November 7, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin looks at the differences between Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow's careers as they prepare to faceoff tonight on Thursday Night Football
He believes it's almost time to declare Jayden Daniels as the better quarterback over Caleb Williams
Guest: Jordan Schultz
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, Big One Tonight,
Lamar and Joe Burrow live in Los Angeles. It's The
Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Greg Cosell.
One hour from now, do you play fantasy football? Do
you bet on football? You want to get smarter at football?
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Greg Olsen stops by Jordan Schultz later this hour. A
lot of things happening around the league right now. Coaches
on the hot seat, JMC. We all know that when
people are young, good parents man right like you as
a parent, me as a parent, we thought a lot
about that. We didn't want chaos there in support and
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little wisdom, do the best you can.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Occasional chaos is not the worst thing. In that not
the worst they're gonna have to deal with. It in
real life, in real.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Life, but I was thinking tonight it's a great example.
So tonight it's Lamar Jackson, a great young talent, and
Joe Burrow equally a great young talent, and one of them.
Baltimore is the guidebook on how to help raise your
star quarterback. One is how to hinder it. So let's
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just talk Lamar Jackson. So he gets to Baltimore, he
gets to sit for a while behind a veteran of
pro Joe Flacco. They don't draft him to start day one,
and very soon after John Harbaugh signs an extension no chaos,
veteran coach extended. They re sign a left tackle, a
Ronnie Stanley. They eventually draft a center over the course
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of time, Tyler Lindebaum left tackle center, very valuable by
the way. They eventually shift offensive coordinators. As Lamar grows
in the pocket, is a better passer to Todd Monkin,
who they feel previous coordinator was good. This guy's a
bit more past centric. So as Lamar grows, they add
Zave Flowers, and then this year they add Dereck Henry
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and they add at the deadline another receiver. Offense. Offense, weapons, weapons,
They've changed coordinators to a more pass centric coordinator. As
Lamar has grown, they don't ask him to start. They
extend the great coach left tackle and center. Outstanding centers
don't get drafted much in the first round. Baltimore says, yep.
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By the way, Kansas City did the same for Mahomes,
went and got a center. All they're doing, what can
we do to make this kid flourish? Now? Go to
Joe Burwin Cincinnati. You wonder why he looks perpetually pissed.
He inherits and has to start immediately. Zach Taylor, we
still don't know if he's good. Coach. The offensive line,
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they can't get it right. It's ranked twenty seventh this year.
It was twenty sixth last year. I think a couple
of years ago was rated lower. They can't get the
offensive line right. This offseason, they let go of Joe Mixon,
who I've been saying for years is a top five
running back. He's had some stuff off the field starting
in college, but he's really good. And oh by the way,
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they let him go, and Cincinnati has no run game
and a bad offensive line. Oh, by the way, they
lose their offensive coordinator. Or a really sharp kid Callahan.
He goes to Tennessee. Do they comb the market, Do
they get into a bidding war for Cliff Kingsbury? No, No,
they just move one of the guys on the staff up. Oh,
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by the way, they've got two really good receivers playing
hardball with both. Higgins not gonna play tonight probably, and
he won't laugh, He'll be gone, and Jamar Chase is unhappy.
I mean, that's the difference between the parents being at home,
the parents adding wisdom, the parents not demanding too much
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too soon. As the kid grows, the parents challenge support
and hey, you're on your own. Mom and dad are
going out seeing a week Baltimore the entire time. What
can we do to slowly grow this incredible young athlete?
And Cincinnati, how can we save money? Didn't even make
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a play on Cliff Kingsbury. Let's just take a guy
on the staff. Guy and the staff may be good,
but generally, in any company, it could be Nike, it
could be Intel. Generally you want a global search to
get the best guy. Generally, So, as J. F. K,
one of our great presidents, once said, ask not what
your quarterback can do for you, Ask what you can
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do for your quotaback. One franchise gets it, one is
trying to save money. And that said, I think tonight's
really competitive. Wouldn't be shocked if Burrow wins. But everybody
keeps asking, well, why is Joe Burrow so grumpy? You
would be too. Burrow's the only great quarterback in the
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NFL that doesn't have either an elite coach or a
really stacked roster. Goff does Herbert Roster's good Mahomes, Josh
Allen Lamar, Jalen Hurts. I even like c J. Stroud roster.
Joe Burrow trying to save money in Cincinnati. That's why
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he has a perpetual scowln all right, So it was
interesting yesterday a Bear's quarterback Caleb Williams. Isn't it amazing
when you draft a quarterback, even if they don't succeed early,
it makes the franchise much more interesting. Williams had a
moment of honesty. He said, it's getting really frustrating over
the years, I work really hard on my accuracy, and
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I'm really kind of struggling at times. I pride myself
not being accurate, not being on time is a really
frustrating thing for me, and he has struggled this year.
So this is where in my business, in this little
TV radio business, the media never wants to be wrong.
So a lot of people in the media are terrified
to have a strong opinion. And there is a fine
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line from rushing to judgment and identifying the truth. It's
a fine line. I get that. But three games in
and we were right. C J. Strouds better than Bryce Young, bigger, stronger,
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more accurate, more self awareness. He's better. That was not
rushing to judgment. You all watched the American idol or
the voice. How many keys does it take? How many
lines does it take? How many lyrics the melody? Can
you tell him? Like nine seconds?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Stroud three games in better than Bryce Young? It's been right,
by the way, five games in, same draft class, justin
Herbert Tua. Herbert was better. He was breaking records and
didn't have an elite coach. He was bigger, he was stronger,
he was more mobile, he could take hits better. It
took about five six games. Herbert's better than Tua. So
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when you look at Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, one
of the things I don't think this is rushing to judgment.
I think this is identifying. The truth is that Jaden
Daniels will be a more accurate thrower of the football.
He was in college at LSU seventy percent. He's at
seventy one percent now. Is Jaden Daniels is better at
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delivering the ball accurately? So far this year, Jaden Daniels,
it would set an all time rookie record seventy one
and a half percent completion percentage. Caleb Williams is close
to the borderline sixty one passer rating one six seven
to eighty three. So accuracy is a big deal in
the NFL, and I don't think it's rushing to judgment
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to say that, Yes, Jaden will be a more accurate
distributor of the football in his career, and that matters
a lot. And here's something else, because they're both mobile leadership.
We saw it in college with Caleb. He can be moody,
he can brood. We've never seen that with Jaden Daniels.
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At LSU Arizona State NFL camp season, teammates love him,
coach love him. Players in the NFL privately calling their
agents and telling them I want to play for the Commanders. Meanwhile, Caleb,
he and Dj Moore, what's the riff he and his
offensive coordinator. It's not ideal, I think in the leadership
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department right now, and I think Caleb's really talented. But accuracy,
I'm making a definitive opinion. It's just easier. Jaden is
an easier got a better rhythm, it's more effortless. He's
just a more accurate deliver of the football. And we
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knew that coming out of college. That was the knock.
That's what the scout said, and we all said it.
Caleb can get, he can get a little inaccurate. You
got to pull him back into the fair away. He
can Galuf and the Weeds sometime. Mechanics side arm in it.
That's why it was compared. And leadership. The things that
people question, the fingernail stuff, the jumping in the crowd,
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the moody, the brooding a little bit with Caleb, I
think we've seen it and we've seen no sign of that.
Nothing but great leadership from Jayden Daniels. So right now today,
that doesn't mean Caleb couldn't win a Super Bowl or
be dominant if he gets the right coach that's not
what I'm saying, but accuracy and leadership. I think there's
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a separation so far. I think Caleb's been noisy, the
Bears have been noisy, and Washington just keeps blowing people
out and competing with the best teams in the league.
So I think there is a fine line between rushing
to judgment and identifying the truth. And that's not to
say Caleb's not going to work. I like him a lot.
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I don't think this is the right head coach. I
don't think it's the right coordinator. The offensive lines regressed.
I am not saying they're not reasons accuracy leadership. All
I'm saying is I see a separation many of the scouts.
If you go online and look it up. The concerns
with Caleb have surfaced, and the one primary concern with
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Jaden Daniels thin little slight could get injured, been banged
that one game, but hasn't really been an issue. Okay,
j Mac. I'm excited for Greg Cosell this week because
there's a couple of things that I saw last week,
and I think when you get to week ten in
the NFL season, We've said this for the last two
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weeks and I think I think tonight, if Baltimore blows
out Cincinnati, you have a separation between the haves and
have nots. I still think there's a few have nots
hanging on. Maybe the Jets are still hanging on the Dolphins,
I have not hanging on, Cincinnati have not hanging on?
Is this the weekend we give up on the have nots?
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The life preserver doesn't work?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Possibly, and there is one team. There's some breaking ish
news now. I'm sure you saw before the show about
a certain quarterback. The games come off the board, you
cannot gamble on it. Quarterback's going to apparently miss this week.
And now there's reports maybe surgery.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, we need the good quarterbacks playing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Bottom line, When Patrick Mahomes got hurt briefly on Monday,
I was like, come on, please, you know I'm not
a chief scuy need not how many Mahomes in the.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Game, No, I mean Baker Mayfield. It wasn't Mahomes that
made that game compelling. Baker Mayfield playing without a star
receivers running around making plays actually saved the night.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
By the way, Baker hosting the Niners off of by
a short week.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Have you looked at that?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Is that gonna make the plays of five?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
If it?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If it doesn't, you got problems, buddy. There's one layup
on the board.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
See yes, there is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
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Great rates none of the bull. So in a moment
of honesty and clarity, Jets receiver Garrett Wilson acknowledged he
said it's his fault. He says discussing he and Aaron Rodgers,
that he's missing plays, he can struggle with some of
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the signs and the signals, and that it's very, very
complex and Aaron is very demand. Aaron, as you recall,
got frustrated with young Green Bay wide receivers, and I
have said this is where Brady and Aaron Rodgers are
very similar, two very heady guys who don't want to
be babysitters. And I support Brady and Aaron with this.
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Although I do think Garrett Wilson is a sensational talent.
Aaron's passer rating with Garrett Wilson is eighty five with
Alan Lazard. It's in the one twenties. What does that
tell you is that Brady worked with Randy Moss and
Wes Welker. He also worked in Tampa when he had
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Mike Evans and then he brought along gronk an Ab.
But for years New England whiffed on first round, second round,
third round receivers. Edelman took four years to work. And
we know how smart and diligent Julian Edelman is. Is
that Lebron, James, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady don't like
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working with young kids. Lebron doesn't mind working with his
own kid. I get it, Dad, but they don't like
working with young kids. And when when Tom went to Tampa,
get me, Lenny Fournette, dumpoffs, get me, Dronkin Ab and
Mike Evans G or seven. So it's interesting here as
the young kid is acknowledging, Yeah, I'm struggling with this stuff.
And you know that. That's why when de Hop goes
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to Kansas City, I'm watching that game and I'm like,
it looks like he's been there for eight years. That
back of the end zone touchdown, and that's how Moss
and Welker were with Tom Brady. And that's why Lebron,
James and d Wade eight games in, Lebron James and
Anthony Davis second game in. It works. Guys with short
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careers and short shelfs lives do not want to be
babysitters and mentors. Aaron Rodgers wants to win now, so
does Tom and his prime, and so does Lebron. And
that's why it's up to a general manager to get
it right. Just drafting a why it's it's okay when
Jordan Loved generationally is young, and so were the receivers.
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That's different because Jordan Love is growing. Tom's fully grown,
Aaron's fully grown. This is what you get. Lebron knows
the game. You're not gonna play with kids. He's got
no interest Kuzma ball. He didn't want him. Get me
grown ups. Tom Brady yesterday we talked about this and
I asked him, like you and Randy Moss, like you
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work within two practices. You and Mike Evans, you worked instantly.
You didn't know Mike Evans. Why I remember playing with
certain rookie receivers.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Literally, it was like the first day of.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
OTAs and I'd call like, hey, run a slant and
he looked at me like a slant, okay, And that's
kind of the most generic route looks since we were
running those in in parking lots, you know, with your friends.
And there was a few guys I played with that
would they'd start the route slow, then they'd speed up
into the break, then they'd slow down coming out of
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the break, and then they'd look for the ball. And
I look at him like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, but you didn't have to do that with Welker, Moss,
Mike Evans, a young Chris Godwin, they figured it out
pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But it was.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Immediately Mike Evans, immediately, Wes Welker, Randy Moss. Stuff worked instantly,
and Aaron with Alan Lazard passer rating is the highest
on the team, not the more gifted receiver. Garrett Wilson,
I get the pro athlete. It's up to the general
manager to figure this out. I get the pro athlete,
the all time great, the Aaron, the Lebron, the Brady saying,
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not a mentor. It's not my job. I'm not a babysitter.
Get me guys who can play and can run routes
Today now Sunday. J Macklin News, no turns.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All right, let's start with Josh Allen. I'm having a
great season. Seventeen touchdowns, only two picks. Bills are seven
and two coasty to the AFC East crowned. We talked
about just how good Alan has been in the red zone,
but McDermott believes he's taking a huge step forward in
his development.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
You watch his comfort level in the pocket, you watch
his progression, progression, progressing through his progressions and his progression reads.
I just think when you play that quarterback position, there's
just so much when he's coming into the league on
one's shoulders, whether it's on the field or off the field,
and he's done a great job of chipping away at
that growth and into that kind of workload. And where
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he is now, is I really believe he's at the
top of his game.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I think that goes without question. If you take
the reckless out, he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
What is it the reckless what makes him amazing?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, No, I don't I don't buy. I think I
think Stafford, Josh Allen, there's a little bit of that
and I'm okay with it a little bit, but I
think it can be mostly coached out if you have
the right plan, the right protection. I mean Stafford, by
the way, he'll have reckless throws. But I don't, I don't.
I don't think he has been as Puka Nakua arrived
with Cooper Cup the got the kid to Marius Robinson.
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He's not. He hit DeMarcus Robinson. He had a really
bad pick at Chicago. Remember that pick he threw in
the end zone. He had a terrible pick? Did Stafford
in Chicago? Yeah, but he's had about two all year,
like really bad ones. Malmes had like five.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So if you had to beat the Chiefs in one
playoff game, who would you rather have? Stafford or Josh
all There's just such different quarterbacks, different in their career.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I think probably Josh Allen because
he can run. I think his ability to move is
such an advantage.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I agree with that, But you know, show me the
playoff game he showed up and won as an underdog.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well he did. He did give them a lead with
thirteen seconds to go in a game and his defense failed.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
They with that game.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well, again, he did his job.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh Rock Party in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
He did his job, went down the field, scored well,
but the defense didn't do their job.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How much time was left.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It was overtime. See what I did there defending my
guy Purty. Shout out the Brock Party.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Anyway, let's get to the Niners.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Christian McCaffrey. Big news.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
He's probably gonna go this week for the Niners in Tampa,
coming off.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The Achilles injury.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We haven't got official confirmation whether or not he'll play,
and Shanahan is being very coy about his status.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
At what points do you think there will be a
decision on whether or not Christian plays Sunday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
To like publicly kickoffs.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
In your mind, what do you need to see from
him or what does he need to tell you that
he's just Christian McCaffrey and he's not hurting. But you know,
as long as everything goes well it has in the rehab,
so just as long as it doesn't get sore and
have setbacks each day with practice. Usually if you get
that in practice, that means it's gonna be worse than
the game. So hopefully you can strain together three days
in a row and I'm not to have any of those.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is he Mac He's coming back. He's gonna have a
nice Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I texted some of the guys on the staff, I
think this game will be in headlines on Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, this may be a Blaze games.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So a quick reminder on the Niners. So last year
they lost three straight heading into their BI. Remember there
was the Browns game where they had some injuries, and
then the Vikings and then the Bengals. They came out
of the BI going to Jacksonville, flying across the country
to Florida, and they waxed up thirty four to three.
I have video on my phone safe because I love it.
Deebo Samuel coming out of the tunnel before the game.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And you can see them. They're dancing. They are all
juiced up, ready to go. Smash.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Jacksonville won on a huge tear. Now you're getting McCaffrey back,
Debo back, Jennings back.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, this is Smash Spot.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Good luck, good luck this weekend.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's a Smash Spot.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Final story. Colin is Yeah, we gotta go here.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Patrick Mahomes reaggravated that ankle injury late in Monday's overtime
win over the bucks.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
After the touchdown passed to p Ryan, Mahomes was helped
off the field. Everybody was nervous, holding their breath. He
did not miss a snap.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The bionic Mahomes has not been limited in practice, and
he talked about playing this.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Week, and you have a little bit of a role.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's a little bit of sort, but I'm able to
move around and look forward getting out of practice and
seeing the how I can push it as as the
week goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You can only do so much.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I mean, obviously it's pretty late, but getting some stuff
in the training room after the game and getting some
stuff to take home. You throw it on there. Stuff
you can do overnight that you put on there to
kind of reduce swelling.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He'll be fine, that's my answer to Patrick Mahomes. He'll
be fine.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
He's always fine.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Listen to all these guys by week four banged up.
There's no healthy player in the NFL, perfectly healthy player
except maybe punters. Nobody's healthy in this league at week four.
That's why when I see this load management stuff, I laugh.
These NFL guys are all playing through injuries. All NBA
guys like you, I got a headache.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Can take unnecessary shots.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
All right, I'm just curious. You're your Broncos Peyton and Nix.
Tough spot rookie quarterback against Steve Spagnolo's blitz happy defense.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Banged up Mahomes off an overtime extra session game against
the Denver team, Okay, division rival game, getting a ton
of points. Just got humiliated. Watched Denver play. Very good
for me? Really, yes, wow, bo.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Nicks on the road.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, it's actually this is a one pm kickoff, so
it won't be an issue.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know, the night time, so it's a.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Short week, one o'clock window. Denver is gonna be just fine.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Really, yes, you're not putting this blazon five?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You're going against my home.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Some people have that kind of courage. Others are afraid
to meet the challenge. Well, listen, this is a year
for favorites. Favorites are dominating, not just the NFL. I'm
talking like every sport election. Favorites are crushing this year.
You get in front of Patrick Mahomes, good luck with that.
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I guess maybe Sirtan can lock down Deondrery Hopkins. Two
touchdowns for d hop By the way, Hopkins they got
him for a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's incredible, and the Cowboys gave up a fourth round
pick for a receiver that can't separate.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's not quite Randy Moss, but do you remember it
was like, is de Hop washedon Tennessee and then he
comes to Kansas City and he's catching touchdown?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Like what going on here?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And again he's not a separator. He's not a sideline
separator guy. He is a high volume ten attempts, ten targets,
seven to eight catches, good in the red zone. And
it's like Brady talked about, you put d Hop with Mahomes.
You're like, oh, yeah, this works instantly. It is amazing.
When you watch these young receivers, you just think, hey,
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you go out in your run routes. It is these
guys get Alan Lazard and Aaron Rodgers passer rating is
a different level than Garrett Wilson, and Garrett Wilson's a
top fifteen receiver in the league. He's a tremendous player,
tremendous player.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I know we haven't seen a lot of them, but
Amari Cooper was trying to catch passes from Deshaun.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Watson first week with Josh Allen that's first week.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean he's hurt now, but I mean like Devonte.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Adams with Aaron Rodgers game two. Game one was little
nothing berger Game two made two big catches.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Right, So a step up from Gardner, Minshew or whoever
ate no cod, I don't remember who it was in
oaklup or Vegas.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So this was a very interesting comment. So we all
know there's about six essential things you need to be
like an elite team coach, GM, quarterback, pass rusher, weapon
or two stuff like that. And I think the Cleveland
Browns have the coach, the GM, and the pass rusher.
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They can get weapons. That's the easiest thing to get.
Get a weapon. You can get Pooka in the fifth round.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So, yesterday GM Andrew Barry was asked about Deshaun Watson.
This is a weird answer. We couldn't get clarity this
morning on the staff he said, it's almost possible for
Deshaun Watson to come back and play football for the Browns. Again, what,
it's always possible for Deshaun Watson to come back and
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play football for the Browns again this year. Ever, what
I think it's slipped. I think they're thinking about moving on,
and they're right. I would move on. I would cut
the bait. They're in year three because remember the first
year couldn't play. They're in year three of a five
year plan. It's an awful contract, so is Russell Wilson's.
And right now Denver's praying the price this year's salary
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cap and next year and Denver's fine. I think by
next year there'll be a playoff team. And by the way,
Russell Wilson's not a bad guy. He doesn't have twenty
five plus lawsuits. And Russell Wilson still can play. He
may not be great Russell Wilson, but he's good Russell Wilson.
Deshaun Watson is washed. He's not like by Cleveland fans.
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He has no leadership skills. I can tell the team
doesn't necessarily gravitate to him. Cut bait, move on. I mean, listen,
it's an awful contract. If I would have told you, hey,
a couple of years ago, the worst contract in the
history of the NFL, guess which franchise signed it. There'd
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be like six teams and the Browns would have been
one of them. You would have guessed. You wouldn't have
thought like less sneeds Danying Cronkey. You know, you wouldn't
have thought the Eagles. You would have guessed among other teams.
You know, a Dan Snyder team would do that, or
a Cleveland brown team would do that. What are you
waiting for? Move off him? I mean Denver moved off
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Russell Wilson and it believed me. Go look at their
dead cap hit today and next year. It's big, it's substantial.
They had to give up draft picks, they had to
give up everything. Denver's fine, Denver's not Kansas City, but
they're not bad. They got the quarterback right, they got
the coach right. So Cleveland's already got the coach and
the GM and the pass rusher. They're all elite. I
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think Stefanski, Andrew Berry, Miles Garrett great, great, great, you
can find weapons. Go get a culture creator. I mean,
go look at how bad the Chargers were. All they
did change the coach boom last to compete for first,
you don't need you get the coach in the quarterback
right or one of them. The Rams just got McVeigh.
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They had goff looked like a Buss got McVeigh boom,
double digit win, super bowls. So it's like, you got
so many of the elements in Cleveland, what are you
waiting for? Denver moved off Russ and Russ could still play.
They're paying for him to play for an AFC rival,
the Steelers. This get out of this thing. I mean,
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Deshaun Watson with the Brown so for I looked at
this up this morning. Think about what these numbers are.
Sixty one percent completion percentage, eighty one passer rating, nineteen touchdowns,
twelve picks. That's Kenny Pickett. Go look it up. That's
Kenny Pickett. And Kenny Pickett was a good guy. And
the Steelers they got to the playoffs and they moved
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off him, and he costs nothing. I mean. So so
it's it's like you can get this headache out of
the building. But that Andrew Berry, I mean, there's nothing
to salvage. The car is totaled here, there's nothing to salvage,
not like by the fans can't play. Everybody feels weird,
And I would argue I'm not some psychologist here, but
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I think his personal issues are affecting his play. I
think I think he's he's he's a mess upstairs. I
think the stress, the fans on the road. I mean,
I think it's just I think it's warn him. I
think it's aged him overnight. I listen. I mean it's
just Andrew Berry. You know they're having these conversations. I mean,
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Denver moved off Russell and he could still play. You know,
they're having these conversations. Jordan Schultz around the corner. Got
some NFL stuff breaking. He'll be in studio, Greg Cosell,
top of next hour. How about the Do you watch
the Warriors at all? Last night? They're playing twelve guys.
I've never seen this done before. They have a twelve
(29:07):
man rotation. They're seven and one, beat the Celtics in Boston.
I watched the second half.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's early, I know, but I didn't have them as
a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
First, they are the best defensive team on the wing
in the league. They got all these young kids.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
No Jalen Brown, no Porzingis. Let's not overreact. They are
looking sharp early.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Seven and one.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Did you have them as a playoff team?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I did.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Okay, doesn't make it here. I don't even know some
of the guys off the bench. I don't even know
who they are, but it's working. Seven and one. Yeah,
there was no Jalen Brown. It's called the NBA guys
miss games. They're playing twelve guys, whole bench. They had
a two. They had a guy hit a three pointer
last night. I came in this morning. That's that guy,
the bounce around guy. It's working. Steve Kirk culture, he's
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a musician.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
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Speaker 1 (29:58):
NFL Insider. Our guy at Fox, Jordan Schultz joining us
in studio. We don't get that very often. We appreciate
when you're in studio, your bikostal, you're everywhere, you're out east,
out here, we appreciate it. So with the trade deadline,
I thought they're really smart teams. The Baltimore's, the Kansas City,
the Buffalo. They got their excellent quarterbacks, veteran savvy receivers.
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D hopped Kansas City on Monday. It already works. I
didn't love the Cowboys move. What did you make of
that trade deadline move?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
So in terms of Dallas, I thought it was really
hasty this is a team that's not a receiver away
calling and with dak Now and I are we don't
know how long he's out To go out and get
Jonathan Mingo, a second round pick in Carolina two years
ago and give up a four it didn't make a
whole lot of sense. But this is the business that
Jerry Jones runs. It is not about winning football games.
And he said prior, we want to get a wide receiver.
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He really tipped his hand. He overpaid. I mean, think
about this.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They gave up a four back.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
To Carolina from Mingo Hopkins for Kansas City costs a
five that could become a four. So they completely overpaid.
And talk about Kansas City. What an unbelievable coup for
them to get d hop who three weeks ago, Colin
everyone was saying, this guy's washed, he can't play anymore,
he can't run. He goes out against Tampa, he has
over one hundred yards, two touchdowns. It is a completely
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different feel in one week for him in that offense
with Patrick Mahomes. And it's no coincidence that Travis Kelcey
had his best game of the year twelve thirteen catches,
was dominant and Kansas City told me that we want
Hop to play in the slot because he can move
the chains. That's similar to what Kelsey's going to do.
So now you have two guys that can play inside
and even though they're different positions, they can play off
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of one another.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh, by the way, they.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Have Xavier Worthy, who's going to take the top off
a defense, and they have Pacheco and hopefully Hollywood Brown
coming back soon as well. That offense feels a lot
different within one week. And Patrick Mahomes had his best
game of the year as well. So all of that
together makes me feel like Kansas City, who also got
Shushey two years ago ten and a half sacks, really
had a great deadline. I'll give you a couple more.
I thought Pittsburgh did quite well getting Mike Williams. Did
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not have great tape with the Jets, was not a
great fit with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers said his acl
really hurt him with us. He wasn't one hundred percent back.
But I think Mike Williams gives them a true fifty
to fifty ball winner.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's what we think in the red zone of special
that's all they need.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yeah, Pittsburgh told me three weeks ago Mike Williams was
the target because we need someone to play off with
George Pickens inside the twenties fifty to fifty ball. They
also got Preston Smith, a really good sixty eight and
a half sixty eight and a half Carris sacks, So
you add him to a defensive line strength on strength,
they have high Smith, they have lo Now you add
a guy who's been in playoff games in Preston Smith.
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And how about the Detroit Lions. What a job they did?
They get Zadarius Smith. He was with Green Bay. He
knows the NFC North really well. He has three Pro
Bowls to his name, he has eight playoff games. The
Detroit Lions are never going to be able to replace
Aiden Hutchinson, who leads league in sacks. But you bring
in Smith, who has probably the best experience that they
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could possibly get. And not only that, the Lions had
nobody else on the roster with more than two and
a half sacks this year. So you bring in a
guy who knows the division, can play big in big games,
and most importantly, can be a mentor to those young
guys bring them along. I love what Detroit.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Did yeah, we all love what Detroit has done for
the last four years. Their personnel departments really really good.
You know, it's interesting a couple of things here. Christian
McCaffrey's coming back, the Niners are at four and four.
I actually think the Rams and the Niners are going
to go on a real surge or Rams getting healthier,
the Niners getting cmc back. What do you think? He
I mean, your connections there? What does he do for
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that locker room and that team? Now?
Speaker 6 (33:44):
So I talked to a defensive coordinator whose team is
likely going to be in the playoffs, good defense, And
I said, if Christian McCaffrey comes back this week next week,
does that give San Francisco a legitimate Super Bowl push?
And he said, what Christian McCaffrey is going to do
for this offense is completely magnet ties it. And I said,
what do you mean by that? He said, Well, when
you're playing against Lebron James, for example, and the NBA
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cross sport analogy, and you know, we love those, your
entire game plan shifts to Lebron because you have to
take account for him on every single play. So even
even when McCaffrey doesn't have the football. This offense is
going to be a lot better. You're going to see
a big production increase from Kittle, Deebo, Samuel and then
brock Perty's come back down the earth the last few weeks. Yeah,
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but this is going to be a domino effect for
an offense in the red zone. I know you've talked
about this a lot. Twenty second in red zone percentage
in terms of touchdowns. Now you're going to see that
offense in the red zone get back into that top five,
top ten, that where they belong. So it's not like
he's not going to solve all their problems. And they've
had some injuries, but McCaffrey gives Kyle Shanahan that magnetizable
weapon that he hasn't had.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So it's pretty clear in the last four weeks, I
call it borders that. First of all, Philadelphia doesn't lose
when Jalen Hurts doesn't have turnovers. Now you're going to
have some again better teams, but they've put up almost
it's almost like when you bowl with your kids, you
put the things in the gutter. So what they've done
with the office, what do they call those bumpers? Bumpers? Yes,
what they've done with Jalen Hurts is we want you
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to run a little more. We're gonna We're gonna bring
about six to eight attempts down. And they have said, listen,
this is what we want you to do. And this
is what it feels like to me watching Philadelphia. They're
not the Bills have done this for years. They get
to Josh Allen centric. So Jalen can do some of
the things Josh can. But I always think you get
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less efficient the more you ask of a quarterback. When
I watched Philly, I think they found a formula for Jalen.
What do you hear?
Speaker 6 (35:42):
So I think the last few weeks he has played
his best football. And we talked about five or six
weeks ago. I think I mentioned I thought Philadelphia should
not be in panic mode. And it's the first time
in four years that Howie Roseman the GM did not
make a deal with the deadline. That tells me that
he feels really good about Jalen Hurts. He feels really
good about AJ Brown and DeVante Smith, who's had his
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two best games.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Of the year.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, I mean Saquon Barkley is really he's He's the
Magnus Carlson chess piece, He's three moves ahead of the
defense on every single play. He's the offensive to me
offensive player of the year, ahead of Derrick Henry right now.
He's been that dominant three times. He's been Player of
the Week in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would say he's third in my MVP race, so.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
You would go Lamar allenon, okay, so, and then maybe
Henry's four or five. So Saquon gives that offense an
entirely new dimension. I think it really helps Jalen with
the with the play action. Their play action yards has
gone up the last three weeks in terms of UH
it wasn't about five and a half six now it's
seven and seven and a half. He's throwing the ball
down the field little more. And then I think defensively
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they have found two terrific young corners. Cooper Dejean, who
they traded up to get in the second round and
Quinnyon Mitchell out of Toledo, who's their outside corner, their
speed guy, he can run with everyone. And then Degene
plays inside, he's a punt returner. Those two guys are
the big reason why Philly's defense through the pass aerial
attack is seventh in pass yards allowed. So and last
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year that was they were twenty fifth six.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Howie just didn't feel, Hey, we're getting better. We don't
need another piece.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
We don't need another piece. We're okay. We have a
really good offensive line. We got Dallas Gotter coming back.
We avoided disaster with the AJ Brown injury. So I
really like where Philly's at. And I like to what
you said, Jalen Hurts. If you can throw the ball
twenty two to twenty four times a game, run five
or six, that's the design. You don't want Jalen Hurts
throwing thirty five times.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't want Josh Allen and Mahomes throwing forty five.
I think offensive linemen are better going forward than back.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And I think anytime you ask an offensive tackle to
go back pedal forty five times, you're begging for trouble.
They want to go full speed ahead and pancake. And
I just don't like any quarterback throwing forty five times
a game. It's not a shot at Jalen Hurts, but
I just don't like it.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
It's you know, you remember the summer we had Dean
Dawkins in.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Studio from Brockbolo.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
I asked him how much more fun is it to
run block and he said, Man, run blocks, That's what
we like to do. Past block is a necessity. But
when you run block, now you're going to at you
control you control it. You're going forward. Your first move
is forward as supposed to back. So now all of
a sudden, you as an offensive line, get that momentum.
One movie we didn't talk about I want to address
because we're in the NFC East is Washington getting Marcus Laddim.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, he's I had a GM tell me he worries
about his health. Yeah, but the GM also said I
would have made the move, but it can be a
bit of a caution here he misses time.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
So we talked about Cleveland with the reset and Zidarias Smith.
New Orleans felt the same way with Marcus Lattimore. That's
been the one knock on him. He has been injured.
I don't think he's going to play this week. I
was told by the way I know he hasn't practiced
a whole lot. So, but long term, you think about
this season the second half Washington, that was the one
position they didn't have. They had a dearth of corners.
They drafted Emmanuel Forbes. I like him, hasn't played the
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last couple of weeks. Marcus Lattimer is a four time
Pro bowler, He's twenty eight years old, and he's a
vertical corner, physical side. So yes, and so I asked
the GM as well, why do you think they made
this move? Is it and all in now? He said
they made move so that they can go up against Philadelphia,
who's controlled that division in the last four years. That
Marcus Lattimore is gonna guard Devonte Smith, He's gonna guard
and he's gonna cover aj Brown. He can travel some.
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And dan Quinn has always had a lockdown corner with
his best defenses, whether it's Richard Sherman in Seattle. You
think about how good he was with Diggs or dron
Bland last year in Dallas, Marcus Lattimore is that they
have played more zone than dan Quinn would like this year.
Now you can play man that single high look. Marcus
Lattimore gives the Commanders a whole lot more flexibility defensively,
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and it's amazing calling what a great young electric talent
can do. In Jaden Daniels, He's changed the whole face
of the franchise, and I love what they did. They
were aggressive. They get a terrific, terrific corner who's only
twenty eight and by the way, this year six hundred grand.
That's always going to cost him, so he's very affordable.
Really good move by the commanders.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, Jordan Schultz, good stuff today. You brought you brought
good energy. They have so a dad start.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I got pop here, I got a little espresso, I
got my best friend, and I got j Mac talking
hoops before the second man. You know he lost the
playoff game this week, but he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, believe me, I've heard about it. Yeah, I heard
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Here we go. It is a Thursday, Big One Tonight,
Lamar and Joe Burrow live in Los Angeles. It's The
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Greg Cosell.
One hour from now, do you play fantasy football? Do
you bet on football? You want to get smarter at football?
(00:48):
Greg Olsen stops by Jordan Schultz later this hour. A
lot of things happening around the league right now. Coaches
on the hot seat, JMC. We all know that when
people are young, good parents man right like you as
a parent, me as a parent, we thought a lot
about that. We didn't want chaos there in support and
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little wisdom, do the best you can.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Occasional chaos is not the worst thing. In that not
the worst they're gonna have to deal with. It in
real life, in real.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Life, but I was thinking tonight it's a great example.
So tonight it's Lamar Jackson, a great young talent, and
Joe Burrow equally a great young talent, and one of them.
Baltimore is the guidebook on how to help raise your
star quarterback. One is how to hinder it. So let's
(01:41):
just talk Lamar Jackson. So he gets to Baltimore, he
gets to sit for a while behind a veteran of
pro Joe Flacco. They don't draft him to start day one,
and very soon after John Harbaugh signs an extension no chaos,
veteran coach extended. They re sign a left tackle, a
Ronnie Stanley. They eventually draft a center over the course
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of time, Tyler Lindebaum left tackle center, very valuable by
the way. They eventually shift offensive coordinators. As Lamar grows
in the pocket, is a better passer to Todd Monkin,
who they feel previous coordinator was good. This guy's a
bit more past centric. So as Lamar grows, they add
Zave Flowers, and then this year they add Dereck Henry
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and they add at the deadline another receiver. Offense. Offense, weapons, weapons,
They've changed coordinators to a more pass centric coordinator. As
Lamar has grown, they don't ask him to start. They
extend the great coach left tackle and center. Outstanding centers
don't get drafted much in the first round. Baltimore says, yep.
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By the way, Kansas City did the same for Mahomes,
went and got a center. All they're doing, what can
we do to make this kid flourish? Now? Go to
Joe Burwin Cincinnati. You wonder why he looks perpetually pissed.
He inherits and has to start immediately. Zach Taylor, we
still don't know if he's good. Coach. The offensive line,
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they can't get it right. It's ranked twenty seventh this year.
It was twenty sixth last year. I think a couple
of years ago was rated lower. They can't get the
offensive line right. This offseason, they let go of Joe Mixon,
who I've been saying for years is a top five
running back. He's had some stuff off the field starting
in college, but he's really good. And oh by the way,
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they let him go, and Cincinnati has no run game
and a bad offensive line. Oh, by the way, they
lose their offensive coordinator. Or a really sharp kid Callahan.
He goes to Tennessee. Do they comb the market, Do
they get into a bidding war for Cliff Kingsbury? No, No,
they just move one of the guys on the staff up. Oh,
(03:54):
by the way, they've got two really good receivers playing
hardball with both. Higgins not gonna play tonight probably, and
he won't laugh, He'll be gone, and Jamar Chase is unhappy.
I mean, that's the difference between the parents being at home,
the parents adding wisdom, the parents not demanding too much
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too soon. As the kid grows, the parents challenge support
and hey, you're on your own. Mom and dad are
going out seeing a week Baltimore the entire time. What
can we do to slowly grow this incredible young athlete?
And Cincinnati, how can we save money? Didn't even make
(04:39):
a play on Cliff Kingsbury. Let's just take a guy
on the staff. Guy and the staff may be good,
but generally, in any company, it could be Nike, it
could be Intel. Generally you want a global search to
get the best guy. Generally, So, as J. F. K,
one of our great presidents, once said, ask not what
your quarterback can do for you, Ask what you can
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do for your quotaback. One franchise gets it, one is
trying to save money. And that said, I think tonight's
really competitive. Wouldn't be shocked if Burrow wins. But everybody
keeps asking, well, why is Joe Burrow so grumpy? You
would be too. Burrow's the only great quarterback in the
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NFL that doesn't have either an elite coach or a
really stacked roster. Goff does Herbert Roster's good Mahomes, Josh
Allen Lamar, Jalen Hurts. I even like c J. Stroud roster.
Joe Burrow trying to save money in Cincinnati. That's why
(05:46):
he has a perpetual scowln all right, So it was
interesting yesterday a Bear's quarterback Caleb Williams. Isn't it amazing
when you draft a quarterback, even if they don't succeed early,
it makes the franchise much more interesting. Williams had a
moment of honesty. He said, it's getting really frustrating over
the years, I work really hard on my accuracy, and
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I'm really kind of struggling at times. I pride myself
not being accurate, not being on time is a really
frustrating thing for me, and he has struggled this year.
So this is where in my business, in this little
TV radio business, the media never wants to be wrong.
So a lot of people in the media are terrified
to have a strong opinion. And there is a fine
(06:30):
line from rushing to judgment and identifying the truth. It's
a fine line. I get that. But three games in
and we were right. C J. Strouds better than Bryce Young, bigger, stronger,
(06:51):
more accurate, more self awareness. He's better. That was not
rushing to judgment. You all watched the American idol or
the voice. How many keys does it take? How many
lines does it take? How many lyrics the melody? Can
you tell him? Like nine seconds?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Stroud three games in better than Bryce Young? It's been right,
by the way, five games in, same draft class, justin
Herbert Tua. Herbert was better. He was breaking records and
didn't have an elite coach. He was bigger, he was stronger,
he was more mobile, he could take hits better. It
took about five six games. Herbert's better than Tua. So
(07:30):
when you look at Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, one
of the things I don't think this is rushing to judgment.
I think this is identifying. The truth is that Jaden
Daniels will be a more accurate thrower of the football.
He was in college at LSU seventy percent. He's at
seventy one percent now. Is Jaden Daniels is better at
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delivering the ball accurately? So far this year, Jaden Daniels,
it would set an all time rookie record seventy one
and a half percent completion percentage. Caleb Williams is close
to the borderline sixty one passer rating one six seven
to eighty three. So accuracy is a big deal in
the NFL, and I don't think it's rushing to judgment
(08:17):
to say that, Yes, Jaden will be a more accurate
distributor of the football in his career, and that matters
a lot. And here's something else, because they're both mobile leadership.
We saw it in college with Caleb. He can be moody,
he can brood. We've never seen that with Jaden Daniels.
(08:40):
At LSU Arizona State NFL camp season, teammates love him,
coach love him. Players in the NFL privately calling their
agents and telling them I want to play for the Commanders. Meanwhile, Caleb,
he and Dj Moore, what's the riff he and his
offensive coordinator. It's not ideal, I think in the leadership
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department right now, and I think Caleb's really talented. But accuracy,
I'm making a definitive opinion. It's just easier. Jaden is
an easier got a better rhythm, it's more effortless. He's
just a more accurate deliver of the football. And we
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knew that coming out of college. That was the knock.
That's what the scout said, and we all said it.
Caleb can get, he can get a little inaccurate. You
got to pull him back into the fair away. He
can Galuf and the Weeds sometime. Mechanics side arm in it.
That's why it was compared. And leadership. The things that
people question, the fingernail stuff, the jumping in the crowd,
(09:45):
the moody, the brooding a little bit with Caleb, I
think we've seen it and we've seen no sign of that.
Nothing but great leadership from Jayden Daniels. So right now today,
that doesn't mean Caleb couldn't win a Super Bowl or
be dominant if he gets the right coach that's not
what I'm saying, but accuracy and leadership. I think there's
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a separation so far. I think Caleb's been noisy, the
Bears have been noisy, and Washington just keeps blowing people
out and competing with the best teams in the league.
So I think there is a fine line between rushing
to judgment and identifying the truth. And that's not to
say Caleb's not going to work. I like him a lot.
(10:30):
I don't think this is the right head coach. I
don't think it's the right coordinator. The offensive lines regressed.
I am not saying they're not reasons accuracy leadership. All
I'm saying is I see a separation many of the scouts.
If you go online and look it up. The concerns
with Caleb have surfaced, and the one primary concern with
(10:51):
Jaden Daniels thin little slight could get injured, been banged
that one game, but hasn't really been an issue. Okay,
j Mac. I'm excited for Greg Cosell this week because
there's a couple of things that I saw last week,
and I think when you get to week ten in
the NFL season, We've said this for the last two
(11:13):
weeks and I think I think tonight, if Baltimore blows
out Cincinnati, you have a separation between the haves and
have nots. I still think there's a few have nots
hanging on. Maybe the Jets are still hanging on the Dolphins,
I have not hanging on, Cincinnati have not hanging on?
Is this the weekend we give up on the have nots?
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The life preserver doesn't work?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Possibly, and there is one team. There's some breaking ish
news now. I'm sure you saw before the show about
a certain quarterback. The games come off the board, you
cannot gamble on it. Quarterback's going to apparently miss this week.
And now there's reports maybe surgery.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, we need the good quarterbacks playing.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Bottom line, When Patrick Mahomes got hurt briefly on Monday,
I was like, come on, please, you know I'm not
a chief scuy need not how many Mahomes in the.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Game, No, I mean Baker Mayfield. It wasn't Mahomes that
made that game compelling. Baker Mayfield playing without a star
receivers running around making plays actually saved the night.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
By the way, Baker hosting the Niners off of by
a short week.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Have you looked at that?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Is that gonna make the plays of five?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
If it?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If it doesn't, you got problems, buddy. There's one layup
on the board.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
See yes, there is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
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Speaker 1 (12:33):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great rates none of the bull. So in a moment
of honesty and clarity, Jets receiver Garrett Wilson acknowledged he
said it's his fault. He says discussing he and Aaron Rodgers,
that he's missing plays, he can struggle with some of
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the signs and the signals, and that it's very, very
complex and Aaron is very demand. Aaron, as you recall,
got frustrated with young Green Bay wide receivers, and I
have said this is where Brady and Aaron Rodgers are
very similar, two very heady guys who don't want to
be babysitters. And I support Brady and Aaron with this.
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Although I do think Garrett Wilson is a sensational talent.
Aaron's passer rating with Garrett Wilson is eighty five with
Alan Lazard. It's in the one twenties. What does that
tell you is that Brady worked with Randy Moss and
Wes Welker. He also worked in Tampa when he had
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Mike Evans and then he brought along gronk an Ab.
But for years New England whiffed on first round, second round,
third round receivers. Edelman took four years to work. And
we know how smart and diligent Julian Edelman is. Is
that Lebron, James, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady don't like
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working with young kids. Lebron doesn't mind working with his
own kid. I get it, Dad, but they don't like
working with young kids. And when when Tom went to Tampa,
get me, Lenny Fournette, dumpoffs, get me, Dronkin Ab and
Mike Evans G or seven. So it's interesting here as
the young kid is acknowledging, Yeah, I'm struggling with this stuff.
And you know that. That's why when de Hop goes
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to Kansas City, I'm watching that game and I'm like,
it looks like he's been there for eight years. That
back of the end zone touchdown, and that's how Moss
and Welker were with Tom Brady. And that's why Lebron,
James and d Wade eight games in, Lebron James and
Anthony Davis second game in. It works. Guys with short
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careers and short shelfs lives do not want to be
babysitters and mentors. Aaron Rodgers wants to win now, so
does Tom and his prime, and so does Lebron. And
that's why it's up to a general manager to get
it right. Just drafting a why it's it's okay when
Jordan Loved generationally is young, and so were the receivers.
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That's different because Jordan Love is growing. Tom's fully grown,
Aaron's fully grown. This is what you get. Lebron knows
the game. You're not gonna play with kids. He's got
no interest Kuzma ball. He didn't want him. Get me
grown ups. Tom Brady yesterday we talked about this and
I asked him, like you and Randy Moss, like you
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work within two practices. You and Mike Evans, you worked instantly.
You didn't know Mike Evans. Why I remember playing with
certain rookie receivers.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Literally, it was like the first day of.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
OTAs and I'd call like, hey, run a slant and
he looked at me like a slant, okay, And that's
kind of the most generic route looks since we were
running those in in parking lots, you know, with your friends.
And there was a few guys I played with that
would they'd start the route slow, then they'd speed up
into the break, then they'd slow down coming out of
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the break, and then they'd look for the ball. And
I look at him like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, but you didn't have to do that with Welker, Moss,
Mike Evans, a young Chris Godwin, they figured it out
pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But it was.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Immediately Mike Evans, immediately, Wes Welker, Randy Moss. Stuff worked instantly,
and Aaron with Alan Lazard passer rating is the highest
on the team, not the more gifted receiver. Garrett Wilson,
I get the pro athlete. It's up to the general
manager to figure this out. I get the pro athlete,
the all time great, the Aaron, the Lebron, the Brady saying,
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not a mentor. It's not my job. I'm not a babysitter.
Get me guys who can play and can run routes
Today now Sunday. J Macklin News, no turns.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All right, let's start with Josh Allen. I'm having a
great season. Seventeen touchdowns, only two picks. Bills are seven
and two coasty to the AFC East crowned. We talked
about just how good Alan has been in the red zone,
but McDermott believes he's taking a huge step forward in
his development.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
You watch his comfort level in the pocket, you watch
his progression, progression, progressing through his progressions and his progression reads.
I just think when you play that quarterback position, there's
just so much when he's coming into the league on
one's shoulders, whether it's on the field or off the field,
and he's done a great job of chipping away at
that growth and into that kind of workload. And where
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he is now, is I really believe he's at the
top of his game.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I think that goes without question. If you take
the reckless out, he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
What is it the reckless what makes him amazing?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, No, I don't I don't buy. I think I
think Stafford, Josh Allen, there's a little bit of that
and I'm okay with it a little bit, but I
think it can be mostly coached out if you have
the right plan, the right protection. I mean Stafford, by
the way, he'll have reckless throws. But I don't, I don't.
I don't think he has been as Puka Nakua arrived
with Cooper Cup the got the kid to Marius Robinson.
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He's not. He hit DeMarcus Robinson. He had a really
bad pick at Chicago. Remember that pick he threw in
the end zone. He had a terrible pick? Did Stafford
in Chicago? Yeah, but he's had about two all year,
like really bad ones. Malmes had like five.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So if you had to beat the Chiefs in one
playoff game, who would you rather have? Stafford or Josh
all There's just such different quarterbacks, different in their career.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I think probably Josh Allen because
he can run. I think his ability to move is
such an advantage.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I agree with that, But you know, show me the
playoff game he showed up and won as an underdog.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well he did. He did give them a lead with
thirteen seconds to go in a game and his defense failed.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
They with that game.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well, again, he did his job.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh Rock Party in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
He did his job, went down the field, scored well,
but the defense didn't do their job.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How much time was left.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
It was overtime. See what I did there defending my
guy Purty. Shout out the Brock Party.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Anyway, let's get to the Niners.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Christian McCaffrey. Big news.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
He's probably gonna go this week for the Niners in Tampa,
coming off.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
The Achilles injury.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
We haven't got official confirmation whether or not he'll play,
and Shanahan is being very coy about his status.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
At what points do you think there will be a
decision on whether or not Christian plays Sunday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
To like publicly kickoffs.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
In your mind, what do you need to see from
him or what does he need to tell you that
he's just Christian McCaffrey and he's not hurting. But you know,
as long as everything goes well it has in the rehab,
so just as long as it doesn't get sore and
have setbacks each day with practice. Usually if you get
that in practice, that means it's gonna be worse than
the game. So hopefully you can strain together three days
in a row and I'm not to have any of those.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Is he Mac He's coming back. He's gonna have a
nice Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I texted some of the guys on the staff, I
think this game will be in headlines on Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, this may be a Blaze games.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So a quick reminder on the Niners. So last year
they lost three straight heading into their BI. Remember there
was the Browns game where they had some injuries, and
then the Vikings and then the Bengals. They came out
of the BI going to Jacksonville, flying across the country
to Florida, and they waxed up thirty four to three.
I have video on my phone safe because I love it.
Deebo Samuel coming out of the tunnel before the game.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And you can see them. They're dancing. They are all
juiced up, ready to go. Smash.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Jacksonville won on a huge tear. Now you're getting McCaffrey back,
Debo back, Jennings back.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, this is Smash Spot.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Good luck, good luck this weekend.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's a Smash Spot.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Final story. Colin is Yeah, we gotta go here.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Patrick Mahomes reaggravated that ankle injury late in Monday's overtime
win over the bucks.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
After the touchdown passed to p Ryan, Mahomes was helped
off the field. Everybody was nervous, holding their breath. He
did not miss a snap.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The bionic Mahomes has not been limited in practice, and
he talked about playing this.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Week, and you have a little bit of a role.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's a little bit of sort, but I'm able to
move around and look forward getting out of practice and
seeing the how I can push it as as the
week goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You can only do so much.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I mean, obviously it's pretty late, but getting some stuff
in the training room after the game and getting some
stuff to take home. You throw it on there. Stuff
you can do overnight that you put on there to
kind of reduce swelling.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He'll be fine, that's my answer to Patrick Mahomes. He'll
be fine.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
He's always fine.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Listen to all these guys by week four banged up.
There's no healthy player in the NFL, perfectly healthy player
except maybe punters. Nobody's healthy in this league at week four.
That's why when I see this load management stuff, I laugh.
These NFL guys are all playing through injuries. All NBA
guys like you, I got a headache.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Can take unnecessary shots.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
All right, I'm just curious. You're your Broncos Peyton and Nix.
Tough spot rookie quarterback against Steve Spagnolo's blitz happy defense.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Banged up Mahomes off an overtime extra session game against
the Denver team, Okay, division rival game, getting a ton
of points. Just got humiliated. Watched Denver play. Very good
for me? Really, yes, wow, bo.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Nicks on the road.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, it's actually this is a one pm kickoff, so
it won't be an issue.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know, the night time, so it's a.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Short week, one o'clock window. Denver is gonna be just fine.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Really, yes, you're not putting this blazon five?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You're going against my home.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Some people have that kind of courage. Others are afraid
to meet the challenge. Well, listen, this is a year
for favorites. Favorites are dominating, not just the NFL. I'm
talking like every sport election. Favorites are crushing this year.
You get in front of Patrick Mahomes, good luck with that.
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I guess maybe Sirtan can lock down Deondrery Hopkins. Two
touchdowns for d hop By the way, Hopkins they got
him for a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's incredible, and the Cowboys gave up a fourth round
pick for a receiver that can't separate.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's not quite Randy Moss, but do you remember it
was like, is de Hop washedon Tennessee and then he
comes to Kansas City and he's catching touchdown?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Like what going on here?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And again he's not a separator. He's not a sideline
separator guy. He is a high volume ten attempts, ten targets,
seven to eight catches, good in the red zone. And
it's like Brady talked about, you put d Hop with Mahomes.
You're like, oh, yeah, this works instantly. It is amazing.
When you watch these young receivers, you just think, hey,
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you go out in your run routes. It is these
guys get Alan Lazard and Aaron Rodgers passer rating is
a different level than Garrett Wilson, and Garrett Wilson's a
top fifteen receiver in the league. He's a tremendous player,
tremendous player.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I know we haven't seen a lot of them, but
Amari Cooper was trying to catch passes from Deshaun.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Watson first week with Josh Allen that's first week.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean he's hurt now, but I mean like Devonte.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Adams with Aaron Rodgers game two. Game one was little
nothing berger Game two made two big catches.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Right, So a step up from Gardner, Minshew or whoever
ate no cod, I don't remember who it was in
oaklup or Vegas.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So this was a very interesting comment. So we all
know there's about six essential things you need to be
like an elite team coach, GM, quarterback, pass rusher, weapon
or two stuff like that. And I think the Cleveland
Browns have the coach, the GM, and the pass rusher.
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They can get weapons. That's the easiest thing to get.
Get a weapon. You can get Pooka in the fifth round.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So, yesterday GM Andrew Barry was asked about Deshaun Watson.
This is a weird answer. We couldn't get clarity this
morning on the staff he said, it's almost possible for
Deshaun Watson to come back and play football for the Browns. Again, what,
it's always possible for Deshaun Watson to come back and
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play football for the Browns again this year. Ever, what
I think it's slipped. I think they're thinking about moving on,
and they're right. I would move on. I would cut
the bait. They're in year three because remember the first
year couldn't play. They're in year three of a five
year plan. It's an awful contract, so is Russell Wilson's.
And right now Denver's praying the price this year's salary
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cap and next year and Denver's fine. I think by
next year there'll be a playoff team. And by the way,
Russell Wilson's not a bad guy. He doesn't have twenty
five plus lawsuits. And Russell Wilson still can play. He
may not be great Russell Wilson, but he's good Russell Wilson.
Deshaun Watson is washed. He's not like by Cleveland fans.
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He has no leadership skills. I can tell the team
doesn't necessarily gravitate to him. Cut bait, move on. I mean, listen,
it's an awful contract. If I would have told you, hey,
a couple of years ago, the worst contract in the
history of the NFL, guess which franchise signed it. There'd
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be like six teams and the Browns would have been
one of them. You would have guessed. You wouldn't have
thought like less sneeds Danying Cronkey. You know, you wouldn't
have thought the Eagles. You would have guessed among other teams.
You know, a Dan Snyder team would do that, or
a Cleveland brown team would do that. What are you
waiting for? Move off him? I mean Denver moved off
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Russell Wilson and it believed me. Go look at their
dead cap hit today and next year. It's big, it's substantial.
They had to give up draft picks, they had to
give up everything. Denver's fine, Denver's not Kansas City, but
they're not bad. They got the quarterback right, they got
the coach right. So Cleveland's already got the coach and
the GM and the pass rusher. They're all elite. I
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think Stefanski, Andrew Berry, Miles Garrett great, great, great, you
can find weapons. Go get a culture creator. I mean,
go look at how bad the Chargers were. All they
did change the coach boom last to compete for first,
you don't need you get the coach in the quarterback
right or one of them. The Rams just got McVeigh.
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They had goff looked like a Buss got McVeigh boom,
double digit win, super bowls. So it's like, you got
so many of the elements in Cleveland, what are you
waiting for? Denver moved off Russ and Russ could still play.
They're paying for him to play for an AFC rival,
the Steelers. This get out of this thing. I mean,
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Deshaun Watson with the Brown so for I looked at
this up this morning. Think about what these numbers are.
Sixty one percent completion percentage, eighty one passer rating, nineteen touchdowns,
twelve picks. That's Kenny Pickett. Go look it up. That's
Kenny Pickett. And Kenny Pickett was a good guy. And
the Steelers they got to the playoffs and they moved
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off him, and he costs nothing. I mean. So so
it's it's like you can get this headache out of
the building. But that Andrew Berry, I mean, there's nothing
to salvage. The car is totaled here, there's nothing to salvage,
not like by the fans can't play. Everybody feels weird,
And I would argue I'm not some psychologist here, but
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I think his personal issues are affecting his play. I
think I think he's he's he's a mess upstairs. I
think the stress, the fans on the road. I mean,
I think it's just I think it's warn him. I
think it's aged him overnight. I listen. I mean it's
just Andrew Berry. You know they're having these conversations. I mean,
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Denver moved off Russell and he could still play. You know,
they're having these conversations. Jordan Schultz around the corner. Got
some NFL stuff breaking. He'll be in studio, Greg Cosell,
top of next hour. How about the Do you watch
the Warriors at all? Last night? They're playing twelve guys.
I've never seen this done before. They have a twelve
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man rotation. They're seven and one, beat the Celtics in Boston.
I watched the second half.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's early, I know, but I didn't have them as
a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
First, they are the best defensive team on the wing
in the league. They got all these young kids.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
No Jalen Brown, no Porzingis. Let's not overreact. They are
looking sharp early.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Seven and one.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Did you have them as a playoff team?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I did.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Okay, doesn't make it here. I don't even know some
of the guys off the bench. I don't even know
who they are, but it's working. Seven and one. Yeah,
there was no Jalen Brown. It's called the NBA guys
miss games. They're playing twelve guys, whole bench. They had
a two. They had a guy hit a three pointer
last night. I came in this morning. That's that guy,
the bounce around guy. It's working. Steve Kirk culture, he's
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a musician.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
NFL Insider. Our guy at Fox, Jordan Schultz joining us
in studio. We don't get that very often. We appreciate
when you're in studio, your bikostal, you're everywhere, you're out east,
out here, we appreciate it. So with the trade deadline,
I thought they're really smart teams. The Baltimore's, the Kansas City,
the Buffalo. They got their excellent quarterbacks, veteran savvy receivers.
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D hopped Kansas City on Monday. It already works. I
didn't love the Cowboys move. What did you make of
that trade deadline move?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
So in terms of Dallas, I thought it was really
hasty this is a team that's not a receiver away
calling and with dak Now and I are we don't
know how long he's out To go out and get
Jonathan Mingo, a second round pick in Carolina two years
ago and give up a four it didn't make a
whole lot of sense. But this is the business that
Jerry Jones runs. It is not about winning football games.
And he said prior, we want to get a wide receiver.
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He really tipped his hand. He overpaid. I mean, think
about this.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
They gave up a four back.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
To Carolina from Mingo Hopkins for Kansas City costs a
five that could become a four. So they completely overpaid.
And talk about Kansas City. What an unbelievable coup for
them to get d hop who three weeks ago, Colin
everyone was saying, this guy's washed, he can't play anymore,
he can't run. He goes out against Tampa, he has
over one hundred yards, two touchdowns. It is a completely
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different feel in one week for him in that offense
with Patrick Mahomes. And it's no coincidence that Travis Kelcey
had his best game of the year twelve thirteen catches,
was dominant and Kansas City told me that we want
Hop to play in the slot because he can move
the chains. That's similar to what Kelsey's going to do.
So now you have two guys that can play inside
and even though they're different positions, they can play off
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of one another.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh, by the way, they.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Have Xavier Worthy, who's going to take the top off
a defense, and they have Pacheco and hopefully Hollywood Brown
coming back soon as well. That offense feels a lot
different within one week. And Patrick Mahomes had his best
game of the year as well. So all of that
together makes me feel like Kansas City, who also got
Shushey two years ago ten and a half sacks, really
had a great deadline. I'll give you a couple more.
I thought Pittsburgh did quite well getting Mike Williams. Did
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not have great tape with the Jets, was not a
great fit with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers said his acl
really hurt him with us. He wasn't one hundred percent back.
But I think Mike Williams gives them a true fifty
to fifty ball winner.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's what we think in the red zone of special
that's all they need.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yeah, Pittsburgh told me three weeks ago Mike Williams was
the target because we need someone to play off with
George Pickens inside the twenties fifty to fifty ball. They
also got Preston Smith, a really good sixty eight and
a half sixty eight and a half Carris sacks, So
you add him to a defensive line strength on strength,
they have high Smith, they have lo Now you add
a guy who's been in playoff games in Preston Smith.
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And how about the Detroit Lions. What a job they did?
They get Zadarius Smith. He was with Green Bay. He
knows the NFC North really well. He has three Pro
Bowls to his name, he has eight playoff games. The
Detroit Lions are never going to be able to replace
Aiden Hutchinson, who leads league in sacks. But you bring
in Smith, who has probably the best experience that they
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could possibly get. And not only that, the Lions had
nobody else on the roster with more than two and
a half sacks this year. So you bring in a
guy who knows the division, can play big in big games,
and most importantly, can be a mentor to those young
guys bring them along. I love what Detroit.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Did yeah, we all love what Detroit has done for
the last four years. Their personnel departments really really good.
You know, it's interesting a couple of things here. Christian
McCaffrey's coming back, the Niners are at four and four.
I actually think the Rams and the Niners are going
to go on a real surge or Rams getting healthier,
the Niners getting cmc back. What do you think? He
I mean, your connections there? What does he do for
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that locker room and that team? Now?
Speaker 6 (33:44):
So I talked to a defensive coordinator whose team is
likely going to be in the playoffs, good defense, And
I said, if Christian McCaffrey comes back this week next week,
does that give San Francisco a legitimate Super Bowl push?
And he said, what Christian McCaffrey is going to do
for this offense is completely magnet ties it. And I said,
what do you mean by that? He said, Well, when
you're playing against Lebron James, for example, and the NBA
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cross sport analogy, and you know, we love those, your
entire game plan shifts to Lebron because you have to
take account for him on every single play. So even
even when McCaffrey doesn't have the football. This offense is
going to be a lot better. You're going to see
a big production increase from Kittle, Deebo, Samuel and then
brock Perty's come back down the earth the last few weeks. Yeah,
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but this is going to be a domino effect for
an offense in the red zone. I know you've talked
about this a lot. Twenty second in red zone percentage
in terms of touchdowns. Now you're going to see that
offense in the red zone get back into that top five,
top ten, that where they belong. So it's not like
he's not going to solve all their problems. And they've
had some injuries, but McCaffrey gives Kyle Shanahan that magnetizable
weapon that he hasn't had.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So it's pretty clear in the last four weeks, I
call it borders that. First of all, Philadelphia doesn't lose
when Jalen Hurts doesn't have turnovers. Now you're going to
have some again better teams, but they've put up almost
it's almost like when you bowl with your kids, you
put the things in the gutter. So what they've done
with the office, what do they call those bumpers? Bumpers? Yes,
what they've done with Jalen Hurts is we want you
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to run a little more. We're gonna We're gonna bring
about six to eight attempts down. And they have said, listen,
this is what we want you to do. And this
is what it feels like to me watching Philadelphia. They're
not the Bills have done this for years. They get
to Josh Allen centric. So Jalen can do some of
the things Josh can. But I always think you get
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less efficient the more you ask of a quarterback. When
I watched Philly, I think they found a formula for Jalen.
What do you hear?
Speaker 6 (35:42):
So I think the last few weeks he has played
his best football. And we talked about five or six
weeks ago. I think I mentioned I thought Philadelphia should
not be in panic mode. And it's the first time
in four years that Howie Roseman the GM did not
make a deal with the deadline. That tells me that
he feels really good about Jalen Hurts. He feels really
good about AJ Brown and DeVante Smith, who's had his
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two best games.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Of the year.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, I mean Saquon Barkley is really he's He's the
Magnus Carlson chess piece, He's three moves ahead of the
defense on every single play. He's the offensive to me
offensive player of the year, ahead of Derrick Henry right now.
He's been that dominant three times. He's been Player of
the Week in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would say he's third in my MVP race, so.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
You would go Lamar allenon, okay, so, and then maybe
Henry's four or five. So Saquon gives that offense an
entirely new dimension. I think it really helps Jalen with
the with the play action. Their play action yards has
gone up the last three weeks in terms of UH
it wasn't about five and a half six now it's
seven and seven and a half. He's throwing the ball
down the field little more. And then I think defensively
(36:44):
they have found two terrific young corners. Cooper Dejean, who
they traded up to get in the second round and
Quinnyon Mitchell out of Toledo, who's their outside corner, their
speed guy, he can run with everyone. And then Degene
plays inside, he's a punt returner. Those two guys are
the big reason why Philly's defense through the pass aerial
attack is seventh in pass yards allowed. So and last
(37:06):
year that was they were twenty fifth six.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Howie just didn't feel, Hey, we're getting better. We don't
need another piece.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
We don't need another piece. We're okay. We have a
really good offensive line. We got Dallas Gotter coming back.
We avoided disaster with the AJ Brown injury. So I
really like where Philly's at. And I like to what
you said, Jalen Hurts. If you can throw the ball
twenty two to twenty four times a game, run five
or six, that's the design. You don't want Jalen Hurts
throwing thirty five times.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I don't want Josh Allen and Mahomes throwing forty five.
I think offensive linemen are better going forward than back.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And I think anytime you ask an offensive tackle to
go back pedal forty five times, you're begging for trouble.
They want to go full speed ahead and pancake. And
I just don't like any quarterback throwing forty five times
a game. It's not a shot at Jalen Hurts, but
I just don't like it.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
It's you know, you remember the summer we had Dean
Dawkins in.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Studio from Brockbolo.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
I asked him how much more fun is it to
run block and he said, Man, run blocks, That's what
we like to do. Past block is a necessity. But
when you run block, now you're going to at you
control you control it. You're going forward. Your first move
is forward as supposed to back. So now all of
a sudden, you as an offensive line, get that momentum.
One movie we didn't talk about I want to address
because we're in the NFC East is Washington getting Marcus Laddim.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
No, he's I had a GM tell me he worries
about his health. Yeah, but the GM also said I
would have made the move, but it can be a
bit of a caution here he misses time.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
So we talked about Cleveland with the reset and Zidarias Smith.
New Orleans felt the same way with Marcus Lattimore. That's
been the one knock on him. He has been injured.
I don't think he's going to play this week. I
was told by the way I know he hasn't practiced
a whole lot. So, but long term, you think about
this season the second half Washington, that was the one
position they didn't have. They had a dearth of corners.
They drafted Emmanuel Forbes. I like him, hasn't played the
(38:48):
last couple of weeks. Marcus Lattimer is a four time
Pro bowler, He's twenty eight years old, and he's a
vertical corner, physical side. So yes, and so I asked
the GM as well, why do you think they made
this move? Is it and all in now? He said
they made move so that they can go up against Philadelphia,
who's controlled that division in the last four years. That
Marcus Lattimore is gonna guard Devonte Smith, He's gonna guard
and he's gonna cover aj Brown. He can travel some.
(39:10):
And dan Quinn has always had a lockdown corner with
his best defenses, whether it's Richard Sherman in Seattle. You
think about how good he was with Diggs or dron
Bland last year in Dallas, Marcus Lattimore is that they
have played more zone than dan Quinn would like this year.
Now you can play man that single high look. Marcus
Lattimore gives the Commanders a whole lot more flexibility defensively,
(39:31):
and it's amazing calling what a great young electric talent
can do. In Jaden Daniels, He's changed the whole face
of the franchise, and I love what they did. They
were aggressive. They get a terrific, terrific corner who's only
twenty eight and by the way, this year six hundred grand.
That's always going to cost him, so he's very affordable.
Really good move by the commanders.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, Jordan Schultz, good stuff today. You brought you brought
good energy. They have so a dad start.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I got pop here, I got a little espresso, I
got my best friend, and I got j Mac talking
hoops before the second man. You know he lost the
playoff game this week, but he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, believe me, I've heard about it. Yeah, I heard
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