November 19, 2024 • 40 mins
Dallas suffers another loss without QB Dak Prescott, but Colin has a bold plan for the Cowboys to get back to contending for Super Bowls.
NFL BREAKING NEWS: Jets fire GM Joe Douglas
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh here we go on a Tuesday redded two role
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. One hour from now, the
Herd Hierarchy. The truth is coming out. I'll just give
your heads up. Cowboys aren't in the top ten. I
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want you to be disappointed. An hour from now, Nick Wright,
Michael Urban stops by Jmax. I am a believer. You know,
when somebody goes into bankruptcy, they have protection, government protection.
You can Chapter eleven, Chapter seven. The NFL doesn't do that.
And the Dallas Cowboys right now, as a football roster,
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are bankrupt right and there's no government protection. So I
want to start the show today with this. No need
to talk about the game, the Cowboy roster and the
franchise right now is essentially bankrupt. So Jerry Jones, in
his life he was a wildcatter. I'll get to that
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in a minute. But when he's taken big swings football
and non football, it's paid off. Remember he bought an
NFL team, I mean wedged in to buy it. Jimmy
Johnson as told me the first year and a half
he was paying bills. He took a big swing to
buy that team and it a barely qualified. He fires
Tom Landry, he hires Jimmy Johnson, he brings in Dion Sanders.
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Big swings, and Jerry's always been rewarded with those. It's
when Jerry plays is it safe, it doesn't work out.
Re signing Dak because you know, as Dak's here, will
you know will be competent, will be good in the
regular season. Or replacing Jason Garrett with Mike McCarthy somebody
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who needed a job and Jerry could control. Or letting
go of Amari Cooper to give us more cap flexibility,
or let's pass on Dereck Henry because you know, at
eight million dollars it's a little too much. Every time
Jerry plays it safe and comfortable, that's all you get
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He's preached that resigning DAK. You really think DAK forget
the NFC. You think Dak's gonna beat Josh Allen, Burrow,
Herbert now with Harbaugh, Mahomes and a Super Bowl and
hoisted trophy. Bruh, Come on, we have a grown up talk.
Jerry also has to consider that Jaden Daniels is now
in his de vision twice a year, twenty times minimum
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over the next decade, and Jalen Hurts with that roster
in Philadelphia significantly better. The Lions are just moving into
a three to four year dominant window. And oh yeah,
the Packers and Jordan Love are stacked with young talent
not being paid for several years. Again, that's just the NFC,
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forget that. In my lifetime, I've never seen a conference
like the AFC where the five best quarterbacks are all
in their prime Burrough, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar Jackson. So if
Dallas after they lose their next game, they're a three
and eight team. After they lose, they lose their next
game at Washington, they face the Giants on Thanksgiving. If
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they lose that game, and I suspect they will. I
like the Giants more, even with Tommy DeVito. I don't
think Dallas wins another game. Carolina is trying to build
a culture, build a staff, build momentum for next year,
and find out if Bryce Young is the guy they're
planning for stuff. Dallas is playing for nothing. So let's
go back start looking at the draft order right now.
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If Dallas doesn't beat the Giants, so Jacksonville and Tennessee
are above them, but they play each other twice. Cleveland's
do talented did not win a couple more games. Jets
will won another game, Carolina wants to. I mean, I'm
watching the Patriots. They're giving the Rams a struggle. They're
gonna win more games. They're playing for something. Rookie coach,
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rookie quarterback, the Giants and Vegas. If the Cowboys beat
the Giants, this may not matter. But if the Giants
win the Cowboys, in my opinion, it'll be the Giants,
the Cowboys, and the Raiders all vying for that number
one pick. And I'm here to tell you if I
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was the Dallas Cowboys, I don't care about Dak's new contract.
I would go get Dion Sanders and I would sign.
I would pick shaduor Sanders. If I had to give
up Micah Parsons and three firsts, I would do it.
You do not get out of bankruptcy putting thirteen dollars
a month into your four to oh one K. You
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get out of it with big swings. That's how you
get out of it. You start looking at the draft order.
You look at Dallas's schedule. The only team they play
the rest of the year that's got nothing to play
for is the Giants. If the Giants can beat him,
and Dallas is awful at home, not much better on
the road, they got a shot to get the number
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one pick. They got a real shot. Yes, Dak will
be upset if you draft shaduor Sanders. So what Denver
Broncos Russell Wilson was upset? They moved off him. They're
in cap Hell? So what the Denver Broncos are viable?
Why they went and got a great coach, and they
went and got a great rookie quarterback and all of
a sudden, Denver in the playoffs in the better conference.
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They may not stay there, but they went from cap
hell finn roster, missing draft picks, embarrassing franchise. Two is
Sean Payton coach of the year and bow Nick is
he the best rookie quarterback? They took big swings. Sean
Payton was a big expensive swing fifteen million, eighteen million
a year. Bow Nick's a quarterback. Play him day one,
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big swing. Move off Russell Wilson and pay the contract.
Pittsburgh gets him for a nickel. Pittsburgh wins, but so
does Denver. You're not getting out of this mess. This
team is this roster's bankrupt. Move off, Micah, give up
three picks if you don't beat the Giants and you
got nothing to play for. I'd argue Brian Dabele has
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something to play for his job. The weird Giants could
run him out of town. But if you go to
the end of the Troy Aikman era, after Troy Aikman
left and before Tony Romo arrived, what do they do.
They went and got Bill Parcells. That's the first thing.
Let's go get Bill Parcels. And then they found Tony Romo.
But the difference is Tony Romo was undrafted, so he
was free for five years. Whoever gets this roster, here
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are a handcuff with Dak's contract. You know Dak is
a ninety million dollar cap hit next year. Now they'll
restructure it. But if you go get Shador Sanders, who
is a much better prospect than Dak, and Dak, by
the way, after his first surgery, lost mobility, what's he
going to be after this? Lisa Salter said last night
last night, eight months? Not back for eight months? What what?
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Ninety million? He's not back in eight months? The last surgery,
he became immobile. He became Kirk Cousins, but he didn't
throw as well as Kirk Cousins. What's he after the
second surgery? So what if he's upset? Russell Wilson was upset.
Russell's happy. Now you move Dak, even if you have
to pay eighty percent of his salary. If you hit
in a quarterback, If shaanor Sanders is great, nobody cares
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Tom Landry. I can't believe you fired Tom Landry. Two
years later, nobody cared Jimmy Johnson, Dion Sanders. How can
you bring in Dion Sanders? Oh, he's great? Super Bowl
nobody cares. I can't believe Jerry bought an NFL team.
He's a wildcatter. He can barely afford it. Jimmy Johnson wins,
nobody cares. Everybody now joins the avalanche. Everybody would crap
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on you with moving off Dak Prescott, who cares? God?
Joe Rogan goes through a controversy a week. Who cares?
Win games? Take swings? Jerry was a wildcatter. And I'm
sure most of you know what a wildcatter is. It's
a speculation business. You're drilling holes in the earth and
you don't know what's down there. But here's the thing,
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Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders are not speculation. You know
what Dion is as a college coach and as a player,
and as a leader and as a culture builder. And
I'm telling you, Shadur Sanders is a great prospect. He's
the only quarterback in this class I like. But he's
a great prospect. But if you want to sit around
to be average, then make average moves. Don't offend anybody.
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Make that happy. But Russell Wilson was pissed when they
got rid of him. He's happy. Now send Dak somewhere,
pay most of his salary. Guy's gonna get paid. I mean,
you saw Dak about three weeks ago in sidelines. Remember
what the cameras caught him saying, this team blanking socks.
Those were Dax words. The camera caught it. Does he
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really want to be there? If tomorrow you found out
Dak went somewhere to an organization that lost a quarterback
to injury and as a stacked roster, you think he'd
be broken hearted. He's a pro athlete. I wouldn't blame him.
Pro athletes should take care of pro athletes, not worry
about the billionaire owner. But I mean Jaden Daniels, Jalen
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Hurts in division. I mean that five great quarterbacks in
the AFC, all in their prime, all of them. You
think you're winning with this roster, take a huge swing.
If you lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving because you're
losing the Washington you're a ten point dog. Next week,
you have a real shot to end up in that
top two or three. I'd give up Micah. I'd move
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three first round picks if I had to. Of course,
the Giants aren't going to give you that. They don't care,
nor would the Raiders. But the Raiders play hard. The
Raiders play hard, they play hard. They're gonna win another
football game. The next six, seven weeks or whatever it is.
Jerry Jones after last night's predictable loss, Jerry is three
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and seven. If you still hope that the season could
tur us, well.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's ten games and certainly where the numbers are are
coming to us, and certainly we have to be realistic
about how we're playing. We have to be realistic. But
what we're dealing with at quarterback. The guys that were
out there tonight did some good things, but they made
some real mistakes.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The Texans scored on the first play of the game, Oh,
ineligible man downfield, which is a dumb rule. But I
mean then a couple of plays later, Joe Mixon, who
had three touchdowns. I mean, it's Jerry's history is big swings.
I don't even think Shadeur Sanders is a big swing.
I think trading Micah three first round picks is like ooh,
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but this is not a Trey Lance situation in San Francisco.
Shadeur can play. Shouldar's dad was the greatest corner ever.
Shadur can play. We got like a lot of games.
Now again, other teams that have given up three first
round picks, you got a guy from a small college
that we haven't seen much video, and Chadur's been crushing
it everywhere he's been. He has a chance to win
a big twelve. And I gotta tell you something, I
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got no problem with Dion Sanders as an NFL coach.
Did you think he was gonna stay in Colorado forever?
It's a great story. It's not a great team. Colorado
when he took it over was the Burke's program in
the country. They don't have big nil money, they don't
have big boosters. And I think he's done a great job,
and I think he loves what he does, and I
think he's elevated the lives of young people full and
his son leaves. You really see, you really see Dion
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is the future of Colorado football. I can see him
as the future of the Dallas Cowboys. That smells about right.
Jmack swings gotta take big swings.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So close the curtains on the stadium, close the curtains
on the season. Is that the strategy here?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just shut it down?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The only problem is can you convince an eighty two
year old who wouldn't spend for Derrick Henry to go
all in and tank for Shadur Sanders, an eighty two
year old. It's one thing at sixty fifty to forty.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
By the way, this idea that if you tank and
get Schadueur Sanders, we won't be viable. Denver got Bo Nicks,
who isn't the prospect Schaduur Sanders is Denver's in the
playoffs right now? Okay, this is the NFL. Houston was
the laughing stock of the league. Dimiko, Ryan c J.
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Stroud playoff team. This is not baseball where if you
don't have the money you can't compete. It's not the NBA.
If you don't have two stars, you can't compete. It
took Denver years and years and years to build that.
Andrew Luck shows up to the Colts. They went eleven games.
An eleven games don't eleven games, didn't win Super Bowls.
They were immediately legit.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Would you consider sitting Shadure for a year behind Dak?
Then yes, Dak.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I would go to Dak and say, hey, listen, we're
gonna do this thing. If you want to stick up
for a year, that's great, and Dak would probably go now, no, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do that. And by the way, you
moved Russell. We've seen this before. Dead cap money. If
you hit on a quarterback gets mitigate. It does not
pull you down. If you get the right coach and
quarterback in this league, look at Hardball right right now.
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I mean like Hardball's the same roster with a better
right tackle and a receiver they like, then may be
the best team on certain Sundays in the league. This
is not a hard league to figure out. Quarterback coach
is right, you're good. You got a star CD Lamb,
you got a couple of young offensive linemen. You got
to get a running back. Quarterback. By the way, if
Shadur Sanders can run, you don't have to have a
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great I mean, do you have to have a great
running back room for years? When Josh Allen broke into
the league the first four years, he as you're running game.
Did Cam Newton need a great running back room the McCaffrey,
But did he need one the first three or four
years with a highly mobile quarterback. It's nice that Kyler
Murray has now Connor now, but for several years in
the league he becomes like quarterback slash number two running back.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So Thanksgiving Cowboys play every year. I believe they have
the Giants this year. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So DeVito Cooper rush on Thanksgiving and attack.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I would take an attack Giants because Brian Daball has
something to coach for. You think Brian Dable. You think
Brian Dabele's going to retain his job, Mike Mike McCarthy isn't.
But you think you think Brian Daball in New York,
with that relentless media is going to keep his job
with six more wins losses in US.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Essentially, the Giants and Cowboys are in a race for SCHEDUS.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think it's I really believe it because I think
if you start looking at teams like Jacksonville, Cleveland, New England,
they're gonna win games. I think the Raiders play too
hard not to win games, and I think Antonio Pierce
is too pride full and two competitives. He's trying to
keep his job. They'll win a game.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, Callahan and Tennessee they're.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Trying to you will You watched last night Shuston's first
play on the road. Dallas isn't losing. They're getting blown
out at home. You start looking at that board. It's
Carolina's plan for something. Brian Dables coaching for something, if
Stefanski's coaching for something.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
If the Jags are smarts to start mac Jones and say, hey, Dallas,
give us Michael Parsons and a number one and we'll.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Give you the number one pick.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
You know, some kind of package. It's gonna get excited.
This is a good race for sador.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I like it, Race to the bottom.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
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Speaker 1 (15:43):
All right, welcome back, all right, breaking news, my friends,
breaking news, more change in New York. The Jets have
now fired their general manager, Joe Douglas. Adam Schefter broke
this story. So now it's Robert Sala, who I said,
do not fire. He's the best coach on the staff.
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You do not have a strong enough staff to elevate
some brilliant young DC or OC and the Jets have
been absolutely worse both sides of the ball since Robert
Sala was fired. I think this is another mistake. Now
he missed on a quarterback Zach Wilson, who, for the record,
I didn't like coming out of college. But let's contextualize
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that there was a two year period because of COVID
where college football quarterbacks a lot of smart guys I
know and trust a lot of sources I've had. It
was wonky quarterbacks were playing BYU was playing a weird schedule,
and I mean, you didn't know what to make you
weren't practicing like normal. So general Jets needed a quarterback.
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They took a big swing. He wasn't the only GM
that liked Dak Wilson. I didn't. He did. Multiple guys did.
That's his big miss. But when you look at this
Jets roster, best cornerback tenem in the league, excellent young linebacker,
Quinn Williams. I mean defense, they got players. They're not
coached very well, but they got players. Offensively, they got
a star receiver, they got a really good back, if
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not a great back. This is not a roster that's
void of talent. It's not Carolina or Dallas. There's players here.
I think this is a mistake. I think it's another mistake.
And by way, why would you do it? Now, Well,
why in the world would you do it. Now, the
reason you'd fire Sala early is somebody wanted him out.
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I wonder who that is. Why in the world would
you fire a fire a general manager? Now? Does Aaron
Rodgers think we're idiots like you? Don't do that? Nobody
fires a GM in the middle of a season, complete retoo.
I mean it's first of all, Joe Douglas is an
excellent personnel guy. He knows his stuff. I think this
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is a mistake. Sala was a mistake Joe Douglas, I
think is a mistake. Yes, his records thirty and sixty four.
He missed on the quarterback. But why in the world
would you fire a coach and a GM sixty percent
through a season? Who fires a GM? Now? You know
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what I think it is. I think word got back.
There was a story that broke last week. Remember that
story that broke last week after Aaron said I'd like
to come back, and there was a story about two
days later that said, I'm not sure they want Aaron back.
Aaron read that because Aaron's incredibly reactionary, and somebody had
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to go because Aaron thought that was a leak somewhere
in the building, and maybe it was Joe Douglas, but
Aaron said, I want to come back. And I think
it was two days later, at maybe three, there was
a story saying after they lost to somebody, I forget
who did. It wasn't the Colts. It was the day
game before and it's like, I don't know if anybody's
gonna want him back. And that story was sourced, and
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who who's this source saying that Aaron said, somebody's got
to go. He went to Chris Johnson, one of the
owners upstairs, and made it happen. And he'll deny it
all day long. By the way, Adam Schefter pointing out
under Douglas, the Jets had notable draft success Sauce Gardner,
Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breeze Hall in the same draft. However,
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they never solved the quarterback position. Yeah, that's sixty four
percent of the league, you know. I mean, yes, Kansas
City and Green Bay tend to get the quarterback right.
Everybody else is how long has it been for Miami
to replace Marino? How long did it take Denver to
replace Elway? You know, going from Montana to Steve Young,
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just or Manning to Andrew Luck congratulations or what green
Bay does that in? Even green Bay sits guys for years.
This whole league misses on. I mean San Francisco's well run,
well owned, smartly GM smartly coach. They gave up three
first rounds for Trey Lance. It happens. It's the hardest
position to draft because it's especially with in the COVID space.
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Joe Douglas is guessing they're playing half their games. They're
not practicing. He's pretty was a Gatorade high school player.
He's a pretty athletic college guy. I think it's another mistake.
What an impulsive, weird organization. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
News No turns, this is the herd line News.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, let's start with Saquon Barkley. Colin. He is in
the MVP conversation because he's having a monster season. However,
he's been tackled eleven times this season at the one
or two yard line, which is most in the league. Obviously,
not having as many touchdowns not going to help the
MVP case. Here's Nick Sirianni talking about Saquon Barkley getting
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taken down at the one or two yard line.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You always think about that. I think one thing we
think about a lot in the red zone a quarterbacks
and he gets tough to lose yardage there, right, So
and you come out and you and and the worst
thing that you can do in red zone football is
is get is moved backwards. Right, You know that it's
one of the worst things that can happen there and
put you behind the sticks. You always want to stay
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ahead of the sticks because things get harder and tighter
down there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, well, I don't look at short yardage is a
huge problem for the Eagles. I think I think eventually
they'll be fine there. The things I worry about are
coaching consistency. But I think getting a yard's never been
in If I have Jalen Hurts, that old line and
Saquon Barkley, I don't think I'm gonna worry much about
getting crucial one yard games.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Barkley's been so good, you know, he's been a bigger
factor than Derrick Henry and Baltimore. I know Henry got
a lot of pub but I think Barkley's been a
bigger deal to the Eagles than Derrick Henry has.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Been to I think there's no question. And I think, well,
first of all, I think he's better. Yeah, he's got
more juice.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And by the way, how bad does it look at
the Giants? Remember they spent five million dollars on Drew
Lock He's now the backup. He was supposed to be
the guy after dinner. Jones are to push it that
five million could have easily been ruled into Saquon Barkley
and the Giants keep it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
By the way, if you're and I'm not advocating getting
rid of people, but if there's a general manager, a
football general manager in New York, you want to have
a question about it's Joe Shane re signing Daniel Jones
to a big contract, that was Joe's idea.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
And punting on Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
That could get you fired. But missing on a college
quarterback like Joe Douglas should not get you fired. He
had a couple of great drafts. I'm telling you right now.
When that story came out saying, you know, Aaron may
not be the answer, somebody had to pay for that.
I guarantee it, and they'll deny it. That's what they do.
But nobody fires a GM now, well, unless there was
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some sort of personal.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Situation, and maybe Woody Johnson thinks he's got a shot
at Belichick. Belichick will give you total control GM and
coach and Joe Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Did not going to the Jets obvious, Joki.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Next up is the forty nine Ers, Colin.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
What a fault.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
They're the only team in the NFL that's been favored
in every game since the start of the season, and
yet here they are five and five, three division losses,
and Colin, they are now favorites to miss the playoffs. Okay,
I mean, it's just crazy to win the Super Bowl,
super duper long shot. When according to DraftKings odds to
make the playoffs plus two hundred, win the division plus
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three fifty, they've got an uphill climb. The injuries are mounting, Colin.
This is a weird situation. And again, I don't put
much stock in social media, but I got a lot
of forty nine Ers fans saying I'm done with Shanahan.
I'm so sick of this guy. Oh, I don't understand it,
settle down, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I didn't like Ricky Pearsall as a pick in the
first round. I would have gotten a right tackle or
a left tackle. So I like John Lynch. But some
of this the Trey Lance move, that's not solely. There
was a story that he wanted more of a pocket
guy or Kirk Cousins. So I Kyle's a very good coach.
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This is an increasingly old, brittle roster. That's the problem.
They've missed on just enough draft picks and given up
just enough first round picks where they need about three
more dynamic players and they'd have them if they hit
on draft picks or had first round draft picks.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Okay, let's Shanahan real quick.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So cloth games.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
He has not been good at all. Down right, He's
been bad this year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
My knock on him has always been he stays tied
to his play sheet.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So he blew the game against the Rams, remember that
one that was catastrophic loss. He blew the game against Arizona.
You could argue he blew the game against Seattle late.
I mean, just the poor decisions. Special teams hasn't been there.
They couldn't get up for that Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He will be out of work like Andy Reid for
five minutes. I'm not saying. Always ask yourself, if you're
thinking about fireing the coach, how long if you're thinking
about firing anybody or letting anybody go, how long will
they be unemployed? If the answer is not very long,
don't be an idiot.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And what's life going to be like in say Francisco
without Kyle Shanning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I've seen it without Kyle Shanahan and Harbaugh the last
twenty years a wreck. You know that Shanahan is not
He's had you know what's amazing? Think about this? So
when Andy Reid coached in Philadelphia? What was ask yourself everybody,
because you were all banging on Andy Reid. I wasn't.
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I would defend him to the end, and I have forever.
What did everybody bang on Andy Reid for? No? What
it wasn't just that? You know he's not very good
managing the clock. Isn't it funny when he landed Mahomes
He's now the best in the league managing the clock?
Did Andy Reid just figure out how to tell time
in the last ten years? No, When you get a
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great quarterback, it's amazing how good you get late in games?
Brought Purty is fine, He's fine. He's not the problem
in San Francisco. No, but he's not the solution either.
To an aging roster. He's not the solution. The solution
a star quarterback. Come on the solution everywhere. Yeah, just
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grab me a star quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
They grow on trees. They'll take one, let me take two.
I'll take two stars. That doesn't it doesn't work like that.
It's gonna be interesting. I do think Shanahan has to
take some ownership of blowing multiple fourth quarter leads this season.
You got me, he has not been great in fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I don't think you fire him, but I think he's
got to like reevaluate some things about what I'm doing.
As for the talent on that team, they got too
many dudes. They are getting a little old. I would agree,
but like Jennings is really good. Deebo's added up and
down year pearsaw flash two weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So you and I questioned you and I said this
when they drafted Pearsall my take is, Okay, are you
gonna move off debo? Because Deebo has a market, not
a great market, but a market, kay Yuk. You and
I wondered if I Yuke was worth signing you know,
I mean we You and I both said they got
a lot of weapons. That's not a need. You know,
their their need is to stay young around both on
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the defensive line, improve their offensive line. So I haven't agreed.
I love John Lynch, but there's a lot of things
upstairs I have not agreed with. It's well organization, I'm
not denying that, but they've missed on some picks. They've
given up picks.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's just dawned upon me. The two noisiest players this
entire offseason where Brandon and I you in San Francisco,
and Dak Prescott and Dallas, and they both ended up
getting injured and are out for the season and both
teams are cratering.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I don't think Dak was noisy, was he?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
He was waiting for his contract all summer. They asked
him that literally every week.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, they asked him that.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I was doing body language stuff and da I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Look at Dak as noisy, are you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Final story is, uh, let's go back to the Houston
Texans last night. I don't know, Kyle, I was not
overly impressed. I know they got the win, they got
the cover, thank you, but don know they had been
struggling to score in the second half of games and okay,
they got one yesterday with Mixes.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Can I ask this question?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, I've always said up. I didn't do this for
a living, my dream jobs NFLGM. Do you know what
the Houston Texans gave up to get Joe Mixon, who
I have been saying four years is a poor man's
Adrian Peterson. They gave up a seventh round pick for him.
The Cowboys spent a fourth on a receiver last night
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that had zero yards?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Zero yards? Joe Mixon. I've been saying this for three years.
What is Cincinnati doing? They're not the same team without
Joe Mixon because they can't kill the clock. It's all
vertical scoring. So Cincinnati can score, but they can ever
night Detroit kill the clock, have a lead and drain
the clock out and win. That's why they give up
so much stuff late. Cincinnati's a bad team late in games,
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not because a Burrow. They can't kill the clock like
Detroit or a good run team like Philadelphia. Yeah, it's
amazing to me that Joe Mixon was available for a
seventh round pick.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Demiko Ryans talked about how the Texans hope to keep
the momentum.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Going the run game stars that our offensive line. I
asked him to challenge them to play fast, play aggressive.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Thought they did a really nice job.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
And Joe and know when he's when he's on, he's
a force.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Wars over one.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Hundred yards, three touchdowns. Is really like the way we
just kept turning it in a run game. And proud
of the guys we're stepping up to the challenge.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I liked it. I like Houston. Houston's Green Bay of
the AFC, probably a year away, but the coach, the quarterback,
the young players are fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
So a couple of teams went out and got wide
receivers this offseason with quarterbacks on the rookie deal. The
Bears got Keenan Allen right and the Texas got Stefan Diggs.
Both of their offensive lines stick. Okay, Caleb was sacked
nine times two weeks ago, and you know the offensive
line of the Texans seems to cave on every possession. Yeah,
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we need to remember in the offseason, does trenches matter?
Don't go get the wide receiver. We got to build
the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, look a hardball went and got a right tackle,
Joe Alt who has been spectacular and suddenly with JK
Dobbins and Joe Alt what happens Herbert doesn't have to
throw forty five times a game. It's totally changed the
offensive culture. Yeah, it's bullyball. So we're gonna we do
this every offseas. He said, Oh, look at that flashy
wide receiver going to go grabbing free agency. Just remember
the trenches matter. And by the way, the Dallas Cowboys
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they lost.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It looked like three offensive linemen last night to injury.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know if Geyiton got hurt on the play
where he scooped up the fumble and got drilled, or
they benched him because he tried to ring up the football.
That's something happened there. But I was stunned at how
inept they looked. And Colin, I couldn't you said, they're
ten point underdogs.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Against the Commanders. I like the Commanders. I think I too. No,
it's my favorite bet of the week. I hate big favorites.
I told this week. Remember at the Blazing five at
the end, I said, take Detroit. I don't bet double
digit favorites, but take Detroit.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And Washington's off extra rest from Thursday, Dallas short week.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh I love Washington, Ok. I love the Commanders minus
ten against the Cowboys. Love it extra rest for Kingsbury
to cook up some stuff. J Mack with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Jamack.
Can I lock it in now? Can that be my
lock in game? I'm gonna lock in Commanders, my ten
against Dallas. That's my lock in game. I get one
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like every couple of weeks. And the show's called The Herd.
Why can't we do it? Ryan's like, yeah, I mean
to go ahead, lock it in. There's no provision, no
no law. We can't. FCC is not going to come
down on this Herd Hierarchy and Nick Wright top of
the Hour.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
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Speaker 4 (31:25):
A huge doubleheader. First at seven Eastern alex Caravan lead
second ranked Yukon as the defending national champs take on
East Texas A and M. Then at nine six ranth
Perdue battle's number fifteen Marquette. But I'll tits off tonight
on FS one.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Nobody with the initials E Tamu is beating Yukon. I'm
just gonna tell you that right now, I like Yukon
in that game.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
That second game is a good one, just FYI.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, first one could be a good one, but
I doubt it. Just to give you some sense, Nick
right top of next hour Herd hierarchy if you haven't heard,
the Jets fired little past midseason their general manager, Joe
Douglas after a story leaked in the last week that
maybe the Jets would not would not view Aaron Rodgers
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next year and beyond as their future. You think it's
a coincidence. I'm just gonna say Packers offense got better
when he left, and he was better then than he
is now. But it's not a coincidence. The general manager
and the Jets is fired about a week after a
story surfaced that the Jets the Jets were uncertain if
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Aaron was the future. This is an Aaron job, you
know it is. Yeah, And I think Joe Douglas is
more than capable. Top half of the NFL general manager.
He missed on a quarterback during COVID All sorts of
gms did John Lynch in San Francisco. Trey Lance missed
on him. There was about a year and a half
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two years the COVID quarterback class rough, nobody knew what
to do, Teams weren't practicing, teams were playing weird, abnormal schedules.
Just saying, I wouldn't have fired him. I wouldn't have
fired Robert Solo. Every media guy in New York all
the problems were Robert Sola. Remember that. You'd think you'd
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be a little embarrassed about that take. And I said,
never fire the best coach on your staff. Sala was
the best coach on the staff. The defense has regressed,
the team is worse since he left. Now let's fire
the GM. Just go look at his Brice Hall draft.
I mean, the guys had a couple of big time
drafts to hit in a lot of players, far more
hits than misses. They have an elite wide receiver. I
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mean they were able to eventually sign Aaron Rodgers, which
at the time looked like a pretty good deal. Top
running back rush ends, best corner duo in the league,
interesting active athletic linebackers. Just saying, so, here's some stats
generally speak over the course of the last thirty forty years.
The Super Bowl Champions are a team much like in
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college football. Last year, Michigan wins the National Championship, and
they were so good they decided in a big road game,
we're not going to throw the ball entire second half.
We don't even need our coach on the sidelines. We're
not going to throw the ball. They beat Penn State.
That's when you're dominant. Historically, the team that wins the
College football National Championship has about eight wins by double digits.
They roll people. That's why I say I need Ohio
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State to roll Indiana because they lost to Oregon. So
when you play good teams, I need your roll over
some of these teams. The Lions are doing what Super
Bowl winning teams do. The Lions' fourth game this season
with more touchdowns than incompletions this past weekend, three wins
by thirty eight plus points. The rest of the NFL
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has zero such games, and the opposing quarterbacks have an
NFL low seventy three point six passer ringing against the
Lions this season. And you don't think Detroit has a
great defense, what's happening is is Detroit is so dumbed
offensively that they get two and three touchdown leads by
the middle of the second quarter and opponents have to
throw and so Detroit by the middle of the second
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quarter knows exactly what your offense is gonna do. So
even though Aiden Hutchison is not there, they're a tremendous
third down defense. Nobody's running the ball against Detroit. By
the middle of the second quarter, you gotta throw. So
it's a real Their offense is so dominant. It's very
much like the Randy Moss Patriots. They let everybody often
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big by the beginning of the second quarter, and New
England's like, well, right, Belichick, do your magic. They gotta throw.
They're not going to run their way back into this thing,
and so they really I think it's a great story.
I got people from Michigan. In my family. The Lions
have become the little brother that has a growth spurt
and one day he walks out of his bedroom. He's
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six ' five, sounds like a man, and asks dad
if he could borrow his razor. This is bullyball. And
here's what's amazing. Jared Goff won a game and had
eighty five yards passing. Jared Goff won a game with
four hundred yards passing, and in both games they scored
fifty two points. It's almost like They're the only team
in the league that can win by blowout consistently and
quarterback does not become crucial. That is a dominant team.
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The rest of the NFL Chargers win. Herbert's got to
be good. I mean, it got to be good. It's
that's kind of the rule. San Francisco had a few
years with Garoppolo and Brock Purdy. Quarterback didn't have to
be great and they could win. That's a big time roster.
Detroit's become that now. I think Jared Goff's really good,
but you start looking at I'm looking this morning at
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some of Jared Goff's wins. He won a road game
with five picks and he won a game with twelve completions.
I mean, Mahomes usually has to play well or Kansas
City's not gonna win if he's terrible. He didn't have
to be great. But they are all sorts of different.
Here's Matt Hasselback yesterday on kind of the new look Lions.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
This is a situation where these guys have been picked
on for years and years and years, and Dan Campbell
has sold them something and I think everybody, even the
fan base, has bought into it. Like here's how we
get back. We punched the bully in the mouth, and
it started on primetime against Dallas, and this team really
hasn't looked back. They're the new Bully. Like the Detroit Lions,
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have earned the respect of the entire league.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
There's no doubt about that. Yeah, I think it's pretty special.
And I've said it did feel inevitable that it was
going to be Kansas City and Detroit in the Super Bowl,
and I still think it feels inevitable that it's going
to be Detroit or Kansas City or Buffalo in the
Super Bowl. Those feel like the three teams to me
that have separated from the league. And I think there's
other teams like the Chargers, the Eagles, Pittsburgh that are
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clearly capable of winning a playoff game or two playoff games.
But doesn't it feel like Lions, Chiefs, Bills just feel different. Situationally,
Kansas City is the best roster, Detroit feels like the
best of those three, and Buffalo's a little bit of both.
Josh Allen makes some great situationally, Sean McDermott good coach situationally,
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and I like their roster and their offensive weapons. So
j mack heard hierarchy, hierarchy top of next hour. I
have a team with four and six record in my
heard hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Uh okay, excited for that. Let me quickly go back
to something you said on Joe Douglas. He he whiffed on
a quarterback in the COVID draft, right, so he got
Zach Wilson didn't work out. Can I just remind you
of the other guys who went in the first round
in that draft.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So Trevor Lawrence went one, He's been a disappear.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
He's about to be on his third head coach, but
he was a disappointment. Trey Lance went third. He is
on his second team.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
He's a backup.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Uh is he justin fields when miss Miss? Yeah, it's
a whiff. He's on a second team.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Mac Jones went miss Miss.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay, So no quarterbacks panned out from that draft. So
I'm not I'm not listen. I'm not defending Joe Douglas here,
but this idea that, oh, he may whiffed on Zach Wilson. Like, okay,
every quarterback in that draft.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, no, and everybody I listen. I talked to a
general manager in the league that year that did not
need a quarterback right And he told me, he said, Colin,
I don't like any of these. He goes, I don't
have enough tape. The practice schedules are different, the game
schedules are different. He goes, I am so glad I
don't have to draft a quarterback. So if you're firing
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him because he missed on that.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
That's yeah. By the way, he was in Baltimore, a
classy organization that drafts well, and you treated him like garbage.
By the owner gets on his knees to fly to
Green Bay to recruit Aaron Rodgers, and then the Hassan
Reddick and the firing like he had no power. I'm
sure right now, I was just texting somebody who knows
Douglas and he's like, oh, he gets to spend the
holiday with his family instead of being in the facility
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on a team that with a bunch of quitters on
defense who aren't playing for the interim coach when they
were playing for Salo last year. So, you know, good
luck to Joe Douglas. He doesn't need this crap. Nobody
needs to be there.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Joe Douglas is good at what he does. I'll defense,
I'll defend him forever.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
He's gonna be hired, probably back in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Good call, Nick Wright heard hierarchy Next
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us part of your day. One hour from now, the
Herd Hierarchy. The truth is coming out. I'll just give
your heads up. Cowboys aren't in the top ten. I
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want you to be disappointed. An hour from now, Nick Wright,
Michael Urban stops by Jmax. I am a believer. You know,
when somebody goes into bankruptcy, they have protection, government protection.
You can Chapter eleven, Chapter seven. The NFL doesn't do that.
And the Dallas Cowboys right now, as a football roster,
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are bankrupt right and there's no government protection. So I
want to start the show today with this. No need
to talk about the game, the Cowboy roster and the
franchise right now is essentially bankrupt. So Jerry Jones, in
his life he was a wildcatter. I'll get to that
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in a minute. But when he's taken big swings football
and non football, it's paid off. Remember he bought an
NFL team, I mean wedged in to buy it. Jimmy
Johnson as told me the first year and a half
he was paying bills. He took a big swing to
buy that team and it a barely qualified. He fires
Tom Landry, he hires Jimmy Johnson, he brings in Dion Sanders.
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Big swings, and Jerry's always been rewarded with those. It's
when Jerry plays is it safe, it doesn't work out.
Re signing Dak because you know, as Dak's here, will
you know will be competent, will be good in the
regular season. Or replacing Jason Garrett with Mike McCarthy somebody
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who needed a job and Jerry could control. Or letting
go of Amari Cooper to give us more cap flexibility,
or let's pass on Dereck Henry because you know, at
eight million dollars it's a little too much. Every time
Jerry plays it safe and comfortable, that's all you get
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He's preached that resigning DAK. You really think DAK forget
the NFC. You think Dak's gonna beat Josh Allen, Burrow,
Herbert now with Harbaugh, Mahomes and a Super Bowl and
hoisted trophy. Bruh, Come on, we have a grown up talk.
Jerry also has to consider that Jaden Daniels is now
in his de vision twice a year, twenty times minimum
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over the next decade, and Jalen Hurts with that roster
in Philadelphia significantly better. The Lions are just moving into
a three to four year dominant window. And oh yeah,
the Packers and Jordan Love are stacked with young talent
not being paid for several years. Again, that's just the NFC,
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forget that. In my lifetime, I've never seen a conference
like the AFC where the five best quarterbacks are all
in their prime Burrough, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar Jackson. So if
Dallas after they lose their next game, they're a three
and eight team. After they lose, they lose their next
game at Washington, they face the Giants on Thanksgiving. If
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they lose that game, and I suspect they will. I
like the Giants more, even with Tommy DeVito. I don't
think Dallas wins another game. Carolina is trying to build
a culture, build a staff, build momentum for next year,
and find out if Bryce Young is the guy they're
planning for stuff. Dallas is playing for nothing. So let's
go back start looking at the draft order right now.
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If Dallas doesn't beat the Giants, so Jacksonville and Tennessee
are above them, but they play each other twice. Cleveland's
do talented did not win a couple more games. Jets
will won another game, Carolina wants to. I mean, I'm
watching the Patriots. They're giving the Rams a struggle. They're
gonna win more games. They're playing for something. Rookie coach,
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rookie quarterback, the Giants and Vegas. If the Cowboys beat
the Giants, this may not matter. But if the Giants
win the Cowboys, in my opinion, it'll be the Giants,
the Cowboys, and the Raiders all vying for that number
one pick. And I'm here to tell you if I
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was the Dallas Cowboys, I don't care about Dak's new contract.
I would go get Dion Sanders and I would sign.
I would pick shaduor Sanders. If I had to give
up Micah Parsons and three firsts, I would do it.
You do not get out of bankruptcy putting thirteen dollars
a month into your four to oh one K. You
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get out of it with big swings. That's how you
get out of it. You start looking at the draft order.
You look at Dallas's schedule. The only team they play
the rest of the year that's got nothing to play
for is the Giants. If the Giants can beat him,
and Dallas is awful at home, not much better on
the road, they got a shot to get the number
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one pick. They got a real shot. Yes, Dak will
be upset if you draft shaduor Sanders. So what Denver
Broncos Russell Wilson was upset? They moved off him. They're
in cap Hell? So what the Denver Broncos are viable?
Why they went and got a great coach, and they
went and got a great rookie quarterback and all of
a sudden, Denver in the playoffs in the better conference.
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They may not stay there, but they went from cap
hell finn roster, missing draft picks, embarrassing franchise. Two is
Sean Payton coach of the year and bow Nick is
he the best rookie quarterback? They took big swings. Sean
Payton was a big expensive swing fifteen million, eighteen million
a year. Bow Nick's a quarterback. Play him day one,
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big swing. Move off Russell Wilson and pay the contract.
Pittsburgh gets him for a nickel. Pittsburgh wins, but so
does Denver. You're not getting out of this mess. This
team is this roster's bankrupt. Move off, Micah, give up
three picks if you don't beat the Giants and you
got nothing to play for. I'd argue Brian Dabele has
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something to play for his job. The weird Giants could
run him out of town. But if you go to
the end of the Troy Aikman era, after Troy Aikman
left and before Tony Romo arrived, what do they do.
They went and got Bill Parcells. That's the first thing.
Let's go get Bill Parcels. And then they found Tony Romo.
But the difference is Tony Romo was undrafted, so he
was free for five years. Whoever gets this roster, here
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are a handcuff with Dak's contract. You know Dak is
a ninety million dollar cap hit next year. Now they'll
restructure it. But if you go get Shador Sanders, who
is a much better prospect than Dak, and Dak, by
the way, after his first surgery, lost mobility, what's he
going to be after this? Lisa Salter said last night
last night, eight months? Not back for eight months? What what?
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Ninety million? He's not back in eight months? The last surgery,
he became immobile. He became Kirk Cousins, but he didn't
throw as well as Kirk Cousins. What's he after the
second surgery? So what if he's upset? Russell Wilson was upset.
Russell's happy. Now you move Dak, even if you have
to pay eighty percent of his salary. If you hit
in a quarterback, If shaanor Sanders is great, nobody cares
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Tom Landry. I can't believe you fired Tom Landry. Two
years later, nobody cared Jimmy Johnson, Dion Sanders. How can
you bring in Dion Sanders? Oh, he's great? Super Bowl
nobody cares. I can't believe Jerry bought an NFL team.
He's a wildcatter. He can barely afford it. Jimmy Johnson wins,
nobody cares. Everybody now joins the avalanche. Everybody would crap
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on you with moving off Dak Prescott, who cares? God?
Joe Rogan goes through a controversy a week. Who cares?
Win games? Take swings? Jerry was a wildcatter. And I'm
sure most of you know what a wildcatter is. It's
a speculation business. You're drilling holes in the earth and
you don't know what's down there. But here's the thing,
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Shador Sanders and Dion Sanders are not speculation. You know
what Dion is as a college coach and as a player,
and as a leader and as a culture builder. And
I'm telling you, Shadur Sanders is a great prospect. He's
the only quarterback in this class I like. But he's
a great prospect. But if you want to sit around
to be average, then make average moves. Don't offend anybody.
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Make that happy. But Russell Wilson was pissed when they
got rid of him. He's happy. Now send Dak somewhere,
pay most of his salary. Guy's gonna get paid. I mean,
you saw Dak about three weeks ago in sidelines. Remember
what the cameras caught him saying, this team blanking socks.
Those were Dax words. The camera caught it. Does he
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really want to be there? If tomorrow you found out
Dak went somewhere to an organization that lost a quarterback
to injury and as a stacked roster, you think he'd
be broken hearted. He's a pro athlete. I wouldn't blame him.
Pro athletes should take care of pro athletes, not worry
about the billionaire owner. But I mean Jaden Daniels, Jalen
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Hurts in division. I mean that five great quarterbacks in
the AFC, all in their prime, all of them. You
think you're winning with this roster, take a huge swing.
If you lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving because you're
losing the Washington you're a ten point dog. Next week,
you have a real shot to end up in that
top two or three. I'd give up Micah. I'd move
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three first round picks if I had to. Of course,
the Giants aren't going to give you that. They don't care,
nor would the Raiders. But the Raiders play hard. The
Raiders play hard, they play hard. They're gonna win another
football game. The next six, seven weeks or whatever it is.
Jerry Jones after last night's predictable loss, Jerry is three
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and seven. If you still hope that the season could
tur us, well.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's ten games and certainly where the numbers are are
coming to us, and certainly we have to be realistic
about how we're playing. We have to be realistic. But
what we're dealing with at quarterback. The guys that were
out there tonight did some good things, but they made
some real mistakes.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The Texans scored on the first play of the game, Oh,
ineligible man downfield, which is a dumb rule. But I
mean then a couple of plays later, Joe Mixon, who
had three touchdowns. I mean, it's Jerry's history is big swings.
I don't even think Shadeur Sanders is a big swing.
I think trading Micah three first round picks is like ooh,
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but this is not a Trey Lance situation in San Francisco.
Shadeur can play. Shouldar's dad was the greatest corner ever.
Shadur can play. We got like a lot of games.
Now again, other teams that have given up three first
round picks, you got a guy from a small college
that we haven't seen much video, and Chadur's been crushing
it everywhere he's been. He has a chance to win
a big twelve. And I gotta tell you something, I
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got no problem with Dion Sanders as an NFL coach.
Did you think he was gonna stay in Colorado forever?
It's a great story. It's not a great team. Colorado
when he took it over was the Burke's program in
the country. They don't have big nil money, they don't
have big boosters. And I think he's done a great job,
and I think he loves what he does, and I
think he's elevated the lives of young people full and
his son leaves. You really see, you really see Dion
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is the future of Colorado football. I can see him
as the future of the Dallas Cowboys. That smells about right.
Jmack swings gotta take big swings.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
So close the curtains on the stadium, close the curtains
on the season. Is that the strategy here?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just shut it down?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The only problem is can you convince an eighty two
year old who wouldn't spend for Derrick Henry to go
all in and tank for Shadur Sanders, an eighty two
year old. It's one thing at sixty fifty to forty.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
By the way, this idea that if you tank and
get Schadueur Sanders, we won't be viable. Denver got Bo Nicks,
who isn't the prospect Schaduur Sanders is Denver's in the
playoffs right now? Okay, this is the NFL. Houston was
the laughing stock of the league. Dimiko, Ryan c J.
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Stroud playoff team. This is not baseball where if you
don't have the money you can't compete. It's not the NBA.
If you don't have two stars, you can't compete. It
took Denver years and years and years to build that.
Andrew Luck shows up to the Colts. They went eleven games.
An eleven games don't eleven games, didn't win Super Bowls.
They were immediately legit.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Would you consider sitting Shadure for a year behind Dak?
Then yes, Dak.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I would go to Dak and say, hey, listen, we're
gonna do this thing. If you want to stick up
for a year, that's great, and Dak would probably go now, no, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna do that. And by the way, you
moved Russell. We've seen this before. Dead cap money. If
you hit on a quarterback gets mitigate. It does not
pull you down. If you get the right coach and
quarterback in this league, look at Hardball right right now.
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I mean like Hardball's the same roster with a better
right tackle and a receiver they like, then may be
the best team on certain Sundays in the league. This
is not a hard league to figure out. Quarterback coach
is right, you're good. You got a star CD Lamb,
you got a couple of young offensive linemen. You got
to get a running back. Quarterback. By the way, if
Shadur Sanders can run, you don't have to have a
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great I mean, do you have to have a great
running back room for years? When Josh Allen broke into
the league the first four years, he as you're running game.
Did Cam Newton need a great running back room the McCaffrey,
But did he need one the first three or four
years with a highly mobile quarterback. It's nice that Kyler
Murray has now Connor now, but for several years in
the league he becomes like quarterback slash number two running back.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So Thanksgiving Cowboys play every year. I believe they have
the Giants this year. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
So DeVito Cooper rush on Thanksgiving and attack.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I would take an attack Giants because Brian Daball has
something to coach for. You think Brian Dable. You think
Brian Dabele's going to retain his job, Mike Mike McCarthy isn't.
But you think you think Brian Daball in New York,
with that relentless media is going to keep his job
with six more wins losses in US.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Essentially, the Giants and Cowboys are in a race for SCHEDUS.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think it's I really believe it because I think
if you start looking at teams like Jacksonville, Cleveland, New England,
they're gonna win games. I think the Raiders play too
hard not to win games, and I think Antonio Pierce
is too pride full and two competitives. He's trying to
keep his job. They'll win a game.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, Callahan and Tennessee they're.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Trying to you will You watched last night Shuston's first
play on the road. Dallas isn't losing. They're getting blown
out at home. You start looking at that board. It's
Carolina's plan for something. Brian Dables coaching for something, if
Stefanski's coaching for something.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
If the Jags are smarts to start mac Jones and say, hey, Dallas,
give us Michael Parsons and a number one and we'll.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Give you the number one pick.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
You know, some kind of package. It's gonna get excited.
This is a good race for sador.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I like it, Race to the bottom.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
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Speaker 1 (15:43):
All right, welcome back, all right, breaking news, my friends,
breaking news, more change in New York. The Jets have
now fired their general manager, Joe Douglas. Adam Schefter broke
this story. So now it's Robert Sala, who I said,
do not fire. He's the best coach on the staff.
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You do not have a strong enough staff to elevate
some brilliant young DC or OC and the Jets have
been absolutely worse both sides of the ball since Robert
Sala was fired. I think this is another mistake. Now
he missed on a quarterback Zach Wilson, who, for the record,
I didn't like coming out of college. But let's contextualize
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that there was a two year period because of COVID
where college football quarterbacks a lot of smart guys I
know and trust a lot of sources I've had. It
was wonky quarterbacks were playing BYU was playing a weird schedule,
and I mean, you didn't know what to make you
weren't practicing like normal. So general Jets needed a quarterback.
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They took a big swing. He wasn't the only GM
that liked Dak Wilson. I didn't. He did. Multiple guys did.
That's his big miss. But when you look at this
Jets roster, best cornerback tenem in the league, excellent young linebacker,
Quinn Williams. I mean defense, they got players. They're not
coached very well, but they got players. Offensively, they got
a star receiver, they got a really good back, if
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not a great back. This is not a roster that's
void of talent. It's not Carolina or Dallas. There's players here.
I think this is a mistake. I think it's another mistake.
And by way, why would you do it? Now, Well,
why in the world would you do it. Now, the
reason you'd fire Sala early is somebody wanted him out.
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I wonder who that is. Why in the world would
you fire a fire a general manager? Now? Does Aaron
Rodgers think we're idiots like you? Don't do that? Nobody
fires a GM in the middle of a season, complete retoo.
I mean it's first of all, Joe Douglas is an
excellent personnel guy. He knows his stuff. I think this
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is a mistake. Sala was a mistake Joe Douglas, I
think is a mistake. Yes, his records thirty and sixty four.
He missed on the quarterback. But why in the world
would you fire a coach and a GM sixty percent
through a season? Who fires a GM? Now? You know
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what I think it is. I think word got back.
There was a story that broke last week. Remember that
story that broke last week after Aaron said I'd like
to come back, and there was a story about two
days later that said, I'm not sure they want Aaron back.
Aaron read that because Aaron's incredibly reactionary, and somebody had
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to go because Aaron thought that was a leak somewhere
in the building, and maybe it was Joe Douglas, but
Aaron said, I want to come back. And I think
it was two days later, at maybe three, there was
a story saying after they lost to somebody, I forget
who did. It wasn't the Colts. It was the day
game before and it's like, I don't know if anybody's
gonna want him back. And that story was sourced, and
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who who's this source saying that Aaron said, somebody's got
to go. He went to Chris Johnson, one of the
owners upstairs, and made it happen. And he'll deny it
all day long. By the way, Adam Schefter pointing out
under Douglas, the Jets had notable draft success Sauce Gardner,
Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breeze Hall in the same draft. However,
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they never solved the quarterback position. Yeah, that's sixty four
percent of the league, you know. I mean, yes, Kansas
City and Green Bay tend to get the quarterback right.
Everybody else is how long has it been for Miami
to replace Marino? How long did it take Denver to
replace Elway? You know, going from Montana to Steve Young,
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just or Manning to Andrew Luck congratulations or what green
Bay does that in? Even green Bay sits guys for years.
This whole league misses on. I mean San Francisco's well run,
well owned, smartly GM smartly coach. They gave up three
first rounds for Trey Lance. It happens. It's the hardest
position to draft because it's especially with in the COVID space.
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Joe Douglas is guessing they're playing half their games. They're
not practicing. He's pretty was a Gatorade high school player.
He's a pretty athletic college guy. I think it's another mistake.
What an impulsive, weird organization. Jmack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
News No turns, this is the herd line News.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, let's start with Saquon Barkley. Colin. He is in
the MVP conversation because he's having a monster season. However,
he's been tackled eleven times this season at the one
or two yard line, which is most in the league. Obviously,
not having as many touchdowns not going to help the
MVP case. Here's Nick Sirianni talking about Saquon Barkley getting
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taken down at the one or two yard line.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You always think about that. I think one thing we
think about a lot in the red zone a quarterbacks
and he gets tough to lose yardage there, right, So
and you come out and you and and the worst
thing that you can do in red zone football is
is get is moved backwards. Right, You know that it's
one of the worst things that can happen there and
put you behind the sticks. You always want to stay
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ahead of the sticks because things get harder and tighter
down there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, well, I don't look at short yardage is a
huge problem for the Eagles. I think I think eventually
they'll be fine there. The things I worry about are
coaching consistency. But I think getting a yard's never been
in If I have Jalen Hurts, that old line and
Saquon Barkley, I don't think I'm gonna worry much about
getting crucial one yard games.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Barkley's been so good, you know, he's been a bigger
factor than Derrick Henry and Baltimore. I know Henry got
a lot of pub but I think Barkley's been a
bigger deal to the Eagles than Derrick Henry has.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Been to I think there's no question. And I think, well,
first of all, I think he's better. Yeah, he's got
more juice.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And by the way, how bad does it look at
the Giants? Remember they spent five million dollars on Drew
Lock He's now the backup. He was supposed to be
the guy after dinner. Jones are to push it that
five million could have easily been ruled into Saquon Barkley
and the Giants keep it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
By the way, if you're and I'm not advocating getting
rid of people, but if there's a general manager, a
football general manager in New York, you want to have
a question about it's Joe Shane re signing Daniel Jones
to a big contract, that was Joe's idea.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
And punting on Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
That could get you fired. But missing on a college
quarterback like Joe Douglas should not get you fired. He
had a couple of great drafts. I'm telling you right now.
When that story came out saying, you know, Aaron may
not be the answer, somebody had to pay for that.
I guarantee it, and they'll deny it. That's what they do.
But nobody fires a GM now, well, unless there was
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some sort of personal.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Situation, and maybe Woody Johnson thinks he's got a shot
at Belichick. Belichick will give you total control GM and
coach and Joe Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Did not going to the Jets obvious, Joki.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Next up is the forty nine Ers, Colin.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
What a fault.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
They're the only team in the NFL that's been favored
in every game since the start of the season, and
yet here they are five and five, three division losses,
and Colin, they are now favorites to miss the playoffs. Okay,
I mean, it's just crazy to win the Super Bowl,
super duper long shot. When according to DraftKings odds to
make the playoffs plus two hundred, win the division plus
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three fifty, they've got an uphill climb. The injuries are mounting, Colin.
This is a weird situation. And again, I don't put
much stock in social media, but I got a lot
of forty nine Ers fans saying I'm done with Shanahan.
I'm so sick of this guy. Oh, I don't understand it,
settle down, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I didn't like Ricky Pearsall as a pick in the
first round. I would have gotten a right tackle or
a left tackle. So I like John Lynch. But some
of this the Trey Lance move, that's not solely. There
was a story that he wanted more of a pocket
guy or Kirk Cousins. So I Kyle's a very good coach.
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This is an increasingly old, brittle roster. That's the problem.
They've missed on just enough draft picks and given up
just enough first round picks where they need about three
more dynamic players and they'd have them if they hit
on draft picks or had first round draft picks.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Okay, let's Shanahan real quick.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So cloth games.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
He has not been good at all. Down right, He's
been bad this year.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
My knock on him has always been he stays tied
to his play sheet.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So he blew the game against the Rams, remember that
one that was catastrophic loss. He blew the game against Arizona.
You could argue he blew the game against Seattle late.
I mean, just the poor decisions. Special teams hasn't been there.
They couldn't get up for that Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He will be out of work like Andy Reid for
five minutes. I'm not saying. Always ask yourself, if you're
thinking about fireing the coach, how long if you're thinking
about firing anybody or letting anybody go, how long will
they be unemployed? If the answer is not very long,
don't be an idiot.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And what's life going to be like in say Francisco
without Kyle Shanning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I've seen it without Kyle Shanahan and Harbaugh the last
twenty years a wreck. You know that Shanahan is not
He's had you know what's amazing? Think about this? So
when Andy Reid coached in Philadelphia? What was ask yourself everybody,
because you were all banging on Andy Reid. I wasn't.
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I would defend him to the end, and I have forever.
What did everybody bang on Andy Reid for? No? What
it wasn't just that? You know he's not very good
managing the clock. Isn't it funny when he landed Mahomes
He's now the best in the league managing the clock?
Did Andy Reid just figure out how to tell time
in the last ten years? No, When you get a
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great quarterback, it's amazing how good you get late in games?
Brought Purty is fine, He's fine. He's not the problem
in San Francisco. No, but he's not the solution either.
To an aging roster. He's not the solution. The solution
a star quarterback. Come on the solution everywhere. Yeah, just
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grab me a star quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
They grow on trees. They'll take one, let me take two.
I'll take two stars. That doesn't it doesn't work like that.
It's gonna be interesting. I do think Shanahan has to
take some ownership of blowing multiple fourth quarter leads this season.
You got me, he has not been great in fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
I don't think you fire him, but I think he's
got to like reevaluate some things about what I'm doing.
As for the talent on that team, they got too
many dudes. They are getting a little old. I would agree,
but like Jennings is really good. Deebo's added up and
down year pearsaw flash two weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So you and I questioned you and I said this
when they drafted Pearsall my take is, Okay, are you
gonna move off debo? Because Deebo has a market, not
a great market, but a market, kay Yuk. You and
I wondered if I Yuke was worth signing you know,
I mean we You and I both said they got
a lot of weapons. That's not a need. You know,
their their need is to stay young around both on
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the defensive line, improve their offensive line. So I haven't agreed.
I love John Lynch, but there's a lot of things
upstairs I have not agreed with. It's well organization, I'm
not denying that, but they've missed on some picks. They've
given up picks.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's just dawned upon me. The two noisiest players this
entire offseason where Brandon and I you in San Francisco,
and Dak Prescott and Dallas, and they both ended up
getting injured and are out for the season and both
teams are cratering.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I don't think Dak was noisy, was he?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
He was waiting for his contract all summer. They asked
him that literally every week.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, they asked him that.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I was doing body language stuff and da I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Look at Dak as noisy, are you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Final story is, uh, let's go back to the Houston
Texans last night. I don't know, Kyle, I was not
overly impressed. I know they got the win, they got
the cover, thank you, but don know they had been
struggling to score in the second half of games and okay,
they got one yesterday with Mixes.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Can I ask this question?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, I've always said up. I didn't do this for
a living, my dream jobs NFLGM. Do you know what
the Houston Texans gave up to get Joe Mixon, who
I have been saying four years is a poor man's
Adrian Peterson. They gave up a seventh round pick for him.
The Cowboys spent a fourth on a receiver last night
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that had zero yards?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Zero yards? Joe Mixon. I've been saying this for three years.
What is Cincinnati doing? They're not the same team without
Joe Mixon because they can't kill the clock. It's all
vertical scoring. So Cincinnati can score, but they can ever
night Detroit kill the clock, have a lead and drain
the clock out and win. That's why they give up
so much stuff late. Cincinnati's a bad team late in games,
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not because a Burrow. They can't kill the clock like
Detroit or a good run team like Philadelphia. Yeah, it's
amazing to me that Joe Mixon was available for a
seventh round pick.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Demiko Ryans talked about how the Texans hope to keep
the momentum.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Going the run game stars that our offensive line. I
asked him to challenge them to play fast, play aggressive.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Thought they did a really nice job.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
And Joe and know when he's when he's on, he's
a force.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Wars over one.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Hundred yards, three touchdowns. Is really like the way we
just kept turning it in a run game. And proud
of the guys we're stepping up to the challenge.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I liked it. I like Houston. Houston's Green Bay of
the AFC, probably a year away, but the coach, the quarterback,
the young players are fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
So a couple of teams went out and got wide
receivers this offseason with quarterbacks on the rookie deal. The
Bears got Keenan Allen right and the Texas got Stefan Diggs.
Both of their offensive lines stick. Okay, Caleb was sacked
nine times two weeks ago, and you know the offensive
line of the Texans seems to cave on every possession. Yeah,
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we need to remember in the offseason, does trenches matter?
Don't go get the wide receiver. We got to build
the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, look a hardball went and got a right tackle,
Joe Alt who has been spectacular and suddenly with JK
Dobbins and Joe Alt what happens Herbert doesn't have to
throw forty five times a game. It's totally changed the
offensive culture. Yeah, it's bullyball. So we're gonna we do
this every offseas. He said, Oh, look at that flashy
wide receiver going to go grabbing free agency. Just remember
the trenches matter. And by the way, the Dallas Cowboys
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they lost.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It looked like three offensive linemen last night to injury.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know if Geyiton got hurt on the play
where he scooped up the fumble and got drilled, or
they benched him because he tried to ring up the football.
That's something happened there. But I was stunned at how
inept they looked. And Colin, I couldn't you said, they're
ten point underdogs.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Against the Commanders. I like the Commanders. I think I too. No,
it's my favorite bet of the week. I hate big favorites.
I told this week. Remember at the Blazing five at
the end, I said, take Detroit. I don't bet double
digit favorites, but take Detroit.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And Washington's off extra rest from Thursday, Dallas short week.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh I love Washington, Ok. I love the Commanders minus
ten against the Cowboys. Love it extra rest for Kingsbury
to cook up some stuff. J Mack with the news,
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Jamack.
Can I lock it in now? Can that be my
lock in game? I'm gonna lock in Commanders, my ten
against Dallas. That's my lock in game. I get one
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like every couple of weeks. And the show's called The Herd.
Why can't we do it? Ryan's like, yeah, I mean
to go ahead, lock it in. There's no provision, no
no law. We can't. FCC is not going to come
down on this Herd Hierarchy and Nick Wright top of
the Hour.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
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Speaker 4 (31:25):
A huge doubleheader. First at seven Eastern alex Caravan lead
second ranked Yukon as the defending national champs take on
East Texas A and M. Then at nine six ranth
Perdue battle's number fifteen Marquette. But I'll tits off tonight
on FS one.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Nobody with the initials E Tamu is beating Yukon. I'm
just gonna tell you that right now, I like Yukon
in that game.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
That second game is a good one, just FYI.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, first one could be a good one, but
I doubt it. Just to give you some sense, Nick
right top of next hour Herd hierarchy if you haven't heard,
the Jets fired little past midseason their general manager, Joe
Douglas after a story leaked in the last week that
maybe the Jets would not would not view Aaron Rodgers
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next year and beyond as their future. You think it's
a coincidence. I'm just gonna say Packers offense got better
when he left, and he was better then than he
is now. But it's not a coincidence. The general manager
and the Jets is fired about a week after a
story surfaced that the Jets the Jets were uncertain if
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Aaron was the future. This is an Aaron job, you
know it is. Yeah, And I think Joe Douglas is
more than capable. Top half of the NFL general manager.
He missed on a quarterback during COVID All sorts of
gms did John Lynch in San Francisco. Trey Lance missed
on him. There was about a year and a half
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two years the COVID quarterback class rough, nobody knew what
to do, Teams weren't practicing, teams were playing weird, abnormal schedules.
Just saying, I wouldn't have fired him. I wouldn't have
fired Robert Solo. Every media guy in New York all
the problems were Robert Sola. Remember that. You'd think you'd
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be a little embarrassed about that take. And I said,
never fire the best coach on your staff. Sala was
the best coach on the staff. The defense has regressed,
the team is worse since he left. Now let's fire
the GM. Just go look at his Brice Hall draft.
I mean, the guys had a couple of big time
drafts to hit in a lot of players, far more
hits than misses. They have an elite wide receiver. I
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mean they were able to eventually sign Aaron Rodgers, which
at the time looked like a pretty good deal. Top
running back rush ends, best corner duo in the league,
interesting active athletic linebackers. Just saying, so, here's some stats
generally speak over the course of the last thirty forty years.
The Super Bowl Champions are a team much like in
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college football. Last year, Michigan wins the National Championship, and
they were so good they decided in a big road game,
we're not going to throw the ball entire second half.
We don't even need our coach on the sidelines. We're
not going to throw the ball. They beat Penn State.
That's when you're dominant. Historically, the team that wins the
College football National Championship has about eight wins by double digits.
They roll people. That's why I say I need Ohio
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State to roll Indiana because they lost to Oregon. So
when you play good teams, I need your roll over
some of these teams. The Lions are doing what Super
Bowl winning teams do. The Lions' fourth game this season
with more touchdowns than incompletions this past weekend, three wins
by thirty eight plus points. The rest of the NFL
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has zero such games, and the opposing quarterbacks have an
NFL low seventy three point six passer ringing against the
Lions this season. And you don't think Detroit has a
great defense, what's happening is is Detroit is so dumbed
offensively that they get two and three touchdown leads by
the middle of the second quarter and opponents have to
throw and so Detroit by the middle of the second
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quarter knows exactly what your offense is gonna do. So
even though Aiden Hutchison is not there, they're a tremendous
third down defense. Nobody's running the ball against Detroit. By
the middle of the second quarter, you gotta throw. So
it's a real Their offense is so dominant. It's very
much like the Randy Moss Patriots. They let everybody often
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big by the beginning of the second quarter, and New
England's like, well, right, Belichick, do your magic. They gotta throw.
They're not going to run their way back into this thing,
and so they really I think it's a great story.
I got people from Michigan. In my family. The Lions
have become the little brother that has a growth spurt
and one day he walks out of his bedroom. He's
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six ' five, sounds like a man, and asks dad
if he could borrow his razor. This is bullyball. And
here's what's amazing. Jared Goff won a game and had
eighty five yards passing. Jared Goff won a game with
four hundred yards passing, and in both games they scored
fifty two points. It's almost like They're the only team
in the league that can win by blowout consistently and
quarterback does not become crucial. That is a dominant team.
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The rest of the NFL Chargers win. Herbert's got to
be good. I mean, it got to be good. It's
that's kind of the rule. San Francisco had a few
years with Garoppolo and Brock Purdy. Quarterback didn't have to
be great and they could win. That's a big time roster.
Detroit's become that now. I think Jared Goff's really good,
but you start looking at I'm looking this morning at
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some of Jared Goff's wins. He won a road game
with five picks and he won a game with twelve completions.
I mean, Mahomes usually has to play well or Kansas
City's not gonna win if he's terrible. He didn't have
to be great. But they are all sorts of different.
Here's Matt Hasselback yesterday on kind of the new look Lions.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
This is a situation where these guys have been picked
on for years and years and years, and Dan Campbell
has sold them something and I think everybody, even the
fan base, has bought into it. Like here's how we
get back. We punched the bully in the mouth, and
it started on primetime against Dallas, and this team really
hasn't looked back. They're the new Bully. Like the Detroit Lions,
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have earned the respect of the entire league.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
There's no doubt about that. Yeah, I think it's pretty special.
And I've said it did feel inevitable that it was
going to be Kansas City and Detroit in the Super Bowl,
and I still think it feels inevitable that it's going
to be Detroit or Kansas City or Buffalo in the
Super Bowl. Those feel like the three teams to me
that have separated from the league. And I think there's
other teams like the Chargers, the Eagles, Pittsburgh that are
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clearly capable of winning a playoff game or two playoff games.
But doesn't it feel like Lions, Chiefs, Bills just feel different. Situationally,
Kansas City is the best roster, Detroit feels like the
best of those three, and Buffalo's a little bit of both.
Josh Allen makes some great situationally, Sean McDermott good coach situationally,
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and I like their roster and their offensive weapons. So
j mack heard hierarchy, hierarchy top of next hour. I
have a team with four and six record in my
heard hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Uh okay, excited for that. Let me quickly go back
to something you said on Joe Douglas. He he whiffed on
a quarterback in the COVID draft, right, so he got
Zach Wilson didn't work out. Can I just remind you
of the other guys who went in the first round
in that draft.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So Trevor Lawrence went one, He's been a disappear.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
He's about to be on his third head coach, but
he was a disappointment. Trey Lance went third. He is
on his second team.
Speaker 7 (38:35):
He's a backup.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Uh is he justin fields when miss Miss? Yeah, it's
a whiff. He's on a second team.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Mac Jones went miss Miss.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay, So no quarterbacks panned out from that draft. So
I'm not I'm not listen. I'm not defending Joe Douglas here,
but this idea that, oh, he may whiffed on Zach Wilson. Like, okay,
every quarterback in that draft.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, no, and everybody I listen. I talked to a
general manager in the league that year that did not
need a quarterback right And he told me, he said, Colin,
I don't like any of these. He goes, I don't
have enough tape. The practice schedules are different, the game
schedules are different. He goes, I am so glad I
don't have to draft a quarterback. So if you're firing
(39:17):
him because he missed on that.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
That's yeah. By the way, he was in Baltimore, a
classy organization that drafts well, and you treated him like garbage.
By the owner gets on his knees to fly to
Green Bay to recruit Aaron Rodgers, and then the Hassan
Reddick and the firing like he had no power. I'm
sure right now, I was just texting somebody who knows
Douglas and he's like, oh, he gets to spend the
holiday with his family instead of being in the facility
(39:40):
on a team that with a bunch of quitters on
defense who aren't playing for the interim coach when they
were playing for Salo last year. So, you know, good
luck to Joe Douglas. He doesn't need this crap. Nobody
needs to be there.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Joe Douglas is good at what he does. I'll defense,
I'll defend him forever.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
He's gonna be hired, probably back in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Good call, Nick Wright heard hierarchy Next
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