3 & Out - Jets win a game, Fugazi Friday, Stuckey joins the pod - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is going on? Everybody Happy Fugazi Friday. Hopefully you
had a good Halloween. The New York Jets, let me
say this out loud. The New York Jets have won
a football game. Aaron Rodgers, the Jets Davante Kara Wilson

(00:37):
almost to their champions, felt like their champions because they
needed to win, score twenty one points in the second half,
win a game at home, and they're champions. We'll just
call them champions. They were once favored to win the
NFC or the AFC East. Currently three and six, but
you know three and six bet two and seven. The Texans,
they got some issues that they're they're past. Blocking is

(01:01):
a problem, which is leading the CJ getting crushed and
then not playing very well. So Dimiko's a stud defensive coach.
I think they got good defensive players, but obviously you
got some offensive wide receiver issues. You can't block, Yeah,
you got no shot in this league, and right now

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he is getting crushed. So we'll dive into some numbers there.
We want to talk a little bit about the development
of quarterbacks because it's been such a polarizing topic with
Richardson getting benched and all these other guys getting benched
and traded and do have to hit on a on
a almost a Thanksgiving, Halloween fugazi, which is whenever I

(01:42):
hear stories about this. I don't have kids yet, so
I'm not out trigger treating. But someone mentioned this to
me the other day and just made me sick. It
really did. And Stucky joins us as he does every Friday.
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Speaker 3 (03:58):
The Jets one air Rogers, Woodie Johnson, DeVante Adams scored
a touchdown, Jeff Olbrick Todd downing Hackett. I didn't even
think I saw him the night fireman ed Halloween night.
The Jets win a game. Gotta be honest. The first
half I was jealous of everyone with children who are

(04:20):
out and about trick or treating, not being forced to
watch the Jets not score a point, And he went,
are we I don't know if I can do this again.
Just come on, be really negative. The Jets are dead.
This franchise sucks. Who are they gonna hire? I keep
texting everyone I know Rex Ryan, like I'm not jumping
off that bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Rex Ryan is gonna be the next head coach of
the Jets. That's a strong educated guess I do believe that,
but right now and has Herbstreet now like they're not dead.
It's like, guys, let's pump the brakes. They won a game.
Let's just go the good bad in the ugly. I
think the good. If you're the Jets, Aaron Rodgers are
forty years old, thoroughly out played CJ stround. If you're

(05:02):
just watching that game and you did nothing about football
and you're just watching the two quarterbacks play, clearly the
best quarterback played for the Jets. He threw three second
half touchdowns, and two of them the Davante won and
the second Garrett Wilson won. Second Garrett Wilson was I
think three and nineteen or three and eighteen or third

(05:24):
and eighteen, and he a little bit of a lollipop throw.
Incredible pass, but you know, Aaron Trust's guy. The touchdown
to Davante, I mean looked a little old school Packers
third and three, just get the corner, Davante, give him
a little stutter step, goes right around him. Easy touchdown.
Hit Garrett Wilson on just to me, the one where
Garrett makes the incredible play in the back of the

(05:46):
end zone. I mean, Rogers gave him a chance. But
that is like on the pie chart of like quarterback
wide receiver credit, like I'm getting like ninety percent to
Garrett Wilson the first touchdown on the cross or when
Aaron about to get smoked. That's just a high level play.
I mean Garret Wilson's two touchdowns to Night and he
didn't use his left hand, so great plays by him.

(06:08):
You get DeVante, who looked like he was KO'ed, comes
back in the game, so an offense that I googled it.
At halftime. They were twenty fifth in the NFL coming
into this week in scoring, averaging like eighteen points a game.
They averaged like ten points a game in the first half,
which is like eighteenth. They didn't score a touchdown to Night,

(06:29):
so after the first half you're like, I don't know
if I could do it, and then Aaron gains a
little life. I do think the over hyping of brest
Hall is an all time like football nerd moment this
offseason when everyone was telling me you had to draft
him number one in fantasy. He's gonna be one of
the best runs. He's a good player, But I think
the best running back in this game was on the

(06:49):
other team. But they get both those guys going, it
takes a little pressure off them. Here's the one thing
you'd say about DeVante a couple times when Aaron checks
out of that run and hits him on those quick
screens and they just get an easy seven, eight, ten
yards because Davante did have a bad drop early in
the game, and you just think to yourself, is it
the Jerseys? Is it the Jets? Jerseys doing it to

(07:11):
these guys? And then he gets a little life in
the second half. Garrett Wilson was just a man amongst
boys with those two plays, and you're just like, Okay,
this is just they played like a real team, at
least offensively for moments. Now, Like is this a sustainable thing?
I don't know. I mean, I think it's just reiterated

(07:32):
when you watch him play. His movement ability the one
thing you know, CJ played a shitty game, but CJ
can really move especially in the West Coast. You know
Kyle Shanahan offense, that's a lot of play action getting
him on Like he's a really good athlete, obviously young
and healthy. Well, I don't know how for how long
if he keeps getting hit like that every time Rogers
takes a couple of steps, he's like, he ain't going anywhere,

(07:53):
so he's got to take you take advantage in the pocket.
He really needs the two wide receivers luckily, as we
saw tonight. I mean, Garrett Wilson's a pretty special talent.
I mean those his second touchdown catches, they start showing
the Beckham that is an incredible catch. I mean, when
the season is done, there can't be three or four

(08:14):
better catches than that, and there's a chance that goes
down as like one of the best catches, if not
the best catch of the season. You got the two
running backs. It is hard to play offensive football when
you have four offensive tackles on your offensive line. Now
it's not their fault, they got injuries. You're forced to
put guys up there. Obviously, Barrett Tucker's out. You have

(08:35):
your rookie starting or playing a lot of left guard.
He's a left tackle, which I give him a lot
of credit for even trying. But I don't know if
that's necessarily a winning formula over the course of games,
especially depending on a matchup. If you play a good
team with two good defensive interior pass rushers, but the

(08:55):
Texans once Will Anderson got hurt, couldn't quite take advantage
and get to right and even when they got closed,
he got rid of the ball quick like overall, especially
the second half, like that's rogers crowning achievement so far
as a New York Jet by a country mile. To
be honest with you, I mean that that half, if
you're a Jets fan, was like, God, we've been waiting

(09:16):
till Halloween for that, you know, and it's I will
keep hammering this home. It is not what it used
to be. Once Davante caught that ball, and that's like
their sixty ninth I think touchdown together and they threw
it back to twenty twenty one, the last time he
threw a touchdown pass at DeVante with the Packers, Like

(09:36):
that's a different player right there in twenty twenty one.
But if they could just get more halfs like that, Like,
I just think at least you would have a chance
in games, because you've been watching some of these games,
you like, I don't know, man, this is just this
is such smoking mirrors. Even against the Patriots. I know
they had a late lead, but I mean the Patriots
are one of the worst teams in the league short

(09:57):
week get a win, especially with all the bad Jews
you there. They do have a bunch of injuries. I
mean Sauce it feels like goes down like every two
or three series, and he hasn't really had a great season.
But another bright spot tonight was I mean that pass
rush was flying around. So one thing, like their defense
isn't as good. You can run the ball on them

(10:19):
with these I mean, any good running back is going
for one hundred on these guys. But if I can
get you in passing situations. The thing we've heard, you know,
the last couple of years, even with their shitty quarterback play,
is the Jets have a fantastic pass rush. Not as
good this year because they've lost depth, and up until
two weeks ago, they hadn't had Reddick and he was

(10:40):
basically replacing Huff who was an eleven SAC guy. But tonight,
like all their players are flying around and they sacked
CJ eight times, which we'll get into here in a minute.
But that's not normally gonna happen. But if they can
consistently get pressure like yeah, that they can be a
lot more competitive because stopping the run is not going
to be something they're gonna be able to do. I mean,

(11:02):
I don't know if Will McDonald and Son Reddick are
great run players and beside Quinn and Williams like I
will run the ball right at Kin Law and you
know their dbs, I wouldn't exactly call you know, Steve
Atwater and John Lynch back there. But pass defense is
something the last couple of years they felt very confident

(11:22):
about because they would get after your ass up front,
and that was a point of differentiation for the franchise,
even when their offense was an embarrassment with the quarterback situation.
It was the pass rush with smother quarterbacks and their
dbs can all cover. Obviously saw us when he's healthy
and playing well. High end player. DJ Reid excellent player,

(11:44):
and so you got multiple high end corners, which most
teams have one good corner. Maybe, So if you can
get back to that, I still think when you can't
slow down the run like that is just a problem.
And that's that's why you're gonna the other opponent, whether
it's a good team like the Texans or a bad

(12:05):
team like the Patriots, are gonna be in games. I mean,
in ten days, they play Arizona. Well, what does Arizona have.
They have James Connor, who is just like Joe Mixon,
and they also have a quarterback who is way faster
than CJ. And you saw a couple times CJ got
to the edge, but his ankle's been banged up, but
he's probably not quite as fast as if he was healthy.

(12:26):
I mean, one time he was running it look like
he was gonna have an easy first down. He was
like a yard short. I think they ended up getting
it at the next play, but like, if that's Kyler Murray,
you know that's an easy first down. So that's still
a pretty big concern. Like I'm not gonna pound my
chest if I'm a Jets fan, and like you'd be crazy. Now,
listen to New York people, I would imagine tend to

(12:46):
be a little more pessimistic with this stuff. But yeah,
and to me, like this is up until the last
ten minutes when the Jets scored a couple of touchdowns,
it was the most Jets game of all time. I
mean it really was. They had Number fourteen drop the
touchdown when he's walking in the end zone. I literally

(13:06):
was sitting on the couch watching it. He scores, I
get up. I think to like grab a water or
take a leak or something, kind of screw around with something.
Just I just expect the extra point come back. I
kind of have it timed out in my head. I
got a pretty good idea. I've been watching a lot
of football in my life, and I come back and
I see it's zero zero, like, and the text of
the ball at the twenty yard line, like what happened?

(13:28):
And they roughed to punter, they roughed a snapper. They
had a million other penalties, but hey, you know, you
can overcome penalties. You can overcome turnovers when you score touchdowns.
And for a stretch in the second half they score touchdowns,
and they were relatively potent on offense compared to what
they have been before. So the Jets are in a

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position where they are going to, you know, apologize for
anything as they should not. A win's a win. You
saw life out of DeVante, which big I mean. I
think one question mark with him is like is he
still the same guy? Like is this guy like what's
going on there? And he had a move I think
against is it Lassiter the kid from Georgia The rookie

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who's actually a pretty good player, smoked him on a
route that was the one where they thought he got
the concussion. But like, Davante's never been a speed demon,
and at this point in time in his career, he's
probably like a four to eight guy. But guess what,
you can be an outstanding player even if you're slow,
if you're an elite route runner and you have you know,
elite feet, like you could have great feet and not

(14:34):
be super fast Keenan Allen DeAndre Hopkins, And that's how
you separate as a route runner, especially your release, and
that's always something Davante has held hung his hat on.
So to me, if Davante can bring what he brought
tonight and Garrett Wilson can play, you know, at an
all star level, because he's clearly an all star talent,

(14:58):
and they can just keep Rogers some what upright and
just get you know, some momentum like that their offense
shouldn't just suck even if he can't run and he
can't like so the boots and everything, like he's just
got to be a pocket quarterback. But yeah, props to uh,
props to the Jets. I mean, what a crazy moment,

(15:18):
it's cool. Like the one thing I do relate to
having been you know, fired, relieved of my duties, not
out of my contract renewed. In the NFL, that's a
tough spot to be in. You know, the players are
used to kind of being mercenaries in the NFL because
you get cut all the time, your contracts aren't guaranteed.
You're kind of playing like the majority of guys aren't
Aaron Rodgers or Quinn and Williams or you know, CJ. Stroud,

(15:43):
Like you're not exactly on scholarship in the NFL. So
players are used that, but coaches like you get somewhere
all of a sudden, the guy gets fired. You pretty
much know like I'm not gonna be here at the
end of the year. And you talk about you tell
your players this all the time. Be a pro, stay focused,
be a pro, stay locked in out the outside noise,
Like that's hard. You know, that's why players struggle to

(16:04):
do it well. Coaches are no different. You look at
that entire staff like they know they got two more
months living in New York before they are handed their
pink slips, and the Jets hire Rex Ryan and it's
just you just gotta keep grinding. You gotta keep working.
It's probably easier on a Thursday night game. You don't
even get any time to think. You basically have two
and a half days, you know, to get ready for

(16:26):
the game. You're exhausted from the previous week's game, right
you're traveling on Sunday, you get home, you probably go
right to the office. Gotta be exhausted. They got to
have an incredible like Red bull adderall cocktails for the
last forty eight hours. But it's it's a tough position
to be in now. These guys, majority of these guys
in that staff highly compensated. So it's not like I

(16:49):
they're not gonna eckon. These guys aren't gonna be on
the street not being able to pay for groceries. I mean,
tight end coaches are making four hundred and fifty grand,
let alone, the coordinators making seven figures. I mean Oldrik's
probably making two and a half million dollars. So listen,
these guys are making a lot of money, but you're
still a human being about to lose your job and
have to uproot your family. I get it to the
life you chose, but it's got to be a shitty situation.

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And on the flip side, I looked right before I
hopped on here as the game was the last couple
of minutes of the game when it was clear the
Texans were gonna lose coming into this week, so it
doesn't count. This game, the Cleveland Browns had their quarterback,
which the majority of it was obviously Deshaun Watson. I
didn't look last week how many times Jamis was sacked,

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but their quarterback had been sacked thirty seven times, which
was leading the league by ten sacks. So the next
group which waits for the teams the Patriots, the Giants,
the Raiders, and the Bears. The Bears are the only
functional team of that group, but their offensive line, like

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that other group, are terrible. We're all like twenty seven
to twenty six, and coming into this week, the Texans
were twenty three, so they weren't that far behind. The
Browns were kind of an outlier, and the Texans were
near the top of the league in terms of getting
their CJ. Stroud hit and sacked. Well tonight they had eight.
So as we sit here today beside the Browns, and

(18:15):
I get it, they've played an extra game and now
some of these, you know, depending on your bye week,
they're already they're thirty one sacks. So you watch them
and every single week, you know, depending on their matchup.
You know, like last week I had them on a
smaller TV. Every time I look up, it's like, this
guy's just getting crushed. He gets hit constantly. And I
get it, they missed on the left guard and he

(18:37):
gets injured, and they bringing the other guy and he's
getting smoked, but it feels like he is getting pressured
when you just watch them play at a higher rate
than ninety percent of the league, and then you look
at the numbers, it's like, yeah, well he is. And
then you watch him play when he does have some time,
it's like he does not look that good. I mean,

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there was a play on third down where they called
a play action classic Shanahan route, easy lay up throw
for these guys, especially someone of CJ. Stroud's caliber and
Tank Dell wide open past the first down marker would
have been an easy first down. It's not. CJ's not

(19:19):
even throwing a hard ball, and he just obviously Tank's
not the biggest player, but it's one of those you
just hit him in the bread basket hit him in stride.
It's something a player of his level should do with ease,
and he airmails them. And then honestly, at the end
of the game, there was a play that kind of
broke down. CJ kept alive, which he did a lot

(19:39):
tonight because he is a pretty good athlete. Mechi breaks
it off last minute cuts into the end zone on
kind of a freelance play, but they're on the same page. CJ.
Season should have been a pretty easy touchdown. I think
the second half of the season twenty twenty three, CJ
Stroud that's a touch down. Tonight it felt like he

(20:02):
missed him by a mile, So yeah, he's getting crushed.
He is getting hit non stop, which is kind of
crazy because when mixes of the game, they're running the
ball pretty well, but it doesn't really matter whether it's
third and ten or third and three if they pass.
Like he is under duress, and when he does have
a little time, I don't know if he's just thinking
about it, because it would have to get into your

(20:23):
head a little bit, like someone's gonna hit me. But
he looks bad and listen road game short week, like
I'm not writing the guys off after tonight. But tough situation.
But I think for a couple of weeks now he
just hasn't been playing that well. Obviously, their best wide receiver,

(20:43):
who is like Mike Evans two point zero is injured.
I get it that's a problem, but like you're a
high level guy, I've annointed you. It's like this guy's
like a top five quarterback. It's like malmes Lamar Alan
Herbert CJ. It's like, well they don't look like that.
You just got outplayed by the fourty year old that
we've all been making fun of. So rough night for Stroud,

(21:06):
rough night for that offensive line. When your offensive line
is that bad, it really I just can't take it
seriously as a team. And this was a team that
your boy sprink a little money at on for eight
to one to be the number one seed. Well that's
that's a rap that ain't happening. And this is where
if you're the Colts, like this is the reason, like

(21:26):
this is why you bench andthy Richison, you should have
beat that team. I mean, they can't protect their quarterback
and it's not like their offense is very potent right now.
So that's I don't know. I like their coach. How
can you not Will Anderson, you know, rolls his ankle,
tries to play through it, doesn't come back for the
second half. Their corners are good. I mean those honestly.

(21:47):
Even on the on the second touchdown that Garrett Wilson had,
the dB was all over them. That's just it's like
sometimes good offense just beats good defense. They's been saying
in the NBA forever like they're gonna be Kobe Bryant,
Michael Jordan jump shots that I don't give a shit
if you're the greatest defender in the history of the sport,
like they're gonna hit it over you. And that's kind
of that moment you just kind of tip your hat

(22:07):
to it. Honestly, the first touchdown when the dB kind
of cut it off and got greedy instead of just
playing the player tackling them, and that was a big
swing because he misses the ball, Garrett makes an Odell
Beckham one hand or catch and walks the thing into
the end zone. And then the last touchdown, dB just
got smoked against Devonte Adams, who's you know, I don't

(22:30):
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Speaker 2 (24:12):
And speaking of quarterback development, I've been seeing so many
tweets and things on my Instagram about the NFL has
a quarterback development problem. That's all I see. And it's
like it starts listing all the names. Anthony Richardson benched,
Bryce Young, Trey Lanch benched, Will Levis benched, Mac Jones,

(24:34):
Canny Pickett benched. Obviously a lot of highly drafted quarterbacks
have been benched, traded, not worked out. I also think
the group of a lot of these names that we're
throwing out up until the quarterback inflation, which I think
there was an inflection point, right around Mahomes and Josh Allen.

(24:57):
When those two guys hit, everyone just went bananas on
drafting quarterbacks that historically in NFL history never would have
been drafted that high. For the overwhelming majority of my life,
guys like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett were like Kirk Cousins.

(25:17):
They went on the third day of the draft. Let's
use Bryce Young up until Russell Wilson, and honestly, comparing
Russell Wilson to Bryce Young feels a little crazy. Given
one guy weighs like one hundred and eighty pounds and
the other guy's like two hundred and twenty pounds and
has a massive arm and definitely did when he was young.
I think it's pretty crazy. But Russell Wilson, as a

(25:39):
five to ten guy, he was almost five to eleven
went in the third round. This guy at five to nine,
a buck eighty five, went number one overall. Trey Lance
played one season at North Dakota State, one season where
honestly the majority of his play was runrunning the ball against.

(26:02):
I would say ninety nine percent of the guys he
played against that season are never or never did play
on Sundays. And then Anthony Richardson, while he is an
NFL body in a physical freak, started one season over
like five years. So in the history of guys like
Bryce Young, a guy five to nine might have gone

(26:24):
undrafted in like nineteen ninety six, Trey Lance, small school
one season. Honestly, even he's like a third or fourth
round project twenty years ago, Anthony Richardson, maybe he goes
in the second round. But that guy in the history
of the league up until that inflection point is never
sniffing the top five of a draft. So all I
hear is quarterback development issues we have. Maybe we're just

(26:49):
drafting quarterbacks that never got drafted that high when we
already had guys who had accomplished way more in college
and fit the bill and also struggled. It's a tough
position to play, it really is. And the other thing
with quarterbacks like think about like venture capital. Right, it's
gotten really popular because all these guys become famous because
they get the most money and they can buy sports teams. Well,

(27:11):
if I take a lump sum of my firm has
two hundred and fifty million dollars, right, and I spread
it out, I give it to ten different startups twenty
different startups. I diversify my portfolio, and if one of
them turns into Google or Apple or or Netflix or whatever,

(27:32):
that one alone dwarfs all the money that I put out.
And if I just hit on a couple that are
like five or ten x ers, I'm in the clear.
I'm cool with missing on a ton of them. Well,
think about a draft. You have seven or eight draft picks.
It's why all the time at every other position, you
can draft the same position multiple times to writ a draft,

(27:54):
and over the course of two years, let's take let's
say a team has fourteen draft picks. Maybe over that
period of time they draft three offensive linemen or four
defensive backs or three defensive linemen. So over the course
of like two or three years, Yeah, the second round
defensive lineman, you know what, it turns out he sucked.

(28:14):
But you know the guy we got in the fifth round,
Oh yeah, Max Crosby. No one ends up talking about
the second rounder anymore. It happens all the time, like, oh,
how about our first round wide receiver, And two years
later the fourth rounder is way better and everyone's like, God,
pay this guy, Nico Collins. What quarterback? When you draft
a guy really high. What happens, you typically don't draft

(28:37):
another one for several years, so that guy's kind of
on an island. And when that guy's bad, it feels
like there's no replacement. It's just him. And obviously at
that position, it's way more famous. We talk about him
way more. They are the most important guy in terms
of if he's good. It's like investing in Uber. There

(28:59):
is there's no draft pick, there is no trade up
high enough to get one of the star quarterbacks. But
everyone has so desperately tried, with the Anthony Richinsons, with
the Trey Lances, to try to get the next Lamar
Jackson or Josh Allen or Justin Herbert. Those guys are outliers,
and I think we're seeing it right now. But this

(29:20):
notion of like, you know, Anthony Richardson got done dirty
by his team, because I've seen some people around football
it's like, you know, how are you supposed to have
develop this guy if he's not playing well? What are
you supposed to say to the other fucking guys on
the team, Like, Hey, guys, we don't give a shit
about winning any of these games. We're just gonna develop
them and yeat. Ryan Kelly, I know you're just laying

(29:41):
the line. Your whole entire body hurts. You're one of
the better players you know in our franchise over the
last twenty five years. Probably not gonna win as many
games because this guy can't hit water from a boat,
But hey man, this is what we're doing. They couldn't
do that. So even if you separate the TapouT helmet,
you can only get so far with the competitive team.

(30:03):
If you're the Panthers, if you're the Patriots, if you're whatever,
it's like you can just roll with the guy because
you're gonna lose no matter what. But when you have
a chance to win every week, you can't roll that
out there because in all those other positions, they all
know like I could have easily been replaced. It's basically
the Hunger Games at every other position. Did any moment

(30:24):
like the next year, all this fourth round, or holy shit,
is he better than me? And all of a sudden
I get benched, I get cut, I get traded, and
that guy becomes a starter. They all see it. In
the quarterback is like, oh, we gotta take care of him,
we gotta be careful with him. You could do that
if he's like a great player, and even then you
better treat it very carefully. You could not do that
if the guy's averager below. And if the guy's a

(30:45):
liability and not good enough and you do that, you're
gonna get fired. So to me, like, not only they
make the right decision, they had the right mindset when
they picked them. And let's face it, as we see
here today, it's a disastrous pick. It doesn't get much worse.
It really doesn't. It's like a better version of Trey Lance,
but still extremely bad. I mean, because he's a better player,

(31:08):
but similar outcome, Like I don't think you can win
many games with this guy, because you can't. And is
the coaching staff in the GM like they can discuss
it all they want, And this is the locker room
turns on you, and a locker room knew And they
made that decision not because Chris Ballard and Shane Stike
and like truly because they knew the locker room would
they would tap out and then they would lose the team. Okay,

(31:31):
before we get out of here, I talked to someone today.
I don't have any trigger treaders. I moved to this
house last year. I don't know if it's the part
of the community I live in. We don't have street lights.
We bought seven million pounds of candy last year. Was
so excited. She even made rice Krispy Tree special ones

(31:52):
with M and M's. We're just gonna have a bash.
All these little kids. Didn't get one person. Actually we did,
but it was because she put a post on next door.
They just aren' turger tree, which was kind of disheartening.
But someone told me I was talking to them within
the last couple of days that they remember last year.
They were taking their kids and someone had a bowl
with toothbrushes. This is to me, the Fourth of July

(32:17):
for little kids. It is an incredible holiday for little
kids and any human any human being. If you don't
want to participate, I have no issue with it. Turn
off your lights and just don't participate in Halloween. People
won't walk up to the door, but if you are
going to put something out there and listen, I'm pro health.

(32:39):
Health is wealth and candy. I've already had too much
this week. I understand you know. I'm trying to get
a workout in six seven days a week, So I'm
a pro that and I understand some people do not
condone giving all the kids. There are two options. You
either don't participate, turn the house lights off, or you
hand out candy anything else. Obviously you're like messing around,

(33:01):
giving beers out to people or whatever, having fun out.
I'm just talking about anything like toothbrushes fruit. You should
be arrested. I mean you really should. You something is
wrong with you, Like you're not teaching life lessons on Halloween.
This is the night I've been to live forty years
and from the moment I could trick or treat still

(33:22):
to this day, because my brother's taking his kids. They
want trick or treating today they can have as much
candy as they want. It's just one of those moments.
And if you push back against it, you got problems,
and you, deep down in my soul, make me very angry,
because that is that's just whack job behavior. It really
is hand out toothbrushes. Like you do understand all these

(33:43):
parents that are bringing their kids, they have their toothbrushes
are at home, you know, in their bathrooms in the sink,
Like they don't need your fucking toothbrush. You're not You're
not doctor, Mandelis. That was my dentists back in the day.
But you don't need to hand out toothbrushes and fruit, Like,
give me a break. Do you ever try to feed
a kid fruit? They throw it on the ground. So

(34:04):
let's just two options. And I know most people listening
you're probably all with me, but there are a few
of you that know a few people that should be.
I don't know what we do. I'd be cool like arresting,
but definitely a citation. Something has to happen. If you
are participating Lights on and you have anything but candy

(34:24):
out there, you got problems. Okay, Happy Halloween, everybody. Back
at it again with my main man Stucky from Lexington, Kentucky.

(34:45):
All lines here presented by our friends, our partners at DraftKings.
And you know, I was thinking, whenever I start scrolling
the schedule on like Monday or Tuesday, and you're on
ESPN dot com and you go from like week four
to week six and you start moving, you start realizing, God,
it's season's flying by, Like we need to slow down.
I start getting I start getting some anxiety, Stucky, because

(35:08):
I'm like, God, can we pump the brakes a little bit?
We're getting close like the college football playoffs. Yeah, it's cool,
but it also means we're close to ending the season.
I start getting those feels this week when I looked
at the schedule. Not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, that's the same for me whenever it's week ten,
because it's like, while we're in the double digit weeks already,
and that's when it really hits me. It always seems
to just come in a flash. And yeah, so cherish
all these weekends that we all yearn for. When you
know it's June.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well, one thing that definitely starts happening. I mean, hell,
even in Scottsdale this morning, it was when I got
in my car, it was forty eight degrees, So the
weather starts turning. And I think sometimes you know, you're
dialed into this, but I you know, some of us
a little more casual when it comes to just talking
about the game, betting on the game. All of a sudden,

(36:04):
you turn on the TV Sunday morning, You're like, uh,
this weather changes everything, and that's something you definitely have
to keep an eye on. You know, some of these
games at Philly at Baltimore. Maybe not this weekend specifically,
but right when we turn Halloween. That's when we start,
you know, getting some of these curve balls back in
some of these cities. H just big picture, any any

(36:26):
weather this week in any of these places in the Northeast.
That that caught your eye, because sometimes you start getting
a big line. It's like you just it's like an
auto hammer the underdog. Sometimes you're gonna have crappy weather.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I mean unders too, especially early in the week,
they usually are going to get hit. Wind is the
biggest thing. Rain doesn't matter as much. Snow. I actually
like to look for snow overs, like call them snow overs.
If there's enough snow, got to bet it like really
close to kick though, like if there's like a coating
on the field, like a significant coating, because usually what

(36:58):
happens is the total comes down. But historically those games
go over because the defense is just at such a
disadvantage because they just don't have footing. You can't really
get a pass rush. Brady's actually talked about that a lot.
I mean the Patriots their games used to fly over
when there was snow. So you have like as long
as there's not too much wind, there's enough snow, but
not too much it's a very fine line. You can't

(37:19):
have like, you know, eight inch, you can't have eight
inches on the field.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I remember Shady McCoy had a big game in the
snow years ago on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yep, he was. He was great in that because he
could cut and the defense just can't get their footing,
so he was he was famous for that. But yeah,
with like wind unders, even against the clothes that historically
don't well, the key mark you're looking for is fifteen
miles per hour uh sustained winds. And then obviously if
you have like really big gusts, that helps too, because

(37:49):
it's going to impact the deep passing game, it's going
to impact field goals. It's gonna make coaches a little
bit more conservative. If for this weekend. I mean, the
one that sticks out to me the most is a
bet already made with the Packers plus three and a
half get to fade outdoor Pumpkin Goth Jared Goff just

(38:11):
any type of conditions turns into a complete pumpkin. I
saw you in practice yesterday with a he rolled his ankle.
I think that he's trying to get out of this game.
It's only one of two that yes, play outdoors.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I'm kidding, but talking MVP Golf Stuckey, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Mean he's played every game indoors. They've also played a
bunch of hurt defenses. No Jamison Williams. But if you
look at historically, I mean GoF and Campbell just automatic
against the spread. Like GoF is sixty percent against the
spread in his career, Campbell seventy percent. Since he's got
the Detroit But if you split out indoors versus outdoors,
Goff is thirty nine and sixteen against the spread indoors

(38:48):
seventy one percent, thirty four to thirty four and one outdoors.
And for what it's worth, the floor at home has
been very good. He's twenty eight and sixteen against the spread,
six and one as an underdogs. Touchdown the interception ratio
goes from three point eight touchdowns per interceptions to one
point eight when he's outdoors, straps by two full touchdowns.

(39:11):
And that's just that's all outdoor games. There's not always
weather conditions. There's gonna be win, there's gonna be rain.
It's a slower track in Green Bay, so there is
a lot of uncertainty with the quarterback situation. Which is
why the line is sitting here at three and a half.
But Malik wils has showed well. I mean, if you
look at all quarterbacks, he leads the NFL and EPA

(39:34):
plus completion percentage over expectation. Now he's only had I
think sixty sixty five dropbacks, but he's been good in
every game that he's played, even last week against Jacksonville
just led nothing but scoring drives in that game. Lafleur
will have him ready, but it looks like Love thinks
that he's gonna play. We'll see. It could be just
some gamesmanship.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
He talked like it. I thought his quotes on Wednesday
that like all signs point if he can move, he's playing, yep.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But then he is he hampered. But the thing is
that this Detroit defense with Al Hutchinson is bad. They
I mean they got torched by the Titans. The Titans
I've been able to move the ball on anybody. I mean,
I know they won fifty two to fourteen, but Titans
have three hundred yards in the first half. Somehow they
were down twenty eight. Titans are a special team, you know.

(40:25):
I mean, Minnesota moved the ball. Their pressure rate's going
way down. They're exposedive play rates going way up, So
whatever quarterback is in there, it's going to have all
day to throw. And this Detroit secondary is gettable and
it's just golf outdoors. So I think that this is
the top of the market on the lines. If the

(40:45):
line might tick up a bit, like I would have
Green Bay favored by a small amount if Love was
fully healthy, and you know, early in the year the
market was like assuming it was like a touchdown difference
between Love and Willis. I think that's been proven incorrect.
I think, you know, so anything over a field goal,
even if it is Willis, I still like this line

(41:06):
would obviously crash down if Love is in, which I
think probably I'm probably gonna say like sixty five thirty
five he's in, it might tick off to like four
four and a half if he's out. So yeah, it's
outdoor pumpkin golf in conditions.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
So it's safe. It's safe to say. If Lafleur on
Monday had just announced Malik Willis is going to start
this week, Jordan Love is for sure out. This line's
closer to five than it works. It's now three and
a half, four and a half, five or do you
think Malik Willis has shown enough? Because to me, when
I saw this number, obviously you knew when you saw
the number, Jordan Love's in question. I mean, hell, he

(41:42):
couldn't even finish the game on Sunday. This was the
number one game that stood out. It's like, wait, Packers
at Home. I mean, Halfley has been a huge upgrade
for them. You just watch them play. I mean they
had been. They just had games where they were like
a joke the last couple of years with Joe Berry.
Uh And to me, it feels they tackle better. Obviously
it's hard. I mean they're playing Trevor Lawrence, who's turnover king.

(42:04):
So he throws I mean just a horrendous pick backed
up into his own end zone. He had another terrible fumble.
But they have been creating turnovers. And the other thing is, listen,
I don't care who you are. Coming into the year,
You're like, wait, you trade for Malik Willis? What are
you guys doing? This is insane. I think we talked
about it like we just got a fit, and then
you watch him play, You're like, fucking Lafleur, who is

(42:26):
this guy? Bill waltsh what he did?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I actually kind of have faith because even one they
just won't try to, you know, put too much on
his shoulders. Jacobs's stud Malik can run. I think he's
averaging over eight yards of carry. And let's face it,
their weapons, I mean, their tight ends of stud all
their receivers are pretty dynamic. Like they can just manipulate
plays a little like Shanahan can do. It's like, Okay,

(42:49):
things aren't working, Just throw some quick screens. Just get
the ball in our hands behind the line of scrimmage
and we can gain yards that way. I just think
this is an auto packer hammer. Even you know, Sunday
comes and doesn't go your way. It's just it's one
hundred percent the right bet because like you said, everyone is.
Lions just win one hundred to nothing against the Titans.
Their quarterback didn't even throw for one hundred yards. I mean,

(43:09):
that's got to be a statistical outlier in the history
of the league. A team scores over fifty points with
a quarterback thrown in the eighties, that's has that ever
happened before?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I would highly doubt it. The Yeah, I mean, also
you have this. I mean historically, if you look at
teams that the previous week won by thirty five plus
in the NFL. Fading them the next week, you're, you
know about round sixty five percent against the spread. Same

(43:39):
thing as if you bet on a team that loses
by thirty five plus, very good bet usually the next week.
But yeah, I mean this line wild probably at four
and a half. The other thing is if you get
willis like the Lions can be got by mobile quarterbacks,
and Love probably wouldn't be at one hundred percent, So
I don't mind it either way. Just anything over a
field goal is what I was looking for there.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
When you say this game is more important for green
Bay as well, They've already lost to Minnesota at home.
So to have two home losses against two teams that
obviously not just in your division, but I mean teams
that can win your division like that, that'd be a
pretty big problem. If you told them at the beginning
of the year you're going to lose multiple home divisional
games and you're a Super Bowl contender or a division

(44:25):
contender like That's not something any coach or organization or
fan base signs up for. So this is to me,
this game is much bigger for green Bay than Detroit
especially like okay Detroit's they'd have the same amount of
losses if Detroit would lose, but one of their losses
was on that free Tampa game. They still control their
own destiny of their home games in the division, right,
and they've already gone on the road and won at Minnesota,
so it's it would not be as big a deal

(44:48):
in my opinion for Detroit losing this game.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, I mean, we talked about it last week on
like betting the Packers to win the division was the
time to do it last week, feeling that the Rams
will beat the Vikings, and I bet the Jags and
the Packers ended up winning and not covering, so that
was good for that bet. But you're right, this is
a huge game for them because they they then't go
into a bye week, but then they're at Chicago. Won't

(45:14):
be an easy game home against presumably a healthier San
Francisco team, home against Miami who's healthier now than at
Detroit at Seattle, home against New Orleans who's getting healthier.
At Minnesota, and then you you know, finish out the
year with the Bears at home, so it's not an
easy finish to the year. And then timing wise, you're

(45:37):
getting a lot of these teams. You know, things could change,
but that look like they're going to be getting healthier.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Playing Seattle with DK Metcalf or without the k Metcalf
is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, and their defense too, has been ravaged by like
Detroit got to play Seattle when They're defense was ravaged
by injuries. They're probably going to be a lot healthier
later in the year. So, yeah, this is an important
game for green Bay looking forward to it. But yeah,
goffin conditions usually he just turns into a completely different quarterback.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
You know, another number that jumped out to me is
Denver plus nine at Baltimore. Obviously, Baltimore has kind of
turned into a pumpkin in some of these second halfs
on defense, and these teams have been able to score
on them. Clearly Cleveland is just a completely different team.
You Know, one thing I thought, just big picture on

(46:29):
the Monday night game is like Baltimore and Pittsburgh didn't
get to play Cleveland when de Sean Watson was playing.
So you know, all four of those games, obviously Baltimore
lost one, but both the games in Cleveland, you're gonna
get just a much more credible team, right, They're gonna
be a much tougher out. Obviously defensively in their passing
game is completely different. I mean that's aside from here,

(46:52):
but Baltimore dropping that game. But it's like their pass defense,
it's just a problem. And obviously Denver. I wouldn't exactly
say is Peyton manning Denver offense? But one thing bo
Nicks has shown is like he kind of heats up
as the game goes on. Their defense is pretty good.
I was not saying that they're gonna win this game,
but it's hard to feel comfortable with Baltimore. I mean

(47:13):
the injury status of some of their guys was you
know Wiggins was out last week, right, Humphrey's out. Are
those guys playing this week?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, Look it looks like Humphrey and Wiggins will be back,
which is important. I mean, the Ravens have been pretty
unlucky on defense, Like they have the most dropped interceptions.
They had like three or four last week. And if
you look who they played, like if you look at
their schedule, they played Mahomes, they played the Raiders. When
they had DeVante, they played the Cowboys, so they played

(47:44):
Dak Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels, and then
they had to play the Browns with a competent quarterback.
And then you know, they played the Bucks when they
had their weapons until later in that game. So their
schedule has, I mean, the opposing pass offenses that they
faced has been about as difficult as anyway. They've also

(48:05):
been extremely unlucky in penalties. If you look at judgment
call penalties, you know, things like PI They've had seventeen
more than their opponents, which is in insane number. It's
the most of the NFL by far. I like the
Ravens first half. So Lamar Jackson for what it's worth,
in the first half in his career, he's done. He's
the most profitable first half against sprit quarterback in NFL history.

(48:26):
He's fifty four to twenty nine and two sixty five
percent covering by over a field goal per game in
the first half. As a favorite, he's even better forty six,
twenty three and two sixty seven percent covered by four
points per game. That's just a stupid number for one
half football. And then when laying six or more eleven
three and one against the spread, close to eighty percent,

(48:48):
covering by five points per game. Why is that, Well,
Ravens usually have a pretty good game plan and then
it takes defense as a bit to get used to,
you know, his speed and getting those angles right, especially
when he's playing non divisional team. Mentioned the raven should
be healthier in the secondary. They and look, I look
at the and you can't run the ball in Baltimore.

(49:08):
They're the number one run defense in the NFL. They
did lose Michael Pierce, so the depth on the defensive
lines a bit concerning. But it's a pass final defense,
am I? And the Broncos have been good when they
can get their run game going. Am I really concerned
about bo Knicks and this Broncos offense exploiting Baltimore's pass defense?
Not really. I mean what you need is like an

(49:29):
elite quarterback and good receivers. That's how you can really attack.
There's like two really good receivers you can attack this
Ravens defense and look, bow Knicks, You're right for the
full game. The Ravens have blown leads and brow Knicks
has been a garbage time merchant. I mean, if you
break out his numbers, he's put up so much of

(49:50):
his stats when you know the game is out of
Handley to go back to that Chargers game, it was
twenty one nothing, and you know he led three scoring
drives late in that game. If you look, if you
just isolate Nix's early game numbers, and that includes a
game against the Panthers who have nothing on defense and
were decimated, the Saints who were decimated by injury and

(50:13):
have nothing, you know, and they got to play Bryce
Young and Spencer Rattler. Of the last two weeks, I
mean the Broncos schedule, if you look they played They
opened the year with the Seahawks, and they played the
Steelers and Justin Field's been benched. The Broncos had a
excuse me, the Bucks had a ton of defensive injuries.
But then they played the Jets, who have not been good.
But it was in a yeah, true windstorm and yeah

(50:34):
torrential Downpoard. Then they played the Raiders, the Chargers, the
Broncos and Panthers backups like they their schedule of opposing
offense complete opposite end of the spectrum of the Raivens.
This will be a shot to the system for their defense,
which blitzes.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
A ton Sean Payton even admitted it. Yeah, he was like, yeah,
it's kind of a joke. Guy, I wouldn't make too
much of that game.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, so yeah, he was like, yeah, we knew that
we were what was gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
What do you think of your defense? He's like, yeah,
it's hard to even tell against that offense. Like, can
you imagine being a Carolina fan or a coach like that?
That's and obviously he'll talk a little more shit than most,
but still, that's that was pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I thought, yeah, insane. You don't you don't usually see
that in the NFL. But Nicks he minus point one
four or five adjusted EPR play per play in the
first half. Only Deshaun Watson has been worse, and Knicks
has been even worse in the first quarter. Uh so
in the first half he's been really bad. So yeah,

(51:32):
Ravens have a propensity to blow leads. Knicks has been
good in the in garbage time, so I wouldn't be
surprised if they end up covering. But I like the
Ravens off the loss at home against this Broncos defense.
This could be a like a really a shock to
the system, especially with Lamar's feed and the Ravens offense
is just rolling right now. Broncos Blitz a Ton Lamar

(51:53):
has been absolutely dominant against the Blitz this season. So
I like the Ravens first half. But don't mind your
Broncos player.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I do think you know Baltimore, this is a game
like no one takes Denver that seriously. Like they may
make the seventh seed and everyone will bet against them
in the first round. I think we're gonna learn a
lot about the Ravens because last year, which obviously they
were better because their defense was so dominant, what do
they win this game? Forty to nine? I mean, they

(52:22):
would destroy these guys, and this is this is a
spot like this is the Ravens team if they are
who I think we thought they were gonna become the
last couple of weeks and then what happened with jamis
that they win this game pretty handily. But I just
don't trust them right now because I just their past defense.
But like you said, you bring up good points about
the quarterbacks they've played and bow Knicks, who I just

(52:44):
saw to day won the offensive Rookie of the Month.
I'm I'm not quite sure how that happened, but I
guess they don't factor in you know, fourth quarter Hollo stats.
And I'm not some bow Knicks hater, but he wouldn't
have gotten my vote if they sent me about I
know that. Uh So, yeah, there's a big moment for ball.

(53:05):
There's a bigger moment for Baltimore than it is for Denver.
Uh obviously Denver the next couple of weeks. I mean,
I mean they're gonna be huge underdogs against Baltimore. I
mean they are in Kansas City, but like, this is
a moment for Baltimore. It's like, okay, do do we?
Everyone was just like, God, damn, this team gonna win
the Super Bowl again. And you know it's just that
that team last year. Offensively, they're better right now. Right

(53:28):
Andrews is healthy, you know, Derrick Henry just brings him
an element. Lamar even looks better. But that defense, I mean,
that was that was why it's so much faith. I
mean what they did to the Niners going into that
Chiefs games like this is this who's beating this team?
And it's like when you had to have bad bass defense,
even when you play random quarterbacks, it can bite you
in the ass.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, not for sure, but that the Broncs just don't
have a receiver. It like, and you go back to
it like these go back to the Raves in this
spot historically at home dominate dominated, and like it was
similar to the Bills, right, the Bills hadn't played anybody,
and everyone was calling them the Super Bowl favorite, and

(54:08):
they went into Baltimore and couldn't move the ball, and
you know, with a mobile quarterback Tina wants to run it,
they don't really, They didn't have a number really dominant,
number one receiver and this game could end up going
the same way. But the Ravens just they they just
find ways to blow leads sometimes. So there certainly could

(54:29):
be a backdoor here. But I like the Ravens that
jump out early.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Okay, before we dive into Indie Minnesota another number that
jumped out to me because I actually thought, you know,
we talk about all these shitty teams. I mean, Carolina
is probably the most embarrassing team in recent memory because
unlike that Hugh Jackson Brown's team who was legitimately trying
to win, that Miami team while Flores tried, you know,

(54:55):
they kind of tanked in terms of their roster trading
everybody like this team is. They have injuries, they are
desperately trying every week. Did you see the viral photo
or video of them running a play. I think this
was two weeks ago, Like all slants, and every slant
was like different timing, Like it was just like it
was four or five wide. Every guy was running slant,

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and like they all broke at different times, you know,
like when you watch a great offense, it's all in sync.
It was just like, God, this is just they just stink.
But so to me, the Jags are better than the Titans,
are better than the Panthers, are better than the Patriots,
but god, they're quarterback man. Just every time it's like, eh,
they're playing pretty well, then he just hits a dude
in stride or just the ball falls out of his hand.

(55:40):
But this number, to me, is pretty big. And I
understand Philly, Like, is Philly just gonna have like three
straight games where they just blow people out? Now, clearly
they're better, but this is a classic game at home,
Like all of a sudden it's tied at half. You
may hear a couple of booze. I could to see
it getting a little weird to me. This is just
kind of an auto over a touchdown, Like is Philly

(56:02):
that good? Where just you're playing a team that is capable. Now,
Christian Kirk shatters his collar bone, which is a pretty
big blow given that they were probably gonna flip him
probably a fourth round pick, and he's just a good player,
so he helps their offense. But I just this number
plus even and a half, I don't know, it's it's
pretty big. Little Doug Peterson revenge, you know fired. I

(56:23):
don't know that that number jumped out to me.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Uh yeah, I can't play. Yeah, I need the I
need the injury report. I mean, you have.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
The Giets trade a tackle.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, he hasn't started in the last two games, but
he hasn't played. But I think they knew that they
were gonna trade him. But his replacement little isn't very good.
The problem is you did trade your left tackles. He
downgraded there too. Your two guards got hurt last week,
they didn't practice on Wednesday. You're you could be down
all three starting receivers. At the end of that game,

(56:57):
the Jagons were down five starters on offense.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Because Brian Tomas got hurt.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Brian Thomas, they need Brian Thomas here, otherwise you're down
to Tim Jones and.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I'm out. I'm out on that.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, So I like the injury situation on offense is
really bad. They also play man at the highest rate
in the league. Eagles, specifically A J Brown.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Their their defense. The defense defense.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
They did get. They have Tyson Campbell back, who's who's
really good, and he's their best corner, and without him
playing man was a fool's errand. But the Eagles have
historically torched man. It's and and it looks like their
defense might be getting better under Fangio. It's a complex scheme,
looks like some of the young corners are starting to
pick it up. And you know, I thought, hey, look,

(57:45):
I can't really take much from this because they played
Deshaun Watson and then they played Daniel Jones without Andrew
Thomas at left tackle. But they played well against Cincy,
and granted since he also lost its left tackle and
didn't have T Higgins, so you know, there there is
some noise in the numbers. But historically Fangio's defenses take
them some time. Maybe they've hit that point where they've

(58:07):
started to pick it up. But I can't play it yet,
you know, taking the seven half, I wouldn't blame you,
but you need like at least one of the guards
in and then I need Thomas because you know, if
you're to say you're down three of your offensive lineman
from two weeks ago and all three starting wide receivers,
even Tank Bigsby's is banged up, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I think it's crazy looking back that if LSU just
had the level of defense that they have right now,
I mean, that team should have won the National champions
I mean they had Brian Thomas, Malik Neighbors, and Jayden Daniels.
I mean their defense was.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So shitty bad, so bad.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I mean, can you imagine if they just had an
average SEC defense that team? Who's how do they not?
I mean, that's pretty crazy if it's why that I
was like, you know, Jade's gonna come back to Earth.
Look who he was throwing to. It's like, no, actually,
he's just pretty sweet. And those guys coming into the league.
I mean, if you're putting Elik Dabers on just a
decent team, and obviously Brian Thomas is just every time

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you look up, he's like, God, this guy's sweet too,
and that's listen, it's hard to top Jefferson Chase one
two college combination, but shit, that doesn't feel too far off.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, their losses last year, they gave up forty five
to Florida State, Ole Miss scored like fifty fifty five.
That game was fifty five to forty nine, and then
they lost to Alabama. So there are three teams that
top tier teams last year. And I mean that the
Old Miss game, they were up fourteen in the fourth

(59:46):
quarter and they gave up a touchdown ninety yard touchdown
drive in the final two minutes to lose that game.
So yeah, just silly offense. If you're right, you're right.
If they just had any semblance of a defense, they
would have been scary.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Butt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I mean, like, if you look at their scores, it's
just you know, there are other games seventy two, forty one,
thirty four, forty nine. These are gonsastise teams forty nine
forty eight. You know, they beat Army sixty two to
nothing Florida, they'd be fifty two thirty five Texas A
and them to be forty two thirty I won offense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Like obviously, you know I'm not trying to overreact to
the first These guys have long careers going, but like
the hype and it had like an Andrew Luck Trevor
Lawrence feel you didn't have a choice. You had to
take them, and clearly they liked them. But like I
wonder right now, if you just pulled the thirty two GMS,

(01:00:49):
what quarterback would you take today for the next ten years,
jayde Daniels or Caleb Williams. I would imagine it would
be heavily in Jane Daniel's favor, don't you think?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I agree? Yeah? I I definitely was not in that
vote either take me either, Like there was some like
because I like you was like, look, he was playing.
He had a really good offensive line too, like one
of the best offensive lines. Got two NFL tackles two yeah,
two and two first round draft picks at receiver, and
he's like pressure to sack numbers are pretty concerning, but

(01:01:27):
he's so far man, he's looked apart. Yeah, I would
think that as of right now, most would take Daniels
over Caleb.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I said it even as the game, you know, they
were kicking field goals. Like if you're watching a football
and you're just watching the guy play. You're like, this
guy is already one of the better players in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, more mobile, is more running ability than Caleb. I mean,
Caleb is mobile and can run too, but not like Daniels.
And that's the that's the You.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Remember how Raw, Remember how Raw? When Lamar first started,
he was as a passer. Like what he has done
these last couple of years. He is. It's crazy how
much he's improved, and now he's just a dominant Hall
of Fame player. But like this guy kind of came in.
I don't think he's quite as dynamic as a runner
as Lamar. I'll never forget. Like I think Lamar maybe
a bad Bengals team had this just incredible run against

(01:02:17):
the Bengals, Like its first couple of starts, it was like,
holy shit. It it might have been his MVP year
the next year, but it was just incredible. This guy
throws it like I didn't realize he throws it this well,
like the throws over the middle. The stick throws it's
like and he's got a hose, like it's just a
tight spiral lasers. Yeah, Caleb, Caleb just you know, shotgun

(01:02:41):
blasts all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Daniels is exponentially more accurate and more polish as the
paster than Lamar was when he first came in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Okay, speaking about a guy that's not polished, Anthony Richardson,
who is objectively terrible, I saw. I didn't see it
till yesterday. The comments Ryan Kelly, who's I don't know,
probably the Colts' top two or three player on the team.
Their center up said, I mean you you never hear

(01:03:11):
a player talk like yeah, we had to sit him
down and talk to like this is not acceptable. So clearly,
once that kind of video goes viral, separate from the
numbers on the on the field, which were obviously awful,
and throughout the entire season, it was like, there's no
way this guy is gonna start next week, Like I
didn't know if they were going to do it like
in perpetuity, Like they ended up doing it, but it's like,

(01:03:33):
you can't Jonathan Taylor. These guys are laying on the
line in this guy, it's like it's over for him,
and they go to Flacco, who, let's face it, has
had one of the craziest career resurrections in like the
history of sports. It really. I mean, this guy was
out of the NFL, and then the last couple of
years when he was a backup, it was like this,
what are we doing here? And now he's not just

(01:03:55):
like he is easily he ran circles around a guy
making two hundred thirty million dollars In the fourth overall
pick where you watch him take like two series, You're like,
it's not even close to the gap between this guy
and the guys he's replacing. I do wonder if Indy
gets just a huge life bump of like I wonder
if a lot of guys look around, because I saw

(01:04:15):
it with Trey Lance. Now Anthony Richinson's better than Trey Lance,
but it's like they're high end players. Didn't believe in them,
and it's like Ryan Kelly, Jonathan Taylor, like these guys
are trying to win every game. Why because they're like
big time players and they plan on going to the playoffs.
The Niners are a better version of the Cold Steam.
But they looked around like, kind, we can't win with
this guy. Like obviously Kyle turned on him, but I

(01:04:36):
also think he was influenced by Deebo, Samuel Trent Williams,
Fred Warner, Like this guy ain't good enough, bro, And
I do think that adds life when you think, like
obviously Joe Flacco is like his numbers are probably better
than he actually is. You know, Is that you understand
what I'm saying. Yeah, Like people would not be lined

(01:04:57):
up to sign this guy if he was a free
agent to like some one year, twenty five million dollars deal,
But relative to what they're playing with, it is such
a massive upgrade. Now, Minnesota coming off the Mini. By that,
I mean losing your left tackle, I mean, hotly, shit,
that's that's how good is that guy? I mean that's
a huge blow. I mean he's a big reason Trent

(01:05:17):
Williams held out. It's like, well, this is the best
young left tackle. He's making twenty eight and like, well
I need more than that guy. But that guy deserved
every penny he got. And to lose him for the season,
I mean the backup immediately started getting shoved around by
a rookie. So, like the Colts personnel's not great. But
the one thing I think every time that you watch
him play, I would say, over they are it feels

(01:05:38):
like they play really hard. Do you agree with that?
Like the defense relative to their talent. I just think
in D plus five in this spot kind of an
auto hammer for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
The one thing I don't get, though, is why announced
that they're going to start Flacco. Black Ow and Richardson
are obviously very different quarterbacks. Your offense is completely different
with Flacco.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Because it was because it was that it was that bad.
Like the locker room. It just that they didn't even
they couldn't play the game, but they but everyone would
want to talk to Richardson. He doesn't even know what
he's saying. He still doesn't I don't think quite realize.
Like every time you hear him talk, it's like, I
don't think he realized. Every single player, whether you're a

(01:06:23):
thirty five year old retired guy or like a fifty
eight year old on TV, they've all reiterated the same thing,
and yet you hear him talk, it's like, yeah, guys,
I don't think he understands anything you guys are saying.
Even Ryan Kelly was like, I just don't think he
gets it. So I don't think you had a choice
to like the circus. Yeah, I think I think that.

(01:06:44):
I think that was a big part of it. It
wasn't one of those like, let's say they know all
along Jordan Love has no chance to play this week,
and he's just playing it up. That's like there's no
circus there this thing. I mean, that's one of the
crazier It's weird because he's not that crazy when you
think he's just miss to play, but when you factor
in wait your quarterback, he never comes out, it is

(01:07:04):
pretty nuts. I mean it's unprecedented. It's literally never happened
for a non injury, right, It's like, wait, what happened?
He's just he's just gasped, yes, question now, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Mean, why did he running that out? We have why
say that out loud?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Like because he doesn't get he doesn't get he doesn't
get it. He doesn't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Uh yeah, to your Flacco point, I mean yeah, I
think the hype is a little too much in trust mean,
a Ravens fan, I love Flacco, but he did most
of his damage this year against the Jags secondary that
was just completely decimated by injury. You know, he threw
for close to four hundred yards in that game, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
In two of those touchdowns. Two of those touchdowns were
late in the fourth quarter, right, One was definitely a
blown coverage with the guy was wide open.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yep, you know. Against Pitt they were already up fourteen nothing.
He was sixteen to twenty six for one hundred and
sixty yards. Against the Titans, who thought Richardson was gonna play,
They weren't even preparing for Flacko. He was twenty two
of thirty eight for one eighty nine. It's a game
they won by three on a late touch down pass.
So you know, it's been one game where he's been

(01:08:04):
really good. I you know, and the Colts this year,
they're seven and one against the spread. Like all their
games are one possession, so they just find ways to cover.
Their wins are over the Dolphins with a backup quarterback,
the Steelers with now they're you know, with a backup
quarterback with Russ Now starting, the Bears, and the Titans,

(01:08:25):
so you know, but there are other they are losses
development by one possession. What I like in this game,
I like the Vikings first half minus three off two
losses at home in prime time, one of the best
home field advantages in the NFL with an at least yeah,
with an elite coaching staff. So and here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
The Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
You're right, they play hard. They've gotten healthier on defense,
but they play a very basic scheme and when they do,
when Gus Bradley does adjust, he doesn't really do until
the second half. Go back to the Green Bay game
when they played Malik Willis, they apparently refuse to adjust
to the run. Dream Bay almost set an NFL record
in the first half for rushing yards and then they
finally in the second half brought more guys up into
the box and had an extra defensive lineman. I don't

(01:09:09):
know why they didn't adjust in the first half. I mean,
it was insane. I think the Packers are into like
Threehilli yards in the first half. So have you give
O'Connell extra time to repairrier for a pretty basic defense,
and it's not a defense is gonna blitz a lot.
Not a defense is gonna get a ton of pressure.
So you don't have to worry as much about losing Gasol,
which I do think is big, especially for their season

(01:09:30):
long prospects. But the Vikings of offense this year has
been dominant early and that's because O'Connell's script, which I
think will be even better here. But if you look
Vikings been the best first quarter offense in the NFL.
They've been great in the first half, but their bottom
third if you look EPA or success right in the
second half, bottom third in the league. Even the Vikings

(01:09:51):
defense is better than the first half because boys usually
have some good wrinkles and a good game plan as well.
Vikings on the season are winning the first by over
a touchdown per game. They've only trailed once against Detroit
who seems to just have their number, and they've Johnson
seems to have Flora's number. If you look at their
results last year too, there are other six games you

(01:10:13):
removed that the Troy game, they've led by an average
of over ten points per game. And then if you
look Colts in the first half, twenty seventh at EPA
per play on offense thirty first in success rate. They've
only let it the half in two games they didn't
even lead at home against the Dolphins with their backup
quarterback or the Packers with their backup quarterback. Bradley, like
I said, slow to adjust, Vikings off two straight losses

(01:10:36):
in primetime, extra time for bear, for really good staff,
for Floraz, Gonna bring the Blitz, Gonna bring the exotic Blitz.
The Colts offense and Flacco specifically has been really, really,
really bad against the Blitz this year. So I think
the Vikings jump out here. Wouldn't be surprised if the
Colts end up covering, But I think this is a
good spot for the Vikings in the first half.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
You know, one interesting game is you know that Rams performance.
I mean, they're just a different team when they have
the two receivers and their defense, I mean, Jared Versus
is really coming on. They're just like every year, I feel,
just solid and well coached. As the season goes on,
that line flipped right now it's Seattle at home getting

(01:11:20):
one and a half. If you are a believer that
this RAMS team is coming and you look at their schedule,
it's not crazy to look up and they're six and four,
but it's like it's just too good to be true,
or Seattle just you know, are they seriously leaking oil?
Even what's his name, Mike McDonald, They asked about Halloween.
He said, I dressed up for Bill Belichick one time

(01:11:40):
for Halloween, but he probably wouldn't like that given how
our defense is played. And you know, this game used
to be it was weird the NFC West matchups back
when they had you know, Pete, Kyle, Sean and and
Cliff would all have these like intermix pretty cool little
riot like one team on the other team but this
team on that team. And I don't know if you

(01:12:01):
kind of throw that out the window now, but this
is a spot that I would say historically I would
feel kind of good about Pete in that team, but
I don't know right now. Seattle was, you know, the
apple of everyone's eye early in the season, but they
clearly are leaking oil in the in the Rams also,
like Minnesota coming off that little mini by are healthy
now and it's crazy you just kind of forget because

(01:12:24):
he's out of side, out of mind. How fucking good
Pooka nakoup is. I mean, he is a he's a
baller and he just changes their team.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, this is Yeah, you're right, there was. I used
to call it the circle of life. In the NFC West,
the Rams owned the Cardinals, who owned the forty nine ers.
Cardinals used to always they did it again this year
own the Rams, and the Rams also owned the Seahawks,

(01:12:52):
who also for a long time owned the forty nine ers,
and like it was just all this circle of life
in the NFC West, but that was me. I think
that could change now because I'll be interest from a
schematic perspective. I'm really looking forward to seeing McVeigh extra

(01:13:12):
time of Riverrier versus McDonald. One of the reasons the
Rams just owned the Seahawks is the Rams and mcdagh
just cracked that outdated pete defense and it's a completely
different defense now, much more modern defense. McVeigh talked a
lot in the offseason about McDonald in this matchup, so

(01:13:35):
I'm curious to see what he has up his sleeve,
and I'm curious to see what McDonald has up his
sleep Seattle. This like this is a good on paper,
it's a good bounce back spot for Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
They were and these guys and these guys played them
like you know that those divisions crossover last year. So
like Kyle had played McDonald McVeigh, they played that epic
game where Stafford was incredible, but they ended up sucking
up the special teams right in the lost and overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah, so yeah, I'm very I'm very fascinated to watch this,
Like the x's and o's of this game, but just
on paper, it's like a great by low spot on Seattle.
They were thoroughly embarrassed last week. Every phase of the game.
They had defenders fighting each other on the sideline, they
had Gino.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Getting They calmed down though and made up. They did
five minutes after that. Yeah, but it was just a
mess like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
The game just slipped away from them. I mean they
were on the goal line twice. Gino slips on fourth
and goal trips on the center's foot. They have a
snap over their Gino's head on the other time. So
the game could have went a little differently, but they
were just bad all around. Now I expect their defense
to be better. They got their top cornerback last week,

(01:14:43):
Trey Brown. I don't know if he lost his job
or if he's just not healthy, but he could be back.
Their other corner got a good nickel, you know. They
added Ernest Jones at linebacker. They're getting healthier up front,
so I think that their defense is going to start
the trend back up. They were just crushed by injuries.
Now it's very difficult to stop this Rams offense, but
just on paper, you would expect a bounce back from Seattle. Here.

(01:15:05):
The key for me, And look, the Bills were just
laying three in Seattle and the market knew Metcalf wasn't
gonna play. And now we're getting up to like Rams
minus two. Like that's the Bills are more than a point,
and they're probably in market. They're probably like three to
four points better than than the Rams. So we're getting

(01:15:27):
and you might get Metcalf back. For me, that's the
key from me. I'll bet the Seahawks is a dog
plus one and a half plus two. If I know
Metcalf is gonna play now, is gonna be one hundred percent.
That's the tricky bar. The Seahawks need Metcalf. Not only
I think he has the most or second most twenty
plus yard catches on the season, so he adds that
explosive element, but he also takes the top off the defense,

(01:15:52):
clears everything up underneath, and opens up the entire offense.
Without him, then he don't really have that explosive element.
The guys have to, you know, trying to fill that
number one role, and then your freeze is way down
and the whole offense is just a lost operation. So

(01:16:13):
I have to wait on the on the Metcalf news.
If Metcalf doesn't play, it's hard for me to see
Seattle keeping up. So just on principle I would I
would stay away, but you did. Seattle also could get
George Fan back at right tackle. I don't think Lucas
is ready, even though his window opened off the ir
Their right tackle position has been a disaster. They're down

(01:16:33):
to like their fourth string right now. So getting Fan
at least will help put a band aid there for now.
So yeah, I think this is a good bilow Cell
high spot on Seattle, just philosophically, and but for me
it comes down to Metcalf neymore.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
That's that to me is the other game is like,
you know, everyone's kind of riding high Arizona. Everyone's down
on Chicago because the last play.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
The thing with Arizona, two of their four wins at
least I know off the top of my head right
have been double digits in the second half comebacks. And
they went by one and the Charger game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And one, and they probably should have lost all there.
They down my double digits to the forty nine Ers.
The kicker gets hurt down double digits to the Dolphins,
who snap it over their head for a safety when
they were in control of that game. Flips the whole
game against the Chargers, the Charge They've recovered all three
key fumbles in that game, come back to win. You know,

(01:17:33):
even have like a fumble through the end zone that
was a touchback. The Chargers had one. They've been games
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Third and ten when they drove to win the game
and they got that personal foul call. That was pretty iffy.
You know that they that easily could have been a
turnover on down situation because they don't complete that all
of a sudden, it's just the game's over. But I
am fascinated. Like the Bears, their coaching staff is struggling, right,
I mean, you watch Shane Waldron. It's bad clearly that

(01:18:01):
you know, the last couple of moments. You know, the
last moment, is it ebra Flus's fault, that Stevenson's you
know taunting? No, but clearly like is he doing that
against a high end coach like that would just never
be tolerated. But it's the play before where they just
gave up fifteen yards and put them into position. Even
Belichick's talked about that, like mccordy talked about that on

(01:18:23):
the Sunday night game. He's like, that was a big
deal with us. We would play defense on that one
to not allow those free ten to fifteen yards to
give them an opportunity. You got to take that away.
What are they gonna do score a touchdown from seventy yards?
Probably not, so you can be a little aggressive. But
I don't know. Like to me, Chicago, I just don't
have much trust now yesterday, as of Wednesday, Sweat didn't

(01:18:45):
practice and he looked awesome in that game. Maybe it's
just a rest date for a veteran guy. But if
if there is some injury issue there that that'd be
a little scary. I don't know, man, I just this
is to me, there are seasons kind of on the line.
If you're the Bears, when you look at their schedule,
if they want to compete for a wildcard spot, they
were to lose this game, Like I'm sorry, you're not
sniffing the playoffs. You win this game, you record, you know,

(01:19:06):
you have a couple upsets in your division. You know
you could get the nine or ten wins, but you
you lose this. I do think with the coaching staff
it could kind of unravel on them a little bit.
I don't really have a take like I would lean Arizona,
but that is like do I trust them? I mean,
is stay away? I just want to watch this game.
I just I think there's a massive spot for the
Bears to kind of show like do you guys have

(01:19:27):
any metal to you? Do you have any fucking like
are you guys gonna bounce back? Or is just this
that that one play by Jaden going to derail your season?
Because I do think that is that's a possibility here.
They just all of a sudden, we're like, wait, the
Bears end up going seven to ten with that much talent?

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah, They're coaching staff sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah. And you mentioned the division's toughest division in the NFL, Well,
they haven't played the divisional game. They have all six
division games least where you mentioned the coaching All of
those teams have elite coaching staff, so they're going to
be a major disadvant there. They also go to Sant
Fran and they play Seattle. So these next two weeks

(01:20:07):
they need they're at Arizona, they're home against New England
because after that it's your six division games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I'm either giving them the I'm giving them the New
England win, I'll just give them that at home. To me,
this is like after losing that game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, like assuming that they beat New England. You need both.
You need to get to what they're four and three now.
They need to get to six and three here because
if they're five and four after the New England game,
you know, assuming they win that, I don't think they
can get there with their schedule. Yeah, this it's an

(01:20:42):
I don't know. I mean, Arizona's a hard team to
figure out. They're just like kind of like a gnat
that doesn't go away series team. Yeah, they've definitely been fortunate.
I will say they started using Harrison well, they opt
in last week. They started they changed like they altered

(01:21:02):
his routes, like instead of just having him run go routes,
they were you know, put him around the middle of
the field and crossers and that really helped their offense
and helped him get more invob Yeah. I just don't
know where the I mean the Bears to think that.
The other thing that they did, I don't know why
teams don't do. They had Edwards their linebacker. He looked

(01:21:24):
like he was either spying or he was guarding the
running back in man, and he wasted the waste and
you didn't bl blitz the hail Mary, bring pressure or
drop eleven guys, because if you just are bringing two
or three, which you see, the offensive lineman can wash

(01:21:46):
them out and the quarterback can buy as much time
as he possibly wants. So if you're not going to
bring pressure and never spy, I mean they go back
to that Auburn Alabama game, never spy. But if you
don't want to bring pressure, you you're wasting all your guys.
Then drop eleven, bring in three other wide receivers instead
of your defensive lineman and put them all back there

(01:22:08):
because you're just waste. You'd wasted poor guys. And then
you have another guy taunting the crowd. So you basically
were playing uh and you're supposed to have another guy.
You're supposed to have a defender that goes back behind
what was his receiver was, Yeah, it was supposed to
be him. He supposed to hint guard. The best part
is he came and tipped it after tauning, and he
tips it right to the receiver. I mean, I've never

(01:22:28):
seen karma work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
My theory was by the time he looked and they're
bee lined down the field. He then was discombobulated and
he kind of freaks because he feels like he's just
way late. He clearly didn't think the ball had been
snapped yet, even though the Bears fans are all pointing
like bro and that threw him off, which obviously led
to him tipping it up. And he's supposed to be

(01:22:52):
back there to either box him out or tip the
ball down, and he's nowhere to be found. But like
you said, they have the line in the middle. To me,
aren't you better off if you're not gonna play a
normal defense because you wouldn't because you'd have everyone cheating.
You can still play a normal defense with four or
five guys rushing the passer and then the six guys

(01:23:13):
back up against the line and behind the line right,
But like you said, with a mobile quarterback to rush
a couple guys like that's shooting fish in a barrel.
For Jaden was like running around, no problem. They didn't
even get close to them. It makes no sense. Yeah,
I mean none. We have enough evidence now, even if
it is a very very low percentage play, it takes

(01:23:34):
a guy to screw up, and it's still really hard.
You have to get obviously very lucky. It is moronic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Football absolutely asked nine, this is yeah. I don't have
a strong feel in the game. Injury report for the
Bears is big. They've been missing Brisker and Gordon and
their secondary day matters Sweat. You mentioned he matters, So
you could be down three key defenders. Then their offensive
line really banged up last week. Their whole left side

(01:24:00):
to their offensive line, Jenkins and Jones were hurt last week. Uh,
they're questionable. Their backup left tackle and left guard are
hurt as well. So yeah, they could be down their
entire left side and some depth pieces of their offensive line. Sweat,
who is very important to that defense. And then can

(01:24:21):
they get Bursker and Gordon back to boost that secondary
so and just wear that mentally, that's a question I
can't answer, Like after that game, do they rally that's afflated?
I don't know. Do they do they discipline Stevenson too,
I don't I don't know, Like do they bench them
for a half or does find them. I doubt you

(01:24:43):
can afford to, especially if you're without Persker and Gordon,
But there's got to be some accountability just if you're
running a team for like he was even taunting the
crowd on the play before on that out route, and
I completely agree that you got to take that away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Then he was he was poking McLaurin in the eye
like he was kind of out of the game. I mean,
my take, my take was obviously ebra Flus, he's one
of the I mean, he's a good player, right, you
want him on the field. If you're ebra Flus, you're
just so focused on trying to win these games to
keep your to keep your gig. If you're Ryan Poles
and clearly not going anywhere, and it's about setting the tone.

(01:25:21):
I mean, a lot of these guys are going to
be on the team for the next couple of years
moving forward, Like you make him an act of this game,
like you said, the tone like that will never be
tolerated here, which you know, a guy trying to win
on a on a on a weekly basis, like he
wouldn't be If I was eber Flus, I wouldn't want
I just say listen, we'll talk to him. He starts.
But if I'm Ryan Poles, like I have to show

(01:25:41):
sweat Swift playing his ass off, like I have to
show those guys like, listen, guys, that is that is unexcepted.
We were in a position to win because you guys
never quit. And this guy's fucking around like that. That
is not okay. You could argue that stuff, the Richardson stuff.
He's so he's two, he's never played. It was embarrassing.

(01:26:02):
But I don't even think he knows what's going on.
Like this guy knows what he's doing and he's a
really good player. Like if I'm Ryan Poles, he just
doesn't play this week, and like it's a big picture thing.
But I would imagine that would be an ebra Flus
would argue till you know, he's blue in the face
all week. They're like, no, we need this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Yeah. Definitely misaligned incentives between the two. So but yeah,
it's just unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Uh, let's just hit on the one. I mean the
massive college game. If you just go on the universal
look at this season, really good teams playing other really
good teams at home as a dog Oregon one, Bama one,
Tennessee one. So you're getting Penn State now as of

(01:26:48):
right now, their quarterback who knows what's gonna happen there,
But the backup bo actually kind of looked okay, added
a you know, a more athletic element, I would say
than Drew Aller, who's not a bad athlete. But I
wouldn't really call him. All my friends from Philly and
you know you're from there too, we like this guy's
the next Josh Allen. You watched him like, I wouldn't
go that far. You know, from a movement standpoint, he

(01:27:10):
definitely can move around a little bit, and he did
in that USC game to extend some plays, but I
wouldn't say he threatens you with his legs. Penn State
getting the field goal. Plus you talk about offensive line
and shambles, I mean Ohio State's offensive line is I mean,
what are they on their third tackle right and they
they got to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Kick out your left guard to left tackle and everything.
The right side is already a major question mark, and
last week because of that there, they couldn't run the ball.
Run game evaporated. Nebraska dominated them up front, and the
same thing could happen with Penn State, although one of
their better edge rushers is highly questionable for this game.
A lot of injury and certainty for this game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
But say pretty deep defensively, I mean that's I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Mean, they saw they saw off dudes, they should still
win the battle up front and and caused some problems
for Ohio State. Who yeah, they just they just haven't
looked a part this year when they've stepped up in class.
There's the Penn State offense, though leaves a lot to

(01:28:12):
be desired, and there's a question like the complosiveness in there.
The receivers. Big game James, he never wins these games,
and he's I think he's one to nine against Ohio State.
Although Ryan Day has not fared well in top five
games recently. I think he's like one in six since
past seven. Yeah, it's so yeah, this game's hard for

(01:28:34):
me to crack. Then you have the quarterback on certainty.
The thing is is that there is such there's so
much value to like the quarterback up, having quarterback optionality
and leveraging it in big games like Texas A and M.
Did Texas A and M when against LSULC, what'sn't prepared
for it? Marcel read By the way, going back to
that game he started against Florida, Florida hadn't really seen him.

(01:28:55):
He looked great. But the next week's against Bowling Green
and Arkansas, they were expecting him, didn't look as so hot.
Saw that with Penn State, Wisconsin wasn't ready for him,
and then the offensive change, he might actually fit like
what total Nikki wants to do more with his legs.
But Aler is definitely way more talented and pen and

(01:29:18):
Ohio State will be prepared for bow So I don't know.
And then if Aler goes, is he fully healthy. There's
a lot of uncertainty here. But Penn State also at
the right tackle is questionable?

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Is in this game given that they've already they've already
lost the game. And then if you were to lose
that in the championship game, I guess you wouldn't even
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Right, It's gonna be Penn State, which would.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Be better, right because you would avoid that third loss
if you're Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Yeah, but I mean depending on what happens elsewhere, Like
maybe Ohio State gets left out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
You know, because the committee loves them, they.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Do, but like that depends on what, like does Indiana, Well,
because Ohio State would would beat Indiana, you'd think, but
but maybe not. But I'm saying if they were to
get the ten and two, they would beat Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
But you'll have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, that would be their they would finally get a
ranked win because Ohio State's wins this year Nebraska by four.
You know, they'd beat Iowa, Michigan State, Marshall, Western Michigan,
and Akron. Like they don't have any good wins as
of right now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
They play the Michigan game, the Michigan game won't be
a good win.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Yeah, they played Perdue, Northwestern Michigan, and then that Indiana game.
As long as Indiana keeps winning, that'll finally be their
resume win. So you're right. I mean, if they beat Indiana,
maybe it's better that they don't go to the Big
Ten saddle because they What will happen is Penn State
and Oregon will have the head to head tiebreaker over them.
And Penn State is not losing two more times. And

(01:30:51):
I shouldn't say they're not, but y highly unlikely. When
State's remaining schedules Washington at home, Purdue at Minnesota, Maryland,
So yeah, they're most likely out of the Big Ten
title picture they lose this game. The hard game for me,
the crack, But you're right, Like there's just no elite
teams this year. The parody at the top is extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
So, which is cool to me for the twelfe A team.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
That's why you need the twelve teen playoff with the
NIL like it is. It marries up well with the
NIL changing landscape, with the transfer portal, It's going to
kind of disperse the talent. These elite teams aren't gonna
be as deep or as the lead as we've seen
in the past, and Kirby Smart's talked about this as well.
So because of that, Like it's say, if we were
back in the BCS system right now, if the season

(01:31:36):
ended today, I think the national championship would be Oregon
Penn State. Like, would anyone be satisfied with that Oregon
Penn State?

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
So you need an expanded field for this because there's
gonna be a number, a handful of teams that are
capable of winning the national title. There's also going to
be higher upset potential because there's just not as big
a separation between these teams in the top twenty five.
So gott my ahead. Ye, I'm taking the points of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
When do they go to when do they go to
neutral sites? Is the final four they go to neutral
sites in the first rounds their.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Home games the first rounds home games on the higher seed,
and then.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
The top four get the top four get a bye.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
If you win your conference, top four get a bye,
and then it's neutral sites after.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
That any other college games that you're hot on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Let's look, I actually played Michigan for the first time
this season against Oregon. I look the one I played
Oregon last week against Illinois, and Oregon is twenty one
point favorite at home against Illinois. Michigan a couple weeks
before they lost Illinois, but they were close six point
favorites at Illinois. That assumes they're over a touchdown better.

(01:32:52):
Home field difference is about a touchdown. So like, if
you look at Oregon's at home against Illinois, lank twenty
one Michigan's at home. Now, like, this is assuming that
Illinois and Michigan are equal. This line, I don't agree.
And the reason I played orgon last week is Illinois
did not match up well them. Illinois cannot run the ball.
The strength of the Oregon defenses in their secondary Oregons

(01:33:15):
run defensive metrics like they're outside the top one hundred.
A number of metrics. Part of that is genty. But
Purdue was able to run all over them. Michigan could
shorten this game, run the ball, limited possessions, and I
think they can stay within the summer. The other thing,
Oregon has no incentive to run this up, and we've

(01:33:35):
seen it every week. Oregon gets a big lead and
they shut it down. It's like, stay healthy. They're already
in the playoff. I mean they're like they shouldna say
they're already in, but basically they're already in. They've already
be don't have to state. Their remaining schedule is Wisconsin,
Maryland and then Washington at home. I mean they can
afford two losses.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I think that that boyse he wins also aged pretty well,
right boys, he probably be a playoff team, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Their run defenses is suspect. The Michigan stil is a
really good day. The Oregon offense still lacks some explosiveness.
So this is all out max effort for Michigan. I
think they can stay in this number or get it
like a backdoor late because Oregon really does. They just
don't care in the second half. The scariest one, how

(01:34:22):
about a team that hasn't covered all year versus a
team that is covered every week. Air Force catching over
three touchdowns against Army.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
I have to take this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
I mean, if you look historically, Service Academy is catching
over three touchdowns, are like seventy percent against the spread.
Just silly. And they they know each other very well.
They know how to defend the triple option. There's limited possessions.
The games go so fast, it's so hard to cover
as a big favorite, but they practice against a triple
option every single week. Last year, in this exact spot,

(01:34:59):
the roles were reversed. Air Force was undefeated and ranked.
They were seven to zero and they were playing an
Army team that was two and five that just lost
a UMass at home. The game was in air Force.
Air Force was a twenty point favorite and got their

(01:35:19):
doors blown off. I think they lost by twenty five.
Now you have an air Force team that's really bad.
They've only won one game, taking on an air Force
team that's undefeated, ranked, and the roles are completely reversed.
Air Forced had this game circled. They've also their quarterback

(01:35:40):
plays been so bad. But they have these two more
mobile kids that are sophomores that they went to for
one game and the offense looked much better. They got hurt,
but they should be back this week, and that's what
they're gonna go with, and it just adds juice to
their their triple option attack. So yeah, I just I
Service Academy laying over twenty one against another service academy

(01:36:03):
is crazy. This line is forty two points different than
what it was last year, same time, which is insane
to think about. But I have to take it. I
think there's all a Service Academy has only been favored
by over twenty one against another service academy one time
in the past twenty years of his I think in
like twenty that really good Navy team like ten years
ago and they beat Army by like three or four.

(01:36:27):
I have to take a Service Academy catching up with
three touchdowns against another one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Okay, I like, it's uh, it's Hammer Air Force and
go go America.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Thanks Dougy, you're the man.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Hi bro, have a good week weekend. I'll see you
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
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