November 13, 2024 • 30 mins
Colin talks about being surprised by Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, the Chiefs still being undefeated, the Eagles and Vikings season so far, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Mark Sanchez is gonna be money. Haven't had him in
a couple of weeks. He is all fired up to
be in our show today and he is bringing tape.
Baby Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
No news, this is the Herdline news, all right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This this first story is a I don't know how
to characterize a calm, but it's not a great look.
Now it's only coming from one source, but it's about
Bronnie James. So according to Brian Windhorst, very credible reporter.
I actually listened to his podcast on the way into
work and he talked about this. He said Lebron's son Bronni,
will not be traveling with the G League team, the
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South Bay Lakers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
From my understanding.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
According to Windhorst, he's only going to play in the
South Bay Lakers home games. Why he will only be
a part time G League player. Oh god, so again,
it's just one source.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Let's not freak out.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Let's wait for maybe the Lakers to say, does he
not want to fly like commercial?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm not serious. It's my first thought is does he
not want to fly commercial with all the other guys.
He's never flown commercial in his life?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh come on, he surely has done one commercial tribute.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
No way, no way, no way. Okay, maybe you're right
on that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I have no idea, but like, it just isn't a
great look like.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Playing basket.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
By the way, I asked you about two weeks ago,
when he goes to the G League what kind of
player would he be? I figured he'd make. He'd be
about ten points a game. G league is a higher
end college basketball. He's scoring like six.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, it's it's one or it's really early.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Let's dude, So he's not an exceptional G League player.
I mean, we know if we one thing, if he
scored fourteen six points is not exceptional. Lebron never scored
single digit points in his career.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
He's a young guy.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I really wanted to be successful. But this report is
one of those like, all right, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, what are we doing? He's got to play basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You got to play basketball to.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Get better at basketball. He's a good gamer. You guys
all bang on Kyler Murray for that. Kyler Murray can play.
Kyler Murray's exceptional. This dude, Like, I'm sorry, but how
does Lebron want this to land?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Once everybody else hears about this. I don't know that
this story is out there that much yet, But.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Kyle, this is just not going to reflect great.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He only wants to play home games. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's just unclear why that would be the case, like
if there's no injury risk, But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He doesn't want to fly commercial is my first gut feeling.
But I mean, if you're trying to connect, what it
tells me is he didn't really want to connect with teammates.
He views himself as above the G League.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, also, this is a guy who went to USC
who's in Lebron's backyard. Now he's with the Lakers with
so he's like always around the family. This would be
like the first time he's going away from the nest.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
If you want to that that that's worth speculating. I'm again,
I'm your if you're if you're trying to connect with teammates,
this ain't the look this is.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think that's a good point. We'll see if the Lakers, we.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Don't know enough to have strong opinions, but mine is,
if this story is true, it's a terrible look.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to a positive story,
and that's Drake Bay in New England. How about this guy?
I loved him coming out and now Brian Hoyer, uh,
the guy who was Tom Brady's long time backup. Hoyer said,
there's one aspect of May in particular that reminds him of.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I like his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
He's very you can see he comes across as a
very humble person and and at a quarterback position. Obviously,
I'm biased because I was in their day in, day
out with the greatest of all time, and he couldn't
have been more humble. I think you kind of feel
that from Drake to like, Okay, not gonna, I'm gonna
do the right thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna work hard,
I'm gonna do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Humble, sort of like the guy with the Jets humble.
It kind of matters.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Listen, when you're a young, ascending talent, you gotta stay humble.
So like when I joined the show, I know you're
kind of on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Radio host, I gotta be humble for ab two shows.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Didn't last long, correct, But listen, I compared Brock Perdy
to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
We're now hearing Drake May Is this? I think it
Justin Herbert Dustin Herbert. Yeah, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There's nothing wrong with wanting to emulate.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Greatness, right, No, I mean, I just I think humility
and gratitude are big appealing personality traits. Look at the
guys who are struggled. Jeannie Manzel. When you come in
with a little hot Caleb Wooms, Caleb Williams, there's there's
a feeling he's a bit hot. Sorry to go after
he's very cold. Right Daniels, Jayden Daniels, everybody loves him.
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One of the guys, Bo Nicks, one of the eyes.
Look at a lot of the guys that miss badly.
It's a lot of look at me go my new commercial.
There's a lot of that stuff, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Final story is, uh, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Fletcher Cox who played for the Eagles forever spent thirteen
seasons in Philly, said he thinks head coach Nick Sirianni
is getting a bum rap.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Let's look at Nick's history.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
But he got playoffs, super Bowl playoffs, playoffs. I mean
all he does is win, right, He find a way,
and you know with a coach like that, you know
that can get rally up a team of men and
do what he's doing every year, year in and year out,
even with swapping coordinators the last two years. You know,
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the way that things have been going, you know, they're
still finding ways to win. And I think this team
could get scary in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I think that's fair. I've had my questions about Sirianni,
but it is also dually noted that people do mature
on the job. Not everybody that gets a job is
ready for a job, and that coaches grow into a job.
I mean, I think that's very fair. I think Nick
Sirianni was over his skis at his opening press conference,
was over his skis the first two years. May have
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been over his skis six weeks ago, but people do
grow into their jobs, not everybody. You should take a
job honestly, that challenges you. You should have to bail water,
you don't want to do it for three years. But
I think it's also if you're self aware, if you're
reasonably bright, you can grow into a job you're not
necessarily I mean they took a chance on the kid anyway, right,
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I mean Detroit took a chance on Dan Campbell. He'd
been a coach once didn't work. I think Dan Campbell's
gotten better as a coach. I thought he was a
little a little overly emotional, I felt like a player coach.
I think he's grown into a sturdy, solid, excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This is year four for sirian He went nine and eight,
fourteen and three, eleven and six, and now he's seven
and two. So Colin in plus years, Nick Sirianni is
forty one and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's pretty good. Robert sala would have killed to go
forty one and nineteen. Well, Robert Salad didn't have this roster.
He had Aaron Rodgers also, he had old Aaron Apachilli surgery,
and he didn't have Howie Roseman. He didn't have Jeffrey Lourie,
he didn't have I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Let's be honest, Okay, that's all fair.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I'm just saying like it's weird that the numbers say
Sirianni is damn good, But it's the perception, the sideline antics,
the comments in the post game he's kind of well,
I mean if they've arred of the building that he's
kind of buffoonish.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, if you go, if you go to pat Riley,
you're one, two and three with the Lakers and pat Riley.
You know, if you go twelve fifteen years later, like
people do they change.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, he's a young guy. He's still forty three years old.
That's pretty young in the coaching industry. Stop mcvaye, but
he's young, and I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, that's the news and thanks for the line man.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Talk to him in a couple of weeks. We always
love having them on the show and he always brings tape.
Mark Sanchez ten NFL seasons. He's got a great one
this week. Rams Patriots is fascinating because the Rams had
a stinker on Monday Night and New England's plan actually
really really well, I'll start with that. It was weird
because the Rams finally had their interior O line. Right,
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you had Pooka back, you had Kyen Williams, and it
was just one of those games.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Nothing up front went right, nothing went right, and that
was their best combination that you mentioned. I mean, I
know Haven Simin was playing at the right tackle spot,
but getting a villa back, getting these guys back, that
should be your chance, and that should be They've shown
in spurts that they can run the ball successfully, it's
just doing it on a more consistent basis. And then
when you don't get Karen Williams involved, you see what
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happens when they're you know, the full strength, everything's firing.
That's a scary team and they can jump out on you.
But if like they were chasing points, they had some
pre snap penalties, the tipped interception and a couple of
things where you know, I think Stafford said it, we
just shot ourselves in the foot and we couldn't get
out of our own way. And that was a team
where you know, the defense did played pretty well. And
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this is a young group. I love the way versus
playing the Bradon Fist kid. Both of those kids out
of FSU Florida State. They look awesome for rookies. They're
doing so well, so they got the pieces and it's
gonna be a tight race with them in Arizona, I
think in the West, so they'll be all right.
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Speaker 1 (09:42):
So I admit I was a huge Russell Wilson fan,
and then Peyton and Pete Carroll move off him. Multiple
teammates who are respected were very critical, and I'm like,
it doesn't work, and I think maybe some humble pie
he kind of reboots it, whatever happens, But it does
feel like he's not as little lousive as he was.
But the deep ball is back, which I hope it
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was always what he did well. Yeah, and he's got
some pretty big targets now. I kind of buy you know,
there's elements to winning teams veteran coach, defense, run game,
good oc deep ball. Like I kind of buy into
the Steelers and Russ I mean, are you surprised by
how efficient it has been.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
I think you're seeing all those veteran leadership qualities mesh up,
whether it's him and Tomlin, him and the coordinator coming
to different places. Look at all these second chance coordinators
and head coaches in the league for that matter. Dan
Quinn has those guys believing that's a huge game tomorrow night.
But you know these teams, when coaches leave a place,
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you know, the good ones make a list of stuff.
They talk to people in that building, in the new building.
What does it look like, how do we do things?
All those things matter for these squads. And when you
get a veteran like Russ who can still extend plays,
he's still you know, he hasn't completely falling off a
cliff athletically, He's plenty athletic enough to get him those
second chance opportunities, and he knows what he has. He
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knows exactly. They're taking one on one shots down the
sidelines to Mike Williams and George Pickens and Manda Man.
When that quarnerback's not looking at me and my quarterback
throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the NFL,
he just lets it glide him. It just kind of floats.
And those guys have such a huge catch radius, it's okay.
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Just get it near him, Just get it near their
jersey in their catch radius and let them do the rest.
But he's taking care of the football, getting out of
trouble and they're riding the run game and that tough
Steelers defense like we're used to, So, you know, TJ.
Wat just seems to it's like, hey, we need a
big play dial up TJ. Yeah, that's they have so
much going for him. You know, it's them in Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Also, there was a moment Mike Tomlin deserves respect, so
Justin Field's four and two.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I know, and that's not an easy switch.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And Big bends on his podcast saying what do you do?
I know, and he made the move. I think that's
tougher than fans think. People think that's Mike. I don't
know if all the players bought into that.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yeah, I'm not totally sure. And I think this kind
of tells me that Russ was slated to be the
starter obviously, and that injury was severe enough to keep
him out for that amount of time. Maybe they because
they were he was playing so well, Fields was winning
a few of those games. It was like, Okay, let's
just make sure he's fully healed so we don't have
to do this back and forth all the time. I
think that was the not indecision. I don't think there
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was any indecision. I think he knew what he wanted.
But because Justin was playing so well, you give Russ
another week, let him completely heal, and he's our guy
moving forward like we planned from day one. So I
commend him for it. That's not an easy move to
make as a head man.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So I've said this, people grow into jobs just like
players do. And so Nick Sirianni's opening press conference he
makes fun of it. Now, I wasn't ready. I had
talked to a couple of people in the league and
they're like, I'm not sure he's ready yet to be
a head coach. And early on calling play didn't work.
He gives it to Siriani smart enough to know that
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self awareness. Then it works, Then he leaves. Coordinators don't work.
It's been a bit of a roller coady. Yeah, so
it's been a little turbulent, except for the fact they
win a lot. He's had one bad streak, so I'm
want to be fair. He's young. People get better in
every industry. Sure is this potentially I don't know if
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you've seen this in your career from a coordinator a coach.
It feels like he's been asked to grow up very quickly.
He's very public. Philadelphia is loud. The owner and the
GM are strong willed people. Did you ever have a coach?
I mean, I love their roster mark, and I'm starting
to think, Hey, they're playing too well to have a
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bad head coach. They're too consistent.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
I think they're benefiting from a couple of really good
draft classes. Their defense looks legit. The young players on
defense are playing really. Cooper is awesome. I mean, he's
asked to play Nickel. You know how hard it is
to play nickel as a rookie. You gotta worry about
run fits. You got to get in the brier patch
and go knock people's heads in like that is a
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really tough job. Not just then, you got to cover
guys in the slot who are all so shifty. Some
of them are big, they'll just push you around. I mean,
this kid's an absolute monster. So I love his game.
I love the way they're developing. I think Kellen Moore
has really helped the development of Jalen Hurs. Remember some
of the stuff we talked to the film I showed
you in here. Some of those reads he's starting to
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pick up, and they're gonna go as far as he goes,
and as far as he progresses. I think, as far
as Sirianni's concerned, these last this stretch that they're on,
these five games, those are five very winnable games. None
of those teams are world beaters. None of those teams
are gonna be fighting to make the playoffs barely, like
they're gonna be hanging by a thread. This one tomorrow
night against Washington, This is gonna tell me a lot
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more about coach Sirianni and the culture. And if everything
is short week, solidified, short week, it's a high mental
rep mental rep kind of preparation. So is your team
locked in or not? And I learn a lot about
teams on Thursdays. It's really tough physically, ten times harder
mentally because you've got to really key into those they're
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supposed to be full speed mental reps and imagining the
play essentially in these walkthroughs, because that's all you do
for a Thursday week. You don't really practice, so you
don't get extra throws, you don't get to do much.
You got to be ready to go between your ears
and this game is going to tell.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Me a lot. You know, I don't want to beat
up on a young player. Caleb Williams. How difficult would
it be to go from an OC to a coach
you know, on the staff to another seat. No Jets
have done this. It has not been great for the
Jets with Aaron like the offense is getting worse it
is for a young quarterback rookie year. If somebody would
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have gotten rid of a play caller and given you
the quarterback coach or somebody else, does it help? Is
it new energy? What do you make of that move?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Well, just because the coordinator's gone, whether you know you
agree with the firing mid season or not, if that's
gonna no matter what happens, it's going to delay his
development a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I think I.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Think this system wasn't is completely different from what he's
used to in college. There's when I was a rookie
coming from USC, we had protections and a playbook that
was almost the exact same size as my NFL playbook,
almost identical, and they were protections. One was called you know,
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Action two and in the NFL we called it a
forty two.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
That was it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
That was the difference exact same rules. I knew protections.
I can draw up fronts. When you come in as
an as a rookie quarterback, you better know how to
protect yourself. How do you protect yourself? You got to
no defenses, you got to no protections. So as quickly
as you can study those fronts, coverages and pass pro rules.
Caleb clearly hasn't gotten there yet. Got sacked nine times
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last week. And a couple guys are free runners. If
there's a free runner on the quarterback and the quarterback
gets up and is looking around like what was that
all about, and not looking at a specific halfback to
like go block that guy, he doesn't know.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He didn't know, and he didn't see it.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
And there were a couple of them last game where
they just get free runners on the guy and he's
getting up like, WHOA, what just happened.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Well, a lot of.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
This is because that's not the system he came from
in college. So he's learning this for the first time
against the best players on the planet. Right, It's one
thing to learn it in college, and he kind of
flushed it out a little bit. Get to run the
system for a few years. But I had been running
a pro system for four years. So getting in in,
walking in a huddle, talking to players, understanding how to
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communicate calls and all that, that's all new for him.
This is all new under center footwork, turn your back
to the defense. He's never done that, So this is
this is a real learning curve for him, and this
will potentially stun his growth a little bit. It's going
to take time to recover from this kind of move.
But who knows what's happened. What happens at the end
of the season. They got eight games or whatever it is,
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nine games left and that's a grueling schedule. They're in
the toughest division in football, so I don't know that's
gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They were the hottest team in the NFL for the
first month. The Vikings are cooled off. It feels like
they escape Jacksonville, Sam Darnold, Mark's got tape. What's happening
is some regression to the mean. We'll talk about that.
Mark Sanchez live at LA It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well Jacksonville, Minnesota, Kevin O'Connell almost appeared to like scale
back the offense after Sam had a couple of end
zone picks. Yeah, and we've got I think we both
like Sam. He's athletic, but he has been reckless in
his career. I've always said he reminds me a little
of Carson Wentz. Although very good in the locker room,
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there are just sort of moments where you're like, the
minute he lets go of it, You're like, Sam, we
got a lot of that. So you got some tape
on this.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, and I think you know, some of these issues
they've had in the red zone, especially this last week,
were when the space gets condensed, it's spacing and timing,
which ties into your footwork and your eyes, and some
of that stuff has gotten a little off kilter. I
also think these defenses that they played Ryan Nielsen the
DC you got to credit him down in Jacksonville. I
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thought he did an excellent job of masking these coverages
to make them look like man, but they're really zone.
So when we show this first clip, I know they
say all sin is equal sin, not all sins are
the same.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Okay, like they're.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
A little different and not all interceptions are the same.
But you see this. The back's going to motion in
It's just a little motion indicator, and the cornerback Campbell
at the bottom, stayed with him.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
The backer just adjusts.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He's letting the defense know, hey, we're gonna play quarters
down here a quarters zone. Everybody gets a fourth of
the pie. And this backside safety's gonna cheat up top
to the bunch now down to the bottom. It's gonna
look like man to man because the backer plays the halfback,
the corner plays the tied end. Well, that's where Sam
wants to go with the ball. He wants to start
to his left tight end half back, and then all
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these crossers that start crossing the field from the opposite side.
So his eyes are in the right spot. The back
gets hit immediately. The safety's pushing over, collecting routes and
playing that back end, just waiting for people, hunting up
people and going to double potentially Jefferson. So Sam's looking
at the corner route to the tight end is covered
by Campbell, young cornerback who I really love, by the way,
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and played really well the other day. Boom covers the
tight end. Now his eyes go to the rest of
the reed, like if the tight end's won. This is
like a two way and two be a shallow crosser
and then a deeper crosser in the back end zone.
And then here comes Justin Jefferson. This last option, right,
So Sam gets through this progression. Justin's got a cross
behind that safety, find the dead spot in the zone,
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or race away from somebody. Watch Sam's eyes this entire time.
This is what's gonna tell us the story. The back
gets hit so hard he goes to the underneath and you're
thinking Sam's gonna throw him the ball. Well, he's still
waiting for Justin Jefferson. Watch his eyes as this play develops.
You can see him the dcal shows you the details
are in the decal or you can see it in
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the stripe right. So he's looking and then he kind
of looks back to the right and then looks back again.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So he's a little off. The picture doesn't look right
to him.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
So he gets into desperation mode here and he feels
Justin Jefferson. And watch how he tricks the quarterback. This
is on Justin. He looks like he's gonna go. His
body language tells him I'm going to the bottom of
the U put it on the goal. Line, low down
and dirty, throw right at my belt, loop and I'll
catch the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But he ends up going to the g.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
He shows like he's coming straight down the line back
to the quarterback, and then goes to the G. He
goes like another man to the left, and Sam's already
throwing the ball based on his original body language. I mean,
that's you can't fault the quarterback for that. He went
through the entire reed, found an open guy. The guy
showed him body language saying throw me the ball here,
and then he jumped out of the Ok So they're
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on different pages, right, All that's not completely Sam, But
this next one is one hundred percent Sam. So roll
this one. This is another one in the red zone.
We're talking about deadly sins. The seven deadly sins. Interceptions
in the red zone are a deadly sin. Right, cannot
happen this time. They run a backer out with the back,
same formation, tied end to the bottom, but the back
and the back are Oh wait, that's.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
A man indicator. Okay, we could get Manda man.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I might alert Justin Jefferson on this corner route that
he's gonna have. But if they really were in man,
everything would have to match the man demeanor, the Manda
man defensive demeanor. Those guys would have to be up
pressing those guys or pressing at least the point and
figuring that out. It's zone all the way. But it
looks like man and that indicator motion tricked them. So
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he's thinking, I got Justin Jefferson running this deep bench cut.
And if you're gonna throw that deep bench cut that
ball has you got to save the quarterbacks some space.
See how he's touching the paint of the ten yard
line right there, His toes are on the ten yard line.
I need a minus one inside the paint. You can't
touch paint and break out because I need all that
real estate. And that real estate just went from Bakersfield
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to Beverly Hills. Look at how much better that is?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So no offense to biggers Field, love you guess.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So when he makes that outcut, there's not enough space
and this ball has to be a frozen rope about
eight feet off the ground eight and a half maybe
just a trajectory to throw and it should hit that
guy on the sidelines. Is basically what you're doing. You're
throwing this ball essentially out of bounds and your receiver
will go catch the ball. If you're going to throw
this ball because it's number one in zone, what do
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we say timing and space. He hits his back foot,
he's got the nice forward lean. He's like a pitcher
coming off the mound. Ball has to come out. And
then he props up, he puts his feet close together,
loses all of his momentum, completely stops, and then bounces
again and then throws this ball.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So there's the ball I want. There's the ball I get.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Not only is it light, no juice hind it, no
hips behind it like and that's not saying like that
can't happen.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Not there.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
If that ball's coming out to number one, boom, I
need that thing. One hundred and five mile an hour
fast I see.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
With these two picks is self doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I think he's just still learning to process. He's still
learning to get to that next level of how these
things are happening? Is it truly manners?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Oone?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Is he still getting fooled on a couple things? And listen,
some of these defenses would fool Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning,
Drew Breed. I mean it happens to some of the
great players too. It's not just Sam it's like terrible
or something. But these are some of the things that
he's got to clean up if they're gonna make this
serious run. Because you turn over the ball in the
red zone, you ain't gonna win many games.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay, So J McK and I had at least a
five minute disagreement this week. Obo, So I don't believe.
Here's what I think is luck in football. You fumble
and you recover it. I think some years you get
the recovery, some you don't. You're a running back, it
bounces right back to you.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Sure that is luck.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You shouldn't fumble, but it happens. Luck isn't always winning
close games when you win them several different ways. Kansas
City now has won what fifteen straight weeks. Watch this
block kick. It's they saved it to the last play
of the game. They could have done this second quarter.
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They saw a huge weakness. They they've sent everybody to
the right side or to the left side of the Broncos.
That to me is I.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Mean, that's a coach seeing that either on film and
if you put it on tape, you're either coaching it
or allowing it to happen. So somebody saw that and said, hey, yeah,
we're going to heavy rush right for the defense to
the offense's left. But it's it's a team with a
nucleus that's been together for a long time, right, seeing
a ton of football. The ball is not always going
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to bounce your way. It's a funny shaped football, right,
and sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't.
It seems to go their way more often than not
because of the way they prepare, because they've had the
guys together, because they've been in those moments. They rep
those moments over and over and over, and they've had
success at it early. So there's a belief, right, and
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now it's just a machine. We got to keep oiling
up the machine.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
To do that, you got to put in your work
each week, and you can tell their players do it.
They have a selfless attitude. You know, Kelsey goes through
a drought and then comes back the last couple of
weeks has the most catches for all tight ends, right leads,
tight ends and receptions.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So it's this is who they.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Are, and they're gonna find a way to win, and
it's not always going to look the same, but we're
going to figure out a way. And and they're almost
like that team where they're so good they don't really lose,
they just kind of run out of time and they
almost feel like that, you know what I mean. They're
just like, ah, another quarter, we'd got them, Yeah we
needed two more plays, Okay, we'll make them next time.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And they just have that demeanor. And it starts with
the headman.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
There was a before the Chargers game and during the
Chargers game with Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert and it's
all over the video and he calls him half man,
half beast. Harbaugh's so quirky and odd and funny and
punches the shoulder of ads. Yeah, did you like that
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from your coach or were you in his zone? I
think Herbert initially didn't know what to make of job.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
So Harbaugh's like one, you know, completely different end of
this spectrum there, like extreme with this kind of you know,
raw raw stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Right. But a coach like me.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Or that I had was Steve Sarkisian and Pete Carroll,
and they both had different ways of getting you fired up.
Where sark would kind of give you a look. He
had a little grood into him like a little man
you ready to go, and just kind of like nudge
you a little bit, not like in front of cameras
and stuff, but kind of like in the in the
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walkway out to the game or like you know, you're
walking out to the grass and it's like right before
you hit the field, like let's do this, baby, And
you know, like he's locked in and fired up for you,
where Pete Pete would tell you a story the night
before and gets you jacked up, and then during the
game something would happen and he'd remind you of it,
like what did I say last night? Hey, this is
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exactly what we wanted, baby. Other people get nervous. We
know what to do. We know exactly what to do.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Let's go, baby, come on.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
You know, like you just have different ways of connecting
with those guys, and that's a harball thing. He wants
to be physical, you know, like physical touch is obviously
his love language, and he just and it's it's very
like college recruiter, you know, when you meet these kids
and stuff, like when you go through that whole recruiting circuit,
all these coaches see your measurables, but they want to
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feel like, are you a legit like two eighty five
or you like a little flabby, like what's going on?
They touch your arms, you know, and that's a very
harball thing, you know. He kind of big tough handshake,
kind of grab the back of your try set make
sure you're you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Like, that's that's very him.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I find him first of all all of his
rebuild jobs, he had to go find a quarterback. This
is the only one. Yeah, I guess in San Diego.
Maybe maybe not the first college job, but you know,
he had to go recruit sure Andrew like JJ McCarthy,
and he had to recreate some stuff. I think he's
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just so grateful that not only did he inherit a quarterback,
but he's really special.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
And I mean you heard him.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
He's obviously not lacking self confidence Jim Harbaugh, but he said,
you know, I like to think of myself as the
toughest quarterback ever, you know, So like I'm like, okay,
he knocked himself down one and butt justin like, yeah, okay,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Let's see that kind of stuff. It I think it.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
You know, he's trying to trying to put his blueprint
on this his his thumbprint on this team because they've
been more of a finesse unit since we can remember, right.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
The Founts is the fan rivers.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, like throw him for four hundred yards a game,
not ground and pound and you know, punch you in
the mouth.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So he's changing the culture.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Mark Sanchez absolutely money thanks to Joel Klatt, Josh McDaniel,
stop by in and studio. We hope he returns as well.
Your ten years of experience in the NFL. Doing a
great job as a broadcaster. Mark, We appreciate it. We'll
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Mark Sanchez is gonna be money. Haven't had him in
a couple of weeks. He is all fired up to
be in our show today and he is bringing tape.
Baby Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
No news, this is the Herdline news, all right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This this first story is a I don't know how
to characterize a calm, but it's not a great look.
Now it's only coming from one source, but it's about
Bronnie James. So according to Brian Windhorst, very credible reporter.
I actually listened to his podcast on the way into
work and he talked about this. He said Lebron's son Bronni,
will not be traveling with the G League team, the
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South Bay Lakers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
From my understanding.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
According to Windhorst, he's only going to play in the
South Bay Lakers home games. Why he will only be
a part time G League player. Oh god, so again,
it's just one source.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Let's not freak out.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Let's wait for maybe the Lakers to say, does he
not want to fly like commercial?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm not serious. It's my first thought is does he
not want to fly commercial with all the other guys.
He's never flown commercial in his life?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh come on, he surely has done one commercial tribute.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
No way, no way, no way. Okay, maybe you're right
on that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I have no idea, but like, it just isn't a
great look like.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Playing basket.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
By the way, I asked you about two weeks ago,
when he goes to the G League what kind of
player would he be? I figured he'd make. He'd be
about ten points a game. G league is a higher
end college basketball. He's scoring like six.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, it's it's one or it's really early.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Let's dude, So he's not an exceptional G League player.
I mean, we know if we one thing, if he
scored fourteen six points is not exceptional. Lebron never scored
single digit points in his career.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
He's a young guy.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I really wanted to be successful. But this report is
one of those like, all right, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
No, what are we doing? He's got to play basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You got to play basketball to.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Get better at basketball. He's a good gamer. You guys
all bang on Kyler Murray for that. Kyler Murray can play.
Kyler Murray's exceptional. This dude, Like, I'm sorry, but how
does Lebron want this to land?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Once everybody else hears about this. I don't know that
this story is out there that much yet, But.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Kyle, this is just not going to reflect great.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He only wants to play home games. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's just unclear why that would be the case, like
if there's no injury risk, But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He doesn't want to fly commercial is my first gut feeling.
But I mean, if you're trying to connect, what it
tells me is he didn't really want to connect with teammates.
He views himself as above the G League.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, also, this is a guy who went to USC
who's in Lebron's backyard. Now he's with the Lakers with
so he's like always around the family. This would be
like the first time he's going away from the nest.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
If you want to that that that's worth speculating. I'm again,
I'm your if you're if you're trying to connect with teammates,
this ain't the look this is.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think that's a good point. We'll see if the Lakers, we.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Don't know enough to have strong opinions, but mine is,
if this story is true, it's a terrible look.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to a positive story,
and that's Drake Bay in New England. How about this guy?
I loved him coming out and now Brian Hoyer, uh,
the guy who was Tom Brady's long time backup. Hoyer said,
there's one aspect of May in particular that reminds him of.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I like his demeanor.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
He's very you can see he comes across as a
very humble person and and at a quarterback position. Obviously,
I'm biased because I was in their day in, day
out with the greatest of all time, and he couldn't
have been more humble. I think you kind of feel
that from Drake to like, Okay, not gonna, I'm gonna
do the right thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna work hard,
I'm gonna do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Humble, sort of like the guy with the Jets humble.
It kind of matters.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Listen, when you're a young, ascending talent, you gotta stay humble.
So like when I joined the show, I know you're
kind of on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Radio host, I gotta be humble for ab two shows.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Didn't last long, correct, But listen, I compared Brock Perdy
to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
We're now hearing Drake May Is this? I think it
Justin Herbert Dustin Herbert. Yeah, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There's nothing wrong with wanting to emulate.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Greatness, right, No, I mean, I just I think humility
and gratitude are big appealing personality traits. Look at the
guys who are struggled. Jeannie Manzel. When you come in
with a little hot Caleb Wooms, Caleb Williams, there's there's
a feeling he's a bit hot. Sorry to go after
he's very cold. Right Daniels, Jayden Daniels, everybody loves him.
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One of the guys, Bo Nicks, one of the eyes.
Look at a lot of the guys that miss badly.
It's a lot of look at me go my new commercial.
There's a lot of that stuff, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Final story is, uh, let's go to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Fletcher Cox who played for the Eagles forever spent thirteen
seasons in Philly, said he thinks head coach Nick Sirianni
is getting a bum rap.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Let's look at Nick's history.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
But he got playoffs, super Bowl playoffs, playoffs. I mean
all he does is win, right, He find a way,
and you know with a coach like that, you know
that can get rally up a team of men and
do what he's doing every year, year in and year out,
even with swapping coordinators the last two years. You know,
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the way that things have been going, you know, they're
still finding ways to win. And I think this team
could get scary in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I think that's fair. I've had my questions about Sirianni,
but it is also dually noted that people do mature
on the job. Not everybody that gets a job is
ready for a job, and that coaches grow into a job.
I mean, I think that's very fair. I think Nick
Sirianni was over his skis at his opening press conference,
was over his skis the first two years. May have
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been over his skis six weeks ago, but people do
grow into their jobs, not everybody. You should take a
job honestly, that challenges you. You should have to bail water,
you don't want to do it for three years. But
I think it's also if you're self aware, if you're
reasonably bright, you can grow into a job you're not
necessarily I mean they took a chance on the kid anyway, right,
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I mean Detroit took a chance on Dan Campbell. He'd
been a coach once didn't work. I think Dan Campbell's
gotten better as a coach. I thought he was a
little a little overly emotional, I felt like a player coach.
I think he's grown into a sturdy, solid, excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
This is year four for sirian He went nine and eight,
fourteen and three, eleven and six, and now he's seven
and two. So Colin in plus years, Nick Sirianni is
forty one and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's pretty good. Robert sala would have killed to go
forty one and nineteen. Well, Robert Salad didn't have this roster.
He had Aaron Rodgers also, he had old Aaron Apachilli surgery,
and he didn't have Howie Roseman. He didn't have Jeffrey Lourie,
he didn't have I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Let's be honest, Okay, that's all fair.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I'm just saying like it's weird that the numbers say
Sirianni is damn good, But it's the perception, the sideline antics,
the comments in the post game he's kind of well,
I mean if they've arred of the building that he's
kind of buffoonish.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, if you go, if you go to pat Riley,
you're one, two and three with the Lakers and pat Riley.
You know, if you go twelve fifteen years later, like
people do they change.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, he's a young guy. He's still forty three years old.
That's pretty young in the coaching industry. Stop mcvaye, but
he's young, and I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, that's the news and thanks for the line man.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Talk to him in a couple of weeks. We always
love having them on the show and he always brings tape.
Mark Sanchez ten NFL seasons. He's got a great one
this week. Rams Patriots is fascinating because the Rams had
a stinker on Monday Night and New England's plan actually
really really well, I'll start with that. It was weird
because the Rams finally had their interior O line. Right,
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you had Pooka back, you had Kyen Williams, and it
was just one of those games.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Nothing up front went right, nothing went right, and that
was their best combination that you mentioned. I mean, I
know Haven Simin was playing at the right tackle spot,
but getting a villa back, getting these guys back, that
should be your chance, and that should be They've shown
in spurts that they can run the ball successfully, it's
just doing it on a more consistent basis. And then
when you don't get Karen Williams involved, you see what
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happens when they're you know, the full strength, everything's firing.
That's a scary team and they can jump out on you.
But if like they were chasing points, they had some
pre snap penalties, the tipped interception and a couple of
things where you know, I think Stafford said it, we
just shot ourselves in the foot and we couldn't get
out of our own way. And that was a team
where you know, the defense did played pretty well. And
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this is a young group. I love the way versus
playing the Bradon Fist kid. Both of those kids out
of FSU Florida State. They look awesome for rookies. They're
doing so well, so they got the pieces and it's
gonna be a tight race with them in Arizona, I
think in the West, so they'll be all right.
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Speaker 1 (09:42):
So I admit I was a huge Russell Wilson fan,
and then Peyton and Pete Carroll move off him. Multiple
teammates who are respected were very critical, and I'm like,
it doesn't work, and I think maybe some humble pie
he kind of reboots it, whatever happens, But it does
feel like he's not as little lousive as he was.
But the deep ball is back, which I hope it
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was always what he did well. Yeah, and he's got
some pretty big targets now. I kind of buy you know,
there's elements to winning teams veteran coach, defense, run game,
good oc deep ball. Like I kind of buy into
the Steelers and Russ I mean, are you surprised by
how efficient it has been.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
I think you're seeing all those veteran leadership qualities mesh up,
whether it's him and Tomlin, him and the coordinator coming
to different places. Look at all these second chance coordinators
and head coaches in the league for that matter. Dan
Quinn has those guys believing that's a huge game tomorrow night.
But you know these teams, when coaches leave a place,
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you know, the good ones make a list of stuff.
They talk to people in that building, in the new building.
What does it look like, how do we do things?
All those things matter for these squads. And when you
get a veteran like Russ who can still extend plays,
he's still you know, he hasn't completely falling off a
cliff athletically, He's plenty athletic enough to get him those
second chance opportunities, and he knows what he has. He
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knows exactly. They're taking one on one shots down the
sidelines to Mike Williams and George Pickens and Manda Man.
When that quarnerback's not looking at me and my quarterback
throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the NFL,
he just lets it glide him. It just kind of floats.
And those guys have such a huge catch radius, it's okay.
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Just get it near him, Just get it near their
jersey in their catch radius and let them do the rest.
But he's taking care of the football, getting out of
trouble and they're riding the run game and that tough
Steelers defense like we're used to, So, you know, TJ.
Wat just seems to it's like, hey, we need a
big play dial up TJ. Yeah, that's they have so
much going for him. You know, it's them in Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Also, there was a moment Mike Tomlin deserves respect, so
Justin Field's four and two.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I know, and that's not an easy switch.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And Big bends on his podcast saying what do you do?
I know, and he made the move. I think that's
tougher than fans think. People think that's Mike. I don't
know if all the players bought into that.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Yeah, I'm not totally sure. And I think this kind
of tells me that Russ was slated to be the
starter obviously, and that injury was severe enough to keep
him out for that amount of time. Maybe they because
they were he was playing so well, Fields was winning
a few of those games. It was like, Okay, let's
just make sure he's fully healed so we don't have
to do this back and forth all the time. I
think that was the not indecision. I don't think there
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was any indecision. I think he knew what he wanted.
But because Justin was playing so well, you give Russ
another week, let him completely heal, and he's our guy
moving forward like we planned from day one. So I
commend him for it. That's not an easy move to
make as a head man.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So I've said this, people grow into jobs just like
players do. And so Nick Sirianni's opening press conference he
makes fun of it. Now, I wasn't ready. I had
talked to a couple of people in the league and
they're like, I'm not sure he's ready yet to be
a head coach. And early on calling play didn't work.
He gives it to Siriani smart enough to know that
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self awareness. Then it works, Then he leaves. Coordinators don't work.
It's been a bit of a roller coady. Yeah, so
it's been a little turbulent, except for the fact they
win a lot. He's had one bad streak, so I'm
want to be fair. He's young. People get better in
every industry. Sure is this potentially I don't know if
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you've seen this in your career from a coordinator a coach.
It feels like he's been asked to grow up very quickly.
He's very public. Philadelphia is loud. The owner and the
GM are strong willed people. Did you ever have a coach?
I mean, I love their roster mark, and I'm starting
to think, Hey, they're playing too well to have a
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bad head coach. They're too consistent.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
I think they're benefiting from a couple of really good
draft classes. Their defense looks legit. The young players on
defense are playing really. Cooper is awesome. I mean, he's
asked to play Nickel. You know how hard it is
to play nickel as a rookie. You gotta worry about
run fits. You got to get in the brier patch
and go knock people's heads in like that is a
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really tough job. Not just then, you got to cover
guys in the slot who are all so shifty. Some
of them are big, they'll just push you around. I mean,
this kid's an absolute monster. So I love his game.
I love the way they're developing. I think Kellen Moore
has really helped the development of Jalen Hurs. Remember some
of the stuff we talked to the film I showed
you in here. Some of those reads he's starting to
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pick up, and they're gonna go as far as he goes,
and as far as he progresses. I think, as far
as Sirianni's concerned, these last this stretch that they're on,
these five games, those are five very winnable games. None
of those teams are world beaters. None of those teams
are gonna be fighting to make the playoffs barely, like
they're gonna be hanging by a thread. This one tomorrow
night against Washington, This is gonna tell me a lot
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more about coach Sirianni and the culture. And if everything
is short week, solidified, short week, it's a high mental
rep mental rep kind of preparation. So is your team
locked in or not? And I learn a lot about
teams on Thursdays. It's really tough physically, ten times harder
mentally because you've got to really key into those they're
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supposed to be full speed mental reps and imagining the
play essentially in these walkthroughs, because that's all you do
for a Thursday week. You don't really practice, so you
don't get extra throws, you don't get to do much.
You got to be ready to go between your ears
and this game is going to tell.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Me a lot. You know, I don't want to beat
up on a young player. Caleb Williams. How difficult would
it be to go from an OC to a coach
you know, on the staff to another seat. No Jets
have done this. It has not been great for the
Jets with Aaron like the offense is getting worse it
is for a young quarterback rookie year. If somebody would
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have gotten rid of a play caller and given you
the quarterback coach or somebody else, does it help? Is
it new energy? What do you make of that move?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Well, just because the coordinator's gone, whether you know you
agree with the firing mid season or not, if that's
gonna no matter what happens, it's going to delay his
development a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I think I.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Think this system wasn't is completely different from what he's
used to in college. There's when I was a rookie
coming from USC, we had protections and a playbook that
was almost the exact same size as my NFL playbook,
almost identical, and they were protections. One was called you know,
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Action two and in the NFL we called it a
forty two.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
That was it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
That was the difference exact same rules. I knew protections.
I can draw up fronts. When you come in as
an as a rookie quarterback, you better know how to
protect yourself. How do you protect yourself? You got to
no defenses, you got to no protections. So as quickly
as you can study those fronts, coverages and pass pro rules.
Caleb clearly hasn't gotten there yet. Got sacked nine times
(16:58):
last week. And a couple guys are free runners. If
there's a free runner on the quarterback and the quarterback
gets up and is looking around like what was that
all about, and not looking at a specific halfback to
like go block that guy, he doesn't know.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He didn't know, and he didn't see it.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
And there were a couple of them last game where
they just get free runners on the guy and he's
getting up like, WHOA, what just happened.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Well, a lot of.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
This is because that's not the system he came from
in college. So he's learning this for the first time
against the best players on the planet. Right, It's one
thing to learn it in college, and he kind of
flushed it out a little bit. Get to run the
system for a few years. But I had been running
a pro system for four years. So getting in in,
walking in a huddle, talking to players, understanding how to
(17:40):
communicate calls and all that, that's all new for him.
This is all new under center footwork, turn your back
to the defense. He's never done that, So this is
this is a real learning curve for him, and this
will potentially stun his growth a little bit. It's going
to take time to recover from this kind of move.
But who knows what's happened. What happens at the end
of the season. They got eight games or whatever it is,
(18:02):
nine games left and that's a grueling schedule. They're in
the toughest division in football, so I don't know that's
gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They were the hottest team in the NFL for the
first month. The Vikings are cooled off. It feels like
they escape Jacksonville, Sam Darnold, Mark's got tape. What's happening
is some regression to the mean. We'll talk about that.
Mark Sanchez live at LA It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well Jacksonville, Minnesota, Kevin O'Connell almost appeared to like scale
back the offense after Sam had a couple of end
zone picks. Yeah, and we've got I think we both
like Sam. He's athletic, but he has been reckless in
his career. I've always said he reminds me a little
of Carson Wentz. Although very good in the locker room,
(18:50):
there are just sort of moments where you're like, the
minute he lets go of it, You're like, Sam, we
got a lot of that. So you got some tape
on this.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, and I think you know, some of these issues
they've had in the red zone, especially this last week,
were when the space gets condensed, it's spacing and timing,
which ties into your footwork and your eyes, and some
of that stuff has gotten a little off kilter. I
also think these defenses that they played Ryan Nielsen the
DC you got to credit him down in Jacksonville. I
(19:21):
thought he did an excellent job of masking these coverages
to make them look like man, but they're really zone.
So when we show this first clip, I know they
say all sin is equal sin, not all sins are
the same.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Okay, like they're.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
A little different and not all interceptions are the same.
But you see this. The back's going to motion in
It's just a little motion indicator, and the cornerback Campbell
at the bottom, stayed with him.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
The backer just adjusts.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He's letting the defense know, hey, we're gonna play quarters
down here a quarters zone. Everybody gets a fourth of
the pie. And this backside safety's gonna cheat up top
to the bunch now down to the bottom. It's gonna
look like man to man because the backer plays the halfback,
the corner plays the tied end. Well, that's where Sam
wants to go with the ball. He wants to start
to his left tight end half back, and then all
(20:05):
these crossers that start crossing the field from the opposite side.
So his eyes are in the right spot. The back
gets hit immediately. The safety's pushing over, collecting routes and
playing that back end, just waiting for people, hunting up
people and going to double potentially Jefferson. So Sam's looking
at the corner route to the tight end is covered
by Campbell, young cornerback who I really love, by the way,
(20:28):
and played really well the other day. Boom covers the
tight end. Now his eyes go to the rest of
the reed, like if the tight end's won. This is
like a two way and two be a shallow crosser
and then a deeper crosser in the back end zone.
And then here comes Justin Jefferson. This last option, right,
So Sam gets through this progression. Justin's got a cross
behind that safety, find the dead spot in the zone,
(20:51):
or race away from somebody. Watch Sam's eyes this entire time.
This is what's gonna tell us the story. The back
gets hit so hard he goes to the underneath and you're
thinking Sam's gonna throw him the ball. Well, he's still
waiting for Justin Jefferson. Watch his eyes as this play develops.
You can see him the dcal shows you the details
are in the decal or you can see it in
(21:12):
the stripe right. So he's looking and then he kind
of looks back to the right and then looks back again.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So he's a little off. The picture doesn't look right
to him.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
So he gets into desperation mode here and he feels
Justin Jefferson. And watch how he tricks the quarterback. This
is on Justin. He looks like he's gonna go. His
body language tells him I'm going to the bottom of
the U put it on the goal. Line, low down
and dirty, throw right at my belt, loop and I'll
catch the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But he ends up going to the g.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
He shows like he's coming straight down the line back
to the quarterback, and then goes to the G. He
goes like another man to the left, and Sam's already
throwing the ball based on his original body language. I mean,
that's you can't fault the quarterback for that. He went
through the entire reed, found an open guy. The guy
showed him body language saying throw me the ball here,
and then he jumped out of the Ok So they're
(22:00):
on different pages, right, All that's not completely Sam, But
this next one is one hundred percent Sam. So roll
this one. This is another one in the red zone.
We're talking about deadly sins. The seven deadly sins. Interceptions
in the red zone are a deadly sin. Right, cannot
happen this time. They run a backer out with the back,
same formation, tied end to the bottom, but the back
and the back are Oh wait, that's.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
A man indicator. Okay, we could get Manda man.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I might alert Justin Jefferson on this corner route that
he's gonna have. But if they really were in man,
everything would have to match the man demeanor, the Manda
man defensive demeanor. Those guys would have to be up
pressing those guys or pressing at least the point and
figuring that out. It's zone all the way. But it
looks like man and that indicator motion tricked them. So
(22:46):
he's thinking, I got Justin Jefferson running this deep bench cut.
And if you're gonna throw that deep bench cut that
ball has you got to save the quarterbacks some space.
See how he's touching the paint of the ten yard
line right there, His toes are on the ten yard line.
I need a minus one inside the paint. You can't
touch paint and break out because I need all that
real estate. And that real estate just went from Bakersfield
(23:08):
to Beverly Hills. Look at how much better that is?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So no offense to biggers Field, love you guess.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So when he makes that outcut, there's not enough space
and this ball has to be a frozen rope about
eight feet off the ground eight and a half maybe
just a trajectory to throw and it should hit that
guy on the sidelines. Is basically what you're doing. You're
throwing this ball essentially out of bounds and your receiver
will go catch the ball. If you're going to throw
this ball because it's number one in zone, what do
(23:35):
we say timing and space. He hits his back foot,
he's got the nice forward lean. He's like a pitcher
coming off the mound. Ball has to come out. And
then he props up, he puts his feet close together,
loses all of his momentum, completely stops, and then bounces
again and then throws this ball.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So there's the ball I want. There's the ball I get.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Not only is it light, no juice hind it, no
hips behind it like and that's not saying like that
can't happen.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Not there.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
If that ball's coming out to number one, boom, I
need that thing. One hundred and five mile an hour
fast I see.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
With these two picks is self doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I think he's just still learning to process. He's still
learning to get to that next level of how these
things are happening? Is it truly manners?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Oone?
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Is he still getting fooled on a couple things? And listen,
some of these defenses would fool Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning,
Drew Breed. I mean it happens to some of the
great players too. It's not just Sam it's like terrible
or something. But these are some of the things that
he's got to clean up if they're gonna make this
serious run. Because you turn over the ball in the
red zone, you ain't gonna win many games.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay, So J McK and I had at least a
five minute disagreement this week. Obo, So I don't believe.
Here's what I think is luck in football. You fumble
and you recover it. I think some years you get
the recovery, some you don't. You're a running back, it
bounces right back to you.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Sure that is luck.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You shouldn't fumble, but it happens. Luck isn't always winning
close games when you win them several different ways. Kansas
City now has won what fifteen straight weeks. Watch this
block kick. It's they saved it to the last play
of the game. They could have done this second quarter.
(25:23):
They saw a huge weakness. They they've sent everybody to
the right side or to the left side of the Broncos.
That to me is I.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Mean, that's a coach seeing that either on film and
if you put it on tape, you're either coaching it
or allowing it to happen. So somebody saw that and said, hey, yeah,
we're going to heavy rush right for the defense to
the offense's left. But it's it's a team with a
nucleus that's been together for a long time, right, seeing
a ton of football. The ball is not always going
(25:56):
to bounce your way. It's a funny shaped football, right,
and sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't.
It seems to go their way more often than not
because of the way they prepare, because they've had the
guys together, because they've been in those moments. They rep
those moments over and over and over, and they've had
success at it early. So there's a belief, right, and
(26:17):
now it's just a machine. We got to keep oiling
up the machine.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
To do that, you got to put in your work
each week, and you can tell their players do it.
They have a selfless attitude. You know, Kelsey goes through
a drought and then comes back the last couple of
weeks has the most catches for all tight ends, right leads,
tight ends and receptions.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So it's this is who they.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Are, and they're gonna find a way to win, and
it's not always going to look the same, but we're
going to figure out a way. And and they're almost
like that team where they're so good they don't really lose,
they just kind of run out of time and they
almost feel like that, you know what I mean. They're
just like, ah, another quarter, we'd got them, Yeah we
needed two more plays, Okay, we'll make them next time.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And they just have that demeanor. And it starts with
the headman.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
There was a before the Chargers game and during the
Chargers game with Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert and it's
all over the video and he calls him half man,
half beast. Harbaugh's so quirky and odd and funny and
punches the shoulder of ads. Yeah, did you like that
(27:20):
from your coach or were you in his zone? I
think Herbert initially didn't know what to make of job.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
So Harbaugh's like one, you know, completely different end of
this spectrum there, like extreme with this kind of you know,
raw raw stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Right. But a coach like me.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Or that I had was Steve Sarkisian and Pete Carroll,
and they both had different ways of getting you fired up.
Where sark would kind of give you a look. He
had a little grood into him like a little man
you ready to go, and just kind of like nudge
you a little bit, not like in front of cameras
and stuff, but kind of like in the in the
(27:58):
walkway out to the game or like you know, you're
walking out to the grass and it's like right before
you hit the field, like let's do this, baby, And
you know, like he's locked in and fired up for you,
where Pete Pete would tell you a story the night
before and gets you jacked up, and then during the
game something would happen and he'd remind you of it,
like what did I say last night? Hey, this is
(28:18):
exactly what we wanted, baby. Other people get nervous. We
know what to do. We know exactly what to do.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Let's go, baby, come on.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
You know, like you just have different ways of connecting
with those guys, and that's a harball thing. He wants
to be physical, you know, like physical touch is obviously
his love language, and he just and it's it's very
like college recruiter, you know, when you meet these kids
and stuff, like when you go through that whole recruiting circuit,
all these coaches see your measurables, but they want to
(28:45):
feel like, are you a legit like two eighty five
or you like a little flabby, like what's going on?
They touch your arms, you know, and that's a very
harball thing, you know. He kind of big tough handshake,
kind of grab the back of your try set make
sure you're you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Like, that's that's very him.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I find him first of all all of his
rebuild jobs, he had to go find a quarterback. This
is the only one. Yeah, I guess in San Diego.
Maybe maybe not the first college job, but you know,
he had to go recruit sure Andrew like JJ McCarthy,
and he had to recreate some stuff. I think he's
(29:22):
just so grateful that not only did he inherit a quarterback,
but he's really special.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
And I mean you heard him.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
He's obviously not lacking self confidence Jim Harbaugh, but he said,
you know, I like to think of myself as the
toughest quarterback ever, you know, So like I'm like, okay,
he knocked himself down one and butt justin like, yeah, okay,
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Let's see that kind of stuff. It I think it.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
You know, he's trying to trying to put his blueprint
on this his his thumbprint on this team because they've
been more of a finesse unit since we can remember, right.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
The Founts is the fan rivers.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, like throw him for four hundred yards a game,
not ground and pound and you know, punch you in
the mouth.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So he's changing the culture.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Mark Sanchez absolutely money thanks to Joel Klatt, Josh McDaniel,
stop by in and studio. We hope he returns as well.
Your ten years of experience in the NFL. Doing a
great job as a broadcaster. Mark, We appreciate it. We'll
see tomorrow. What's the herd
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