November 12, 2024 • 30 mins
Colin talks to former Bears head coach Dave Wannstedt about Chicago firing their offensive coordinator as rookie QB Caleb Williams regresses and struggles once again
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thirty nine seasons, NFL college coaching Experience, former Bears head
coach and a Dolphins head coach. We thought he was
perfect today. Has a great relationship with Matt Eberflus, who
is on the ropes in Chicago. Our friend Dave Wanstatus
now joining us long. So let's start with this mass
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about you know, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, Caleb's
playing well, He's completing seventy four percent of his throws,
and then it just goes sideways. What happened.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
When they beat Jacksonville, went into the buy everybody was
giddy around time, and Tayleb was playing good. You're right, Colin,
but you know in that Jacksonville game, they were like
twenty nine runs, twenty nine passes, and that's what made
me excited. And then since then, you know, it's it's
been two to one pass and here's the problem. Okay,
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there's a lot of problems, but here's what happened. In
my opinion, Shane Waldron and I was all into Shane Walter.
Keep in mind, the Bears interviewed seven, yes, seven offensive
coordinator candidates, so Ryan Pooles was on every trip, so
it was him and Fluce, so they are both in
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on this, and they made the decision on Shane. So
I jumped on board. Okay, I'm gonna support you. Because
Shane was with Pete Carroll, defensive guy and he wants
to run the ball. Shane was with Bill Belichick, obviously
defensive guy wants to run the ball, so I this
guy is going to be balanced, and so I was
all excited about it. And then they cut the fullback
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in training camp and get rid of the full back
and the offensive line coach, who I think is a
heck of a coach. He's a protege of Chris Forster,
who's the line coach with the forty nine ers. So
I'm saying to myself, oh, I don't like the fields
of this. So as we get moving forward, now they
got four offensive linemen on you know inactive one gets
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hurt and they got the same game plan. Here's where
the mistake is. And I've been through this. When you've
got offensive linemen that either inexperience, hurt, or just aren't
as good, that's where your game plan has to start.
And the Bears have done it backwards in my opinion.
In other words, you got to sit down and say, Okay,
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what can the guys do that I have calling and
what can they have some success with? Because if they
can't be successful, nothing else matters. Right, Okay, now this
is what we can do with them. Let's add the runs,
let's add the passes, and now let's go win a
football game. And I gotta tell you a quick stort.
When I was at the Dolphins two thousand and one,
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I believe it was Tennessee had never lost down there
at that stadium, their new stadium, And it was McNair
and Eddie George and the freak on defense Curse and
the whole group. Great team, And we went down there
to open up the season, all right, and Chang Daily
was my offensive coordinator and Tony Wise was a line coach.
They came in and said, coach, we can't block these guys.
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We can't throw the ball on third down. We can't
drop back. I was like, are you serious? The chance
says let me tell you something. Every time we get
in third done, it's gonna be quarterback draw, running back draw.
You're gonna see more screens this week. And you've ever
seen your life, coach, if we drop back, the quarterback
will have no chance. We can't win. Well, look at
the final score and look how it all ended up.
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We did not throw a drop that pass, play action
screens and run the ball, and unfortunately the Bears offensive
line that's where they're at. Yah, and they do it
backwards here.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, it's Have you lost any confidence in Caleb Williams
or do you still think he's the real deal?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Uh? You know what he understands what happens is press conference.
The first thing he said afterwards, he says, I made
mistakes today that cost us. You know, when he threw
the one to DJ Moore, he was supposed to hand
it off. Okay, made a bad read. But the one
that really bothered me because quarterbacks got to know when
you are in the red zone, this is this is
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football one. Oh what in my opinion, You know you
don't take you don't get a sack, you don't throw,
take a chance on interception, don't change a snapcot because
we got three points. Red zone alert, Okay football one
oh one. And he takes a sack when they were
in the red zone. And he said it though, that's
the point that I like, I made a major mistake.
We were in the red zone. I should have gotten
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rid of the ball. So he understands football intelligence wise
when he does make him a steak. Yeah, but right
now he you know, he's holding the ball a little
bit too long. There's no question about that. And remembering
his days at USC Okay, he was facing more drop
eight rush three than anybody in college football because he
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wanted to hold the ball and get the play. And
there were some underneath throws that were open to Cole
Commet the tight end to the running back DeAndre Swift,
and he didn't take it. Yeah, he forced that thing
and made a bad throw to DJ Moore or somebody.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yep, No, that was a knock on USC that he
wouldn't take the layups, he wouldn't take the gimmes. Yep, yep,
you know, you're you're absolutely right. That was the knock
on him, and and and and you're right and he
and he has shown a little bit of that now.
Russell Wilson, I mean, listen, I didn't buy Pittsburgh. Mike's
a great coach, but I thought the offense. I thought
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they were tone deaf to offense the last three or
four years. Couldn't get the run game, the O line,
the OC right. And Mike's a defensive guy. I gotta
be honest, did you do you think Russell Wilson still
had something in the tank?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
One look at his numbers from last year. Call and
I said this when they traded for him. I think
the guy had twenty six twenty seven touchdowns, Yeah, and
like eight interceptions, which is three to one. I think
he was three to one touchdowns interceptions. That's good football,
that's playoff football. So I thought he did for sure.
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And I think what's happened here in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You know when anytime you got a Super Bowl ring
and you go into the huddle and your team's behind her,
it's even, it's close, and and you know he's got
the outgoing, confident personality. Uh, and he comes into the huddle.
I think everybody believes that, Hey, we're going to get
it done. So I think it's as much his attitude
and give Arthur Smith a lot of credit, the offensive
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coordinator they hired that Mike hired her from Atlanta. He's
doing a heck of a job with that offense. Run
and passed.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah. I remember year one with the doll didn't you
go like eleven and five or something?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, eleven to five and then we won the division
and then beat won a playoff game, beat the Colts.
Yeah so, and then lost to lost out in Oakland.
At the time, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So you turned it around in one year. Harball. This
was the worst defense in the league. Now they're rated
number one. It's the same players.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Coach Jim Harbaugh for a quarterback head coach? He has
never gotten caught up. I mean we saw his teams
at Michigan, and you know, I do Big Ten Network
every week, and so I talked to Jim regular he
was when he was at Michigan coach. They didn't throw
a pass fourth quarter and a half the game against
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Penn State. Against Penn Stated, they just ran it. So
my point is that his style and his philosophy and
the fundamentals that Jim works on. I don't want to
use the word oh okay, but he believes in physical
running the ball and playing defense. And he's never gotten
caught up in all this wide open spread stuff and
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he does what he believes in and he gets the results.
The guy is Guy's fantastic. They don't commit many mistakes,
they don't turn the ball over much, and they're just
going to get better and better there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So I said, it happens about once a year. It
happened to the Rams last year where they got hot.
They got healthy and hot middle of the season one
seven of eight, almost beat the Lions. We saw the
Bengals do it in twenty twenty two. We saw Brady
do it. Week thirteen by Bucks were seven and five.
Bye week came out. Schedule was easy. A couple Falcon
games got rolling. I watched the Dolphins last night and
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I'm like, boy, they were good on third down two?
Is healthy? Do you buy him? Or is it a
lot of sizzle for you? Do you buy Miami?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No? I mean they turned. I got to see more.
I gotta see more. And the Rams are a good team.
I mean when the Rams played the Bears here. It
was earlier in the year, and all their star receivers
were I didn't even know who the receivers were from
the Rams at the time. But they played the Bears,
and I tell you, Stafford and those guys went up
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and down the field on the Bears. The Bears won,
but it was a last minute win. Yeah, so I'll
give the Dolphins defense credit for that. You said third Dome,
third down was really the only statistic that they played better.
In my opinion that when you look at the big
picture than the Rams, I got to see more callin.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, they're a little sizzily. You don't always feel like
he gets said you get a little sizzily to me.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, hey, yeah they are. And you know, we got
to see him against a tough fiscal opponent when they
played Buffalo. The things will get separated in my opinion,
in a hurry, all.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Right, I want to go back to the Bears, so
you know, I prefer twenty twenty four. An offensive coach.
They had Naggie. I thought he was pretty good. They
ran him out of town. He got Trabisky to the
playoffs twice. They didn't like him. He was too soft. Whatever.
I thought he was pretty good, not great, pretty good.
And now they've got a defensive guy. Would you go
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get Vrabel Belichick, a big name? Would you go young
offensive guy? Would you go college guy? If they make
a change, is there a direction you think they should go?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No? And I'm gonna say that because obviously I'm a
defensive guy. And but you know the expectations of the
Bears football team coming into this season. There was really
two boxes that needed to be checked. It was number one,
obviously with this offense, we got to score enough points
to win the game. We didn't get that done. And
then the development of Caleb Williams. So if you get
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you know whoever, in my opinion offense defense, I hope
it's Fluse, you know. And here's what has to happen
with Flus this to get this thing turned. In my opinion,
he needs to let Eric Washington take over the defensive
play call. Just just bear with me for a second.
And he needs to be in every darn the offensive
meeting this week. Got a new play card and he
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needs to go in there, Colin, and he needs to
say this is what I see my offense. Our jobs
on the line. I'm the head coach. I want these
many play actions, these many runs, and this is this
is what I want, so figure out what the best
plays are inside of this box. And he needs to
be in there. I think it's it would give the
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players a shot in the arm. I think it would
give the coaches a shot in the arm. And let
Eric wall and as a head coach, I mean, I
still can't get over. I tell you know, when Shane
Walder and we handed the ball to an offensive lineman
on the one yard line, how do you know how
does Matt let that go on to me? That was
grounds right there to make a change. It would have
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never happened with me or Jimmy or the guys that
I know is, hey, they've been time out? You're serious? Yeah,
tell me tell me did I hear that play role?
You know? And before that we run we run an
option on a five yard line, you know, option football.
You don't pitch the ball when you get down there
inside the ten. The defense is too darn close to here.
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Here's going to be a turnover. So I mean, you know,
there was some offensive decisions that I thought were terrible,
But you know, Fluse now is the head coach He
needs to be tuned into both, and he needs to
oversee both and not call plays. Hey, I don't know
what the best play is calling, but I want to
run it here or I want to throw it deeper.
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You're the coordinator, you call the deep play we want,
but I want to throw it deep. That has to happen.
That he cannot just turn this thing over to a
new coordinator and just go back to coaching defense. He
won't survive. He's got to be involved in everything from
this day out.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Dave wantstat he never ages. I swear you go out
with him, the stories. You never age. You're the exact
you look the exact same as when I met you
nine years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It must be jan or Good Cocktails.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Cigars, cigars, d Bratshaw Bourbon cigars right here.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's all the good stuff. Maybe, yeah, Dave wants that.
One of my favorite people, all right, coach good stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's a good point, though, what he just made you
gotta be on the headset. You can't. I mean, was
that funny when he's like, you're handing the ball off
to the center. Did I see that right?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I listened?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I think Mike Tomlin mostly trusts his offense. But when
Tomlin went out and said, justin Fields, I know we're winning,
I'm going Russell. That's controlling your team. That's a big
boy move and not every coach in the league could
get away with it. Tomlin's got trophies. Tomlin's a you know,
he's a big presence. Nobody's gonna mess with Mike. But
that's one of the coaching moves of the year. It's
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so easy to look at the Steelers now and go, well,
anybody could have done that. That's not true. You get
a winning record, the players like Fields, he's more athletic
than Russ. You're winning. You know, the Browns look bad,
the Bengals are choppy. People would have said, hey, Jess,
I remember when it happened. Ninety percent of the people
were like, you can't go to Russ, and Mike's like, now,
I'm gonna go with Russ. That is the coaching move
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of the year so far in terms of personnel. Just
say no, I'm gonna Nobody liked that move. Big Ben
didn't liked that move, Steeler fans didn't like it. Tomlin
liked it. That's why I would have hardball one Tomlin two,
Dan Quinn three my NFL Coach of the Year so far.
Big boy Move, Big Time Move one more heard.
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Speaker 3 (15:02):
All right.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We are contractually obligated to talk Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Colin and this Micah Parsons, I don't know war of words.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Well, so Sunday, after the loss of the Eagles, Parsons
said he feels worse for the Cowboys veterans like Zach
Martin who may be in their final year in Dallas
or retiring soon, rather than the coaches.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
He said, oh coaching aside Mike McCarthy, that is can
leave and go wherever he wants.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Parsons then had to go clarify his comments on his podcast.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I never once through or even intended to throw Mike
McCarthy under the bus, like I say, he's one of
the most winningest coach.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He is a Super Bowl chef.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I never once brung up his path.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
I'm talking and the question that was asked, was about
here in the da'sk cowboys. Did I see Mike McCarthy
in our future? And I said, that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So number ones.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
I ever intended or wanted to reflect on Mike McCarthy's career,
because I always know it was a good one. I've
always had a great relationship with Mike McCarthy, and I
never even put that in question.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I backed Micah Parsons here, that's the Internet. I didn't
think he took a shot at him.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Okay, well I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
So. McCarthy says he and Parsons had a conversation and
handled things as men should handle it.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Behind closed doors. It's not in the open. Real men
pull you aside and talk to you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They don't, you know, maybe throw you under the bus
in front of the media regardless, like and then Jerry
Jones chimed in, because you know it's a it's a
soap opera. Jerry Jones defended Micah Parsons his franchise Edge Rusher.
He did it was not meant as a critique. So
another brushfire in Dallas, whether it's Curtains, I'm dead serious
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on this.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The sober lining year is this team's gonna win one,
maybe two more games. They're gonna have a top six pick.
By the way, last year Chargers won five, got Harbaugh,
Jesse Minter, a couple of nice offensive pieces boom in
the Chiefs Division.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Who's coaching this team next?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
To forget this draft?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Mike Rabel?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What's wrong with Mike Brabel? I think Mike rag will
be a great choice, coming.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
From the guy who bags on all the teams who
go defensive coach with.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Rabel, I'm not saying all defensive coaches. Hey, Tomlin, dan
Quinn two of the three best jobs this year. I
think Demico Ryans is excellent. I think Sean mcdermot's more
than capable. Mcdermot's a good coach. Game well whatever, there's
a lot of components.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Put your thesis of defensive coaches tend to coach a
little scared their conservative.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Conservative What do you want?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Don't so you want Rabel and Dallas's gonna Mike Radel
will have an identity.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
He doesn't need to dominate personnel. He's a grown up,
can handle the circus. He's right like, listen, you and
I have been up for jobs before. Okay, when you
look at the Dallas Cowboys. Their cow their quarterback is
paid highest.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
In the NFL. Offensive lines regressing no running backs one.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Weapon the lines in a rebuild. It's not regressing it
in a rebuild.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Well, Dak Martin sounds like.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
He might be on his way out right, Like they've
gotta need to find a new tackle.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
But you want to you want to trade back in
the draft? Who do you want to get the running
back from? Boise stand The only.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Thing I worry about if you're Mike Rabel, Mike had Tannehill,
Mike Head. You know, Mike is one of these coaches
that has yet to have a great quarterback. And I
do think if you've ever been a coach in the
NFL and Mike's got fifty million bucks in the bank
or whatever he's got, is that you do look at
it and think like, I'm not taking another job until
I get the right quarterback. That's why Harbaugh's like, I'm waiting,
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I'm waiting, I'm waiting. Okay, Herbert's available, And for years
you and I were like Herbert's great. People push back
Harbon New like that guy's a stud.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
The weird part is we've discussed this ad Nazi the
best way to get ahead in the NFL is the
quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yep, Okay, everybody knows that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So Rabel would be going into a situation with Dak
where he's the highest paid. You don't have a lot
of wiggle room to make moves. And like, I don't
think this is a good job. I don't think Rabel
or Belichick is touching this job.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I just well, we said this yesterday, Jason. There is
no great job this year. No, that's that's the other problem.
Like now we thought Philadelphia was a month ago, but
Siriani's on her role that could open up phil I know, no,
look at their schedule. Can I talk you in a
Jacksonville or No, I'm not taking that job.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
So if you look at the draft order, they could
be drafting first overall for the third time in like
five years.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Like there's some major organizational this function.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, I think, Okay, like Doug Peterson, I don't
think it's working day ball. I like i'd keep Callahan's
too young to fire Stefanski. I love Antonio Pears is
what it is?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Say goodbye?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well no, not yet. I think Gerrod Mayo, I'm giving
him another year. They're getting better. You got to give
him credit. They're getting better. They're not going backwards. Saints
fire him, Jets move on, Panthers keep him, Dolphins keep him.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Wait wait, okay, all right, I think what's the best job.
What's the best Jets Jeff for Singh, what's a better job?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Jets have a much better roster? Okay, if Aaron leaves,
I think it's a great get Jet for Raiders. What's
a better roster? Jets? Jets for Jagg?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
What's a better job?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Jets?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Is all this with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I like the roster of the Jets a lot like
the I like Joe Douglas as a general manager. If
I have a good GM and a good roster, all
I got to do is get the quarterback right I'll
get I'll get rid of Aaron.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
In no time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'll call beacons. I'll get a moving company coming in
no time. Yeah, Woody Johnson, I'll make it miserable. He's old.
I'm the new coach. I'll have the leverage. I'll make
things uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
From one terrible NFCS team to another.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
The New York Giants they headed there by at two
and eight they lost to Carolina.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Speaking to reporters Monday, Brian Dable had the opportunity to
set the record straight and defend Daniel Jones as his
starting quarterback, but he decided not to do that.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Interesting, we're gonna get started on this process here of
you know, going back and looking at everything you normally
look at in a bye week.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You evaluate the players.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
You know, you have a good amount of games to watch,
situational review, tape calls, all those type of things. So
let's we'll do that like we normally do in a
bye week, and you know, try to improve in the
areas that you know we need to improve on.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
A little no committal there, I mean we listen, we
know Daniel Jones done.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
So you want to talk tank, just leave Daniel Jones
in as the starter.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
He ain't winning games, No, No, I think I don't
Drew Locke. I don't think he does anything just.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Because your team is bad. I think Dabell's a good coach.
I don't like the team.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
But what what's like the line where you're like, all right,
maybe Dabell wasn't the guy.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
What if they don't win another game?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He's an offensive coach. He was great with Alan, He's
made Daniel Jones a playoff quarterback once with that. Now,
I mean, I I don't know. Just my feeling is
I think he's a good coach.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think anybody would dispute that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But I'm not listen. The Giants and the Jets have
too much.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Turmoil that Mara family.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Tell me on the market. Who's better than Brian Dable? Offensively?
Belichick Brabel have more wins, but they're defensive coaches. I
want an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I get it, he's an offensive coach.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Can he instill a philosophy the way Jim Harbaugh can
the way Belichick can?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, Harball had justin Herbert Harba has.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
In his DNA. You know what he's gonna do.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Everybody knew they're gonna draft the left tackle alt right,
They're gonna go smack.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I don't think Brian Dable is Jim Harbaugh, but I
think he's a capable winning coach.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Is he Mike Rabel? Is he Bill?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yet? Not yet?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
It could just be that Brian Dabele is a great
play caller and understands quarterbacks and he's not a head.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'll just say it again he got Daniel Doanes to
the playoffs. I'm just saying it.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
That's something, Okay, smile story Indianapolis Colts, God, why are
we talking about all these bad teams? They lost another
one on Sunday, snapping a three game winning streak, and
after the game, here we go quarterback Kennymore, who's really good.
He had some strong comments about the team's performance.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't think everybody is working as hard as possible.
And obviously, Sean, I'm not a type of sugarcoat it. Honestly,
if I don't, don't. I don't think the urgency is there.
I don't think the details are there, So I don't
think the effort is there. And uh, I don't see
if they're correlating from meetings to pragnice to the games.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Wow, that's spicy.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
If this was any real market, uh you know, not Indianapolis,
we would be this would be a big story.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He just said people aren't locked in in meetings like that. Bro,
I mean, you've got an impulsive owner. We like the coach,
he's a young head coach, first job. The culture feels loose.
What do they do well? I like the roster, don't
love it. But I like it. It's a good roster,
but I think it's I think Jim Ersay makes things
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more difficult than he has to. I like Chris Ballard.
I think they have a good roster. What it shows
you in this league you can do a lot right.
If you can't get quarterback right, none of it matters. Okay,
that literally is I mean that that's the league.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So I went on a rant about this.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
So you know, my kids played volleyball right, and volleyball
gets it's tough to return these jump serves. So some
kids struggle with it, and teams will target players and.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Coaches they got two options.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You can let the player in their struggle miss six
of them in a row, or you can pull them
after two and get someone else in there. And I
see a lot of parallels with that in the Anthony
Richardson thing, Like they pulled Richardson. I know he's struggling,
he's been the ten career starts. I would have let
him stay in there and sink or swimt figure it out,
just like the kids have to do in volleyball. And
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pulling Richardson really has screwed everything up. Because Flaka was
supposed to give them a better chance to win. Colin
is he No, he's been.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
A turnover machine in two Rice.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
That's right, they're getting worse. Is put Richardson out there?
I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I just think this whole league Jim Harbaugh could have
had eight jobs over the last You're right, like like
Jim Harball a couple of years ago, send out the
bat signal? What is the job that Jim Harbaugh said?
I want the one with a quarterback? Matt the best
job in the last seven years or whatever it was,
Matt Lafleur in Green Bay. Mike McCarthy was DAK was
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a way better than average job. If the quarterback's not playing,
if he's he's if he's below a B plus, don't
take the job.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
It's fair.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
But listen, Anthony Richardson's off to a rough start. Everybody
knows that he's really struggling.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
We saw Baker Mayfield struggle. How s have you announced it?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Ask yourself this time, play man, Ask yourself this. Did
the Colts overreact to the Anthony Richardson, I'm gonna sit
out and play I'm tide. They probably a little bit.
You don't want to see that, But did the Colt
overreact to a kid saying I'm exhausted, I need to
sit out of play. That's up for discussion because he's
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the only dynamic quarterback on the roster. It's not flying.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
When you remember last year.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
The quarterback got hurt and I think Gardner Minshew got
them within a play of the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Remember it was your birthday party.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
We were watching the game with chie Kelly and these
guys and it was like, wow, well maybe we could
do the same with Joe Flacco this year because he
did it with the Browns last year and it's not working.
And Stainstiken confirms Flacco will be the starter against the
Jets this week. I mean, nobody's watching that game, Colt.
The Jets like, what's the app? I don't I'm not
watching that as a Jets fan.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
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thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nick Wright earlier interesting thoughts on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
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Speaker 1 (26:44):
I Ask Nick Wright came on earlier today he's on
First Things First after our show, and I said, you
got Boomerasias and saying he sucks the energy out of
the building, which I think is true. I said, that's
what the complaints were in Green Bay, as with airon,
everybody's walking on eggshells. And I think Aaron likes that.
He likes the kind of the messiah thing, like I'm
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the guy you know in New York. Same thing when
you're whiff on a quarterback Zach Wilson, you hand the
franchise to a veteran guy. There's guys I would trust
doing that. Aaron's difficult. He can be moody, prickly, he
can get dark fast sometimes off season he's distracted, he's busy.
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I don't you know, it is what it is. We're
all seeing it. But when boomerisiazing came out and said,
like everybody, he's just sucking the air out of the building,
I think he was doing that. At the end in
Green Bay, Jordan Love showed up. Team got better offensively,
they won more games. It was a better vibe, it
was more you know, it was more unity. And I
asked Aaron Rodgers earlier, I said, you know. Bottom line is,
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would you even bring Aaron back? After this season?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
He will be a forty one year old quarterback that
is coming off the three worst seasons of his career.
Call it two if we're not going to count the
year he lost the Achilles fine, the year in Green
Bay was terrible, a lost season due to injury, this disaster.
He is the worst leader in all of sports. He
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is only best I can tell, somewhat interested in football,
and only if he can play with his old friends
and family is there would be no reason whatsoever to
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that's my point is that, you know, I don't
want to beat the dead horse, but I think I
just start over Jets. I mean, look how bad New
York football is? How many years in a row can
New York football be this bad? There's no such thing
as a savior quarterback at forty years old. Aaron wasn't.
Stafford wasn't. It just doesn't exist. So let's get out
of that. Russell Wilson wasn't. Russell Wilson works because he's
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part of a team. Stafford worked. He was a better
part of a team than Golf was. Tom Brady worked,
had a loaded roster, Tampa had all sorts of I
mean they won like seven games the year before were
Jamis Winston who had thirty turnovers, So that I think
we have to get out of the savior thing for
all these teams. And I also think I'm in the
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minority here. I think shaduer Sanders is going to be
a star in the NFL. Quarterback cam Ward, I'm fifty
to fifty on. I don't like anybody else except Riley
Leonard at Notre Dame. Third or fourth round. Guy is
a huge athlete. Little Josh Allen where unbelievable basketball talent,
talent sixty four percent completion percentage. They don't throw much,
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they don't do much accuracy, Okay, hit and miss. Nobody
in the world believes me. I'm just saying I've seen
him play three times this year fourth round. Every time
I say that jayback is like not interested. And I
haven't seen any NFL comps or anything on Riley Leonard.
I don't know what to do with it. It just
I know this. Every time they tell me it's a
bad quarterback class, somebody emerges in the fourth round.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I'm telling you the guy to an eye on his
Jalen Milroe, but he's gonna go before the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I don't personally love him.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I don't like what I've seen, but apparently some of
the scouts and some of the intangibles that he has,
people are starting saying, you know, if I squint really hard,
maybe I can see the makings of a Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He feels very heavier, he feels very mid to late
second round.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
I would not be shocked if he went in the first.
That's how desperate teams are. He's like six two two
twenty five live arm. He could scoot, as they like
to say. I think he's fine, but I don't want
him with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, there's always one that emerges. I mean, look how
many guy Dak Prescott fourth round, Russell Wilson third round,
Brady's sixth round. There's undrafted guys. Romo Warner brought pretty
seven dimonds in the Rock Kirk Cousins fourth round. There's
somebody out there. There's somebody in this year's draft third
round that's going to leave a mark. It's the Herd
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Thirty nine seasons, NFL college coaching Experience, former Bears head
coach and a Dolphins head coach. We thought he was
perfect today. Has a great relationship with Matt Eberflus, who
is on the ropes in Chicago. Our friend Dave Wanstatus
now joining us long. So let's start with this mass
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about you know, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, Caleb's
playing well, He's completing seventy four percent of his throws,
and then it just goes sideways. What happened.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
When they beat Jacksonville, went into the buy everybody was
giddy around time, and Tayleb was playing good. You're right, Colin,
but you know in that Jacksonville game, they were like
twenty nine runs, twenty nine passes, and that's what made
me excited. And then since then, you know, it's it's
been two to one pass and here's the problem. Okay,
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there's a lot of problems, but here's what happened. In
my opinion, Shane Waldron and I was all into Shane Walter.
Keep in mind, the Bears interviewed seven, yes, seven offensive
coordinator candidates, so Ryan Pooles was on every trip, so
it was him and Fluce, so they are both in
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on this, and they made the decision on Shane. So
I jumped on board. Okay, I'm gonna support you. Because
Shane was with Pete Carroll, defensive guy and he wants
to run the ball. Shane was with Bill Belichick, obviously
defensive guy wants to run the ball, so I this
guy is going to be balanced, and so I was
all excited about it. And then they cut the fullback
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in training camp and get rid of the full back
and the offensive line coach, who I think is a
heck of a coach. He's a protege of Chris Forster,
who's the line coach with the forty nine ers. So
I'm saying to myself, oh, I don't like the fields
of this. So as we get moving forward, now they
got four offensive linemen on you know inactive one gets
(02:28):
hurt and they got the same game plan. Here's where
the mistake is. And I've been through this. When you've
got offensive linemen that either inexperience, hurt, or just aren't
as good, that's where your game plan has to start.
And the Bears have done it backwards in my opinion.
In other words, you got to sit down and say, Okay,
(02:50):
what can the guys do that I have calling and
what can they have some success with? Because if they
can't be successful, nothing else matters. Right, Okay, now this
is what we can do with them. Let's add the runs,
let's add the passes, and now let's go win a
football game. And I gotta tell you a quick stort.
When I was at the Dolphins two thousand and one,
(03:10):
I believe it was Tennessee had never lost down there
at that stadium, their new stadium, And it was McNair
and Eddie George and the freak on defense Curse and
the whole group. Great team, And we went down there
to open up the season, all right, and Chang Daily
was my offensive coordinator and Tony Wise was a line coach.
They came in and said, coach, we can't block these guys.
(03:31):
We can't throw the ball on third down. We can't
drop back. I was like, are you serious? The chance
says let me tell you something. Every time we get
in third done, it's gonna be quarterback draw, running back draw.
You're gonna see more screens this week. And you've ever
seen your life, coach, if we drop back, the quarterback
will have no chance. We can't win. Well, look at
the final score and look how it all ended up.
(03:53):
We did not throw a drop that pass, play action
screens and run the ball, and unfortunately the Bears offensive
line that's where they're at. Yah, and they do it
backwards here.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, it's Have you lost any confidence in Caleb Williams
or do you still think he's the real deal?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Uh? You know what he understands what happens is press conference.
The first thing he said afterwards, he says, I made
mistakes today that cost us. You know, when he threw
the one to DJ Moore, he was supposed to hand
it off. Okay, made a bad read. But the one
that really bothered me because quarterbacks got to know when
you are in the red zone, this is this is
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football one. Oh what in my opinion, You know you
don't take you don't get a sack, you don't throw,
take a chance on interception, don't change a snapcot because
we got three points. Red zone alert, Okay football one
oh one. And he takes a sack when they were
in the red zone. And he said it though, that's
the point that I like, I made a major mistake.
We were in the red zone. I should have gotten
(04:54):
rid of the ball. So he understands football intelligence wise
when he does make him a steak. Yeah, but right
now he you know, he's holding the ball a little
bit too long. There's no question about that. And remembering
his days at USC Okay, he was facing more drop
eight rush three than anybody in college football because he
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wanted to hold the ball and get the play. And
there were some underneath throws that were open to Cole
Commet the tight end to the running back DeAndre Swift,
and he didn't take it. Yeah, he forced that thing
and made a bad throw to DJ Moore or somebody.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yep, No, that was a knock on USC that he
wouldn't take the layups, he wouldn't take the gimmes. Yep, yep,
you know, you're you're absolutely right. That was the knock
on him, and and and and you're right and he
and he has shown a little bit of that now.
Russell Wilson, I mean, listen, I didn't buy Pittsburgh. Mike's
a great coach, but I thought the offense. I thought
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they were tone deaf to offense the last three or
four years. Couldn't get the run game, the O line,
the OC right. And Mike's a defensive guy. I gotta
be honest, did you do you think Russell Wilson still
had something in the tank?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
One look at his numbers from last year. Call and
I said this when they traded for him. I think
the guy had twenty six twenty seven touchdowns, Yeah, and
like eight interceptions, which is three to one. I think
he was three to one touchdowns interceptions. That's good football,
that's playoff football. So I thought he did for sure.
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And I think what's happened here in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You know when anytime you got a Super Bowl ring
and you go into the huddle and your team's behind her,
it's even, it's close, and and you know he's got
the outgoing, confident personality. Uh, and he comes into the huddle.
I think everybody believes that, Hey, we're going to get
it done. So I think it's as much his attitude
and give Arthur Smith a lot of credit, the offensive
(06:48):
coordinator they hired that Mike hired her from Atlanta. He's
doing a heck of a job with that offense. Run
and passed.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah. I remember year one with the doll didn't you
go like eleven and five or something?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, eleven to five and then we won the division
and then beat won a playoff game, beat the Colts.
Yeah so, and then lost to lost out in Oakland.
At the time, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So you turned it around in one year. Harball. This
was the worst defense in the league. Now they're rated
number one. It's the same players.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Coach Jim Harbaugh for a quarterback head coach? He has
never gotten caught up. I mean we saw his teams
at Michigan, and you know, I do Big Ten Network
every week, and so I talked to Jim regular he
was when he was at Michigan coach. They didn't throw
a pass fourth quarter and a half the game against
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Penn State. Against Penn Stated, they just ran it. So
my point is that his style and his philosophy and
the fundamentals that Jim works on. I don't want to
use the word oh okay, but he believes in physical
running the ball and playing defense. And he's never gotten
caught up in all this wide open spread stuff and
(08:10):
he does what he believes in and he gets the results.
The guy is Guy's fantastic. They don't commit many mistakes,
they don't turn the ball over much, and they're just
going to get better and better there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So I said, it happens about once a year. It
happened to the Rams last year where they got hot.
They got healthy and hot middle of the season one
seven of eight, almost beat the Lions. We saw the
Bengals do it in twenty twenty two. We saw Brady
do it. Week thirteen by Bucks were seven and five.
Bye week came out. Schedule was easy. A couple Falcon
games got rolling. I watched the Dolphins last night and
(08:47):
I'm like, boy, they were good on third down two?
Is healthy? Do you buy him? Or is it a
lot of sizzle for you? Do you buy Miami?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No? I mean they turned. I got to see more.
I gotta see more. And the Rams are a good team.
I mean when the Rams played the Bears here. It
was earlier in the year, and all their star receivers
were I didn't even know who the receivers were from
the Rams at the time. But they played the Bears,
and I tell you, Stafford and those guys went up
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and down the field on the Bears. The Bears won,
but it was a last minute win. Yeah, so I'll
give the Dolphins defense credit for that. You said third Dome,
third down was really the only statistic that they played better.
In my opinion that when you look at the big
picture than the Rams, I got to see more callin.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, they're a little sizzily. You don't always feel like
he gets said you get a little sizzily to me.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, hey, yeah they are. And you know, we got
to see him against a tough fiscal opponent when they
played Buffalo. The things will get separated in my opinion,
in a hurry, all.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Right, I want to go back to the Bears, so
you know, I prefer twenty twenty four. An offensive coach.
They had Naggie. I thought he was pretty good. They
ran him out of town. He got Trabisky to the
playoffs twice. They didn't like him. He was too soft. Whatever.
I thought he was pretty good, not great, pretty good.
And now they've got a defensive guy. Would you go
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get Vrabel Belichick, a big name? Would you go young
offensive guy? Would you go college guy? If they make
a change, is there a direction you think they should go?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No? And I'm gonna say that because obviously I'm a
defensive guy. And but you know the expectations of the
Bears football team coming into this season. There was really
two boxes that needed to be checked. It was number one,
obviously with this offense, we got to score enough points
to win the game. We didn't get that done. And
then the development of Caleb Williams. So if you get
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you know whoever, in my opinion offense defense, I hope
it's Fluse, you know. And here's what has to happen
with Flus this to get this thing turned. In my opinion,
he needs to let Eric Washington take over the defensive
play call. Just just bear with me for a second.
And he needs to be in every darn the offensive
meeting this week. Got a new play card and he
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needs to go in there, Colin, and he needs to
say this is what I see my offense. Our jobs
on the line. I'm the head coach. I want these
many play actions, these many runs, and this is this
is what I want, so figure out what the best
plays are inside of this box. And he needs to
be in there. I think it's it would give the
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players a shot in the arm. I think it would
give the coaches a shot in the arm. And let
Eric wall and as a head coach, I mean, I
still can't get over. I tell you know, when Shane
Walder and we handed the ball to an offensive lineman
on the one yard line, how do you know how
does Matt let that go on to me? That was
grounds right there to make a change. It would have
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never happened with me or Jimmy or the guys that
I know is, hey, they've been time out? You're serious? Yeah,
tell me tell me did I hear that play role?
You know? And before that we run we run an
option on a five yard line, you know, option football.
You don't pitch the ball when you get down there
inside the ten. The defense is too darn close to here.
(12:19):
Here's going to be a turnover. So I mean, you know,
there was some offensive decisions that I thought were terrible,
But you know, Fluse now is the head coach He
needs to be tuned into both, and he needs to
oversee both and not call plays. Hey, I don't know
what the best play is calling, but I want to
run it here or I want to throw it deeper.
(12:42):
You're the coordinator, you call the deep play we want,
but I want to throw it deep. That has to happen.
That he cannot just turn this thing over to a
new coordinator and just go back to coaching defense. He
won't survive. He's got to be involved in everything from
this day out.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Dave wantstat he never ages. I swear you go out
with him, the stories. You never age. You're the exact
you look the exact same as when I met you
nine years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It must be jan or Good Cocktails.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Cigars, cigars, d Bratshaw Bourbon cigars right here.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's all the good stuff. Maybe, yeah, Dave wants that.
One of my favorite people, all right, coach good stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's a good point, though, what he just made you
gotta be on the headset. You can't. I mean, was
that funny when he's like, you're handing the ball off
to the center. Did I see that right?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I listened?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I think Mike Tomlin mostly trusts his offense. But when
Tomlin went out and said, justin Fields, I know we're winning,
I'm going Russell. That's controlling your team. That's a big
boy move and not every coach in the league could
get away with it. Tomlin's got trophies. Tomlin's a you know,
he's a big presence. Nobody's gonna mess with Mike. But
that's one of the coaching moves of the year. It's
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so easy to look at the Steelers now and go, well,
anybody could have done that. That's not true. You get
a winning record, the players like Fields, he's more athletic
than Russ. You're winning. You know, the Browns look bad,
the Bengals are choppy. People would have said, hey, Jess,
I remember when it happened. Ninety percent of the people
were like, you can't go to Russ, and Mike's like, now,
I'm gonna go with Russ. That is the coaching move
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of the year so far in terms of personnel. Just
say no, I'm gonna Nobody liked that move. Big Ben
didn't liked that move, Steeler fans didn't like it. Tomlin
liked it. That's why I would have hardball one Tomlin two,
Dan Quinn three my NFL Coach of the Year so far.
Big boy Move, Big Time Move one more heard.
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Speaker 3 (15:02):
All right.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
We are contractually obligated to talk Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Colin and this Micah Parsons, I don't know war of words.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Well, so Sunday, after the loss of the Eagles, Parsons
said he feels worse for the Cowboys veterans like Zach
Martin who may be in their final year in Dallas
or retiring soon, rather than the coaches.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
He said, oh coaching aside Mike McCarthy, that is can
leave and go wherever he wants.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Parsons then had to go clarify his comments on his podcast.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I never once through or even intended to throw Mike
McCarthy under the bus, like I say, he's one of
the most winningest coach.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
He is a Super Bowl chef.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I never once brung up his path.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
I'm talking and the question that was asked, was about
here in the da'sk cowboys. Did I see Mike McCarthy
in our future? And I said, that's above my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So number ones.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
I ever intended or wanted to reflect on Mike McCarthy's career,
because I always know it was a good one. I've
always had a great relationship with Mike McCarthy, and I
never even put that in question.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I backed Micah Parsons here, that's the Internet. I didn't
think he took a shot at him.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Okay, well I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
So. McCarthy says he and Parsons had a conversation and
handled things as men should handle it.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Behind closed doors. It's not in the open. Real men
pull you aside and talk to you.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
They don't, you know, maybe throw you under the bus
in front of the media regardless, like and then Jerry
Jones chimed in, because you know it's a it's a
soap opera. Jerry Jones defended Micah Parsons his franchise Edge Rusher.
He did it was not meant as a critique. So
another brushfire in Dallas, whether it's Curtains, I'm dead serious
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on this.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The sober lining year is this team's gonna win one,
maybe two more games. They're gonna have a top six pick.
By the way, last year Chargers won five, got Harbaugh,
Jesse Minter, a couple of nice offensive pieces boom in
the Chiefs Division.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Who's coaching this team next?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
To forget this draft?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Mike Rabel?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What's wrong with Mike Brabel? I think Mike rag will
be a great choice, coming.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
From the guy who bags on all the teams who
go defensive coach with.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Rabel, I'm not saying all defensive coaches. Hey, Tomlin, dan
Quinn two of the three best jobs this year. I
think Demico Ryans is excellent. I think Sean mcdermot's more
than capable. Mcdermot's a good coach. Game well whatever, there's
a lot of components.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Put your thesis of defensive coaches tend to coach a
little scared their conservative.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Conservative What do you want?
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Don't so you want Rabel and Dallas's gonna Mike Radel
will have an identity.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
He doesn't need to dominate personnel. He's a grown up,
can handle the circus. He's right like, listen, you and
I have been up for jobs before. Okay, when you
look at the Dallas Cowboys. Their cow their quarterback is
paid highest.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
In the NFL. Offensive lines regressing no running backs one.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Weapon the lines in a rebuild. It's not regressing it
in a rebuild.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Well, Dak Martin sounds like.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
He might be on his way out right, Like they've
gotta need to find a new tackle.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
But you want to you want to trade back in
the draft? Who do you want to get the running
back from? Boise stand The only.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Thing I worry about if you're Mike Rabel, Mike had Tannehill,
Mike Head. You know, Mike is one of these coaches
that has yet to have a great quarterback. And I
do think if you've ever been a coach in the
NFL and Mike's got fifty million bucks in the bank
or whatever he's got, is that you do look at
it and think like, I'm not taking another job until
I get the right quarterback. That's why Harbaugh's like, I'm waiting,
(18:31):
I'm waiting, I'm waiting. Okay, Herbert's available, And for years
you and I were like Herbert's great. People push back
Harbon New like that guy's a stud.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
The weird part is we've discussed this ad Nazi the
best way to get ahead in the NFL is the
quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yep, Okay, everybody knows that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So Rabel would be going into a situation with Dak
where he's the highest paid. You don't have a lot
of wiggle room to make moves. And like, I don't
think this is a good job. I don't think Rabel
or Belichick is touching this job.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I just well, we said this yesterday, Jason. There is
no great job this year. No, that's that's the other problem.
Like now we thought Philadelphia was a month ago, but
Siriani's on her role that could open up phil I know, no,
look at their schedule. Can I talk you in a
Jacksonville or No, I'm not taking that job.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
So if you look at the draft order, they could
be drafting first overall for the third time in like
five years.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Like there's some major organizational this function.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, I think, Okay, like Doug Peterson, I don't
think it's working day ball. I like i'd keep Callahan's
too young to fire Stefanski. I love Antonio Pears is
what it is?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Say goodbye?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well no, not yet. I think Gerrod Mayo, I'm giving
him another year. They're getting better. You got to give
him credit. They're getting better. They're not going backwards. Saints
fire him, Jets move on, Panthers keep him, Dolphins keep him.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Wait wait, okay, all right, I think what's the best job.
What's the best Jets Jeff for Singh, what's a better job?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Jets have a much better roster? Okay, if Aaron leaves,
I think it's a great get Jet for Raiders. What's
a better roster? Jets? Jets for Jagg?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
What's a better job?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Jets?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Is all this with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I like the roster of the Jets a lot like
the I like Joe Douglas as a general manager. If
I have a good GM and a good roster, all
I got to do is get the quarterback right I'll
get I'll get rid of Aaron.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
In no time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'll call beacons. I'll get a moving company coming in
no time. Yeah, Woody Johnson, I'll make it miserable. He's old.
I'm the new coach. I'll have the leverage. I'll make
things uncomfortable.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
From one terrible NFCS team to another.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
The New York Giants they headed there by at two
and eight they lost to Carolina.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Speaking to reporters Monday, Brian Dable had the opportunity to
set the record straight and defend Daniel Jones as his
starting quarterback, but he decided not to do that.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Interesting, we're gonna get started on this process here of
you know, going back and looking at everything you normally
look at in a bye week.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You evaluate the players.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
You know, you have a good amount of games to watch,
situational review, tape calls, all those type of things. So
let's we'll do that like we normally do in a
bye week, and you know, try to improve in the
areas that you know we need to improve on.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
A little no committal there, I mean we listen, we
know Daniel Jones done.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
So you want to talk tank, just leave Daniel Jones
in as the starter.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
He ain't winning games, No, No, I think I don't
Drew Locke. I don't think he does anything just.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Because your team is bad. I think Dabell's a good coach.
I don't like the team.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
But what what's like the line where you're like, all right,
maybe Dabell wasn't the guy.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
What if they don't win another game?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He's an offensive coach. He was great with Alan, He's
made Daniel Jones a playoff quarterback once with that. Now,
I mean, I I don't know. Just my feeling is
I think he's a good coach.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I don't think anybody would dispute that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But I'm not listen. The Giants and the Jets have
too much.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Turmoil that Mara family.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Tell me on the market. Who's better than Brian Dable? Offensively?
Belichick Brabel have more wins, but they're defensive coaches. I
want an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I get it, he's an offensive coach.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Can he instill a philosophy the way Jim Harbaugh can
the way Belichick can?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, Harball had justin Herbert Harba has.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
In his DNA. You know what he's gonna do.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
Everybody knew they're gonna draft the left tackle alt right,
They're gonna go smack.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I don't think Brian Dable is Jim Harbaugh, but I
think he's a capable winning coach.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Is he Mike Rabel? Is he Bill?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yet? Not yet?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
It could just be that Brian Dabele is a great
play caller and understands quarterbacks and he's not a head.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'll just say it again he got Daniel Doanes to
the playoffs. I'm just saying it.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
That's something, Okay, smile story Indianapolis Colts, God, why are
we talking about all these bad teams? They lost another
one on Sunday, snapping a three game winning streak, and
after the game, here we go quarterback Kennymore, who's really good.
He had some strong comments about the team's performance.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't think everybody is working as hard as possible.
And obviously, Sean, I'm not a type of sugarcoat it. Honestly,
if I don't, don't. I don't think the urgency is there.
I don't think the details are there, So I don't
think the effort is there. And uh, I don't see
if they're correlating from meetings to pragnice to the games.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Wow, that's spicy.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
If this was any real market, uh you know, not Indianapolis,
we would be this would be a big story.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He just said people aren't locked in in meetings like that. Bro,
I mean, you've got an impulsive owner. We like the coach,
he's a young head coach, first job. The culture feels loose.
What do they do well? I like the roster, don't
love it. But I like it. It's a good roster,
but I think it's I think Jim Ersay makes things
(23:56):
more difficult than he has to. I like Chris Ballard.
I think they have a good roster. What it shows
you in this league you can do a lot right.
If you can't get quarterback right, none of it matters. Okay,
that literally is I mean that that's the league.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So I went on a rant about this.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
So you know, my kids played volleyball right, and volleyball
gets it's tough to return these jump serves. So some
kids struggle with it, and teams will target players and.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Coaches they got two options.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You can let the player in their struggle miss six
of them in a row, or you can pull them
after two and get someone else in there. And I
see a lot of parallels with that in the Anthony
Richardson thing, Like they pulled Richardson. I know he's struggling,
he's been the ten career starts. I would have let
him stay in there and sink or swimt figure it out,
just like the kids have to do in volleyball. And
(24:43):
pulling Richardson really has screwed everything up. Because Flaka was
supposed to give them a better chance to win. Colin
is he No, he's been.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
A turnover machine in two Rice.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
That's right, they're getting worse. Is put Richardson out there?
I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I just think this whole league Jim Harbaugh could have
had eight jobs over the last You're right, like like
Jim Harball a couple of years ago, send out the
bat signal? What is the job that Jim Harbaugh said?
I want the one with a quarterback? Matt the best
job in the last seven years or whatever it was,
Matt Lafleur in Green Bay. Mike McCarthy was DAK was
(25:18):
a way better than average job. If the quarterback's not playing,
if he's he's if he's below a B plus, don't
take the job.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
It's fair.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
But listen, Anthony Richardson's off to a rough start. Everybody
knows that he's really struggling.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
We saw Baker Mayfield struggle. How s have you announced it?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Ask yourself this time, play man, Ask yourself this. Did
the Colts overreact to the Anthony Richardson, I'm gonna sit
out and play I'm tide. They probably a little bit.
You don't want to see that, But did the Colt
overreact to a kid saying I'm exhausted, I need to
sit out of play. That's up for discussion because he's
(25:56):
the only dynamic quarterback on the roster. It's not flying.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
When you remember last year.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
The quarterback got hurt and I think Gardner Minshew got
them within a play of the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Remember it was your birthday party.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
We were watching the game with chie Kelly and these
guys and it was like, wow, well maybe we could
do the same with Joe Flacco this year because he
did it with the Browns last year and it's not working.
And Stainstiken confirms Flacco will be the starter against the
Jets this week. I mean, nobody's watching that game, Colt.
The Jets like, what's the app? I don't I'm not
watching that as a Jets fan.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
J McK of the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nick Wright earlier interesting thoughts on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
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Speaker 1 (26:44):
I Ask Nick Wright came on earlier today he's on
First Things First after our show, and I said, you
got Boomerasias and saying he sucks the energy out of
the building, which I think is true. I said, that's
what the complaints were in Green Bay, as with airon,
everybody's walking on eggshells. And I think Aaron likes that.
He likes the kind of the messiah thing, like I'm
(27:05):
the guy you know in New York. Same thing when
you're whiff on a quarterback Zach Wilson, you hand the
franchise to a veteran guy. There's guys I would trust
doing that. Aaron's difficult. He can be moody, prickly, he
can get dark fast sometimes off season he's distracted, he's busy.
(27:25):
I don't you know, it is what it is. We're
all seeing it. But when boomerisiazing came out and said,
like everybody, he's just sucking the air out of the building,
I think he was doing that. At the end in
Green Bay, Jordan Love showed up. Team got better offensively,
they won more games. It was a better vibe, it
was more you know, it was more unity. And I
asked Aaron Rodgers earlier, I said, you know. Bottom line is,
(27:50):
would you even bring Aaron back? After this season?
Speaker 9 (27:55):
He will be a forty one year old quarterback that
is coming off the three worst seasons of his career.
Call it two if we're not going to count the
year he lost the Achilles fine, the year in Green
Bay was terrible, a lost season due to injury, this disaster.
He is the worst leader in all of sports. He
(28:16):
is only best I can tell, somewhat interested in football,
and only if he can play with his old friends
and family is there would be no reason whatsoever to
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that's my point is that, you know, I don't
want to beat the dead horse, but I think I
just start over Jets. I mean, look how bad New
York football is? How many years in a row can
New York football be this bad? There's no such thing
as a savior quarterback at forty years old. Aaron wasn't.
Stafford wasn't. It just doesn't exist. So let's get out
of that. Russell Wilson wasn't. Russell Wilson works because he's
(28:53):
part of a team. Stafford worked. He was a better
part of a team than Golf was. Tom Brady worked,
had a loaded roster, Tampa had all sorts of I
mean they won like seven games the year before were
Jamis Winston who had thirty turnovers, So that I think
we have to get out of the savior thing for
all these teams. And I also think I'm in the
(29:13):
minority here. I think shaduer Sanders is going to be
a star in the NFL. Quarterback cam Ward, I'm fifty
to fifty on. I don't like anybody else except Riley
Leonard at Notre Dame. Third or fourth round. Guy is
a huge athlete. Little Josh Allen where unbelievable basketball talent,
talent sixty four percent completion percentage. They don't throw much,
(29:35):
they don't do much accuracy, Okay, hit and miss. Nobody
in the world believes me. I'm just saying I've seen
him play three times this year fourth round. Every time
I say that jayback is like not interested. And I
haven't seen any NFL comps or anything on Riley Leonard.
I don't know what to do with it. It just
I know this. Every time they tell me it's a
bad quarterback class, somebody emerges in the fourth round.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I'm telling you the guy to an eye on his
Jalen Milroe, but he's gonna go before the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I don't personally love him.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I don't like what I've seen, but apparently some of
the scouts and some of the intangibles that he has,
people are starting saying, you know, if I squint really hard,
maybe I can see the makings of a Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He feels very heavier, he feels very mid to late
second round.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
I would not be shocked if he went in the first.
That's how desperate teams are. He's like six two two
twenty five live arm. He could scoot, as they like
to say. I think he's fine, but I don't want
him with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, there's always one that emerges. I mean, look how
many guy Dak Prescott fourth round, Russell Wilson third round,
Brady's sixth round. There's undrafted guys. Romo Warner brought pretty
seven dimonds in the Rock Kirk Cousins fourth round. There's
somebody out there. There's somebody in this year's draft third
round that's going to leave a mark. It's the Herd
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