3 & Out - Joe Douglas gets fired, Netflix has issues, Kauff on Campus

John reacts to the news of the day that the New York Jets have fired their GM, Joe Douglas. John dives into what this firing means for the Jets moving forward and if getting rid of Douglas was the right move for the organization. Later, John talks about the report from Adam Scheffter saying that he could see many more firing this season. Next, he gives his take on Netflix and the streaming issues it had during the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight.

Lastly, John has another installment of Kauff on Campus.

6:25 - Joe Douglas gets fired

24:00 - Possible future head coaching jobs

31:00 - Netflix and it's streaming

41:00 - Kauff on Campus

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoffe Three and Out podcast, Hopefully you're doing well.

(00:24):
Hopefully I have a good day, good morning, good afternoon.
Better than Joe Douglas, who was fired as the Jets
GM on Tuesday. We will dive into that why he
was fired, where it all went wrong for the Jets,
who now don't have who have an interim coach and
an interim GM. Phil Savage, on one of my close

(00:46):
buddies in the NFL. I'm fired up for Phil. Keep
an eye on Phil. Phil's former GM works for the
Ravens forever good hire there would he but in he's
very good, close with Joe Douglas. So just just a
disastrous situation with the Jets. I also want to dive
into some of the coaching changes. Schefter mentioned potentially seven

(01:06):
or eight openings this year. We already got a couple.
We have three that are inevitable as well, so I
got five that are locks, and then it just you know,
we got some swing ones. So we will dive into that.
I do want to touch on the Netflix, the fight
and just all the negativity surrounding it. I don't know
why everyone's complaining so much, and then we'll go on campus.

(01:27):
Cough on Campus. I'm adding a little intern and his
name is Jackson. Met him at the golf course. He
played football at Montana, loves college football. He's working in
the sports business. It's at the local radio station here
in Arizona doing some producing. He's doing his own content.
This guy is just a junkie, and I've been thinking

(01:48):
for a while I want to add some other voices
to the show. So we will bring him on for
cough on Campus and he'll ask me some questions things
that he's interested in college football, and then we'll kind
of riff off that fun show today. Always looking to
expand here. Three and Out can never be content, but man,
people getting fired left and right. But before we dive in, obviously,

(02:11):
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about to go out and shoot a golf video on

(02:33):
Wednesday afternoon, so I'll probably record it in the morning
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(02:54):
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You gotta focus on your mentals and listen, we all
get caught up in the rat race of life. We're
just working. We're working, and then it's family stuff and
it's just the same rat race over and over, and
our life can get monotonous, and sometimes you got to
mix it up. Sometimes you gotta throw a curveball. Sometimes
you gotta get out of the house and go do

(03:14):
something fun, whether that's a game, college or pro search
by the team, or search by the venue. Maybe it's
a concert. Go see one of your favorite artists, maybe
they're coming to a town or a venue near you,
and get a couple of cocktails and sing your little
heart out for hours. Nothing like it to just put
a smile on your face. Maybe it's a comedy show.
I haven't been to one of those in a long

(03:35):
long time, but the couple that I went once when
I was in college, Dave Chappelle actually came to cal Poly.
They sold that. It's crazy looking back that he did
because it was in like our little where we had
pick up basketball or like innermural basketball. It couldn't have
fit more than three or four thousand people, but that
was awesome. And that was in the heyday too of

(03:56):
the Chappelle Show. He had to be making some good
coin on the side traveling. But if you get the opportunity,
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prices guaranteed. You know, here's the thing. In the NFL,
whether you're Belichick, whether you're Andy Reid, whether you're you know,
Bill Parcells or Bill Pollion, ninety nine percent of people
get fired. You are hired to be fired. It's an
extremely competitive job. In twenty twenty four, guys are getting

(04:41):
more money than they ever have. The owners have more
capital than they've ever had, and that number only goes
up by the year. So the reason they don't just
cut players more often is because of the salary cap
and the implications of dead money. But that does not

(05:01):
exist when you talk about coaches their coaching staff. In
the front office, you can hire and fire them at will,
and if you are willing to buy another guy two
days later and quadruple his salary, it doesn't impact your
team at all. And Joe Douglas at the time in

(05:22):
twenty and nineteen got a pretty historic GM contract. It
was six years and it was well over twenty million dollars.
Now he had a lot of leverage, the Jets were desperate,
and he got paid a premium and that's all the
money he ever got because he didn't get a contract extension.
And now he is no longer the general manager. And

(05:44):
I don't think this scenario of what happened is that complicated. Now,
like anytime you go to work for certain franchises, you
know it could be very rocky, and there's a reason
that a lot of people and listen, I knew a
lot of people that worked for him in philadelph He
is very very well thought of in the NFL. People
liked the guy and he was getting advice at the

(06:06):
time before he accepted the job. Hey, man, use this
leverage while you have it and drive up the amount
of money they're going to pay you, because this is
the type job that you might not make it out,
you know, professionally alive, and typically gms get one shot.
This is not coaching, where you know, usually guys get

(06:28):
a second job. For the most part, guys get their
one opportunity. And if you're gonna get your one opportunity,
you better take it all the way to the bank.
And he did. But Joe Douglas's job performance is going
to be defined by one thing and one thing only.
He couldn't get the quarterback position right. And I was

(06:52):
told when he interviewed Robert Sala and Robert Sala was
bringing along the floor with him from the forty nine
ers that they were all in on coaching Sam Donald.
That the scheme was going to be conducive to helping
Sam Donald just to become a solid player and time
has proven who liked them, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell. What scheme

(07:15):
do they run, you know, versions of each other exactly
what Lafleur wanted to do. Now I don't know what changed,
but I have been told something changed once they got there,
and they ended up getting rid of Sam Donald and
drafting Zach Wilson. And if I gave you, let's say
a million dollars, and I said, listen, you have to

(07:39):
invest all of it, but there's a caveat. You can
invest it in whatever you want. You have to split
in half, take five hundred thousand dollars and go all
in on something. So take half your funds and go
all in, and you can invest the other five hundred grand. However,
you want one hundred grand here, seventy five grand here

(08:00):
round here, diversify your portfolio. Well, if you lose that
five hundred grand, that you go all in on the
one thing, invest in a building, invest in one stock,
invest in whatever, and that goes to zero. Even if
you double the other five hundred thousand dollars, you didn't

(08:20):
make any progress. And the reality is when you draft
a quarterback number two overall and then because that fucks up,
you have to trade a first round pick and another
second round pick and pay that guy a boatload of money.
That is a disproportionate amount of the capital within your organization.

(08:46):
Because is Howie Roseman once famously said in a press conference.
Every team is allotted the same draft capital. Every team
gets to decide how they want to use their first, second, third, four, fifth, sixth,
seventh round picks. The reason that all these teams have
a different amount of cap space in draft picks is

(09:06):
because they divvied up different ways. And when you have
the number two overall pick, that's worth a lot. And
he drafted Zack Wilson, and it turns out that Zach
Wilson a lot like Trey Lance, who Jerry Jones said today, Yep,
Cooper Rush gives us the best chance to win. These
guys went two to three in the draft. Four years later,

(09:28):
they can't even win a backup job. Those are historic
bus And then you get the opportunity to trade for
a legend. The problem is he happens to be thirty
nine to forty years old, and then he rips his achilles,
and now he looks dramatically worse than he did. A
couple of years ago when he was on the Packers,
when he didn't look that great and he was the

(09:50):
that was the main reason they wanted to get rid
of him. So Joe Douglas took a large portion of
his assets and invested it in the quarterback position. Once
he traded Sam Darlan into Zach Wilson, and then he
had to chase his losses with Aaron Rodgers and they
both went belly up. And he has nothing to show

(10:10):
for it because, as a wise man in the NFL
told me, probably within the last couple of years, he said, listen, John,
let's just say we have eight or nine draft picks
slash moves, and Joe hits ninety five percent of them.
Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, this kid from Penn State to

(10:31):
tackle Breisee Hall. You know, investing giving Quinn Williams a
big contract. DJ Reed, like all the players on our
team that just trading for DeVante, Like, our team just
looks really good on paper. If all of them hit
and the quarterback whiffs were fucked. Yet if it's the opposite,

(10:55):
if we hit on the quarterback and he whiffs on
a bunch of those, we will get contract extensions. It's like, listen,
if I go back to the analogy of the million dollars,
if that diversified five hundred thousand dollars doesn't really do much,
you don't make any money on it. But the one

(11:15):
that you go all in on is Navidia and you
one hundred extra money. Who gives a shit about that
other five hundred grand. That's the power of a quarterback
because when you nail it, it changes your franchise. The
forty nine ers did the same thing. They Whift and

(11:38):
then they struck oil with Rock Party because if Rock
Party didn't exist and they were doing the same things
that the Jets are doing, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
would be in trouble. Why Because you can't win with
no quarterback play. It is literally impossible. You need functional
quarterback play just to compete, and to compete at the

(11:59):
highest levels, you need good quarterback play. Obviously, there are
other variables. You could make the argument like the Bengals
are getting outstanding quarterback play and they're losing games. Now,
they're losing a lot of one score games. But you
know what I mean. But Joe Douglas's job thirty and
sixty four is truly defined by bad quarterback play. And

(12:19):
you could also make the argument and listen, he's become
a sympathetic figure because once they fired him, the team
got worse. If your job security is most dependent on
either who you draft or the quarterback you sign in
free agency, I would say, right there, hand in hand

(12:40):
is the coach you hire. And you hired a defensive
head coach that was a little over his head when
it came to offensive stuff, and it wasn't going well
on offense. And in a league that is predicated on
the quarterback and offense, it can be a struggle. And
clearly Aaron Rodgers didn't like Robert Sala and that's a

(13:03):
huge reason I think he got fired. I don't know
why he would have anything against Joe Douglas, given that
Joe Douglas capitulated everything he wanted, But like Aaron Rodgers,
is ultimately Joe Douglas's problem, and Aaron Rodgers' failures and
him looking like he's ninety five years old is the
reason that Joe Douglas today was told like you're done,

(13:26):
and listen, Joe Douglas was done the same day Robert
Sala was done. It was over. His contract was up
at the end of the year. He wasn't getting renewed.
And it all comes back to the quarterback And listen,
do you know what it turns out if you could
ask him, if you could have one move over, what
would it be. It wouldn't be not trading for Rogers.

(13:46):
It would be just keep Sam Darnold another year. Take
a deep breath because looking back, Trevor Lawrence goes one,
Zach Wilson third string, Trey Lance third string, Mac Jones
should be a third stringer, and Justin Fields got bench
for a guy who you know, I'd say on a
good day is like fourteenth the best quarterback in the NFL,

(14:10):
somewhere between like fourteen and twenty. So it was a
really bad quarterback class. And that started the drip drip
process of what led them to where they're at today.
Because it's pretty clear, like Joe Douglass has a pretty
good idea for talent. There's no disputing that, Like he's
a good GM in terms of non quarterback position, but

(14:31):
he went all in on Zach Wilson, and I saw
Coward talking about it today and he's not wrong. That
year in twenty twenty was it turned out to be
the twenty one draft. But the twenty football season in
college is one of the greatest fugazis we've ever seen.
Trey Lance played one game and no one considered it

(14:53):
of any value. Zach Wilson's schedule, and BYU schedule is
usually pretty good, especially before they joined the the Big Twelve.
They were an independent team, but they would play a
lot of like legit squads. That thing was a joke.
I mean the best team they played that year was
Coastal Carolina, so I mean mac Jones. Alabama won the

(15:14):
national championship and they're one of the greatest programs of
all time. But one huge advantage that team had is
when the whole world was locked down, well not the
whole world, I mean half the states in this country
were rocking and rolling by the summer. I know the
state that I'm living in definitely was. But you know,
in the South, you know, it was very difficult to
bring guys on campus. College campuses were pushing back. Nick
Saban and Alabama had a workout program going on at

(15:37):
you know, LANDA Dickerson's house, and that thing was rocking
and rolling. It's why when they played everybody, they looked
completely normal and these other teams looked fucking lost. Mac
Jones had one of the more manipulated seasons in the
history of college football. Now prop Sabama, they never kept
their foot off the pedal. That's what successful people do.
But Mac Jones, I mean, I remember when it was
discussed about Kyle Shanahan taking him third over. It's honestly

(16:01):
one of the most embarrassing conversations we've ever had in
the history of the NFL. Not that he took a
different guy that was correct, either, but at least he
took a swing on a guy with some traits. You know,
Mac Jones, most of my life is like a fourth
or fifth round draft pick. Like he doesn't even get
drafted on the second day. But that's a conversation for
a different day. But regardless, like the Jets now don't

(16:23):
have a head coach, they do not have a GM.
And I promise you this, Rex Ryan is going to
be a name you're going to hear more about. I'm
not making this up. I don't know. I'm not saying
he's going to get the job, but he wants the job.
I've been told very reliably that Woody Johnson never wanted
to fire him in the first place, and they have
a good relationship and just one big picture thing, like

(16:47):
who is going to be lined up for this gig?
I know Rogers said the other day that, like, you know,
I plan on returning next year. It's no longer up
to him. Whoever, the new coach and new GM will
determine that, like we don't want you around, and maybe
he retires, maybe they trade him somewhere else. I don't
know who would trade for him, but I would say,

(17:08):
as of right now, I'd be a little surprised if
Aaron Rodgers on the Jets next year. And I'd also
be a little surprised if coaches with options, coaches that
have teams that want them, would choose the Jets if
they could choose other teams. Now, money talk, shit walks.

(17:30):
Woodie Johnson no longer has to pay his general manager
after another month, you know, Robert Sola and his staff.
I don't know the contract situations, but it's not like
he's gonna be paying those guys for years. So if
what he goes, hey, listen, I want Mike Vrabel. Here's
seventeen million dollars a year. Be hard to turn that down.

(17:50):
So obviously, if what he wants to get really aggressive financially,
he can't. And people listen when you get aggressive. The
Denver Bronco job two years ago was an awful job,
and they said, hey, Sean Payton, here's ninety million dollars,
and you know what Sean Payton said, where do I sign?
So money is a huge, huge curve ball always in

(18:13):
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ball schefter mentioned this McAfee that in twenty twenty three
there were eight job openings. This year, there's all We've
already been two, right, Dennis Allen fired solid fired. Schefter

(20:12):
thought anywhere between seven to nine potential this year. Two
years ago there were only five. We know Mike McCarthy
will not be the coach next year. The Dallas Cowboys
are not going to give.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Him a new contract. I feel pretty confident saying Eberflus
will not be the Bears coach next year. So that's four.
I think it's pretty clear that Doug Peterson will not
be the coach of the Jacks next year. That would
be five. Then we start getting curveballs. Is Antonio Pierce

(20:47):
one and done? Nick Sirianni, who's eight and two, and
they're having a good season. They look good. They're clearly
right now a top four to five team probably in
the NFL. But a little like James Franklin, like he's
gonna get judges in the big game, So like, what
do you do if you're the two seed? You better

(21:08):
win that game in the first round. Like they're they're
gonna make the playoffs, they're gonna win the division. But
if you tell me the Eagles are the second or
third seed and they were to lose in the first round,
I would say Sirianni's fired depending on who they play
in the second round, like there would be pressure on
them to win that game as well. So I believe

(21:29):
he's the one coach of this group, probably because he's
the only coach of this group that's going in the playoffs.
I don't think he is just a lock to keep
his job if they go to the playoffs. I do
think what happens in the playoffs matters to Sirianni. The
Browns a lot of buzz out there about Stefanski. I
would fire him, but a lot like the Jets owner's

(21:53):
nut job, and you have no clue on any given
day what the hell Flying j is gonna do. So
I think it's fair to say, yeah, Kevin Stefanski's job
is just up in the air. Would I be surprised
if he's nothing happens, No, not at all. If you
tell me Stefanski is a coach of the Browns twenty
twenty five, yeah, I could see that. But if you

(22:15):
tell me they just don't win another game and he
gets shit canned because the owner's are nut like, I'd
also believe that as well. The Giants. I don't know.
I know the owner came out and said, these guys
are not going anywhere. Well, a couple weeks later, Tommy
DeVito is now their starting quarterback, So obviously Daniel Jones

(22:36):
stinks it's hard to win games with them. It's gonna
be hard to win games with Tommy DeVito, So all
of a sudden, you lose like Cooper Rush on Thanksgiving.
Who knows Cincinnati the quarterback is. I mean, you could
argue he's playing as well as any player in the
league any position. Jamar Chase has been a dominant force,

(22:57):
and you're four and seven, So I think it's fair
to say that Zach Taylor's job is in major jeopardy.
I'd say Tampa is a little bit of a wild card.
I think Todd Bowle is doing a good job as
a head coach, But what if they think they can
get Belichick. So then so you get the Raiders, the Browns,
the Giants, Sincy, Tampa, and who knows, maybe I'm missing

(23:18):
some wild card team. I know if you spend enough
time on the internet, ninety of forty nine er fans
on the Internet think Kyle Shanahan should be fired. One
he shouldn't be fired. Two he's not going to be fired.
And three, if Kyle Shanahan was fired, every single team
I listed would line up to hire him, as well
as teams would fire their coach to hire the guy.

(23:39):
But here's what I think would happen. I think the
Eagles would immediately fire Siriani and if for Shanahan like
a five year contract, but Shannan is not gonna get
fired again, nor should he. I would give Shanahan a
contract extention because when you look at this, let's just say,
I'll just pick a number. Let's say there's seven openings.
Are there seven candidates do you feel good about hiring?

(24:01):
If we assume Belichick is gonna get a job, and
I would say, I'm not one hundred percent that Bill
Belichick is gonna be a head coach in two isy
twenty five, but I'm I'm above seventy five percent. Mike Vrabel,
who pretty clearly probably wants to be a head coach. Again,
let's say he's got a job. Let's say Ben Johnson

(24:21):
finally goes it's my time to quote fabulous, it's my
time and takes a job. Okay, there's three guys. Aaron
Glenn goes to the Saints, or the Jets. Okay, that's four, Like,
are there enough candidates to satisfy these openings? And I

(24:43):
think the answer is I'm not sure. Like the reason
you get so many of these coaches hired and then
three or four years later fired because were they really
great candidates? Like is Bobby Slowick right now maybe it
would be in three or four years an excellent candidate
right now, he's called plays for two fucking years. When

(25:05):
the forty nine Ers hired Kyle Shanahan in twenty seventeen,
he had been a play caller for close to a decade.
Some of these guys just started calling plays because they
were never able to call plays because they worked for
play callers. Now, it doesn't mean that you won't be
good at it. I would say, we all think Kevin
O'Connell's pretty good. And he never really got to call
plays when he worked for Sean McVay or Jay Gruden

(25:27):
because he was the quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator
where those guys were calling plays. But still, like, I
just don't know. This is why I brought up the
names like Kirby Smart. That's why Dan Lanning's name got
thrown out there. The other day, it's like, who are
we really competing against? Who are now there are some
older coaches who are coordinators. Would you sniff around, like,

(25:48):
is anyone interviewing Steve Spagnola? Is someone interviewing and hiring
Jesse mentor harbass defensive coordinator? Advanced Joseph Sean Payton's defensive coordinator.
We've seen him be a head coach before it did
not go well. So I don't know. I think it's

(26:11):
easy to fire your coach because you think he stinks.
And I'll never blame an owner if you don't take
the guy seriously. You don't take the guy seriously. You
just pray to God that you're not firing the next
Belichick or like Dan Snyder in twenty twelve when he
fired Mike Shanahan and that crew, you're just hoping you fire,
you know, some rando like Joe Judge, like this is

(26:33):
gonna age, Well, but who do you hire? I think
it's so easy to be like, fire the coach, Okay,
who do you hire? Really quick? On the Netflix thing,
I watched a decent amount of it. I did have
a hard time buffering, which really threw me off because

(26:57):
when we remodeled this house before I even moved in.
I made this company a lot of money to hard
to wire my house. Obviously it's my business. I was
gonna go all YouTube TV, so you could not It's
it'd be hard, given the size of my house to
spend any more money on the electrical operation that I

(27:17):
got set up in my pad with all the TVs wired,
I have this huge box in a closet that I
don't even know what it is from the you know,
it's like Fort Knox with cameras, the whole thing. But
I had to have the fastest Internet set up humanly possible.
And I remember turning that thing on, you know, right

(27:39):
as it started, and it just would not load. And
it really threw me off and didn't know what was
going on. And obviously a bunch of people experienced it,
and then you just topped on Twitter and everyone complained,
and everyone complained till the moment that thing end ended.
And I didn't quite understand that I get as a
consumer if I buy a pay per view and I

(28:01):
go back. And I mentioned this to Colin being in college.
When Oscar de la Hoya fought Floyd Mayweather, it was
such a terrible fight, and at the time whatever we paid,
I mean all chipped in twenty bucks or whatever, one
hundred bucks nine ninety ninety nine, we watched it across
the neighbor's house, at Caitlyn's house because she had a
pretty sweet setup at cal Pauly, and I remember sitting

(28:22):
around we were all like, this fight sucks, and it's
happened a lot in boxing, right, You have bought pay
per views that just haven't been that good. But you
tell me Floyd's fighting Connor, or We're just gonna buy it,
and then everyone complains. You have a right to complain
if the steak doesn't taste good and you just spend
you know, three hundred dollars a dinner. But at this

(28:44):
point in time, when everyone owns Netflix, I don't have
to watch it, so I'm just turning it on. It is.
It's not free because I pay for Netflix, but I'm
not paying for this. You pay for Netflix for the
catalog of all the bullshit that they give us, and
ideally five six times a year they give you something
that blows your mind. It's much more few and far

(29:05):
between now than I think it used to be. I
feel like it used to be much better now it's
much more. Uh, I would say watered down, But like
I have a hard time complaining about something that I
didn't pay for directly and I didn't have to watch you. Also,
part of the intrigue is just anytime you say Mike Tyson,

(29:28):
it's like saying OJ Simpson. There are certain names that
just like you start paying attention right, like's what's happening?
And that's what Mike Tyson is. He's fifty eight fucking
years old. Now, I was hoping, like most people that
I hope iron Mike just hits them with one right,

(29:50):
gets them close, and hits them with one of those
famous upper cuts to the jaw and chaos. It was
clear immediately that was not gonna happen. But when the
thing ended, it was like I just watched a fifty
eight year old What did I expect was going to happen?
If you said, Hey, the Yukon Huskies are going to

(30:12):
take on Michael Jordan and four other guys we all watch,
I think it's fair to assume at sixty years old,
Michael Jordan would not be good at basketball. Why he's old,
I've always said, like Aaron Rodgers, why he sucks now
he can't move his arm is still really good Dan Marino.

(30:36):
If you put him in pads and the commercial where
he's in pads with like Jerry Rice and Emon Smith
and just had him throw an out route, if you
let him warm up his arm, I bet it would
look pretty good. But if you threw Dan Marino in
a UFL game one of those Spring leagues. I bet
if you said, hey, Dan Marino is starting for the

(30:57):
Florida whatever they are against the Birmingham I am, you know,
Rivercats quadruple, the amount of people that would normally watch
would watch. I think it's fair to say that he
would suck. So fifty eight years old boxer, regardless of
being one of the all time legends and most powerful
punchers in the history of civilization. He was fifty eight

(31:21):
years old. So I think we're so quick to complain.
I always notice this. Everyone loves doing a negative spin
on stuff. Sometimes if I just need to chill, I'll
just go to YouTube and just go down a rabbit
hole of some music. And I'm a big like type
in whoever I want to listen to acoustic like, I

(31:43):
want to hear them just raw and real and if
you go to anyone, especially my generation, right, people from
the nineties. So like, I find myself just getting in
these moods where I want to listen to the music
that I grew up on. I think, and I will
probably always think, think that that's the best time in
the history of music. Why because that's what I grew

(32:05):
up on. Just like most people, the music they grew
up on usually means the most. But if you go
to the comments section of anything whatever I'm listening to,
Sound Garden, Doctor, Dre, you fucking name it, all the
comments are with a negative spin. Remember when music was great?

(32:28):
How much better this music is than what is playing now.
These guys today could never do this. It's the easiest
thing to do. And don't get me wrong, Like I
can be negative as well, but on this situation, like
I don't know what anyone expected, right, this was Netflix

(32:49):
is in the business of getting a lot of people
to watch these events and it worked. And honestly, boxing
has been really good at that over the years because
they do the circus app circus act things that draw
us in and then we watch and then we immediately complain.
I told Coward this the other day. I'm not a

(33:10):
big When I was at cal Pauly, Chuck Laydell was
in this heyday. Chuck Laydell wrestled at cal Pauly and
trained at cal Pauly, So it was a really big
deal in the early mid two thousands, and we used
to buy the fights and it was awesome because the
iceman he was a one hitter, quitter. And I don't
buy most of the UFC cards, not because I don't

(33:31):
respect the business, not because I don't know how tough
those guys is. I also went to college with Chad Mendez,
toughest little fucker I've ever seen in my life and
probably the toughest guy I'll ever be around. And he
obviously thought Aldo and Connor McGregor, like you getting that octagon,
you have to be a complete badass. But even with

(33:53):
the promotion and they've done a great job and they've
become a mainstream success, it's not quite the hype of
a big boxing match. And maybe because there are fewer
of them, maybe because UFC fights a lot, Maybe because
liked in the fight business like an entertainment. Like in

(34:13):
team sports, you go as far as your stars go.
When was the NBA the biggest in my life, Magic Bird,
Michael Kobe and Shack When was boxing the biggest in
my life? Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, no different than UFC,

(34:34):
Chuck Lydell, Connor McGregor. You need stars, and Mike Tyson
is a star that still has name recognition. It just
happens that he's fifty eight years old. Okay, let's dive

(34:56):
into cough on campus. And now I want to to
introduced a young man who I've run into a couple
of times at the golf course and he works at
TPC Scottsdale. And he was just wearing me out on
the driving range, a place that I go to about
seven times a year, and just question after question on football.

(35:18):
And then we started bsing and we became buddies, and
I realized that he works, you know, he played football
at Montana. A little walk on Wanta be Julian Edelman
Historic program. And this guy I see him hustling on
social media. He introduced me to my video guy Luis
shooting the golf videos. I was like, this Jackson, guy's

(35:38):
going places. And I've been thinking for a long time.
I'm like, you know, I want to I need to
get some other voices on the podcast, some young, some
young fervor and fire a football guy and jackson' basked
me over the last six months, hey man, anything at
the volume, anything going on? And I've been thinking about
it for a while, and the other day I was
I was actually in the sauna. It's where I do
some of my best thinking. I'm like, I just let's

(36:00):
just do it. So I text him the other day
and uh, I'm gonna call him intern Jackson. But he's
going to this guy loves college football and he's gone
your your college, your college wide receiver coach is at
Texas now, right, you and your dad went to the
Texas game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, he was in my receiver coach in high school.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Now he's at Texas.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So to see him kind of transition from high school
to Texas. But no, I appreciate the opportunity. God is
good man.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I'm excited to.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Be on here and talk some college football. And I
got some questions for you for cough on campus that
I want you to answer.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Fire him out and we'll we'll go through them because
it's kind of we're recording this before the uh before
the top twelve reveal which you could argue doesn't really.
I mean, there's so much influx. Some of these teams
still play each other. We know we're gonna get some
upsets once Boise it looks like is gonna probably like
they're gonna get the spot. I think it's safe to

(36:54):
say Notre Dame's gonna get the spot. But the SEC
has to play itself out a little bit. And obviously
Indiana Ohio State this week. But it's been a fun year.
Like listen, people talk shit about the parody like there's
not you know, it's wide open. I actually enjoy that,
Like it's cool when Alabama's in their dynasty or Miami's
in their dynasty, or Ohio State or Florida or whatever.

(37:16):
But I think the cool part about this year, however
it does shake out, is you could argue, of the
twelve teams that get in, like eight of them are
gonna truly feel like they can win the Natty. You know,
Boise it is boys are gonna feel like they can
win the Natty? Is Indiana gonna feel like they can
win the Natty? Probably not. You know, you're a Notre
Dame fan, Can they win the Natty?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I just want one game. I just want one win, John,
just one win. That's all I asked for. I gotta
be army this weekend though, So let's starting.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
To buy you.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
LSU lost three straight games Texas A and m Alabama Florida. John,
does LSU have a Brian Kelly problem?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
You know what's crazy is I think when we look
back three years ago, they wanted Lincoln Riley and rightfully so,
and it kind of felt like when he went to
USC for one hundred and twenty million dollars, they got,
you know, the second girl at the bar, who was
a little chubbier, not as good looking, but hey, they
were desperate and she was an upgrade over what they

(38:16):
were dating. I thought that it would work and maybe
not win a national championship over the first three years,
but they would you told me there was a twelve
team playoff, I would have been like Brian Kelly's in
the playoffs. I think this year is way more embarrassing
than last year. Like they just had a situation where
their defense was terrible, but they still had the Heisman

(38:37):
Trophy winning quarterback who looks like he's going to be
a star. Widers they were a really really fun watch.
You know, once you lose the USC in a game
that I give you a lot of credit because remember
Lincoln Riley saying I want out right and Brian Kelly's like,
fuck that we're playing and you lose whatever. But these
three games, to lose that A and M the way
they did in the second half, to get boat raced

(38:59):
at home with Nick Saban being gone, and to lose
that game at Florida. Now, Florida's a tough place to
play and that team was coming, but that was embarrassing.
BRO eight and four at LSU is an epic disaster.
Year three, I mean with NFL players everywhere, I don't know.
I mean they can't. I read like the way the

(39:21):
buyout works, it's basically a year by year thing. So
they're paying the guy ninety million dollars. He's into year
three like he's not going anywhere. But I don't see
how anyone serious around the program looks at him the same.
And the only way that he's gonna get out of
it is like next year being the final four. But
just to get there, we know how hard, I mean,
look how hard it is in the SEC. So does
nuss Meyer come back to school? He probably does do

(39:44):
they want him to come back to school. I mean,
he's they started playing real teams, he's looked like shit,
So I don't know. I mean, you're a Notre Dame guy.
I think a lot of you guys are kind of
dancing on his grave. The irony is that it's easier
at Notre Dame because you guys play nobody. If he
just there to go eleven and one every year, like,
it's just way harder in the SEC.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I think it's interesting too with LSU. It's like, would
you want to win a national championship or do you
want to win eight nine games barely make the playoff?
And then I was gonna ask you too, like they've
got this five star kid. I'm sure you've heard of him,
Bryce Underwood. Do they kind of are they worried to
get rid of Brian Kelly because they don't want to
lose his five star or do you think that they
could get another Deon Sanders come in from Colorado?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
But isn't that the guy that they he's gonna charge
like ten million dollars that now Michigan's involved, and maybe
LSU doesn't have the funds. Just big picture, I would
be very uncomfortable always paying huge money for a high
school quarterback. I mean everyone acted like Matt Ruhle was,
you know, gonna win a national championship in a couple

(40:47):
of years because he got Dylan Royola for four five
million dollars, and you know, it's pretty clear the reason
that he didn't go to Georgia is like Kirby's like,
we're not paying it that much money. And I watched
Dylan Ryola after Everyone's like he's Patrick mahonmes two point out,
like he's just not a very good player right now.
I mean, it's just that's just this is nothing personal.
He's just I watch him and I go, like, for
five million dollars, this is not gonna work. I feel

(41:09):
much better like paying a Dylan Gabriel, paying a Panics,
paying a bon Nix, like people that, you know, cam Ward,
I would not be in the business of paying ten million,
like if I'm lsu, I am not getting into a
eight ten million dollar bidding war of over a high
school recruit. I mean, look look at Oklahoma, you know,
I mean Jackson Arnold Boom camp Nico can't miss. It's
like you watch him, it's like this is it's a

(41:30):
lot of pressure. So I think LSU you just got
to stick it out with Brian Kelly. But man, how
do you think of all the hype too, of the
of the coaches in the SEC that everyone's excited about. Obviously,
Georgia thinks they have Nick Saban two point zero rightfully,
So if you're Texas, you're proud of Sark, like he's
a he's a real coach. Ole Miss best coach they've

(41:51):
had in my life. Alabama, You're like you were down
on him, he's kind of pissing you off. Then boom,
he kicks LSU's asked, and now you're feeling good. So
it's like, of all the top programs, I would say
LSU is like the most down on their coach, which
is a problem when you're paying a got ten million dollars.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Speaking of a program that's high in their coach. Right now,
Colorado Buffalo's that are now favored according to the Draft Kings
to win the Big Twelve assuming they went out. Assuming
they win the Big Twelve championship, which could be against
ASU or BYU this Saturday, can Colorado win a playoff game?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
If you win the conference means you're a top four seed.
Does that mean you get a home game or by
the time they plays or are on neutral sites? Do
you know the answer to.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
That Top four would be neutral site, which would be
the festival here. But it's weird because they're a two
loss team. Boise State's a one loss team. So some
are saying that Colorado wins, they win the Big Twelve,
that Boise State would get that first round by and
then Colorado would get the twelve seed going to Oregon
or Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But you automatically get a top four seed right when
you win the conference.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Correct, correct, Yeah, but it's the top four conference champions.
That's why they're kind of speculating that Boise State could
slip in there as that fourth.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Oh if you're saying that if Colorado has two losses,
and really when you look at it, like who have
they beat? And that's part of the problem. I heard
Rosillo go on this rant. You know, forever it was
conference aligned, you know, inside a conference, the PAC twelve,
the Big twelve, I guess the Big twelve wasn't, but
the Big ten in the SEC was split east and

(43:29):
west or north and south. Now it's kind of random,
like the Georgia schedule this year is pretty insane, right,
and then you look at Colorado their schedule. They they
don't play BYU in the regular season. Now they played
Kansas State and they lost, but they don't even play
ASU until they would the championship game. Did they even
play Iowa State? And I'm not hating on them because

(43:50):
they have been really impressive. I if you told me,
and again, like, depending on how it shakes out, they
get a home game, I think that would be a
pretty crazy place. That place has been rocking this year.
If it's a neutral site game, Like if they get
a neutral site game against like Texas or Georgia or
even like a Penn State, I think it would be

(44:12):
very very difficult for them, Notre Dame whoever, all all
the big seven eight teams. I think it would be
a problem. I think a home game would be I'd
give them a fighting chance because I would say a
neutral site against the top seven eight teams, the Bamas,
the Tennessee's, the Georgia's, Ohio State, Oregon, I think they'd

(44:34):
be like a ten point underdog. What's been the biggest
thing for maybe a little less, but I feel like
they would be a touchdown underdog, don't you think?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's been the biggest thing for you
for Colorado that you've been most impressed with? From where
we saw the beginning of the season when they lost
to Nebraska, a lot of people wrote them off, including
myself to now.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
What's there? They were joking that game it was like
it felt like they were going to win three or
four games. I would say it has to be if
you watch them play. They are so good now on
defense relative to what they were. I mean last year
they were even that first game against North Dakota State.
Who you fault like, is North Dkota State having a

(45:16):
good season? Pretty good? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Top three in the FCS right now?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah? Oh yeah. So, I mean they are consistent. They've
won a bunch of national championships. I mean they are
I would say over the last fifteen twenty years the
Alabama of that kind of division or right you know,
Alabama ls Ohio State like one of the powerhouse programs.
So I didn't hold it against them that they were
in a tighter game, but in that game, it was like,
got their defense is the same. They can't and they

(45:43):
are they don't have the athletes that some of these
big twelve teams. So I just expected them to not
get to six games. But as the season has gone on,
I mean their defensive line, like Hier and Warren Sap,
I mean that unit is flying around and that Shepherd
kid that they the transfer from Vanderbilt, number fourteen, He's
been really really good for them, you know. I think

(46:04):
offensively they feel a little bit more balanced, and defensively
that D line, I mean just I feel like they
pressured the court. They were never they were a joke
last year. Now they are not. Also, they're really rolling
right now. This Kansas game. I think a lot of
people in the gambling community are kind of in on

(46:27):
Kansas been playing well. It's gonna be tough. I mean,
this was a team that a lot of people thought
could be a sleep or playoff team right ku before
the season. I think they lost a ton of one
score games. I was at a bar like last weekend,
and it was Colorado was about to kick off against
Texa Tech and Kansas was kicking off against Iowa State,
and it was like twenty one to seven before you

(46:48):
could even play like Kansas playing well. So it's gonna
be if Colorado wins this week. I feel pretty confident,
like ASU's had a great season, but they're not as
good as Colorado? Are they? Mm hmm, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I don't think so. But they could be. They could
be BYU this weekend. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Let's go to the say you could lose the BYU
two and then it would be b YU Colorado, right, yeah,
which would also be a tough game, like Colorado would
be no lock to beat b YU. Like b YU.
We can question whether they were a great undefeated team,
but they're good, right, I mean that that would be
really really hard. So if Colorado does win out and
that includes let's say b YU, that's a pretty impressive

(47:29):
beating this Kansas team the way they're playing, and then
beating BYU in the in the neutral site, pretty big
twelve neutral site. Pretty sure they are. Yeah, they played
at and T Stadium, Yeah for a T and T. Yeah, Yeah,
so it's that'd be That'll be a lot of people
they are rooting for d On, a lot of Cowboy fans.
Hopefully the stadium doesn't.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Breakdown when they play that game.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Geez.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Third question for you, Let's go back to the SEC
as it sits right now, Texas is first nine to one,
followed by five, eight and two teams. I ask you, John,
who's the best team of the SEC right now? Or
I should say who do you trust the most? Because
every team we see week in and week out perform
their best, look like they're the best team, and then

(48:10):
the next week they lose.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I would say, Carson Beck is gonna play like he
did the other night. I mean, everyone's like, oh what
about Carson Beck? Now? Well, yet he had not looked
like that all season. If he had been playing like
the game he just had at home against Tennessee, we'd
be talking about him like a lock first round pick. Instead,
he played like an undrafted free agent. But when your

(48:33):
defense is going to be that good and they are
loaded with NFL guys and you have a quarterback who
I mean he was making like layered throws, that's the
best team in the country. Like we you know, listened.
I mean, they were so bad that first half against Alabama,
but they did lightening up in the second half and
comes storming back. They beat the shit out of Texas.
They were down ten to nothing against Tennessee and came

(48:55):
storming back and won by multiple touchdowns, Like, I think
their ceiling is the highest because if they're like Carson
Beck if he's playing well and quinn Ewers if he's
playing well. I like Carson Beck Moore. I'm not a
huge fan of either quarterback, but I like their I
just believe in Kirby Smart. Yes, the one thing was
Sark like, they have an awesome roster. You could argue

(49:16):
beside Ohio State, the best roster money can buy, but like,
is he truly? My thing with Sark always is like
is he a tough guy? And I think sometimes in
college football when when you get to the final four,
now the final eight, like everyone's gonna be loaded with
NFL guys. Now, it's like, who's a fucking tough That's
what Saban always had, Like I was a tough Urban
had that. They're just these crazy tough mode in the

(49:38):
history of college football, it's a lot of that, right.
These coaches aren't like known for being Bill Walsh or
Bill Bill Belichick on a whiteboard. Saban was an outlier,
But I would say Saban hung his hat on being
like that guy could give a fucking pregame speech and
get the troops ready. And I think Kirby is the
best version of that. It's like the one thing like
Ryan Day and Chip like they're not tough guys. Like

(49:59):
why do people on Dan Lanning, Well, who's who did
he mentor under Kirby? You know, listen, your guy Notre
Dame is a tough guy, right, He's a former linebacker
Ohio State like he is. Now, are they dynamic enough
on offense? But I do believe like he is a
tough guy. It's just kind of come down to you know,

(50:19):
rocket his smile and Jerome bettis like if they were
if they had LSU's talent on offense skill wise, I
would take Notre Dame more. Seriously, what do you make
of Old.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Miss after that win against Georgia? You didn't think if
they get in they're gonna be a tough out for
teams in the playoff for sure. I mean they got
an NFL quarterback, they got a coach that does not
give a shit. I would say Lane kind of is
in his own little world though, like he's not. It's weird, right,
like Sark and Ryan Day are under more pressure, like

(50:50):
when you coach at Old Miss last I think last
year when he won double digit games, it was the
first time in Old Miss history they'd gone back to
back years with double digit games. It's like they're just
so excited to have a competent football.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Program right where he's not under the same pressure as
his guy sark Like it was like a couple of
years ago, it's like, start gonna make it here. Once
Lane won ten games first time, it's like, hey, contract extention,
just stay here forever. Even Ryan Day, it's like, I'm
not the biggest Ryan Day guy, but his record is
fantastic and he's like fighting for his job. So it's
like it's hard to know what he would look like.

(51:26):
I would say this, the talent on that roster is
pretty impressive. I mean what they did at Georgia the
other night or a couple of weeks ago in the rain. Now,
I think sometimes in college football in the SEC, these
home field advantages are just so crazy. So it's like, yeah,
if they just played a bunch of neutral sites games,
Like does how many times z ole Miss beat Georgia

(51:48):
on a neutral site? They played ten times? Probably two
or three, But you get them at home, you know,
that was a big advantage. Like Tennessee got Bama at Tennessee.
You know, it just depends. You know, Georgia had to
go to Bama. I do think when you look at
all these top teams that are all vying for the playoffs,
most of their biggest wins against other sweet teams have

(52:09):
not been on the road. Right A and M beat
LSU at home, Bama beat Georgia at home, Georgia beat
Tennessee at home, Ole Miss beat Georgia at home. These
fucking places are bananas, and most of these games now
that like the new TV deals, I feel like all
the big primetime games this year have been the sec

(52:29):
haven't they. Oh yeah, oh yeah, ABC's ESPN deal they have.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
It's that one, that one PM slot and that four
to thirty PM slot, and.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Now yeah, the four to thirty spot has been the prime.
It used to be kind of go back and forth
a little bit, like for most of my adult life,
like Ohio State and Michigan and some of the Pac
twelve teams. Would you know, it would kind of rotate.
But now you know the big controversy of Big Noon
and rightfully so they own that morning spot, which is

(53:00):
basically all Ohio State. We're is pissing people off. But listen,
it's you're not you would split viewers against the SEC.
So in terms of like they're getting these massive viewers
because they're not the morning slot typically sucks and then
the SEC and the Big ten or I guess not
the Big ten, but some of the former PAC twelve
schools that are in the Big ten now play in

(53:21):
that one o'clock four thirty slot and it hurts the
SC's down because they It's like someone text me the
other day, like, what do you think in Nebraska USC,
I'm like, I didn't even know they were playing, right,
I didn't even know the game was on fighting for
a Bowl game.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Speaking of Big Noon, my fourth question for you, sir,
can Indiana stun Ohio State? And if Indiana loses margin
of loss I guess will be in consideration for this game.
Can the Hoosiers still get in the playoff?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
This is this is gonna be a polarizing question because
I do think if they lose, like and I don't
think this is gonna happen, I would expect. I don't
know why, besides just watching them play against random Big
ten teams, they beat the shit out of them, Like
Indiana has rolled people. Now this is a completely different
world on the road, and he do you know what's

(54:15):
crazy is like, can you imagine a bunch of dudes
you play with at Montana? I mean, things have changed
because of transfer portal and stuff. Just like two years
later being at like a big Tanner SEC school and
all being starters on undefeated team at ten and zero
and like like this team's gonna be one of the best.
That's just a crazy. When I was at cal Pauly,

(54:35):
we were pretty good, and the jump when I got
to Fresno State felt like Jesus and all those guys.
He took a bunch of JMU guys and my buddy
did his guy Haberman that does Big ten Network, that's
called a bunch of their games. He's like, do you
know when he originally recruited those guys at GMU, they
weren't like the appy state like they had already bumped up.
They were still down in D one, double A. So

(54:58):
the you could argue that's why he's like an eight
to nine million if he can if he can develop players,
I mean, what an incredible opportunity because you're never gonna
out recruit Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, LSU. But if I
can get the middle tier guys, why can't I be
like the Boise State of the Big ten. So he
has a huge value. But we're gonna find out, like

(55:19):
can his dudes from JMU who have looked incredible. It's
I would say it's a little different animal here those
you know, what's the receiver's name, Jeremiah Smith of the
safety that they paid like five million dollars from Alabama.
I mean, these guys aren't like really good call. These
guys are like top five NFL players. Like if these

(55:40):
guys could come out after their freshman or sophomore years,
they're getting drafted in the top ten. So and listen
some of his JM. You guys from Indiana are probably
gonna get drafted on like the third day, which is
which is awesome, Like you can play the NFL for
a long time. But I would love it if Indiana won.
I just have a hard time. If it's close, it's

(56:01):
an incredible achievement. I do think though, if he gets
his shit kicked in, Like if it's like thirty to
nothing in half and going into the fourth quarter it's
like forty five to seven, I think people will start
answering the asking the question, and then you know who's
gonna get loud as the SEC guys like, wait, they
get to play nobody like I was thinking if because

(56:22):
for a minute, when you're down to ten nothing and
you're like, wait, George is gonna lose? You can't. They're
gonna have three losses and they're not gonna make the playoffs.
We all acknowledge they're one of the best ten teams,
but because of their crazy schedule, Like is Indiana better
than them? I'll give Penn State a little more room,
even though like their head coach lose all these games.

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They do have NFL guys everywhere and they are tough,
Like I do think if Indiana played Penn State, I
would take Penn State. And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe Kirk
Signetti is like the next Nick Saban. I don't know,
but I would be. I would be surprised. Now if
you like it, I think it's like a ten point
like they're getting a lot of points for a nundfeather

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and half put it this way, if the same thing
had happened and it was Penn State or Michigan who
had been beating the ship out of these teams going
into the Ohio State game. This game would be like
a three point line, you know, and we'd be talking.
We wouldn't even question, like this game would be irrelevant.
They would be a lock to be in the playoffs.

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And you could argue that maybe they are actually a
lock in that committee room. But yeah, I would not
want to be Indiana and get blown out and take
my chances because like they will just lean with let's
just load up on those two loss teams. You know.
I think a lot of people football guys and like

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players would make the argument that, like the two lost
SEC teams are just better if you get destroyed in
this game, I don't know. I mean, do you think
they got a shot?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
No, at Ohio State. I would was a neutral cier
at Indiana. I think one thing to look in this
game is if Curtis Rourke throws the interception early, he
starts out slow, it's gonna be a long day for him.
But I think if they can keep it close, like
you said, like if they lose by a touchdown, I
think into the committee's eyes, it's a better loss than
Penn State at home. But I mean it's a hell
of a story though, I'd love to see love to

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see them make the playoff.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
But they're probably I would say it would have to
take a massacre for them to get left out. You
could probably lose by twenty points.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I think I think they're minus five hundred to make
the playoff right now.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Being yeah, so you could lose like forty to twenty
and let's just say a half, it's you know, twenty
one to ten or something. Yeah, it'd be like attle House.
I think they'd be okay. The one thing they've done
and a couple of times I watched them, I mean
one time I had a pretty big bet on Nebraska.
They boat race you early, like that's been an Indiana thing.

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And then they they're kind of like the Detroit Lions
of the NFL. Obviously the Lions we know are really good.
We're about to find now. They like start kicking you
when you're down, like they don't call off the dogs.
I don't know. I mean, I I like Ohio State,
but don't get me wrong, I would love it would
make my Saturday to see Indiana win this game.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
If Indiana wins by seven or fourteen, do they jump
Oregon as the number one team in the Country or do.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
They stay at two. That's a good question. I mean,
I well, they would basically be a lock then to
play Oregon. It wouldn't really matter because Ohio State would
essentially be done right because I think is Indiana's last
game perdue Indian So it would be Indiana Oregon. So
even if you just like they play each other, which

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whoever would win that game would be a lock to
be number one. That would be if he were to
beat Ohio State. Sometimes, you know, upsets happened early in
the season, you don't quite know when it happens, and
then they age either better or worse. This is one
of those, like we've had a long build up to this,

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Ohio he doesn't get to sneak up on Ohio State. Right.
That's the other thing. Sometimes upsets in like September, you
kind of get to sleep on, like the team gets
to sneak up on you. Even Vanderbilt when they beat Alabama,
I think it would be a lot different three weeks later.
But you just played Georgia. You're playing Vanderbilt. I just
don't take you seriously because you're Vanderbilt. If Ohio State

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had played Indiana, like five weeks ago. Even if they
were five and zero. I wonder if they would they
just they would not take them as seriously no chance,
but there is no way, there's no avoiding. Like I
think they're treating this game like they're playing Penn State
or Oregon, which sucks for Indiana because I think part
of a good upset is, like when you're clearly unmanned,

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is you get to fly under the radar, like get
to attack from the back. But like when they put
their soldiers behind the house, it's harder to do a
sneak attack.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
It's gonna be a fun game. I'm speaking in the
Big Ten. My fifth question for you. Three weeks ago,
you said on your show that you liked Oregon to
win the national championship. We've seen this this season where
some teams at the top have had some scared games.
They had a narrow victory last weekend sixteen to thirteen
at Wisconsin. Has your view changed on the Ducks after

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that narrow victory?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Well, I think you're like I said about the SEC,
I would say Wisconsin is one of the places and
we don't see it as much because these Big Ten
teams play a lot of morning games. When you do
play a night game in some of these places, Penn State, Wisconsin,
they do have an sec vibe like that's a tough
place to play and you're still dealing with eighteen nineteen

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twenty year old guys, like you don't get to blow
everyone out. I still like Oregon a lot. I one
I guess thing I would change my tune on. I
do think it's going to be very, very difficult to
bet on who's gonna win the National Championship because one,
you're not getting great odds on like Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia,

(01:02:02):
and to me, there are no lock to make it
pass like it's gonna be hard for them to get
to the final four, and there are no lock to
be in the final game. So you might just be
better off betting on an individual game basis. I think
it's pretty wide open. I saw something on TV as
like college Football today or you know like if all
miss gets in, could they win the Natty? Well, hell yeah,
And that's I don't think we could say that, you

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know in recent years now, granted it was just a
small pool, but it was pretty clear, like looking back
last year, you know, the National Championship turns out it
was Michigan Alabama because Washington, while they match up really
good against Texas, it would have been those two defenses
were too good. They just wouldn't have been able to

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I mean Alabama has like corners starting for the Detroit Allance,
I mean their defense, the pass rusher who went in
the first round of the Minnesota Vikings like that would
have been they would have lost those two games. So
it turns out the National Championship was at the Rose Bowl.
I don't know if we're going to be able to

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say that about like any of these games now, Oregon
has as good of a chance as any But like,
do you think Notre Dame can win national championship?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
No, I think game you gotta play more games.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Right, I do think Notre Dame at home against Penn
State would be a closer game than people expect. I
think Notre Dame would be an underdog.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Like I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Notre Dame hasn't played anybody than I you loss. I
hear about it every day, you know, week two and stuff.
But if you talk about most impressive team the last
two months that's been dominating teams like Indiana has, Notre
Dame has Riley Leonard has been more confident in the pocket.
But I do worry about USC next week on the
road because those are one of those games that Notre Dames,
like you talk about Brian Kelly winning those games, Marcus

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Freeman usually loses that last week in a rivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Game when they need to win it most. So the
one thing you're going for, the one thing you get
going for. There will be no home field advantage for ESC,
No one cares. It'll be pretty life. If anything, There'll
be a lot like West Coast Notre Dame fans out there.
You could argue it be a Notre Dame home game, true, you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Should go to that Probably be cheap tickets I'll use,
I'll use game time, yeah, coach on game time, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah. I mean there's gonna be there's gonna be a
lot of pressure on three or four coaches in that
first round, the non by teams, and if those two
teams play each other there probably there'll be You could
argue there'll be more pressure on James Franklin than any coach,
you know, five through twelve those original games, because if
he can't, especially if he's favored against Notre Dame, technically

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he's he probably won't get a home game. Huh, probably
won't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Mm, probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
No, I don't, I don't. I don't know. It's either
gonna be like the fifth or the sixth, or they're out,
like they either beat USC and they're like one of
the top teams, or they're just out. If they lose
that game, they're out. There's no margin for victory, which
the SEC would love for Notre Dame to lose because
that would basically get them five teams.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I was gonna ask you to my last question, bonus
question six, do you value because now with the transfer
portal and nil, like the landscape of college football is
just evened out and you always hear, well, they haven't
played anybody but eye.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Test strike the schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Do you value strike the schedule now because of the
new landscape of college football or is it more eye
test in your opinion?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
What for both? The thing to me, the thing with
strength of schedule is like a schedule could look good
at the beginning of the season and then by the
end looks shittier. And I think sometimes you know in
the SEC, like this is gonna be a hard schedule,
This is not gonna be hard. But like when a
team runs the table that no one thought, like Indiana,
like people picked them to win like three or four games,

(01:05:48):
and then they win and you try to discount it.
I think one thing that hurts the Big Ten is
just down because Michigan sucks. So like part of the
SEC argument's always been like, you know, the bottom sucks. Well, yeah,
the middle tier has always been loaded with NFL players.
So you had these teams winning six or seven games,

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but they were full of like five or six guys
from those teams would be drafted and then the top
teams were elite, and the Big Ten always had that too,
but now their top They got very lucky that Oregon
got involved because like Ohio State Oregon, Penn State's kind
of established what they are, an NFL factory that you
don't trust to win any big game. I do think

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the eye test has to matter because like Penn State
has not beat anybody, and they haven't in a long time,
but it's clear they're pretty damn good because of the
NFL players they have like on their front seven and
they're beating ninety five percent of the country. It just
happens like, yeah, the last three years Jim Harbaugh owned them. Well, yeah,
Jim Harbaugh had an NFL team. Ohio State kicks their ass.

(01:06:51):
Well yeah, Ohi State kicks everyone's ass except like two
or three teams in the country. So you know, I
I think it's a tough argument. There's no right or
wrong answer. But the eye test watching a team play
over the course of a season has to matter, right,
it just does. Like clearly, you know, A and M
loses Notre Dame and then as you've seen them play,

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like they clearly have a good coach and they're loaded
with NFL players. Now just because you have an eye test,
that would have been the thing for Georgia. Like if
they would have lost that game to Tennessee and they
had three losses, your argument to get them into the
playoff would have been the eye test. It's like, guys,
they got every single position on defense, they got an
NFL draft pick, they got NFL players on offense. Their

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quarterback coming into the coming into the season was viewed
as a first round er. He had a bad season,
but they still have the best coach. It's harder to
make that, so you have to have like at the
end of the day, it does come down to winning
and losing the games, right, And that's like Clemson's a
good example, Like I'm glad they lost that second game.
They're just not as good as a lot of these teams.

(01:07:56):
If you put Clemson in the SEC, they're not six
and six, but they're probably like eight and four, right,
and they're gonna be what ten and two, Like I
watched a lot of that game against pitt the other day.
I mean they should have lost that game, right, Yeah,
So I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Was gonna ask you too because on that topic, like
Texas right now, so people are kind of speculating that
if Texas's the Texas A and M next week, their
best wins Vanderbilt. But to your point about it tests everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Their second loss, they'd be their second loss.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Yeah, so they'd be in the six way tie, Like
it'd be A and M beat Texas, but Texas beat Vanderbilt,
who's not even in the mix. They won't even have
a win with the top six teams in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So do they get they would be tough because it's
clear they are loaded with talent, Like no one argues that,
like they are a top five roster in college football.
They got curb stomped by Georgia, which was pretty embarrassing.
I think the where's that game in A and M?
At A and M. That's a tough way to play,

(01:08:58):
So I I think one thing they have going for
him is they were a playoff team last year. They
rolled back a lot of the dudes. I'd have no
problem if they got in, But I would understand the
argument because part of it, like you know, last year,
for example, once it came down to the end, and

(01:09:19):
remember the argument was like once Bama beat Georgia, It's like, well,
Texas beat Alabama. So I'm a big believer in the
head to head even if you play twelve or thirteen.
You know, if you end up going the conference chapionship,
you play thirteen games, what's the whole point of the sport?
If I beat you straight up? Like, let's just say
the final spot came down to Notre Dame in A
and M. Like, even if A and M has incredible wins,

(01:09:39):
I played you and I beat you, like well at
the beginning. No, that's the whole point of this whole
fucking sport is to play a game who wins and
who loses? Now that's it's not gonna come down to that,
right because Notre Dame is gonna have a less loss.
But let's just say in that scenario, like whenever it
comes in that scenario in football, I get in college
basketball where you play all these games, and football you

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only play twelve, so like everyone really really matters, and
I don't really know how, Like what if there are
no upsets in the SEC? Like right now, who's I
guess if Texas wins out? They were in the SEC
championship game, right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, it would be Texas and then Georgia would get
in because A and m's second right now, But if
they lose to Texas, they'd get knocked out. Georgia would
get in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
So if you're in the SEC because Georgia beat Alabama,
yeah yeah, correct, and they also beat Tennessee and then
Ole misses all the way down there because of common
opponents and tyer. So here's what's going to be interesting though,
So Georgia plays Texas, right and they got two losses.
What if they lose that game? So Texas beats them?
So obviously Texas is probably the two seed behind Oregon.

(01:10:49):
Ohio State potentially the one. I guess if Ohio State
were to win that game, Georgia then has three losses,
but they'd go, well, Ole Miss in Alabama are ten
and two. They didn't even play. That is kind of
worst case scenario where things get weird. I would guess
Georgia would just be in. Wuld they get in? Like,
do you think they'd get in over one of those
two loss teams with the third loss, especially the game close?

(01:11:11):
I think they have to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
That's what I was gonna ask you, is like, you
can't punish a team that makes it the SEC Championship.
And if you're the SEC right now, you almost hope
that Texas beats Texas A and M because then you've
got all two loss teams and then it's like you
get one to three loss either Texas or Georgia. To
your point, how do they not get in if they
have that extra game? But you saw last year in

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the four team playoff that Georgia made it to the
SEC Championship and lost to Bama. But I guess Bama,
you know, had a good performance there and they got
knocked on any think from like one to four or
one to five, I should say, being Georgia. So I
think it's a lot of debate, a lot of discussion.
It's just gonna be weird how the committee decides it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
In the SEC bias, Indiana is throwing the curve ball
in this because if they didn't exist, if they were
just like an eight and four team having a great
year but not a playoff team, the Big ten would
just get their three teams. It'd be Oregon, Ohio State,
Penn State, and the SEC would get their five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
And you kind of hope that Notre Dame loses if
you're the SEC, because then that takes the spot out
of there too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
So but I would say, if you just did the
math looking forward to the next five years, you know
Notre Dame's upcoming schedule better than mine. But as long
as they're going to stay independent, they're probably going to
be there more often than not, right in the mix.
So and especially if, like whoever their ranked teams are,
if they take care of business and this year they

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went to Tech, does text A and M go to
Notre Dame next year they do? So it's like you
win that game. I mean, what's A and M going
to be ranked coming into the season next year top
fifteen team? I'm sure? So are you that game? Again.
So I just think that I think there's gonna be
a lot less energy though for whoever quote unquote gets

(01:12:52):
left out because we used to it used to be
a big deal. Like you could argue Florida State last
year even though I think they made the right decision
because their quarterback, we're all injured. I do get if
you were like a Florida State fan or in the program,
you're like, what are you kidding me? Right, that's it.
But there was four spots this year. It's like they're
twelve guys. There were twelve. So it's like, let's say

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Ole Miss gets left out. It's like, well, didn't you
lose to Kentucky, Like that's your own fault.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, and LSU, which doesn't look as impressive right now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
So that was awful loss, especially they were up in
that game. Okay, Jackson, I appreciate you. Go grizz. We'll
talk to you next week. Buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
The volume