November 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Colin looks at the wins pulled off by both the Lions and the Chiefs and what this tells us about their hopes of contending for a Super Bowl
The Bears can't seem to get the simple things right
The Steelers are having a surprisingly good season so far
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Monday. We are officially past
the halfway point in the NFL. Live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be. However, you may
be listening one hour from now. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong. Thank you for joining us on
Veterans Day today. You know, you can tell there are
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certain things Jmac that separate the halves in this league
from the have nots. Often it's a great coach, which
they don't have in Chicago. Often it's a great quarterback.
But I thought yesterday very symbolic of a real separation.
You can tell yesterday was the ultimate sign for all
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you fans out there. Are we a have or we
have none? And so we'll start the show with that.
Three teams San Francisco did not play well yet, one
on the road Detroit didn't play well at all, yet
on the road beat a pretty good team. Kansas City
at home, did not play well and yet won. Niners
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Lions Chiefs did not play well and survived. And that
is the difference. Chicago played poorly at home, blown out.
Dallas played poorly at home, blown out, not competitive Jets
on the road. You don't have to ask, you don't
have to argue. The good teams in this league, the
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special ones, can go on the road play their worst
game of the year by far. Let's talk about Detroit.
Jared Goff has five picks. This is a team built
around their offensive line. In run game, they got pushed
all over the field. It felt like a Super Bowl
for Houston, even though they were missioning their best rush
in they got massive energy, tons of juice. Golf off
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his game. Golf was behind receivers. Nothing worked in the
first half. Even early in the third quarter, Detroit gets
a pick, they give the ball right back their dominant
offensive line. First half getting pushed around the field. They
could not play worse, and yet their last three possessions
enough playmakers. Golf settles down touchdown, field goal, field goal,
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and they win. They are good on third down. They
have playmakers. You know, total yards, they had far more
total yards. They get to omor on Saint Brown. They're
running backs, their tight end, they just figured out away.
Put on the life preserver, stay afloat, get down the field,
kick field goals. Let's get out of here. This was
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a team Detroit that had played at such a high
level for two months. A stinker was coming against a
good team on the road Sunday night football, standalone game
and they won. Go look at Kansas City short week,
off an overtime game. They look fatigued, big favorite at home,
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trailed going into the fourth quarter. Here were the Kansas
City Chiefs. Did not play very well. Bo Nicks was
super comfortable. Forget the last drive on third down. Sean
Payton felt like he caught Kansas City a tired team
flat footed. They couldn't run the ball, could the Chiefs.
Their leading receiver was Kareem Hunt. Nothing went right. You
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know those day games when the crowd's not quite as lubricated,
it's not as loud an arrowhead. And here's Kansas City
off their game short week, little banged up. The chief
scored one touchdown in four red zone trips, just didn't
play well. They weren't very efficient wide receivers, couldn't cut
loose yet yet when they go to block a field goal,
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it was crazy. It was like they had thirteen to
fifteen guys on the field. Everybody burst through. It was
the classic what they call the jail break, like everybody
got through the Denver Bronco offensive like just shut blown away.
So here's the best big moment team in the league.
They're great third down, they're great and big moments, it's
goal line stands and that is what the really special
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teams do. And I've been saying this about Detroit and
Kansas City now for weeks. It feels inevitable. But yesterday
was different. Neither one of them. One played late Sunday
night in Houston, a stinker. Kansas City plays at home
day game. Here comes rookie Bonnicks driving down the field.
A lot of time, receivers open, everything's clicking for a
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team Denver that's pro probably about a year away. And
that's the separator. Niners, Chiefs, Lions then play well couple
on the road and they pick up w's and Dan
Campbell knew what he went through.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Man, that is the definition of resiliency. You guys just
kept banging away, right. We did whatever we had to do,
and we just bought our time. This is what great
teams do. Even when you're having an off day. You
find a way, man, You freaking find a way, and
you will it to happen. That's what you did today.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yep, that's what Kansas City's been doing. It feels like
now for about three years. They let Tyreek Hill go,
they're not as dynamic offensively. They draft Xavier Worthy. He
you know, he's not going to be a high volume guy.
That's why they go get d Hop, That's why they
cape Ju Smith. Schuster comes back. He's a bit of
a gadget guy. He may end up making the play
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of the game in the Super Bowl, the AFC Championship,
but you're not going to rely on him as a
big part of the offense. They don't have their top
running back there, just Kareem Hunt leads and receiving, and
it feels like Kansas City's been doing this for three years. Detroit, finally,
I don't think Detroit wins this game two years ago
playing like that. I don't think Detroit wins that game
last year on the road against the Houston level team.
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Planned like that the ultimate sign that Detroit has arrived,
the ultimate sign you can stink up the joint and
beat C. J. Stroud in the Texans in Houston Sunday night.
This is the best, honestly, I've ever felt about Detroit.
A stinker. Jared Got's not throwing five picks again. Forget
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the rest of the season, of the rest of his career.
I watched Detroit and I'm like, that's a great team.
Anybody can roll over the Cowboys, Anybody can beat the Jets.
Anybody can, you know, make the Titans look incompetent to
win that game. For Detroit, good for you, You've arrived. Now
here's a team that may never arrive. I mean they've
arrived at a really low level, the Chicago Bears. So
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I'm looking at the stats this morning, through the first
nine games last two years, all those offensive pieces, new
quarterback Keenan Allen, same team. Awful fact they're worse. And
you can really see in the NFL, we all think
there's a big gap between like the best quarterbacks and
the worst quarterbacks. It's the same in ownership, it's the
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same in coaching. I mean, Jim Harball. The Bears can't
even higher. Right, They could have had Jim Harball. They
passed on that could have had Cliff Kingsbury. I passed
on that. They can't even higher.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Look what Harball has done to the Packers, to the
Chargers defense worse than the league to first, same guys.
This is a poorly coach team. There is such a
gap in competency in this league. I mean, now, Caleb Williams,
I knew he would go through some rookie struggles. Did
everybody did the rookies. It usually doesn't look like Jayden Daniels.
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We all knew he would struggle a little. He's a rookie.
We all knew coming out of college he could be
a little bit too, you know, playmaker. He could be
a little hit and miss on his accuracy. You knew that.
I knew that. Those were the scouting reports. But now
he has become the most sacked quarterback in the league
with his mobility, the most mobile guy arguably in the
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league outside of Lamar Jackson at quarterback, he's the most
sacked guy in the league. It's the only team where
the opponent has scored first in every game. I don't
know what their identity is. I mean I can't. They're
so bad on third down, one for fourteen on third
down against New England, one of the weaker rosters, a
team that could, you know, probably draft them in the
top three. You'd think they could scheme some layups. They
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could scheme some completions. That's what Sean Payton's doing for
bow Nicks. He's scheming easy catches, six or seven, eight
completions a game, just scheming some layups. Jaden Daniels first
couple of weeks, they're scheming some layups. Make him get confident.
Chicago can't do that. They can't scheme laps and one
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for fourteen on third down, so when they try to
get clever, they handed to a backup center at the
goal line. Even their attempts at creativity are awful. There's
just this, there's this huge gap in the league between
the best gms Howie Roseman or Brett Veach and the worst.
It is a mile why it's just not quarterbacks. I mean,
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the NFL is not calculus, it's not even algebra, but
it is addition and subtraction. You gotta be able to
scheme up some easy completions for a quarterback, some layups.
Everybody does this. I mean Denver's doing it every week,
you know. Or if a guy comes off the bench
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in the middle of a game, you scheme open. You
got a couple of set plays, couple of easy layups,
get the confidence of the quarterback up. They can't even do.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That, right.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I mean, I'm watching New England yesterday, rookie coach. We
don't know if he's any good. Rookie quarterback. We don't
know if he's any good. I'm watching him grow and well.
Drake May today Drake May a month ago. I feel
totally different if you live in Boston about Drake May
this morning than a month ago. I'm like, he didn't
have anything to throw to. He's kind of good. He's
starting to look like the comps. The comps were like
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justin Herbert, but not as polished out of college. That's
what they said about Drake May. Got some justin Herbert
in him. He's not ready to play like Herbert was.
And all of a sudden yesterday, I'm like, last two weeks,
I'm like, oh, I see it, he getting better. Bo
Nicks today from a month and a half ago. Oh,
you see it. I see it, everybody sees it. He
getting better. Jaden Daniels may have lost, He's better than
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he was in the opener. Caleb William's going backwards. When
you have talented players, they're young and they're getting worse,
that's a coaching thing. Don't blame the kid. And I'm
not saying Caleb's perfect, but I mean I watched Bryce
Young yesterday. Bryce Young has a new coach. Last two weeks,
I've watched Bryce Young. He's getting better, He's getting more comfortable.
That tells me the coaching is confident. Caleb's had three
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straight games now where he is completing under fifty four percent.
That this is a team that can't scheme layups. You
got to give the kid six seven, maybe eight to nine,
give him easy ones, and then ask him to make
twelve tough NFL throws.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They can't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And Caleb did what leaders do after the loss, he
defended the coach.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Am I confident in my head coach?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I'm confident my head coach. You know, they brought
me here for a reason. They brought all of us
here for a reason. As players.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
When we're in the locker room, we know how good
we are, we know how good we can be.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And right now we're not executing. We're not hitting all cylinders. Hey,
hands in the air. And this is a front office
in Chicago that said, hey, this last week, this leaked out.
Eber Flus is safe now and next year. And for
the record, I'm not a guy that likes to get
coaches fired. I defended Matt Naggy the entire time he
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was in Chicago. He got Mitch Trupisky to the playoffs twice,
and that was with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford in
his division in their prime, and Naggy got twice. Mitched Trubisky,
not nearly as talented as Caleb believes, got him into
the playoff twice. And the NFC was better then than now.
So at some point you got to be honest about
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this thing. If you can't scheme six or seven easy completions,
they don't even use his mobility. I mean, Caleb may
not be great. I don't know how it turns out,
but it's not this. This is not what it should
look like. J Mack Colin Wright Colin wrong, top of
Next Hour. There's so much to talk about today. I
gotta be honest, and it's kind of funny what happens.
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People like cool Aaron Rodgers is cool and everybody's trying
to hold on to his greatness. Russell Wilson's seen is
not as cool. He's actually paying great. So isn't it funny?
I'm trying. People are trying to convince me cool Aaron
is still good. He's washed. People are out on Russell Wilson.
Minute that Hacket year, Russell's actually gone back to a
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slightly less version of the Seattle Russ. He moves, he's
great in the deep ball, he doesn't make any turnovers.
I'm not staying there the Seahawks, but that that Pittsburgh
has become Seattle the defensive coach, tough at home, physical,
great pass rush, over the top offense, consistent run game.
I'm not saying there that team. But Pittsburgh didn't bring
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him in to be a savior. They brought him into
be ninety eighty five percent of the old Russ. That's
what I'm watching.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Three game sample size. He's done well.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Pretty frustrating as a Jets fan to see Mike Williams,
who could do nothing with the Jets, plays nine snaps
and catches the game winning touchdown, literally first target as
a Steeler, and it's like that's all.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
He can do. Run straight line, go route, Russ.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Perfect ball. It's funny Aaron Rodgers could not hit him
with a perfect go ball. Interesting how that works out?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All right, we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
I was wrong with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I'd be
honest with you. I was wrong on Pittsburgh. I thought
Russ was done both. Are you know this interesting tea?
How good is Pittsburgh. Let's just ask the question, how
good are they? They're good. The question is how good
are they? We're gonna talk about that next.
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Speaker 4 (14:26):
I'm Lieutenant Colonel Joey Reed from the one thirty fourth
Airy Fielding Wing in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'd like to say
thank you to all the veterans.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And Go Niners, the men and women who support and
protect our country. Happy Veterans Day. And Knoxville, Tennessee, by
the way, is a cool town, home of a great
football team Tennessee Volunteers. So I'll be completely honest. I
pat myself in the back when I'm right. I thought
the Steelers I didn't know if this was Tomlins last year.
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I didn't get it. I thought the organization was tone
deaf to offense. I mean, I thought they had brought
Justin Fields in Russell Wilson. And I watched Sean Payton
get rid of Russell Wilson, and I'm like, yeah, I
think it's kind of over in. Justin Field's good kid.
That didn't work. And I gotta tell you, let's be
honest about Russell Wilson. His ten years in Seattle with
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Pete Carroll, his one year with Sean Payton, and his
one year with Mike Tomlin. You know what you get. Mobility,
a winner, sixty four percent completion percentage, one hundred passer rating,
a very optimistic guy who loves football. He may not
be for everybody, but the deep ball is back in Pittsburgh.
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Bradshaw had it, Big Ben had it, and Russell had it.
He's always had it. Just say it out loud about
the Steelers. Just say it out loud. Strong defensive coach,
good at home, tough, run game, mobile quarterback that really
really is exceptional in the deep ball. That's Seattle East. Now,
I don't think they're as good as Seattle, but I'm
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watching it, and I'm from the Pacific North. This is
kind of, you know, like Russell Wilson and Sean Payton.
Their personalities were never gonna work. Sean is kurt and abrupt,
and you know, I mean it is. Russell tends to
be almost endlessly, hopelessly optimistic. It's not a bad quality,
it's not for everybody. But when I watch them, I'm
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wrong on this. This is a good team. What's funny
is both Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson were brought into
a defensive culture with a defensive head coach, and they
were asked to sort of galvanize everybody. Put your arms
around the young guys. One has miserably failed in New
York and one is absolutely delivering in Pittsburgh. One has demands,
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one is just delivering. One said Mike Williams, I cannot
work with you. The other said, Mike, come here, let's
go for the game winning touchdown. You can love one
of them, who's cool, But I'm telling you, if you
go to Russell Wilson's career. Ten years with Pete, the
one year, take the Hacket year out, one year with Sean,
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go back and look at those numbers and with Mike Tomlin. Right,
Sean Payton did not look at him as a savior.
Nat Hackett needed him because he's not a head coach
to be a savior. That's not what Russell is now.
He's an adult. He's efficient, he's got better than average mobility.
He throws an incredible deep ball. I just like the
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way that Mike Williams, who's a good guy. I don't
know Mike, but I know people that do. Good guy
gets hurt, but a good guy New York shoved him out.
And guess what you know who worked with Mike Williams.
Justin Herbert liked him. Justin Herbert didn't want the Chargers
to move off him. Justin Herbert liked him. Russell likes him.
The guy in New York didn't. Maybe it's the guy
in New York. But I love that Mike Williams made
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the play and Mike Tomlin's sitting there because let's be honest.
When Russell got hurt and Justin Fields came in, this
whole thing was bumpy. I don't even think Mike Tomlin
knew exactly what it was gonna look like. And somebody
asked him if he likes what Russell to Mike Williams looks.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Like, how many times have you seen Russell Wilson throw
like that over the years.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I've seen it a few times on highlight shows. It's
a little better in person, believe it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, it's Tomlin has been in a good mood for
three weeks because I think Mike Tomlin knows what he
has here. Os wrong. I thought this. I just didn't
think this staff could get offense right. I've been watching
it at the end of the Big Ben's career. I'm like,
they just don't know offense. They just can't get it right.
And you know what, maybe it's Russell Wilson, but I'm
watching Russell and Pickens now of a real relationship. I've
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always I've been saying this for three years. I love
Pittsburgh's roster. I said this last year. I think it's
a top five roster. Where are they not good running backs?
I mean, you keep telling me the old line's no good.
They keep drafting it, Like, where are they not good.
I think Mike Williams was a great piece. He's just
another big red zone target and I didn't think in
Game one he would be that significant. But it's and
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Russell's got energy, It's authentic. He's fired up. You know, listen,
Sometimes when you feel like you were cast off and
blame for stuff, Jared Goff in Detroit felt like he
was blamed for the Rams issues, not like they had
real issues, but issues. Jared Goff uses that as jet fuel.
Russell's always been, you know, very aspirational. But you know,
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come on, Denver. It's like, hey, Russ is the problem.
If you go back to that year where Sean Payton,
Russ wasn't the problem. Russ was fine. The defense stunk.
This year, Denver's defense is better. But it is amazing
for pro athletes when you get blame for stuff and
you still have something left in the tank, how you
can rally yourself. I mean, Goff had a bad Sunday.
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Goff's been unbelievable for two years. He and Mahomes have
had the best numbers for two years. And I don't know.
I'm watching Russell and I'm like, yeah, I thought I
didn't think i'd see this again. But that's a real
good team we all got to be on. Is it
a three or four win team the hoist to trophy?
I don't think so. But can that team win multiple
playoff games? Run game defense, coach Russell over the top.
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I'm telling you it gets real squishy in the AFC.
In the middle, you may like Baltimore, Buffalo, in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
At the top.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Those middle teams, Chargers, Houston, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh can beat all
those teams absolutely, especially at home if they keep winning.
J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
News, this is the herd line.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I like what I saw over reaction.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Okay, let's get started here with the Chargers' They've won
four or five Colin, they are one of the hotter
teams in the league. Unbelievable performance, two touchdown passes, one
hundred and twenty three passer rating.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
By the way they were this was such a blowout.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I saw Justin Herbert was five for five passing in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's it. I was just gonna run the ball down
your throat. You can't stop us.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Harbaugh was loving the effort from his QB and gave
him a new nickname.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I'm changing his name to beast.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
He's a beast.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Herbert half man, half beast.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He made the two.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Biggest plays of the game.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Uh you know the fourth down touchdown run that he made.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
There was a lot of unblocked guys.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And he just went be slowed and got that ball
in the end zone.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You know, I think all of us that love football,
you me and the audience, we've known Herbert's really good,
and we just kept saying, can we get him a
grown up coach? Can we get him the right coach.
He didn't even have to have a great roster. Just
get him the coach. And it's you're watching what happened.
He has eleven touchdowns one pick like Herbert? Is this
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a four to two major in college that became a
biology tutor, big, strong, mobile, decent, smart like it was.
It's the Andrew Luck thing. Just get him the right coach,
get him some protection. You eventually knew Andrew Luck got
to an ANFC championship. Help him a little. It's it's
really fun to watch this team because they're not always pretty.
You know, they're not dazzling. They're a little like they
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look a little like Kansas City, little boring. Well it's
like Kansas City. You wish they had a star number
one receiver. I feel like they've got. I mean that
Clinton Johnston is not a bust.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Now he's emerging.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He's emerging. Lad mcconky's in two Palmer solid. I feel
with the Chiefs and the Chargers. I wish they had
a go to star receiver. They don't, but you could
win a lot of games being a great coach, a
great quarterback, a great defense, and situationally good on offense.
And that's when the charge.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's been tremendous.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
I don't want to pour cold water, but you know,
we've played both sides here. We need to let the
audience know what's up. The Chargers have played one of
the worst schedules in the league. Yes, they've played nobody.
These are the next four teams they face. Okay, they
start out with Joe Burrow this week. This will be
the toughest quarterback this defense's face. And the Chargers defense,
by the way, has not allowed more than twenty points
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in a game this season. Yeah, pretty great start, right, Yeah,
and then they have a little Lamar Jackson. As you
can see the schedule here, it gets tough and then
Matt Ryan went winnable, Patrick Mahomes. Next four games, we'll
find out if the Chargers are for real. But Burrow
Lamar back to back Colin that is going to be
a challenging.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But here's what's amazing. And I talked about this to
start the show, the level, the gap in competency in
the league. This defense was the worst in the league
easily last year. Same players. Remember their first two picks
were offense, same players. It is now the best defense
in the league.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Brandons Daily doesn't no defense. Obviously, it's not Matt Ryan
and the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I don't know what to say, Matt Ryan, but no,
I mean, seriously, Chargers six and three look like they
could be headed to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Let's just pump the brakes until the next few I.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Said to contend, what if there's a team in the
league the Chargers are playing like, I think it's the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We love the coach, the quarterback, the pass rush, young
defensive players. We wonder can they be more consistent on
the perimeter offensively? Yeah, it's I mean the coordinator, Jesse
mintor the coordinator is he after spags this? Jesse mintor guy.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
It's interesting you bring him up.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
So I saw that they had seven sacks yesterday, so
I instantly look, Oh, Bosa and Mac must have gone crazy.
They played twenty two snaps total. They started two rookies
at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I'm like, how did they want?
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Maybe this is about will Levis being awful, because he
was certainly worse than Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But let me just say this. Great coaches choose great staffs.
The best staff in the league now is arguably Kansas City.
I'm not make an argument this. Jesse Minner the second
best staff in the league. The Chargers are on a
short list. I mean we've seen this for years with McVeigh.
I mean they're defensive coordinators. Whether you like Brandon Saley
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or not, he was a good assistant. Yeah, So don't
forget great. Average coaches choose average staff.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
The most impressive thing about the Chargers, Colin, is that
they have a philosophy.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
We know what you know exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
And Hartle's been there for what eight months? My New
York Jets last twenty years? What's their organization for low
They don't have one.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There's nothing. I was hardball and is still one that
quickly like, yeahs.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I talked to Dean Spanos about this and I said,
you know, I said, Jim is he's you know, he's
he's different. He's got a different personality. And he said
we needed different. He's like, we needed different, We needed
a man to come in and give us an identity.
And he felt within six weeks the building felt different.
Have you ever watched the post game with Hardball given
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out game balls to everybody hits a riot?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Did you see the high five thing in the locker room?
He's like, all right, let boss, everybody knew high five.
It's just like the whole team. This is cool.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This is fun that they're impossible not to root for.
It's very old. I'll tell you this. Jim Arbaugh is
on a short list to be that dominant in college
and pro football. A lot of these NFL guys the parcels,
you know, Jimmy Johnson college and pro was great. Pete
Carroll did very well at both. A lot of these
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coaches are like pro coaches or college coaches. Harbaugh's on
a short list of one of the great football minds
that we've ever had in the sport. For him to
be able to go to Stanford, they were the worst
team in the league. For him to go to Michigan,
they were a disaster. The Chargers were pathetic. They were
then a mutiny, then a team mutiny. Yeah, they quit
on Brandon Sale. Last thought, Colin maybe too hot for
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the first hour here. But if I'm a playoff team,
the Chargers scare me more than the Pittsburgh Steelers right now.
I know you like the Steelers in your Momas Herbert,
I'm Herbert's a different.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Listen, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Eventually people are going to go back to the two
high safety look that he cannot solve.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Right anyways, moving on to the Arizona Cardinals. WHOA, they've
won four straight. I know you're bullets on your guy,
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I love their offensive pieces.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Kyler set a record yesterday in the franchise seventeenth straight completions,
cooking the Jets secondary. He took a brutal hit from
Quincy Williams lost his helmet.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I thought Kyler Murray might have been dead for a second.
It was a vicious hit popped up. No big deal.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Jonathan Gannon, coach, saying his praises after the game.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I think the quarterback was the best player on the
planet today. And uh so, kudos to him when he
has the ball in his hands, you know, as a
defensive guy. Any anytime he gets to snap, you're you're
hanging on to her, you know what you know? And
and I thought he was lights out today he was.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know, you guys a bunch of haters on this
show that I'm always pushing back on all you Kyler haters.
But how about McBride, how about how about McBride the
tight end?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh my god, Harrison, they got another receiver. I like
Connor Kyler. Kyler is he is such he does remind
me you get a little Russell Wilson about seven years ago.
I mean, it's just they They have drafted well on offense.
They got dudes in every unit. They have elite players offensive.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I don't like the MVP discussion until we turn the
calendar December.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It doesn't matter. It's yer fifth best odds to an MVP.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think Lamar won, Kyler twos, Kyler Murray second to Lamar.
What will you do? Who you got? I think he's
number two in the race.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Who has he been better than Josh Allen. Kyler has
way better weapons than Josh Allen. Josh Allen's just carrying
the Bills on his back. No Cooper, no Coleman, ass
no big deal. Will just smash the Colts. You can
argue Kyler Murray's carrying the franchise. Jared Goff, I know
five interceptions last night.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Oh no, he's the worst quarterback. Forget the MVP. They
still won the game. M v P fifth best odds.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I think he's magne.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think, by the way, are the Cardinals winning that division?
Can we call it the schedule real quick? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Call it Seattle at Seattle this week.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's probably they are a more consistent team than San Francisco,
that is indisputable. They are more everybody hurt.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Hold on at Seattle at the Vikings. I think they're
going to be small underdogs in both those.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay, but Minnesota right now is regression is clear. Seattle's
got complete limitation.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Wait, they're coming off the by They're gonna get healthy defense.
And then it's Patriots Panthers. Those are two wins, but
they end with Rams Niners.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
We'll be to you whatever you want. That Arizona wins
double digit games. It may only be ten, not eleven.
They're winning these, They're winning more than half those games.
I see a lot of double us. I think they're
better than the Niners, right, I don't think there's any
question they're better than Niners. They beat him a must
Ago in Santa Claro.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
That was a fluky game that the Niners outplayed the
heck out of them, and they won because of total nonsense.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It was just you really are Oh I think eryl
digit wins.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'll go to you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I think they'll win. Not well, what are they at now?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Six?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah, they're going to beat the Panthers and the Patriots.
So that gets them to eight. Eight, So then they
have to steal one from Seattle.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
They're not beating the Rams or ninety.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You'll one from Seattle. You don't have to steal one.
You can just get on a plane, go up there,
win and come back.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know what to do, Seahawks fans. A sorry final story.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Let's get to the Oh gosh, this Cowboys, I mean,
what a dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Down seven to three, late in the first quarter, Cooper
Rush had cede Lamb in the end zone, but Lamb
apparently couldn't see due to the sunlight.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
You could see him here. He's like, where's the ball?
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And then he goes and complaints to McCarthy, I couldn't
see and he basically said he wants curtains in the
Jerry Dome to help with the sunlight situation. Well, Jerry
Jones was very angry at this. Well let's tear down
the damn stadium and build another one. Are you kidding me?
Everybody has got the same thing. Every team that comes
in here has the same issues. I'm saying, the world
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knows where the sun is. This is a meltdown in progress.
Dak Prescott apparently out for the season. There's reports of
that from credible reporters.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know it's over. There's always a silver lining. They
are a three win team. I think they're gonna finish
the season as a four win team and have a
top five draft pick. Somebody's gonna make a move to
get cam Ward Dallas. There is a silver lining. I've
been sending this for two weeks. Tank Soft tank.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
What they just paid Dak Prescott a billion dollars to
meet the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Somebody will move up to get cam Ward you'll get another,
You'll get two ones, two threes too. Takes one year
in this league and you get the right coach, Chargers
and some draft picks, Houston, you can turn it around
in one year.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Let me push back on that.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Did you see the Trey Lance trade where the Tip
Fortynineers traded.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Up for Lance? Total bust?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You see the Brice Young trade traded up absolute bust.
I would be little cautious if I'm around the league
trading up for cam Ward who you're luke warmonck right,
you don't even love it?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, I love rough game over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm not a cam Ward guy, So who's.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Trading up for me? Colin?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
There is no talent on this team and just by
the way Cooper rush at forty five yards pass it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, I watched.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
They can't move the football.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
I watched Zeke Elliott goes from skipping meetings to fumbling
inside the five yard last.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It is a laughing stock, right.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I haven't gotten any of my stuff yet. Ready to roll, Colin? Right,
Colin on top of next hour.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
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Speaker 4 (31:55):
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Speaker 2 (31:57):
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Speaker 6 (31:59):
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Speaker 2 (32:03):
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Speaker 1 (32:09):
Thank you for taking time for us and choosing us.
Today in the Herd, there's a lot happening twenty minutes
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
Matt Hasselbeck stops Bahisoa's great. So listen the good news
for the Niners. They played poorly in one. That's a
mark of a good team. And Tampa's not a bad team.
But they've got two or three real issues. One of them.
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You can tell what people care about in life. When
New England had its dynasty, they kept Matt Slater, a
wide receiver there for sixteen years. Why he was the
best special teams player in the league. Dan Campbell's teams
are physical. Jim harboss teams are physical. Immediately, it's what
they care about. Lamar Jackson's body, He's transformed his body right, thinner,
let you can tell when people care about things, they'll
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show you. Kyle Shanahan does not care about special teams.
He has a disregard for it. They muffed upon in
the Super Bowl last year, they muffed upunt yesterday. They
missed multiple field I mean, week after week after week.
Their special teams are a disaster. They just don't care.
And you can tell me you care about something, but
I'm gonna watch your actions. And when I watch San Francisco,
they do not care. It is not a priority. They
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muffed upunt yesterday, they did it in the Super Bowl.
It's a problem. The second issue for San Francisco half
the league is running a variation of their offense, and
so the element of surprise on the debo jet sweeps.
I couldn't tay the last one that hit. I mean,
good teams sniff those out. The Rams will sniff them out,
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the Chiefs will sniff them out. The good teams debo
is not as explosive. And he also had yesterday he
got into a pushing match with a long snapper. So
I'm not sure why they signed brand and I you
to a monster contract. He held out. Then they drafted
two receivers, but there's two or three things. The special
teams an issue, this sideline stuff. There's an agitation. Yesterday
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is the first time they went back to back all year.
They're getting old in key spots. Philadelphia is not old.
They've got great young players on defense, really young. Detroit's
not old. Green Bay's not old, Kansas City's not old,
Baltimore's not old, Buffalo's not old. San Francisco feels old.
They don't care about special teams. Now you got a
sideline confrontation. Half the league runs a variation of this offense,
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so it's not fooling people like it did. In fact,
Debo is having like a career low in yards per touch.
So it's just it doesn't feel like this is a
hoist to trophy team. They are a good team. They
are well coached. They are good enough to play poorly
and win. Nobody's saying they're terrible. But I mean, special
teams matter, age, health matters, the element of surprise matters.
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I mean a couple of years ago, three years ago,
when the offense wasn't as duplicated and copied, and it's
still unique to San Francisco and has its own feel.
But a lot of people are running variations of it.
They're not catching people off guard. And really, the difference
between San Francisco and Kansas City, they both have a
both have a great coach, they both have really good players.
The difference is Mahomes. When you're imperfect, we'll win the games.
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Brock Purty played very well in the fourth quarter yesterday,
but he's not Mahomes. And so as you age, as
you have little issues in your team, sometimes the answer is, yeah,
we got Lamar Jackson or we got Patrick Mahomes. I
like Purty played well in the fourth, but he is
not Mahomes. And the sideline thing, I think it's just
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a frustration that runs deep. I think this team's getting frustrated.
I think they're getting more predictable. And here's Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
After probably an obvious one. Guy's frustrated and something probably happened,
and you know, brother scuffle a little bit. I didn't
see any of us. I don't know how bad it was,
but something I'm not too worried about. We'll fix it
that hasn't been fixed already. We'll fix on the plane
and go back to loving each other tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So yeah, I mean you don't want this. It's not
the end of the world. I always say everything is something.
Nothing is everything. But the bigger issue to me is
a disregard for special teams and the fact they're not
fooling people. The element of surprise feels mostly gone. In
a week to week basis. Okay, Philadelphia and Dallas played.
I don't want to talk too much about the Cowboys.
Let's talk Philadelphia. Dallas is awful, probably the worst team
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in the league. I think Carolina beats him in a
couple of weeks. Philadelphia, in my opinion, has the best
roster in the NFL. Now, you don't know some of
their defensive players, like Quinnon Mitchell, like the Toledo cornerback.
That dude's a baller. Like you just don't know much
about their young players. You know, Jalen Carter very young,
he's healthy now, Dean the linebacker from Georgia. A lot
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of their defensive players you don't know yet. You may
not watch college football, but Philadelphia's offensive talent you know.
You know Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown and Devonte Smith
and Saquon Bark, you know Lane Johnson. Those kind of
players they've had for years. You know them defensively, this
is becoming a really interesting team and you don't necessarily
know them. I don't think this roster has a hole.
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In fact that maybe the coach they draft, well, they
pay stars. But Kansas City feels a little bit light
in terms of offensive talent, and Baltimore and Detroit feel
a little light in terms of defensive talent. This team
doesn't feel light anywhere. They got great veterans, great guys
in their prime, tremendous young players defensively who are not
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even in their prime yet. So I mean, and the
other thing they're doing with Jalen Hurts, and this is
a real thing, is that And this is not a criticism,
but there's one Mahomes, you know, there's one Josh Allen
where you can just say yes, sling it forty five
times Jalen Hurts. Now they're only asking him to throw
twenty times a game. It's not a criticism. Jalen Hurts
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throwing twenty times a game and running seven times is excellent.
When you're asking him to throw thirty seven times, it's
not as excellent. So I think they've really figured out.
You got to give Nick Siriani credit for this they've
kind of figured out with Jalen Hurts, this is what
we want him to be. Let's not ask him to
do that, Let's ask him to do this. By the way,
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that's how you have to manage most quarterbacks in the league.
Peyton Manning, you could say, bro go throw it forty
eight times. You know, he's one of one. You know,
there's just not many guys like that. But I think
they found their identity. They know what Jalen is, they're
using them effectively, and their talent is all both sides,
all over the roster.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Here's Nick Obviously didn't start the way we wanted it
to start, but there's something to be said for guys
that can rebound and play a really good game after
things don't go right early on.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Only team in the NFL top seven scoring offense, top
seven scoring defense this roster, both sides young in their prime,
older players, stacked, and you're seeing it grow
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Monday. We are officially past
the halfway point in the NFL. Live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be. However, you may
be listening one hour from now. Where Colin was right,
where Colin was wrong. Thank you for joining us on
Veterans Day today. You know, you can tell there are
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certain things Jmac that separate the halves in this league
from the have nots. Often it's a great coach, which
they don't have in Chicago. Often it's a great quarterback.
But I thought yesterday very symbolic of a real separation.
You can tell yesterday was the ultimate sign for all
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you fans out there. Are we a have or we
have none? And so we'll start the show with that.
Three teams San Francisco did not play well yet, one
on the road Detroit didn't play well at all, yet
on the road beat a pretty good team. Kansas City
at home, did not play well and yet won. Niners
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Lions Chiefs did not play well and survived. And that
is the difference. Chicago played poorly at home, blown out.
Dallas played poorly at home, blown out, not competitive Jets
on the road. You don't have to ask, you don't
have to argue. The good teams in this league, the
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special ones, can go on the road play their worst
game of the year by far. Let's talk about Detroit.
Jared Goff has five picks. This is a team built
around their offensive line. In run game, they got pushed
all over the field. It felt like a Super Bowl
for Houston, even though they were missioning their best rush
in they got massive energy, tons of juice. Golf off
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his game. Golf was behind receivers. Nothing worked in the
first half. Even early in the third quarter, Detroit gets
a pick, they give the ball right back their dominant
offensive line. First half getting pushed around the field. They
could not play worse, and yet their last three possessions
enough playmakers. Golf settles down touchdown, field goal, field goal,
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and they win. They are good on third down. They
have playmakers. You know, total yards, they had far more
total yards. They get to omor on Saint Brown. They're
running backs, their tight end, they just figured out away.
Put on the life preserver, stay afloat, get down the field,
kick field goals. Let's get out of here. This was
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a team Detroit that had played at such a high
level for two months. A stinker was coming against a
good team on the road Sunday night football, standalone game
and they won. Go look at Kansas City short week,
off an overtime game. They look fatigued, big favorite at home,
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trailed going into the fourth quarter. Here were the Kansas
City Chiefs. Did not play very well. Bo Nicks was
super comfortable. Forget the last drive on third down. Sean
Payton felt like he caught Kansas City a tired team
flat footed. They couldn't run the ball, could the Chiefs.
Their leading receiver was Kareem Hunt. Nothing went right. You
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know those day games when the crowd's not quite as lubricated,
it's not as loud an arrowhead. And here's Kansas City
off their game short week, little banged up. The chief
scored one touchdown in four red zone trips, just didn't
play well. They weren't very efficient wide receivers, couldn't cut
loose yet yet when they go to block a field goal,
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it was crazy. It was like they had thirteen to
fifteen guys on the field. Everybody burst through. It was
the classic what they call the jail break, like everybody
got through the Denver Bronco offensive like just shut blown away.
So here's the best big moment team in the league.
They're great third down, they're great and big moments, it's
goal line stands and that is what the really special
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teams do. And I've been saying this about Detroit and
Kansas City now for weeks. It feels inevitable. But yesterday
was different. Neither one of them. One played late Sunday
night in Houston, a stinker. Kansas City plays at home
day game. Here comes rookie Bonnicks driving down the field.
A lot of time, receivers open, everything's clicking for a
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team Denver that's pro probably about a year away. And
that's the separator. Niners, Chiefs, Lions then play well couple
on the road and they pick up w's and Dan
Campbell knew what he went through.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Man, that is the definition of resiliency. You guys just
kept banging away, right. We did whatever we had to do,
and we just bought our time. This is what great
teams do. Even when you're having an off day. You
find a way, man, You freaking find a way, and
you will it to happen. That's what you did today.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yep, that's what Kansas City's been doing. It feels like
now for about three years. They let Tyreek Hill go,
they're not as dynamic offensively. They draft Xavier Worthy. He
you know, he's not going to be a high volume guy.
That's why they go get d Hop, That's why they
cape Ju Smith. Schuster comes back. He's a bit of
a gadget guy. He may end up making the play
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of the game in the Super Bowl, the AFC Championship,
but you're not going to rely on him as a
big part of the offense. They don't have their top
running back there, just Kareem Hunt leads and receiving, and
it feels like Kansas City's been doing this for three years. Detroit, finally,
I don't think Detroit wins this game two years ago
playing like that. I don't think Detroit wins that game
last year on the road against the Houston level team.
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Planned like that the ultimate sign that Detroit has arrived,
the ultimate sign you can stink up the joint and
beat C. J. Stroud in the Texans in Houston Sunday night.
This is the best, honestly, I've ever felt about Detroit.
A stinker. Jared Got's not throwing five picks again. Forget
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the rest of the season, of the rest of his career.
I watched Detroit and I'm like, that's a great team.
Anybody can roll over the Cowboys, Anybody can beat the Jets.
Anybody can, you know, make the Titans look incompetent to
win that game. For Detroit, good for you, You've arrived. Now
here's a team that may never arrive. I mean they've
arrived at a really low level, the Chicago Bears. So
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I'm looking at the stats this morning, through the first
nine games last two years, all those offensive pieces, new
quarterback Keenan Allen, same team. Awful fact they're worse. And
you can really see in the NFL, we all think
there's a big gap between like the best quarterbacks and
the worst quarterbacks. It's the same in ownership, it's the
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same in coaching. I mean, Jim Harball. The Bears can't
even higher. Right, They could have had Jim Harball. They
passed on that could have had Cliff Kingsbury. I passed
on that. They can't even higher.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Look what Harball has done to the Packers, to the
Chargers defense worse than the league to first, same guys.
This is a poorly coach team. There is such a
gap in competency in this league. I mean, now, Caleb Williams,
I knew he would go through some rookie struggles. Did
everybody did the rookies. It usually doesn't look like Jayden Daniels.
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We all knew he would struggle a little. He's a rookie.
We all knew coming out of college he could be
a little bit too, you know, playmaker. He could be
a little hit and miss on his accuracy. You knew that.
I knew that. Those were the scouting reports. But now
he has become the most sacked quarterback in the league
with his mobility, the most mobile guy arguably in the
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league outside of Lamar Jackson at quarterback, he's the most
sacked guy in the league. It's the only team where
the opponent has scored first in every game. I don't
know what their identity is. I mean I can't. They're
so bad on third down, one for fourteen on third
down against New England, one of the weaker rosters, a
team that could, you know, probably draft them in the
top three. You'd think they could scheme some layups. They
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could scheme some completions. That's what Sean Payton's doing for
bow Nicks. He's scheming easy catches, six or seven, eight
completions a game, just scheming some layups. Jaden Daniels first
couple of weeks, they're scheming some layups. Make him get confident.
Chicago can't do that. They can't scheme laps and one
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for fourteen on third down, so when they try to
get clever, they handed to a backup center at the
goal line. Even their attempts at creativity are awful. There's
just this, there's this huge gap in the league between
the best gms Howie Roseman or Brett Veach and the worst.
It is a mile why it's just not quarterbacks. I mean,
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the NFL is not calculus, it's not even algebra, but
it is addition and subtraction. You gotta be able to
scheme up some easy completions for a quarterback, some layups.
Everybody does this. I mean Denver's doing it every week,
you know. Or if a guy comes off the bench
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in the middle of a game, you scheme open. You
got a couple of set plays, couple of easy layups,
get the confidence of the quarterback up. They can't even do.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That, right.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I mean, I'm watching New England yesterday, rookie coach. We
don't know if he's any good. Rookie quarterback. We don't
know if he's any good. I'm watching him grow and well.
Drake May today Drake May a month ago. I feel
totally different if you live in Boston about Drake May
this morning than a month ago. I'm like, he didn't
have anything to throw to. He's kind of good. He's
starting to look like the comps. The comps were like
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justin Herbert, but not as polished out of college. That's
what they said about Drake May. Got some justin Herbert
in him. He's not ready to play like Herbert was.
And all of a sudden yesterday, I'm like, last two weeks,
I'm like, oh, I see it, he getting better. Bo
Nicks today from a month and a half ago. Oh,
you see it. I see it, everybody sees it. He
getting better. Jaden Daniels may have lost, He's better than
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he was in the opener. Caleb William's going backwards. When
you have talented players, they're young and they're getting worse,
that's a coaching thing. Don't blame the kid. And I'm
not saying Caleb's perfect, but I mean I watched Bryce
Young yesterday. Bryce Young has a new coach. Last two weeks,
I've watched Bryce Young. He's getting better, He's getting more comfortable.
That tells me the coaching is confident. Caleb's had three
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straight games now where he is completing under fifty four percent.
That this is a team that can't scheme layups. You
got to give the kid six seven, maybe eight to nine,
give him easy ones, and then ask him to make
twelve tough NFL throws.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
They can't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And Caleb did what leaders do after the loss, he
defended the coach.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Am I confident in my head coach?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I'm confident my head coach. You know, they brought
me here for a reason. They brought all of us
here for a reason. As players.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
When we're in the locker room, we know how good
we are, we know how good we can be.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And right now we're not executing. We're not hitting all cylinders. Hey,
hands in the air. And this is a front office
in Chicago that said, hey, this last week, this leaked out.
Eber Flus is safe now and next year. And for
the record, I'm not a guy that likes to get
coaches fired. I defended Matt Naggy the entire time he
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was in Chicago. He got Mitch Trupisky to the playoffs twice,
and that was with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford in
his division in their prime, and Naggy got twice. Mitched Trubisky,
not nearly as talented as Caleb believes, got him into
the playoff twice. And the NFC was better then than now.
So at some point you got to be honest about
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this thing. If you can't scheme six or seven easy completions,
they don't even use his mobility. I mean, Caleb may
not be great. I don't know how it turns out,
but it's not this. This is not what it should
look like. J Mack Colin Wright Colin wrong, top of
Next Hour. There's so much to talk about today. I
gotta be honest, and it's kind of funny what happens.
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People like cool Aaron Rodgers is cool and everybody's trying
to hold on to his greatness. Russell Wilson's seen is
not as cool. He's actually paying great. So isn't it funny?
I'm trying. People are trying to convince me cool Aaron
is still good. He's washed. People are out on Russell Wilson.
Minute that Hacket year, Russell's actually gone back to a
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slightly less version of the Seattle Russ. He moves, he's
great in the deep ball, he doesn't make any turnovers.
I'm not staying there the Seahawks, but that that Pittsburgh
has become Seattle the defensive coach, tough at home, physical,
great pass rush, over the top offense, consistent run game.
I'm not saying there that team. But Pittsburgh didn't bring
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him in to be a savior. They brought him into
be ninety eighty five percent of the old Russ. That's
what I'm watching.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Three game sample size. He's done well.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Pretty frustrating as a Jets fan to see Mike Williams,
who could do nothing with the Jets, plays nine snaps
and catches the game winning touchdown, literally first target as
a Steeler, and it's like that's all.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
He can do. Run straight line, go route, Russ.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Perfect ball. It's funny Aaron Rodgers could not hit him
with a perfect go ball. Interesting how that works out?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All right, we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
I was wrong with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I'd be
honest with you. I was wrong on Pittsburgh. I thought
Russ was done both. Are you know this interesting tea?
How good is Pittsburgh. Let's just ask the question, how
good are they? They're good. The question is how good
are they? We're gonna talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 4 (14:26):
I'm Lieutenant Colonel Joey Reed from the one thirty fourth
Airy Fielding Wing in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'd like to say
thank you to all the veterans.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And Go Niners, the men and women who support and
protect our country. Happy Veterans Day. And Knoxville, Tennessee, by
the way, is a cool town, home of a great
football team Tennessee Volunteers. So I'll be completely honest. I
pat myself in the back when I'm right. I thought
the Steelers I didn't know if this was Tomlins last year.
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I didn't get it. I thought the organization was tone
deaf to offense. I mean, I thought they had brought
Justin Fields in Russell Wilson. And I watched Sean Payton
get rid of Russell Wilson, and I'm like, yeah, I
think it's kind of over in. Justin Field's good kid.
That didn't work. And I gotta tell you, let's be
honest about Russell Wilson. His ten years in Seattle with
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Pete Carroll, his one year with Sean Payton, and his
one year with Mike Tomlin. You know what you get. Mobility,
a winner, sixty four percent completion percentage, one hundred passer rating,
a very optimistic guy who loves football. He may not
be for everybody, but the deep ball is back in Pittsburgh.
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Bradshaw had it, Big Ben had it, and Russell had it.
He's always had it. Just say it out loud about
the Steelers. Just say it out loud. Strong defensive coach,
good at home, tough, run game, mobile quarterback that really
really is exceptional in the deep ball. That's Seattle East. Now,
I don't think they're as good as Seattle, but I'm
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watching it, and I'm from the Pacific North. This is
kind of, you know, like Russell Wilson and Sean Payton.
Their personalities were never gonna work. Sean is kurt and abrupt,
and you know, I mean it is. Russell tends to
be almost endlessly, hopelessly optimistic. It's not a bad quality,
it's not for everybody. But when I watch them, I'm
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wrong on this. This is a good team. What's funny
is both Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson were brought into
a defensive culture with a defensive head coach, and they
were asked to sort of galvanize everybody. Put your arms
around the young guys. One has miserably failed in New
York and one is absolutely delivering in Pittsburgh. One has demands,
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one is just delivering. One said Mike Williams, I cannot
work with you. The other said, Mike, come here, let's
go for the game winning touchdown. You can love one
of them, who's cool, But I'm telling you, if you
go to Russell Wilson's career. Ten years with Pete, the
one year, take the Hacket year out, one year with Sean,
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go back and look at those numbers and with Mike Tomlin. Right,
Sean Payton did not look at him as a savior.
Nat Hackett needed him because he's not a head coach
to be a savior. That's not what Russell is now.
He's an adult. He's efficient, he's got better than average mobility.
He throws an incredible deep ball. I just like the
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way that Mike Williams, who's a good guy. I don't
know Mike, but I know people that do. Good guy
gets hurt, but a good guy New York shoved him out.
And guess what you know who worked with Mike Williams.
Justin Herbert liked him. Justin Herbert didn't want the Chargers
to move off him. Justin Herbert liked him. Russell likes him.
The guy in New York didn't. Maybe it's the guy
in New York. But I love that Mike Williams made
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the play and Mike Tomlin's sitting there because let's be honest.
When Russell got hurt and Justin Fields came in, this
whole thing was bumpy. I don't even think Mike Tomlin
knew exactly what it was gonna look like. And somebody
asked him if he likes what Russell to Mike Williams looks.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Like, how many times have you seen Russell Wilson throw
like that over the years.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I've seen it a few times on highlight shows. It's
a little better in person, believe it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, it's Tomlin has been in a good mood for
three weeks because I think Mike Tomlin knows what he
has here. Os wrong. I thought this. I just didn't
think this staff could get offense right. I've been watching
it at the end of the Big Ben's career. I'm like,
they just don't know offense. They just can't get it right.
And you know what, maybe it's Russell Wilson, but I'm
watching Russell and Pickens now of a real relationship. I've
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always I've been saying this for three years. I love
Pittsburgh's roster. I said this last year. I think it's
a top five roster. Where are they not good running backs?
I mean, you keep telling me the old line's no good.
They keep drafting it, Like, where are they not good.
I think Mike Williams was a great piece. He's just
another big red zone target and I didn't think in
Game one he would be that significant. But it's and
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Russell's got energy, It's authentic. He's fired up. You know, listen,
Sometimes when you feel like you were cast off and
blame for stuff, Jared Goff in Detroit felt like he
was blamed for the Rams issues, not like they had
real issues, but issues. Jared Goff uses that as jet fuel.
Russell's always been, you know, very aspirational. But you know,
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come on, Denver. It's like, hey, Russ is the problem.
If you go back to that year where Sean Payton,
Russ wasn't the problem. Russ was fine. The defense stunk.
This year, Denver's defense is better. But it is amazing
for pro athletes when you get blame for stuff and
you still have something left in the tank, how you
can rally yourself. I mean, Goff had a bad Sunday.
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Goff's been unbelievable for two years. He and Mahomes have
had the best numbers for two years. And I don't know.
I'm watching Russell and I'm like, yeah, I thought I
didn't think i'd see this again. But that's a real
good team we all got to be on. Is it
a three or four win team the hoist to trophy?
I don't think so. But can that team win multiple
playoff games? Run game defense, coach Russell over the top.
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I'm telling you it gets real squishy in the AFC.
In the middle, you may like Baltimore, Buffalo, in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
At the top.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Those middle teams, Chargers, Houston, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh can beat all
those teams absolutely, especially at home if they keep winning.
J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
News, this is the herd line.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I like what I saw over reaction.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Okay, let's get started here with the Chargers' They've won
four or five Colin, they are one of the hotter
teams in the league. Unbelievable performance, two touchdown passes, one
hundred and twenty three passer rating.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
By the way they were this was such a blowout.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
I saw Justin Herbert was five for five passing in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's it. I was just gonna run the ball down
your throat. You can't stop us.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Harbaugh was loving the effort from his QB and gave
him a new nickname.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I'm changing his name to beast.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
He's a beast.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Herbert half man, half beast.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He made the two.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Biggest plays of the game.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Uh you know the fourth down touchdown run that he made.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
There was a lot of unblocked guys.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And he just went be slowed and got that ball
in the end zone.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You know, I think all of us that love football,
you me and the audience, we've known Herbert's really good,
and we just kept saying, can we get him a
grown up coach? Can we get him the right coach.
He didn't even have to have a great roster. Just
get him the coach. And it's you're watching what happened.
He has eleven touchdowns one pick like Herbert? Is this
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a four to two major in college that became a
biology tutor, big, strong, mobile, decent, smart like it was.
It's the Andrew Luck thing. Just get him the right coach,
get him some protection. You eventually knew Andrew Luck got
to an ANFC championship. Help him a little. It's it's
really fun to watch this team because they're not always pretty.
You know, they're not dazzling. They're a little like they
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look a little like Kansas City, little boring. Well it's
like Kansas City. You wish they had a star number
one receiver. I feel like they've got. I mean that
Clinton Johnston is not a bust.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Now he's emerging.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He's emerging. Lad mcconky's in two Palmer solid. I feel
with the Chiefs and the Chargers. I wish they had
a go to star receiver. They don't, but you could
win a lot of games being a great coach, a
great quarterback, a great defense, and situationally good on offense.
And that's when the charge.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's been tremendous.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
I don't want to pour cold water, but you know,
we've played both sides here. We need to let the
audience know what's up. The Chargers have played one of
the worst schedules in the league. Yes, they've played nobody.
These are the next four teams they face. Okay, they
start out with Joe Burrow this week. This will be
the toughest quarterback this defense's face. And the Chargers defense,
by the way, has not allowed more than twenty points
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in a game this season. Yeah, pretty great start, right, Yeah,
and then they have a little Lamar Jackson. As you
can see the schedule here, it gets tough and then
Matt Ryan went winnable, Patrick Mahomes. Next four games, we'll
find out if the Chargers are for real. But Burrow
Lamar back to back Colin that is going to be
a challenging.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But here's what's amazing. And I talked about this to
start the show, the level, the gap in competency in
the league. This defense was the worst in the league
easily last year. Same players. Remember their first two picks
were offense, same players. It is now the best defense
in the league.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Brandons Daily doesn't no defense. Obviously, it's not Matt Ryan
and the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I don't know what to say, Matt Ryan, but no,
I mean, seriously, Chargers six and three look like they
could be headed to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Let's just pump the brakes until the next few I.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Said to contend, what if there's a team in the
league the Chargers are playing like, I think it's the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We love the coach, the quarterback, the pass rush, young
defensive players. We wonder can they be more consistent on
the perimeter offensively? Yeah, it's I mean the coordinator, Jesse
mintor the coordinator is he after spags this? Jesse mintor guy.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
It's interesting you bring him up.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
So I saw that they had seven sacks yesterday, so
I instantly look, Oh, Bosa and Mac must have gone crazy.
They played twenty two snaps total. They started two rookies
at quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I'm like, how did they want?
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Maybe this is about will Levis being awful, because he
was certainly worse than Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But let me just say this. Great coaches choose great staffs.
The best staff in the league now is arguably Kansas City.
I'm not make an argument this. Jesse Minner the second
best staff in the league. The Chargers are on a
short list. I mean we've seen this for years with McVeigh.
I mean they're defensive coordinators. Whether you like Brandon Saley
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or not, he was a good assistant. Yeah, So don't
forget great. Average coaches choose average staff.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
The most impressive thing about the Chargers, Colin, is that
they have a philosophy.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
We know what you know exactly.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
And Hartle's been there for what eight months? My New
York Jets last twenty years? What's their organization for low
They don't have one.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There's nothing. I was hardball and is still one that
quickly like, yeahs.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I talked to Dean Spanos about this and I said,
you know, I said, Jim is he's you know, he's
he's different. He's got a different personality. And he said
we needed different. He's like, we needed different, We needed
a man to come in and give us an identity.
And he felt within six weeks the building felt different.
Have you ever watched the post game with Hardball given
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out game balls to everybody hits a riot?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Did you see the high five thing in the locker room?
He's like, all right, let boss, everybody knew high five.
It's just like the whole team. This is cool.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
This is fun that they're impossible not to root for.
It's very old. I'll tell you this. Jim Arbaugh is
on a short list to be that dominant in college
and pro football. A lot of these NFL guys the parcels,
you know, Jimmy Johnson college and pro was great. Pete
Carroll did very well at both. A lot of these
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coaches are like pro coaches or college coaches. Harbaugh's on
a short list of one of the great football minds
that we've ever had in the sport. For him to
be able to go to Stanford, they were the worst
team in the league. For him to go to Michigan,
they were a disaster. The Chargers were pathetic. They were
then a mutiny, then a team mutiny. Yeah, they quit
on Brandon Sale. Last thought, Colin maybe too hot for
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the first hour here. But if I'm a playoff team,
the Chargers scare me more than the Pittsburgh Steelers right now.
I know you like the Steelers in your Momas Herbert,
I'm Herbert's a different.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Listen, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Eventually people are going to go back to the two
high safety look that he cannot solve.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Right anyways, moving on to the Arizona Cardinals. WHOA, they've
won four straight. I know you're bullets on your guy,
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I love their offensive pieces.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Kyler set a record yesterday in the franchise seventeenth straight completions,
cooking the Jets secondary. He took a brutal hit from
Quincy Williams lost his helmet.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I thought Kyler Murray might have been dead for a second.
It was a vicious hit popped up. No big deal.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Jonathan Gannon, coach, saying his praises after the game.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I think the quarterback was the best player on the
planet today. And uh so, kudos to him when he
has the ball in his hands, you know, as a
defensive guy. Any anytime he gets to snap, you're you're
hanging on to her, you know what you know? And
and I thought he was lights out today he was.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know, you guys a bunch of haters on this
show that I'm always pushing back on all you Kyler haters.
But how about McBride, how about how about McBride the
tight end?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh my god, Harrison, they got another receiver. I like
Connor Kyler. Kyler is he is such he does remind
me you get a little Russell Wilson about seven years ago.
I mean, it's just they They have drafted well on offense.
They got dudes in every unit. They have elite players offensive.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I don't like the MVP discussion until we turn the
calendar December.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It doesn't matter. It's yer fifth best odds to an MVP.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think Lamar won, Kyler twos, Kyler Murray second to Lamar.
What will you do? Who you got? I think he's
number two in the race.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Who has he been better than Josh Allen. Kyler has
way better weapons than Josh Allen. Josh Allen's just carrying
the Bills on his back. No Cooper, no Coleman, ass
no big deal. Will just smash the Colts. You can
argue Kyler Murray's carrying the franchise. Jared Goff, I know
five interceptions last night.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Oh no, he's the worst quarterback. Forget the MVP. They
still won the game. M v P fifth best odds.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I think he's magne.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think, by the way, are the Cardinals winning that division?
Can we call it the schedule real quick? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Call it Seattle at Seattle this week.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's probably they are a more consistent team than San Francisco,
that is indisputable. They are more everybody hurt.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Hold on at Seattle at the Vikings. I think they're
going to be small underdogs in both those.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Okay, but Minnesota right now is regression is clear. Seattle's
got complete limitation.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Wait, they're coming off the by They're gonna get healthy defense.
And then it's Patriots Panthers. Those are two wins, but
they end with Rams Niners.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
We'll be to you whatever you want. That Arizona wins
double digit games. It may only be ten, not eleven.
They're winning these, They're winning more than half those games.
I see a lot of double us. I think they're
better than the Niners, right, I don't think there's any
question they're better than Niners. They beat him a must
Ago in Santa Claro.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
That was a fluky game that the Niners outplayed the
heck out of them, and they won because of total nonsense.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It was just you really are Oh I think eryl
digit wins.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'll go to you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I think they'll win. Not well, what are they at now?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Six?
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah, they're going to beat the Panthers and the Patriots.
So that gets them to eight. Eight, So then they
have to steal one from Seattle.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
They're not beating the Rams or ninety.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You'll one from Seattle. You don't have to steal one.
You can just get on a plane, go up there,
win and come back.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know what to do, Seahawks fans. A sorry final story.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Let's get to the Oh gosh, this Cowboys, I mean,
what a dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
So this is interesting.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Down seven to three, late in the first quarter, Cooper
Rush had cede Lamb in the end zone, but Lamb
apparently couldn't see due to the sunlight.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
You could see him here. He's like, where's the ball?
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And then he goes and complaints to McCarthy, I couldn't
see and he basically said he wants curtains in the
Jerry Dome to help with the sunlight situation. Well, Jerry
Jones was very angry at this. Well let's tear down
the damn stadium and build another one. Are you kidding me?
Everybody has got the same thing. Every team that comes
in here has the same issues. I'm saying, the world
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knows where the sun is. This is a meltdown in progress.
Dak Prescott apparently out for the season. There's reports of
that from credible reporters.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know it's over. There's always a silver lining. They
are a three win team. I think they're gonna finish
the season as a four win team and have a
top five draft pick. Somebody's gonna make a move to
get cam Ward Dallas. There is a silver lining. I've
been sending this for two weeks. Tank Soft tank.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
What they just paid Dak Prescott a billion dollars to
meet the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Somebody will move up to get cam Ward you'll get another,
You'll get two ones, two threes too. Takes one year
in this league and you get the right coach, Chargers
and some draft picks, Houston, you can turn it around
in one year.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Let me push back on that.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Did you see the Trey Lance trade where the Tip
Fortynineers traded.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Up for Lance? Total bust?
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You see the Brice Young trade traded up absolute bust.
I would be little cautious if I'm around the league
trading up for cam Ward who you're luke warmonck right,
you don't even love it?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, I love rough game over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm not a cam Ward guy, So who's.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Trading up for me? Colin?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
There is no talent on this team and just by
the way Cooper rush at forty five yards pass it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, I watched.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
They can't move the football.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
I watched Zeke Elliott goes from skipping meetings to fumbling
inside the five yard last.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It is a laughing stock, right.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I haven't gotten any of my stuff yet. Ready to roll, Colin? Right,
Colin on top of next hour.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
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Speaker 4 (31:55):
I'm saying the board in the USS paradock ward.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I want to give a special shout out to my.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Mom, dad, the love of my life, Benny and my
son Braydon.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I'd be veterans they go bus.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Thank you for taking time for us and choosing us.
Today in the Herd, there's a lot happening twenty minutes
from now. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
Matt Hasselbeck stops Bahisoa's great. So listen the good news
for the Niners. They played poorly in one. That's a
mark of a good team. And Tampa's not a bad team.
But they've got two or three real issues. One of them.
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You can tell what people care about in life. When
New England had its dynasty, they kept Matt Slater, a
wide receiver there for sixteen years. Why he was the
best special teams player in the league. Dan Campbell's teams
are physical. Jim harboss teams are physical. Immediately, it's what
they care about. Lamar Jackson's body, He's transformed his body right, thinner,
let you can tell when people care about things, they'll
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show you. Kyle Shanahan does not care about special teams.
He has a disregard for it. They muffed upon in
the Super Bowl last year, they muffed upunt yesterday. They
missed multiple field I mean, week after week after week.
Their special teams are a disaster. They just don't care.
And you can tell me you care about something, but
I'm gonna watch your actions. And when I watch San Francisco,
they do not care. It is not a priority. They
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muffed upunt yesterday, they did it in the Super Bowl.
It's a problem. The second issue for San Francisco half
the league is running a variation of their offense, and
so the element of surprise on the debo jet sweeps.
I couldn't tay the last one that hit. I mean,
good teams sniff those out. The Rams will sniff them out,
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the Chiefs will sniff them out. The good teams debo
is not as explosive. And he also had yesterday he
got into a pushing match with a long snapper. So
I'm not sure why they signed brand and I you
to a monster contract. He held out. Then they drafted
two receivers, but there's two or three things. The special
teams an issue, this sideline stuff. There's an agitation. Yesterday
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is the first time they went back to back all year.
They're getting old in key spots. Philadelphia is not old.
They've got great young players on defense, really young. Detroit's
not old. Green Bay's not old, Kansas City's not old,
Baltimore's not old, Buffalo's not old. San Francisco feels old.
They don't care about special teams. Now you got a
sideline confrontation. Half the league runs a variation of this offense,
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so it's not fooling people like it did. In fact,
Debo is having like a career low in yards per touch.
So it's just it doesn't feel like this is a
hoist to trophy team. They are a good team. They
are well coached. They are good enough to play poorly
and win. Nobody's saying they're terrible. But I mean, special
teams matter, age, health matters, the element of surprise matters.
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I mean a couple of years ago, three years ago,
when the offense wasn't as duplicated and copied, and it's
still unique to San Francisco and has its own feel.
But a lot of people are running variations of it.
They're not catching people off guard. And really, the difference
between San Francisco and Kansas City, they both have a
both have a great coach, they both have really good players.
The difference is Mahomes. When you're imperfect, we'll win the games.
(35:06):
Brock Purty played very well in the fourth quarter yesterday,
but he's not Mahomes. And so as you age, as
you have little issues in your team, sometimes the answer is, yeah,
we got Lamar Jackson or we got Patrick Mahomes. I
like Purty played well in the fourth, but he is
not Mahomes. And the sideline thing, I think it's just
(35:29):
a frustration that runs deep. I think this team's getting frustrated.
I think they're getting more predictable. And here's Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
After probably an obvious one. Guy's frustrated and something probably happened,
and you know, brother scuffle a little bit. I didn't
see any of us. I don't know how bad it was,
but something I'm not too worried about. We'll fix it
that hasn't been fixed already. We'll fix on the plane
and go back to loving each other tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So yeah, I mean you don't want this. It's not
the end of the world. I always say everything is something.
Nothing is everything. But the bigger issue to me is
a disregard for special teams and the fact they're not
fooling people. The element of surprise feels mostly gone. In
a week to week basis. Okay, Philadelphia and Dallas played.
I don't want to talk too much about the Cowboys.
Let's talk Philadelphia. Dallas is awful, probably the worst team
(36:15):
in the league. I think Carolina beats him in a
couple of weeks. Philadelphia, in my opinion, has the best
roster in the NFL. Now, you don't know some of
their defensive players, like Quinnon Mitchell, like the Toledo cornerback.
That dude's a baller. Like you just don't know much
about their young players. You know, Jalen Carter very young,
he's healthy now, Dean the linebacker from Georgia. A lot
(36:36):
of their defensive players you don't know yet. You may
not watch college football, but Philadelphia's offensive talent you know.
You know Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown and Devonte Smith
and Saquon Bark, you know Lane Johnson. Those kind of
players they've had for years. You know them defensively, this
is becoming a really interesting team and you don't necessarily
know them. I don't think this roster has a hole.
(36:58):
In fact that maybe the coach they draft, well, they
pay stars. But Kansas City feels a little bit light
in terms of offensive talent, and Baltimore and Detroit feel
a little light in terms of defensive talent. This team
doesn't feel light anywhere. They got great veterans, great guys
in their prime, tremendous young players defensively who are not
(37:20):
even in their prime yet. So I mean, and the
other thing they're doing with Jalen Hurts, and this is
a real thing, is that And this is not a criticism,
but there's one Mahomes, you know, there's one Josh Allen
where you can just say yes, sling it forty five
times Jalen Hurts. Now they're only asking him to throw
twenty times a game. It's not a criticism. Jalen Hurts
(37:41):
throwing twenty times a game and running seven times is excellent.
When you're asking him to throw thirty seven times, it's
not as excellent. So I think they've really figured out.
You got to give Nick Siriani credit for this they've
kind of figured out with Jalen Hurts, this is what
we want him to be. Let's not ask him to
do that, Let's ask him to do this. By the way,
(38:03):
that's how you have to manage most quarterbacks in the league.
Peyton Manning, you could say, bro go throw it forty
eight times. You know, he's one of one. You know,
there's just not many guys like that. But I think
they found their identity. They know what Jalen is, they're
using them effectively, and their talent is all both sides,
all over the roster.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Here's Nick Obviously didn't start the way we wanted it
to start, but there's something to be said for guys
that can rebound and play a really good game after
things don't go right early on.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Only team in the NFL top seven scoring offense, top
seven scoring defense this roster, both sides young in their prime,
older players, stacked, and you're seeing it grow
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