November 26, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin discusses the hypocrisy surrounding Lamar Jackson after a big win over the Chargers on Monday night
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, it is a busy Tuesday on a short week
for us. Nick Wright, Mark Sanchez stopping by today, among others,
heard Hierarchy on a Tuesday and one hour live in
Los Angeles, the home of Lamar Jackson dominating.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's the Herd. Wherever you may.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Be, Thanksgivings Thursday, however you may be watching us. Thanks
for making us part of your day. It's very interesting,
jama The Chargers had the number one defense in the league.
They were great one down, they were great on fourth down.
And something happened last night. Suddenly they faced a team
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that scored thirty points, was perfect on fourth down, was
fifty percent on third down. I mean, what in the
world happened to the Chargers last night?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Derek Henry happened. He's a tough man to tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He certainly is well It's also that pesky thing called hey,
Lamar Jackson's pretty good at quarterback. Now again, not a
terrible night for the Chargers. It's year one in the process.
They need themselves two or three Z A Flowers. But
this is about Baltimore and Lamar Jackson now ten and one.
He is last three years after a loss. Sixteen touchdowns,
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four picks in those games. He is relentless. He can
beat you over the top, he can beat you with
his legs, he can beat you underneath. You can't get
a hold of him. But yet at twenty seven years old.
By the way, mj didn't win a title until he
was twenty seven years old. But Lamar Jackson, whatever it is,
everybody wants to make definitive statements about Lamar Jackson at
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twenty seven. New rule when anybody in any career, it
can be comedy, screenwriting, tightrope walking, athletics.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
If anybody's great at.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Twenty seven, I'd scale back on the definitive statements. They're
gonna eventually break through. Yeah, Michael Jordan's first title twenty seven.
You want to know how many Super Bowls Drew Brees
and Peyton Manning had at twenty seven combined zero bagel,
not a nothing. Be careful. You can make definitive statements
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on a bust. Quintin Johnson can't catch. There's my definitive
statement for the Chargers first round receiver pick last year.
He can't catch consistently. But everybody's trying to define a
great twenty seven year old pro athlete. So that's the
first thing. His work ethic. He's the soul of the team.
I mean, you're wasting your breath. You can define people
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at twenty seven. If they don't have a work ethic,
they're not that talented, they don't have any career momentum.
He's not the guy you want to do that too.
The second part of this story is the Chargers will
probably look more like Baltimore in a couple of years.
Their step one of the process. But what has Baltimore done.
Baltimore's done what Buffalo's done. They keep adding elements to
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help their superstar quarterbacks. So we didn't have to be superman.
So a couple of years ago, you're like, you know,
they could really use some help at receiver. Zave Flowers.
Save Flowers is great. You can get him on a
drag route eight yard completion, thirty eight yard game. You
can get Zave Flowers over the top, and then they
add Derek Henry, who yet it's hard to bring down.
It's like James Cook and Dalton Kincaid for Josh Allen.
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You want to have a superstar quarterback, you don't want
him to have to do it by himself in every
big game. And by the way, when the Ravens went
for it on fourth and one at their own sixteen,
that is a tip of the captain, Lamar Jackson. You
don't do that with ninety percent of the quarterbacks in
this league. But if you got him a Homes, you
got a Josh Allen, you got a Joe Burrow, you
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got Lamar Jackson, maybe you got a Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Whoever.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You're always like, you know, if this doesn't work, it's
not like we can't score on the other end. That's
the confidence you have when you have one of these
five or six amazing quarterbacks. Let's just go for That
becomes the default answer a lot of the time. That's
why getting the quarterback is the most important thing in
this league. You can always be aggressive, you can always overcome,
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you can take bigger risks. You can't take a risks
with an average quarterback. I mean there's some quarterbacks in
this league. If they're down ten to nothing, game's over.
San Francisco falls behind seven none this weekend or ten not,
and you're like, with a.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Backup quarterback, game's over.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't even like brock perty down fourteen nothing, Lamar Jackson,
what do I care? What do I Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
what do I care?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So, you know, the Chargers they're gonna be fine, but
they were the little brother last night and the big
brother step three or four five in the process, and
they're looking for the payoff now next few years. Zave Flowers,
Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson. I felt like I was watching
the younger version of the Ravens, where you've got a
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hardball coaching a star quarterback and he just doesn't have
justin Herbert just doesn't have enough help yet he will.
Harbaugh is a good drafter. They need a couple Jay Flowers.
They could use maybe a Derreck Henry too, But here's
Lamar after.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I feel like for me, being a big brother is
like I can't lose to my little brother, you know,
And That's what I believe going into that game, he
was thinking a lot, you know. And then Jim on
the other side, I believe he was like, I gotta
get my I gotta beat my big brother. But he
came out victorious.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And by the way, here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I know you don't want to give Lamar a credit
because he didn't throw for four hundred yards, but remember
that the Ravens have now dropped thirty points on the
Bills Denver and the Chargers pretty good defenses. Well, Dereck
Henry when he was down in Tennessee Titans weren't dropping
thirty points on defenses like that. It starts with Lamar
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Jackson primetime Monday Night Football after a loss. I'll put
his numbers up for the TV audience. He's money and
just so we're clear here for all you Lamar haters,
just so we're clear, I want to get I want
to get this clear. So when the Ravens and Lamar
lose to the seven and two Steelers in the one
o'clock window, that's a huge game. But when they beat
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Harvaughn Herbert in primetime on Monday Night Football on the road,
that one doesn't count. Is that where we're at now,
I'm just struggling with a one o'clock window. I always
thought Primetime, Sunday night, Monday Night, I always thought those
were big games. Beating a harball, beating a star quarterback
always felt like a big game to me. Just just
trying to keep track. So yesterday, you know, I come
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on this show every day, America's Honesty Broker, and I
just try to give you the skinny, and I understand
that your fans and you and I already going to
disagree on stuff because you're very passionate about your teams.
You don't call me looking for me to care about
your team as much as I do, because I don't.
But yesterday I suggested, and apparently this was met with
outrage by San Francisco media and fans. I suggested, I
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think San Francisco needs the reboot.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There's this crazy thing about being five and seven in
your last twelve games, old, expensive and brittle. That apparently
was outrageous. So San Francisco fans have not yet accepted
a very harsh truth. How many great players do you
have in their prime? Okay, Philadelphia got a lot of
great players in their prime. Detroit's got a lot of
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great players in their prime. Last year was the last dance,
And there's a reason there's only been one documentary on
a sports team's last dance. It rarely turns out like
you think. So if you don't think, the bigger they are,
the harder they fall. In the NFL, let me give
you the Patriots who went from a twenty year dynasty
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to Jenga in two years. Crap all over the floor. Well,
the Dallas Cowboys twelve wins, twelve wins, twelve wins, two
What the hell am I watching?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
San Francisco? You should know better?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Nineteen ninety nine after Montana and Steve Young, Steve Young
gets hurt nineteen ninety nine. Next twelve years, made the
playoffs two times. This is a sport where people are
tackling each other, big strong men are tackling each other.
Stuff falls apart fast. Seahawks dynasty here it never was,
this is gonna be two years. So psychologically, the Niners
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have never ever been able to hoist a trophy. And
so how the Niners view themselves and how the rest
of us view the Niners are two different things. Here's
how the rest of US view the Niners. The Kansas
City Chiefs toy with you. Under Kyle Shannon. They're five
and zero against you, four blowouts. You're not close to
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sand San Francisco. You're not close to Kansas City, Oh
to five, four double digit losses. They're getting better. You're
getting old and worse than expensive. They keep rebuilding the
old line, rebuilding a receiving court. Andy Reid, Mahomes and
his prime. You got Brock Purdy and an old, expensive,
brittle roster.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's not close. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Baltimore and Buffalo have superstar quarterbacks, so they still have
a shot. And many of their best players in Baltimore
and Buffalo are in their prime. But Brock Purdy in
an aging roster, does that sound like you're on the
precipice of a nine year run? And I look at
that schedule this morning. You can blame whoever you want.
You can go kicking and screaming. I'm looking at that
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remaining schedule at Buffalo this week, Rams, at Miami, Detroit,
at Arizona. Chicago's no layup, not the way Caleb Williams
is playing. So how you view yourself is not how
everybody else views the Niners. I view you as zero
to five against Kansas City. You've had three coordinators in
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three years. They have the best coordinator and the best
head coach and the best quarterback. And you have Brock Purty,
a coach that's good but blows late leads in big games.
And you're on your third coordinator, and none of those
in four or five games can come close to Kansas City.
Every time they play it, same result. Kind of ugly.
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That's how the rest of us view it. Big brand,
a lot of wins, but this league, you crash hard.
You crash hard. It's not like NBA. Michael's great, he
leaves for a couple of years, Michael comes back, they
have another dynasty now that it doesn't not like that.
It's like the Seattle Seahawks get to a Super Bowl,
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then another, then Sea. It's the New England Patriots, twenty
years of dominance to a Jenga piece on the floor
around twenty other Jenga pieces. Defensive coordinator gets hired as
an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's Dallas. They are this close to apparently fourth place.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's the league. Kyle Shanahan on the current state of
the Niners.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
You're one game out of first in your own division.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So that does say a lot, you know, especially being
to play two of those teams left the first six games.
But you also know you look at the whole NFC picture,
and if you don't win the division, it's you know,
it's ten and seven is not guaranteed to get in
as wildcard by any means this year. So I think
everyone understands completely outside and inside what the situation is.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
By the way, brought pretty light throwing yesterday. A bit
of a mysterious shoulder issue. Nobody's quite sure what it is.
But they're a touchdown underdog. It's going to be cold
out in Buffalo. Well, they're flying cross country. This is
the best Bills team in the Josh Allen era. You're
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staring at five and five and seven, and that would
be five and eight in your last thirteen games. And
I'm the crazy one. I'm I'm the one that doesn't
know what he's talking about. All right, Fine, I'll just
take it again. Show up every day. Dart board, a
verbal dart board from fans. It's unfortunate. J mc nick right,
in one hour, hurt hierarchy in one hour. I looked
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at the lines this weekend. Boy, that Detroit Chicago game tasty.
I'm just saying when I look at Detroit, so I'm
doing the hurt hierarchy. I don't remember the last team
that literally physically dominated other teams like Detroit. So America
right on Sundays, America watches their favorite teams. Thursday you
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get to watch the Lions. You get to see what
you know people like you and I have to watch
all these games. I was thinking this morning driving in
America's five going to get a first look. Everybody collectively
is going to watch Detroit against the talented Chicago team,
and everybody's finally gonna go Yeah, Kansas City's not that good,
Buffalo is not that good, Baltimore's good, They're not that good.
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Philadelphia's close, but probably not that good.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
You don't think everybody watched them beat the Titans fifty
two to fourteen or the Jags fifty two to six.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
They weren't tuned in for those.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, the NFL is kind of a regional league in
a lot of the big cities, So I'm interested to
see everybody's interpretation of Detroit.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It is funny. Last year on Thanksgiving, if memory serves
me correctly. Didn't Green Bay or something go into Detroit
and play and just play like their game.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
That was like the Jordan Loves shit.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, it was this performance by Jordan Love. We were
all like, what in the world are we watching? So
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
By the way, who's the best quarterback in the Thanksgiving
night game? Tu or Jordan Love? Take your time on
this one, because I know you love one guy.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well, I'm more of a Jordan Love fan. I'm aware.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But this season, by.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The way, everybody's saying the Thanksgiving games aren't good. I
think Miami. I just looked at the weather this morning.
It's it's gonna be cold. It's gonna be twenty nine
degrees and it's not snowing. It's not windy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, let's keep an eye on that wind chill.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's gonna be free. I think Miami at
Green Bay is a great game.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
It's certainly better than Cooper Rush versus Drew Lock. It
sounds like Drew Lock could get the start. If you
don't got dinged.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Up, I don't know, very exciting.
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Speaker 1 (14:34):
So as we all know, or at least everybody should know,
success is not a straight line. It is a process.
I've been in this business a long time. I've seen
a lot of shows start and everybody judges a show
after two weeks, like, take a deep breath. Take the
Detroit Lions. We look at them and they're like, man,
that team is well run. Now they have done everything right.
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Yet year four they went three, thirteen and one, nine,
twelve and five, and now they're ten and one and
they've done virtually everything right. Steve Sarkesian in college, he's
one of the great recruiters, five and seven, eight and five,
twelve and two, made the college Football Playoff, and now
finally at Texas, huge brand where you can just get
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twenty five first round picks every year. Now they're ten
and one and number three in the country. That's what Texas,
that's what doing everything right in Detroit, that's what success is.
And successful people know that. So Harbaugh doesn't let any
of the criticism get to him. But Jim Harbaugh's in time.
Remember all these idiots that were banging on him at
Michigan because he couldn't beat Ohio State. You don't take
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over Brady Hoape's program and on one or two recruiting classes,
beat Alabama, Georgia, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
State, maybe Purdue.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You can clean the kitchen up, but you still got
the driveway, the roof. And so here's what happens with
Jim Harbor. Everywhere he goes in turns garbage into a
pretty nice situation. Not Super Bowl nice, not winning Natty nice.
But he makes you good, He gets he know, he
patches the holes in the boat and makes you as
good as you can possibly be. And then he becomes
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a victim of himself. All these people banging on him
at Michigan. He's trying to beat Ohio State, arguably the
second best program in the country in my life, and
building a Super Bowl team is hard. You can watch
the Chargers last night. They're very good on script in
the first half, offensively and defensively. Why because that's coaching,
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Jesse mentoring Jim harbll second half comes down to players.
You ever noticed this with Philadelphia? Philadelphia is okay in
the first half against the Rams. McVeigh first half keeps
it close coaching. But when you go off script and
it's Mona momano guy versus guy who's got better dudes,
Philadelphia rolls them second half, Baltimore rolls them. Chargers need
to shore up their interior line. They need two or
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three more playmakers, probably need another great corner, and then
they can beat Baltimore or Detroit, or Philly or Kansas City.
So it's just this idea everybody else is trying to
and you're not the only smart person in any business
you're in. It's hard to win elections, it's hard to
win football games when you're going up against Andy Reid
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and your brother John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I thought last night, I don't think all losses
in the NFL are bad losses. I thought the Bears
losing the Minnesota this weekend, I was like, that's a
good loss. That was a very encouraging loss, because Minnesota's good.
I thought the Chargers last night, when it was on script,
they could keep the game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
In front of them.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But over the course of time, Lamar Jackson, Henry's A Flowers,
Mark Andrews, Kyle Hamilton, and just like they got layers
and layers of dudes, and guys, and they've been building
this puppy in Baltimore forever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Here's Jim.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
After we know what kind of team we are and
what we're capable of and regroup, and as I said
a couple of times, yeah, that's more importantly to me
is I know we're building and and I know we're
capable of and onward.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
My brother Jim best coach in the National Football League
when he's done with that team, and how hard they playing,
what they did, and these are these are just huge battles,
huge battles every week in this league.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So the Chargers this year, they would they would have
lost to Cincinnati a few weeks ago. Right, they're six
and oh, Jim Harbosch Chargers six and oh against losing teams.
So they're beating the teams they're supposed to. They couldn't
do that last year. And they're one and four against
winning teams. Why because the winning teams have years and
years to build it. So like they, oh they lose
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to Kansas City, right, or they lose to Pittsburgh and
Mike Tomlin's culture and oh, well, what do you know,
they they lose to Baltimore. They're winning the games they
should be winning, and now that Justin Herbert is healthy
and he wasn't in the first month, so you're not
quite sure what they are. But they'll win the games
they should. They're not Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City,
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They're not. I do think they match up with Kansas
City really well. I think those games will be interesting.
I think they're a step ahead of Denver, who's good,
but Denver doesn't have as in my opinion, as many.
They don't have Jim, they don't have Justin Herbert, they
have bow Knicks, who's a rookie. So Sean Payton's going
through this process, Sean Payton. Next year they'll be better.
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Sean Payton will have less of Russell Wilson's cap hit
to worry about. Bo Nicks's second year. Another six to
seven draft picks, one or two more free agent signings,
just a process.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
They'll start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Colin season has not
gone great yet for Zach Taylor and company. They have
a huge game this weekend against Pittsburgh, which is basically
their season. Well, Zach Taylor, the genius, says, decided to
put ping pong tables in the locker room, hoping that
it fosters team building activities and competitiveness.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Okay, you just want guys interact and and you know,
so that's one way to do it. I'm not overthinking
it too much, but it's a way to create some
energy and get guys up and active. You know, it's
it's December football now, and need everyone to be at
their best, need everyone to have energy when they walk
in the building. That creates some competitiveness. It's about all
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there is to it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it would really help if the owner would build
an outdoor practice facility and would pay Jamar Chase and
T Higgins. For the record, I was watching The Charger
last night and I thought of your suggestion. They if
you took Quinton Johnson and replaced him with T Higgins,
You're like, it's a different team, and then you get
one more Ladd McConkie. Then in year two T Higgins,
now you're like, Okay, now that's something I was so.
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I was thinking of you last night. But I think
I feel bad for Joe Burrow and I feel bad
for Zach Taylor. Because I think Zach's a good coach.
I think there's just limitations to what a Cincinnati head
coach can do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
TJ. Hushman Zada came on this year show. Years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He played for very wealth b Seattle and very well
run Baltimore and Cincinnati, And when you compared the three situations, TJ.
Hushman Zada, very honest guy, was like, it's like college
compared to pro football operations.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, they explored for ping pong tables, which is nice.
Those are expensive. By the way, do you are you
a ping pong guy?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I used to be.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
So.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
I lobby this staff for a ping pong table to
foster community and competitiveness. I honestly did that in the
first year. You can ask Kyle Music all these guys. Also,
I would wipe the floor with most people. I'm very
good at ping pong. Yeah, but Colin, this is late
in the season. A ping pong table, real, that's gonna
like turn things around? Are they that desperate?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
How desperate's that tailor?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
As? No, you guys on this staff have been telling
me Cincinnati is gonna make a run, and I've been
telling you for the last month.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
They're they're just not good enough. They don't.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I mean they have like four players I love, and
you can have the rest of the roster.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Are you seeing what's happening with his market for Bengals Steelers?
Look at lot's on the screen. The Bengals, the lonely Bengals.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
Are three point favorites at home against Russell Wilson and
your guy, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I like Pittsburgh. Oh do you? Okay? Good luck?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
You gotta take them in the blazon five. By the way,
are you doing a blazing now?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I don't. Not on Thanksgiving? I never do so.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Now we're out week one and out Thanksgiving. Okay, you
sure you want to keep doing this thing? All right,
let's go to Dak Prescott and the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
So Dak got a new contract at the start of
the year, right, Ceedee Lamb also got a new contract.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Colin Mike McCarthy, the head coach, did not.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Jerry Jones was asked about the possibility McCarthy could get extended.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Take a listen to the owner's answer.
Speaker 12 (22:45):
Don't think that's crazy, did at all? That's not crazy
that Mike McCarthy has been there, done that. So bottom
line is that they had no place in my body
language or anything else. Have you saying indications about what
going to be doing a relative to this staff at
the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, that's Belichick's second choice. Just can I just throw
this out to you?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
What's his first New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Belichick? Belichick loves the New York Giants. It's in his heart.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I mean, Bill Belichick doesn't cry a lot on camera.
You get him going through the halls of the New
York Giants, Bill Belichick gets all. Bill Belichick deeply cares
about the New York Giants if.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
They crying about the lack of talent in the building
or what was he crying about.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Just just I'm saying is I would retain Brian Dabole.
But I'm just telling you Dallas is Belichick's second choice
because he and Jerry get along.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I want to know, I mean Jerry get along.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
How do you think Belichick would handle the owner doing
like five in radio interviews a week and causing a
firestorm in a dusto And then every time Belichick goes
to the podium, Hey, well your owner said this on
the radio yesterday.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think that's baked in. I think you just know,
you get a little you get a little crazy. With Jerry,
I think that's baked into it. You're also the coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. I think there's reasons I wouldn't
want the job personally, but I think that's Belichick's second choice.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Have you ever actively sought out a job where the big,
big boss is crazy and you know it well?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know I don't get offered those big jobs, but
if I did, I would consider not calling.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
This insane.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
All right, final story is, let's go to the dumpster
fire in the NFC East, not New York Giants. So
Malik Neighbors called the team out after the game after
the loss.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Of the Buccaneers. It was just a great clip.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Neighbors was smacking his gum visibly upset, complained about not
getting the ball the entire first half. Said go ask
Brian dabs Well. Head coach Brian Dables said he talked
to the rookie after the outburst.
Speaker 13 (24:40):
He's very competitive individual. You want to get the ball
in his hands, and I got to do a better
job of getting the ball in his hands early. He's
a smart young guy that's very competitive. Pat And again,
when you lose like that. It's a frustrating thing. But
we've had good communication, as we always have.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I'll say it again, there's a lot of pieces here.
They just need a quarterback. They're gonna get. They're gonna get.
Can I throw it out there what I think is
gonna happen? Go for it, cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
To the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, all right, so this is funny.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I was, you know, I go through these box scores
because I'm a loser. So zero targets for day Neighbors
in the first half. Yeah, okay, So the second half,
something happened at halftime.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
In the locker room.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Something went out.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
The very first play, Tommy DeVito to Melik Neighbors for
twenty one yards. The second play, you want to guess,
we targeted again, Malik Neighbors. You the third play, this
is right after halftime, Neighbors, Neighbors, Neighbors.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I'm guaranteeing you something.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Went down in Melik Neighbors, probably yelling why the hell
am I not getting the ball?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I told you I got five past attempts. I'm gonna
defend Molik Neighbors. Their offense was better when they targeted
their best offensive player.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So now asked the head coach, why didn't you do
that once in the first half? Brian, are you a
play caller or are you a head coach? I mean
that's a legitimate question.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
How do you not target it once in the half?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Colin?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And then we forgot about my league neighbors. Let me
just force feed him on this first drive.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
To keep it happy.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think there's a lot of things going on with
the Giants. There's a lot of noise, and I don't
think it was their best effort. But again, remember everybody
in New York, all the genius media types in New
York lectured us on Robert Solo was the problem. The
defense got worse, the offense got worse. This team was
competitive before Robert saw all the media know it alls
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in New York. Sola's the problem. No, he was the
best coach in that city. Arguably, he was the best
football coach in that city. Brian Dable and him. Okay,
so now all of a sudden, it's Brian Dable. You
know what do they say, lawyers, when you have when
you have the facts, you pound the facts. When you don't,
you just pound on the table A lot of table
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pounders in New York that don't really either know or
care to know that Brian Davils were a good coach.
Ownership bad GM scouts have missed on a lot of
players the Ghettleman hangover, but everybody had.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Robert Sola was a bum.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Nah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
He was the only legitimate big time coach on the staff.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I don't want to go too deep into this, but Colin,
you keep saying he's a good coach.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Let's back up. How define for me a good.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Coach winning a playoff game with Daniel Jones? It's more
than that. Well, I mean, that's something that I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Talking about, Like Jim Harball is like a boiler plate.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Hey man, you need to have an offensive philosophy and
you need to instill it in.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Your Justin, Herbert's been in this league a long time
and he's excellent. No playoff wins. Daniel Jones is a
playoff win. So, by the way, that's the difference. A
great quarterback didn't have a playoff win, a guy that
just got they played them at safety week ago has one.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm just saying, like, so.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Brian Dabele's been there several years now, Colin, what are
the New York Giants?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What is there?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What is their philosophy?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Sat, You're blaming him. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Blaming, I'm asking. I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Their philosophy is, well, it was run the football, play
action for Daniel, but the GM thought Sakuan Barkley was not.
I'm not paying a running back twelve million a year.
That was the philosophy. And then the GM traded the
philosophy away. I mean that the GM traded the or move.
They'll let the let the guy walk across the street,
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didn't trade him. So they had a philosophy, and the
GM let the philosophy walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
What do you want to say?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I guess that that goes back to like, listen, you
got to get the GM and the coach on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
If the Raiders decided tomorrow the GM said I'm getting
rid of Max Crosby, and you're like, you know, Antonio
Pierce's defense isn't as good. Well, their identity is they
play hard and the best player on their team is
Max Crosby. So if the GM lets him go, you
let the identity walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Don't blame coach. That's my take.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
I mean, I just don't understand how if Davil's the
coach and his philosophy is play action and Saquon Barkley,
the GM's gonna be like, eh, we don't need Saque
Like that means the coach in the GM are not
on the same pace. Somebody got to go call it.
It's not working.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Would you agree with that? Oh, I've said I would
get rid of the GM. Yeah. Jmckle the news, Well
that's the.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
News, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
There's a couple of things here. Oh. SEC fans are
freaking out.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They puffed their chest out we are the best conference,
and then the minute they cannibalize each other.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
They want to be a victim.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But if Georgia loses in the SEC Championship in two weeks,
you can't let Georgia in the playoff with three losses.
I'll talk about that. Heard hierarchy, Nick right. A lot
of good stuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter not a Join.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Us Thanksgiving Day on Fox as CD Lamb and the
Cowboys take on rookie Sensation Mummy Davers and the Giants.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
He actually kicks off at four eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So the College Football Playoff rankings come out tonight and
SEC fans are getting very nervous. Now, a little backstory.
When the SEC shocked the world and stole Texas and
Oklahoma from the Big Twelve, they puffed their chest. This
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year is the result of it. Alabama being humiliated by Oklahoma.
Texas clearly the best team in the conference beginning of
season to now. So SEC fans say, well, well, well,
here's the truth. If Georgia, with two losses in two weeks,
loses the SEC championship game, I don't believe they should
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get in. But our schedule, Oh, let's let's let me
look up Georgia's schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, let me let me look this up. Let me
see us on that schedule.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Oh, Tennessee Tech and Massachusetts. That's what I see. Uh
you really think Alabama? You want you want credit for
that Alabama game you lost?
Speaker 12 (31:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I watched them against former Big twelve tough guy Oklahoma humiliated.
But but but but Georgia would beat Yes, the playoff
was created to get rid of that argument, and I
think The playoff is great because it gives everybody a mulligan.
Bama loses to Vandy, you get a mulligan. You don't
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get two and three mulligans. You can't get beat by
Vandy and then get humiliated. If you're Alabama by Oklahoma,
you're done. And Georgie's got two losses, you don't get three.
But but we would beat. The regular season has to
mean something, and it's already been reduced because of the playoff.
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When Georgia beat Texas, it didn't ruin Texas's season. My
first take was, well, if they meet again, what an
advantage for the Longhorns. So we've already reduced the impact
to some degree of the regular season, though it's still good.
You don't want to reduce all of it. It's got
to mean something, and we know this in pro football.
Sometimes a team can win a division. They're seven to
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nine and it's a bad division, and there's a team
that can have ten wins that don't make the playoffs.
That's why you have a regular season. So you don't
get three losses. It doesn't work that way. But but
we would beat Well, you had those breathers against Tennessee Tech,
and Panera Bread and Roast Beef State, and you got
some layups getting ready for those games. And so I
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don't have a lot of pity you go, U SEC
team schedule these ridiculous you know, out of conference games
that no other conference plays teams that bad that regularly.
But but but we have this, this, this, you're not
that good. Georgie's offense stinks, Alabama's offense sometimes stinks. Ole
Miss can't beat Florida. I mean, all these college teams
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in the SEC going on the road and melting against
average teams.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
That's you problem.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I'll give you. I'll give you a mulligan. But
the regular season has to mean something. And the SEC
is they were stealing Texas and Oklahoma from the Big twelve.
All they were doing was puffing out their chest. Well,
this is the result of it. It's like when your
company merges with another company and you're like, look how
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big our company is. Don't be shocked if they keep
that management team and get rid of your management team.
That's the downside to a merger. And when you take
Texas and Oklahoma instead of getting Middle Tennessee Tech in
week ten, you have to go to Norman Oklahoma and
get your forehead whacked. That's the way it is. So
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sorry for that, but you bragged about it. Now. I
don't want to hear you're a victim of it, because
this was going to make you the strongest conference and
now instead of getting that breather, now you got to
go to Austin or you got to go to Norman.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
How'd that work out? Alabama?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You weren't even competitive eight minutes in. Not competitive. So
I'm not losing any sleep over that. And I think
the SEC is the best conference. But I'm going to
take a one lost Indiana team over a three lost
Georgia team because the regular season has to mean something.
Something doesn't have to mean everything. It's going to mean
something in the NFL. It's not everything, but he gets
you into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That means something.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, Nick Wright heard hierarchy top of Next Hour, so
I think this is interesting. So you know, on this show,
I like Tua. I would not have paid him mid
fifty million, but you know, listen, Miami could not move
the football without him, couldn't get first downs without him.
So Tua never looked more valuable than when.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He was hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
When he was gone, You're like, yeah, they need him,
and two is good. We're not denying that two is good.
Fifty five million good, we'll see. But brock Perty did
some light throwing Monday without an issue. So it's been
a very mysterious shoulder issue. So the good news he
plays at Buffalo in nineteen degrees this weekend. I'm sure
it'll be all fine. The brock Pretty injury is weird though,
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because he had two MRIs and they couldn't find anything.
And here's what's funny is that I think San Francisco
fans think they have an answer at quarterback, and I
actually think they have a dilemma at quarterback. So we
look at Tua's contract at fifty three million and come
and that's like fourth or fifth in the league, but
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within a couple of years it'll be like tenth or twelveth.
So it is not unrealistic for a Pro Bowl quarterback
whose team can't score without him. But is Tua not
a better version of Rock Party? I mean, they're both
six one, two twenty, they both have multiple injuries in
the NFL, neither has a great arm. Both have a
great offensive coach, same system with great weapons that elevate
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them at six ' one, they're at less. But there's
no wow there athletically. I mean Tua struggles in cold weather.
I saw brock Purty playing the rain in Cleveland. He
had ball security issues. So here's the thing. If Tua
is a more talented version than brock Purty, and I
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think that's true, and you're paying Tua fifty three large,
what are you gonna pay rock Purty? You think thirty
four it's not gonna work. You know how contracts work.
You look at other companies, you look at other talent,
you look at other quarterbacks, and you go, well, relative
to the market, here's what he has to get paid.
Rock Purty's Agent's not letting them sign for thirty four million.
So I mean, to me, here is absolutely, definitively what
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brock Purty is better than Jimmy Garoppolo. So my question
is is that the standard better than Jimmy Garoppolo, healthier,
usually more mobile, always that's what he is. So it's
interesting we really criticize Tua, but this is an organization
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in Miami that could not score without him.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
They couldn't compete. Now they're pammering people.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So Tua's got real value. When at fifty three million,
myself included, I was like, eh, I'm not comfortable with
that given his concussion stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Well you gonna pay Party. You're not. You're not getting
thirty four million.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And I think Tua is a better vision, a better
version of Brock Party. So I think that is. I
think Brock Purty could be a franchise quarterback. But remember,
you're gonna have to pay him fifty million. You got
to get rid of some guys, and not like just
one guy, not just like Debo. You're gonna have to
get rid of multiple guys as you're really rebuilding your
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O and D lines because the Niners can keep drafting quarterbacks.
The Niners O line has to get better, and the
Niners D line outside of Bosa has to get better.
That's what they have to attack. They don't need any
more wide receivers, not to mention, their special teams are
a mass. They may have to spend money in that department.
So I'm just saying, here's Kyle Shanahan, it's just been
a weird injury. Nobody's quite sure. A couple of MRIs.
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Here is Shanahan update on Brock pretty shoulder.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
We don't push that hard, but it's a light throwing,
which is a good sign that the pain had to
come back. And we'll right to tomorrow and see how
he feels it the week oo. I mean most guys
get We always get one on the one. When you
get one and yet it seems all right, then you
have some pain later in the week, so you get
another one to make sure he ended to anything, and
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so that that he did. I think after the Thursday practice, well.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
They're not going to Buffalo and win in the without
brock Purty, so he is their only shot. I think
Buffalo is playing really good football. I think what you've
noticed if you look at the AFC and the NFC
playoff standings, now you're getting the separation. There's very few
teams with a great quarterback that are aren't viable. Cincinnati
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with a terrible defense doesn't feel terribly viable to me
now that they go on a five game winning streak.
I could be wrong, certainly possible favored over the very
good Pittsburgh Steelers, but it does feel like now you're
getting kind of a sense is the best coaching the
best quarterbacks. I mean, in fact, I could make an
argument the Chargers are the best team in the league
with no shot to win a Super Bowl. Of the
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five or six teams we think could get to a
Super Bowl, the Chargers are the best team in the league.
Of the teams that can't get there, maybe Pittsburgh, Maybe Pittsburgh.
Jmack thinks Cincinnati, maybe the Chargers, But I don't think
the Steelers are Chargers can get there, or Cincinnati, but
I think they're good, right. They all have their moments,
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all right. Hurt hierarchy Nick Wright on a Tuesday Around
the Corner live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Be, Thanksgivings Thursday, however you may be watching us. Thanks
for making us part of your day. It's very interesting,
jama The Chargers had the number one defense in the league.
They were great one down, they were great on fourth down.
And something happened last night. Suddenly they faced a team
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that scored thirty points, was perfect on fourth down, was
fifty percent on third down. I mean, what in the
world happened to the Chargers last night?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Derek Henry happened. He's a tough man to tackle.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He certainly is well It's also that pesky thing called hey,
Lamar Jackson's pretty good at quarterback. Now again, not a
terrible night for the Chargers. It's year one in the process.
They need themselves two or three Z A Flowers. But
this is about Baltimore and Lamar Jackson now ten and one.
He is last three years after a loss. Sixteen touchdowns,
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four picks in those games. He is relentless. He can
beat you over the top, he can beat you with
his legs, he can beat you underneath. You can't get
a hold of him. But yet at twenty seven years old.
By the way, mj didn't win a title until he
was twenty seven years old. But Lamar Jackson, whatever it is,
everybody wants to make definitive statements about Lamar Jackson at
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twenty seven. New rule when anybody in any career, it
can be comedy, screenwriting, tightrope walking, athletics.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
If anybody's great at.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Twenty seven, I'd scale back on the definitive statements. They're
gonna eventually break through. Yeah, Michael Jordan's first title twenty seven.
You want to know how many Super Bowls Drew Brees
and Peyton Manning had at twenty seven combined zero bagel,
not a nothing. Be careful. You can make definitive statements
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on a bust. Quintin Johnson can't catch. There's my definitive
statement for the Chargers first round receiver pick last year.
He can't catch consistently. But everybody's trying to define a
great twenty seven year old pro athlete. So that's the
first thing. His work ethic. He's the soul of the team.
I mean, you're wasting your breath. You can define people
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at twenty seven. If they don't have a work ethic,
they're not that talented, they don't have any career momentum.
He's not the guy you want to do that too.
The second part of this story is the Chargers will
probably look more like Baltimore in a couple of years.
Their step one of the process. But what has Baltimore done.
Baltimore's done what Buffalo's done. They keep adding elements to
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help their superstar quarterbacks. So we didn't have to be superman.
So a couple of years ago, you're like, you know,
they could really use some help at receiver. Zave Flowers.
Save Flowers is great. You can get him on a
drag route eight yard completion, thirty eight yard game. You
can get Zave Flowers over the top, and then they
add Derek Henry, who yet it's hard to bring down.
It's like James Cook and Dalton Kincaid for Josh Allen.
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You want to have a superstar quarterback, you don't want
him to have to do it by himself in every
big game. And by the way, when the Ravens went
for it on fourth and one at their own sixteen,
that is a tip of the captain, Lamar Jackson. You
don't do that with ninety percent of the quarterbacks in
this league. But if you got him a Homes, you
got a Josh Allen, you got a Joe Burrow, you
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got Lamar Jackson, maybe you got a Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Whoever.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You're always like, you know, if this doesn't work, it's
not like we can't score on the other end. That's
the confidence you have when you have one of these
five or six amazing quarterbacks. Let's just go for That
becomes the default answer a lot of the time. That's
why getting the quarterback is the most important thing in
this league. You can always be aggressive, you can always overcome,
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you can take bigger risks. You can't take a risks
with an average quarterback. I mean there's some quarterbacks in
this league. If they're down ten to nothing, game's over.
San Francisco falls behind seven none this weekend or ten not,
and you're like, with a.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Backup quarterback, game's over.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't even like brock perty down fourteen nothing, Lamar Jackson,
what do I care? What do I Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,
what do I care?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So, you know, the Chargers they're gonna be fine, but
they were the little brother last night and the big
brother step three or four five in the process, and
they're looking for the payoff now next few years. Zave Flowers,
Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson. I felt like I was watching
the younger version of the Ravens, where you've got a
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hardball coaching a star quarterback and he just doesn't have
justin Herbert just doesn't have enough help yet he will.
Harbaugh is a good drafter. They need a couple Jay Flowers.
They could use maybe a Derreck Henry too, But here's
Lamar after.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I feel like for me, being a big brother is
like I can't lose to my little brother, you know,
And That's what I believe going into that game, he
was thinking a lot, you know. And then Jim on
the other side, I believe he was like, I gotta
get my I gotta beat my big brother. But he
came out victorious.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And by the way, here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I know you don't want to give Lamar a credit
because he didn't throw for four hundred yards, but remember
that the Ravens have now dropped thirty points on the
Bills Denver and the Chargers pretty good defenses. Well, Dereck
Henry when he was down in Tennessee Titans weren't dropping
thirty points on defenses like that. It starts with Lamar
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Jackson primetime Monday Night Football after a loss. I'll put
his numbers up for the TV audience. He's money and
just so we're clear here for all you Lamar haters,
just so we're clear, I want to get I want
to get this clear. So when the Ravens and Lamar
lose to the seven and two Steelers in the one
o'clock window, that's a huge game. But when they beat
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Harvaughn Herbert in primetime on Monday Night Football on the road,
that one doesn't count. Is that where we're at now,
I'm just struggling with a one o'clock window. I always
thought Primetime, Sunday night, Monday Night, I always thought those
were big games. Beating a harball, beating a star quarterback
always felt like a big game to me. Just just
trying to keep track. So yesterday, you know, I come
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on this show every day, America's Honesty Broker, and I
just try to give you the skinny, and I understand
that your fans and you and I already going to
disagree on stuff because you're very passionate about your teams.
You don't call me looking for me to care about
your team as much as I do, because I don't.
But yesterday I suggested, and apparently this was met with
outrage by San Francisco media and fans. I suggested, I
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think San Francisco needs the reboot.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
There's this crazy thing about being five and seven in
your last twelve games, old, expensive and brittle. That apparently
was outrageous. So San Francisco fans have not yet accepted
a very harsh truth. How many great players do you
have in their prime? Okay, Philadelphia got a lot of
great players in their prime. Detroit's got a lot of
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great players in their prime. Last year was the last dance,
And there's a reason there's only been one documentary on
a sports team's last dance. It rarely turns out like
you think. So if you don't think, the bigger they are,
the harder they fall. In the NFL, let me give
you the Patriots who went from a twenty year dynasty
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to Jenga in two years. Crap all over the floor. Well,
the Dallas Cowboys twelve wins, twelve wins, twelve wins, two
What the hell am I watching?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
San Francisco? You should know better?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Nineteen ninety nine after Montana and Steve Young, Steve Young
gets hurt nineteen ninety nine. Next twelve years, made the
playoffs two times. This is a sport where people are
tackling each other, big strong men are tackling each other.
Stuff falls apart fast. Seahawks dynasty here it never was,
this is gonna be two years. So psychologically, the Niners
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have never ever been able to hoist a trophy. And
so how the Niners view themselves and how the rest
of us view the Niners are two different things. Here's
how the rest of US view the Niners. The Kansas
City Chiefs toy with you. Under Kyle Shannon. They're five
and zero against you, four blowouts. You're not close to
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sand San Francisco. You're not close to Kansas City, Oh
to five, four double digit losses. They're getting better. You're
getting old and worse than expensive. They keep rebuilding the
old line, rebuilding a receiving court. Andy Reid, Mahomes and
his prime. You got Brock Purdy and an old, expensive,
brittle roster.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's not close. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Baltimore and Buffalo have superstar quarterbacks, so they still have
a shot. And many of their best players in Baltimore
and Buffalo are in their prime. But Brock Purdy in
an aging roster, does that sound like you're on the
precipice of a nine year run? And I look at
that schedule this morning. You can blame whoever you want.
You can go kicking and screaming. I'm looking at that
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remaining schedule at Buffalo this week, Rams, at Miami, Detroit,
at Arizona. Chicago's no layup, not the way Caleb Williams
is playing. So how you view yourself is not how
everybody else views the Niners. I view you as zero
to five against Kansas City. You've had three coordinators in
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three years. They have the best coordinator and the best
head coach and the best quarterback. And you have Brock Purty,
a coach that's good but blows late leads in big games.
And you're on your third coordinator, and none of those
in four or five games can come close to Kansas City.
Every time they play it, same result. Kind of ugly.
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That's how the rest of us view it. Big brand,
a lot of wins, but this league, you crash hard.
You crash hard. It's not like NBA. Michael's great, he
leaves for a couple of years, Michael comes back, they
have another dynasty now that it doesn't not like that.
It's like the Seattle Seahawks get to a Super Bowl,
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then another, then Sea. It's the New England Patriots, twenty
years of dominance to a Jenga piece on the floor
around twenty other Jenga pieces. Defensive coordinator gets hired as
an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's Dallas. They are this close to apparently fourth place.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's the league. Kyle Shanahan on the current state of
the Niners.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
You're one game out of first in your own division.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So that does say a lot, you know, especially being
to play two of those teams left the first six games.
But you also know you look at the whole NFC picture,
and if you don't win the division, it's you know,
it's ten and seven is not guaranteed to get in
as wildcard by any means this year. So I think
everyone understands completely outside and inside what the situation is.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
By the way, brought pretty light throwing yesterday. A bit
of a mysterious shoulder issue. Nobody's quite sure what it is.
But they're a touchdown underdog. It's going to be cold
out in Buffalo. Well, they're flying cross country. This is
the best Bills team in the Josh Allen era. You're
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staring at five and five and seven, and that would
be five and eight in your last thirteen games. And
I'm the crazy one. I'm I'm the one that doesn't
know what he's talking about. All right, Fine, I'll just
take it again. Show up every day. Dart board, a
verbal dart board from fans. It's unfortunate. J mc nick right,
in one hour, hurt hierarchy in one hour. I looked
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at the lines this weekend. Boy, that Detroit Chicago game tasty.
I'm just saying when I look at Detroit, so I'm
doing the hurt hierarchy. I don't remember the last team
that literally physically dominated other teams like Detroit. So America
right on Sundays, America watches their favorite teams. Thursday you
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get to watch the Lions. You get to see what
you know people like you and I have to watch
all these games. I was thinking this morning driving in
America's five going to get a first look. Everybody collectively
is going to watch Detroit against the talented Chicago team,
and everybody's finally gonna go Yeah, Kansas City's not that good,
Buffalo is not that good, Baltimore's good, They're not that good.
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Philadelphia's close, but probably not that good.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
You don't think everybody watched them beat the Titans fifty
two to fourteen or the Jags fifty two to six.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
They weren't tuned in for those.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well, the NFL is kind of a regional league in
a lot of the big cities, So I'm interested to
see everybody's interpretation of Detroit.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It is funny. Last year on Thanksgiving, if memory serves
me correctly. Didn't Green Bay or something go into Detroit
and play and just play like their game.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
That was like the Jordan Loves shit.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, it was this performance by Jordan Love. We were
all like, what in the world are we watching? So
I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
By the way, who's the best quarterback in the Thanksgiving
night game? Tu or Jordan Love? Take your time on
this one, because I know you love one guy.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well, I'm more of a Jordan Love fan. I'm aware.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
But this season, by.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The way, everybody's saying the Thanksgiving games aren't good. I
think Miami. I just looked at the weather this morning.
It's it's gonna be cold. It's gonna be twenty nine
degrees and it's not snowing. It's not windy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, let's keep an eye on that wind chill.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's gonna be free. I think Miami at
Green Bay is a great game.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
It's certainly better than Cooper Rush versus Drew Lock. It
sounds like Drew Lock could get the start. If you
don't got dinged.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Up, I don't know, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Ye be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
Weekdays in Noone Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So as we all know, or at least everybody should know,
success is not a straight line. It is a process.
I've been in this business a long time. I've seen
a lot of shows start and everybody judges a show
after two weeks, like, take a deep breath. Take the
Detroit Lions. We look at them and they're like, man,
that team is well run. Now they have done everything right.
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Yet year four they went three, thirteen and one, nine,
twelve and five, and now they're ten and one and
they've done virtually everything right. Steve Sarkesian in college, he's
one of the great recruiters, five and seven, eight and five,
twelve and two, made the college Football Playoff, and now
finally at Texas, huge brand where you can just get
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twenty five first round picks every year. Now they're ten
and one and number three in the country. That's what Texas,
that's what doing everything right in Detroit, that's what success is.
And successful people know that. So Harbaugh doesn't let any
of the criticism get to him. But Jim Harbaugh's in time.
Remember all these idiots that were banging on him at
Michigan because he couldn't beat Ohio State. You don't take
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over Brady Hoape's program and on one or two recruiting classes,
beat Alabama, Georgia, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
State, maybe Purdue.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
You can clean the kitchen up, but you still got
the driveway, the roof. And so here's what happens with
Jim Harbor. Everywhere he goes in turns garbage into a
pretty nice situation. Not Super Bowl nice, not winning Natty nice.
But he makes you good, He gets he know, he
patches the holes in the boat and makes you as
good as you can possibly be. And then he becomes
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a victim of himself. All these people banging on him
at Michigan. He's trying to beat Ohio State, arguably the
second best program in the country in my life, and
building a Super Bowl team is hard. You can watch
the Chargers last night. They're very good on script in
the first half, offensively and defensively. Why because that's coaching,
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Jesse mentoring Jim harbll second half comes down to players.
You ever noticed this with Philadelphia? Philadelphia is okay in
the first half against the Rams. McVeigh first half keeps
it close coaching. But when you go off script and
it's Mona momano guy versus guy who's got better dudes,
Philadelphia rolls them second half, Baltimore rolls them. Chargers need
to shore up their interior line. They need two or
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three more playmakers, probably need another great corner, and then
they can beat Baltimore or Detroit, or Philly or Kansas City.
So it's just this idea everybody else is trying to
and you're not the only smart person in any business
you're in. It's hard to win elections, it's hard to
win football games when you're going up against Andy Reid
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and your brother John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And I thought last night, I don't think all losses
in the NFL are bad losses. I thought the Bears
losing the Minnesota this weekend, I was like, that's a
good loss. That was a very encouraging loss, because Minnesota's good.
I thought the Chargers last night, when it was on script,
they could keep the game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
In front of them.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But over the course of time, Lamar Jackson, Henry's A Flowers,
Mark Andrews, Kyle Hamilton, and just like they got layers
and layers of dudes, and guys, and they've been building
this puppy in Baltimore forever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Here's Jim.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
After we know what kind of team we are and
what we're capable of and regroup, and as I said
a couple of times, yeah, that's more importantly to me
is I know we're building and and I know we're
capable of and onward.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
My brother Jim best coach in the National Football League
when he's done with that team, and how hard they playing,
what they did, and these are these are just huge battles,
huge battles every week in this league.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So the Chargers this year, they would they would have
lost to Cincinnati a few weeks ago. Right, they're six
and oh, Jim Harbosch Chargers six and oh against losing teams.
So they're beating the teams they're supposed to. They couldn't
do that last year. And they're one and four against
winning teams. Why because the winning teams have years and
years to build it. So like they, oh they lose
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to Kansas City, right, or they lose to Pittsburgh and
Mike Tomlin's culture and oh, well, what do you know,
they they lose to Baltimore. They're winning the games they
should be winning, and now that Justin Herbert is healthy
and he wasn't in the first month, so you're not
quite sure what they are. But they'll win the games
they should. They're not Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City,
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They're not. I do think they match up with Kansas
City really well. I think those games will be interesting.
I think they're a step ahead of Denver, who's good,
but Denver doesn't have as in my opinion, as many.
They don't have Jim, they don't have Justin Herbert, they
have bow Knicks, who's a rookie. So Sean Payton's going
through this process, Sean Payton. Next year they'll be better.
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Sean Payton will have less of Russell Wilson's cap hit
to worry about. Bo Nicks's second year. Another six to
seven draft picks, one or two more free agent signings,
just a process.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, this is the Herdline news.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
They'll start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Colin season has not
gone great yet for Zach Taylor and company. They have
a huge game this weekend against Pittsburgh, which is basically
their season. Well, Zach Taylor, the genius, says, decided to
put ping pong tables in the locker room, hoping that
it fosters team building activities and competitiveness.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Okay, you just want guys interact and and you know,
so that's one way to do it. I'm not overthinking
it too much, but it's a way to create some
energy and get guys up and active. You know, it's
it's December football now, and need everyone to be at
their best, need everyone to have energy when they walk
in the building. That creates some competitiveness. It's about all
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there is to it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it would really help if the owner would build
an outdoor practice facility and would pay Jamar Chase and
T Higgins. For the record, I was watching The Charger
last night and I thought of your suggestion. They if
you took Quinton Johnson and replaced him with T Higgins,
You're like, it's a different team, and then you get
one more Ladd McConkie. Then in year two T Higgins,
now you're like, Okay, now that's something I was so.
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I was thinking of you last night. But I think
I feel bad for Joe Burrow and I feel bad
for Zach Taylor. Because I think Zach's a good coach.
I think there's just limitations to what a Cincinnati head
coach can do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
TJ. Hushman Zada came on this year show. Years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He played for very wealth b Seattle and very well
run Baltimore and Cincinnati, And when you compared the three situations, TJ.
Hushman Zada, very honest guy, was like, it's like college
compared to pro football operations.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, they explored for ping pong tables, which is nice.
Those are expensive. By the way, do you are you
a ping pong guy?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I used to be.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
So.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
I lobby this staff for a ping pong table to
foster community and competitiveness. I honestly did that in the
first year. You can ask Kyle Music all these guys. Also,
I would wipe the floor with most people. I'm very
good at ping pong. Yeah, but Colin, this is late
in the season. A ping pong table, real, that's gonna
like turn things around? Are they that desperate?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
How desperate's that tailor?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
As? No, you guys on this staff have been telling
me Cincinnati is gonna make a run, and I've been
telling you for the last month.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
They're they're just not good enough. They don't.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I mean they have like four players I love, and
you can have the rest of the roster.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Are you seeing what's happening with his market for Bengals Steelers?
Look at lot's on the screen. The Bengals, the lonely Bengals.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
Are three point favorites at home against Russell Wilson and
your guy, Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I like Pittsburgh. Oh do you? Okay? Good luck?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
You gotta take them in the blazon five. By the way,
are you doing a blazing now?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I don't. Not on Thanksgiving? I never do so.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Now we're out week one and out Thanksgiving. Okay, you
sure you want to keep doing this thing? All right,
let's go to Dak Prescott and the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
So Dak got a new contract at the start of
the year, right, Ceedee Lamb also got a new contract.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Colin Mike McCarthy, the head coach, did not.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Jerry Jones was asked about the possibility McCarthy could get extended.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Take a listen to the owner's answer.
Speaker 12 (22:45):
Don't think that's crazy, did at all? That's not crazy
that Mike McCarthy has been there, done that. So bottom
line is that they had no place in my body
language or anything else. Have you saying indications about what
going to be doing a relative to this staff at
the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, that's Belichick's second choice. Just can I just throw
this out to you?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
What's his first New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Belichick? Belichick loves the New York Giants. It's in his heart.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I mean, Bill Belichick doesn't cry a lot on camera.
You get him going through the halls of the New
York Giants, Bill Belichick gets all. Bill Belichick deeply cares
about the New York Giants if.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
They crying about the lack of talent in the building
or what was he crying about.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Just just I'm saying is I would retain Brian Dabole.
But I'm just telling you Dallas is Belichick's second choice
because he and Jerry get along.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I want to know, I mean Jerry get along.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
How do you think Belichick would handle the owner doing
like five in radio interviews a week and causing a
firestorm in a dusto And then every time Belichick goes
to the podium, Hey, well your owner said this on
the radio yesterday.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think that's baked in. I think you just know,
you get a little you get a little crazy. With Jerry,
I think that's baked into it. You're also the coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. I think there's reasons I wouldn't
want the job personally, but I think that's Belichick's second choice.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
Have you ever actively sought out a job where the big,
big boss is crazy and you know it well?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know I don't get offered those big jobs, but
if I did, I would consider not calling.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
This insane.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
All right, final story is, let's go to the dumpster
fire in the NFC East, not New York Giants. So
Malik Neighbors called the team out after the game after
the loss.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Of the Buccaneers. It was just a great clip.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Neighbors was smacking his gum visibly upset, complained about not
getting the ball the entire first half. Said go ask
Brian dabs Well. Head coach Brian Dables said he talked
to the rookie after the outburst.
Speaker 13 (24:40):
He's very competitive individual. You want to get the ball
in his hands, and I got to do a better
job of getting the ball in his hands early. He's
a smart young guy that's very competitive. Pat And again,
when you lose like that. It's a frustrating thing. But
we've had good communication, as we always have.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I'll say it again, there's a lot of pieces here.
They just need a quarterback. They're gonna get. They're gonna get.
Can I throw it out there what I think is
gonna happen? Go for it, cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
To the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, all right, so this is funny.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I was, you know, I go through these box scores
because I'm a loser. So zero targets for day Neighbors
in the first half. Yeah, okay, So the second half,
something happened at halftime.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
In the locker room.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Something went out.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
The very first play, Tommy DeVito to Melik Neighbors for
twenty one yards. The second play, you want to guess,
we targeted again, Malik Neighbors. You the third play, this
is right after halftime, Neighbors, Neighbors, Neighbors.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I'm guaranteeing you something.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Went down in Melik Neighbors, probably yelling why the hell
am I not getting the ball?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I told you I got five past attempts. I'm gonna
defend Molik Neighbors. Their offense was better when they targeted
their best offensive player.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
So now asked the head coach, why didn't you do
that once in the first half? Brian, are you a
play caller or are you a head coach? I mean
that's a legitimate question.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
How do you not target it once in the half?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Colin?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And then we forgot about my league neighbors. Let me
just force feed him on this first drive.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
To keep it happy.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think there's a lot of things going on with
the Giants. There's a lot of noise, and I don't
think it was their best effort. But again, remember everybody
in New York, all the genius media types in New
York lectured us on Robert Solo was the problem. The
defense got worse, the offense got worse. This team was
competitive before Robert saw all the media know it alls
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in New York. Sola's the problem. No, he was the
best coach in that city. Arguably, he was the best
football coach in that city. Brian Dable and him. Okay,
so now all of a sudden, it's Brian Dable. You
know what do they say, lawyers, when you have when
you have the facts, you pound the facts. When you don't,
you just pound on the table A lot of table
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pounders in New York that don't really either know or
care to know that Brian Davils were a good coach.
Ownership bad GM scouts have missed on a lot of
players the Ghettleman hangover, but everybody had.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Robert Sola was a bum.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Nah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
He was the only legitimate big time coach on the staff.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I don't want to go too deep into this, but Colin,
you keep saying he's a good coach.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Let's back up. How define for me a good.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Coach winning a playoff game with Daniel Jones? It's more
than that. Well, I mean, that's something that I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Talking about, Like Jim Harball is like a boiler plate.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Hey man, you need to have an offensive philosophy and
you need to instill it in.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Your Justin, Herbert's been in this league a long time
and he's excellent. No playoff wins. Daniel Jones is a
playoff win. So, by the way, that's the difference. A
great quarterback didn't have a playoff win, a guy that
just got they played them at safety week ago has one.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm just saying, like, so.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Brian Dabele's been there several years now, Colin, what are
the New York Giants?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What is there?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
What is their philosophy?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Sat, You're blaming him. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Blaming, I'm asking. I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Their philosophy is, well, it was run the football, play
action for Daniel, but the GM thought Sakuan Barkley was not.
I'm not paying a running back twelve million a year.
That was the philosophy. And then the GM traded the
philosophy away. I mean that the GM traded the or move.
They'll let the let the guy walk across the street,
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didn't trade him. So they had a philosophy, and the
GM let the philosophy walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
What do you want to say?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I guess that that goes back to like, listen, you
got to get the GM and the coach on the
same page.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
If the Raiders decided tomorrow the GM said I'm getting
rid of Max Crosby, and you're like, you know, Antonio
Pierce's defense isn't as good. Well, their identity is they
play hard and the best player on their team is
Max Crosby. So if the GM lets him go, you
let the identity walk out of the building.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Don't blame coach. That's my take.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
I mean, I just don't understand how if Davil's the
coach and his philosophy is play action and Saquon Barkley,
the GM's gonna be like, eh, we don't need Saque
Like that means the coach in the GM are not
on the same pace. Somebody got to go call it.
It's not working.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Would you agree with that? Oh, I've said I would
get rid of the GM. Yeah. Jmckle the news, Well
that's the.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
News, and thanks for stopping by the lie.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
There's a couple of things here. Oh. SEC fans are
freaking out.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They puffed their chest out we are the best conference,
and then the minute they cannibalize each other.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
They want to be a victim.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But if Georgia loses in the SEC Championship in two weeks,
you can't let Georgia in the playoff with three losses.
I'll talk about that. Heard hierarchy, Nick right. A lot
of good stuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter not a Join.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Us Thanksgiving Day on Fox as CD Lamb and the
Cowboys take on rookie Sensation Mummy Davers and the Giants.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
He actually kicks off at four eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So the College Football Playoff rankings come out tonight and
SEC fans are getting very nervous. Now, a little backstory.
When the SEC shocked the world and stole Texas and
Oklahoma from the Big Twelve, they puffed their chest. This
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year is the result of it. Alabama being humiliated by Oklahoma.
Texas clearly the best team in the conference beginning of
season to now. So SEC fans say, well, well, well,
here's the truth. If Georgia, with two losses in two weeks,
loses the SEC championship game, I don't believe they should
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get in. But our schedule, Oh, let's let's let me
look up Georgia's schedule.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Okay, let me let me look this up. Let me
see us on that schedule.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Oh, Tennessee Tech and Massachusetts. That's what I see. Uh
you really think Alabama? You want you want credit for
that Alabama game you lost?
Speaker 12 (31:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I watched them against former Big twelve tough guy Oklahoma humiliated.
But but but but Georgia would beat Yes, the playoff
was created to get rid of that argument, and I
think The playoff is great because it gives everybody a mulligan.
Bama loses to Vandy, you get a mulligan. You don't
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get two and three mulligans. You can't get beat by
Vandy and then get humiliated. If you're Alabama by Oklahoma,
you're done. And Georgie's got two losses, you don't get three.
But but we would beat. The regular season has to
mean something, and it's already been reduced because of the playoff.
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When Georgia beat Texas, it didn't ruin Texas's season. My
first take was, well, if they meet again, what an
advantage for the Longhorns. So we've already reduced the impact
to some degree of the regular season, though it's still good.
You don't want to reduce all of it. It's got
to mean something, and we know this in pro football.
Sometimes a team can win a division. They're seven to
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nine and it's a bad division, and there's a team
that can have ten wins that don't make the playoffs.
That's why you have a regular season. So you don't
get three losses. It doesn't work that way. But but
we would beat Well, you had those breathers against Tennessee Tech,
and Panera Bread and Roast Beef State, and you got
some layups getting ready for those games. And so I
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don't have a lot of pity you go, U SEC
team schedule these ridiculous you know, out of conference games
that no other conference plays teams that bad that regularly.
But but but we have this, this, this, you're not
that good. Georgie's offense stinks, Alabama's offense sometimes stinks. Ole
Miss can't beat Florida. I mean, all these college teams
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in the SEC going on the road and melting against
average teams.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
That's you problem.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I'll give you. I'll give you a mulligan. But
the regular season has to mean something. And the SEC
is they were stealing Texas and Oklahoma from the Big twelve.
All they were doing was puffing out their chest. Well,
this is the result of it. It's like when your
company merges with another company and you're like, look how
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big our company is. Don't be shocked if they keep
that management team and get rid of your management team.
That's the downside to a merger. And when you take
Texas and Oklahoma instead of getting Middle Tennessee Tech in
week ten, you have to go to Norman Oklahoma and
get your forehead whacked. That's the way it is. So
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sorry for that, but you bragged about it. Now. I
don't want to hear you're a victim of it, because
this was going to make you the strongest conference and
now instead of getting that breather, now you got to
go to Austin or you got to go to Norman.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
How'd that work out? Alabama?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You weren't even competitive eight minutes in. Not competitive. So
I'm not losing any sleep over that. And I think
the SEC is the best conference. But I'm going to
take a one lost Indiana team over a three lost
Georgia team because the regular season has to mean something.
Something doesn't have to mean everything. It's going to mean
something in the NFL. It's not everything, but he gets
you into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That means something.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, Nick Wright heard hierarchy top of Next Hour, so
I think this is interesting. So you know, on this show,
I like Tua. I would not have paid him mid
fifty million, but you know, listen, Miami could not move
the football without him, couldn't get first downs without him.
So Tua never looked more valuable than when.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He was hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
When he was gone, You're like, yeah, they need him,
and two is good. We're not denying that two is good.
Fifty five million good, we'll see. But brock Perty did
some light throwing Monday without an issue. So it's been
a very mysterious shoulder issue. So the good news he
plays at Buffalo in nineteen degrees this weekend. I'm sure
it'll be all fine. The brock Pretty injury is weird though,
(35:15):
because he had two MRIs and they couldn't find anything.
And here's what's funny is that I think San Francisco
fans think they have an answer at quarterback, and I
actually think they have a dilemma at quarterback. So we
look at Tua's contract at fifty three million and come
and that's like fourth or fifth in the league, but
(35:35):
within a couple of years it'll be like tenth or twelveth.
So it is not unrealistic for a Pro Bowl quarterback
whose team can't score without him. But is Tua not
a better version of Rock Party? I mean, they're both
six one, two twenty, they both have multiple injuries in
the NFL, neither has a great arm. Both have a
great offensive coach, same system with great weapons that elevate
(35:57):
them at six ' one, they're at less. But there's
no wow there athletically. I mean Tua struggles in cold weather.
I saw brock Purty playing the rain in Cleveland. He
had ball security issues. So here's the thing. If Tua
is a more talented version than brock Purty, and I
(36:17):
think that's true, and you're paying Tua fifty three large,
what are you gonna pay rock Purty? You think thirty
four it's not gonna work. You know how contracts work.
You look at other companies, you look at other talent,
you look at other quarterbacks, and you go, well, relative
to the market, here's what he has to get paid.
Rock Purty's Agent's not letting them sign for thirty four million.
So I mean, to me, here is absolutely, definitively what
(36:44):
brock Purty is better than Jimmy Garoppolo. So my question
is is that the standard better than Jimmy Garoppolo, healthier,
usually more mobile, always that's what he is. So it's
interesting we really criticize Tua, but this is an organization
(37:08):
in Miami that could not score without him.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
They couldn't compete. Now they're pammering people.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So Tua's got real value. When at fifty three million,
myself included, I was like, eh, I'm not comfortable with
that given his concussion stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Well you gonna pay Party. You're not. You're not getting
thirty four million.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And I think Tua is a better vision, a better
version of Brock Party. So I think that is. I
think Brock Purty could be a franchise quarterback. But remember,
you're gonna have to pay him fifty million. You got
to get rid of some guys, and not like just
one guy, not just like Debo. You're gonna have to
get rid of multiple guys as you're really rebuilding your
(37:51):
O and D lines because the Niners can keep drafting quarterbacks.
The Niners O line has to get better, and the
Niners D line outside of Bosa has to get better.
That's what they have to attack. They don't need any
more wide receivers, not to mention, their special teams are
a mass. They may have to spend money in that department.
So I'm just saying, here's Kyle Shanahan, it's just been
a weird injury. Nobody's quite sure. A couple of MRIs.
(38:13):
Here is Shanahan update on Brock pretty shoulder.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
We don't push that hard, but it's a light throwing,
which is a good sign that the pain had to
come back. And we'll right to tomorrow and see how
he feels it the week oo. I mean most guys
get We always get one on the one. When you
get one and yet it seems all right, then you
have some pain later in the week, so you get
another one to make sure he ended to anything, and
(38:38):
so that that he did. I think after the Thursday practice, well.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
They're not going to Buffalo and win in the without
brock Purty, so he is their only shot. I think
Buffalo is playing really good football. I think what you've
noticed if you look at the AFC and the NFC
playoff standings, now you're getting the separation. There's very few
teams with a great quarterback that are aren't viable. Cincinnati
(39:01):
with a terrible defense doesn't feel terribly viable to me
now that they go on a five game winning streak.
I could be wrong, certainly possible favored over the very
good Pittsburgh Steelers, but it does feel like now you're
getting kind of a sense is the best coaching the
best quarterbacks. I mean, in fact, I could make an
argument the Chargers are the best team in the league
with no shot to win a Super Bowl. Of the
(39:25):
five or six teams we think could get to a
Super Bowl, the Chargers are the best team in the league.
Of the teams that can't get there, maybe Pittsburgh, Maybe Pittsburgh.
Jmack thinks Cincinnati, maybe the Chargers, But I don't think
the Steelers are Chargers can get there, or Cincinnati, but
I think they're good, right. They all have their moments,
(39:46):
all right. Hurt hierarchy Nick Wright on a Tuesday Around
the Corner live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
It's the hurt
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