November 14, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films about the Eagles offense, Kyler Murray, Caleb Williams's struggles and if we should be blaming the offensive line
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, it's our two Greg Cosel NFL films
forty five years. In a couple of minute, He's great, boy,
He's got good stuff. Today. We have an interesting slate
of games this week starts tonight Philadelphia at home, big
rivalry game against Washington. I like Philadelphia. I think it's
a very tough spot to take a rookie quarterback, very
little trap on the road, to face the mold town
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and roster. Probably in the NFC, it's up there with
Detroit and San Francisco. That's a tough spot for a rookie.
I also think if you look at the reality of
what's happened to the Commanders, they lost to the Ravens,
they lost to the Steelers, they lost healthy Tampa team.
Cliff Kingsbury's history is his offenses get worse over the
course of a season. I like Philadelphia to cover tonight,
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and Philadelphia's had a great five weeks. They are hummon.
The Steelers are Hummond. The Eagles are hummon. Now the weather,
it gets cold, when it gets a little chilli. It's real,
big boy football. It's physicality, and that's why the Chiefs
had become a very physical team and why Buffalo with
Sean McDermott, will always be a physical team. But you'll
see a little separation here over the last couple of weeks.
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And it's one of the things I love, you know,
It's one of the things I love about football. We
were talking about this last hour. I'm going to throw
this back. We were talking about Wemby had fifty points
last night. He's an amazing player, but he is averaging
eight and a half threes a game where he's virtually
unstoppable ten feet in. But that's NBA basketball is about
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mathematics and equations. NFL football has analytics, but it's about
the individuals of the player. You coach Lamar Jackson different
than Jared Goff. You coach a sideline receiver different than
Julian Edelman, a slot receiver in football, Pro football you
find out what your players can do, and that becomes
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your offense and defense. In the NBA, everybody plays the
same go shoot threes. Yeah, but I'm seven to four
and dominate the inside. Go shoot threes. So Wemby's rebounding
stats are down because he's way outside, and I understand it,
but I think in the regular season it gets boring.
It's just esthetically, it's just all threes and dunks. I mean,
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can you imagine in the NFL think about this if
analytics said the offense is tush push or bombs. No
more screens, no more underneath. Just tush, push and bombs
is the way to win, would it be as interesting
to watch.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
In the NBA's ratings right now are in the tank,
and they've been on a downward trend as the league
because becomes increasingly threes in dunks. And I don't mind
Steph Curry shooting threes, but when you take a seven
foot four guy and say, yeah, just go just go
shoot threes. I mean Anthony Davis a couple of years
ago started shooting too many threes. He went back inside.
I thought last year he was a top three player
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in the league. I don't want to see seven foot
four guys jacking up threes. I like the layering. I
like the layering of football. I like screen passes. I
like the tush push. I like over the top. Kansas
City narrow they went two years after trading Tyreek Hill.
They never threw the ball down the field. It was
death by a thousand cuts. That's fun to me. I
like the layering of NFL football. There's some analytics, but
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not everybody buys into him. In the NBA, the league
is now in the regular season, threes are dunks.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Nothing in the middle. So that's why I like the
NBA playoffs, where you get it's more about individual possessions,
like hey, eighty eight minute thirty in the third quarter,
we need to stop, or this guy's got four fouls,
go at him, pick up a fifth. It becomes very situational.
That's my favorite kind of football, my favorite in basketball.
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But I do think in the regular season Baseball's done this.
Home runs are shrikeouts, no ground balls. But I think
Baseball's done a really good job to shorten their games.
That's helped attendance in rating. So Baseball the pendulum swinging
back and forth with analytics, but they've been very smart
on regular season. You know, you put a runner on
second base if you go to extra innings. Nobody wants
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a six hour Majorague Baseball game on a Tuesday. Baseball's
also sped the game up and it absolutely helps. I mean,
in regular season games are like two hours and thirty
four minutes. I mean, if you get at Dodger Stadium,
you show up in the fourth inning, you show up
thirty minutes late, you could be top of the fourth
if you have two aces throwing heat. So I just
think that Wemby shooting eight and a half threes, I
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don't think it's that appealing to me, but you know
that's what the math says. But if they get to
the playoffs and it's a tie game one o four,
one oh four and there's two minutes left, you know
what I'm going to be doing. Get Wemby the ball
within six feet. I don't want him jacking threes up.
That's just my take on it. With that, Greg Cosel
forty five NFL films joins us. Now, all right, let's
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just start Shane Waldren. Somebody had to get moved because
Chicago's been a mess. Now for three weeks. Shane Waldren
got canned as the OC. You watched the film, What
did you make of that move by the Bears.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, I think we know Caleb Williams isn't getting benched
and we know he's not getting traded, so they felt
they had to make a move.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't think it's warranted.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Don't forget Shane Waldron three years ago was the same
coach who revitalized Gino Smith's career. So Shane Waldron did
not become an idiot. So a few things, and I
actually brought my notes Colin because I didn't want to
be didn't want to say any of this wrong, because
I've obviously watched everyone of Caleb Williams snaps this year,
and I think over the last two years at USC,
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I probably watched fifteen of his games on coaching tape.
So I'm just gonna read a couple of things, which
I normally don't do, but I think it's appropriate. So
right now, everything is happening too fast for Williams. He's
not been able to slow down the game mentally, so
he gets stuck in the pocket waiting, and you can't
do that at this point. He too often lacks an
effective internal pocket clock, which also forces him to stay
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in the pocket too long holding the ball. And the
last point is he's a slow recognizer and processor. He's
not making the needed connection between route concepts and coverage.
So all this leads to an increased number of sacks. Now,
obviously there are times when his O line is poor
and the sacks are not on him. But remember one thing,
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and I remember speaking to a lot of coaches and
evaluators about this during the draft process.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
In two years at USC, he got.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Sacked over eighty times, and there are a lot of
people that were concerned that that was not just an
O line issue at USC, that that was.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A Caleb Williams issue.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And right now it's coming to fruition a bit in
the league. So this was not a Shane Waldron problem
at all.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's great stuff. I appreciate it. And by the way,
Matt Hasselbeck has come on this show having watched film
and said most of the exact same thing is that
he's just and we've seen this before. Some of these
young guys are really good. I mean, I think Mahomes
has recognized this stuff so quickly. I think there's some
guy I thought Zach Wilson and Justin Fields were guys
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that struggled to recognize coverage, and they were both athletic
with good arms, So I think it really is a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Stroud very quickly could recognize the defense. Let it rip.
It's not. This is a hard position and some guys
just the game speeds up and it takes him a
long time to get comfortable. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
And by the way, this is not to say that
he'll never be a good quarterback. This is what we
have up to the point right now. This is not
a knock on his entire career.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know that we've seen things change. This is where
we are right now, and he needs a lot of improvement.
The problem is now is so many quarterbacks come in
the league as brands and stars, and that's the way
they get treated. So if they don't play well, it's
viewed as everybody else's fault, but the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And right now he just has a ways to go.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, So Philadelphia host Washington tonight. Eagles running the ball
Hurts has become much more efficient. What is the secret
sauce to the Eagles run game. Is it just O
line personnel and Saquon.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, yeah, I mean more or less.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think they have a really good old line, really
good run blocking O line. It's a big O line.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
When you look at their two guards, they might be
the two biggest guards in the league with Landon Dickerson
and Mackai Beckton.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
But I don't think Barkley has ever looked.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Better in his entire career because I watched Barkley since
his Penn State days, and despite his size and the
fact that he looks like Tarzan, he was never really
a truly physical, sustaining type runner. He was always an
explosive runner. This year he's been very, very physical and
getting hard earned yards between the tackles, and that has
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really helped this offense. The offense really starts with Barkley.
I think he either has the first or the second
most first down carries per game in the league. So
they start with him, and don't forget you. Now add
in the Hertz factor as a runner, which is really
really important both by design and the scrambling element. So
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the running dimension of Hurts and his ability to throw
outside the numbers vertical balls really adds to what they
can do because they have very, very good receivers who
can work effectively outside the numbers.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Every team Aaron Rodgers is on, there's a lot of
finger pointing. Jets offense, yep off four days extra prep
against Arizona was a nothing burger. What did the tape
say about Aaron and his offense?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Yeah, something is wrong there in terms of protection. Now,
we'd have to assume, because Aaron Rodgers has seen everything
in his career and is incredib smart, that the issue
is not his.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We don't know that, but you have to assume that.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
But I have never seen if you go back over
the last four games, Colin, I have never seen so
many free runners at Aaron Rodgers. You could go through
five years in Green Bay and never see that. And
in the last four games there's just been so many
free hitters, as we say, at Aaron Rodgers. So somewhere
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there's a major disconnect between Rogers and the protection. And
maybe it's the back. I don't think Breese Hall is
great in pass pro. I love the way he runs
and I love the way he catches, but I don't
know if.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He's really good in pass pro.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
But somewhere there's something missing in terms of pass protection
with this team.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So it's interesting the Niners brought back Christian McCaffrey. Their
special teams are so egregiously bad. That's part of it.
But I made this argument that half the league feels
like they're running a variation of this offense. So the
element of surprise with a jet suite by Deebo Samuel
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doesn't see it, seems like the league's seen it. By
the way McVeigh came into this league, he's had to
kind of transform his offense a little bit. People caught
up to it. Maybe it's the Niners age or injuries.
But because I thought perty played very well against Tampa,
this offense doesn't feel like it's fooling people enough. Does
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the film.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Say that, Well, I don't know if I describe any
good offense in the league as fooling people. Because coaches
coach against coaches, they know what the offense is. It's
how you get to what you do. There's not a
thousand run concepts, there's not a thousand route concepts.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's how you get to them.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So it's the use of formation, it's the use of shifts,
it's the use of motion, So now that McCaffrey's back,
and we saw this last week, we saw that the
things they can do, the options they have in terms
of motion shifting, where they align people formationally, that now
expands dramatically, and that's what creates space, because ultimately, all
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pass games, particularly if you're playing against zone, is about spacing.
How do you create space? How do you get people
into voids? How do you put defenders who have multiple
responsibilities in zone?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How do you put them in conflict?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
That's what the pass game is about versus zone, and
the Niners now once McCaffrey's there, they can create that
space much more efficiently because they can use McCaffrey and
Samuel as movement players more so than McCaffrey when he
was not there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Let's talk about another team, Detroit. We sort of lament
their defense. We lament their defense, but Aiden Hutcheson Leaves
and the truth is it's an excellent third down defense
with him or without him. Yeah, And I don't think
their defense is their offense. But we've gotten to a
point now like their defense is really good situationally on
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third down? What is the film say? Is the personnel
better if they hit on draft picks.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
We rarely talk about this in football because we always
think of corners and edge rushers, Right, That's what we
think about with defense, and those are the premium positions.
But the Lions in some ways are old school Colin Defensively,
they may be the best defense in the league.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Up the middle.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have two really good dtackles in McNeil and Reeder.
They've got two really good stacked backers, and Angeloni and
Campbell who are both big, and those are traits. Azeloni's
six three two forty five, Campbell's six five, two fifty
those are traits. And they arguably, arguably could have the
best safety duo in the league in Kirby Joseph and
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Brian Branch. They are really really good down the middle.
They have a high blitz percentage. They are really good
with their blitz schemes. They play a lot of man coverage,
they are aggressive, they attack, and as I said, down
the middle of their defense, that may be the best
in the league.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
All Right, Bill's Chiefs matchup this weekend. I do think
this is the best version of Buffalo. James Cook gives
him a real run game. I think by adding Amari Cooper,
who's sort of a low maintenance, volume target guy, the rookie.
I think this is the best version of Buffalo offensively,
but again, Kansas City's defense on any situational play maybe
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the best we've seen in years. What do you expect
with all your forty five years of experience in NFL films,
what are you looking for this weekend in that matchup?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Well, we have a large sample size because it seems
these teams play every year, sometimes twice a year, as
they did a year ago.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
If you go back to that divisional playoff.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Game last year, which I looked at this week, you'll
see that the Bills offense was very conservative, almost risk averse.
They played the game to minimize risk. Their longest play
in that game was eighteen yards, and I'm curious to
see because, believe it or not, with Josh Allen, they
are not really an aggressive of passing team down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
There.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I think the feeling was, let's get Josh into rhythm,
let's get the ball out of his hands, let's get
a comfortable feel.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Let's let it work with our run game.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
And that may be a good strategy against the Chiefs
because the last thing you want are our long yarded situations.
Because there is no defensive coordinator in the league as
good as Steve Spagnolo at using defensive backs in his
blitz packages. And now that works against a team like
the Bills, because you know Allan will move. But now
if you have corners and safeties trying to run him down,
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obviously that's a lot better than d lineman and linebackers.
So I'm very intrigued in this game to see how
the Bills choose to play offense.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So one of the things in this business I try
to fight by myself is confirmation bias. I have picks.
I want my picks to be right, and so I
hold on to my picks, you know, like Denver Broncos,
I thought we're going to be way better. So so
far I look good, but it could it could get turbulent.
So I looked at Arizona and I'm like, and I like,
Kyler Murray, we'll see. And you know, it's like, don't forget.
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They went up to Santa Clara in one and they
were down ten to Miami in the fourth and one,
and we just watched Miami tear apart the Rams, and
I look at that offense in the last several games, Greg,
and this is what you do for a living. It
to me is a lot of a lot. It is
a tie in players, it's multiple the quarterback moves. It
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just looks like it would be a pain in the
butt to face. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, well, here's something really interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
When I watched that tape this week, I came away
and said to myself, I don't think there was one
drop back where Kyler Murray moved.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I don't know if I can recall a game like that.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
He dropped back twenty seven or twenty eight times something
like that, maybe a few less.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
He did not move one time, Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Everything he threw was from the pocket, with refinement, with timing,
and that means that the coaching staff is doing a
really good job with their route concepts and route design
so that when Kyler hits his back foot, he feels
really comfortable delivering the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So he again, that's not going to happen every week.
We know that.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And then of course you're seeing this touchdown. Where his
run game by design, really becomes a big factor.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Is in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
But they actually have a lot of weapons McBride is
a really good tight end. You can make the argument
that he has now moved into the top three or
four as a receiver as a tight end because he
has three level ability. He can be vertical, intermediate, and short,
and he's very good run after the catch. And I
remember watching him coming out of Colorado State and I
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really liked him, and he's really become the player I
thought he could be. But they have a lot of
weapons and Murray. You know, it's always with quarterbacks. You
know this because you look at quarterbacks in the draft.
Quarterbacks have strengths and they have weaknesses. So what do
you try to do as a coordinator. You try to
maximize the strengths minimize the weaknesses. So Kyler Murray, because
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he's short, you want to be able to have him
hit that back foot and deliver the football because he
can't sit in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Bodies get too close to him.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And then, yes, he's great improvisationally, but you can't make
a living like that. So now they're doing such a
good job of matching the route concepts with what he
is and the ball's coming out and they've got pretty
good skilled people.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, Okay, now let's let's let's wrap it up for
the next three or four minutes on Russell Wilson, and
I think basically, Russell Wilson's the kind of quarterback that
got guys like Kyler Murray drafted or a Johnny Manziel.
He like, we never want smaller quarterbacks. So I kind
of thought I loved Russell for years. You always had questions.
I loved him more, and then I kind of bailed
on him. I had Pete Carroll didn't want him, Sean
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Payton didn't want him, players would criticize him. I'm like, yeah,
that's wrong. It just it's over. Well. I feel like
I'm getting eighty percent of the old Russ. He's not
as elusive, but the deep ball is back, is it?
I mean, what's the film say?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, it's the Seattle model.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I mean, keep in mind that in this last game
that Warren and Harris combined for thirty five carries, and
it was a game in which they were down by
ten in the third quarter. So it's basically the Seattle model.
It's a run game as the foundation, and it's a
defense that's really good. They probably have one of the
top what five to six defenses in the league, and
they have great individuals.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
On defense that can change games.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
So that's the way you have to play with Russell
Wilson because he's really good at certain things, great deep
ball thrower, has a feel for the game, particularly in
critical moments. But he's not a true drop back progression reader.
So you have to play to what he is. Just
what we said, you play the strengths, you minimize the weaknesses.
But he's played really well and if you really can
define it for him, he can make throws. And of
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course the touchdown he hit to Williams was just a ridiculous,
big time throw as he was falling backward. I couldn't
believe it when I saw it live, and I couldn't
believe it when.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I watched the tape.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
But I want to show you a play callin this
will be our play that we'll talk about, you know,
because I think this is really how you help a
quarterback and how you define it for him. All So
if we can go to the play from last week,
which I think really speaks to the job that they're doing,
and then the job that he's doing, because you still
have to execute it really well. And by the way,
George Pickens. Pretty talented guy. So now what we're going
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to see is we're going to see Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
In the gun here.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Okay, and this is an empty set, so empty of
course means that there's no backs.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Nobody is in the backfield with Wilson.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
So now what you're going to get here is from
a defensive standpoint, is you're going to get coverage rotation.
The coverage is going to rotate to the trip's side
of the formation, to the three receiver side, so that
safety up top, he's going to move and rotate to
the trip side. So now what you're going to get
is what we call a high low concept to the
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twins side. To the two receiver side, you're going to
get a short sit route and the inbreaker by George Pickens,
and the corner is playing off coverage, so Pickens will
be clean in his release, free access off the ball.
So now this is basically you're reading the corner. The
slot corner will be the read. If he sits low,
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then you're going to throw it to Pickens, okay if
he if he drops back, you're going to throw the
sit route in front of him. So the corner tells
you there you see him drop back, so then you
throw the shorter route. Now there's one other key factor
here that Wilson has to make sure of.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well, that's his read.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
He has to make sure that the mic and that's Wagner,
a very savvy player, one of his old teammates. He
has to make sure that he doesn't slide into the
passing lane if he wants to throw the inbreaker. So
now he gets him to move by looking at him. Okay,
so he gets him to move his body to the
trip side, and now he looks to see where the
slot corner is.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Where's the slot corner? He stayed low on the sit route.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
So now with the off coverage corner, he's got George
Pickens wide open on the inbreaker, and this becomes pitch
and catch and Pickens. You know, I've said this before
that Pickens at this moment in time, Colin, he's not
in the top five in terms of receivers overall, but
in terms of physical talent and traits, he would be
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in the top five.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He just has to become that player.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
But all the talent and all the traits are there,
and he certainly is a vertical dimension. And you talked
about Wilson being a great deep ball thrower. So they've
now got Pickens and Williams who are both vertical dimensions.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, Pickens is thin, but he's really really strong. He
bowls over corners and safeties. He's just a unique athlete
that size and strength. Greg Cosel forty five years NFL
film says, always Greg, great.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Stuff, Thanks, Colin, appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
See did you see j mack his love for the
Arizona Cardinals a team.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
I was just texting someone who is close to the
Arizona Cardinals and asking them about what he was just saying.
And I'm this Arizona stuff is getting a little over blow.
It's like Arizona Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Oh, we love them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
They're great.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
They've played great for a few games in a row.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Now settle down. Neither can sniff the Detroit Lions. Neither
can sniff the Kansas City Chiefs. Let's just keep it
in perspective, all right, that's a that's a take. That's
a reasonable take.
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
Like, we have our big ten bets. J. Mack's been
on a heater. I mean he's You've been on a
season long heater. It's not even a heater anymore. It's
just who you are. You're just You're twenty five game winner.
Your Kershawn is pride, not You're not even hot. That's
just who you are. It's what I do. It's it's right,
It's exactly, it's what you do. Jmack with a news
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Speaker 2 (23:49):
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Speaker 6 (23:52):
All right, Commander's Eagles tonight in an NFC showdown.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I think we both like the Eagles here.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Jayden Daniels had led has led Washington's offense to a
top five status this season, and Nick Sirianni knows the rookies'
performance presents a big challenge.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's came out on fire. He's got the team, his
team playing really well. Hats off to their coaches. We'll
have a challenge.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Here this week.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But I can't say enough good things about him. You
know how he can, how he's going to the right
place with the football being accurate, the things he can
do with it when he does, you know, when things
do break down a lot of respect for him, and
we'll have our hands full.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
He's good. I think it's an advantage. You know, when
you play these mobile quarterbacks and they're in division and
you get him multiple times a year, I think it's
a big advantage. I think it's very hard to face
with Jayden Daniels, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen when
you just don't see him a lot. It's just hard.
So I think over the course of time, if I
had to face Jaden Daniels, I mean, he's going to
be great. But you know, also with Jalen Hurts at practice,
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they know what mobility is from a QUARTERBA.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
This kind of comes down to AJ Brown. Not to
take it off Washington too much, but you saw you
showed your numbers earlier with the Eagles. With AJ Brown,
they're unstoppable, like their offense is. You can't really stop them.
Washington doesn't have a guy like that. But we likes
Terry McLaurin. But these Eagles young cornerbacks, the two not
freshburn rookies. They got Hooper Dejene and the other kid.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
They're playing at a high level.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
PFF says, they're both like elite cornerbacks already. I don't
know if Washington moves the ball easily.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I like the undertone. You like a high scoring game
or no.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
No. I there's two or three things I like on
Thursday Night. The home team, if they're any good, go
against young quarterbacks. So like two things. I really like
Philadelphia generally, the better defense. You're not you're not doing
a lot of you know, I mean, all you're doing
is walkthroughs. You're not you're not hitting this week. You're
doing some full speed stuff, but it's mostly like walkthroughs.
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Like you know, somebody was at Hasslebacker. Somebody came out
and talked. Josh McDaniels talked about that. I think yesterday.
There's just so there's only so much you can do.
That's why the NFL is at its best when it
puts division rivalry games like Baltimore Cincinnati on these Thursday
night games, so you know the personnel you can prep
before the season. That's why some of these Thursday games
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have been very good. We've gotten like divisional matchup games.
It helps.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
The only problem that hurts is these are the more
important games, like the huge tiebreaker swings and on a Thursday,
short week.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Like you said, not ideal.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
It looks like Brian Robinson's going to be a go
tonight for Washington Attacks practice.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
That's huge for them. Next up is the Chicago Bears offense.
Oh boy, where do we start? They fired O C
Shane Waldron earlier.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
This week, and reports emerged after the firing that some
veterans wanted to see Caleb Williams benched in favor of
backup Tyler Bagen. The Bear did not address the report,
but Caleb spoke to the support from his teammates.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I think they got I got full support from him.
I've gotten extra calls or people coming up to me,
you know, with this situation that just happened.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Coming up to me and saying we got your back,
We're with you.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
That kind of kind of mindset and attitude has been
what it's what it's been this past you know, this
past couple of days, and.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh, that's that's that's kind of what it's only been.
Little Rocky Greg Cosel did not pull any punches. He's
just not seeing the field.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
This is what we love to do as the media.
We love to build up the hype. He could be
the next Mahomes. You see some of the traits.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Look what he's doing, and now we're tearing him down
as their struggles.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But Mahomes got Andy Reid in a year to sit
Caleb out a year.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Is an Andy Reid guy, isn't he? And then they
coach together. Now listen, first, we got some SATs on
Caleb Williams. Here on the screen.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It all is bad since we gave him dead lasted
every category.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
This is where it gets worse. And this is the
stuff that Caleb. This is like self inflicted wounds.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So Caleb had texted the punter when he was drafted
to the Bears. You're not gonna putt too much here, Okay,
everybody's remembering that Caleb texted the punter that. And now
we have some stats where the punter has more punts
than the Bears do scoring drives. He has more punting
net yards than Caleb does passing yards.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
And it's like, I feel like it's almost open season.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
On Caleb Williams right now, because you know, his teammates
don't seem to love him. Everything's coming back in his face.
I'm rooting for him, but it's about to get worse.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Call have you looked at the schedule going forward for the.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Bear but they may win one more game this season.
I mean it, they could end up with like five
six wins maybe. I mean, look at this colin They're
gonna they're underdogs this week. They're gonna be underdogs against
the Vikings, against the Lions, they're probably gonna get destroyed
by the Niners. Vikings, Lions, see like they're not gonna
be favored. I don't think the rest of the way.
(28:53):
May be at home against Seattle their favorite, but unlike yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, it just go.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's rough. They're the NFL did them some favors early
with Tennessee and you know the Colts, Carolina Jags early
by so that the league tried to do it. I mean,
nobody knew Washington was going to be this good or Arizona.
So I do think the league, you know, they gave
Jim Harbob very winnable opener. I think the league has
always built schedules, maximized the star players, and try to
create narratives. It's not unfair. It's their league. They can
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schedule what they want. But they backloaded the Chicago schedule
hoping probably for a lot of success early and then
you know, it kind of pulls people in big market Chicago.
But it's you know, it's like this is a hard
league to figure out.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
We diagnosed this in August.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
In fact, you know, maybe even earlier than that, because
remember we I think both said pull the plug of
eb What do you do?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:42):
And now if they win five games, were you wasted
a year of Caleb Williams Right now you're gonna have
to go search for a coach. It's just all bad
in Chicago. Shout out to Bears fans.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Final story, Colin and uh oh boy is a big one.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
So Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter expected to be two
of the top picks in the twenty twenty five draft.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
So the draft order is taking shape.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
And yesterday Dion Sanders in an appearance here on FS
one on Speak and Keishawn Johnson asked him where he
wants to see schidor land listen closely.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
Somebody that can handle the quarterback that he is. Somebody
that can handle understanding that what he's capable of, someone
that has had success in the past handling quarterbacks, or
someone in an organization understands what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
You told them, Hey, man, I ain't taking that psyche
test with the giants.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
Will you step in and do some of that if
it's the wrong organization to say he ain't going there. Yeah, yeah,
but I'm not going to do a public I do
a private.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Okay, So you said you're gonna be dead, You're gonna
be dead, you gonna be dead.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh, Col's come home, yes, sir, and Enmitch Travis as well.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't have a problem
with it because I watched John Elway and Eli Manning's
dad step in. Uh at least Eli Manning, and I
love Archie Manning. But there are a lot of incompetent
owners and organizations, and you get one shot at this.
If you fail early, you almost never get a second
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legit shot. You become a bounce around guy like Sam Darnold.
So I get it, Like I like, I think Brian
Dabole would be great because he's had Josh Allen. Oh really, well,
I think you got a number one receiver, you got
a great defense, and I think Brian Dables an offensive
coach who had a very active athletic quarterback in Josh Allen.
But most of this stuff here, Titans, Browns, Raiders, Patriots, Saints.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
So what happens if I don't know the Saints get
the number one pick. It's if Deion Sanders is gonna
say he's not going there.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sorry, who's the coach? Who's the coach?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
And what about the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean, like Raiders have no proof they can develop the.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Quarterableth into can of worms. Like we all knew that
this is coming, So this bothers you. I mean, it
depends what an organization am I.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's weird because we all want to be good parents,
and you could say, just get out of the way,
and most parents should ninety nine percent should get out
of the way. This is number one pick in the
NFL draft. In a sport, thirty percent of the owners
are awful. Forty to fifty percent of the coaches should
be coordinators. They're just not head coaches. So I mean,
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look at Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert finally has a legitimate coach.
Oh god, he's one of the top five quarterbacks in
the league. He's been bailing water for years with them.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
The toughest part.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Is I agree with what he I agree with the
sentiment I want my kid to go to a good place.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Who doesn't.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
But if I'm the league and I'm looking at this colin,
you know what the next step is. Right, if you're
one of these teams that Shau George drafted by, start
looking over your shoulder. If you're the head coach, because
Deon Sanders is going to be coming, you're gonna hear
the chatter the second he's drafted, even if it's Dabel Colin.
If it's Dabel and they win six games at three
straight years, don't playoffs, and Deon Sanders will be coaching them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Okay the following year.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Remember before the draft, we heard rumors that Caleb Williams
was not a fan of going to Chicago. I think
maybe this morning he regrets it. I mean we heard
those stories. I brought it. I was told this, remember that,
not that it was a controversy, but I had said.
I was told by a saw Chicago was not the
perfect bit. But Caleb was going to be a nice
guy and play along. It's funny, Washington quarterback Sean Payton's
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got a quarterback without as much talent. So I'm going
to defend the kid here and the data in a
rare situation, right. Is that when the Caleb Williams story broke,
I was told and then it got public a coward said,
and then you know Caleb came out and said no, no,
no, no no. But I was told privately there were concerns. Well,
you're seeing the concerns.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
From their perspective. It's fine, but look at it from
the team perspective. Let's take the Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Car. Do you want to draft Shudue Sanders? Yes, okay,
So Antonio Pierce, who's your head coach? You just he's gone.
You just get him out of there, get Dianna and
his head goat because that's the next stime. Well, and
I don't see that there's anything wrong with that, but
just know that that's he's They're going to take over
your organization, Dion and Shoudor, which maybe is a good
thing because they're, you know, a pretty good coach, quarterback combo.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Right now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
All I know is if I have the number one
pick and I don't have a quarterback, I'm taking Shudeur Sanders.
I'll deal with the repercussions later. I don't think prime,
I don't think Dion's going to be a headache. I
think Dion's going to be a proud father if he
goes to an offensive coach in an organization he trusts. Unfortunately,
most teams drafting in the top five, you.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Can't trust New York Jets trust that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, if Woody Johnson wasn't in the picture and it
was Chris Johnson, I would be more into that.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Is Chris Johnson a real person?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, you know Chris Johnson is Christopher Johnson. Yeah, Christopher Johnson. Yeah,
So I just I think again, I'm not a big
fan of helicopter parents in sports. It's a it's a
real problem. But el Way, Eli Manning, Eli Manning's dad.
Eli's like, he's not going to the Chargers. We're not
doing it. Yeah, I totally get that, And but I
worked out pretty well with New York.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
It did work out pretty well. Yeah, John Alway as well.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Right, It's not like I just do what I do.
I can get multiple chances, but a quarterback gets one shot.
Sometimes you get a second, but rarely Baker got a second.
Not big money, though Sam got a second chance. Minnesota's
gonna move on there, guys, geta Drew Brees was an
injury situation where a doctor wouldn't give them the okay
to play in Miami. But but but it's it's just
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very very rare. Generally, people make decisions. And by the way,
Justin Fields were like, well he deserves the minute Russell
Wilson went there and starts winning games. We're all like, yeah,
Justin Field's a backup.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
And realize society's changing. Social media has changed things. I
mean COVID change.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Like, there's so much change happening that I think we've
got to open our minds and be like, I think
we're this isn't just the first in a.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
While, right, There's gonna be more of these these parents.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well, when you're not clear if it would be different
if there were six, like last year's quarterback class or
the one with Burrow and two and Herbert, it's one thing.
If there's like four or five guys we all like,
but Dion's got left Bridge. There is one quarterback that
you would take number one. Cam Ward's not a number
one pick. He may work, but he doesn't. I don't
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feel like he's a number one pick quarterback. Probably a
first round guy. But again, last year, there have been years.
One year we had Hurtz Herbert Burrow tua. I mean,
I'm miss him somebody. But it was like, okay, then
I'll just just won't pick him. I'll move down. Deon knows,
Deon smart, he's been in this game for a long gut,
he knows he's got the guy. And Travis Hunter arguably
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is the second best player. He may go number two.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
When's the last would you have a guest in your life?
Who are the two best players in college football? Heah,
they played for Colorado. So for anybody questioning Deon Sanders,
that's pretty remarkable. Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
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All right, we do it every week. At this time,
it is our big bets.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Matt make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
All right, I'm gonna take the under forty seven points
on UCLA and Washington. The Bruins top seven rush defense
in college football and Washington's offense getting worse. They're struggling,
but they do defend the pass well. The Huskies have
the number one pass defense. I think it's a competitive game.
UCLA's played very well against Iowa. They're leading with defense.
(37:51):
I think it's low scoring. It's a go either way
game to me. But the under forty seven is tasty.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, I'm shocker. I'm with you on that under forty seven.
That's also one of my bets. I think we're seven
and zero when we both.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Have the same bets.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
After the one in five start for UCLA, they've just
been cooking, tough.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Team, playing a lot of defensive minding football. I like
under forty seven.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I'm gonna take Nebraska plus nine and a half if
they win their bowl eligible and USC's got a sanction
on their hands. It is a mess. Their defense, which
was good early, has really deteriorated it. They are not
getting a consistent pass rush two and five against Big
ten teams. Yeah, they're at home, but how many people
show up. It's not a home field advantage, and I'll
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be honest with you, first game under Dana Holderson, the
new coordinator at Nebraska, a lot of experience. I think
Nebraska's offense shows. I think they have a chance to
win this game. I'm taking the points within Nebraska nine
and a half.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
Okay, I will get an ugly dog. This one has
some fleas.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Northwestern plus twenty nine and a half against the Ohio
State Buckeyes. This is simply another one of these look
ahead plays. Ohio State next year, our next week. Sorry,
with the game of the Big Ten weekend against Indiana.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
Undefeated Indiana next week.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
I'm gonna go ahead and guess Ryan Day doesn't want
to force any guys to play four quarters here. I
think they powered down early coast to like a twenty
seven to seven victory.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm gonna take Oregon minus fourteen. Their offensive line was
a mess against Idaho and Boise State. They're now allowing
one sack of game. Best in the Big Ten. Dylan Gabriel,
this is the fastest team in the Big Ten. And
let's be honest about Wisconsin. It's not exactly a quarterback factory.
I mean, it's just not They've They've been held under
fifteen points in back to back games. They're a little
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banged up again. Wisconsin can be a tough environment. They
can't score, and nobody has shown the ability least of
all Ohio state. Nobody stops Oregon when they're focused. It
is a big ten game. I can I'll lay the
fourteen points with Oregon. Damn.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
I'm with you as well, Oregon minus fourteen.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Listen, it's a bleak big ten slate this week, but
Oregon should lay the lumber to Wisconsin.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
The Badgers. I'm in their garbage right now. Honestly, you
look at the last three games.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
They're playing so bad, can't do anything right. This is
an Oregon pick your score forty two fourteen.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Yeah, you know, do they do.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Jump around if Oregon's winning by a million points at
the end of.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
The third I think they do jump around out to
their car and leave camp Randall. I think it's ugly.
So yeah, we we agree on two of our three picks.
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the twelve team playoffs.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
Bring it on, baby.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
How about that Dan Lanning story. NFL is looking at
the Ducks head coach. They think he has a Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
I asked Bruce Fellman on my podcast about Ryan Day,
the Ohio's date coach.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
If they win the Natty, does he say I'm done?
I don't need any of his headaches? Let me go
to the NFL. Problem is the NFL job openings aren't.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Good this year?
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Why would Lanning leave Oregon?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Oh? This year bad? It is not a good you.
The Saints job salary cap Hell, if I don't have
a quarterback, I'll stay in college. Hour three next
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Here we go, it's our two Greg Cosel NFL films
forty five years. In a couple of minute, He's great, boy,
He's got good stuff. Today. We have an interesting slate
of games this week starts tonight Philadelphia at home, big
rivalry game against Washington. I like Philadelphia. I think it's
a very tough spot to take a rookie quarterback, very
little trap on the road, to face the mold town
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and roster. Probably in the NFC, it's up there with
Detroit and San Francisco. That's a tough spot for a rookie.
I also think if you look at the reality of
what's happened to the Commanders, they lost to the Ravens,
they lost to the Steelers, they lost healthy Tampa team.
Cliff Kingsbury's history is his offenses get worse over the
course of a season. I like Philadelphia to cover tonight,
(01:09):
and Philadelphia's had a great five weeks. They are hummon.
The Steelers are Hummond. The Eagles are hummon. Now the weather,
it gets cold, when it gets a little chilli. It's real,
big boy football. It's physicality, and that's why the Chiefs
had become a very physical team and why Buffalo with
Sean McDermott, will always be a physical team. But you'll
see a little separation here over the last couple of weeks.
(01:30):
And it's one of the things I love, you know,
It's one of the things I love about football. We
were talking about this last hour. I'm going to throw
this back. We were talking about Wemby had fifty points
last night. He's an amazing player, but he is averaging
eight and a half threes a game where he's virtually
unstoppable ten feet in. But that's NBA basketball is about
(01:53):
mathematics and equations. NFL football has analytics, but it's about
the individuals of the player. You coach Lamar Jackson different
than Jared Goff. You coach a sideline receiver different than
Julian Edelman, a slot receiver in football, Pro football you
find out what your players can do, and that becomes
(02:15):
your offense and defense. In the NBA, everybody plays the
same go shoot threes. Yeah, but I'm seven to four
and dominate the inside. Go shoot threes. So Wemby's rebounding
stats are down because he's way outside, and I understand it,
but I think in the regular season it gets boring.
It's just esthetically, it's just all threes and dunks. I mean,
(02:35):
can you imagine in the NFL think about this if
analytics said the offense is tush push or bombs. No
more screens, no more underneath. Just tush, push and bombs
is the way to win, would it be as interesting
to watch.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
In the NBA's ratings right now are in the tank,
and they've been on a downward trend as the league
because becomes increasingly threes in dunks. And I don't mind
Steph Curry shooting threes, but when you take a seven
foot four guy and say, yeah, just go just go
shoot threes. I mean Anthony Davis a couple of years
ago started shooting too many threes. He went back inside.
I thought last year he was a top three player
(03:12):
in the league. I don't want to see seven foot
four guys jacking up threes. I like the layering. I
like the layering of football. I like screen passes. I
like the tush push. I like over the top. Kansas
City narrow they went two years after trading Tyreek Hill.
They never threw the ball down the field. It was
death by a thousand cuts. That's fun to me. I
like the layering of NFL football. There's some analytics, but
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not everybody buys into him. In the NBA, the league
is now in the regular season, threes are dunks.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Nothing in the middle. So that's why I like the
NBA playoffs, where you get it's more about individual possessions,
like hey, eighty eight minute thirty in the third quarter,
we need to stop, or this guy's got four fouls,
go at him, pick up a fifth. It becomes very situational.
That's my favorite kind of football, my favorite in basketball.
(04:00):
But I do think in the regular season Baseball's done this.
Home runs are shrikeouts, no ground balls. But I think
Baseball's done a really good job to shorten their games.
That's helped attendance in rating. So Baseball the pendulum swinging
back and forth with analytics, but they've been very smart
on regular season. You know, you put a runner on
second base if you go to extra innings. Nobody wants
(04:21):
a six hour Majorague Baseball game on a Tuesday. Baseball's
also sped the game up and it absolutely helps. I mean,
in regular season games are like two hours and thirty
four minutes. I mean, if you get at Dodger Stadium,
you show up in the fourth inning, you show up
thirty minutes late, you could be top of the fourth
if you have two aces throwing heat. So I just
think that Wemby shooting eight and a half threes, I
(04:43):
don't think it's that appealing to me, but you know
that's what the math says. But if they get to
the playoffs and it's a tie game one o four,
one oh four and there's two minutes left, you know
what I'm going to be doing. Get Wemby the ball
within six feet. I don't want him jacking threes up.
That's just my take on it. With that, Greg Cosel
forty five NFL films joins us. Now, all right, let's
(05:03):
just start Shane Waldren. Somebody had to get moved because
Chicago's been a mess. Now for three weeks. Shane Waldren
got canned as the OC. You watched the film, What
did you make of that move by the Bears.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, I think we know Caleb Williams isn't getting benched
and we know he's not getting traded, so they felt
they had to make a move.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't think it's warranted.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Don't forget Shane Waldron three years ago was the same
coach who revitalized Gino Smith's career. So Shane Waldron did
not become an idiot. So a few things, and I
actually brought my notes Colin because I didn't want to
be didn't want to say any of this wrong, because
I've obviously watched everyone of Caleb Williams snaps this year,
and I think over the last two years at USC,
(05:51):
I probably watched fifteen of his games on coaching tape.
So I'm just gonna read a couple of things, which
I normally don't do, but I think it's appropriate. So
right now, everything is happening too fast for Williams. He's
not been able to slow down the game mentally, so
he gets stuck in the pocket waiting, and you can't
do that at this point. He too often lacks an
effective internal pocket clock, which also forces him to stay
(06:14):
in the pocket too long holding the ball. And the
last point is he's a slow recognizer and processor. He's
not making the needed connection between route concepts and coverage.
So all this leads to an increased number of sacks. Now,
obviously there are times when his O line is poor
and the sacks are not on him. But remember one thing,
(06:36):
and I remember speaking to a lot of coaches and
evaluators about this during the draft process.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
In two years at USC, he got.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Sacked over eighty times, and there are a lot of
people that were concerned that that was not just an
O line issue at USC, that that was.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A Caleb Williams issue.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And right now it's coming to fruition a bit in
the league. So this was not a Shane Waldron problem
at all.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's great stuff. I appreciate it. And by the way,
Matt Hasselbeck has come on this show having watched film
and said most of the exact same thing is that
he's just and we've seen this before. Some of these
young guys are really good. I mean, I think Mahomes
has recognized this stuff so quickly. I think there's some
guy I thought Zach Wilson and Justin Fields were guys
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that struggled to recognize coverage, and they were both athletic
with good arms, So I think it really is a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
C J.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Stroud very quickly could recognize the defense. Let it rip.
It's not. This is a hard position and some guys
just the game speeds up and it takes him a
long time to get comfortable. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
And by the way, this is not to say that
he'll never be a good quarterback. This is what we
have up to the point right now. This is not
a knock on his entire career.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know that we've seen things change. This is where
we are right now, and he needs a lot of improvement.
The problem is now is so many quarterbacks come in
the league as brands and stars, and that's the way
they get treated. So if they don't play well, it's
viewed as everybody else's fault, but the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And right now he just has a ways to go.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, So Philadelphia host Washington tonight. Eagles running the ball
Hurts has become much more efficient. What is the secret
sauce to the Eagles run game. Is it just O
line personnel and Saquon.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, yeah, I mean more or less.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think they have a really good old line, really
good run blocking O line. It's a big O line.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
When you look at their two guards, they might be
the two biggest guards in the league with Landon Dickerson
and Mackai Beckton.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
But I don't think Barkley has ever looked.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Better in his entire career because I watched Barkley since
his Penn State days, and despite his size and the
fact that he looks like Tarzan, he was never really
a truly physical, sustaining type runner. He was always an
explosive runner. This year he's been very, very physical and
getting hard earned yards between the tackles, and that has
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really helped this offense. The offense really starts with Barkley.
I think he either has the first or the second
most first down carries per game in the league. So
they start with him, and don't forget you. Now add
in the Hertz factor as a runner, which is really
really important both by design and the scrambling element. So
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the running dimension of Hurts and his ability to throw
outside the numbers vertical balls really adds to what they
can do because they have very, very good receivers who
can work effectively outside the numbers.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Every team Aaron Rodgers is on, there's a lot of
finger pointing. Jets offense, yep off four days extra prep
against Arizona was a nothing burger. What did the tape
say about Aaron and his offense?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Yeah, something is wrong there in terms of protection. Now,
we'd have to assume, because Aaron Rodgers has seen everything
in his career and is incredib smart, that the issue
is not his.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We don't know that, but you have to assume that.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
But I have never seen if you go back over
the last four games, Colin, I have never seen so
many free runners at Aaron Rodgers. You could go through
five years in Green Bay and never see that. And
in the last four games there's just been so many
free hitters, as we say, at Aaron Rodgers. So somewhere
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there's a major disconnect between Rogers and the protection. And
maybe it's the back. I don't think Breese Hall is
great in pass pro. I love the way he runs
and I love the way he catches, but I don't
know if.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He's really good in pass pro.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
But somewhere there's something missing in terms of pass protection
with this team.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So it's interesting the Niners brought back Christian McCaffrey. Their
special teams are so egregiously bad. That's part of it.
But I made this argument that half the league feels
like they're running a variation of this offense. So the
element of surprise with a jet suite by Deebo Samuel
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doesn't see it, seems like the league's seen it. By
the way McVeigh came into this league, he's had to
kind of transform his offense a little bit. People caught
up to it. Maybe it's the Niners age or injuries.
But because I thought perty played very well against Tampa,
this offense doesn't feel like it's fooling people enough. Does
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the film.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Say that, Well, I don't know if I describe any
good offense in the league as fooling people. Because coaches
coach against coaches, they know what the offense is. It's
how you get to what you do. There's not a
thousand run concepts, there's not a thousand route concepts.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's how you get to them.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
So it's the use of formation, it's the use of shifts,
it's the use of motion, So now that McCaffrey's back,
and we saw this last week, we saw that the
things they can do, the options they have in terms
of motion shifting, where they align people formationally, that now
expands dramatically, and that's what creates space, because ultimately, all
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pass games, particularly if you're playing against zone, is about spacing.
How do you create space? How do you get people
into voids? How do you put defenders who have multiple
responsibilities in zone?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How do you put them in conflict?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
That's what the pass game is about versus zone, and
the Niners now once McCaffrey's there, they can create that
space much more efficiently because they can use McCaffrey and
Samuel as movement players more so than McCaffrey when he
was not there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Let's talk about another team, Detroit. We sort of lament
their defense. We lament their defense, but Aiden Hutcheson Leaves
and the truth is it's an excellent third down defense
with him or without him. Yeah, And I don't think
their defense is their offense. But we've gotten to a
point now like their defense is really good situationally on
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third down? What is the film say? Is the personnel
better if they hit on draft picks.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
We rarely talk about this in football because we always
think of corners and edge rushers, Right, That's what we
think about with defense, and those are the premium positions.
But the Lions in some ways are old school Colin Defensively,
they may be the best defense in the league.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Up the middle.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They have two really good dtackles in McNeil and Reeder.
They've got two really good stacked backers, and Angeloni and
Campbell who are both big, and those are traits. Azeloni's
six three two forty five, Campbell's six five, two fifty
those are traits. And they arguably, arguably could have the
best safety duo in the league in Kirby Joseph and
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Brian Branch. They are really really good down the middle.
They have a high blitz percentage. They are really good
with their blitz schemes. They play a lot of man coverage,
they are aggressive, they attack, and as I said, down
the middle of their defense, that may be the best
in the league.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
All Right, Bill's Chiefs matchup this weekend. I do think
this is the best version of Buffalo. James Cook gives
him a real run game. I think by adding Amari Cooper,
who's sort of a low maintenance, volume target guy, the rookie.
I think this is the best version of Buffalo offensively,
but again, Kansas City's defense on any situational play maybe
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the best we've seen in years. What do you expect
with all your forty five years of experience in NFL films,
what are you looking for this weekend in that matchup?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Well, we have a large sample size because it seems
these teams play every year, sometimes twice a year, as
they did a year ago.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
If you go back to that divisional playoff.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Game last year, which I looked at this week, you'll
see that the Bills offense was very conservative, almost risk averse.
They played the game to minimize risk. Their longest play
in that game was eighteen yards, and I'm curious to
see because, believe it or not, with Josh Allen, they
are not really an aggressive of passing team down the field.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
There.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I think the feeling was, let's get Josh into rhythm,
let's get the ball out of his hands, let's get
a comfortable feel.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Let's let it work with our run game.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
And that may be a good strategy against the Chiefs
because the last thing you want are our long yarded situations.
Because there is no defensive coordinator in the league as
good as Steve Spagnolo at using defensive backs in his
blitz packages. And now that works against a team like
the Bills, because you know Allan will move. But now
if you have corners and safeties trying to run him down,
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obviously that's a lot better than d lineman and linebackers.
So I'm very intrigued in this game to see how
the Bills choose to play offense.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So one of the things in this business I try
to fight by myself is confirmation bias. I have picks.
I want my picks to be right, and so I
hold on to my picks, you know, like Denver Broncos,
I thought we're going to be way better. So so
far I look good, but it could it could get turbulent.
So I looked at Arizona and I'm like, and I like,
Kyler Murray, we'll see. And you know, it's like, don't forget.
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They went up to Santa Clara in one and they
were down ten to Miami in the fourth and one,
and we just watched Miami tear apart the Rams, and
I look at that offense in the last several games, Greg,
and this is what you do for a living. It
to me is a lot of a lot. It is
a tie in players, it's multiple the quarterback moves. It
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just looks like it would be a pain in the
butt to face. What do you see?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, well, here's something really interesting.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
When I watched that tape this week, I came away
and said to myself, I don't think there was one
drop back where Kyler Murray moved.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I don't know if I can recall a game like that.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
He dropped back twenty seven or twenty eight times something
like that, maybe a few less.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
He did not move one time, Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Everything he threw was from the pocket, with refinement, with timing,
and that means that the coaching staff is doing a
really good job with their route concepts and route design
so that when Kyler hits his back foot, he feels
really comfortable delivering the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So he again, that's not going to happen every week.
We know that.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And then of course you're seeing this touchdown. Where his
run game by design, really becomes a big factor.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Is in the red zone.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
But they actually have a lot of weapons McBride is
a really good tight end. You can make the argument
that he has now moved into the top three or
four as a receiver as a tight end because he
has three level ability. He can be vertical, intermediate, and short,
and he's very good run after the catch. And I
remember watching him coming out of Colorado State and I
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really liked him, and he's really become the player I
thought he could be. But they have a lot of
weapons and Murray. You know, it's always with quarterbacks. You
know this because you look at quarterbacks in the draft.
Quarterbacks have strengths and they have weaknesses. So what do
you try to do as a coordinator. You try to
maximize the strengths minimize the weaknesses. So Kyler Murray, because
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he's short, you want to be able to have him
hit that back foot and deliver the football because he
can't sit in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Bodies get too close to him.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And then, yes, he's great improvisationally, but you can't make
a living like that. So now they're doing such a
good job of matching the route concepts with what he
is and the ball's coming out and they've got pretty
good skilled people.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, Okay, now let's let's let's wrap it up for
the next three or four minutes on Russell Wilson, and
I think basically, Russell Wilson's the kind of quarterback that
got guys like Kyler Murray drafted or a Johnny Manziel.
He like, we never want smaller quarterbacks. So I kind
of thought I loved Russell for years. You always had questions.
I loved him more, and then I kind of bailed
on him. I had Pete Carroll didn't want him, Sean
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Payton didn't want him, players would criticize him. I'm like, yeah,
that's wrong. It just it's over. Well. I feel like
I'm getting eighty percent of the old Russ. He's not
as elusive, but the deep ball is back, is it?
I mean, what's the film say?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, it's the Seattle model.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I mean, keep in mind that in this last game
that Warren and Harris combined for thirty five carries, and
it was a game in which they were down by
ten in the third quarter. So it's basically the Seattle model.
It's a run game as the foundation, and it's a
defense that's really good. They probably have one of the
top what five to six defenses in the league, and
they have great individuals.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
On defense that can change games.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
So that's the way you have to play with Russell
Wilson because he's really good at certain things, great deep
ball thrower, has a feel for the game, particularly in
critical moments. But he's not a true drop back progression reader.
So you have to play to what he is. Just
what we said, you play the strengths, you minimize the weaknesses.
But he's played really well and if you really can
define it for him, he can make throws. And of
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course the touchdown he hit to Williams was just a ridiculous,
big time throw as he was falling backward. I couldn't
believe it when I saw it live, and I couldn't
believe it when.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I watched the tape.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
But I want to show you a play callin this
will be our play that we'll talk about, you know,
because I think this is really how you help a
quarterback and how you define it for him. All So
if we can go to the play from last week,
which I think really speaks to the job that they're doing,
and then the job that he's doing, because you still
have to execute it really well. And by the way,
George Pickens. Pretty talented guy. So now what we're going
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to see is we're going to see Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
In the gun here.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Okay, and this is an empty set, so empty of
course means that there's no backs.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Nobody is in the backfield with Wilson.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
So now what you're going to get here is from
a defensive standpoint, is you're going to get coverage rotation.
The coverage is going to rotate to the trip's side
of the formation, to the three receiver side, so that
safety up top, he's going to move and rotate to
the trip side. So now what you're going to get
is what we call a high low concept to the
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twins side. To the two receiver side, you're going to
get a short sit route and the inbreaker by George Pickens,
and the corner is playing off coverage, so Pickens will
be clean in his release, free access off the ball.
So now this is basically you're reading the corner. The
slot corner will be the read. If he sits low,
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then you're going to throw it to Pickens, okay if
he if he drops back, you're going to throw the
sit route in front of him. So the corner tells
you there you see him drop back, so then you
throw the shorter route. Now there's one other key factor
here that Wilson has to make sure of.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well, that's his read.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
He has to make sure that the mic and that's Wagner,
a very savvy player, one of his old teammates. He
has to make sure that he doesn't slide into the
passing lane if he wants to throw the inbreaker. So
now he gets him to move by looking at him. Okay,
so he gets him to move his body to the
trip side, and now he looks to see where the
slot corner is.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Where's the slot corner? He stayed low on the sit route.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
So now with the off coverage corner, he's got George
Pickens wide open on the inbreaker, and this becomes pitch
and catch and Pickens. You know, I've said this before
that Pickens at this moment in time, Colin, he's not
in the top five in terms of receivers overall, but
in terms of physical talent and traits, he would be
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in the top five.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He just has to become that player.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
But all the talent and all the traits are there,
and he certainly is a vertical dimension. And you talked
about Wilson being a great deep ball thrower. So they've
now got Pickens and Williams who are both vertical dimensions.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, Pickens is thin, but he's really really strong. He
bowls over corners and safeties. He's just a unique athlete
that size and strength. Greg Cosel forty five years NFL
film says, always Greg, great.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Stuff, Thanks, Colin, appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
See did you see j mack his love for the
Arizona Cardinals a team.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
I was just texting someone who is close to the
Arizona Cardinals and asking them about what he was just saying.
And I'm this Arizona stuff is getting a little over blow.
It's like Arizona Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Oh, we love them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
They're great.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
They've played great for a few games in a row.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Now settle down. Neither can sniff the Detroit Lions. Neither
can sniff the Kansas City Chiefs. Let's just keep it
in perspective, all right, that's a that's a take. That's
a reasonable take.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
Like, we have our big ten bets. J. Mack's been
on a heater. I mean he's You've been on a
season long heater. It's not even a heater anymore. It's
just who you are. You're just You're twenty five game winner.
Your Kershawn is pride, not You're not even hot. That's
just who you are. It's what I do. It's it's right,
It's exactly, it's what you do. Jmack with a news
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Speaker 2 (23:49):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
All right, Commander's Eagles tonight in an NFC showdown.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I think we both like the Eagles here.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Jayden Daniels had led has led Washington's offense to a
top five status this season, and Nick Sirianni knows the rookies'
performance presents a big challenge.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's came out on fire. He's got the team, his
team playing really well. Hats off to their coaches. We'll
have a challenge.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Here this week.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But I can't say enough good things about him. You
know how he can, how he's going to the right
place with the football being accurate, the things he can
do with it when he does, you know, when things
do break down a lot of respect for him, and
we'll have our hands full.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
He's good. I think it's an advantage. You know, when
you play these mobile quarterbacks and they're in division and
you get him multiple times a year, I think it's
a big advantage. I think it's very hard to face
with Jayden Daniels, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen when
you just don't see him a lot. It's just hard.
So I think over the course of time, if I
had to face Jaden Daniels, I mean, he's going to
be great. But you know, also with Jalen Hurts at practice,
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they know what mobility is from a QUARTERBA.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
This kind of comes down to AJ Brown. Not to
take it off Washington too much, but you saw you
showed your numbers earlier with the Eagles. With AJ Brown,
they're unstoppable, like their offense is. You can't really stop them.
Washington doesn't have a guy like that. But we likes
Terry McLaurin. But these Eagles young cornerbacks, the two not
freshburn rookies. They got Hooper Dejene and the other kid.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
They're playing at a high level.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
PFF says, they're both like elite cornerbacks already. I don't
know if Washington moves the ball easily.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I like the undertone. You like a high scoring game
or no.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
No. I there's two or three things I like on
Thursday Night. The home team, if they're any good, go
against young quarterbacks. So like two things. I really like
Philadelphia generally, the better defense. You're not you're not doing
a lot of you know, I mean, all you're doing
is walkthroughs. You're not you're not hitting this week. You're
doing some full speed stuff, but it's mostly like walkthroughs.
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Like you know, somebody was at Hasslebacker. Somebody came out
and talked. Josh McDaniels talked about that. I think yesterday.
There's just so there's only so much you can do.
That's why the NFL is at its best when it
puts division rivalry games like Baltimore Cincinnati on these Thursday
night games, so you know the personnel you can prep
before the season. That's why some of these Thursday games
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have been very good. We've gotten like divisional matchup games.
It helps.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
The only problem that hurts is these are the more
important games, like the huge tiebreaker swings and on a Thursday,
short week.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Like you said, not ideal.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
It looks like Brian Robinson's going to be a go
tonight for Washington Attacks practice.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
That's huge for them. Next up is the Chicago Bears offense.
Oh boy, where do we start? They fired O C
Shane Waldron earlier.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
This week, and reports emerged after the firing that some
veterans wanted to see Caleb Williams benched in favor of
backup Tyler Bagen. The Bear did not address the report,
but Caleb spoke to the support from his teammates.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I think they got I got full support from him.
I've gotten extra calls or people coming up to me,
you know, with this situation that just happened.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Coming up to me and saying we got your back,
We're with you.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
That kind of kind of mindset and attitude has been
what it's what it's been this past you know, this
past couple of days, and.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh, that's that's that's kind of what it's only been.
Little Rocky Greg Cosel did not pull any punches. He's
just not seeing the field.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
This is what we love to do as the media.
We love to build up the hype. He could be
the next Mahomes. You see some of the traits.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Look what he's doing, and now we're tearing him down
as their struggles.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
But Mahomes got Andy Reid in a year to sit
Caleb out a year.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Is an Andy Reid guy, isn't he? And then they
coach together. Now listen, first, we got some SATs on
Caleb Williams. Here on the screen.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It all is bad since we gave him dead lasted
every category.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
This is where it gets worse. And this is the
stuff that Caleb. This is like self inflicted wounds.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So Caleb had texted the punter when he was drafted
to the Bears. You're not gonna putt too much here, Okay,
everybody's remembering that Caleb texted the punter that. And now
we have some stats where the punter has more punts
than the Bears do scoring drives. He has more punting
net yards than Caleb does passing yards.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
And it's like, I feel like it's almost open season.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
On Caleb Williams right now, because you know, his teammates
don't seem to love him. Everything's coming back in his face.
I'm rooting for him, but it's about to get worse.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Call have you looked at the schedule going forward for the.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Bear but they may win one more game this season.
I mean it, they could end up with like five
six wins maybe. I mean, look at this colin They're
gonna they're underdogs this week. They're gonna be underdogs against
the Vikings, against the Lions, they're probably gonna get destroyed
by the Niners. Vikings, Lions, see like they're not gonna
be favored. I don't think the rest of the way.
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May be at home against Seattle their favorite, but unlike yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, it just go.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's rough. They're the NFL did them some favors early
with Tennessee and you know the Colts, Carolina Jags early
by so that the league tried to do it. I mean,
nobody knew Washington was going to be this good or Arizona.
So I do think the league, you know, they gave
Jim Harbob very winnable opener. I think the league has
always built schedules, maximized the star players, and try to
create narratives. It's not unfair. It's their league. They can
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schedule what they want. But they backloaded the Chicago schedule
hoping probably for a lot of success early and then
you know, it kind of pulls people in big market Chicago.
But it's you know, it's like this is a hard
league to figure out.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
We diagnosed this in August.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
In fact, you know, maybe even earlier than that, because
remember we I think both said pull the plug of
eb What do you do?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:42):
And now if they win five games, were you wasted
a year of Caleb Williams Right now you're gonna have
to go search for a coach. It's just all bad
in Chicago. Shout out to Bears fans.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Final story, Colin and uh oh boy is a big one.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
So Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter expected to be two
of the top picks in the twenty twenty five draft.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
So the draft order is taking shape.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
And yesterday Dion Sanders in an appearance here on FS
one on Speak and Keishawn Johnson asked him where he
wants to see schidor land listen closely.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
Somebody that can handle the quarterback that he is. Somebody
that can handle understanding that what he's capable of, someone
that has had success in the past handling quarterbacks, or
someone in an organization understands what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
You told them, Hey, man, I ain't taking that psyche
test with the giants.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
Will you step in and do some of that if
it's the wrong organization to say he ain't going there. Yeah, yeah,
but I'm not going to do a public I do
a private.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Okay, So you said you're gonna be dead, You're gonna
be dead, you gonna be dead.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh, Col's come home, yes, sir, and Enmitch Travis as well.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't have a problem
with it because I watched John Elway and Eli Manning's
dad step in. Uh at least Eli Manning, and I
love Archie Manning. But there are a lot of incompetent
owners and organizations, and you get one shot at this.
If you fail early, you almost never get a second
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legit shot. You become a bounce around guy like Sam Darnold.
So I get it, Like I like, I think Brian
Dabole would be great because he's had Josh Allen. Oh really, well,
I think you got a number one receiver, you got
a great defense, and I think Brian Dables an offensive
coach who had a very active athletic quarterback in Josh Allen.
But most of this stuff here, Titans, Browns, Raiders, Patriots, Saints.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
So what happens if I don't know the Saints get
the number one pick. It's if Deion Sanders is gonna
say he's not going there.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sorry, who's the coach? Who's the coach?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
And what about the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean, like Raiders have no proof they can develop the.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Quarterableth into can of worms. Like we all knew that
this is coming, So this bothers you. I mean, it
depends what an organization am I.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's weird because we all want to be good parents,
and you could say, just get out of the way,
and most parents should ninety nine percent should get out
of the way. This is number one pick in the
NFL draft. In a sport, thirty percent of the owners
are awful. Forty to fifty percent of the coaches should
be coordinators. They're just not head coaches. So I mean,
(32:18):
look at Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert finally has a legitimate coach.
Oh god, he's one of the top five quarterbacks in
the league. He's been bailing water for years with them.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
The toughest part.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Is I agree with what he I agree with the
sentiment I want my kid to go to a good place.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Who doesn't.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
But if I'm the league and I'm looking at this colin,
you know what the next step is. Right, if you're
one of these teams that Shau George drafted by, start
looking over your shoulder. If you're the head coach, because
Deon Sanders is going to be coming, you're gonna hear
the chatter the second he's drafted, even if it's Dabel Colin.
If it's Dabel and they win six games at three
straight years, don't playoffs, and Deon Sanders will be coaching them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Okay the following year.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Remember before the draft, we heard rumors that Caleb Williams
was not a fan of going to Chicago. I think
maybe this morning he regrets it. I mean we heard
those stories. I brought it. I was told this, remember that,
not that it was a controversy, but I had said.
I was told by a saw Chicago was not the
perfect bit. But Caleb was going to be a nice
guy and play along. It's funny, Washington quarterback Sean Payton's
(33:19):
got a quarterback without as much talent. So I'm going
to defend the kid here and the data in a
rare situation, right. Is that when the Caleb Williams story broke,
I was told and then it got public a coward said,
and then you know Caleb came out and said no, no,
no, no no. But I was told privately there were concerns. Well,
you're seeing the concerns.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
From their perspective. It's fine, but look at it from
the team perspective. Let's take the Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Car. Do you want to draft Shudue Sanders? Yes, okay,
So Antonio Pierce, who's your head coach? You just he's gone.
You just get him out of there, get Dianna and
his head goat because that's the next stime. Well, and
I don't see that there's anything wrong with that, but
just know that that's he's They're going to take over
your organization, Dion and Shoudor, which maybe is a good
thing because they're, you know, a pretty good coach, quarterback combo.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Right now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
All I know is if I have the number one
pick and I don't have a quarterback, I'm taking Shudeur Sanders.
I'll deal with the repercussions later. I don't think prime,
I don't think Dion's going to be a headache. I
think Dion's going to be a proud father if he
goes to an offensive coach in an organization he trusts. Unfortunately,
most teams drafting in the top five, you.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Can't trust New York Jets trust that.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, if Woody Johnson wasn't in the picture and it
was Chris Johnson, I would be more into that.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Is Chris Johnson a real person?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, you know Chris Johnson is Christopher Johnson. Yeah, Christopher Johnson. Yeah,
So I just I think again, I'm not a big
fan of helicopter parents in sports. It's a it's a
real problem. But el Way, Eli Manning, Eli Manning's dad.
Eli's like, he's not going to the Chargers. We're not
doing it. Yeah, I totally get that, And but I
worked out pretty well with New York.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
It did work out pretty well. Yeah, John Alway as well.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Right, It's not like I just do what I do.
I can get multiple chances, but a quarterback gets one shot.
Sometimes you get a second, but rarely Baker got a second.
Not big money, though Sam got a second chance. Minnesota's
gonna move on there, guys, geta Drew Brees was an
injury situation where a doctor wouldn't give them the okay
to play in Miami. But but but it's it's just
(35:22):
very very rare. Generally, people make decisions. And by the way,
Justin Fields were like, well he deserves the minute Russell
Wilson went there and starts winning games. We're all like, yeah,
Justin Field's a backup.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
And realize society's changing. Social media has changed things. I
mean COVID change.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Like, there's so much change happening that I think we've
got to open our minds and be like, I think
we're this isn't just the first in a.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
While, right, There's gonna be more of these these parents.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well, when you're not clear if it would be different
if there were six, like last year's quarterback class or
the one with Burrow and two and Herbert, it's one thing.
If there's like four or five guys we all like,
but Dion's got left Bridge. There is one quarterback that
you would take number one. Cam Ward's not a number
one pick. He may work, but he doesn't. I don't
(36:06):
feel like he's a number one pick quarterback. Probably a
first round guy. But again, last year, there have been years.
One year we had Hurtz Herbert Burrow tua. I mean,
I'm miss him somebody. But it was like, okay, then
I'll just just won't pick him. I'll move down. Deon knows,
Deon smart, he's been in this game for a long gut,
he knows he's got the guy. And Travis Hunter arguably
(36:29):
is the second best player. He may go number two.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
When's the last would you have a guest in your life?
Who are the two best players in college football? Heah,
they played for Colorado. So for anybody questioning Deon Sanders,
that's pretty remarkable. Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
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Speaker 1 (37:11):
All right, we do it every week. At this time,
it is our big bets.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Matt make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
All right, I'm gonna take the under forty seven points
on UCLA and Washington. The Bruins top seven rush defense
in college football and Washington's offense getting worse. They're struggling,
but they do defend the pass well. The Huskies have
the number one pass defense. I think it's a competitive game.
UCLA's played very well against Iowa. They're leading with defense.
(37:51):
I think it's low scoring. It's a go either way
game to me. But the under forty seven is tasty.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, I'm shocker. I'm with you on that under forty seven.
That's also one of my bets. I think we're seven
and zero when we both.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Have the same bets.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
After the one in five start for UCLA, they've just
been cooking, tough.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Team, playing a lot of defensive minding football. I like
under forty seven.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I'm gonna take Nebraska plus nine and a half if
they win their bowl eligible and USC's got a sanction
on their hands. It is a mess. Their defense, which
was good early, has really deteriorated it. They are not
getting a consistent pass rush two and five against Big
ten teams. Yeah, they're at home, but how many people
show up. It's not a home field advantage, and I'll
(38:32):
be honest with you, first game under Dana Holderson, the
new coordinator at Nebraska, a lot of experience. I think
Nebraska's offense shows. I think they have a chance to
win this game. I'm taking the points within Nebraska nine
and a half.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
Okay, I will get an ugly dog. This one has
some fleas.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Northwestern plus twenty nine and a half against the Ohio
State Buckeyes. This is simply another one of these look
ahead plays. Ohio State next year, our next week. Sorry,
with the game of the Big Ten weekend against Indiana.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
Undefeated Indiana next week.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
I'm gonna go ahead and guess Ryan Day doesn't want
to force any guys to play four quarters here. I
think they powered down early coast to like a twenty
seven to seven victory.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm gonna take Oregon minus fourteen. Their offensive line was
a mess against Idaho and Boise State. They're now allowing
one sack of game. Best in the Big Ten. Dylan Gabriel,
this is the fastest team in the Big Ten. And
let's be honest about Wisconsin. It's not exactly a quarterback factory.
I mean, it's just not They've They've been held under
fifteen points in back to back games. They're a little
(39:33):
banged up again. Wisconsin can be a tough environment. They
can't score, and nobody has shown the ability least of
all Ohio state. Nobody stops Oregon when they're focused. It
is a big ten game. I can I'll lay the
fourteen points with Oregon. Damn.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
I'm with you as well, Oregon minus fourteen.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Listen, it's a bleak big ten slate this week, but
Oregon should lay the lumber to Wisconsin.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
The Badgers. I'm in their garbage right now. Honestly, you
look at the last three games.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
They're playing so bad, can't do anything right. This is
an Oregon pick your score forty two fourteen.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Yeah, you know, do they do.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Jump around if Oregon's winning by a million points at
the end of.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
The third I think they do jump around out to
their car and leave camp Randall. I think it's ugly.
So yeah, we we agree on two of our three picks.
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(40:33):
the twelve team playoffs.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
Bring it on, baby.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
How about that Dan Lanning story. NFL is looking at
the Ducks head coach. They think he has a Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
I asked Bruce Fellman on my podcast about Ryan Day,
the Ohio's date coach.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
If they win the Natty, does he say I'm done?
I don't need any of his headaches? Let me go
to the NFL. Problem is the NFL job openings aren't.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Good this year?
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Why would Lanning leave Oregon?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Oh? This year bad? It is not a good you.
The Saints job salary cap Hell, if I don't have
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