November 19, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin gives his new Herd Hierarchy after week 11 of the NFL
Is it fair to call Ravens QB Lamar Jackson a choker?
Colin was right about Broncos QB Bo Nix
Guest: Nick Wright
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
By the way, the Jets fired Joe Douglas's mistake. Have
named Phil Savage, who ran the Senior ball for years,
the interim GM. So all right, letta go Jets. I'll
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see what I thought. Fireman Ed may get the job.
Hush circus.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just had to email the staff. I'm going to
be out later this week because I'm flying to interview
for the It's job on Friday, so I'm gonna miss Fiday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So sorry about that circus. All right, Nick Riot's coming
around the corner. Apparently he disagrees with my cowboys have
got to go all in. It's a bankrupt roster. Go
get Shadeur Sanders, give up Micah Parsons three first round picks.
Shadur is a really, really high end quarterback prospect. But
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you're you're not catching Detroit Kansas City. Go look at
the AFC. How good the quarterbacks are. Mahomes in his prime,
Lamar and his prime, Josh and his prime, Burrow and
his prime, Herbert is prime. That's just the AFC. Jayden
Daniels in your division, and Jayden Daniels in your division
play him twenty times over the next ten years. Jalen
Hurts in Philadelphia, Jared Goff's roster stacked. I mean you
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can go, you can go. Hey, let's bring back Dack.
You know what, Dallas go? Look at Denver, got the
coach right, drafted the right quarterback, and they got ninety
billion dollars of Russell Wilson dead cap money, and right
now they're in the AFC playoffs. It's a coach quarterback league.
Get it right, everything else floats, nothing else matters. All right.
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Time for the top ten. Heard hierarchy, Here we go,
heard hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Time is now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
This is not standings. Miami is four and six. I
don't care. They're averaging twenty eight a games since Tua
came back. They lead conversion rate on third down sixty
one percent since Tua came back. He's seventy eight percent
completion percentage since Tua comes back. Coach and Quarterback League
fourth easiest schedule remaining. They hammered the Rams, should have
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beaten Buffalo, hammered the Raiders. I don't care. This is
not standings. This is a top ten team right now,
I wouldn't want to play them. I wouldn't mind playing
them in January in cold weather, but right now, I
wouldn't want to play the Dolphins. Number nine. Vikings only
two losses this year to the Lions in Rams, top
ten scoring offense, top five scoring defense. I think Brian
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Flores deserves another head coaching job. Their defense is not
the best in the league. They lead the NFL in takeaways.
That's coaching. They're fooling people, They're fooling quarterbacks. This is
a dangerous team. I think Sam Darnold's reckless nature will
eventually hurt them in January in big games, But right
now they're nine, number eight. I like Arizona. People have
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been crapping on Kyler Murray for years. I think he's great.
Cardinals have not allowed a touchdown in three straight home games.
I think their defensive head coach knows what he's doing.
Kyler this year, for all you people that bang on him,
seventy percent completion percentage, one hundred and one passer rating,
four game winning streak. I love watching Arizona play. I
love their offensive pieces. I think they need another draft
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to get more complete. Here's another team I would have
no interest playing in the playoffs, Arizona Cardinals eight number seven. Ravens. Listen,
They're two and four in games where they asked Lamar
to pass thirty times or more so, stop doing it
every time they face the Chiefs. Every time they face
the Steelers, they lose their identity. Derrick Henry disappears in
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the fourth quarter. They passed thirty three times, they ran
like nineteen.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm telling you I think I think Lamar Superman, but
clearly Spags and Mike tomlin Or is kryptonite. Ravens at seven,
number six, I think the Chargers feel a lot like
to me, the Chiefs. Really good coaches Jesse Minner, Jim Harbaugh,
Justin Herbert, little light on weapons. First time they allowed
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twenty points or more this season, four game winning streak,
fewest giveaways, they do not turn the ball over. Twenty
one sacks during the four game streak. I'm telling you
they it's like Kansas City. You wish they had a
dominant number one receiver, but the culture, the toughness, the
defensive coordinator, the coach, the quarterback. Chargers at six, number five,
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the Steelers beat them. I think if they played again
it would be a coin flip. But I'll put this.
I mean, listen, they held Lamar to under fifty percent
completion rate, and Derek Henry and her seventy rushing yards.
And Russell Wilson is four to oh as a starter.
Here's what I really like about him. They're five and
zero against teams with a winning record. That's so Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin's off. His teams often played poorly against mediocre teams,
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are bad teams. But if you back Mike Tomlin teams
into a corner against the winning team or they're an underdog,
they're fantastic. Two to oher in games this year without
scoring a touchdown. The rest of the league is two
and eighteen, so they can win multiple ways. Pittsburgh get five,
number four. I think Philly's got the best roster in
the league, lead the NFL in yardage differential seven to
zero when aj Brown plays. Their defense over the last
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six weeks has given up less than two touchdowns. Nick
Seriani to me, has stepped back and let his coordinators coordinate,
and that's when he's at his best. I do think
their roster they're the best roster in terms of rising
young stars, stars in their prime, and old stars, where
I think Detroit doesn't have as many veteran stars. They're
mostly younger going into their prime. But I have Philadelphia
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at four, number three, and the final three teams are
the only teams I think can win the Super Bowl.
Kansas City Listen Mahomes has a lot of picks. He's
got eleven, but here's the thing to remember. They're still
the best third down offense in the league fifty two percent,
and Mahomes has still been unbelievable in the fourth quarter
one zho nine point nine passer rating, So I do
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think interceptions do matter in big, big games, and he's
had some ugly ones this year. But they're still to
say they're bad offensively, No, they're not. They're great on
third down and great in the fourth quarter. And that's
all I mostly give a rip about. But I'm gonna
put him third this week.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Buffalo beat him, and Buffalo beat him without three of
their starters. Offensively, I think this is the best Buffalo
team I've seen for years and years. They didn't have
a good running back. Now they do. Now they have
two good tight ends. Although Kincaid didn't play. I think
the young rookie receiver and Amari Cooper are really nice.
Plus they have the slot from Boise State eight. I
think this is the best version of Buffalo. I don't listen.
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Four straight regular season went against Kansas City. It's this
is not like Baltimore and Pittsburgh where the Steelers are
in Lamar Jackson's head, that's not this. They beat Kansas City,
they just don't beat him when they want to beat him.
In January, Number one, listen Detroit's numbers data. I still
question them if they got to a Super Bowl situationally,
but I mean, they're the second team to score fifty
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plus points in back to back home game since the
seventy merger. It's like a college team. They get ahead
there Randy Moss Patriots, where they get ahead of so
many teams by seventeen points at the beginning of the
second quarter that it actually makes their defense much more
lethal because everybody, by the mid second quarter you have
to pass. So even though I don't love all their
defense at personnel, it's the best third down defense on
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any given Sunday in the league because everybody in Detroit
knows what's coming. It's the Randy Moss Patriots. Was that
the best Patriots defense? No, But when you lead twenty
seven to seven mid second quarter, there's only one way
to get back in the game. You have to throw,
and your edge rushers know it. There you go the
Herd hierarchy again. The three teams at the top are
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all trophy hoisting teams. To me, I still have reservations
on Philly, though I love their roster. And with that,
Nick right, co host, First things first, joining us live,
all right, First, let's attack that. What don't you like
about that? All right?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Lets find that Kansas City deserves to drop I suppose,
so I'm not going to argue with you about that.
I want to talk about Baltimore because you are the
tip of the spear of the Lamar Jackson discourse, and
I find it confusing. Okay, because this is and we
might disagree a lot today, Colm, but no more so
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than on this point. This is what I feel like
the Ravens and Lamar news cycle has been this season.
The Ravens play great, the offense scores a lot of points,
and I am inundated with Lamar is clearly the MVP.
He's one of the greatest players we've ever seen. Yes,
drop back passing used to be a problem for him,
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not anymore. What more can you ask for from a player?
And then they lose a game and the discourse is this,
why'd they give Lamar the ball so much?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Shouldn't they be handing it off?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
And I'm like, I don't know, man, Like I'm told
all week long, he's the best quarterback in football. And
then every time they lose without fail, the commentary is, man,
they sure trusted their quarterback a lot in that game
instead of the thirty year old running back.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's a confusing cycle to get okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And hold on, I have one more.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
And then I'll shut up because it is your show.
As it happens, we all just killed Aaron Judge for
MVP and then playoff failure. If Aaron Judge also happened
to be terrible against the hated rival Red Sox and
the dynasty of his era Astros, we'd probably be like, Oh,
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it's definitely a thing that it's in his head, the playoffs,
the division rivalry, the other big game. But that's Lamar,
and I'm the bad guy for saying it. But playoffs,
Steelers Chiefs terrible every other scenario, wins eighty percent of
his games, and we're just gonna give him the MVP
every year. It seems odd to me, Colin, that's all
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just a little odd.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Little confusing. Well, first of all, I wouldn't compare it
to baseball, because even the best player O Taani is
not the identity of the Dodgers. I would argue their
bullpen was crucial in the World Series, so baseball is different. Sure,
I do, and I've said this. I don't think Mahomes
is the heart and soul of the Chiefs. I think
it's the trifecta of GM coach and Mahomes. I think
Lamar is the soul of the franchise. He is the
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franchise they built every because he's so unique, you have
to build a whole offense differently. You have to play
a certain way. My criticism is the city doesn't. They
can go run centric, they can go deep ball, they
can go underneath. Kansas City can beat you to eight ways.
They cannot score and beat you with spags. But the
identity of Baltimore, the sole identity is we are leaning
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into you all. I'm asking in the biggest games not
become finesse football Miami Dolphins, like, this is what your
identity is? Lean Kansas City, I know what I get
close games, spags. Mahomes makes a great third down play.
They don't bail on that in January. Baltimore in every
big game becomes something they're not.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Well, okay, but I guess my point is, then then
how do we square that Baltimore's identity needs to be
smash mouth, run the ball, and also their quarterbacks about
to be the two time back to back MVP.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, because first of all, nobody don't get it. Nobody
thinks Lamar is better than Mahomes. What we think is
athletically he's crazy. You know what he is. It's Nolan Ryan.
Nobody thought Nolan Ryan was as good as Tom Sever
but he threw harder and he had more or no hitters,
and he was like the seventh Wonder of the world.
But we all knew sever was better than Nolan. We
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all know Mahomes is better than Lamar, but Lamar does
stuff that looks like a twenty seven year old high
schooler playing. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, so we
all know Mahomes is better. He's the best. He's the best.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And this really isn't even a Mahomes thing. It's just
and then we can move on. I just if I
don't have Nolan Ryan's baseball reference in front of me,
But did he instantly snap turn into a seventy ra
three innings pitched guy in the biggest games of his career?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I will say this year, I don't know he did that.
I like the comp okay. Tom Sever was a great
big game pitcher. Nolan won like fifty two percent of
his games, but he was the seventh Wonder of the
world like every fourth start, and he would know hit
your one hit you. So I guess my point is
the MVP doesn't mean a ton to me. I mean,
you know, it's it is what it is. We all
know Mahomes as King of the Hill, Like we all
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get that he's next to Tommy. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I promise this isn't even a Mahomes defense. I just
I feel like young Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning was scrutinized
at a level that if we do to Lamar were
considered mean. Like I just I so and this I
was not surprised. Halfway through the first quarter of the
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Steeler game. I'm like, oh, yeah, Lamar's tight.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He doesn't have it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I'm a jerk for saying it seems like he
gets tightened by the way.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't know, like you do the other Like you
don't like being the popster, You're you're a real victim
on that, like you've made it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I don't on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I don't want.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I want to be like the support Lamar. Everybody likes Lamar.
The people who dislike Lamar the most, I really don't
like those people. I hate being their ally on this.
But yeah, the truth demands fairness and this is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But go ahead, Nick has thrown an Orange Cone into
traffic as whole life. And the one time he does it,
there's a car wreck. He's like, this is outrageous. I'm
being played for it. Okay, let's go to this. I think,
deep down you want to say it, but you don't.
You know, everybody loves the Lions, but deep down you
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don't respect him in a big game, do you.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well, it's not that I don't respect him in a
big game. It's that it's not impossible to win the
super Bowl if you have, as I put it, a
civilian a quarterback in the modern era. But everything's got
to go just right, like in twenty twenty four, when
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there are superheroes playing the position. It is so hard
to win three or four consecutive playoff games if you
have a regular person playing the position. And at Gaulf,
like the Lions, this is what now you can done.
The Niners almost did it last year. Hell, the Eagles
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almost did it two years ago. What Golf has going
for him is it's all civilians in the NFC unless
Stafford can tap back into what he had a couple
of years ago. And you saw a little bit of
that this weekend. All the superheroes are in the other conference,
and I do think Detroit is better positioned than any
team in the league by a mile to absolutely route
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the mediocre to bad teams. If you are not in
Detroit's weight class, they will run you off the field.
They have three wins this year of thirty eight plus.
But I do think that in the biggest spots when
things aren't going exactly right, having your quarterback be able
to save you is something. Whomever they play in the
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Super Bowl, unless it's Pittsburgh, the Detroit opponent is going
to have assuming they get to the super Bowl. So
the Lions are awesome, but I it's you know, we
are nine days removed from Jared Goff having five interceptions
and it could have been eight. Like that is hard
to get out of my head.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Okay, so I want you, I want want to put
you on the spot. Buffalo was missing three offensive starters
and still had three hundred and seventy yards. Great on
third down, dominates time of possession. Forget the Mahomes pick.
He throws a bad one. Every who cares, I mean,
I don't. That's not the end of the world, but
it does look like this is the best version of
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Buffalo would you not acknowledge that that this one is
no question. They're pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This is the best Bills team of the Allen era.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I agree, in.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Part because it's the best Josh Allen yet in my opinion,
And the other part is it's the best offensive line
and the best defensive line that he's had simultaneously. And
so no, I listen, I picked the Bills to be
the two seed. I picked the Bills to win their division.
People were too. One of the reasons the Bills in
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previous years were overrated was because they had name players
who weren't that productive in my eyes. They those players
then left and it made the Bills to me underrated
because we were like, oh man, they lost Highe, they
lost player, they lost Digs, And to me, I was like,
I don't think those are that big losses. I don't
think those players have been great players the last year
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or so, and so no, this, I think the Chiefs
are clearly the best team in football. And I don't
hate the fact that had had they won that game,
they would have essentially locked up the one seed with
seven weeks left, and that could create a weird spot
going into the postseason. So of course, I would have
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liked them to win, but I don't hate that they lost.
But Buffalo is to me the only true threat to
Kansas City in the entire conference.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like I think the I think there, I.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Agree with your top three teams in the league right now.
I might disagree on the order, but I think the
two best teams in football are Kansas City and Buffalo.
And Buffalo is that Josh Allen scrambling. When he does
it that offense, it feels like it's a miracle if
they don't get thirty. They scored thirty on Kansas City,
which had not allowed thirty points in its last thirty games.
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Last time they allowed twenty eight was the Super Bowl
against the Eagles, and so no, I all respect to Buffalo.
This is a real threat and a real team, But
I do think Kansas City has another gear that we
haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So I said this earlier. I think Joe Douglas missed
on a COVID class quarterback. So did John Lynch, so
did everybody I called a GM that didn't need a
quarterback during that draft class. He said, Colin, I wouldn't
draft any of these guys. The COVID stuff's a disaster.
I don't know if these guys can play. They all
played wonky schedules. So if you take out missing on
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the quarterback, he really hammered most of his picks. The
Jets roster's good and so Mike, I'm gonna throw might
take it you. Aaron got solid fired. You know, it's true,
nobody fires a GM this time of the year. But
a story came out two weeks ago. Aaron's like, yeah,
I think I'll be back next year. And a week
later a story came out that said sourced Jets aren't
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sure if they want Aaron back, and Aaron went, hmm,
somebody's got to go upstairs. There is no reason to
fire Joe Douglas, who will get a job in a week.
There is no reason to fire him. Now, does it
not sniff of Aaron's influence?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, listen, there is one other potential explanation for the
odd timing of the firing, which is that Woody Johnson
wants to make sure they get a head start on
this process because he plans to take, you know, to
take that ambassador role to England once again once Trump's
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inaugurated in January, and he wants to still have hired
the head coach. The GM made all those decisions, so
that the weird part of oh is, what are you
gonna have to handover control of the team to his
brother in a couple months. That's kind of a fly
in the ointment for the Jets. But whether Aaron you know,
activated the code read on Joe Douglass or not, obviously
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that you know, this is just everyone that has done
business with Aaron Rodgers the last two years. It's just
the scorpion and the frog, again and again and again,
and then people are shocked that the scorpions stung the frog.
Like there is this ship is sinking and I don't
know how many lifeboats are left, but I'm certain one
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has squirreled away in Aaron's cabin for himself. And if you, however,
many other people need to be thrown overboard, so be it.
Like So, whether this was Aaron's direct doing or not,
the reason everyone's getting fired there is because he's been
terrible and because this is one of the most underachieving,
disappointing teams for folks that you know had real expectations
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on this team. I said it to you last week.
I will reiterate it now, there is no sane football
person that will interview for the Jets head coach or
GM job and say my preference would be to keep
Aaron Rodgers. And so I'm very curious how this shakes
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out and whether Aaron Rodgers ends up being a man
who wants to keep playing football but does not have
any team that wants him to play football for them
next year.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Nick, right, great stuff co host. First things first, My
favorite part of Nick is, why is everybody saying I'm
stirring the pub?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I mean, no, here, can I just respond real quick?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't mind when I know something is going to
be controversial, but I truly believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Ye, that's one thing.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
But when one thing is obvious and the Lamar stuff
is obvious, the guys the greatest player we've ever seen
in the games that matter, the least non conference games
twenty three and one, seventy touchdowns, one turnover, playoff games,
He's brock Osweiler. Same with against the Steelers and the Chiefs,
and everyone's like, what a quinkie dink I'm like, there's
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a name for that in sports.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's called choking.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
We call it with everyone else with Lamar and no
one will say it. So I don't want it. I
don't want to be that guy. But it's just obvious
and no one else will say it. All because Bill
Pollian was mean to him eight years ago. People are like,
you're still I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
First things first, Nick, right, good seeing you Boddy as
a bye h entertaining good. You know you gotta laugh
in life. I mean, you gotta have a good time,
Jay Man, I tell you this all the time. You
get very you know, you're very young and aspirational. Just
gotta have a good time.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And I'm young, and okay, I'll take that. I listen.
I'm smiling through my inner tears over this jet to meltdown,
Like you know, I'm on several jets text chains of
what are they saying? What do you think they're saying?
We're the worst organization.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's okay, so they're not they're not advocating for more
movie they think. Do they like firing Joe Douglas.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
No, it's just another it's an It's every week. It's
something with this team. It's fire Sola. Let's bag on
Mike Williams, get rid of him. Let's sign to vante a.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
By the way, Mike Williams an hour later, game winning
touchdown Steelers, Well, everybody noticing the people that leave. And
by the way, Sala will get a great job somewhere.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You see a pattern forming, Colin. Look at the Sunday
performance or Monday in the case of the Bills game
from Aaron Rodgers. It was bad. Something happened on Tuesday.
To react to that Aaron Rodgers game, whether it's fire,
Sala dump Mike Williams, we gotta get to Vonte Adams.
Let's get the GM at But look at the game
right before that. Aaron Rodgers was not good. This is
masking his terrible play all season. Colin, He's been bad.
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That's undeniable.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There's no covering it up. He stinks now, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
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Speaker 2 (24:24):
A lot of fun stuff happening in sports. I think
you're gonna like these here. Let's start with Justin Tucker. Colin,
He's hit some of the big kicks, biggest kicks in
NFL history. You could argue he's the greatest kicker the
sport has ever seen. However, this season he has fallen
on hard times. All four of Baltimore losses have been
one possession games, and Tucker has missed a kick in
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each of them. Entering the year, Tucker was the most
accurate kicker in football history. Since then, he's only sixteen
or twenty two. He obviously missed two this past weekend.
Ravens coach John Harball, he's still confident in his guy.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
The gus stops right now, is you get Justin you know,
back on point where he's because he's fully capable of
doing it. Certainly haven't lost any confidence in Justin Tucker.
You know you saw that on the fifty four yard
er we sent him out for and he drilled it.
So that's the Justin Tucker that he wants to see,
that we all want to see. On every kick, and
he's definitely our best option and he's going to make
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a lot of kicks. I really believe that going forward,
but it's up to him.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm going to say something and I don't know if
it makes any sense, but the kickers really have a
prime and I know you can't kick at eighty, but
it's not like you're asked to cover anybody or be
twitchy athletically your foot, you know. I mean you're not
really active. You sit on the sidelines for most of it.
You don't get tackled. It's weird, like we're looking at like, oh,
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this guy has lost it. Well, he's a kicker. I
mean the bottom line is do you lose that much
dexterity and strength? He's not forty eight years old. I
think when kickers go ways it's mental. I don't think
it's physical. And you can't make the throw first, well
that's different. Well that's different. A second baseman loses range.
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You don't ask a kicker to have anything other than
range on his kicks. If you look at every like
a guy loses us quarterbacks, Dan Marino didn't lose the
ability to throw. He lost his legs because he got
sacked so many times, he had so many surgeries. Do
kickers have a prime? I don't think kickers do have
a prime. Does a chef have a prime? I mean, honestly,
Like you're asked to do a specific skill like golf
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off the tee, you get injuries. It's repetition movements. Every
golfer's got a bad back because of the repetition. I
might take with any kicker that gets to be thirty
six thirty seven, is that they're out of their prime,
or maybe they miss a couple kicks they get it's
into their heads.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's been weird. Brandand Aubrey missed for Dallas last night,
which was shocking. I don't think he missed all year.
That was amazing. So what do you do if you're Baltimore?
Do you bring in somebody for it?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Try? No, No, just just he's great, he hit a
fifty four yard He's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, you don't have to have a reaction to every action.
Sometimes it's just like, take a deep breath, we're gonna
be fine.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Actually, uh, in this industry, you and I do. We
have to react to the big story.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What I'm saying is, let's say you were gone for
a week and you got kind of crazy and you
were a little nutty that never you know what I
would do. I just said, let him work himself out
of it. He's a young man, he's going through to Yes,
sometimes it's just like your my marriage. My wife's mad
at me for five days. We need an attorney. No,
it's just like it's like, you know what, I'll sleep
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in the basement for a couple of days. Let me
back in.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
When you attorney. That escalated quickly.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You don't have to have a reaction to every little
disagreement or every little due you sho say.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This is when you have a super Bowl team and
Lamar playing at such a high level and the expectations
and all of a sudden the kicker is I.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Mean, I I think he's won you a lot more
games than he has, no doubt. But what have you
done for me lately?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Is like my favorite phrasing sports and the answer for
Tucker has nothing moving on. Speaking of lately, your guy
bo Nicks, Oh, he's been so good. However, he hasn't
quite caught Jayden Daniels, who was running away with the
Rookie of the Year award now he has been slowed
due to a rib injury Jaydon Daniels, but dan Quinn
says that's not why the offense has been less efficient.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Jayden is not injured right now, but we did lose
valuable practice time John with him and his teammates when
he was injured, and that's hard on all the guys.
It's a really really important part of what we do.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I think the concern about him was he's he's
a little thin and would he be durable enough for
the NFL. So we've already seen a little bit of this.
He got dinged up and it's taken him a while
to get back and he lost practice time. Still excellent.
We don't want to admit this, but bo Nicks is
actually now the best rookie court. I don't know it's
called data.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Which data?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Would that be the stuff that comes out of the
copier today and put in my hands.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So we got some numbers on James Daniels. He came
out of the gate hot. Last four games, he has struggled. Yes,
I mean dan Quinn's not going to give the opposition
Ammo saying that, oh he's got a rib injury, then
they'll just come after him and drill him in the ribs.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I still like him. It's just all these young quarterbacks
have bad stretches. Bo Nicks didn't. He was bad early
and he's just gotten better for nine straight weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know that Daniels has been bad, he's just
been less great about that. Like against Pittsburgh, he didn't
cost this.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen, we know this. He's a franchise quarterback. Bus Look
at c J. Stroud has had a five game stretch,
bad old line. He's got the yips a little bit.
He's letting go of the ball a little early. Had
Nico Collins, then Stefan Diggs. We all know c J.
Stroud's in the NFL franchise quarterback. He's fine, but young
quarterbacks when Mixon's gone, when the old line this year
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is bad, it wasn't bad last year. He's letting go
with the ball early and Golf they called the yips.
You know, you just you can see CJ. Stroud he's
letting the ball go faster. Trust his protection, I mean exactly,
and he's been hammered the last month. And CJ's like,
I don't want you see last night when they had
a safety blitz to the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
He just.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Plays over.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So the one thing about Daniels that's a little mysterious
and I don't know if defenses have adjusted, is his
rushing yards fifty three a game in the first six right,
the element of him scrambling is huge. Last four games
twenty seven rushing yards. So it's like half, well significant,
you know those are third and four, give me six
yards even.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Come on, sometimes these young mobile quarterbacks have to learn
how to slide and not get hit. Lamar used to
take shots. Lamar doesn't get hit like that as much.
Josh Allen used to take shots. Herbert used to take shots.
Herbert doesn't get hit like that much anymore. I'm glad
you brought up that Washington spread against Dallas.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I saw somebody refer to these games where some but
he plays on Thursday has extra rest versus somebody who
played on Monday. I guess they call it the widow
maker game because it's like, this is a kill shot
right here, Washington ten. I like it. I know, double digits.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Be careful, I already locked it in Washington minus ten's
by number it will be it. I bet you it's
eleven and a half by Thursday, Trey Lance may end
up starting the way Cooper rushed under that game. I
don't know final story. This is just breaking Colin big.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
In the NBA, the seventy six ers are a total
wreck two and eleven. They lost again last night. After
the game, Tyrese Maxey called out Joellembiid in the team
meeting for being late for everything and this is having
an impact on the team. The story just broke from
a reporter at Arrival Network and apparently it was one
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of these Hey, the players are calling out Nick Nurse saying, hey, man,
coach us harder. They're getting on. In Beid's case, Paul
George is probably wondering what the hell he got into.
But the Sixers down Colin two and eleven. We're getting
close another five six a couple of weeks. Are they
going to make the playoffs? And that's a real discussion.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Listen, you don't have a disfranchise has pandered to Joe
lmb Yeah, they have pandered to him. It's those Clippers
have done the same to Kawhi Leonard. How's it worked out?
So I have no symp I love Nick Nurse, I
like the organization I know, Darryl Morey. They have pandered you.
Like again, it'd be one thing that teams pandered to
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Lebron in his prime. You got to the finals every year,
or like Shaq will give you a lighter practice schedule.
Shaq was get went in going to the finals and winning. Okay,
it's different. This guy can't win a second playoff series.
I mean, I don't have a problem treating your stars
like stars, but I got to get something in return.
Shaq gave me rings, Like Shaq wanted time off, I
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got rings. I got No Barkley was not a great
practice player. He got me to the finals. What do
I get for pandering?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So, according to the story, so Embiid took all this
negative criticism apparent in a meeting and he didn't counter it,
but he stated he is sometimes confused about what the
Sixers are attempting to execute on the court from your superstar.
And then it went on to say, so yesterday he
had an illness, so he was doubtful and nobody saw
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him all day until he showed up for warm ups. Listen,
I don't I know more. He's your guy. He's come
on the show before, he's got to rain this in
quickly because remember the starting to.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Get Remember the Olympics when one guy didn't fit with
the team. Remember that guy. Remember the Olympics in Paris,
like Embiid was a weird fit, and then finally at
the end he had a nice performance. This guy's not
easy to play with. I don't care what anybody says.
I know, y'all, Yoki should have won three straight MVPs
the anti Jokic vote. They gave it to MBI when
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Jokic was clearly better. This guy's hard to play with.
I watched it at the Olympics. I've seen that. Everybody
gets blame but him. I told you a couple of
years ago. It's it's it's I love Paul George and
Maxie as players. I'm over Embiid. You know, Yann has
got me a title. Jason Tatum helps get me a time, y'all, Kitch,
catch me a title. I don't mind if you're a
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little high maintenance. I mean, we're all a little high maintenance.
You gotta give me something, you gotta give me something
for it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
The best part about this is Maxy, the young guy
is the one who's calling out and I love that.
And remember usually when you get a third superstar, the
third guy in Paul George in this case, would be
the one taking the heat. He's probably just sitting there like, guys,
I just showed up. What the hell's happening?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean it is Paul George is thinking I thought
I left the circuit exactly I joined Sirk d Sole
and Philly I'm in another one from.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Kawhi Leonard who you don't know, what's your line? You
don't know what day he's going to show up or availability,
and now he's dealing with.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
With Joel Embie.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
What a mess?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And Phillip J. Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
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Speaker 2 (34:59):
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Speaker 1 (35:03):
As Purdue takes on Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
The action begins at eight eastern only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It does sometimes rankle me when people suggest that because
I have a personal relationship with somebody, it would influence
how I view sports. Yes, Sean Payton is a friend,
but I said before the draft, Caleb Williams defensive coach,
Jaden Daniels, defensive head coach, Drake May defensive head coach.
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Bow Knicks, Sean Payton legendary league, creative offensive coach, and
if you look at bow knicks last nine games, no
roller coaster. After about three four games to get comfortable,
he is now one hundred passer rating guy, seventeen touchdowns,
two picks, sixty seven percent completion percentage, and has made
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a pretty okay roster. Look damn good. He outplayed Mahomes
two weeks ago. Here, Sean Payton, I.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Can't look at like one game and say that was
the game. But it's just a gradual process of confidence,
both in what he's comfortable with and then confidence and
what the others around him can do with it. And honestly,
I don't think that ever, really there's no conclusion to it.
You know, you're always tinkering. But I've been real impressed
with the speed at which he's been able to adapt
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to this league.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
By the way, the Broncos, this is the worst roster
Bownicks'll ever have because they have a fifty three million
dollars Russell Wilson dead cap hit right now, that is
reduced significantly next year. It's also a pretty thin roster,
not a bad roster. I thought it was a little
undervalued by Vegas. But Drew Brees talks about he knows
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Peyton had him for years. What he's seeing.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
You know, it was going to take a little bit
of time this year.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Hey, he's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
He's going to do rookie stuff at times. He's still
developing and understanding in a comfort level with the offense.
He's developing a mystery with all of his receivers. So
now I think we're just starting to see. You know, hey,
we're ten eleven games into this thing, and this is
what you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
He looks pretty good. J Mac, he looks pretty good.
Last nine games. You're getting touchdowns, you're getting accuracy, you're
getting wins, and you're getting no turnovers. So he's making
really good decisions. We've talked about this before. In the
COVID year, you had a bunch of quarterbacks that missed.
Mac Jones, Trey Lant, Jack Wilson didn't have a lot
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of starts. He had sixty one college starts between Auburn
and Oregon, and I believe I could be wrong. I
think he had four or five different coordinators. So he
was clearly a kid that had had to relearn offenses
over and over and over and it took him about
three weeks. I mean, he was pretty choppy early. The
game is much faster with the professional level, and this
division's good. But he's becoming a real thing and they're
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a five and a half point favorite at the Raiders.
That's a divisional game that feels like a stay away game.
Although you do you, I mean I kind of like
the Raiders in that one. Maybe I tend to think.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Who's there, who's their starting QB this week?
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Got it?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's like it's like they're spinning a wheel. I don't
know who's going to be their starter? Uh? Can I
try to provide some context to the Bonnicks discussion? Oh boy,
I know you hate context. So he torched the Falcons. Obviously,
Falcons defense we know stinks.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Okay, that's obvious.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Against Kansas City, he was good, but the Kansas City
defense a little leaky.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We saw Gardner Minshew do some things against them, like
they haven't been as dominant as they were early in
the season against Baltimore bow Knicks was okay, sure, fifty
seven persons they lost forty one.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Ten Okay that that game, by the way, got out
of hand really fast, and he was playing from way
behind rookie.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, okay right up for that it was Carolina
and he towards them. We know they're.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Absolutely He also torched the Saints.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
He toarted the Saints, who were terrible for zero touchdowns
at one hundred and sixty four yards.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Also toulch the Raiders, beat the Jets, torched the box.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He beat the Jets. He was twelve of twenty five
for sixty yards in a in a sohoon type Let's
not skip over that Chargers game. They were down like
twenty three zero that day. New York canceled flights. It
was such bad weather. I love the defense. Uh listen,
he's had some good games. He ain't Jayden Daniels yet,
he's been better than Caleb Williams. I don't know how
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much that's.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Saying better than Drake May and he is now healthier
and ascending. Jayden Daniels has banged up and has hit
a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Wait, I think he's going to go head to head
with Drake May, is he?
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
They don't play the Patriots now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The Patriots canceled that they didn't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Listen, I know you aren't in on the Drake May stuff.
I'm telling that he is showing some no. I like
Drake Scott, you loved him.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I liked him. His feet er messy.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Isn't it weird that we want to kind of defend
our positions when we are predictions.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
From well, the thing is defending mine or old. It's
always so much easier. Yeah, when you're right, it's just
very easy to defend your position on the great unbolievable
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By the way, the Jets fired Joe Douglas's mistake. Have
named Phil Savage, who ran the Senior ball for years,
the interim GM. So all right, letta go Jets. I'll
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see what I thought. Fireman Ed may get the job.
Hush circus.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just had to email the staff. I'm going to
be out later this week because I'm flying to interview
for the It's job on Friday, so I'm gonna miss Fiday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So sorry about that circus. All right, Nick Riot's coming
around the corner. Apparently he disagrees with my cowboys have
got to go all in. It's a bankrupt roster. Go
get Shadeur Sanders, give up Micah Parsons three first round picks.
Shadur is a really, really high end quarterback prospect. But
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you're you're not catching Detroit Kansas City. Go look at
the AFC. How good the quarterbacks are. Mahomes in his prime,
Lamar and his prime, Josh and his prime, Burrow and
his prime, Herbert is prime. That's just the AFC. Jayden
Daniels in your division, and Jayden Daniels in your division
play him twenty times over the next ten years. Jalen
Hurts in Philadelphia, Jared Goff's roster stacked. I mean you
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can go, you can go. Hey, let's bring back Dack.
You know what, Dallas go? Look at Denver, got the
coach right, drafted the right quarterback, and they got ninety
billion dollars of Russell Wilson dead cap money, and right
now they're in the AFC playoffs. It's a coach quarterback league.
Get it right, everything else floats, nothing else matters. All right.
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Time for the top ten. Heard hierarchy, Here we go,
heard hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Time is now go the top ten NFL teams according
to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
This is not standings. Miami is four and six. I
don't care. They're averaging twenty eight a games since Tua
came back. They lead conversion rate on third down sixty
one percent since Tua came back. He's seventy eight percent
completion percentage since Tua comes back. Coach and Quarterback League
fourth easiest schedule remaining. They hammered the Rams, should have
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beaten Buffalo, hammered the Raiders. I don't care. This is
not standings. This is a top ten team right now,
I wouldn't want to play them. I wouldn't mind playing
them in January in cold weather, but right now, I
wouldn't want to play the Dolphins. Number nine. Vikings only
two losses this year to the Lions in Rams, top
ten scoring offense, top five scoring defense. I think Brian
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Flores deserves another head coaching job. Their defense is not
the best in the league. They lead the NFL in takeaways.
That's coaching. They're fooling people, They're fooling quarterbacks. This is
a dangerous team. I think Sam Darnold's reckless nature will
eventually hurt them in January in big games, But right
now they're nine, number eight. I like Arizona. People have
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been crapping on Kyler Murray for years. I think he's great.
Cardinals have not allowed a touchdown in three straight home games.
I think their defensive head coach knows what he's doing.
Kyler this year, for all you people that bang on him,
seventy percent completion percentage, one hundred and one passer rating,
four game winning streak. I love watching Arizona play. I
love their offensive pieces. I think they need another draft
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to get more complete. Here's another team I would have
no interest playing in the playoffs, Arizona Cardinals eight number seven. Ravens. Listen,
They're two and four in games where they asked Lamar
to pass thirty times or more so, stop doing it
every time they face the Chiefs. Every time they face
the Steelers, they lose their identity. Derrick Henry disappears in
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the fourth quarter. They passed thirty three times, they ran
like nineteen.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm telling you I think I think Lamar Superman, but
clearly Spags and Mike tomlin Or is kryptonite. Ravens at seven,
number six, I think the Chargers feel a lot like
to me, the Chiefs. Really good coaches Jesse Minner, Jim Harbaugh,
Justin Herbert, little light on weapons. First time they allowed
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twenty points or more this season, four game winning streak,
fewest giveaways, they do not turn the ball over. Twenty
one sacks during the four game streak. I'm telling you
they it's like Kansas City. You wish they had a
dominant number one receiver, but the culture, the toughness, the
defensive coordinator, the coach, the quarterback. Chargers at six, number five,
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the Steelers beat them. I think if they played again
it would be a coin flip. But I'll put this.
I mean, listen, they held Lamar to under fifty percent
completion rate, and Derek Henry and her seventy rushing yards.
And Russell Wilson is four to oh as a starter.
Here's what I really like about him. They're five and
zero against teams with a winning record. That's so Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin's off. His teams often played poorly against mediocre teams,
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are bad teams. But if you back Mike Tomlin teams
into a corner against the winning team or they're an underdog,
they're fantastic. Two to oher in games this year without
scoring a touchdown. The rest of the league is two
and eighteen, so they can win multiple ways. Pittsburgh get five,
number four. I think Philly's got the best roster in
the league, lead the NFL in yardage differential seven to
zero when aj Brown plays. Their defense over the last
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six weeks has given up less than two touchdowns. Nick
Seriani to me, has stepped back and let his coordinators coordinate,
and that's when he's at his best. I do think
their roster they're the best roster in terms of rising
young stars, stars in their prime, and old stars, where
I think Detroit doesn't have as many veteran stars. They're
mostly younger going into their prime. But I have Philadelphia
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at four, number three, and the final three teams are
the only teams I think can win the Super Bowl.
Kansas City Listen Mahomes has a lot of picks. He's
got eleven, but here's the thing to remember. They're still
the best third down offense in the league fifty two percent,
and Mahomes has still been unbelievable in the fourth quarter
one zho nine point nine passer rating, So I do
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think interceptions do matter in big, big games, and he's
had some ugly ones this year. But they're still to
say they're bad offensively, No, they're not. They're great on
third down and great in the fourth quarter. And that's
all I mostly give a rip about. But I'm gonna
put him third this week.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Buffalo beat him, and Buffalo beat him without three of
their starters. Offensively, I think this is the best Buffalo
team I've seen for years and years. They didn't have
a good running back. Now they do. Now they have
two good tight ends. Although Kincaid didn't play. I think
the young rookie receiver and Amari Cooper are really nice.
Plus they have the slot from Boise State eight. I
think this is the best version of Buffalo. I don't listen.
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Four straight regular season went against Kansas City. It's this
is not like Baltimore and Pittsburgh where the Steelers are
in Lamar Jackson's head, that's not this. They beat Kansas City,
they just don't beat him when they want to beat him.
In January, Number one, listen Detroit's numbers data. I still
question them if they got to a Super Bowl situationally,
but I mean, they're the second team to score fifty
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plus points in back to back home game since the
seventy merger. It's like a college team. They get ahead
there Randy Moss Patriots, where they get ahead of so
many teams by seventeen points at the beginning of the
second quarter that it actually makes their defense much more
lethal because everybody, by the mid second quarter you have
to pass. So even though I don't love all their
defense at personnel, it's the best third down defense on
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any given Sunday in the league because everybody in Detroit
knows what's coming. It's the Randy Moss Patriots. Was that
the best Patriots defense? No, But when you lead twenty
seven to seven mid second quarter, there's only one way
to get back in the game. You have to throw,
and your edge rushers know it. There you go the
Herd hierarchy again. The three teams at the top are
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all trophy hoisting teams. To me, I still have reservations
on Philly, though I love their roster. And with that,
Nick right, co host, First things first, joining us live,
all right, First, let's attack that. What don't you like
about that? All right?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Lets find that Kansas City deserves to drop I suppose,
so I'm not going to argue with you about that.
I want to talk about Baltimore because you are the
tip of the spear of the Lamar Jackson discourse, and
I find it confusing. Okay, because this is and we
might disagree a lot today, Colm, but no more so
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than on this point. This is what I feel like
the Ravens and Lamar news cycle has been this season.
The Ravens play great, the offense scores a lot of points,
and I am inundated with Lamar is clearly the MVP.
He's one of the greatest players we've ever seen. Yes,
drop back passing used to be a problem for him,
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not anymore. What more can you ask for from a player?
And then they lose a game and the discourse is this,
why'd they give Lamar the ball so much?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Shouldn't they be handing it off?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
And I'm like, I don't know, man, Like I'm told
all week long, he's the best quarterback in football. And
then every time they lose without fail, the commentary is, man,
they sure trusted their quarterback a lot in that game
instead of the thirty year old running back.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's a confusing cycle to get okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And hold on, I have one more.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
And then I'll shut up because it is your show.
As it happens, we all just killed Aaron Judge for
MVP and then playoff failure. If Aaron Judge also happened
to be terrible against the hated rival Red Sox and
the dynasty of his era Astros, we'd probably be like, Oh,
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it's definitely a thing that it's in his head, the playoffs,
the division rivalry, the other big game. But that's Lamar,
and I'm the bad guy for saying it. But playoffs,
Steelers Chiefs terrible every other scenario, wins eighty percent of
his games, and we're just gonna give him the MVP
every year. It seems odd to me, Colin, that's all
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just a little odd.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Little confusing. Well, first of all, I wouldn't compare it
to baseball, because even the best player O Taani is
not the identity of the Dodgers. I would argue their
bullpen was crucial in the World Series, so baseball is different. Sure,
I do, and I've said this. I don't think Mahomes
is the heart and soul of the Chiefs. I think
it's the trifecta of GM coach and Mahomes. I think
Lamar is the soul of the franchise. He is the
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franchise they built every because he's so unique, you have
to build a whole offense differently. You have to play
a certain way. My criticism is the city doesn't. They
can go run centric, they can go deep ball, they
can go underneath. Kansas City can beat you to eight ways.
They cannot score and beat you with spags. But the
identity of Baltimore, the sole identity is we are leaning
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into you all. I'm asking in the biggest games not
become finesse football Miami Dolphins, like, this is what your
identity is? Lean Kansas City, I know what I get
close games, spags. Mahomes makes a great third down play.
They don't bail on that in January. Baltimore in every
big game becomes something they're not.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Well, okay, but I guess my point is, then then
how do we square that Baltimore's identity needs to be
smash mouth, run the ball, and also their quarterbacks about
to be the two time back to back MVP.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, because first of all, nobody don't get it. Nobody
thinks Lamar is better than Mahomes. What we think is
athletically he's crazy. You know what he is. It's Nolan Ryan.
Nobody thought Nolan Ryan was as good as Tom Sever
but he threw harder and he had more or no hitters,
and he was like the seventh Wonder of the world.
But we all knew sever was better than Nolan. We
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all know Mahomes is better than Lamar, but Lamar does
stuff that looks like a twenty seven year old high
schooler playing. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, so we
all know Mahomes is better. He's the best. He's the best.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And this really isn't even a Mahomes thing. It's just
and then we can move on. I just if I
don't have Nolan Ryan's baseball reference in front of me,
But did he instantly snap turn into a seventy ra
three innings pitched guy in the biggest games of his career?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I will say this year, I don't know he did that.
I like the comp okay. Tom Sever was a great
big game pitcher. Nolan won like fifty two percent of
his games, but he was the seventh Wonder of the
world like every fourth start, and he would know hit
your one hit you. So I guess my point is
the MVP doesn't mean a ton to me. I mean,
you know, it's it is what it is. We all
know Mahomes as King of the Hill, Like we all
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get that he's next to Tommy. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I promise this isn't even a Mahomes defense. I just
I feel like young Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning was scrutinized
at a level that if we do to Lamar were
considered mean. Like I just I so and this I
was not surprised. Halfway through the first quarter of the
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Steeler game. I'm like, oh, yeah, Lamar's tight.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He doesn't have it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I'm a jerk for saying it seems like he
gets tightened by the way.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't know, like you do the other Like you
don't like being the popster, You're you're a real victim
on that, like you've made it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I don't on this one.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I don't want.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I want to be like the support Lamar. Everybody likes Lamar.
The people who dislike Lamar the most, I really don't
like those people. I hate being their ally on this.
But yeah, the truth demands fairness and this is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But go ahead, Nick has thrown an Orange Cone into
traffic as whole life. And the one time he does it,
there's a car wreck. He's like, this is outrageous. I'm
being played for it. Okay, let's go to this. I think,
deep down you want to say it, but you don't.
You know, everybody loves the Lions, but deep down you
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don't respect him in a big game, do you.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well, it's not that I don't respect him in a
big game. It's that it's not impossible to win the
super Bowl if you have, as I put it, a
civilian a quarterback in the modern era. But everything's got
to go just right, like in twenty twenty four, when
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there are superheroes playing the position. It is so hard
to win three or four consecutive playoff games if you
have a regular person playing the position. And at Gaulf,
like the Lions, this is what now you can done.
The Niners almost did it last year. Hell, the Eagles
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almost did it two years ago. What Golf has going
for him is it's all civilians in the NFC unless
Stafford can tap back into what he had a couple
of years ago. And you saw a little bit of
that this weekend. All the superheroes are in the other conference,
and I do think Detroit is better positioned than any
team in the league by a mile to absolutely route
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the mediocre to bad teams. If you are not in
Detroit's weight class, they will run you off the field.
They have three wins this year of thirty eight plus.
But I do think that in the biggest spots when
things aren't going exactly right, having your quarterback be able
to save you is something. Whomever they play in the
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Super Bowl, unless it's Pittsburgh, the Detroit opponent is going
to have assuming they get to the super Bowl. So
the Lions are awesome, but I it's you know, we
are nine days removed from Jared Goff having five interceptions
and it could have been eight. Like that is hard
to get out of my head.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Okay, so I want you, I want want to put
you on the spot. Buffalo was missing three offensive starters
and still had three hundred and seventy yards. Great on
third down, dominates time of possession. Forget the Mahomes pick.
He throws a bad one. Every who cares, I mean,
I don't. That's not the end of the world, but
it does look like this is the best version of
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Buffalo would you not acknowledge that that this one is
no question. They're pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This is the best Bills team of the Allen era.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I agree, in.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Part because it's the best Josh Allen yet in my opinion,
And the other part is it's the best offensive line
and the best defensive line that he's had simultaneously. And
so no, I listen, I picked the Bills to be
the two seed. I picked the Bills to win their division.
People were too. One of the reasons the Bills in
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previous years were overrated was because they had name players
who weren't that productive in my eyes. They those players
then left and it made the Bills to me underrated
because we were like, oh man, they lost Highe, they
lost player, they lost Digs, And to me, I was like,
I don't think those are that big losses. I don't
think those players have been great players the last year
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or so, and so no, this, I think the Chiefs
are clearly the best team in football. And I don't
hate the fact that had had they won that game,
they would have essentially locked up the one seed with
seven weeks left, and that could create a weird spot
going into the postseason. So of course, I would have
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liked them to win, but I don't hate that they lost.
But Buffalo is to me the only true threat to
Kansas City in the entire conference.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like I think the I think there, I.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Agree with your top three teams in the league right now.
I might disagree on the order, but I think the
two best teams in football are Kansas City and Buffalo.
And Buffalo is that Josh Allen scrambling. When he does
it that offense, it feels like it's a miracle if
they don't get thirty. They scored thirty on Kansas City,
which had not allowed thirty points in its last thirty games.
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Last time they allowed twenty eight was the Super Bowl
against the Eagles, and so no, I all respect to Buffalo.
This is a real threat and a real team, But
I do think Kansas City has another gear that we
haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So I said this earlier. I think Joe Douglas missed
on a COVID class quarterback. So did John Lynch, so
did everybody I called a GM that didn't need a
quarterback during that draft class. He said, Colin, I wouldn't
draft any of these guys. The COVID stuff's a disaster.
I don't know if these guys can play. They all
played wonky schedules. So if you take out missing on
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the quarterback, he really hammered most of his picks. The
Jets roster's good and so Mike, I'm gonna throw might
take it you. Aaron got solid fired. You know, it's true,
nobody fires a GM this time of the year. But
a story came out two weeks ago. Aaron's like, yeah,
I think I'll be back next year. And a week
later a story came out that said sourced Jets aren't
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sure if they want Aaron back, and Aaron went, hmm,
somebody's got to go upstairs. There is no reason to
fire Joe Douglas, who will get a job in a week.
There is no reason to fire him. Now, does it
not sniff of Aaron's influence?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, listen, there is one other potential explanation for the
odd timing of the firing, which is that Woody Johnson
wants to make sure they get a head start on
this process because he plans to take, you know, to
take that ambassador role to England once again once Trump's
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inaugurated in January, and he wants to still have hired
the head coach. The GM made all those decisions, so
that the weird part of oh is, what are you
gonna have to handover control of the team to his
brother in a couple months. That's kind of a fly
in the ointment for the Jets. But whether Aaron you know,
activated the code read on Joe Douglass or not, obviously
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that you know, this is just everyone that has done
business with Aaron Rodgers the last two years. It's just
the scorpion and the frog, again and again and again,
and then people are shocked that the scorpions stung the frog.
Like there is this ship is sinking and I don't
know how many lifeboats are left, but I'm certain one
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has squirreled away in Aaron's cabin for himself. And if you, however,
many other people need to be thrown overboard, so be it.
Like So, whether this was Aaron's direct doing or not,
the reason everyone's getting fired there is because he's been
terrible and because this is one of the most underachieving,
disappointing teams for folks that you know had real expectations
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on this team. I said it to you last week.
I will reiterate it now, there is no sane football
person that will interview for the Jets head coach or
GM job and say my preference would be to keep
Aaron Rodgers. And so I'm very curious how this shakes
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out and whether Aaron Rodgers ends up being a man
who wants to keep playing football but does not have
any team that wants him to play football for them
next year.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Nick, right, great stuff co host. First things first, My
favorite part of Nick is, why is everybody saying I'm
stirring the pub?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I mean, no, here, can I just respond real quick?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't mind when I know something is going to
be controversial, but I truly believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Ye, that's one thing.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
But when one thing is obvious and the Lamar stuff
is obvious, the guys the greatest player we've ever seen
in the games that matter, the least non conference games
twenty three and one, seventy touchdowns, one turnover, playoff games,
He's brock Osweiler. Same with against the Steelers and the Chiefs,
and everyone's like, what a quinkie dink I'm like, there's
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a name for that in sports.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's called choking.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
We call it with everyone else with Lamar and no
one will say it. So I don't want it. I
don't want to be that guy. But it's just obvious
and no one else will say it. All because Bill
Pollian was mean to him eight years ago. People are like,
you're still I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
First things first, Nick, right, good seeing you Boddy as
a bye h entertaining good. You know you gotta laugh
in life. I mean, you gotta have a good time,
Jay Man, I tell you this all the time. You
get very you know, you're very young and aspirational. Just
gotta have a good time.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
And I'm young, and okay, I'll take that. I listen.
I'm smiling through my inner tears over this jet to meltdown,
Like you know, I'm on several jets text chains of
what are they saying? What do you think they're saying?
We're the worst organization.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's okay, so they're not they're not advocating for more
movie they think. Do they like firing Joe Douglas.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
No, it's just another it's an It's every week. It's
something with this team. It's fire Sola. Let's bag on
Mike Williams, get rid of him. Let's sign to vante a.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
By the way, Mike Williams an hour later, game winning
touchdown Steelers, Well, everybody noticing the people that leave. And
by the way, Sala will get a great job somewhere.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You see a pattern forming, Colin. Look at the Sunday
performance or Monday in the case of the Bills game
from Aaron Rodgers. It was bad. Something happened on Tuesday.
To react to that Aaron Rodgers game, whether it's fire,
Sala dump Mike Williams, we gotta get to Vonte Adams.
Let's get the GM at But look at the game
right before that. Aaron Rodgers was not good. This is
masking his terrible play all season. Colin, He's been bad.
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That's undeniable.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There's no covering it up. He stinks now, yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 2 (24:24):
A lot of fun stuff happening in sports. I think
you're gonna like these here. Let's start with Justin Tucker. Colin,
He's hit some of the big kicks, biggest kicks in
NFL history. You could argue he's the greatest kicker the
sport has ever seen. However, this season he has fallen
on hard times. All four of Baltimore losses have been
one possession games, and Tucker has missed a kick in
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each of them. Entering the year, Tucker was the most
accurate kicker in football history. Since then, he's only sixteen
or twenty two. He obviously missed two this past weekend.
Ravens coach John Harball, he's still confident in his guy.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
The gus stops right now, is you get Justin you know,
back on point where he's because he's fully capable of
doing it. Certainly haven't lost any confidence in Justin Tucker.
You know you saw that on the fifty four yard
er we sent him out for and he drilled it.
So that's the Justin Tucker that he wants to see,
that we all want to see. On every kick, and
he's definitely our best option and he's going to make
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a lot of kicks. I really believe that going forward,
but it's up to him.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm going to say something and I don't know if
it makes any sense, but the kickers really have a
prime and I know you can't kick at eighty, but
it's not like you're asked to cover anybody or be
twitchy athletically your foot, you know. I mean you're not
really active. You sit on the sidelines for most of it.
You don't get tackled. It's weird, like we're looking at like, oh,
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this guy has lost it. Well, he's a kicker. I
mean the bottom line is do you lose that much
dexterity and strength? He's not forty eight years old. I
think when kickers go ways it's mental. I don't think
it's physical. And you can't make the throw first, well
that's different. Well that's different. A second baseman loses range.
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You don't ask a kicker to have anything other than
range on his kicks. If you look at every like
a guy loses us quarterbacks, Dan Marino didn't lose the
ability to throw. He lost his legs because he got
sacked so many times, he had so many surgeries. Do
kickers have a prime? I don't think kickers do have
a prime. Does a chef have a prime? I mean, honestly,
Like you're asked to do a specific skill like golf
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off the tee, you get injuries. It's repetition movements. Every
golfer's got a bad back because of the repetition. I
might take with any kicker that gets to be thirty
six thirty seven, is that they're out of their prime,
or maybe they miss a couple kicks they get it's
into their heads.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's been weird. Brandand Aubrey missed for Dallas last night,
which was shocking. I don't think he missed all year.
That was amazing. So what do you do if you're Baltimore?
Do you bring in somebody for it?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Try? No, No, just just he's great, he hit a
fifty four yard He's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, you don't have to have a reaction to every action.
Sometimes it's just like, take a deep breath, we're gonna
be fine.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Actually, uh, in this industry, you and I do. We
have to react to the big story.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What I'm saying is, let's say you were gone for
a week and you got kind of crazy and you
were a little nutty that never you know what I
would do. I just said, let him work himself out
of it. He's a young man, he's going through to Yes,
sometimes it's just like your my marriage. My wife's mad
at me for five days. We need an attorney. No,
it's just like it's like, you know what, I'll sleep
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in the basement for a couple of days. Let me
back in.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
When you attorney. That escalated quickly.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You don't have to have a reaction to every little
disagreement or every little due you sho say.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This is when you have a super Bowl team and
Lamar playing at such a high level and the expectations
and all of a sudden the kicker is I.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Mean, I I think he's won you a lot more
games than he has, no doubt. But what have you
done for me lately?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Is like my favorite phrasing sports and the answer for
Tucker has nothing moving on. Speaking of lately, your guy
bo Nicks, Oh, he's been so good. However, he hasn't
quite caught Jayden Daniels, who was running away with the
Rookie of the Year award now he has been slowed
due to a rib injury Jaydon Daniels, but dan Quinn
says that's not why the offense has been less efficient.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Jayden is not injured right now, but we did lose
valuable practice time John with him and his teammates when
he was injured, and that's hard on all the guys.
It's a really really important part of what we do.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I think the concern about him was he's he's
a little thin and would he be durable enough for
the NFL. So we've already seen a little bit of this.
He got dinged up and it's taken him a while
to get back and he lost practice time. Still excellent.
We don't want to admit this, but bo Nicks is
actually now the best rookie court. I don't know it's
called data.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Which data?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Would that be the stuff that comes out of the
copier today and put in my hands.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So we got some numbers on James Daniels. He came
out of the gate hot. Last four games, he has struggled. Yes,
I mean dan Quinn's not going to give the opposition
Ammo saying that, oh he's got a rib injury, then
they'll just come after him and drill him in the ribs.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I still like him. It's just all these young quarterbacks
have bad stretches. Bo Nicks didn't. He was bad early
and he's just gotten better for nine straight weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know that Daniels has been bad, he's just
been less great about that. Like against Pittsburgh, he didn't
cost this.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen, we know this. He's a franchise quarterback. Bus Look
at c J. Stroud has had a five game stretch,
bad old line. He's got the yips a little bit.
He's letting go of the ball a little early. Had
Nico Collins, then Stefan Diggs. We all know c J.
Stroud's in the NFL franchise quarterback. He's fine, but young
quarterbacks when Mixon's gone, when the old line this year
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is bad, it wasn't bad last year. He's letting go
with the ball early and Golf they called the yips.
You know, you just you can see CJ. Stroud he's
letting the ball go faster. Trust his protection, I mean exactly,
and he's been hammered the last month. And CJ's like,
I don't want you see last night when they had
a safety blitz to the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
He just.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Plays over.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So the one thing about Daniels that's a little mysterious
and I don't know if defenses have adjusted, is his
rushing yards fifty three a game in the first six right,
the element of him scrambling is huge. Last four games
twenty seven rushing yards. So it's like half, well significant,
you know those are third and four, give me six
yards even.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Come on, sometimes these young mobile quarterbacks have to learn
how to slide and not get hit. Lamar used to
take shots. Lamar doesn't get hit like that as much.
Josh Allen used to take shots. Herbert used to take shots.
Herbert doesn't get hit like that much anymore. I'm glad
you brought up that Washington spread against Dallas.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I saw somebody refer to these games where some but
he plays on Thursday has extra rest versus somebody who
played on Monday. I guess they call it the widow
maker game because it's like, this is a kill shot
right here, Washington ten. I like it. I know, double digits.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Be careful, I already locked it in Washington minus ten's
by number it will be it. I bet you it's
eleven and a half by Thursday, Trey Lance may end
up starting the way Cooper rushed under that game. I
don't know final story. This is just breaking Colin big.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
In the NBA, the seventy six ers are a total
wreck two and eleven. They lost again last night. After
the game, Tyrese Maxey called out Joellembiid in the team
meeting for being late for everything and this is having
an impact on the team. The story just broke from
a reporter at Arrival Network and apparently it was one
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of these Hey, the players are calling out Nick Nurse saying, hey, man,
coach us harder. They're getting on. In Beid's case, Paul
George is probably wondering what the hell he got into.
But the Sixers down Colin two and eleven. We're getting
close another five six a couple of weeks. Are they
going to make the playoffs? And that's a real discussion.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Listen, you don't have a disfranchise has pandered to Joe
lmb Yeah, they have pandered to him. It's those Clippers
have done the same to Kawhi Leonard. How's it worked out?
So I have no symp I love Nick Nurse, I
like the organization I know, Darryl Morey. They have pandered you.
Like again, it'd be one thing that teams pandered to
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Lebron in his prime. You got to the finals every year,
or like Shaq will give you a lighter practice schedule.
Shaq was get went in going to the finals and winning. Okay,
it's different. This guy can't win a second playoff series.
I mean, I don't have a problem treating your stars
like stars, but I got to get something in return.
Shaq gave me rings, Like Shaq wanted time off, I
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got rings. I got No Barkley was not a great
practice player. He got me to the finals. What do
I get for pandering?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So, according to the story, so Embiid took all this
negative criticism apparent in a meeting and he didn't counter it,
but he stated he is sometimes confused about what the
Sixers are attempting to execute on the court from your superstar.
And then it went on to say, so yesterday he
had an illness, so he was doubtful and nobody saw
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him all day until he showed up for warm ups. Listen,
I don't I know more. He's your guy. He's come
on the show before, he's got to rain this in
quickly because remember the starting to.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Get Remember the Olympics when one guy didn't fit with
the team. Remember that guy. Remember the Olympics in Paris,
like Embiid was a weird fit, and then finally at
the end he had a nice performance. This guy's not
easy to play with. I don't care what anybody says.
I know, y'all, Yoki should have won three straight MVPs
the anti Jokic vote. They gave it to MBI when
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Jokic was clearly better. This guy's hard to play with.
I watched it at the Olympics. I've seen that. Everybody
gets blame but him. I told you a couple of
years ago. It's it's it's I love Paul George and
Maxie as players. I'm over Embiid. You know, Yann has
got me a title. Jason Tatum helps get me a time, y'all, Kitch,
catch me a title. I don't mind if you're a
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little high maintenance. I mean, we're all a little high maintenance.
You gotta give me something, you gotta give me something
for it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
The best part about this is Maxy, the young guy
is the one who's calling out and I love that.
And remember usually when you get a third superstar, the
third guy in Paul George in this case, would be
the one taking the heat. He's probably just sitting there like, guys,
I just showed up. What the hell's happening?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean it is Paul George is thinking I thought
I left the circuit exactly I joined Sirk d Sole
and Philly I'm in another one from.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Kawhi Leonard who you don't know, what's your line? You
don't know what day he's going to show up or availability,
and now he's dealing with.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
With Joel Embie.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
What a mess?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And Phillip J. Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
It does sometimes rankle me when people suggest that because
I have a personal relationship with somebody, it would influence
how I view sports. Yes, Sean Payton is a friend,
but I said before the draft, Caleb Williams defensive coach,
Jaden Daniels, defensive head coach, Drake May defensive head coach.
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Bow Knicks, Sean Payton legendary league, creative offensive coach, and
if you look at bow knicks last nine games, no
roller coaster. After about three four games to get comfortable,
he is now one hundred passer rating guy, seventeen touchdowns,
two picks, sixty seven percent completion percentage, and has made
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a pretty okay roster. Look damn good. He outplayed Mahomes
two weeks ago. Here, Sean Payton, I.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Can't look at like one game and say that was
the game. But it's just a gradual process of confidence,
both in what he's comfortable with and then confidence and
what the others around him can do with it. And honestly,
I don't think that ever, really there's no conclusion to it.
You know, you're always tinkering. But I've been real impressed
with the speed at which he's been able to adapt
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to this league.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
By the way, the Broncos, this is the worst roster
Bownicks'll ever have because they have a fifty three million
dollars Russell Wilson dead cap hit right now, that is
reduced significantly next year. It's also a pretty thin roster,
not a bad roster. I thought it was a little
undervalued by Vegas. But Drew Brees talks about he knows
(36:46):
Peyton had him for years. What he's seeing.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
You know, it was going to take a little bit
of time this year.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Hey, he's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
He's going to do rookie stuff at times. He's still
developing and understanding in a comfort level with the offense.
He's developing a mystery with all of his receivers. So
now I think we're just starting to see. You know, hey,
we're ten eleven games into this thing, and this is
what you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
He looks pretty good. J Mac, he looks pretty good.
Last nine games. You're getting touchdowns, you're getting accuracy, you're
getting wins, and you're getting no turnovers. So he's making
really good decisions. We've talked about this before. In the
COVID year, you had a bunch of quarterbacks that missed.
Mac Jones, Trey Lant, Jack Wilson didn't have a lot
(37:29):
of starts. He had sixty one college starts between Auburn
and Oregon, and I believe I could be wrong. I
think he had four or five different coordinators. So he
was clearly a kid that had had to relearn offenses
over and over and over and it took him about
three weeks. I mean, he was pretty choppy early. The
game is much faster with the professional level, and this
division's good. But he's becoming a real thing and they're
(37:52):
a five and a half point favorite at the Raiders.
That's a divisional game that feels like a stay away game.
Although you do you, I mean I kind of like
the Raiders in that one. Maybe I tend to think.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Who's there, who's their starting QB this week?
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Got it?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's like it's like they're spinning a wheel. I don't
know who's going to be their starter? Uh? Can I
try to provide some context to the Bonnicks discussion? Oh boy,
I know you hate context. So he torched the Falcons. Obviously,
Falcons defense we know stinks.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Okay, that's obvious.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Against Kansas City, he was good, but the Kansas City
defense a little leaky.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We saw Gardner Minshew do some things against them, like
they haven't been as dominant as they were early in
the season against Baltimore bow Knicks was okay, sure, fifty
seven persons they lost forty one.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Ten Okay that that game, by the way, got out
of hand really fast, and he was playing from way
behind rookie.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, okay right up for that it was Carolina
and he towards them. We know they're.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Absolutely He also torched the Saints.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
He toarted the Saints, who were terrible for zero touchdowns
at one hundred and sixty four yards.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Also toulch the Raiders, beat the Jets, torched the box.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He beat the Jets. He was twelve of twenty five
for sixty yards in a in a sohoon type Let's
not skip over that Chargers game. They were down like
twenty three zero that day. New York canceled flights. It
was such bad weather. I love the defense. Uh listen,
he's had some good games. He ain't Jayden Daniels yet,
he's been better than Caleb Williams. I don't know how
(39:13):
much that's.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Saying better than Drake May and he is now healthier
and ascending. Jayden Daniels has banged up and has hit
a ceiling.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Wait, I think he's going to go head to head
with Drake May, is he?
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
They don't play the Patriots now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
The Patriots canceled that they didn't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Listen, I know you aren't in on the Drake May stuff.
I'm telling that he is showing some no. I like
Drake Scott, you loved him.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I liked him. His feet er messy.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Isn't it weird that we want to kind of defend
our positions when we are predictions.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
From well, the thing is defending mine or old. It's
always so much easier. Yeah, when you're right, it's just
very easy to defend your position on the great unbolievable
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