November 5, 2024 • 34 mins
Colin talks to 3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman about the Chiefs and how they've changed since Edelman and the Patriots were going to-toe-to with Patrick Mahomes in the AFC
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our number three Tuesdays, Flying by Tomorrow.
Tom Brady's on the show, Rams coach Sean McVay is
on the show It's the Hurt. Julian Edelman fifteen minutes
from Now Jmax floated that Yannis to the Knicks trades
got me all worked up. I think it makes sense.
Trades make sense when both people get big value. Even
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if the Bucks got better, they have no future. Dame's
getting older, Brook Lopez middle, they're just too old. They're
not gonna beat Boston. I don't think they could beat
the Knicks. They're not gonna be OKC. And then the
Knicks need great, got good. Brunson really shouldn't be your
number one player, he should be a one A. You
are a great team. I said, it's about the Celtics.
When Dereck White is arguably your fourth best player, you
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are a great team. If Brunson's your best player, you're
a good team. If he's your second best player, you're
an exceptional team. If he became your third best player,
you're a title team.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's just not happening. He's not becoming your third.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, I'm saying I like Brunson, but that that's the
way I've always looked at it. When when the Warriors,
when Draymond Green was your fourth or Klay Thompson was
your fourth best player, that's historic. When Tony ku coach
is your fourth best player, then you're an all time team.
Brunson can't be a one. I'm not saying you couldn't
if other teams got hurt. But when Derek White, who's
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a better defender than Brunson, shoots a better three than Brunson,
When Derek White's your four and Brunson's your one, you're
not beating Boston.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So this youth sound like the guy who says you
got it just you have to have a franchise quarterback.
You gotta pay him and all you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Do like you do.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But we just went through it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
All the highest paid quarterbacks are not even a playoff
team right now, all of them except for Jordan Love,
who's a wildcard team.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Let's be honest about this. To beat the Chiefs, Mahomes Reid,
you have to have an a coach and an a
quarterback to beat them rock Perty in the super Bowl,
it's not an a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You don't have close.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
They dominated that game. Come not an a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
There's only four teams in the league I think can
beat them that have beat the Chiefs. It's coach, quarterback, Coma,
Baltimore Chargers, Rams, Detroit Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So Dan Campbell Jared goff is better than saying they would.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But goffs better than Purty easily.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
We're upsetting the Apple card here, Colin.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I'm telling you the new model is going to be
pay your quarterback less. You don't need a superstar, break
the bank guy, that's how you build.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
We're seeing that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I don't think God is a superstar, right you don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, he's a ver. He's an a quarterback, not a plus,
but he's a all right. The Chiefs, who have an
A plus plus quarterback state undefeated last night after beating
Tampa Bay and you can always tell when a team
is truly superior to the rest of the league when
opposing fans start blaming the refs on a weekly basis.
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Speaker 1 (03:30):
All right, welcome back Julian Edelman, Fox Sports Analyst, twelve years,
three Super Bowl rings. He has his podcast it's called
Games with Names, new episodes every Tuesday. So I want
to start with a two point conversion. So Nick Wright
disagreed with me. My take is, when you're facing a
Brady am A Holmes, you're on the road, you're missing pieces.
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I don't want to go to overtime. If I can
steal it and get on my United Airlines flight home,
I'm good. I would have gone for I just just
get me out of this place. Would you have gone
forward if you were the coach.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
In that specific situation, No, because the Buccaneers probably couldn't
get the two point conversion all their red area targets
with Chris Godwin gone, Mike Evans, there's no one to
throw to. Aughton had a really good game. But you
mean to tell me you think Spagnola wouldn't have had
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something up his sleeve for that two point play, you know.
And and by that time, all those short area red
area plays for the Buccaneers have already been ran, so
they already have beat on something. I just don't think
Todd Bowles thought they could win the game there. And
you know, it was sloppy, rainy day. Kicking conditions were
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kind of weird. You know, anytime you have those kind
of games, anything could happen. And you know, unfortunately they lost,
but I don't think they could win. I don't think
the Buccaneers could win.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So Mahomes has one. I looked it up. Patrick Mahomes
is forty seven and nineteen in his career by games decided,
including the playoffs, touchdown or less. And it's just weird
to watch them. They're obviously good. They've gotten to a
point now where I just want to late. I feel
very much like you guys. I just look at that
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game last night. I'm like, I don't care Tampa's driving,
candidacy is gonna win the game. Yeah, that's just how
I looked at Brady in his prime. Yeah, you guys
would figure out a way Situationally, she's had a smarter coach,
smarter quarterback. Is what do you see that I do.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I see a very confident team, but I see a
focused team. This team understands how to improve each week.
I guarantee they're gonna look at this game and the
offense is probably gonna say, and Patrick and Andy Weed
are gonna probably say, we could have won that game
if we would have got that first down instead of
going that three and out in that four minute offense situation.
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That's how they think, or worthy steps out of bounds
or worthy steps out of bounds. They're thinking about how
can we improve our team for next week. That's why
I think they're a focused team and they're running on
They're a machine right now. And we talked about last
time I was on. There's situational plays they always do
well on, you know, and that's because they prepare for
those plays. They know the games come down between a
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few third downs here that you have to get off
the field when you're on defense, so you have to
extend a drive or a red area play. They were
unbelievable in the red area last night. They were great
on third down YEP, watching DeAndre Hopkins there be on
the same page with the confident, focused Patrick Mahomes is
something I would have expected. A veteran type guy that
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knows space, that knows zone. That's great in the red area,
that's great on third down. I think they're gonna be
very tough to beat it. It's gonna be up to
the field. They're gonna be up to the field. It's
gonna be up to you know, Baltimore. Can we can
we can we catch some demons, you know, chase the
demons out because they haven't done well in playoffs along
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with the Bills.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Whoever D hop comes in eight catches. I mean, obviously
Andy's stuff is fairly sophisticated. Were you, I mean, did
you in New England? I always think defense is easier.
That's more search and destroy offenses, choreography at the trade deadline.
Can guys come in and quickly learn an not like
I was surprised D hop was that good in red
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zone situations.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, well, there's only so many red area plays. Now,
we didn't see DeAndre Hopkins on one of those little
whoopedie woo behind the back right screenplays or shuffle pass
the turtle slant where you know you can understand that,
you know, a player of his experience is played in
the red area for a long time, that they were
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going to find something. It reminded me a lot of
when you have a receiver that understands the game, like DeAndre.
It's kind of like when Randy went over with Tom
and they didn't even have any training camp, they didn't
have anything together because Randy, I think had a hamstring
with that first game. Instant chemistry because they are both
very smart football players and you got a quarterback that
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knows the receivers the way he could see, Like like
when you watch that that first game when Tom threw
that that those balls that t Randy like, that was
a chemistry that was just there. It was very similar
to like the Hopkins last night making that slant. So
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I think when you have two smart football players, I
got lost to train of thought on there, but I
was going down something. But you have two smart football players,
things will happen.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You know. It's interesting that you said this that Sean
Payton Noah says this the best time to be a
coach is you win, but don't play great, so you
can coach them hard. Did Belichick was there ever a
moment during and there may have been many, but during
the regular season, you know, before the tough games of January,
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that Bill came in on a Tuesday and said, that's
a great performance. Or did he avoid that.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He avoided that. There was never really a great performance.
There was there was like fellas, we're on the right page,
we're on the we're in the right direction. But that
that's how I think great coaches think. It's not about
what you've done great, It's about how can we improve
and get ourselves to that last game to have our
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best football performance the last game of the year. And
I'm sure Andy Reid is probably similar. He probably delivers
it differently, but I'm sure that he addresses everything that
they could have done better in that game last night,
just like builded it, probably in a different manner to us,
you know what I mean. So I think the great
coaches find a way to be able to improve the team,
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whether you guys do really good or really bad. That's
what that's ultimately what the NFL season regular seasons for
is improving your team to the absolute best. For when
you get in the dance, you got a shot.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So the Eagles have beaten bad teams Giants, Brown's, Bengals,
Jags four game winning Strake Hurts is not turning the
ball over. Yeah, well, bad teams don't force it into mistakes.
Good teams do. Do you buy Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I mean I had a State of the Union on
our show Fox Morning Kickoff about this this last weekend,
saying that you know, the leadership of that organization right
now is just too noisy. They have a lot of talent, yes,
at a lot of key positions, but losing a Jason
Kelce in offensive line is someone who you think that
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was able to probably go into the coach's office and
talk to Sirianni or address the coaching.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Kally admits he did, but he was there.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean they don't have that anymore. I don't
think Jalen Hurts is that kind of guy. I don't
think he's gonna go for confrontation and right now, like
there's just been a lot of episodes, can I can
I bet on Sirianni going out and beating a Detroit
in a playoff game with a lot of these behaviors
or like the noise that we've heard and I know
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it's only the middle of the season. But you know,
like they haven't played anyone really that great, and they're
not gonna play anyone really that great going forward playing
in their division. The Giants twice in Dallas twice, So
they're gonna have a great record. It's gonna come down
to can they beat the good teams when they have
to play the good teams? And right now I just
can't pick them with how the leadership's been going.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I was talking this morning to a couple of
former college basketball players and we were talking about Yukon
and Dan Hurley, and I said, they play with NBA
physicality as college kids, and the secret is they practice hard.
Ye Hurley's like they He'll never embarrass his players publicly.
He rides them at practice. So and I think about physicality.
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All New England teams were physical, and I didn't think
you always had the best player. So the Chargers take
the exact same defensive last year that was a mess.
They're number one in the league right now. Now they
may not be the number one defense, but they're playing
like it. And I think myself, how the hell it's
the same, dudes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like, what.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
How did Bill cultivate create physicality? Because you know, you
always said this, every team's different. There were times Teddy
Bruce Key teams would be tough because of Teddy and
Rodney that You're guaranteed you didn't always have bangers at safety.
You never Bruce Ki forever. How did Bill create toughness?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
We practiced it, and I guarantee that's probably what Harball
is doing over in LA, like they probably practice one
on one blocking and tackling. You'd be surprised on how
many teams don't practice tackling, which is like the number
one thing on being able to break a tackle or
make a tackle, block a guy or own block guy.
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Like we would practice those one on one battles all
the way until the Super Bowl, really at least once
a week. And that's what I see with San Diego.
They're fundamentally sound right now. At the offensive line, they're
getting a lot better. They've improved on the defense line.
They stay in their gaps, they don't have these crazy
pass rushes where they get past the quarterback like they
have in the past, where they're undisciplined. They just seem
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to be fundamentally more sound. They understand their roster that
they don't have a huge guy in the outside where
they're gonna, you know, be able to have explosion plays.
They understand that they can only throw the ball a
certain amount of times with Herbert and not going to
force some thirty five times down the field with no weapons.
So like, they understand their roster and they fundamentally have
gotten more strong.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Are you surprised how good I think bo Nix's played well.
I thought Drake May look good this weekend. I think
Jadeen Daniels, I think he's a top ten twelve quarterback.
I just think he is. Caleb's struggling. That could be
coaching staff, whatever, But it does feel like and JJ
McCarthy looked very good in the preseason. Yeah, but then
before he got hurt. Are you surprised how Like I
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watched Jadeen and Daniels, I'm like, it looks easy. And
I watched Drake May this weekend without much to work with,
and I was like, oh, yeah, he can play. Feet
are messed up, but he can play. Does that surprise you.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
No, it doesn't. There's a lot of great coaches right now.
A lot of these guys have been throwing in these
passing camps seven on seven's. I think guys are transitioning
a lot quicker. You look at the receiver position. When
I first got in the league, it took a while
for a receiver to get acclimated to the NFL with
the terminology, the space scene. What your breaks in two
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thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, so thirteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, fifty to fifty My bad. So when you broke
into the league, you didn't go to seven on seven camps.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
We didn't have that. Really, that wasn't coming around. It
was very rare.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So college for you, college to pro it was like
high school to college.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yes, you when you got into college for the first time,
that's when you were really seeing different kind of coverages.
And it's still very vanilla, right, you know, there was
not a lot of scheme. You either saw, you know,
post safety zone, a blit zone which everyone sees with
cover three or cover two or cover four. You know. Now,
now these kids are seeing all these coverages a lot
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sooner because they have to scheme in these seven on
seven pass camps, right, and so then you get pattern
recognition a lot faster and quicker. So I think it's
helping these younger players transition a lot quicker. You know,
this is the information age. These guys can go see
how the best quarterbacks train, how the best running backs train,
the best receivers train, what they do in the offseason,
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how they take care of their body, how they're studying.
Like a lot of things are available now, so you're
seeing guys transition a lot quicker. I think.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, so Detroit's offensive line, Maul's people. Yeah, and I
remember ray Lewis telling me this years ago. I asked
ray Lewis one of the all time tough guys. I said,
was there ever a team you didn't like to play?
He said, I hated playing Kansas City. Yeah, Willie Rowe,
He's like, I would just come out of that thing
I had to, you know, I would. I would do
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like is spirituality. Saturday night, here comes Kansas City. It's
gonna be a miserable game. And you remember when you may
not remember this, Kansas City had about a six year
stretch when they just had huge offensive lines three point
thirty across the board. Willie Roafe was one of their great.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
We have Brian's who was the guard.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I know, I know who?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, Okay, So I watched Detroit and I've said There's
been three great offensive lines in the last ten years.
The Tyrone Smith, Zach Martin that the early Dallas went to,
the Philadelphia one, and Detroit's. Now there were moments against
Green Bay where literally Piney Sewell pushed his guy out
of the TV screen. Do you ever remember in New
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England you always had because of Dante's Garnett, you had
good offensive lines. They weren't dominant, they were good. Do
you do you remember when you play a team like
a Detroit. Belichick the other day on the other network
was like, you just hope they make mistakes. You know,
they're just big, got better players. Go to a game
in your career, because I think that's what Detroit does.
They're just better. Yeah, go to a team. Was there
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ever a team that you played New England played during
Belichick and Belichick acknowledged privately, Listen, that's the best we've
ever faced, either that receiving court, that second like Baltimore's
secondary for years.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Would Bill just be honest with you guys, because I
think when you face Detroit you have to be honest
with your team.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Remember we played those those Denver teams and they had
you know, they had really good receivers. You know, it
wasn't necessarily announced to the team, but you'd have like
a coach come, come hit you in the locker room
or hit you in the hallway, like you know, we
need you to do really good on this third down.
We got to keep this offense off because these guys
are going to score a lot of points.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Is not the Peyton Manning teams a lot p manning teams,
you know.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I remember a little bit of that. Yeah, there's there's
always a little game planning for how you have to
to play offense if you're going against a very explosive,
very good offense, and that's by elongating drives and having long,
methodical drives to keep them off the field. Anytime we
play those Peyton Manning teams, that was kind of like
what we really wanted to do. Let's keep them on
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the on the other sideline and let's just execute what
we want to do keep them off. And Yeah, I
think a lot of that goes into game plan for
very good offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, I think Detroit and.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Physical teams and teams that are gonna score points, like
we were a game plan team. You know, there's sometimes
you know, joh I would never be in those coaches meetings,
but you know, Josh would come into the offense say, hey, fellows,
we're gonna have to get thirty five points this week.
It's just one of those games. Yeah, and we can
do it. We have the matchups on the outside where
we have to do it because they're gonna score points.
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National Football League they got a good quarterback too. Early
in those Kansas City years when we were playing the
young Patrick Mahomes, we knew we had to score some points.
Or those you know, those those Rams teams when Statford
first got there, or the guy Off years when we
would play those guys when they had that fifty to
fifty one game, or that that we played Kansas City
like a week after or something. So you know, you
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definitely have to game plan and think of those things,
but ultimately it comes down to what each guy has
to do on his job each play, and when you
do that, that's when you have your best shot.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Do you remember the Mahomes game when you beat him?
Do you remember it?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah? We do, I do. That was a regular season game.
I think it was like a week seven or week eight.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
We beat them, I think thirty to thirty three or something.
It was just high flying. It was it was. It
was a good game. It was a good game. Yeah,
they were still young. They just didn't they weren't there
at defense that well. Yet they weren't. They weren't there
at the defense side. Yeah, there were you know, we
had we had a lot of matchups that we liked,
uh but at offensively, you knew that they were going
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to score points.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That was the Tyreek team.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I was Tyreek, but I felt like we always played
him pretty well.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You know, we always controlled the game the way you
had to. We always kept them off the field. You know,
we'd have to put the pressure on Mahomes throw not
throwing to his best guy that you know, we'd always
have some kind of exotic thing on defense, that a wrinkle,
we do something completely different offense. I just remember we
were against the teams like that. We'd always end the
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game running the ball they'd break, We'd always stick to
the run. By the end, you'd see Rex Burkhead in
an end zone or you know, you know, you see
Lagarrett Blunt with a forty yard chunk play because we
would stick to it and we knew that was the
game plan Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He has got a podcast, Games with Names. He's on
the NFL Fox Kickoff Sunday's eleven Eastern on Fox. Good
See Anybody Good to see guys, We'll take a break,
come back. Herd Line News around the Corner live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
By the way, the Steelers aren't done. Pittsburgh just traded
with the Green Bay He's a veteran guy, Preston Smith,
so opposite of TJ. Watt, you'll have Preston Smith. So
Green Bay is very, very young. They're paying Jordan Love
a ton, so you know they gotta they gotta get
some cheap guys in the draft because Jordan Love now
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is one of the bigger cap hits. So one of
the NFL's best defenses improved. So Preston Smith goes over
to the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Pittsburgh Mike Williams, Preston Smith.
They're not they're not necessarily changing outcomes. But I think
Pittsburgh is looking at Kansas City with d Hop and
they're like, Okay, they're better. And they're looking at Baltimore
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with Deante Johnson, all Right, they're better now watching Amari
Cooper with Buffalo, Okay, they're better Pittsburgh's And Pittsburgh's also
telling you, we don't know how long Russell Wilson's gonna
be here. We don't have any idea he's here now.
Russell Wilson's not getting younger. We're playing good. I like
what Pittsburgh's doing. I think Marshawn Laddam the best move
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of the day. Preston Smith, to me is the is
the second best move of the day with Zadarius Smith
to the Lions. Good be solid b move, two good organizations,
Steelers Packers exchanging picks and players. Preston Smith is a good,
solid defensive end. But I think a lot of this
goes into Washington's making their big move because they're like,
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we're not paying Jayden Daniels anything for four years. Let's
if we have to overspend a little bit on a corner,
it's our weakness. And I think I think the Steelers
look at it and think, listen, we're not going to
go up against Lamar, Josh Allen, Mahomes or a Herbert
and have the better quarterback, but we can have the
better pass rush and the better defense. So Pittsburgh I
think recognizes their way to win, which is great defense,
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no mistakes, little ball control. So let's make our defense better.
I like it. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, no, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So much happening in the last two days.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
We didn't even talk about Drake may who I thought
was pretty phenomenal in a loss to the Titans over
the weekend. He made great plays all afternoon, including the
game tying touchdown as time expired. His teammate Devin Sorry
Devon Godshow anointed him Josh Allen two point zero, but
Gerard Mayo was quick to shut down that comparison.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I call him Drake May at one point, I don't
want to get in the comparisons of Josh Allen's the
multi year Pro Bowl quarterback and we're here at the
beginning stages of for a developing quarterback. Though I think
we're all excited about he's trying to make plays. He's
trying to do what he thinks is best to help
the team win. And I appreciate that. And at the
same time, you know, we have to make sure that
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he's protecting himself.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, he's not Josh Allen as a prospect, but he's good.
His feet are messed up a little bit. I didn't
like his feet out of college. I don't love him now.
But he moves well, big kid. I mean, obviously Brissette
couldn't move the team. Drake May comes in and moves
the team with ninety five yards rushing. You know, he's
an athlete. How many said he's.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Out the game, losing interception in overtime field listen, but
he's got no weapons and again nothing. I was higher
on Drake May than I was Jaden Daniels coming in.
That looks silly. But Drake May has shown, Oh my gosh,
here's what the problem is. We saw Mayo in August
saying that, like Jacoby Brissette was the best quarterback on
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the roster, blah blah blah. Like anybody who's seen a
little Drake May is like, what on earth will you see?
May has been so much better than Persett. Totally changes
the dimensions of this team. Patriots are going to be
interesting going forward.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I think this team has something.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
In the NFL, you either have a great quarterback and
you know it, or you think you have a potentially
great quarterback and a New England's in the second class.
Is that they're looking at this and they're like, we're
never going to be this untalented again on offense. This
is the least talent Drake may will ever have. My
only concern is the coach. I feel like he is.
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It feels kind of like poor Man's Belichick, a little
bit like.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Who was it got Jim tom Sula? You remember that
It's not that that level of bad.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't think it's bad. I just think you start
looking around the AFC and it's John Harbond, Jim Harbord,
Andy Reid and Sean Payton. It jirod Mayo could be fine,
but a B coach in a conference with a coaches
everywhere is rough.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And they were in on Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Remember they tried to go after Ayuk because they thought,
you know, Ayuk plus may I think if any of
these wide receivers are.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Squirrely, are they going to return? Do they want to
go somewhere?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think the Patriots are going to be in the
mix they got they need a massive talent infusion column,
offensive line receiver.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
They got nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Well, and the good news they have a very reasonable
chance to have the number one pick. So that's and
you just trade down once you have your quarterback trade down?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Well wait, hold on, do you think you would keep
May and trade the one?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Or do you say I like you do here better
than Max?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
No, you keep May? You don't want to start over again.
May is clearly good enough to be a good quarterback
in the league. Clearly you can spot stuff early, size, mobility,
He's gotten significantly better from the first time we saw him.
So he's obviously coachable, he's adaptable, and he's working with
This is the worst team he'll ever play for. New
England will never have this little of talent because they're
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gonna have draft picks. So do I still contend I
do not understand moving off Jacoby Myers. I'll never get
in the stage. It was like moving off DJ Moore
for the Panthers and then drafting Bryce Young. What are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Was it that was on Belichick? Or was I forget that?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I didn't get that. Listen, if you have a quarterback,
there's two or three things you need the right coach,
a left tackle, and a great number one weapon. Jacoby
Myers is a really good NFL player. Now he's in
no man's land in Vegas. They can't get him the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Next story is the Ravens defense looked really good in
that forty one to ten beat down of the Broncos,
but overall.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The defense is regressed from last year.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
One of the worst form Orman's game against Joe Burrow
in Week five. Burrow had about four hundred yards offense
and five touchdowns. They have a massive showdown Thursday Night.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Corner Marlin Humphrey of the Ravens says, the poor play
is on the players.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
For me as a as a player, as no knowing
what's going on. I hate I hate seeing coaches get
under scrutiny when it's the player's fault. You know, I
felt that there was you know, this ain't being coached
this way, right, This ain't being this.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
This is being this.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's a little different, but it really sucks when.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
What we're putting, the products we're putting out there isn't
what we're being coached, isn't what we're practicing, and that's
that's kind of what hurts me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, I kind of want to fire on the Bengals
in this game Bengals Ravens, But I don't know about
t Higgins.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean this for six and a half, down to six,
I think it's gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's a divisional rematch, a game in Baltimore. It's a
night which is dangerous. But these historically the divisional rematches
are close.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Well, I just familiarity with each other, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I generally speak, like a couple of weeks ago, I
took Colts against the Texans. It's just divisional game, you know.
If you start looking what's happening in the NFL right now,
best quarterbacks are winning the games, and Lamar and Burrow
they're just both great, so I can't and Baltimore is
a much better operation. I feel bad for Burrow. Burl's
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getting very snippy, and I don't blame him. I think
he's upset with his ownership. And I think I think
you look at all the quarterbacks right now in the
league that are very very good. Josh Allen, good players, Lamar,
good players, Herbert, they have good players and Khalil mack Abosa,
Derwin James, good players, Mahomes good players, golf, good players,
Jalen Hurts, good players. You start looking at all these
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good quarterbacks, they all have good players. There's one really
good quarterback and you're like, you didn't have much to
work with. It's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
How ticked would you be? You were within two minutes
of winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And the only quarterback in the league that's really really
good that you're like, well, get him some help. There's
only one right now in the league. It's Joe Burrow.
If you took Jamar Chase out, what do they have.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, we'll see what happens with t Higgins this offseason.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh, he's not coming back.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
So you lose.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Higgins, you lost Mixon, you lost Boyd.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
It's just just the Jamar and Joe show. Anyways, Final
stories college football Colin. Early this morning, USC announced a
change at quarterback Miller Moss, who I.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Think after week one you were saying as a heisman.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Tropher, What come on, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
He's been benched, Yeah, in favor of UNLV transport transferred
Jaden my Uva.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The Trojans have lost four or five. They are reeling.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
They got a big game against Nebraska in I guess
two weeks. So Lincoln Riley's got the bye week and
he's gonna let the new guy.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You know what, shot.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He sat behind Caleb for two years. He almost transferred.
He wanted his shot, he had it, and he's just
not athletic enough.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
He just he was good early in the season. Well
I didn't watch the Washington game, but the bottom line
is he doesn't move the pocket at all. So I
think Lincoln Riley's better with a quarterback Kyler Murray Caleb Williams.
If you look at Lincoln's history, he's better when a
quarterback moves, and he doesn't. He's a pocket quarterback, so
he's very old school. He's certainly capable of playing, but
I think over the course of time he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know, listen, if you Jared Goff works as a
pocket quarterback because the O line in the run game
so dominant. But the USC doesn't have a dominant run game,
so the only way to extend drives is to extend
the pocket, and they get into these third and fives.
And I mean it basically, if you have a quarterback
that can move like USC's back up, it adds thirty
percent playbook, So you can blame Lincoln Riley, but when
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you have a pure pocket passer and a young O line,
you can't do seven step drops. You got to get
rid of the ball. They have one decent running back.
He doesn't move. It's a very limited offense. But I
felt like it wasn't against When Lincoln Riley gets an
off season for one game, they look great against LSU.
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But then everybody gets film him and you're right, oh,
he doesn't move from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Three takes against Washington.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
No, I watched it.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I saw the highlight. I'm not watching USC football.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So it's just it's it's pocket quarterbacks. It again. It
works if you have a dominant run game and online
like Detroit. But even guys like Brock Purty, who I
don't love, he moves so I can add more plays
to the playbook.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
You're close to the program.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
The only thing I'll say is a lot of Hey,
the media, you're stay out of practice.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Don't ask my guys that question. It's the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I hear a lot of blaming everyone else. At some point,
Lincoln Riley's got to like, look in the mirror, dude.
He's just not been a good coach.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, let's see, I think I don't like that either.
I think the bigger issue is I don't think they
have enough good players. He has not done a good
job building a fence around Southern California. They don't get
any I mean, they got one one or two really
good California players going and basically California. Southern California is
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being rated by big ten schools Alabama, A and M,
SEC is having SEC is having more success recruiting top
players in California than USC, so that that's a problem.
And they can't buy the players like Oregon's got a
bigger budget. So there's the questions. To me, it's not
like Lincoln can't coach. It's a very young team and
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they just don't have enough really elite players. They've got
good players. They don't look like Ohio State. They don't
look like Georgia Texas. They don't they don't they don't
look like I mean, I've watched Notre Dame a couple
times this year. Notre Dame's got some dudes. Now, they're
not a great team, yeah, but they've got some great players.
You can see them on TV every Saturday, Jmack with
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a news.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. It's
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, you guys come out like vultures and
wolves when USC you know, struggling a little bit. They're
leading all these games, they just can't close the games.
So you make a move on the show tomorrow, Tom
Brady and Sean McVay. So here's the trade so far
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on trade deadline today. My favorites Marshawn Lattimore to the
Commander solves a major issue. He's a very good player.
My second favorite is Preston Smith to the Steelers. I
think Pittsburgh knows, let's just add to a good defense.
We're not going to outscore the Kansas City's, the Baltimore's,
the Buffalo's. I would say Zadarius Smith to the lines
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is solid. Outside of that and the mingo to the
Cowboys is fourth round pick us too much. He is
not a guy that separates. He is a big, physical
kind of a physical it was a linebacker. He doesn't
separate and so he is on any team a third
or a fourth receiver. He was overdrafted by Carolina, now
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the and now the basically the Cowboys have over compensated Carolina.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
To tre for it.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's funny the best moves were done. What a week
ago or two weeks ago when the Ravens and Bills
made their moves real contenders, I'd say a lot of
these are pretenders.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
De hop to the chief Outside Alliance.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Early returns are good.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It looked pretty good last night. Oh just stop, It
really didn't.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Now, So weren't you how's this you watched the Chiefs?
Was that like a tri visially stimulating game? Did they
look fun? I didn't see any trick plays. It was
kind of boring, wasn't it? My kareem hunt into the.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Line of scroll that last night? They went very methodical.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I know it was raining in the car.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Still, that's what they have to do now. So, I
mean they're waiting for Worthy to grow up. He stepped
out of bounds last night. Nothing well, I mean he's
a he's not a high volume guy. He's a gadget
guyist three targets, one touchdown, Dude, Ravens are better
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if the Bucks got better, they have no future. Dame's
getting older, Brook Lopez middle, they're just too old. They're
not gonna beat Boston. I don't think they could beat
the Knicks. They're not gonna be OKC. And then the
Knicks need great, got good. Brunson really shouldn't be your
number one player, he should be a one A. You
are a great team. I said, it's about the Celtics.
When Dereck White is arguably your fourth best player, you
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are a great team. If Brunson's your best player, you're
a good team. If he's your second best player, you're
an exceptional team. If he became your third best player,
you're a title team.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's just not happening. He's not becoming your third.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, I'm saying I like Brunson, but that that's the
way I've always looked at it. When when the Warriors,
when Draymond Green was your fourth or Klay Thompson was
your fourth best player, that's historic. When Tony ku coach
is your fourth best player, then you're an all time team.
Brunson can't be a one. I'm not saying you couldn't
if other teams got hurt. But when Derek White, who's
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a better defender than Brunson, shoots a better three than Brunson,
When Derek White's your four and Brunson's your one, you're
not beating Boston.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So this youth sound like the guy who says you
got it just you have to have a franchise quarterback.
You gotta pay him and all you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Do like you do.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But we just went through it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
All the highest paid quarterbacks are not even a playoff
team right now, all of them except for Jordan Love,
who's a wildcard team.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Let's be honest about this. To beat the Chiefs, Mahomes Reid,
you have to have an a coach and an a
quarterback to beat them rock Perty in the super Bowl,
it's not an a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You don't have close.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
They dominated that game. Come not an a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
There's only four teams in the league I think can
beat them that have beat the Chiefs. It's coach, quarterback, Coma,
Baltimore Chargers, Rams, Detroit Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So Dan Campbell Jared goff is better than saying they would.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But goffs better than Purty easily.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
We're upsetting the Apple card here, Colin.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I'm telling you the new model is going to be
pay your quarterback less. You don't need a superstar, break
the bank guy, that's how you build.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
We're seeing that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I don't think God is a superstar, right you don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, he's a ver. He's an a quarterback, not a plus,
but he's a all right. The Chiefs, who have an
A plus plus quarterback state undefeated last night after beating
Tampa Bay and you can always tell when a team
is truly superior to the rest of the league when
opposing fans start blaming the refs on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
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Speaker 1 (03:30):
All right, welcome back Julian Edelman, Fox Sports Analyst, twelve years,
three Super Bowl rings. He has his podcast it's called
Games with Names, new episodes every Tuesday. So I want
to start with a two point conversion. So Nick Wright
disagreed with me. My take is, when you're facing a
Brady am A Holmes, you're on the road, you're missing pieces.
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I don't want to go to overtime. If I can
steal it and get on my United Airlines flight home,
I'm good. I would have gone for I just just
get me out of this place. Would you have gone
forward if you were the coach.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
In that specific situation, No, because the Buccaneers probably couldn't
get the two point conversion all their red area targets
with Chris Godwin gone, Mike Evans, there's no one to
throw to. Aughton had a really good game. But you
mean to tell me you think Spagnola wouldn't have had
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something up his sleeve for that two point play, you know.
And and by that time, all those short area red
area plays for the Buccaneers have already been ran, so
they already have beat on something. I just don't think
Todd Bowles thought they could win the game there. And
you know, it was sloppy, rainy day. Kicking conditions were
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kind of weird. You know, anytime you have those kind
of games, anything could happen. And you know, unfortunately they lost,
but I don't think they could win. I don't think
the Buccaneers could win.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So Mahomes has one. I looked it up. Patrick Mahomes
is forty seven and nineteen in his career by games decided,
including the playoffs, touchdown or less. And it's just weird
to watch them. They're obviously good. They've gotten to a
point now where I just want to late. I feel
very much like you guys. I just look at that
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game last night. I'm like, I don't care Tampa's driving,
candidacy is gonna win the game. Yeah, that's just how
I looked at Brady in his prime. Yeah, you guys
would figure out a way Situationally, she's had a smarter coach,
smarter quarterback. Is what do you see that I do.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I see a very confident team, but I see a
focused team. This team understands how to improve each week.
I guarantee they're gonna look at this game and the
offense is probably gonna say, and Patrick and Andy Weed
are gonna probably say, we could have won that game
if we would have got that first down instead of
going that three and out in that four minute offense situation.
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That's how they think, or worthy steps out of bounds
or worthy steps out of bounds. They're thinking about how
can we improve our team for next week. That's why
I think they're a focused team and they're running on
They're a machine right now. And we talked about last
time I was on. There's situational plays they always do
well on, you know, and that's because they prepare for
those plays. They know the games come down between a
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few third downs here that you have to get off
the field when you're on defense, so you have to
extend a drive or a red area play. They were
unbelievable in the red area last night. They were great
on third down YEP, watching DeAndre Hopkins there be on
the same page with the confident, focused Patrick Mahomes is
something I would have expected. A veteran type guy that
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knows space, that knows zone. That's great in the red area,
that's great on third down. I think they're gonna be
very tough to beat it. It's gonna be up to
the field. They're gonna be up to the field. It's
gonna be up to you know, Baltimore. Can we can
we can we catch some demons, you know, chase the
demons out because they haven't done well in playoffs along
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with the Bills.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Whoever D hop comes in eight catches. I mean, obviously
Andy's stuff is fairly sophisticated. Were you, I mean, did
you in New England? I always think defense is easier.
That's more search and destroy offenses, choreography at the trade deadline.
Can guys come in and quickly learn an not like
I was surprised D hop was that good in red
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zone situations.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, well, there's only so many red area plays. Now,
we didn't see DeAndre Hopkins on one of those little
whoopedie woo behind the back right screenplays or shuffle pass
the turtle slant where you know you can understand that,
you know, a player of his experience is played in
the red area for a long time, that they were
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going to find something. It reminded me a lot of
when you have a receiver that understands the game, like DeAndre.
It's kind of like when Randy went over with Tom
and they didn't even have any training camp, they didn't
have anything together because Randy, I think had a hamstring
with that first game. Instant chemistry because they are both
very smart football players and you got a quarterback that
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knows the receivers the way he could see, Like like
when you watch that that first game when Tom threw
that that those balls that t Randy like, that was
a chemistry that was just there. It was very similar
to like the Hopkins last night making that slant. So
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I think when you have two smart football players, I
got lost to train of thought on there, but I
was going down something. But you have two smart football players,
things will happen.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You know. It's interesting that you said this that Sean
Payton Noah says this the best time to be a
coach is you win, but don't play great, so you
can coach them hard. Did Belichick was there ever a
moment during and there may have been many, but during
the regular season, you know, before the tough games of January,
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that Bill came in on a Tuesday and said, that's
a great performance. Or did he avoid that.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He avoided that. There was never really a great performance.
There was there was like fellas, we're on the right page,
we're on the we're in the right direction. But that
that's how I think great coaches think. It's not about
what you've done great, It's about how can we improve
and get ourselves to that last game to have our
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best football performance the last game of the year. And
I'm sure Andy Reid is probably similar. He probably delivers
it differently, but I'm sure that he addresses everything that
they could have done better in that game last night,
just like builded it, probably in a different manner to us,
you know what I mean. So I think the great
coaches find a way to be able to improve the team,
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whether you guys do really good or really bad. That's
what that's ultimately what the NFL season regular seasons for
is improving your team to the absolute best. For when
you get in the dance, you got a shot.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So the Eagles have beaten bad teams Giants, Brown's, Bengals,
Jags four game winning Strake Hurts is not turning the
ball over. Yeah, well, bad teams don't force it into mistakes.
Good teams do. Do you buy Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I mean I had a State of the Union on
our show Fox Morning Kickoff about this this last weekend,
saying that you know, the leadership of that organization right
now is just too noisy. They have a lot of talent, yes,
at a lot of key positions, but losing a Jason
Kelce in offensive line is someone who you think that
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was able to probably go into the coach's office and
talk to Sirianni or address the coaching.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Kally admits he did, but he was there.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean they don't have that anymore. I don't
think Jalen Hurts is that kind of guy. I don't
think he's gonna go for confrontation and right now, like
there's just been a lot of episodes, can I can
I bet on Sirianni going out and beating a Detroit
in a playoff game with a lot of these behaviors
or like the noise that we've heard and I know
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it's only the middle of the season. But you know,
like they haven't played anyone really that great, and they're
not gonna play anyone really that great going forward playing
in their division. The Giants twice in Dallas twice, So
they're gonna have a great record. It's gonna come down
to can they beat the good teams when they have
to play the good teams? And right now I just
can't pick them with how the leadership's been going.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I was talking this morning to a couple of
former college basketball players and we were talking about Yukon
and Dan Hurley, and I said, they play with NBA
physicality as college kids, and the secret is they practice hard.
Ye Hurley's like they He'll never embarrass his players publicly.
He rides them at practice. So and I think about physicality.
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All New England teams were physical, and I didn't think
you always had the best player. So the Chargers take
the exact same defensive last year that was a mess.
They're number one in the league right now. Now they
may not be the number one defense, but they're playing
like it. And I think myself, how the hell it's
the same, dudes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like, what.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
How did Bill cultivate create physicality? Because you know, you
always said this, every team's different. There were times Teddy
Bruce Key teams would be tough because of Teddy and
Rodney that You're guaranteed you didn't always have bangers at safety.
You never Bruce Ki forever. How did Bill create toughness?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
We practiced it, and I guarantee that's probably what Harball
is doing over in LA, like they probably practice one
on one blocking and tackling. You'd be surprised on how
many teams don't practice tackling, which is like the number
one thing on being able to break a tackle or
make a tackle, block a guy or own block guy.
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Like we would practice those one on one battles all
the way until the Super Bowl, really at least once
a week. And that's what I see with San Diego.
They're fundamentally sound right now. At the offensive line, they're
getting a lot better. They've improved on the defense line.
They stay in their gaps, they don't have these crazy
pass rushes where they get past the quarterback like they
have in the past, where they're undisciplined. They just seem
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to be fundamentally more sound. They understand their roster that
they don't have a huge guy in the outside where
they're gonna, you know, be able to have explosion plays.
They understand that they can only throw the ball a
certain amount of times with Herbert and not going to
force some thirty five times down the field with no weapons.
So like, they understand their roster and they fundamentally have
gotten more strong.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Are you surprised how good I think bo Nix's played well.
I thought Drake May look good this weekend. I think
Jadeen Daniels, I think he's a top ten twelve quarterback.
I just think he is. Caleb's struggling. That could be
coaching staff, whatever, But it does feel like and JJ
McCarthy looked very good in the preseason. Yeah, but then
before he got hurt. Are you surprised how Like I
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watched Jadeen and Daniels, I'm like, it looks easy. And
I watched Drake May this weekend without much to work with,
and I was like, oh, yeah, he can play. Feet
are messed up, but he can play. Does that surprise you.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
No, it doesn't. There's a lot of great coaches right now.
A lot of these guys have been throwing in these
passing camps seven on seven's. I think guys are transitioning
a lot quicker. You look at the receiver position. When
I first got in the league, it took a while
for a receiver to get acclimated to the NFL with
the terminology, the space scene. What your breaks in two
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thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, so thirteen years ago.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, fifty to fifty My bad. So when you broke
into the league, you didn't go to seven on seven camps.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
We didn't have that. Really, that wasn't coming around. It
was very rare.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So college for you, college to pro it was like
high school to college.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yes, you when you got into college for the first time,
that's when you were really seeing different kind of coverages.
And it's still very vanilla, right, you know, there was
not a lot of scheme. You either saw, you know,
post safety zone, a blit zone which everyone sees with
cover three or cover two or cover four. You know. Now,
now these kids are seeing all these coverages a lot
(15:08):
sooner because they have to scheme in these seven on
seven pass camps, right, and so then you get pattern
recognition a lot faster and quicker. So I think it's
helping these younger players transition a lot quicker. You know,
this is the information age. These guys can go see
how the best quarterbacks train, how the best running backs train,
the best receivers train, what they do in the offseason,
(15:30):
how they take care of their body, how they're studying.
Like a lot of things are available now, so you're
seeing guys transition a lot quicker. I think.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, so Detroit's offensive line, Maul's people. Yeah, and I
remember ray Lewis telling me this years ago. I asked
ray Lewis one of the all time tough guys. I said,
was there ever a team you didn't like to play?
He said, I hated playing Kansas City. Yeah, Willie Rowe,
He's like, I would just come out of that thing
I had to, you know, I would. I would do
(16:00):
like is spirituality. Saturday night, here comes Kansas City. It's
gonna be a miserable game. And you remember when you may
not remember this, Kansas City had about a six year
stretch when they just had huge offensive lines three point
thirty across the board. Willie Roafe was one of their great.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
We have Brian's who was the guard.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I know, I know who?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, Okay, So I watched Detroit and I've said There's
been three great offensive lines in the last ten years.
The Tyrone Smith, Zach Martin that the early Dallas went to,
the Philadelphia one, and Detroit's. Now there were moments against
Green Bay where literally Piney Sewell pushed his guy out
of the TV screen. Do you ever remember in New
(16:47):
England you always had because of Dante's Garnett, you had
good offensive lines. They weren't dominant, they were good. Do
you do you remember when you play a team like
a Detroit. Belichick the other day on the other network
was like, you just hope they make mistakes. You know,
they're just big, got better players. Go to a game
in your career, because I think that's what Detroit does.
They're just better. Yeah, go to a team. Was there
(17:09):
ever a team that you played New England played during
Belichick and Belichick acknowledged privately, Listen, that's the best we've
ever faced, either that receiving court, that second like Baltimore's
secondary for years.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Would Bill just be honest with you guys, because I
think when you face Detroit you have to be honest
with your team.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Remember we played those those Denver teams and they had
you know, they had really good receivers. You know, it
wasn't necessarily announced to the team, but you'd have like
a coach come, come hit you in the locker room
or hit you in the hallway, like you know, we
need you to do really good on this third down.
We got to keep this offense off because these guys
are going to score a lot of points.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Is not the Peyton Manning teams a lot p manning teams,
you know.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I remember a little bit of that. Yeah, there's there's
always a little game planning for how you have to
to play offense if you're going against a very explosive,
very good offense, and that's by elongating drives and having long,
methodical drives to keep them off the field. Anytime we
play those Peyton Manning teams, that was kind of like
what we really wanted to do. Let's keep them on
(18:13):
the on the other sideline and let's just execute what
we want to do keep them off. And Yeah, I
think a lot of that goes into game plan for
very good offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, I think Detroit and.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Physical teams and teams that are gonna score points, like
we were a game plan team. You know, there's sometimes
you know, joh I would never be in those coaches meetings,
but you know, Josh would come into the offense say, hey, fellows,
we're gonna have to get thirty five points this week.
It's just one of those games. Yeah, and we can
do it. We have the matchups on the outside where
we have to do it because they're gonna score points.
(18:45):
National Football League they got a good quarterback too. Early
in those Kansas City years when we were playing the
young Patrick Mahomes, we knew we had to score some points.
Or those you know, those those Rams teams when Statford
first got there, or the guy Off years when we
would play those guys when they had that fifty to
fifty one game, or that that we played Kansas City
like a week after or something. So you know, you
(19:08):
definitely have to game plan and think of those things,
but ultimately it comes down to what each guy has
to do on his job each play, and when you
do that, that's when you have your best shot.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Do you remember the Mahomes game when you beat him?
Do you remember it?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah? We do, I do. That was a regular season game.
I think it was like a week seven or week eight.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
We beat them, I think thirty to thirty three or something.
It was just high flying. It was it was. It
was a good game. It was a good game. Yeah,
they were still young. They just didn't they weren't there
at defense that well. Yet they weren't. They weren't there
at the defense side. Yeah, there were you know, we
had we had a lot of matchups that we liked,
uh but at offensively, you knew that they were going
(19:49):
to score points.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That was the Tyreek team.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I was Tyreek, but I felt like we always played
him pretty well.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You know, we always controlled the game the way you
had to. We always kept them off the field. You know,
we'd have to put the pressure on Mahomes throw not
throwing to his best guy that you know, we'd always
have some kind of exotic thing on defense, that a wrinkle,
we do something completely different offense. I just remember we
were against the teams like that. We'd always end the
(20:15):
game running the ball they'd break, We'd always stick to
the run. By the end, you'd see Rex Burkhead in
an end zone or you know, you know, you see
Lagarrett Blunt with a forty yard chunk play because we
would stick to it and we knew that was the
game plan Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
He has got a podcast, Games with Names. He's on
the NFL Fox Kickoff Sunday's eleven Eastern on Fox. Good
See Anybody Good to see guys, We'll take a break,
come back. Herd Line News around the Corner live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
By the way, the Steelers aren't done. Pittsburgh just traded
with the Green Bay He's a veteran guy, Preston Smith,
so opposite of TJ. Watt, you'll have Preston Smith. So
Green Bay is very, very young. They're paying Jordan Love
a ton, so you know they gotta they gotta get
some cheap guys in the draft because Jordan Love now
(21:15):
is one of the bigger cap hits. So one of
the NFL's best defenses improved. So Preston Smith goes over
to the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Pittsburgh Mike Williams, Preston Smith.
They're not they're not necessarily changing outcomes. But I think
Pittsburgh is looking at Kansas City with d Hop and
they're like, Okay, they're better. And they're looking at Baltimore
(21:38):
with Deante Johnson, all Right, they're better now watching Amari
Cooper with Buffalo, Okay, they're better Pittsburgh's And Pittsburgh's also
telling you, we don't know how long Russell Wilson's gonna
be here. We don't have any idea he's here now.
Russell Wilson's not getting younger. We're playing good. I like
what Pittsburgh's doing. I think Marshawn Laddam the best move
(22:00):
of the day. Preston Smith, to me is the is
the second best move of the day with Zadarius Smith
to the Lions. Good be solid b move, two good organizations,
Steelers Packers exchanging picks and players. Preston Smith is a good,
solid defensive end. But I think a lot of this
goes into Washington's making their big move because they're like,
(22:21):
we're not paying Jayden Daniels anything for four years. Let's
if we have to overspend a little bit on a corner,
it's our weakness. And I think I think the Steelers
look at it and think, listen, we're not going to
go up against Lamar, Josh Allen, Mahomes or a Herbert
and have the better quarterback, but we can have the
better pass rush and the better defense. So Pittsburgh I
think recognizes their way to win, which is great defense,
(22:46):
no mistakes, little ball control. So let's make our defense better.
I like it. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, no, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So much happening in the last two days.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
We didn't even talk about Drake may who I thought
was pretty phenomenal in a loss to the Titans over
the weekend. He made great plays all afternoon, including the
game tying touchdown as time expired. His teammate Devin Sorry
Devon Godshow anointed him Josh Allen two point zero, but
Gerard Mayo was quick to shut down that comparison.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I call him Drake May at one point, I don't
want to get in the comparisons of Josh Allen's the
multi year Pro Bowl quarterback and we're here at the
beginning stages of for a developing quarterback. Though I think
we're all excited about he's trying to make plays. He's
trying to do what he thinks is best to help
the team win. And I appreciate that. And at the
same time, you know, we have to make sure that
(23:45):
he's protecting himself.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, he's not Josh Allen as a prospect, but he's good.
His feet are messed up a little bit. I didn't
like his feet out of college. I don't love him now.
But he moves well, big kid. I mean, obviously Brissette
couldn't move the team. Drake May comes in and moves
the team with ninety five yards rushing. You know, he's
an athlete. How many said he's.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Out the game, losing interception in overtime field listen, but
he's got no weapons and again nothing. I was higher
on Drake May than I was Jaden Daniels coming in.
That looks silly. But Drake May has shown, Oh my gosh,
here's what the problem is. We saw Mayo in August
saying that, like Jacoby Brissette was the best quarterback on
(24:26):
the roster, blah blah blah. Like anybody who's seen a
little Drake May is like, what on earth will you see?
May has been so much better than Persett. Totally changes
the dimensions of this team. Patriots are going to be
interesting going forward.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I think this team has something.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
In the NFL, you either have a great quarterback and
you know it, or you think you have a potentially
great quarterback and a New England's in the second class.
Is that they're looking at this and they're like, we're
never going to be this untalented again on offense. This
is the least talent Drake may will ever have. My
only concern is the coach. I feel like he is.
(25:02):
It feels kind of like poor Man's Belichick, a little
bit like.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Who was it got Jim tom Sula? You remember that
It's not that that level of bad.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't think it's bad. I just think you start
looking around the AFC and it's John Harbond, Jim Harbord,
Andy Reid and Sean Payton. It jirod Mayo could be fine,
but a B coach in a conference with a coaches
everywhere is rough.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And they were in on Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Remember they tried to go after Ayuk because they thought,
you know, Ayuk plus may I think if any of
these wide receivers are.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Squirrely, are they going to return? Do they want to
go somewhere?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think the Patriots are going to be in the
mix they got they need a massive talent infusion column,
offensive line receiver.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
They got nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Well, and the good news they have a very reasonable
chance to have the number one pick. So that's and
you just trade down once you have your quarterback trade down?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Well wait, hold on, do you think you would keep
May and trade the one?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Or do you say I like you do here better
than Max?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
No, you keep May? You don't want to start over again.
May is clearly good enough to be a good quarterback
in the league. Clearly you can spot stuff early, size, mobility,
He's gotten significantly better from the first time we saw him.
So he's obviously coachable, he's adaptable, and he's working with
This is the worst team he'll ever play for. New
England will never have this little of talent because they're
(26:20):
gonna have draft picks. So do I still contend I
do not understand moving off Jacoby Myers. I'll never get
in the stage. It was like moving off DJ Moore
for the Panthers and then drafting Bryce Young. What are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Was it that was on Belichick? Or was I forget that?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I didn't get that. Listen, if you have a quarterback,
there's two or three things you need the right coach,
a left tackle, and a great number one weapon. Jacoby
Myers is a really good NFL player. Now he's in
no man's land in Vegas. They can't get him the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Next story is the Ravens defense looked really good in
that forty one to ten beat down of the Broncos,
but overall.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The defense is regressed from last year.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
One of the worst form Orman's game against Joe Burrow
in Week five. Burrow had about four hundred yards offense
and five touchdowns. They have a massive showdown Thursday Night.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Corner Marlin Humphrey of the Ravens says, the poor play
is on the players.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
For me as a as a player, as no knowing
what's going on. I hate I hate seeing coaches get
under scrutiny when it's the player's fault. You know, I
felt that there was you know, this ain't being coached
this way, right, This ain't being this.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
This is being this.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's a little different, but it really sucks when.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
What we're putting, the products we're putting out there isn't
what we're being coached, isn't what we're practicing, and that's
that's kind of what hurts me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, I kind of want to fire on the Bengals
in this game Bengals Ravens, But I don't know about
t Higgins.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean this for six and a half, down to six,
I think it's gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's a divisional rematch, a game in Baltimore. It's a
night which is dangerous. But these historically the divisional rematches
are close.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Well, I just familiarity with each other, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I generally speak, like a couple of weeks ago, I
took Colts against the Texans. It's just divisional game, you know.
If you start looking what's happening in the NFL right now,
best quarterbacks are winning the games, and Lamar and Burrow
they're just both great, so I can't and Baltimore is
a much better operation. I feel bad for Burrow. Burl's
(28:23):
getting very snippy, and I don't blame him. I think
he's upset with his ownership. And I think I think
you look at all the quarterbacks right now in the
league that are very very good. Josh Allen, good players, Lamar,
good players, Herbert, they have good players and Khalil mack Abosa,
Derwin James, good players, Mahomes good players, golf, good players,
Jalen Hurts, good players. You start looking at all these
(28:46):
good quarterbacks, they all have good players. There's one really
good quarterback and you're like, you didn't have much to
work with. It's Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
How ticked would you be? You were within two minutes
of winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And the only quarterback in the league that's really really
good that you're like, well, get him some help. There's
only one right now in the league. It's Joe Burrow.
If you took Jamar Chase out, what do they have.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, we'll see what happens with t Higgins this offseason.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh, he's not coming back.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
So you lose.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Higgins, you lost Mixon, you lost Boyd.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
It's just just the Jamar and Joe show. Anyways, Final
stories college football Colin. Early this morning, USC announced a
change at quarterback Miller Moss, who I.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Think after week one you were saying as a heisman.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Tropher, What come on, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
He's been benched, Yeah, in favor of UNLV transport transferred
Jaden my Uva.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The Trojans have lost four or five. They are reeling.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
They got a big game against Nebraska in I guess
two weeks. So Lincoln Riley's got the bye week and
he's gonna let the new guy.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You know what, shot.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
He sat behind Caleb for two years. He almost transferred.
He wanted his shot, he had it, and he's just
not athletic enough.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
He just he was good early in the season. Well
I didn't watch the Washington game, but the bottom line
is he doesn't move the pocket at all. So I
think Lincoln Riley's better with a quarterback Kyler Murray Caleb Williams.
If you look at Lincoln's history, he's better when a
quarterback moves, and he doesn't. He's a pocket quarterback, so
he's very old school. He's certainly capable of playing, but
I think over the course of time he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know, listen, if you Jared Goff works as a
pocket quarterback because the O line in the run game
so dominant. But the USC doesn't have a dominant run game,
so the only way to extend drives is to extend
the pocket, and they get into these third and fives.
And I mean it basically, if you have a quarterback
that can move like USC's back up, it adds thirty
percent playbook, So you can blame Lincoln Riley, but when
(30:37):
you have a pure pocket passer and a young O line,
you can't do seven step drops. You got to get
rid of the ball. They have one decent running back.
He doesn't move. It's a very limited offense. But I
felt like it wasn't against When Lincoln Riley gets an
off season for one game, they look great against LSU.
(30:58):
But then everybody gets film him and you're right, oh,
he doesn't move from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Three takes against Washington.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
No, I watched it.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I saw the highlight. I'm not watching USC football.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So it's just it's it's pocket quarterbacks. It again. It
works if you have a dominant run game and online
like Detroit. But even guys like Brock Purty, who I
don't love, he moves so I can add more plays
to the playbook.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
You're close to the program.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
The only thing I'll say is a lot of Hey,
the media, you're stay out of practice.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Don't ask my guys that question. It's the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I hear a lot of blaming everyone else. At some point,
Lincoln Riley's got to like, look in the mirror, dude.
He's just not been a good coach.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, let's see, I think I don't like that either.
I think the bigger issue is I don't think they
have enough good players. He has not done a good
job building a fence around Southern California. They don't get
any I mean, they got one one or two really
good California players going and basically California. Southern California is
(31:59):
being rated by big ten schools Alabama, A and M,
SEC is having SEC is having more success recruiting top
players in California than USC, so that that's a problem.
And they can't buy the players like Oregon's got a
bigger budget. So there's the questions. To me, it's not
like Lincoln can't coach. It's a very young team and
(32:20):
they just don't have enough really elite players. They've got
good players. They don't look like Ohio State. They don't
look like Georgia Texas. They don't they don't they don't
look like I mean, I've watched Notre Dame a couple
times this year. Notre Dame's got some dudes. Now, they're
not a great team, yeah, but they've got some great players.
You can see them on TV every Saturday, Jmack with
(32:41):
a news.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. It's
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, you guys come out like vultures and
wolves when USC you know, struggling a little bit. They're
leading all these games, they just can't close the games.
So you make a move on the show tomorrow, Tom
Brady and Sean McVay. So here's the trade so far
(33:10):
on trade deadline today. My favorites Marshawn Lattimore to the
Commander solves a major issue. He's a very good player.
My second favorite is Preston Smith to the Steelers. I
think Pittsburgh knows, let's just add to a good defense.
We're not going to outscore the Kansas City's, the Baltimore's,
the Buffalo's. I would say Zadarius Smith to the lines
(33:34):
is solid. Outside of that and the mingo to the
Cowboys is fourth round pick us too much. He is
not a guy that separates. He is a big, physical
kind of a physical it was a linebacker. He doesn't
separate and so he is on any team a third
or a fourth receiver. He was overdrafted by Carolina, now
(33:55):
the and now the basically the Cowboys have over compensated Carolina.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
To tre for it.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's funny the best moves were done. What a week
ago or two weeks ago when the Ravens and Bills
made their moves real contenders, I'd say a lot of
these are pretenders.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
De hop to the chief Outside Alliance.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Early returns are good.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It looked pretty good last night. Oh just stop, It
really didn't.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Now, So weren't you how's this you watched the Chiefs?
Was that like a tri visially stimulating game? Did they
look fun? I didn't see any trick plays. It was
kind of boring, wasn't it? My kareem hunt into the.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Line of scroll that last night? They went very methodical.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I know it was raining in the car.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Still, that's what they have to do now. So, I
mean they're waiting for Worthy to grow up. He stepped
out of bounds last night. Nothing well, I mean he's
a he's not a high volume guy. He's a gadget
guyist three targets, one touchdown, Dude, Ravens are better
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