November 26, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin unveils his Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 teams in the NFL after week 12
Thoughts on what the Jets should do with QB Aaron Rodgers
Colin and Jason give their "Big Bets" for the Big 10 this weekend
Guest: Nick Wright
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Live in Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. It's Tuesday, Nick,
right in five minutes. I hope you're having a great day.
I love this time of the year. The leaves the
football very thankful for a lot of things. Jamac j Mack.
What are you thankful for us we get ready for Thanksgiving?
Besides your beautiful family? Anything else? Maybe like a boss
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that's really nice. Health.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
My dad recently went to a health scare over the weekend.
He's in the hospital. He'll be fine, but like, yeah,
it's health is paramount. Yeah, it's every I got a
physical recently. How did that look pretty clean?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To the health Now I'm trying to work out to
get them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
No, I get it. Yeah. So it's it's a fun
time of the year. Family, So safe travels to everybody.
I just read a story this morning. About the travel
and it's going to be crazy, and good luck to
everybody airports this time of the year. Are you know?
Coin flip on a hopefully you get there on time.
All right, let's do it every Tuesday during the football season,
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we do the Herd hierarchy. I still love my Miami Dolphins.
Here we go, heard hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Listen. I like the Chargers. They're not going to win
the Super Bowl. I think they could win a playoff
game maybe, but they're six and zero against teams with
losing records and they're one and four against teams with
winning records. So that's what they are. They need multiple playmakers.
This is step one of the process. Their defense has
been very good. They got the quarterback and they got
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the coach. They remind me a little bit of like
a poor man's Kansas City Chiefs. I think they match
up with the Chiefs pretty well. But they're not a
super Bowl team. Last night another illustration of that. They're
ten number nine. I really like Miami, I really do.
I just take the forget the record, this isn't the standings.
Look at them since Tua arrive. He's completing like seventy
six percent of his passes and his pass already is
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one sixteen. Now they're going to cold Weather. I can't
wait to watch that game in Green Bay. But when
I watch them, I see electric speed, I see all
sorts of playmakers. I think their defense is better than
people think. And it's their first three game winning streak
of the year. I had him in at ten last week.
I could not believe how they completely dominated New England.
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New England had been playing pretty well. I got them
at nine, number eight. Listen the Steelers. I'll say this.
They're five to zero against teams with a winning record.
They're kind of the opposite of the Chargers. They've been
a step up team but have lost to like bad teams.
I like the Russell Wilson story. I like their culture.
I think they have a lower ceiling than your Buffalo's
in Kansas City's, Detroit and Philadelphia. But you know, at
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your own peril, be very careful. Russell Wilson has played
very well in the fourth quarter. And do you know
he's tied for the most touchdown passes by a Steeter
quarterback in a season since Ben Roethlisberger retired. So if
you don't think Russell Wilson's an upgrade quarterback for Pittsburgh
over the last three or four seasons, you're not paying attention.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Number seven the Packers, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Because all the injuries and they haven't always look fortty.
You forget they've won six to seven games. They're only
losses to the Lions, and they're really good again. I
think they're too young to hoist a trophy, but I
wouldn't want to play them. They have become a run team.
They're number three in the league, Josh Jacob's power run
team with a lot of carries, and so they are
leaning on that. They've also scored eighty three points off
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turnovers this year, so they're creating them and when they
get them, they're turning them into points. So they're not
as dominant is a Detroit or Philadelphia. They don't look
like they have the speed and the power of a Buffalo,
but they keep winning games against everybody not called the Lions.
Number six the Vikings four game winning streak. I really
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like the Sam Donald's story. I love their coach. I
think they're a coin flip with Green Bay. They're a
very good road team, or maybe just their road schedule
has been easy. But they're five and one on the road,
and so that's something. They're also top ten scoring offense,
top five scoring defense. I do think Sam Donald's reckless
nature could upend them as we go in the season,
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but at this point, a good football team. You don't
get the nine and two with smoking mirrors Vikings at six,
number five, the Ravens, their pass defense is going to
burn them later. But and here's the air thing. They're
starting so slow. They're such a bad offense in the
first quarter, so they just kind of they take their time,
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they sort of figure themselves out. It's kind of a
feeling out process. And then all of in the second half,
Derek Henry starts popping runs and Lamar starts fining Zay Flowers.
But Lamar once again for all you doubters. Ten and
one off a loss. By the way, nobody could score
on the Chargers except Baltimore and Lamar. Okay, number four Philadelphia,
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it was such a doubter. I mean, they're not a
good first half team on schemes, with coaching, they're a
dominant second half team because their roster. In my opinion
is the best in football. Number one total defense, number
one rushing offense. Here's the thing about Philadelphia Detroit. Most
of their best players are in their prime. Philadelphia is
the only team. It's got stars just out of their prime,
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stars in their prime, and stars Dalen Carter who probably
aren't even in their prime yet. Their general manager, Howie Roseman,
has built this roster and this is what you want,
young stars not quite in their prime. Six or seven
guys in their I'm aj Brown, three or four guys
maybe out of it, but that the seven game winning
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streak since the buye. Whatever they did at the bye,
and those buys matter. They're really good number three, but
at a big close game, I'd take Kansas City over him. Now,
they did need a field goal to beat Carolina, but
I said this. Their defense is not as good as
last year, but I think offensively they're gonna be fine.
Noah Gray is now a thing a Xavier Worthy they're
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kind of figuring out. You think if they get a
buye for the Super Bowl, they wouldn't use Xavier Worthy.
They use Sky Moore in a Super Bowl. I think
the offense, Isaiah Pacheco's coming back is going to be
much better by the end of the year than last year.
Their defense isn't quite as good, but the best defense
doesn't win the Super Bowl. Necessarily, the best coach, the
best quarterback, and a situationally great offense win super Bowls.
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By the way, three of the last four games, Mahomes
doesn't have a pick. I like that Number two Buffalo
beat Kansas City. I think it's the best Buffalo we've seen.
Six game winning streak. They leave the NFL with eight
games of thirty plus points. I think their offense, when
healthy is just a handful. Go ask Kansas City. Also,
nobody's getting two Josh All fewest sacks allowed in the NFL,
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less than one a game. They also have a real
running back and two real tight ends. I think, when healthy,
this is the best team in the NFL, and I
would take them, I think against Detroit, but right now
my number one team, Number one is Detroit. I mean
they've outscored opponents seventy six to twelve in the last
two games. I don't think their defense is as good
as the data says. I think when you lead by
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three touchdowns in the third quarter and you know exactly
what the other team has to do. And that's one
of the disadvantages with Kansas City. They're in so many
close games. There's some guesswork on defense. I mean Detroit
knows exactly. Mean they lead half their games by two
touchdowns beginning of the second quarter. They start fast, they
finish strong. I still have questions in a big spot
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about Detroit's defense. I think it's not quite as good
as the data tells you. They've beaten on some kind
of cruddy teams. I think the top of the NFC
is very thin. It's Detroit and Philly. I think the
top of the AFC in the middle is pretty good.
So there's my herd hierarchy. And with that co host
First things first, Nick, right, joining us live, Anything jump
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out to you? Let's start with that. Anything jump out
to you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean the Ravens a touch high. And I'd
like to talk about this for a moment because I
I understand the Ravens. You know, media cycle, it goes
like this. If they win, it is a Lamar Jackson
MVP LoveFest, and when they lose, it's a why'd they
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give Lamar the ball so much? And not Derrick Henry.
I'm used to that, so that doesn't surprise me? What
did surprise me? And I my feelings are not hurt easily.
What was from my dear friend once mentor Colin Cowherd,
who listen?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've gotten over the.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Fact you don't call me as much as used to.
You know, you call Danny Parkins instead. That's fine, you
know his life's change. But when I see a subtweet
directed right at my heart and you don't even have
the courage to tag me in it, this feels like
a big game?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
So does this count for Lamar Jackson? Just trying to
keep track? No one has listen. Lamar wins eighty percent
of his football games. A lot of those are big games.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The only question.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
He wins four out of five games he plays, except for,
of course, in the playoffs against the Chiefs or against
his divisional rival, those games he wins one.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Out of four.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's the only Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But and we can play patsy with this idea that
it's unfair to hold him to a standard that no
one had a problem holding Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
To for a decade of his career.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And I do think one day he'll get over the
But I was not surprised, and I don't think you
were surprised that the Ravens looked unbelievable in a spot
they typically look unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
This is the one thing, in all seriousness, I want
to clarify. Nobody serious is arguing Lamar can't beat good teams.
That's the argument against TUA. Nobody is arguing that Lamar
wilts under the bright lights of Monday night football or
sunning football. That's the argument against Kirk Cousins. It's a
very specific point, which is the very biggest spots.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He does not seem to play his best.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Which is why they went out and got Derrick Henry,
so hopefully he won't have to. I still think, with
all that said, five is a little high for a
team who's past events I don't trust at all.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I mean, just just tag me in the tweet, Colin.
I mean, we've known each other for a decade. It's
a little arge.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Was it was kind of Aaron Rodgers passive aggressive. I
gotta admit it was.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't like you.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean, I yes, I just I couldn't believe it
when I saw it. I was like, is this a
fake account?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Is calling on Blue Sky?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
What is it? But it was you know it was you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The threads and Blue Sky couldn't find them if I
wanted to. So I said this earlier. I think the
Niners think they have a solution at quarterback. I think
they have a dilemma. Is that. I think brock Party
is a less talented version of Tua. And I think
Miami knows we got to play playoff games at home.
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We don't want to go North. And I think I
watched brock Purty in rain in Cleveland and they had
ball security issues and now he's got a mysterious injury
and they had MRIs and nobody knows it. It's five.
I said this yesterday and apparently it was met with outrage.
I said, folks, if you're five and seven in your
last twelve, it'll be five in eight out of your
last thirsty thirteen. When you lose to Buffalo, it's time
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for a reboot. You can't beat Kansas City. Shanahan's zero
for five with four blowout losses. It's time for a reboot.
Am I crazy? Or does that make sense to you? Well?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
I mean I guess I would need to define reboot
like I certainly.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Would not move off Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
No, and I don't know that's what you're talking. No, no, no,
not that I think he's a.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Great coach, yes, but I here is what I would
The Niners, I think smartly, you know, put a lot
of eggs in the last couple of years basket when
it comes to their salary cap and an aging roster.
Which listen, they were the favorites in the Super Bowl
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and had a lead in overtime of the Super Bowl
nine months ago. So I don't blame them for being
like wee ca and win right now. I don't think
it was a mistake. However, now with Trent Williams every
year he doesn't retire as a bonus, Kittle is still excellent,
but he I mean, I know Kelsey makes us think
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that tight ends are supposed to be good into their thirties.
That's not the history of the position. You don't know
what version of Ayuk you're going to get post acl
and Debo oddly looks to be in a different spot
at least this season. Yeah, and Christian McCaffery, is it
just the injuries? Is at the age is it both
so they do have some real questions moving forward. So
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I think that is all totally legitimate and correct. What
I would not be comfortable doing if I'm San Francisco
is paying Brock Purty this offseason, if this season continues
in the direction it's been going, I would definitely want
because what we got was last year Purty played at
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this level with all these stars playing at a super
high level. This year not quite as many stars, and
the ones who are there not playing at quite the
same level. And he looks a lot more Jimmy Garoppolo ish, yes,
and more mobility obviously than Jimmy, but that level of production.
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So I would just want a another year of data
before I made him a sixty million And so I wouldn't,
you know, I wouldn't tear the thing down to the studs.
But they're already probably gonna lose Ufongo who's been out
with an injury. They're probably gonna lose Savarius Ward, They're
probably gonna lose Dre Greenlow's just now coming back. People
assume they're going to trade Debo because they drafted Pierce
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All and Signedaiuk. They have some real decisions to make,
and I would want another year of evidence before I
committed to paying brock Purty, you know, at near the
top of the market, which is what you would have
to do if you paid him this offseason.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So I said, Babe, Bruce Red Sox Yankees, probably not
the same. But Saquon Giants to the Eagles was so
predictable because the Giants have a battle line and the
Eagles have a great one. And the Giants had a
bad quarterback and the Eagles have a very good one.
And the Giants didn't have a star receiver to take
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some heat off the running back, and the Eagles have
two of them. To me, the Saquon to the Eagles
thing leaves such a stink, such a smell. I mean,
it's hard to overcome really bad transactions. I joked, I said,
could you imagine the Chief saying, listen, we really like Mahomes,
but not that much. We're gonna let him go to
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Denver with Sean Payton. Now it's not that because he's
a running back. But when I watch Saquon Barkley, is
this the worst move in league history? I think it's
in the running. Is it not?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Well, so, the a lot's unpacked there and you brought
up Mahomes like, could you imagine being a quarterback needy team, Like,
say you have you know, Tyrod Taylor's your quarterback, haven't
had a quarterback in thirty years, and you trade the
pick that becomes Patrick Mahomes. Oh wait, that's exactly what
Buffalo did. We already had the Babe Ruth trade in football.
It was the Bills trading the Chiefs Patrick Mahomes and
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all he's done is in their season three of the
last four years.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
So that take is taken by me.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Babe Ruth.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Trade exists in the However, to your actual points here, first,
I have to raise my hand and say I got
the saque thing totally wrong. In the offseason, I said,
I don't understand Philly was already a great running team.
I said, Philly already offense. Wasn't the issue paying top
of the market for an aging running back who had
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been injured, who I thought the best football I ever
saw him play was at Penn State and his.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
First year in the league.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I thought was a mistake that those were all my takes,
and I was dead wrong. He has been transcendent, and
it honestly makes you question we knew things were bad
in New York, But were they actually worse than we thought?
Because for a few years this guy looked good, not great,
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not historic, just good. And now instantly he is putting
up a season that goes toe to toe through a
dozen games with Jim Brown and Walter Pate in the
past years. Yes, he's on pace to break the rushing
record and the yards from scrimmage record. He could break
a twelve year draft of running backs not winning league
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MVP and it being a quarterback only award, And so
he has changed my feeling on Philly entirely. I still
don't trust their coach, and I probably don't like Jalen
Hurts as much as you do. But aj Brown plus
DeVante Smith when he's healthy, plus this running back, those
two tackles and Fangio remaking that defense on the fly
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with some savvy draft picks and additions, they to me
look like the scariest team in the NFC. And so
it was a great move by them. And it also
makes me wonder will any team ever want to do
hard Knocks again? Because that clip will live forever. And
let me, can I say one more thing about Philly
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that I think America hasn't fully thought about. Here's what
I think. Philly is such an attractive bet to win
the NFC. They might get the one seed, they might not,
but their floor Colin is the two seed. They're worried
because Washington's falling apart. NFC West, NFC South is not
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gonna get a good enough record. Detroit, as great as
they've been, they are one two game losing streak away
from being the five seed because Minnesota's on their tail.
They play Minnesota in Week eighteen. The division could come
down to that. So Detroit's been the best but Detroit,
and Detroit's probably the one, but Detroit isn't the one.
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It's likely because Minnesota caught them and now they're the five,
and now golf is on the road the whole playoffs.
They're not indoors all of that. Philly is, you know,
kind of safe and secure. Worst case scenario, they're the two.
So just because the NFC North has been so good
in Minnesota's you know, kept winning, Detroit's placement in the
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playoff picture is a little more precarious than I think
people realize.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I want to end with this. I was gonna do
bon Nicks, but you're good on Aaron Rodgers. I don't.
I was talking to a former NFL great coach recently
and he said, you know, Aarone very good as last
year in Green Bay, which you and I have noted.
You're the Jets tomorrow, you're the GM. What do you
do with Aaron?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What do you do with him? Well?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
I'm the GM of the Jets. I'm like, why doesn't
my key card work?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And part?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
But if I'm the interim I mean I to me,
it's a no brainer. If he wants to finish the season,
so be it. He can't be on the team next year.
And we talked about this a few weeks ago. Like listen,
I believe Diana Russini's reporting unequivocally, and I believe that
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there is a chance he goes on IR that they,
you know, the the organization has soured on him. I
am much more skeptical of the reporting of Aaron heroically
is refusing MRIs. He's so injured, but he doesn't want
anyone know what. That feels like very pro Aaron spin
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from a guy who's very good at medium manipulation. But Colin,
if you actually go pencil to paper and say all right,
what teams are definitively in the quarterback market next year,
aren't going to be drafting one and would be interested
in getting in the Aaron Rodgers business. I have a
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really hard time finding one. So I think we are
likely in a position where the Jets move on from
him and nobody picks him up to start the year. Now,
if next season there is a midyear quarterback injury to
a contending team, I think that's how he could get
back in the league. But I don't know what franchise
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could say. Hey, the Aaron Rodgers experience at age forty
one turning forty two, when he hasn't played excellent football
since the twenty twenty one season, is worthwhile. So I
just and last point on this colin take the ten
greatest quarterbacks ever. None of them except for I guess
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Johnny Unitis had this type of ending. Montana went to
an AFC title game in Kansas City, Farv went to
one in Minnesota. Obviously, Manning had great success in Denver,
Tom had amazing success in Tampa. They all made the
playoffs throughout. You can go up and down the list.
There's never been a legendary top ten all time great
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quarterback that spent the final three years of his career
out in the wilderness. And that is what Aaron Rodgers
is rapidly approaching.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well, I will, I'll tag you the next time I
send it in yesh, jag me.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Don't subtweet me. Yeah, exactly, Just be like, hey, Nick,
your Lamar Jackson opinion sucks, and I'll just save it
and then come around January fifteenth, when the Ravens scored
ten points and they get blown out, I'm gonna be like, uh,
maybe better luck next year.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Blue Sky sounds like some private aviation company. I gotta
check that out. I don't even know what that is.
I assume you have equity in it.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, if it is, that's what I would guess.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
See you about it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I think right, first things first, Yeah, we got our
big bets. I I'll just tear right now. I think
Ohio State is gonna crush Michigan this weekend. And I
think I think US season a world hurt against Notre Dame.
You know, Notre Dame lost earlier in this year and
everybody kind of bailed on Notre Dame. You guys watching
Notre Dame right now. Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Have they beat anybody in the top one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Boy, come on, Colin Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Listen, you're firing off some haymakers today. You had some
stuff in the first hour. I was biting my tongue
over here. I'll be like my leak neighbors, like, get
me involved in the offense. Come on, we need to
help here.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
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Huh?
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Speaker 1 (23:44):
King Pong is just a distraction. We have to stay
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Speaker 4 (23:48):
So there were some Chargers.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Fans who like, well, you know, I would hope so yeah,
just a few Wow, let's get started with Jimmy Johnson.
How about this, The legendary coach stopped by the facility
this morning for an impromptu visit when he heard the
guys talking about the Cowboys coaching situation, and of course
he timed in on the Dion Siganders rumors in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I love Dion, I love but his strength is bringing
in talent.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
But okay, you know he's got ann ounstand coaching staff.
That's one reason why they've gotten where they are. But
I don't see it happening there. In doubt, I think
he would be successful. I think he's a better college coach,
so because college coaching is recruiting, right right, right, you know,
professional coaching is coaching, right, you know, And so that's
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the difference the two and I did move.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well. I think college coaching is recruiting. I I think
Dion is what they call a walk around coach, which
by the way, is very successful. Belichick did a lot
of that, where you kind of walk around, you kind
of keep your arms around everything, you watch your coaches,
you coach your coaches more than the players, and I
think Dion's very good at that. But I think the
NFL coaching Jimmy's point is there are coaches that are recruiters.
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They can coach, but that's recruiting doesn't matter at all
in the NFL. And if it's your strength, and it's
certainly a strength of Dion, do you want to relinquish
your strength as a coach. It's not saying you can't
do the schemes, but that's not That's what we look
at Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Bellacheck sitting in a
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room for nine hours. Jim Harbaugh, I think what we
look at Dion And maybe I'm wrong, but what Jimmy's
saying basically is his gift is people. His ability to
make people think and laugh and move people. That's where
Dion's great. That is up for the record, that's Nick Saban.
Nick Saban did schemes, he was fine. But Nick's gift
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is his ability to connect and build staffs and connect
with kids. And I mean he squeezed every ounce of
talent out of every Alabama team ever.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Couldn't you argue two of your top five from the
hierarchy or walk around guys? Dan Campbell, He's not scheming anything,
and John Harball is it with a special teams coach.
They're both great connectors, yes, the way I think Dion.
So that's why I think Dion would work.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think Dion could succeed in the I'm not saying
you wouldn't succeed. What Jimmy would all say when your gift,
your gift is the ability to connect with people. That
is so immeasurably valuable as a college coach. Like I
always thought Chim Kelly's personality was more NFL coach. He
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didn't like, he didn't like recruiting. Dion appears to love it,
lean into it, and crush it. And so I think
everybody has to look at their lives and go, what
am I really good at? What am I special at?
Whatever that is? Keep doing that. Like I think Dion
could go from Colorado to you know, I'll just throw
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anybody out there, anybody Sark, Gwincinnati, you know, go anywhere.
You go to any big name school, Auburn, go.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Anywhere, and in fact to Florida State there there, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So I just think with Dion from the outside end,
his two gifts are he was a great athlete and
he connects with people. I would have a hard time
pivoting to the NFL, which is just basically sitting in
rooms grinding no life. You know that it's it's crazy
owner above you, players who make a fortune but may
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not appeal to you because they don't play hard like
you did. I think it would be a weird I
think Diannas said as much.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
All right, let's move on to the Harball last night,
great game, Ravens come out on top thirty twenty three.
One of the craziest plays of the game was John
Harball going for on fourth down from his own sixteen
yard line at the two minute mark of the second quarter.
Colin this this flipped the game, totally changed everything. They
went down and scored. It was a major risky decision,
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and John explained it after the Dames.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
The downside is to give them the ball time yard line.
You know, that's a downside. And but the upside or
the thought is that I really thought we could get it,
you know, I thought Mark could get it with the
quarterback sneak, and I just thought he and Tyler and
and and and our interior offensive line. I mean Pat
McCarry just coming off the ball the way he did,
and Daniel Flanley coming off the ball the way they did,
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I just thought I thought we could get it, and
they did so hats off to them and led to
like a ninety seven yard drive and got seven points.
That was a big turning point in the game.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's weird. Usually when teams line up for that, I
don't think they're going to go for it. I think
they're drawing people.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
They tried that right before they then the two minute warning,
but what.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They were going forward, I was like, well, when you
have a superstar quarterback, you take bigger risks because if
it doesn't work, you'll still have the ability to come back.
So I didn't. It didn't. It's different, it's unique.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You want different. Unique. It wasn't Lamar or Derrick Henry
getting the first out. It was Mark Andrews, which is
just absurd. Now.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
The only logic I could think of was, so the
Ravens got the ball first second half.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So even if you give the Chargers of the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Here, let's say you give up a touchdown and you're
down seventeen to seven, you get the ball back to
start the second half. So it wasn't the end of
the world. But I just watched I wonder how many
coaches around the league watch.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
That and was like, damn, that's aggressive. That's how you
win football games.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, I mean they were trying to get half a
yard that, you know, Lamar Derrick Henry half a yard.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Till This league is very conservative when it comes to oh,
that's a risky move.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You could cost you the game.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Not really. I like that, man.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'll tell you right now, when the Jets are looking
at a higher coach this offseason, I want someone with
that kind of aggressive.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Mature, you know, I want you get a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You should probably start there.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You're right, quarterback first.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All our final story, NBA, how about this? Colin JJ
Reddick and the Lakers have looked good. They're ten and six,
two straight losses. But I do love this Defensively, Austin
Reeves says that Reddick's strategy is to force the reps
to swallow the whistle by fouling a ton.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
You watch basketball for a long time, but the team's
other quote unquote physical defensive teams, uh, you know, might
get away with a little more just because shut you know,
every possession you can't call out. So uh, you know,
we're trying to, you know, get to that where We're
you know, physical every possession and you know we're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
To make the rest off houls.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
You know our personnel isn't you know, you know I big.
You know, I'll be honest with yourself. Isn't the best
you know?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On defense? We obviously we got eighty and that covers
up a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I love that strategy.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You know, I coach my kids in hoops hoops season
coming up, and I love this.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Play hard, commit foults.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
They're not gonna they're not gonna call every foul that
is I don't want to listen. I'm giving JJ Reddick
a lot of praise here in the last I don't
know month. I just love everything the Lakers have started
to see, you know, everything about it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
This is the regular season of the NBA, Yes, that
would be yeah, And I don't know if this stuff
it's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Kind of like the Baltimore Ravens offense in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
One boy, well, I mean there are teams that are
built for now, like Golden State playing eleven guys that's
built for the regular season. That's that's not gonna work
in May that yeah, I mean, I think I think
JJ what I like about it. He's put his footprint
on the team. You feel like you're watching a better
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offensive team, more efficient. There's they have a plan offensively.
I didn't think with Darvi and I didn't think. I
feel like when I watch JJ Reddck's teams, I know
what they're trying to do. I can sense their offensive
kind of ideology, and I think that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, well, right now they're one of the seven or
eight best teams in the NBA. It's early, long way
to go. I don't think this is the New Orleans
Saints starting the season two and always.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If Boston's healthy, they're winning. It is he porzingis back.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I saw porzings back. You see what the Knicks did
to the Nuggets last night?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I know you were watching that hung a buck forty
five on Mighty Denver.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Jamal Murray did not like the effort by his teammates.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
See that Jalen Brunson seventeen assist. Yeah, I'm watching, folks.
I'm not gambling that much on the NBA yet.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But h J. Mackin the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd lot. We've got
some big college football games coming up this weekend. That's
a bad matchup for Michigan man Ohio State aggressive, Michigan
never burns on big plays. That that thing. I'm must
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say it right now. Forty eight thirteen Buck eyes. I
think it's that's a bad matchup for Michigan.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
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Speaker 3 (32:43):
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Then it's Michigan Ohio State at noon only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh right, we call it our Big Bets. We're doing
it today. There's some tasty rivalries coming up. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's time for big bets. Colin and Jane Matt make
their favorite Big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think Ohio State is going to drub Michigan. I
think it's a blowout. I think it feels like forty
three thirteen. I'm gonna take Ohio State minus twenty and
a half. It's at home. They're ticked off about the
three vious, previous three years. Michigan's bad at quarterback with
no ability to beat you if you're aggressive. They have
the fewest big plays in the Big Ten this weekend,
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so Ohio State can rare back. This is a better
coaching staff this year for Ohio State with the addition
of Chip Kelly, and I just don't see how Michigan
scores consistently. I think it'll look pretty cool for about
a quarter and a half. But we're talking the first
or second most talented team against the Michigan team that
has lost four of six games and is bad on
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the road, like zero to three on the road. I
think it's a drubbing.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I guess I'm missing something here. I like just the over.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I do think Ohio State wins, but I'm over forty
three forty three fields light.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Is this not a huge payback spot for Ryan Day?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I mean, like here rob it in.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think they're they're gonna try to impress the committee.
I think this is, Hey, we're gonna hang fifty or
something on Michigan.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
If we can, so I'm on over forty three. This
number fields way low.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Maybe I'm missing something, but I think they score a
lot of points.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I like Notre Dame to beat USC and cover the
spread minus seven and a half. Why because Notre Dame
leeds college football in takeaways and USC has gone to
their backup quarterback Jaden Malava, who is loose, who is
willing to let her rip, who's never faced a ranked team,
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saying Notre Dame's great but Riley Leonard, by the way,
is calmed down, no longer makes mistakes. Notre Dame has
an identity. They know what they are. The defense leads
college football and takeaways. And this quarterback for USC is
not Miller Moss. He doesn't have a lot of snaps
at this level. I think they're in trouble. I think
it's a fun game to watch, but I think Notre
Dame's defense is the story.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Who interesting we are head to head on this one.
Give me the Trojans getting seven and a half. I
know this building will love this pick for me. A
lot of USC guys here, Colin, I'm gonna read off
the Notre Dame wins that have been so mighty.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
This season. They smacked around per don't produce terrible.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Miami of Ohio, Louisville, Stanford, Georgia, Tech, Navy, FSU, Virginia
on Army. That's a massive collection of mediocre to bad teams.
I think Notre Dame's a little overvalue. This is a
post game, feels like a field goal wins it. I
don't know who's winning, but I took the points. Give
me the Trojans fight on baby plus out and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm gonna take Oregon. I mean on a heater for
their five wins a by twenty at home minus nineteen.
I'm taking all favorites this weekend. The Huskies will Howard
the quarterback. They've now replaced him with a young kid
who's fun to watch. But I think Oregon's defense, I
think their offense gets a lot of love. I think
Dan Lanning has built a real defense. Five straight games
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under twenty. Washington's gonna be really interesting next year, as
this young quarterback they have now gets reps. I like
the recruiting glass Jetfishes put together. This is a different level.
Oregon does not lose at home. This is as good
as Oregon's bed. They're not gonna take their foot off
the pedal. I like the Ducks big, so just scoring
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at home.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You're on three favorites, huh interesting Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
He's a good one for favorites, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
On one to wrap up Indiana after last week's tough one.
You hear the coach talking a lot of toughness, and
there is a discussion. I don't know how much we'll
get into it about this three loss SEC team versus Indiana.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
You touched on it earlier.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, Indiana needs to go out and show we belong.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So I'm on a minus twenty eight and a half.
I know that's a.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Big, big number, but at home, they gotta go for fifty.
They gotta hang. They got it, like I'm talking. I
think somebody scored sixty on Perdue this season. But Indiana
has to unload here. This is their last chance to
show out, and I think they kind of put a
big number here on Perdue.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I like that pick. Yeah, I like all favorites. You
like one favorite the USC Notre Dame. Things interesting because
all USC games look the same. They're close late, right,
I think I'm just giving Notre Dame. I told you
I like Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
You do this is like irrational?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Did you hear this as somebody put a bug in
your ear about Riley Leonard Because I'm telling you, man,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I don't see it at all.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You don't think he's an NFL quarter.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I mean, I give mid round flyer, sure, go for it.
But then again, what does anybody know? Rock Perdy was
okay at oh Iowa State for what the last two
years and he won the seventh round?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Is crushing in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, I mean, I mean Kirk Cousins, fourth rounder, Dak Prescott,
fourth rounder, Russell Wilson, third rounder, Joe Montana third rounder,
Brady sixth rounder, Mark Brunell on the top of your head,
Kurt Warner undrafted, Tony Romo undrafted. So there's a lot
of guys out there that have been very.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Very good deliver I just I guess I can't unsee
Daniel Jones and him.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I know, rangy white guy who likes to run.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think he's very very athletic, and I think he
needs refinement, and I think if you gave him to
an offensive coach like the Cincinnati just says fourth round,
we're taking Riley Leonard. So when Joe Burrow gets hurt,
they won with Jake Browning, and like Riley Leonard sits
behind Joe Burrow for two years and all of a
sudden you look up and you're like, yeah, he's six ' five,
he moves, he's strong, and you got yourself a player.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Speaking of college quarterbacks, a kid Dart from Ole Miss
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I mean we're hyping him this past week. Did you
see how poor he was this weekend? I'll say, who's
the third quarterback?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Colin? It's really Jayalen Milker, rob so Steve kime uh
the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals for years. By
the way, their five best players are all kime guys.
You know, Connor was his cup, Buddha Baker was his.
H McBride, the tight end was his. Kyler Murray was his.
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I can't wait to ask him that, because my take
is cam Ward's got the big arm. Shador has the legacy.
Milroe is if you ask, if you ask people around Alabama, parents, kid, hardworking, big, strong,
He's a better Anthony Richardson. But if you'll watch him
against Oklahoma, he looks very mechanical. Sometimes it's weird. Some
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guys are just natural back there, like they're just fluid
in their natural Jalen Milroll comes across as tight and mechanical.
Now some have said Herbert can be a little mechanical,
but I think I think he's loose enough. But I
when Milroll, I there's a lot I like. But there
are times on the road. You know, you watch him
against Oklahoma and it now he had receivers dropping balls
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left and right, but he didn't look the part. He
didn't look like a first round quarterback. So all right,
Mark Sanchez top of next hour. We're humming today. We
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Live in Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. It's Tuesday, Nick,
right in five minutes. I hope you're having a great day.
I love this time of the year. The leaves the
football very thankful for a lot of things. Jamac j Mack.
What are you thankful for us we get ready for Thanksgiving?
Besides your beautiful family? Anything else? Maybe like a boss
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that's really nice. Health.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
My dad recently went to a health scare over the weekend.
He's in the hospital. He'll be fine, but like, yeah,
it's health is paramount. Yeah, it's every I got a
physical recently. How did that look pretty clean?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To the health Now I'm trying to work out to
get them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
No, I get it. Yeah. So it's it's a fun
time of the year. Family, So safe travels to everybody.
I just read a story this morning. About the travel
and it's going to be crazy, and good luck to
everybody airports this time of the year. Are you know?
Coin flip on a hopefully you get there on time.
All right, let's do it every Tuesday during the football season,
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we do the Herd hierarchy. I still love my Miami Dolphins.
Here we go, heard hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
number ten.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Listen. I like the Chargers. They're not going to win
the Super Bowl. I think they could win a playoff
game maybe, but they're six and zero against teams with
losing records and they're one and four against teams with
winning records. So that's what they are. They need multiple playmakers.
This is step one of the process. Their defense has
been very good. They got the quarterback and they got
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the coach. They remind me a little bit of like
a poor man's Kansas City Chiefs. I think they match
up with the Chiefs pretty well. But they're not a
super Bowl team. Last night another illustration of that. They're
ten number nine. I really like Miami, I really do.
I just take the forget the record, this isn't the standings.
Look at them since Tua arrive. He's completing like seventy
six percent of his passes and his pass already is
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one sixteen. Now they're going to cold Weather. I can't
wait to watch that game in Green Bay. But when
I watch them, I see electric speed, I see all
sorts of playmakers. I think their defense is better than
people think. And it's their first three game winning streak
of the year. I had him in at ten last week.
I could not believe how they completely dominated New England.
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New England had been playing pretty well. I got them
at nine, number eight. Listen the Steelers. I'll say this.
They're five to zero against teams with a winning record.
They're kind of the opposite of the Chargers. They've been
a step up team but have lost to like bad teams.
I like the Russell Wilson story. I like their culture.
I think they have a lower ceiling than your Buffalo's
in Kansas City's, Detroit and Philadelphia. But you know, at
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your own peril, be very careful. Russell Wilson has played
very well in the fourth quarter. And do you know
he's tied for the most touchdown passes by a Steeter
quarterback in a season since Ben Roethlisberger retired. So if
you don't think Russell Wilson's an upgrade quarterback for Pittsburgh
over the last three or four seasons, you're not paying attention.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Number seven the Packers, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Because all the injuries and they haven't always look fortty.
You forget they've won six to seven games. They're only
losses to the Lions, and they're really good again. I
think they're too young to hoist a trophy, but I
wouldn't want to play them. They have become a run team.
They're number three in the league, Josh Jacob's power run
team with a lot of carries, and so they are
leaning on that. They've also scored eighty three points off
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turnovers this year, so they're creating them and when they
get them, they're turning them into points. So they're not
as dominant is a Detroit or Philadelphia. They don't look
like they have the speed and the power of a Buffalo,
but they keep winning games against everybody not called the Lions.
Number six the Vikings four game winning streak. I really
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like the Sam Donald's story. I love their coach. I
think they're a coin flip with Green Bay. They're a
very good road team, or maybe just their road schedule
has been easy. But they're five and one on the road,
and so that's something. They're also top ten scoring offense,
top five scoring defense. I do think Sam Donald's reckless
nature could upend them as we go in the season,
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but at this point, a good football team. You don't
get the nine and two with smoking mirrors Vikings at six,
number five, the Ravens, their pass defense is going to
burn them later. But and here's the air thing. They're
starting so slow. They're such a bad offense in the
first quarter, so they just kind of they take their time,
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they sort of figure themselves out. It's kind of a
feeling out process. And then all of in the second half,
Derek Henry starts popping runs and Lamar starts fining Zay Flowers.
But Lamar once again for all you doubters. Ten and
one off a loss. By the way, nobody could score
on the Chargers except Baltimore and Lamar. Okay, number four Philadelphia,
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it was such a doubter. I mean, they're not a
good first half team on schemes, with coaching, they're a
dominant second half team because their roster. In my opinion
is the best in football. Number one total defense, number
one rushing offense. Here's the thing about Philadelphia Detroit. Most
of their best players are in their prime. Philadelphia is
the only team. It's got stars just out of their prime,
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stars in their prime, and stars Dalen Carter who probably
aren't even in their prime yet. Their general manager, Howie Roseman,
has built this roster and this is what you want,
young stars not quite in their prime. Six or seven
guys in their I'm aj Brown, three or four guys
maybe out of it, but that the seven game winning
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streak since the buye. Whatever they did at the bye,
and those buys matter. They're really good number three, but
at a big close game, I'd take Kansas City over him. Now,
they did need a field goal to beat Carolina, but
I said this. Their defense is not as good as
last year, but I think offensively they're gonna be fine.
Noah Gray is now a thing a Xavier Worthy they're
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kind of figuring out. You think if they get a
buye for the Super Bowl, they wouldn't use Xavier Worthy.
They use Sky Moore in a Super Bowl. I think
the offense, Isaiah Pacheco's coming back is going to be
much better by the end of the year than last year.
Their defense isn't quite as good, but the best defense
doesn't win the Super Bowl. Necessarily, the best coach, the
best quarterback, and a situationally great offense win super Bowls.
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By the way, three of the last four games, Mahomes
doesn't have a pick. I like that Number two Buffalo
beat Kansas City. I think it's the best Buffalo we've seen.
Six game winning streak. They leave the NFL with eight
games of thirty plus points. I think their offense, when
healthy is just a handful. Go ask Kansas City. Also,
nobody's getting two Josh All fewest sacks allowed in the NFL,
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less than one a game. They also have a real
running back and two real tight ends. I think, when healthy,
this is the best team in the NFL, and I
would take them, I think against Detroit, but right now
my number one team, Number one is Detroit. I mean
they've outscored opponents seventy six to twelve in the last
two games. I don't think their defense is as good
as the data says. I think when you lead by
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three touchdowns in the third quarter and you know exactly
what the other team has to do. And that's one
of the disadvantages with Kansas City. They're in so many
close games. There's some guesswork on defense. I mean Detroit
knows exactly. Mean they lead half their games by two
touchdowns beginning of the second quarter. They start fast, they
finish strong. I still have questions in a big spot
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about Detroit's defense. I think it's not quite as good
as the data tells you. They've beaten on some kind
of cruddy teams. I think the top of the NFC
is very thin. It's Detroit and Philly. I think the
top of the AFC in the middle is pretty good.
So there's my herd hierarchy. And with that co host
First things first, Nick, right, joining us live, Anything jump
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out to you? Let's start with that. Anything jump out
to you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean the Ravens a touch high. And I'd
like to talk about this for a moment because I
I understand the Ravens. You know, media cycle, it goes
like this. If they win, it is a Lamar Jackson
MVP LoveFest, and when they lose, it's a why'd they
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give Lamar the ball so much? And not Derrick Henry.
I'm used to that, so that doesn't surprise me? What
did surprise me? And I my feelings are not hurt easily.
What was from my dear friend once mentor Colin Cowherd,
who listen?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've gotten over the.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Fact you don't call me as much as used to.
You know, you call Danny Parkins instead. That's fine, you
know his life's change. But when I see a subtweet
directed right at my heart and you don't even have
the courage to tag me in it, this feels like
a big game?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
So does this count for Lamar Jackson? Just trying to
keep track? No one has listen. Lamar wins eighty percent
of his football games. A lot of those are big games.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The only question.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
He wins four out of five games he plays, except for,
of course, in the playoffs against the Chiefs or against
his divisional rival, those games he wins one.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Out of four.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's the only Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But and we can play patsy with this idea that
it's unfair to hold him to a standard that no
one had a problem holding Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
To for a decade of his career.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And I do think one day he'll get over the
But I was not surprised, and I don't think you
were surprised that the Ravens looked unbelievable in a spot
they typically look unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
This is the one thing, in all seriousness, I want
to clarify. Nobody serious is arguing Lamar can't beat good teams.
That's the argument against TUA. Nobody is arguing that Lamar
wilts under the bright lights of Monday night football or
sunning football. That's the argument against Kirk Cousins. It's a
very specific point, which is the very biggest spots.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He does not seem to play his best.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Which is why they went out and got Derrick Henry,
so hopefully he won't have to. I still think, with
all that said, five is a little high for a
team who's past events I don't trust at all.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I mean, just just tag me in the tweet, Colin.
I mean, we've known each other for a decade. It's
a little arge.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Was it was kind of Aaron Rodgers passive aggressive. I
gotta admit it was.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't like you.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
I mean, I yes, I just I couldn't believe it
when I saw it. I was like, is this a
fake account?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Is calling on Blue Sky?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
What is it? But it was you know it was you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The threads and Blue Sky couldn't find them if I
wanted to. So I said this earlier. I think the
Niners think they have a solution at quarterback. I think
they have a dilemma. Is that. I think brock Party
is a less talented version of Tua. And I think
Miami knows we got to play playoff games at home.
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We don't want to go North. And I think I
watched brock Purty in rain in Cleveland and they had
ball security issues and now he's got a mysterious injury
and they had MRIs and nobody knows it. It's five.
I said this yesterday and apparently it was met with outrage.
I said, folks, if you're five and seven in your
last twelve, it'll be five in eight out of your
last thirsty thirteen. When you lose to Buffalo, it's time
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for a reboot. You can't beat Kansas City. Shanahan's zero
for five with four blowout losses. It's time for a reboot.
Am I crazy? Or does that make sense to you? Well?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
I mean I guess I would need to define reboot
like I certainly.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Would not move off Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
No, and I don't know that's what you're talking. No, no, no,
not that I think he's a.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Great coach, yes, but I here is what I would
The Niners, I think smartly, you know, put a lot
of eggs in the last couple of years basket when
it comes to their salary cap and an aging roster.
Which listen, they were the favorites in the Super Bowl
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and had a lead in overtime of the Super Bowl
nine months ago. So I don't blame them for being
like wee ca and win right now. I don't think
it was a mistake. However, now with Trent Williams every
year he doesn't retire as a bonus, Kittle is still excellent,
but he I mean, I know Kelsey makes us think
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that tight ends are supposed to be good into their thirties.
That's not the history of the position. You don't know
what version of Ayuk you're going to get post acl
and Debo oddly looks to be in a different spot
at least this season. Yeah, and Christian McCaffery, is it
just the injuries? Is at the age is it both
so they do have some real questions moving forward. So
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I think that is all totally legitimate and correct. What
I would not be comfortable doing if I'm San Francisco
is paying Brock Purty this offseason, if this season continues
in the direction it's been going, I would definitely want
because what we got was last year Purty played at
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this level with all these stars playing at a super
high level. This year not quite as many stars, and
the ones who are there not playing at quite the
same level. And he looks a lot more Jimmy Garoppolo ish, yes,
and more mobility obviously than Jimmy, but that level of production.
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So I would just want a another year of data
before I made him a sixty million And so I wouldn't,
you know, I wouldn't tear the thing down to the studs.
But they're already probably gonna lose Ufongo who's been out
with an injury. They're probably gonna lose Savarius Ward, They're
probably gonna lose Dre Greenlow's just now coming back. People
assume they're going to trade Debo because they drafted Pierce
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All and Signedaiuk. They have some real decisions to make,
and I would want another year of evidence before I
committed to paying brock Purty, you know, at near the
top of the market, which is what you would have
to do if you paid him this offseason.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So I said, Babe, Bruce Red Sox Yankees, probably not
the same. But Saquon Giants to the Eagles was so
predictable because the Giants have a battle line and the
Eagles have a great one. And the Giants had a
bad quarterback and the Eagles have a very good one.
And the Giants didn't have a star receiver to take
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some heat off the running back, and the Eagles have
two of them. To me, the Saquon to the Eagles
thing leaves such a stink, such a smell. I mean,
it's hard to overcome really bad transactions. I joked, I said,
could you imagine the Chief saying, listen, we really like Mahomes,
but not that much. We're gonna let him go to
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Denver with Sean Payton. Now it's not that because he's
a running back. But when I watch Saquon Barkley, is
this the worst move in league history? I think it's
in the running. Is it not?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Well, so, the a lot's unpacked there and you brought
up Mahomes like, could you imagine being a quarterback needy team, Like,
say you have you know, Tyrod Taylor's your quarterback, haven't
had a quarterback in thirty years, and you trade the
pick that becomes Patrick Mahomes. Oh wait, that's exactly what
Buffalo did. We already had the Babe Ruth trade in football.
It was the Bills trading the Chiefs Patrick Mahomes and
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all he's done is in their season three of the
last four years.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
So that take is taken by me.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Babe Ruth.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Trade exists in the However, to your actual points here, first,
I have to raise my hand and say I got
the saque thing totally wrong. In the offseason, I said,
I don't understand Philly was already a great running team.
I said, Philly already offense. Wasn't the issue paying top
of the market for an aging running back who had
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been injured, who I thought the best football I ever
saw him play was at Penn State and his.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
First year in the league.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I thought was a mistake that those were all my takes,
and I was dead wrong. He has been transcendent, and
it honestly makes you question we knew things were bad
in New York, But were they actually worse than we thought?
Because for a few years this guy looked good, not great,
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not historic, just good. And now instantly he is putting
up a season that goes toe to toe through a
dozen games with Jim Brown and Walter Pate in the
past years. Yes, he's on pace to break the rushing
record and the yards from scrimmage record. He could break
a twelve year draft of running backs not winning league
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MVP and it being a quarterback only award, And so
he has changed my feeling on Philly entirely. I still
don't trust their coach, and I probably don't like Jalen
Hurts as much as you do. But aj Brown plus
DeVante Smith when he's healthy, plus this running back, those
two tackles and Fangio remaking that defense on the fly
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with some savvy draft picks and additions, they to me
look like the scariest team in the NFC. And so
it was a great move by them. And it also
makes me wonder will any team ever want to do
hard Knocks again? Because that clip will live forever. And
let me, can I say one more thing about Philly
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that I think America hasn't fully thought about. Here's what
I think. Philly is such an attractive bet to win
the NFC. They might get the one seed, they might not,
but their floor Colin is the two seed. They're worried
because Washington's falling apart. NFC West, NFC South is not
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gonna get a good enough record. Detroit, as great as
they've been, they are one two game losing streak away
from being the five seed because Minnesota's on their tail.
They play Minnesota in Week eighteen. The division could come
down to that. So Detroit's been the best but Detroit,
and Detroit's probably the one, but Detroit isn't the one.
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It's likely because Minnesota caught them and now they're the five,
and now golf is on the road the whole playoffs.
They're not indoors all of that. Philly is, you know,
kind of safe and secure. Worst case scenario, they're the two.
So just because the NFC North has been so good
in Minnesota's you know, kept winning, Detroit's placement in the
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playoff picture is a little more precarious than I think
people realize.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I want to end with this. I was gonna do
bon Nicks, but you're good on Aaron Rodgers. I don't.
I was talking to a former NFL great coach recently
and he said, you know, Aarone very good as last
year in Green Bay, which you and I have noted.
You're the Jets tomorrow, you're the GM. What do you
do with Aaron?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
What do you do with him? Well?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
I'm the GM of the Jets. I'm like, why doesn't
my key card work?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And part?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
But if I'm the interim I mean I to me,
it's a no brainer. If he wants to finish the season,
so be it. He can't be on the team next year.
And we talked about this a few weeks ago. Like listen,
I believe Diana Russini's reporting unequivocally, and I believe that
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there is a chance he goes on IR that they,
you know, the the organization has soured on him. I
am much more skeptical of the reporting of Aaron heroically
is refusing MRIs. He's so injured, but he doesn't want
anyone know what. That feels like very pro Aaron spin
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from a guy who's very good at medium manipulation. But Colin,
if you actually go pencil to paper and say all right,
what teams are definitively in the quarterback market next year,
aren't going to be drafting one and would be interested
in getting in the Aaron Rodgers business. I have a
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really hard time finding one. So I think we are
likely in a position where the Jets move on from
him and nobody picks him up to start the year. Now,
if next season there is a midyear quarterback injury to
a contending team, I think that's how he could get
back in the league. But I don't know what franchise
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could say. Hey, the Aaron Rodgers experience at age forty
one turning forty two, when he hasn't played excellent football
since the twenty twenty one season, is worthwhile. So I
just and last point on this colin take the ten
greatest quarterbacks ever. None of them except for I guess
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Johnny Unitis had this type of ending. Montana went to
an AFC title game in Kansas City, Farv went to
one in Minnesota. Obviously, Manning had great success in Denver,
Tom had amazing success in Tampa. They all made the
playoffs throughout. You can go up and down the list.
There's never been a legendary top ten all time great
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quarterback that spent the final three years of his career
out in the wilderness. And that is what Aaron Rodgers
is rapidly approaching.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well, I will, I'll tag you the next time I
send it in yesh, jag me.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Don't subtweet me. Yeah, exactly, Just be like, hey, Nick,
your Lamar Jackson opinion sucks, and I'll just save it
and then come around January fifteenth, when the Ravens scored
ten points and they get blown out, I'm gonna be like, uh,
maybe better luck next year.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Blue Sky sounds like some private aviation company. I gotta
check that out. I don't even know what that is.
I assume you have equity in it.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, if it is, that's what I would guess.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
See you about it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I think right, first things first, Yeah, we got our
big bets. I I'll just tear right now. I think
Ohio State is gonna crush Michigan this weekend. And I
think I think US season a world hurt against Notre Dame.
You know, Notre Dame lost earlier in this year and
everybody kind of bailed on Notre Dame. You guys watching
Notre Dame right now. Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Have they beat anybody in the top one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Boy, come on, Colin Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Listen, you're firing off some haymakers today. You had some
stuff in the first hour. I was biting my tongue
over here. I'll be like my leak neighbors, like, get
me involved in the offense. Come on, we need to
help here.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
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Huh?
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Speaker 3 (23:35):
I love when people listen to the show closely and
text me during the show, Hey, you want to play
ping Pong this week?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
People are really into the show man. Last night is
the Chargers game.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
King Pong is just a distraction. We have to stay
focused on the games.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So there were some Chargers.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Fans who like, well, you know, I would hope so yeah,
just a few Wow, let's get started with Jimmy Johnson.
How about this, The legendary coach stopped by the facility
this morning for an impromptu visit when he heard the
guys talking about the Cowboys coaching situation, and of course
he timed in on the Dion Siganders rumors in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I love Dion, I love but his strength is bringing
in talent.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
But okay, you know he's got ann ounstand coaching staff.
That's one reason why they've gotten where they are. But
I don't see it happening there. In doubt, I think
he would be successful. I think he's a better college coach,
so because college coaching is recruiting, right right, right, you know,
professional coaching is coaching, right, you know, And so that's
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the difference the two and I did move.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well. I think college coaching is recruiting. I I think
Dion is what they call a walk around coach, which
by the way, is very successful. Belichick did a lot
of that, where you kind of walk around, you kind
of keep your arms around everything, you watch your coaches,
you coach your coaches more than the players, and I
think Dion's very good at that. But I think the
NFL coaching Jimmy's point is there are coaches that are recruiters.
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They can coach, but that's recruiting doesn't matter at all
in the NFL. And if it's your strength, and it's
certainly a strength of Dion, do you want to relinquish
your strength as a coach. It's not saying you can't
do the schemes, but that's not That's what we look
at Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Bellacheck sitting in a
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room for nine hours. Jim Harbaugh, I think what we
look at Dion And maybe I'm wrong, but what Jimmy's
saying basically is his gift is people. His ability to
make people think and laugh and move people. That's where
Dion's great. That is up for the record, that's Nick Saban.
Nick Saban did schemes, he was fine. But Nick's gift
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is his ability to connect and build staffs and connect
with kids. And I mean he squeezed every ounce of
talent out of every Alabama team ever.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Couldn't you argue two of your top five from the
hierarchy or walk around guys? Dan Campbell, He's not scheming anything,
and John Harball is it with a special teams coach.
They're both great connectors, yes, the way I think Dion.
So that's why I think Dion would work.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think Dion could succeed in the I'm not saying
you wouldn't succeed. What Jimmy would all say when your gift,
your gift is the ability to connect with people. That
is so immeasurably valuable as a college coach. Like I
always thought Chim Kelly's personality was more NFL coach. He
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didn't like, he didn't like recruiting. Dion appears to love it,
lean into it, and crush it. And so I think
everybody has to look at their lives and go, what
am I really good at? What am I special at?
Whatever that is? Keep doing that. Like I think Dion
could go from Colorado to you know, I'll just throw
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anybody out there, anybody Sark, Gwincinnati, you know, go anywhere.
You go to any big name school, Auburn, go.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Anywhere, and in fact to Florida State there there, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So I just think with Dion from the outside end,
his two gifts are he was a great athlete and
he connects with people. I would have a hard time
pivoting to the NFL, which is just basically sitting in
rooms grinding no life. You know that it's it's crazy
owner above you, players who make a fortune but may
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not appeal to you because they don't play hard like
you did. I think it would be a weird I
think Diannas said as much.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
All right, let's move on to the Harball last night,
great game, Ravens come out on top thirty twenty three.
One of the craziest plays of the game was John
Harball going for on fourth down from his own sixteen
yard line at the two minute mark of the second quarter.
Colin this this flipped the game, totally changed everything. They
went down and scored. It was a major risky decision,
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and John explained it after the Dames.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
The downside is to give them the ball time yard line.
You know, that's a downside. And but the upside or
the thought is that I really thought we could get it,
you know, I thought Mark could get it with the
quarterback sneak, and I just thought he and Tyler and
and and and our interior offensive line. I mean Pat
McCarry just coming off the ball the way he did,
and Daniel Flanley coming off the ball the way they did,
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I just thought I thought we could get it, and
they did so hats off to them and led to
like a ninety seven yard drive and got seven points.
That was a big turning point in the game.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's weird. Usually when teams line up for that, I
don't think they're going to go for it. I think
they're drawing people.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
They tried that right before they then the two minute warning,
but what.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They were going forward, I was like, well, when you
have a superstar quarterback, you take bigger risks because if
it doesn't work, you'll still have the ability to come back.
So I didn't. It didn't. It's different, it's unique.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You want different. Unique. It wasn't Lamar or Derrick Henry
getting the first out. It was Mark Andrews, which is
just absurd. Now.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
The only logic I could think of was, so the
Ravens got the ball first second half.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So even if you give the Chargers of the ball.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Here, let's say you give up a touchdown and you're
down seventeen to seven, you get the ball back to
start the second half. So it wasn't the end of
the world. But I just watched I wonder how many
coaches around the league watch.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
That and was like, damn, that's aggressive. That's how you
win football games.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, I mean they were trying to get half a
yard that, you know, Lamar Derrick Henry half a yard.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Till This league is very conservative when it comes to oh,
that's a risky move.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You could cost you the game.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Not really. I like that, man.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'll tell you right now, when the Jets are looking
at a higher coach this offseason, I want someone with
that kind of aggressive.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Mature, you know, I want you get a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You should probably start there.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
You're right, quarterback first.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All our final story, NBA, how about this? Colin JJ
Reddick and the Lakers have looked good. They're ten and six,
two straight losses. But I do love this Defensively, Austin
Reeves says that Reddick's strategy is to force the reps
to swallow the whistle by fouling a ton.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
You watch basketball for a long time, but the team's
other quote unquote physical defensive teams, uh, you know, might
get away with a little more just because shut you know,
every possession you can't call out. So uh, you know,
we're trying to, you know, get to that where We're
you know, physical every possession and you know we're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
To make the rest off houls.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
You know our personnel isn't you know, you know I big.
You know, I'll be honest with yourself. Isn't the best
you know?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On defense? We obviously we got eighty and that covers
up a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I love that strategy.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You know, I coach my kids in hoops hoops season
coming up, and I love this.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Play hard, commit foults.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
They're not gonna they're not gonna call every foul that
is I don't want to listen. I'm giving JJ Reddick
a lot of praise here in the last I don't
know month. I just love everything the Lakers have started
to see, you know, everything about it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
This is the regular season of the NBA, Yes, that
would be yeah, And I don't know if this stuff
it's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Kind of like the Baltimore Ravens offense in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
One boy, well, I mean there are teams that are
built for now, like Golden State playing eleven guys that's
built for the regular season. That's that's not gonna work
in May that yeah, I mean, I think I think
JJ what I like about it. He's put his footprint
on the team. You feel like you're watching a better
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offensive team, more efficient. There's they have a plan offensively.
I didn't think with Darvi and I didn't think. I
feel like when I watch JJ Reddck's teams, I know
what they're trying to do. I can sense their offensive
kind of ideology, and I think that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, well, right now they're one of the seven or
eight best teams in the NBA. It's early, long way
to go. I don't think this is the New Orleans
Saints starting the season two and always.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If Boston's healthy, they're winning. It is he porzingis back.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I saw porzings back. You see what the Knicks did
to the Nuggets last night?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I know you were watching that hung a buck forty
five on Mighty Denver.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Jamal Murray did not like the effort by his teammates.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
See that Jalen Brunson seventeen assist. Yeah, I'm watching, folks.
I'm not gambling that much on the NBA yet.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
But h J. Mackin the news, Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd lot. We've got
some big college football games coming up this weekend. That's
a bad matchup for Michigan man Ohio State aggressive, Michigan
never burns on big plays. That that thing. I'm must
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say it right now. Forty eight thirteen Buck eyes. I
think it's that's a bad matchup for Michigan.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
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Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh right, we call it our Big Bets. We're doing
it today. There's some tasty rivalries coming up. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's time for big bets. Colin and Jane Matt make
their favorite Big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think Ohio State is going to drub Michigan. I
think it's a blowout. I think it feels like forty
three thirteen. I'm gonna take Ohio State minus twenty and
a half. It's at home. They're ticked off about the
three vious, previous three years. Michigan's bad at quarterback with
no ability to beat you if you're aggressive. They have
the fewest big plays in the Big Ten this weekend,
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so Ohio State can rare back. This is a better
coaching staff this year for Ohio State with the addition
of Chip Kelly, and I just don't see how Michigan
scores consistently. I think it'll look pretty cool for about
a quarter and a half. But we're talking the first
or second most talented team against the Michigan team that
has lost four of six games and is bad on
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the road, like zero to three on the road. I
think it's a drubbing.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I guess I'm missing something here. I like just the over.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I do think Ohio State wins, but I'm over forty
three forty three fields light.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Is this not a huge payback spot for Ryan Day?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I mean, like here rob it in.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think they're they're gonna try to impress the committee.
I think this is, Hey, we're gonna hang fifty or
something on Michigan.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
If we can, so I'm on over forty three. This
number fields way low.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Maybe I'm missing something, but I think they score a
lot of points.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I like Notre Dame to beat USC and cover the
spread minus seven and a half. Why because Notre Dame
leeds college football in takeaways and USC has gone to
their backup quarterback Jaden Malava, who is loose, who is
willing to let her rip, who's never faced a ranked team,
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saying Notre Dame's great but Riley Leonard, by the way,
is calmed down, no longer makes mistakes. Notre Dame has
an identity. They know what they are. The defense leads
college football and takeaways. And this quarterback for USC is
not Miller Moss. He doesn't have a lot of snaps
at this level. I think they're in trouble. I think
it's a fun game to watch, but I think Notre
Dame's defense is the story.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Who interesting we are head to head on this one.
Give me the Trojans getting seven and a half. I
know this building will love this pick for me. A
lot of USC guys here, Colin, I'm gonna read off
the Notre Dame wins that have been so mighty.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
This season. They smacked around per don't produce terrible.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Miami of Ohio, Louisville, Stanford, Georgia, Tech, Navy, FSU, Virginia
on Army. That's a massive collection of mediocre to bad teams.
I think Notre Dame's a little overvalue. This is a
post game, feels like a field goal wins it. I
don't know who's winning, but I took the points. Give
me the Trojans fight on baby plus out and a half.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm gonna take Oregon. I mean on a heater for
their five wins a by twenty at home minus nineteen.
I'm taking all favorites this weekend. The Huskies will Howard
the quarterback. They've now replaced him with a young kid
who's fun to watch. But I think Oregon's defense, I
think their offense gets a lot of love. I think
Dan Lanning has built a real defense. Five straight games
(36:18):
under twenty. Washington's gonna be really interesting next year, as
this young quarterback they have now gets reps. I like
the recruiting glass Jetfishes put together. This is a different level.
Oregon does not lose at home. This is as good
as Oregon's bed. They're not gonna take their foot off
the pedal. I like the Ducks big, so just scoring
(36:39):
at home.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You're on three favorites, huh interesting Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
He's a good one for favorites, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
On one to wrap up Indiana after last week's tough one.
You hear the coach talking a lot of toughness, and
there is a discussion. I don't know how much we'll
get into it about this three loss SEC team versus Indiana.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
You touched on it earlier.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, Indiana needs to go out and show we belong.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So I'm on a minus twenty eight and a half.
I know that's a.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Big, big number, but at home, they gotta go for fifty.
They gotta hang. They got it, like I'm talking. I
think somebody scored sixty on Perdue this season. But Indiana
has to unload here. This is their last chance to
show out, and I think they kind of put a
big number here on Perdue.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I like that pick. Yeah, I like all favorites. You
like one favorite the USC Notre Dame. Things interesting because
all USC games look the same. They're close late, right,
I think I'm just giving Notre Dame. I told you
I like Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
You do this is like irrational?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Did you hear this as somebody put a bug in
your ear about Riley Leonard Because I'm telling you, man,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I don't see it at all.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You don't think he's an NFL quarter.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I mean, I give mid round flyer, sure, go for it.
But then again, what does anybody know? Rock Perdy was
okay at oh Iowa State for what the last two
years and he won the seventh round?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Is crushing in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, I mean, I mean Kirk Cousins, fourth rounder, Dak Prescott,
fourth rounder, Russell Wilson, third rounder, Joe Montana third rounder,
Brady sixth rounder, Mark Brunell on the top of your head,
Kurt Warner undrafted, Tony Romo undrafted. So there's a lot
of guys out there that have been very.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Very good deliver I just I guess I can't unsee
Daniel Jones and him.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I know, rangy white guy who likes to run.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think he's very very athletic, and I think he
needs refinement, and I think if you gave him to
an offensive coach like the Cincinnati just says fourth round,
we're taking Riley Leonard. So when Joe Burrow gets hurt,
they won with Jake Browning, and like Riley Leonard sits
behind Joe Burrow for two years and all of a
sudden you look up and you're like, yeah, he's six ' five,
he moves, he's strong, and you got yourself a player.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Speaking of college quarterbacks, a kid Dart from Ole Miss
Jackson Dart.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I mean we're hyping him this past week. Did you
see how poor he was this weekend? I'll say, who's
the third quarterback?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Colin? It's really Jayalen Milker, rob so Steve kime uh
the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals for years. By
the way, their five best players are all kime guys.
You know, Connor was his cup, Buddha Baker was his.
H McBride, the tight end was his. Kyler Murray was his.
(39:07):
I can't wait to ask him that, because my take
is cam Ward's got the big arm. Shador has the legacy.
Milroe is if you ask, if you ask people around Alabama, parents, kid, hardworking, big, strong,
He's a better Anthony Richardson. But if you'll watch him
against Oklahoma, he looks very mechanical. Sometimes it's weird. Some
(39:31):
guys are just natural back there, like they're just fluid
in their natural Jalen Milroll comes across as tight and mechanical.
Now some have said Herbert can be a little mechanical,
but I think I think he's loose enough. But I
when Milroll, I there's a lot I like. But there
are times on the road. You know, you watch him
against Oklahoma and it now he had receivers dropping balls
(39:52):
left and right, but he didn't look the part. He
didn't look like a first round quarterback. So all right,
Mark Sanchez top of next hour. We're humming today. We
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