November 1, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin hands out his Blazing 5 picks for Week 9 of the NFL season. Chase Daniel stops by to talk about the football weekend to come and discuss the play of Justin Herbert. Plus, calling for an upset this weekend in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's a Friday. It's hour two. I'm
making dinner reservations. I'm all fired up. Friday night's off
a little pasta tonight. Let's have some fun.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Are you getting after it in a neighborhood I'm aware
of or no, because I might be in that area tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
No, I don't divulge my sea got last night. You
were out there.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I was living it up.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You know, LA loved a good block party on Halloween.
It's Halloween's really fun Outnue in La. You know it's nice.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know what I was doing last night, cigar? Nope,
total clarity.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No celebrating the Jets in streets.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Let's go Carol Wilson in the streets.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, Hey, I was standing on business.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Okay. I like these picks.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I usually like my picks, but sometimes I really like
my picks. That doesn't mean anything, but uh, last couple
of weeks, I think I've been better. We had the
Jets last night on DraftKings.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins Blazon. Fuck
Cowboys hit Falcons.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I like Dallas plus three. I think they're gonna win
straight out. Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a must win, and they've actually been a better
road team than a home team this year. The Falcons
six of their eight wins have come by one possession.
Their defense six sacks. Dak Prescott's gonna sit in the
pocket with time to throw. The Falcons defense this year
on third down terrible, quarterback hits, sacks, terrible. A comfortable
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Dak said this a couple of weeks ago, and Seattle
beat him a comfortable quarterback against Atlanta. I'm going to
take the Cowboys here, twenty eight to twenty seven in
a fun game. Commanders and Giants. You know I love
the number four. I'm gonna take Commanders minus four. They
outplayed the Bears. It should never have been that close.
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They lead the NFL in points per drive. That's a
key gambling stat. Their defense, I don't think they have
great personnel, but dan Quinn's got them playing like a
top ten unit. The Giants a bad team, are on
short rest. They're zero to four at home. Daniel Jones
has not thrown a touchdown pass since his great left
tackle was out for the season. Their defense now is
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on the field too much because the Giants offense is
so bad, so their defense is wearing down. This is
a bad football team. The Commanders offensively since Week two
have been money. I think they win straight out twenty
eight to twenty points. Broncos and Ravens. I generally do
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not like big favorites. I love Baltimore here, especially off
a loss. They're in a bad mood, and the Ravens
at Homer Money. They're five wins have come by an
average of nine point six points. Lamar's six straight games
of one hundred plus passer rating. Derrick Henry leads the
NFL in rushing. I know what the Ravens are and
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their weakness the back end. I don't think the Broncos
will exploit bo Nicks on the road as a rookie
quarterback has a sixty eight passer rating and completing barely
above sixty percent. They've got notable injuries to their right tackle.
Their wins have come against the Jets and the Raiders,
and the Saints and the Panthers. I think this is
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a get right game for the Ravens. They cover the spread,
they win thirty three to twenty three, and I don't
think it will feeld that close.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Lionsid Packers.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I get green Bay at home plus points. Jared Goffs
banged up a little. I'm gonna take the Packers here
plus two and a half. Matt Lafleur is a great coach,
not a good one. They've won six of their last
seven games. They're averaging over twenty eight points. You know
what Jordan Love or Malie willis. The offense is moving
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and they're a very aggressive green Bay team. They're second
in the NFL in big plays offensively. They lead the
NFL in takeaways defensively. This is a very unique green
Bay team. They're well coached, they're hyper aggressive on both sides,
and aggressive teams can beat the Lions, who are banged
up a little bit. All twelve different players this week
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on the injury report. They don't have Javison Williams over
the top to burn green Bay secondary.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I just think in a division.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Rivalry game, Green Bay at home, better coach getting the points.
Titans Conn got some rush yards on Detroit last week.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Be careful.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I'm gonna take the Packers to win. It an upset
kind of, but I don't really feel like it's an
NFL upset when the Packers win home with a better coach.
Twenty eight twenty seven, take the points. Rams at Seahawks.
I like the Rams, great coach with extra rest. These
Thursday games are in advantage. The following week they beat
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the Vikings on Thursday extra rest. The Rams are one
of the better teams in the league when they're healthy.
When Stafford and Puka and Cup and Kyen Williams play,
they're seven to three. They're the second least penalized team
in the league. The Rams are a really good team
with a young defense, but because they started slowly, people
bailed on them. Seattle's lost four out of their last
five games. They've got all sorts of injuries. Tyler Lockett,
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no dk Metcalf offensive lineman Seattle in the last five games,
they're one in four. They have a defensive coach, they
can't get their offensive line or they're running game right,
this is a division rivalry game.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I get a big edge.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
At quarterback, a big edge at head coach, and right now,
a big edge in health. The ram are finally the
healthier team in the game. That hasn't happened all season.
Rams win lay the one point twenty seven to twenty
three Los Angeles. Jamack, you gave me a weird eye
on that Cowboy game. I know it's a little bit
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of a flyer.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I can't give away everything, but we'll talk about it
in the final hour. Falcons Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Did you see the Puka Nakoua thing yesterday? I think
he's gonna play. He had limited preppice.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
If anybody's gonna have inside info would be you. I
like that. And also, hey, Lamar Jackson, uh sick Wednesday
and knee injury Thursday. Hasn't practiced this week.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Remember when I said.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
We're back up there. I don't even know remember gone.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Remember when Deebo was in the hospital on Monday and
I said, young professional athletes with excellent medical care get
healthy very fast. Lamar practiced today. If you think the
sniffles is gonna keep Lamar Jackson out of a football game,
I'm telling you right now. Michael Jordan had a flu
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game and we know it was probably the Gray Goose.
I'm with you, okay, although wasn't invented at that time.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We got to make sure Lamar is starting before fireing.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
He practiced today, he did, Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Good, all clear?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Got it. It'll be up to ten in a minute.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I and I believe Pooka will play Let's bring
in our buddy fourteen seasons in the NFL Chase Daniel
on that show Facility before us.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I got it right.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You played for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven. Yeah,
that's it. So it's interesting. I watched the moment in
the Jets game last night. So all these teams you
see the Jets did at the Ravens, did at the Bills?
Did it Kansas City? Did they bring in a good quarter,
a good player?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And I thought last night it wasn't just a play
to Davante Adams. I'm like, I'm not sure they could
have done that a week ago. That So you tell
me when you were there and you would bring in
a very good player. It's hard within three days of practice,
like I thought, Davonte and Aaron had a couple of big,
big and kind of one of those body would you
look at him?
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Oh yeah, I mean that's exactly That's exactly what happened. Like,
I don't care if you've played with DeVante your entire career.
You are in a new system and a new offense
in a new place, and you go and I did
see that that was exactly right. It was like a
little head nod. And then we were with James Jones
on the facility this morning. He's like, it, actually the
play is called gap. He just pointed to his seat.
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He's like, we did that in twenty fourteen with Aaron
Rodgers when I was there. So it really hasn't changed
a lot. I just wanted to see DeVante go out
there and be the DeVante Adams that we all thought
he was, but he hasn't been able to show it right.
And I think with that it also opened up for
Garrett Wilson, who had two touchdowns right and ninety one
yards receiving along with that, and it's just like, that's
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what Jets fans hope this offense could be.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I'm not convinced it can be that way. I think
they have.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Bigger issues, but it was good to see those two
guys get on the same base.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, they have some systemic coaching stuff and infrastructure stuff
I don't trust. But the teams they need to be
to get to the wild card. The Miamis and the
Jacksonvilles and the Colts and the Texans, they're all in
front of them, and they play most of them at home.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So they got a shot. Yep, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So I in your era, not to make you sound
like Dan Fouts, but in.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
My old but that old day Mac.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But in your era, you didn't have the personal coaching,
the seven on seven camps. You played high school college
and then you went yep okay, And so I am
much less willing to just say, let's give a guy
three years. So I said this yesterday. If you dated
a woman for six months, it got worse every month.
It's not overreacting, it's hey, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I'm watching Anthony Richardson. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like the old line, I love the running back,
I like the receivers, I love the coach. It's getting worse. Yeah,
it doesn't feel like it's shortsighted to me.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
No, I think it's the right move.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I think it's specifically the right move, because the Colts
believe what you believe.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I know people in that building. I talked to them
quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's a good roster.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
It's a grew not great, it's a borderline great roster.
They feel like they are a lot closer than a
lot of people outside of the building.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Seam.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And the reason is.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Because, like with Anthony Richardson, the whole thing is you're
not winning because of him. In fact, I would even
go as far as saying you're losing because of him.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And so when you bring in Joe Flacco and let's
just focus on this game, right, The Colts Vikings game
this week got so much more interesting because of the
Texans loss to the Jets. This is a massive game
in the AFC South. It's there for the taking and
we've broke it down on tablet earlier.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
It's like that.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Vikings defense with Brian Floyes, right. What they do from
a quarterback perspective is they put you in a really
high stress environment from all the double a gap mug,
they're walked up, they're blitzing from the left, they're blitzing
from the right, they're dropping out they're dropping, they do
a lot of stuff, and so I don't know if
Anthony Richardson could have handled that. And so not only
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is it for the future, but Joe Flacco he hasn't
seen He's seen every single blitch you could possibly bring
in the entire NFL. It's not gonna surprise them. Now
are they gonna win?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
But if you're ad Nai Mitchell, if you are Michael
Pittman Junior, if you're Josh Downs, if you're Jonathan Taylor,
you are loving this move because Joe Flacco can throw
the ball deep and that's what they do well. I'm
seeing the Shane steike In offense throw the ball down
the field. Okay, Anthony Richardson is not a good deep
ball thrower, hence forty four percent completion rate by So
if you're those receivers, you're looking forward to Joe Flacco playing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So you know, you spent five seasons with Sean Payton
in New Orleans, and I said, going into the season,
I said, Listen, Caleb's got a defensive coach. Jaden's got
a defensive coach. Michael Pennix has a defensive coach. I said,
don't be surprised if Bo Nicks because if Peyton gets
off to a good start. Now, Jayden's has been remarkable,
but you tell me it. Clearly Bo has gotten better
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every couple of weeks. But you can see it. What's
the what's the magic potion, the elixir that Sean prabab.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Well, you look at Jayden Daniels, right, you look at
Cliff Kingsbury. What they're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
They're running a college style offense. Kayleb William's not been great,
you would say they're running a pro style offense.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
And then you go to bow Nicks.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I've seen Sean Payton change the offense a little bit
to help Bo Nicks with his progressions, with his growth.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Given them a little college.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah, there's a little college.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
And I like that because I've seen some plays that
is like almost like a delayed sprint out where Bo
Knicks is killing it on the run. I've never seen
that play in Sean Payton's offense. I've played with them
five years and usually it's a Sean Payton offensive old
where you're just looking at it and saying, all right,
just throw to this ball. And he's one of the
great offensive minds of all time in my opinion. But
with Bo, he's running the football better and he's getting
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more confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
With Bo as the season progresses, specifically when you play
the Panthers, you're gonna get confidence, right. But he's doing
such a good job in the pocket, subtle movements. I
don't want to say he reminds me of Drew Brees
in the pocket. Drew Brees, in my opinion, is one
of the best of all time maneuvering the pocket. He's able,
though bo Nix is, to slide left, to slide right,
those slight little movements. He's got a stronger arm than
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I think. He's more athletic than a lot of you
thinking move and I think that's the sort of the
secret sauce his decision making right with Davis Webb as
a quarterback coach. I was there in the off season
and I sat with him during training camp and stuff
like that, and I got to see Davis Webb coach
bo Nicks. It was it was like a mind of
Sean Payton. So that's why I hired him.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
I think that's the secret sauce right there in that
bo Nix conversation. But you were on it, and I
think you're right. It's it's the movement to get out
of certain situations where a lot of other quarterbacks will
just throw it away.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So something I look at, even in my blazing five picks.
When you give Sean McVay or Andy Reid or Shanahan
like they play Thursday, the following week they get four
extra days or they get a bye. There's no question
in my life that offensive coaches the good ones flu
or off a bye, you're just gonna get new stuff.
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Here's what worries me about the Bears. They come off
a bye against Washington first seven possessions, six punts, gad.
But they did nothing with the extra time. What does
that tell me about their prep? What they're are they
just limiting what they're giving Caleb.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, it's the play calling.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
If I'm being completely honest with you, the play calling
for me, and I gave it. And if this is harsh,
you might not. It was an F minus last game.
It was an F minus. It was so bad because
let's just take you through the first two games of
Caleb Williams's career as a pro. You try to put
him in a pro style offense under center play action. Sorry,
that's not what Caleb Williams does.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He is a.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Creator, He is a movement guy in space.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
So they even made mistake right out of the shoe.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Right out of the chute, right out of the chote,
and it's Shane Waldron. And then you go to the
next three games, really the next fourteen quarters, two and
a half games, he was excellent because they opened up
the offense. They put him in shotgun, they put him
in RPO's run pass option situations. They hey, you know what,
let's give them pure progression reads, which for viewers at home,
it's hey, start on the left.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Is he opened?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Yes, If not, go to the next guy, go do that.
It wasn't half field reads. And then you go on
by and you're playing well, you beat the Panthers and
the Jaguars. I get it, but you are the reason,
Caleb Williams, the reason they're winning those games.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And then you come against the Dan Quinn coach team.
What's their defense is great?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Right?
Speaker 6 (15:22):
And you play so poorly and you coach so poorly
the fifty minutes, first fifty minutes of that commander's game,
But then you turn it around the last ten and
you drive the football field or the drive the link
of the football field twice. You score a lot of
points the last two drives, and you're gonna win the game,
and we're talking about we're not talking about it, but
we would be talking about the toast of the town.
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In the Chicago Bears. If they're five and two, they
beat Jayden Daniels, they beat Dan Quinn on the road,
and then you give up a hell Mary. So, yes,
the play calling was awful, but I do think Caleb
the last ten minutes of the game, which I want
to see quarterbacks do, he carried them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, it's this is the way sports fans are.
They're great with emotion. They don't know what's contextualized stuff.
So if you don't win, you're a bum. I think
the best quarterback in the league that nobody gets yet
is Justin Herbert. If you watch the Chargers last week,
Mark Sanchez brought this on. There's nobody open like Will Disley,
who was a college defensive end.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Glad you brought it up.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I mean there's nobody open now.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lad McConkey is twitchy when he has the ball, yes,
but he's not a burner. He's not big, So fuck
if you get him like most slot guys, if you
get him in space, he'll make guys miss.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He'll make linebackers look slow. But he's not wide open.
That's not what he is.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So I think I think Herbert's so gifted, but I
think we all look and go, where are the doubles?
How do you view him as somebody that was in
this league for fourteen year? Yah?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean I played with him. I was on the
roster for two years.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
The thing about justin that a lot of people don't
understand is because we don't cover him a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I personally love him as a player, not only on
the field, but off the field as well. He's one
of the better leaders. He's one of the best teammates
I've ever been and quite honestly, he could care less
about stats. In fact, him and Harball mess together perfectly
because he don't care.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
He wants to win football.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
You saw him last game, the thirty eight yard run
down the right side.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
He lowered his shoulder. I'm like, justin get out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You were literally way too much.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Tell me, I'm like, what are you doing, bro? Get
out of bounds? But you saw him throw for three
hundred and forty six yards in a loss, and will
Disley is the leading ers.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I'm like Will Disley, I do too, but he's a husky,
but he was a defensive Then.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Will Disley like, what are we doing?
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Like they took away Keenan Allen, they took away Mike Williams.
Josh Palmer has not lived up.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Now getting this week, I will say they're Quentin Johnson's back,
and so is DJ DJ Shark.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
But and I love Lad McConkey coming out like that
was for me as soon as he got drafted, when
I was on draft covers and said he's going to
have one hundred catches.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
He's on pace for ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's take him a little bit of time volume into a.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
High volume guy. But Justin is doing things. And quite honestly,
when you play that good of defense, I think they've
allowed ten total touchdowns this year. When you're playing that
good on defense, you can afford to throw to Will Disley.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Okay, finally we said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We have a guy at Greg Cosell that looks at
film you've but doing it forty five years. And I said,
the Chiefs are so unique. Their offense isn't very good.
It's the but it's great in high leverage situation, no doubt,
which is usually most Many offenses in this league are good,
but in high leverage situations they get tight. The Chiefs
are the only team in the league that I don't
trust their offense unless it's fourth down against the great defense.
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So you played under Andy Reid? What does he spend
more time at practice on those?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I mean, look, everyone knows that Andy Reid is one
of the most innovative play colors of all time. And
he gets ideas from janitors. As he used to say,
he gets ideas from backup quarterbacks, YouTube, YouTube, anywhere he
can get it, he'll try it. And he loves player accountability.
These players are coming to him with these plays, third downs,
two minute situations, fourth downs. When games online, it helps
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that you have Patrick Mahomes, he's.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Pretty good as well.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
But when you're moving the all down the field like
that and you're still and you're still trying to find
ways to win, like they don't have a run game,
they're out there number one and number two receivers. I
don't think DeAndre Hopkins trade moves the needle that much.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, he doesn't. He's not a separate He's.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Great in the slot versus zone. And I watched this
literally before I came out. I watched the game against
the Raiders, and I'm sitting there thinking, like, Raiders, why
in the world would you play zone against this team?
Patrick Mahomes will each you up, play man to man,
get pressure on Patrick Mahomes. That's how you beat this team.
But then you'll do that Andydriill have some crazy man
beater that comes out of nowhere that he got from
the janitor.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So are you enjoying doing the facility?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Are you enjoying it?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I love it? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
You know what, when I told Acho that I was
going to do show, I said, I have one thing
that I want to do, and I want to actually
break down film on a morning show. They don't do
it a lot, but we actually get the breakdown film
calling on this big board. And when you know, when
we're always tossing to you and j mack over here,
it's good to see you. We're always talking in between,
like when you come out here fifteen minutes prior.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm glad. I'm glad we're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It finally, Jared Goff I said he's the least respected
quarterback in the league. And the problem being our first
image of him. They ask him where the sun rises
on hard knocks. His rookie year, he didn't know, and
the season was bad, and then and McVay moves off
and that's bad. And then they win with Stafford and
that's bad. But in five to six years, you're gonna
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look in the NFL record book and he's gonna be
like seventh and eighth in like half the league. And
I mean, to me, he is a He's Kirk Cousins
with a better arm. He's Matt Ryan with a better arm.
How do you view him? He's not very athletic. But
you know what he's never hurt is how he got
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Ragdall for three or four years.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He's never hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Look, I like Jared Goff a lot. I don't think
we talk about him enough. I think he's the main
reason why the Detroit Lions are one of the best teams,
if not the best teams in the NFC. And I
don't live giving stats a lot, but what he's doing
right now it's historic. The last five games, he is
eighty three percent completion percentage one hundred and fifty six rating. Okay,
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if he keeps on track for the sixth game this
week and averages eighty three, and it'll be the best
stretch in the history of the game for completion percentage
and passer rating. What he's doing is historic. Like we're
not talking about it enough. It helps that you have
Sonic and Knuckles, right, Jamior Gibbs and Davi Montgomery. It
helps that you have a knee biting head coach and
(21:23):
Dan Campbell, right, I know all that stuff. But another
man's trash is someone's treasure and with Detroit they got
the treasure and Jared Goff.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, And the other thing about it is a young
if you if you build a young culture.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
This is what I like about c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
C J.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Stroud appears to have no ego. Goff's got no ego,
Herbert's got no ego. For as big a star as
Lamar is, I don't see the ego.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I mean that's that's one of the things. That's why
I'm so tough during the quarterback drafting process. It's like
you're usually going to a bad team and they're gonna
build the culture around you. Most of these great young
quarterbacks you get no nonsense. And that's no nonsense guys.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We like those. We like those guys.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You can be nonsense a receiver and Mike lineback.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
You cannot at quarterback. There's no doubt about that. Thanks
for coming on the shoulder, Thanks for having me. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
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Speaker 1 (22:19):
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Speaker 2 (22:24):
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Speaker 3 (22:26):
Right. We're starting with one of your blazing fives. Is
Pooka Nikua setback. I don't know if you want to
call it that, but they look like a different team
last week against the Vikings. I saw some great numbers.
When they have Stafford Kiren Williams, Pooka and Cooper Cup
all healthy, they're at juggernaut.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
The only teams that beat them are Baltimore and Detroit
in overtime. Yep, they're an elite team when they got
their guys.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
But yesterday Pooka something happened to the knee, and they
say it's not serious. But he had to miss some
of yesterday's practice. He will be very closely watched today
to see if he's able to go.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I like him. This weekend. I did see Attle is
beat up offensively.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Lockett metcalf Fant, one of their offensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They're beat up.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I got some I don't know, maybe I'll save it
for the final hour. But there's some good stuff here
for the Rams. I'm with you. But without Pooka, it's
a different story.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
We saw Stafford without.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Him, he was He's their number one guy. Now it's
not Cup. If you watch them, Cup is the off
speed pitch.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Pooka is their number one target a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, is a great matchup, very exciting game, too smart coaches.
I hope Pooka is a go for fantasy purposes as well.
I know people care. Next story, you know, we got
to talk about this guy every day. Colin, your favorite
rookie quarterback Bo Knicks b next member Sean Payton. Oh
my goodness, what a streak they're on, winners of five
of the last six. Bo Nicks was named NFL Offensive
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Rookie of the Month.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Wow the month.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Put that on the fridge at home, baby, That is exciting.
Sean Payton went out on a limb after moving off
Russell Wilson to get Nicks. The rookie quarterback talked about
his relationship with baby week.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I give him the calls that I like, and you know,
he goes from there. He calls it how he sees it,
with the thought, you know, in the back of his mind,
he knows what I like. Always finding ways to get better,
you know, working together as play caller. And you know,
I'm also, you know, a rookie, So there's a time
to where you know, I don't have much sday and
there's not you know, much I you know, have to
offer in that regard. But you know I can just
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go out there and call whatever, run whatever he calls,
and just try to make it work. Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I think it's a pretty special relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
My man.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, the staff knows you like bo Nick. So we
got a nice little graphic here about what mix in October,
how he fared among other rookie quarterbacks. I mean, if
you want to guess, it's pretty damn good. First to
completion percentage, passing yards, TV interception udio, second in passer rating.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Sean Peyton assured me when we spoke confidentially that this
kid before Thanksgiving you'd start seeing the future. Yeah, I
haven't sourced. I'm not going to tell you who the
source is, but sp or the initials.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I love when somebody does a victory lap, but like
mile twenty three of the marathon, which is what you're
doing now, We'll see, we'll see. Maybe they get exact.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Maybe yeah, back down to earthier.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But I think listen, if you're Denver, you've been looking
for that you had to go buy. You know, if
you fell in love with Tbou you love Peyton, but
he was older. This feels like Peyton Knicks together. I
mean maybe he's one individually, you know, but together it
feels like the right fifth.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
There'll be an interesting offseason team because you know, remember
they had all that dead cap money with Russell Wilison.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
They still have some of it next year.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
If you have some of it next year, but they'll
be they'll have an opportunity to go out and get
some more help for bo Nicks. Maybe I don't think
Courtland Sutton's a one. You know, he's good, but he's
not a one.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He'll if not, he's the best two in the league.
It's like Michael Pittman. If he's not a one, he's
a great two.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, there's a decent crop of wide receivers in college football.
I wonder if Denver targets one because the defense is
in good shape. I think it's a line could use
some Morgans. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I think they'll go get enough their corner, and I
think they'll continue to shore up their own line.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Okay, Bronco's arrow pointing up final story Colin earlier today,
you love that Garrett Wilson touchdown catch. Let's look at
it again here on FS one Roger third and nineteen.
Garrett go up and get it with one hand. He
taps the left and then gets the shin down. That's
just incredible footwork and balance. Jets interim head coach Jeff
Obrich said it's one of the best catches he's ever
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seen and compared it to another historic catch made by
a New York Giant.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
I was talking to the raft when they were reviewing it.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
I'm like, just for the sake of posterity, you have
to you have to say that's in just so it
goes down in history. That's I mean, it would rival.
The Odell catch. You know, it was amazing. It was
close enough to definitely to challenge.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So it is.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Thankfully they got it right.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, No, I mean I thought I thought Aaron had
a very good second half. I thought the DeVante a
couple of big plays to Davonte.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Now he's got.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Four extra days of prep before Arizona. I'm not gonna
make a blazing five pick a week before, but Jets.
If the Jets are getting points at Arizona, they probably are.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, let's see what happens with Arizona Bears first.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
That is a way under now. Now, Packers Lions on
Fox is the best game. That is way under the radar.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I know you were clear eyed last night. It was
were you watching how Wilson and Adams had their way
with Stingley who you like? And then last under the
young kid, I mean you had no chance against the
Jets receiving. It becomes interesting, like how do you schematically
handle these two because honestly, I think they've got two
number one receivers.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Wilson's way are they are? They're both number one?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Adams is still a one.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yes, yes, here's my question. Bryce Hall's excellent Why aren't
they playing Allen Moore?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That's a good question.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I like you.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He looked good early in the season.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He's not a breakaway speed guy. He's a great compliment back.
They're not playing them a tome. I have no tight
end production at all.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, Conklin's okay, but it seems like they don't know
what they want to be. Early in the season, we
want to run the football, and now it's what we
got Davante. We want to pass the ball. I mean
they got the football to start the game, went three
and out, drop back, pass, drop back, pass, drop out,
and the sack on third down. It's like, I don't know, man,
I just don't think the Jets have an identity yet.
But it seems like maybe they want to be a
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pass happy team. Can that work with Rogers and that line?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, all I know is in the second half, I
thought they looked like a really good football team sparked
by a great play. But I don't think they'll ever
be a great football team. I predicted eight wins, nine wins.
That's exactly where they're going to end up. I really
believe it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, Cardinals and Colts next, they don't have secondaries that
scare you. Rogers should have it.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They gets Miami twice, the Jags, the Colts, the Seahawks,
the Ram, they get a lot of teams came home.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Miami Secondary is awful. I mean, Marvin Harrison torched him.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
It's all in front of you, just right here.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Just don't do this to me. All right, I'm not
doing anything, do you You get me hyped, You're getting
me excited.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm blaming you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I'm like Joel Osteen in sports. I am nothing but
cheer and good nature.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The mega guy.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yeah i am.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I'm I'm an agnostic version of Joel hosting. Okay, if
you took the religion out, just a positive influence in America.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Jay Mark with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I made a prediction a couple of weeks ago. It
may have felt a little hot, taky. I think it
could happen in three to four weeks already. That's next
Live in La.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
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Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sunday we got a huge NFL doubleheader on box first
Stack and the Cowboys take on the Falcons or other
regional action. Then it's America's Game of the week as
shared Goff leading the Lions against the Backers or ram Seahawks.
Check local listings for the games in your area Sunday
off lock.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, it's funny you look at that early window
A lot of times. I'll look at it and think, man,
there's not lot of good games, and then all of
a sudden, about two and a half hours into the
early window, you've got wild, wild finishes. I always feel
like the NFL gives you like six to seven really
good games a slate, and you only got like thirteen
fourteen games a week what is it, fourteen games a
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weekend or fifteen games college football, you have sixty games,
and you may get four great ones. I think Ohio
State Penn State. If that was in Columbus, I think
Ohio State would roll. I think at Penn State, that's
really interesting. I'll still take the Buckeyes to win it.
But that is what I think the NFL gives you stars.
It gives you urgency and you just get great, great games.
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Jay Mack and I do this every week. There will
be an upset sometime this weekend. My guess is Raiders
at the Bengals, those early windows, those are some of
the upsets. I think the Raiders beating I thought they
played pretty well against the Kansas City Chiefs. I think
the Raiders beating the Bengals feels like an upset to me.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And would Giant's over Washington be an upset? Divisional matchup?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
God, yes, you think that's that's one of them?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, no, no, I'm with you. I just think, you know,
these divisional matchups, they could be tough. Now it's a
short week for the Giants. I don't think how about this?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How about this? How about this shocker? Colts at the Vikings.
That would be a shocker. But you have no idea
what I mean. First of all, Chase Daniels admitted it.
The Colts personnel, I think, I think their roster is
better than Houston's by an inch.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Whoa healthy Houston.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
They're not healthy. They haven't been healthy for a month.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So at my take is it would it would not
shock me if the Colts with flaccos surprise the Vikings,
because what is what does Brian Flores Viking defensive coordinator.
Do he confuses young quarterbacks? Flacco see everything, so you're
not going to confuse Joe Flatch.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So I thought that, Remember that was part of my
handicap against Aaron Rodgers in London. I was like, oh,
Rogers has seen every defense, He's seen every blitz, three interceptions,
pick six, Like I going against flores A Toughen. He's
on a heater this season, he's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So there's a couple of combustible stories happening right now
in the NBA. Joe l Embiid is calling out Philadelphia fans.
Here's another one, according to an insider my five bold
NBA predictions, I said, I think Giannis is out of
Milwaukee after the season. A story today by CBS Sports
Bill Ryder is that teams are circling the Bucks and
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they know that the Bucks are listening, including the Miami Heat.
And so, by the way, pat Riley GM of the Heat,
big deal maker. They lost again last night under five
hundred with Doc Rivers. Dame was one in twelve. And
I also think, listen, you want a title with Kareem
then you made a deal and got a ton of
players and were relevant for a decade. You won a
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title with Giannis. This roster is old, it's unathletic. It
was old and unathletic two years ago. You are not
beating the Boston Celtics. You're not beating Indiana. If you're
old and unathletic, it's not happening. Is young and getting better.
So about the only other team that I worry about
their health is Philadelphia, and they may just implode. So
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and I think some fish are just too big for
the pond. I thought Shaq was too big for Orlando.
Kareem was too big for Milwaukee. I think Giannis feels
like now it's getting kind of petty. There's a little animosity.
The Drew Holiday Dame move felt a little desperate.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I think the the roster in Milwaukee needs a massive
influx of youth. Chris Middleton now constantly hurt. He had
a nice career, but he's banged up. He can't defend
the perimeter when he plays, so and they're just kind
of waiting for him to get healthy. So this is
this is an organization. They got the ring and then
they kind of fired Budenholzer very quickly, and they had
these great expectations, but you.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Know what, windows close very quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's why the Warriors when they went and got KD
I defended him is that, you know what, when when
the getting's good, add to it, don't hold your breath
and think it's gonna last forever. The Seahawks did that
very quickly. The Chiefs are going out and they're making
deals to get a d hop. They're making deals to
get players. That's the way to do it. So I
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think you can't you can't reverse this roster. There's no
fountain of youth other than a trade call. The Houston Rockets,
they've been losing for years. They've got an influx of
young players. Some of the young players aren't getting on
the floor enough. They want to play, but they're not
in the rotation. So I think Houston is a team
you look at and by the way, it doesn't mean
you're necessarily going to get bad. You've been knocked out
of the first round in the East the last couple
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of years, you are bad. Oksee and Boston rebuilt, did
a total rebuild and were like viable.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Think a rebuild in Milwaukee necessarily means you're bad. I
think you're going to get. You go back and look
at the Kareem trade. Gianness is what twenty nine to
thirty years old, You're going to get an absolute treasure
trove of picks and players. And here's the thing in
the NBA. Oklahoma City proved this is that when you
get young, if you hit on the draft picks, because
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the NBA season is so long and you have the
load management for a lot of these stars, really really
young teams that play hard and have good chemistry, you
could end up. You look up and you got thirty
eight forty wins in a rebuild. Oklahoma City. They hit
on draft picks, They had one star in SGA, They
had great chemistry, nice coaching, played hard every night. You
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look up and you're like, well, the four or five seed,
what's going on the bottom of the East is awful.
It's been awful forever. So I mean, if you're not
able to win first round playoff series, now what are
you giving up? I would make a move. And I
think the sooner you can get new blood into the building,
the better you got a title.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Not this thing. The dynasty ended very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You thought it. I thought it was going to be like, oh,
four or five. I mean, look at Denver. Denver's a
great example with Jokisch. I thought that thing was going
to be three titles in four years. Watch them right now,
they're rolling the dice on Westbrook. So tate when you
get it. If you get a ring, be happy with it.
Always look to improve. Dynasties don't last long, and teams
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get old very fast in pro sports. All right, we
had Chase Daniel on earlier. The game of the weekend
is the Detroit Lions. Speaking of Milwaukee, the Detroit Lions
at green Bay. Very rarely in the NFL do you
get a really good coach, a really good quarterback at
home and they're an underdog. It almost never happens. So
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that's why I like green Bay this weekend. It's a
very rare spot where Matt Lafluur can say we're the underdog,
We've got no respect. You just don't get that in
the NFL. Good home teams with star coaches and star
quarterbacks are almost never dogs at home. How often is Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City an underdog at home? Like never happens. So
I really like green Bay to play with their hair
and fair this weekend. But I think the story that
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is interesting is Detroit, and I think Jared Goff is
a fascinating story. I have made the argument that the
best Super Bowl for ratings would be the Detroit Lions
and the Buffalo Bills, two franchises. Buffalo especially, they've had
great quarterbacks and great players, and they just can't get
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over the hump. I think there's a sympathy for Buffalo
upstate New York. They have been well run for many
years here in a row. They just they want to
hoist a trophy. They can't get pasted. It feels a
little like Mickelson with Tiger in his prime. It's just
Micholson was great, but there was Tiger. It's like the
Utah Jazz with Jordan. Utah was great, there was Jordan.
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I kind of feel like I kind of feel like
Buffalo is great, but there's Mahomes. So I think if
Buffalo faced Detroit, they got a little Chicago Cubs feel
to him. And the Super Bowl is going to be
big regardless. But Goff is perfect for Detroit. Doubted kick
to the curb. We question if he has what it takes.
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I mean, he is such a perfect fit for a
franchise in a city that gets eye rolled, ignored, criticized.
So I mean, only Cleveland's gets more of that, But
you know, Cleveland's Cleveland. So I think Detroit, by the way,
my wife's from there, there's a lot to offer. It's
absolutely gorgeous, the art, the feud, the music. But Detroit's
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been kicked around for years, and Goff got kicked out
of Los Angeles. So I think he's a perfect fit.
And Chase Daniel earlier on why he's been the catalyst
of this whole reboot in the Motor City.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I think he's the main reason why the Detroit Lions
are one of the best teams, if not the best
teams in the NFC. And I don't live giving stats
a lot, but what he's doing right now it's historic.
The last five games he is eighty three percent completion
percentage one hundred and fifty six rating. Okay, if he
keeps on track for the sixth game this week and
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averages eighty three, and it'll be the best stretch in
the history of the game for completion percentage in passerrating.
What he's doing is historic, Like we're not talking about
it enough.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And it should be noted, Yes, he's got some nice things,
but Jamison Williams is deep threats not available this week.
He's been hot and cold. Like everybody else in the NFL.
They've had injuries. It's not perfect. They're also in the
best division in football, so you can say, well, he
has this, he has this, he has this. The truth
is that division head and shoulders above it. They have
not had an easy early schedule. They had they got
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the Rams when the Rams were healthy. So it's a
it's a team thirty three and a half points a game,
and if you look at their schedule Jmack, this is
what's interesting is there are a lot of ws on
this schedule. They have a real shot to be a
number one seed. So green Bay needs to get them
this weekend because then it's the Texans, the Jags, the Colts,
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the Bears.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They they've got you know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
My take is if San Francisco in Week seventeen has
a playoff spot, they may rest a Deebo Samuel and
a Christian McCaffrey for the playoffs. So if green Bay
does not get Detroit this weekend, they could go on
a month role in the mid thirties and scoring. There's
a lot of teams out there that are a little
wobbly right now after the Packers.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So I had to look it up just because you
mentioned it. Jordan Love is practicing for the second straight day.
That is good news.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, the groin injury.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
And some Packers fans are reminding me about what Jordan
Love did the last time he faced the Lions, which
I believe was Thanksgiving, kind of sort of lit him up, like,
I like your You're on the Packers here right?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think how many times has Lamar Mahomes or Alan
been a dog at home? Why are we not respecting
the Packers?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We got to respect Lafloor. I'm starting. I'm ready to
put him top four coaches.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Guy's really damn good. He is just I mean Malik Willis.
A year ago, I didn't think he could play at all,
No nobody did. He's undefeated and his numbers aren't that different.
He just runs more than Jordan Love. Albert Burr around
the corner. It is a Friday Amax picks guys future
so bright. He's got to wear shades over here.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's a Friday. It's hour two. I'm
making dinner reservations. I'm all fired up. Friday night's off
a little pasta tonight. Let's have some fun.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Are you getting after it in a neighborhood I'm aware
of or no, because I might be in that area tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
No, I don't divulge my sea got last night. You
were out there.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I was living it up.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You know, LA loved a good block party on Halloween.
It's Halloween's really fun Outnue in La. You know it's nice.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know what I was doing last night, cigar? Nope,
total clarity.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No celebrating the Jets in streets.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Let's go Carol Wilson in the streets.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, Hey, I was standing on business.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Okay. I like these picks.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I usually like my picks, but sometimes I really like
my picks. That doesn't mean anything, but uh, last couple
of weeks, I think I've been better. We had the
Jets last night on DraftKings.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins Blazon. Fuck
Cowboys hit Falcons.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I like Dallas plus three. I think they're gonna win
straight out. Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a must win, and they've actually been a better
road team than a home team this year. The Falcons
six of their eight wins have come by one possession.
Their defense six sacks. Dak Prescott's gonna sit in the
pocket with time to throw. The Falcons defense this year
on third down terrible, quarterback hits, sacks, terrible. A comfortable
(02:00):
Dak said this a couple of weeks ago, and Seattle
beat him a comfortable quarterback against Atlanta. I'm going to
take the Cowboys here, twenty eight to twenty seven in
a fun game. Commanders and Giants. You know I love
the number four. I'm gonna take Commanders minus four. They
outplayed the Bears. It should never have been that close.
(02:21):
They lead the NFL in points per drive. That's a
key gambling stat. Their defense, I don't think they have
great personnel, but dan Quinn's got them playing like a
top ten unit. The Giants a bad team, are on
short rest. They're zero to four at home. Daniel Jones
has not thrown a touchdown pass since his great left
tackle was out for the season. Their defense now is
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on the field too much because the Giants offense is
so bad, so their defense is wearing down. This is
a bad football team. The Commanders offensively since Week two
have been money. I think they win straight out twenty
eight to twenty points. Broncos and Ravens. I generally do
(03:04):
not like big favorites. I love Baltimore here, especially off
a loss. They're in a bad mood, and the Ravens
at Homer Money. They're five wins have come by an
average of nine point six points. Lamar's six straight games
of one hundred plus passer rating. Derrick Henry leads the
NFL in rushing. I know what the Ravens are and
(03:24):
their weakness the back end. I don't think the Broncos
will exploit bo Nicks on the road as a rookie
quarterback has a sixty eight passer rating and completing barely
above sixty percent. They've got notable injuries to their right tackle.
Their wins have come against the Jets and the Raiders,
and the Saints and the Panthers. I think this is
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a get right game for the Ravens. They cover the spread,
they win thirty three to twenty three, and I don't
think it will feeld that close.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Lionsid Packers.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I get green Bay at home plus points. Jared Goffs
banged up a little. I'm gonna take the Packers here
plus two and a half. Matt Lafleur is a great coach,
not a good one. They've won six of their last
seven games. They're averaging over twenty eight points. You know
what Jordan Love or Malie willis. The offense is moving
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and they're a very aggressive green Bay team. They're second
in the NFL in big plays offensively. They lead the
NFL in takeaways defensively. This is a very unique green
Bay team. They're well coached, they're hyper aggressive on both sides,
and aggressive teams can beat the Lions, who are banged
up a little bit. All twelve different players this week
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on the injury report. They don't have Javison Williams over
the top to burn green Bay secondary.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I just think in a division.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Rivalry game, Green Bay at home, better coach getting the points.
Titans Conn got some rush yards on Detroit last week.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Be careful.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I'm gonna take the Packers to win. It an upset
kind of, but I don't really feel like it's an
NFL upset when the Packers win home with a better coach.
Twenty eight twenty seven, take the points. Rams at Seahawks.
I like the Rams, great coach with extra rest. These
Thursday games are in advantage. The following week they beat
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the Vikings on Thursday extra rest. The Rams are one
of the better teams in the league when they're healthy.
When Stafford and Puka and Cup and Kyen Williams play,
they're seven to three. They're the second least penalized team
in the league. The Rams are a really good team
with a young defense, but because they started slowly, people
bailed on them. Seattle's lost four out of their last
five games. They've got all sorts of injuries. Tyler Lockett,
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no dk Metcalf offensive lineman Seattle in the last five games,
they're one in four. They have a defensive coach, they
can't get their offensive line or they're running game right,
this is a division rivalry game.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I get a big edge.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
At quarterback, a big edge at head coach, and right now,
a big edge in health. The ram are finally the
healthier team in the game. That hasn't happened all season.
Rams win lay the one point twenty seven to twenty
three Los Angeles. Jamack, you gave me a weird eye
on that Cowboy game. I know it's a little bit
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of a flyer.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I can't give away everything, but we'll talk about it
in the final hour. Falcons Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Did you see the Puka Nakoua thing yesterday? I think
he's gonna play. He had limited preppice.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
If anybody's gonna have inside info would be you. I
like that. And also, hey, Lamar Jackson, uh sick Wednesday
and knee injury Thursday. Hasn't practiced this week.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Remember when I said.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
We're back up there. I don't even know remember gone.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Remember when Deebo was in the hospital on Monday and
I said, young professional athletes with excellent medical care get
healthy very fast. Lamar practiced today. If you think the
sniffles is gonna keep Lamar Jackson out of a football game,
I'm telling you right now. Michael Jordan had a flu
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game and we know it was probably the Gray Goose.
I'm with you, okay, although wasn't invented at that time.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We got to make sure Lamar is starting before fireing.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
He practiced today, he did, Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Good, all clear?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Got it. It'll be up to ten in a minute.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I and I believe Pooka will play Let's bring
in our buddy fourteen seasons in the NFL Chase Daniel
on that show Facility before us.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I got it right.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You played for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven. Yeah,
that's it. So it's interesting. I watched the moment in
the Jets game last night. So all these teams you
see the Jets did at the Ravens, did at the Bills?
Did it Kansas City? Did they bring in a good quarter,
a good player?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And I thought last night it wasn't just a play
to Davante Adams. I'm like, I'm not sure they could
have done that a week ago. That So you tell
me when you were there and you would bring in
a very good player. It's hard within three days of practice,
like I thought, Davonte and Aaron had a couple of big,
big and kind of one of those body would you
look at him?
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Oh yeah, I mean that's exactly That's exactly what happened. Like,
I don't care if you've played with DeVante your entire career.
You are in a new system and a new offense
in a new place, and you go and I did
see that that was exactly right. It was like a
little head nod. And then we were with James Jones
on the facility this morning. He's like, it, actually the
play is called gap. He just pointed to his seat.
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He's like, we did that in twenty fourteen with Aaron
Rodgers when I was there. So it really hasn't changed
a lot. I just wanted to see DeVante go out
there and be the DeVante Adams that we all thought
he was, but he hasn't been able to show it right.
And I think with that it also opened up for
Garrett Wilson, who had two touchdowns right and ninety one
yards receiving along with that, and it's just like, that's
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what Jets fans hope this offense could be.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I'm not convinced it can be that way. I think
they have.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Bigger issues, but it was good to see those two
guys get on the same base.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, they have some systemic coaching stuff and infrastructure stuff
I don't trust. But the teams they need to be
to get to the wild card. The Miamis and the
Jacksonvilles and the Colts and the Texans, they're all in
front of them, and they play most of them at home.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So they got a shot. Yep, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So I in your era, not to make you sound
like Dan Fouts, but in.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
My old but that old day Mac.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But in your era, you didn't have the personal coaching,
the seven on seven camps. You played high school college
and then you went yep okay, And so I am
much less willing to just say, let's give a guy
three years. So I said this yesterday. If you dated
a woman for six months, it got worse every month.
It's not overreacting, it's hey, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I'm watching Anthony Richardson. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I like the old line, I love the running back,
I like the receivers, I love the coach. It's getting worse. Yeah,
it doesn't feel like it's shortsighted to me.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
No, I think it's the right move.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I think it's specifically the right move, because the Colts
believe what you believe.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I know people in that building. I talked to them
quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's a good roster.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
It's a grew not great, it's a borderline great roster.
They feel like they are a lot closer than a
lot of people outside of the building.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Seam.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
And the reason is.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Because, like with Anthony Richardson, the whole thing is you're
not winning because of him. In fact, I would even
go as far as saying you're losing because of him.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And so when you bring in Joe Flacco and let's
just focus on this game, right, The Colts Vikings game
this week got so much more interesting because of the
Texans loss to the Jets. This is a massive game
in the AFC South. It's there for the taking and
we've broke it down on tablet earlier.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
It's like that.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Vikings defense with Brian Floyes, right. What they do from
a quarterback perspective is they put you in a really
high stress environment from all the double a gap mug,
they're walked up, they're blitzing from the left, they're blitzing
from the right, they're dropping out they're dropping, they do
a lot of stuff, and so I don't know if
Anthony Richardson could have handled that. And so not only
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is it for the future, but Joe Flacco he hasn't
seen He's seen every single blitch you could possibly bring
in the entire NFL. It's not gonna surprise them. Now
are they gonna win?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
But if you're ad Nai Mitchell, if you are Michael
Pittman Junior, if you're Josh Downs, if you're Jonathan Taylor,
you are loving this move because Joe Flacco can throw
the ball deep and that's what they do well. I'm
seeing the Shane steike In offense throw the ball down
the field. Okay, Anthony Richardson is not a good deep
ball thrower, hence forty four percent completion rate by So
if you're those receivers, you're looking forward to Joe Flacco playing.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So you know, you spent five seasons with Sean Payton
in New Orleans, and I said, going into the season,
I said, Listen, Caleb's got a defensive coach. Jaden's got
a defensive coach. Michael Pennix has a defensive coach. I said,
don't be surprised if Bo Nicks because if Peyton gets
off to a good start. Now, Jayden's has been remarkable,
but you tell me it. Clearly Bo has gotten better
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every couple of weeks. But you can see it. What's
the what's the magic potion, the elixir that Sean prabab.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Well, you look at Jayden Daniels, right, you look at
Cliff Kingsbury. What they're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
They're running a college style offense. Kayleb William's not been great,
you would say they're running a pro style offense.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
And then you go to bow Nicks.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I've seen Sean Payton change the offense a little bit
to help Bo Nicks with his progressions, with his growth.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Given them a little college.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah, there's a little college.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
And I like that because I've seen some plays that
is like almost like a delayed sprint out where Bo
Knicks is killing it on the run. I've never seen
that play in Sean Payton's offense. I've played with them
five years and usually it's a Sean Payton offensive old
where you're just looking at it and saying, all right,
just throw to this ball. And he's one of the
great offensive minds of all time in my opinion. But
with Bo, he's running the football better and he's getting
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more confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
That's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
With Bo as the season progresses, specifically when you play
the Panthers, you're gonna get confidence, right. But he's doing
such a good job in the pocket, subtle movements. I
don't want to say he reminds me of Drew Brees
in the pocket. Drew Brees, in my opinion, is one
of the best of all time maneuvering the pocket. He's able,
though bo Nix is, to slide left, to slide right,
those slight little movements. He's got a stronger arm than
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I think. He's more athletic than a lot of you
thinking move and I think that's the sort of the
secret sauce his decision making right with Davis Webb as
a quarterback coach. I was there in the off season
and I sat with him during training camp and stuff
like that, and I got to see Davis Webb coach
bo Nicks. It was it was like a mind of
Sean Payton. So that's why I hired him.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
I think that's the secret sauce right there in that
bo Nix conversation. But you were on it, and I
think you're right. It's it's the movement to get out
of certain situations where a lot of other quarterbacks will
just throw it away.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So something I look at, even in my blazing five picks.
When you give Sean McVay or Andy Reid or Shanahan
like they play Thursday, the following week they get four
extra days or they get a bye. There's no question
in my life that offensive coaches the good ones flu
or off a bye, you're just gonna get new stuff.
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Here's what worries me about the Bears. They come off
a bye against Washington first seven possessions, six punts, gad.
But they did nothing with the extra time. What does
that tell me about their prep? What they're are they
just limiting what they're giving Caleb.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, it's the play calling.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
If I'm being completely honest with you, the play calling
for me, and I gave it. And if this is harsh,
you might not. It was an F minus last game.
It was an F minus. It was so bad because
let's just take you through the first two games of
Caleb Williams's career as a pro. You try to put
him in a pro style offense under center play action. Sorry,
that's not what Caleb Williams does.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He is a.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Creator, He is a movement guy in space.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
So they even made mistake right out of the shoe.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Right out of the chute, right out of the chote,
and it's Shane Waldron. And then you go to the
next three games, really the next fourteen quarters, two and
a half games, he was excellent because they opened up
the offense. They put him in shotgun, they put him
in RPO's run pass option situations. They hey, you know what,
let's give them pure progression reads, which for viewers at home,
it's hey, start on the left.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Is he opened?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Yes, If not, go to the next guy, go do that.
It wasn't half field reads. And then you go on
by and you're playing well, you beat the Panthers and
the Jaguars. I get it, but you are the reason,
Caleb Williams, the reason they're winning those games.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And then you come against the Dan Quinn coach team.
What's their defense is great?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Right?
Speaker 6 (15:22):
And you play so poorly and you coach so poorly
the fifty minutes, first fifty minutes of that commander's game,
But then you turn it around the last ten and
you drive the football field or the drive the link
of the football field twice. You score a lot of
points the last two drives, and you're gonna win the game,
and we're talking about we're not talking about it, but
we would be talking about the toast of the town.
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In the Chicago Bears. If they're five and two, they
beat Jayden Daniels, they beat Dan Quinn on the road,
and then you give up a hell Mary. So, yes,
the play calling was awful, but I do think Caleb
the last ten minutes of the game, which I want
to see quarterbacks do, he carried them.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, it's this is the way sports fans are.
They're great with emotion. They don't know what's contextualized stuff.
So if you don't win, you're a bum. I think
the best quarterback in the league that nobody gets yet
is Justin Herbert. If you watch the Chargers last week,
Mark Sanchez brought this on. There's nobody open like Will Disley,
who was a college defensive end.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Glad you brought it up.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I mean there's nobody open now.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lad McConkey is twitchy when he has the ball, yes,
but he's not a burner. He's not big, So fuck
if you get him like most slot guys, if you
get him in space, he'll make guys miss.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He'll make linebackers look slow. But he's not wide open.
That's not what he is.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So I think I think Herbert's so gifted, but I
think we all look and go, where are the doubles?
How do you view him as somebody that was in
this league for fourteen year? Yah?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean I played with him. I was on the
roster for two years.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
The thing about justin that a lot of people don't
understand is because we don't cover him a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I personally love him as a player, not only on
the field, but off the field as well. He's one
of the better leaders. He's one of the best teammates
I've ever been and quite honestly, he could care less
about stats. In fact, him and Harball mess together perfectly
because he don't care.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
He wants to win football.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
You saw him last game, the thirty eight yard run
down the right side.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
He lowered his shoulder. I'm like, justin get out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You were literally way too much.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Tell me, I'm like, what are you doing, bro? Get
out of bounds? But you saw him throw for three
hundred and forty six yards in a loss, and will
Disley is the leading ers.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I'm like Will Disley, I do too, but he's a husky,
but he was a defensive Then.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Will Disley like, what are we doing?
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Like they took away Keenan Allen, they took away Mike Williams.
Josh Palmer has not lived up.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Now getting this week, I will say they're Quentin Johnson's back,
and so is DJ DJ Shark.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
But and I love Lad McConkey coming out like that
was for me as soon as he got drafted, when
I was on draft covers and said he's going to
have one hundred catches.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
He's on pace for ninety seven.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's take him a little bit of time volume into a.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
High volume guy. But Justin is doing things. And quite honestly,
when you play that good of defense, I think they've
allowed ten total touchdowns this year. When you're playing that
good on defense, you can afford to throw to Will Disley.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Okay, finally we said this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We have a guy at Greg Cosell that looks at
film you've but doing it forty five years. And I said,
the Chiefs are so unique. Their offense isn't very good.
It's the but it's great in high leverage situation, no doubt,
which is usually most Many offenses in this league are good,
but in high leverage situations they get tight. The Chiefs
are the only team in the league that I don't
trust their offense unless it's fourth down against the great defense.
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So you played under Andy Reid? What does he spend
more time at practice on those?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I mean, look, everyone knows that Andy Reid is one
of the most innovative play colors of all time. And
he gets ideas from janitors. As he used to say,
he gets ideas from backup quarterbacks, YouTube, YouTube, anywhere he
can get it, he'll try it. And he loves player accountability.
These players are coming to him with these plays, third downs,
two minute situations, fourth downs. When games online, it helps
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that you have Patrick Mahomes, he's.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Pretty good as well.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
But when you're moving the all down the field like
that and you're still and you're still trying to find
ways to win, like they don't have a run game,
they're out there number one and number two receivers. I
don't think DeAndre Hopkins trade moves the needle that much.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, he doesn't. He's not a separate He's.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Great in the slot versus zone. And I watched this
literally before I came out. I watched the game against
the Raiders, and I'm sitting there thinking, like, Raiders, why
in the world would you play zone against this team?
Patrick Mahomes will each you up, play man to man,
get pressure on Patrick Mahomes. That's how you beat this team.
But then you'll do that Andydriill have some crazy man
beater that comes out of nowhere that he got from
the janitor.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So are you enjoying doing the facility?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Are you enjoying it?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I love it? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
You know what, when I told Acho that I was
going to do show, I said, I have one thing
that I want to do, and I want to actually
break down film on a morning show. They don't do
it a lot, but we actually get the breakdown film
calling on this big board. And when you know, when
we're always tossing to you and j mack over here,
it's good to see you. We're always talking in between,
like when you come out here fifteen minutes prior.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm glad. I'm glad we're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It finally, Jared Goff I said he's the least respected
quarterback in the league. And the problem being our first
image of him. They ask him where the sun rises
on hard knocks. His rookie year, he didn't know, and
the season was bad, and then and McVay moves off
and that's bad. And then they win with Stafford and
that's bad. But in five to six years, you're gonna
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look in the NFL record book and he's gonna be
like seventh and eighth in like half the league. And
I mean, to me, he is a He's Kirk Cousins
with a better arm. He's Matt Ryan with a better arm.
How do you view him? He's not very athletic. But
you know what he's never hurt is how he got
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Ragdall for three or four years.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He's never hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Look, I like Jared Goff a lot. I don't think
we talk about him enough. I think he's the main
reason why the Detroit Lions are one of the best teams,
if not the best teams in the NFC. And I
don't live giving stats a lot, but what he's doing
right now it's historic. The last five games, he is
eighty three percent completion percentage one hundred and fifty six rating. Okay,
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if he keeps on track for the sixth game this
week and averages eighty three, and it'll be the best
stretch in the history of the game for completion percentage
and passer rating. What he's doing is historic. Like we're
not talking about it enough. It helps that you have
Sonic and Knuckles, right, Jamior Gibbs and Davi Montgomery. It
helps that you have a knee biting head coach and
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Dan Campbell, right, I know all that stuff. But another
man's trash is someone's treasure and with Detroit they got
the treasure and Jared Goff.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, And the other thing about it is a young
if you if you build a young culture.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
This is what I like about c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
C J.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Stroud appears to have no ego. Goff's got no ego,
Herbert's got no ego. For as big a star as
Lamar is, I don't see the ego.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I mean that's that's one of the things. That's why
I'm so tough during the quarterback drafting process. It's like
you're usually going to a bad team and they're gonna
build the culture around you. Most of these great young
quarterbacks you get no nonsense. And that's no nonsense guys.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We like those. We like those guys.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You can be nonsense a receiver and Mike lineback.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
You cannot at quarterback. There's no doubt about that. Thanks
for coming on the shoulder, Thanks for having me. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
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Speaker 2 (22:24):
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Speaker 3 (22:26):
Right. We're starting with one of your blazing fives. Is
Pooka Nikua setback. I don't know if you want to
call it that, but they look like a different team
last week against the Vikings. I saw some great numbers.
When they have Stafford Kiren Williams, Pooka and Cooper Cup
all healthy, they're at juggernaut.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
The only teams that beat them are Baltimore and Detroit
in overtime. Yep, they're an elite team when they got
their guys.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
But yesterday Pooka something happened to the knee, and they
say it's not serious. But he had to miss some
of yesterday's practice. He will be very closely watched today
to see if he's able to go.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I like him. This weekend. I did see Attle is
beat up offensively.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Lockett metcalf Fant, one of their offensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They're beat up.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I got some I don't know, maybe I'll save it
for the final hour. But there's some good stuff here
for the Rams. I'm with you. But without Pooka, it's
a different story.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
We saw Stafford without.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Him, he was He's their number one guy. Now it's
not Cup. If you watch them, Cup is the off
speed pitch.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Pooka is their number one target a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, is a great matchup, very exciting game, too smart coaches.
I hope Pooka is a go for fantasy purposes as well.
I know people care. Next story, you know, we got
to talk about this guy every day. Colin, your favorite
rookie quarterback Bo Knicks b next member Sean Payton. Oh
my goodness, what a streak they're on, winners of five
of the last six. Bo Nicks was named NFL Offensive
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Rookie of the Month.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Wow the month.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Put that on the fridge at home, baby, That is exciting.
Sean Payton went out on a limb after moving off
Russell Wilson to get Nicks. The rookie quarterback talked about
his relationship with baby week.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I give him the calls that I like, and you know,
he goes from there. He calls it how he sees it,
with the thought, you know, in the back of his mind,
he knows what I like. Always finding ways to get better,
you know, working together as play caller. And you know,
I'm also, you know, a rookie, So there's a time
to where you know, I don't have much sday and
there's not you know, much I you know, have to
offer in that regard. But you know I can just
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go out there and call whatever, run whatever he calls,
and just try to make it work. Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I think it's a pretty special relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
My man.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, the staff knows you like bo Nick. So we
got a nice little graphic here about what mix in October,
how he fared among other rookie quarterbacks. I mean, if
you want to guess, it's pretty damn good. First to
completion percentage, passing yards, TV interception udio, second in passer rating.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Sean Peyton assured me when we spoke confidentially that this
kid before Thanksgiving you'd start seeing the future. Yeah, I
haven't sourced. I'm not going to tell you who the
source is, but sp or the initials.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I love when somebody does a victory lap, but like
mile twenty three of the marathon, which is what you're
doing now, We'll see, we'll see. Maybe they get exact.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Maybe yeah, back down to earthier.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But I think listen, if you're Denver, you've been looking
for that you had to go buy. You know, if
you fell in love with Tbou you love Peyton, but
he was older. This feels like Peyton Knicks together. I
mean maybe he's one individually, you know, but together it
feels like the right fifth.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
There'll be an interesting offseason team because you know, remember
they had all that dead cap money with Russell Wilison.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
They still have some of it next year.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
If you have some of it next year, but they'll
be they'll have an opportunity to go out and get
some more help for bo Nicks. Maybe I don't think
Courtland Sutton's a one. You know, he's good, but he's
not a one.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
He'll if not, he's the best two in the league.
It's like Michael Pittman. If he's not a one, he's
a great two.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, there's a decent crop of wide receivers in college football.
I wonder if Denver targets one because the defense is
in good shape. I think it's a line could use
some Morgans. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I think they'll go get enough their corner, and I
think they'll continue to shore up their own line.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's my guess.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Okay, Bronco's arrow pointing up final story Colin earlier today,
you love that Garrett Wilson touchdown catch. Let's look at
it again here on FS one Roger third and nineteen.
Garrett go up and get it with one hand. He
taps the left and then gets the shin down. That's
just incredible footwork and balance. Jets interim head coach Jeff
Obrich said it's one of the best catches he's ever
(26:25):
seen and compared it to another historic catch made by
a New York Giant.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
I was talking to the raft when they were reviewing it.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
I'm like, just for the sake of posterity, you have
to you have to say that's in just so it
goes down in history. That's I mean, it would rival.
The Odell catch. You know, it was amazing. It was
close enough to definitely to challenge.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So it is.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Thankfully they got it right.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, No, I mean I thought I thought Aaron had
a very good second half. I thought the DeVante a
couple of big plays to Davonte.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Now he's got.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Four extra days of prep before Arizona. I'm not gonna
make a blazing five pick a week before, but Jets.
If the Jets are getting points at Arizona, they probably are.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, let's see what happens with Arizona Bears first.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
That is a way under now. Now, Packers Lions on
Fox is the best game. That is way under the radar.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I know you were clear eyed last night. It was
were you watching how Wilson and Adams had their way
with Stingley who you like? And then last under the
young kid, I mean you had no chance against the
Jets receiving. It becomes interesting, like how do you schematically
handle these two because honestly, I think they've got two
number one receivers.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Wilson's way are they are? They're both number one?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Adams is still a one.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yes, yes, here's my question. Bryce Hall's excellent Why aren't
they playing Allen Moore?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
That's a good question.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I like you.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
He looked good early in the season.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He's not a breakaway speed guy. He's a great compliment back.
They're not playing them a tome. I have no tight
end production at all.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, Conklin's okay, but it seems like they don't know
what they want to be. Early in the season, we
want to run the football, and now it's what we
got Davante. We want to pass the ball. I mean
they got the football to start the game, went three
and out, drop back, pass, drop back, pass, drop out,
and the sack on third down. It's like, I don't know, man,
I just don't think the Jets have an identity yet.
But it seems like maybe they want to be a
(28:14):
pass happy team. Can that work with Rogers and that line?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, all I know is in the second half, I
thought they looked like a really good football team sparked
by a great play. But I don't think they'll ever
be a great football team. I predicted eight wins, nine wins.
That's exactly where they're going to end up. I really
believe it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, Cardinals and Colts next, they don't have secondaries that
scare you. Rogers should have it.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They gets Miami twice, the Jags, the Colts, the Seahawks,
the Ram, they get a lot of teams came home.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Miami Secondary is awful. I mean, Marvin Harrison torched him.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
It's all in front of you, just right here.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Just don't do this to me. All right, I'm not
doing anything, do you You get me hyped, You're getting
me excited.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm blaming you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I'm like Joel Osteen in sports. I am nothing but
cheer and good nature.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The mega guy.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yeah i am.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I'm I'm an agnostic version of Joel hosting. Okay, if
you took the religion out, just a positive influence in America.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Jay Mark with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I made a prediction a couple of weeks ago. It
may have felt a little hot, taky. I think it
could happen in three to four weeks already. That's next
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Speaker 4 (29:26):
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
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Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sunday we got a huge NFL doubleheader on box first
Stack and the Cowboys take on the Falcons or other
regional action. Then it's America's Game of the week as
shared Goff leading the Lions against the Backers or ram Seahawks.
Check local listings for the games in your area Sunday
off lock.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, it's funny you look at that early window
A lot of times. I'll look at it and think, man,
there's not lot of good games, and then all of
a sudden, about two and a half hours into the
early window, you've got wild, wild finishes. I always feel
like the NFL gives you like six to seven really
good games a slate, and you only got like thirteen
fourteen games a week what is it, fourteen games a
(30:16):
weekend or fifteen games college football, you have sixty games,
and you may get four great ones. I think Ohio
State Penn State. If that was in Columbus, I think
Ohio State would roll. I think at Penn State, that's
really interesting. I'll still take the Buckeyes to win it.
But that is what I think the NFL gives you stars.
It gives you urgency and you just get great, great games.
(30:37):
Jay Mack and I do this every week. There will
be an upset sometime this weekend. My guess is Raiders
at the Bengals, those early windows, those are some of
the upsets. I think the Raiders beating I thought they
played pretty well against the Kansas City Chiefs. I think
the Raiders beating the Bengals feels like an upset to me.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And would Giant's over Washington be an upset? Divisional matchup?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
God, yes, you think that's that's one of them?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, no, no, I'm with you. I just think, you know,
these divisional matchups, they could be tough. Now it's a
short week for the Giants. I don't think how about this?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
How about this? How about this shocker? Colts at the Vikings.
That would be a shocker. But you have no idea
what I mean. First of all, Chase Daniels admitted it.
The Colts personnel, I think, I think their roster is
better than Houston's by an inch.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Whoa healthy Houston.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
They're not healthy. They haven't been healthy for a month.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So at my take is it would it would not
shock me if the Colts with flaccos surprise the Vikings,
because what is what does Brian Flores Viking defensive coordinator.
Do he confuses young quarterbacks? Flacco see everything, so you're
not going to confuse Joe Flatch.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So I thought that, Remember that was part of my
handicap against Aaron Rodgers in London. I was like, oh,
Rogers has seen every defense, He's seen every blitz, three interceptions,
pick six, Like I going against flores A Toughen. He's
on a heater this season, he's been incredible.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So there's a couple of combustible stories happening right now
in the NBA. Joe l Embiid is calling out Philadelphia fans.
Here's another one, according to an insider my five bold
NBA predictions, I said, I think Giannis is out of
Milwaukee after the season. A story today by CBS Sports
Bill Ryder is that teams are circling the Bucks and
(32:24):
they know that the Bucks are listening, including the Miami Heat.
And so, by the way, pat Riley GM of the Heat,
big deal maker. They lost again last night under five
hundred with Doc Rivers. Dame was one in twelve. And
I also think, listen, you want a title with Kareem
then you made a deal and got a ton of
players and were relevant for a decade. You won a
(32:45):
title with Giannis. This roster is old, it's unathletic. It
was old and unathletic two years ago. You are not
beating the Boston Celtics. You're not beating Indiana. If you're
old and unathletic, it's not happening. Is young and getting better.
So about the only other team that I worry about
their health is Philadelphia, and they may just implode. So
(33:07):
and I think some fish are just too big for
the pond. I thought Shaq was too big for Orlando.
Kareem was too big for Milwaukee. I think Giannis feels
like now it's getting kind of petty. There's a little animosity.
The Drew Holiday Dame move felt a little desperate.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I think the the roster in Milwaukee needs a massive
influx of youth. Chris Middleton now constantly hurt. He had
a nice career, but he's banged up. He can't defend
the perimeter when he plays, so and they're just kind
of waiting for him to get healthy. So this is
this is an organization. They got the ring and then
they kind of fired Budenholzer very quickly, and they had
these great expectations, but you.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Know what, windows close very quickly.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's why the Warriors when they went and got KD
I defended him is that, you know what, when when
the getting's good, add to it, don't hold your breath
and think it's gonna last forever. The Seahawks did that
very quickly. The Chiefs are going out and they're making
deals to get a d hop. They're making deals to
get players. That's the way to do it. So I
(34:08):
think you can't you can't reverse this roster. There's no
fountain of youth other than a trade call. The Houston Rockets,
they've been losing for years. They've got an influx of
young players. Some of the young players aren't getting on
the floor enough. They want to play, but they're not
in the rotation. So I think Houston is a team
you look at and by the way, it doesn't mean
you're necessarily going to get bad. You've been knocked out
of the first round in the East the last couple
(34:29):
of years, you are bad. Oksee and Boston rebuilt, did
a total rebuild and were like viable.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Think a rebuild in Milwaukee necessarily means you're bad. I
think you're going to get. You go back and look
at the Kareem trade. Gianness is what twenty nine to
thirty years old, You're going to get an absolute treasure
trove of picks and players. And here's the thing in
the NBA. Oklahoma City proved this is that when you
get young, if you hit on the draft picks, because
(35:01):
the NBA season is so long and you have the
load management for a lot of these stars, really really
young teams that play hard and have good chemistry, you
could end up. You look up and you got thirty
eight forty wins in a rebuild. Oklahoma City. They hit
on draft picks, They had one star in SGA, They
had great chemistry, nice coaching, played hard every night. You
(35:23):
look up and you're like, well, the four or five seed,
what's going on the bottom of the East is awful.
It's been awful forever. So I mean, if you're not
able to win first round playoff series, now what are
you giving up? I would make a move. And I
think the sooner you can get new blood into the building,
the better you got a title.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Not this thing. The dynasty ended very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You thought it. I thought it was going to be like, oh,
four or five. I mean, look at Denver. Denver's a
great example with Jokisch. I thought that thing was going
to be three titles in four years. Watch them right now,
they're rolling the dice on Westbrook. So tate when you
get it. If you get a ring, be happy with it.
Always look to improve. Dynasties don't last long, and teams
(36:09):
get old very fast in pro sports. All right, we
had Chase Daniel on earlier. The game of the weekend
is the Detroit Lions. Speaking of Milwaukee, the Detroit Lions
at green Bay. Very rarely in the NFL do you
get a really good coach, a really good quarterback at
home and they're an underdog. It almost never happens. So
(36:32):
that's why I like green Bay this weekend. It's a
very rare spot where Matt Lafluur can say we're the underdog,
We've got no respect. You just don't get that in
the NFL. Good home teams with star coaches and star
quarterbacks are almost never dogs at home. How often is Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City an underdog at home? Like never happens. So
I really like green Bay to play with their hair
and fair this weekend. But I think the story that
(36:54):
is interesting is Detroit, and I think Jared Goff is
a fascinating story. I have made the argument that the
best Super Bowl for ratings would be the Detroit Lions
and the Buffalo Bills, two franchises. Buffalo especially, they've had
great quarterbacks and great players, and they just can't get
(37:15):
over the hump. I think there's a sympathy for Buffalo
upstate New York. They have been well run for many
years here in a row. They just they want to
hoist a trophy. They can't get pasted. It feels a
little like Mickelson with Tiger in his prime. It's just
Micholson was great, but there was Tiger. It's like the
Utah Jazz with Jordan. Utah was great, there was Jordan.
(37:36):
I kind of feel like I kind of feel like
Buffalo is great, but there's Mahomes. So I think if
Buffalo faced Detroit, they got a little Chicago Cubs feel
to him. And the Super Bowl is going to be
big regardless. But Goff is perfect for Detroit. Doubted kick
to the curb. We question if he has what it takes.
(37:56):
I mean, he is such a perfect fit for a
franchise in a city that gets eye rolled, ignored, criticized.
So I mean, only Cleveland's gets more of that, But
you know, Cleveland's Cleveland. So I think Detroit, by the way,
my wife's from there, there's a lot to offer. It's
absolutely gorgeous, the art, the feud, the music. But Detroit's
(38:19):
been kicked around for years, and Goff got kicked out
of Los Angeles. So I think he's a perfect fit.
And Chase Daniel earlier on why he's been the catalyst
of this whole reboot in the Motor City.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I think he's the main reason why the Detroit Lions
are one of the best teams, if not the best
teams in the NFC. And I don't live giving stats
a lot, but what he's doing right now it's historic.
The last five games he is eighty three percent completion
percentage one hundred and fifty six rating. Okay, if he
keeps on track for the sixth game this week and
(38:53):
averages eighty three, and it'll be the best stretch in
the history of the game for completion percentage in passerrating.
What he's doing is historic, Like we're not talking about
it enough.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And it should be noted, Yes, he's got some nice things,
but Jamison Williams is deep threats not available this week.
He's been hot and cold. Like everybody else in the NFL.
They've had injuries. It's not perfect. They're also in the
best division in football, so you can say, well, he
has this, he has this, he has this. The truth
is that division head and shoulders above it. They have
not had an easy early schedule. They had they got
(39:28):
the Rams when the Rams were healthy. So it's a
it's a team thirty three and a half points a game,
and if you look at their schedule Jmack, this is
what's interesting is there are a lot of ws on
this schedule. They have a real shot to be a
number one seed. So green Bay needs to get them
this weekend because then it's the Texans, the Jags, the Colts,
(39:49):
the Bears.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They they've got you know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
My take is if San Francisco in Week seventeen has
a playoff spot, they may rest a Deebo Samuel and
a Christian McCaffrey for the playoffs. So if green Bay
does not get Detroit this weekend, they could go on
a month role in the mid thirties and scoring. There's
a lot of teams out there that are a little
wobbly right now after the Packers.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So I had to look it up just because you
mentioned it. Jordan Love is practicing for the second straight day.
That is good news.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, the groin injury.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
And some Packers fans are reminding me about what Jordan
Love did the last time he faced the Lions, which
I believe was Thanksgiving, kind of sort of lit him up, like,
I like your You're on the Packers here right?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think how many times has Lamar Mahomes or Alan
been a dog at home? Why are we not respecting
the Packers?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We got to respect Lafloor. I'm starting. I'm ready to
put him top four coaches.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Guy's really damn good. He is just I mean Malik Willis.
A year ago, I didn't think he could play at all,
No nobody did. He's undefeated and his numbers aren't that different.
He just runs more than Jordan Love. Albert Burr around
the corner. It is a Friday Amax picks guys future
so bright. He's got to wear shades over here.
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