History was MADE at UFC 308 in Abu Dhabi, so Daniel Cormier and Ben Askren are BACK with another edition of Funky and the Champ! Askren and Cormier GO IN ON why Khamzat's DOMINANT performance vs. Robert Whittaker may have him "skipping the line" for a title shot vs. Dricus Du Plessis. And after knocking out Max Holloway, Ilia Topuria has his eyes set on "submitting" Islam Makhachev. Ben and DC break down that fight, and Askren tells Cormier why that's the one matchup Topuria would still lose. Plus, DON'T MISS Ben Askren talk Francis Ngannou vs. Dana White, and why he too didn't see eye-to-eye with Dana. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's some guys? Welcome to a brand new episode of
Funky in the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier that has been
asking what's some funky ben? It feels like we haven't
done this for a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It hasn't been that long though, I know. Yeah, it's
kind you're missing me fast. I believe it's been two weeks.
I could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm not have to go through the content and see
if if it's been longer.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey, that's what my son says. I don't know if
your kids said it now. But if I say something
that that's questionable to him and search it up.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it's the best. Having Google is the best. Yo.
I win arguments with my friends just straight out of
Google because they're idiots they don't use it. I mean,
having stats everything, it's the best.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So you're you're a pretty good bullshitter though, so I
would imagine, because you know, bullshitters used to get away
with a lot more like.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Back in the day. Yeah, fact checkers. Now you can
fact check us. So it kind of kills my game
a little bit. It kills my game a little bit,
But you're evolved me, dude, I used to get dudes.
Oh so it was right. It's been three weeks since
we did it.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
See you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You don't care about me. You just don't care about me, Doug.
It's really messed up. It ain't gonna ask to see
me this weekend. No, you ain't gonna see me this weekend.
If you actually missed me, maybe you would.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I'm not coming to the Vancouver. The communists, oh my god,
they are Okay, you started on Justin Trudeau wanted to
make this a political podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Ben, What are you talking about, Doug? You're crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I am not crazy. Just good search it up, you'll
figure it out.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Ben. Hey, last weekend I was in Abu Dhabi.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The travel is brutal. I went sixteen hours each way
twice since since August.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Did you did you get a director?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I go direct to San Francisco. It's but it's it's
too long. Sixty and a half hours in that tube
is not it's not good man.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
One of those laid down beds, which that does. I've
done that time. It does make it incredibly easier.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It does make it easier, but still it's you're not
sleeping on those planes like not not not not over
the course of that time. So I'm ad UFC threeh eight,
I'm sitting down with all these fighters. Ilias says he's
gonna starch Max. He goes out and he does it.
Hamza says he's not gonna be any different against Robert
Whitaker than he it was before. He goes and he
(02:26):
does that shower. Bullet does a spinning backfist, double backfist.
Danny gave Ron Murphy had a sick fight. Every fight
on that card was insane. So when you broke down
that event as a whole, what was like your biggest takeaway? Like,
was it Hamza Jamayah is the best mint away in
the world? Was it Iliots? The Pouria may just be
(02:49):
the most well rounded father Way we've ever seen, even
though we've seen all of those guys. What was your
biggest takeaway from UFC threeh eight.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I would I would say to Puria probably, And I
love these cards over there. Saturday afternoon pay per views
are tremendous. I wish they did a few of them
per year. It's so great to this, you know, just
put him on Sturf. Dude, chill out, you're watching, you're
hanging out fights are going on and then and then
they're done by you know, like four thirty or whatever,
and you can go do whatever you want with your family.
(03:18):
It's awesome. To Pouria was really really impressive. He's good everywhere,
you know. I was actually kind of thinking, like to
Pouria might be what we thought Connor was gonna end
up being, or we thought Sean O'Malley was gonna be.
He's got a great personality.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
She's real quick to stop you on that point, I
don't really cut you off go for it. Did we
really think Sean O'Malley was gonna be that?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Just be honest, like I thought I thought once he
got rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
In with a chance in terms of personality, maybe, but
so Pooria came here as a wrestler, O'Malley doesn't have that.
Connor never had that. Like that to me limits the
idea that those guys could have been great long ranging champions.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well, I actually think Connor, had he stayed focused and
not not done the booger Sugar, probably could have been.
You know, I mean, he just he just kind of
stopped fighting. Like he was really really a good fighter.
He had a few weaknesses, but then you know, once
he kind of achieved the level of fame. Uh, his
life feels like it just changed and he just the
frequency at which he fought went way down.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He he never defended his title at either weight class,
not one time at fifty forty five or fifty five.
And Sean O'Malley obviously, like the Peter Yon fight, showed
some weaknesses. But then it kind of appeared that maybe
he's gonna get over him and get through them. Morab
I suppose was the boogeyman in that division.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's a couple. There's a couple, right because ability, Yeah,
that's fair. It makes it hard to think that he
would be able to just continuously get through those guys. Yeah,
with those rustle heavy approaches.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and now with Tupouria. You see, you know, Holloway
and Volkanovsky kind of ran that division for a really
long time. I just go back and look, but it
feels like many years, many years, and he took him
out back to back, non competitive, neither bout was really
all that competitive.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He got him both in less than one fight. He
got Max in the third, he got Bulk in the second.
He got through both of them, dudes two of the
three greatest featherweights of all time. Yes, he got through
them in less than five rounds. Bro, It's crazy to
think of what this kid's doing.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So and he's still young, and you know, they they
matched him up with some interesting fights, even for a wrestler.
Sometimes wrestlers maybe don't have great grappling. But you know,
they put him against the Bryce Mitchell and he dominated him.
That was the first fight where I was like, a minute,
this guy he's really good, Like, holy moly. They put
him against Ryde Hall, who's a very tricky like that's
(05:54):
kind of like a hard person to beat because he's
so skilled in one area. So they kind of like
have thrown him against a lot of different people.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Do you think maybe that Do you think maybe that though?
One of the biggest knocks on Sugar Sewan was that
they didn't think he was fighting the best. Yeah, right,
Do you think that though, because of Iliot going through
what he went through with those types of fights. He
went through Bryce Mitchell, who at the time was the man,
and Iliot beat him to the point then he just
grabbed it and put him in an arm tackle and
(06:22):
choked him out. Yeah. Then he beat Josh immittt Bro,
do you remember how bad he'd beat Josh Emmitt and Orlando?
That was ugly.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Wasn't that like the worst scorecard ever in U SEE history?
Isn't it like a fifty forty two or something to
that effect.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He beat the crap out of Josh EMMITTT It was,
and Josh him is the hardest puncher in the division,
so he kind of knew, like, this dude is really
really scary. So he starts doing all these things and
then he goes out there and he wins the fight
against Volk. And then I started saying to myself, if
this kid, hey, because the kid's a superstar, like bro,
(06:57):
the president of Spain.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Did you he's got He's got that buddy that plays soccer.
That's like, really the man, I don't know nothing about soccer,
So I've.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Made friends with Sergio Ramos just by knowing illiots abore
you and.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
To me, that's awesome. On the podcast, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What I was. Did you see my suit Saturday? Did
you see that suit?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Were you wearing purple?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Bro? It was like it was like a maroon iss burn.
Let me tell you why we can't be friends anymore?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Get into fancy you, Kett. You kept your humble roots
for a long time. You were effing burgundy suits and
say your friends with Sergio Ramos. I don't know we
could do this.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You want to know why award before they go, hey,
you know we're Steve Harvey is gonna be there, I say, oh,
look me up there, because you know Steve.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Harvey the Guys and Family Feud.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know, Steve Harvey were is like that nice suit
all the time. I took a picture of him. I said, Steve,
they told me you were coming, dog, I SA, so
give me an he said, boy, you're crazy, DC you
the man. Boy, my god, I love Steve Harvey.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No. You know my favorite clip on almost all the internet,
there's just one step. I'm sure you had to see it.
So Steve Harvey does the Family Feud, which is a
great show that I watched. It is, and there's there's
an attractive woman and this dude and they're they're at
the buzzer, you know when they come up to the
buzzer you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And and this dude just starts wolfing at her, and
(08:25):
Steve Harvey's like, brow into your wife over there.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Have you seen that? Boy? He always like, I don't
want to be you tomorrow because hey, some of the
stuff they say on family feud, I'm like, these people
are crazy because they're married. Hold on, I'm trying to
find the picture of me and Steve. I walked right away.
He came up to me DC. What's up, boy, I said, Steve,
I said, they told me you were coming today. Baby,
(08:49):
I said, make my suit real night. Hey look at that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh my gosh, you're too funny. I love it because, okay,
we're friends again, because now now you're humble admitting like
you're so exciting. Meet Steve back like in two thousand
and ain't when I post that picture when you were
too scared to talk to them basketball players that I
didn't know him, and I had to go say, hey, man,
my friend wants a picture with you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Can we make this happen? Because guess what, bro, it's
hard like Bro. They told me this old story yesterday
where this famous rapper went up to Michael Jordan asked
for a picture and Michael Jordan, like custom bug went
crazy on him.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Michael Jordan, he's different, He's different, Bro.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Still it's hard to ask for photos. Anyhow, back to
Elliot to pour you. His son walks in there and
hands him a rose. He's got two, he's got that
little boy, and he's got a daughter and he just
had well did you see the kid? He and it
all works. It just kind of all works, Elliot to
pour you, Right, he's always well dressed, good looking kid,
(09:48):
beautiful family.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It didn't you ask him why he was so rich
or something?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Bro I had to ask him. Bro man his gym,
bro my gym in my house? No libral cage, hyperbaric chamber.
Uh wait, stuff, mats wall matts photos up maybe one
hundred and ten thousand dollars. His was two million in Spain.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Man, how does he have that? He is exaggerating?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
How does he have that money? No, because you know
you make your money, wants you to champion. I built
all that gym and it might have cost one hundred
and ten grand.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So what was his answer?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He said he does things outside of m and a.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh oh, man, my man's running some camgirls or some
some type of ring over there. Isn't he like the takes? Bro?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He was at he was shadow boxing on a Hello
pad at the top of his apartment. Building, which was unbelievable.
This guy's got some interesting it works.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Hey, I don't ask any more questions if I know any.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Let's said he still beats him, though, do.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You think crazy as ship? Give me a Batty.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Pimblet said he still beats him.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
They were scheduled to fight like Cage Warriors or something
in Cage Warriors or something.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know. Paddy Pimblet said he still believes he
beats them. Seriously, I just thought it on him. A
junkie said here, let me read it to you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I still I still believe I could be said July
of by wrestler at the World Championships tomorrow. You do not,
no no, I said, I was making your comparison.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Why look, Patty said, both is he called him, and
he called him he would beat him if they crossed paths.
He's a heavy heavy hand sanitizer boy with the wind
because he called him heavy hand sanitizer heavy. Well done, Iliot,
give you your due, lad, sixteen year old hand sanitizer boy.
(11:42):
I can't wait him to come back up to lightweight.
I still think I'd beat him, I really do.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
What is what is the hand saner comment.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Called him a hand sake because he's like scrubbing, like
opening the curtains or something. Chill was telling Menyboudy eyesterday.
It was weird. He said, he's just a hand sanitizer. Boy.
They were going to fight each other. That's weird the
watching that dude last weekend. You think Vogue beats him
in the rematch?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
No? Really, Volkanovski beats the Poria.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, I don't think he beats him. No.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wow, that's mean when it since when do younger guys
get worse? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So that's the thing, right, they always say the younger
guy wins the rematch.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, always, they always get I mean they're getting better.
Twenty seven. Think about where you were at when you
were twenty seven. You were just coming into your prime.
You didn't even start fighting until, like, I don't know,
thirty one or something.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean, I started at thirty one years old.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Thirty one, That's what I'm saying. Twenty seven, that's just
going in your prime. Volkanoski has been in some wars.
I mean, I don't know. I'm honestly like, give Diego
Lopes a shot? Why not? Why not? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You want to give the new guy?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So Lopez beats him.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Nope, I'm think any yet, none of them right now.
He's the best. That's why he's the champion. He fought
up everybody. And you know, if you're I don't know what,
this very hard.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
This is hard because you actually don't love to just
give flowers that much.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, he's really good, Daniel rewind Louis. Go find this.
Whenever he beat up we were doing the show when
he beat up with it, Bryce Mitchell, well he beat
Bryce Mitchell up. I'm like, dude, that guy is really good.
Like I'm really like, yes, I do not get really impressed.
This is December ten, twenty twenty two. So somewhere on
that I watched him, I said, oh my god, this
(13:32):
guy's freaking like he's really good. So what I was
gonna say is I hope they follow the prayer strategy,
and I hope to Pouria wants to be active, and
I hope they keep rolling him out here every somewhere
between three and five months, right, keep him active, making
a gigantic star, because I think he's that good and
I think he can beat up all these guys no problem.
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, okay. Now, with that be insaid, he said he
would submit Islam.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I would wait a couple of fights for that. If
I if I were the UFC, I would say, hey, guy, hey,
you know, we'll we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We will do that. I'm as armand that's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Is Islam as armand so you got at least one
more fight for Islam, you know. And let's say, if
Chandler beats OLIVERA, they said they would give him a
chitle shot, so I think they would probably. I think
they'd probably want to honor that. I think Dana really
likes Michael Chandler, so they would they would probably honor that.
(15:58):
So that gives you We'll say a year ish, maybe
a little more to to continue to build ilia. And
then think about that if you if you've given him
two or three more fights and he's become the gigantic
star you got Islam who's won two more fights. Now
that's a mega mega mega fight.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a mega fight. And then yes, is that one
that you would consider it a much closer fight?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What that's one where I'd be like Aluise and I'd say, Danielle,
I've never asked you for anything. Give me a damn
front row seat to this, Louise, come on, man, we
have front row sea.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Front row seats. Luise literally sat what a fighter sat
at the sphere, bro, Luise literally sat in the front
row whenever they did it. I called the lated the UFC.
I go, why did you give him such a great
fucking I was all pissed off, bro, I was so
mad he's sitting next to just engage you the old time.
It was crazy, somebody. But that's a fight that you
(16:53):
think would be more competitive, because right now it sounds
like hell, do you think? But let me ask you,
do you think Armand can compete with Islam?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think it's a competitive fight, But I'm definitely leaning
towards Islam winning the fight. You know, Dustin had a
good battle Islam. But I think Islam's he's the champion.
So there's there are times when the person who is
a champion, and Chiell talks about this, the person and
you know, a great example would beat Morob and Sean.
(17:22):
Sean got the belt, but he did not fight Morob
on the way up right, and they had prevented Morob
from the shot. Morob had prevented himself a little bit
because he didn't want to fight Beljab and did it.
But when Sean got the belt, we weren't certain that
he was the best guy in the division because we're like, well,
there's this Morob guy who's really good, and he's got
to fight him to prove to us he's the best.
(17:42):
And there's other divisions that are like that. You honestly
a little bit like DDP and Shamaia at this point
in time.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Like you think Jamiah B's DDP.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I want to see it before I crown DDP. I mean,
he he is holding the belt right now. But you know,
like with wrestling, the thing we have we say we
have the World Championships tomorrow is like they're all going
to wrestle, and you know this Daniel wrestling is real
because there's no one who says, oh, if I were
to wrestled there, I'd beat everybody. It's like, yeah, shut up,
show up, show up. But you're not the best. That's it.
And fighting we don't always get that all the time.
(18:13):
But I feel like is the best in his division.
I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Beat the two best that I mean, Max had the
belt from sixteen to nineteen, then Volc at it from
nineteen to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's crazy, right, that's like, yeah, eight years we were
talking about. Yes, I said it was a while, but
eight years that's freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah. So, but you feel like he's the best. But
then Hum's out your way breaks Robert Whitaker's teeth, and then.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's that's crazy. They bumped him up ten spots in
this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Three Yes, yo, he breaks Robert Whitaker's teeth. Bro, he
squeezed Kevin Holland did you see his eyes?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
If they're like bloodshot red, what kind of squeezed? Does
Houm's out your way have have? Bro?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I want to hey, you know how they got that
little hands squeezer. Yes, yeah, I think that you said
they to make a bigger one. I've actually been thinking
about this, Daniel. You know the people. So if you
want to steal my idea, give me a few bucks whatever.
So for for right, for like a gut wrench or
a cradle or a rear naked choke. I've always thought
what they could do is they can make some type
of you know how like you there's a you get
(19:16):
a football and it's deflated, right, and you plug a
little thing in there and then you, you know, you
pump it up and it gets really like hard and strong. Right,
you make some type of device that has its own
air pump in it, kind of like out of you know,
you know those inflatable beds where it's like twist the
knob and they blow up.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, so you have a big like circular thing, right,
and you just practice crushing it look kind of like
I crushed the watermelons, and then it blows It blows
back up, right, and you squeeze it again and it
blows back up.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That would that would really that would help what you
got red squeeze for real?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Got red squeeze, cradle, squeeze, rear, naked chokes, right, all
this type of squeeze because.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You think about Ben Ben what let's keep this.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Okay, you can make just get through people, let me
let me just say I'll finish. So like you do.
You can do a.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Poll which don't put too much of the idea.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But there's nothing where we're connecting all of the muscles
at the same time. And that's what I tell my
I tell my dudes in practice, like you want to
squeezing people, you do. You get a hold on someone,
you gotta squeeze the ship out of them, like you
try to squeeze him as hard as you can every
single time you get in one of these positions.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That is a that is true. That's a great idea
for wrestling. Hey, so if Jamia is a minus two
hundred favorite over DDP, oh really, yes, Jamayah is a
minus two fifty favorite over Sean, But Sewan DDP is
minus one ten minus one ten, Right.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So I can't ask you a question now. Sometimes I
don't stay up on the news. Are DDP and Sean
Are they already on the schedule? Are they just so?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
DDP and Sean are supposed to fight once they're not
on the schedule. Costa, No, it's not scheduled. What's Shawn
all the costs that he said he's next, But then
Jamaiah does.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I think he might. He might skip Tremaiah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's what I'm gonna say, if you have to
your appointment. He said, you don't always feel like the
best guy is holding the title. If Jemiah his favorite
almost three to one against Sean, he's favorite two to
one against the champion, but the champion is fighting someone else,
do we really have the best guy in the division
(21:26):
fighting for the bill?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And and that's why I said, I think you skipped it.
I think you put Samiav in there now as as
the president. SHAMAIAV did look against Robert Whittaker, and he
looked awesome. You know, he's had fights where he hasn't
looked quite as awesome, right, so he had and Gilbert
Burg and Usman both those fights were really competitive where
(21:51):
you know he he was the better guy, but you thought, okay,
you know this could Uh, I'm not quite as convinced.
And then you watch him do what he did too
with a her, which Whinnaker alleges and you know he's
had that same injury twice. That's a weird injury, like
it's like a jawbreak, like right here, you know where
teeth got pushed back. So he said it's happened twice before,
(22:12):
So maybe that bonus weak. But that's because I mean,
I'm sure you said it. Uh, I mean you actually
you were being broadcasted. He said, holy crap, why do
you tap so fast?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That was so weird? Yeah I did. I was like,
wait what now I understand I have to seeing that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That was what I thought. I thought, Oh my god,
what what just happened? Like I actually maybe it was
like the punch before the chn trapped like fast, like
a panicky tap like panicky so fast.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, it was like please please, please stop something. And
I was like, wow, Robert Woodaker would never tap to
something like that, not a neck crank. But then when
you see his teeth. So would you be okay with
them just putting your miya in there for the back?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yes, I'd be okay. Really, I actually I think that's
probably advisable.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Really, So you have advice for the the uh the
lost man?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yes? O again Ben?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
All right, guys, Hey, time for Funky's corner. So Ben
Francis Gottom fought last week and he beat an infrenata.
Dana White has long not been a fan of Francis.
Let's be honest, because he doesn't believe Francis is a
good guy. There were some things that happened into the
building of the first Miltich fight that really bothered Dana White,
(23:28):
and he just does not like Francis. Let me read
this to you, Dana White said, when asked about France
and Ghanu and uh the fight last weekend, he goes.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
They.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He said, Francis and Ghanu will never be back in
business with me. He said, I don't think about Francis
that much. You guys asked me a question about the PFL,
and I respond, other than that, the only one who
praying versus of Mises probably the PFL because they signed
a shitty contract with a guy that doesn't deliver any
numbers and he think it sells the pay per views.
(24:07):
So and they keep praying for this guy, however long
good for him, not good for them. He can play
those games if he wants. He would have made more
money here. I didn't like Francis as a person. White
said he wasn't a guy I wanted to do business with.
My boys were telling me he's misunderstood, and I told him,
when somebody shows you who they are, you gotta believe him.
(24:29):
It wasn't about him becoming an AVUE champion of the world.
Francis isn't a good guy. He plays the good guy.
I don't understand the language. So he seems like a
nice guy. He's not and just not a guy that
I wanted to be in business with. Period in the story,
whether he became the champion or not.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well I knew you're going to lead me
into this, so I will just go it is. I mean,
I obviously had the same experience with Dana, and you know,
I mostly think Data does a great job obviously as
a businessman. Strictly judging that he does an amazing job.
I think he showed a lot of courage when he
brought the UFC back for all of the professional sports,
(25:08):
for example. I respect that a lot. I love that
he's stuck up for his friend Donald Trump when everyone
wanted to crap on him. So there's a lot of
things that are very respectable about Data's personality. But in
my own experience, and actually we were at the meeting
together in twenty thirteen. It was the Monday after Jones
fought Gustafson, and as you know, you can vouch me.
I wasn't offered a contract. I went in there. I
(25:30):
pretty much said, listen, guys, I want to be done
with Balatore. I want to prove him the best in
the world, and I want to fight the beast, and
that's it. That's all I want to do. And I
was not offered a contract, to which point then Dana
spent years lying saying I didn't want to fight the best,
I didn't want challenges, I was running away, and like
that couldn't have been further from the truth. And so
it sucked to have this guy, Like essentially it is
(25:51):
essentially slander. I wasn't going to do a lawsuit or anything,
but saying things about me that I knew weren't true.
And Dana has this part about person when he can't
get what he wants, and like in that case, he
didn't offer me a contract, so he kind of got
what he wanted. But then I think because I was
continued to have success and people will continue to follow me,
he didn't he wanted to be off in a dark
(26:12):
corner where everyone ignored me or something. I don't know,
but you know, he's done the same thing with Cyborg.
I believe Randy could tour had a similar experience obviously
now Francis, if I thought really hard, I could probably
think of some other ones. But there is this weird
part of Dan's personality where if he doesn't get exactly
what he wants, he just starts crapping on people. And
because he has a big microphone, and because he is
(26:34):
generally very truthful and generally he's correct, so people just
believe him. And so I had to deal with many
years of Dan telling lies about me that were were
just really harmful to me, that he had no reason
or basis for doing. I wanted to fight the best
in twenty thirteen and therefore, you know anytime forward, and
(26:55):
you know, so then he got me in twenty nineteen
when I was you know, I probably we should have
had a hip replacement prior to that, but it was like, Hey,
this is my opportunity. I'm gonna take it. I don't
care if I'm not I'm not optimized where I should be, Like,
I get an opportunity I take an opportunity and I'm
not going to complain about it, but yeah, I would
have loved to have that in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
How about now do you see Dana when you see Dana? Like,
how are you guys?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Now, I don't see Dana ever?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You've never seen him since you finished fighting?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, I never. I haven't seen Dana since I finished fighting.
I mean, I just I'm not in that world anymore.
Like I don't really train very many fighters, if any.
I do this with you, but I don't do too
much more. I've kind of like said, I just do
my own thing. I coach wrestling. I enjoy coaching wrestling.
I tweet a little bit. I wrote a couple of books.
I guess, hey, by extreame balance, you know, so I
(27:44):
do a few things. But no, I'm kind of out
of that world a little bit. And I observe it
and I watch it and I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This like this, this gives you like PTSD.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Uh No, Like I'm totally okay with what happened, and
watch it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'm not talking about I'm not talking on you losing.
I'm talking about like it's a world that you somehow
broke away from like do you really want to be
involved in it? Is the question.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I like coaching more wrestling more than I like coaching fighting.
If the right fighter came around and said, hey, would
you would you help me? I think I would.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think you would do a tremendous job as a coach.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think you should coach MMA fighters.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
If someone came to me and said, hey, Ben, I
want you to train me, I think I would probably
I would. I would take that on. But you know,
it's one of those things where it's like when you
live your life, you live it moving forward, and it's
like I can't go back to twenty thirteen and to
have a redo. I will tell you, Uh. I do
get jealous a little bit, like say what a chimaya is?
Like fuck, I could have done that in twenty thirteen
to people, you know, and I did. I didn't get
(28:44):
the opportunity to do and Dani stole that from me.
But you got to say, like, hey man, you know,
that's how life works. Sometimes sometimes you don't give what
you want. I have moved on. I have a pretty
fucking great life, so I'm good with it. But let's
not let's not not acknowledge that part of Dana's person
that that's a really big negative. And I don't know
why he's like that, and it doesn't really make sense
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given this the stature and the power that he has
for him to throw little fits when he doesn't get
exactly what he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm gonna ask him about it next time I see him.
I like he Ben was asking about this part of this.
I'll ask him and I'll tell it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think, even as much as he probably respects you,
this weird part of his personality, he probably will not
give you a straight answer. I'll probably give you some
type of bullshit answer because you can. You know this.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know me.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
In twenty thirteen, I would have been more than happy
to sign a contract in which I was paid less
than a fair wage to have the ability to prove
that I was best in the world. That's what I
wanted to do. I didn't get that breetity to do that.
And you know me, and you know I would have done.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, you tell you out for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Like I don't know what he's gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I remember us walking in there together. Yeah, I remember
us walking in there together.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, So I don't know what. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I walked out of there too and said, okay, we
couldn't really come to an agreement, and I was like, well,
I'll just fight and then we'll see what I'm what I'm.
We had the same kind of attitude, right, like, just
pay me whatever, I'll fight and beat these guys. Yeah,
and then we'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. And honestly, that was kind of my thing, is
like I'll take I will take a shitty Patriot to
get in the door because I had that much faith
in myself that I'm gonna go do what I need
to do and then I will achieve it. And listen,
if I can't achieve it, maybe I don't deserve it.
Like that was kind of how I thought about it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's life. That's life. Hey, real quick, Dana wants Tony
Ferguson to retire. I think we're all in agreement there.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I think we're all in agreement there, like Tony needs
to be.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Done, yes, yeah, and that's what we did.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He not get cut? Did he not get cut after
that last fight?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't believe. I think Dana doesn't want to cut
him because Dana knows that he actually still has a
big name and could command money. I think that if
he cuts him, he just knows he'll go fight somewhere
else for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, that's why I think he doesn't cut him. I
think he doesn't cut him because I think he knows
he's gonna keep going to fight for less money and organization.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Where it's a big deal to them. It'll be a
big deal to have Tony Ferguson for that.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, that too. But it also is like in the UFC,
you can almost protect them with certain matchups like Michael
Kissa's fight. That wasn't that dangerous? Some matchup fight Michael Kissen.
What's he gonna do? Submit you they're gonna hurt you. Yeah,
you go fight those Russian organizations. They may put him
in there with a twenty two year old killer and
he can get really hurt. That's why I think they
(31:27):
don't cut him. I think they don't cut him because
if you cut him, he's still gonna go fight. I
just don't know where, all.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Right, Bill, you know, but that's okay. I mean on
that thought, it's like, hey, data can't everybody wants and
in this one, he's probably right if Tony pr sure
retired to move on, but we are all human beings
with their own freedom, and so he should allow Tony
have the freedom to do what he wants.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, Tony wants to stay in the UFC. He doesn't
want to go anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But this is where data. In this case, you could say, unfortunately,
you've lost eight in a row. You're just not competitive
enough to be here. Sorry, I love you your cut, you know,
I think you stop fighting. But you're a man. You
can do what a man wants to do.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He said, I'm too Tony said he's too old to retard. Alright, Ben, guys,
that's another episode of funking the Champ. We've been asking him,
Daniel Cormier. We'll catch you guys on the next one. Peace. Peace,
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's some guys? Welcome to a brand new episode of
Funky in the Champ. I'm Daniel Cormier that has been
asking what's some funky ben? It feels like we haven't
done this for a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It hasn't been that long though, I know. Yeah, it's
kind you're missing me fast. I believe it's been two weeks.
I could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm not have to go through the content and see
if if it's been longer.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey, that's what my son says. I don't know if
your kids said it now. But if I say something
that that's questionable to him and search it up.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it's the best. Having Google is the best. Yo.
I win arguments with my friends just straight out of
Google because they're idiots they don't use it. I mean,
having stats everything, it's the best.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So you're you're a pretty good bullshitter though, so I
would imagine, because you know, bullshitters used to get away
with a lot more like.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Back in the day. Yeah, fact checkers. Now you can
fact check us. So it kind of kills my game
a little bit. It kills my game a little bit,
But you're evolved me, dude, I used to get dudes.
Oh so it was right. It's been three weeks since
we did it.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
See you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You don't care about me. You just don't care about me, Doug.
It's really messed up. It ain't gonna ask to see
me this weekend. No, you ain't gonna see me this weekend.
If you actually missed me, maybe you would.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I'm not coming to the Vancouver. The communists, oh my god,
they are Okay, you started on Justin Trudeau wanted to
make this a political podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Ben, What are you talking about, Doug? You're crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I am not crazy. Just good search it up, you'll
figure it out.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Ben. Hey, last weekend I was in Abu Dhabi.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The travel is brutal. I went sixteen hours each way
twice since since August.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Did you did you get a director?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I go direct to San Francisco. It's but it's it's
too long. Sixty and a half hours in that tube
is not it's not good man.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
One of those laid down beds, which that does. I've
done that time. It does make it incredibly easier.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It does make it easier, but still it's you're not
sleeping on those planes like not not not not over
the course of that time. So I'm ad UFC threeh eight,
I'm sitting down with all these fighters. Ilias says he's
gonna starch Max. He goes out and he does it.
Hamza says he's not gonna be any different against Robert
Whitaker than he it was before. He goes and he
(02:26):
does that shower. Bullet does a spinning backfist, double backfist.
Danny gave Ron Murphy had a sick fight. Every fight
on that card was insane. So when you broke down
that event as a whole, what was like your biggest takeaway? Like,
was it Hamza Jamayah is the best mint away in
the world? Was it Iliots? The Pouria may just be
(02:49):
the most well rounded father Way we've ever seen, even
though we've seen all of those guys. What was your
biggest takeaway from UFC threeh eight.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I would I would say to Puria probably, And I
love these cards over there. Saturday afternoon pay per views
are tremendous. I wish they did a few of them
per year. It's so great to this, you know, just
put him on Sturf. Dude, chill out, you're watching, you're
hanging out fights are going on and then and then
they're done by you know, like four thirty or whatever,
and you can go do whatever you want with your family.
(03:18):
It's awesome. To Pouria was really really impressive. He's good everywhere,
you know. I was actually kind of thinking, like to
Pouria might be what we thought Connor was gonna end
up being, or we thought Sean O'Malley was gonna be.
He's got a great personality.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
She's real quick to stop you on that point, I
don't really cut you off go for it. Did we
really think Sean O'Malley was gonna be that?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Just be honest, like I thought I thought once he
got rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
In with a chance in terms of personality, maybe, but
so Pooria came here as a wrestler, O'Malley doesn't have that.
Connor never had that. Like that to me limits the
idea that those guys could have been great long ranging champions.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well, I actually think Connor, had he stayed focused and
not not done the booger Sugar, probably could have been.
You know, I mean, he just he just kind of
stopped fighting. Like he was really really a good fighter.
He had a few weaknesses, but then you know, once
he kind of achieved the level of fame. Uh, his
life feels like it just changed and he just the
frequency at which he fought went way down.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He he never defended his title at either weight class,
not one time at fifty forty five or fifty five.
And Sean O'Malley obviously, like the Peter Yon fight, showed
some weaknesses. But then it kind of appeared that maybe
he's gonna get over him and get through them. Morab
I suppose was the boogeyman in that division.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's a couple. There's a couple, right because ability, Yeah,
that's fair. It makes it hard to think that he
would be able to just continuously get through those guys. Yeah,
with those rustle heavy approaches.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and now with Tupouria. You see, you know, Holloway
and Volkanovsky kind of ran that division for a really
long time. I just go back and look, but it
feels like many years, many years, and he took him
out back to back, non competitive, neither bout was really
all that competitive.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He got him both in less than one fight. He
got Max in the third, he got Bulk in the second.
He got through both of them, dudes two of the
three greatest featherweights of all time. Yes, he got through
them in less than five rounds. Bro, It's crazy to
think of what this kid's doing.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So and he's still young, and you know, they they
matched him up with some interesting fights, even for a wrestler.
Sometimes wrestlers maybe don't have great grappling. But you know,
they put him against the Bryce Mitchell and he dominated him.
That was the first fight where I was like, a minute,
this guy he's really good, Like, holy moly. They put
him against Ryde Hall, who's a very tricky like that's
(05:54):
kind of like a hard person to beat because he's
so skilled in one area. So they kind of like
have thrown him against a lot of different people.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Do you think maybe that Do you think maybe that though?
One of the biggest knocks on Sugar Sewan was that
they didn't think he was fighting the best. Yeah, right,
Do you think that though, because of Iliot going through
what he went through with those types of fights. He
went through Bryce Mitchell, who at the time was the man,
and Iliot beat him to the point then he just
grabbed it and put him in an arm tackle and
(06:22):
choked him out. Yeah. Then he beat Josh immittt Bro,
do you remember how bad he'd beat Josh Emmitt and Orlando?
That was ugly.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Wasn't that like the worst scorecard ever in U SEE history?
Isn't it like a fifty forty two or something to
that effect.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He beat the crap out of Josh EMMITTT It was,
and Josh him is the hardest puncher in the division,
so he kind of knew, like, this dude is really
really scary. So he starts doing all these things and
then he goes out there and he wins the fight
against Volk. And then I started saying to myself, if
this kid, hey, because the kid's a superstar, like bro,
(06:57):
the president of Spain.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Did you he's got He's got that buddy that plays soccer.
That's like, really the man, I don't know nothing about soccer,
So I've.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Made friends with Sergio Ramos just by knowing illiots abore
you and.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
To me, that's awesome. On the podcast, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What I was. Did you see my suit Saturday? Did
you see that suit?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Were you wearing purple?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Bro? It was like it was like a maroon iss burn.
Let me tell you why we can't be friends anymore?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Get into fancy you, Kett. You kept your humble roots
for a long time. You were effing burgundy suits and
say your friends with Sergio Ramos. I don't know we
could do this.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You want to know why award before they go, hey,
you know we're Steve Harvey is gonna be there, I say, oh,
look me up there, because you know Steve.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Harvey the Guys and Family Feud.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know, Steve Harvey were is like that nice suit
all the time. I took a picture of him. I said, Steve,
they told me you were coming, dog, I SA, so
give me an he said, boy, you're crazy, DC you
the man. Boy, my god, I love Steve Harvey.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No. You know my favorite clip on almost all the internet,
there's just one step. I'm sure you had to see it.
So Steve Harvey does the Family Feud, which is a
great show that I watched. It is, and there's there's
an attractive woman and this dude and they're they're at
the buzzer, you know when they come up to the
buzzer you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And and this dude just starts wolfing at her, and
(08:25):
Steve Harvey's like, brow into your wife over there.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Have you seen that? Boy? He always like, I don't
want to be you tomorrow because hey, some of the
stuff they say on family feud, I'm like, these people
are crazy because they're married. Hold on, I'm trying to
find the picture of me and Steve. I walked right away.
He came up to me DC. What's up, boy, I said, Steve,
I said, they told me you were coming today. Baby,
(08:49):
I said, make my suit real night. Hey look at that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh my gosh, you're too funny. I love it because, okay,
we're friends again, because now now you're humble admitting like
you're so exciting. Meet Steve back like in two thousand
and ain't when I post that picture when you were
too scared to talk to them basketball players that I
didn't know him, and I had to go say, hey, man,
my friend wants a picture with you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Can we make this happen? Because guess what, bro, it's
hard like Bro. They told me this old story yesterday
where this famous rapper went up to Michael Jordan asked
for a picture and Michael Jordan, like custom bug went
crazy on him.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Michael Jordan, he's different, He's different, Bro.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Still it's hard to ask for photos. Anyhow, back to
Elliot to pour you. His son walks in there and
hands him a rose. He's got two, he's got that
little boy, and he's got a daughter and he just
had well did you see the kid? He and it
all works. It just kind of all works, Elliot to
pour you, Right, he's always well dressed, good looking kid,
(09:48):
beautiful family.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It didn't you ask him why he was so rich
or something?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Bro I had to ask him. Bro man his gym,
bro my gym in my house? No libral cage, hyperbaric chamber.
Uh wait, stuff, mats wall matts photos up maybe one
hundred and ten thousand dollars. His was two million in Spain.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Man, how does he have that? He is exaggerating?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
How does he have that money? No, because you know
you make your money, wants you to champion. I built
all that gym and it might have cost one hundred
and ten grand.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So what was his answer?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He said he does things outside of m and a.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh oh, man, my man's running some camgirls or some
some type of ring over there. Isn't he like the takes? Bro?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He was at he was shadow boxing on a Hello
pad at the top of his apartment. Building, which was unbelievable.
This guy's got some interesting it works.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Hey, I don't ask any more questions if I know any.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Let's said he still beats him, though, do.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You think crazy as ship? Give me a Batty.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Pimblet said he still beats him.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
They were scheduled to fight like Cage Warriors or something
in Cage Warriors or something.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know. Paddy Pimblet said he still believes he
beats them. Seriously, I just thought it on him. A
junkie said here, let me read it to you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I still I still believe I could be said July
of by wrestler at the World Championships tomorrow. You do not,
no no, I said, I was making your comparison.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Why look, Patty said, both is he called him, and
he called him he would beat him if they crossed paths.
He's a heavy heavy hand sanitizer boy with the wind
because he called him heavy hand sanitizer heavy. Well done, Iliot,
give you your due, lad, sixteen year old hand sanitizer boy.
(11:42):
I can't wait him to come back up to lightweight.
I still think I'd beat him, I really do.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
What is what is the hand saner comment.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Called him a hand sake because he's like scrubbing, like
opening the curtains or something. Chill was telling Menyboudy eyesterday.
It was weird. He said, he's just a hand sanitizer. Boy.
They were going to fight each other. That's weird the
watching that dude last weekend. You think Vogue beats him
in the rematch?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
No? Really, Volkanovski beats the Poria.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, I don't think he beats him. No.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Wow, that's mean when it since when do younger guys
get worse? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So that's the thing, right, they always say the younger
guy wins the rematch.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, always, they always get I mean they're getting better.
Twenty seven. Think about where you were at when you
were twenty seven. You were just coming into your prime.
You didn't even start fighting until, like, I don't know,
thirty one or something.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean, I started at thirty one years old.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Thirty one, That's what I'm saying. Twenty seven, that's just
going in your prime. Volkanoski has been in some wars.
I mean, I don't know. I'm honestly like, give Diego
Lopes a shot? Why not? Why not? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You want to give the new guy?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So Lopez beats him.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Nope, I'm think any yet, none of them right now.
He's the best. That's why he's the champion. He fought
up everybody. And you know, if you're I don't know what,
this very hard.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
This is hard because you actually don't love to just
give flowers that much.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, he's really good, Daniel rewind Louis. Go find this.
Whenever he beat up we were doing the show when
he beat up with it, Bryce Mitchell, well he beat
Bryce Mitchell up. I'm like, dude, that guy is really good.
Like I'm really like, yes, I do not get really impressed.
This is December ten, twenty twenty two. So somewhere on
that I watched him, I said, oh my god, this
(13:32):
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gonna say is I hope they follow the prayer strategy,
and I hope to Pouria wants to be active, and
I hope they keep rolling him out here every somewhere
between three and five months, right, keep him active, making
a gigantic star, because I think he's that good and
I think he can beat up all these guys no problem.
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, okay. Now, with that be insaid, he said he
would submit Islam.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I would wait a couple of fights for that. If
I if I were the UFC, I would say, hey, guy, hey,
you know, we'll we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We will do that. I'm as armand that's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Is Islam as armand so you got at least one
more fight for Islam, you know. And let's say, if
Chandler beats OLIVERA, they said they would give him a
chitle shot, so I think they would probably. I think
they'd probably want to honor that. I think Dana really
likes Michael Chandler, so they would they would probably honor that.
(15:58):
So that gives you We'll say a year ish, maybe
a little more to to continue to build ilia. And
then think about that if you if you've given him
two or three more fights and he's become the gigantic
star you got Islam who's won two more fights. Now
that's a mega mega mega fight.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a mega fight. And then yes, is that one
that you would consider it a much closer fight?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What that's one where I'd be like Aluise and I'd say, Danielle,
I've never asked you for anything. Give me a damn
front row seat to this, Louise, come on, man, we
have front row sea.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Front row seats. Luise literally sat what a fighter sat
at the sphere, bro, Luise literally sat in the front
row whenever they did it. I called the lated the UFC.
I go, why did you give him such a great
fucking I was all pissed off, bro, I was so
mad he's sitting next to just engage you the old time.
It was crazy, somebody. But that's a fight that you
(16:53):
think would be more competitive, because right now it sounds
like hell, do you think? But let me ask you,
do you think Armand can compete with Islam?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think it's a competitive fight, But I'm definitely leaning
towards Islam winning the fight. You know, Dustin had a
good battle Islam. But I think Islam's he's the champion.
So there's there are times when the person who is
a champion, and Chiell talks about this, the person and
you know, a great example would beat Morob and Sean.
(17:22):
Sean got the belt, but he did not fight Morob
on the way up right, and they had prevented Morob
from the shot. Morob had prevented himself a little bit
because he didn't want to fight Beljab and did it.
But when Sean got the belt, we weren't certain that
he was the best guy in the division because we're like, well,
there's this Morob guy who's really good, and he's got
to fight him to prove to us he's the best.
(17:42):
And there's other divisions that are like that. You honestly
a little bit like DDP and Shamaia at this point
in time.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Like you think Jamiah B's DDP.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I want to see it before I crown DDP. I mean,
he he is holding the belt right now. But you know,
like with wrestling, the thing we have we say we
have the World Championships tomorrow is like they're all going
to wrestle, and you know this Daniel wrestling is real
because there's no one who says, oh, if I were
to wrestled there, I'd beat everybody. It's like, yeah, shut up,
show up, show up. But you're not the best. That's it.
And fighting we don't always get that all the time.
(18:13):
But I feel like is the best in his division.
I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Beat the two best that I mean, Max had the
belt from sixteen to nineteen, then Volc at it from
nineteen to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's crazy, right, that's like, yeah, eight years we were
talking about. Yes, I said it was a while, but
eight years that's freaking insane.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah. So, but you feel like he's the best. But
then Hum's out your way breaks Robert Whitaker's teeth, and then.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That's that's crazy. They bumped him up ten spots in
this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Three Yes, yo, he breaks Robert Whitaker's teeth. Bro, he
squeezed Kevin Holland did you see his eyes?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
If they're like bloodshot red, what kind of squeezed? Does
Houm's out your way have have? Bro?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I want to hey, you know how they got that
little hands squeezer. Yes, yeah, I think that you said
they to make a bigger one. I've actually been thinking
about this, Daniel. You know the people. So if you
want to steal my idea, give me a few bucks whatever.
So for for right, for like a gut wrench or
a cradle or a rear naked choke. I've always thought
what they could do is they can make some type
of you know how like you there's a you get
(19:16):
a football and it's deflated, right, and you plug a
little thing in there and then you, you know, you
pump it up and it gets really like hard and strong. Right,
you make some type of device that has its own
air pump in it, kind of like out of you know,
you know those inflatable beds where it's like twist the
knob and they blow up.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, so you have a big like circular thing, right,
and you just practice crushing it look kind of like
I crushed the watermelons, and then it blows It blows
back up, right, and you squeeze it again and it
blows back up.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That would that would really that would help what you
got red squeeze for real?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Got red squeeze, cradle, squeeze, rear, naked chokes, right, all
this type of squeeze because.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You think about Ben Ben what let's keep this.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Okay, you can make just get through people, let me
let me just say I'll finish. So like you do.
You can do a.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Poll which don't put too much of the idea.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But there's nothing where we're connecting all of the muscles
at the same time. And that's what I tell my
I tell my dudes in practice, like you want to
squeezing people, you do. You get a hold on someone,
you gotta squeeze the ship out of them, like you
try to squeeze him as hard as you can every
single time you get in one of these positions.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That is a that is true. That's a great idea
for wrestling. Hey, so if Jamia is a minus two
hundred favorite over DDP, oh really, yes, Jamayah is a
minus two fifty favorite over Sean, But Sewan DDP is
minus one ten minus one ten, Right.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So I can't ask you a question now. Sometimes I
don't stay up on the news. Are DDP and Sean
Are they already on the schedule? Are they just so?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
DDP and Sean are supposed to fight once they're not
on the schedule. Costa, No, it's not scheduled. What's Shawn
all the costs that he said he's next, But then
Jamaiah does.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I think he might. He might skip Tremaiah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's what I'm gonna say, if you have to
your appointment. He said, you don't always feel like the
best guy is holding the title. If Jemiah his favorite
almost three to one against Sean, he's favorite two to
one against the champion, but the champion is fighting someone else,
do we really have the best guy in the division
(21:26):
fighting for the bill?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And and that's why I said, I think you skipped it.
I think you put Samiav in there now as as
the president. SHAMAIAV did look against Robert Whittaker, and he
looked awesome. You know, he's had fights where he hasn't
looked quite as awesome, right, so he had and Gilbert
Burg and Usman both those fights were really competitive where
(21:51):
you know he he was the better guy, but you thought, okay,
you know this could Uh, I'm not quite as convinced.
And then you watch him do what he did too
with a her, which Whinnaker alleges and you know he's
had that same injury twice. That's a weird injury, like
it's like a jawbreak, like right here, you know where
teeth got pushed back. So he said it's happened twice before,
(22:12):
So maybe that bonus weak. But that's because I mean,
I'm sure you said it. Uh, I mean you actually
you were being broadcasted. He said, holy crap, why do
you tap so fast?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That was so weird? Yeah I did. I was like,
wait what now I understand I have to seeing that.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That was what I thought. I thought, Oh my god,
what what just happened? Like I actually maybe it was
like the punch before the chn trapped like fast, like
a panicky tap like panicky so fast.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, it was like please please, please stop something. And
I was like, wow, Robert Woodaker would never tap to
something like that, not a neck crank. But then when
you see his teeth. So would you be okay with
them just putting your miya in there for the back?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yes, I'd be okay. Really, I actually I think that's
probably advisable.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Really, So you have advice for the the uh the
lost man?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yes? O again Ben?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
All right, guys, Hey, time for Funky's corner. So Ben
Francis Gottom fought last week and he beat an infrenata.
Dana White has long not been a fan of Francis.
Let's be honest, because he doesn't believe Francis is a
good guy. There were some things that happened into the
building of the first Miltich fight that really bothered Dana White,
(23:28):
and he just does not like Francis. Let me read
this to you, Dana White said, when asked about France
and Ghanu and uh the fight last weekend, he goes.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
They.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He said, Francis and Ghanu will never be back in
business with me. He said, I don't think about Francis
that much. You guys asked me a question about the PFL,
and I respond, other than that, the only one who
praying versus of Mises probably the PFL because they signed
a shitty contract with a guy that doesn't deliver any
numbers and he think it sells the pay per views.
(24:07):
So and they keep praying for this guy, however long
good for him, not good for them. He can play
those games if he wants. He would have made more
money here. I didn't like Francis as a person. White
said he wasn't a guy I wanted to do business with.
My boys were telling me he's misunderstood, and I told him,
when somebody shows you who they are, you gotta believe him.
(24:29):
It wasn't about him becoming an AVUE champion of the world.
Francis isn't a good guy. He plays the good guy.
I don't understand the language. So he seems like a
nice guy. He's not and just not a guy that
I wanted to be in business with. Period in the story,
whether he became the champion or not.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well I knew you're going to lead me
into this, so I will just go it is. I mean,
I obviously had the same experience with Dana, and you know,
I mostly think Data does a great job obviously as
a businessman. Strictly judging that he does an amazing job.
I think he showed a lot of courage when he
brought the UFC back for all of the professional sports,
(25:08):
for example. I respect that a lot. I love that
he's stuck up for his friend Donald Trump when everyone
wanted to crap on him. So there's a lot of
things that are very respectable about Data's personality. But in
my own experience, and actually we were at the meeting
together in twenty thirteen. It was the Monday after Jones
fought Gustafson, and as you know, you can vouch me.
I wasn't offered a contract. I went in there. I
(25:30):
pretty much said, listen, guys, I want to be done
with Balatore. I want to prove him the best in
the world, and I want to fight the beast, and
that's it. That's all I want to do. And I
was not offered a contract, to which point then Dana
spent years lying saying I didn't want to fight the best,
I didn't want challenges, I was running away, and like
that couldn't have been further from the truth. And so
it sucked to have this guy, Like essentially it is
(25:51):
essentially slander. I wasn't going to do a lawsuit or anything,
but saying things about me that I knew weren't true.
And Dana has this part about person when he can't
get what he wants, and like in that case, he
didn't offer me a contract, so he kind of got
what he wanted. But then I think because I was
continued to have success and people will continue to follow me,
he didn't he wanted to be off in a dark
(26:12):
corner where everyone ignored me or something. I don't know,
but you know, he's done the same thing with Cyborg.
I believe Randy could tour had a similar experience obviously
now Francis, if I thought really hard, I could probably
think of some other ones. But there is this weird
part of Dan's personality where if he doesn't get exactly
what he wants, he just starts crapping on people. And
because he has a big microphone, and because he is
(26:34):
generally very truthful and generally he's correct, so people just
believe him. And so I had to deal with many
years of Dan telling lies about me that were were
just really harmful to me, that he had no reason
or basis for doing. I wanted to fight the best
in twenty thirteen and therefore, you know anytime forward, and
(26:55):
you know, so then he got me in twenty nineteen
when I was you know, I probably we should have
had a hip replacement prior to that, but it was like, Hey,
this is my opportunity. I'm gonna take it. I don't
care if I'm not I'm not optimized where I should be, Like,
I get an opportunity I take an opportunity and I'm
not going to complain about it, but yeah, I would
have loved to have that in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
How about now do you see Dana when you see Dana? Like,
how are you guys?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Now, I don't see Dana ever?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
You've never seen him since you finished fighting?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
No, I never. I haven't seen Dana since I finished fighting.
I mean, I just I'm not in that world anymore.
Like I don't really train very many fighters, if any.
I do this with you, but I don't do too
much more. I've kind of like said, I just do
my own thing. I coach wrestling. I enjoy coaching wrestling.
I tweet a little bit. I wrote a couple of books.
I guess, hey, by extreame balance, you know, so I
(27:44):
do a few things. But no, I'm kind of out
of that world a little bit. And I observe it
and I watch it and I enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This like this, this gives you like PTSD.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Uh No, Like I'm totally okay with what happened, and
watch it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'm not talking about I'm not talking on you losing.
I'm talking about like it's a world that you somehow
broke away from like do you really want to be
involved in it? Is the question.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I like coaching more wrestling more than I like coaching fighting.
If the right fighter came around and said, hey, would
you would you help me? I think I would.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think you would do a tremendous job as a coach.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think you should coach MMA fighters.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
If someone came to me and said, hey, Ben, I
want you to train me, I think I would probably
I would. I would take that on. But you know,
it's one of those things where it's like when you
live your life, you live it moving forward, and it's
like I can't go back to twenty thirteen and to
have a redo. I will tell you, Uh. I do
get jealous a little bit, like say what a chimaya is?
Like fuck, I could have done that in twenty thirteen
to people, you know, and I did. I didn't get
(28:44):
the opportunity to do and Dani stole that from me.
But you got to say, like, hey man, you know,
that's how life works. Sometimes sometimes you don't give what
you want. I have moved on. I have a pretty
fucking great life, so I'm good with it. But let's
not let's not not acknowledge that part of Dana's person
that that's a really big negative. And I don't know
why he's like that, and it doesn't really make sense
(29:06):
given this the stature and the power that he has
for him to throw little fits when he doesn't get
exactly what he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm gonna ask him about it next time I see him.
I like he Ben was asking about this part of this.
I'll ask him and I'll tell it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think, even as much as he probably respects you,
this weird part of his personality, he probably will not
give you a straight answer. I'll probably give you some
type of bullshit answer because you can. You know this.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You know me.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
In twenty thirteen, I would have been more than happy
to sign a contract in which I was paid less
than a fair wage to have the ability to prove
that I was best in the world. That's what I
wanted to do. I didn't get that breetity to do that.
And you know me, and you know I would have done.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, you tell you out for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Like I don't know what he's gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I remember us walking in there together. Yeah, I remember
us walking in there together.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, So I don't know what. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I walked out of there too and said, okay, we
couldn't really come to an agreement, and I was like, well,
I'll just fight and then we'll see what I'm what I'm.
We had the same kind of attitude, right, like, just
pay me whatever, I'll fight and beat these guys. Yeah,
and then we'll figure it out.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. And honestly, that was kind of my thing, is
like I'll take I will take a shitty Patriot to
get in the door because I had that much faith
in myself that I'm gonna go do what I need
to do and then I will achieve it. And listen,
if I can't achieve it, maybe I don't deserve it.
Like that was kind of how I thought about it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's life. That's life. Hey, real quick, Dana wants Tony
Ferguson to retire. I think we're all in agreement there.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I think we're all in agreement there, like Tony needs
to be.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Done, yes, yeah, and that's what we did.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He not get cut? Did he not get cut after
that last fight?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't believe. I think Dana doesn't want to cut
him because Dana knows that he actually still has a
big name and could command money. I think that if
he cuts him, he just knows he'll go fight somewhere
else for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, that's why I think he doesn't cut him. I
think he doesn't cut him because I think he knows
he's gonna keep going to fight for less money and organization.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Where it's a big deal to them. It'll be a
big deal to have Tony Ferguson for that.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, that too. But it also is like in the UFC,
you can almost protect them with certain matchups like Michael
Kissa's fight. That wasn't that dangerous? Some matchup fight Michael Kissen.
What's he gonna do? Submit you they're gonna hurt you. Yeah,
you go fight those Russian organizations. They may put him
in there with a twenty two year old killer and
he can get really hurt. That's why I think they
(31:27):
don't cut him. I think they don't cut him because
if you cut him, he's still gonna go fight. I
just don't know where, all.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Right, Bill, you know, but that's okay. I mean on
that thought, it's like, hey, data can't everybody wants and
in this one, he's probably right if Tony pr sure
retired to move on, but we are all human beings
with their own freedom, and so he should allow Tony
have the freedom to do what he wants.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, Tony wants to stay in the UFC. He doesn't
want to go anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But this is where data. In this case, you could say, unfortunately,
you've lost eight in a row. You're just not competitive
enough to be here. Sorry, I love you your cut, you know,
I think you stop fighting. But you're a man. You
can do what a man wants to do.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He said, I'm too Tony said he's too old to retard. Alright, Ben, guys,
that's another episode of funking the Champ. We've been asking him,
Daniel Cormier. We'll catch you guys on the next one. Peace. Peace,
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