November 20, 2024 • 31 mins
The 49ers have become an old and brittle team that must decide what they're going to do with QB Brock Purdy
Thoughts on Bears QB Caleb Williams so far this season
More on possibly Deion Sanders going to the NFL
Guest: Albert Breer
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. So there's a lot of
things to talk about. One of the things Jamack and
I were arguing about yesterday has had brought purty secured
a contract for the forty nine ers because this is
getting to be an old, brittle team and they're going
to move off some people. Now you've got to pay
brock perty or will they Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback
(00:42):
joining us now live, So let's start with that. You know,
when do they have to pay him? And as your feeling,
he has earned a contract because these are big decisions
for an older team now where that salary cap, they're
going to have to move off guys like potentially Kittle,
who's still a very good player.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and they've they've certainly mortgaged contracts. We see teams
do this when they're in the window to win, where
you know, over the next couple of years, there's probably
going to have to be a reset year where they
just take their medicine and and there's going to be
a hole in the roster because because they are moving
off some of those guys. So you know, certainly, like
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with your Kittles, with your Deebo Samuels, with your Trent Williams, age,
mileage comes into play, and yeah, I mean like then
the question becomes, okay, like can we move into this
next phase with Brock Purdy able to be the guy
who can fix things, who can fill holes? And you know,
we saw it happen with Patrick Mahomes a couple of
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years ago. They sort of moved into the Mahomes two
point zero era when they they traded Tyreek hillaway and
they've won two Super Bowls in the two years since.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Josh Allen, same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We've gone through those names, Colin Michael Hide, Jordan Ployer,
Tredavious White, Stefan Diggs, Mitch Morris, all those guys are
on one off season and Josh Allen now has the
Bills at eight and two and having beaten the Chiefs
at home. So you know, like your big question is
going to be going forward, whether or not brock Purty
can be that guy.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
For you Now, the Niners, you know, have been preparing
to pay him.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
They still have another year left on on his contract
after this one, so they could go into the contract year.
But we saw how complicated that guy in the past,
with guys like Kirk Cousins and Dak so you know,
the plan all along has been to pay him, and
during the twenty twenty five offseason, I don't have any
indication they've moved off of it, but certainly the implication
of that again sort of relates to the question of
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whether or not brock Purty can be the guy that
Josh Allen has been for the Bills this year and
getting to I think I had the record that wrong there.
I think it's nine to two, not eight and two.
Whether or not, you know, he can be to the
Niners what Patrick Mahomes has been to the Chiefs the
last three years since straight and tire.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, we said owners are getting more impulsive. I wouldn't
have Fiver fired Robert Solid. They did firing a general
manager before Thanksgiving, Joe Douglas, who yes, he missed during
the COVID era on a quarterback. That quarterback class ended
up being a bunch of whiffs, So I don't think
that's a fireable offense. I know Makai Beckton didn't work out,
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but he's got a lot of hips. But why what
led to Joe Douglas getting fired this early?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Was the line for Belichick? Was it ready fire?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Aim?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Right? Is that it?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It just feels like that's where the organization is and
has been. And I can give you a million examples
of the decision making being scattershot and all over the
place and one thing not lining up with the other.
And that's how this entire year's gone. And it's the
way the Jets have operated for a long time before
being honest about it. There's an ownership problem there, and
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how the owner runs the team is an issue. The
people who've worked there over the years have always felt
like he's got this crew of non football people around
him that are way too involved in football decision making.
He's too sensitive to what said on social media, and
every new general manager and every new coach that goes
in there believes I'm going to be the one that
fixes it. I'm going to be the one that changes
the culture. And we've even heard Aaron Rodgers himself complain
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about this. You know about the climate in that building,
and it came to get two more guys this season.
And if you want to talk about the timing of it, Colin,
well think about this.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay. So DeVante Adams was clearly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Available earlier in the season, and yet the Jets hadn't
made a hard offer until they after they fired Robert Salah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Right, So you're two and three in that point.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
At that point you fire Robert Saala, you're playing for
first place in the division. After you fire Sala, that's
when you make the move to go and get DeVante Adams, right, Like, So,
how does any of that matchup? You weren't in on
him at all before, or you at least not been
involved enough to make an offer, bef and now all
of a sudden, you're willing to give up a third
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round pick that can become a second round pick to
get him after firing a coach.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Is that a football move?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Or is that about changing some.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Sort of narratives that's out there or just making people
in the building feel better? Like it's scattershot, it's all
over the place, And I think that's where this is.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I think Joe Douglas for some time has been resigned
to his fate. People who have been around him say
that about him, that he was in a pretty dark
place after Robert Sala was fired. And you know, I
think pretty clearly the problems here are much bigger than
one person. And so is it weird timing? Is this
all a little bizarre? Sure it is, but that's what
the Jets have been for some time.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There would be a market. Sam Darnold's going to have
a market, Aaron will probably have a market. Daniel Jones
will land somewhere. That's a very weak quarterback class. I
want to ask you about Dionda Dallas. So listen. The
Kansas City Chiefs, Now, it's official. Like the last fifty
highest readed NFL games, the Chiefs have been in the
majority of them. They are now America's team. They win,
they're more fun. They've got the likable Andy Reid, They've
(06:06):
got the amazing Taylor Swift, they got Mahomes and Kelsey.
They are the big brand in the NFL. And I
think the organization needs an absolute shot of adrenaline. It
needs a B twelve shot times one thousand. I do
think if should her, if Dallas loses to Washington this weekend,
will and of the Giants, which is possible at home
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on Thanksgiving. You start looking at these schedules, they could
end up with a number one pick. I think they're
gonna I'm dead serious. I think they're gonna draft Shadoor Sanders.
They'll have to pay Dak's contract, but Dak at that number,
I just think the organization needs a rock star coach
and a rock star quarterback to get out of this mess.
Does that sound crazy to you? What do you hear?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I mean they definitely dragged their feet on the Dak
contract and they wound up paying the price for it
as they did the first time around. So the idea
of resetting a quarterbacks certainly something that's I'm up in
that organization while Dak Prescott's been there, so like, I
don't think you're completely coming out of left field to
have that opinion. I would say this, if you're going
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to draft a quarterback that high, Colin, I just like,
I think part of the lure of drafting a quarterback
that high is having the advantage of having the guy
in a rookie deal and with Dak's number being what
it is and the cap implications being what they are,
you'd basically be taking that advantage that you would have
in building around should Do or Sanders and cutting.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It off at the knees.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Now, if you tell me like over the next couple
of years there's going to be a gradual move off
of Dak Prescott, I could buy that, I think in
this one year snapshot, unless you think Shador is super
duper special, and you know, the feedback I'm getting is
that he's a good not great prospect that I just
don't know that the juice is worth the squeeze here. Now,
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if it's part of landing Deon Sanders, maybe that's something
a little bit different, because you know, it looks pretty
clear now that they're going to be looking for their
next head coach, and I think they will cast a
wide net, you know, just as far as like looking
at different ideas and different things to fill that and
Dion I think, like I mean, look like I think
he would need strong infrastructure around him, Like I think
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he would need a strong group of assistant coaches around him.
And after some of the things that happened in Colorado
the last couple of years. Is he going to be
able to attract that kind of stuff. I think that's
an open question because he did make some staff changes
on the fly, you know, as he was building that
thing up. But if you feel like he can put
the right staff around him to win at the NFL level, well,
I mean, you know, like a lot of the reasons
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why Dan Campbell succeeded, which are like his ability to
capture the imagination of the young player and emphasize fundamentals
and build an old school culture like Deon's done a
lot of those things, you know at Colorado, And I
think he would have immediately have the attention of everybody
in that building. And I and I would agree with
you on this, like that was an ugly night on
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Monday for Dallas. I mean, I don't think the Texans
even played that well. I think the Texans would tell
you they didn't play that well, and they still won
by twenty four points.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And that was on national TV.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you and I both know Jerry pays attention to
that part of it. And I mean, a piece of
metal fell from the roof, for Christ's sake, you know,
so you know, I certainly think that that that was
the sort of night that probably you know, guess the
wheels and Jerry's head.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Turning on where he's going. In twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, Caleb Williams last four games ozhing four no touchdowns,
no picks. He's eliminated some of the mistakes. Shane Waldron's exit.
Actually they schemed up some layup passes. The pacing was better,
got rid of the ball quickly. It looked better. Where
are they on Caleb Williams, What do you think? Where
do you think they are on this whole experiment year one?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think like they are where they were two weeks ago,
you know, which is you know, he's not as far
along as they would have hoped at this point, and
a huge part of that is coming from where he
came from, which you know, look like you know, just
using cadence as a weapon, being able to make protection
adjustments at the line, being able to make round adjustments
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at the line, commanding the huddle, like all those things.
There's a big learning curve for Caleb Williams there, and
that's not really his fault because he wasn't really asked
to do those things, you know a usc and so
I think, like what you saw on some of the
effort that was made was like, let's make things easier
on him from the start, and under Shane Waldron, a
(10:39):
lot of that stuff wasn't working. It was, well, why
don't we roll him out and get the ball out
of his hand faster.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, if you do that, then you're.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Taking his playmaking ability away because you're cutting off half
the field. Okay, Well if we drop him off, if
we drop him back, like, can we you know, create
situations where he is going to be unloading the ball
faster than that? Well, you know, like you saw in
certain circumstances who was off his first read too quick
and that would come up and so he wasn't being
patient enough. He was, you know, like he in other
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in other cases he hung on too long to his
first read. He wasn't throwing the guys who were NFL
open because they weren't college open, you know, they're all
those sorts of things happening, and I just think they
had to sort of restore confidence in him and having
a different voice, I think, and Thomas Brown helped, you know,
using the screen game helped, and getting him in a
position where it's like, okay, like if this isn't there, just.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Tuck it and run. That helped too. So I think
it was a good short term solution.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Whether it's sustainable for the rest of the year, you know,
certainly is an open question.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But but but going forward, I think, you know, they
they've got to draw this roadmap for Caleb Williams, whether
it's Mattieberflus and his staff in charge or someone else
as if you know, there still is a long way
to go, because that's the reality of the situation.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What are they gonna do.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I wanna talk Russell Wilson for a second. You know,
they're paying a nickel for him, and let's face it,
he doesn't turn the ball over. I mean, he's hyper optimistic.
This is the most deep ball friendly the offense has
looked in three years, and they've got, you know, Mike
(12:14):
Williams and Pickens. He's a pretty darn good fit for
a team the last couple of years with Ben Trubisky,
Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph it was kind of a mess.
Would they resign him? I mean, they got him free
this year. Do you think they would sign him and
secure him for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I don't think it's gonna happen right now, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I think it's based on the toll age has taken
on him athletically. I think they would much rather see
the way the rest of the year plays out and
make a determination after that. Now, I will say, like
I think, like you know, again, his ability to buy
into what they're doing with him is really a huge
(13:01):
part of what's made this work. And I think a
lot of the hard one on one conversations he and
Arthur Smith have had in making this work and the
hard truths that that that they've been over have been
huge for him, you know. And so I think he
understands now what he needs to be to make this work.
And there's a lot of the stuff that that that
he did well in Seattle, and so he's not going
(13:23):
to you know, drop back and have the whole field
open to him. They're going to roll him out and
move him and marry the run game to the passing
game and try to get the ball out of his
hands quick like. All those things have worked for him.
You know, I think if you're talking about re signing him,
then you know, we're talking about what he's going to
look like at thirty seven years old, what he's going
to look like at.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And I think that the Steelers would probably rather get
a full look of what a full season at thirty
six years old looks with him in there, you know,
before they wind up making any sort.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Of move for the future on signing him long term
and quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It certainly been a good story, all right, Albert Brer
Monday morning. Quarterback is always good seeing you, Biden.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
All right, thanks, con Did.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You notice j Mac I did not ask him about
bow knicks, because you get all sensitive when I like
to remind America that I think Sean Payton, and I'm
dead serious. I think he thinks he got the best
quarterback in the draft. And I'm not just saying that,
you know, I know Sean. I like Sean. I absolutely
believe he told me he thinks his arms better than
(14:30):
all the pundits think. We know he's athletic, He's way
more athletic. His accuracy was great high school, college pros.
Dad was a coach. I think Denver's got themselves a
little Drew Brees.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
What's interesting is like, Okay, he had a great week
against the Falcons. We get it, they stink, but he's
getting accolades from all corners. Right now, you're leading the charge.
Let's see how he performs against the Raiders. I think
they got the Raiders this week. Right, Let's see if
there's any regression or he maybe doesn't show.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I haven't haven't been much of that in the last
five six weeks.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, we'll see if there is this week. Drake mayor Bonnicks,
Bo Nicks?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, j mank with the news. No, this is the
you know we should do that. We should do that
game that drives people now that the bon Knicks or Blank. Yeah,
I don't mind being wrong on that, bow Knicks or Blank.
I think we got a window tomorrow we could probably
squeeze that. How about bow or no Bo?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
That could work. Look at you right in the headlines now,
impress it. So listen. I know I'm a Giants hater
because I like the Jets, but you will like this.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
So the Giants have officially benched Daniel Jones in favor
of backup well third stringer Tommy DeVito, and they got
the bucks this week. Well, Dexter Lawrence was not a
fan of the move, Colin saying Jones is the best
quarterback on the team, adding teams lose games, not just
one player. So there's now dissension among the ranks in
the locker room. Jordan Schultz has chimed in, saying there
(16:00):
is disappointment among Giants players about how the Daniel Jones
situation unfolded.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
The players are aware that the benching was a financial decision.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Colin, Joe Shane, and Brian Dable continue to step in it.
We'll see, we'll see what's going on. I guarantee you
Jones does not take another step this season. I will
make They added Tim Boyle. By the way, did you
see that they added Tim Boyle? So they have four quarterbacks.
Daniel Jones is like the emergency, only super duper emergency
quarterback at this point.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, they're seasons over. Yeah, But unlike the Jets, I
think they have a coach for the future, and he's
an offensive one. They have a left tackle for the future.
The Jets don't. They have a superstar number one receiver.
The Jets don't did yet do Garrett Wilson, He's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Britz Hall number one running back, DeVante Adams still pretty
darn good.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Don't have a coach, don't have a left tackle. For
the future, we're shopping for coaches. We got Thiebadel on
the edge. Dexter Lawrence was the govern.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Off IR this week. He sure Brian Davile is gonna
survive this.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, will go ahead. I mean, you know what's amazing
about this Everybody always worries in like baseball, about oh
the big markets, and in the NBA, it's all the
stars only go to the big cities. The New York
teams are terrible. They're the worst. Chicago terrible. I mean,
like they've been out. It's really funny about the NFL.
It's like, you know who's good, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City,
(17:23):
Green Bay. What's great about the NFL is nobody cares
about market size. Anybody can win. Green Bay has been better.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I mean, if you looked the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Last thirty years, the winningest teams, it's crazy are Baltimore,
Green Bay, Kansas City. Philadelphia is a big market, but
New England was a dead franchise pre Brady and that's
gonna go downhill. But it's a lot of these Baltimore,
Kansas City, Green Bays.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
So who you got in Bucks at Giants Giants five
and a half.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'll take the bucks.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I may appear Friday like the Bucks. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I know you're not picking the Giants. You haven't
picked him in three years on this show, and he
knows something. Kid's time that Tommy DeVito. No, I gotta
be honest with you. I thought that story was hilarious. Yeah,
it may not have been interesting in Jacksonville, you know,
or or Minnesota. So there was something about Tommy DeVito
and his agent in New York that was such great TV.
(18:23):
And I thought he could play a little bit. I
thought he was okay.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
They took down the Packers on Monday Night Football, he
was okay.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Kevin Stefanski, colin coming off his second NFL Coach of the.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Year award, But they are a train wreck right now.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
The Browns are two and eight, and there's some chatter
about whether or not Stefanski.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Is on the hot seat. I'm curious what you where
you think, But Here's what Stefanski had to say about that.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Who you grew up listen under w ip just end
up two and eight. Your name's shown up on hot seat.
Let's I'm gonna be here. How do you feel going
into this rest draft stretch of Pittsburgh, Denver, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think probably because I grew up listening to that.
I'm smart enough to not worry about outside noise. I
get that's part of this gig. That's life in the
big city. My sole focus is getting this team ready
to get a win on Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, they've had Schottenheimer and Belichick and they weren't satisfied
with either. Now they have Stefan. Cleveland's got a way
up missing on quarterbacks and running off legendary coach.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
I would take Stefan's getting a heart one second instantly,
like bring him in the interview, dawn in the facility.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Second.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, he's a great.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Coach, outstanding. Well, you know what, this is what Cleveland does.
They had Marty, didn't have Marty shot Nimber for a while,
I swear they did probably yeah, yeah, And they had
they had Belichick. They did have Belichick, could have had
my Holmes.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
They also had the Freddy kitchens.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Remember this didn't work out Freddy bathrooms. Boy.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah, sorry, sorry that was hard. That was unnecessary. That's
a yellow card for me. Final story is, let's go
to the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Cleveland Cabs were hot fifteen and oh well, they went
to Boston last night was a pretty good game and
they lost My guy Jason Tatum who you now love?
Right Jason Tatum MVP type night thirty three, twelve and seven.
Cavs get their first loss of the year. Cabs still
showed well, they were down twenty one. I like an
idiot bet this game and the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't care what anybody says. I like these colored
courts in season tournament. I think they look great.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
My daughter was watching Lakers game with me last night.
She said, why does the court yell at what's going on?
I was like, it's the NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think it's a great idea. I like it does
make it feel special.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Definitely. It's smart marketing by the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
If you put the Masters on some course in you know,
some suburb course in Wyoming, it wouldn't feel as special
as AUGUSTA environment matters, yeah, you know, and I'm sorry,
but when I watched these NBA games in the courts colored,
I'm like, oh, this this game matters, single elimination NBA Cup,
I gotta watch it.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Calves actually look pretty good. Donovan Mitchell's machine.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
This caves See might be the third best team in
the They are Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Knicks, Calves. I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Bucks and Sixers have fallen off.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well. The Bucks was predictable because of their age. The
Sixers dysfunction.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
I'm watching that get closely enough.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
I mean, listen Man two and eleven, Maxie calling out Embid.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
There's some fun stuff going on there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know it's bad because you and I shouldn't root
for dysfunction. It should make me feel like less of
a person, but it doesn't. I find myself rooting for
tire fires.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Hey, you want to come into work and know, oh,
there's a couple of tire fires here.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I can Cheerry pick it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I mean, everybody else drives down the road, you see
an accident, as long as everybody's okay, you kind of
look over there a little bit. In sports, we're kind of,
you know, as long as nobody's hurt you're kind of
looking over there going. But boy, and Philadelphia's got all
the makings of you have a star. He's jawn at fans,
he gets a lot of money, he's getting defensive. A teammate,
you know, pushes back on him. Like. It's got all
(22:03):
the dimensions. It checks all the box of a massive mess,
whereas like Milwaukee's just old. Yeah, that's not a mess,
that's just and I can see men making a move,
but that's not Milwaukee's not fascinatings. They just got old
over the last time.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I was just thinking, a lot of the messes are
in big markets.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
The Jets are a mess in New York, the New
York Giants are ocause the media.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
The media is louder. Yes, Like I've always said, the
advantage LA teams are pretty good. I mean, everybody bangs
on USC, but they'll make a bowl, you know. I mean,
the Rams and the Chargers are viable teams. The Lakers
look like one of the hot teams in the league.
And one of the advantages I think in Los Angeles
is the media. For a large market, media is less angry. Well,
(22:45):
I mean, I've always theorized that some of its weather
it's hard to be angry in Los Angeles. It's seventy
three degrees mostly.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Not not the last week, but yes, mostly it's the
weather street and it's.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
A city that's spread out, so you can go hide
and do your own thing.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
And no reason to be angry out here.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Just get very laid back and chill. California cool guys,
by the way. Marty Schottenneimer, of course, did coach with
the Browns. Well had a winning record, which was hard
in Cleveland. They ran him out. Stefanski's a two time
coach of the Year with the Browns. If they ran
him out, he would be hired in fifteen seconds. I
had a boss years ago that used to have a theory.
It was a news boss right when I used to
work in local news, and he always used to say,
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you always know when you have to let people go.
You will know within a week if it's a good move,
because if somebody hires them, you're like, yeah, I made
a mistake. Somebody hired him, and he goes, he goes,
Usually he goes. In my career, I've made one mistake
where I let somebody go, and I remember he told
me it was a weather guy. He ended up going
across the street and doing a really nice job for
them for ten years. He goes. But generally, if I
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let somebody go, ask yourself, as a boss, will he
get hired elsewhere? If the answer is yes, Trolley, you
know you want to as a coach, Stefanski, make it work?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I got it.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
That just made me think about.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Something maybe and say we don't like the dB coach
make it work.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Well, I'm gonna ask you, do you think Stefanski maybe
wouldn't mind getting fired in Cleveland? Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I would?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I think it.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
I mean it's de Shaan Watson things. Is he coming back?
Who's your guy next year? Is it Winston? I there
might not be the worst thing.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
In the world to get fired, Like Robert sala Is
probably like enjoying his November, right.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know what's funny about that? Dealing with this crap
in the NFL. You think certain jobs they sound big
New York Jets, terrible job, Dallas Cowboys. I'm stuck with
Dack's ninety million dollar cap hit next year. So a
lot of these jobs. Whereas you look at Denver and
although the Russell Wilson dead cap wasn't great, you have
now the richest owners in the league. They're not real medalers.
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I like their general manager. I think he does a
good job and you had the best corner in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Is that GM the same one who gave Russell Wilson
that well, people make mistakes?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh yeah, interesting, Yeah, you know we judge people too often.
On on the floor, look at the ceiling. Yeah, he's
hit some big hits. I can pick apart elon Musk,
but it seems to me. Can you please love PayPal starlink?
Pretty successful, pretty high ceiling. Yeah, j maak with the news.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
News man, you I can tell you, Saith. I know
you own some like a soccer team or something in
Peru or something.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Whatever it is, Mexico things, whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I wouldn't want to be a coach for your team.
You go on a two games skit on the road,
you're losing a shootout, Boom out of here, no, mom,
get rid of him.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
We did just fire the coach, I think exactly. Well, no, no,
they cratered at the end of the season. We missed
the play crater.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But what's crater looked like to not scoring.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
And go w listen like soccer not scoring. That's kind
of a big deal in soccer. If you don't score,
you're not winning.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The average soccer game is one nothing.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Can I get the one nothing wins as opposed to
the one nothing losses?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
All about making the playoffs? You know that.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm telling you, deon to Dallas. It's percolating. Back in
a second.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
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Speaker 1 (26:11):
By the way, speaking of small markets in the NFL,
that flourish Buffalo in Kansas City this weekend got thirty
one and a half million viewers. Small market Buffalo, small
market Kansas City. Doesn't matter how much money you have
in baseball like that in NBA, it's got to be
an attractive market. Buffalo in Kansas City. People don't vacation
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in those markets very often. People fly over those markets sometimes. Buffalo,
Kansas City. Great fans, great markets, star quarterbacks. Thirty one million.
That's amazing and it points to what we really do
believe about the NFL. They're not salary reliant or city reliant.
It's just get me a great quarterback, give them a
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good coach America is gonna watch. Doesn't matter what size
of the city it is. It doesn't matter. Joel Clatt
earlier today, I said, listen. Joel Clatt went to Colorado.
DEM's the coach at Colorado, and I asked him about
potentially the Cowboys hiring primetime.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
I asked him point blank last week on Friday, do
you want to go to the NFL? He said no,
and he said, my purpose is to be a coach,
but it is more.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So to mentor young men.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
And I don't believe I could do that as my
calling and my purpose at the NFL level, that I
can like I can do that at the college level.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well, he's right, you don't have the pull. But
I do think. I will say this, I used to
always think that it was just as good to be
a college coach as a pro coach, even if you
made a little less money. I thought you could control
your personnel, you get time off in the summer. But
about seven eight years ago, they created maybe it was
(27:57):
ten years ago, a second signing period. Well you're recruiting NonStop,
and now the transfer portal. Now you're recruiting your own players.
So I think the pendulum has swung so far the
other way, from players having no power to probably now
having more power than pro football players. That you can
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transfer any time you want or mostly anytime you want,
so I don't think the experience, the quality of life
is as good as a college football coach as it
is in the NFL. The NFL also has tremendous pensions.
College football doesn't right unless you get like a state pension.
Some coaches do get that. Mike Bloody at Oregon, I
(28:39):
think has that unless you get a state pension. So
the NFL coaches make a little more. You don't have
to deal with donors, school presidents. The NCAA and now
NFL coaches get a good month to five weeks where
they can just relax with their family. College football is brutal.
You are recruiting your own players. You can lose, your
(29:01):
entire offensive line can transfer tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's why I think it's harder to build a great
team in college football, even if you're Georgia or Texas,
because you can't have any depth. Like Georgia has offensive
line injuries or Ohio State has offensive line injuries. You
don't have any depth because the offensive tackle, the backup
left tackle. Louisville comes in and buys him. What are
you gonna do? I mean, or you know, Washington comes
(29:29):
in and buys him. Syracuse buys your quarterback. All of
a sudden, you're like, we got no depth. So I
think it's for Ohio State. And I think Jim Harbaugh
saw this and got to the NFL. It is really
hard in college football, even Alabama Texas to have great depth.
Four and five star guys at Texas are sitting behind
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four and five star guys. They're not gonna sit there
for three years. They don't even want to sit there
for one year. So like at Alabama, I mean, if
you're a five star corner and you're getting major reps
by the time you were a sophomore, boom, You're you're leaving.
You're going somewhere else. Somebody's paying you four hundred thousand dollars.
So I think I just think it's harder. You can
(30:11):
still win a bunch of games, but George is not
a great team. Texas isn't a great team. Alabama's not
a great team. I don't think Ohio State's a great team.
I think Oregon's the best team. I don't think they're
a great team, but I think it's very, very difficult.
Coaches are walking on eggshells. You want to get a
rotation so everybody plays, but the minute there's difficulty. So
and I like the NIL and I like the transfer portal.
(30:32):
I just think it swung too much the other way.
And this is what happens with the pendulum in life.
Is that. I mean, when I used to work in
local news, we'd have a real harsh news director and
you know, it's kind of intimidating and fire people and
that would wear the newsroom out. And then five years
later we would swing too much and you'd hire the
nice guy and everybody liked him, but he was like
(30:52):
the substitute teacher, and you needed the old guy kind
of back. And that's the way business works. The pendulum
goes back and for so players had no power. Now
they have too much power. The transfer portals the wild
wild West, the NIL is. I mean, these college coaches
are trying to be capologists and gms and they're just
over their skis. They don't know what they're doing. All right,
(31:15):
Prime time to the cowboys, Let's speak it into existence.
That'd be fun. Get the Cowboys back on the national radar.
I want to thank Joel Klatt, Albert Breer, We'll see
you tomorrow. Be safe. Live in Los Angeles. First things
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. So there's a lot of
things to talk about. One of the things Jamack and
I were arguing about yesterday has had brought purty secured
a contract for the forty nine ers because this is
getting to be an old, brittle team and they're going
to move off some people. Now you've got to pay
brock perty or will they Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback
(00:42):
joining us now live, So let's start with that. You know,
when do they have to pay him? And as your feeling,
he has earned a contract because these are big decisions
for an older team now where that salary cap, they're
going to have to move off guys like potentially Kittle,
who's still a very good player.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and they've they've certainly mortgaged contracts. We see teams
do this when they're in the window to win, where
you know, over the next couple of years, there's probably
going to have to be a reset year where they
just take their medicine and and there's going to be
a hole in the roster because because they are moving
off some of those guys. So you know, certainly, like
(01:23):
with your Kittles, with your Deebo Samuels, with your Trent Williams, age,
mileage comes into play, and yeah, I mean like then
the question becomes, okay, like can we move into this
next phase with Brock Purdy able to be the guy
who can fix things, who can fill holes? And you know,
we saw it happen with Patrick Mahomes a couple of
(01:43):
years ago. They sort of moved into the Mahomes two
point zero era when they they traded Tyreek hillaway and
they've won two Super Bowls in the two years since.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Josh Allen, same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We've gone through those names, Colin Michael Hide, Jordan Ployer,
Tredavious White, Stefan Diggs, Mitch Morris, all those guys are
on one off season and Josh Allen now has the
Bills at eight and two and having beaten the Chiefs
at home. So you know, like your big question is
going to be going forward, whether or not brock Purty
can be that guy.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
For you Now, the Niners, you know, have been preparing
to pay him.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
They still have another year left on on his contract
after this one, so they could go into the contract year.
But we saw how complicated that guy in the past,
with guys like Kirk Cousins and Dak so you know,
the plan all along has been to pay him, and
during the twenty twenty five offseason, I don't have any
indication they've moved off of it, but certainly the implication
of that again sort of relates to the question of
(02:41):
whether or not brock Purty can be the guy that
Josh Allen has been for the Bills this year and
getting to I think I had the record that wrong there.
I think it's nine to two, not eight and two.
Whether or not, you know, he can be to the
Niners what Patrick Mahomes has been to the Chiefs the
last three years since straight and tire.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Okay, we said owners are getting more impulsive. I wouldn't
have Fiver fired Robert Solid. They did firing a general
manager before Thanksgiving, Joe Douglas, who yes, he missed during
the COVID era on a quarterback. That quarterback class ended
up being a bunch of whiffs, So I don't think
that's a fireable offense. I know Makai Beckton didn't work out,
(03:19):
but he's got a lot of hips. But why what
led to Joe Douglas getting fired this early?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Was the line for Belichick? Was it ready fire?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Aim?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Right? Is that it?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It just feels like that's where the organization is and
has been. And I can give you a million examples
of the decision making being scattershot and all over the
place and one thing not lining up with the other.
And that's how this entire year's gone. And it's the
way the Jets have operated for a long time before
being honest about it. There's an ownership problem there, and
(03:54):
how the owner runs the team is an issue. The
people who've worked there over the years have always felt
like he's got this crew of non football people around
him that are way too involved in football decision making.
He's too sensitive to what said on social media, and
every new general manager and every new coach that goes
in there believes I'm going to be the one that
fixes it. I'm going to be the one that changes
the culture. And we've even heard Aaron Rodgers himself complain
(04:17):
about this. You know about the climate in that building,
and it came to get two more guys this season.
And if you want to talk about the timing of it, Colin,
well think about this.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay. So DeVante Adams was clearly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Available earlier in the season, and yet the Jets hadn't
made a hard offer until they after they fired Robert Salah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Right, So you're two and three in that point.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
At that point you fire Robert Saala, you're playing for
first place in the division. After you fire Sala, that's
when you make the move to go and get DeVante Adams, right, Like, So,
how does any of that matchup? You weren't in on
him at all before, or you at least not been
involved enough to make an offer, bef and now all
of a sudden, you're willing to give up a third
(05:02):
round pick that can become a second round pick to
get him after firing a coach.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Is that a football move?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Or is that about changing some.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Sort of narratives that's out there or just making people
in the building feel better? Like it's scattershot, it's all
over the place, And I think that's where this is.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I think Joe Douglas for some time has been resigned
to his fate. People who have been around him say
that about him, that he was in a pretty dark
place after Robert Sala was fired. And you know, I
think pretty clearly the problems here are much bigger than
one person. And so is it weird timing? Is this
all a little bizarre? Sure it is, but that's what
the Jets have been for some time.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
There would be a market. Sam Darnold's going to have
a market, Aaron will probably have a market. Daniel Jones
will land somewhere. That's a very weak quarterback class. I
want to ask you about Dionda Dallas. So listen. The
Kansas City Chiefs, Now, it's official. Like the last fifty
highest readed NFL games, the Chiefs have been in the
majority of them. They are now America's team. They win,
they're more fun. They've got the likable Andy Reid, They've
(06:06):
got the amazing Taylor Swift, they got Mahomes and Kelsey.
They are the big brand in the NFL. And I
think the organization needs an absolute shot of adrenaline. It
needs a B twelve shot times one thousand. I do
think if should her, if Dallas loses to Washington this weekend,
will and of the Giants, which is possible at home
(06:26):
on Thanksgiving. You start looking at these schedules, they could
end up with a number one pick. I think they're
gonna I'm dead serious. I think they're gonna draft Shadoor Sanders.
They'll have to pay Dak's contract, but Dak at that number,
I just think the organization needs a rock star coach
and a rock star quarterback to get out of this mess.
Does that sound crazy to you? What do you hear?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I mean they definitely dragged their feet on the Dak
contract and they wound up paying the price for it
as they did the first time around. So the idea
of resetting a quarterbacks certainly something that's I'm up in
that organization while Dak Prescott's been there, so like, I
don't think you're completely coming out of left field to
have that opinion. I would say this, if you're going
(07:10):
to draft a quarterback that high, Colin, I just like,
I think part of the lure of drafting a quarterback
that high is having the advantage of having the guy
in a rookie deal and with Dak's number being what
it is and the cap implications being what they are,
you'd basically be taking that advantage that you would have
in building around should Do or Sanders and cutting.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It off at the knees.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Now, if you tell me like over the next couple
of years there's going to be a gradual move off
of Dak Prescott, I could buy that, I think in
this one year snapshot, unless you think Shador is super
duper special, and you know, the feedback I'm getting is
that he's a good not great prospect that I just
don't know that the juice is worth the squeeze here. Now,
(07:54):
if it's part of landing Deon Sanders, maybe that's something
a little bit different, because you know, it looks pretty
clear now that they're going to be looking for their
next head coach, and I think they will cast a
wide net, you know, just as far as like looking
at different ideas and different things to fill that and
Dion I think, like I mean, look like I think
he would need strong infrastructure around him, Like I think
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he would need a strong group of assistant coaches around him.
And after some of the things that happened in Colorado
the last couple of years. Is he going to be
able to attract that kind of stuff. I think that's
an open question because he did make some staff changes
on the fly, you know, as he was building that
thing up. But if you feel like he can put
the right staff around him to win at the NFL level, well,
I mean, you know, like a lot of the reasons
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why Dan Campbell succeeded, which are like his ability to
capture the imagination of the young player and emphasize fundamentals
and build an old school culture like Deon's done a
lot of those things, you know at Colorado, And I
think he would have immediately have the attention of everybody
in that building. And I and I would agree with
you on this, like that was an ugly night on
(09:00):
Monday for Dallas. I mean, I don't think the Texans
even played that well. I think the Texans would tell
you they didn't play that well, and they still won
by twenty four points.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And that was on national TV.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And you and I both know Jerry pays attention to
that part of it. And I mean, a piece of
metal fell from the roof, for Christ's sake, you know,
so you know, I certainly think that that that was
the sort of night that probably you know, guess the
wheels and Jerry's head.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Turning on where he's going. In twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, Caleb Williams last four games ozhing four no touchdowns,
no picks. He's eliminated some of the mistakes. Shane Waldron's exit.
Actually they schemed up some layup passes. The pacing was better,
got rid of the ball quickly. It looked better. Where
are they on Caleb Williams, What do you think? Where
do you think they are on this whole experiment year one?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think like they are where they were two weeks ago,
you know, which is you know, he's not as far
along as they would have hoped at this point, and
a huge part of that is coming from where he
came from, which you know, look like you know, just
using cadence as a weapon, being able to make protection
adjustments at the line, being able to make round adjustments
(10:19):
at the line, commanding the huddle, like all those things.
There's a big learning curve for Caleb Williams there, and
that's not really his fault because he wasn't really asked
to do those things, you know a usc and so
I think, like what you saw on some of the
effort that was made was like, let's make things easier
on him from the start, and under Shane Waldron, a
(10:39):
lot of that stuff wasn't working. It was, well, why
don't we roll him out and get the ball out
of his hand faster.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, if you do that, then you're.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Taking his playmaking ability away because you're cutting off half
the field. Okay, Well if we drop him off, if
we drop him back, like, can we you know, create
situations where he is going to be unloading the ball
faster than that? Well, you know, like you saw in
certain circumstances who was off his first read too quick
and that would come up and so he wasn't being
patient enough. He was, you know, like he in other
(11:06):
in other cases he hung on too long to his
first read. He wasn't throwing the guys who were NFL
open because they weren't college open, you know, they're all
those sorts of things happening, and I just think they
had to sort of restore confidence in him and having
a different voice, I think, and Thomas Brown helped, you know,
using the screen game helped, and getting him in a
position where it's like, okay, like if this isn't there, just.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Tuck it and run. That helped too. So I think
it was a good short term solution.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Whether it's sustainable for the rest of the year, you know,
certainly is an open question.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But but but going forward, I think, you know, they
they've got to draw this roadmap for Caleb Williams, whether
it's Mattieberflus and his staff in charge or someone else
as if you know, there still is a long way
to go, because that's the reality of the situation.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What are they gonna do.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I wanna talk Russell Wilson for a second. You know,
they're paying a nickel for him, and let's face it,
he doesn't turn the ball over. I mean, he's hyper optimistic.
This is the most deep ball friendly the offense has
looked in three years, and they've got, you know, Mike
(12:14):
Williams and Pickens. He's a pretty darn good fit for
a team the last couple of years with Ben Trubisky,
Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph it was kind of a mess.
Would they resign him? I mean, they got him free
this year. Do you think they would sign him and
secure him for a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I don't think it's gonna happen right now, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I think it's based on the toll age has taken
on him athletically. I think they would much rather see
the way the rest of the year plays out and
make a determination after that. Now, I will say, like
I think, like you know, again, his ability to buy
into what they're doing with him is really a huge
(13:01):
part of what's made this work. And I think a
lot of the hard one on one conversations he and
Arthur Smith have had in making this work and the
hard truths that that that they've been over have been
huge for him, you know. And so I think he
understands now what he needs to be to make this work.
And there's a lot of the stuff that that that
he did well in Seattle, and so he's not going
(13:23):
to you know, drop back and have the whole field
open to him. They're going to roll him out and
move him and marry the run game to the passing
game and try to get the ball out of his
hands quick like. All those things have worked for him.
You know, I think if you're talking about re signing him,
then you know, we're talking about what he's going to
look like at thirty seven years old, what he's going
to look like at.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And I think that the Steelers would probably rather get
a full look of what a full season at thirty
six years old looks with him in there, you know,
before they wind up making any sort.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Of move for the future on signing him long term
and quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It certainly been a good story, all right, Albert Brer
Monday morning. Quarterback is always good seeing you, Biden.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
All right, thanks, con Did.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You notice j Mac I did not ask him about
bow knicks, because you get all sensitive when I like
to remind America that I think Sean Payton, and I'm
dead serious. I think he thinks he got the best
quarterback in the draft. And I'm not just saying that,
you know, I know Sean. I like Sean. I absolutely
believe he told me he thinks his arms better than
(14:30):
all the pundits think. We know he's athletic, He's way
more athletic. His accuracy was great high school, college pros.
Dad was a coach. I think Denver's got themselves a
little Drew Brees.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
We'll see.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
What's interesting is like, Okay, he had a great week
against the Falcons. We get it, they stink, but he's
getting accolades from all corners. Right now, you're leading the charge.
Let's see how he performs against the Raiders. I think
they got the Raiders this week. Right, Let's see if
there's any regression or he maybe doesn't show.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I haven't haven't been much of that in the last
five six weeks.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, we'll see if there is this week. Drake mayor Bonnicks,
Bo Nicks?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, j mank with the news. No, this is the
you know we should do that. We should do that
game that drives people now that the bon Knicks or Blank. Yeah,
I don't mind being wrong on that, bow Knicks or Blank.
I think we got a window tomorrow we could probably
squeeze that. How about bow or no Bo?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
That could work. Look at you right in the headlines now,
impress it. So listen. I know I'm a Giants hater
because I like the Jets, but you will like this.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
So the Giants have officially benched Daniel Jones in favor
of backup well third stringer Tommy DeVito, and they got
the bucks this week. Well, Dexter Lawrence was not a
fan of the move, Colin saying Jones is the best
quarterback on the team, adding teams lose games, not just
one player. So there's now dissension among the ranks in
the locker room. Jordan Schultz has chimed in, saying there
(16:00):
is disappointment among Giants players about how the Daniel Jones
situation unfolded.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
The players are aware that the benching was a financial decision.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Colin, Joe Shane, and Brian Dable continue to step in it.
We'll see, we'll see what's going on. I guarantee you
Jones does not take another step this season. I will
make They added Tim Boyle. By the way, did you
see that they added Tim Boyle? So they have four quarterbacks.
Daniel Jones is like the emergency, only super duper emergency
quarterback at this point.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, they're seasons over. Yeah, But unlike the Jets, I
think they have a coach for the future, and he's
an offensive one. They have a left tackle for the future.
The Jets don't. They have a superstar number one receiver.
The Jets don't did yet do Garrett Wilson, He's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
Britz Hall number one running back, DeVante Adams still pretty
darn good.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Don't have a coach, don't have a left tackle. For
the future, we're shopping for coaches. We got Thiebadel on
the edge. Dexter Lawrence was the govern.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Off IR this week. He sure Brian Davile is gonna
survive this.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, will go ahead. I mean, you know what's amazing
about this Everybody always worries in like baseball, about oh
the big markets, and in the NBA, it's all the
stars only go to the big cities. The New York
teams are terrible. They're the worst. Chicago terrible. I mean,
like they've been out. It's really funny about the NFL.
It's like, you know who's good, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City,
(17:23):
Green Bay. What's great about the NFL is nobody cares
about market size. Anybody can win. Green Bay has been better.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I mean, if you looked the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Last thirty years, the winningest teams, it's crazy are Baltimore,
Green Bay, Kansas City. Philadelphia is a big market, but
New England was a dead franchise pre Brady and that's
gonna go downhill. But it's a lot of these Baltimore,
Kansas City, Green Bays.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
So who you got in Bucks at Giants Giants five
and a half.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I'll take the bucks.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I may appear Friday like the Bucks. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I know you're not picking the Giants. You haven't
picked him in three years on this show, and he
knows something. Kid's time that Tommy DeVito. No, I gotta
be honest with you. I thought that story was hilarious. Yeah,
it may not have been interesting in Jacksonville, you know,
or or Minnesota. So there was something about Tommy DeVito
and his agent in New York that was such great TV.
(18:23):
And I thought he could play a little bit. I
thought he was okay.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
They took down the Packers on Monday Night Football, he
was okay.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Kevin Stefanski, colin coming off his second NFL Coach of the.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Year award, But they are a train wreck right now.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
The Browns are two and eight, and there's some chatter
about whether or not Stefanski.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Is on the hot seat. I'm curious what you where
you think, But Here's what Stefanski had to say about that.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Who you grew up listen under w ip just end
up two and eight. Your name's shown up on hot seat.
Let's I'm gonna be here. How do you feel going
into this rest draft stretch of Pittsburgh, Denver, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think probably because I grew up listening to that.
I'm smart enough to not worry about outside noise. I
get that's part of this gig. That's life in the
big city. My sole focus is getting this team ready
to get a win on Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well, they've had Schottenheimer and Belichick and they weren't satisfied
with either. Now they have Stefan. Cleveland's got a way
up missing on quarterbacks and running off legendary coach.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
I would take Stefan's getting a heart one second instantly,
like bring him in the interview, dawn in the facility.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Second.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah, he's a great.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Coach, outstanding. Well, you know what, this is what Cleveland does.
They had Marty, didn't have Marty shot Nimber for a while,
I swear they did probably yeah, yeah, And they had
they had Belichick. They did have Belichick, could have had
my Holmes.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
They also had the Freddy kitchens.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Remember this didn't work out Freddy bathrooms. Boy.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah, sorry, sorry that was hard. That was unnecessary. That's
a yellow card for me. Final story is, let's go
to the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Cleveland Cabs were hot fifteen and oh well, they went
to Boston last night was a pretty good game and
they lost My guy Jason Tatum who you now love?
Right Jason Tatum MVP type night thirty three, twelve and seven.
Cavs get their first loss of the year. Cabs still
showed well, they were down twenty one. I like an
idiot bet this game and the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't care what anybody says. I like these colored
courts in season tournament. I think they look great.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
My daughter was watching Lakers game with me last night.
She said, why does the court yell at what's going on?
I was like, it's the NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think it's a great idea. I like it does
make it feel special.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Definitely. It's smart marketing by the NBA.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
If you put the Masters on some course in you know,
some suburb course in Wyoming, it wouldn't feel as special
as AUGUSTA environment matters, yeah, you know, and I'm sorry,
but when I watched these NBA games in the courts colored,
I'm like, oh, this this game matters, single elimination NBA Cup,
I gotta watch it.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Calves actually look pretty good. Donovan Mitchell's machine.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
This caves See might be the third best team in
the They are Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Knicks, Calves. I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Bucks and Sixers have fallen off.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well. The Bucks was predictable because of their age. The
Sixers dysfunction.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
I'm watching that get closely enough.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
I mean, listen Man two and eleven, Maxie calling out Embid.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
There's some fun stuff going on there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know it's bad because you and I shouldn't root
for dysfunction. It should make me feel like less of
a person, but it doesn't. I find myself rooting for
tire fires.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Hey, you want to come into work and know, oh,
there's a couple of tire fires here.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I can Cheerry pick it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I mean, everybody else drives down the road, you see
an accident, as long as everybody's okay, you kind of
look over there a little bit. In sports, we're kind of,
you know, as long as nobody's hurt you're kind of
looking over there going. But boy, and Philadelphia's got all
the makings of you have a star. He's jawn at fans,
he gets a lot of money, he's getting defensive. A teammate,
you know, pushes back on him. Like. It's got all
(22:03):
the dimensions. It checks all the box of a massive mess,
whereas like Milwaukee's just old. Yeah, that's not a mess,
that's just and I can see men making a move,
but that's not Milwaukee's not fascinatings. They just got old
over the last time.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I was just thinking, a lot of the messes are
in big markets.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
The Jets are a mess in New York, the New
York Giants are ocause the media.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
The media is louder. Yes, Like I've always said, the
advantage LA teams are pretty good. I mean, everybody bangs
on USC, but they'll make a bowl, you know. I mean,
the Rams and the Chargers are viable teams. The Lakers
look like one of the hot teams in the league.
And one of the advantages I think in Los Angeles
is the media. For a large market, media is less angry. Well,
(22:45):
I mean, I've always theorized that some of its weather
it's hard to be angry in Los Angeles. It's seventy
three degrees mostly.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Not not the last week, but yes, mostly it's the
weather street and it's.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
A city that's spread out, so you can go hide
and do your own thing.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
And no reason to be angry out here.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Just get very laid back and chill. California cool guys,
by the way. Marty Schottenneimer, of course, did coach with
the Browns. Well had a winning record, which was hard
in Cleveland. They ran him out. Stefanski's a two time
coach of the Year with the Browns. If they ran
him out, he would be hired in fifteen seconds. I
had a boss years ago that used to have a theory.
It was a news boss right when I used to
work in local news, and he always used to say,
(23:25):
you always know when you have to let people go.
You will know within a week if it's a good move,
because if somebody hires them, you're like, yeah, I made
a mistake. Somebody hired him, and he goes, he goes,
Usually he goes. In my career, I've made one mistake
where I let somebody go, and I remember he told
me it was a weather guy. He ended up going
across the street and doing a really nice job for
them for ten years. He goes. But generally, if I
(23:48):
let somebody go, ask yourself, as a boss, will he
get hired elsewhere? If the answer is yes, Trolley, you
know you want to as a coach, Stefanski, make it work?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I got it.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
That just made me think about.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Something maybe and say we don't like the dB coach
make it work.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Well, I'm gonna ask you, do you think Stefanski maybe
wouldn't mind getting fired in Cleveland? Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I would?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I think it.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
I mean it's de Shaan Watson things. Is he coming back?
Who's your guy next year? Is it Winston? I there
might not be the worst thing.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
In the world to get fired, Like Robert sala Is
probably like enjoying his November, right.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know what's funny about that? Dealing with this crap
in the NFL. You think certain jobs they sound big
New York Jets, terrible job, Dallas Cowboys. I'm stuck with
Dack's ninety million dollar cap hit next year. So a
lot of these jobs. Whereas you look at Denver and
although the Russell Wilson dead cap wasn't great, you have
now the richest owners in the league. They're not real medalers.
(24:45):
I like their general manager. I think he does a
good job and you had the best corner in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Is that GM the same one who gave Russell Wilson
that well, people make mistakes?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh yeah, interesting, Yeah, you know we judge people too often.
On on the floor, look at the ceiling. Yeah, he's
hit some big hits. I can pick apart elon Musk,
but it seems to me. Can you please love PayPal starlink?
Pretty successful, pretty high ceiling. Yeah, j maak with the news.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
News man, you I can tell you, Saith. I know
you own some like a soccer team or something in
Peru or something.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Whatever it is, Mexico things, whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I wouldn't want to be a coach for your team.
You go on a two games skit on the road,
you're losing a shootout, Boom out of here, no, mom,
get rid of him.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
We did just fire the coach, I think exactly. Well, no, no,
they cratered at the end of the season. We missed
the play crater.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But what's crater looked like to not scoring.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
And go w listen like soccer not scoring. That's kind
of a big deal in soccer. If you don't score,
you're not winning.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The average soccer game is one nothing.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Can I get the one nothing wins as opposed to
the one nothing losses?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
All about making the playoffs? You know that.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm telling you, deon to Dallas. It's percolating. Back in
a second.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
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Speaker 1 (26:11):
By the way, speaking of small markets in the NFL,
that flourish Buffalo in Kansas City this weekend got thirty
one and a half million viewers. Small market Buffalo, small
market Kansas City. Doesn't matter how much money you have
in baseball like that in NBA, it's got to be
an attractive market. Buffalo in Kansas City. People don't vacation
(26:32):
in those markets very often. People fly over those markets sometimes. Buffalo,
Kansas City. Great fans, great markets, star quarterbacks. Thirty one million.
That's amazing and it points to what we really do
believe about the NFL. They're not salary reliant or city reliant.
It's just get me a great quarterback, give them a
(26:53):
good coach America is gonna watch. Doesn't matter what size
of the city it is. It doesn't matter. Joel Clatt
earlier today, I said, listen. Joel Clatt went to Colorado.
DEM's the coach at Colorado, and I asked him about
potentially the Cowboys hiring primetime.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
I asked him point blank last week on Friday, do
you want to go to the NFL? He said no,
and he said, my purpose is to be a coach,
but it is more.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So to mentor young men.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
And I don't believe I could do that as my
calling and my purpose at the NFL level, that I
can like I can do that at the college level.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well, he's right, you don't have the pull. But
I do think. I will say this, I used to
always think that it was just as good to be
a college coach as a pro coach, even if you
made a little less money. I thought you could control
your personnel, you get time off in the summer. But
about seven eight years ago, they created maybe it was
(27:57):
ten years ago, a second signing period. Well you're recruiting NonStop,
and now the transfer portal. Now you're recruiting your own players.
So I think the pendulum has swung so far the
other way, from players having no power to probably now
having more power than pro football players. That you can
(28:17):
transfer any time you want or mostly anytime you want,
so I don't think the experience, the quality of life
is as good as a college football coach as it
is in the NFL. The NFL also has tremendous pensions.
College football doesn't right unless you get like a state pension.
Some coaches do get that. Mike Bloody at Oregon, I
(28:39):
think has that unless you get a state pension. So
the NFL coaches make a little more. You don't have
to deal with donors, school presidents. The NCAA and now
NFL coaches get a good month to five weeks where
they can just relax with their family. College football is brutal.
You are recruiting your own players. You can lose, your
(29:01):
entire offensive line can transfer tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's why I think it's harder to build a great
team in college football, even if you're Georgia or Texas,
because you can't have any depth. Like Georgia has offensive
line injuries or Ohio State has offensive line injuries. You
don't have any depth because the offensive tackle, the backup
left tackle. Louisville comes in and buys him. What are
you gonna do? I mean, or you know, Washington comes
(29:29):
in and buys him. Syracuse buys your quarterback. All of
a sudden, you're like, we got no depth. So I
think it's for Ohio State. And I think Jim Harbaugh
saw this and got to the NFL. It is really
hard in college football, even Alabama Texas to have great depth.
Four and five star guys at Texas are sitting behind
(29:49):
four and five star guys. They're not gonna sit there
for three years. They don't even want to sit there
for one year. So like at Alabama, I mean, if
you're a five star corner and you're getting major reps
by the time you were a sophomore, boom, You're you're leaving.
You're going somewhere else. Somebody's paying you four hundred thousand dollars.
So I think I just think it's harder. You can
(30:11):
still win a bunch of games, but George is not
a great team. Texas isn't a great team. Alabama's not
a great team. I don't think Ohio State's a great team.
I think Oregon's the best team. I don't think they're
a great team, but I think it's very, very difficult.
Coaches are walking on eggshells. You want to get a
rotation so everybody plays, but the minute there's difficulty. So
and I like the NIL and I like the transfer portal.
(30:32):
I just think it swung too much the other way.
And this is what happens with the pendulum in life.
Is that. I mean, when I used to work in
local news, we'd have a real harsh news director and
you know, it's kind of intimidating and fire people and
that would wear the newsroom out. And then five years
later we would swing too much and you'd hire the
nice guy and everybody liked him, but he was like
(30:52):
the substitute teacher, and you needed the old guy kind
of back. And that's the way business works. The pendulum
goes back and for so players had no power. Now
they have too much power. The transfer portals the wild
wild West, the NIL is. I mean, these college coaches
are trying to be capologists and gms and they're just
over their skis. They don't know what they're doing. All right,
(31:15):
Prime time to the cowboys, Let's speak it into existence.
That'd be fun. Get the Cowboys back on the national radar.
I want to thank Joel Klatt, Albert Breer, We'll see
you tomorrow. Be safe. Live in Los Angeles. First things
first is next. It's the hurt.
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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