November 20, 2024 • 41 mins
The Lakers may be slowly putting something good together
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to talk this weekend's huge match up between #5 Indiana taking on #2 Ohio State
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ah, here we go, our two live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Lakers have one six straight, Dodgers won
the World Series. We don't get tired of winning around here.
You know, I was just talking with Jmac. Everybody thought
JJ Reddick, he's arrogant. Well, sometimes people who are arrogant
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are smarter. Elon Musk is a little a little much well,
Tesla Kpal, SpaceX, Starlink, Twitter, Elon smarter than the media
the question. And I know that's hard for the Washington
Post reporters handle. But Elon's a little smarter than you
believe it or not than a Rando newspaper guy. So
I mean, it's like JJ Reddick got all this heat.
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If you've watched the Lakers play, he's got an absolute identity.
He immediately identified Anthony Davis is the center of this team.
Darvin Ham didn't do that. I mean, you never knew
was it Lebron's team or a D's team. Day one,
JJ Reddick said this, this is this is AD's team.
So he got buy in from Lebron. Lebron can be
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the number one guy in moments, but on most nights
they're looking to get Ad rolling early in the game.
Dalton connect. I guarantee you JJ Reddick liked that pick.
So Austin Reeves, You've got, really You've got college guys
who have been around four and five years in college.
You are easily seeing right now, you are seeing the
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Lakers look like something. And from the first game with
Anthony Davis, you're like, okay, they have passed the baton.
Darvin Ham was a defensive coach. Didn't have a lot
of offensive moxie or understanding or conceptual like excellence on
that stuff. I thought he was a nice guy. I
thought everybody banged down in LA was fine. But when
you watch JJ Reddick, it's like watching in the NFL,
when you watch an Andy Reid or Sean Payton team,
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you can see the excellence. You can see how smart
Sean Payton is with play calling and play design. Sometimes
you watch Josh Allen, You're like, is he just kind
of making it up as he goes? Is he just
putting on a Superman cape? Or is it coaching? When
I watch bow Knicks, I see coaching. When I see
Ice Kansas City, Mahomes is great, but I see the coaching.
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That's what I've said about Philadelphia. I don't see the
coaching in Philly. I see great players. But JJ Reddick,
this thing looks like something. It's a real thing, a living,
breathing coaching job, and they're fun to watch. They're only
a half game out of first place. Now, again, it's
early in the season. Lebron's older ad who's been healthy
last couple of years. Let's see how they age. But
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if Dalton connect is the third best player and then
Austin Reeves becomes a four, this has been big argument.
If Austin Reeves is your one, you're not a playoff team.
If he's your two, you're probably not a playoff team.
But maybe if he's a three, you're a playoff team.
If Austin Reeves becomes your four, that is a playoff
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team that can win multiple series. I've said this about
Derek White to the Celtics. If Derek White's a one
on your team, you're not a playoff team. If he's
a two, maybe you're a play in team. If he's
a three, you're a playoff team. If he's a four,
you can win a title. I mean, go go back
to the Splash Brothers. It was Steph was the best
player pre k D. Second best player all in was
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Draymond his catalyst, his defense. Your third best player was
Clay Thompson. Okay, you're you're a championship team. Then when
you put KD and then Clays your four, Okay, then
you're an all time great team. You go to the
Scottie Pippen MJ. Bowles and you're like Tony kukoach is
a three or a four. Rodman's a four. That's one
of the great teams of all time. And so if
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Dalton connect is a three and can give you seventeen
to eighteen a game, and now Austin Reeves is your
fourth best player, that's a real basketball team. That's a
real pro basketball team. And nothing we're spitting takes today.
We're spitting takes. Uh. Joel Klatt, the voice of college
football at Fox is joining me is he's prone to
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do on Wednesday? What's up, dude? Well, we're doing very
very well. Well, it is a big week, and you know,
how do I state this? We know? I don't know.
We know there are certain brands in college football that
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when they have a good coach Ohio State, now Texas,
now Bama, now Georgia now Okay, okay, we know they
have better players than everybody, except if they play one
of those other teams. Yeah, the matchup games. Yeah, okay.
So let's just say Indiana walks into Columbus twenty eight
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to twenty seven, upsets them. We can all blame Ryan
Day because that's all we do. But what you're telling
me is because I still have questions about Penn State.
I still do. Maybe I'm wrong. They've beaten a lot
of teams badly, but you lose to Oregon in Indiana.
In my opinion, Indiana then is a top five team.
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You lost to the two best teams you faced. I'm
not sure you're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh, you're saying Ohio State if they lose at home,
So then you would say the same thing about Texas
if they lost A and M. They're not going to
lose d A in m Well, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay, you can make the argument for America. Texas's best
win is Vandy. Okay, well they beat Alabama, so but anyway,
you're right. I'll give you that one. So are we
sure that Ohio State and Texas? Let's start with Ohio State?
Are we sure if they lose the next couple of
weeks their playoff teams. I'm not so sure about Texas.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I would be pretty sure about Ohios. I still think
you might have questions about Penn State. I think largely
the college football world doesn't. Yeah, they had a lot
of blowout wins. They have, and they've played well since
that Ohio State game. And remember this is a team
that for a number of years has been an elite
level team. Speaking of Penn State, the only losses that
they suffer are to Michigan and Ohio.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I just saw USC walk up and down the field
on them.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So that's fine, that's fine. So no, I don't think
Ohio State would be in trouble in that regard. I
think that there are much worse resumes, you know, behind them.
But having said that, this matchup specifically, I think is fascinating,
and it got more fascinating in the last twenty four hours.
The starting center for Ohio State, who has largely been
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their best offensive line.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They had Simmons the left tackle, he got hurt, and
now Seth McLaughlin, who is the transfer player from Alabama,
has really solidified their offensive line at the center position.
They ra rave and rave about him. The reports are
are that that he is done for the year and
was injured in practice yesterday. So that is a major
development for this week and even next week when you're
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talking about facing a Michigan team where their strongest part
of their team is their defensive interior line.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So I would say, going, you know the two things
about Ohio State. I like great wide receivers, great great
wide receiver. I think their linebackers now have been upgraded
over the last couple years. I think they run pretty well,
sometimes over over pursued, but I think their linebackers look
like NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
The safeties, probably the best safety played in the country.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Line been a little squishy, yeah, and I would agree.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's why I think it was such a big point
of conversation the way that they beat Penn State running
the football, and they had they had they had toyed
around with the lineup and inserted last year starting center
Carson Hensman in at left guard. Yeah, and Donovan Jackson,
the All American guard, moved out to left tackle. But
now there are going to be major questions about just
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who on the field in front of Will Howard and
as bad. It's it's a huge, huge development and we'll
see what happens kind of moving forward. But that that is,
and in particular this late in the week, your game
plan is in, all your practices are in, so when
you're trying to get someone one hundred for well, not
the audible.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He's called all the protections.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, he's calling all of the offensive line calls and
the protections and he's been excellent. Again he's he's an
All American Rimington, you know, possible best center in the country.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So to lose him is a big deal for Ohio State. Okay,
So I've always I always joke about this with my wife.
I'm like, I don't know how these baseball players do it.
They're on planes, they have like twenty seven road trips. Yeah,
then they go play in the hot sun and I'm
like even NBA and hockey guys, I'm like, I'd be
a football guy just because the travel schedules ease year.
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These hockey guys are out there having a good time
after the games. It's playing, it's play, it's three in
the morning. But I did notice it this weekend. I'm
gonna give all going to pass. They looked tired against
Wisconsin last week, like eight seven straight conference games. They
looked tired.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So they had to buy early, not early, but in
September that was their first off week. Then this week
is their next off week. So that means that they
played eight consecutive weeks of football, which is just hard.
And guess what, they didn't have that sec you know,
bs like Mercer in the middle of their schedule. They
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played eight consecutive weeks of conference play. Nobody in the
country has done that. And do you know that, as
far as schedule makeup goes, that is the only team
in the country that had to do that eight consecutive
weeks of conference play.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The lot everybody looked like, let's just win and get home.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Meanwhile, you know, I'm gonna I'm also going to give
them a pass for that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They came back and won the game.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's it's at night, it's it's a far travel experience.
Wisconsin had been playing better, in particular on the defensive slide.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They still won. Right Like, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Lost to what was it Arkansas, Ole Miss lost to Kentucky,
Fama lost to Van Damn a loss to Vanderbilt. So
there's something about making sure that you get the win.
And everybody has thrown out one stinker. I mean, that's
just that's just okay. Look at Georgia didn't play well
against Kentucky. They you know, they've taken a couple of losses.
Notre Dame got beat by Northern Illinois. So there's something
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to be said for a great team that is tired.
They've played eight consecutive weeks, no no off week, all
in conference play. They travel out to Madison and it's
at night, and you get in a dog fight and
you're down in the fourth quarter and they still won.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Act I actually believe that it says more about Oregon
than less.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
My takeaway was, Oh, it's these are and I'm sitting
googling their schedule, I'm like, yeah, these are like you're
talking nineteen year old kids. They still have class, you
know what I mean, Like they look tired.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And now they've qualified for the Big Ten Championship camp. Yeah,
so they're in.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And and to be honest with you, with the way
that they've played with their winover Ohio State, I think
that they're just into the playoff. Like, let's let's just say,
sake of argument, Washington beats them and they still go
to the Big Ten champions baybed Ohio State. There's so
to me, we have one team that's in Oregon is
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in the playoff, they're in the Big Ten Championship game,
and and I firmly believe that they're gonna play well
in all of them.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So let's show the top if we do have this,
the twelve team playoff. The only thing I took from it,
it's not complete, but I did think it's interesting is
all these SEC teams. Alabama has to go play in
cold weather Georgia plays Penn State and coldwell all Miss Indiana.
That will be the coldest game by twenty degrees any
of those SEC players have ever played in. And all
you have to do is look at Tua, who played
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high school in Hawaii SEC football under forty eight degrees.
He is a clipboard holder. It matters, it does. Hit
two is great.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It matters, it does, and I will I will tell
you this, like I do believe that there's going to
be a ten and two SEC team left out of
the playoff, like so for example and these this is
all gonna change, right Like do I do I think
that that Boise is going to get a buy?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And is Indiana, you know, gonna remain at seven? I'm
not sure. What I do know, though, is that there's
too many teams in the SEC that can finish ten
and two, and likely one of them is going to
get left out at this point. It would be Tennessee
because they're not in the twelve team playoffs. So if
you're a Tennessee fan, and I know this is going
to sound crazy, you got to root for Florida this
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week against Ole Miss. You got to root for Army
against Notre Dame. And I'd be rooting for Texas against
Texas A and M because the last thing you would
want if you're Tennessee or ole Miss, or give an
A and M ten and two with a win over Texas.
So those are the games that those teams are rooting for.
And then one more point on this bracket right here
is Bama is sitting there right now at that nine seed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They would go to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The nine seed is the worst seed to get in
this break bracket. Let me explain. You could say that
the lower seeds are also worse, but the nine seed
has to go on the road in the first You
don't want to do that. So any of the bottom
four seeds you don't want, but the nine seeds specifically,
because even if you can win a game on the
road in the playoff, you have to face the number
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one team in the country the following in the following
game in the quarterfinals, and this iteration, it would be
an Oregon or a Big Ten champ or an SEC champ.
Then and watch this here in the semis, you would
likely face the five seed because the loser of the
Big Ten championship or the SEC championship is going to
get the five seed. When you get the five seed,
you host twelve, and then you go play the four.
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Remember the four seed is just a high ranked conference champ.
In this case, it would be Boise, it could be BYU,
it could be Colorado. That's not a game that's going
to scare the five seed, which means that the nine seed,
Alabama in this case, would have to play on the
road against Notre Dame, then Oregon, then Ohio State before
going to a national championship. The toughest road in the playoff,
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and this iteration and the way that they've constructed it
is the nine seed that's the one you've got to avoid.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So you did the Colorado win over Utah, yeah, last week?
So first of all, I think Colorado should be in
the playoff rooting for him because I think they're going
to win the Big twelve. And I also think I
think it's hard to blow out Utah. They're generally when
they lose, they lose close generally. But I think it's
a good story. I think Dion's fascinating. I think Shador
Sanders and Travis Hunter I think for me college football,
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I would love to see Dion in the tournament. Whether
they I think they could win a game. I think
if you have the best two players in college football,
you can win the game of the tournament. Did they
look like a playoff team to you?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They are very inconsistent in game, but at their best.
They're certainly the big best team in the Big twelve,
and so yes, low ceiling, high floor. Yes, And that
happened against Utah their floor, high seating, floor, high ceiling.
And here's the thing about Colorado's they didn't even play
great offensively. There were some sluggish moments in that game,
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in particular in the first and early second quarter, and
they still scored forty two often points forty nine overall.
One was a pump return touchdown, but forty two points.
Utah's defense was healthy. Utah's defense is the number one
defense in the Big Twelve. Just like you were talking about,
teams don't do this to Utah. The forty nine points
put up against this Utah team was the most that
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Kyle Whittingham's team has given up since twenty fourteen. Guess
who did that? Mariota's Oregon team. Like, only great offenses
do this to Utah, and it doesn't matter what conference
they're in or who they're playing, coach, and Colorado didn't
even play great for about a quarter and a half
and still did that. I'm telling you, at the top end,
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Colorado is dangerous. And the other thing that makes them
dangerous is their defensive line. If you look at the
second half of the season, this defensive line is one
of the best teams in the country, forcing pressure and
getting to the quarterback. They stopped the run. If there
was one thing that Utah could do, it'd be run
the football with Mackai Bernard, their big offensive line, their
physical offensive line. They couldn't do any of that against Colorado.
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So to answer your question, Dollarado is absolutely right now
the best team of the Big twelve. Now, can they
beat Kansas this week on the road? We'll see, We'll see.
But I would love to see them in the playoff.
I think that that would create an insane amount of
interest in that playoff.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Okay, now, this next question is going to make you
a bit uncomfortable. Oh, and you go on a lot
of shows with cream puff hosts. That's not how that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No, No, that's this is big Jay journalism right here, folks.
I don't know if you've been told. I'm here to
tell you. Sometimes I have to remind my audience of that.
But needless to say, Cowboys lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Ooh, I know where you're going. Number one pick, potentially
take Shaduur. Hmmm, let's be honest, Jerry loves charisma.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Let me ask you though, like, would they move can
they move off of Dak's cotton?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So well, Dak has a no trade clause, he'd wave
it in a second. If they drafted a quarterback. I
mean Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Okay, he
ended up with the Steelers. Aaron Rodgers was the highest
paid quarterback in like March to twenty twenty two. By
April of twenty twenty three. Was a jet like teams
move off, people wave stuff. All right, I'm just saying
that was just my biggest question about the whole thing.
So Dion Sanders leaving Colorado, if he did resentment, thank you,
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how would he be viewed do you think, oh no,
it would be.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
With love.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean this was a dead program. Oh no, question,
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I played there, and that's what That's what I'm
telling you. I told that to the athletic director during
the process. He didn't want to hear it, but I
was like, hey, this is this is the worst team
in the Power five. So even if Dion were to leave,
he would be viewed with the utmost amount of love.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, I believe.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now, I don't know if he's going to I asked
him point blank last week on Friday, do you want
to go to the NFL? He said no, And he said,
my purpose is to be a coach, but it is
more so to mentor young men. And I don't believe
I could do that as my calling and my purpose
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at the NFL level, that I can, like I can
do that at the college life.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Now, he has great religious conviction. He has said that before,
and I believe him there. I think that is. I
do think he is. He lives a purpose filled life.
I do believe that, and I think you know, a
lot of people say a lot of things. A lot
of coaches say a lot of things. Can I just
add to that real quick?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So we had a long discussion on Friday about Warren Sap.
Who did you? And Dion? Yes, and Gus and Ginny.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So this is our production meeting on Friday before last
week's game, and Gus started asking him about Warren Sapp
because Warren Sap, if you don't know, is a defensive
line assistant. So he's not even the full time defensive
line coach. And Dion said something that was profound and
absolutely accurate, and he said the only issue with Warren
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was that he didn't have a purpose after he got
done playing. We gave him that purpose. And then you
see Warren on the sideline and his eyes are big,
and he's got the headset on and he's in it, man,
with those kids. And that is something very profound for
any of us who have played, you know, athletics at
a decently high level, and certainly some of these guys
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that have gold jackets and all of a sudden, when
the music stops and that Merry Go Round stops and
you're not Warren Sapped the defensive tackle or Deon Sanders,
the two sports star. You've got to find something in
your life and some calling in some purpose. Dion found
that as a coach, and he's a damn good coach.
Look at what he's done at Colorado and when Jackson
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State and Jackson State. And so when he saw that
in Warren, an old friend and he said, like, no, no, no,
Warren is going to be fine. All you think is
is some risky higher No, no, no, he just needs
purpose and calling and he's found that. So I say
that story only to just give you a little bit
more background on how big Dion is about purpose and
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calling and how much that run and drives the decisions
that he makes.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, I know when I stopped slinging that letter I
needed is that? Was that it?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And you thought I'm gonna talk about sports, I'm gonna theorize, right, what.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The hell you're talking about? Yeah? No, it's you know,
the whole Dion thing. I always thought there was a lot,
isn't it fun? Well, you know I've learned this. You know,
we tend to judge people on floors and not ceilings.
Elon Musk has bad days, but his ceiling is incredible.
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Dion hasn't been perfect dumping water on a broadcast. You know,
some charism and ego, but I think America is founded
on it's okay if you screw up, we got your back.
Nobody's perfect. And what what I talked? I remember years
and years ago. It's a boring story, but years and
years ago, I was in Mexico and my daughter was
one or two years old, and I'm in a pool
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and there's this kind of good looking older man, was
silver hair, and he just looked like and he looked
like a movie star from France, and I talked to everybody,
and he was a he was a doctor in Beverly
Hills and he was from I think he was from
like Saani, Arabia, somewhere a Middle East. And I asked him,
you know, I said, do you what is it about America?
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And he said, you Americans, you don't understand. He goes,
I could have gone anywhere he was. Obviously he looked
like he had money, like he just looked, you know,
And he goes, It's the greatest place in the world.
If you have an idea or a skill, it's forgiving.
They'll help you chase your dreams. And he goes. It's
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not as judgmental as other places. He goes, you know,
America is, he goes. I'm always reminding my other doctors.
The grass isn't greener. I grew up in the other places,
and it leads me back. And I've always thought about
that is whenever the media gets a little too anti
this and that, stop come planning about everything. Dion's journey
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is redeemable. Even as a pro athlete, Remember this Atlanta.
Now I'm gonna go San Francisco, Dallas. He was a
first bounce around superstar Jackson State. Better himself. Oh he's good.
Colorado is a terrible program. Better himself. Like like I've
come to terms with Dion. Sometimes he turned me off.
But the dude is better than himself like the rest
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of us. He's imperfect. I'm going too long winded here,
but I find myself with his success in Colorado. I
find myself incredibly attracted to what he's done.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I here's why I love covering him and watching this
And granted again, I went to Colorado. But he's authentic
and he's unapologetically himself.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I talk about that a lot with is actually Greg Senki,
commissioner at the SEC. He's like, I'm I am not
going to be sorry about our success, and and Dion's
that way.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He's not going to apologize because he's Deon Sanders. Everybody
wants a piece. He's not going to apologize that his
son is the best quarterback in college football. He's not
going to apologize that he got the number one recruit
in the country to go to Jackson State and now
is going to go to Colorado and follow him and
probably win the Heisman Trophy. In Travis Hunter. He's not
going to apologize for that. And in his mind, it's like,
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you get on board. I'm myself and I'm not changing.
That's right, you know, And and that's appealing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
At first I thought the cowboy hat was hokey, but
now I've seen him wear it for two years.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, he loves it, he really does.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
No, it's fun. It's it's fun to cover that team.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And this is a microcosm of why this expanded playoff
I think is so good for college football because we
can sit here on a Wednesday, you and I and
we can talk about Colorado. And it's not just because
of Dion. It's because Dion and his team are relevant
in terms of the college football playoff race. We have
more access to the college football playoff. We have more
teams that are playing big games in terms of the
college football Army is playing Notre Dame and Army has
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a path to the to the College Dame in my life. Well,
if they do this week, they've got a path to
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Is that great? It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I love Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State. You're playing a game
that means something to the college football playoff. This has
been fantastic for the sport, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I love it, every minute of it. Thirty two thirty
Indiana Ohio State over Ohio State. You're side of your colleges. No,
that's just the score, and you're not saying who wins.
I'm going to bring it out Friday. I think there's
a lot of points. I think there's gonna be some
scoring here. Maybe.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean Indiana didn't score much against Michigan, and if
and if Ohio State's offensive line is banged up, I
actually think it could be a lower scoring game than
people think.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Army beat Notre Dame. Where do you go in nineteen
fifty eight? O? Wow, So I wasn't around. I was
not either nineteen fifty eight. Now, Navies had some good teams. Yea,
Navy's had some teams. How about Army. That's fantastic. Good
senior class, you too, man, great to be here. You
didn't get sensitive on Dion. You embraced the challenge.
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Speaker 1 (25:21):
So there is a report that the Jets will seek
a new quarterback. According to Connor Hughes, a reporter for
SNY in New York, the organization has moved off their
head coach, they have demoted their offensive coordinator, they have
moved off now they're general manager. So these are the
Jets departure since Aaron Rodgers arrived. Tony Soprano didn't lead
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that type of wake in New York. So it's not pretty,
but it's a week quarterback class collegiately. So it's cam Ward,
who I to me is not a top ten pick,
but I think he'll get picked there. And Shador Sanders,
I think should be the number one pick. Remember, I
think Aaron has Jamack and I argued about this. If
you go to the last three years, last year, Kirk Cousins,
(26:08):
Donald and Russell Wilson, we're all in the market, a
couple of them really expensive. Two years ago, Derek Carr,
Jimmy Garoppolo, Aaron Rodgers were on the market. Three years ago,
Baker Mayfield, Matt Ryan were on the market. So this
offseason we know Sam Darnald, they'll probably move off Sam Darnald.
If I had to choose between Donald and Aaron. I
(26:29):
would choose Donald because he's younger. I think he's more coachable.
I think he's better in the room, and I think
he's in his athletic prime. He's twenty seven years old.
You know, I don't want to pick on Aaron. I
do think he can be a bit prickly and needy.
I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuild.
He said that, and I also think, frankly, he's gotten
a bit expensive and he's not winning very much. That's
(26:50):
really the key. Donald's winning, Aaron's not. That's very attractive.
Say what you want about Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins wins
a lot. There's a lot of teams that need quarterbacks,
and there's just not a good quarterback class. I think
if we had last year's quarterback class, Aaron would not
have much of a market. But I think he'll have
a market. You say, who is he going to have again,
shaduor Sanders cam Woard. There's two Darnold three. I mean
(27:14):
Daniel Jones. But I can see somebody because Daniel Jones big, strong,
athletic and very quiet. I could see that being attracted.
But nobody's building around Daniel Jones Geno Smith. Is Seattle
going to hit the market. I think they would, but
it's a bad quarterback class. If I was Seattle and
they finished with like the seventeenth pick, I'd give up
multiple picks if I could, you know, if I could
(27:36):
get I'll just say keep your eye on Riley Leonard
at Notre Dame. I'm just gonna say, keep your eye
on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
So let's say you're drafting, Let's just pick a team eighteenth,
the Saints.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They're done with Carr.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Would you rather have Jalen Milroe on a rookie deal
out of Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Or Aaron Rodgers as your free agent quarterback?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Jalen Milroll probably like, as a thousand percent, we're forgetting
Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay. First of all, he just
kicked destroyed McCarthy. That was ugly to finit Remember they
didn't talk for like six months in the facility. Then
it got ugly with Lafleur. Right then it was like
I want to retire. No, I don't, man, I we're
whining all this nonsense. Then he goes to the Darkness Retreat.
Then he goes to the Jets Achilles. You know this
(28:22):
guy turns forty one here in like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm not saying it's a big market.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
No, no, no, there's no The one team I forget
which guy.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
One of the producers here said it might have been
music was the San Francisco forty nine ers, who.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Let's just say the party situation is interesting.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And if you can get Aaron Rodgers to take a
super team friendly deal on the cheap, go to San Francisco,
work with Shanahan, maybe that works. I just I find
a hard time seeing coaches very.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I would take perty at what number, any number.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Now you're coming around. You've seen enough in New York.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
By the way, I want to play this again, so
Deon Sanders Cowboys Michael Irvin came on the show yesterday
and said I got it sourced. He would take the
job if offered. Here was what Dion Sanders said about
the possibility. I thought this was funny of being head
coach in the NFL Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
I'm happy where I am, man, I'm good. I got
a kickstand down. You know what the kickstand is a
lot of people don't even there and done out of age.
You don't know what the kickstand is. I mean, I'm resting,
I'm good, happy, excited, I'm enthusiastic about where I am.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I will just say I will just say the Cowboys
are what Colorado football was in terms of kind of
a dad college football program. Dallas feels like to me
a kind of dead franchise. They are now one of
those six or seven teams that are just bad television giants, Carolina, Tennessee,
(29:58):
Dallas Cowboys. I don't think the Chicago Bears are a
great team, but the Bears are fascinating. With Caleb Williams
and some of their talent, they could fire their coach.
The Bears are fascinating. They're fun team to watch. I
don't know where they're gonna be, but they're fun to watch.
Seattle I kind of like them. I kind of don't,
but I like watching their games. They're always in close
football games. Dallas is no fun to watch. What they
(30:21):
need is a shot of adrenaline. Mike Vrabel's great not
giving you that. I don't think Belichick gives you that.
I think Dion is, Oh my god, I gotta watch this.
I mean, you're just you know, there are certain things
when you're bouncing around the television. There's thirty channels. If
you see Dion Sanders on the sideline of a Cowboy
game and there's like three or four games on, it's like,
I'm staying on that one. So that's I think it's
(30:43):
a real thing. And Jerry knows right now this franchise
is after Never Forget after Troy Aikman six and ten,
five and eleven, and all of a sudden, Jerry's like,
I gotta get parcels. We gotta get parcels. And then
they get lucky on Tony Romo and uh, Tony Romo.
(31:08):
Cowboys got very lucky to get Tony Romo, and you
may may argue post Romo they got very lucky to
get Dak. But the Dak story, now we know what
it is, regular season success. Nothing in January, Dion to Dallas.
It just sounds right. Jax got the news. After this,
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Without further ado. Jay Mack with the News, Turn on
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
The producers here know you love bow Nicks, so we
got to talk about him every day.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
They do get giddy. Look at that, look at his mine.
Oh my gosh, bo Knicks. He had a massive game.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Against the Falcons through three hundred and seven yards, four touchdowns.
The Mighty Falcons defense went outdoors and did nothing. We
heard Sean Payton's praises throughout the week. Here's Patrick certain
on bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You're trying to win MVP.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
He's not even looking like offense.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We're gonna look like MVP right now. But man, I
just know it's a testament to him.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
I mean, he put puts the work in Eastern every
week you know into shows.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know his preparations.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Uh, you know he stayed at the hours too much
field to fitch his game and you know this is.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Games like this is not a surprise because he gets
to work in you know if you heard that. But
he was basically saying, stays after watch his film. He's
a pro.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You're kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't like a lot of these guys getting off
work early. Guys don't work for me. I like the
grind of Patrick certain and Boonex. I'm I'm feeling it
with this team. You are feeling I am feeling it
on Denver. I think I just I step aside.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I let you do your thing. You go off.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I will tell you this.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Sources telling me, Wow, Okay, Sean Payton thinks he I
think Sean Payton thinks he got the best quarterback in
the draft, and he thinks he's only getting better. I'm
just telling you he really thinks it's just starting. He's
just getting his feet under it. His last seven games,
we have a graph on this. You go look at
his last seven games. This kid's getting better. He was
(33:59):
pretty choppy for the three three weeks he outplayed Mahomes
two weeks ago. This stuff is magic, baby, Joel Klack.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Could out play Mahomes with the weapons of Mahomes. Ass
Come on, yeah, congratu your Broncos and.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Sartan and a very happy for you, very condescends, rarely break.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Your way, so I wanted to give you. I'm really
happy here enjoying this.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Let's move on to uh this offseason coaching carousel. Bill
Belichick is going to lead every every job opening, everybody's
gonna mention Belichick's name, but.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
One team seems to have the inside track for belichick services.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Here's Diana Russini on her Scoop City podcast with the
latest on Belichick.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Belichick certainly has his eye on this Jacksonville opening. This
is an organization that has tons of respect for Belichick.
The question that I'm going to have about how the
Belichick scenario is going to work is what is going
to be the power dynamic?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Are we going?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Is he going to get the keys to the castle? Hmmm?
So listen, Bill's got a place down in Jupiter, so
he's you know, he's he likes Florida. Trent Balky, who's
you know, doesn't have a great Harbaugh and Bulky couldn't
get along.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Belichick will get along with him.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Right, Well, Belichick will make it very clear I'll run things.
I don't think I'll say it again. Bill's a great
defensive coach, a very good culture builder. If he's running
the personnel, I don't trust it, don't do not. His
last seven drafts in New England stunk.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
What about like the fourteen years or whatever it was
before that, which.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Scott Pioli was running the department and and Bill had
clearly he had a say, but you had real, real people.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It was a brain dream like he lost all his lieutenants.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I mean it'd be like, you know, I get it, Yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's tough. Yeah, he lost a lot of guys. People
are poaching from his staff.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
All the time. You know, they're poached from saban staff
in Baman, he kept winning. How about about higher people
that will challenge you, not the same old misfits.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So okay, let's break down the bell. There's too much
noise about this Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I think it's a real thing to.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Make it feel like coming from one They.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Need relevance and Belichick makes them relevance.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
What can Belichick get assurances they're not going to get
shipped to London in a.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Year or two.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Doul Dusseldorf's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I don't know, Listen, I just don't know. Is there
a lot of talent on this Jaggs roster?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
There's more than the rector. They're not Carolina. They're closer
to multi year rebuilt.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
They're not like, oh, we're two pieces.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Of By the way, is our talent on Denver's roster
they're winning. Is Trevor Lawrence at least his talented as
Boone Nicks? Maybe he's not, but I'm just saying, let's
let's settle down. Oh no, I think Bo's better.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
You think von Nicks is more talented than Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yep? As an NFL quarterback, I think he's more accurate.
I think he's as athletics.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Come on, man, Okay, well, like what ten games into
his career?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Eleven? He got five years?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Ten games into his career? Seven have been excellent.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah, with Sean Payton, who is uh, who's Trevor Lawrence?
D urban Meyer for ten games and now Doug Peterson.
He overreacted from you, Calhart?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Oh my, how am I all right, let's go to
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Lakers won their sixth straight last in an NBA Cup
matchup with the Jazz. The biggest headline was Dalton Connect
aka Connect four went off for thirty seven. He hit
a rookie record nine to three pointers, joining Kobe Bryant
Lebron as the fourth Laker and team history to hit
nine threes.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
This kid is a home run.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
He hit him with the Jordan shrug after his fourth
straight three in the third quarter. I'm watching with my
family setting up the Christmas tree, and I'm like, Dalton
Connect is I mean this?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
He looks like the rookie of the year. Who's better
than him?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I love his story Junior college edge like D two
goes to Tennessee. So this kid's been pushed around. It
hasn't been this wonderful linear path he's had. It's a
it's a real route.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
He's overtaken D'Angelo Russell in the back court.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You were the one that turned me on too him
last year. You said you because you love college basketball.
You said, dude, there's this kid at Tennessee and so
and they're all SEC basketball is on all the time.
So I watched him, and I had a couple of
big time dungs.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
You're like, oh, he can play like forty in the tournament.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I didn't know if he was just gonna be
a great college score. But he could score the ball.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It's a three level score. I mean he'll score inside. Yeah,
he's really good.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Interestingly, the Lakers, you know, he's supplanted Dangela Russell in
the back court like Danseel Russell's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Out the bench.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
So the Lakers shockingly are starting two white guys in
the back court, which is something we haven't seen in
the NBA in a while since like Stockton Horniseck.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Right, it's been pretty good, pretty good back court.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And listen, I know the Lakers are feasting on some
Utah is a bad team right now and the Lakers
are cooking. They do have a five game stretch up,
which is tough up coming up.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I'm very closely gonna watching.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
All. All I know is I've said this, you get
very sensitive. If Austin Reeves becomes your fourth best player
that is a multiple playoff series winning team.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
It's a lot to ask connect to be your third
best player.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Come on, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
No, it's not when you've spent five years in college.
It's not It is if your Scoot Henderson or you're
James Wiseman. But it's not asking a lot for a
five year dominant college player to come in and average
sixteen and a half a game. That's not a huge ass.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
The other thing is Lebron loves this guy. Lebron's love
Tampion in the media. On the bench, he's the first
guy up when connect his hitting threes. Lebron's high five
in a big time when he comes off the court,
like you love to see that.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
A veteran.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
If you're the if you're the dominant offensive player in
the SEC, and you've been in college for multiple years,
you are ready to contribute day one in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Well again, you playing alongside Lebron and AD, you're gonna get,
You're gonna you're gonna do pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Well Lebron gets Lebron is so good at getting you
the ball when you're open and like right in the
right spot. I mean, Lebron is so good at this.
His ability to get you the ball without screwing your
feet up. Lebron will get you it and you're setting
ready to go right in the shot pocket, so it
could be cross court. He'll find in the corner.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Put it right there, Doulton connect were drafted by the Hornets.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
He's not doing this. He's just not playing with the.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, mahomes without Andy Reid probably not mahomes. Some
of that's so so situational, you know, core circumstances dictate
a lot I mean, look at you.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, I was waiting a.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Pot of gold.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I was waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I mean, why why won't you just rub a couple
of lottery tickets and win me?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Or you?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
J Mac the news?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Last week we had Paul Tyson and then John Jones,
the best UFC fighter ever, and then we had good games.
Do we have anything this weekend? And we got Ohio
State Indiana on Fox Saturday F one in Vegas. It
screws up traffic. That drives me nuts. Uh. We don't
have UFC card this weekend, Bomber.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I think we'll live war.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Just always looking for something extra.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is there an election this weekend or no?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
That was a couple of tuesdays ago, Thank thank goodness.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ah, here we go, our two live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Lakers have one six straight, Dodgers won
the World Series. We don't get tired of winning around here.
You know, I was just talking with Jmac. Everybody thought
JJ Reddick, he's arrogant. Well, sometimes people who are arrogant
(00:46):
are smarter. Elon Musk is a little a little much well,
Tesla Kpal, SpaceX, Starlink, Twitter, Elon smarter than the media
the question. And I know that's hard for the Washington
Post reporters handle. But Elon's a little smarter than you
believe it or not than a Rando newspaper guy. So
I mean, it's like JJ Reddick got all this heat.
(01:09):
If you've watched the Lakers play, he's got an absolute identity.
He immediately identified Anthony Davis is the center of this team.
Darvin Ham didn't do that. I mean, you never knew
was it Lebron's team or a D's team. Day one,
JJ Reddick said this, this is this is AD's team.
So he got buy in from Lebron. Lebron can be
(01:29):
the number one guy in moments, but on most nights
they're looking to get Ad rolling early in the game.
Dalton connect. I guarantee you JJ Reddick liked that pick.
So Austin Reeves, You've got, really You've got college guys
who have been around four and five years in college.
You are easily seeing right now, you are seeing the
(01:49):
Lakers look like something. And from the first game with
Anthony Davis, you're like, okay, they have passed the baton.
Darvin Ham was a defensive coach. Didn't have a lot
of offensive moxie or understanding or conceptual like excellence on
that stuff. I thought he was a nice guy. I
thought everybody banged down in LA was fine. But when
you watch JJ Reddick, it's like watching in the NFL,
when you watch an Andy Reid or Sean Payton team,
(02:11):
you can see the excellence. You can see how smart
Sean Payton is with play calling and play design. Sometimes
you watch Josh Allen, You're like, is he just kind
of making it up as he goes? Is he just
putting on a Superman cape? Or is it coaching? When
I watch bow Knicks, I see coaching. When I see
Ice Kansas City, Mahomes is great, but I see the coaching.
(02:32):
That's what I've said about Philadelphia. I don't see the
coaching in Philly. I see great players. But JJ Reddick,
this thing looks like something. It's a real thing, a living,
breathing coaching job, and they're fun to watch. They're only
a half game out of first place. Now, again, it's
early in the season. Lebron's older ad who's been healthy
last couple of years. Let's see how they age. But
(02:52):
if Dalton connect is the third best player and then
Austin Reeves becomes a four, this has been big argument.
If Austin Reeves is your one, you're not a playoff team.
If he's your two, you're probably not a playoff team.
But maybe if he's a three, you're a playoff team.
If Austin Reeves becomes your four, that is a playoff
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team that can win multiple series. I've said this about
Derek White to the Celtics. If Derek White's a one
on your team, you're not a playoff team. If he's
a two, maybe you're a play in team. If he's
a three, you're a playoff team. If he's a four,
you can win a title. I mean, go go back
to the Splash Brothers. It was Steph was the best
player pre k D. Second best player all in was
(03:40):
Draymond his catalyst, his defense. Your third best player was
Clay Thompson. Okay, you're you're a championship team. Then when
you put KD and then Clays your four, Okay, then
you're an all time great team. You go to the
Scottie Pippen MJ. Bowles and you're like Tony kukoach is
a three or a four. Rodman's a four. That's one
of the great teams of all time. And so if
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Dalton connect is a three and can give you seventeen
to eighteen a game, and now Austin Reeves is your
fourth best player, that's a real basketball team. That's a
real pro basketball team. And nothing we're spitting takes today.
We're spitting takes. Uh. Joel Klatt, the voice of college
football at Fox is joining me is he's prone to
(04:23):
do on Wednesday? What's up, dude? Well, we're doing very
very well. Well, it is a big week, and you know,
how do I state this? We know? I don't know.
We know there are certain brands in college football that
(04:44):
when they have a good coach Ohio State, now Texas,
now Bama, now Georgia now Okay, okay, we know they
have better players than everybody, except if they play one
of those other teams. Yeah, the matchup games. Yeah, okay.
So let's just say Indiana walks into Columbus twenty eight
(05:06):
to twenty seven, upsets them. We can all blame Ryan
Day because that's all we do. But what you're telling
me is because I still have questions about Penn State.
I still do. Maybe I'm wrong. They've beaten a lot
of teams badly, but you lose to Oregon in Indiana.
In my opinion, Indiana then is a top five team.
(05:28):
You lost to the two best teams you faced. I'm
not sure you're a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh, you're saying Ohio State if they lose at home,
So then you would say the same thing about Texas
if they lost A and M. They're not going to
lose d A in m Well, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay, you can make the argument for America. Texas's best
win is Vandy. Okay, well they beat Alabama, so but anyway,
you're right. I'll give you that one. So are we
sure that Ohio State and Texas? Let's start with Ohio State?
Are we sure if they lose the next couple of
weeks their playoff teams. I'm not so sure about Texas.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I would be pretty sure about Ohios. I still think
you might have questions about Penn State. I think largely
the college football world doesn't. Yeah, they had a lot
of blowout wins. They have, and they've played well since
that Ohio State game. And remember this is a team
that for a number of years has been an elite
level team. Speaking of Penn State, the only losses that
they suffer are to Michigan and Ohio.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I just saw USC walk up and down the field
on them.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So that's fine, that's fine. So no, I don't think
Ohio State would be in trouble in that regard. I
think that there are much worse resumes, you know, behind them.
But having said that, this matchup specifically, I think is fascinating,
and it got more fascinating in the last twenty four hours.
The starting center for Ohio State, who has largely been
(06:46):
their best offensive line.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
They've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They had Simmons the left tackle, he got hurt, and
now Seth McLaughlin, who is the transfer player from Alabama,
has really solidified their offensive line at the center position.
They ra rave and rave about him. The reports are
are that that he is done for the year and
was injured in practice yesterday. So that is a major
development for this week and even next week when you're
(07:12):
talking about facing a Michigan team where their strongest part
of their team is their defensive interior line.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So I would say, going, you know the two things
about Ohio State. I like great wide receivers, great great
wide receiver. I think their linebackers now have been upgraded
over the last couple years. I think they run pretty well,
sometimes over over pursued, but I think their linebackers look
like NFL guys.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
The safeties, probably the best safety played in the country.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Line been a little squishy, yeah, and I would agree.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's why I think it was such a big point
of conversation the way that they beat Penn State running
the football, and they had they had they had toyed
around with the lineup and inserted last year starting center
Carson Hensman in at left guard. Yeah, and Donovan Jackson,
the All American guard, moved out to left tackle. But
now there are going to be major questions about just
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who on the field in front of Will Howard and
as bad. It's it's a huge, huge development and we'll
see what happens kind of moving forward. But that that is,
and in particular this late in the week, your game
plan is in, all your practices are in, so when
you're trying to get someone one hundred for well, not
the audible.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
He's called all the protections.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, he's calling all of the offensive line calls and
the protections and he's been excellent. Again he's he's an
All American Rimington, you know, possible best center in the country.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So to lose him is a big deal for Ohio State. Okay,
So I've always I always joke about this with my wife.
I'm like, I don't know how these baseball players do it.
They're on planes, they have like twenty seven road trips. Yeah,
then they go play in the hot sun and I'm
like even NBA and hockey guys, I'm like, I'd be
a football guy just because the travel schedules ease year.
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These hockey guys are out there having a good time
after the games. It's playing, it's play, it's three in
the morning. But I did notice it this weekend. I'm
gonna give all going to pass. They looked tired against
Wisconsin last week, like eight seven straight conference games. They
looked tired.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So they had to buy early, not early, but in
September that was their first off week. Then this week
is their next off week. So that means that they
played eight consecutive weeks of football, which is just hard.
And guess what, they didn't have that sec you know,
bs like Mercer in the middle of their schedule. They
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played eight consecutive weeks of conference play. Nobody in the
country has done that. And do you know that, as
far as schedule makeup goes, that is the only team
in the country that had to do that eight consecutive
weeks of conference play.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The lot everybody looked like, let's just win and get home.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Meanwhile, you know, I'm gonna I'm also going to give
them a pass for that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They came back and won the game.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's it's at night, it's it's a far travel experience.
Wisconsin had been playing better, in particular on the defensive slide.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They still won. Right Like, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Lost to what was it Arkansas, Ole Miss lost to Kentucky,
Fama lost to Van Damn a loss to Vanderbilt. So
there's something about making sure that you get the win.
And everybody has thrown out one stinker. I mean, that's
just that's just okay. Look at Georgia didn't play well
against Kentucky. They you know, they've taken a couple of losses.
Notre Dame got beat by Northern Illinois. So there's something
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to be said for a great team that is tired.
They've played eight consecutive weeks, no no off week, all
in conference play. They travel out to Madison and it's
at night, and you get in a dog fight and
you're down in the fourth quarter and they still won.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Act I actually believe that it says more about Oregon
than less.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
My takeaway was, Oh, it's these are and I'm sitting
googling their schedule, I'm like, yeah, these are like you're
talking nineteen year old kids. They still have class, you
know what I mean, Like they look tired.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And now they've qualified for the Big Ten Championship camp. Yeah,
so they're in.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And and to be honest with you, with the way
that they've played with their winover Ohio State, I think
that they're just into the playoff. Like, let's let's just say,
sake of argument, Washington beats them and they still go
to the Big Ten champions baybed Ohio State. There's so
to me, we have one team that's in Oregon is
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in the playoff, they're in the Big Ten Championship game,
and and I firmly believe that they're gonna play well
in all of them.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So let's show the top if we do have this,
the twelve team playoff. The only thing I took from it,
it's not complete, but I did think it's interesting is
all these SEC teams. Alabama has to go play in
cold weather Georgia plays Penn State and coldwell all Miss Indiana.
That will be the coldest game by twenty degrees any
of those SEC players have ever played in. And all
you have to do is look at Tua, who played
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high school in Hawaii SEC football under forty eight degrees.
He is a clipboard holder. It matters, it does. Hit
two is great.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It matters, it does, and I will I will tell
you this, like I do believe that there's going to
be a ten and two SEC team left out of
the playoff, like so for example and these this is
all gonna change, right Like do I do I think
that that Boise is going to get a buy?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And is Indiana, you know, gonna remain at seven? I'm
not sure. What I do know, though, is that there's
too many teams in the SEC that can finish ten
and two, and likely one of them is going to
get left out at this point. It would be Tennessee
because they're not in the twelve team playoffs. So if
you're a Tennessee fan, and I know this is going
to sound crazy, you got to root for Florida this
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week against Ole Miss. You got to root for Army
against Notre Dame. And I'd be rooting for Texas against
Texas A and M because the last thing you would
want if you're Tennessee or ole Miss, or give an
A and M ten and two with a win over Texas.
So those are the games that those teams are rooting for.
And then one more point on this bracket right here
is Bama is sitting there right now at that nine seed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They would go to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The nine seed is the worst seed to get in
this break bracket. Let me explain. You could say that
the lower seeds are also worse, but the nine seed
has to go on the road in the first You
don't want to do that. So any of the bottom
four seeds you don't want, but the nine seeds specifically,
because even if you can win a game on the
road in the playoff, you have to face the number
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one team in the country the following in the following
game in the quarterfinals, and this iteration, it would be
an Oregon or a Big Ten champ or an SEC champ.
Then and watch this here in the semis, you would
likely face the five seed because the loser of the
Big Ten championship or the SEC championship is going to
get the five seed. When you get the five seed,
you host twelve, and then you go play the four.
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Remember the four seed is just a high ranked conference champ.
In this case, it would be Boise, it could be BYU,
it could be Colorado. That's not a game that's going
to scare the five seed, which means that the nine seed,
Alabama in this case, would have to play on the
road against Notre Dame, then Oregon, then Ohio State before
going to a national championship. The toughest road in the playoff,
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and this iteration and the way that they've constructed it
is the nine seed that's the one you've got to avoid.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So you did the Colorado win over Utah, yeah, last week?
So first of all, I think Colorado should be in
the playoff rooting for him because I think they're going
to win the Big twelve. And I also think I
think it's hard to blow out Utah. They're generally when
they lose, they lose close generally. But I think it's
a good story. I think Dion's fascinating. I think Shador
Sanders and Travis Hunter I think for me college football,
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I would love to see Dion in the tournament. Whether
they I think they could win a game. I think
if you have the best two players in college football,
you can win the game of the tournament. Did they
look like a playoff team to you?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
They are very inconsistent in game, but at their best.
They're certainly the big best team in the Big twelve,
and so yes, low ceiling, high floor. Yes, And that
happened against Utah their floor, high seating, floor, high ceiling.
And here's the thing about Colorado's they didn't even play
great offensively. There were some sluggish moments in that game,
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in particular in the first and early second quarter, and
they still scored forty two often points forty nine overall.
One was a pump return touchdown, but forty two points.
Utah's defense was healthy. Utah's defense is the number one
defense in the Big Twelve. Just like you were talking about,
teams don't do this to Utah. The forty nine points
put up against this Utah team was the most that
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Kyle Whittingham's team has given up since twenty fourteen. Guess
who did that? Mariota's Oregon team. Like, only great offenses
do this to Utah, and it doesn't matter what conference
they're in or who they're playing, coach, and Colorado didn't
even play great for about a quarter and a half
and still did that. I'm telling you, at the top end,
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Colorado is dangerous. And the other thing that makes them
dangerous is their defensive line. If you look at the
second half of the season, this defensive line is one
of the best teams in the country, forcing pressure and
getting to the quarterback. They stopped the run. If there
was one thing that Utah could do, it'd be run
the football with Mackai Bernard, their big offensive line, their
physical offensive line. They couldn't do any of that against Colorado.
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So to answer your question, Dollarado is absolutely right now
the best team of the Big twelve. Now, can they
beat Kansas this week on the road? We'll see, We'll see.
But I would love to see them in the playoff.
I think that that would create an insane amount of
interest in that playoff.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Okay, now, this next question is going to make you
a bit uncomfortable. Oh, and you go on a lot
of shows with cream puff hosts. That's not how that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No, No, that's this is big Jay journalism right here, folks.
I don't know if you've been told. I'm here to
tell you. Sometimes I have to remind my audience of that.
But needless to say, Cowboys lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Ooh, I know where you're going. Number one pick, potentially
take Shaduur. Hmmm, let's be honest, Jerry loves charisma.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Let me ask you though, like, would they move can
they move off of Dak's cotton?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So well, Dak has a no trade clause, he'd wave
it in a second. If they drafted a quarterback. I
mean Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. Okay, he
ended up with the Steelers. Aaron Rodgers was the highest
paid quarterback in like March to twenty twenty two. By
April of twenty twenty three. Was a jet like teams
move off, people wave stuff. All right, I'm just saying
that was just my biggest question about the whole thing.
So Dion Sanders leaving Colorado, if he did resentment, thank you,
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how would he be viewed do you think, oh no,
it would be.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
With love.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean this was a dead program. Oh no, question,
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I played there, and that's what That's what I'm
telling you. I told that to the athletic director during
the process. He didn't want to hear it, but I
was like, hey, this is this is the worst team
in the Power five. So even if Dion were to leave,
he would be viewed with the utmost amount of love.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, I believe.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now, I don't know if he's going to I asked
him point blank last week on Friday, do you want
to go to the NFL? He said no, And he said,
my purpose is to be a coach, but it is
more so to mentor young men. And I don't believe
I could do that as my calling and my purpose
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at the NFL level, that I can, like I can
do that at the college life.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Now, he has great religious conviction. He has said that before,
and I believe him there. I think that is. I
do think he is. He lives a purpose filled life.
I do believe that, and I think you know, a
lot of people say a lot of things. A lot
of coaches say a lot of things. Can I just
add to that real quick?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So we had a long discussion on Friday about Warren Sap.
Who did you? And Dion? Yes, and Gus and Ginny.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So this is our production meeting on Friday before last
week's game, and Gus started asking him about Warren Sapp
because Warren Sap, if you don't know, is a defensive
line assistant. So he's not even the full time defensive
line coach. And Dion said something that was profound and
absolutely accurate, and he said the only issue with Warren
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was that he didn't have a purpose after he got
done playing. We gave him that purpose. And then you
see Warren on the sideline and his eyes are big,
and he's got the headset on and he's in it, man,
with those kids. And that is something very profound for
any of us who have played, you know, athletics at
a decently high level, and certainly some of these guys
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that have gold jackets and all of a sudden, when
the music stops and that Merry Go Round stops and
you're not Warren Sapped the defensive tackle or Deon Sanders,
the two sports star. You've got to find something in
your life and some calling in some purpose. Dion found
that as a coach, and he's a damn good coach.
Look at what he's done at Colorado and when Jackson
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State and Jackson State. And so when he saw that
in Warren, an old friend and he said, like, no, no, no,
Warren is going to be fine. All you think is
is some risky higher No, no, no, he just needs
purpose and calling and he's found that. So I say
that story only to just give you a little bit
more background on how big Dion is about purpose and
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calling and how much that run and drives the decisions
that he makes.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, I know when I stopped slinging that letter I
needed is that? Was that it?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And you thought I'm gonna talk about sports, I'm gonna theorize, right, what.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The hell you're talking about? Yeah? No, it's you know,
the whole Dion thing. I always thought there was a lot,
isn't it fun? Well, you know I've learned this. You know,
we tend to judge people on floors and not ceilings.
Elon Musk has bad days, but his ceiling is incredible.
(20:34):
Dion hasn't been perfect dumping water on a broadcast. You know,
some charism and ego, but I think America is founded
on it's okay if you screw up, we got your back.
Nobody's perfect. And what what I talked? I remember years
and years ago. It's a boring story, but years and
years ago, I was in Mexico and my daughter was
one or two years old, and I'm in a pool
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and there's this kind of good looking older man, was
silver hair, and he just looked like and he looked
like a movie star from France, and I talked to everybody,
and he was a he was a doctor in Beverly
Hills and he was from I think he was from
like Saani, Arabia, somewhere a Middle East. And I asked him,
you know, I said, do you what is it about America?
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And he said, you Americans, you don't understand. He goes,
I could have gone anywhere he was. Obviously he looked
like he had money, like he just looked, you know,
And he goes, It's the greatest place in the world.
If you have an idea or a skill, it's forgiving.
They'll help you chase your dreams. And he goes. It's
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not as judgmental as other places. He goes, you know,
America is, he goes. I'm always reminding my other doctors.
The grass isn't greener. I grew up in the other places,
and it leads me back. And I've always thought about
that is whenever the media gets a little too anti
this and that, stop come planning about everything. Dion's journey
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is redeemable. Even as a pro athlete, Remember this Atlanta.
Now I'm gonna go San Francisco, Dallas. He was a
first bounce around superstar Jackson State. Better himself. Oh he's good.
Colorado is a terrible program. Better himself. Like like I've
come to terms with Dion. Sometimes he turned me off.
But the dude is better than himself like the rest
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of us. He's imperfect. I'm going too long winded here,
but I find myself with his success in Colorado. I
find myself incredibly attracted to what he's done.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I here's why I love covering him and watching this
And granted again, I went to Colorado. But he's authentic
and he's unapologetically himself.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I talk about that a lot with is actually Greg Senki,
commissioner at the SEC. He's like, I'm I am not
going to be sorry about our success, and and Dion's
that way.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He's not going to apologize because he's Deon Sanders. Everybody
wants a piece. He's not going to apologize that his
son is the best quarterback in college football. He's not
going to apologize that he got the number one recruit
in the country to go to Jackson State and now
is going to go to Colorado and follow him and
probably win the Heisman Trophy. In Travis Hunter. He's not
going to apologize for that. And in his mind, it's like,
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you get on board. I'm myself and I'm not changing.
That's right, you know, And and that's appealing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
At first I thought the cowboy hat was hokey, but
now I've seen him wear it for two years.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, he loves it, he really does.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
No, it's fun. It's it's fun to cover that team.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And this is a microcosm of why this expanded playoff
I think is so good for college football because we
can sit here on a Wednesday, you and I and
we can talk about Colorado. And it's not just because
of Dion. It's because Dion and his team are relevant
in terms of the college football playoff race. We have
more access to the college football playoff. We have more
teams that are playing big games in terms of the
college football Army is playing Notre Dame and Army has
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a path to the to the College Dame in my life. Well,
if they do this week, they've got a path to
the playoff.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Is that great? It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I love Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State. You're playing a game
that means something to the college football playoff. This has
been fantastic for the sport, and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I love it, every minute of it. Thirty two thirty
Indiana Ohio State over Ohio State. You're side of your colleges. No,
that's just the score, and you're not saying who wins.
I'm going to bring it out Friday. I think there's
a lot of points. I think there's gonna be some
scoring here. Maybe.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean Indiana didn't score much against Michigan, and if
and if Ohio State's offensive line is banged up, I
actually think it could be a lower scoring game than
people think.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Army beat Notre Dame. Where do you go in nineteen
fifty eight? O? Wow, So I wasn't around. I was
not either nineteen fifty eight. Now, Navies had some good teams. Yea,
Navy's had some teams. How about Army. That's fantastic. Good
senior class, you too, man, great to be here. You
didn't get sensitive on Dion. You embraced the challenge.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
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Speaker 1 (25:21):
So there is a report that the Jets will seek
a new quarterback. According to Connor Hughes, a reporter for
SNY in New York, the organization has moved off their
head coach, they have demoted their offensive coordinator, they have
moved off now they're general manager. So these are the
Jets departure since Aaron Rodgers arrived. Tony Soprano didn't lead
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that type of wake in New York. So it's not pretty,
but it's a week quarterback class collegiately. So it's cam Ward,
who I to me is not a top ten pick,
but I think he'll get picked there. And Shador Sanders,
I think should be the number one pick. Remember, I
think Aaron has Jamack and I argued about this. If
you go to the last three years, last year, Kirk Cousins,
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Donald and Russell Wilson, we're all in the market, a
couple of them really expensive. Two years ago, Derek Carr,
Jimmy Garoppolo, Aaron Rodgers were on the market. Three years ago,
Baker Mayfield, Matt Ryan were on the market. So this
offseason we know Sam Darnald, they'll probably move off Sam Darnald.
If I had to choose between Donald and Aaron. I
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would choose Donald because he's younger. I think he's more coachable.
I think he's better in the room, and I think
he's in his athletic prime. He's twenty seven years old.
You know, I don't want to pick on Aaron. I
do think he can be a bit prickly and needy.
I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuild.
He said that, and I also think, frankly, he's gotten
a bit expensive and he's not winning very much. That's
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really the key. Donald's winning, Aaron's not. That's very attractive.
Say what you want about Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins wins
a lot. There's a lot of teams that need quarterbacks,
and there's just not a good quarterback class. I think
if we had last year's quarterback class, Aaron would not
have much of a market. But I think he'll have
a market. You say, who is he going to have again,
shaduor Sanders cam Woard. There's two Darnold three. I mean
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Daniel Jones. But I can see somebody because Daniel Jones big, strong,
athletic and very quiet. I could see that being attracted.
But nobody's building around Daniel Jones Geno Smith. Is Seattle
going to hit the market. I think they would, but
it's a bad quarterback class. If I was Seattle and
they finished with like the seventeenth pick, I'd give up
multiple picks if I could, you know, if I could
(27:36):
get I'll just say keep your eye on Riley Leonard
at Notre Dame. I'm just gonna say, keep your eye
on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
So let's say you're drafting, Let's just pick a team eighteenth,
the Saints.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
They're done with Carr.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Would you rather have Jalen Milroe on a rookie deal
out of Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Or Aaron Rodgers as your free agent quarterback?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Jalen Milroll probably like, as a thousand percent, we're forgetting
Aaron Rodgers left Green Bay. First of all, he just
kicked destroyed McCarthy. That was ugly to finit Remember they
didn't talk for like six months in the facility. Then
it got ugly with Lafleur. Right then it was like
I want to retire. No, I don't, man, I we're
whining all this nonsense. Then he goes to the Darkness Retreat.
Then he goes to the Jets Achilles. You know this
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guy turns forty one here in like two weeks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm not saying it's a big market.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
No, no, no, there's no The one team I forget
which guy.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
One of the producers here said it might have been
music was the San Francisco forty nine ers, who.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Let's just say the party situation is interesting.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And if you can get Aaron Rodgers to take a
super team friendly deal on the cheap, go to San Francisco,
work with Shanahan, maybe that works. I just I find
a hard time seeing coaches very.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I would take perty at what number, any number.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Now you're coming around. You've seen enough in New York.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
By the way, I want to play this again, so
Deon Sanders Cowboys Michael Irvin came on the show yesterday
and said I got it sourced. He would take the
job if offered. Here was what Dion Sanders said about
the possibility. I thought this was funny of being head
coach in the NFL Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
I'm happy where I am, man, I'm good. I got
a kickstand down. You know what the kickstand is a
lot of people don't even there and done out of age.
You don't know what the kickstand is. I mean, I'm resting,
I'm good, happy, excited, I'm enthusiastic about where I am.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I will just say I will just say the Cowboys
are what Colorado football was in terms of kind of
a dad college football program. Dallas feels like to me
a kind of dead franchise. They are now one of
those six or seven teams that are just bad television giants, Carolina, Tennessee,
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Dallas Cowboys. I don't think the Chicago Bears are a
great team, but the Bears are fascinating. With Caleb Williams
and some of their talent, they could fire their coach.
The Bears are fascinating. They're fun team to watch. I
don't know where they're gonna be, but they're fun to watch.
Seattle I kind of like them. I kind of don't,
but I like watching their games. They're always in close
football games. Dallas is no fun to watch. What they
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need is a shot of adrenaline. Mike Vrabel's great not
giving you that. I don't think Belichick gives you that.
I think Dion is, Oh my god, I gotta watch this.
I mean, you're just you know, there are certain things
when you're bouncing around the television. There's thirty channels. If
you see Dion Sanders on the sideline of a Cowboy
game and there's like three or four games on, it's like,
I'm staying on that one. So that's I think it's
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a real thing. And Jerry knows right now this franchise
is after Never Forget after Troy Aikman six and ten,
five and eleven, and all of a sudden, Jerry's like,
I gotta get parcels. We gotta get parcels. And then
they get lucky on Tony Romo and uh, Tony Romo.
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Cowboys got very lucky to get Tony Romo, and you
may may argue post Romo they got very lucky to
get Dak. But the Dak story, now we know what
it is, regular season success. Nothing in January, Dion to Dallas.
It just sounds right. Jax got the news. After this,
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Against the Falcons through three hundred and seven yards, four touchdowns.
The Mighty Falcons defense went outdoors and did nothing. We
heard Sean Payton's praises throughout the week. Here's Patrick certain
on bow Knicks.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You're trying to win MVP.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
He's not even looking like offense.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We're gonna look like MVP right now. But man, I
just know it's a testament to him.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
I mean, he put puts the work in Eastern every
week you know into shows.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know his preparations.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Uh, you know he stayed at the hours too much
field to fitch his game and you know this is.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Games like this is not a surprise because he gets
to work in you know if you heard that. But
he was basically saying, stays after watch his film. He's
a pro.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
You're kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't like a lot of these guys getting off
work early. Guys don't work for me. I like the
grind of Patrick certain and Boonex. I'm I'm feeling it
with this team. You are feeling I am feeling it
on Denver. I think I just I step aside.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I let you do your thing. You go off.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I will tell you this.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Sources telling me, Wow, Okay, Sean Payton thinks he I
think Sean Payton thinks he got the best quarterback in
the draft, and he thinks he's only getting better. I'm
just telling you he really thinks it's just starting. He's
just getting his feet under it. His last seven games,
we have a graph on this. You go look at
his last seven games. This kid's getting better. He was
(33:59):
pretty choppy for the three three weeks he outplayed Mahomes
two weeks ago. This stuff is magic, baby, Joel Klack.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Could out play Mahomes with the weapons of Mahomes. Ass
Come on, yeah, congratu your Broncos and.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Sartan and a very happy for you, very condescends, rarely break.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Your way, so I wanted to give you. I'm really
happy here enjoying this.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Let's move on to uh this offseason coaching carousel. Bill
Belichick is going to lead every every job opening, everybody's
gonna mention Belichick's name, but.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
One team seems to have the inside track for belichick services.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Here's Diana Russini on her Scoop City podcast with the
latest on Belichick.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Belichick certainly has his eye on this Jacksonville opening. This
is an organization that has tons of respect for Belichick.
The question that I'm going to have about how the
Belichick scenario is going to work is what is going
to be the power dynamic?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Are we going?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Is he going to get the keys to the castle? Hmmm?
So listen, Bill's got a place down in Jupiter, so
he's you know, he's he likes Florida. Trent Balky, who's
you know, doesn't have a great Harbaugh and Bulky couldn't
get along.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Belichick will get along with him.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Right, Well, Belichick will make it very clear I'll run things.
I don't think I'll say it again. Bill's a great
defensive coach, a very good culture builder. If he's running
the personnel, I don't trust it, don't do not. His
last seven drafts in New England stunk.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
What about like the fourteen years or whatever it was
before that, which.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Scott Pioli was running the department and and Bill had
clearly he had a say, but you had real, real people.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It was a brain dream like he lost all his lieutenants.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I mean it'd be like, you know, I get it, Yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's tough. Yeah, he lost a lot of guys. People
are poaching from his staff.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
All the time. You know, they're poached from saban staff
in Baman, he kept winning. How about about higher people
that will challenge you, not the same old misfits.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So okay, let's break down the bell. There's too much
noise about this Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I think it's a real thing to.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Make it feel like coming from one They.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Need relevance and Belichick makes them relevance.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
What can Belichick get assurances they're not going to get
shipped to London in a.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Year or two.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Doul Dusseldorf's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I don't know, Listen, I just don't know. Is there
a lot of talent on this Jaggs roster?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
There's more than the rector. They're not Carolina. They're closer
to multi year rebuilt.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
They're not like, oh, we're two pieces.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Of By the way, is our talent on Denver's roster
they're winning. Is Trevor Lawrence at least his talented as
Boone Nicks? Maybe he's not, but I'm just saying, let's
let's settle down. Oh no, I think Bo's better.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
You think von Nicks is more talented than Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yep? As an NFL quarterback, I think he's more accurate.
I think he's as athletics.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Come on, man, Okay, well, like what ten games into
his career?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Eleven? He got five years?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Ten games into his career? Seven have been excellent.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah, with Sean Payton, who is uh, who's Trevor Lawrence?
D urban Meyer for ten games and now Doug Peterson.
He overreacted from you, Calhart?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Oh my, how am I all right, let's go to
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Lakers won their sixth straight last in an NBA Cup
matchup with the Jazz. The biggest headline was Dalton Connect
aka Connect four went off for thirty seven. He hit
a rookie record nine to three pointers, joining Kobe Bryant
Lebron as the fourth Laker and team history to hit
nine threes.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
This kid is a home run.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
He hit him with the Jordan shrug after his fourth
straight three in the third quarter. I'm watching with my
family setting up the Christmas tree, and I'm like, Dalton
Connect is I mean this?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
He looks like the rookie of the year. Who's better
than him?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
I love his story Junior college edge like D two
goes to Tennessee. So this kid's been pushed around. It
hasn't been this wonderful linear path he's had. It's a
it's a real route.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
He's overtaken D'Angelo Russell in the back court.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You were the one that turned me on too him
last year. You said you because you love college basketball.
You said, dude, there's this kid at Tennessee and so
and they're all SEC basketball is on all the time.
So I watched him, and I had a couple of
big time dungs.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
You're like, oh, he can play like forty in the tournament.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I didn't know if he was just gonna be
a great college score. But he could score the ball.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It's a three level score. I mean he'll score inside. Yeah,
he's really good.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Interestingly, the Lakers, you know, he's supplanted Dangela Russell in
the back court like Danseel Russell's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Out the bench.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
So the Lakers shockingly are starting two white guys in
the back court, which is something we haven't seen in
the NBA in a while since like Stockton Horniseck.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Right, it's been pretty good, pretty good back court.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And listen, I know the Lakers are feasting on some
Utah is a bad team right now and the Lakers
are cooking. They do have a five game stretch up,
which is tough up coming up.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I'm very closely gonna watching.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
All. All I know is I've said this, you get
very sensitive. If Austin Reeves becomes your fourth best player
that is a multiple playoff series winning team.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
It's a lot to ask connect to be your third
best player.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Come on, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
No, it's not when you've spent five years in college.
It's not It is if your Scoot Henderson or you're
James Wiseman. But it's not asking a lot for a
five year dominant college player to come in and average
sixteen and a half a game. That's not a huge ass.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
The other thing is Lebron loves this guy. Lebron's love
Tampion in the media. On the bench, he's the first
guy up when connect his hitting threes. Lebron's high five
in a big time when he comes off the court,
like you love to see that.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
A veteran.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
If you're the if you're the dominant offensive player in
the SEC, and you've been in college for multiple years,
you are ready to contribute day one in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Well again, you playing alongside Lebron and AD, you're gonna get,
You're gonna you're gonna do pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Well Lebron gets Lebron is so good at getting you
the ball when you're open and like right in the
right spot. I mean, Lebron is so good at this.
His ability to get you the ball without screwing your
feet up. Lebron will get you it and you're setting
ready to go right in the shot pocket, so it
could be cross court. He'll find in the corner.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Put it right there, Doulton connect were drafted by the Hornets.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
He's not doing this. He's just not playing with the.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean, mahomes without Andy Reid probably not mahomes. Some
of that's so so situational, you know, core circumstances dictate
a lot I mean, look at you.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, I was waiting a.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Pot of gold.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I was waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I mean, why why won't you just rub a couple
of lottery tickets and win me?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Or you?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
J Mac the news?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Last week we had Paul Tyson and then John Jones,
the best UFC fighter ever, and then we had good games.
Do we have anything this weekend? And we got Ohio
State Indiana on Fox Saturday F one in Vegas. It
screws up traffic. That drives me nuts. Uh. We don't
have UFC card this weekend, Bomber.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I think we'll live war.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Just always looking for something extra.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is there an election this weekend or no?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
That was a couple of tuesdays ago, Thank thank goodness.
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