfielders becoming infielders,
keyk Hernandez now you're in a starting role. It just
sort of all worked out. And I hope to get
(32:06):
Dave roberts on next week and a couple of Dodgers.
It was it was something to behold in. That fifth
inning was bizarro world. It was I mean, the Yankees
did they the entire season? Aaron Judges didn't drop a
fly ball? Did Volpe short hop the third baseman all year?
Did Garrett Cole not cover first all season? All happened
(32:27):
to a span in ten minutes just unraveled. It was crazy.
It was just absolutely crazy what you were watching. The
game was over, it was five nothing, It's over and
You're like, man, we need to break here because Garrett
Cole's second time he's humming through the lineup and it
was like dropped ball, short hop third Garrett Cole doesn't
cover first base, and you're just sitting there thinking. At
(32:50):
that point, after Freeman and Taoscar Hernandez tied it up,
at that point, I'm like, Dodgers going to win this thing.
They're going to figure out a way to win this thing. Hence,
I didn't know Walkerbuterer would be that good. In the
ninth he just mowed through the Yankees. But congratulations again
to a really well run organization. And I've said this,
I root for well run teams. When I lived in
(33:12):
New England, I rooted for the Patriots. They were more
efficient and smarter than other teams. I root for Kansas City.
You watch Kansas City on third down, fourth down, goal
line stamps. They're just smarter and better. I root for
well run organizations. For the Dodgers to have this much
depth that they can move outfielders to the infield that
they got. They had a guy start in their bullpen
(33:34):
game who never started before, and they just patchwork, bondo,
sew it together, make it work. Finally it was a
Dodger team that had the resilience and toughness that equaled
their talent. So to me, it's very easy to root
for well run organizations. I said this year in the NBA,
I like the Celtics and Oklahoma City. I think they're
(33:55):
really well run. I think Oklahoma City Thunder are really
well run, accumulating draft picks, getting value out of their trades.
I root for efficiency. Smart sports is better sports. So
there's a game this week and that doesn't feel huge
right on the national scale, but I actually think it
is gigantic. The Bears at Arizona. Arizona's playing well. Now
(34:16):
we know they beat San Francisco, they went to Miami
and I'm like, I didn't trust him. And then now
they play Chicago. So and you got all these Bears
players coming out publicly this week like a DJ Moore,
And I thought the Bears coaching was a mess in
the second half. I got no problem with the players
coming out and saying it's not good enough. But if
(34:37):
you look at Caleb, this is why it is a
little bit of a tinderbox here. If you look at Caleb,
he had finally given us a three game stretch, he
was getting better, better, better. He was very confident, he
was moving, he wasn't panicking, and we're all thinking, Okay,
Caleb's what we thought. Then off of bye, they go
to Washington and he's out of sorts. He completes forty
two percent of his throats, passer ratings at sixty first
(35:00):
seven series, all punts. It was a mess. So it's
a huge step back. And the Bears have yet to
face Remember they've yet to face one NFC North team
and it's the best division in football. So the next
couple of weeks they have Arizona and New England. They're
gonna win those games because this thing could unravel really fast.
If you go look at their schedule, it is just
(35:20):
a gauntlet of Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. But they have
two games they should win Arizona and New England, and
if they don't, this puppy could unravel. Because remember Matt
Eberflus as a road coach has won three of seventeen games,
or three of twenty. He's three and seventeen. So Matt
(35:42):
Eber Matt Eberflus bad road coach. Matt Eberflus, bad coach
in Division two and ten. So there are just moments
in time for an organization that doesn't have the infrastructure
or the historical inertia and momentum to overcome turbulence. And
losing that game last week, that second half was turbulence.
(36:04):
So this thing, I think Chicago could go off the tracks.
If they lose against Arizona, then the New England game
is a go either way game fitted to your gauntlet
at Detroit, at Minnesota, green Bay at green Bay. So
they're just this is a franchise. Caleb Williams is a quarterback.
They're just trying to get their feet under them and
be consistent, and they had been for three weeks and
(36:26):
now last week second half, you see how bad, how
quickly the Chicago Bears can get. I mean, you went
from feeling great about the organization to the hell am
I watching? And that's what happens when you don't have
an infrastructure, you don't have a great coach, you don't
have a great history, you don't have a stacked roster.
(36:50):
Little turbulence and you get veering off the tracks. Here's
Caleb Williams trying to rebound from that Commodore's mess.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
You know, we just lost the game, and we lost
the game in a way that that sucks. Is obviously
a sense of accountability that I have to take. Didn't
play well for us half. They got multiple three points
that allowed them to put themselves in a position to
be able to obviously have that that that thirty second
drive and throw a hell Mary.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The other thing I think is interesting this week has
been the pushback on the Colts moving off Anthony Richardson
and going with Joe Flacco. And I was reading a
story this morning, the NFL is really no longer a
developmental league for quarterbacks. Stand school another year, do a
(37:44):
bow knicks. Just stand school another year, you're better off.
It's not a developmental league. So if you come to
the NFL like Anthony Richardson with thirteen starts, and you're like, well,
I'll get two to three years to get cleaned up,
they won't. No, they won't. I mean Jim Ursay is
one of the more impulsive owners. You will get a
year and by Thanksgiving of year two, That's always been
(38:06):
my timeline. Thanksgiving of year two, people are making decisions
on you. Now, the Colts beat that by about a month.
They already made a decision. But this idea that, hey,
it's a slow build. When owners used to have a
net worth of four hundred and eighty million dollars, it
was now owners the poorest owners worth two billion dollars. Like,
(38:30):
that's not the way it works now, So what does
that mean? They can fire an entire staff forty eight
million dollars. It's a rounding air. They can make that
in a day. Now they don't care. They want to
win now. Billionaires are less patient on Silicon Valley, Wall
Street in the NFL. So this idea that, oh, this
kid deserves time, deserves that's over. I mean it was literally,
(38:53):
if you think I'm wrong, ask yourself. This Wasn't everybody
shocked when the Giants gave Daniel Jones a new contract?
Like what more do you need to see what you're like?
And look at the mess the Giants are, So this
idea that the NFL, oh, it's just a developmental leaku
nuts not stay in college. Stay in college, get another
(39:17):
twelve games under you. I mean, I don't think bo Nicks.
It doesn't jump off the television. But the part that
I really liked about him is he was more athletic
than your thought, and he played sixty one college games
with two programs, so you knew when he came into
the league he'd be ready to play. He'd have to
catch up the game speed. That'd take about six games.
But if you watch the last couple of weeks, you're like, Okay,
he's caught up to the speed of the league. He
(39:38):
looks like a franchise quarterback. But you don't go to
the NFL thinking, hey, I, hey, I gotta get time
here can he Pickett? A Pittsburgh kid. The Steelers were
like after about ten games, that didn't look great. After
fifteen games like, I don't know if this works, boom gone.
Greg Cosel. Top of next hour. Gey bet football plays
(39:59):
fantasy football. I just want to get smarter at football.
Greg Cosel coming up next
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