November 22, 2024 • 40 mins
Thoughts on the Steelers surprising loss to the lowly Browns on Thursday Night Football
Colin thinks the Jets should consider hiring Rex Ryan as their next HC again
The season is on the line for the 49ers this weekend
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, it is a Friday, and five minutes ago it
became even a livelier Friday live in Los Angeles. It's
The Herd one hour from now, the Blazing five Picks.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,
Thanks for making that's part of your day. Just off
the top. Daniel Jones, quarterback to the New York Giants.
He wants to be released. They're gonna grant it to him,
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the New York Giants. Jmack will have this in a
Herd line news. You know, what a shot. We're just
past the halfway mark of the NFL season and the
Giants and the Jets are a circus. What a shot.
It's why the NFL is king. Big markets don't matter.
Big revenue not a thing. Green Bay, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.
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Small markets run the league, which is amazing. So the
two New York teams are a circus. We don't even
need to discuss the Jets today. But Daniel Jones has
been released. You know he wants it. They're gonna grant it.
You know, to me, he was not a first round pick,
so he kind of got there are better places to
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be as a bust in the NFL at quarterback than
New York. So it was just never meant to be.
And we'll get into that more later, but I want
to start with this. Sometimes in the NFL, the better
team doesn't always win. Last night was Pittsburgh. They're better
than Cleveland, but it's a short week, it's snowy, it's
a divisional rival. Hey, Jamis Winston can make plays, we
know that. But what makes that loss painful for the Steelers.
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This is exactly how they lose big games against top
the Belichicks and the Brady's. In the Mannings for years,
you kind of think to the better team with the
better roster, they're bigger, more physical, and then you look
up and they make bad decisions late in games, Mike
Tomlin burning a couple of timeouts. And Tomlin, for the record,
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I've defended him. I'd name him Coach of the Year.
But and I've said this many times, he's not viewed
as a scheme wizard or a chess player. Either's Dan Campbell,
and Dan Campbell's great and Mike Tomlin's got a trophy
or two. So not all these coaches are the same.
It's Hollywood. Daniel day Lewis is not the rock, and
vice versa. They both work. So Tomlin has always been
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known as more motivator than innovator, and that's always been
his thing in this team. The Steelers in Tomlin's era
have always had, you know, a very very high floor,
but a lower ceiling. I mean, hell, they lost to
the Cowboys this year, and yet they beat the Ravens,
and yet they lose to the Browns. And that's what
they've been. And this is what drives Pittsburgh Steeler fans crazy,
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is that they're always good, very high ceiling, never embarrassing.
Oh it's competent, even when that bad quarterback play. They
can make the playoffs. But you never feel they've got
the Andy Reid ceiling, or maybe the Kyle Shanahan's ceiling,
or the McVeigh ceiling, or the Peyton Manning or Tom
Brady ceiling. So and that's just the way it is.
I thought the Steelers would win it. There was four
and a half minutes left, they got a pick, they'd
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scored on touchdowns on previous drives. I thought it was
all done. But it's the kind of game where they
burned some timeouts. You don't trust their fourth down call.
And you know, this is what the Pittsburgh Steelers have become.
And I get it, like last night, they're the better team,
it's the better roster, they've got momentum. I don't necessarily
get the going to justin fields when you've got Russell Wilson,
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especially on a big third down play and then throwing
it deep and justin field in bad weather especially is
not really built for that. And maybe you only get
six or seven snaps in the game, but they don't
exactly understand the plan here. Russell Wilson was four and
oh what are you monkey in around with that stuff?
Just play Russell Wilson justin fields. Maybe there are certain
times in a clean game, not in the road, short week,
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not snowstorm, that you could play them. So you know,
Thursday Night football is about strategy. And details, and that's
not necessarily the strength of the Pittsburgh Steelers, right. They're
about motivation and physicality and toughness, and I love all
those things. I love all those things. But what makes
the Lions that love those things great is their clever
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offensive coordinator and their efficiency offensively. So Mike Tomlin on
a night he had the better team and lost was
terse after the l.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They made more plays over the course of sixty minutes
than we did. Obviously, we got to own our portions
of it. It's painful, but his life and his business.
We'll take a look at the tape and learn from it. Man,
we in to miss of some thick AFC North action
and so no rest for to wear it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, now you're still eight and three, you lead the division.
You're still the most physical team in your division. Just
let's peat Baltimore. Schedule is not easy. But you're eight
and three. You tip the cap that Jamis Winston and
David and Joku. We've said this all year. Cleveland's got talent.
Jameis Winston's talented. He's a little goofy sometimes, but he's
a talented kid. And he made a great fourth down
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play to score a touchdown and Joko with a two
point conversion was amazing. But this is what drives Steeter
fans crazy. And Julian Edelman, who is nine to zero
with the Patriots on Thursday, talks about why Tomlin specifically
has been so bad as a Thursday coach, and the
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reason being is Thursdays are different. You got to use
kind of the same plays. It's about efficiency and details.
Because your team doesn't have they don't feel good, everybody's
a little sore. Thursdays are different. Tomlin's teams struggle with it.
And here's Julian Edelman.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team with
Tom in there, not like an execution style offense. They've
never been that. I don't think I lost a Thursday
night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense,
and we were a smart football team that understood what
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we had to do to win this short week.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and so again, Tomlin's great on Sundays and great
on Monday when the Steelers have extra rest, but on
these short weeks he's not good. And Yo, burning timeouts,
dubious fourth down decisions, they just this was a game
where you had to be short week rival, bad weather late.
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It was a game in which you had to be
buttoned up to win that game. I don't think it's
a coincidence. Belichick was great in Thursdays, Andy Reids great
on Thursdays, and the Steelers just didn't feel buttoned up.
And I still think they're gonna have a great year.
I think they're gonna win a playoff game. I like
what I see. The Russell Wilson move by Tomlin was smart,
but this is the kind of game that can drive
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the Mike Tomlin critics crazy in Pittsburgh. By the way,
I think if Dan Campbell met Andy Reid in a
Super Bowl, I would trust Andy Reid. Some coaches are alpha,
they build around culture and toughness. Mike Vrabel's got this
feel to him. Not all coaches are the same. Some
have straints, some have weaknesses. Tom Ha's got plenty of straints.
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But that was the kind of Steeler loss that drives
Steeler fans nuts because you felt like we got the
better team, the momentum, better players, we have a lead,
this is our game, and they couldn't and they couldn't
end it. Okay, So sometimes in sports, you'll see some
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marriage or potential marriage and it feels weird, but weird
sometimes works in sports and in life. And you know,
you not every marriage you think is gonna work, and
it often does. And I got to tell you Rex
Ryan wants the New York Jets job. Now. He's the
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last really successful New York Jets coach they had, just
for the record, And I've had my battles with Rex before.
I think he's a nice guy, I really do. But
he's already this is this is so Rex Ryan. He
wants the Jets job, and here's Rex talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
There's way too much talent on this team to play
the way we've been playing, period, And how hard can
you get a guy to play? That's the thing. Like
nobody's seen a team going to play the way as
hard as this team's going to play in the future.
Trust me. If I'm the guy, trust me, and that's
going to be it. That's what's going to separate me
from all these other guys you're going to bring in.
You know, you're Grudens or whoever or whatever, Give me
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a break. They ain't New York Jets. I'm all about
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think it would work. He's qualified, he's won, and
I think because there's such a circus, he's the only
proven coach that would really want the job. Or do
you want to give it in New York to another
coordinator that gets trampled by Aaron Rodgers. The Jets as
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a franchise are impulsive, loud, and overconfident. That is Rex
Ryan's resume. He's an alpha. He'd build an alpha Detroit
Lions staff. We all laughed at the Dan Campbell Biten
kneecaps presser. It worked, and it worked because he got
the right offensive coordinator and the GM drafted the right players.
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This is a good roster and this franchise needs completely
new energy. And this Babey one of those marriage you
think is not gonna work. But the entire Jets team
night right now with Aaron Rodgers feels like it's outsourced, right,
It's kind of Aaron's team. It's outsourced to play kate Aaron.
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Rex Ryan's a Jet. He got along with Woody Johnson.
He's the only coach I've ever had that got along
with Woody Johnson. And what he's not going to change,
So you better get somebody that could get along with
Woody Johnson, they'll play hard. It sounds hokey, a lot
of marriages do. But I think there's a Dan Campbell feel.
And we have these coaches that we don't view necessarily
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as schematic wizards. Campbell's working, Mike Tomlin's working, Rex Ryan.
Rex Ryan took Mark Sanchez in to New England and
beat Brady tough, physical, in your face, low scoring games.
This organization feels outsourced since Aaron got there. The Jets
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need a jet, The Jets need an Alpha. The whole
thing with Aaron. Doesn't it feel like Aaron, please save us?
It feels so weak. I mean, it's like the Damsel
in Distress doesn't work in a locker room of fifty
five alphas. I think this. I think this franchise has
some really good players. I don't think they should have
fired Sola, and I don't think they should have fired
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the GM Joe Douglas. But the Rex Ryan thing, go
ahead and laugh. I think it would work. It would
give them an identity. When Rex was there before, they
had an identity. They were tough, they were physical, they
were loud, they were in your face. They weren't intimidated
by anybody. I would have no problem with this, or
just go roll the dice on another coordinator. I mean,
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good luck with that. It feels like it would work.
Some of these marriages in life. You're like, she married him,
he married her. He's gonna work for them, She's gonna
work for them, and they work more often than you think.
Rex Jets, I think it works. Jmac is rolling his eyes.
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He wants a new clever, hipster coordinator from some Carolina
or Detroit Lions. You I can tell do not like
this idea.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Don't do this to me this early. Come on, it's Friday, bro.
I just looked up Rex Ryan's record. First of all,
like hiring defensive coaches. He's a defensive coach. That's one
x on it. Next you know he got fired by
Buffalo runout after two seasons. What's crazy is in Rex
Ryan's tenure one two, three, four. The last six years
he coached, he was five hundred or worse. Okay, the
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last time he had a winning record was like fourteen
years ago with the Jets. So he's basically a career
loser as a head coach. And he's a defensive guy,
and you want the Jets to hire.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
First of all, Sean McDermott, Mike Tomlin, Demiko Ryans, the
kid in Arizona is doing a great job with the Cardinals.
I don't I'm not saying defensive coaches never work if
you have a quarterback. Josh Allen, c J. Stroud, Kyler Murray.
Seattle's problem with the defensive coordinator. They don't have a
star quarterback. So the Jets' biggest issue is getting the quarterback.
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But Rex got to AFC Championships, and Mark Sanchez would
tell you, I mean, he wasn't the most talented guy
in that team. He was going up against Brady and Peyton,
Manning and Big Ben in their prime. I'm not saying
it's the perfect hire, but what I'm saying is this
isn't an impulsive ownership and that won't change. Well. Rex
got along with Woody Rex trusted two ten.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Years ago when he was a man in his mid forties.
Come on, he's sixty one. Now he's gonna be oh
my gosh, he's gonna be sixty two here in like
three weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But he's got great energies.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Oh yeah, let's hire a guy for his energy.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Pete Carroll was winning Super Bowls in his sixties.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Please don't up here.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Pete Carroll, who won in college to Rex.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
By the way, Pete Carroll, New England fired Pete Carroll
one year, Jets ran him out of town. Pete Carroll
first two years in Seattle, losing record, losing record, got
the right quarterback, But Pete always had a vision. And
now I prefer offensive coaches. But Tomlin McDermott Demiko Ryans
Belichick's career. If you get a defensive coach, as long
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as you have the right quarterback who can get a coordinator,
and the defensive guy can worry about culture, toughness and defense,
you're fine. The Jets bigger issue is Aaron hasn't been
as good as they thought he was. That's the biggest
issue there. So Sauda would still be there in Douglas
would be there if Aaron was what Aaron was three
years four years ago, which is what the Jets thought
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they were getting.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
So you want to retread quarterback and Aaron Rodgers, we
got that. That failed. Now you want to retread coach
in Rex Ryan Come on, man, you're you're a smart,
innovative guy. I know you had your big thing last
night watching the football game. There's no way you think
this is a good idea. And look at that smirk.
Look at the smirk, America.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He knows that he's I like how it gets you
worked out. It's not a smirk laughing at Rex Ryan.
Would it potentially be a tire fire?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, yes, but so was Adam Gaze and Todd Bowles.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Adam Gas and Robert saw Gays got the vote of
confidence from Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning did us thirty? Okay,
let me see who's their step up and give the
vote of come. Yeah, we gotta get Rick Ryan back in.
Let's turn back the clock fifteen years Ryan, please stop.
Can we get somebody like innovative Dan Lanning?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Can we go hire him?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Is he available?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's not taking that job. They'll have better offers.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, really interesting game this weekend for me is the
San Francisco forty nine ers at five and five at
Green Bay. I think it's the season for San Francisco
and if Brock healthy is pretty I think the Niners
will play pretty well. I think this is it. So
their schedule gets brutal. I was looking at their schedule
this morning at green Bay, at Buffalo, at Miami, at Arizona.
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They played Detroit twice, so this is rough. Don't play
Detroit twice. They played Detroit. They're only five and five.
And what makes it worse the NFC North with Green Bay, Detroit,
Minnesota in Chicago. But the top three is so good.
If the Vikings beat the Bears this weekend and the
Packers beat San Francisco, Minnesota's going to be nine to two.
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The Packers are going to be eight and three, and
San Francisco's five and six. And these are all ving
because of Detroit. They're all vying for wild card spots.
So the season's over and again, sandradg just go. Schedule
coming up is really really tough. So this is it.
So I had predicted before the season. I thought the
Cowboys and the Niners playoff teams would regress. I didn't
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think either would fall off a cliff and they both have.
So San Francisco off a Super Bowl loft. The last
time went six and ten, underachieved and had a lot
of injuries this year, same feel, same team. The difference
is this team feels old and tired, and this team
feels like they need a sabbatical and a reboot. They
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really do. To me, they're talented, but not as talented
as people think. They're older than people acknowledge. They need
a control all delete. I think they have to start over.
I said at the trade deadline, I would have made
some moves they didn't. I think Sunday is their last stand.
I do think if Bosa plays and brock Purty play,
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they're gonna go in there and have one of their
better efforts of the year. But Jordan Love remember last
time he faced these guys, he lost, and he's at
home and he is highly motivated.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
I think just ending the season, you know, getting to
the playoffs and you know, being knocked out by the
forty nine ers. I mean, any whoever would have been
you know that that game is definitely gonna sit with you,
and you know that's what you gotta you know, kind
of just sit with all offseason is going back watching
that game, kind of trying to see what she could
have been better, what you could have done differently in
that game. So it definitely stits with you through the
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offseason and then obviously move on. But uh yeah, just
knowing that that's the team that knocked us out, you know,
we're definitely hunger for this game.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So this is gonna be a really good game. I'm
not saying you have two great teams. I think Green
Bays are were a good team. Jordan love Little reckless
in the last couple of months, Little reckless, and it
starts this year, Little concerning gives San Francisco a shot,
and San Francisco is back into a corner with a
great coach and some great players. So to me, this
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is the one you really got to watch. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
All right, let's start with the NFL breaking news. Daniel
Jones released by the Giants. Uh, it's been a tough
week for the guy. He's wealthy, so we shouldn't cry
for him, but it's it's a tough It's been a
tough week, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He went from.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Essentially being demoted to playing I guess safety on the
scout team at practice yesterday. I don't know if you
saw that video.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I did.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Then he goes and makes a statement to the media,
which I'm sure you saw that and you felt a
little bad for him. I thought he was gonna cry,
like that was tough. He stood up in front of
the media and was like, hey, thanks.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
A lot for an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And then, according to the media, he went to the
Giants said hey, guys, will you release me? And Marras
said sure, And now it's over for Daniel Jones in
New York. He was the sixth pick in the twenty
nineteen draft. His career record twenty four, forty five.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And one, and it was worse after he signed the
contract he got. He was noticeably worse. The other thing
is he will now go and be a backup somewhere
and he'll be a very good batch.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
So let's talk about that. Yeah, here's numbers the last
two seasons. Remember he's been injured, but I mean, Colin, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Like, he's signed the contract and he became the worst
starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Well, some of us saw, we saw this coming.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But he's a big, smart, strong kid. He's not fluid,
he's not a natural thrower. Everything feels like, you know,
he's got some good DNA. He's a big strong, strapping
kid that runs well. Nothing feels natural or easy for him.
He's not a starter, he's not a franchise quarterback. But
Sean mcvay's like Stafford's old. If Stafford misses two to
three games a year, can Daniel Jones move the chains.
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That's the kind of team I could see going for.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
If you're Daniel Jones and his agent, you instantly are
looking for any team in the Sean McVay coaching tree
that is it has a playoff pulse, and you say,
I will be the backup. I will hold the clipboard.
We've seen what it did for Baker Mayfield with the Rams, right,
Carson Wentz had a decent moment there. And then there's
a team like Minnesota with Kevin o' connell. I think
Minnesota would be a slam dunk move. Remember Kevin O'Connell
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took dude.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What was it the pastor not.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Josh Dobbs came in off the street last year.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And was like, oh my gosh, what I think that's
a great call. By the way, I want to win
some people listening to my show a free beer. Next
time you go out to a lounge or a bar
and you want to win a trivia contest. Ask people
who's the only NFC quarterback to beat Lamar Jackson. It's
Daniel Jones. It's a great trivia question.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Remember that game because I was on the Ravens. They
melted in the fourth quarter. It was bad. I guess
the last thing I just saw Malite Neighbors is not
practicing today, doesn't even have his helmet at Giants practice.
So you got the Daniel Jones noise? Remember the dexter
Lord stuff. What do you do with this?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Bucks?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I mean, Buccaneers are big favorites in New York. What's
that locker room like? How do you handicap a game
like this?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Count? Well, I would take tam I think Tampa's got
more to play for the more inspired. I think Tampa wins.
I'm not going to bet it, but I think Tampa's
the clear side to play because I think I think
Tampa's not a great team, but I think they're inspired.
I think Baker Mayfield does a very good job in
creating belief. I think it's one of his strengths. When
he's feeling good, he can spread that locker room, make
him feel like this is our moment. So I think
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Tampa's gonna win.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then you're looking for like second order effects. Let's
just say Tampa goes in and the Giants are listless,
that it's thirty to six. Yeah, okay, I know you
love Daboll.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, come on, let's oh wait, come on.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You don't think he's lost the locker room when Dexter Lawrence,
a leader on the defense, is saying, what are we doing?
He's our best quarterback and now he's off the roster.
Dable's got to be careful here, Colin.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know we like him, but no, I like him.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I don't know
about head coach. Okay, you don't think he's in any trouble.
All right, let's chart it here. November twenty second, cow
Hurt says Dable's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Dable's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Next story is Schadeure Sanders, Colorado superstar, probably not gonna
win the Heisman. It might go to his teammate Travis Hunter,
but Shadoor is bullish on his own draft stock. According
to Shaduur, he would have been the best quarterback in
last year's draft. Sanders said, I feel like I was
the best quarterback in last year's draft two. I know
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he knows he's the first in this one ever since
I was draft eligible, I knew I'm the best quarterback.
So our staff put together some numbers of Chaduur compared
to Kayleb Williams and Jayden Daniels from last year, and.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I, you know, take.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
From these numbers, which you will. I don't think Shaduur's
in that class of Caleb Jayden.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
No. So I've called people over the last couple of
weeks and just asked about Shador Sanders and they all
like him. He is not Caleb Williams as a prospect.
Holds the ball a little too long, there are some
things that are a little concerning. Throws the ball accurately
from any platform. Moves well enough, but likes to be
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a pocket quarterback. Shadeur's a pocket quarterback. He can move,
but he likes to be a pocket quarterbacks like c J.
Stroud CJ. Com move a little bit, but he likes
to sit in the pocket. That's what I like about him.
I like that his dad's a star star power. He
could handle it. He's been around big stuff and and
Prime does not baby him. According to Shaduur, So there's
a lot. I like him aout it. I don't consider
him to be an A prospect, A plus prospect. I
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think he's more B plus a minus. But I think
he's a starter in this league. I think I would
go forward if I was like the Dallas. I think
he's I think he's a very talented kid, and with
a right offensive coach and some protection early in help,
he'll be a successful franchise quarterback. He's not luck. He's
not Trevor Lawrence. Probably as a prospect, he's not. I
don't think he's checks as many boxes as Justin Herbert
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did or Joe Burrow did. But I think he's a
very good prospect and an incredibly weak quarterback class. He
is the best prospect easily at quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I know you're hyping the Cowboys stuff with Shadur, but
currently Jacksonville is in pole position. But they played I
know they have Trevor Laurnce and they paid him no.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But they played Tennessee twice, and that those two teams
up there are gonna know.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Okay, let's just say Jacksonville ends up with it.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Come on, they're not going to do He's not a
good enough prospect to drive him.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Jacksonville consider rebooting no quarterback on the rookie deal, get
a hole for Trevor Lawrence and start over.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I mean, Jacksonville is willing probably to do anything. I
would never try to predict what Jacksonville is gonna do
coach Belichicks.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yet Trevor Lawrence, Ah, take them a leave and give
me your door, and then you get the quarterback on
the rookie deal and you can spend, spend, spend, and you.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Probably get a boatload of picks for Trevor Lawrence. I
don't think it's the craziest thing. I wouldn't do it,
but I don't think it's the craziest thing. I just
came up with that on the spot and I kind
of love it. I mean, Trevor Lawrence would have a
huge market, massive, he'd have eight mines.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Jecks would give up seven first round.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, Trevor Lawrence would have a huge market, which always concerns.
You don't let go of somebody if they're going to
have a huge market and whatever. Industry, it is not smart.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
But the rookie contract, that's the kicker.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's where you really excel.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Final story Colin, Oh boy, I'm sure you were watching
this last night. The Lakers man lost their first game
in over two weeks to Orlando. It was a brutal ending.
Anthony Davis clangs two free throws with nineteen seconds left,
and then one of the Wagner brothers comes down, hits
that nice step back three over Cam Reddish and then
ad misses. At the buzzer. JJ Reddick shared what he
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does after the loss. What do you do to sort
of because now that you're doing this all the time,
being in the rhythm of losing and winning and all
of that is I'm sure an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You have to figure out how to figure out it.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Wait, at night, I go to a very dark place, literally,
it's it's the basement.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I turn the lights out and I watch film.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Getting away from the game.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Congratulations, Yeah, that's my therapy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It'll be fine. Listen, it's the NBA. It's any two
games Steelers lost to an inferior team, Lakers will lose
to inferior teams. It's okay. I remember when Michael Jordan
the best team ever Michael Jordan. One year, I think
they lost to the Rafters twice. They never like an
expansion team or something.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I remember, Yeah, way you lost Lebron miss free throws
a D.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, Lebron's never been a great light game.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Throw and he was only one or two.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A d's the big culprit.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well again, I don't look at a D and Lebron
as elite free throw shooters to close out games. That's
always been the biggest knock on Lebron. You don't trust
some with a free throw late. It's it's it's not
He's not terrible, he's not. Tim Duncan or shot, by
the way, was amazing last time. Yeah, carrying, No, it's not.
I just think this is the NBA. You can't lose
any sleep on this stuff. You're gonna lose games to
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a young, energetic Orlando team that gets to play Lebron
James and they come in hair on fire.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
By the way, what do you do after a tough, tough,
tough loss like that? Are you a dark placed guy
or you?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No? No, life is a chalkboard, Just wipe it and
start over. It's okay.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't go to a dark place. Well, unless it's
a lounge. J Mack with a news, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
That's the news and Thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
There is a college football game this weekend where one
wildly talented team at home is a huge favorite, but
they just lost their best offensive linemen and they've struggled
in big games. So Indiana is at Ohio State, Buckeyes
favored by like two touchdowns. And I was looking this
morning at the talent discrepancy between these two on the
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Indiana and Ohio State rosters. Ohio State has fourteen to
five star recruits, Indiana zero. Ohio State has fifty five
four star recruits, Indiana ten. So it's a talent mismatch.
You're at home, but all the pressures on the Buckeyes,
and it's one thing to lose to Jim Harbaugh, Clemson, Georgia,
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even losing to Oregon at Otson Stadium. Who wins at
Otson Stadium, I'll tell you who. The Ducks. Olway's losing
to Harbaugh. They had eighteen players invited to the Combine,
a record. Losing to Georgia they had fifteen players drafted.
I think that was a record. This could get ugly. Georgia, Michigan,
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Clemson Otson Stadium. People are mad for about a day
and a half. But this Ohio State team has a
little whack a mole thing. Every time they play a
big game, there's something else that disappoints you. So Indiana's
a basketball school. Indiana is far less talented. Hey, the
pressure is one hundred percent on Ohio State. So the
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the Buckeyes love Buckeye fans. They're like no other fan base.
They lead the college football, they lead the industry and
pointing fingers, Connor Stallion's sec refs bias, media, grab a
mirror if you lose the Indiana because this is a massive,
massive talent disparity. Ohio State is favored by two touchdowns.
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If you look at the five star and the four
star athletes, and the recruiting services do a good job.
They miss, but they buy and large recruiting services. They're
giving guys five and four stars because they're watching the
coaches that want the high school athletes. So you know,
if Kirby Smart's interested, and you know the top coaches
Ohio State and Michigan are interested, you get more stars.
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So I think this game is fascinating because I think Indiana,
when I watch their offense, it's got a little bit
of an Oregon feel Now, I don't think Oregon would
have beaten Ohio State and Columbus and Ohio State did
go to Penn State, and winning Penn State has hammered
a lot of people. So I think Ohio State wins.
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But I think it's going to be closer than two touchdowns.
I think, and I think a lot of this is
there's a lot of pressure on Ohio State. Here, there's
a lot of pressure. So I'm gonna take Ohio State
to win. But you know, two touchdowns feels blow out.
And this is a really, really well coached team which
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shares some of Oregon's offensive identity.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Did you see the line movement in this game yesterday, Collin,
Well this it was thirteen and a half and it
cratered to ten and I don't know. So the speculation is,
is there a major injury? Not that center in the
offensive line, but is there a quarterback injury? Suspension? Is
something coming down? Because that's significant. That's a significant move thirteen.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And a half to ten When the line came out.
My first take is that's that. Doesn't you know I'm
a much better NFL than college better on average. I
have a better sense there's so many college teams. I
generally in college take the favorite when the NFL had
like this week, I'm taking four underdogs. I like dogs.
I like value dogs in the NFL. I tend to
like favorites in college. So I thought the line was
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out of sorts. Ohio State has all the I mean,
Indiana's going in there thinking, hey, if we keep it
close and lose, we're a playoff team. If Indiana loses
twenty eight twenty three, you're like, oh, Indiana's good enough
to be in the playoff.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Then Indiana's style points matter.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, the Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. You're like in Oregon,
they're the four teams from the Big Ten. But I
think think style points mattered this weekend. If Ohio State wins,
I'm not gonna, you know, pick it apart a win
to win to win, But you know there is some
value in having no pressure on you, and that that's
a rare spot when you're undefeated in a good team
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and there's no pressure on you. And that's Indiana. I mean,
you get on that plane flying back to Bloomington having
lost twenty eight twenty three and had a chance late
in the game to take the lead. You get in
that locker room and on that plane, and the spirit
of your program is we can play with anybody. And
you lost, So that's an advantage. I like Ohio State,
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but thirteen and a half was dumb to may any sense.
Coaching is so big in college football, and Indiana's really
well coached.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 1 (32:03):
So you know, there was a story. Jay Glazer first
reported it when the Bears fired or you know, got
rid of Shane Waldron, that Caleb Williams stood up in
front of the team and you know, heartfelt it's on me.
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I apologize, and you know, Caleb really let go emotionally vulnerable,
stood up in front of the team and the team
was already into it. DJ Moore's teammates said it bought
a lot of you know, legitimacy and gravitas to the
to the moment. A lot of the veteran players looked
at Caleb as like he grew up. He admitted he
was part of the problem, so it was a big
moment for him. He had self awareness. But let's we
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have ten starts with Caleb Williams. Let's take a big
view of what we have. Two different play callers, a
three game winning streak and a four game losing streak,
a Hail Mary loss, but yet a win in the
opener when Caleb threw for under one hundred yards. Through
it all, Caleb has completed sixty two and a half
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percent of his throws. Not bad for a guy playing
in front of a weak offensive line. That's a rookie.
He completed seventy four percent last week. I think that's
closer to who he is than sixty two percent, but
it's not terrible. Even at sixty two percent. He has
three games now without a turnover. His passer rating if
you take out his first two weeks when everybody, including
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bow Nicks, was completely lost, his passer rating is ninety
two and a half. Again, that's not bad. Bad offensive line.
He's remarkably athletic. You've got a winning streak. He had
his most accurate outing last week. He's not turning the
ball over. He's hyper athletic and if you take out
the first two games as a pro quarterback, his passer
ratings ninety two. It's not terrible. That's where we are.
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It has been what rookie seasons are. Probably too much
hype with him. But the offensive line we would all
admit was and is a problem. We thought it was
getting better, it got worse. So he's also about to
become the rookie Bear quarterback all time passing leader, so
it's actually there's a lot to like about it. I
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predicted the Bears would win seven games, maybe eight, and
finish fourth. That's what they're on track to do. I
think potentially the schedule. Do not get fixated on the schedule.
The NFC North is the best division in football. You're
gonna have three playoff teams out of there, potentially if
Minnesota or Green Bay don't flail. So if you can
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get to seven wins, seven and ten, his passer ratings
around ninety. He's not turning the ball over a ton.
He's got a bad online and he had to be
moved to his second play caller. It's not terrible. I
mean Greg Cosel watched this week, sees a lot of
things he likes.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
One of the things that really stood out to me,
and I think with a quarterback like Kila Williams, no
matter how gifted he is, and by the way, he
is one of the most gifted throwers I've seen recently,
just the way the ball comes out. But you needed
to sort of build up his confidence, build it back.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, they did. They schemed up layups, they got rid
of the ball quicker. If you just take a big
I mean, folks, if he played in the NFC South
and not the NFC North, this could be a nine
win team. Got Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina. They don't. They play
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in the best division and it's a division where the
offenses are supremely talented, so it's hard to win close,
low scoring games, and they should have. Last weekend they
outplayed the Packers. So the first thing I look at
is is he turning the ball over a ton? He's not.
He's not He's not lost. He's not turning the ball
over a ton. The game's not too fast for him,
got a bad offensive line and he needed a new
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play caller. But he's not turning it over a lot.
He's accurate enough. Last week seventy four percent he's accurate enough,
he'll probably if he could finish like sixty three percent accuracy.
That's for a rookie with a battle line in a
great division. His passer ratings ninety two if you take
out the first two games. Vone Nicks was lost. Look
how good vot Nick says was Sean Payton? He was
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lost the first two weeks. Can't ask these guys to
walk in and be great. I mean Jaden Daniels was,
but now he's regressed. This is what it looks like.
C J. Stroud last year had three games in a rown.
He's stunk. I mean it just justin Herbert's finally got
the right coach, finally has the right offensive tackles. Oh,
he looks pretty good. So it's more, you can't just
get fixated on winning and losing. It is a process.
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I think there's a lot to like here. So I
said this, the Browns beat the Steelers last night. I
am not sure what to make of the Justin Field snaps.
Now it was only seven. You know. My take was, well,
it's a slippery surface, hard to get your footing. Element
of surprise, Justin Field runs around. I did not like though,
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third and four Steelers up. Russell Wilson's good on third down,
they bring him in, and Justin Fields misses on a
deep ball. It's like, guys, that's what Russell Wilson's good at.
Russell Wilson's good at the deep ball, let's let him
throw them. Justin Field does not. I didn't like that.
It didn't feel very organized to me. That whole situation.
I think, you know, Russell's wants to come in, Russell
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doesn't want to be replaced. It's only seven snaps, but
seven snaps can be a lot in a close game,
short weeks, knowing whether on the road, I think six
or the seven were in the second half. It didn't
feel terribly organized. What was the exact plan? Was it?
Because the surface was slippery, Russell Wilson was four to
oh throws a deep ball. It was third down. Russell
had been good on third down, so it kind of
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classic Tomlin. There's things I like about him, but I
didn't feel like it was terribly organized. And I don't
have anything against Justin Fields, but I think you can
say this about Justin Fields and Pittsburgh when he comes in.
The more he plays, the more predictable he becomes you
kind of know he's coming in to run. That's kind
of what it feels like. So here's Mike Tomlin on
the decision after.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, I don't think that the weather was a factor.
We had intentions on using him and we did. You know,
I don't know that the weather conditions were a factor,
and that decision making.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
No starter wants to be pulled, especially a starter that's
four and oh as a starter, And let's be honest,
finally galvanized the offense, Like I just I don't know
what to make of at j mac du Yeah, one
of us.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Kind of saw this coming yesterday. Huh remember that conversation.
So a couple things are at play. I know you're like, oh,
at four and oh colin first four quarters of the
Ravens game, did they score a touchdown? First three quarters
last night? Did they score a touchdown? So, all of
a sudden, the offense hitting a bit of a drought
in the division, and he decided, let's let's change it up,
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let's get some justin fields. Oh, by the way, the
Browns last week got torched by Taysom Hill who had
who ran for like a billion yards, So I'm sure
Tomlin saw that and was like, oh, we can put
some justin fields in Taysom Hill situations. Brown's are ready,
but I'm just gonna go back to it. I don't
love the down to down stuff from Russell Wilson. He
hit a couple splash plays, but the success down to
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down basis is not happening. I'm telling you. Have you
looked at the Steelers schedule, by the way, No, it's top.
I'm not saying sky's falling, but could you have two
more wins on their schedule?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Here here it is.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Find me the next two wins that they.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Have next week against Cincinnati at home and the following week.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
With well the Bengals off a bye. Steelers exhausted from
playing two divisional matchups in a row, and that's an
automatic win. Okay, next one is the Browns.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
So there's the Browns and then look at that gauntlet.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
To end the season.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Nine wins, nine and seven?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Does that get I think they're going to be ten
and seven?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
And are they in over say Miami or Denver.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I would take them to beat Miami in a playoff game. Oh,
I'm just saying Miami could beat them to the playoff spot.
Now ten would be tough for Miami. Top one. I
think Miami's very interesting. I think that New England Miami
game is going to be closer. It maybe in my
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Thanks for making that's part of your day. Just off
the top. Daniel Jones, quarterback to the New York Giants.
He wants to be released. They're gonna grant it to him,
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the New York Giants. Jmack will have this in a
Herd line news. You know, what a shot. We're just
past the halfway mark of the NFL season and the
Giants and the Jets are a circus. What a shot.
It's why the NFL is king. Big markets don't matter.
Big revenue not a thing. Green Bay, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.
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Small markets run the league, which is amazing. So the
two New York teams are a circus. We don't even
need to discuss the Jets today. But Daniel Jones has
been released. You know he wants it. They're gonna grant it.
You know, to me, he was not a first round pick,
so he kind of got there are better places to
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be as a bust in the NFL at quarterback than
New York. So it was just never meant to be.
And we'll get into that more later, but I want
to start with this. Sometimes in the NFL, the better
team doesn't always win. Last night was Pittsburgh. They're better
than Cleveland, but it's a short week, it's snowy, it's
a divisional rival. Hey, Jamis Winston can make plays, we
know that. But what makes that loss painful for the Steelers.
(01:54):
This is exactly how they lose big games against top
the Belichicks and the Brady's. In the Mannings for years,
you kind of think to the better team with the
better roster, they're bigger, more physical, and then you look
up and they make bad decisions late in games, Mike
Tomlin burning a couple of timeouts. And Tomlin, for the record,
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I've defended him. I'd name him Coach of the Year.
But and I've said this many times, he's not viewed
as a scheme wizard or a chess player. Either's Dan Campbell,
and Dan Campbell's great and Mike Tomlin's got a trophy
or two. So not all these coaches are the same.
It's Hollywood. Daniel day Lewis is not the rock, and
vice versa. They both work. So Tomlin has always been
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known as more motivator than innovator, and that's always been
his thing in this team. The Steelers in Tomlin's era
have always had, you know, a very very high floor,
but a lower ceiling. I mean, hell, they lost to
the Cowboys this year, and yet they beat the Ravens,
and yet they lose to the Browns. And that's what
they've been. And this is what drives Pittsburgh Steeler fans crazy,
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is that they're always good, very high ceiling, never embarrassing.
Oh it's competent, even when that bad quarterback play. They
can make the playoffs. But you never feel they've got
the Andy Reid ceiling, or maybe the Kyle Shanahan's ceiling,
or the McVeigh ceiling, or the Peyton Manning or Tom
Brady ceiling. So and that's just the way it is.
I thought the Steelers would win it. There was four
and a half minutes left, they got a pick, they'd
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scored on touchdowns on previous drives. I thought it was
all done. But it's the kind of game where they
burned some timeouts. You don't trust their fourth down call.
And you know, this is what the Pittsburgh Steelers have become.
And I get it, like last night, they're the better team,
it's the better roster, they've got momentum. I don't necessarily
get the going to justin fields when you've got Russell Wilson,
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especially on a big third down play and then throwing
it deep and justin field in bad weather especially is
not really built for that. And maybe you only get
six or seven snaps in the game, but they don't
exactly understand the plan here. Russell Wilson was four and
oh what are you monkey in around with that stuff?
Just play Russell Wilson justin fields. Maybe there are certain
times in a clean game, not in the road, short week,
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not snowstorm, that you could play them. So you know,
Thursday Night football is about strategy. And details, and that's
not necessarily the strength of the Pittsburgh Steelers, right. They're
about motivation and physicality and toughness, and I love all
those things. I love all those things. But what makes
the Lions that love those things great is their clever
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offensive coordinator and their efficiency offensively. So Mike Tomlin on
a night he had the better team and lost was
terse after the l.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They made more plays over the course of sixty minutes
than we did. Obviously, we got to own our portions
of it. It's painful, but his life and his business.
We'll take a look at the tape and learn from it. Man,
we in to miss of some thick AFC North action
and so no rest for to wear it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, now you're still eight and three, you lead the division.
You're still the most physical team in your division. Just
let's peat Baltimore. Schedule is not easy. But you're eight
and three. You tip the cap that Jamis Winston and
David and Joku. We've said this all year. Cleveland's got talent.
Jameis Winston's talented. He's a little goofy sometimes, but he's
a talented kid. And he made a great fourth down
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play to score a touchdown and Joko with a two
point conversion was amazing. But this is what drives Steeter
fans crazy. And Julian Edelman, who is nine to zero
with the Patriots on Thursday, talks about why Tomlin specifically
has been so bad as a Thursday coach, and the
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reason being is Thursdays are different. You got to use
kind of the same plays. It's about efficiency and details.
Because your team doesn't have they don't feel good, everybody's
a little sore. Thursdays are different. Tomlin's teams struggle with it.
And here's Julian Edelman.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team with
Tom in there, not like an execution style offense. They've
never been that. I don't think I lost a Thursday
night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense,
and we were a smart football team that understood what
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we had to do to win this short week.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, and so again, Tomlin's great on Sundays and great
on Monday when the Steelers have extra rest, but on
these short weeks he's not good. And Yo, burning timeouts,
dubious fourth down decisions, they just this was a game
where you had to be short week rival, bad weather late.
(06:37):
It was a game in which you had to be
buttoned up to win that game. I don't think it's
a coincidence. Belichick was great in Thursdays, Andy Reids great
on Thursdays, and the Steelers just didn't feel buttoned up.
And I still think they're gonna have a great year.
I think they're gonna win a playoff game. I like
what I see. The Russell Wilson move by Tomlin was smart,
but this is the kind of game that can drive
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the Mike Tomlin critics crazy in Pittsburgh. By the way,
I think if Dan Campbell met Andy Reid in a
Super Bowl, I would trust Andy Reid. Some coaches are alpha,
they build around culture and toughness. Mike Vrabel's got this
feel to him. Not all coaches are the same. Some
have straints, some have weaknesses. Tom Ha's got plenty of straints.
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But that was the kind of Steeler loss that drives
Steeler fans nuts because you felt like we got the
better team, the momentum, better players, we have a lead,
this is our game, and they couldn't and they couldn't
end it. Okay, So sometimes in sports, you'll see some
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marriage or potential marriage and it feels weird, but weird
sometimes works in sports and in life. And you know,
you not every marriage you think is gonna work, and
it often does. And I got to tell you Rex
Ryan wants the New York Jets job. Now. He's the
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last really successful New York Jets coach they had, just
for the record, And I've had my battles with Rex before.
I think he's a nice guy, I really do. But
he's already this is this is so Rex Ryan. He
wants the Jets job, and here's Rex talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
There's way too much talent on this team to play
the way we've been playing, period, And how hard can
you get a guy to play? That's the thing. Like
nobody's seen a team going to play the way as
hard as this team's going to play in the future.
Trust me. If I'm the guy, trust me, and that's
going to be it. That's what's going to separate me
from all these other guys you're going to bring in.
You know, you're Grudens or whoever or whatever, Give me
(08:48):
a break. They ain't New York Jets. I'm all about
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think it would work. He's qualified, he's won, and
I think because there's such a circus, he's the only
proven coach that would really want the job. Or do
you want to give it in New York to another
coordinator that gets trampled by Aaron Rodgers. The Jets as
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a franchise are impulsive, loud, and overconfident. That is Rex
Ryan's resume. He's an alpha. He'd build an alpha Detroit
Lions staff. We all laughed at the Dan Campbell Biten
kneecaps presser. It worked, and it worked because he got
the right offensive coordinator and the GM drafted the right players.
(09:35):
This is a good roster and this franchise needs completely
new energy. And this Babey one of those marriage you
think is not gonna work. But the entire Jets team
night right now with Aaron Rodgers feels like it's outsourced, right,
It's kind of Aaron's team. It's outsourced to play kate Aaron.
(09:56):
Rex Ryan's a Jet. He got along with Woody Johnson.
He's the only coach I've ever had that got along
with Woody Johnson. And what he's not going to change,
So you better get somebody that could get along with
Woody Johnson, they'll play hard. It sounds hokey, a lot
of marriages do. But I think there's a Dan Campbell feel.
And we have these coaches that we don't view necessarily
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as schematic wizards. Campbell's working, Mike Tomlin's working, Rex Ryan.
Rex Ryan took Mark Sanchez in to New England and
beat Brady tough, physical, in your face, low scoring games.
This organization feels outsourced since Aaron got there. The Jets
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need a jet, The Jets need an Alpha. The whole
thing with Aaron. Doesn't it feel like Aaron, please save us?
It feels so weak. I mean, it's like the Damsel
in Distress doesn't work in a locker room of fifty
five alphas. I think this. I think this franchise has
some really good players. I don't think they should have
fired Sola, and I don't think they should have fired
(10:58):
the GM Joe Douglas. But the Rex Ryan thing, go
ahead and laugh. I think it would work. It would
give them an identity. When Rex was there before, they
had an identity. They were tough, they were physical, they
were loud, they were in your face. They weren't intimidated
by anybody. I would have no problem with this, or
just go roll the dice on another coordinator. I mean,
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good luck with that. It feels like it would work.
Some of these marriages in life. You're like, she married him,
he married her. He's gonna work for them, She's gonna
work for them, and they work more often than you think.
Rex Jets, I think it works. Jmac is rolling his eyes.
(11:45):
He wants a new clever, hipster coordinator from some Carolina
or Detroit Lions. You I can tell do not like
this idea.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Don't do this to me this early. Come on, it's Friday, bro.
I just looked up Rex Ryan's record. First of all,
like hiring defensive coaches. He's a defensive coach. That's one
x on it. Next you know he got fired by
Buffalo runout after two seasons. What's crazy is in Rex
Ryan's tenure one two, three, four. The last six years
he coached, he was five hundred or worse. Okay, the
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last time he had a winning record was like fourteen
years ago with the Jets. So he's basically a career
loser as a head coach. And he's a defensive guy,
and you want the Jets to hire.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
First of all, Sean McDermott, Mike Tomlin, Demiko Ryans, the
kid in Arizona is doing a great job with the Cardinals.
I don't I'm not saying defensive coaches never work if
you have a quarterback. Josh Allen, c J. Stroud, Kyler Murray.
Seattle's problem with the defensive coordinator. They don't have a
star quarterback. So the Jets' biggest issue is getting the quarterback.
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But Rex got to AFC Championships, and Mark Sanchez would
tell you, I mean, he wasn't the most talented guy
in that team. He was going up against Brady and Peyton,
Manning and Big Ben in their prime. I'm not saying
it's the perfect hire, but what I'm saying is this
isn't an impulsive ownership and that won't change. Well. Rex
got along with Woody Rex trusted two ten.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Years ago when he was a man in his mid forties.
Come on, he's sixty one. Now he's gonna be oh
my gosh, he's gonna be sixty two here in like
three weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But he's got great energies.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Oh yeah, let's hire a guy for his energy.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Pete Carroll was winning Super Bowls in his sixties.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Please don't up here.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Pete Carroll, who won in college to Rex.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
By the way, Pete Carroll, New England fired Pete Carroll
one year, Jets ran him out of town. Pete Carroll
first two years in Seattle, losing record, losing record, got
the right quarterback, But Pete always had a vision. And
now I prefer offensive coaches. But Tomlin McDermott Demiko Ryans
Belichick's career. If you get a defensive coach, as long
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as you have the right quarterback who can get a coordinator,
and the defensive guy can worry about culture, toughness and defense,
you're fine. The Jets bigger issue is Aaron hasn't been
as good as they thought he was. That's the biggest
issue there. So Sauda would still be there in Douglas
would be there if Aaron was what Aaron was three
years four years ago, which is what the Jets thought
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they were getting.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
So you want to retread quarterback and Aaron Rodgers, we
got that. That failed. Now you want to retread coach
in Rex Ryan Come on, man, you're you're a smart,
innovative guy. I know you had your big thing last
night watching the football game. There's no way you think
this is a good idea. And look at that smirk.
Look at the smirk, America.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He knows that he's I like how it gets you
worked out. It's not a smirk laughing at Rex Ryan.
Would it potentially be a tire fire?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, yes, but so was Adam Gaze and Todd Bowles.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Adam Gas and Robert saw Gays got the vote of
confidence from Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning did us thirty? Okay,
let me see who's their step up and give the
vote of come. Yeah, we gotta get Rick Ryan back in.
Let's turn back the clock fifteen years Ryan, please stop.
Can we get somebody like innovative Dan Lanning?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Can we go hire him?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Is he available?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's not taking that job. They'll have better offers.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, really interesting game this weekend for me is the
San Francisco forty nine ers at five and five at
Green Bay. I think it's the season for San Francisco
and if Brock healthy is pretty I think the Niners
will play pretty well. I think this is it. So
their schedule gets brutal. I was looking at their schedule
this morning at green Bay, at Buffalo, at Miami, at Arizona.
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They played Detroit twice, so this is rough. Don't play
Detroit twice. They played Detroit. They're only five and five.
And what makes it worse the NFC North with Green Bay, Detroit,
Minnesota in Chicago. But the top three is so good.
If the Vikings beat the Bears this weekend and the
Packers beat San Francisco, Minnesota's going to be nine to two.
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The Packers are going to be eight and three, and
San Francisco's five and six. And these are all ving
because of Detroit. They're all vying for wild card spots.
So the season's over and again, sandradg just go. Schedule
coming up is really really tough. So this is it.
So I had predicted before the season. I thought the
Cowboys and the Niners playoff teams would regress. I didn't
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think either would fall off a cliff and they both have.
So San Francisco off a Super Bowl loft. The last
time went six and ten, underachieved and had a lot
of injuries this year, same feel, same team. The difference
is this team feels old and tired, and this team
feels like they need a sabbatical and a reboot. They
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really do. To me, they're talented, but not as talented
as people think. They're older than people acknowledge. They need
a control all delete. I think they have to start over.
I said at the trade deadline, I would have made
some moves they didn't. I think Sunday is their last stand.
I do think if Bosa plays and brock Purty play,
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they're gonna go in there and have one of their
better efforts of the year. But Jordan Love remember last
time he faced these guys, he lost, and he's at
home and he is highly motivated.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
I think just ending the season, you know, getting to
the playoffs and you know, being knocked out by the
forty nine ers. I mean, any whoever would have been
you know that that game is definitely gonna sit with you,
and you know that's what you gotta you know, kind
of just sit with all offseason is going back watching
that game, kind of trying to see what she could
have been better, what you could have done differently in
that game. So it definitely stits with you through the
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offseason and then obviously move on. But uh yeah, just
knowing that that's the team that knocked us out, you know,
we're definitely hunger for this game.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So this is gonna be a really good game. I'm
not saying you have two great teams. I think Green
Bays are were a good team. Jordan love Little reckless
in the last couple of months, Little reckless, and it
starts this year, Little concerning gives San Francisco a shot,
and San Francisco is back into a corner with a
great coach and some great players. So to me, this
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is the one you really got to watch. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
All right, let's start with the NFL breaking news. Daniel
Jones released by the Giants. Uh, it's been a tough
week for the guy. He's wealthy, so we shouldn't cry
for him, but it's it's a tough It's been a
tough week, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He went from.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Essentially being demoted to playing I guess safety on the
scout team at practice yesterday. I don't know if you
saw that video.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I did.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Then he goes and makes a statement to the media,
which I'm sure you saw that and you felt a
little bad for him. I thought he was gonna cry,
like that was tough. He stood up in front of
the media and was like, hey, thanks.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
A lot for an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And then, according to the media, he went to the
Giants said hey, guys, will you release me? And Marras
said sure, And now it's over for Daniel Jones in
New York. He was the sixth pick in the twenty
nineteen draft. His career record twenty four, forty five.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And one, and it was worse after he signed the
contract he got. He was noticeably worse. The other thing
is he will now go and be a backup somewhere
and he'll be a very good batch.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
So let's talk about that. Yeah, here's numbers the last
two seasons. Remember he's been injured, but I mean, Colin, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Like, he's signed the contract and he became the worst
starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Well, some of us saw, we saw this coming.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But he's a big, smart, strong kid. He's not fluid,
he's not a natural thrower. Everything feels like, you know,
he's got some good DNA. He's a big strong, strapping
kid that runs well. Nothing feels natural or easy for him.
He's not a starter, he's not a franchise quarterback. But
Sean mcvay's like Stafford's old. If Stafford misses two to
three games a year, can Daniel Jones move the chains.
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That's the kind of team I could see going for.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
If you're Daniel Jones and his agent, you instantly are
looking for any team in the Sean McVay coaching tree
that is it has a playoff pulse, and you say,
I will be the backup. I will hold the clipboard.
We've seen what it did for Baker Mayfield with the Rams, right,
Carson Wentz had a decent moment there. And then there's
a team like Minnesota with Kevin o' connell. I think
Minnesota would be a slam dunk move. Remember Kevin O'Connell
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took dude.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
What was it the pastor not.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Josh Dobbs came in off the street last year.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And was like, oh my gosh, what I think that's
a great call. By the way, I want to win
some people listening to my show a free beer. Next
time you go out to a lounge or a bar
and you want to win a trivia contest. Ask people
who's the only NFC quarterback to beat Lamar Jackson. It's
Daniel Jones. It's a great trivia question.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Remember that game because I was on the Ravens. They
melted in the fourth quarter. It was bad. I guess
the last thing I just saw Malite Neighbors is not
practicing today, doesn't even have his helmet at Giants practice.
So you got the Daniel Jones noise? Remember the dexter
Lord stuff. What do you do with this?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Bucks?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I mean, Buccaneers are big favorites in New York. What's
that locker room like? How do you handicap a game
like this?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Count? Well, I would take tam I think Tampa's got
more to play for the more inspired. I think Tampa wins.
I'm not going to bet it, but I think Tampa's
the clear side to play because I think I think
Tampa's not a great team, but I think they're inspired.
I think Baker Mayfield does a very good job in
creating belief. I think it's one of his strengths. When
he's feeling good, he can spread that locker room, make
him feel like this is our moment. So I think
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Tampa's gonna win.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And then you're looking for like second order effects. Let's
just say Tampa goes in and the Giants are listless,
that it's thirty to six. Yeah, okay, I know you
love Daboll.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, come on, let's oh wait, come on.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You don't think he's lost the locker room when Dexter Lawrence,
a leader on the defense, is saying, what are we doing?
He's our best quarterback and now he's off the roster.
Dable's got to be careful here, Colin.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know we like him, but no, I like him.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I think he's a great offensive coordinator. I don't know
about head coach. Okay, you don't think he's in any trouble.
All right, let's chart it here. November twenty second, cow
Hurt says Dable's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Dable's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Next story is Schadeure Sanders, Colorado superstar, probably not gonna
win the Heisman. It might go to his teammate Travis Hunter,
but Shadoor is bullish on his own draft stock. According
to Shaduur, he would have been the best quarterback in
last year's draft. Sanders said, I feel like I was
the best quarterback in last year's draft two. I know
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he knows he's the first in this one ever since
I was draft eligible, I knew I'm the best quarterback.
So our staff put together some numbers of Chaduur compared
to Kayleb Williams and Jayden Daniels from last year, and.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I, you know, take.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
From these numbers, which you will. I don't think Shaduur's
in that class of Caleb Jayden.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
No. So I've called people over the last couple of
weeks and just asked about Shador Sanders and they all
like him. He is not Caleb Williams as a prospect.
Holds the ball a little too long, there are some
things that are a little concerning. Throws the ball accurately
from any platform. Moves well enough, but likes to be
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a pocket quarterback. Shadeur's a pocket quarterback. He can move,
but he likes to be a pocket quarterbacks like c J.
Stroud CJ. Com move a little bit, but he likes
to sit in the pocket. That's what I like about him.
I like that his dad's a star star power. He
could handle it. He's been around big stuff and and
Prime does not baby him. According to Shaduur, So there's
a lot. I like him aout it. I don't consider
him to be an A prospect, A plus prospect. I
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think he's more B plus a minus. But I think
he's a starter in this league. I think I would
go forward if I was like the Dallas. I think
he's I think he's a very talented kid, and with
a right offensive coach and some protection early in help,
he'll be a successful franchise quarterback. He's not luck. He's
not Trevor Lawrence. Probably as a prospect, he's not. I
don't think he's checks as many boxes as Justin Herbert
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did or Joe Burrow did. But I think he's a
very good prospect and an incredibly weak quarterback class. He
is the best prospect easily at quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I know you're hyping the Cowboys stuff with Shadur, but
currently Jacksonville is in pole position. But they played I
know they have Trevor Laurnce and they paid him no.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But they played Tennessee twice, and that those two teams
up there are gonna know.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Okay, let's just say Jacksonville ends up with it.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Come on, they're not going to do He's not a
good enough prospect to drive him.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Jacksonville consider rebooting no quarterback on the rookie deal, get
a hole for Trevor Lawrence and start over.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I mean, Jacksonville is willing probably to do anything. I
would never try to predict what Jacksonville is gonna do
coach Belichicks.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yet Trevor Lawrence, Ah, take them a leave and give
me your door, and then you get the quarterback on
the rookie deal and you can spend, spend, spend, and you.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Probably get a boatload of picks for Trevor Lawrence. I
don't think it's the craziest thing. I wouldn't do it,
but I don't think it's the craziest thing. I just
came up with that on the spot and I kind
of love it. I mean, Trevor Lawrence would have a
huge market, massive, he'd have eight mines.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Jecks would give up seven first round.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, Trevor Lawrence would have a huge market, which always concerns.
You don't let go of somebody if they're going to
have a huge market and whatever. Industry, it is not smart.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
But the rookie contract, that's the kicker.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's where you really excel.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Final story Colin, Oh boy, I'm sure you were watching
this last night. The Lakers man lost their first game
in over two weeks to Orlando. It was a brutal ending.
Anthony Davis clangs two free throws with nineteen seconds left,
and then one of the Wagner brothers comes down, hits
that nice step back three over Cam Reddish and then
ad misses. At the buzzer. JJ Reddick shared what he
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does after the loss. What do you do to sort
of because now that you're doing this all the time,
being in the rhythm of losing and winning and all
of that is I'm sure an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You have to figure out how to figure out it.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Wait, at night, I go to a very dark place, literally,
it's it's the basement.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I turn the lights out and I watch film.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Getting away from the game.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Congratulations, Yeah, that's my therapy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
It'll be fine. Listen, it's the NBA. It's any two
games Steelers lost to an inferior team, Lakers will lose
to inferior teams. It's okay. I remember when Michael Jordan
the best team ever Michael Jordan. One year, I think
they lost to the Rafters twice. They never like an
expansion team or something.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I remember, Yeah, way you lost Lebron miss free throws
a D.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, Lebron's never been a great light game.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Throw and he was only one or two.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A d's the big culprit.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well again, I don't look at a D and Lebron
as elite free throw shooters to close out games. That's
always been the biggest knock on Lebron. You don't trust
some with a free throw late. It's it's it's not
He's not terrible, he's not. Tim Duncan or shot, by
the way, was amazing last time. Yeah, carrying, No, it's not.
I just think this is the NBA. You can't lose
any sleep on this stuff. You're gonna lose games to
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a young, energetic Orlando team that gets to play Lebron
James and they come in hair on fire.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
By the way, what do you do after a tough, tough,
tough loss like that? Are you a dark placed guy
or you?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
No? No, life is a chalkboard, Just wipe it and
start over. It's okay.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't go to a dark place. Well, unless it's
a lounge. J Mack with a news, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
That's the news and Thanks for stopping by the herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
There is a college football game this weekend where one
wildly talented team at home is a huge favorite, but
they just lost their best offensive linemen and they've struggled
in big games. So Indiana is at Ohio State, Buckeyes
favored by like two touchdowns. And I was looking this
morning at the talent discrepancy between these two on the
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Indiana and Ohio State rosters. Ohio State has fourteen to
five star recruits, Indiana zero. Ohio State has fifty five
four star recruits, Indiana ten. So it's a talent mismatch.
You're at home, but all the pressures on the Buckeyes,
and it's one thing to lose to Jim Harbaugh, Clemson, Georgia,
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even losing to Oregon at Otson Stadium. Who wins at
Otson Stadium, I'll tell you who. The Ducks. Olway's losing
to Harbaugh. They had eighteen players invited to the Combine,
a record. Losing to Georgia they had fifteen players drafted.
I think that was a record. This could get ugly. Georgia, Michigan,
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Clemson Otson Stadium. People are mad for about a day
and a half. But this Ohio State team has a
little whack a mole thing. Every time they play a
big game, there's something else that disappoints you. So Indiana's
a basketball school. Indiana is far less talented. Hey, the
pressure is one hundred percent on Ohio State. So the
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the Buckeyes love Buckeye fans. They're like no other fan base.
They lead the college football, they lead the industry and
pointing fingers, Connor Stallion's sec refs bias, media, grab a
mirror if you lose the Indiana because this is a massive,
massive talent disparity. Ohio State is favored by two touchdowns.
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If you look at the five star and the four
star athletes, and the recruiting services do a good job.
They miss, but they buy and large recruiting services. They're
giving guys five and four stars because they're watching the
coaches that want the high school athletes. So you know,
if Kirby Smart's interested, and you know the top coaches
Ohio State and Michigan are interested, you get more stars.
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So I think this game is fascinating because I think Indiana,
when I watch their offense, it's got a little bit
of an Oregon feel Now, I don't think Oregon would
have beaten Ohio State and Columbus and Ohio State did
go to Penn State, and winning Penn State has hammered
a lot of people. So I think Ohio State wins.
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But I think it's going to be closer than two touchdowns.
I think, and I think a lot of this is
there's a lot of pressure on Ohio State. Here, there's
a lot of pressure. So I'm gonna take Ohio State
to win. But you know, two touchdowns feels blow out.
And this is a really, really well coached team which
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shares some of Oregon's offensive identity.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Did you see the line movement in this game yesterday, Collin,
Well this it was thirteen and a half and it
cratered to ten and I don't know. So the speculation is,
is there a major injury? Not that center in the
offensive line, but is there a quarterback injury? Suspension? Is
something coming down? Because that's significant. That's a significant move thirteen.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And a half to ten When the line came out.
My first take is that's that. Doesn't you know I'm
a much better NFL than college better on average. I
have a better sense there's so many college teams. I
generally in college take the favorite when the NFL had
like this week, I'm taking four underdogs. I like dogs.
I like value dogs in the NFL. I tend to
like favorites in college. So I thought the line was
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out of sorts. Ohio State has all the I mean,
Indiana's going in there thinking, hey, if we keep it
close and lose, we're a playoff team. If Indiana loses
twenty eight twenty three, you're like, oh, Indiana's good enough
to be in the playoff.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Then Indiana's style points matter.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, the Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. You're like in Oregon,
they're the four teams from the Big Ten. But I
think think style points mattered this weekend. If Ohio State wins,
I'm not gonna, you know, pick it apart a win
to win to win, But you know there is some
value in having no pressure on you, and that that's
a rare spot when you're undefeated in a good team
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and there's no pressure on you. And that's Indiana. I mean,
you get on that plane flying back to Bloomington having
lost twenty eight twenty three and had a chance late
in the game to take the lead. You get in
that locker room and on that plane, and the spirit
of your program is we can play with anybody. And
you lost, So that's an advantage. I like Ohio State,
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but thirteen and a half was dumb to may any sense.
Coaching is so big in college football, and Indiana's really
well coached.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 6 (31:52):
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time as Purdue takes on Michigan State. The action begins
at eight Eastern only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So you know, there was a story. Jay Glazer first
reported it when the Bears fired or you know, got
rid of Shane Waldron, that Caleb Williams stood up in
front of the team and you know, heartfelt it's on me.
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I apologize, and you know, Caleb really let go emotionally vulnerable,
stood up in front of the team and the team
was already into it. DJ Moore's teammates said it bought
a lot of you know, legitimacy and gravitas to the
to the moment. A lot of the veteran players looked
at Caleb as like he grew up. He admitted he
was part of the problem, so it was a big
moment for him. He had self awareness. But let's we
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have ten starts with Caleb Williams. Let's take a big
view of what we have. Two different play callers, a
three game winning streak and a four game losing streak,
a Hail Mary loss, but yet a win in the
opener when Caleb threw for under one hundred yards. Through
it all, Caleb has completed sixty two and a half
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percent of his throws. Not bad for a guy playing
in front of a weak offensive line. That's a rookie.
He completed seventy four percent last week. I think that's
closer to who he is than sixty two percent, but
it's not terrible. Even at sixty two percent. He has
three games now without a turnover. His passer rating if
you take out his first two weeks when everybody, including
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bow Nicks, was completely lost, his passer rating is ninety
two and a half. Again, that's not bad. Bad offensive line.
He's remarkably athletic. You've got a winning streak. He had
his most accurate outing last week. He's not turning the
ball over. He's hyper athletic and if you take out
the first two games as a pro quarterback, his passer
ratings ninety two. It's not terrible. That's where we are.
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It has been what rookie seasons are. Probably too much
hype with him. But the offensive line we would all
admit was and is a problem. We thought it was
getting better, it got worse. So he's also about to
become the rookie Bear quarterback all time passing leader, so
it's actually there's a lot to like about it. I
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predicted the Bears would win seven games, maybe eight, and
finish fourth. That's what they're on track to do. I
think potentially the schedule. Do not get fixated on the schedule.
The NFC North is the best division in football. You're
gonna have three playoff teams out of there, potentially if
Minnesota or Green Bay don't flail. So if you can
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get to seven wins, seven and ten, his passer ratings
around ninety. He's not turning the ball over a ton.
He's got a bad online and he had to be
moved to his second play caller. It's not terrible. I
mean Greg Cosel watched this week, sees a lot of
things he likes.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
One of the things that really stood out to me,
and I think with a quarterback like Kila Williams, no
matter how gifted he is, and by the way, he
is one of the most gifted throwers I've seen recently,
just the way the ball comes out. But you needed
to sort of build up his confidence, build it back.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, they did. They schemed up layups, they got rid
of the ball quicker. If you just take a big
I mean, folks, if he played in the NFC South
and not the NFC North, this could be a nine
win team. Got Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina. They don't. They play
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in the best division and it's a division where the
offenses are supremely talented, so it's hard to win close,
low scoring games, and they should have. Last weekend they
outplayed the Packers. So the first thing I look at
is is he turning the ball over a ton? He's not.
He's not He's not lost. He's not turning the ball
over a ton. The game's not too fast for him,
got a bad offensive line and he needed a new
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play caller. But he's not turning it over a lot.
He's accurate enough. Last week seventy four percent he's accurate enough,
he'll probably if he could finish like sixty three percent accuracy.
That's for a rookie with a battle line in a
great division. His passer ratings ninety two if you take
out the first two games. Vone Nicks was lost. Look
how good vot Nick says was Sean Payton? He was
(36:12):
lost the first two weeks. Can't ask these guys to
walk in and be great. I mean Jaden Daniels was,
but now he's regressed. This is what it looks like.
C J. Stroud last year had three games in a rown.
He's stunk. I mean it just justin Herbert's finally got
the right coach, finally has the right offensive tackles. Oh,
he looks pretty good. So it's more, you can't just
get fixated on winning and losing. It is a process.
(36:35):
I think there's a lot to like here. So I
said this, the Browns beat the Steelers last night. I
am not sure what to make of the Justin Field snaps.
Now it was only seven. You know. My take was, well,
it's a slippery surface, hard to get your footing. Element
of surprise, Justin Field runs around. I did not like though,
(36:57):
third and four Steelers up. Russell Wilson's good on third down,
they bring him in, and Justin Fields misses on a
deep ball. It's like, guys, that's what Russell Wilson's good at.
Russell Wilson's good at the deep ball, let's let him
throw them. Justin Field does not. I didn't like that.
It didn't feel very organized to me. That whole situation.
I think, you know, Russell's wants to come in, Russell
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doesn't want to be replaced. It's only seven snaps, but
seven snaps can be a lot in a close game,
short weeks, knowing whether on the road, I think six
or the seven were in the second half. It didn't
feel terribly organized. What was the exact plan? Was it?
Because the surface was slippery, Russell Wilson was four to
oh throws a deep ball. It was third down. Russell
had been good on third down, so it kind of
(37:39):
classic Tomlin. There's things I like about him, but I
didn't feel like it was terribly organized. And I don't
have anything against Justin Fields, but I think you can
say this about Justin Fields and Pittsburgh when he comes in.
The more he plays, the more predictable he becomes you
kind of know he's coming in to run. That's kind
of what it feels like. So here's Mike Tomlin on
the decision after.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, I don't think that the weather was a factor.
We had intentions on using him and we did. You know,
I don't know that the weather conditions were a factor,
and that decision making.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
No starter wants to be pulled, especially a starter that's
four and oh as a starter, And let's be honest,
finally galvanized the offense, Like I just I don't know
what to make of at j mac du Yeah, one
of us.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
Kind of saw this coming yesterday. Huh remember that conversation.
So a couple things are at play. I know you're like, oh,
at four and oh colin first four quarters of the
Ravens game, did they score a touchdown? First three quarters
last night? Did they score a touchdown? So, all of
a sudden, the offense hitting a bit of a drought
in the division, and he decided, let's let's change it up,
(38:44):
let's get some justin fields. Oh, by the way, the
Browns last week got torched by Taysom Hill who had
who ran for like a billion yards, So I'm sure
Tomlin saw that and was like, oh, we can put
some justin fields in Taysom Hill situations. Brown's are ready,
but I'm just gonna go back to it. I don't
love the down to down stuff from Russell Wilson. He
hit a couple splash plays, but the success down to
(39:07):
down basis is not happening. I'm telling you. Have you
looked at the Steelers schedule, by the way, No, it's top.
I'm not saying sky's falling, but could you have two
more wins on their schedule?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Here here it is.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Find me the next two wins that they.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Have next week against Cincinnati at home and the following week.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
With well the Bengals off a bye. Steelers exhausted from
playing two divisional matchups in a row, and that's an
automatic win. Okay, next one is the Browns.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
So there's the Browns and then look at that gauntlet.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
To end the season.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Nine wins, nine and seven?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Does that get I think they're going to be ten
and seven?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
And are they in over say Miami or Denver.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I would take them to beat Miami in a playoff game. Oh,
I'm just saying Miami could beat them to the playoff spot.
Now ten would be tough for Miami. Top one. I
think Miami's very interesting. I think that New England Miami
game is going to be closer. It maybe in my
Blazing five picks, Blaze and five getting hot here on
the set and make sure stuff didn't catch fire, Blazing
(40:09):
five necks,
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