December 2, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin explains why he thinks the overtime rules in college football need to changed, his thoughts on the Eagles win streak this year, and Albert Breer stops by.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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at Tower three. We are flying through today and a Monday.
We got where are all stacked? Denver Broncos tonight hosting
the Cleveland Browns. I'll be texting Jmax, Jmax. You at
bow Nick's past, Courtland Sutton, Franklin mimes whoever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Mimes for?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
From Oklahoma? Marvin Marvin mim.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
There's another kid, Frank Oregon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, if they win tonight, they're the playoffs. They're waving
at everybody else because the Colts are right behind them
and they can't pass.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The Colts could pass the Texans day the Texans. What
is going on with those guys?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
The Texans are good. I like the Colts roster. I
like the Texans quarterback. I'm gonna go with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I don't think both Nicks will do anything as impressive
as Anthony Richardson's ninety yard game winning drive and the
two point conversion. If you watch that, it was like,
I mean, Richardson had like eighty yards passing.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Leading into that I know, and he delivered. I was like, Okay,
that game was weirdly entertaining.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It was football. It was just awesome yesterday honestly, eight
hours of a four days eating like four days of leftover.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I once saw that Georgia Georgia Tech game. That thing
I was I hate college overtime, but it is what
it is. Albert Breer, who was front and center as
a Buck guy. Bad weekend for Albert. Other stuff percolating
in the NFL don't go anywhere. The Bills continue to
look like a Super Bowl contender. Hammered the Niners on
Sunday Night Football, But last night Buffalo reminded me of
an eight year old on the first day of winter snowfall.
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They were having the time of their baby. I think
what you were watching last night is the champion that
never was San Francisco and the potential champion that should
be Buffalo, and the reason Buffalo should win A Ringer three.
Josh Allen ran for a touchdown, through for a touchdown,
caught a touchdown. Nothing he can't do, missing a couple
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of top offensive performers. Mah six straight games, thirty plus
points on a driving snowstorm. We've been saying this, when
you get Superman, you don't want to overuse him. And
for years they didn't have a home run hitter at
running back. Now they do. They had drama at wide receiver,
now they don't. They add kin Kid Dalton kin Kaid
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a great tight end. They've always had a great left tackle.
They've rebuilt their offensive line. This is the best version
of Buffalo, and I believe in the AFC they've sort
of separated Baltimore the defense, special teams, reliability. Joe Burrow
has the worst defense in the last decade. Kansas City's flawed.
The Chargers are not dynamic enough, and the Steelers. I
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like them. I was wrong on the Steelers, but I
don't think their ceiling is Buffalo. They are built. The
Bills are just they had a ball last night. I
mean they're the only team that plays in snow. They
don't have like a heating system under it. No, that's okay.
We're six and zero at home. We're having the time
of our lives. We'll lean into it. They are built
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for January and February football. You watched Miami go to
Chili Green Bay, They're like, can we get back on
the flight home? Even the uniforms Dolphins in Green Bay,
it doesn't work. Buffalo's built for this stuff. You look
at the dynasties of the NFL. They've been Green Bay
right Oh, they're Kansas City, It's New England, it's the Baltimore's,
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it's the Steelers. Cold weather, January, February, and a sport
mostly played outdoors. Buffalo's got all the elements. A strong
armed corps. Don't have one of those in Miami. The
ball can get through this. A strong run game, sometimes windy,
you got to just hand it off, good old line,
tough defensive culture. Snow games generally don't do it for me,
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except if it's the Bills. You know, it's Elvis in Vegas.
It just works, you know, it just works. And Josh
Allen is you're set of all weather tires, I mean,
and then you're watching them have the time of their lives.
On the other side, it's San Francisco, I said a
week ago. It's time to tear this puppy down. People
push back, that's not true or close. No, you're not.
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Christian McAffrey hurt again, Fred Warner hurt. Trent Allen Bosa
didn't play. Folks. Put up the signs, liquidation sale, get
draft picks the sooner. San Francisco admits this puppies over.
The better reinforcements are not coming. Stop drafting wide receivers.
Get Kyle Shanahan away from the personnel department. It ruined
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Bill Belichick and Bill O'Brien and among other things, John
Gruden didn't help Pete Carroll. Get Shanahan away from personnel.
Go back to being a strong, forceful team. Run first.
Brock perty He's not a guy you can rely on
in January and February if he's got a play in
cold weather or against you know, he's not a Joe Burrow.
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He's not a La Ma Holmes. He's not He's not
a I don't think he's a Jalen Hurts in terms
of playmaking. That's not what he is. He doesn't throw
it as well as golf or move as well as
Jalen Hurts in the NFC or Jordan love So. San Francisco.
The sooner they can come to terms with it, the better.
But what you were watching last night is the champion
that never was San Francisco and they're gonna struggle letting
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go of this puppy. It's over. Reinforcements aren't coming tear
it down to the studs. And on the other side,
you saw a Bills team once again dominate the AFC East.
They're going to win this division as long as Josh
Allen is in his prime, which is five more years,
just like Bred And here's Josh after this.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
One feels a little bit different. You know this early
in the season. We still got five games left. At
the same time, we're chasing the one seed. We understand that,
we know that, and we got to keep getting better
each and every week.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So but it's it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean to go out there and play free and
play relax and play loose.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I think that that could be a dangerous team.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
A lot of sports, when it comes to team sports,
is taking advantage of these tiny windows. Kansas City's flawed,
Baltimore and Cincinnati defense not up to spot stuff, and
you start looking at Pittsburgh ceiling. This is the year
for Buffalo, They're mostly healthy. They could get the number
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one seed. They've got a superstar quarterback, good front office,
no chaos in coaching, and they've had a little bit
of that in the coordinator head coaching space. This feels
like the year for the Bills. I want to talk
about this next. The Steelers beat the Bengals forty four
to thirty eight. So for years and years I defended
Russell Wilson. I think everybody liked him. Let Russ cook
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and then it ended poorly. Then he went to Denver.
It was a bit of a mess. He and Sean
Payton personalities clash. He went to Pittsburgh. In my take was,
I think the players are going to like justin fieldsmore young,
relatable athletic. But the one thing the Steelers haven't been,
and I mean even in the Big Ben days, Big
Ben Prime days, they've always been loose, a little overly dramatic, loud,
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and undisciplined offensively. And Mike Tomlin needed Russell Wilson and Frankly,
Russell Wilson needed Mike Tomlin a head coach that isn't
looking over his shoulder in the meeting rooms. Mike Let's
offense do offense. And I don't know if this team
Pittsburgh's going to beat Philly in two weeks or Baltimore
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in three. But Tomlin and Russell Wilson are perfect. Russell
is the adult in the room for an offense that's
desperately needed that for a year. He's focused, he's driven,
he's aspirational, he's grateful, he's serious, he's disciplined. He doesn't
turn the ball over, and defensive coaches like that. And
here's the thing. Both Tomlin and Russell Wilson have trophies,
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have healthy confidence. I think they're good people. Both got humbled.
Tomlin kept hearing, bro, you can't win playoff games, Brady Manning.
Mike Tomlin had to look himself in the mirror and go,
you know what, I got to get a grown up
ruin this offense. And Justin Fields had a winning record.
He pulled him out, gave it to Russ. Tomlin got
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nothing but crap, and he was right. He was right.
He's like, I need a senior statesman. And by the way,
Russell Wilson figured out in Denver, you know what, I'm
probably going to be a complimentary piece. I can't be
the savior for football teams. So before Russell Wilson arrived,
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the last several years with Pittsburgh, there was one way
to win, create turnovers, mostly low scoring, played really well
as an underdog, not necessarily as a favorite. Forty four
thirty eight wins over Joe Burrow were not available to
this franchise in the last several years, and now they are.
So there's multiple ways to win. And I mean, in
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my entire life, every really great Steeler team has had
two things, a great tough defense and a quarterback that
could beat you over the top from Terry Bradshaw of
Big Ben, and that is Russell Wilson's primary asset now
at his age, he'll beat you down the field. And
the last time the Steelers finished in the top ten
in the offense, Andrew Luck was starting for the Colts.
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So it has been a while where they had a
quarterback that would couple with a defense and a Mike
Tomlin and a Chuck Knowle or a Bill Cower that
could burn you if you weren't honest. And it gives
the Steelers now multiple ways to win. And Mike Tomlin
and Russell Wilson, there's no clash of personalities. Sean Payton
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sees offense a certain way, Russell didn't play it that way.
Clash right, and then Russell saw the world a certain way.
And by the end Pete Carroll didn't. The Tomlin Russell
thing works. Here's the coach after thought.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Our group, you know, smiled in the face of it,
particularly Russ. You know, it's the first time for him
going through this AFC North football. And then I thought
he acclimated himself to a well today he put himself
squarely in the history of these series, in this series
with that performance today, Man, we're thankful for.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I'll tell you there was a moment after the game.
It was one of those in the hallway gestures where
Tomlin grabbed Russ and gave him a hug, and you
could really see the affection Tomlin understands. And this has
been Pittsburgh even during the Big Ben days. Is Mike
is a very emotional coach. His Steelers are tough, physical,
they're emotional and sometimes with young players, you know, you
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got to have a grown up on the offensive side,
because Mike will monitor the defensive side. But it's always
been the offense and you're like, you're a little noisy,
you're a little loud, You're a lot buttoned up. And
that's what Russ brings. Disciplined focus, grown up, grateful, aspirational driven.
That's exactly what they needed, and the fit works. I
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didn't think it did. I didn't think it would. It does.
All sorts of good stuff left Albert Breer, the buck
guy around the corner. A lot of people want Ryan daygone.
I'll just say more chaos will ensue. I still contend
Texas is the best team that a bad Saturday at
home against Georgia. I think Ohio State, Tennessee, and Oregon
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are my best bats. I just don't think george is
good enough. I think it Tennessee, Ohio State, and Oregon.
Wouldn't be shocked if any of those ended up playing Texas.
But I don't count the Buckeyes out. They've got too
much talent and they don't have to play Michigan again.
They don't match up with Michigan. Michigan is in Ohio
State's Let's let's wait the calendar year and see if
we go next year.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
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Speaker 1 (12:12):
After the game, the shocking Michigan went over Ohio State
in Columbus, there was the flag planting incident, which was ugly,
but it happened all over the country, so somebody will
put a kai bosh to that, but it was it was.
It was pepper spray and not good and put a
little stain on the game as Michigan shocked the world.
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A team that can't master the forward pass this year
beat Ohio State. Here was Wolverine's running back Khalil Mullings
after the game with Jenny Taft.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
At the end of the day, you know, some people
gotta they got to learn how to lose. Man, you
can't can't be fighting and stuff just because he lost
the game. You know, all that fighting, We had sixty minutes,
We have four quarters to do all that fighting, and
now people want to talk and fight.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
That's wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
You know, this is bad for the game. Class lists
in my opinion, h you know, and and people people
got to be better.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, let's go to a reporter, a journalist, Albert Breer. Yes, yes,
he went to Ohio Stateton's a bit bitter today.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
But what that was a convenient opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You didn't mention the flag planning.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well what do you make I mean, does it bother you?
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Like I think if you win the game, you have
the right to do what you want to do. But
that doesn't mean you get to do what you want
to do without repercussion. And if you are going to
dance on a logo or plan a flag, you should
expect to fight.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
That's just what it is.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Because what you are doing then, as you are saying,
not only did I beat you, I'm going to go
ahead and disrespect you, disrespect your program, and I mean
to me at least, like I think that is picking
a fight. Yeah, so if you are picking a fight,
you need to be ready for a fight. Coil bowings,
That's that's the score here. Like you want to plant
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your flag, no problem, You do what you need to do,
But you cannot do that without expecting repercussion.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Listening to him talk, it was almost like he had
missed the whole part about planning the flag, Like planning
the flag is what started the fight. When you plant
the flag in that rivalry, you should know what's going
to happen. And you know, I I agree with the
Big Ten's decision to to to find both sides. Yeah,
because one side picked a fight the other through oblige
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the other side obliged the side to pick the fight
with a fight.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Why not just out We have a picture of you
at the game as you were watching the flag planning. Uh,
you very very distress.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Is this actually during the flag planning?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, it looks like it was at any point in
the game watching your offense, and from what I can,
from what I could tell, but why not just banned
flag planning? Because I mean, by the way Sark in
the A and M games, like he got his in
front of his longhorns and he's like, get out of here.
We're not getting involved on the road with that stuff.
How about just ban it period in college football? How
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about that?
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I mean, that'd be up to the powers to be
you know, I think I think it's stupid anyway, don't
you call him?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Like?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yeah, like most of these fields are terf So what
happens when you plant the flag as you jam it
into the ground and then it falls over? Yeah, so
it's like it doesn't even stick there, which makes it
like like even more stupid. So uh, if they want to,
if they don't, if they want to ban it, that's fine.
I actually like kind of like field storming. Like I
think field storming is like a good, good clean fun
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like a college activity, you know what I mean, Like
in as long as everybody is you know, like everybody's
not a psycho about it, like you know, like.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
That can be fine.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
If they wanted to blag to to to ban flag
planning because it's causing fights, like I I wouldn't have
a huge problem with that. Let me, by the way,
you notice to thank for all. This is your old
buddy Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Hey, he's always been a pioneer. Let me ask you
I and I said this Ohio State can't be a
first job. I mean, listen, Dan Lanning has worked at Oregon,
but it's a big job. I've said. It reminds me
of Mark Rick at Georgia quarterback coach. You get a
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big brand. I think Ryan Day's fine, but there is
something to be said about steps. You don't start it
where you work right now and write. You go to
the local paper, a bigger local paper. Then you maybe
you're a secondary reporter at a big space, then you
become the columnist. There are steps to life, is it?
Is it possible that Ryan Day here he's still figuring
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out how to coach because I don't even know what
Ohio State's identity is as a program. I just know
they're talented.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's fair.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, Look like, I think a big part of
that job is understanding the terms of employment, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And yeah, when I was in school there, John Cooper
was the coach.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah, and you know, I know that that's a that's
a third rail name for a lot of people. But
I I remember thinking, like, and I'm not from Ohio,
but a lot of my fans is from the Midwest,
and my family is Big ten, and.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So I felt like I had an understanding of it.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
I think until you're in it, you don't really know
sure how important the rivalry is and how the rivalry,
how you approach the rivalry is really important.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Here's what I mean by that.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
I think every coach who's coaching Ohio State feels the pressure.
But how do you approach the pressure? Do you think
the pressure is a burden? Do you feel like you're
a victim of the pressure or do you think the
pressure is a privilege? And do you think being in
those shoes is a privilege? And I think that that
can be the subtle difference sometimes, like Urban and you
guys work with him. I was at the game in
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sixteen that was the one where Curtis Samuel you know,
scores at the end in overtime. I think it's still
the only overtime game in the history of the series.
And and Urban like kind of falls to the ground.
I watched Urban for a lot of overtime to where
we were sitting. He had kind of a clear look
at him, and it looked like he was going to
have a heart attack, damn near the whole time, Like
it looked like he was about to keel over and die.
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And like, so you can't tell me that guy didn't
feel the pressure. But I never heard Urban ever.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Scuffle against the pressure or you know, feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
It was just like he viewed like that is like
a privilege, you know, like that that he was in
that role, Like yeah, it's hard, but like he viewed
that as a privilege. And I sort of felt the
same way with Trussell, So I love Ryan as a
person as a coach, Like I just I wonder sometimes
like do you fully embrace it? Do you fully embrace
the terms of employment, Because I think the guys who've
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been successful at Ohio State, and obviously Ohio State's ceiling
has always been higher than Michigan's for a variety of
different reasons, and the pressure there's always been more intense
than it is at Michigan, and the winning has been
more consistent and the bars higher on all the evidence
shows that are you.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Willing to embrace all of that?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
And are you willing to say, you know what, these
two games that we're going to play at the end
of the year do matter more the game for the
game against Michigan, the game in the Big Ten title game,
the playoff game, whatever it is, Like, that's.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
How I'm judged you.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
It's not by beating Iowa in the middle of October.
It's not by beating Indiana. It's by beating Michigan, winning
the Big Ten, winning the national title. So I just
think a huge part of, you know, a coach's ability
to succeed in that job comes down to how willing
he is to embrace those stamps all right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Two NFL things I have to get to first, is
the Bears a great job? And is there a leader
in the clubhouse? I hear Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
What do you hear?
Speaker 8 (19:24):
So, Like, I know a lot of people are going
to look at it and say they need an offensive guru.
I don't really agree with that. I think they need
somebody who's going to be willing to stand up to ownership,
to stand up to the front office, to really be
a leader not just of the guys in the locker room,
but of the organization.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I think if you look over the course of the
last fifteen years or so, there's something that's broken there.
And they've gone back and forth an offensive coach a
defensive coach, from a player's coach to a task master.
And I think in the process, you're right, they've lost
like any sort.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Of identity in who they are. So I think they
need somebody to come in and establish an identity.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And I need to think they need somebody who's gonna
be willing to stand up and and and and if
ownership's wrong about something, tell them like, hey, you're doing
this the wrong way. If the front office is wrong
about something, tell them like, no, we cannot do.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Things this way.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
And so like I I have my eyes on guys,
and I think it's sort of similar to what Detroit needed,
you know. So you know, I Ben Johnson is a
name that's been you know, throwing around there for over
a year, and I think at one point he really
wanted that job. I'm not sure that if that's the
case as much anymore, but I'd look at a Bill Belichick,
I'd look at a Mike Vrabel, I'd look at you know,
if you're you know, want an assistant to turn them
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into a head coach, like an Aaron Glenn who's been
in Dan Campbell's program, you know, and who is a
former player. I just think they need a really strong
personality who has an idea of the identity he wants
to establish, who's going to stick to that identity, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think one of the most impressive things about Detroit
Colin is.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Those guys stood there on day one and they said
they were going to build something, and they built exactly
what they said they were going to build. I think
that's what Chicago needs more than they need just some
guy who's going to develop one player on the roster.
So we get into this discussion during the break. I'm like,
if I'm Pittsburgh, and I mean some of it is
Russell Wilson historically doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You got these TJ. Watt players that you got to
You got to chase the ring when you have them,
these historically great players. And I think Russell's a free
agent after the season. What's wrong with signing him? Do
a three year deal at thirty million large? Is that crazy?
Because I'm watching him play, He's highly effective. Well, you
can't let Russell Wilson go.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Can you.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Well, their their policy is not to sign guys in season,
and that's a long standing policy. And you can say
it's stupid and they should make an exception, and maybe
they should, but they just haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And I do think, like just having to talk to
people there, they want the full body.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Of work, right like, So they want the body of work,
what it looks like in the regular season, what looks
like in the postseason? How Justin Fields is going to
figure into all of this, because remember he's a free
agent too. I just think they want the old body
of work. And you know, part of it too, is
like over time, teams are going to build up some
more tape on how Arthur Smith is deploying Russell Wilson,
So where's your CounterPunch? There are all sorts of things
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that play into that. So I think they're comfortable with
where they're at right now. They'd still love for Fields
to have, you know, future with the franchise as well,
But I think you're right, Like you could look at
Russell Wilson now and how he's married up with what
Arthur Smith is doing with him on offense and say
this could be an effective bridge where for the next
year or two, like he can get us to whoever
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our long term guy is going to be. I just
don't think it's going to happen in season because they've
never done it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Let me ask one more question, niners. I mean, I'm
telling you watching party against Josh Allen in the snow.
I mean it was it was Mac Jones and Josh Allen.
It was nothing special. Are you you're sure they're given
purty the bag?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Now I can tell you like people that are flat
out told me that that's the plan and they d
you did for that, and that they're preparing.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
They've been preparing to do that.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
You know, I don't know where negotiations are going to go.
And we know the Niners have had some protracted negotiations
over the last few years, right So they had one
with Nick Bosa, they have one with Brandon Aiyuk, they
had one with Deebo Samuel. A couple of those got
to the point where you know, the idea of making
a trade was on the table.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
So you know they've they've fought through these things in
the past.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Obviously, a quarterback is a little different because you've got
to know who you're starting quarterback is going to be
in March, and so like I think for the Niners,
it's going to be about sitting down and starting the
process of this early. The last time they were in
a situation like this with Jimmy Garoppolo, they got that
deal done, if you remember, in January. So I'd expect
that they're going to be aggressive and trying to pursue
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a deal with Brock Perdy whether the season ends at
the right end of the regular season or at some
point in the playoffs, you know, and then you see
where it goes.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
The one thing that does.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Kind of make it interesting though, Colin, if you do
want to, if you, if you, if you do want
to stir the pod a little on this is that
Sam Darnold's had.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A great year, he was in their system.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
He'll be a free agent. Yeah, And then Kirk Cousins
contract is tradable. So right there you have two guys
who are legitimate starting quarterbacks in the league this year
where you could look at them and say, experience in
Kyle Shanahan system, either of those guys could work. So
if you're looking for like a leverage point that the
Niners have with Brackbrock party where they could say, take
our offer at forty, take our offer at thirty five,
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or else we'll go get this guy for that price,
that certainly could exist as an element in the negotiation.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Good stuff, Albert Breer. Let's see that sad picture, because
I've never seen Albert sad. He's such a joyful human being.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
This man didn't get any happy pictures of me.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
See this is the picture. This is the picture that
I get to send to my buddies. Now, see my
buddy Ron there on my right, my buddy Reagan. Nick
is over Reagan's shoulder shock Trigono's out there for some reason.
But yeah, like I like this is the picture that
I got to send to my buddies.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I kind of look like a congressman, though, don't.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I You look like a you look like a senator
who just got beat in the midterms or something.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's just, uh, it looks like you hang around a
bunch of tough guys. I would look like, uh, you
had some fun in college. That's what it looks like
to me.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Absolutely, we definitely did all right.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Good seeing you, buddy. Don't worry. You're gonna be fine.
Just gotta get another star quarterback. You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hey, not to your bus, not of your bus.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now that's it. I still like you. In the championship,
you were Oregon against Texas. There you go. I'll let's go.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Let's go college.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
When everybody's bailing on a good program, everybody's bailing on
Ohio State, slow down. Just I just don't want to
play in Michigan again, but slow down. I watched Georgia
this weekend, I'm watching Miami, I'm watching and Texas looks
here and every I'm gonna stay with just Oregon. Tennessee,
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Ohio State and Texas. If if the Valls win a Natty,
who I Am going to be obnoxious. That's all I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
J McK with the news, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Speaking of obnoxious, how about the Commanders. This was one
of your best calls. I'm surprised you're not doing a
victory lap here in the offseason. You were higher on
them than everyone. They snapped a three game skid on
Sunday with a big win over the Titans. Jade Daniels
was on fire early. Washington scored TDS on their first
four possessions. Daniels accounted for four of the scores, throwing
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for three, adding one on the ground. They outgained Tennessee
by over two hundred yards and they're back in the
mix for, you know, locking up a playoff spot. Jaydenon Daniels,
by the way, improving his offensive Rookie of the Year odds.
He's now minus two twenty bo nick second Brock Bowers
has overtaken Caleb Williams for fourth.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Any thought of the Commander's rousing victory. I think they
have a bye week, then they go to New Orleans.
I think they're gonna win that game and they're gonna
be own free. The weird one is the NFC South
where it's like I picked Atlanta to win Kirk Cousins
off the rails, and you know Baker is you know
Baker can deliver when Baker's backed into a corner. And
(27:14):
I like Tampa's roster. So if I had to bet today,
I'd probably take Tampa over Atlanta. But Atlanta beat him
twice already, so had they had a bitch tied that
goes with the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That Seattle Arizona matchup.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
This is that one on Fox. That's a good matchup.
By the way, what's the line on that? I like,
Are you favor Arizona's favorite?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I don't know that I agree with I would
guess I think Seattle's such. I like the Seahawks team.
Then I know they've kind of no show in the
first quarter against the Jets, but I think they're they're
a dangerous team playing at home in January.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's as in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
No, No, I'm just saying in the playoffs, I like Seattle,
but yeah, they got to get their first at Arizona
this week. Washington is a dangerous seven seeds. They got
to get Eckler back. He's on the ir now with
that concussion. But Brian Robinson looked good the defense. By
the way, Marshawn Lattimore sounds like he's gonna play this
coming week. That's said big for Washington. Up next, how
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about this one Colin the Colts and Anthony Richardson with
an incredible game winning drive. Yep, there's Richardson with the
game winning TD toss. And then they went for two
instead of playing for overtime and Richardson just bulldozed us
into the end zone. Incredible, awesome. It was a nineteen
play eighty yard drive for the win. Shaanstike and decided
to go for two. And here's Richardson having with the
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ball in.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
His hands, no doubt. Whenever has a situation like that,
I would like to ball on my hand because I
feel like I can make it play. But it's up
a coach. You know, it's not really up to me
to make a decision at some point. So if he
does believe I can make it, make a play and
make a change, no, I'll do it, and if not,
you know, somebody else has to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Look at him. If you didn't know what position he played,
and you just said, this guy at the podium, guess
which position he played, It's like Dwight Free. He'd be
like rush end. You see that that too, that touchdown
when he's running over people.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Now, as a thrower, I think he was twelve of
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It is a complete work in progress. It's not for
the lax arm strength or coach ability because he like that.
He'll make throws, but he is just not there. I
was told by an NFL GM Jalen Milroe is a
more polished version of Anthony Richardson, which to me is
very draftable. Because I think you have because he only
played thirteen college games, I don't think you can. I
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think you just have to wait till the years done.
You have to look at it. Give him one more year.
I mean, if you have the quarterback in the first
round that's that physically gifted, you got to give him
a third year.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Very young guy and.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Nice kid, coachable, hard worker, like everybody likes the kid.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If the Texans, they gotta be careful here. This Colts
team can pass them. There's a chance that the Texans
missed the playoffs. Texans just don't look crisp. I mean
a culture. You know, this is a game against the Patriots,
a bottom feeder. By the way, any thoughts of Drake
may watching that game.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Drake can play, they're fun. I think he's good, you know,
I think he's good too.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean he's got to argue with the weakest receiving
course every past you're like, who is that guy? Okay,
Shawn Bhute, whoever that is?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, like they drafted him in the sixth round.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Then throwing a sixth round guy, like that's your tire target.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can come here for mock draft information. That guy
nails it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Vital story is uh Baker Mayfield in the Bucks. How
about this thriller in Carolina?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I didn't watch that game.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Was Corner TV again, you missed out man. So Tampa,
you know they couldn't stop Bryce Young Lordsly. He had
a great Hey, he's had a good month. Oh he's
been tremendous. He put them ahead with thirty seconds left,
but Baker got him in field goal range and the
kid hit a bomb in overtime, tough fumble by the
running back from the Panthers, and then Tampa gets in
field goal range and wins it. Bucky Irving I thought
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was the second story here?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Dude, he is he is good. Yeah, they have a
lot of depth running did they drafted? What round was he?
Because that guy's a stud.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They got three running backs and Tucker so they got
Mike Evans is still like an ageless wonder. The Bucks
and Falcons tied at the top of the division.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Who's Tampa play next?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'd have to look that up, but they're both six
and six and the Falcons on the tie breaker, which
is not great for Tampa.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Bucky frown.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, here we go, Here we go. Atlanta at Minnesota
this week.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh, that's not a good spot.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's a tall order. Meanwhile, Tampa Bay has the Raiders
on deck. Raiders are awful, by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Raiders play hard.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Tampa closes out with Cooper Rush Derrek.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sorry that is the Oh my lord Baker Mayfield in
the playoffs. Well, Atlanta's schedules garbage too, though.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then yeah they're facing who I don't know who,
The Giants have a quarterback. And then they got Vegas
as well in Tarrotlina. That Washington game is gonna be
a tough one because Washington's gonna be fighting for a playoffs, Buty.
I like Washington. Yeah, Baker Mayfield, good story if he
gets to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
When you got the Raiders at the end of your schedule,
you're in a good space. When you got a Raiders, Caroline, did.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
You really say they started ten rookies on things giving
Raiders played ten rookies.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, Raiders play hard. He's played coaching them up. No, No,
he the effort they get. They're playing a third of
their or half their starters or rookies. They're playing rookies everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Rock Bowlers had fifteen targets in SAE.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Guys Horse, I mean you have to go like Callen
Winslow junior for a prospect to tight end at Gibson.
I mean he is something else. Jmckle the news, Well
that's the news, and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
We got. We got a lot of stuff going on.
Poor Albert Breer. That was a tough one for him.
The you know, I was watching that college overtime thing
with Georgia and Georgia Tech. I don't like college overtime.
First of all, you don't want overtime to last very long.
Why because it affects you're gonna get more guys hurt.
How many Georgia guys are wabbling off the field. So
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it's like, did anybody sit around in a in a
college committee room and go, here's an idea. Yea, let's
do two point conversions. It could last all night and
nobody went, Now, that's a bad idea. They're college kids
that could get hurt. Anybody gone skiing before the two
or three times I've been hurt. Skiing is to like
the last run of the day. You're tired, your shot,
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your legs buckle, you know it's yard sale. Your skis
over there, pulls over there, you don't have anything left.
Guys get hurt at the end of football games. You
always had a theory on what overtime should be. In
the NFL. Everything's built for the home team to win.
You can't hear you always get a break at home.
So in overtime in the NFL, the road team always
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gets the ball first, first point score. So what does
that do? It forces the home team to be aggressive.
Home teams like, let's just go to overtime, we can
win it. No, no, no, home team's got to be
super aggressive, and if a home team's being aggressive, a
road team will, so just give the road team ball
first to the road team. The road team may not
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be very good offensively and they don't want it, and
they could elect to give it up, but the road
team gets the call in overtime, just for the first possession.
Because everything is built in the NFL, if you win
the Super Bowl, you draft last. Everything's built for parody.
College football is not. But I still think it works
in college football. I mean, if you have nineteen twenty
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year old kids and you have thirteen possessions, and you're
a home team in college and you can't put it away,
road team gets the ball first. First score wins and
college special teams are awful, so you'd have to score
a touchdown. Nobody in college has a kicker, it's like
one a year. So I always thought, you want the
overtime and stopped this whole thing. Well, it's not fair.
You had thirteen possessions. That was the fair part. Now,
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now let's end this thing as quickly as we can.
Road teams, college and pro you get the choice, do
you want it or do you want to defend it?
First point? Score this whole thing about fairness. If you
ever thought to yourself in college football, you know, this
sport is not have than have nots perdue may win
a national championship. The whole damn sport is a hierarchy.
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Let's stop the fairness thing. You want to end overtime
as soon as possible, not to get players hurt. Even
in the NFL, there's like they've done studies on this.
Teams that go to overtime a have more injuries and
lose the following week on average. You know this whole
let's go to the thirteen. It was embarrassing kind of
(35:30):
is At some point you're like, this is as bad
for college football. Live in LA the Herds.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
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Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm watching the Eagles Ravens last night, and my
take is Philadelphia brutal first quarter, then they start putting
it away and Baltimore's missing field goal field goal pat
by Justin Tucker. And you know Baltimore this year is
a heavy, heavily penalized team, very reliant on Derreck Henry
and Lamar j Accon and z A Flowers and Mark Andrews.
They're great players, They're very reliant on their offense, but
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their special teams for years has got into the tank.
It was so good for years. And John Harball is
a former special teams coach. Justin Tucker, that was always
like one of their specialties. They'd steal two or three
wins a year on special teams. And their defense on
the back end. Kyle Hamilton's amazing, but it's pretty you know,
it's pretty limited. But I think a lot of it's
just Philadelphia. From Jalen Carter, who's unblockable. They nailed a
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couple of draft picks in the secondary at corner one
from Toledo, and I think Philadelphia is They're really good.
I think today Philadelphia would beat Detroit neutral field or
maybe Detroit. I think i'd take Philadelphia. Remember, Detroit's a
dome team and Philadelphia is used to outdoors. That's a
big advantage. Jared Goff historically very very good indoors above
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sixty degrees, and so when I watched Buffalo or I
watched Philadelphia, it looks like they're made for the elements.
And here's Matt Hasselback, who's been a big supporter of
Nick Seriani on why he's higher on the Eagles than most.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's a really good coach.
I think the Eagles are a really good team. I
feel like I like the Eagles more than Eagles fans
like the Eagles, which is in a weird.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Way, like I believe in them more.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
No, listen, I thought, like yesterday's game, they coached around
their injury situation. Injury situation, they didn't have DeVante Smith,
and so they said, okay, you know what we are
going to be.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know a lot of people talk about RPO.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
The Eagles in that game, they were an RRO offense,
a run or a run option.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
It's winning football. Dick Fangio does a great job.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
I've told you Kellen Moore is learning his guys, and
really it's a one to two punch in the defense
is off balance. I thought they mixed up tempo. I
just I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's got his
team focused each and every week. And we pay attention
to some of the antics, like on game day. But
I think if you look at that team like Monday
to Saturday, they're locked in.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They don't have distractions.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now, think about the teams that are gonna play well
in bad weather. Obviously Buffalo, strong armed quarterback, good old line,
run game, tough defense. Pittsburgh, although they're a little reliant
sometimes on the deep pass, good defense, russ can move.
So Pittsburgh I think, is built for bad weather, and they,
you know, practice planet. Buffalo built for bad weather. Kansas
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City with Isaiah Pacheco back, their interior O line for
the chiefs guard center guard's good. So I think Kansas City,
I think Buffalo, I think Pittsburgh. I think those teams,
and Denver a little bit. I think they're built for
cold weather. If you look at the NFC, I think
Philadelphia is built for cold weather. I think green Bay
now with Josh Jacobs, they're a power run team. I
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think green Bay is built for cold weather. I think
Philadelphia is. I think Seattle. I like Walker and Sharbonday.
I think they're kind of built for cold weather. I'm
not sure if Washington is or Minnesota is. Yeah, Listen,
there's I've been saying this for the last week or two,
is that January February football is just It's December January February.
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It's just different. Football, and there are certain teams like
I don't think there's any question Atlanta's not built for
cold weather. Kirk Cousins, I don't feel like they're I
don't Detroit's built to win football games. I don't think
ideally they're built for cold weather, although they're just losing
so many people on the defensive side. I don't know
if Washington's built for cold weather. And then when you
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go to the AFC, I don't think the Houston Texans
necessarily are built for cold weather. It matters the Chargers
just the Chargers actually are. But now they got running
back health issues, and they got wide receiver issues, and
I think they're ahead of schedule. I could argue that
even though they're a Dome team, if the Colts made
the playoffs, Anthony Richardson Jonathan Taylor and their tight ends,
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they're actually in their defensive front. I could argue that Indy,
strangely is built for cold weather. As a Dome team,
they don't want to get in shootouts. That's not what
they do. But keep your eye on Denver tonight. J
Mack is a Verver. He didn't like bone Nicks at all.
You're not a Bonix guy.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Just because I'm not all about him like you are,
it doesn't mean I'm not I'm out on him.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Did you Okay, let's show the video. Did you watch
brock Purty against Josh Allen last night?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You mean in the Blizzard?
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I watched that.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Well that's how you have to win games in
December and January brock Purty slash Mac Jones. Did you
see what he looked like? How about he threw the
ball flop down?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's stock coming.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You just don't like rock Perty it's five.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's not that I don't like him, but if I'm
gonna pay him forty five to fifty million, it can't
look like that in the snow.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
You can lose, you can lose like Justin Herbert would
lose or c J straup with. But it can't look
like that. It can't look like best quarterback in the
league and whatever that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It can't look like so Tua got how much money
to to it?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well? I know, and that's my point. So when you
watch Miami go to Green Bay, Tua.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Didn't play awful in Green Bay, but he's winless when it's.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They looked cold they coached cold.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I think they've had a season high for misstackles throughout
the league, the defense and the twenty one miss tackles.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Twenty four to three and a half. Yeah, I mean
it was just I mean, it's just so funny to
watch Miami play in cold weather. You can see it.
You could just they just look like they want to
get in a flight and go home at half.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
By the way, Detroit, I know they're a Dome team,
but they're running game with Montgomery and Jimms. He is
built with the great offensive line.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But if you play in Philadelphia, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
The big question is golf. He has turned into a
pumpkin before in cold weather outdoors. There's a specific Chicago
game memory when he was with the Rams Sunday Night football,
like one of the worst cold weather performances I can recall.
We'll see Ben Johnson's gonna have some stuff ready. You
know that he's always auditioning for jobs.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Unbolievable. I like Denver tonight score thirty twenty. I'll go
thirteen to nine Browns
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at Tower three. We are flying through today and a Monday.
We got where are all stacked? Denver Broncos tonight hosting
the Cleveland Browns. I'll be texting Jmax, Jmax. You at
bow Nick's past, Courtland Sutton, Franklin mimes whoever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Mimes for?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
From Oklahoma? Marvin Marvin mim.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
There's another kid, Frank Oregon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, if they win tonight, they're the playoffs. They're waving
at everybody else because the Colts are right behind them
and they can't pass.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The Colts could pass the Texans day the Texans. What
is going on with those guys?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
The Texans are good. I like the Colts roster. I
like the Texans quarterback. I'm gonna go with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I don't think both Nicks will do anything as impressive
as Anthony Richardson's ninety yard game winning drive and the
two point conversion. If you watch that, it was like,
I mean, Richardson had like eighty yards passing.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Leading into that I know, and he delivered. I was like, Okay,
that game was weirdly entertaining.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It was football. It was just awesome yesterday honestly, eight
hours of a four days eating like four days of leftover.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I once saw that Georgia Georgia Tech game. That thing
I was I hate college overtime, but it is what
it is. Albert Breer, who was front and center as
a Buck guy. Bad weekend for Albert. Other stuff percolating
in the NFL don't go anywhere. The Bills continue to
look like a Super Bowl contender. Hammered the Niners on
Sunday Night Football, But last night Buffalo reminded me of
an eight year old on the first day of winter snowfall.
(01:58):
They were having the time of their baby. I think
what you were watching last night is the champion that
never was San Francisco and the potential champion that should
be Buffalo, and the reason Buffalo should win A Ringer three.
Josh Allen ran for a touchdown, through for a touchdown,
caught a touchdown. Nothing he can't do, missing a couple
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of top offensive performers. Mah six straight games, thirty plus
points on a driving snowstorm. We've been saying this, when
you get Superman, you don't want to overuse him. And
for years they didn't have a home run hitter at
running back. Now they do. They had drama at wide receiver,
now they don't. They add kin Kid Dalton kin Kaid
(02:43):
a great tight end. They've always had a great left tackle.
They've rebuilt their offensive line. This is the best version
of Buffalo, and I believe in the AFC they've sort
of separated Baltimore the defense, special teams, reliability. Joe Burrow
has the worst defense in the last decade. Kansas City's flawed.
The Chargers are not dynamic enough, and the Steelers. I
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like them. I was wrong on the Steelers, but I
don't think their ceiling is Buffalo. They are built. The
Bills are just they had a ball last night. I
mean they're the only team that plays in snow. They
don't have like a heating system under it. No, that's okay.
We're six and zero at home. We're having the time
of our lives. We'll lean into it. They are built
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for January and February football. You watched Miami go to
Chili Green Bay, They're like, can we get back on
the flight home? Even the uniforms Dolphins in Green Bay,
it doesn't work. Buffalo's built for this stuff. You look
at the dynasties of the NFL. They've been Green Bay
right Oh, they're Kansas City, It's New England, it's the Baltimore's,
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it's the Steelers. Cold weather, January, February, and a sport
mostly played outdoors. Buffalo's got all the elements. A strong
armed corps. Don't have one of those in Miami. The
ball can get through this. A strong run game, sometimes windy,
you got to just hand it off, good old line,
tough defensive culture. Snow games generally don't do it for me,
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except if it's the Bills. You know, it's Elvis in Vegas.
It just works, you know, it just works. And Josh
Allen is you're set of all weather tires, I mean,
and then you're watching them have the time of their lives.
On the other side, it's San Francisco, I said a
week ago. It's time to tear this puppy down. People
push back, that's not true or close. No, you're not.
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Christian McAffrey hurt again, Fred Warner hurt. Trent Allen Bosa
didn't play. Folks. Put up the signs, liquidation sale, get
draft picks the sooner. San Francisco admits this puppies over.
The better reinforcements are not coming. Stop drafting wide receivers.
Get Kyle Shanahan away from the personnel department. It ruined
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Bill Belichick and Bill O'Brien and among other things, John
Gruden didn't help Pete Carroll. Get Shanahan away from personnel.
Go back to being a strong, forceful team. Run first.
Brock perty He's not a guy you can rely on
in January and February if he's got a play in
cold weather or against you know, he's not a Joe Burrow.
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He's not a La Ma Holmes. He's not He's not
a I don't think he's a Jalen Hurts in terms
of playmaking. That's not what he is. He doesn't throw
it as well as golf or move as well as
Jalen Hurts in the NFC or Jordan love So. San Francisco.
The sooner they can come to terms with it, the better.
But what you were watching last night is the champion
that never was San Francisco and they're gonna struggle letting
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go of this puppy. It's over. Reinforcements aren't coming tear
it down to the studs. And on the other side,
you saw a Bills team once again dominate the AFC East.
They're going to win this division as long as Josh
Allen is in his prime, which is five more years,
just like Bred And here's Josh after this.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
One feels a little bit different. You know this early
in the season. We still got five games left. At
the same time, we're chasing the one seed. We understand that,
we know that, and we got to keep getting better
each and every week.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So but it's it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean to go out there and play free and
play relax and play loose.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I think that that could be a dangerous team.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
A lot of sports, when it comes to team sports,
is taking advantage of these tiny windows. Kansas City's flawed,
Baltimore and Cincinnati defense not up to spot stuff, and
you start looking at Pittsburgh ceiling. This is the year
for Buffalo, They're mostly healthy. They could get the number
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one seed. They've got a superstar quarterback, good front office,
no chaos in coaching, and they've had a little bit
of that in the coordinator head coaching space. This feels
like the year for the Bills. I want to talk
about this next. The Steelers beat the Bengals forty four
to thirty eight. So for years and years I defended
Russell Wilson. I think everybody liked him. Let Russ cook
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and then it ended poorly. Then he went to Denver.
It was a bit of a mess. He and Sean
Payton personalities clash. He went to Pittsburgh. In my take was,
I think the players are going to like justin fieldsmore young,
relatable athletic. But the one thing the Steelers haven't been,
and I mean even in the Big Ben days, Big
Ben Prime days, they've always been loose, a little overly dramatic, loud,
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and undisciplined offensively. And Mike Tomlin needed Russell Wilson and Frankly,
Russell Wilson needed Mike Tomlin a head coach that isn't
looking over his shoulder in the meeting rooms. Mike Let's
offense do offense. And I don't know if this team
Pittsburgh's going to beat Philly in two weeks or Baltimore
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in three. But Tomlin and Russell Wilson are perfect. Russell
is the adult in the room for an offense that's
desperately needed that for a year. He's focused, he's driven,
he's aspirational, he's grateful, he's serious, he's disciplined. He doesn't
turn the ball over, and defensive coaches like that. And
here's the thing. Both Tomlin and Russell Wilson have trophies,
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have healthy confidence. I think they're good people. Both got humbled.
Tomlin kept hearing, bro, you can't win playoff games, Brady Manning.
Mike Tomlin had to look himself in the mirror and go,
you know what, I got to get a grown up
ruin this offense. And Justin Fields had a winning record.
He pulled him out, gave it to Russ. Tomlin got
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nothing but crap, and he was right. He was right.
He's like, I need a senior statesman. And by the way,
Russell Wilson figured out in Denver, you know what, I'm
probably going to be a complimentary piece. I can't be
the savior for football teams. So before Russell Wilson arrived,
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the last several years with Pittsburgh, there was one way
to win, create turnovers, mostly low scoring, played really well
as an underdog, not necessarily as a favorite. Forty four
thirty eight wins over Joe Burrow were not available to
this franchise in the last several years, and now they are.
So there's multiple ways to win. And I mean, in
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my entire life, every really great Steeler team has had
two things, a great tough defense and a quarterback that
could beat you over the top from Terry Bradshaw of
Big Ben, and that is Russell Wilson's primary asset now
at his age, he'll beat you down the field. And
the last time the Steelers finished in the top ten
in the offense, Andrew Luck was starting for the Colts.
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So it has been a while where they had a
quarterback that would couple with a defense and a Mike
Tomlin and a Chuck Knowle or a Bill Cower that
could burn you if you weren't honest. And it gives
the Steelers now multiple ways to win. And Mike Tomlin
and Russell Wilson, there's no clash of personalities. Sean Payton
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sees offense a certain way, Russell didn't play it that way.
Clash right, and then Russell saw the world a certain way.
And by the end Pete Carroll didn't. The Tomlin Russell
thing works. Here's the coach after thought.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Our group, you know, smiled in the face of it,
particularly Russ. You know, it's the first time for him
going through this AFC North football. And then I thought
he acclimated himself to a well today he put himself
squarely in the history of these series, in this series
with that performance today, Man, we're thankful for.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I'll tell you there was a moment after the game.
It was one of those in the hallway gestures where
Tomlin grabbed Russ and gave him a hug, and you
could really see the affection Tomlin understands. And this has
been Pittsburgh even during the Big Ben days. Is Mike
is a very emotional coach. His Steelers are tough, physical,
they're emotional and sometimes with young players, you know, you
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got to have a grown up on the offensive side,
because Mike will monitor the defensive side. But it's always
been the offense and you're like, you're a little noisy,
you're a little loud, You're a lot buttoned up. And
that's what Russ brings. Disciplined focus, grown up, grateful, aspirational driven.
That's exactly what they needed, and the fit works. I
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didn't think it did. I didn't think it would. It does.
All sorts of good stuff left Albert Breer, the buck
guy around the corner. A lot of people want Ryan daygone.
I'll just say more chaos will ensue. I still contend
Texas is the best team that a bad Saturday at
home against Georgia. I think Ohio State, Tennessee, and Oregon
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are my best bats. I just don't think george is
good enough. I think it Tennessee, Ohio State, and Oregon.
Wouldn't be shocked if any of those ended up playing Texas.
But I don't count the Buckeyes out. They've got too
much talent and they don't have to play Michigan again.
They don't match up with Michigan. Michigan is in Ohio
State's Let's let's wait the calendar year and see if
we go next year.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
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Speaker 1 (12:12):
After the game, the shocking Michigan went over Ohio State
in Columbus, there was the flag planting incident, which was ugly,
but it happened all over the country, so somebody will
put a kai bosh to that, but it was it was.
It was pepper spray and not good and put a
little stain on the game as Michigan shocked the world.
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A team that can't master the forward pass this year
beat Ohio State. Here was Wolverine's running back Khalil Mullings
after the game with Jenny Taft.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
At the end of the day, you know, some people
gotta they got to learn how to lose. Man, you
can't can't be fighting and stuff just because he lost
the game. You know, all that fighting, We had sixty minutes,
We have four quarters to do all that fighting, and
now people want to talk and fight.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
That's wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
You know, this is bad for the game. Class lists
in my opinion, h you know, and and people people
got to be better.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, let's go to a reporter, a journalist, Albert Breer. Yes, yes,
he went to Ohio Stateton's a bit bitter today.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
But what that was a convenient opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You didn't mention the flag planning.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well what do you make I mean, does it bother you?
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Like I think if you win the game, you have
the right to do what you want to do. But
that doesn't mean you get to do what you want
to do without repercussion. And if you are going to
dance on a logo or plan a flag, you should
expect to fight.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
That's just what it is.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Because what you are doing then, as you are saying,
not only did I beat you, I'm going to go
ahead and disrespect you, disrespect your program, and I mean
to me at least, like I think that is picking
a fight. Yeah, so if you are picking a fight,
you need to be ready for a fight. Coil bowings,
That's that's the score here. Like you want to plant
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your flag, no problem, You do what you need to do,
But you cannot do that without expecting repercussion.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Listening to him talk, it was almost like he had
missed the whole part about planning the flag, Like planning
the flag is what started the fight. When you plant
the flag in that rivalry, you should know what's going
to happen. And you know, I I agree with the
Big Ten's decision to to to find both sides. Yeah,
because one side picked a fight the other through oblige
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the other side obliged the side to pick the fight
with a fight.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Why not just out We have a picture of you
at the game as you were watching the flag planning. Uh,
you very very distress.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Is this actually during the flag planning?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, it looks like it was at any point in
the game watching your offense, and from what I can,
from what I could tell, but why not just banned
flag planning? Because I mean, by the way Sark in
the A and M games, like he got his in
front of his longhorns and he's like, get out of here.
We're not getting involved on the road with that stuff.
How about just ban it period in college football? How
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about that?
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
I mean, that'd be up to the powers to be
you know, I think I think it's stupid anyway, don't
you call him?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Like?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yeah, like most of these fields are terf So what
happens when you plant the flag as you jam it
into the ground and then it falls over? Yeah, so
it's like it doesn't even stick there, which makes it
like like even more stupid. So uh, if they want to,
if they don't, if they want to ban it, that's fine.
I actually like kind of like field storming. Like I
think field storming is like a good, good clean fun
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like a college activity, you know what I mean, Like
in as long as everybody is you know, like everybody's
not a psycho about it, like you know, like.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
That can be fine.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
If they wanted to blag to to to ban flag
planning because it's causing fights, like I I wouldn't have
a huge problem with that. Let me, by the way,
you notice to thank for all. This is your old
buddy Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Hey, he's always been a pioneer. Let me ask you
I and I said this Ohio State can't be a
first job. I mean, listen, Dan Lanning has worked at Oregon,
but it's a big job. I've said. It reminds me
of Mark Rick at Georgia quarterback coach. You get a
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big brand. I think Ryan Day's fine, but there is
something to be said about steps. You don't start it
where you work right now and write. You go to
the local paper, a bigger local paper. Then you maybe
you're a secondary reporter at a big space, then you
become the columnist. There are steps to life, is it?
Is it possible that Ryan Day here he's still figuring
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out how to coach because I don't even know what
Ohio State's identity is as a program. I just know
they're talented.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's fair.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
You know, Look like, I think a big part of
that job is understanding the terms of employment, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And yeah, when I was in school there, John Cooper
was the coach.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah, and you know, I know that that's a that's
a third rail name for a lot of people. But
I I remember thinking, like, and I'm not from Ohio,
but a lot of my fans is from the Midwest,
and my family is Big ten, and.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So I felt like I had an understanding of it.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
I think until you're in it, you don't really know
sure how important the rivalry is and how the rivalry,
how you approach the rivalry is really important.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Here's what I mean by that.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
I think every coach who's coaching Ohio State feels the pressure.
But how do you approach the pressure? Do you think
the pressure is a burden? Do you feel like you're
a victim of the pressure or do you think the
pressure is a privilege? And do you think being in
those shoes is a privilege? And I think that that
can be the subtle difference sometimes, like Urban and you
guys work with him. I was at the game in
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sixteen that was the one where Curtis Samuel you know,
scores at the end in overtime. I think it's still
the only overtime game in the history of the series.
And and Urban like kind of falls to the ground.
I watched Urban for a lot of overtime to where
we were sitting. He had kind of a clear look
at him, and it looked like he was going to
have a heart attack, damn near the whole time, Like
it looked like he was about to keel over and die.
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And like, so you can't tell me that guy didn't
feel the pressure. But I never heard Urban ever.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Scuffle against the pressure or you know, feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
It was just like he viewed like that is like
a privilege, you know, like that that he was in
that role, Like yeah, it's hard, but like he viewed
that as a privilege. And I sort of felt the
same way with Trussell, So I love Ryan as a
person as a coach, Like I just I wonder sometimes
like do you fully embrace it? Do you fully embrace
the terms of employment, Because I think the guys who've
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been successful at Ohio State, and obviously Ohio State's ceiling
has always been higher than Michigan's for a variety of
different reasons, and the pressure there's always been more intense
than it is at Michigan, and the winning has been
more consistent and the bars higher on all the evidence
shows that are you.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Willing to embrace all of that?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
And are you willing to say, you know what, these
two games that we're going to play at the end
of the year do matter more the game for the
game against Michigan, the game in the Big Ten title game,
the playoff game, whatever it is, Like, that's.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
How I'm judged you.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
It's not by beating Iowa in the middle of October.
It's not by beating Indiana. It's by beating Michigan, winning
the Big Ten, winning the national title. So I just
think a huge part of, you know, a coach's ability
to succeed in that job comes down to how willing
he is to embrace those stamps all right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Two NFL things I have to get to first, is
the Bears a great job? And is there a leader
in the clubhouse? I hear Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
What do you hear?
Speaker 8 (19:24):
So, Like, I know a lot of people are going
to look at it and say they need an offensive guru.
I don't really agree with that. I think they need
somebody who's going to be willing to stand up to ownership,
to stand up to the front office, to really be
a leader not just of the guys in the locker room,
but of the organization.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I think if you look over the course of the
last fifteen years or so, there's something that's broken there.
And they've gone back and forth an offensive coach a
defensive coach, from a player's coach to a task master.
And I think in the process, you're right, they've lost
like any sort.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Of identity in who they are. So I think they
need somebody to come in and establish an identity.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And I need to think they need somebody who's gonna
be willing to stand up and and and and if
ownership's wrong about something, tell them like, hey, you're doing
this the wrong way. If the front office is wrong
about something, tell them like, no, we cannot do.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Things this way.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
And so like I I have my eyes on guys,
and I think it's sort of similar to what Detroit needed,
you know. So you know, I Ben Johnson is a
name that's been you know, throwing around there for over
a year, and I think at one point he really
wanted that job. I'm not sure that if that's the
case as much anymore, but I'd look at a Bill Belichick,
I'd look at a Mike Vrabel, I'd look at you know,
if you're you know, want an assistant to turn them
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into a head coach, like an Aaron Glenn who's been
in Dan Campbell's program, you know, and who is a
former player. I just think they need a really strong
personality who has an idea of the identity he wants
to establish, who's going to stick to that identity, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think one of the most impressive things about Detroit
Colin is.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Those guys stood there on day one and they said
they were going to build something, and they built exactly
what they said they were going to build. I think
that's what Chicago needs more than they need just some
guy who's going to develop one player on the roster.
So we get into this discussion during the break. I'm like,
if I'm Pittsburgh, and I mean some of it is
Russell Wilson historically doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You got these TJ. Watt players that you got to
You got to chase the ring when you have them,
these historically great players. And I think Russell's a free
agent after the season. What's wrong with signing him? Do
a three year deal at thirty million large? Is that crazy?
Because I'm watching him play, He's highly effective. Well, you
can't let Russell Wilson go.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Can you.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Well, their their policy is not to sign guys in season,
and that's a long standing policy. And you can say
it's stupid and they should make an exception, and maybe
they should, but they just haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And I do think, like just having to talk to
people there, they want the full body.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Of work, right like, So they want the body of work,
what it looks like in the regular season, what looks
like in the postseason? How Justin Fields is going to
figure into all of this, because remember he's a free
agent too. I just think they want the old body
of work. And you know, part of it too, is
like over time, teams are going to build up some
more tape on how Arthur Smith is deploying Russell Wilson,
So where's your CounterPunch? There are all sorts of things
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that play into that. So I think they're comfortable with
where they're at right now. They'd still love for Fields
to have, you know, future with the franchise as well,
But I think you're right, Like you could look at
Russell Wilson now and how he's married up with what
Arthur Smith is doing with him on offense and say
this could be an effective bridge where for the next
year or two, like he can get us to whoever
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our long term guy is going to be. I just
don't think it's going to happen in season because they've
never done it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Let me ask one more question, niners. I mean, I'm
telling you watching party against Josh Allen in the snow.
I mean it was it was Mac Jones and Josh Allen.
It was nothing special. Are you you're sure they're given
purty the bag?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Now I can tell you like people that are flat
out told me that that's the plan and they d
you did for that, and that they're preparing.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
They've been preparing to do that.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
You know, I don't know where negotiations are going to go.
And we know the Niners have had some protracted negotiations
over the last few years, right So they had one
with Nick Bosa, they have one with Brandon Aiyuk, they
had one with Deebo Samuel. A couple of those got
to the point where you know, the idea of making
a trade was on the table.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
So you know they've they've fought through these things in
the past.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Obviously, a quarterback is a little different because you've got
to know who you're starting quarterback is going to be
in March, and so like I think for the Niners,
it's going to be about sitting down and starting the
process of this early. The last time they were in
a situation like this with Jimmy Garoppolo, they got that
deal done, if you remember, in January. So I'd expect
that they're going to be aggressive and trying to pursue
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a deal with Brock Perdy whether the season ends at
the right end of the regular season or at some
point in the playoffs, you know, and then you see
where it goes.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
The one thing that does.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Kind of make it interesting though, Colin, if you do
want to, if you, if you, if you do want
to stir the pod a little on this is that
Sam Darnold's had.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A great year, he was in their system.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
He'll be a free agent. Yeah, And then Kirk Cousins
contract is tradable. So right there you have two guys
who are legitimate starting quarterbacks in the league this year
where you could look at them and say, experience in
Kyle Shanahan system, either of those guys could work. So
if you're looking for like a leverage point that the
Niners have with Brackbrock party where they could say, take
our offer at forty, take our offer at thirty five,
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or else we'll go get this guy for that price,
that certainly could exist as an element in the negotiation.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Good stuff, Albert Breer. Let's see that sad picture, because
I've never seen Albert sad. He's such a joyful human being.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
This man didn't get any happy pictures of me.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
See this is the picture. This is the picture that
I get to send to my buddies. Now, see my
buddy Ron there on my right, my buddy Reagan. Nick
is over Reagan's shoulder shock Trigono's out there for some reason.
But yeah, like I like this is the picture that
I got to send to my buddies.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I kind of look like a congressman, though, don't.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I You look like a you look like a senator
who just got beat in the midterms or something.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's just, uh, it looks like you hang around a
bunch of tough guys. I would look like, uh, you
had some fun in college. That's what it looks like
to me.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Absolutely, we definitely did all right.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Good seeing you, buddy. Don't worry. You're gonna be fine.
Just gotta get another star quarterback. You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hey, not to your bus, not of your bus.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now that's it. I still like you. In the championship,
you were Oregon against Texas. There you go. I'll let's go.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Let's go college.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
When everybody's bailing on a good program, everybody's bailing on
Ohio State, slow down. Just I just don't want to
play in Michigan again, but slow down. I watched Georgia
this weekend, I'm watching Miami, I'm watching and Texas looks
here and every I'm gonna stay with just Oregon. Tennessee,
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Ohio State and Texas. If if the Valls win a Natty,
who I Am going to be obnoxious. That's all I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
J McK with the news, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Speaking of obnoxious, how about the Commanders. This was one
of your best calls. I'm surprised you're not doing a
victory lap here in the offseason. You were higher on
them than everyone. They snapped a three game skid on
Sunday with a big win over the Titans. Jade Daniels
was on fire early. Washington scored TDS on their first
four possessions. Daniels accounted for four of the scores, throwing
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for three, adding one on the ground. They outgained Tennessee
by over two hundred yards and they're back in the
mix for, you know, locking up a playoff spot. Jaydenon Daniels,
by the way, improving his offensive Rookie of the Year odds.
He's now minus two twenty bo nick second Brock Bowers
has overtaken Caleb Williams for fourth.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Any thought of the Commander's rousing victory. I think they
have a bye week, then they go to New Orleans.
I think they're gonna win that game and they're gonna
be own free. The weird one is the NFC South
where it's like I picked Atlanta to win Kirk Cousins
off the rails, and you know Baker is you know
Baker can deliver when Baker's backed into a corner. And
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I like Tampa's roster. So if I had to bet today,
I'd probably take Tampa over Atlanta. But Atlanta beat him
twice already, so had they had a bitch tied that
goes with the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That Seattle Arizona matchup.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
This is that one on Fox. That's a good matchup.
By the way, what's the line on that? I like,
Are you favor Arizona's favorite?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I don't know that I agree with I would
guess I think Seattle's such. I like the Seahawks team.
Then I know they've kind of no show in the
first quarter against the Jets, but I think they're they're
a dangerous team playing at home in January.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's as in Arizona.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
No, No, I'm just saying in the playoffs, I like Seattle,
but yeah, they got to get their first at Arizona
this week. Washington is a dangerous seven seeds. They got
to get Eckler back. He's on the ir now with
that concussion. But Brian Robinson looked good the defense. By
the way, Marshawn Lattimore sounds like he's gonna play this
coming week. That's said big for Washington. Up next, how
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about this one Colin the Colts and Anthony Richardson with
an incredible game winning drive. Yep, there's Richardson with the
game winning TD toss. And then they went for two
instead of playing for overtime and Richardson just bulldozed us
into the end zone. Incredible, awesome. It was a nineteen
play eighty yard drive for the win. Shaanstike and decided
to go for two. And here's Richardson having with the
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ball in.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
His hands, no doubt. Whenever has a situation like that,
I would like to ball on my hand because I
feel like I can make it play. But it's up
a coach. You know, it's not really up to me
to make a decision at some point. So if he
does believe I can make it, make a play and
make a change, no, I'll do it, and if not,
you know, somebody else has to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Look at him. If you didn't know what position he played,
and you just said, this guy at the podium, guess
which position he played, It's like Dwight Free. He'd be
like rush end. You see that that too, that touchdown
when he's running over people.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Now, as a thrower, I think he was twelve of
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It is a complete work in progress. It's not for
the lax arm strength or coach ability because he like that.
He'll make throws, but he is just not there. I
was told by an NFL GM Jalen Milroe is a
more polished version of Anthony Richardson, which to me is
very draftable. Because I think you have because he only
played thirteen college games, I don't think you can. I
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think you just have to wait till the years done.
You have to look at it. Give him one more year.
I mean, if you have the quarterback in the first
round that's that physically gifted, you got to give him
a third year.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Very young guy and.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Nice kid, coachable, hard worker, like everybody likes the kid.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If the Texans, they gotta be careful here. This Colts
team can pass them. There's a chance that the Texans
missed the playoffs. Texans just don't look crisp. I mean
a culture. You know, this is a game against the Patriots,
a bottom feeder. By the way, any thoughts of Drake
may watching that game.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Drake can play, they're fun. I think he's good, you know,
I think he's good too.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean he's got to argue with the weakest receiving
course every past you're like, who is that guy? Okay,
Shawn Bhute, whoever that is?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know, like they drafted him in the sixth round.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Then throwing a sixth round guy, like that's your tire target.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can come here for mock draft information. That guy
nails it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Vital story is uh Baker Mayfield in the Bucks. How
about this thriller in Carolina?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I didn't watch that game.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Was Corner TV again, you missed out man. So Tampa,
you know they couldn't stop Bryce Young Lordsly. He had
a great Hey, he's had a good month. Oh he's
been tremendous. He put them ahead with thirty seconds left,
but Baker got him in field goal range and the
kid hit a bomb in overtime, tough fumble by the
running back from the Panthers, and then Tampa gets in
field goal range and wins it. Bucky Irving I thought
(30:49):
was the second story here?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Dude, he is he is good. Yeah, they have a
lot of depth running did they drafted? What round was he?
Because that guy's a stud.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
They got three running backs and Tucker so they got
Mike Evans is still like an ageless wonder. The Bucks
and Falcons tied at the top of the division.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Who's Tampa play next?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Do we know?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'd have to look that up, but they're both six
and six and the Falcons on the tie breaker, which
is not great for Tampa.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Bucky frown.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, here we go, Here we go. Atlanta at Minnesota
this week.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh, that's not a good spot.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's a tall order. Meanwhile, Tampa Bay has the Raiders
on deck. Raiders are awful, by the way.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Raiders play hard.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Tampa closes out with Cooper Rush Derrek.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sorry that is the Oh my lord Baker Mayfield in
the playoffs. Well, Atlanta's schedules garbage too, though.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And then yeah they're facing who I don't know who,
The Giants have a quarterback. And then they got Vegas
as well in Tarrotlina. That Washington game is gonna be
a tough one because Washington's gonna be fighting for a playoffs, Buty.
I like Washington. Yeah, Baker Mayfield, good story if he
gets to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
When you got the Raiders at the end of your schedule,
you're in a good space. When you got a Raiders, Caroline, did.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
You really say they started ten rookies on things giving
Raiders played ten rookies.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
No, Raiders play hard. He's played coaching them up. No, No,
he the effort they get. They're playing a third of
their or half their starters or rookies. They're playing rookies everywhere.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Rock Bowlers had fifteen targets in SAE.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Guys Horse, I mean you have to go like Callen
Winslow junior for a prospect to tight end at Gibson.
I mean he is something else. Jmckle the news, Well
that's the news, and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
We got. We got a lot of stuff going on.
Poor Albert Breer. That was a tough one for him.
The you know, I was watching that college overtime thing
with Georgia and Georgia Tech. I don't like college overtime.
First of all, you don't want overtime to last very long.
Why because it affects you're gonna get more guys hurt.
How many Georgia guys are wabbling off the field. So
(32:55):
it's like, did anybody sit around in a in a
college committee room and go, here's an idea. Yea, let's
do two point conversions. It could last all night and
nobody went, Now, that's a bad idea. They're college kids
that could get hurt. Anybody gone skiing before the two
or three times I've been hurt. Skiing is to like
the last run of the day. You're tired, your shot,
(33:17):
your legs buckle, you know it's yard sale. Your skis
over there, pulls over there, you don't have anything left.
Guys get hurt at the end of football games. You
always had a theory on what overtime should be. In
the NFL. Everything's built for the home team to win.
You can't hear you always get a break at home.
So in overtime in the NFL, the road team always
(33:38):
gets the ball first, first point score. So what does
that do? It forces the home team to be aggressive.
Home teams like, let's just go to overtime, we can
win it. No, no, no, home team's got to be
super aggressive, and if a home team's being aggressive, a
road team will, so just give the road team ball
first to the road team. The road team may not
(34:00):
be very good offensively and they don't want it, and
they could elect to give it up, but the road
team gets the call in overtime, just for the first possession.
Because everything is built in the NFL, if you win
the Super Bowl, you draft last. Everything's built for parody.
College football is not. But I still think it works
in college football. I mean, if you have nineteen twenty
(34:22):
year old kids and you have thirteen possessions, and you're
a home team in college and you can't put it away,
road team gets the ball first. First score wins and
college special teams are awful, so you'd have to score
a touchdown. Nobody in college has a kicker, it's like
one a year. So I always thought, you want the
overtime and stopped this whole thing. Well, it's not fair.
You had thirteen possessions. That was the fair part. Now,
(34:47):
now let's end this thing as quickly as we can.
Road teams, college and pro you get the choice, do
you want it or do you want to defend it?
First point? Score this whole thing about fairness. If you
ever thought to yourself in college football, you know, this
sport is not have than have nots perdue may win
a national championship. The whole damn sport is a hierarchy.
(35:09):
Let's stop the fairness thing. You want to end overtime
as soon as possible, not to get players hurt. Even
in the NFL, there's like they've done studies on this.
Teams that go to overtime a have more injuries and
lose the following week on average. You know this whole
let's go to the thirteen. It was embarrassing kind of
(35:30):
is At some point you're like, this is as bad
for college football. Live in LA the Herds.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
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Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm watching the Eagles Ravens last night, and my
take is Philadelphia brutal first quarter, then they start putting
it away and Baltimore's missing field goal field goal pat
by Justin Tucker. And you know Baltimore this year is
a heavy, heavily penalized team, very reliant on Derreck Henry
and Lamar j Accon and z A Flowers and Mark Andrews.
They're great players, They're very reliant on their offense, but
(36:05):
their special teams for years has got into the tank.
It was so good for years. And John Harball is
a former special teams coach. Justin Tucker, that was always
like one of their specialties. They'd steal two or three
wins a year on special teams. And their defense on
the back end. Kyle Hamilton's amazing, but it's pretty you know,
it's pretty limited. But I think a lot of it's
just Philadelphia. From Jalen Carter, who's unblockable. They nailed a
(36:28):
couple of draft picks in the secondary at corner one
from Toledo, and I think Philadelphia is They're really good.
I think today Philadelphia would beat Detroit neutral field or
maybe Detroit. I think i'd take Philadelphia. Remember, Detroit's a
dome team and Philadelphia is used to outdoors. That's a
big advantage. Jared Goff historically very very good indoors above
(36:52):
sixty degrees, and so when I watched Buffalo or I
watched Philadelphia, it looks like they're made for the elements.
And here's Matt Hasselback, who's been a big supporter of
Nick Seriani on why he's higher on the Eagles than most.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's a really good coach.
I think the Eagles are a really good team. I
feel like I like the Eagles more than Eagles fans
like the Eagles, which is in a weird.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Way, like I believe in them more.
Speaker 10 (37:19):
No, listen, I thought, like yesterday's game, they coached around
their injury situation. Injury situation, they didn't have DeVante Smith,
and so they said, okay, you know what we are
going to be.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know a lot of people talk about RPO.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
The Eagles in that game, they were an RRO offense,
a run or a run option.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
It's winning football. Dick Fangio does a great job.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
I've told you Kellen Moore is learning his guys, and
really it's a one to two punch in the defense
is off balance. I thought they mixed up tempo. I
just I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's got his
team focused each and every week. And we pay attention
to some of the antics, like on game day. But
I think if you look at that team like Monday
to Saturday, they're locked in.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
They don't have distractions.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now, think about the teams that are gonna play well
in bad weather. Obviously Buffalo, strong armed quarterback, good old line,
run game, tough defense. Pittsburgh, although they're a little reliant
sometimes on the deep pass, good defense, russ can move.
So Pittsburgh I think, is built for bad weather, and they,
you know, practice planet. Buffalo built for bad weather. Kansas
(38:21):
City with Isaiah Pacheco back, their interior O line for
the chiefs guard center guard's good. So I think Kansas City,
I think Buffalo, I think Pittsburgh. I think those teams,
and Denver a little bit. I think they're built for
cold weather. If you look at the NFC, I think
Philadelphia is built for cold weather. I think green Bay
now with Josh Jacobs, they're a power run team. I
(38:43):
think green Bay is built for cold weather. I think
Philadelphia is. I think Seattle. I like Walker and Sharbonday.
I think they're kind of built for cold weather. I'm
not sure if Washington is or Minnesota is. Yeah, Listen,
there's I've been saying this for the last week or two,
is that January February football is just It's December January February.
(39:06):
It's just different. Football, and there are certain teams like
I don't think there's any question Atlanta's not built for
cold weather. Kirk Cousins, I don't feel like they're I
don't Detroit's built to win football games. I don't think
ideally they're built for cold weather, although they're just losing
so many people on the defensive side. I don't know
if Washington's built for cold weather. And then when you
(39:26):
go to the AFC, I don't think the Houston Texans
necessarily are built for cold weather. It matters the Chargers
just the Chargers actually are. But now they got running
back health issues, and they got wide receiver issues, and
I think they're ahead of schedule. I could argue that
even though they're a Dome team, if the Colts made
the playoffs, Anthony Richardson Jonathan Taylor and their tight ends,
(39:49):
they're actually in their defensive front. I could argue that Indy,
strangely is built for cold weather. As a Dome team,
they don't want to get in shootouts. That's not what
they do. But keep your eye on Denver tonight. J
Mack is a Verver. He didn't like bone Nicks at all.
You're not a Bonix guy.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Just because I'm not all about him like you are,
it doesn't mean I'm not I'm out on him.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Did you Okay, let's show the video. Did you watch
brock Purty against Josh Allen last night?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You mean in the Blizzard?
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I watched that.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Well that's how you have to win games in
December and January brock Purty slash Mac Jones. Did you
see what he looked like? How about he threw the
ball flop down?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's stock coming.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
You just don't like rock Perty it's five.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's not that I don't like him, but if I'm
gonna pay him forty five to fifty million, it can't
look like that in the snow.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
You can lose, you can lose like Justin Herbert would
lose or c J straup with. But it can't look
like that. It can't look like best quarterback in the
league and whatever that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
It can't look like so Tua got how much money
to to it?
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well? I know, and that's my point. So when you
watch Miami go to Green Bay, Tua.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Didn't play awful in Green Bay, but he's winless when it's.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They looked cold they coached cold.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I think they've had a season high for misstackles throughout
the league, the defense and the twenty one miss tackles.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Twenty four to three and a half. Yeah, I mean
it was just I mean, it's just so funny to
watch Miami play in cold weather. You can see it.
You could just they just look like they want to
get in a flight and go home at half.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
By the way, Detroit, I know they're a Dome team,
but they're running game with Montgomery and Jimms. He is
built with the great offensive line.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
But if you play in Philadelphia, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
The big question is golf. He has turned into a
pumpkin before in cold weather outdoors. There's a specific Chicago
game memory when he was with the Rams Sunday Night football,
like one of the worst cold weather performances I can recall.
We'll see Ben Johnson's gonna have some stuff ready. You
know that he's always auditioning for jobs.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Unbolievable. I like Denver tonight score thirty twenty. I'll go
thirteen to nine Browns
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