November 20, 2024 • 37 mins
Colin goes all in on Deion Sanders becoming the next head coach of the Cowboys and why this is this the perfect match. He also explains the big takeaway from the latest College Football Playoff rankings and what this means for the "dominance" of the SEC. Plus, Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to talk this weekend's huge match up between #5 Indiana taking on #2 Ohio State
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Joel Klapp. One hour from now, the latest installment, the
third installment of the college football twelve team Playoff, has out.
He got some strong opinions on that. In about five
or six minutes. The Los Angeles Lakers have perhaps found
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their new star. Connecting from three Jmac our show yesterday,
as we are prone to do, made a little news
yesterday happens regularly, so yesterday the playmaker one of the
great receivers of all time, the Troykman, Michael Irvin, Emmett
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Smith Dallas Dallas Cowboys. Michael Irvin remains relevant and interesting
so this past weekend he was going to Cowboy games
and he was going to the Jake Paul Tyson fight,
and Michael Irvin also went to the Colorado game. And
there's been a lot of talk, and I think it's
obvious if you're paying attention, that McCarthy's out and they're
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looking for a rock star as a head coach. Well,
there's this guy named Dion Sanders, the former Dallas Cowboy
who has bet on himself his entire life Jackson State, Colorado.
As a player, he was bouncing around Falcons to Cowboys
and Niners and a very confident guy. So there's this
feeling that Dion, although Dion said I'm not interested, would
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be in line to get the Cowboys job. And Michael
Irvin was at just about that possibility. If Jerry the
cowboy's up there around one, they're gonna get Shador.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
If you want somebody to follow footsteps, you got your door,
you get Dion.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I believe one hundred pluscent.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And I can tell you good sources have told me that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, Okay, that made news. Now Dion Sanders said, and
I'll quote him, Hey, I'm happy I've got my kickstand down,
you know, what a kickstand is. I'm resting it should
be duly noted that kickstands are always temporary. They're not
down forever. Somebody gets on that bike, and I am convinced.
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If Dallas gets the number one pick, and I think
they have a chance to I think they're going to
draft shadeor Sanders and hire Dion Sanders's coach. The funniest
response to this is, well, well, a Dak has a
no trade clause. Yes, so did Russell Wilson. You don't
think Dak would waive that in two seconds if they
drafted Shador Sanders. By the way, Aaron Rodgers March twenty
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twenty two, Packers signed him to the biggest annual payment
deal in the league at quarterback. By April of twenty
twenty three, he was a Jet. Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty
nineteen remember him. For about a minute, he was the
highest paid quarterback. Two years later they drafted Trey Lance. Again,
Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Nobody cares be
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good now. Jared goffkint a new deal a couple years later,
sent him to Detroit, went and got Matt Stafford. Everything's negotiable.
Everything in life is negotiable, but especially at quarterback. I
mean Dak Prescott. They've been stringing him along for years
before his last contract. Dak Prescott is a grown up.
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My favorite part of Dak. He's reasonable, He's a grown up.
He understands the world and the way the game is played.
Here was Dak this summer.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I enjoy being a cowboy one thousand percent. Joy living
in Dallas, joy everything about it. But this is a business.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You think Dak's gonna get special treatment. Russell Wilson didn't,
Aaron Rodgers didn't, and they have trophies. That's the way
the world works. There's other stories out today that Jets
are not going to remain in the Aaron Rodgers business.
So I'll say it again. If Dallas loses the next
two weeks and they're a ten point dog to the
Commanders this week, they will lose. And if they lose
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to the New York Giants at home, and doesn't matter
where it's at, Dallas gets hammered at home weekly. I
think they're a front runner for the number one pick
because the Jacksonville's and the Tennessees have to play twice still,
so those guys are gonna win games, like New England's
gonna win games, Cleveland's gonna win games. I'm not sure
Dallas does win another game if they lose on Thanksgiving
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next Thursday to the New York Giants. And to me,
it's the only way to escape the current mess. Hire
a rock star head coach and draft a rock star
quarterback on a rookie deal, because Dallas will probably have
to pay a big chunk of Dak's contract the Broncos
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did with Russell Wilson, and Russell can still play and
Dak can still play, but he'll be off his second surgery.
Dak lost his mobility off the first surgery, and he
is not good enough to elevate this roster. They need
a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback, and
as Michael Irvin said yesterday, he has it sourced. They
could get Dion Sanders. I don't know why anybody would,
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oh the no trade clause. People wave stuff in their
contracts all the time. Dak's not gonna sit behind and
be embarrassed on the bench. Cameras on him every thirty seconds.
Dak Prescott backing up the Dallas Cowboys and they'll be
a market for Dak. People may not want to pay
for his contract. But by the way, there will be
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no market for Russell Wilson. He's doing pretty well. There's
always a market in a sport where a third of
the teams are dreadful at quarterback. If somebody else is
paying the money, and Dallas will have to pay a
lot of the money, somebody will take Dak. They're not
gonna take Dak in his contract, but they'll take Dak. Okay,
So I thought this was interesting. So yesterday was the
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third installment of the college football twelve team playoff. Now
it's gonna change over the course of time, but a
lot of the favorites may not lose again before the
playoffs starting December twentieth. So my favorite the most interesting
part of this. For years and years, cold weather teams
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan have complained, how come we
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always have to play the bowl games down in Sez Territory. Well,
the weather's better. As of this morning, if the playoffs started,
Bama would have to go to Notre Dame, Georgia would
have to play at Penn State, Ole Miss would have
to go to Indiana, and somebody would have to go
to Columbus, Ohio all potentially minus four degrees in windy
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when the playoffs starts December twentieth. No more Miami, New Orleans,
Citrus Bowl, Orlando. It would be the coldest game easily
for any of those SEC athletes. And by the way,
I do not think what I'm about to say as
a coincidence. Do you know the five winningest teams in
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professional football in the last twenty thirty years cold weather
New England cold weather, Baltimore, cold weather, Green Bay, cold weather, Pittsburgh,
cold weather Philly and throwing the Chiefs. You think it's cool.
How come there's no dome teams? How Come there's no
warm weather teams because cold weather teams are fine going
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into warmer weather. Go look at Tua, who played high
school football in Hawaii and then went to warm weather SEC.
He is horrible under forty eight degrees. He's zero and
six and that's forty eight degrees. What if it's twelve,
what if it's windy? I mean, Tua is a completely
different quarterback when he plays over forty eight degrees. He's
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a pro bowler one hundred passer rating seventy percent completion
under forty eight degrees. He's brought Offsweiler, but for Shorter,
I mean he literally is a backup. So and you say, oh,
it doesn't make that big a deal. I think it's
a five point swing. And by the way, it doesn't
mean Georgia can't go up north and win. I'm not
saying that, but it matters, and it matters a lot
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because when you're older, you've traveled to different regions. But
when you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, you're from a
warm weather area. You haven't necessarily in your off time
or vacation time, gone to Kansas City, Green Bay, Buffalo,
or Baltimore. So I'm not saying an SC team SEC
team couldn't win, but I will say it is in
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my life, it has been an advantage that SEC teams,
and they're very good and deserve all the respect, but
they've often played their bowl games. I mean, I was
looking this morning. Georgia in the last six years has
played three bowls in Atlanta, two in New Orleans, and
two in Miami. You don't think it's a little bit
of an advantage, not having to not having a trail,
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having more fans there, the weather under control.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean that that's now Oregon.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I don't worry about because Oregon plays in sloppy, wet weather. Uh,
you know, November fifth on, they'll be fine. They're actually
built for war more cold weather. They get a little both.
But I that kind of jumped out to me Joel
Clatt in one hour, that kind of jumped out to
me that I thought. You know, for years the Big
Ten fans complained about it. In a lot of years,
the SEC just had better players and better teams. But
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it's an advantage. You know, people go look at the
history of the LA Chargers, then the San Diego Chargers,
when Dan Fouts and a stack team had to go
play in Cincinnati, Go ask Dan about that. It matters.
Go ask two about playing cold weather. I don't. I
think it's a coincidence that even in pro football the
last twenty thirty years, New England, Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly,
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Kansas City, and by the way, Josh Allen, in about
seven years they're gonna win thirteen games a year. Buffalo
will be in that group. That's the next group to
be in it. J Mack, you know you are a
basketball savant. Jay Mack. You love hoops and you have
been very excited about one Dalton Connect. Well, last night,
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Dalton Connect. This is the kid, the rookie from Tennessee. Now,
he had a very fascinating journey junior college, went to
like a Division two school, then he went to Tennessee.
So he had five years of college basketball. And what
I love about Dalton Connect of the Lakers is that
it wasn't easy. He didn't go like high school G
league pro. He got beat up, he was doubted. People
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rolled their eyes. But you and I were watching him
last year in the tournament and we were like, this
dude gets a bucket. Oh yeah, like he is hyper athletic. Well,
Lebron has been saying. Lebron said last year during March Madness,
who's that dude at Tennessee. Well, now he's Lebron's teammate.
He went off last night, and we'll talk about that.
Have the Lakers found their next star? We'll talk about
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that coming up.
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So one of the things that I've never understood. Is
Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner, demonizing college basketball. I think
it's a great marketing tool. And there's so many NBA
players that you're seeing. There's a little pivot in the
NBA because the new CBA. The NBA has a new CBA.
Trading is harder, Okay, So if you screw up draft picks,
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you're in trouble. So NBA teams, the smart ones, the
Miami Heat did this last year. Jimi Howkkez junior from
UCLA four years ready to play. You don't get some
immature g leaguer. You have to babysit in. They went
and got UCLA's best player four years of college. Dude,
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is a bucket first day in the league. Look at
the Lakers. Austin Reeves four years of college, ready to play.
Dalton connect actually five years of college. Last night thirty
seven points, rookie record ties at nine threes. Unbelievable, and
Lebron loves him. Why because Lebron didn't like the Lonzol ball.
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He didn't like the immature guys. He's not a babysitter.
Lebron wants you to be able to play. He's got
things he's trying to attain get out of his way
unless you can come in and play. And we saw
this last season again with a Miami Heat jimehw kez Junior,
ready to play, Zach Edy four years at Purdue, ready
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to play. Maturity is undervalued. The new CBA is going
to make trades harder. That's why we have a term
Villanova guy. Because Jay Wright demanded you play defense. You
stayed in school, you had to go to class, you
had to grow up, you had to play well with
others on campus. The G League does not create all
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these stars. Derek White of the Celtics is another guy.
Had to go D two, then he transferred to Boulder,
then he has to go to a couple different NBA teams.
He's okay being a four or a five. He's a
great He's one of the best number fours I can
ever remember in the league. Kind of like a Rick Fox,
where you're like that guy could be a two on
some teams, he's a four or five sometimes on the Celtics.
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Don't babysit and coddle. The NBA does too much of it.
It's always getting this, getting this prospect because he's got
great handles. He's eighteen. You think Lebron and a D
and Jannis want to play with eighteen and nineteen year olds,
They want to play with Dalton connect and Lebron said
after the game, I've been telling you guys for two years,
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this kid's the real deal.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I've said it. I watched him.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched Tennessee a lot.
I did not think he was gonna follow to us.
I thought it would be impossible. I have no idea
how that happened, but very grateful, very happy that he's here.
I knew exactly what was getting when he failed.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
To seventeen Lebron, I knew exactly what I was getting.
I'd watched his game for years. Lakers are only half
a game out of first place. They've won six straight
and again, to me, he's a more talent at Austin Reeves.
Is that you're talking about a kid who spent time.
And ask yourself this. If you went to college and
you're listening to the show and you came out after
two semesters, do you think you were ready for the
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workplace or do you think three or four years in
college you were more ready for the workplace. The NBA
is a workplace, and if you're gonna go to really
good team, if you're good. James Wiseman bust three games
in college at Memphis. Scoot Henderson Portland goes to the
g lead. Oh tell what a p player. That guy
is not ready to play. Could have use college this
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idea that we demonize college basketball. You get better coaching
on average, you get better training staffs, you get better
travel and the truth is you have to kind of
hang around other college students. It's a real life. Didn't
we all grow up more in that three to four
year period of college than any other time in our life.
You're on your own, first time away from your parents.
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You don't have track suit Tony Aau hanging around. You're
in college. The classes are hard, the professors are demanding
Dalton connect, Austin Reeves, Derek Why, Zach Edy, Hi mayhaw
Kes Junior to me with the new CBA, stop demonizing
college basketball. You get I'll take Tom Izzo for three
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or four years. Go ask Draymond Green. You know that
the Golden State Warriors team that was so great, Klay Thompson,
Steph Curry stay at school Davidson. You got Draymond Green
stayed in school. You know who didn't James Wiseman. He
couldn't figure out the league. He literally couldn't figure out
the offense. By the way, since they benched di'angelo Russell.
A talented guy, but the knock has always been maturity
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and focus. Dalton Connect five years college, Ready to play,
Microwaven Serve, Ready to go one more.
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Speaker 1 (16:27):
Joel Klatt, the voice of college football at Fox's, joining
me as he's prone to do on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What's up, dude, Well, we're doing very very well. So well,
it is a big week, and you know, how do
I state this? We know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We know there are certain brands in college football that
when they have a good coach Ohio State, now Texas,
now Bama, now Georgia now now years Okay, okay, we
know they have better players than everybody, except if they
play one of those other teams.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, the matchup games.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, okay, So let's just say Indiana walks into Columbus
twenty eight to twenty seven upsets them. We can all
blame Ryan Day because that's all we do. But what
you're telling me is because I still have questions about
Penn State. I still do. Maybe I'm wrong. They've beaten
a lot of teams badly, but you lose to Oregon
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in Indiana. In my opinion, Indiana then is a top
five team. You lost to the two best teams you faced.
I'm not sure you're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Oh you're saying Ohio State if they lose at home,
so then you would say the same thing about Texas
if they lost A and M, they're not going to
lose d am Well, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, you can make the argument for America's best.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Win is Vandy.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, well they beat Alabama. So but anyway, you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So are we sure that Ohio State in Texas? Let's
start with Ohio State. Are we sure if they lose
the next couple of weeks their playoff teams. I'm not
so sure about Texas. I would be pretty sure about
Ohio State. I still think you might have questions about
Penn State. I think largely the college football world doesn't. Yeah,
they had a lot of blowout wins. They have, and
they've played well since that Ohio State game. And remember
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this is a team that for a number of years
has been an elite level team. Speaking of Penn State,
the only losses that they suffer are to Michigan and Ohio.
I just saw USC walk up and down the field
on them, So that's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's fine. So no, I don't think Ohio State would
be in trouble in that regard. I think that there
are much worse resumes behind them. But having said that,
this matchup specifically, I think is fascinating, and it got
more fascinating in the last twenty four hours. The starting
center for Ohio State, who has largely been their best
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offensive line.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
They've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They had Simmons, the left tackle, he got hurt, and
now Seth McLaughlin, who is the transfer player from Alabama,
has really solidified their offensive line at the center position.
They rave and rave and rave about him. The reports
are are that that he is done for the year
and was injured in practice yesterday. So that is a
major development for this week and even next week. When
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you're talking about facing a Michigan team where their strongest
part of their team is their defensive interior line.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So I would say, going, you know the two things
about Ohio State. I like great wide receivers, great great
wide receiver. I think their linebackers now have been upgraded
over the last couple of years. I think they run
pretty well, sometimes over over pursued, but I think their
linebackers looked like NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The safeties, probably the best safety played.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In the country. Line been a little squishy, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I would agree. That's why I think it was such
a big point of conversation, the way that they beat
Penn State running the football, and they had they had
they had toyed around with the lineup and inserted last
year starting center Carson Hensman in at left guard and
Donovan Jackson, the All American guard, moved out to left tackle.
But now there are going to be major questions about
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just who's on the field in front of Will Howard
and those bags. It's it's a huge, huge development and
we'll see what happens kind of moving forward. But that
that is, and in particular this late in the week,
your game plan is in all your practices are in
so when you're trying to get someone one hundred, well
not the audible. He's called all the protections. Yeah, he's
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calling all of the offensive line calls and the protections.
And he's been excellent. Again. He's he's an All American Rimington,
you know, possible best center in the country. So to
lose him is a big deal for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay, So I've always I always joke about this with
my wife. I'm like, I don't know how these baseball
players do it. They're on planes, they have like twenty
seven road trips. Yeah, then they go play in the
hot sun. And I'm like, even NBA and hockey guys,
I'm like, I'd be a football just because the travel
schedules these year. These hockey guys are out there having
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a good time after the games. It's playing, it's play.
It's three in the ame morning. But I did notice
it this weekend. I'm gonna give Oregon a pass. They
look tired against Wisconsin last week, like eight straight, seven
straight conference games. They looked tired.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So they had to buy early, not early, but in
September that was their first off week. Then this week
is their next off week. So that means that they
played eight consecutive weeks of football, which is just hard.
And guess what, they didn't have that sec you know,
bs like Mercer in the middle of their schedule. They
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played eight consecutive weeks of conference play. Nobody in the
country has done that. And do you know that, as
far as schedule makeup goes, that is the only team
in the country that had to do that eight consecutive
weeks of conference play. They're a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Everybody looked like, let's just win and get home.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Meanwhile, you know, I'm gonna I'm also going to give
them a pass for that. They came back and won
the game. It's it's at night. It's a far travel experience.
Wisconsin had been playing better, in particular on the defensive slide.
They still won, right like Tennessee lost to what was
it Arkansas, Ole Miss lost to Kentucky, Fama lost a
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Van dam a loss to Vanderbilt. So there's something about
making sure that you get the win. And everybody has
thrown out one stinker. I mean, that's just that's just
the case. Look at Georgia didn't play well against Kentucky.
You know, they've taken a couple of losses. Notre Dame
got beat by Northern Illinois. So there's something to be
said for a great team that is tired. They've played
eight consecutive weeks, no off week, all in conference play.
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They travel out to Madison and it's at night, and
you get in a dog fight and you're down in
the fourth quarter and they still won.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Act.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I actually believe that it says more about Oregon than less. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
My takeaway was, Oh, it's these are And I'm sitting
googling their schedule. I'm like, yeah, these are like you're
talking nineteen year old kids. They still have class, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Like they look tired, and now they've qualified for the
Big Championship game. Yeah, so they're in ye. And to
be honest with you, with the way that they've played,
with their win over Ohio State, I think that they're
just into the playoff. Like, let's let's just say, sake
of argument, Washington beats them and they still go to
the Big Ten champions They beat Ohio State. So to me,
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we have one team that's in Oregon is in the playoff.
They're in the Big Ten Championship game, and and I
firmly believe that they're going to play well in all
of them.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So let's show the top. If we do have this,
the twelve team playoff. The only thing I took from it,
it's not complete, but I did think it's interesting. Is
all these SEC teams Alabama has to go play in
cold weather. Georgia plays Penn State and coldwell all miss Indiana.
That will be the coldest game by twenty degrees any
of those SEC players have ever played in. And all
you have to do is look at Tua, who played
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high school in Hawaii SEC football under forty eight degrees.
He is a clipboard holder. It matters, it does. Two
is great.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It matters, it does, and I will I will tell
you this, like I do believe that there's going to
be a ten and two SEC team left out of
the playoff, like so for example, and these are this
is all going to change, right, Like do I do
I think that that Boise is going to get a buy?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And and is Indiana,
you know, gonna remain at seven? I'm not sure. What
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I do know, though, is that there's too many teams
in the SEC that can finish ten and two, and
likely one of them is going to get left out
at this point, it would be Tennessee because they're not
in the twelve team playoffs. So if you're a Tennessee fan,
and I know this is going to sound crazy, you
got to root for Florida this week against Ole Miss.
You got to root for Army against Notre Dame. And
I'd be rooting for Texas against Texas A and M
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because the last thing you would want if you're Tennessee
or Ole Miss or get an A and M ten
and two with a win over Texas. So so those
are the games that those teams are rooting for. And
then one more point on this bracket right here is
Bama is sitting there right now at that nine seed.
They would go to Notre Dame. The nine seed is
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the worst seed to get in this bracket. Let me explain.
You could say that the lower seeds are also worse,
but the nine seed has to go on the road
in the first round. You don't want to do that.
So any of the bottom four seeds you don't want,
but the nine seeds specifically, because even if you can
win a game on the road in the playoff, you
have to face the number one team in the country
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the following in the following game in the quarterfinals, and
this iteration, it would be an Oregon or a Big
Ten champ or an SEC champ. Then and watch this
here in the semis, you would likely face the five
seed because the loser of the Big Ten championship or
the SEC championship is going to get the five seed.
When you get the five seed, you host twelve and
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then you go play the four. Remember the four seed
is just a high ranked conference champ. In this case,
it would be Boise, it could be BYU, it could
be Colorado. That's not a game that's going to scare
the five seed, which means that the nine seed, Alabama
in this case, would have to play on the road
against Notre Dame, then Oregon, then Ohio State before going
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to a national championship. The toughest road in the playoff,
and this iteration and the way that they've constructed it
is the nine seed that's the one you've got to avoid.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So you did the Colorado win over Utah, yeah last week.
So first of all, I think Colorado should be in
the playoff rooting for him, because I think they're going
to win the Big Twelve. And I also think I
think it's hard to blow out Utah. They're generally when
they lose, they lose close generally. But I think it's
a good story. I think Dion's fascinating. I think Shador
Sanders and Travis Hunter I think for me college football,
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I would love to see Dion in the tournament. Whether
they I think they can win a game. I think
if you have the best two players in college football,
you can win a game of the tournament. Did they
look like a playoff team to you?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
They are very inconsistent in game, but at their best
they're certainly the big best team in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And so yes, low ceiling, high floor. Yes, And that
happened against Utah their floor high seedling floor.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
High ceiling. And here's the thing about Colorado's they didn't
even play great offensively. There was some sluggish moments in
that game, in particular in the first and early second quarter,
and they still scored forty two offensive points forty nine overall.
One was a pump return touchdown, but forty two points.
Utah's defense was healthy. Utah's defense is the number one
defense in the Big Twelve, just like you were talking about,
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teams don't do this to Utah. The forty nine points
put up against this Utah team was the most that
Kyle Whittingham's team has given up since twenty fourteen. Guess
who did that? Mariota's Oregon team. Like, only great offenses
do this to Utah, and it doesn't matter what conference
they're in or who they're playing, coach, and Colorado didn't
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even play great for about a quarter and a half
and still did that. I'm telling you, at the top end,
Colorado is dangerous. And the other thing that makes them
dangerous is their defensive line. If you look at the
second half of the season, this defensive line is one
of the best teams in the country, forcing pressure and
getting to the quarterback. They stopped the run. If there
was one thing that you could you Tah could do,
it'd be run the football with Mackai Bernard. That their
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big offensive line, their physical offensive line. They couldn't do
any of that against Colorado. So to answer your question,
Colorado is absolutely right now the best team of the
Big twelve. Now, can they beat Kansas this week on
the road? We'll see, We'll see, But I would love
to see them in the playoff. I think that that
would create an insane amount of interest in that playoff. Okay, now,
this next question is going to make you a bit uncomfortable.
(28:25):
And you go on a lot of shows with cream
puff hosts. That's not how that's no, no, this is
big Jay journalism right here, folks, I don't know if
you've been told. I'm here to tell you sometimes I
have to remind my audience of that. But needless to say,
Cowboys lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving. Ooh, I know
where you're going.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Number one pick, potentially take shaduur hmm. Let's be honest,
Jerry loves charisma.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let me ask you though, like, would they move can
they move off of Dak's cotton?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, Dak has a no trade clause, he'd wave it
in a second. If they drafted a quarterback. I mean,
Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Okay, he ended
up with the Steelers. Aaron Rodgers was the highest paid
quarterback in like March of twenty twenty two. By April
twenty twenty three, was a jet like teams move off,
people wave stuff. All right, I'm just saying that was
just my biggest question about the whole thing. So, Dion
Sanders leaving Colorado, if he did resentment, thank you, how
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would he be viewed do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You think, Oh no, it would be with love? I
mean this was a dead program. Oh no question, Yeah
it was. And I played there and that's that's what
I'm telling you. I told that to the athletic director
during the process. He didn't want to hear it, but
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I was like, hey, this is this is the worst
team in the Power five. So even if Dion were
to leave, he would be viewed with the utmost amount
of love. Okay, I believe Now. I don't know if
he's going to I asked him point blank last week
on Friday, do you want to go to the NFL?
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He said no, And he said, my purpose is to
be a coach, but it is more so to mentor
young men. And I don't believe I could do that
as my calling and my purpose at the NFL level,
that I can like I can do that at the
college life.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
He has great religious conviction. He has said that before,
and I believe him there. I think that is. I
do think he is he lives a purpose filled life.
I do believe that. And I think you know, a
lot of people say a lot of things. A lot
of coaches say a lot of things. Can I just
add to that real quick?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah. So we had a long discussion on Friday about
Warren Sap.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Who did you? And Dion?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yes, and Gus and Ginny. So this is our production
meeting on Friday before last week's game, and Gus started
asking him about Warren Sapp because Warren Sap, if you
don't know, is a defensive line assistant, so he's not
even the full time defensive line coach. And Dion said
something that was profound and absolutely act, and he said
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the only issue with Warren was that he didn't have
a purpose after he got done playing. We gave him
that purpose. And then you see Warren on the sideline
and his eyes are big, and he's got the headset
on and he's in it, man, with those kids, And
that is something very profound for any of us who
have played, you know, athletics at a decently high level,
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and certainly some of these guys that have gold jackets
and all of a sudden, when the music stops and
that merrygo Round stops and you're not Warren Sapped the
defensive tackle or Deon Sanders the two sports star. You've
got to find something in your life and some calling
in some purpose. Dion found that as a coach, and
he's a damn good coach. Look at what he's done
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at Colorado and when he Jackson State and Jackson State.
And so when he saw that in Warren, an old friend,
and he said like, no, no, no, Warren is going to
be fine. All you think is is some risky higher No, no, no,
he just needs purpose and calling and he's found that.
So I say that story only to just give you
a little bit more background on how big Dion is
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about purpose and calling and how much that runs and
drives the decisions that he makes.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I know when I stopped slinging that letter I
needed is that?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Was that it? And you thought I'm gonna talk about sports,
I'm gonna theorize, right, what the hell you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah? No, it's you know, the whole Dion thing. I
always thought there was a lot, isn't it fun? Well,
you know I've learned this. You know, we tend to
judge people on floors and not ceilings. Elon Musk has
bad days. But his ceiling is incredible. Dion hasn't been
perfect dumping water on a broadcast, you know, some charism
(32:49):
and ego, but I think America is founded on it's
okay if you screw up, we got your back. Nobody's perfect.
And what what I talked. I remember years ago, years ago.
This's a boring story, but years and years ago, I
was in Mexico and my daughter was one or two
years old, and I'm in the pool and there's this
kind of good looking older man with silver hair, and
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he just looked like and he looked like a movie
star from France. And I talked to everybody and he
was a he was a doctor in Beverly Hills and
he was from I think he was from like Saudi Arabia,
somewhere a Middle East. And I asked him, you know,
I said, do you what is it about America? And
he said, you Americans, you don't understand. He goes, I
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could have gone anywhere he was. Obviously he looked like
he had money, like he just looked, you know, And
he goes, It's the greatest place in the world. If
you have an idea or a skill, it's forgiving. They'll
help you chase your dreams. And he goes. It's not
as judgmental as other places he goes. You know, America
(33:55):
is he goes. I'm always reminding my other doctors the
grass isn't greener. I grew up in the other places,
and it leads me back. And I've always thought about
that is whenever the media gets a little too anti
this and they stop complaining about everything. Dion's journey is redeemable,
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even as a pro athlete. Remember this Atlanta. Now I'm
gonna go San Francisco, Dallas. He was the first bounce
around superstar Jackson State. Better than himself. Oh he's good.
Colorado is a terrible program. Better himself. Like I've come
to terms with Dion. Sometimes he turned me off, But
the dude is better than himself like the rest of us.
He's imperfect. I'm going too long winded here, but I
(34:38):
find myself with his success in Colorado. I find myself
incredibly attracted to what he's done.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Here's why I love covering him and watching this And
granted again, I went to Colorado. But he's authentic and
he's unapologetically himself. You know, I talk about that a
lot with is actually Greg commissioner at the SEC. He's like,
I'm I am not going to be sorry about our
success and and Dion's that way.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He's not going to apologize because he's Deon Sanders. Everybody
wants a piece. He's not going to apologize that his
son is the best quarterback in college football. He's not
going to apologize that he got the number one recruit
in the country to go to Jackson State and now
is going to go to Colorado and follow him and
probably win the Heisman Trophy in Travis Hunter. He's not
going to apologize for that. And in his mind, it's like,
(35:29):
you get on board. I'm myself and I'm not changing.
That's right, you know, And and that's appealing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
At first I thought the cowboy hat was hokey, but
now I've seen him wear it for two years.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, he loves it. He really does. No, it's fun.
It's it's fun to cover that team. And this is
a microcosm of why this expanded playoff I think is
so good for college football because we can sit here
on a Wednesday, you and I and we can talk
about Colorado. And it's not just because of Dion it's
because Dion and his team are relevant in terms of
the college football playoff race. We have more access to
(36:00):
the college football playoff. We have more teams that are
playing big games in terms of the college football play
Army is playing Notre Dame, and Army has a path
to the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
To the college Notre Dame in my life. Well, if
they do this week, they've got a path to the playoff.
Is that great?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's amazing. I love Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State. You're playing
a game that means something to the college football playoff.
This has been fantastic for the sport and I'm here
for it. I love it every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Thirty two thirty Indiana Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Over Ohio State your college. No, that's just the score,
and you're not saying who wins.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I'm going to bring it out Friday. I think there's
a lot of points, don't. I think there's gonna be
some scoring here.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Maybe. I mean Indiana didn't score much against Michigan, and
if and if Ohio State's offensive line is banged up,
I actually think it could be a lower scoring game
than people think.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Army beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Where'd he go?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
In nineteen fifty eight. O, wow, so I wasn't around.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I was not either.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Nineteen fifty eight. Now navies had some good teams. Yea,
navies had some teams.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
How about army.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That's fantis. It good scene in your class, you too, man,
great to be here. You didn't get sensitive on Dion.
You embraced the challenge sensitive
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Here we go on a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
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Joel Klapp. One hour from now, the latest installment, the
third installment of the college football twelve team Playoff, has out.
He got some strong opinions on that. In about five
or six minutes. The Los Angeles Lakers have perhaps found
(00:48):
their new star. Connecting from three Jmac our show yesterday,
as we are prone to do, made a little news
yesterday happens regularly, so yesterday the playmaker one of the
great receivers of all time, the Troykman, Michael Irvin, Emmett
(01:11):
Smith Dallas Dallas Cowboys. Michael Irvin remains relevant and interesting
so this past weekend he was going to Cowboy games
and he was going to the Jake Paul Tyson fight,
and Michael Irvin also went to the Colorado game. And
there's been a lot of talk, and I think it's
obvious if you're paying attention, that McCarthy's out and they're
(01:33):
looking for a rock star as a head coach. Well,
there's this guy named Dion Sanders, the former Dallas Cowboy
who has bet on himself his entire life Jackson State, Colorado.
As a player, he was bouncing around Falcons to Cowboys
and Niners and a very confident guy. So there's this
feeling that Dion, although Dion said I'm not interested, would
(01:55):
be in line to get the Cowboys job. And Michael
Irvin was at just about that possibility. If Jerry the
cowboy's up there around one, they're gonna get Shador.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
If you want somebody to follow footsteps, you got your door,
you get Dion.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I believe one hundred pluscent.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And I can tell you good sources have told me that.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, Okay, that made news. Now Dion Sanders said, and
I'll quote him, Hey, I'm happy I've got my kickstand down,
you know, what a kickstand is. I'm resting it should
be duly noted that kickstands are always temporary. They're not
down forever. Somebody gets on that bike, and I am convinced.
(02:44):
If Dallas gets the number one pick, and I think
they have a chance to I think they're going to
draft shadeor Sanders and hire Dion Sanders's coach. The funniest
response to this is, well, well, a Dak has a
no trade clause. Yes, so did Russell Wilson. You don't
think Dak would waive that in two seconds if they
drafted Shador Sanders. By the way, Aaron Rodgers March twenty
(03:07):
twenty two, Packers signed him to the biggest annual payment
deal in the league at quarterback. By April of twenty
twenty three, he was a Jet. Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty
nineteen remember him. For about a minute, he was the
highest paid quarterback. Two years later they drafted Trey Lance. Again,
Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Nobody cares be
(03:31):
good now. Jared goffkint a new deal a couple years later,
sent him to Detroit, went and got Matt Stafford. Everything's negotiable.
Everything in life is negotiable, but especially at quarterback. I
mean Dak Prescott. They've been stringing him along for years
before his last contract. Dak Prescott is a grown up.
(03:52):
My favorite part of Dak. He's reasonable, He's a grown up.
He understands the world and the way the game is played.
Here was Dak this summer.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I enjoy being a cowboy one thousand percent. Joy living
in Dallas, joy everything about it. But this is a business.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You think Dak's gonna get special treatment. Russell Wilson didn't,
Aaron Rodgers didn't, and they have trophies. That's the way
the world works. There's other stories out today that Jets
are not going to remain in the Aaron Rodgers business.
So I'll say it again. If Dallas loses the next
two weeks and they're a ten point dog to the
Commanders this week, they will lose. And if they lose
(04:31):
to the New York Giants at home, and doesn't matter
where it's at, Dallas gets hammered at home weekly. I
think they're a front runner for the number one pick
because the Jacksonville's and the Tennessees have to play twice still,
so those guys are gonna win games, like New England's
gonna win games, Cleveland's gonna win games. I'm not sure
Dallas does win another game if they lose on Thanksgiving
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next Thursday to the New York Giants. And to me,
it's the only way to escape the current mess. Hire
a rock star head coach and draft a rock star
quarterback on a rookie deal, because Dallas will probably have
to pay a big chunk of Dak's contract the Broncos
(05:16):
did with Russell Wilson, and Russell can still play and
Dak can still play, but he'll be off his second surgery.
Dak lost his mobility off the first surgery, and he
is not good enough to elevate this roster. They need
a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback, and
as Michael Irvin said yesterday, he has it sourced. They
could get Dion Sanders. I don't know why anybody would,
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oh the no trade clause. People wave stuff in their
contracts all the time. Dak's not gonna sit behind and
be embarrassed on the bench. Cameras on him every thirty seconds.
Dak Prescott backing up the Dallas Cowboys and they'll be
a market for Dak. People may not want to pay
for his contract. But by the way, there will be
(06:00):
no market for Russell Wilson. He's doing pretty well. There's
always a market in a sport where a third of
the teams are dreadful at quarterback. If somebody else is
paying the money, and Dallas will have to pay a
lot of the money, somebody will take Dak. They're not
gonna take Dak in his contract, but they'll take Dak. Okay,
So I thought this was interesting. So yesterday was the
(06:22):
third installment of the college football twelve team playoff. Now
it's gonna change over the course of time, but a
lot of the favorites may not lose again before the
playoffs starting December twentieth. So my favorite the most interesting
part of this. For years and years, cold weather teams
Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan have complained, how come we
(06:43):
always have to play the bowl games down in Sez Territory. Well,
the weather's better. As of this morning, if the playoffs started,
Bama would have to go to Notre Dame, Georgia would
have to play at Penn State, Ole Miss would have
to go to Indiana, and somebody would have to go
to Columbus, Ohio all potentially minus four degrees in windy
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when the playoffs starts December twentieth. No more Miami, New Orleans,
Citrus Bowl, Orlando. It would be the coldest game easily
for any of those SEC athletes. And by the way,
I do not think what I'm about to say as
a coincidence. Do you know the five winningest teams in
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professional football in the last twenty thirty years cold weather
New England cold weather, Baltimore, cold weather, Green Bay, cold weather, Pittsburgh,
cold weather Philly and throwing the Chiefs. You think it's cool.
How come there's no dome teams? How Come there's no
warm weather teams because cold weather teams are fine going
(07:52):
into warmer weather. Go look at Tua, who played high
school football in Hawaii and then went to warm weather SEC.
He is horrible under forty eight degrees. He's zero and
six and that's forty eight degrees. What if it's twelve,
what if it's windy? I mean, Tua is a completely
different quarterback when he plays over forty eight degrees. He's
(08:13):
a pro bowler one hundred passer rating seventy percent completion
under forty eight degrees. He's brought Offsweiler, but for Shorter,
I mean he literally is a backup. So and you say, oh,
it doesn't make that big a deal. I think it's
a five point swing. And by the way, it doesn't
mean Georgia can't go up north and win. I'm not
saying that, but it matters, and it matters a lot
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because when you're older, you've traveled to different regions. But
when you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, you're from a
warm weather area. You haven't necessarily in your off time
or vacation time, gone to Kansas City, Green Bay, Buffalo,
or Baltimore. So I'm not saying an SC team SEC
team couldn't win, but I will say it is in
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my life, it has been an advantage that SEC teams,
and they're very good and deserve all the respect, but
they've often played their bowl games. I mean, I was
looking this morning. Georgia in the last six years has
played three bowls in Atlanta, two in New Orleans, and
two in Miami. You don't think it's a little bit
of an advantage, not having to not having a trail,
(09:17):
having more fans there, the weather under control.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean that that's now Oregon.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I don't worry about because Oregon plays in sloppy, wet weather. Uh,
you know, November fifth on, they'll be fine. They're actually
built for war more cold weather. They get a little both.
But I that kind of jumped out to me Joel
Clatt in one hour, that kind of jumped out to
me that I thought. You know, for years the Big
Ten fans complained about it. In a lot of years,
the SEC just had better players and better teams. But
(09:45):
it's an advantage. You know, people go look at the
history of the LA Chargers, then the San Diego Chargers,
when Dan Fouts and a stack team had to go
play in Cincinnati, Go ask Dan about that. It matters.
Go ask two about playing cold weather. I don't. I
think it's a coincidence that even in pro football the
last twenty thirty years, New England, Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly,
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Kansas City, and by the way, Josh Allen, in about
seven years they're gonna win thirteen games a year. Buffalo
will be in that group. That's the next group to
be in it. J Mack, you know you are a
basketball savant. Jay Mack. You love hoops and you have
been very excited about one Dalton Connect. Well, last night,
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Dalton Connect. This is the kid, the rookie from Tennessee. Now,
he had a very fascinating journey junior college, went to
like a Division two school, then he went to Tennessee.
So he had five years of college basketball. And what
I love about Dalton Connect of the Lakers is that
it wasn't easy. He didn't go like high school G
league pro. He got beat up, he was doubted. People
(10:52):
rolled their eyes. But you and I were watching him
last year in the tournament and we were like, this
dude gets a bucket. Oh yeah, like he is hyper athletic. Well,
Lebron has been saying. Lebron said last year during March Madness,
who's that dude at Tennessee. Well, now he's Lebron's teammate.
He went off last night, and we'll talk about that.
Have the Lakers found their next star? We'll talk about
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that coming up.
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Speaker 1 (11:25):
So one of the things that I've never understood. Is
Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner, demonizing college basketball. I think
it's a great marketing tool. And there's so many NBA
players that you're seeing. There's a little pivot in the
NBA because the new CBA. The NBA has a new CBA.
Trading is harder, Okay, So if you screw up draft picks,
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you're in trouble. So NBA teams, the smart ones, the
Miami Heat did this last year. Jimi Howkkez junior from
UCLA four years ready to play. You don't get some
immature g leaguer. You have to babysit in. They went
and got UCLA's best player four years of college. Dude,
(12:09):
is a bucket first day in the league. Look at
the Lakers. Austin Reeves four years of college, ready to play.
Dalton connect actually five years of college. Last night thirty
seven points, rookie record ties at nine threes. Unbelievable, and
Lebron loves him. Why because Lebron didn't like the Lonzol ball.
(12:30):
He didn't like the immature guys. He's not a babysitter.
Lebron wants you to be able to play. He's got
things he's trying to attain get out of his way
unless you can come in and play. And we saw
this last season again with a Miami Heat jimehw kez Junior,
ready to play, Zach Edy four years at Purdue, ready
(12:51):
to play. Maturity is undervalued. The new CBA is going
to make trades harder. That's why we have a term
Villanova guy. Because Jay Wright demanded you play defense. You
stayed in school, you had to go to class, you
had to grow up, you had to play well with
others on campus. The G League does not create all
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these stars. Derek White of the Celtics is another guy.
Had to go D two, then he transferred to Boulder,
then he has to go to a couple different NBA teams.
He's okay being a four or a five. He's a
great He's one of the best number fours I can
ever remember in the league. Kind of like a Rick Fox,
where you're like that guy could be a two on
some teams, he's a four or five sometimes on the Celtics.
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Don't babysit and coddle. The NBA does too much of it.
It's always getting this, getting this prospect because he's got
great handles. He's eighteen. You think Lebron and a D
and Jannis want to play with eighteen and nineteen year olds,
They want to play with Dalton connect and Lebron said
after the game, I've been telling you guys for two years,
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this kid's the real deal.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I've said it. I watched him.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched Tennessee a lot.
I did not think he was gonna follow to us.
I thought it would be impossible. I have no idea
how that happened, but very grateful, very happy that he's here.
I knew exactly what was getting when he failed.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
To seventeen Lebron, I knew exactly what I was getting.
I'd watched his game for years. Lakers are only half
a game out of first place. They've won six straight
and again, to me, he's a more talent at Austin Reeves.
Is that you're talking about a kid who spent time.
And ask yourself this. If you went to college and
you're listening to the show and you came out after
two semesters, do you think you were ready for the
(14:42):
workplace or do you think three or four years in
college you were more ready for the workplace. The NBA
is a workplace, and if you're gonna go to really
good team, if you're good. James Wiseman bust three games
in college at Memphis. Scoot Henderson Portland goes to the
g lead. Oh tell what a p player. That guy
is not ready to play. Could have use college this
(15:05):
idea that we demonize college basketball. You get better coaching
on average, you get better training staffs, you get better
travel and the truth is you have to kind of
hang around other college students. It's a real life. Didn't
we all grow up more in that three to four
year period of college than any other time in our life.
You're on your own, first time away from your parents.
(15:25):
You don't have track suit Tony Aau hanging around. You're
in college. The classes are hard, the professors are demanding
Dalton connect, Austin Reeves, Derek Why, Zach Edy, Hi mayhaw
Kes Junior to me with the new CBA, stop demonizing
college basketball. You get I'll take Tom Izzo for three
(15:46):
or four years. Go ask Draymond Green. You know that
the Golden State Warriors team that was so great, Klay Thompson,
Steph Curry stay at school Davidson. You got Draymond Green
stayed in school. You know who didn't James Wiseman. He
couldn't figure out the league. He literally couldn't figure out
the offense. By the way, since they benched di'angelo Russell.
A talented guy, but the knock has always been maturity
(16:08):
and focus. Dalton Connect five years college, Ready to play,
Microwaven Serve, Ready to go one more.
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Speaker 1 (16:27):
Joel Klatt, the voice of college football at Fox's, joining
me as he's prone to do on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What's up, dude, Well, we're doing very very well. So well,
it is a big week, and you know, how do
I state this? We know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We know there are certain brands in college football that
when they have a good coach Ohio State, now Texas,
now Bama, now Georgia now now years Okay, okay, we
know they have better players than everybody, except if they
play one of those other teams.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, the matchup games.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, okay, So let's just say Indiana walks into Columbus
twenty eight to twenty seven upsets them. We can all
blame Ryan Day because that's all we do. But what
you're telling me is because I still have questions about
Penn State. I still do. Maybe I'm wrong. They've beaten
a lot of teams badly, but you lose to Oregon
(17:32):
in Indiana. In my opinion, Indiana then is a top
five team. You lost to the two best teams you faced.
I'm not sure you're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Oh you're saying Ohio State if they lose at home,
so then you would say the same thing about Texas
if they lost A and M, they're not going to
lose d am Well, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, you can make the argument for America's best.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Win is Vandy.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, well they beat Alabama. So but anyway, you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So are we sure that Ohio State in Texas? Let's
start with Ohio State. Are we sure if they lose
the next couple of weeks their playoff teams. I'm not
so sure about Texas. I would be pretty sure about
Ohio State. I still think you might have questions about
Penn State. I think largely the college football world doesn't. Yeah,
they had a lot of blowout wins. They have, and
they've played well since that Ohio State game. And remember
(18:20):
this is a team that for a number of years
has been an elite level team. Speaking of Penn State,
the only losses that they suffer are to Michigan and Ohio.
I just saw USC walk up and down the field
on them, So that's fine.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's fine. So no, I don't think Ohio State would
be in trouble in that regard. I think that there
are much worse resumes behind them. But having said that,
this matchup specifically, I think is fascinating, and it got
more fascinating in the last twenty four hours. The starting
center for Ohio State, who has largely been their best
(18:57):
offensive line.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
They've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They had Simmons, the left tackle, he got hurt, and
now Seth McLaughlin, who is the transfer player from Alabama,
has really solidified their offensive line at the center position.
They rave and rave and rave about him. The reports
are are that that he is done for the year
and was injured in practice yesterday. So that is a
major development for this week and even next week. When
(19:22):
you're talking about facing a Michigan team where their strongest
part of their team is their defensive interior line.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
So I would say, going, you know the two things
about Ohio State. I like great wide receivers, great great
wide receiver. I think their linebackers now have been upgraded
over the last couple of years. I think they run
pretty well, sometimes over over pursued, but I think their
linebackers looked like NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
The safeties, probably the best safety played.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
In the country. Line been a little squishy, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I would agree. That's why I think it was such
a big point of conversation, the way that they beat
Penn State running the football, and they had they had
they had toyed around with the lineup and inserted last
year starting center Carson Hensman in at left guard and
Donovan Jackson, the All American guard, moved out to left tackle.
But now there are going to be major questions about
(20:09):
just who's on the field in front of Will Howard
and those bags. It's it's a huge, huge development and
we'll see what happens kind of moving forward. But that
that is, and in particular this late in the week,
your game plan is in all your practices are in
so when you're trying to get someone one hundred, well
not the audible. He's called all the protections. Yeah, he's
(20:30):
calling all of the offensive line calls and the protections.
And he's been excellent. Again. He's he's an All American Rimington,
you know, possible best center in the country. So to
lose him is a big deal for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay, So I've always I always joke about this with
my wife. I'm like, I don't know how these baseball
players do it. They're on planes, they have like twenty
seven road trips. Yeah, then they go play in the
hot sun. And I'm like, even NBA and hockey guys,
I'm like, I'd be a football just because the travel
schedules these year. These hockey guys are out there having
(21:04):
a good time after the games. It's playing, it's play.
It's three in the ame morning. But I did notice
it this weekend. I'm gonna give Oregon a pass. They
look tired against Wisconsin last week, like eight straight, seven
straight conference games. They looked tired.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So they had to buy early, not early, but in
September that was their first off week. Then this week
is their next off week. So that means that they
played eight consecutive weeks of football, which is just hard.
And guess what, they didn't have that sec you know,
bs like Mercer in the middle of their schedule. They
(21:37):
played eight consecutive weeks of conference play. Nobody in the
country has done that. And do you know that, as
far as schedule makeup goes, that is the only team
in the country that had to do that eight consecutive
weeks of conference play. They're a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Everybody looked like, let's just win and get home.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Meanwhile, you know, I'm gonna I'm also going to give
them a pass for that. They came back and won
the game. It's it's at night. It's a far travel experience.
Wisconsin had been playing better, in particular on the defensive slide.
They still won, right like Tennessee lost to what was
it Arkansas, Ole Miss lost to Kentucky, Fama lost a
(22:14):
Van dam a loss to Vanderbilt. So there's something about
making sure that you get the win. And everybody has
thrown out one stinker. I mean, that's just that's just
the case. Look at Georgia didn't play well against Kentucky.
You know, they've taken a couple of losses. Notre Dame
got beat by Northern Illinois. So there's something to be
said for a great team that is tired. They've played
eight consecutive weeks, no off week, all in conference play.
(22:38):
They travel out to Madison and it's at night, and
you get in a dog fight and you're down in
the fourth quarter and they still won.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Act.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I actually believe that it says more about Oregon than less. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
My takeaway was, Oh, it's these are And I'm sitting
googling their schedule. I'm like, yeah, these are like you're
talking nineteen year old kids. They still have class, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Like they look tired, and now they've qualified for the
Big Championship game. Yeah, so they're in ye. And to
be honest with you, with the way that they've played,
with their win over Ohio State, I think that they're
just into the playoff. Like, let's let's just say, sake
of argument, Washington beats them and they still go to
the Big Ten champions They beat Ohio State. So to me,
(23:18):
we have one team that's in Oregon is in the playoff.
They're in the Big Ten Championship game, and and I
firmly believe that they're going to play well in all
of them.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So let's show the top. If we do have this,
the twelve team playoff. The only thing I took from it,
it's not complete, but I did think it's interesting. Is
all these SEC teams Alabama has to go play in
cold weather. Georgia plays Penn State and coldwell all miss Indiana.
That will be the coldest game by twenty degrees any
of those SEC players have ever played in. And all
you have to do is look at Tua, who played
(23:50):
high school in Hawaii SEC football under forty eight degrees.
He is a clipboard holder. It matters, it does. Two
is great.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It matters, it does, and I will I will tell
you this, like I do believe that there's going to
be a ten and two SEC team left out of
the playoff, like so for example, and these are this
is all going to change, right, Like do I do
I think that that Boise is going to get a buy?
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And and is Indiana,
you know, gonna remain at seven? I'm not sure. What
(24:18):
I do know, though, is that there's too many teams
in the SEC that can finish ten and two, and
likely one of them is going to get left out
at this point, it would be Tennessee because they're not
in the twelve team playoffs. So if you're a Tennessee fan,
and I know this is going to sound crazy, you
got to root for Florida this week against Ole Miss.
You got to root for Army against Notre Dame. And
I'd be rooting for Texas against Texas A and M
(24:38):
because the last thing you would want if you're Tennessee
or Ole Miss or get an A and M ten
and two with a win over Texas. So so those
are the games that those teams are rooting for. And
then one more point on this bracket right here is
Bama is sitting there right now at that nine seed.
They would go to Notre Dame. The nine seed is
(24:59):
the worst seed to get in this bracket. Let me explain.
You could say that the lower seeds are also worse,
but the nine seed has to go on the road
in the first round. You don't want to do that.
So any of the bottom four seeds you don't want,
but the nine seeds specifically, because even if you can
win a game on the road in the playoff, you
have to face the number one team in the country
(25:20):
the following in the following game in the quarterfinals, and
this iteration, it would be an Oregon or a Big
Ten champ or an SEC champ. Then and watch this
here in the semis, you would likely face the five
seed because the loser of the Big Ten championship or
the SEC championship is going to get the five seed.
When you get the five seed, you host twelve and
(25:40):
then you go play the four. Remember the four seed
is just a high ranked conference champ. In this case,
it would be Boise, it could be BYU, it could
be Colorado. That's not a game that's going to scare
the five seed, which means that the nine seed, Alabama
in this case, would have to play on the road
against Notre Dame, then Oregon, then Ohio State before going
(26:01):
to a national championship. The toughest road in the playoff,
and this iteration and the way that they've constructed it
is the nine seed that's the one you've got to avoid.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So you did the Colorado win over Utah, yeah last week.
So first of all, I think Colorado should be in
the playoff rooting for him, because I think they're going
to win the Big Twelve. And I also think I
think it's hard to blow out Utah. They're generally when
they lose, they lose close generally. But I think it's
a good story. I think Dion's fascinating. I think Shador
Sanders and Travis Hunter I think for me college football,
(26:33):
I would love to see Dion in the tournament. Whether
they I think they can win a game. I think
if you have the best two players in college football,
you can win a game of the tournament. Did they
look like a playoff team to you?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
They are very inconsistent in game, but at their best
they're certainly the big best team in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And so yes, low ceiling, high floor. Yes, And that
happened against Utah their floor high seedling floor.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
High ceiling. And here's the thing about Colorado's they didn't
even play great offensively. There was some sluggish moments in
that game, in particular in the first and early second quarter,
and they still scored forty two offensive points forty nine overall.
One was a pump return touchdown, but forty two points.
Utah's defense was healthy. Utah's defense is the number one
defense in the Big Twelve, just like you were talking about,
(27:20):
teams don't do this to Utah. The forty nine points
put up against this Utah team was the most that
Kyle Whittingham's team has given up since twenty fourteen. Guess
who did that? Mariota's Oregon team. Like, only great offenses
do this to Utah, and it doesn't matter what conference
they're in or who they're playing, coach, and Colorado didn't
(27:40):
even play great for about a quarter and a half
and still did that. I'm telling you, at the top end,
Colorado is dangerous. And the other thing that makes them
dangerous is their defensive line. If you look at the
second half of the season, this defensive line is one
of the best teams in the country, forcing pressure and
getting to the quarterback. They stopped the run. If there
was one thing that you could you Tah could do,
it'd be run the football with Mackai Bernard. That their
(28:03):
big offensive line, their physical offensive line. They couldn't do
any of that against Colorado. So to answer your question,
Colorado is absolutely right now the best team of the
Big twelve. Now, can they beat Kansas this week on
the road? We'll see, We'll see, But I would love
to see them in the playoff. I think that that
would create an insane amount of interest in that playoff. Okay, now,
this next question is going to make you a bit uncomfortable.
(28:25):
And you go on a lot of shows with cream
puff hosts. That's not how that's no, no, this is
big Jay journalism right here, folks, I don't know if
you've been told. I'm here to tell you sometimes I
have to remind my audience of that. But needless to say,
Cowboys lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving. Ooh, I know
where you're going.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Number one pick, potentially take shaduur hmm. Let's be honest,
Jerry loves charisma.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Let me ask you though, like, would they move can
they move off of Dak's cotton?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, Dak has a no trade clause, he'd wave it
in a second. If they drafted a quarterback. I mean,
Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Okay, he ended
up with the Steelers. Aaron Rodgers was the highest paid
quarterback in like March of twenty twenty two. By April
twenty twenty three, was a jet like teams move off,
people wave stuff. All right, I'm just saying that was
just my biggest question about the whole thing. So, Dion
Sanders leaving Colorado, if he did resentment, thank you, how
(29:19):
would he be viewed do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You think, Oh no, it would be with love? I
mean this was a dead program. Oh no question, Yeah
it was. And I played there and that's that's what
I'm telling you. I told that to the athletic director
during the process. He didn't want to hear it, but
(29:41):
I was like, hey, this is this is the worst
team in the Power five. So even if Dion were
to leave, he would be viewed with the utmost amount
of love. Okay, I believe Now. I don't know if
he's going to I asked him point blank last week
on Friday, do you want to go to the NFL?
(30:02):
He said no, And he said, my purpose is to
be a coach, but it is more so to mentor
young men. And I don't believe I could do that
as my calling and my purpose at the NFL level,
that I can like I can do that at the
college life.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
He has great religious conviction. He has said that before,
and I believe him there. I think that is. I
do think he is he lives a purpose filled life.
I do believe that. And I think you know, a
lot of people say a lot of things. A lot
of coaches say a lot of things. Can I just
add to that real quick?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah. So we had a long discussion on Friday about
Warren Sap.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Who did you? And Dion?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yes, and Gus and Ginny. So this is our production
meeting on Friday before last week's game, and Gus started
asking him about Warren Sapp because Warren Sap, if you
don't know, is a defensive line assistant, so he's not
even the full time defensive line coach. And Dion said
something that was profound and absolutely act, and he said
(31:02):
the only issue with Warren was that he didn't have
a purpose after he got done playing. We gave him
that purpose. And then you see Warren on the sideline
and his eyes are big, and he's got the headset
on and he's in it, man, with those kids, And
that is something very profound for any of us who
have played, you know, athletics at a decently high level,
(31:23):
and certainly some of these guys that have gold jackets
and all of a sudden, when the music stops and
that merrygo Round stops and you're not Warren Sapped the
defensive tackle or Deon Sanders the two sports star. You've
got to find something in your life and some calling
in some purpose. Dion found that as a coach, and
he's a damn good coach. Look at what he's done
(31:44):
at Colorado and when he Jackson State and Jackson State.
And so when he saw that in Warren, an old friend,
and he said like, no, no, no, Warren is going to
be fine. All you think is is some risky higher No, no, no,
he just needs purpose and calling and he's found that.
So I say that story only to just give you
a little bit more background on how big Dion is
(32:06):
about purpose and calling and how much that runs and
drives the decisions that he makes.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, I know when I stopped slinging that letter I
needed is that?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Was that it? And you thought I'm gonna talk about sports,
I'm gonna theorize, right, what the hell you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah? No, it's you know, the whole Dion thing. I
always thought there was a lot, isn't it fun? Well,
you know I've learned this. You know, we tend to
judge people on floors and not ceilings. Elon Musk has
bad days. But his ceiling is incredible. Dion hasn't been
perfect dumping water on a broadcast, you know, some charism
(32:49):
and ego, but I think America is founded on it's
okay if you screw up, we got your back. Nobody's perfect.
And what what I talked. I remember years ago, years ago.
This's a boring story, but years and years ago, I
was in Mexico and my daughter was one or two
years old, and I'm in the pool and there's this
kind of good looking older man with silver hair, and
(33:11):
he just looked like and he looked like a movie
star from France. And I talked to everybody and he
was a he was a doctor in Beverly Hills and
he was from I think he was from like Saudi Arabia,
somewhere a Middle East. And I asked him, you know,
I said, do you what is it about America? And
he said, you Americans, you don't understand. He goes, I
(33:35):
could have gone anywhere he was. Obviously he looked like
he had money, like he just looked, you know, And
he goes, It's the greatest place in the world. If
you have an idea or a skill, it's forgiving. They'll
help you chase your dreams. And he goes. It's not
as judgmental as other places he goes. You know, America
(33:55):
is he goes. I'm always reminding my other doctors the
grass isn't greener. I grew up in the other places,
and it leads me back. And I've always thought about
that is whenever the media gets a little too anti
this and they stop complaining about everything. Dion's journey is redeemable,
(34:15):
even as a pro athlete. Remember this Atlanta. Now I'm
gonna go San Francisco, Dallas. He was the first bounce
around superstar Jackson State. Better than himself. Oh he's good.
Colorado is a terrible program. Better himself. Like I've come
to terms with Dion. Sometimes he turned me off, But
the dude is better than himself like the rest of us.
He's imperfect. I'm going too long winded here, but I
(34:38):
find myself with his success in Colorado. I find myself
incredibly attracted to what he's done.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Here's why I love covering him and watching this And
granted again, I went to Colorado. But he's authentic and
he's unapologetically himself. You know, I talk about that a
lot with is actually Greg commissioner at the SEC. He's like,
I'm I am not going to be sorry about our
success and and Dion's that way.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He's not going to apologize because he's Deon Sanders. Everybody
wants a piece. He's not going to apologize that his
son is the best quarterback in college football. He's not
going to apologize that he got the number one recruit
in the country to go to Jackson State and now
is going to go to Colorado and follow him and
probably win the Heisman Trophy in Travis Hunter. He's not
going to apologize for that. And in his mind, it's like,
(35:29):
you get on board. I'm myself and I'm not changing.
That's right, you know, And and that's appealing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
At first I thought the cowboy hat was hokey, but
now I've seen him wear it for two years.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, he loves it. He really does. No, it's fun.
It's it's fun to cover that team. And this is
a microcosm of why this expanded playoff I think is
so good for college football because we can sit here
on a Wednesday, you and I and we can talk
about Colorado. And it's not just because of Dion it's
because Dion and his team are relevant in terms of
the college football playoff race. We have more access to
(36:00):
the college football playoff. We have more teams that are
playing big games in terms of the college football play
Army is playing Notre Dame, and Army has a path
to the.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
To the college Notre Dame in my life. Well, if
they do this week, they've got a path to the playoff.
Is that great?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's amazing. I love Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State. You're playing
a game that means something to the college football playoff.
This has been fantastic for the sport and I'm here
for it. I love it every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Thirty two thirty Indiana Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Over Ohio State your college. No, that's just the score,
and you're not saying who wins.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I'm going to bring it out Friday. I think there's
a lot of points, don't. I think there's gonna be
some scoring here.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Maybe. I mean Indiana didn't score much against Michigan, and
if and if Ohio State's offensive line is banged up,
I actually think it could be a lower scoring game
than people think.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Army beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Where'd he go?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
In nineteen fifty eight. O, wow, so I wasn't around.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
I was not either.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Nineteen fifty eight. Now navies had some good teams. Yea,
navies had some teams.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
How about army.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That's fantis. It good scene in your class, you too, man,
great to be here. You didn't get sensitive on Dion.
You embraced the challenge sensitive
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