November 26, 2024 • 37 mins
Colin talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez who breaks down each of the rookie QBs Caleb Williams, Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels.
Plus, former Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim joins the show in studio to discuss how he'd handle the Aaron Rodgers situation with the Jets and what he sees in Shedeur Sanders as an NFL prospect
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, And with that, we bring him on. We
love having Mark Sanchez on joining us in studio Fox
Sports NFL analysts. By the way, Mark has Seahawks at
the Jets at Seahawks Arizona this weekend, which was one
of the better performances by Seattle this year. Mark has
Oh is it is great to see my friend, great
to see you. It is, you know. It's what's been
interesting is to watch the path of these young quarterbacks.
(00:49):
So Bo Nicks choppy getting there? Wow, right, Jaden Daniels, Wow, Plateau,
Caleb Wow, whoa wow?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Where are we at?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So? I want to start with Caleb. He's the one
that's had a coaching change. I watched him the last
two weekends. There was a lot to like.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh, there's plenty to like.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Even in his worst games, there's still stuff to like
that jumps off the tape that you say, Okay, I
can build around that. Sure, I got to fix this,
but I can build around that. I think the biggest
issue for him is this kind of just delays his
overall progress right in year one to go through a
coaching change and potential head coaching change the next year, Like,
who knows what that's going to look like. So that
(01:32):
can only delay his growth and maturation process in the
NFL as a quarterback or an impactful quarterback. Right, So,
this year to me becomes a little more of a
red shirt year barring them going on an absolute heater
and winning every game from here on out. They got
to play the Packers, they got to play the lines twice.
(01:53):
Vikings like, Okay, if that happens, then we're having a
different conversation and you figure it out, you put a
band aid on it and a little duct tape, and
hopefully you make a run.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Great.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I don't see that happening here. I hope they proved
me wrong. So this is basically a red shirt year.
I want them to get reps, get tape, make all
the mistakes. Now it's almost like playing pick up basketball
in a way where you're gonna play.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Pick up this year.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Just run around, have fun, try and figure it out,
see who you are as a player, mature as much
as you can. And then next year, we're gonna put
you in a structure, a structured league NJB or youth basketball,
youth sports, whatever, and we're gonna give you some parameters
the way we'd like you to play. Your footwork, your eyes,
you read, your timing, all that stuff. So I think
that's kind of where he's at in his development. And
(02:41):
it's really too bad because you want these guys to
have time on task and sweat equity in a system
with one coach over a long period of time.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's the best recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, So obviously bo Nix is playing well and has
a great offensive coach. Because he had sixty one college starts,
and because it's Sean Payton, am I to suspect that
this is kind of what he is like. He didn't
have much beyond this, but he was ready because all
of his college starts, he was ready to play.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He was definitely ready to play, having been in more
situations than most guys, right and especially back to his
Auburn days where they're not blowing teams out like Oregon was.
I mean, those are competitive games. A lot of times
they were getting beat, you know, learning how to play
like that, because that was one of the things that
I struggled with coming into the league is I had
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never won a fourth quarter comeback game, as by the
time I was a rookie, I didn't win one my
entire rookie year. And then my second year, we won
like three or four in a row. Last played last second,
last drive type games, and we racked up a bunch
of fourth quarter overtime wins. Graduated and it was a
step for me. But until you handle those situations, you
(03:58):
never know how guys are going to handle them in
the league, even if they've had him right, I'd prefer
you'd been in that situation. But most of the time
at SC I mean, I mean we lost what two
games that I started. Yeah, So in those two losses, sure,
we had a chance to come back at Oregon State
and we lost, and I threw a pick and we lost.
(04:19):
So those kind of experiences are important, and I'd rather
my guys get those. If I'm coaching the quarterback, I'd
rather he had those experiences than not. But you never
know how it's gonna come out in the league, for sure,
And so that's why you want everything else in place.
You want a great supporting cast, you want the right coordinator,
you want time on task.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And then let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And if it doesn't work the first time, let's give
him a fewer more opportunities at it and.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
See where we shake out. But it's it's real. When
he gets to that next level, it's real.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I was saying this as I think in the media,
we tend to look at the greatest tiger Woods and
instead of just acknowledging, oh, there's never been anybody that good,
we'd pick apart the Phil Mickelson's who can't beat him,
and it's like some of this is just like Rory McElroy.
It's like, no, Roy's great chiefs. Well, no, no, no, I'm
actually going Lamar Jackson, Oh okay, And everybody's like, well,
(05:10):
you know, he can't beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
And by the way, Peyton Manning for a long time
couldn't beat Braddy Belichick. This is not a criticism of Lamar.
I like him throwing twenty six times or less, because
that means they are staying on identity. I like him running.
(05:31):
If you throw an IDM on our fastball, I don't
want to see your breaking stuff throw gas. And so
when we criticize Lamar, I look at it as no, no, no,
he can pass it thirty four times.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
His identity is making defensive coordinators sleep in the facility
three days because you're not sure what you can do.
Like last night, it's a great example. You just give
him enough snaps. He's gonna make you look for you out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Sure, I think some of it is we talked about
opportunities for quarterbacks as rookies, limited opportunities at a fourth
quarter comeback. Let's say if they've blown everybody out in college. Well,
it's similar with this guy, meaning how many times is
the defensive coordinator that he's playing against going to force
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him into known passing situations. There's just limited time on
task because he makes guys miss in the backfield that
are completely free runners. I mean, at one point he
just put the ball behind his back and put a
shake on I think it was Tard or somebody. What
are you kidding me? So the defensive coordinator can't plan
for that. He's planning for Are we getting the free runner?
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Do I have the right numbers? Am I going to
force him into a dropback situation? The thing they can't
account for is his playmaking ability, his ability to just
you know, shift gears, go off script, and his athleticism.
You can't account for that. So the real question is
he'll prove himself as a passer in the playoffs. Again,
(06:59):
this is what we talked aboutlast year. He's got to
prove himself as a passer. Third down, red zone throws,
attempt you know, attempts, completions, touchdowns. That's where he's really
going to be judged. These coordinators are judged by how
many situations? How many times can you get him into that?
Because if you don't, good luck. You keep him up
first and second now and getting first downs, don't force
him in a third and long, don't turn them into
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a passer.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Good luck, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know I said when Tua made fifty three million
base I said, it's more than I'm comfortable with. But
I watched Miami without him, they couldn't pick up first downs.
They're on fire now. He completes seventy seven percent of
his throw so he's obviously got value. I want to
see you guys get paid. Brock pretty to me, same
(07:43):
size now in a second injury athletic, but not Wow
is sort of tua to me. I think TWOA is
a prettier thrower. They both have very good offensive coaches Shanahan,
Mike McDaniel, they both have weapons. So you you as
I say that I think TWOA is better than I
give him credit for. Or I think Purty's not quite
as gifted as everybody else gives him credit for. If
(08:04):
you paid two of fifty three large, Purty's Agent's not
going on take thirty. This is what what am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
This is a lot of it's just preference, like chocolate
ice cream, strawberry ice cream, vanilla ice cream. Lot some
of it's just preference and what you like and the
way you're built to win. And a lot of it
is timing as well, just the timing and the market.
Right just because I'm buying this house and it says
it's worth two point five million dollars, the value of
(08:34):
that house might not be that, but real estate's skyrocketing
right now, so I can't really avoid that. I can't say, hey,
six years ago, this would have been. You know, one
point too, why don't we work with those numbers because
people are like, no, dude, it's a recency bias thing.
So with Brock, he's just the next guy in line.
(08:54):
Whatever Dax was, boom, level me up. And that's kind
of the way it goes until somebody changes that. So
that's the way that's going to go, whether you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Like Brock or not.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The only argument to the two of stuff I would
say would be, if I'm putting my Joel Klatt hat
on is they weren't that great with him when he
got hurt, like they.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Were losing the bills.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I want to say week two or week three, whenever
he went down, they weren't playing great with him. So
those next four games when everybody's like, oh, we don't
have to it wool, they weren't that good before. Now
that we have a bigger sample size, it's obvious. It's
totally obvious they need him. He's a great facilitator for
that group that they have, and then when it's time
to take shots and pierce the defense, he's got that too.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So they have everything they want.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But I think when it comes to contracts and party
and all that it's really gonna hamstring that organization because
it's gonna be hard to keep everybody if you pay
the quarterback that you can't keep everybody. And they've been
getting away with that for the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
All right, So I want to get into I really
thought off of by I look at Arizona. They have
a real offensive identity, and you did this game, and
I'm like, boy, Seattle, good luck with this one. Now,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I mean in.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Arizona had played great for a month. I know that's
an organization that I rarely trust, and I finally bought
in and they burned you. Well, I mean, Gino had
a pick in the ends, and I mean they gave Seattle,
gave Arizona opportunities. But the pass rush was incredible. And
Jay Mack and I have talked about this. What is
Gino Smith? Well, he's tall, he moves, he's got a
(10:33):
good arm. I get why. Pete Carroll was like, you
goin a lot of games with this guy, Like, I
totally get it. It's not a size arm movement. He'll
throw the occasional WinCE, but that's life. You have a
play for it. Your thoughts, well, how should I look
at Gino, Well.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think it's fair to compare him to his first
year starting two years ago, where he led the league
in completion percentage, ye comeback player of the Year, pro bowler,
all that, and then last year took a dip in
production completion percentage wise, and then touchdown to interception wise.
He started off like three to one, three touchdowns one interception.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's great. Last year was like two.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
To one, and this year it's almost one to one,
or it is one to one, right, So he's tied
I think for leading the league in interceptions or whatever.
So I think eliminating some of those where he's just
gonna It's an impulse control issue, and it's that last second.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is it worth it? That last second? Is the juice
worth the squeeze here?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And if I play conservative, can we still give ourselves
chances to win and retain possession of the football. That's
the hardest thing to do as a quarterback. When it's
all happening all at one time, within two seconds, You've
got to make a decision that affects the outcome not
only of that play, but the next drive, that game,
the season, people's careers, your life, as a player, you know,
(11:56):
and in those two seconds you have to make the
right decision, and some of those things have to be premeditated.
So when we start talking about this cover zero idea,
film prep. Yeah, the film prep and all that, you're
almost making those decisions before they happen. Because when you
get in the heat of the moment and you need
to make the right decision, if you're gonna wait till
(12:16):
you're in the back seat of the car with a
pretty girl from high school to decide whether you're abstinent
or not, it's probably not the time to make.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The decision, right, because that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So if you're gonna wait till those two seconds and
that heated moment of the game, you're probably not gonna
make that right decision.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So a lot of this is prep.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A lot of this is getting on the same page
with the new offensive coordinator and all that stuff. So
if we roll this first clip, the idea of cover
zero is to bring one more player than you can block, right,
So as an offense, you have options. Once they use
their motion indicator, they realize they got seven guys there.
I got five zero linemen and a half back. I
got six. Oh boy, this is man a man. There
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is nobody in the middle of the field. Here it comes.
Here comes the pressure. Okay, what are my I could
change the protection, I could throw it quick, I could
signal a route.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
What do I want to do?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Gino decides that he's gonna pull from his toolkit and say, hey, listen,
I'm gonna bring the tight end in. I'm gonna change
the protection, signal the route.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
We're good.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Well what's Kaizier White doing? He hit the ucheck we check.
This is the chess match that everybody talks about. They
got a veteran linebacker like Kaizer White who's played in
this system back in Philly with Gannon and says, hey,
get to cover three.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Boom.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They checked it after Gino checked it. So now Gino's like, whoa, okay,
now what charbon A goes to block his guy that
he's got a block is gone.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
There's nobody there. They checked.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So this is a good lesson for the quarterback and
running back. If there's nobody there, I need him out.
Gino's looking at the routes, knowing they got the defensive
check right. They guess right, He's looking for the back.
Everybody's blue out of there. Okay, where's my halfback? Where's
my outlet? Charbone is still blocking, He's blocking nobody. Gino's like, dude,
(14:01):
you're my ride home. The party's over. What's going on?
You're my dd you know what I mean? And he's
in there playing beer pong, like, dude, you can't drive
me home now, I'm on my own.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'm walking home. And on the way home, he's got
a problem.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
He sees something flash and he thinks it's a good
idea to hop into another party.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Party's over, dude, go home.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Game's over look At this plays over, you're up thirteen
to three. You have a chance to go up sixteen
to three and make it a two touchdown ball game,
not just a two score ball game. He ends up
coming back and having a great drive to win this game.
He does right, So you can't like criticize him too much.
But in that moment, I guarantee he would say, yeah, dude,
I was trying too hard. Yeah, and I've one hundred
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percent been there. Yeah you think it's there, and I
can fix everything with my arm. I can make it work.
They got it right, Cut bait and move on. All right,
Let's see the second so then the second one, he
does it exactly right. If you roll this clip, he's
gonna do something similar. Motion indicator boom. There goes a safety,
flat top defense nobody in the middle of the field.
Gino has some decisions to make. You could hear it
(15:02):
on the broadcast. He goes Richie, Richie, Richie, which is
a gap protection. Basically, they're gonna slide all five offensive
linemen to the left, bring the tight end on the right,
bring him down in protection, and let the back go
handle the sea gap. So the back has the sea gap,
tight end has the D gap. Everybody else. You slide
for all the other gaps to the left and wad
it all up. You know, there's gonna be pressure from
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this side. They're gonna overload your line. So somebody's gonna
try and break through that, and Gino's gonna end up
drifting away from it. You can tell Buddha Baker's blitz
him because the safety's stacked right on top of him.
That's your indicator right there, and Gino knows it. So
Charbonnay is gonna go help the tight end to the right.
Gino is gonna feel the pressure. He's already signaled to
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the receivers. Change the protection now signaled. He knows they're coming.
You can feel it now. This is different than the
last clip. They didn't blow out of there at the snap.
They're advancing and attacking. So he gives a subtle drift
away from the pressure, away from the free hitter, and
he throws his beautiful out route that he signaled to
Jigba and Smith and Jigba. He basically signaled to those
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outside guys, clear out Smith and jigb. But you know
what to do. He got inside leverage. It's covered, zero boom,
break out, baby protection. Don confirm it, don ball done.
So you can't tell me you can't do it. It's
just that next step contingency planning and impulse control. If
they happen to guess right and check out of your
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check you better have a planer.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I tell you I'd be a terrible quarterback. My impulse,
my impulse control is poor.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But what I love about that segment it shows and
there's a there's a distinction between the line between doing
it right and doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Seconds.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't even know if it's that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's boom ba boom boom boom boom. I watched the
play last night by Justin Herbert where he chose to
run it in for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yea, And there was a.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Guy they showed, they showed the back view. I would
have thrown it to the corner and he had like
half a second.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I'm thinking you and half the country watching that
guy's open.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I would like let it rip. And he made the
right decision. And I don't think we understand, just intellectually,
how hard this position is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh, it's there's a lot. I mean, people question, how
the heck could I play it knowing min do that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But he did?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Just fun no and sorry. Today is my son's eighth birthday.
Have birthday, DJ, I love.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Youbody, DJ.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Let's hear it for DJ. Happy birthday, DJ.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't want to forget spoil my mom.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
One time, my late mother said I want you to
spoil your children, and I said, I am here to
give them life lessons. Jumping Jackson wind sprints eight am.
My mom has never been mad because you spoil your kids.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So there you go, and I'm sure you do, Bud.
He great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
Tomorrow on the show, Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame
football coach, go join us in studio. We're going to
have Joel Klatt is going to be joining us in studio.
I still can't believe you like USC, You think us
he can beat Notre Dame. Well, I'll tell you what
everybody's on Lincoln Riley. If he beats LSU, he beats
his rival UCLA, and beats Notre Dame and took Penn
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State overtime, is everybody going to finally acknowledge maybe it's
not the end of the world. I mean, can you
imagine if you got into the season and said USC
beats LSU and a neutral Notre Dame their rival, and
they do lose to Penn State in overtime, you think
the sky has.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Falling by I think they lost to Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They lost to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Maryland hurt. Come on that one hurt Minnesota. I can
live with Maryland. This isn't Howard Schnellenberger or whoever was
coaching Miami way way back in the day. Like there
lis is some bad teams, dude, come on, well, Maryland's
not good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Fun game in the NBA last night, cal heard so,
Jokic and.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Westbrook combined for almost seventy points and the Nuggets still
lost by a billion to My Knicks. New York led
by thirty and the Nuggets felt a five and four
at home.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Head coach Michael Malone very fiery. He was embarrassed by
the effort.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh man, wait, no, no, no, no, no, We're not flushing.
You don't flesh when you get embarrassed. You don't flesh
when you gave up find you in forty five points.
You don't flush when you didn't play hard, didn't play
with effort, didn't play with pissicality. I'm not flushing anything.
Russell Westbrook, I mean, he's vocal. I mean, but we
need more than Russell Westbrook. I need NICOLEA. Jokicic, I
(19:35):
need Jamal Murray. I need guys that have been here
and that starting lineup to be vocal. And you know,
tonight we got embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, you know, they beat the Lakers. Maybe they're didn't
They beat the Lakers a couple days earlier.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
They always beat the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, and they're feeling pretty good about themselves. And it's
you know, it's NBA, it's November. Not totally focused, almost
like a sad blazing five. Maybe you have a one
for four. You don't flush that. You get angry, right,
you get fired out. I'm angry. The sea is angry,
my Fred.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
All right, let's get to the next story.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
The Chicago Bears in the midst of a five game
losing street. They're now four and seven. Colin Caleb Williams
has played well, but quarterback Jalen Johnson is sick and
tired of the same old losing.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I've been in slump's four or five years in a
row now, So I mean, at the end of the day,
I don't look for it. Okay, what's gonna be better
in the future. The god damn it would be better
when it's better. So I mean, right now, it's not better.
That's all I can go off of.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They got six players. I really like he's one of them.
Their structure is messed up. I think they have players.
I don't like their structure. So I do like Arizona.
I like Arizona's players, A lot of them I don't
like their their structure. Historically, I think Chicago's got better
talent than Arizona, don't you defensively? So I'm doing I
do the right ups for gambling for Fox. And there's
(20:55):
a crazy stat. So the Bears are third in the
NFL and turnover marks. Teams that are won two and
three you have great records. Chicago's four and seven despite
being plus nine in Jevers, they've lost.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
How the hell are you four and seven?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They've been in some close games. You know, a young quarterback,
coaching change, They've been in close games. They're not getting
blown out regularly. You know, they outplayed Green Bay and loss.
It's like Denver out played Kansas City and loss. Sometimes
you have a rookie quarterback. You're a young team. I've
said this generally, four and seven teams don't get me
to a television set. I think the Bears are interesting.
(21:29):
I thought Keenan Allen this weekend was great. I like
DJ Moore, I like Cole Comet. There's a lot of
elements to Chicago. I like, do I trust ownership? Do
I trust front office? Do I trust the head coach?
This thing, they've got to have synergy it's not just
you know, there's six seven great quarterbacks in the league.
There may not be more than six or seven great
gms and six and seven great owners. Great is hard
(21:52):
in Chicago for years, it's been an ownership, front office, president,
coach issue with me. They've had a lot of really
good football play. Okay, so Jacksonville, we've tied Belichick to
the Eagles. If that comes over, you tied Belichick to
the Jags, I have, Okay, Well, other reporters have, and
then there's Dallas. Tell me, why wouldn't Belichick be interested
(22:13):
in Chicago, which has a good amount of talent quarterback on.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
A rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, ownership doesn't get in the way. We have any
connection to that. Emotionally, he's got a connection to the Giants.
He's got a connection to Jerry Jones. He didn't have
any connection to Jacksonville.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
What's a better job right now, Chicago or the Giants?
Assuming the Giants don't get the number one pick, Let's
say they get the number three pick. Well, the Chicago's
got a quarterback, Yeah, Giants don't. Well, I don't understand
why more people aren't saying Belichick should look at Chicago.
They've got the foundational defense. But he has no connection
to the NFC. He has no connection to the ownership group.
People tend tore. If you were looking for a job tomorrow,
(22:49):
wouldn't you wonder, oh, where are my friends? Former teammates,
co workers. Bill's got a connection to Jerry Jones and
a connection to the New York Giants. That's always where
people look first. Who am I comfortable with? Who do
I trust? Who do I love? Where did my family live?
You know? So I just think you can say, oh, Chicago.
Belichick's got no tie to Chicago, the mccaskeys, He didn't
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know any of those people. He may know him, but
he's you know, if I'm that Chicago ownership family, I
want to know Belichick.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I mean, I mean the guys. Who's one more than him?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, well that Brady had a little to do with
that too, a little bit. Oh it's pretty good. So
maybe Belichick isn't as desirable interesting, all right, Colard.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Final story is Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Here we go. He went from one of the worst
started quarterbacks in the league to a potential, highly coveted
backup after he cleared waivers. So Kevin O'Connell has a
reputation with quarterbacks. He was asked about the Giants, Oh,
sorry about the Vikings maybe.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Picking up the former Giant quarterback.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I'm not gonna really get into that today, but I
will say tons of respect for Daniel Jones as a
player and a person. Got to know him through the
draft process years.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Ago, and you know, I'm.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Sure now that he's you know, a free agent and
there's probably a ton of league wide interest in him.
But I really can't get into too much about, you know,
any short term or long term. I can just say,
you know, been a fan of Daniels for a long
time and hope, uh you know, wherever his next stop
takes him, it's a it's a good opportunity for him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, I mean, he's listening. He's big, he's athletic, he
went to Duke. He's strong. It does he doesn't feel
terribly fluid. He can be a bit mechanical, but he
is going to have a real market as a two
and as a spot starter. But there's I'm gonna tell
you something, you can do worse than Daniel Jones as
your two. And then, by the way, fifty quarterbacks play
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a year so backups play. So, if you're Daniel Jones,
don't you think I want to go somewhere where maybe
I could start in his mind, he's not I'm a
back If I was Daniel Jones, honestly, yeah, I want
to go somewhere without chaos. That's all I care about. Like,
can I go to an organization like San Francisco calls
no chaos? That's where I'm if I got a job
out of college and I went to a place and
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I bombed and it was uh, it was cats and
dogs living together. My second job is I want to
take my family. I want to take a deep breath.
Can I just go to a functional operation? Because he's
already made good money, I don't I think it's like
San Francisco. I'd be like, yeah, Shanahan.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But the one promise he's not gonna play there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, he's not gonna have an optim to be the
guy brock Perty's hurt for a second time. How do
you know he's not gonna play?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Okay, maybe in maybe you're right, maybe he gets in
some act or here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'll throw another one at Miami. I get Tyreek Hill,
Jada and Waddle Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
So you're rooting.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I mean, I get I get a really good offensive code.
When you've been burned in life, you're looking for structure.
He is looking for structure. Giants are a I mean
they're just unwieldy. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I don't know that there's this a place for him
to start in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Maybe not the Raiders if they don't have a top
five baby, but dysfunction of its highest form.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
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Speaker 1 (26:09):
We're not even close to Doune speaking of quarterbacks. Former
NFL Executive Year twice Steve Kahm around the Corner live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (26:26):
Got to an NFC championship. Multiple time Executive of the Year.
Steve Khim, former NFL GM now is running football NFL
stuff for Clutch Sports. Well, it's it was funny because
I'm thinking of you all these Arizona guys. Kyler Murray,
Buddha Baker, Connor McBride, the tight end you leave and
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they're all stars, absolutely, all the guys that you acquired
and drafted bab this year. I will say this about
Arizona is you know Kyler Murray always had this stuff
he does whatever it is. They're putting them under center. Yes,
you like the way they're using them.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I love the way they're using them, and that's exactly
how I thought they should have used them all along.
His ability to be able to extend plays with his
feet obviously is his strength. But when you put a
guy under center like that, now all of a sudden,
you set up the play action game, you set up
boots and waggles and different things he can do out
of the pocket.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Kyler.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean, I really think all along we probably should
have had him in the gun, or should have not
had him in the gun, and we should have put
him in that position. Because number One, they got the
run game going. James Connor has playing out of his mind.
A guy has signed him free agency. He has been tremendous.
I think that they're doing a great job though of
creating a run game, obviously keeping teams off balance, and
now being able to put Kyler in a position to succeed.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, they had a stinker last week off of BUYE,
but I still like their talent. I want to ask
you this, It is weird. You know, in baseball, the
big markets have an advantage. In the NFL, you have none.
There's an argument the Jets and Giants are the two
most dysfunctional franchises in the league. And it's the Green Bays,
the Buffaloes, the Baltimoores that are so well run. It's
the New York teams that are a mess. Right now,
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you're the Jets.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
GM.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What is what? What is the first move a new
GM has to make with the Jets.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I mean, I think with some of you, when you
look at the talent on that roster you got, I
think you got to get back to basics. I think
you got to get a little younger. I think you
got to cut the court on a couple of those players.
You're not going to the super Bowl anymore with Darreon
Rodgers and Devonte Adams. You're just not. So I think
to me, it's it's it's it's reset, reset everything, get
back to basics, clean some cap room out and become healthy.
As a roster.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron, but you and I had
a discussion a while ago. You go back to us
last year in Green Bay. You can see him age.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah. Yeah. Listen, their father time is undefeated. All players'
skills diminish at some point in time, and generally they
have to know when they diminish. Sometimes it's good that
they do understand that because that puts them in a
better position to understand where their limitations are. But at
the same time, it's hard. When these guys play for
a long time. It's hard to hear that you that
you are diminishing from a skill set standpoint, and long
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story short, they don't have the supporting cast offensive to
get him in the good position.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I want to talk about if you look at
the draft order today, there are two teams that we
know absolutely that are going to draft quarterbacks. We say
Raiders Giants. Now, Sam Darnold will be out there. I
don't know if you'd want to coming back to New York.
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There'll be something else out there. So you look at
all these teams. Now, I think the Jags stay with
Trevor Lawrence. I think New England's got their guy. I
think Bryce Young may have bought himself another year. So
let's talk to college prospects. This is what you do
now for clutch sports. Yes, let's talk should Doer Sanders?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
What do you look at? Is a ten times ten
year GM that you like and what concerned you with
should do Sanders?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Well, let me say this first. I love all top
three quarterbacks in my opinion, Top three, arshadur cam Ord
and Jylen Milroe. Those the guys I have in that order.
I love all three either come in different flavors to me.
Shador is the most polished player. I think he's gonna
be the first pick in the draft. He has got
a great skill set. He understands coverage, he has great eyes, anticipation,
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all the things you look for in a franchise quarterback.
Obviously he's grown up with it with his dad, and
he's been coached well. I think he will be the
first pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Anything you worry about with him holds a.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Ball too long. He holds a ball too long, and
that's what some athletic quarterbacks tend to do. I mean,
even with Kyler early on in the process. He can
hold the ball too long because again their whole length,
They've been able to escape pressure. When all of a
sudden you get bigger and faster, you can't escape pressure anymore.
You got to play with your ears, your eyes, and
your instincts.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, let's go to cam Ward Love his arm.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
What do you see, gun Slinger. He has got the
best arm talent in this draft. I mean when I
talk about arm talent, Colin, he is off the charts,
big arm, great velocity. He throws the far hash to
the out numbers as good as anybody I've seen. That
ball is still rising when he throws it. He has
got tremendous velocity, accuracy in touch. I think he's going
to be the second quarterback taken. And when you watch
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his highlights here, I mean he puts on a show. Now,
there are some issues with decision making and some other
things that I've had.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
To it's a platform.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
He's a little off platform, and he can play with
outside the system at times and maybe not take some
of the checkdowns and some things yes and do. But
those slants, those those digs and those out routes he
throws as pretty as anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Jalen mill Roll, here's what I like he's a he's
it looks like a better Anthony Richardson. He's not fluid, though, Steve,
He's a right mechanical yep is that? Where were you here?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Here?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Here's the uh what I would I like to say
when I hear that when we went back and re
evaluated players, thirty two teams missed on a guy named
Lamar Jackson. You can say that Baltimore Ravens hit on him. No,
they traded up to thirty two to get him, So
they picked a player before Lamar Jackson in the first round.
So thirty two missed on him. And I look back
at that, and I'm a humble, humble guy. As you
brought Jimmy Johnson on the said earlier, he cut me,
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so it really humbled me coming here. But Lamar Jackson
was not a great pure passer coming out. He was
a tremendous athlete. There was a reason why he was
picked thirty two, and he has changed his game. Guys
can get a little more accurate, I think with mechanical work, footwork,
all those things. Coaching, great coaching, Jaln Milrose. Now that
being said to me, I see somewhere between Richardson and Lamar.
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I don't think he's quite as polished as Lamar was
coming out. That being said, I think he's a better
player than Anthony Richardson, and he is so much more
explosive athletically than both both of those guys. I mean,
he is a low four three forty guy that can
extend plays with his feet. He's as big and strong,
as explosive as they come. And I think he's a
good enough passer right now to put you in it again.
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Everybody's got to understand skmmatically what you're asking them to do,
and they've got to cater to his strengths. But he's
got a real chance.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I want to go back you and I tell you,
this is the stuff I love. I've always told people
if I ever didn't do this, I'm jealous of you.
I go to dinner with Steve for two reasons. He
picks up the check and I'm jealous of him.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Rich Paul picks up the check. Thank you, Rich.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Bo Nicks. Did you think he would be this good?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I would hate I'll have be lying if I said no.
I mean, there's no chance I would say this. I
loved the combination. As we know, when you put people together.
I loved him and Sean Payton, Okay, you did. I
think Sean Payton. I have three guys and I think
are the best play callers in the NFL and the
best coaches in the NFL. From that standpoint, Sean Payton's
obviously one of them. Tremendous play caller, great coach, demands
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the best, holds players accountable, yes, and a guy like
him as a coach's son. He's done it all. He's
at the most starts in college football, and I thought
that he would be a guy that would really, really,
really flourish under Shawn's coaching.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, you told me that. Caleb Williams, where are you
at now? Your thoughts sort.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Of what I expected? Didn't love, you know. Cliff Kingsbury,
who I love to death and his close friend, went
in there, and I don't think that they took him
serious to hire him as an offensive coordinator. He's gone
on and floors somewhere else. I think they made a big, big,
big mistake by not hiring Cliff. I think you put
Caleb Williams in that situation and you see his natural
skill set and you see his potential, but you put
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him with your wrong offensive coordinator, in the wrong system,
in the wrong culture, a mess, and the Chicago Bears
are going to go back to the drawing board and
hire a new coach.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
This all. Does Cliff want the Bears oc job?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I think he would have loved it, but he was
That was the first job he interviewed for. Then he
went on to the Raiders and then the Red you know,
the Commanders. I almost said the wrong word, But Cliff
in a great place. Obviously, that kid that he's got
has done a tremendous job. And as a student of
the game.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
This quarterback class isn't seem great overall, the draft class
in the NFL. Many have said it's a little light
at the top. But you you just told me recently
that you have just been the last month. You are
just watching nothing but film. Is there a position group
you like? It's not a great quarterback draft. I'll throw it.
Is there another quarterback later in the draft? He makes
(34:43):
fun of me because I think Riley Leonard, if he
sat for two years, could be something. Do you do
we just have three draftable quarterbacks? Do you see anybody else? No?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Other's some guys. I mean, obviously the kid at Georgia
Carson back he is, he's sort of fallen Quinn yours,
you know, I think has some questions about him. Riley
Leonard is a guy that's you name him, Dave Pass
who works for ESPN. He was our play by play guy.
He called me last year when he was playing really
well for Duke. He said, is he you remind you of?
I said, from an athletic skill set standpoint, just he's long,
he's lanky, he can really run, and he's unpolished. Like
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another guy named Ryan Tannehill when he came out of
Texas Hill. He came out of Texas A and M
as a former wide receiver who changed in due quarterback.
I think there's some similarities.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
There, Ryan Tannehill, Riley Ter you hear that j J
Max's been selling that guy stock day one.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
What do I know?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Finally, I watched last night. I think Jim Harball's ahead
of schedule. What was your takeaway? I don't think they're
as good as the Ravens. What was your takeaway last night?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Saying they're just not good enough? He hadn't had enough
drafts to put the personnel in place. From my standpoint,
Jim Harball has changed that culture already. They're ahead of
the curve. Everything you said about him last this year
when I heard you sort of beating the drum for
Jim Harball, you nailed it. He has set the tone
there and he has laid the foundation to me the
next step istom line, get no good players. Joe Ortiz GM,
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former Baltimore Raven, a friend of mine, fantastic, does a
great job identifying talent, has the Baltimore Ravens way. They
just got beat by the team that he helped become better.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's right. It's do you miss the GM job? Because
you are GM in Clutch Sports football, so you don't
have a crazy owner. So it do you like the job?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
You know what? I don't know if I told you
this the other naight at dinner. This is my favorite
job I've ever had because I'm at a point in
my life where I have the chance to pay it forward.
So not only am I meeting a lot of young
talented players across the country that we're trying to sign
for Clutch Sports, I worked for Rich Paul, who is
amazing in every way. The guy is forward thinker, He's
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a brilliant businessman and He's great to work with. And
then on top of that, I get to talk to
college kids and hopefully I can give them the answers
to the test, how to prepare for the combine, how
to prepare for being a professional and National Football League.
All those things are important and it's my time to
give back.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, good for you. Rich Paul has been good to
me through the years. And when Rich is mad at me,
calls me and tells me he's mad. I like authentic people,
and that's Rich Paul and Clutch Sports. Steve Khim former
NFL GM now with Clutch Sports. Great toe anybody, as always,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, And with that, we bring him on. We
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Sports NFL analysts. By the way, Mark has Seahawks at
the Jets at Seahawks Arizona this weekend, which was one
of the better performances by Seattle this year. Mark has
Oh is it is great to see my friend, great
to see you. It is, you know. It's what's been
interesting is to watch the path of these young quarterbacks.
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So Bo Nicks choppy getting there? Wow, right, Jaden Daniels, Wow, Plateau,
Caleb Wow, whoa wow?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Where are we at?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So? I want to start with Caleb. He's the one
that's had a coaching change. I watched him the last
two weekends. There was a lot to like.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh, there's plenty to like.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Even in his worst games, there's still stuff to like
that jumps off the tape that you say, Okay, I
can build around that. Sure, I got to fix this,
but I can build around that. I think the biggest
issue for him is this kind of just delays his
overall progress right in year one to go through a
coaching change and potential head coaching change the next year, Like,
who knows what that's going to look like. So that
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can only delay his growth and maturation process in the
NFL as a quarterback or an impactful quarterback. Right, So,
this year to me becomes a little more of a
red shirt year barring them going on an absolute heater
and winning every game from here on out. They got
to play the Packers, they got to play the lines twice.
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Vikings like, Okay, if that happens, then we're having a
different conversation and you figure it out, you put a
band aid on it and a little duct tape, and
hopefully you make a run.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Great.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I don't see that happening here. I hope they proved
me wrong. So this is basically a red shirt year.
I want them to get reps, get tape, make all
the mistakes. Now it's almost like playing pick up basketball
in a way where you're gonna play.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Pick up this year.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Just run around, have fun, try and figure it out,
see who you are as a player, mature as much
as you can. And then next year, we're gonna put
you in a structure, a structured league NJB or youth basketball,
youth sports, whatever, and we're gonna give you some parameters
the way we'd like you to play. Your footwork, your eyes,
you read, your timing, all that stuff. So I think
that's kind of where he's at in his development. And
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it's really too bad because you want these guys to
have time on task and sweat equity in a system
with one coach over a long period of time.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's the best recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, So obviously bo Nix is playing well and has
a great offensive coach. Because he had sixty one college starts,
and because it's Sean Payton, am I to suspect that
this is kind of what he is like. He didn't
have much beyond this, but he was ready because all
of his college starts, he was ready to play.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He was definitely ready to play, having been in more
situations than most guys, right and especially back to his
Auburn days where they're not blowing teams out like Oregon was.
I mean, those are competitive games. A lot of times
they were getting beat, you know, learning how to play
like that, because that was one of the things that
I struggled with coming into the league is I had
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never won a fourth quarter comeback game, as by the
time I was a rookie, I didn't win one my
entire rookie year. And then my second year, we won
like three or four in a row. Last played last second,
last drive type games, and we racked up a bunch
of fourth quarter overtime wins. Graduated and it was a
step for me. But until you handle those situations, you
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never know how guys are going to handle them in
the league, even if they've had him right, I'd prefer
you'd been in that situation. But most of the time
at SC I mean, I mean we lost what two
games that I started. Yeah, So in those two losses, sure,
we had a chance to come back at Oregon State
and we lost, and I threw a pick and we lost.
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So those kind of experiences are important, and I'd rather
my guys get those. If I'm coaching the quarterback, I'd
rather he had those experiences than not. But you never
know how it's gonna come out in the league, for sure,
And so that's why you want everything else in place.
You want a great supporting cast, you want the right coordinator,
you want time on task.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And then let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And if it doesn't work the first time, let's give
him a fewer more opportunities at it and.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
See where we shake out. But it's it's real. When
he gets to that next level, it's real.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I was saying this as I think in the media,
we tend to look at the greatest tiger Woods and
instead of just acknowledging, oh, there's never been anybody that good,
we'd pick apart the Phil Mickelson's who can't beat him,
and it's like some of this is just like Rory McElroy.
It's like, no, Roy's great chiefs. Well, no, no, no, I'm
actually going Lamar Jackson, Oh okay, And everybody's like, well,
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you know, he can't beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
And by the way, Peyton Manning for a long time
couldn't beat Braddy Belichick. This is not a criticism of Lamar.
I like him throwing twenty six times or less, because
that means they are staying on identity. I like him running.
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If you throw an IDM on our fastball, I don't
want to see your breaking stuff throw gas. And so
when we criticize Lamar, I look at it as no, no, no,
he can pass it thirty four times.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
His identity is making defensive coordinators sleep in the facility
three days because you're not sure what you can do.
Like last night, it's a great example. You just give
him enough snaps. He's gonna make you look for you out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Sure, I think some of it is we talked about
opportunities for quarterbacks as rookies, limited opportunities at a fourth
quarter comeback. Let's say if they've blown everybody out in college. Well,
it's similar with this guy, meaning how many times is
the defensive coordinator that he's playing against going to force
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him into known passing situations. There's just limited time on
task because he makes guys miss in the backfield that
are completely free runners. I mean, at one point he
just put the ball behind his back and put a
shake on I think it was Tard or somebody. What
are you kidding me? So the defensive coordinator can't plan
for that. He's planning for Are we getting the free runner?
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Do I have the right numbers? Am I going to
force him into a dropback situation? The thing they can't
account for is his playmaking ability, his ability to just
you know, shift gears, go off script, and his athleticism.
You can't account for that. So the real question is
he'll prove himself as a passer in the playoffs. Again,
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this is what we talked aboutlast year. He's got to
prove himself as a passer. Third down, red zone throws,
attempt you know, attempts, completions, touchdowns. That's where he's really
going to be judged. These coordinators are judged by how
many situations? How many times can you get him into that?
Because if you don't, good luck. You keep him up
first and second now and getting first downs, don't force
him in a third and long, don't turn them into
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a passer.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Good luck, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know I said when Tua made fifty three million
base I said, it's more than I'm comfortable with. But
I watched Miami without him, they couldn't pick up first downs.
They're on fire now. He completes seventy seven percent of
his throw so he's obviously got value. I want to
see you guys get paid. Brock pretty to me, same
(07:43):
size now in a second injury athletic, but not Wow
is sort of tua to me. I think TWOA is
a prettier thrower. They both have very good offensive coaches Shanahan,
Mike McDaniel, they both have weapons. So you you as
I say that I think TWOA is better than I
give him credit for. Or I think Purty's not quite
as gifted as everybody else gives him credit for. If
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you paid two of fifty three large, Purty's Agent's not
going on take thirty. This is what what am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
This is a lot of it's just preference, like chocolate
ice cream, strawberry ice cream, vanilla ice cream. Lot some
of it's just preference and what you like and the
way you're built to win. And a lot of it
is timing as well, just the timing and the market.
Right just because I'm buying this house and it says
it's worth two point five million dollars, the value of
(08:34):
that house might not be that, but real estate's skyrocketing
right now, so I can't really avoid that. I can't say, hey,
six years ago, this would have been. You know, one
point too, why don't we work with those numbers because
people are like, no, dude, it's a recency bias thing.
So with Brock, he's just the next guy in line.
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Whatever Dax was, boom, level me up. And that's kind
of the way it goes until somebody changes that. So
that's the way that's going to go, whether you.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Like Brock or not.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The only argument to the two of stuff I would
say would be, if I'm putting my Joel Klatt hat
on is they weren't that great with him when he
got hurt, like they.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Were losing the bills.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I want to say week two or week three, whenever
he went down, they weren't playing great with him. So
those next four games when everybody's like, oh, we don't
have to it wool, they weren't that good before. Now
that we have a bigger sample size, it's obvious. It's
totally obvious they need him. He's a great facilitator for
that group that they have, and then when it's time
to take shots and pierce the defense, he's got that too.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
So they have everything they want.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But I think when it comes to contracts and party
and all that it's really gonna hamstring that organization because
it's gonna be hard to keep everybody if you pay
the quarterback that you can't keep everybody. And they've been
getting away with that for the last four or five years.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
All right, So I want to get into I really
thought off of by I look at Arizona. They have
a real offensive identity, and you did this game, and
I'm like, boy, Seattle, good luck with this one. Now,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I mean in.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Arizona had played great for a month. I know that's
an organization that I rarely trust, and I finally bought
in and they burned you. Well, I mean, Gino had
a pick in the ends, and I mean they gave Seattle,
gave Arizona opportunities. But the pass rush was incredible. And
Jay Mack and I have talked about this. What is
Gino Smith? Well, he's tall, he moves, he's got a
(10:33):
good arm. I get why. Pete Carroll was like, you
goin a lot of games with this guy, Like, I
totally get it. It's not a size arm movement. He'll
throw the occasional WinCE, but that's life. You have a
play for it. Your thoughts, well, how should I look
at Gino, Well.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think it's fair to compare him to his first
year starting two years ago, where he led the league
in completion percentage, ye comeback player of the Year, pro bowler,
all that, and then last year took a dip in
production completion percentage wise, and then touchdown to interception wise.
He started off like three to one, three touchdowns one interception.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's great. Last year was like two.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
To one, and this year it's almost one to one,
or it is one to one, right, So he's tied
I think for leading the league in interceptions or whatever.
So I think eliminating some of those where he's just
gonna It's an impulse control issue, and it's that last second.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is it worth it? That last second? Is the juice
worth the squeeze here?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And if I play conservative, can we still give ourselves
chances to win and retain possession of the football. That's
the hardest thing to do as a quarterback. When it's
all happening all at one time, within two seconds, You've
got to make a decision that affects the outcome not
only of that play, but the next drive, that game,
the season, people's careers, your life, as a player, you know,
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and in those two seconds you have to make the
right decision, and some of those things have to be premeditated.
So when we start talking about this cover zero idea,
film prep. Yeah, the film prep and all that, you're
almost making those decisions before they happen. Because when you
get in the heat of the moment and you need
to make the right decision, if you're gonna wait till
(12:16):
you're in the back seat of the car with a
pretty girl from high school to decide whether you're abstinent
or not, it's probably not the time to make.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The decision, right, because that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So if you're gonna wait till those two seconds and
that heated moment of the game, you're probably not gonna
make that right decision.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So a lot of this is prep.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A lot of this is getting on the same page
with the new offensive coordinator and all that stuff. So
if we roll this first clip, the idea of cover
zero is to bring one more player than you can block, right,
So as an offense, you have options. Once they use
their motion indicator, they realize they got seven guys there.
I got five zero linemen and a half back. I
got six. Oh boy, this is man a man. There
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is nobody in the middle of the field. Here it comes.
Here comes the pressure. Okay, what are my I could
change the protection, I could throw it quick, I could
signal a route.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
What do I want to do?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Gino decides that he's gonna pull from his toolkit and say, hey, listen,
I'm gonna bring the tight end in. I'm gonna change
the protection, signal the route.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
We're good.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Well what's Kaizier White doing? He hit the ucheck we check.
This is the chess match that everybody talks about. They
got a veteran linebacker like Kaizer White who's played in
this system back in Philly with Gannon and says, hey,
get to cover three.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Boom.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They checked it after Gino checked it. So now Gino's like, whoa, okay,
now what charbon A goes to block his guy that
he's got a block is gone.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
There's nobody there. They checked.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So this is a good lesson for the quarterback and
running back. If there's nobody there, I need him out.
Gino's looking at the routes, knowing they got the defensive
check right. They guess right, He's looking for the back.
Everybody's blue out of there. Okay, where's my halfback? Where's
my outlet? Charbone is still blocking, He's blocking nobody. Gino's like, dude,
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you're my ride home. The party's over. What's going on?
You're my dd you know what I mean? And he's
in there playing beer pong, like, dude, you can't drive
me home now, I'm on my own.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'm walking home. And on the way home, he's got
a problem.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
He sees something flash and he thinks it's a good
idea to hop into another party.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Party's over, dude, go home.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Game's over look At this plays over, you're up thirteen
to three. You have a chance to go up sixteen
to three and make it a two touchdown ball game,
not just a two score ball game. He ends up
coming back and having a great drive to win this game.
He does right, So you can't like criticize him too much.
But in that moment, I guarantee he would say, yeah, dude,
I was trying too hard. Yeah, and I've one hundred
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percent been there. Yeah you think it's there, and I
can fix everything with my arm. I can make it work.
They got it right, Cut bait and move on. All right,
Let's see the second so then the second one, he
does it exactly right. If you roll this clip, he's
gonna do something similar. Motion indicator boom. There goes a safety,
flat top defense nobody in the middle of the field.
Gino has some decisions to make. You could hear it
(15:02):
on the broadcast. He goes Richie, Richie, Richie, which is
a gap protection. Basically, they're gonna slide all five offensive
linemen to the left, bring the tight end on the right,
bring him down in protection, and let the back go
handle the sea gap. So the back has the sea gap,
tight end has the D gap. Everybody else. You slide
for all the other gaps to the left and wad
it all up. You know, there's gonna be pressure from
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this side. They're gonna overload your line. So somebody's gonna
try and break through that, and Gino's gonna end up
drifting away from it. You can tell Buddha Baker's blitz
him because the safety's stacked right on top of him.
That's your indicator right there, and Gino knows it. So
Charbonnay is gonna go help the tight end to the right.
Gino is gonna feel the pressure. He's already signaled to
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the receivers. Change the protection now signaled. He knows they're coming.
You can feel it now. This is different than the
last clip. They didn't blow out of there at the snap.
They're advancing and attacking. So he gives a subtle drift
away from the pressure, away from the free hitter, and
he throws his beautiful out route that he signaled to
Jigba and Smith and Jigba. He basically signaled to those
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outside guys, clear out Smith and jigb. But you know
what to do. He got inside leverage. It's covered, zero boom,
break out, baby protection. Don confirm it, don ball done.
So you can't tell me you can't do it. It's
just that next step contingency planning and impulse control. If
they happen to guess right and check out of your
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check you better have a planer.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I tell you I'd be a terrible quarterback. My impulse,
my impulse control is poor.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But what I love about that segment it shows and
there's a there's a distinction between the line between doing
it right and doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Seconds.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't even know if it's that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's boom ba boom boom boom boom. I watched the
play last night by Justin Herbert where he chose to
run it in for a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yea, And there was a.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Guy they showed, they showed the back view. I would
have thrown it to the corner and he had like
half a second.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I'm thinking you and half the country watching that
guy's open.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I would like let it rip. And he made the
right decision. And I don't think we understand, just intellectually,
how hard this position is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Oh, it's there's a lot. I mean, people question, how
the heck could I play it knowing min do that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But he did?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Just fun no and sorry. Today is my son's eighth birthday.
Have birthday, DJ, I love.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Youbody, DJ.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Let's hear it for DJ. Happy birthday, DJ.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I don't want to forget spoil my mom.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
One time, my late mother said I want you to
spoil your children, and I said, I am here to
give them life lessons. Jumping Jackson wind sprints eight am.
My mom has never been mad because you spoil your kids.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So there you go, and I'm sure you do, Bud.
He great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
Tomorrow on the show, Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame
football coach, go join us in studio. We're going to
have Joel Klatt is going to be joining us in studio.
I still can't believe you like USC, You think us
he can beat Notre Dame. Well, I'll tell you what
everybody's on Lincoln Riley. If he beats LSU, he beats
his rival UCLA, and beats Notre Dame and took Penn
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State overtime, is everybody going to finally acknowledge maybe it's
not the end of the world. I mean, can you
imagine if you got into the season and said USC
beats LSU and a neutral Notre Dame their rival, and
they do lose to Penn State in overtime, you think
the sky has.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Falling by I think they lost to Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They lost to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Maryland hurt. Come on that one hurt Minnesota. I can
live with Maryland. This isn't Howard Schnellenberger or whoever was
coaching Miami way way back in the day. Like there
lis is some bad teams, dude, come on, well, Maryland's
not good. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Fun game in the NBA last night, cal heard so,
Jokic and.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Westbrook combined for almost seventy points and the Nuggets still
lost by a billion to My Knicks. New York led
by thirty and the Nuggets felt a five and four
at home.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Head coach Michael Malone very fiery. He was embarrassed by
the effort.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh man, wait, no, no, no, no, no, We're not flushing.
You don't flesh when you get embarrassed. You don't flesh
when you gave up find you in forty five points.
You don't flush when you didn't play hard, didn't play
with effort, didn't play with pissicality. I'm not flushing anything.
Russell Westbrook, I mean, he's vocal. I mean, but we
need more than Russell Westbrook. I need NICOLEA. Jokicic, I
(19:35):
need Jamal Murray. I need guys that have been here
and that starting lineup to be vocal. And you know,
tonight we got embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, you know, they beat the Lakers. Maybe they're didn't
They beat the Lakers a couple days earlier.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
They always beat the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, and they're feeling pretty good about themselves. And it's
you know, it's NBA, it's November. Not totally focused, almost
like a sad blazing five. Maybe you have a one
for four. You don't flush that. You get angry, right,
you get fired out. I'm angry. The sea is angry,
my Fred.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
All right, let's get to the next story.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
The Chicago Bears in the midst of a five game
losing street. They're now four and seven. Colin Caleb Williams
has played well, but quarterback Jalen Johnson is sick and
tired of the same old losing.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I've been in slump's four or five years in a
row now, So I mean, at the end of the day,
I don't look for it. Okay, what's gonna be better
in the future. The god damn it would be better
when it's better. So I mean, right now, it's not better.
That's all I can go off of.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They got six players. I really like he's one of them.
Their structure is messed up. I think they have players.
I don't like their structure. So I do like Arizona.
I like Arizona's players, A lot of them I don't
like their their structure. Historically, I think Chicago's got better
talent than Arizona, don't you defensively? So I'm doing I
do the right ups for gambling for Fox. And there's
(20:55):
a crazy stat. So the Bears are third in the
NFL and turnover marks. Teams that are won two and
three you have great records. Chicago's four and seven despite
being plus nine in Jevers, they've lost.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
How the hell are you four and seven?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They've been in some close games. You know, a young quarterback,
coaching change, They've been in close games. They're not getting
blown out regularly. You know, they outplayed Green Bay and loss.
It's like Denver out played Kansas City and loss. Sometimes
you have a rookie quarterback. You're a young team. I've
said this generally, four and seven teams don't get me
to a television set. I think the Bears are interesting.
(21:29):
I thought Keenan Allen this weekend was great. I like
DJ Moore, I like Cole Comet. There's a lot of
elements to Chicago. I like, do I trust ownership? Do
I trust front office? Do I trust the head coach?
This thing, they've got to have synergy it's not just
you know, there's six seven great quarterbacks in the league.
There may not be more than six or seven great
gms and six and seven great owners. Great is hard
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in Chicago for years, it's been an ownership, front office, president,
coach issue with me. They've had a lot of really
good football play. Okay, so Jacksonville, we've tied Belichick to
the Eagles. If that comes over, you tied Belichick to
the Jags, I have, Okay, Well, other reporters have, and
then there's Dallas. Tell me, why wouldn't Belichick be interested
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in Chicago, which has a good amount of talent quarterback on.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
A rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, ownership doesn't get in the way. We have any
connection to that. Emotionally, he's got a connection to the Giants.
He's got a connection to Jerry Jones. He didn't have
any connection to Jacksonville.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
What's a better job right now, Chicago or the Giants?
Assuming the Giants don't get the number one pick, Let's
say they get the number three pick. Well, the Chicago's
got a quarterback, Yeah, Giants don't. Well, I don't understand
why more people aren't saying Belichick should look at Chicago.
They've got the foundational defense. But he has no connection
to the NFC. He has no connection to the ownership group.
People tend tore. If you were looking for a job tomorrow,
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wouldn't you wonder, oh, where are my friends? Former teammates,
co workers. Bill's got a connection to Jerry Jones and
a connection to the New York Giants. That's always where
people look first. Who am I comfortable with? Who do
I trust? Who do I love? Where did my family live?
You know? So I just think you can say, oh, Chicago.
Belichick's got no tie to Chicago, the mccaskeys, He didn't
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know any of those people. He may know him, but
he's you know, if I'm that Chicago ownership family, I
want to know Belichick.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
I mean, I mean the guys. Who's one more than him?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, well that Brady had a little to do with
that too, a little bit. Oh it's pretty good. So
maybe Belichick isn't as desirable interesting, all right, Colard.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Final story is Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Here we go. He went from one of the worst
started quarterbacks in the league to a potential, highly coveted
backup after he cleared waivers. So Kevin O'Connell has a
reputation with quarterbacks. He was asked about the Giants, Oh,
sorry about the Vikings maybe.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Picking up the former Giant quarterback.
Speaker 9 (23:48):
I'm not gonna really get into that today, but I
will say tons of respect for Daniel Jones as a
player and a person. Got to know him through the
draft process years.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Ago, and you know, I'm.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Sure now that he's you know, a free agent and
there's probably a ton of league wide interest in him.
But I really can't get into too much about, you know,
any short term or long term. I can just say,
you know, been a fan of Daniels for a long
time and hope, uh you know, wherever his next stop
takes him, it's a it's a good opportunity for him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, I mean, he's listening. He's big, he's athletic, he
went to Duke. He's strong. It does he doesn't feel
terribly fluid. He can be a bit mechanical, but he
is going to have a real market as a two
and as a spot starter. But there's I'm gonna tell
you something, you can do worse than Daniel Jones as
your two. And then, by the way, fifty quarterbacks play
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a year so backups play. So, if you're Daniel Jones,
don't you think I want to go somewhere where maybe
I could start in his mind, he's not I'm a
back If I was Daniel Jones, honestly, yeah, I want
to go somewhere without chaos. That's all I care about. Like,
can I go to an organization like San Francisco calls
no chaos? That's where I'm if I got a job
out of college and I went to a place and
(25:03):
I bombed and it was uh, it was cats and
dogs living together. My second job is I want to
take my family. I want to take a deep breath.
Can I just go to a functional operation? Because he's
already made good money, I don't I think it's like
San Francisco. I'd be like, yeah, Shanahan.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
But the one promise he's not gonna play there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, he's not gonna have an optim to be the
guy brock Perty's hurt for a second time. How do
you know he's not gonna play?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Okay, maybe in maybe you're right, maybe he gets in
some act or here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'll throw another one at Miami. I get Tyreek Hill,
Jada and Waddle Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
So you're rooting.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I mean, I get I get a really good offensive code.
When you've been burned in life, you're looking for structure.
He is looking for structure. Giants are a I mean
they're just unwieldy. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I don't know that there's this a place for him
to start in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Maybe not the Raiders if they don't have a top
five baby, but dysfunction of its highest form.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The
Herd line news.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We're not even close to Doune speaking of quarterbacks. Former
NFL Executive Year twice Steve Kahm around the Corner live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
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Speaker 1 (26:26):
Got to an NFC championship. Multiple time Executive of the Year.
Steve Khim, former NFL GM now is running football NFL
stuff for Clutch Sports. Well, it's it was funny because
I'm thinking of you all these Arizona guys. Kyler Murray,
Buddha Baker, Connor McBride, the tight end you leave and
(26:48):
they're all stars, absolutely, all the guys that you acquired
and drafted bab this year. I will say this about
Arizona is you know Kyler Murray always had this stuff
he does whatever it is. They're putting them under center. Yes,
you like the way they're using them.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I love the way they're using them, and that's exactly
how I thought they should have used them all along.
His ability to be able to extend plays with his
feet obviously is his strength. But when you put a
guy under center like that, now all of a sudden,
you set up the play action game, you set up
boots and waggles and different things he can do out
of the pocket.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Kyler.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean, I really think all along we probably should
have had him in the gun, or should have not
had him in the gun, and we should have put
him in that position. Because number One, they got the
run game going. James Connor has playing out of his mind.
A guy has signed him free agency. He has been tremendous.
I think that they're doing a great job though of
creating a run game, obviously keeping teams off balance, and
now being able to put Kyler in a position to succeed.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, they had a stinker last week off of BUYE,
but I still like their talent. I want to ask
you this, It is weird. You know, in baseball, the
big markets have an advantage. In the NFL, you have none.
There's an argument the Jets and Giants are the two
most dysfunctional franchises in the league. And it's the Green Bays,
the Buffaloes, the Baltimoores that are so well run. It's
the New York teams that are a mess. Right now,
(28:01):
you're the Jets.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
GM.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What is what? What is the first move a new
GM has to make with the Jets.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I mean, I think with some of you, when you
look at the talent on that roster you got, I
think you got to get back to basics. I think
you got to get a little younger. I think you
got to cut the court on a couple of those players.
You're not going to the super Bowl anymore with Darreon
Rodgers and Devonte Adams. You're just not. So I think
to me, it's it's it's it's reset, reset everything, get
back to basics, clean some cap room out and become healthy.
As a roster.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron, but you and I had
a discussion a while ago. You go back to us
last year in Green Bay. You can see him age.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah. Yeah. Listen, their father time is undefeated. All players'
skills diminish at some point in time, and generally they
have to know when they diminish. Sometimes it's good that
they do understand that because that puts them in a
better position to understand where their limitations are. But at
the same time, it's hard. When these guys play for
a long time. It's hard to hear that you that
you are diminishing from a skill set standpoint, and long
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story short, they don't have the supporting cast offensive to
get him in the good position.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So I want to talk about if you look at
the draft order today, there are two teams that we
know absolutely that are going to draft quarterbacks. We say
Raiders Giants. Now, Sam Darnold will be out there. I
don't know if you'd want to coming back to New York.
(29:23):
There'll be something else out there. So you look at
all these teams. Now, I think the Jags stay with
Trevor Lawrence. I think New England's got their guy. I
think Bryce Young may have bought himself another year. So
let's talk to college prospects. This is what you do
now for clutch sports. Yes, let's talk should Doer Sanders?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
What do you look at? Is a ten times ten
year GM that you like and what concerned you with
should do Sanders?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Well, let me say this first. I love all top
three quarterbacks in my opinion, Top three, arshadur cam Ord
and Jylen Milroe. Those the guys I have in that order.
I love all three either come in different flavors to me.
Shador is the most polished player. I think he's gonna
be the first pick in the draft. He has got
a great skill set. He understands coverage, he has great eyes, anticipation,
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all the things you look for in a franchise quarterback.
Obviously he's grown up with it with his dad, and
he's been coached well. I think he will be the
first pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Anything you worry about with him holds a.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Ball too long. He holds a ball too long, and
that's what some athletic quarterbacks tend to do. I mean,
even with Kyler early on in the process. He can
hold the ball too long because again their whole length,
They've been able to escape pressure. When all of a
sudden you get bigger and faster, you can't escape pressure anymore.
You got to play with your ears, your eyes, and
your instincts.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, let's go to cam Ward Love his arm.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
What do you see, gun Slinger. He has got the
best arm talent in this draft. I mean when I
talk about arm talent, Colin, he is off the charts,
big arm, great velocity. He throws the far hash to
the out numbers as good as anybody I've seen. That
ball is still rising when he throws it. He has
got tremendous velocity, accuracy in touch. I think he's going
to be the second quarterback taken. And when you watch
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his highlights here, I mean he puts on a show. Now,
there are some issues with decision making and some other
things that I've had.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
To it's a platform.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
He's a little off platform, and he can play with
outside the system at times and maybe not take some
of the checkdowns and some things yes and do. But
those slants, those those digs and those out routes he
throws as pretty as anybody.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Jalen mill Roll, here's what I like he's a he's
it looks like a better Anthony Richardson. He's not fluid, though, Steve,
He's a right mechanical yep is that? Where were you here?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Here?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Here's the uh what I would I like to say
when I hear that when we went back and re
evaluated players, thirty two teams missed on a guy named
Lamar Jackson. You can say that Baltimore Ravens hit on him. No,
they traded up to thirty two to get him, So
they picked a player before Lamar Jackson in the first round.
So thirty two missed on him. And I look back
at that, and I'm a humble, humble guy. As you
brought Jimmy Johnson on the said earlier, he cut me,
(31:51):
so it really humbled me coming here. But Lamar Jackson
was not a great pure passer coming out. He was
a tremendous athlete. There was a reason why he was
picked thirty two, and he has changed his game. Guys
can get a little more accurate, I think with mechanical work, footwork,
all those things. Coaching, great coaching, Jaln Milrose. Now that
being said to me, I see somewhere between Richardson and Lamar.
(32:11):
I don't think he's quite as polished as Lamar was
coming out. That being said, I think he's a better
player than Anthony Richardson, and he is so much more
explosive athletically than both both of those guys. I mean,
he is a low four three forty guy that can
extend plays with his feet. He's as big and strong,
as explosive as they come. And I think he's a
good enough passer right now to put you in it again.
(32:31):
Everybody's got to understand skmmatically what you're asking them to do,
and they've got to cater to his strengths. But he's
got a real chance.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I want to go back you and I tell you,
this is the stuff I love. I've always told people
if I ever didn't do this, I'm jealous of you.
I go to dinner with Steve for two reasons. He
picks up the check and I'm jealous of him.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Rich Paul picks up the check. Thank you, Rich.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Bo Nicks. Did you think he would be this good?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I would hate I'll have be lying if I said no.
I mean, there's no chance I would say this. I
loved the combination. As we know, when you put people together.
I loved him and Sean Payton, Okay, you did. I
think Sean Payton. I have three guys and I think
are the best play callers in the NFL and the
best coaches in the NFL. From that standpoint, Sean Payton's
obviously one of them. Tremendous play caller, great coach, demands
(33:19):
the best, holds players accountable, yes, and a guy like
him as a coach's son. He's done it all. He's
at the most starts in college football, and I thought
that he would be a guy that would really, really,
really flourish under Shawn's coaching.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, you told me that. Caleb Williams, where are you
at now? Your thoughts sort.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Of what I expected? Didn't love, you know. Cliff Kingsbury,
who I love to death and his close friend, went
in there, and I don't think that they took him
serious to hire him as an offensive coordinator. He's gone
on and floors somewhere else. I think they made a big, big,
big mistake by not hiring Cliff. I think you put
Caleb Williams in that situation and you see his natural
skill set and you see his potential, but you put
(33:56):
him with your wrong offensive coordinator, in the wrong system,
in the wrong culture, a mess, and the Chicago Bears
are going to go back to the drawing board and
hire a new coach.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
This all. Does Cliff want the Bears oc job?
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I think he would have loved it, but he was
That was the first job he interviewed for. Then he
went on to the Raiders and then the Red you know,
the Commanders. I almost said the wrong word, But Cliff
in a great place. Obviously, that kid that he's got
has done a tremendous job. And as a student of
the game.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
This quarterback class isn't seem great overall, the draft class
in the NFL. Many have said it's a little light
at the top. But you you just told me recently
that you have just been the last month. You are
just watching nothing but film. Is there a position group
you like? It's not a great quarterback draft. I'll throw it.
Is there another quarterback later in the draft? He makes
(34:43):
fun of me because I think Riley Leonard, if he
sat for two years, could be something. Do you do
we just have three draftable quarterbacks? Do you see anybody else? No?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Other's some guys. I mean, obviously the kid at Georgia
Carson back he is, he's sort of fallen Quinn yours,
you know, I think has some questions about him. Riley
Leonard is a guy that's you name him, Dave Pass
who works for ESPN. He was our play by play guy.
He called me last year when he was playing really
well for Duke. He said, is he you remind you of?
I said, from an athletic skill set standpoint, just he's long,
he's lanky, he can really run, and he's unpolished. Like
(35:14):
another guy named Ryan Tannehill when he came out of
Texas Hill. He came out of Texas A and M
as a former wide receiver who changed in due quarterback.
I think there's some similarities.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
There, Ryan Tannehill, Riley Ter you hear that j J
Max's been selling that guy stock day one.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
What do I know?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Finally, I watched last night. I think Jim Harball's ahead
of schedule. What was your takeaway? I don't think they're
as good as the Ravens. What was your takeaway last night?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Saying they're just not good enough? He hadn't had enough
drafts to put the personnel in place. From my standpoint,
Jim Harball has changed that culture already. They're ahead of
the curve. Everything you said about him last this year
when I heard you sort of beating the drum for
Jim Harball, you nailed it. He has set the tone
there and he has laid the foundation to me the
next step istom line, get no good players. Joe Ortiz GM,
(36:03):
former Baltimore Raven, a friend of mine, fantastic, does a
great job identifying talent, has the Baltimore Ravens way. They
just got beat by the team that he helped become better.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's right. It's do you miss the GM job? Because
you are GM in Clutch Sports football, so you don't
have a crazy owner. So it do you like the job?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
You know what? I don't know if I told you
this the other naight at dinner. This is my favorite
job I've ever had because I'm at a point in
my life where I have the chance to pay it forward.
So not only am I meeting a lot of young
talented players across the country that we're trying to sign
for Clutch Sports, I worked for Rich Paul, who is
amazing in every way. The guy is forward thinker, He's
(36:44):
a brilliant businessman and He's great to work with. And
then on top of that, I get to talk to
college kids and hopefully I can give them the answers
to the test, how to prepare for the combine, how
to prepare for being a professional and National Football League.
All those things are important and it's my time to
give back.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, good for you. Rich Paul has been good to
me through the years. And when Rich is mad at me,
calls me and tells me he's mad. I like authentic people,
and that's Rich Paul and Clutch Sports. Steve Khim former
NFL GM now with Clutch Sports. Great toe anybody, as always,
I'm picking it up next time, I promise, Or Fox
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