November 26, 2024 • 49 mins
Colin points out the hypocrisy surrounding Lamar Jackson after a big win over the Chargers on Monday night and the group of people who refuse to give him credit for it. He unveils his Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 teams in the NFL after week 12. He talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez who breaks down each of the rookie QBs Caleb Williams, Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels. Plus, former Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim joins the show in studio to discuss how he'd handle the Aaron Rodgers situation with the Jets and what he sees in Shedeur Sanders as an NFL prospect
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh it is a busy Tuesday on a short week
for us. Nick Wright, Mark Sanchez stopping by today among others,
heard Hierarchy on a Tuesday in one hour live in
Los Angeles, the home of Lamar Jackson dominating. It's the
Herd wherever you may be. Thanksgivings Thursday, however you may
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be watching us. Thanks for making us part of your day.
It's very interesting, Jmax. The Chargers had the number one
defense in the league. They were on third down, they
were great on fourth down. And something happened last night.
Suddenly they faced a team that scored thirty points, was
perfect on fourth down, was fifty percent on third down.
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I mean, what in the world happened to the Chargers
last night?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Derek Henry happened? He's a tough man to tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He certainly is well. It's also that pesky thing called hey,
Lamar Jackson's pretty good at quarterback. Now again, not a
terrible night for the Chargers. It's year one in the process.
They need themselves two or three z A Flowers. But
this about Baltimore and Lamar Jackson now ten and one,
he is last three years after a loss. Sixteen touchdowns,
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four picks in those games. He is relentless. He can
beat you over the top, he can beat you with
his legs, he can beat you underneath. You can't get
a hold of him. But yet at twenty seven years old.
By the way, mj didn't win a title until he
was twenty seven years old. But Lamar Jackson, whatever it is,
everybody wants to make definitive statements about Lamar Jackson at
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twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
New rule.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
When anybody in any career, it can be comedy, screenwriting,
tightrope walking, athletics. If anybody's great at twenty seven, I'd
scale back on the definitive statements. They're gonna eventually break through. Yeah,
Michael Jordan's first title twenty seven. You want to know
how many Super Bowls drew Brees and Peyton Manning had
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at twenty seven combined zero bagel, not a nothing. Be careful.
You can make definitive statements on a bust. Quintin Johnson
can't catch. There's my definitive statement for the Chargers first
round receiver pick last year. He can't catch consistently. But
everybody's trying to define a great twenty seven year old
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pro athlete. So that's the first thing. His work ethic.
He's the soul of the team. I mean, you're wasting
your breath. You can define people at twenty seven. If
they don't have a work ethic, they're not that talented,
they don't have any career momentum. He's not the guy
you want to do that too. The second part of
this story is the Chargers will probably look more like
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Baltimore in a couple of years. Their step one of
the process. But what has Baltimore done. Baltimore's done, what
Buffalo's done. They keep adding elements to help their superstar quarterbacks.
So we didn't have to be superman. So a couple
of years ago, you're like, you know, they could really
use some help at receiver. Zave Flowers. Save Flowers is great.
You can get him on a drag route eight yard completion,
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thirty eight yard game. You can get Zay Flowers over
the top, and then they add Derek Henry, who yet
it's hard to bring down. It's like James Coke and
Dalton Kincaid for Josh Allen. You want to have a
superstar quarterback, you don't want him to have to do
it by himself in every big game. And by the way,
when the Ravens went for it on fourth and one
at their own sixteen, that is a tip of the captain,
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Lamar Jackson. You don't do that with ninety percent of
the quarterbacks in this league. But if you got him
a Holmes, you got a Josh Allen, you got a
Joe Burrow, got Lamar Jackson, maybe you got a Jalen Hurts. Whoever,
You're always like, you know, if this doesn't work, it's
not like we can't score on the other end. That's
the confidence you have when you have one of these
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five or six amazing quarterbacks. Let's just go for That
becomes the default answer a lot of the time. That's
why getting the quarterback is the most important thing in
this league. You can always be aggressive you can always overcome.
You can take bigger risks. You can't take a risks
with an average quarterback. I mean there's some quarterbacks in
this league. If they're down ten to nothing, game's over.
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San Francisco falls behind seven none this weekend or ten
not and you're like, with a backup quarterback, game's over.
I don't even like brock perty down fourteen nothing, Lamar Jackson,
what do I care? What do I Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
what do I care? Right? So, you know the Chargers
they're gonna be fine, but they were the little brother
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last night and the big brother step three or four
five in the process and the look for the payout
now next few years. Zave Flowers, Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson.
I felt like I was watching the younger version of
the Ravens, where you've got a hardball coaching a star
quarterback and he just doesn't have justin Herbert just doesn't
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have enough help yet he will. Harbaugh is a good drafter.
They need a couple Jay Flowers. They could use maybe
a Derreck Henry too, But here's Lamar after.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I feel like for me, being a big brother is
like I can't lose to my little brother, you know.
And that's what I believe going into that game, he
was thinking a lot, you know. And then Jim on
the other side, I believe he was like, I gotta
get my I gotta beat my big brother.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
But he came out victorious.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And by the way, here's another thing. I know you
don't want to give Lamar a credit because he didn't
throw for four hundred yards, but remember that the Ravens
have now dropped thirty points on the Bills, Denver and
the Chargers pretty good defenses. Well, Dereck Henry when he
was down in Tennessee Titans weren't dropping thirty points on
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defenses like that. It starts with Lamar Jackson primetime Monday
Night Football after a loss. I'll put his numbers up
for the TV audience. He's money. And just so we're
clear here for all you Lamar haters, just so we're clear,
I want to get I want to get this clear.
So when the Ravens and Lamar lose to the seven
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and two Steelers in the one o'clock window, that's a
huge game. But when they beat Harvaughn Herbert in primetime
on Monday Night Football, on the road that one doesn't count.
Is that where we're at now, I'm just struggling with
a one o'clock window. I always thought Primetime, Sunday night,
Monday night, I always thought those were big games. Beating
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a harball, beating a star quarterback always felt like a
big game to me. Just just trying to keep track.
So yesterday, you know, I come on this show every
day as America's honesty broker, and I just tried to
give you the skinny. And I understand that your fans
and you and I are going to disagree on stuff
because you're very passionate about your teams. You don't call
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me looking for me to care about your team as
much as I do, because I don't. But yesterday I suggested,
and apparently this was met with outrage by San Francisco
media and fans. I suggested, I think San Francisco needs
the reboot. Oh, I don't know. There's this crazy thing
about being five and seven in your last twelve games, old,
expensive and brittle. That apparently was outrageous. So San Francisco
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fans have not yet accepted a very harsh truth. How
many great players do you have in their prime? Oka
Philadelphia got a lot of great players in their prime.
Detroit's got a lot of great players in their prime.
Last year was the last dance. And there's a reason
there's only been one documentary on a sports team's last dance.
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It rarely turns out like you think so. And if
you don't think, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
In the NFL, let me give you the Patriots who
went from a twenty year dynasty to Jenga in two years.
Crap all over the floor. Well, the Dallas Cowboys twelve wins,
twelve wins, twelve wins too? What the hell am I watching?
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San Francisco? You should know better? Nineteen ninety nine after
Montana and Steve Young, Steve Young gets hurt nineteen ninety nine.
Next twelve years, made the playoffs two times. This is
a sport where people are tackling each other, big strong
men are tackling each other. Stuff falls apart fast. Seahawks
dynasty here it never was, this is gonna be two years.
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So psychologically, the Niners have never ever been able to
hoist a trophy. And so how the Niners view themselves
and how the rest of us view the Niners are
two different things. Here's how the rest of us view
the Niners. The Kansas City Chiefs toy with you, Kyle Shanahan.
They're five and zero against you, four blowouts. You're not
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close to sand San Francisco. You're not close to Kansas City,
Oh to five, four double digit losses. They're getting better.
You're getting old and worse than expensive. They keep rebuilding
the old line, rebuilding a receiving court. Andy Reid, Mahomes
and his prime. You got Brock Purdy and an old, expensive,
brittle roster. It's not close. Now. Baltimore and Buffalo have
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superstar quarterbacks, so they still have a shot. And many
of their best players in Baltimore and Buffalo are in
their prime. But Brock Purdy in an aging roster. Does
that sound like you're on the precipice of a nine
year run? And I look at that schedule this morning.
You can blame whoever you want. You can go kicking
and screaming. I'm looking at that remaining schedule at Buffalo
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this week, Rams, at Miami, Detroit at Arizona. Chicago's no layup,
not the way Caleb Williams is playing. So how you
view yourself is not how everybody else views the Niners.
I view you as zero to five against Kansas City.
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You've had three coordinators in three years. They have the
best coordinator and the best head coach and the best quarterback.
And you have Brock Purty, a coach that's good but
blows late leads in big games, and you're on your
third coordinator and none of those in four or five
games can come close to Kansas City. Every time they
play it, same result. Kind of ugly. That's how the
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rest of us view it. Big brand, a lot of wins,
but this league, you crash hard. You crash hard. It's
not like NBA. Michael's great, he leaves for a couple
of years, Michael comes back, they have another dynasty now
that it doesn't not like that. It's like the Seattle
Seahawks get to a super Bowl, then another, then Sea.
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It's the New England Patriots, twenty years of dominance to
a Jenga piece on the floor around twenty other Jenga pieces.
Defensive coordinator gets hired as an offensive coordinator. What are
they doing? It's Dallas. They are this close to apparently
fourth place. That's the league. Kyle Shanahan on the current
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state of the Niners.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
You're one game out of first in your own division,
so that does say a lot, you know, especially being
able to play two of those teams left the first
six games. But you also know you look at the
whole NFC picture, and if you don't win the division,
it's you know, it's ten and seven is not guaranteed
to get in as wildcard by any means this year.
So I think everyone understands completely outside and inside what
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the situation is.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
By the way, brought pretty light throwing yesterday. A bit
of a mysterious shoulder issue. Nobody's quite sure what it is.
But they're a touchdown underdog. It's going to be cold
out in Buffalo. They're flying cross country. This is the
best Bills team in the Josh Allen era. You're staring
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at five and five and seven, and that would be
five and eight in your last thirteen games. And I'm
the crazy one. I'm I'm the one that doesn't know
what he's talking about. All right, Fine, I'll just take
it again. Show up every day. Dart board, a verbal
dart board from fans. It's unfortunate. Jmac Nick right in
one hour, hurt hierarchy in one hour. I looked at
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the Lions this weekend. Boy, that Detroit Chicago game tasty.
I'm just saying when I look at Detroit, so I'm
doing the hurt hierarchy. I don't remember the last team
that literally physically dominated other teams like Detroit. So America
right on Sundays, America watches their favorite teams. Thursday, you
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get to watch the Lions. You get to see what
you know people like you and I have to watch
all these games. I was thinking this morning driving in America,
is finally going to get a first look. Everybody collectively
is going to watch Detroit against the talented Chicago team,
and everybody's finally going to go, Yeah, Kansas City's not
that good, Buffalo is not that good, Baltimore's good, They're
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not that good. Philadelphia's close, but probably not that good.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You don't think everybody watched them beat the Titans fifty
two fourteen or the Jags fifty two to six. They
weren't tuned in for those.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, the NFL is kind of a regional league in
a lot of the big cities, So I'm interested to
see everybody's interpretation of Detroit now it is funny. Last
year on Thanksgiving, if memory serves me correctly, didn't Green
Bay or something go into Detroit and play and just
play like their game of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That was like the Jordan Loves Show.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, it was this performance by Jordan Love. We were
all like, what in the world are we watching? So
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
By the way, who's the best quarterback in the Thanksgiving
night game?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
T or Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Take your time on this one, because I know you
love one guy.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, I'm more of a Jordan Love fan. I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But this season, everybody better.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Everybody is saying the Thanksgiving games aren't good. I think Miami.
I just looked at the weather this morning. It's it's
gonna be cold. It's gonna be twenty nine degrees and
it's not snowing, it's not windy.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, let's keep an eye on that wind chill.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think it's gonna be I think Miami at Green
Bay is a great game.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, it's certainly better than Cooper Rush versus Drew Lock.
It sounds like Drew Lock could get the start. If
you don't got dinged up, I.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Don't know, very exciting, Yeah, be sure to catch live
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Speaker 1 (14:35):
App heard Hierarchy Time.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Listen. I like the Chargers. They're not gonna win the
Super Bowl. I think they could win a playoff game maybe,
but they're six and zero against teams with losing records
and they're one and four against teams with winning records.
So that's what they are. They need multiple playmakers. This
is step one of the pro sas their defense has
been very good. They got the quarterback and they got
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the coach. They remind me a little bit of like
a poor man's Kansas City Chiefs. I think they match
up with the Chiefs pretty well, but they're not a
super Bowl team. Last night another illustration of that. They're ten.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I really like Miami, I really do. I just take
to forget the record. This isn't the standings. Look at them.
Since Tua arrive, he's completing like seventy six percent of
his passes and his pass already is one sixteen. Now
they're going to cold weather. I can't wait to watch
that game in Green Bay. But when I watch them,
I see electric speed, I see all sorts of playmakers.
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I think their defense is better than people think. And
it's their first three game winning streak of the year.
I had him in at ten last week. I could
not believe how they completely dominated New England. New England
had been playing pretty well. I got them at nine,
number eight. Listen the Steelers. I'll say this. They're five
to zero against teams with a winning record. They're kind
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of the opposite of the Chargers. They've been a step
up team but have lost to like bad teams. I
like the Russell Wilson story. I like their culture. I
think they have a lower ceiling than your Buffalo's in
Kansas City's, Detroit and Philadelphia. But you know, at your
own peril, be very careful. Russell Wilson has played very
well in the fourth quarter. And do you know he's
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tied for the most touchdown passes by a Steter quarterback
in a season since Ben Roethlisberger retired. So if you
don't think Russell Wilson's an upgrade quarterback for Pittsburgh over
the last three or four seasons, you're not paying attention.
Number seven the Packers. You know, because all the injuries
and they haven't always look pretty, you forget they've won
six to seven games, their only losses to the Lions,
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and they're really good again. I think they're too young
to hoist a trophy, but I wouldn't want to play them.
They have become a run team. They're number three in
the league, Josh Jacob's power run team, with a lot
of carries, and so they are leaning on that. They've
also scored eighty three points off turnovers this year, so
they're creating them and when they get them, they're turning
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them into points. So they're not as dominant as a
Detroit or Philadelphia. They don't look like they have the
speed and the power of a Buffalo, but they keep
winning games against everybody not called the Lions. Number six
the Vikings four game winning streak. I really like the
Sam Donald story. I love their coach. I think they're
a coin flip with Green Bay. They're a very good
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road team, or maybe just their road schedule has been easy,
but they're five and one on the road, and so
that's something. They're also top ten scoring offense, top five
scoring defense. I do think Sam Donald's reckless nature could
upend them as we go in the season. But at
this point a good football team, you don't get the
nine and two with smoking mirrors, Vikings at six, number five,
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the Ravens. Their pass defense is going to burn them later.
But and here's the air thing. They're starting so slow.
They're such a bad offense in the first quarter. Kind
of they take their time, they sort of figure themselves out.
It's kind of a feeling out process. And then all
of in the second half, Derek Henry starts popping runs
and Lamar starts findings eight flowers. But Lamar once again
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for all you doubters, ten and one off a loss.
By the way, nobody could score on the Chargers except
Baltimore and Lamar. Okay, number four Philadelphia, it was such
a doubter. I mean, they're not a good first half
team on schemes, with coaching, they're a dominant second half
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team because their roster, in my opinion, is the best
in football. Number one total defense, number one rushing offense.
Here's the thing about Philadelphia Detroit, most of their best
players are in their prime. Philadelphia is the only team
it's got stars, just out of their prime, stars in
their prime, and stars Dalen Carter who probably aren't even
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in their prime yet. Their general manager, Howie Roseman, has
built this roster and this is what you want, young
stars not quite in their prime. Six or seven guys
in their prime. AJ Brown, three or four guys maybe
out of it, but that the seven game winning streak
since the buye. Whatever they did at the buye, and
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those buys matter. They're really good number three, but at
a big close game, I'd take Kansas City over him.
Now they did need a field goal to beat Carolina,
but I said this. Their defense is not as good
as last year, but I think offensively they're gonna be fine.
Noah Gray is now a thing a Xavier Worthy they're
kind of figuring out. You think if they get a
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buye for the Super Bowl, they wouldn't use Xavier Worthy.
They used Sky Moore in a Super Bowl. I think
the offense Isaiah Pacheco's coming back is going to be
much better by the end of the year than last year.
Their defense isn't quite as good, but the best defense
doesn't win the Super Bowl. Necessarily, the best coach, the
best quarterback, and a situationally great offense win super Bowls.
By the way, three of the last four games, Mahomes
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doesn't have a pick. I like that. Number two Buffalo
beat Kansas City. I think it's the best Buffalo we've seen.
Six game winning streak. They lead the NFL with eight
games of thirty plus points. I think their offense when
healthy is just a handful. Go ask Kansas City. Also,
nobody's getting two Josh Allen fewest sacks allowed in the NFL,
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less than one a game. They also have a real
running back and two real tight ends. I think, when healthy,
this is the best team in the NFL, and I
would take them. I think against Detroit right now, my
number one team. Number one is Detroit. I mean they've
outscored opponents seventy six to twelve in the last two games.
I don't think their defense is as good as the
data says. I think when you lead by three touchdowns
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in the third quarter and you know exactly what the
other team has to do. And that's one of the
disadvantages with Kansas City. They're in so many close games,
there's some guesswork on defense. I mean Detroit knows exactly
mean they lead half their games by two touchdowns beginning
of the second quarter. They start fast, they finish strong.
I still have questions in a big spot about Detroit's defense.
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I think it's it's not quite as good as the
data tells you. They've beaten on some kind of cruddy teams.
I think the top of the NFC is very thin.
It's Detroit and Philly. I think the top of the
AFC in the middle is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
All right, and with that we bring him on. We
love having Mark Sanchez on joining us in studio Fox
Sports NFL analysts. By the way, Mark has Seahawks at
the Jets at Seahawks Arizona this weekend, which was one
of the better performances by Seattle this year. Mark hazo
Is it is great to see him, my friend, great
to see you. It is, you know. It's what's been
interesting is to watch the path of these young quarterbacks.
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So Bownicks choppy, getting there? Wow right, Jayden Daniels, Wow,
Plateau Caleb Wow, whoa wow? Where are we at?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to start with, he's the one that's had
a coaching change. I watched him the last two weekends.
There was a lot to like.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Oh, there's plenty to like.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Even in his worst games, there's still stuff to like
that jumps off the tape that you say, Okay, I
can build around that. Sure, I got to fix this,
but I can build around that. I think the biggest
issue for him is this kind of just delays his
overall progress right in year one, to go through a
coaching change and potential head coaching change the next year, Like,
who knows what that's going to look like. So that
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can only delay his growth and maturation process in the
NFL as a as a quarterback or an impactful quarterback.
Right So, this year to me becomes a little more
of a red shirt year, barring them going on an
absolute heater and winning every game from here on out.
They got to play the Packers, they got to play
the lines twice. Vikings like, Okay, if that happens, then
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we're having a different conversation and you figure it out,
you put a band aid on it and a little
tape and hopefully you make a run.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Great.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I don't see that happening here. I hope they proved
me wrong. So this is basically a red shirt year.
I want them to get reps, get tape, make all
the mistakes. Now, it's almost like playing pickup basketball in
a way where you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Play pick up this year.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Just run around, have fun, try and figure it out,
see who you are as a player, mature as much
as you can, and then next year, we're gonna put
you in a structure, a structured league NJB or youth basketball,
youth sports, whatever, and we're gonna give you some parameters
the way we'd like you to play. Your footwork, your eyes,
you read, your timing, all that stuff. So I think
that's kind of where where he's at in his development.
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And it's really too bad, because you want these guys
to have time on task and sweat equity in a
system with one coach over a long period of time.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
That's the best recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, So obviously bo Nix is playing well and has
a great offensive coach. Because he had sixty one college
to and because it's Sean Payton, am I to suspect
that this is kind of what he is like. He
didn't have much beyond this but he was ready because
all of his college starts he was ready to play.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
He was definitely ready to play, having been in more
situations than most guys, right and especially back to his
Auburn days where they're not blowing teams out like Oregon was.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean, those are competitive games.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
A lot of times they were getting beat, you know,
learning how to play like that, because that was one
of the things that I struggled with coming into the
league is I had never won a fourth quarter comeback game,
as by the time I was a rookie, I didn't
win one my entire rookie year, and then my second
year we won like three or four in a row.
Last played last second, last drive type games, and we
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racked up a bunch of fourth quarter overtime wins.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Graduated and it was a step for me.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
But until you handle those situations, you never know how
guys are going to handle them in the league, even
if they've had him right, I'd prefer you'd been in
that situation. But most of the time at SC I mean,
I mean, we lost what two games that I started,
So in those two losses, sure we had a chance
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to come back at Oregon State, and we lost and
I threw a pick and we lost. So those kind
of experiences are important and I'd rather my guys get those.
If I'm coaching the quarterback, I'd rather he had those
experiences than not. But you never know how it's going
to come out in the league, for sure, and so
that's why you want everything else in place. You want
a great supporting cast, you want the right coordinator, you
want time on task.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And then let's see how he does.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
And if it doesn't work the first time, let's give
him a few more opportunities at it and see where
we shake out. But it's it's real when he gets
to that next level, because it's real.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I was saying this as I think in the media,
we tend to look at the greatest tiger Woods and
instead of just acknowledging, oh, there's never been anybody that good,
we'd pick apart the Phil Mickelson's who can't beat him,
And it's like some of this is just like Rory McElroy.
It's like, no, Roy's great chiefs. Well, no, no, no, I'm
actually going Lamar Jackson. Oh okay, And everybody's like, well,
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you know, he can't beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
And by the way, Peyton Manning for a long time
couldn't beat Braddy Belichick. This is not a criticism of Lamar.
I like him throwing twenty six times or less because
that means they are staying on identity. I like him running.
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If you throw an IDM on our fastball and don't
want to see your breaking stuff, throw gas. And so
when we criticize Lamar, I look at it as no, no, no,
he can pass it thirty four times. Yeah, his identity
is making defensive coordinators sleep in the facility three days
because you're not sure what you can do. Like last night.
It's a great example. You just give him enough snaps,
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he's gonna make you look out.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Sure, I think some of it is.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
We talked about opportunities for quarterbacks as rookies, you know,
limited opportunity at a fourth quarter comeback. Let's say if
they've blown everybody out in college. Well, it's similar with
this guy, meaning how many times is the defensive coordinator
that he's playing against going to force him into known
passing situations. There's just limited time on task because he
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makes guys miss in the backfield that are completely free runners.
I mean, at one point he just put the ball
behind his back and put a shake on. I think
it was Tard or somebody. What are you kidding me?
So the defensive coordinator can't plan for that. He's planning
for are we getting the free runner? Do I have
the right numbers? Am I going to force him into
a dropback situation? The thing they can't account for is
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his playmaking ability, his ability to just you know, shift gears,
go off script, and his athleticism. You can't account for that.
So the real question is he'll prove himself as a
passer in the playoffs. Again, this is what we talked
about last year. He's got to prove him as a passer.
Third down, red zone, throws, attempt you know, attempts, completions, touchdowns.
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That's where he's really going to be judged. These coordinators
are judged by how many situations? How many times can
you get him into that? Because if you don't, good luck,
You keep him up first and second now and getting
first downs, don't force him in a third and long,
don't turn them into a passer.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Good luck, dude.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know I said when Tua made fifty three million
base I said, it's more than I'm comfortable with. But
I watched Miami without him, they couldn't pick up first downs.
They're on fire. Now he completes seventy seven percent of
his throw so he's obviously got value. I want to
see you guys get paid. Brock pretty to me, same
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size now in a second injury athletic, but not Wow
is sort of toua to me. I think TWOA is
a prettier thrower. They both have very good offensive coaches
Shanahan Mike McDaniel. They both have weapons, So you you
as I say that, I think TWOA is better than
I give him credit for. I think Purty's not quite
as gifted as everybody else gives him credit for. If
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you paid two of fifty three, large party's agent's not
going on take thirty. This is what what am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
This is a lot of it's just preference, like chocolate
ice cream, strawberry ice cream, vanilla ice cream.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like py lot.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Some of it's just preference and what you like and
the way you're built to win. And a lot of
it is timing as well, just the timing and the
market right just because I'm buying this house and it
says it's worth two point five million dollars. The value
of that house might not be that, but real estate's skyrocketing, right,
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So I can't.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Really avoid that.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I can't say, hey, six years ago, this would have
been you know, one point too, why don't we work
with those numbers because people are like, no, dude, it's
a recency bias thing. So with Brock, he's just the
next guy in line. Whatever Dax was, boom, level me up.
And that's kind of the way it goes until somebody
changes that. So that's the way that's going to go,
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whether you like Brock or not.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The only argument to.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
The two of stuff I would say would be, if
I'm putting my Joel Klatt hat on is they weren't
that great with him when he got hurt, Like they
were losing the bills. I want to say, week two
or week three, whenever he went down, they weren't playing
great with him. So those next four games when everybody's like, oh,
we don't have to it, wool, they weren't that good before.
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Now that we have a bigger sample size, it's obvious.
It's totally obvious they need him. He's a great facilitator
for that group that they have, and then when it's
time to take shots and pierce the defense, he's got
that too.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
So they have everything they want.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
But I think when it comes to contracts and party
and all that, it's really gonna hamsterring that organization because
it's gonna be hard to keep everybody. If you pay
the quarterback that you can't keep everybody. And they've been
getting away with that for the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, So I want to get into So I
really he thought off of by I look at Arizona.
They have a real offensive identity, and you did this game,
and I'm like, boy, Seattle, good luck with this one. Now,
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I mean in.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Arizona had played great for a month. I know that's
an organization that I rarely trust, and I finally bought
in and they burned you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Gino had a pick in the end, So I mean
they gave Seattle, gave Arizona opportunities. But the pass rush
was incredible. And Jay Mack and I have talked about this.
What is Gino Smith? Well, he's tall, he moves, he's
got a good arm. I get why Pete Carroll was like,
you goin a lot of games with this guy, Like,
I totally get it. It's not a size arm movement.
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He'll throw the occasional WinCE. But that's life. You have
a play for it. Your thoughts, well, how should I
look at Gino?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Well, I think it's fair to compare him to his
first year starting two years ago, where he led the
league in completion percentage, Yes, comeback player of the Year,
Pro bowl Er, all that, and then last year took
a dip in production completion percentage wise, and then touchdown
to interception wise. He started off like three to one,
three touchdowns one interception.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
That's great.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Last year was like two to one, and this year
it's almost one to one or it is one to one, right,
So he's tied I think for leading the league in
interceptions or whatever. So I think eliminating some of those
where he's just gonna It's an impulse control issue, and
it's that last second. Is it worth it? That last second?
Is the juice worth the squeeze here? And if I
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play conservative, can we still give ourselves chances to win
and retain possession of the football. That's the hardest thing
to do as a quarterback when it's all happening all
at one time. Within two seconds, you got to make
a decision that affects the outcome not only of that play,
but the next drive, that game, the season, people's careers,
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your life as a player, you know, and in those
two seconds, you have to make the right decision. And
some of those things have to be premeditated. So when
we start talking about this Cover zero idea prep, yeah,
the film prep and all that, you're almost making those
decisions before they happen.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Because when you get.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
In the heat of the moment and you need to
make the right decision, if you're gonna wait till you're
in the backseat of the car with the pretty girl
from high school to decide whether you're abstinent or not,
it's probably not the time to make the decision.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Does that makes sense?
Speaker 8 (33:23):
So if you're gonna wait till those two seconds and
that heated moment of the game, you're probably not gonna
make that right decision. So a lot of this is prep,
a lot of this is getting on the same page
with the new offensive coordinator and all that stuff. So
if we roll this first clip, the idea of Cover
zero is to bring one more player than you can
block right, So as an offense, you have options. Once
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they use their motion indicator, they realize they got seven
guys there. I got five, zero lignement and a half back.
I got six. Oh boy, this is Manda man. There
is nobody in the middle of the field. Here it comes.
Here comes the pressure. Okay, what are my answers? Could
change the protection, I could throw it quick, I could
signal a route.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
What do I want to do?
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Gino decides that he's gonna pull from his toolkit and say, hey, listen,
I'm gonna bring the tight end in. I'm gonna change
the protection, signal the route.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
We're good.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Well, what's Kaiser White doing? He hit the ucheck we check.
This is the chess match that everybody talks about. They
got a veteran linebacker like Kaizer White who's played in
this system back in Philly with Gannon and says, hey,
get to cover three.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Boom. They checked it after Gino checked it.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
So now Gino's like, whoa, okay, now what charbon A
goes to block his guy that he's got a block
is gone.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
There's nobody there. They checked.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
So this is a good lesson for the quarterback and
running back. If there's nobody there, I need him out.
Gino's looking at the routes, knowing they got the defensive check, right,
they guess right, He's looking for the back. Everybody's blue
out of there. Okay, where's my halfback? Where's my outlet?
Charbone is still blocking, He's blocking nobody. Gino's like, dude,
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you're my ride home? The party's over. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You're my dd you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
And he's in there playing beer pong, like, dude, you
can't drive me home now, I'm on my own. I'm
walking home. And on the way home, he's got a problem.
He sees something flash and he thinks it's a good
idea to hop into another party.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Party's over, dude, go home.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Game's over.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Look At this play's over, you're up thirteen to three.
You have a chance to go up sixteen to three
and make it a two touchdown ball game, not just
a two score ball game. He ends up coming back
and having a great drive to win this game does right.
So you can't like criticize him too much. But in
that moment, I guarantee he would say, yeah, dude, I
was trying too hard. Yeah, and I've one hundred percent
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been there. You think it's there, and I can fix
everything with my arm. I can make it work. They
got it right, cut bait and move on. All right,
Let's see the second So then the second one he
does it exactly right. If you roll this clip, he's
going to do something similar motion indicator boom. There goes
a safety, flat top defense. Nobody in the middle of
the field. Gino has some des to make you could
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hear it on the broadcast. He goes Richie, Richie, Richie,
which is a gap protection. Basically, they're gonna slide all
five offensive linemen to the left, bring the tight end
on the right, bring him down in protection, and let
the back go handle the sea gap. So the back
has the sea gap, tight end has the D gap.
Everybody else. You slide for all the other gaps to
the left and wad it all up. You know there's
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gonna be pressure from this side. They're gonna overload your line.
So somebody's gonna try and break through that, and Gino's
gonna end up drifting away from it. You can tell
Buddha Baker's blitz him because the safety is stacked right,
on top of him. That's your indicator right there, and
Gino knows it. So Charbonnay is gonna go help the
tight end to the right. Gino is gonna feel the pressure.
He's already signaled to the receivers. Change the protection now signaled.
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He knows they're coming. You can feel it now. This
is different than the last clip. They didn't blow out
of there at the snap. They're advancing and attacking. So
he gives a subtle drift away from the pressure, away
from the free hitter, and he throws his beautiful out
route that he.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Signaled to in Jigba and Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
He basically signaled to those outside guys, clear out Smith
and jigb.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
But you know what to do. He got inside leverage.
It's covered.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Zero boom, breakout baby protection done, confirm it done, fall done.
So you can't tell me you can't do it. It's
just that next step contingency planning and impulse control. If
they happen to guess right and check out of your check,
you better have a plan.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I tell you I'd be a terrible quarterback. My impulse,
my impulse control is poor.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
It's hard. It's hard, but.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
What I love about that segment. It shows and there's
a there's a distinction between the line between doing it
right and doing it seconds. I don't even know if
it's that. I mean, it's it's boom boom boom, boom boom.
I watched the play last night by Justin Herbert where
he chose to run it in for a touchdown. Yeah,
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and there was a guy they showed, they showed the
back view. I would have thrown it to the corner
and he had like half a second. And I'm thinking you.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And half the country watching that guy's open.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I would like let it rip and he made the
right decision. And I don't think we understand, just intellectually
how hard this position is.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Oh, it's there's a lot. I mean, people question how
the heck could I play it? Knowing mine I do that,
but you did just fine?
Speaker 8 (38:19):
No, and sorry. Today is my son's eighth birthday. Have birthday, DJ,
I love.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Youbody, DJ. Let's hear it for DJ. Happy birthday, DJ.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I don't want to forget spoil my mom.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
One time, my late mother said I want you to
spoil your children, and I said, I am here to
give them life lessons. Jumping, Jackson wind Sprints eight am.
My mom has never been mad because you spoil your kids.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So there you go, and I'm sure you do, but
I great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
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Speaker 1 (38:52):
Got to an NFC championship. Multiple time Executive of the Year.
Steve Kahm, former NFL GM now is running football NFL
stuff for Clutch Sports. Well, it's it was funny because
I'm thinking of you, all these Arizona guys, Kyler Murray,
Buddha Baker, Connor McBride, the tight end you leave and
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they're all stars. Absolutely, all the guys that you acquired
and drafted. They this year. I will say this about
Arizona is you know Kyler Murray always had this stuff.
He does. Whatever it is they're putt they're putting HM
under center. Yes, you like the way they're using it.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
I love the way they're using them, and that's exactly
how I thought they should have used them all along.
His ability to be able to extend plays with his
feet obviously is his strength. But when you put a
guy under center like that, now, all of a sudden,
you set up the play action game, you set up
boots and waggles and different things he can do out
of the pocket.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Kyler.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
I mean, I really think all along we probably should
have had him in the gun or shot it. Should
have not had him in the gun, and we should
have put him in that position because Number One, they
got the run game going. James Connors playing out of
his mind. A guy has signed him free agency. He
has been tremendous. I think that they're doing a great
job though, of eating a run game, obviously keeping teams
off balance, and now being able to put Coyle in a.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Position to succeed.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, they had a stinker last week off of BUYE,
but I still like their talent. I want to ask
you this, It is weird. You know, in baseball, the
big markets have an advantage. In the NFL, you have none.
There's an argument the Jets and Giants are the two
most dysfunctional franchises in the league. And it's the Green Bays,
the Buffaloes, the Baltimores that are so well run. It's
the New York teams that are a mess. Right now,
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you're the Jets, GM is what is the first move
a new GM has to make with the Jets.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
I mean, I think with some of you, when you
look at the talent on that roster you got, I
think you got to get back to basics. I think
you got to get a little younger. I think you
got to cut the court on a couple of those players.
You're not going to the super Bowl anymore with Darreon
Rodgers and devont Adams.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
You're just not.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
So I think to me, it's a reset, reset everything,
get back to basics, clean some cap room out and
become healthy as a roster.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron, but you and I had
a discussion a while ago. You go back to us
last year in Green Bay, you can see him a yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Yeah. Listen, father time is undefeated.
Speaker 9 (41:04):
All players' skills diminish at some point in time, and
generally they have to know when they diminish. Sometimes it's
good that they do understand that because that puts them
in a better position to understand where their limitations are.
But at the same time, it's hard when these guys
play for a long time, it's hard to hear that
you are diminishing from a skill set standpoint, and long
story short, they don't have the supporting cast offensively to
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get him in the good position.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So I want to talk about if you look at
the draft order today, there are two teams that we
know absolutely that are going to draft quarterbacks. We say
Raiders Giants. Now, Sam Darnold will be out there. I
don't know if you'd want to coming back to New York.
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There'll be something else out there. So you look at
all these teams. Now, I think the Jags stay with
Trevor Lawrence. I think New England's got their guy. I
think Bryce Young may have bought himself another year or so.
Let's talk to college prospects. This is what you do
now for clutch sports. Yes, let's talk should do Sanders?
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
What do you look at? Is a ten times ten
year GM that you like? And what concerned you with
should Sanders?
Speaker 9 (42:15):
Well, let me say this first. I love all top
three quarterbacks in my opinion. The top three are Chaudor
cam Ord and Jaylen Milroe. Those are the guys I
have in that order. I love all three. They're coming
different flavors to me. Shaudor is the most polished player.
I think he's gonna be the first pick in the draft.
He has got a great skill set. He understands coverage,
he has great eyes, anticipation, all the things you look
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for in a franchise quarterback. Obviously, he's grown up with
it with his dad, and he's been coached well. I
think he will be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Anything you worry about with him holds.
Speaker 9 (42:45):
A ball too long. That he holds a ball too long,
And that's what some athletic quarterbacks tend to do. I
mean even with Kyler early on in the process. He
can hold the ball too long because again, their whole
life they've been able to escape pressure. Well, all of
a sudden, you get bigger and faster, you can't escap
pressu anymore. You got to play with your ears, your eyes,
and your instincts.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Okay, let's go to cam Ward Love his arm.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
What do you see, gun Slinger. He has got the
best arm talent in this draft. I mean when I
talk about arm talent, Colin he is off the charts.
Big arm, great velocity. He throws the far, the far,
hash to the out numbers as good as anybody I've seen.
That ball is still rising when he throws it. He
has got tremendous velocity, accuracy in touch. I think he's
going to be the second quarterback taken. And when you
watch his highlights here, I mean he puts on a show. Now,
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there are some issues with decision making and some other
things that.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
I've had to platform.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
He's a little off platform, and he can play with
outside the system at times and maybe not take some
of the checkdowns and some things yes and do. But
those slants, those those digs and those out routes, he
throws as pretty as anybody.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Jalen mill Roll, here's what I like. He's a he's
a it looks like a better Anthony Richardson. He's not
fluid though, Steve, he's a right mechanical yep, is that
you here?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Here?
Speaker 9 (43:55):
Here's the uh what I would I like to say
when I hear that. When we went back we evaluated players,
thirty two teams missed on a guy named Lamar Jackson.
You can say that Baltimore Ravens hit on him. No,
they traded up to thirty two to get him, so
they picked a player before Lamar Jackson in the first round.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
So thirty two missed on him.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
And I look back at that and I'm a humble
guy as you brought Jimmy Johnson on the said earlier
he cut me, so it really.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Humbled me coming here.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
But Lamar Jackson was not a great pure passer coming out.
He was a tremendous athlete. There was a reason why
he was picked thirty two, and he has changed his game.
Guys can get a little more accurate, I think with
mechanical work, footwork, all those things. Coaching, great coaching, Jaln Milrose.
Now that being said to me, I see somewhere between
Richardson and Lamar. I don't think he's quite as polished
as Lamar was coming out. That being said, I think
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he's a better player than Anthony Richardson, and he is
so much more explosive athletically than both of both of
those guys. I mean, he is a low four three
forty guy that can extend plays with his feet. He's
as big and strong, as explosive as they come. And
I think he's a good enough passer right now to
put you in it again. Everybody's got to understand semmatically
what you're asking him to do to cater to his strengths.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
But he's got a real chance.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I want to go back you, and I told you
this is the stuff I love. I've always told people
if I ever didn't do this, I'm jealous of you.
I go to dinner with Steve for two reasons. He
picks up the check and I'm jealous of him.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Rich Paul picks up the check. Thank you, Rich.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Bo Nicks. Did you think he would be this good?
Speaker 9 (45:23):
I would hate I'll be lying if I said no.
I mean, there's no chance I would say this. I
loved the combination, as we know when you put people together.
I loved him and Sean Payton. Okay, you did I
think Sean Payton. I have three guys that I think
are the best play callers in the NFL and the
best coaches in the NFL. From that standpoint, Sean Payton's
obviously one of them. Tremendous play caller, great coach, demands
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the best, holds players accountable. Yes, and a guy like
him is a coach's son.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
He's done it all.
Speaker 9 (45:50):
He's at the most starts in college football, and I
thought that he would be a guy that.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
Would really, really, really flourish under Shawn's coaching.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, you told me that. Caleb Williams, where are you
at now your thoughts sort.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
Of what I expected. Didn't love, you know, Cliff Kingsbury,
who I love to death and his close friend, went
in there, and I don't think that they took him
serious to hire him as an offensive coordinator. He's gone
on and floor somewhere else. I think they made a big, big,
big mistake by not hiring Cliff. I think you put
Caleb Williams in that situation and you see his natural
skill set and you see his potential, but you put
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them with the wrong offensive coordinator, in the wrong system,
in the wrong culture, and it's a mess. And the
Chicago Bears are going to go back to the drawing
board and hire a new coach.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
This all Cliff want the Bears OC job.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
I think he would have loved it, but he was
That was the first job he interviewed for. Then he
went on to the Raiders and then the Red you know,
the Commanders. I almost said the wrong word, but Cliff
in a great place. Obviously. That kid that he's got
has done a tremendous job. And as a student of the.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Game, this quarterback class isn't seem great overall. The draft
class in the NFL. Many have said it's a little
light at the top. But you you just told me
recently that you have just been the last month. You
are watching nothing but film. Is there a position group
you like? It's not a great quarterback draft, I'll throw it.
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Is there another quarterback later in the draft. He makes
fun of me because I think Riley Leonard, if he
sat for two years, could be something. Do we just
have three draftable quarterbacks? Do you see anybody else?
Speaker 9 (47:17):
There's some guys. I mean, obviously the kid at Georgia
Carson back he is. He's sort of fallen Quinn years.
You know, I think has some questions about him. Riley
Leonard is a guy that's funny. You name him Dave
Pass who works for ESPN. He was our play by
play guy. He called me last year when he was
playing really well for Duke. He said, is he remind
you of I said, from an athletic skill set standpoint,
just he's long, he's lanky, he can really run, and
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he's unpolished like another guy named Ryan Tannehill when he
came out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Ryan Tannehill, he came out of.
Speaker 9 (47:44):
Texas A and M as a former wide receiver who
changed in due quarterback. I think there's some similarities.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
There, Ryan Tannehill Riley, do you hear that j J
Max's been selling that guy stock day one? What do
I know? Finally, I watched last night. I think Jim
Harball's ahead of schedule. What was your takeaway? I don't
think they're as good as the Ravens. What was your
takeaway last.
Speaker 9 (48:05):
Night saying they're just not good enough? He hadn't had
enough drafts to put the personnel in place. From my standpoint,
Jim Harball has changed that culture already.
Speaker 7 (48:14):
They're ahead of the curve.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
Everything you said about him last this year when I
heard you sort of beating the drum for Jim Harball,
you nailed it. He has set the tone there and
he has laid the foundation. To me, the next step is,
bottom line, give me good players. Joe Hortiz GM, former
Baltimore raven a friend of mine, fantastic, does a great
job identifying talent. Has the Baltimore Ravens way. They just
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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be watching us. Thanks for making us part of your day.
It's very interesting, Jmax. The Chargers had the number one
defense in the league. They were on third down, they
were great on fourth down. And something happened last night.
Suddenly they faced a team that scored thirty points, was
perfect on fourth down, was fifty percent on third down.
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I mean, what in the world happened to the Chargers
last night?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Derek Henry happened? He's a tough man to tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He certainly is well. It's also that pesky thing called hey,
Lamar Jackson's pretty good at quarterback. Now again, not a
terrible night for the Chargers. It's year one in the process.
They need themselves two or three z A Flowers. But
this about Baltimore and Lamar Jackson now ten and one,
he is last three years after a loss. Sixteen touchdowns,
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four picks in those games. He is relentless. He can
beat you over the top, he can beat you with
his legs, he can beat you underneath. You can't get
a hold of him. But yet at twenty seven years old.
By the way, mj didn't win a title until he
was twenty seven years old. But Lamar Jackson, whatever it is,
everybody wants to make definitive statements about Lamar Jackson at
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twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
New rule.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
When anybody in any career, it can be comedy, screenwriting,
tightrope walking, athletics. If anybody's great at twenty seven, I'd
scale back on the definitive statements. They're gonna eventually break through. Yeah,
Michael Jordan's first title twenty seven. You want to know
how many Super Bowls drew Brees and Peyton Manning had
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at twenty seven combined zero bagel, not a nothing. Be careful.
You can make definitive statements on a bust. Quintin Johnson
can't catch. There's my definitive statement for the Chargers first
round receiver pick last year. He can't catch consistently. But
everybody's trying to define a great twenty seven year old
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pro athlete. So that's the first thing. His work ethic.
He's the soul of the team. I mean, you're wasting
your breath. You can define people at twenty seven. If
they don't have a work ethic, they're not that talented,
they don't have any career momentum. He's not the guy
you want to do that too. The second part of
this story is the Chargers will probably look more like
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Baltimore in a couple of years. Their step one of
the process. But what has Baltimore done. Baltimore's done, what
Buffalo's done. They keep adding elements to help their superstar quarterbacks.
So we didn't have to be superman. So a couple
of years ago, you're like, you know, they could really
use some help at receiver. Zave Flowers. Save Flowers is great.
You can get him on a drag route eight yard completion,
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thirty eight yard game. You can get Zay Flowers over
the top, and then they add Derek Henry, who yet
it's hard to bring down. It's like James Coke and
Dalton Kincaid for Josh Allen. You want to have a
superstar quarterback, you don't want him to have to do
it by himself in every big game. And by the way,
when the Ravens went for it on fourth and one
at their own sixteen, that is a tip of the captain,
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Lamar Jackson. You don't do that with ninety percent of
the quarterbacks in this league. But if you got him
a Holmes, you got a Josh Allen, you got a
Joe Burrow, got Lamar Jackson, maybe you got a Jalen Hurts. Whoever,
You're always like, you know, if this doesn't work, it's
not like we can't score on the other end. That's
the confidence you have when you have one of these
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five or six amazing quarterbacks. Let's just go for That
becomes the default answer a lot of the time. That's
why getting the quarterback is the most important thing in
this league. You can always be aggressive you can always overcome.
You can take bigger risks. You can't take a risks
with an average quarterback. I mean there's some quarterbacks in
this league. If they're down ten to nothing, game's over.
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San Francisco falls behind seven none this weekend or ten
not and you're like, with a backup quarterback, game's over.
I don't even like brock perty down fourteen nothing, Lamar Jackson,
what do I care? What do I Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
what do I care? Right? So, you know the Chargers
they're gonna be fine, but they were the little brother
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last night and the big brother step three or four
five in the process and the look for the payout
now next few years. Zave Flowers, Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson.
I felt like I was watching the younger version of
the Ravens, where you've got a hardball coaching a star
quarterback and he just doesn't have justin Herbert just doesn't
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have enough help yet he will. Harbaugh is a good drafter.
They need a couple Jay Flowers. They could use maybe
a Derreck Henry too, But here's Lamar after.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I feel like for me, being a big brother is
like I can't lose to my little brother, you know.
And that's what I believe going into that game, he
was thinking a lot, you know. And then Jim on
the other side, I believe he was like, I gotta
get my I gotta beat my big brother.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
But he came out victorious.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And by the way, here's another thing. I know you
don't want to give Lamar a credit because he didn't
throw for four hundred yards, but remember that the Ravens
have now dropped thirty points on the Bills, Denver and
the Chargers pretty good defenses. Well, Dereck Henry when he
was down in Tennessee Titans weren't dropping thirty points on
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defenses like that. It starts with Lamar Jackson primetime Monday
Night Football after a loss. I'll put his numbers up
for the TV audience. He's money. And just so we're
clear here for all you Lamar haters, just so we're clear,
I want to get I want to get this clear.
So when the Ravens and Lamar lose to the seven
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and two Steelers in the one o'clock window, that's a
huge game. But when they beat Harvaughn Herbert in primetime
on Monday Night Football, on the road that one doesn't count.
Is that where we're at now, I'm just struggling with
a one o'clock window. I always thought Primetime, Sunday night,
Monday night, I always thought those were big games. Beating
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a harball, beating a star quarterback always felt like a
big game to me. Just just trying to keep track.
So yesterday, you know, I come on this show every
day as America's honesty broker, and I just tried to
give you the skinny. And I understand that your fans
and you and I are going to disagree on stuff
because you're very passionate about your teams. You don't call
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me looking for me to care about your team as
much as I do, because I don't. But yesterday I suggested,
and apparently this was met with outrage by San Francisco
media and fans. I suggested, I think San Francisco needs
the reboot. Oh, I don't know. There's this crazy thing
about being five and seven in your last twelve games, old,
expensive and brittle. That apparently was outrageous. So San Francisco
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fans have not yet accepted a very harsh truth. How
many great players do you have in their prime? Oka
Philadelphia got a lot of great players in their prime.
Detroit's got a lot of great players in their prime.
Last year was the last dance. And there's a reason
there's only been one documentary on a sports team's last dance.
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It rarely turns out like you think so. And if
you don't think, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
In the NFL, let me give you the Patriots who
went from a twenty year dynasty to Jenga in two years.
Crap all over the floor. Well, the Dallas Cowboys twelve wins,
twelve wins, twelve wins too? What the hell am I watching?
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San Francisco? You should know better? Nineteen ninety nine after
Montana and Steve Young, Steve Young gets hurt nineteen ninety nine.
Next twelve years, made the playoffs two times. This is
a sport where people are tackling each other, big strong
men are tackling each other. Stuff falls apart fast. Seahawks
dynasty here it never was, this is gonna be two years.
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So psychologically, the Niners have never ever been able to
hoist a trophy. And so how the Niners view themselves
and how the rest of us view the Niners are
two different things. Here's how the rest of us view
the Niners. The Kansas City Chiefs toy with you, Kyle Shanahan.
They're five and zero against you, four blowouts. You're not
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close to sand San Francisco. You're not close to Kansas City,
Oh to five, four double digit losses. They're getting better.
You're getting old and worse than expensive. They keep rebuilding
the old line, rebuilding a receiving court. Andy Reid, Mahomes
and his prime. You got Brock Purdy and an old, expensive,
brittle roster. It's not close. Now. Baltimore and Buffalo have
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superstar quarterbacks, so they still have a shot. And many
of their best players in Baltimore and Buffalo are in
their prime. But Brock Purdy in an aging roster. Does
that sound like you're on the precipice of a nine
year run? And I look at that schedule this morning.
You can blame whoever you want. You can go kicking
and screaming. I'm looking at that remaining schedule at Buffalo
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this week, Rams, at Miami, Detroit at Arizona. Chicago's no layup,
not the way Caleb Williams is playing. So how you
view yourself is not how everybody else views the Niners.
I view you as zero to five against Kansas City.
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You've had three coordinators in three years. They have the
best coordinator and the best head coach and the best quarterback.
And you have Brock Purty, a coach that's good but
blows late leads in big games, and you're on your
third coordinator and none of those in four or five
games can come close to Kansas City. Every time they
play it, same result. Kind of ugly. That's how the
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rest of us view it. Big brand, a lot of wins,
but this league, you crash hard. You crash hard. It's
not like NBA. Michael's great, he leaves for a couple
of years, Michael comes back, they have another dynasty now
that it doesn't not like that. It's like the Seattle
Seahawks get to a super Bowl, then another, then Sea.
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It's the New England Patriots, twenty years of dominance to
a Jenga piece on the floor around twenty other Jenga pieces.
Defensive coordinator gets hired as an offensive coordinator. What are
they doing? It's Dallas. They are this close to apparently
fourth place. That's the league. Kyle Shanahan on the current
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state of the Niners.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
You're one game out of first in your own division,
so that does say a lot, you know, especially being
able to play two of those teams left the first
six games. But you also know you look at the
whole NFC picture, and if you don't win the division,
it's you know, it's ten and seven is not guaranteed
to get in as wildcard by any means this year.
So I think everyone understands completely outside and inside what
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the situation is.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
By the way, brought pretty light throwing yesterday. A bit
of a mysterious shoulder issue. Nobody's quite sure what it is.
But they're a touchdown underdog. It's going to be cold
out in Buffalo. They're flying cross country. This is the
best Bills team in the Josh Allen era. You're staring
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at five and five and seven, and that would be
five and eight in your last thirteen games. And I'm
the crazy one. I'm I'm the one that doesn't know
what he's talking about. All right, Fine, I'll just take
it again. Show up every day. Dart board, a verbal
dart board from fans. It's unfortunate. Jmac Nick right in
one hour, hurt hierarchy in one hour. I looked at
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the Lions this weekend. Boy, that Detroit Chicago game tasty.
I'm just saying when I look at Detroit, so I'm
doing the hurt hierarchy. I don't remember the last team
that literally physically dominated other teams like Detroit. So America
right on Sundays, America watches their favorite teams. Thursday, you
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get to watch the Lions. You get to see what
you know people like you and I have to watch
all these games. I was thinking this morning driving in America,
is finally going to get a first look. Everybody collectively
is going to watch Detroit against the talented Chicago team,
and everybody's finally going to go, Yeah, Kansas City's not
that good, Buffalo is not that good, Baltimore's good, They're
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not that good. Philadelphia's close, but probably not that good.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You don't think everybody watched them beat the Titans fifty
two fourteen or the Jags fifty two to six. They
weren't tuned in for those.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, the NFL is kind of a regional league in
a lot of the big cities, So I'm interested to
see everybody's interpretation of Detroit now it is funny. Last
year on Thanksgiving, if memory serves me correctly, didn't Green
Bay or something go into Detroit and play and just
play like their game of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That was like the Jordan Loves Show.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, it was this performance by Jordan Love. We were
all like, what in the world are we watching? So
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
By the way, who's the best quarterback in the Thanksgiving
night game?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
T or Jordan Love?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Take your time on this one, because I know you
love one guy.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, I'm more of a Jordan Love fan. I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But this season, everybody better.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Everybody is saying the Thanksgiving games aren't good. I think Miami.
I just looked at the weather this morning. It's it's
gonna be cold. It's gonna be twenty nine degrees and
it's not snowing, it's not windy.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, let's keep an eye on that wind chill.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think it's gonna be I think Miami at Green
Bay is a great game.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, it's certainly better than Cooper Rush versus Drew Lock.
It sounds like Drew Lock could get the start. If
you don't got dinged up, I.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Don't know, very exciting, Yeah, be sure to catch live
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Speaker 1 (14:35):
App heard Hierarchy Time.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Listen. I like the Chargers. They're not gonna win the
Super Bowl. I think they could win a playoff game maybe,
but they're six and zero against teams with losing records
and they're one and four against teams with winning records.
So that's what they are. They need multiple playmakers. This
is step one of the pro sas their defense has
been very good. They got the quarterback and they got
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the coach. They remind me a little bit of like
a poor man's Kansas City Chiefs. I think they match
up with the Chiefs pretty well, but they're not a
super Bowl team. Last night another illustration of that. They're ten.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I really like Miami, I really do. I just take
to forget the record. This isn't the standings. Look at them.
Since Tua arrive, he's completing like seventy six percent of
his passes and his pass already is one sixteen. Now
they're going to cold weather. I can't wait to watch
that game in Green Bay. But when I watch them,
I see electric speed, I see all sorts of playmakers.
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I think their defense is better than people think. And
it's their first three game winning streak of the year.
I had him in at ten last week. I could
not believe how they completely dominated New England. New England
had been playing pretty well. I got them at nine,
number eight. Listen the Steelers. I'll say this. They're five
to zero against teams with a winning record. They're kind
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of the opposite of the Chargers. They've been a step
up team but have lost to like bad teams. I
like the Russell Wilson story. I like their culture. I
think they have a lower ceiling than your Buffalo's in
Kansas City's, Detroit and Philadelphia. But you know, at your
own peril, be very careful. Russell Wilson has played very
well in the fourth quarter. And do you know he's
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tied for the most touchdown passes by a Steter quarterback
in a season since Ben Roethlisberger retired. So if you
don't think Russell Wilson's an upgrade quarterback for Pittsburgh over
the last three or four seasons, you're not paying attention.
Number seven the Packers. You know, because all the injuries
and they haven't always look pretty, you forget they've won
six to seven games, their only losses to the Lions,
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and they're really good again. I think they're too young
to hoist a trophy, but I wouldn't want to play them.
They have become a run team. They're number three in
the league, Josh Jacob's power run team, with a lot
of carries, and so they are leaning on that. They've
also scored eighty three points off turnovers this year, so
they're creating them and when they get them, they're turning
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them into points. So they're not as dominant as a
Detroit or Philadelphia. They don't look like they have the
speed and the power of a Buffalo, but they keep
winning games against everybody not called the Lions. Number six
the Vikings four game winning streak. I really like the
Sam Donald story. I love their coach. I think they're
a coin flip with Green Bay. They're a very good
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road team, or maybe just their road schedule has been easy,
but they're five and one on the road, and so
that's something. They're also top ten scoring offense, top five
scoring defense. I do think Sam Donald's reckless nature could
upend them as we go in the season. But at
this point a good football team, you don't get the
nine and two with smoking mirrors, Vikings at six, number five,
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the Ravens. Their pass defense is going to burn them later.
But and here's the air thing. They're starting so slow.
They're such a bad offense in the first quarter. Kind
of they take their time, they sort of figure themselves out.
It's kind of a feeling out process. And then all
of in the second half, Derek Henry starts popping runs
and Lamar starts findings eight flowers. But Lamar once again
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for all you doubters, ten and one off a loss.
By the way, nobody could score on the Chargers except
Baltimore and Lamar. Okay, number four Philadelphia, it was such
a doubter. I mean, they're not a good first half
team on schemes, with coaching, they're a dominant second half
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team because their roster, in my opinion, is the best
in football. Number one total defense, number one rushing offense.
Here's the thing about Philadelphia Detroit, most of their best
players are in their prime. Philadelphia is the only team
it's got stars, just out of their prime, stars in
their prime, and stars Dalen Carter who probably aren't even
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in their prime yet. Their general manager, Howie Roseman, has
built this roster and this is what you want, young
stars not quite in their prime. Six or seven guys
in their prime. AJ Brown, three or four guys maybe
out of it, but that the seven game winning streak
since the buye. Whatever they did at the buye, and
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those buys matter. They're really good number three, but at
a big close game, I'd take Kansas City over him.
Now they did need a field goal to beat Carolina,
but I said this. Their defense is not as good
as last year, but I think offensively they're gonna be fine.
Noah Gray is now a thing a Xavier Worthy they're
kind of figuring out. You think if they get a
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buye for the Super Bowl, they wouldn't use Xavier Worthy.
They used Sky Moore in a Super Bowl. I think
the offense Isaiah Pacheco's coming back is going to be
much better by the end of the year than last year.
Their defense isn't quite as good, but the best defense
doesn't win the Super Bowl. Necessarily, the best coach, the
best quarterback, and a situationally great offense win super Bowls.
By the way, three of the last four games, Mahomes
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doesn't have a pick. I like that. Number two Buffalo
beat Kansas City. I think it's the best Buffalo we've seen.
Six game winning streak. They lead the NFL with eight
games of thirty plus points. I think their offense when
healthy is just a handful. Go ask Kansas City. Also,
nobody's getting two Josh Allen fewest sacks allowed in the NFL,
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less than one a game. They also have a real
running back and two real tight ends. I think, when healthy,
this is the best team in the NFL, and I
would take them. I think against Detroit right now, my
number one team. Number one is Detroit. I mean they've
outscored opponents seventy six to twelve in the last two games.
I don't think their defense is as good as the
data says. I think when you lead by three touchdowns
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in the third quarter and you know exactly what the
other team has to do. And that's one of the
disadvantages with Kansas City. They're in so many close games,
there's some guesswork on defense. I mean Detroit knows exactly
mean they lead half their games by two touchdowns beginning
of the second quarter. They start fast, they finish strong.
I still have questions in a big spot about Detroit's defense.
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I think it's it's not quite as good as the
data tells you. They've beaten on some kind of cruddy teams.
I think the top of the NFC is very thin.
It's Detroit and Philly. I think the top of the
AFC in the middle is pretty good.
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
All right, and with that we bring him on. We
love having Mark Sanchez on joining us in studio Fox
Sports NFL analysts. By the way, Mark has Seahawks at
the Jets at Seahawks Arizona this weekend, which was one
of the better performances by Seattle this year. Mark hazo
Is it is great to see him, my friend, great
to see you. It is, you know. It's what's been
interesting is to watch the path of these young quarterbacks.
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So Bownicks choppy, getting there? Wow right, Jayden Daniels, Wow,
Plateau Caleb Wow, whoa wow? Where are we at?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I want to start with, he's the one that's had
a coaching change. I watched him the last two weekends.
There was a lot to like.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Oh, there's plenty to like.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Even in his worst games, there's still stuff to like
that jumps off the tape that you say, Okay, I
can build around that. Sure, I got to fix this,
but I can build around that. I think the biggest
issue for him is this kind of just delays his
overall progress right in year one, to go through a
coaching change and potential head coaching change the next year, Like,
who knows what that's going to look like. So that
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can only delay his growth and maturation process in the
NFL as a as a quarterback or an impactful quarterback.
Right So, this year to me becomes a little more
of a red shirt year, barring them going on an
absolute heater and winning every game from here on out.
They got to play the Packers, they got to play
the lines twice. Vikings like, Okay, if that happens, then
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we're having a different conversation and you figure it out,
you put a band aid on it and a little
tape and hopefully you make a run.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Great.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I don't see that happening here. I hope they proved
me wrong. So this is basically a red shirt year.
I want them to get reps, get tape, make all
the mistakes. Now, it's almost like playing pickup basketball in
a way where you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Play pick up this year.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Just run around, have fun, try and figure it out,
see who you are as a player, mature as much
as you can, and then next year, we're gonna put
you in a structure, a structured league NJB or youth basketball,
youth sports, whatever, and we're gonna give you some parameters
the way we'd like you to play. Your footwork, your eyes,
you read, your timing, all that stuff. So I think
that's kind of where where he's at in his development.
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And it's really too bad, because you want these guys
to have time on task and sweat equity in a
system with one coach over a long period of time.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
That's the best recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, So obviously bo Nix is playing well and has
a great offensive coach. Because he had sixty one college
to and because it's Sean Payton, am I to suspect
that this is kind of what he is like. He
didn't have much beyond this but he was ready because
all of his college starts he was ready to play.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
He was definitely ready to play, having been in more
situations than most guys, right and especially back to his
Auburn days where they're not blowing teams out like Oregon was.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean, those are competitive games.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
A lot of times they were getting beat, you know,
learning how to play like that, because that was one
of the things that I struggled with coming into the
league is I had never won a fourth quarter comeback game,
as by the time I was a rookie, I didn't
win one my entire rookie year, and then my second
year we won like three or four in a row.
Last played last second, last drive type games, and we
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racked up a bunch of fourth quarter overtime wins.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Graduated and it was a step for me.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
But until you handle those situations, you never know how
guys are going to handle them in the league, even
if they've had him right, I'd prefer you'd been in
that situation. But most of the time at SC I mean,
I mean, we lost what two games that I started,
So in those two losses, sure we had a chance
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to come back at Oregon State, and we lost and
I threw a pick and we lost. So those kind
of experiences are important and I'd rather my guys get those.
If I'm coaching the quarterback, I'd rather he had those
experiences than not. But you never know how it's going
to come out in the league, for sure, and so
that's why you want everything else in place. You want
a great supporting cast, you want the right coordinator, you
want time on task.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And then let's see how he does.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
And if it doesn't work the first time, let's give
him a few more opportunities at it and see where
we shake out. But it's it's real when he gets
to that next level, because it's real.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I was saying this as I think in the media,
we tend to look at the greatest tiger Woods and
instead of just acknowledging, oh, there's never been anybody that good,
we'd pick apart the Phil Mickelson's who can't beat him,
And it's like some of this is just like Rory McElroy.
It's like, no, Roy's great chiefs. Well, no, no, no, I'm
actually going Lamar Jackson. Oh okay, And everybody's like, well,
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you know, he can't beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
And by the way, Peyton Manning for a long time
couldn't beat Braddy Belichick. This is not a criticism of Lamar.
I like him throwing twenty six times or less because
that means they are staying on identity. I like him running.
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If you throw an IDM on our fastball and don't
want to see your breaking stuff, throw gas. And so
when we criticize Lamar, I look at it as no, no, no,
he can pass it thirty four times. Yeah, his identity
is making defensive coordinators sleep in the facility three days
because you're not sure what you can do. Like last night.
It's a great example. You just give him enough snaps,
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he's gonna make you look out.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Sure, I think some of it is.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
We talked about opportunities for quarterbacks as rookies, you know,
limited opportunity at a fourth quarter comeback. Let's say if
they've blown everybody out in college. Well, it's similar with
this guy, meaning how many times is the defensive coordinator
that he's playing against going to force him into known
passing situations. There's just limited time on task because he
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makes guys miss in the backfield that are completely free runners.
I mean, at one point he just put the ball
behind his back and put a shake on. I think
it was Tard or somebody. What are you kidding me?
So the defensive coordinator can't plan for that. He's planning
for are we getting the free runner? Do I have
the right numbers? Am I going to force him into
a dropback situation? The thing they can't account for is
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his playmaking ability, his ability to just you know, shift gears,
go off script, and his athleticism. You can't account for that.
So the real question is he'll prove himself as a
passer in the playoffs. Again, this is what we talked
about last year. He's got to prove him as a passer.
Third down, red zone, throws, attempt you know, attempts, completions, touchdowns.
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That's where he's really going to be judged. These coordinators
are judged by how many situations? How many times can
you get him into that? Because if you don't, good luck,
You keep him up first and second now and getting
first downs, don't force him in a third and long,
don't turn them into a passer.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Good luck, dude.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know I said when Tua made fifty three million
base I said, it's more than I'm comfortable with. But
I watched Miami without him, they couldn't pick up first downs.
They're on fire. Now he completes seventy seven percent of
his throw so he's obviously got value. I want to
see you guys get paid. Brock pretty to me, same
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size now in a second injury athletic, but not Wow
is sort of toua to me. I think TWOA is
a prettier thrower. They both have very good offensive coaches
Shanahan Mike McDaniel. They both have weapons, So you you
as I say that, I think TWOA is better than
I give him credit for. I think Purty's not quite
as gifted as everybody else gives him credit for. If
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you paid two of fifty three, large party's agent's not
going on take thirty. This is what what am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
No?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
This is a lot of it's just preference, like chocolate
ice cream, strawberry ice cream, vanilla ice cream.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like py lot.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Some of it's just preference and what you like and
the way you're built to win. And a lot of
it is timing as well, just the timing and the
market right just because I'm buying this house and it
says it's worth two point five million dollars. The value
of that house might not be that, but real estate's skyrocketing, right,
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So I can't.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Really avoid that.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I can't say, hey, six years ago, this would have
been you know, one point too, why don't we work
with those numbers because people are like, no, dude, it's
a recency bias thing. So with Brock, he's just the
next guy in line. Whatever Dax was, boom, level me up.
And that's kind of the way it goes until somebody
changes that. So that's the way that's going to go,
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whether you like Brock or not.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The only argument to.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
The two of stuff I would say would be, if
I'm putting my Joel Klatt hat on is they weren't
that great with him when he got hurt, Like they
were losing the bills. I want to say, week two
or week three, whenever he went down, they weren't playing
great with him. So those next four games when everybody's like, oh,
we don't have to it, wool, they weren't that good before.
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Now that we have a bigger sample size, it's obvious.
It's totally obvious they need him. He's a great facilitator
for that group that they have, and then when it's
time to take shots and pierce the defense, he's got
that too.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
So they have everything they want.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
But I think when it comes to contracts and party
and all that, it's really gonna hamsterring that organization because
it's gonna be hard to keep everybody. If you pay
the quarterback that you can't keep everybody. And they've been
getting away with that for the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, So I want to get into So I
really he thought off of by I look at Arizona.
They have a real offensive identity, and you did this game,
and I'm like, boy, Seattle, good luck with this one. Now,
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I mean in.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Arizona had played great for a month. I know that's
an organization that I rarely trust, and I finally bought
in and they burned you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Gino had a pick in the end, So I mean
they gave Seattle, gave Arizona opportunities. But the pass rush
was incredible. And Jay Mack and I have talked about this.
What is Gino Smith? Well, he's tall, he moves, he's
got a good arm. I get why Pete Carroll was like,
you goin a lot of games with this guy, Like,
I totally get it. It's not a size arm movement.
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He'll throw the occasional WinCE. But that's life. You have
a play for it. Your thoughts, well, how should I
look at Gino?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Well, I think it's fair to compare him to his
first year starting two years ago, where he led the
league in completion percentage, Yes, comeback player of the Year,
Pro bowl Er, all that, and then last year took
a dip in production completion percentage wise, and then touchdown
to interception wise. He started off like three to one,
three touchdowns one interception.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
That's great.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Last year was like two to one, and this year
it's almost one to one or it is one to one, right,
So he's tied I think for leading the league in
interceptions or whatever. So I think eliminating some of those
where he's just gonna It's an impulse control issue, and
it's that last second. Is it worth it? That last second?
Is the juice worth the squeeze here? And if I
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play conservative, can we still give ourselves chances to win
and retain possession of the football. That's the hardest thing
to do as a quarterback when it's all happening all
at one time. Within two seconds, you got to make
a decision that affects the outcome not only of that play,
but the next drive, that game, the season, people's careers,
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your life as a player, you know, and in those
two seconds, you have to make the right decision. And
some of those things have to be premeditated. So when
we start talking about this Cover zero idea prep, yeah,
the film prep and all that, you're almost making those
decisions before they happen.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Because when you get.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
In the heat of the moment and you need to
make the right decision, if you're gonna wait till you're
in the backseat of the car with the pretty girl
from high school to decide whether you're abstinent or not,
it's probably not the time to make the decision.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Does that makes sense?
Speaker 8 (33:23):
So if you're gonna wait till those two seconds and
that heated moment of the game, you're probably not gonna
make that right decision. So a lot of this is prep,
a lot of this is getting on the same page
with the new offensive coordinator and all that stuff. So
if we roll this first clip, the idea of Cover
zero is to bring one more player than you can
block right, So as an offense, you have options. Once
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they use their motion indicator, they realize they got seven
guys there. I got five, zero lignement and a half back.
I got six. Oh boy, this is Manda man. There
is nobody in the middle of the field. Here it comes.
Here comes the pressure. Okay, what are my answers? Could
change the protection, I could throw it quick, I could
signal a route.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
What do I want to do?
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Gino decides that he's gonna pull from his toolkit and say, hey, listen,
I'm gonna bring the tight end in. I'm gonna change
the protection, signal the route.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
We're good.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Well, what's Kaiser White doing? He hit the ucheck we check.
This is the chess match that everybody talks about. They
got a veteran linebacker like Kaizer White who's played in
this system back in Philly with Gannon and says, hey,
get to cover three.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Boom. They checked it after Gino checked it.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
So now Gino's like, whoa, okay, now what charbon A
goes to block his guy that he's got a block
is gone.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
There's nobody there. They checked.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
So this is a good lesson for the quarterback and
running back. If there's nobody there, I need him out.
Gino's looking at the routes, knowing they got the defensive check, right,
they guess right, He's looking for the back. Everybody's blue
out of there. Okay, where's my halfback? Where's my outlet?
Charbone is still blocking, He's blocking nobody. Gino's like, dude,
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you're my ride home? The party's over. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You're my dd you know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
And he's in there playing beer pong, like, dude, you
can't drive me home now, I'm on my own. I'm
walking home. And on the way home, he's got a problem.
He sees something flash and he thinks it's a good
idea to hop into another party.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Party's over, dude, go home.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Game's over.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Look At this play's over, you're up thirteen to three.
You have a chance to go up sixteen to three
and make it a two touchdown ball game, not just
a two score ball game. He ends up coming back
and having a great drive to win this game does right.
So you can't like criticize him too much. But in
that moment, I guarantee he would say, yeah, dude, I
was trying too hard. Yeah, and I've one hundred percent
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been there. You think it's there, and I can fix
everything with my arm. I can make it work. They
got it right, cut bait and move on. All right,
Let's see the second So then the second one he
does it exactly right. If you roll this clip, he's
going to do something similar motion indicator boom. There goes
a safety, flat top defense. Nobody in the middle of
the field. Gino has some des to make you could
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hear it on the broadcast. He goes Richie, Richie, Richie,
which is a gap protection. Basically, they're gonna slide all
five offensive linemen to the left, bring the tight end
on the right, bring him down in protection, and let
the back go handle the sea gap. So the back
has the sea gap, tight end has the D gap.
Everybody else. You slide for all the other gaps to
the left and wad it all up. You know there's
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gonna be pressure from this side. They're gonna overload your line.
So somebody's gonna try and break through that, and Gino's
gonna end up drifting away from it. You can tell
Buddha Baker's blitz him because the safety is stacked right,
on top of him. That's your indicator right there, and
Gino knows it. So Charbonnay is gonna go help the
tight end to the right. Gino is gonna feel the pressure.
He's already signaled to the receivers. Change the protection now signaled.
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He knows they're coming. You can feel it now. This
is different than the last clip. They didn't blow out
of there at the snap. They're advancing and attacking. So
he gives a subtle drift away from the pressure, away
from the free hitter, and he throws his beautiful out
route that he.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Signaled to in Jigba and Smith and Jigba.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
He basically signaled to those outside guys, clear out Smith
and jigb.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
But you know what to do. He got inside leverage.
It's covered.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Zero boom, breakout baby protection done, confirm it done, fall done.
So you can't tell me you can't do it. It's
just that next step contingency planning and impulse control. If
they happen to guess right and check out of your check,
you better have a plan.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I tell you I'd be a terrible quarterback. My impulse,
my impulse control is poor.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
It's hard. It's hard, but.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
What I love about that segment. It shows and there's
a there's a distinction between the line between doing it
right and doing it seconds. I don't even know if
it's that. I mean, it's it's boom boom boom, boom boom.
I watched the play last night by Justin Herbert where
he chose to run it in for a touchdown. Yeah,
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and there was a guy they showed, they showed the
back view. I would have thrown it to the corner
and he had like half a second. And I'm thinking you.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And half the country watching that guy's open.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I would like let it rip and he made the
right decision. And I don't think we understand, just intellectually
how hard this position is.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Oh, it's there's a lot. I mean, people question how
the heck could I play it? Knowing mine I do that,
but you did just fine?
Speaker 8 (38:19):
No, and sorry. Today is my son's eighth birthday. Have birthday, DJ,
I love.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Youbody, DJ. Let's hear it for DJ. Happy birthday, DJ.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
I don't want to forget spoil my mom.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
One time, my late mother said I want you to
spoil your children, and I said, I am here to
give them life lessons. Jumping, Jackson wind Sprints eight am.
My mom has never been mad because you spoil your kids.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So there you go, and I'm sure you do, but
I great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
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Speaker 1 (38:52):
Got to an NFC championship. Multiple time Executive of the Year.
Steve Kahm, former NFL GM now is running football NFL
stuff for Clutch Sports. Well, it's it was funny because
I'm thinking of you, all these Arizona guys, Kyler Murray,
Buddha Baker, Connor McBride, the tight end you leave and
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they're all stars. Absolutely, all the guys that you acquired
and drafted. They this year. I will say this about
Arizona is you know Kyler Murray always had this stuff.
He does. Whatever it is they're putt they're putting HM
under center. Yes, you like the way they're using it.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
I love the way they're using them, and that's exactly
how I thought they should have used them all along.
His ability to be able to extend plays with his
feet obviously is his strength. But when you put a
guy under center like that, now, all of a sudden,
you set up the play action game, you set up
boots and waggles and different things he can do out
of the pocket.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Kyler.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
I mean, I really think all along we probably should
have had him in the gun or shot it. Should
have not had him in the gun, and we should
have put him in that position because Number One, they
got the run game going. James Connors playing out of
his mind. A guy has signed him free agency. He
has been tremendous. I think that they're doing a great
job though, of eating a run game, obviously keeping teams
off balance, and now being able to put Coyle in a.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Position to succeed.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, they had a stinker last week off of BUYE,
but I still like their talent. I want to ask
you this, It is weird. You know, in baseball, the
big markets have an advantage. In the NFL, you have none.
There's an argument the Jets and Giants are the two
most dysfunctional franchises in the league. And it's the Green Bays,
the Buffaloes, the Baltimores that are so well run. It's
the New York teams that are a mess. Right now,
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you're the Jets, GM is what is the first move
a new GM has to make with the Jets.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
I mean, I think with some of you, when you
look at the talent on that roster you got, I
think you got to get back to basics. I think
you got to get a little younger. I think you
got to cut the court on a couple of those players.
You're not going to the super Bowl anymore with Darreon
Rodgers and devont Adams.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
You're just not.
Speaker 9 (40:45):
So I think to me, it's a reset, reset everything,
get back to basics, clean some cap room out and
become healthy as a roster.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron, but you and I had
a discussion a while ago. You go back to us
last year in Green Bay, you can see him a yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Yeah. Listen, father time is undefeated.
Speaker 9 (41:04):
All players' skills diminish at some point in time, and
generally they have to know when they diminish. Sometimes it's
good that they do understand that because that puts them
in a better position to understand where their limitations are.
But at the same time, it's hard when these guys
play for a long time, it's hard to hear that
you are diminishing from a skill set standpoint, and long
story short, they don't have the supporting cast offensively to
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get him in the good position.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So I want to talk about if you look at
the draft order today, there are two teams that we
know absolutely that are going to draft quarterbacks. We say
Raiders Giants. Now, Sam Darnold will be out there. I
don't know if you'd want to coming back to New York.
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There'll be something else out there. So you look at
all these teams. Now, I think the Jags stay with
Trevor Lawrence. I think New England's got their guy. I
think Bryce Young may have bought himself another year or so.
Let's talk to college prospects. This is what you do
now for clutch sports. Yes, let's talk should do Sanders?
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
What do you look at? Is a ten times ten
year GM that you like? And what concerned you with
should Sanders?
Speaker 9 (42:15):
Well, let me say this first. I love all top
three quarterbacks in my opinion. The top three are Chaudor
cam Ord and Jaylen Milroe. Those are the guys I
have in that order. I love all three. They're coming
different flavors to me. Shaudor is the most polished player.
I think he's gonna be the first pick in the draft.
He has got a great skill set. He understands coverage,
he has great eyes, anticipation, all the things you look
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for in a franchise quarterback. Obviously, he's grown up with
it with his dad, and he's been coached well. I
think he will be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Anything you worry about with him holds.
Speaker 9 (42:45):
A ball too long. That he holds a ball too long,
And that's what some athletic quarterbacks tend to do. I
mean even with Kyler early on in the process. He
can hold the ball too long because again, their whole
life they've been able to escape pressure. Well, all of
a sudden, you get bigger and faster, you can't escap
pressu anymore. You got to play with your ears, your eyes,
and your instincts.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Okay, let's go to cam Ward Love his arm.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
What do you see, gun Slinger. He has got the
best arm talent in this draft. I mean when I
talk about arm talent, Colin he is off the charts.
Big arm, great velocity. He throws the far, the far,
hash to the out numbers as good as anybody I've seen.
That ball is still rising when he throws it. He
has got tremendous velocity, accuracy in touch. I think he's
going to be the second quarterback taken. And when you
watch his highlights here, I mean he puts on a show. Now,
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there are some issues with decision making and some other
things that.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
I've had to platform.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
He's a little off platform, and he can play with
outside the system at times and maybe not take some
of the checkdowns and some things yes and do. But
those slants, those those digs and those out routes, he
throws as pretty as anybody.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Jalen mill Roll, here's what I like. He's a he's
a it looks like a better Anthony Richardson. He's not
fluid though, Steve, he's a right mechanical yep, is that
you here?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Here?
Speaker 9 (43:55):
Here's the uh what I would I like to say
when I hear that. When we went back we evaluated players,
thirty two teams missed on a guy named Lamar Jackson.
You can say that Baltimore Ravens hit on him. No,
they traded up to thirty two to get him, so
they picked a player before Lamar Jackson in the first round.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
So thirty two missed on him.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
And I look back at that and I'm a humble
guy as you brought Jimmy Johnson on the said earlier
he cut me, so it really.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Humbled me coming here.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
But Lamar Jackson was not a great pure passer coming out.
He was a tremendous athlete. There was a reason why
he was picked thirty two, and he has changed his game.
Guys can get a little more accurate, I think with
mechanical work, footwork, all those things. Coaching, great coaching, Jaln Milrose.
Now that being said to me, I see somewhere between
Richardson and Lamar. I don't think he's quite as polished
as Lamar was coming out. That being said, I think
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he's a better player than Anthony Richardson, and he is
so much more explosive athletically than both of both of
those guys. I mean, he is a low four three
forty guy that can extend plays with his feet. He's
as big and strong, as explosive as they come. And
I think he's a good enough passer right now to
put you in it again. Everybody's got to understand semmatically
what you're asking him to do to cater to his strengths.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
But he's got a real chance.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I want to go back you, and I told you
this is the stuff I love. I've always told people
if I ever didn't do this, I'm jealous of you.
I go to dinner with Steve for two reasons. He
picks up the check and I'm jealous of him.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Rich Paul picks up the check. Thank you, Rich.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Bo Nicks. Did you think he would be this good?
Speaker 9 (45:23):
I would hate I'll be lying if I said no.
I mean, there's no chance I would say this. I
loved the combination, as we know when you put people together.
I loved him and Sean Payton. Okay, you did I
think Sean Payton. I have three guys that I think
are the best play callers in the NFL and the
best coaches in the NFL. From that standpoint, Sean Payton's
obviously one of them. Tremendous play caller, great coach, demands
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the best, holds players accountable. Yes, and a guy like
him is a coach's son.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
He's done it all.
Speaker 9 (45:50):
He's at the most starts in college football, and I
thought that he would be a guy that.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
Would really, really, really flourish under Shawn's coaching.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, you told me that. Caleb Williams, where are you
at now your thoughts sort.
Speaker 9 (46:01):
Of what I expected. Didn't love, you know, Cliff Kingsbury,
who I love to death and his close friend, went
in there, and I don't think that they took him
serious to hire him as an offensive coordinator. He's gone
on and floor somewhere else. I think they made a big, big,
big mistake by not hiring Cliff. I think you put
Caleb Williams in that situation and you see his natural
skill set and you see his potential, but you put
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them with the wrong offensive coordinator, in the wrong system,
in the wrong culture, and it's a mess. And the
Chicago Bears are going to go back to the drawing
board and hire a new coach.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
This all Cliff want the Bears OC job.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
I think he would have loved it, but he was
That was the first job he interviewed for. Then he
went on to the Raiders and then the Red you know,
the Commanders. I almost said the wrong word, but Cliff
in a great place. Obviously. That kid that he's got
has done a tremendous job. And as a student of the.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Game, this quarterback class isn't seem great overall. The draft
class in the NFL. Many have said it's a little
light at the top. But you you just told me
recently that you have just been the last month. You
are watching nothing but film. Is there a position group
you like? It's not a great quarterback draft, I'll throw it.
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Is there another quarterback later in the draft. He makes
fun of me because I think Riley Leonard, if he
sat for two years, could be something. Do we just
have three draftable quarterbacks? Do you see anybody else?
Speaker 9 (47:17):
There's some guys. I mean, obviously the kid at Georgia
Carson back he is. He's sort of fallen Quinn years.
You know, I think has some questions about him. Riley
Leonard is a guy that's funny. You name him Dave
Pass who works for ESPN. He was our play by
play guy. He called me last year when he was
playing really well for Duke. He said, is he remind
you of I said, from an athletic skill set standpoint,
just he's long, he's lanky, he can really run, and
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he's unpolished like another guy named Ryan Tannehill when he
came out of Texas.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Ryan Tannehill, he came out of.
Speaker 9 (47:44):
Texas A and M as a former wide receiver who
changed in due quarterback. I think there's some similarities.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
There, Ryan Tannehill Riley, do you hear that j J
Max's been selling that guy stock day one? What do
I know? Finally, I watched last night. I think Jim
Harball's ahead of schedule. What was your takeaway? I don't
think they're as good as the Ravens. What was your
takeaway last.
Speaker 9 (48:05):
Night saying they're just not good enough? He hadn't had
enough drafts to put the personnel in place. From my standpoint,
Jim Harball has changed that culture already.
Speaker 7 (48:14):
They're ahead of the curve.
Speaker 9 (48:15):
Everything you said about him last this year when I
heard you sort of beating the drum for Jim Harball,
you nailed it. He has set the tone there and
he has laid the foundation. To me, the next step is,
bottom line, give me good players. Joe Hortiz GM, former
Baltimore raven a friend of mine, fantastic, does a great
job identifying talent. Has the Baltimore Ravens way. They just
(48:35):
got beat by the team that he helped become better.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's right. It's do you miss the GM job because
you are GM in clutch sports football, so you don't
have a crazy owner So do you like the job?
Speaker 9 (48:49):
You know what, I don't know if I told you
this the other night at dinner. This is my favorite
job I've ever had because I'm at a point in.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
My life where I have the chance to pay it forward.
Speaker 9 (48:58):
So not only am I meeaning a lot of young
talented players across the country that we're trying to sign
for Clutch Sports, I work for Rich Paul, who is
amazing in every way. The guy is forward thinker, he's
a brilliant businessman, and he's great to work with. And
then on top of that, I get to talk to
college kids and hopefully I can give them the answers
to the test, how to prepare for the combine, how
(49:19):
to prepare for being a professional and National Football League.
Speaker 7 (49:22):
All those things are important and it's my time to
give back.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Good for you. Rich Paul has been good to me
through the years. And when Rich is mad at me,
calls me and tells me he's mad. I like authentic people,
and that's Rich Paul and Clutch Sports. Steve Khim former
NFL GM now with Clutch Sports. Great se anybody, it's
Christy as always. I'm picking it up next time, I
promise or foxes,
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