November 11, 2024 • 27 mins
What to take from Caleb Williams regressing this season
More on the Lions and Chiefs winning over the weekend even though they played poorly
It looks like the Giants are moving off of Daniel Jones
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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an hour ago discussing the mess in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think that's the most important thing that we do,
that we have some steadiness here but also make the
necessary adjustments and changes that we need to make. What's
best for the Bear's going forward. And everything's on the table,
and it's important that we look at everything and the
time to get that done.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
You can make a change of quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, Caleb is our starter with that, Albert Breer joining
us live on a Monday, Monday morning quarterback all right,
So Ryan Paul said he's safe for the year and
maybe next year. Where are we this morning? What are
you hearing?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
I mean I think you look at their offensive staff
and maybe there's some shuffling that happens there. I think
the primary problem here, Colin, if you look at the
makeup of the staff, they really don't have anyone who
has experienced working with a rookie quarterback before it goes
right on down the line. You know, Sean Walder did
a great job with Gino Smith, but when he got
him in Seattle, he was already a veteran, worked with
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Jared Goff in Los Angeles, had Russell Wilson for a
little while.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
There in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
You know, then you look, Thomas Brown is the is
the pass game coordinator there?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Does he have that experience? Know, he was with veteran
quarterbacks with the Rams.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Carrie Joseph is there a quarterbacks coach?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:57):
He is another one who doesn't have doesn't have any
experience working with rookie quarterbacks. So yeah, I think a
big piece of this, and a big question a lot
of people around the League of asked, is like, why
aren't there more people on that staff When they decided
they were going to offload justin fields and go to
a rookie quarterback. Why aren't there more people on that
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staff who have experienced working with a rookie and working
from the ground up with a rookie.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Think that's part of the whole right now and where
they're at the alarming thing to me.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And I don't know how much of that game you
watched yesterday.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
There was there were I mean, he took nine sacks
and the offensive line wasn't great, but there were also
plays where you could tell that the wheels were turning
in his head and he's standing in the pocket thinking,
and I think that caused some of.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
The hits he took too.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, that's what Matt Hasselbeck said an hour ago on
our show. Some of this is on him. I don't
think there's been an ability to scheme up some easy layups,
which young quarterbacks want. Drake May has gotten better in
three weeks than Caleb has a whole season. I want
to go to this. So I was wrong on this.
I thought the Steeters were tone deaf offensively last three years.
They couldn't get the on line right, the run game right,
the coordinator right. I'm like, I'm out. They just can't
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get the offense. Right, I could give Russell Wilson all
the credit, but I'll give Mike Tomlin some. Justin Fields
was four and two and he moved off him and
most defensive coaches they don't want, you know, And and
he nailed Arthur Smith. How much of this is Russ
How much is Tomlin? How much is Arthur Smith? Because
the deep ball Albert it is back in Pittsburgh, run game,
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deep ball, this is their history.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
All of them deserve credit, all of them, you know,
I'll start with Tomlin. There were a lot of people
in that building, in the locker room, in the front office,
on the coaching staff who wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
To stick with Justin when they were fourign two.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Mike Tomlin had the instincts to know that if I
go to Russell Wilson, now I'm giving myself two shots
at it rather than one. If you stick with Justin
Fields too, that's probably it for us, right. Instead, you
roll the dice to the guys won a Super Bowl before,
and if it doesn't work out, you can always go
back to Justin. I also, you know, believe that Tomlin
thought it would open up a part of the game,
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you know, with George peck Pickens is the deep threat
that they didn't have as much under justin Field.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So that's happened as well.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
And then I think, you know, Arthur Smith and Russell
Wilson both deserve credit for the way that marriage has
come together. And what I mean is, you know, Arthur
Smith being able to retro fit the offense for Russell Wilson,
but just as much as Russell Wilson accepting the reality
of who he is as a player and what they've
done there, the movement concepts, the run concepts of past game.
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They're marrying all that stuff together the same way they
did in Seattle when Russell was at his best. And
it's easy for a coach to do that. It's not
as easy to get Russell to accept that. I think
there was a period in Russell's career when he was
in Denver when he wanted to be something different than that,
and he's come off of it. And I think that's
a huge credit to Russell that I'm willing now to
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go back to what I was in Seattle. I'm willing
to really embrace playing the way that I was playing
in Seattle. It's it's basically having the humility to say
I was wrong, you know, and there maybe the coaches
in Seattle who deployed me a certain way were right.
And so I think that those things have come together too.
So I think Tomlin gets credit for having to go
against what a lot of people in his building wanted.
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I think Arthur Smith gets the credit for fitting the
offense to what Russell's best at based on studying his
entire career. And I think Russell deserves a lot of
credit for having the humility to implicitly say I was
wrong in Denver, and maybe the people that I worked
with in Seattle were right all along.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, So listen, Rams Dolphins tonight. We're looking ahead, but
I do want to look back to the first game
in Daniel Jones. Listen, it's not working this. This is
the two bad teams in the league. I think Dallas
is awful. Carolina. Carolina has got a little bit of
a positive vibe right now. And if you watch Carolina
Giants Carolina, I would feel pretty good. Bryce Young looked
like he was comfortable last couple of weeks. He's got
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a star receiver, a rookie receiver from the South. He's
really good player. Daniel Jones they are now they're moving
off him right like it's official they will draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, well so, so right now they're in this place
where they're not making the playoffs. I think we can
agree on that. Right two an eight, it's not happening.
So they're effectively playing out the string now. And the
way his contract sets up this is similar to Russell
Wilson last year in Denver. He has injury guarantees for
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next year and so there's there's a twenty three million
dollar injury guarantee, which means if he can't pass the
physical next September, then the Giants run the hook for
that number. But more urgently, if he can't pass a
physical in March, than twelve million of that twenty three
million in vest is fully guaranteed. So we're talking about,
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you know, at least an eight figure decision that they
got to make here on whether or not they're going
to keep rolling Daniel Jones out there. Oh, by the way,
without his starting left tackle Andrew Thomas is down for
the year, So you know, at this point, I think
the decision sort of has to be made where they're
going into their by coming out of it. Drew lock
should be their starting quarterback. Daniel Jones probably should be
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on the bench.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
And you're not supposed to make decisions based on these things,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
The reality of it is, everybody knows what the score is.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
He's not going to be their quarterback in twenty twenty five,
so they have to make the move to put him
on the bench and put them on ice for the
rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And you know, then the Giants.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Are going right back into that quarterbacking wilderness, and they're
doing it in a year that I don't think is
going to be a great one to get one out
of the draft.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, so it's I said this, there's a couple of
issues with the Niners. Now here's the good news. Detroit,
Kansas City and San Francisco played poorly in one. These
are good teams, that's I mean. Listen, Baltimore's defense was
awful last Thursday, played poorly and they won. So they're
a half. We all know that they're a have not,
a have not. Jets played poorly, couldn't compete. Dallas played poorly,
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couldn't compete halves have nots. The Havelves can play poorly
and win. San Francisco special teams were a mess. I'm
gonna throw something else at you. Though. A big chunk
of this league is using variations of this offense. It's
been ripped off.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right, when I watched San Francisco, I thought brock Perty
was fine. Yesterday late fine. It doesn't feel like the
Debo jet sweeps catch anybody off guard. I mean, Kittle
had a couple of great moments. They feel like they're
getting old. The league is using variations, so everybody knows
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this offense, they're seeing it in practice. I feel like,
I don't know. I feel like there's a big move
coming here albert I don't feel they're a trophy team.
I don't think they can handle it a pull up
a trophy this year.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Well, actually, what you're talking about is why they drafted
Trey Lance in the first place. Was Kyle Shanahan looking
at it and saying, half the league runs my offense,
So Halet is practicing against my offense every day, and
so do When he was making the decision between Mac
Jones and Trey Lance in twenty twenty one, it was well,
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I can have Mac Jones come in and run my offense,
or I can bring in Trey Lance and then grow
my offense and expand my offense and turn my offense
into something else, and obviously that didn't work out. And
then I think they get, you know, a different version
of mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I'd say, a.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Souped up version, a more athletic version of mac Jones
and brock Purty, or at least at how they saw
mac Jones back in twenty twenty one. Yeah, so they
are running, you know, a variation of what they've always done. Now,
Kyle's always been really good at moving the ball forward,
but you know, like you said, like if half the
league is seeing the offense in practice every day, well
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a lot of the concepts you're going to throw at them.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Isn't aren't going to be foreign anymore.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
And that's sort of where it's at with that, And
I know Kyle's aware of it and has really aggressively
tried to move to doing different things, like, you know,
more gap scheme runs instead of just puizone running. There
are a lot of things that they've done to try
to combat that, but it's it's definitely a factor.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I would say this though. All right, they're five and
four right now, do you know what the record was
after nine games, it was six and three. The yem
before that, after nine games they were five and four.
The Ever before that, after nine games they were four
and five.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, so they're right where they've been the last three
years after nine games. So I spaced on the talent there,
and obviously the coaching staff, I wouldn't rule out the
idea that they could go on.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And run here.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So Philadelphia, a month ago, we were lining up the
life preservers for Nick Siriani. I mean it was man overboard,
and four games later, they've put certain boundaries around Jalen Hurts.
He's throwing like twenty times a game. They're young, young
defensive players now, Dean Carter, the Toledo corner, Mitchell, They're
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all emerging as really really good players. Something happened is
is Sirianni get credit for it? Or was it the
team getting healthy, the coordinators getting developed? What happened to Philadelphia?
Because a month ago they couldn't handle.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Live minutes ago?
Speaker 6 (11:11):
It feels like we were talking about like Belichick, right right, Yeah.
I think it's it's interesting. I think I made this
point to when I was out there calling that the
NFC East is like the sec or the expectations are
ridiculous and coaches are always in the hot seat, you know,
and that exists in Philly, no question.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean, this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Guy who inherited what was it, a four to twelve
and one team, right, and in twenty twenty one went
to the playoffs. His first year, went to the Super Bowl,
his second year, lost both of his coordinators. Going into
his third year, backslid a little bit, but still made
the playoffs in his third year. So that's playoffs three
straight years and goes into year four and his seat
is scorching hot. Yeah, I mean it's crazy if you
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really kind of like look at it. And so I'm
not sure in that environment that they live in that
there was enough respect given to the amount of change
there was in that building. Okay, you have a completely
new offense coming in with Kellen Moore, you have a
completely new defense coming in with Vic Fangio, and you've
lost a serious chunk of your leadership infrastructure with the
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retirements of Jason Kelcey on offense and Fletcher Cox on defense.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That's a lot to replace.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
And I think if you look at it, like if
we're just taking a sober look at it. Take the
scheme part out of it. This is still a really
talented team, right, This is still a team that's got
a lot of good players on it. Aj Brown, DeVante Smith,
you know, Dallas Goddard, they bring in Saquon Barkley. The
lines of scrimmage are still really good. And if you know,
a couple of things fall into place, like the young
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defensive backs start playing really well, then you can get
yourself to a place where you look at this and
say this might be the most talented team in the NFC.
So I think with Philly it's just a weird thing.
And maybe it's the NFC East in general or our
perspective on that team in particular. It is just a
little bit different. And I think maybe all that leadership,
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scheme infrastructure going out the door and all the change
happening led to some bumps early on that have been
smoothed out.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, they looked the part. They played poorly for half
that game and blew out Dallas. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback,
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Speaker 2 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's I think right now, the most impressive team
in terms of talent is Philadelphia Detroit. Not quite as
athletic defensively is second San Francisco. U Healthy's really I
don't know if there's a third. I really like the Eagles.
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You know, it's funny we had this three year stretch
when the NFC was down and Mahomes Lamar, Herbert Josh
Allen had emerged in the AFC, and NFC's top was
way better than the NFC's top. Now what's interesting is
I think there's a bottom to the AFC, and I
mean there's the top still great. The second layer is
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like Pittsburgh and Houston, the Chargers. You start looking at
the NFC now like Washington's a real team. They're not
ready to hoist a trophy, but it's a real team.
Don't forget about Green Bay. They had to buy their
real team. Philadelphia Detroit I think have the two best
rosters in the NFL. There's an argument San Francisco is third,
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and they're all NFC teams. And what's interesting about that.
I said this going into this year I said, the
worrying part, the concerning part for the Cowboys was in
the last couple of years, green Bay was too young,
Detroit wasn't ready. San Francisco was obviously great, but Aaron left,
the conference went. You had this moment for Dallas last
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couple of years where they were beating up on the
middle and the bottom of the NFC. The middle and
the bottom were pretty damn week And now the middle
of the NFC is Arizona. The middle of the NFC
is the rebuilt Ram defense. Like, the middle of the
NFC was really soft for a couple of years, and
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the Cowboys did word it well. In the regular season,
they were beating the Washingtons and the New York Giants
and the Carolinas. They were beating it up. Now the
Giants in Carolina aren't much. But the middle of the
NFC now Washington, I mean, Atlanta, Rams, Arizona, Minnesota. Dallas
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isn't as good as those teams. Those are the middle
NFC teams. So you got you have to take advantage
of your opportunities. You know, It's like when Phil Mickelson.
If Tiger took a tournament off, go play the tournament.
Take advantage of it. If Nadal took a tournament off,
you know what I mean, Like, there's just opportunities here.
When you're in this tunnel. In pro sports, you get,
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you get breaks. Giannis gets hurt in the playoff. Okay,
the Eastern Conference is easier, but uh, I mean, look
at this. I'm for our radio audience. I apologize the
NFC playoff picture. Some of these teams were awful years ago.
Look at the middle of the NFC now, San Francisco Rams, Washington, Minnesota.
That's kind of the middle. We know Philadelphia's talent, Detroit's
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tandle that's the top of it. But man, there's a
thick middle now. You know, Dallas thought coming into the
season they would be middle up their bottom looking up
at both classes the very best, which is small in
the middle.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I just wonder, are you overreacting a little bit to
the results this week because I think Washington's an upper
echelon team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You sink there, Okay, so if they are, well, no,
let's look at Washington. So they've lost to the Ravens,
They've lost to the Steelers, and they lost to the
healthy Buccaneers. The three best teams they've played, they've lost.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
Town for the first game was Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well and the Bucks were totally healthy with Baker.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
There's a good faced Todd Bowles out of the gate.
I don't read much into the Tampa result.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think Detroit and Philly looked a part. I think
Detroit and Philly those are elite rosters.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So Washington, you're right. They lost to Baltimore thirty to
twenty three.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
And they lost to Pittsburgh twenty eight twenty seven. Again,
they probably should have won yesterday. I what listen, I
know they had their.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Most they didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
They didn't do certainly, there was some struggles in the
first half. Step up in class against Tomlin who owns.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Me, and they got they got. Let's be honest about Washington.
We love the story. They got the fake punt gift
and a fumble at the one yard that could have
been Pittsburgh taken a knee with four minutes left. They
could have easily killed the clock on that s.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Your takeaway from that game is Pittsburgh's definitely a superior
team to Washington.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Absolutely on the road gave him a gift special teams,
a fumble at.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
The one.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Goal.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Look at the stats they averaged like double.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Yard for Washington's best performance is clear, well.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's funny, it's flay. They didn't play well against Baltimore Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
It was awful.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Bye.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I mean you started running back Brian Robinson, who's so good?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The three of teams they've faced, they're all in.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Three Cincinnati, aren't they good? Arizonae Cincinnati's worst, worst defense
in the league.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
They led the Raiders by double digits twice in the
second half and lost both games. Also Arizona, they went
to the desert and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Beat And I think Arizona is closer to the top
of the NFC than the middle.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
You would have Arizona ahead of Washington.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Oh, yes, absolutely, I'm just gonna remind you this score
was Washington forty two, Arizona fourteen.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Arizona's gotten their young guys, right. I think the top
of the NFC is Philadelphia, Detroit, Yes, and then I
think the middle is is Arizona, San Francisco, La Rams, Washington,
Green Bay, Green Bay. I think is Green Bay and
Arizona are really close to the top of the NFC.
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But because of injuries to Jordan Love or a couple
of sputters early. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I'm just gonna remind everybody that the last three wins
for Arizona are twenty eight twenty seven over Miami in
two his return, Miami's a dumpster fire Chicago which chas
players quitting and the coach is about to get run.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
And the lowly Jets. They don't need to know what introduction.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Blowing out a couple of those dominating all. I'm gonna
say this, j mac Oways qualify stuff. It's the NFL. Yeah,
if you watched Arizona and the Jets play, Jets got players.
Don't tell me the Jets don't have talent. That game
was not competitive. It was a blowout blowout going to Miami.
When two was back, I saw Miami go to Buffalo
and have them beat. They went to Arizona, went to
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Miami down ten, came roaring back on the road and won.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Arizona's had some weird comebacks, right.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
They had to come back against the Niners, which was
total luck, and then they had to come back against Miami.
I just don't know the lucky ending against the Church.
The word luck a lot, well, Chiefs are lucky a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Game show me right now. To be honestly, guys in
the back, show me the field goal atep by Denver
to win the game. Show me this you're calling that luck?
That is the special teams coach for the Chiefs saying, guys,
bring your heat. And we know athletes aren't motivated on
every play of the game. Look at the utter domination
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by Kansas City. Seven guys got watched this. Holy crap,
seven guys got through.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
But here's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Pieves slap walk through the look of this thing. I've
never seen anything like that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So if I read a couple of quotes from the
Chiefs players, and I guess they ties on film from
Denver's blockers, and it's it's awful. But I guarantee you
if you look at how many kicks inside forty yards
were blocked in the last five years, it's got to
be like under four.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
I mean, it never happens.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All I am saying is, isn't it ironic how Kansas
City's always the best team in the league when it
matters on big plays. If not you use luck, luck
doesn't even exist.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I thought I saw Andy Reid walk into the locker
room and pull a horseshoe out of his pants and
just like we got lucky once again.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here's the radio call in Kansas City on the not
luck but preparation scheme. Block Buck's waiting for the snare.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Placeman is down.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Let's just take us block.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's Bolet's block.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
They're gonna stay undefeated.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
The Kansas City chase blocked on thirty five yark field
goal attent.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, now hey, and you know what they're gonna beat
The Bills probably goes seventeen or oh in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Love it? I yeah, yeah. Luck is if Denver's kicker
on a dry field comes in and slips, twists an ankle,
shanks it left. That's luck. That ain't luck.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
MOOKI take Moody unlucky.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
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Speaker 5 (22:46):
Sam Darnold and the Vikings got their seventh win yesterday,
but it was pretty sloppy. Three interceptions, almost a fourth
that was negated by penalty. Kevin O'Connell's still confident in
his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're still confident Sam.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It'd be craziness not to be. In fact, I was
looking at it as a great opportunity to see growth.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And continue to move the team.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So because we're gonna we're gonna check back in.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
On this moment and use it the right way, and
then Sam's gonna be better off for it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I truly do believe that. Yeah, I thought he got
a little conservative with a play calling, playing not to
lose very uh protective. I didn't like it.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
The schedules just cupcake City for the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I keep trying to think, like, oh, they're gonna miss
the playoffs. But Colin Tennessee considerable favorites. Chicago flaming dumpster fire,
Arizona's a loss, Atlanta, I don't know what Atlanta is
all of a sudden, like they're they're touch and go,
and it's like Chicago. I think the Vikings probably still
get in the playoffs. But Donald's got to tighten it
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up significantly.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Right, Yeah, I mean he you're getting the best of
Sam Donald, but he is Sam Donald, It's Carson Wentz.
There's a lot of talent. It's in this disputable. He's racked.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I don't think he's Baker.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Maybe Baker isn't as strong or athletic as Sam. Sam
can make plays that Baker can't. Baker throws a better ball,
a more accurate football.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Next up, Drake May outdual Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
May didn't have a big day statistically through for a
buck eighty four in a touchdown, but his leadership is
standing out.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
To Gerardmeo, Drake has addressed the offense numerous times. I
think this is it goes back to now he's starting
to really take control of the offense and the team.
I mean, when you go out there and you perform
at a high level. That's the first step. The next
step is to bring others with you, and I think
he's on his way to doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, I think you have to feel pretty good as
a Patriot fan. This is the worst roster that Drake
will ever have. And I don't know if the coach
is right, but when you watch Drake May, he is
now looking like his comp which was an unrefined, unpolished
Justin Herbert. Big move well, nice arm, had bad feet,
his mechanics and his feet were all messed up in college.
(25:05):
But if I was a Patriot fan, I'd watched this
and thank god. If we get him a top tight
end and we upgrade the offensive line, there's something definitely there.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I like him a little more than you I think Herbert.
If he turns into anything close to Justin Herbert, that's
a massive win. Final story is quickly Dolphins DRAMs tonight.
There's still no word on Tyreek Hill, who's dealing with
a wrist injury. McDaniel said he's doing everything he can
to play tonight, but the line is going toward the
Rams there and now two and a half point favorites.
This was like pick a minus one all week that
(25:35):
Tyreek Hill numbers in four games at SOFI are unbelievable
on that turf indoor.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
See, I mean, he just cooks.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
If he plays, it's gonna be a great game. If
he doesn't, I would definitely I like the Rams here.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, the Rams are still not healthy on the interior
of their all line. They're playing a rookie center, they
don't want to. They're playing pretty marginal left guard, so
it's still not a great line. Wilkins planned the d
tackle for the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
They're not going to do inactives until little Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I mean that I think the Rams can have
a little problem running the ball tonight through the interior.
But this is the healthiest the Rams have been in
a while. They're there, and their defenses we've talked about
is young and young defenses. We've seen this with Kansas City.
If they do get hurt, they get healthier faster. Oh
look at this. Okay, So the Rams have officially activated
(26:26):
Steve a Vila and Jonah Jackson for to night's game
with the Dolphins. They're gonna eat. I'll love. I officially
love the Rams total there.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They're finally the first time all year the Rams are
officially the Rams tonight. So Pookah's in Cooper Cup.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Now this no.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Excuse it, this is the beat. Now. They don't have
Tyler higgsby the tight end, but they went and got Seattle. No, no, no, no,
this is big news. So Steva Vila, Jonah Jackson healthy,
the old line is finally one hundred percent healthy.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Dolphins defenses largely crap boy AFC East.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Outside of the Bills, you've got the Jets stink Pulpins
are a tire fire. Patriots are three wins.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Gosh, that Jets thing didn't work out for it.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Can we just make it an agreement that we're not
gonna talk Jets anymore for like.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Oh, you believe me, I'm done, Like yesterday was like,
I'm done. I think the only question is does Aaron retire?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
That's what I asked, hassl Well.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I asked Woody Johnson, Aaron, sorry, we're cutting you, or
you can retire.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Take the dead cap. In a great quarterback draft class,
you could do that in this class. I mean, who's available?
Sam Darnold's Rogers.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
You're not winning?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Do you want this toxic nonsense throughout the season next year.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't know if it's toxic. It's just not good.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Every time Rogers talks, we're talking about him. That's toxic
to me.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, he makes news, he's a newsmaker. All right, we'll
see you tomorrow. Alive in Los Angeles. It's the hurt.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
How do you recognize elegant design? It's in the details
twenty twenty five Genesis GD seventy athletic lines coop like profile,
suv prowess. So here's the Bears coach Matt Eberflu just
an hour ago discussing the mess in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think that's the most important thing that we do,
that we have some steadiness here but also make the
necessary adjustments and changes that we need to make. What's
best for the Bear's going forward. And everything's on the table,
and it's important that we look at everything and the
time to get that done.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
You can make a change of quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, Caleb is our starter with that, Albert Breer joining
us live on a Monday, Monday morning quarterback all right,
So Ryan Paul said he's safe for the year and
maybe next year. Where are we this morning? What are
you hearing?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
I mean I think you look at their offensive staff
and maybe there's some shuffling that happens there. I think
the primary problem here, Colin, if you look at the
makeup of the staff, they really don't have anyone who
has experienced working with a rookie quarterback before it goes
right on down the line. You know, Sean Walder did
a great job with Gino Smith, but when he got
him in Seattle, he was already a veteran, worked with
(01:39):
Jared Goff in Los Angeles, had Russell Wilson for a
little while.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
There in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
You know, then you look, Thomas Brown is the is
the pass game coordinator there?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Does he have that experience? Know, he was with veteran
quarterbacks with the Rams.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Carrie Joseph is there a quarterbacks coach?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:57):
He is another one who doesn't have doesn't have any
experience working with rookie quarterbacks. So yeah, I think a
big piece of this, and a big question a lot
of people around the League of asked, is like, why
aren't there more people on that staff When they decided
they were going to offload justin fields and go to
a rookie quarterback. Why aren't there more people on that
(02:17):
staff who have experienced working with a rookie and working
from the ground up with a rookie.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Think that's part of the whole right now and where
they're at the alarming thing to me.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And I don't know how much of that game you
watched yesterday.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
There was there were I mean, he took nine sacks
and the offensive line wasn't great, but there were also
plays where you could tell that the wheels were turning
in his head and he's standing in the pocket thinking,
and I think that caused some of.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
The hits he took too.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, that's what Matt Hasselbeck said an hour ago on
our show. Some of this is on him. I don't
think there's been an ability to scheme up some easy layups,
which young quarterbacks want. Drake May has gotten better in
three weeks than Caleb has a whole season. I want
to go to this. So I was wrong on this.
I thought the Steeters were tone deaf offensively last three years.
They couldn't get the on line right, the run game right,
the coordinator right. I'm like, I'm out. They just can't
(03:05):
get the offense. Right, I could give Russell Wilson all
the credit, but I'll give Mike Tomlin some. Justin Fields
was four and two and he moved off him and
most defensive coaches they don't want, you know, And and
he nailed Arthur Smith. How much of this is Russ
How much is Tomlin? How much is Arthur Smith? Because
the deep ball Albert it is back in Pittsburgh, run game,
(03:28):
deep ball, this is their history.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
All of them deserve credit, all of them, you know,
I'll start with Tomlin. There were a lot of people
in that building, in the locker room, in the front office,
on the coaching staff who wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
To stick with Justin when they were fourign two.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Mike Tomlin had the instincts to know that if I
go to Russell Wilson, now I'm giving myself two shots
at it rather than one. If you stick with Justin
Fields too, that's probably it for us, right. Instead, you
roll the dice to the guys won a Super Bowl before,
and if it doesn't work out, you can always go
back to Justin. I also, you know, believe that Tomlin
thought it would open up a part of the game,
(04:04):
you know, with George peck Pickens is the deep threat
that they didn't have as much under justin Field.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So that's happened as well.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
And then I think, you know, Arthur Smith and Russell
Wilson both deserve credit for the way that marriage has
come together. And what I mean is, you know, Arthur
Smith being able to retro fit the offense for Russell Wilson,
but just as much as Russell Wilson accepting the reality
of who he is as a player and what they've
done there, the movement concepts, the run concepts of past game.
(04:33):
They're marrying all that stuff together the same way they
did in Seattle when Russell was at his best. And
it's easy for a coach to do that. It's not
as easy to get Russell to accept that. I think
there was a period in Russell's career when he was
in Denver when he wanted to be something different than that,
and he's come off of it. And I think that's
a huge credit to Russell that I'm willing now to
(04:55):
go back to what I was in Seattle. I'm willing
to really embrace playing the way that I was playing
in Seattle. It's it's basically having the humility to say
I was wrong, you know, and there maybe the coaches
in Seattle who deployed me a certain way were right.
And so I think that those things have come together too.
So I think Tomlin gets credit for having to go
against what a lot of people in his building wanted.
(05:18):
I think Arthur Smith gets the credit for fitting the
offense to what Russell's best at based on studying his
entire career. And I think Russell deserves a lot of
credit for having the humility to implicitly say I was
wrong in Denver, and maybe the people that I worked
with in Seattle were right all along.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, So listen, Rams Dolphins tonight. We're looking ahead, but
I do want to look back to the first game
in Daniel Jones. Listen, it's not working this. This is
the two bad teams in the league. I think Dallas
is awful. Carolina. Carolina has got a little bit of
a positive vibe right now. And if you watch Carolina
Giants Carolina, I would feel pretty good. Bryce Young looked
like he was comfortable last couple of weeks. He's got
(05:57):
a star receiver, a rookie receiver from the South. He's
really good player. Daniel Jones they are now they're moving
off him right like it's official they will draft a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, well so, so right now they're in this place
where they're not making the playoffs. I think we can
agree on that. Right two an eight, it's not happening.
So they're effectively playing out the string now. And the
way his contract sets up this is similar to Russell
Wilson last year in Denver. He has injury guarantees for
(06:28):
next year and so there's there's a twenty three million
dollar injury guarantee, which means if he can't pass the
physical next September, then the Giants run the hook for
that number. But more urgently, if he can't pass a
physical in March, than twelve million of that twenty three
million in vest is fully guaranteed. So we're talking about,
(06:50):
you know, at least an eight figure decision that they
got to make here on whether or not they're going
to keep rolling Daniel Jones out there. Oh, by the way,
without his starting left tackle Andrew Thomas is down for
the year, So you know, at this point, I think
the decision sort of has to be made where they're
going into their by coming out of it. Drew lock
should be their starting quarterback. Daniel Jones probably should be
(07:11):
on the bench.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
And you're not supposed to make decisions based on these things,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
The reality of it is, everybody knows what the score is.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
He's not going to be their quarterback in twenty twenty five,
so they have to make the move to put him
on the bench and put them on ice for the
rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And you know, then the Giants.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Are going right back into that quarterbacking wilderness, and they're
doing it in a year that I don't think is
going to be a great one to get one out
of the draft.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, so it's I said this, there's a couple of
issues with the Niners. Now here's the good news. Detroit,
Kansas City and San Francisco played poorly in one. These
are good teams, that's I mean. Listen, Baltimore's defense was
awful last Thursday, played poorly and they won. So they're
a half. We all know that they're a have not,
a have not. Jets played poorly, couldn't compete. Dallas played poorly,
(07:59):
couldn't compete halves have nots. The Havelves can play poorly
and win. San Francisco special teams were a mess. I'm
gonna throw something else at you. Though. A big chunk
of this league is using variations of this offense. It's
been ripped off.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right, when I watched San Francisco, I thought brock Perty
was fine. Yesterday late fine. It doesn't feel like the
Debo jet sweeps catch anybody off guard. I mean, Kittle
had a couple of great moments. They feel like they're
getting old. The league is using variations, so everybody knows
(08:35):
this offense, they're seeing it in practice. I feel like,
I don't know. I feel like there's a big move
coming here albert I don't feel they're a trophy team.
I don't think they can handle it a pull up
a trophy this year.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Well, actually, what you're talking about is why they drafted
Trey Lance in the first place. Was Kyle Shanahan looking
at it and saying, half the league runs my offense,
So Halet is practicing against my offense every day, and
so do When he was making the decision between Mac
Jones and Trey Lance in twenty twenty one, it was well,
(09:11):
I can have Mac Jones come in and run my offense,
or I can bring in Trey Lance and then grow
my offense and expand my offense and turn my offense
into something else, and obviously that didn't work out. And
then I think they get, you know, a different version
of mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I'd say, a.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Souped up version, a more athletic version of mac Jones
and brock Purty, or at least at how they saw
mac Jones back in twenty twenty one. Yeah, so they
are running, you know, a variation of what they've always done. Now,
Kyle's always been really good at moving the ball forward,
but you know, like you said, like if half the
league is seeing the offense in practice every day, well
(09:48):
a lot of the concepts you're going to throw at them.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Isn't aren't going to be foreign anymore.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
And that's sort of where it's at with that, And
I know Kyle's aware of it and has really aggressively
tried to move to doing different things, like, you know,
more gap scheme runs instead of just puizone running. There
are a lot of things that they've done to try
to combat that, but it's it's definitely a factor.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I would say this though. All right, they're five and
four right now, do you know what the record was
after nine games, it was six and three. The yem
before that, after nine games they were five and four.
The Ever before that, after nine games they were four
and five.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, so they're right where they've been the last three
years after nine games. So I spaced on the talent there,
and obviously the coaching staff, I wouldn't rule out the
idea that they could go on.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And run here.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So Philadelphia, a month ago, we were lining up the
life preservers for Nick Siriani. I mean it was man overboard,
and four games later, they've put certain boundaries around Jalen Hurts.
He's throwing like twenty times a game. They're young, young
defensive players now, Dean Carter, the Toledo corner, Mitchell, They're
(10:55):
all emerging as really really good players. Something happened is
is Sirianni get credit for it? Or was it the
team getting healthy, the coordinators getting developed? What happened to Philadelphia?
Because a month ago they couldn't handle.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Live minutes ago?
Speaker 6 (11:11):
It feels like we were talking about like Belichick, right right, Yeah.
I think it's it's interesting. I think I made this
point to when I was out there calling that the
NFC East is like the sec or the expectations are
ridiculous and coaches are always in the hot seat, you know,
and that exists in Philly, no question.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean, this is a.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Guy who inherited what was it, a four to twelve
and one team, right, and in twenty twenty one went
to the playoffs. His first year, went to the Super Bowl,
his second year, lost both of his coordinators. Going into
his third year, backslid a little bit, but still made
the playoffs in his third year. So that's playoffs three
straight years and goes into year four and his seat
is scorching hot. Yeah, I mean it's crazy if you
(11:51):
really kind of like look at it. And so I'm
not sure in that environment that they live in that
there was enough respect given to the amount of change
there was in that building. Okay, you have a completely
new offense coming in with Kellen Moore, you have a
completely new defense coming in with Vic Fangio, and you've
lost a serious chunk of your leadership infrastructure with the
(12:13):
retirements of Jason Kelcey on offense and Fletcher Cox on defense.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That's a lot to replace.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
And I think if you look at it, like if
we're just taking a sober look at it. Take the
scheme part out of it. This is still a really
talented team, right, This is still a team that's got
a lot of good players on it. Aj Brown, DeVante Smith,
you know, Dallas Goddard, they bring in Saquon Barkley. The
lines of scrimmage are still really good. And if you know,
a couple of things fall into place, like the young
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defensive backs start playing really well, then you can get
yourself to a place where you look at this and
say this might be the most talented team in the NFC.
So I think with Philly it's just a weird thing.
And maybe it's the NFC East in general or our
perspective on that team in particular. It is just a
little bit different. And I think maybe all that leadership,
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scheme infrastructure going out the door and all the change
happening led to some bumps early on that have been
smoothed out.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, they looked the part. They played poorly for half
that game and blew out Dallas. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback,
great senior as always, my man.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's I think right now, the most impressive team
in terms of talent is Philadelphia Detroit. Not quite as
athletic defensively is second San Francisco. U Healthy's really I
don't know if there's a third. I really like the Eagles.
(13:47):
You know, it's funny we had this three year stretch
when the NFC was down and Mahomes Lamar, Herbert Josh
Allen had emerged in the AFC, and NFC's top was
way better than the NFC's top. Now what's interesting is
I think there's a bottom to the AFC, and I
mean there's the top still great. The second layer is
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like Pittsburgh and Houston, the Chargers. You start looking at
the NFC now like Washington's a real team. They're not
ready to hoist a trophy, but it's a real team.
Don't forget about Green Bay. They had to buy their
real team. Philadelphia Detroit I think have the two best
rosters in the NFL. There's an argument San Francisco is third,
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and they're all NFC teams. And what's interesting about that.
I said this going into this year I said, the
worrying part, the concerning part for the Cowboys was in
the last couple of years, green Bay was too young,
Detroit wasn't ready. San Francisco was obviously great, but Aaron left,
the conference went. You had this moment for Dallas last
(14:52):
couple of years where they were beating up on the
middle and the bottom of the NFC. The middle and
the bottom were pretty damn week And now the middle
of the NFC is Arizona. The middle of the NFC
is the rebuilt Ram defense. Like, the middle of the
NFC was really soft for a couple of years, and
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the Cowboys did word it well. In the regular season,
they were beating the Washingtons and the New York Giants
and the Carolinas. They were beating it up. Now the
Giants in Carolina aren't much. But the middle of the
NFC now Washington, I mean, Atlanta, Rams, Arizona, Minnesota. Dallas
(15:35):
isn't as good as those teams. Those are the middle
NFC teams. So you got you have to take advantage
of your opportunities. You know, It's like when Phil Mickelson.
If Tiger took a tournament off, go play the tournament.
Take advantage of it. If Nadal took a tournament off,
you know what I mean, Like, there's just opportunities here.
When you're in this tunnel. In pro sports, you get,
(15:57):
you get breaks. Giannis gets hurt in the playoff. Okay,
the Eastern Conference is easier, but uh, I mean, look
at this. I'm for our radio audience. I apologize the
NFC playoff picture. Some of these teams were awful years ago.
Look at the middle of the NFC now, San Francisco Rams, Washington, Minnesota.
That's kind of the middle. We know Philadelphia's talent, Detroit's
(16:21):
tandle that's the top of it. But man, there's a
thick middle now. You know, Dallas thought coming into the
season they would be middle up their bottom looking up
at both classes the very best, which is small in
the middle.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I just wonder, are you overreacting a little bit to
the results this week because I think Washington's an upper
echelon team in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You sink there, Okay, so if they are, well, no,
let's look at Washington. So they've lost to the Ravens,
They've lost to the Steelers, and they lost to the
healthy Buccaneers. The three best teams they've played, they've lost.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
Town for the first game was Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well and the Bucks were totally healthy with Baker.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
There's a good faced Todd Bowles out of the gate.
I don't read much into the Tampa result.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think Detroit and Philly looked a part. I think
Detroit and Philly those are elite rosters.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So Washington, you're right. They lost to Baltimore thirty to
twenty three.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
And they lost to Pittsburgh twenty eight twenty seven. Again,
they probably should have won yesterday. I what listen, I
know they had their.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Most they didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
They didn't do certainly, there was some struggles in the
first half. Step up in class against Tomlin who owns.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Me, and they got they got. Let's be honest about Washington.
We love the story. They got the fake punt gift
and a fumble at the one yard that could have
been Pittsburgh taken a knee with four minutes left. They
could have easily killed the clock on that s.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Your takeaway from that game is Pittsburgh's definitely a superior
team to Washington.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Absolutely on the road gave him a gift special teams,
a fumble at.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
The one.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Goal.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Look at the stats they averaged like double.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Yard for Washington's best performance is clear, well.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's funny, it's flay. They didn't play well against Baltimore Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
It was awful.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Bye.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I mean you started running back Brian Robinson, who's so good?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The three of teams they've faced, they're all in.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Three Cincinnati, aren't they good? Arizonae Cincinnati's worst, worst defense
in the league.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
They led the Raiders by double digits twice in the
second half and lost both games. Also Arizona, they went
to the desert and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Beat And I think Arizona is closer to the top
of the NFC than the middle.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
You would have Arizona ahead of Washington.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Oh, yes, absolutely, I'm just gonna remind you this score
was Washington forty two, Arizona fourteen.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Arizona's gotten their young guys, right. I think the top
of the NFC is Philadelphia, Detroit, Yes, and then I
think the middle is is Arizona, San Francisco, La Rams, Washington,
Green Bay, Green Bay. I think is Green Bay and
Arizona are really close to the top of the NFC.
(18:54):
But because of injuries to Jordan Love or a couple
of sputters early. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I'm just gonna remind everybody that the last three wins
for Arizona are twenty eight twenty seven over Miami in
two his return, Miami's a dumpster fire Chicago which chas
players quitting and the coach is about to get run.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
And the lowly Jets. They don't need to know what introduction.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Blowing out a couple of those dominating all. I'm gonna
say this, j mac Oways qualify stuff. It's the NFL. Yeah,
if you watched Arizona and the Jets play, Jets got players.
Don't tell me the Jets don't have talent. That game
was not competitive. It was a blowout blowout going to Miami.
When two was back, I saw Miami go to Buffalo
and have them beat. They went to Arizona, went to
(19:37):
Miami down ten, came roaring back on the road and won.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Arizona's had some weird comebacks, right.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
They had to come back against the Niners, which was
total luck, and then they had to come back against Miami.
I just don't know the lucky ending against the Church.
The word luck a lot, well, Chiefs are lucky a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Game show me right now. To be honestly, guys in
the back, show me the field goal atep by Denver
to win the game. Show me this you're calling that luck?
That is the special teams coach for the Chiefs saying, guys,
bring your heat. And we know athletes aren't motivated on
every play of the game. Look at the utter domination
(20:17):
by Kansas City. Seven guys got watched this. Holy crap,
seven guys got through.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
But here's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Pieves slap walk through the look of this thing. I've
never seen anything like that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So if I read a couple of quotes from the
Chiefs players, and I guess they ties on film from
Denver's blockers, and it's it's awful. But I guarantee you
if you look at how many kicks inside forty yards
were blocked in the last five years, it's got to
be like under four.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
I mean, it never happens.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All I am saying is, isn't it ironic how Kansas
City's always the best team in the league when it
matters on big plays. If not you use luck, luck
doesn't even exist.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I thought I saw Andy Reid walk into the locker
room and pull a horseshoe out of his pants and
just like we got lucky once again.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Here's the radio call in Kansas City on the not
luck but preparation scheme. Block Buck's waiting for the snare.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Placeman is down.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Let's just take us block.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's Bolet's block.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
They're gonna stay undefeated.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
The Kansas City chase blocked on thirty five yark field
goal attent.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, now hey, and you know what they're gonna beat
The Bills probably goes seventeen or oh in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Love it? I yeah, yeah. Luck is if Denver's kicker
on a dry field comes in and slips, twists an ankle,
shanks it left. That's luck. That ain't luck.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
MOOKI take Moody unlucky.
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Speaker 2 (22:41):
Turns, this is the Herdline news. Your guys.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Sam Darnold and the Vikings got their seventh win yesterday,
but it was pretty sloppy. Three interceptions, almost a fourth
that was negated by penalty. Kevin O'Connell's still confident in
his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're still confident Sam.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It'd be craziness not to be. In fact, I was
looking at it as a great opportunity to see growth.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And continue to move the team.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So because we're gonna we're gonna check back in.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
On this moment and use it the right way, and
then Sam's gonna be better off for it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I truly do believe that. Yeah, I thought he got
a little conservative with a play calling, playing not to
lose very uh protective. I didn't like it.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
The schedules just cupcake City for the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I keep trying to think, like, oh, they're gonna miss
the playoffs. But Colin Tennessee considerable favorites. Chicago flaming dumpster fire,
Arizona's a loss, Atlanta, I don't know what Atlanta is
all of a sudden, like they're they're touch and go,
and it's like Chicago. I think the Vikings probably still
get in the playoffs. But Donald's got to tighten it
(23:49):
up significantly.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Right, Yeah, I mean he you're getting the best of
Sam Donald, but he is Sam Donald, It's Carson Wentz.
There's a lot of talent. It's in this disputable. He's racked.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I don't think he's Baker.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Maybe Baker isn't as strong or athletic as Sam. Sam
can make plays that Baker can't. Baker throws a better ball,
a more accurate football.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Next up, Drake May outdual Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
May didn't have a big day statistically through for a
buck eighty four in a touchdown, but his leadership is
standing out.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
To Gerardmeo, Drake has addressed the offense numerous times. I
think this is it goes back to now he's starting
to really take control of the offense and the team.
I mean, when you go out there and you perform
at a high level. That's the first step. The next
step is to bring others with you, and I think
he's on his way to doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, I think you have to feel pretty good as
a Patriot fan. This is the worst roster that Drake
will ever have. And I don't know if the coach
is right, but when you watch Drake May, he is
now looking like his comp which was an unrefined, unpolished
Justin Herbert. Big move well, nice arm, had bad feet,
his mechanics and his feet were all messed up in college.
(25:05):
But if I was a Patriot fan, I'd watched this
and thank god. If we get him a top tight
end and we upgrade the offensive line, there's something definitely there.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I like him a little more than you I think Herbert.
If he turns into anything close to Justin Herbert, that's
a massive win. Final story is quickly Dolphins DRAMs tonight.
There's still no word on Tyreek Hill, who's dealing with
a wrist injury. McDaniel said he's doing everything he can
to play tonight, but the line is going toward the
Rams there and now two and a half point favorites.
This was like pick a minus one all week that
(25:35):
Tyreek Hill numbers in four games at SOFI are unbelievable
on that turf indoor.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
See, I mean, he just cooks.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
If he plays, it's gonna be a great game. If
he doesn't, I would definitely I like the Rams here.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, the Rams are still not healthy on the interior
of their all line. They're playing a rookie center, they
don't want to. They're playing pretty marginal left guard, so
it's still not a great line. Wilkins planned the d
tackle for the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
They're not going to do inactives until little Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I mean that I think the Rams can have
a little problem running the ball tonight through the interior.
But this is the healthiest the Rams have been in
a while. They're there, and their defenses we've talked about
is young and young defenses. We've seen this with Kansas City.
If they do get hurt, they get healthier faster. Oh
look at this. Okay, So the Rams have officially activated
(26:26):
Steve a Vila and Jonah Jackson for to night's game
with the Dolphins. They're gonna eat. I'll love. I officially
love the Rams total there.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They're finally the first time all year the Rams are
officially the Rams tonight. So Pookah's in Cooper Cup.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Now this no.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Excuse it, this is the beat. Now. They don't have
Tyler higgsby the tight end, but they went and got Seattle. No, no, no, no,
this is big news. So Steva Vila, Jonah Jackson healthy,
the old line is finally one hundred percent healthy.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Dolphins defenses largely crap boy AFC East.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Outside of the Bills, you've got the Jets stink Pulpins
are a tire fire. Patriots are three wins.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Gosh, that Jets thing didn't work out for it.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Can we just make it an agreement that we're not
gonna talk Jets anymore for like.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Oh, you believe me, I'm done, Like yesterday was like,
I'm done. I think the only question is does Aaron retire?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
That's what I asked, hassl Well.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I asked Woody Johnson, Aaron, sorry, we're cutting you, or
you can retire.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Take the dead cap. In a great quarterback draft class,
you could do that in this class. I mean, who's available?
Sam Darnold's Rogers.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
You're not winning?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Do you want this toxic nonsense throughout the season next year.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't know if it's toxic. It's just not good.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Every time Rogers talks, we're talking about him. That's toxic
to me.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, he makes news, he's a newsmaker. All right, we'll
see you tomorrow. Alive in Los Angeles. It's the hurt.
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