December 2, 2024 • 40 mins
Monday means another edition of Where Colin Was Right / Where Colin Was Wrong, Colin's thoughts on the upsets in college football over the weekend, highlighted by Michigan beating Ohio State in Columbus, and Matt Hasselbeck stops by!
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Wild weekend college and pro football had a lot of fun.
Matt Hasselbeck five minutes out. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. A lot of energy, Jmat. You know,
sat home yesterday, hydrated africand of a wild weekend. Saw
the kids probably had one too many cigars. Little line
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at sleigh Steak on Saturday. It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Can I tell the audience you called me?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You were fired up?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You had so many good takes yesterday I was at Calvert.
What see this?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was a take machine yesterday, a cooking I mean,
you were probable, like a turkey pup thing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Look, it was just going crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You and your family had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, it was very thankful to be out here at
the bar.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Weather Arctic blasted in the Midwest this week. You see
the temperatures, Oh yeah, oh yeah, give me some.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Cold football out there this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, Buffalo's built for it all, right, here we go.
Colin Wright Colin wrong in a Monday plenty of both
fire away where Colin was right. Listen, I said a
week ago, and I got pushed back. Tear it down
to the studs Niners. It's official rebuilds. The only way
lost thirty five to ten wasn't competitive. Christian McCaffrey's hurt,
Fred Warner's hurt. They're old, they're tired, they're expensive in
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their brittle. I mean Kyle Shanahan first time he's lost
back to back games by twenty five plus points. Christian
McCaffrey unfortunately done for the season. This isn't subtle or nuanced.
They don't have enough good players. I mean, go watch Detroit, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas that he played. They don't have enough guys, especially
in their prime.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I have defended Ryan Day for a long time, but
he got worked this weekend. Even with Chip Kelly. I
thought he was trying to prove a point more than
he was trying to win a game. Why were they
running the football? They're a beautiful vertical passing team. Nick
Saban moved off his power running games into a passing
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team because Nick was about winning games. And I like
Ryan Day, but he'd never been a head coach before
Ohio State, and there are steps you get when you're
Urban Meyer and go Bowling Green to Utah to Florida,
Ohio State and in big games, he has not been exceptional,
and I thought this was a low point. I don't
think I would want him fired, but this was ugly
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and I've been defending him from day one. You can't
have that at home against the team that can't pass.
Michigan can't pass. Where Colin was right Sammy Darnold forever,
I said he's a first round talent. Just get him
to the right coach once again. A great final drive
to win a game. He's had several of those fourth
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in the NFL. And touchdown passes, the reckless stuff. Oh,
he'll have a throw every game. I WinCE a little bit,
but he has become a really good fourth quarter quarterback.
Ten of his twelve starts one hundred plus passer rating.
He's getting it to the right players at the right time,
and I trust him. That's the one thing I'll say
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about good quarterback play. He gets the ball with a
minute and a half left, I trust him. He's gonna
drive that team down to a field goal minimum. And
he did it again this week Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Where Colin was rong.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I didn't think Russell Wilson and Tomlin and the Steelers
was gonna fit. But he's five and one and six starts. Yesterday,
eight different Steelers caught a pass of twenty plus yards.
He is throwing the ball down the field. There's no
dink and dunk here Russell is. He is cooking it downfield,
and I'm happy for him. He's a grateful guy. He's
a hard working guy. He's a very focused guy. And
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this is a much better fit than I could have guessed.
You know, it kind of feels like this has always
been an offense that's a little dramatic and loose. He's
kind of got it playing more in the fair way
and still hitting on big plays.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, Matt Eberflus coming into the season was on
the hot seat. Probably they should have been best served
to start over. Jim Harball was the choice, but he
didn't get along with the president. And I feel bad
for Caleb Williams, who I think is a remarkable player.
He's flawed, he's got a lot to learn. But that
coaching gaff. I mean, when first year quarterbacks sometimes a
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coach has to throw him a life preserver on timeouts
and time and you know they're going to lack some
self awareness just because they're rookie quarterbacks in a much
faster game on the road, short week against the Great Lions.
There's just no excuse for that. And then his they
couldn't even fire him right, They'd let him have a
press conference and fired him about an hour later.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So this was.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Pretty predictable where Colin was rong. Well, my next guest
loves Nick Sirianni. I guess I'm on board. They won
eight in a row. They beat Lamar Jackson. NFC teams
do not beat Lamar Jackson. Now, Justin Tucker helped him out,
but I will say this, they may be the worst
first quarter team. That's a good team in the league.
But their second quarter was great and their fourth quarters.
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They give the ball to the right people, and that's
what I like about Philadelphia's offense. It's what Ohio State
didn't do Saturday. They got their ball, and they get
their ball to the right guys in Sirianni. Maybe he's
learning on the job. I've had misgivings, but it works.
You do not win eight games in a row. They've
beaten some good teams home and away. They've beaten good teams.
You don't win eight in a row. Golok at Chicago.
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They got good players too, unless the coach knows what
he's doing.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't buy an Aaron Rodgers, but I don't think
he's a top fifteen to eighteen quarterback in the league.
Turns forty one today, ugly pick six. He missed the
wide open Garrett Wilson in the end zone on a
pretty easy throw, pretty pedestrian NFL quarterback throw. They would
have gone up twenty eight to seven, game set match,
missed it. Pick six followed. So at this point, you know,
he's never been the biggest grinder in the offseason, and
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so I think he's aged really, really quickly. But I
didn't think the Jets were a playoff team. I don't
think Aaron's the kind of guy. He's not a Foxhole guy.
He's just a really talented guy. But I would move
off him. I don't think it works. I don't think
he has much of a market. We've got all these
talented young quarterbacks. Go get one somewhere, or go get
Sam Darnold. Where Colin was right, I said going into
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the weekend, do not lose any sleep on the college
football playoff rankings. Chaos will ensue, and it did. Georgia
went to eight overtimes against Georgia Tech, Miami lost to
Syracuse Georgia, Ohio State lost to Michigan. And I said Thursday,
the last couple of weekends, watch out for rivalry week.
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It's gonna be a zoo. There's a scenario where the
four conference champions weren't in their conference last season. I
will say this, the NIL and the transfer portal have
created more parody because a lot of these second tier
programs are cherry picking the Michigan's Notre Dames, Ohio States,
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Alabama's Georgia for guys that may be the third receiver
that can be a number one receiver at say like
a Louisville or you know, a Texas Tech. So there
is no depth even among the Alabamas and the Georgias.
I've watched Georgia play five times. You can run on Georgia.
They don't throw the ball down the field. So it
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is a wacky college football season. I'll still say Texas
ends up in the Natty. I still think it's going
to be Tennessee or Ohio State. So I'm not bailing
on Ohio State. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was
wrong on a Monday. And with that Matt Hasselbeck, we
love having them on a three time pro bowler. You
know it's funny. I watched the Bills play last night
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in that snow, and I said it looked like eight
year olds on the first snow day. They were heavy. Yeah,
they loved playing in that and not that San Francisco
melted like a Miami team. But it's weird watching them
play in that weather. It's almost like if they could
choose the weather for the playoffs, that would be it.
When you were in Seattle, you probably liked the rain
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and watch the guys come in fumble, right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
My rookie year, I went to the Green Bay Packers.
Most of our team like our quarterback was from Mississippi.
Everyone thought of like, oh, he's a cold weather quarterback,
Brett Farmer, he's from Mississippi. You know, half the guys
in my rookie class they saw snow for the first
time when they got to Wisconsin, and yet they thought
of us as like this cold weather team. I used
to tell people all the time, like we'd wear no sleeves,
we'd go out at halftime, we would come in the
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locker room, in the quarterback meeting room. Sorry, where we
would meet was in the sauna. It was the quarterbacks
coach Andy Reid with Doug Peterson's the backup, Brett Farber's
the starter, Rick Myers there, I'm there, and literally we're
in there in the sauna having our halftime adjustment meeting.
We were freezing. Then we go out in the second
half and like, you know, we just played this tough
guy thing like yeah, we're not cold. You know, we're
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not wearing sleeves. And I'm sure the opposing team, like
the forty nine ers, they're like, man, these guys are crazy.
They love this stuff. It's like they would rather be
in the snow right now. And that s what it
looked like. With Buffalo, I think the fans were into it.
It's super cool to play in, super fun. It also
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know, I said this about Russell Wilson. I thought
the fit was weird, But I do think that we
don't think about this, even for guys like you who
are college all Americans, eighteen years pro Bowls like you,
fit is really essential. You talking about twenty two year
old kids. So even though Russell's older, Denver was a
bad fit because here's Sean Payton who has his view
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of offense, and then Russell Wilson comes in with his
view clash. Tomlin is a defensive guy, and I almost
feel like Russell feels liberated, like I can kind of
do what I do, and Mike Off of Kenny Pickett
is sort of appreciative. But I watch it and I'm like,
it kind of works, Tomlin Ross doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Well, it's definitely working. I don't see it that way necessarily.
I think there's this fine line between humility and confidence,
and I think you need both, and I don't think
Russell was very humble in Denver, but I think he's
been more humble this time, and he definitely has the
confidence listen, that game started out. He throws a pick
six on like the third pass or the third play
of the game, and you know, he's he doesn't flinch.
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He has the confidence. He's like, you know what, I've
been there, done it. Had highs, had lows.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But if you watch that game, if you really study
how he got to four hundred yards, it wasn't really
what we're going to see in the highlights, all these
deep balls. It really wasn't. The first half, he had
two completions to a wide receiver that were past the
line of scrimmage. That was it. He won this game
by using the running backs in the passing game, using
the tight ends in the passing game. In the first half,
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he had seven completions to running backs, four to tight ends,
and like I said, two that went past the line
of scrimmage. So is he a great deep ball thrower, Yes,
he really is. He's got great trajectory on his throw.
But that's not how we won this game. That's not
how he got to four hundred yards. I believe he
played the kind of like that division's type of football.
You heard Mike Tomlin talk about it. He said he's
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acclimated well to this division and this kind of football,
And I think part of that is being humble and yet,
like I said, having like this ultra confidence where you
have confidence in yourself and your team has confidence in
you as well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, I am the bear. Situation's interesting, So I
would have been much harder on Caleb.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Interesting. Well, that's that's a really nice way to put it, Collin.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Trying to be kind on a Monday. I do think
with rookie quarterbacks sometimes a coach or a veteran backup
or something has to throw them a life preserver. A
lot of these teams get a rookie quarterback, they'll go
get a veteran guy, a Josh McCown, get him in here.
And I thought, Matt eberf looses inability. You could see
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Caleb's looking around, and it's like, you gotta call timeout.
You gotta help the kid. Now, maybe in three years
that's on Caleb. Were you bothered by Caleb or the
lack of support he got from the head coach.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
All of it?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You know, listen, I got on here, you know when
he gave up nine sacks and everyone was trying to
blame the offensive line and I'm like, listen, there's shared blame,
and if I'm coaching the quarterback, I'm blaming the quarterback
for at least six of those sacks at least. But
yet they blamed somebody else. Then it was something else,
and they blamed the offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron. They fired him.
Now this situation, they're blaming the head coach who could
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have called time out. He shouldn't have needed to call
time out. You had thirty six seconds. You need to
save that time out. Two minute is different in the
second quarter than it is in the fourth quarter. Two
minute is different when you're down three versus if you're
down four or more. Like, at some level there's got
to be some shared responsibility by the quarterback. So if
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you're coaching the quarterback like with a closed door, I
think you need to be really critical. It was like
almost hilarious to me, how like every single comment that
someone said about the Bears, everyone would say like, oh,
you can't put that on the quarterback, Like why, Like
I don't understand why. Like the only way you're going
to improve as a quarterback is if you're coach tough,
if you're coached hard, if you tell the truth on Monday,
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and like, that's that's the part that I'm not sure
is getting done right there. I thought Matt Eberfluss probably
needed to be fired because of all the stuff, you know,
if you look at the totality of it. But really,
I thought what he did at the podium was he
tried to not throw his quarterback under the bus. But
I don't know who else you can really blame for
what happened in that situation if you're coaching the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, so, you know, I watched Baltimore and some you know,
I said this for years with Tiger Woods. There's a
lot of great golfers. There was one Tiger Woods and
guys shot a lot of good rounds and lost to
the media known as Tiger Woods. And I watched the
Ravens and I'm like, well, they lost to Kansas City
by a foot. You know, Philadelphia maybe the best roster
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in the league. You know, you start looking around and
you're like, Okay, the Raiders game is what it is.
But I watched them handle the Chargers. I'm like, I
think it's a good team. I just think the greatest
kicker ever has hit a wall to keep losing These
close games. I think if they hit field goals, they win,
and just sometimes it happens like it just I'm not
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selling my Lamar Baltimore stock, but a lot of people are.
How do you view.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Them, Yeah, they shouldn't listen. I believe in Lamar Jackson
one hundred. He's incredibly fun to watch. I believe in
a weird way, he's underrated. People think of him as
the runner, but he's a great passer as well. I
think he's a great leader. Uh, they've played a little
sloppy this year. Yeah, obviously the special teams, which was
always a strength for this team. You know, they're in
a bit of a you know, they're in a bit
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of a rut right now. And just listen. Having held
for field goal kickers for a lot of my football
playing career, you know, going back all the way down
to you know, he's from high school to holding for
Adam Venattier near the end of my career, like you know,
understanding that it an operation like it's it's long snapper,
it's holder, it's kicker, and just like a golfer, sometimes
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you're you know, you have a stretch where you're not
in the fair way much, but I trust Justin Tucker.
I kind of trust that team, and and I do
think that this team will be a team that's battle
tested once the playoffs come around.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Matt Hasselbeck joining us. It's so funny with the Eagles.
They're an awful first quarter team, but yesterday they were
a great, dominant second quarter team, and then they were
bad in the third, then they were unstoppable in the fourth.
But I when I watched them, every unit has like
an unbelievable player. They're so stacked. And it's like, but you've,
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like You've been telling me this for a month. I've
been pushing back. There is something with Sirianni. Aren't you
a little concerned that eventually in the playoffs? You're not
concerned that I fell.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's a really good coach.
I think the Eagles are a really good team. I
feel like I like the Eagles more than Eagles fans like,
which is in a weird way, like I believe in
them more. No, listen, I thought, like yesterday's game, they
coached around their injury situation. Injury situation, they didn't have DEVANCEE. Smith,
and so they said, okay, you know what we are
going to be. You know a lot of people talk
about RPO. The Eagles in that game, they were an
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RRO offense, a run or a run option. It was
either Jalen or it was Saquon. And then once they
get into the red zone then they operate there. They're
more they're like RPO game where it's either Jalen Saquon
or Dallas Goddard, Jalen Saquon or a J. Brown. They
they coached around the situation that they had understanding who
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the quarterback was on the other side. I think Jalen
hurts through for like one hundred and eighteen yards. He
had seven completions that ended up in a first down.
Like it wasn't that kind of a game, but it's
winning football. Vick Fangio does a great job. I've told
you Kellen Moore is learning his guys and really it's
a one to two punch in the defenses off balance.
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I thought they mixed up tempo. I just I like
Nick Sirianni. I think he's got his team focused each
and every week, and we pay attention to some of
the antics like on game day, but I think if
you look at that team, like Monday to Saturday. They're
locked in. They don't have distractions.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So do you think it's easy for me to say this?
Do you think in the locker room that those veteran
Niners players know it's this ain't working, it's time for
a reboot. I mean, they're highly compensated. But do you
think in the room they're questioning we got to start
over because I watch Philly, I watched Detroit, I watched Buffalo,
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I watch Baltimore. San Francisco's not close. They're not one
big swing away. They're old, expensive, brittle, hurt a lot.
Do you think they know that?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, I don't think I hear what you're saying. I
think they feel that this year, Like I think the
real talk or the real thoughts are something like, man,
this just isn't our year, Like we're banged up, and
I listen, you mentioned all I played eighteen years in
the NFL. Not every year was the same. There were
some years where I just wasn't banged up, felt great,
my teammates felt great. Just that's how it was. Then
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there were other years where we felt snake bit. Everybody
in the building had an injury, every player shoot, we
had coaches basically getting surgery during the season. It was
just like, what's going on with this team right now?
We feel cursed or something. I think that's what they feel.
I feel like the forty nine ers are probably like, man,
we can't catch your break this year. This is not
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our year. But I don't think they feel like, oh,
we got to blow it up, start over, get younger,
because there's no king in that division. The NFC West,
it's like right there, they can taste it, they know
they're close, and they feel like, if healthy, it would
be their division. But I think it's a real thing
where you feel snake bit a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, So speaking of that division, because I think all
of the teams have something. Seattle again just keeps winning
the Rams. Now Stafford's on a bit of a heater.
Now Stafford's playing well. That game, by the way, flew
by it. It was like it was like one of
those baseball games now when you have the starter pitcher,
it goes like two hours and twenty minutes. The Rams
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game was like over like that, and you're like, okay,
do you buy the Rams? Because this is a quarterback
head coach league, especially in the playoffs. And I think
their defense is actually in the front seven pretty tasty.
What do you make of the Rams? Do you buy
them at all? Do they worry you? Do you think
they could? You know, last year they shocked us. They're
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better than last year? I think, what do you make
of them?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, listen, it's it's a fun division. So a really
good team's gonna win that division with a bad record,
which is like I wouldn't say that about the NFC South.
I think a bad team with a bad record is
going to win that division. But there's going to be
a good team coming out of this NFC West. The
Seahawks are hot right now. That was a good win,
but it was also a win against a you know,
a three win Jets team. But the Seahawks in Arizona
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go head to head this week. This eat This division
is going to kind of eat itself, and I think
that if they can stay healthy, Matthew Stafford is playing
really good football. Now, that second half was great football.
That first half, you know, wasn't quite as good. So
you know, this is a team and this is a
division that I truly think it could be anybody's division. Yeah,
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and you can't really say that about much of the league.
You know, some of the teams that are winning their division,
they're playing against people that have already packed it in. Yeah,
they're they're putting guys on the ir they're saying, hey
for who, for what, We'll see you next year. That's
not at all how this division is. Everybody feels like
they're in it, and so for that reason, I think
this is going to be one of the more competitive
and more fun divisions to watch as we finish out
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the year.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, he's got a one twenty one passer rating, eight touchdowns,
no picks in the last three games, and so, but it.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Was interesting, Colin, Like, I think they didn't score a
touchdown in the first half, which is something that a
Sean McVeigh team hasn't done. And they've actually been super
Bowl against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They've been a weirdly bad first half offense. And I
don't know what the answer is because mcveigh's brilliant, but
they've been I don't I couldn't say the last great
first half they had. They adjust, they play well late,
but it's you know, it's like Philadelphia. I can't explain
Philadelphia in the Rams first quarters, they have.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I think one thing that does happen is you don't
really know what somebody else's game plan is going to
be against you until you get into the game. Like
if you're unique, like I think Matthew Stafford's unique, I
think Jalen Hurts in that Saquan offense now is unique.
So you get into the game and you're like, oh, okay,
now I see what their game plan was. They're gonna
play us Nickel getting five dbs when we're in big
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people personnel, got it? Or say, oh okay, I know
what they're going to do. Now, They're going to play
a two shell and allow no big plays. Got it.
But you don't necessarily know that until you get into
the game.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday. Always love having you man,
make us smarter. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You bet eighteen years in the league, three time Pro Bowler,
Super Bowl trips.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
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Speaker 1 (22:03):
App Denver Broncos Bonick Sean Payton Tonight, what is the Grimace?
How about they win by a couple of touchdowns, a
couple of tuddies.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So first of all, do you have any money on
this game at all? I don't have a cent on it.
I have no read on this whatsoever?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I do I do? I have a read. Here's what
I'm reading, Yeah, Denver another w Boenicks three touchdown passes.
Read it here in the Denver Post. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So I'm going against BONICKX and fantasy. You know my
brother is too, so we're rooting for Bonicks to do
nothing tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I'm I'm a Browns fan. I know you don't
care about that, but there.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Is a world where Bownicks comes back down to earth
just a little under the spotlight of Monday night football
against the Browns defense that showed up against russ Remember it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Was a blizzard. It's much easier with you can't see.
I went to that Cosm Dome to watch that game.
Honestly won. I think I said this on the air.
I'm like, so I was sitting watching the game and
this cause ms amazing and it makes you feel like
you're at the game and I'm kind of standing where
a safety would be and I'm like, how do you
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see the running back, there was a blizzard. You couldn't
see anything tonight. It'll be clear vision for one bow.
Nick again.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Amounts five and a half something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I like Denver comfortably.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, j Mark with.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
The news, No, no, this is the herd line.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'll be texting you at about seven forty five.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, okay, can't wait for that one. Let's start with
Thanksgiving Day and the Lions.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So they survived in the in uh in a rough
game against the Bears.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But the big story that we over the.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Weekend with Jamiir Gibbs, the talented young running back. Running back,
he inadvertently leaked some of the play's past protection calls
when he posted a video of a teammate on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You can see it here on FS one.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't know why he would post his same in
front of the whiteboard with all that information and it
had code words for calls.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
At the line of scrimmage. Well, Dan Campbell was talking
to the media.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
The media is grilling and Campbell about this, and here's
what Dan Campbell said about it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're
going to lose because the code words, then we're not
good enough. Anyway. So I think we'll just post the
whole freaking playbook out there and every code word we got,
and it's it doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us,
it won't affect us, and it's all good.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
By the way, guys, can you keep your phones, you know,
in your locker? You ever go to the gym. I
see this at the gym. I can't believe it, and
guys are checking their phones. It's like, guys, you can't
give an hour of your day to sitting on your phone. Like,
don't take phones into restaurants and the gym and the meetings.
I can't believe that an NFL team allows players to
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have their phones in meetings.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I had a great look for Gibbs and then he
had the fubble inside the five yard line.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That was a killer.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I do like Campbell's reaction, like, I don't give a crap.
This is the Dan, this is leadership right here, us
against the world.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Our guy screwed up. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I'm with him?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The media they want Jamier gives his head for this
is it's.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Not real smart, it's not it's not genius level stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But uh, you know, they got a big game this
week against All Thursday.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I see the line, the line of shrinking.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Let me get let me guess what. So where's the game?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Was Detroit minus six? Detroit at home against backers?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No, I take green Bay minus Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Not six anymore, what is it? It's minus three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, yeah, green Bay some major injuries on defau No,
they went and got Jamal Adams.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I mean I didn't even see.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Them, went and got Jamal Adam. They got linebacker issues.
They're all banded.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Two of their top three linebackers are out now. Not
not good at.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I like green Bay in that game.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think I do too. I like that coming on
and then it opens the door. Could Philly host.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
The NFC Championship. Detroit having to go outdoors in January
to the link not great good. I said this on
my podcast last night. I would take this morning phill
It over Detroit. And I didn't feel that way three
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't think that's a hot take. Now here's a question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Is Philadelphia the best team in the NFL now? Because
you were saying Detroit a week ago, was.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I didn't Buffalo, Buffalo and Philadelphia and then Detroit Kansas City.
Those four put him in any order you want, but
that feels like it to me. I'm tell you up.
Buffalo playing at home.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Decent, Yeah, they're decent.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Next up the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team I owe an
apology to, huh what are performance? They beat the Bengals,
scoring forty four points. Russell Wilson was tremendous. I what
are resurgence for Russell Wilson. But a subplot here is
mister George Pickens. As you see here on TV. He
made headlines for all the wrong reasons, getting two unsportsman
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like penalties and was lucky to avoid an ejection. I
don't know what he's doing, man, He's up putting football
on a Bengals player's head.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He's making the finger guns, like, dude, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So Mike Tomlin addressed his wide receiver's antics.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He just got to grow up, man. This emotional game,
these divisional games are big. He got a target on
his back because he's yours.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
He understands that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But he's got to grow up. He's got to grow
up and hurt.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
He does. That's that's well. Put you don't it's fine
against Cincinnati, but you're not. You know, the margin shrink
when you play playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You don't want to go overboard. But is there a
little Randy Moss in this kid? I mean, Moss was
supremely talented pickets.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's unbelievable. I mean, watching this guy in space and going,
I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
For whatever reasons, wide receivers. It's an emotional position, whatever reasons,
and so it's not the first time we've seen this.
You know, it's even receivers I really like, get highly emotional.
So it's just it's kind of just part and parcel
to the position.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I think now, if Tomlin knows his receivers, well, he
moved off member Deontay Johnson, they just got he.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Knows his person though.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
By the way, side story, did you see what Deontay
Johnson did for the Ravens yesterday?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nothing Steelers markets think about this. Steelers tend to move
off for severe at the right time. Antonio Brown, Jujus Smith, Schuster,
Martavius Bryant, Chase Claypool, Deontae Johnson, they know. Now, I
think Pickens is better, is more talented than all of
those except ab.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
A Okay, yeah, yeah, ab was I mean listening easy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Not he's all time talent, Like the guy's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So Pickens has to clean that up. Call I don't
want to get listen. I obviously owed the Steelers in apology.
I've been bashing them all season. Fugazi, fraudulent. I mean,
they had eight different pass catchers with a twenty yard
catch yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Eight. Who's the second best team in the AFC? It
take your time on this.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, Buffalo's number one, Kansas City's two coaching quarterbacks, neutral field,
Kansas City, Kansas City for sure. Yeah, Pittsburgh will be
close with the Pittsburgh's not getting blown out by anybody.
It's like Philadelphia is too good. If Philadelphia loses, it's close.
If Pittsburgh loses, the way they play, it'll be close.
(28:58):
They're just they're just. Russ doesn't turn them ball over,
so they're like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
He threw a pick six early.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I know they're not.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're at Russell, but.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hundred yards yeah, I mean it's just beats you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean, Arthur Smith has done some impressive stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Too, has been a great hire for them.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I mean, they got You can't really man up Pickens
because he's gonna beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
One on one.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Friar move is good, Nase Harris. I mean the kid
Austin had some nice catches.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know, they they're they they're good. I mean we
said this last year. I think they have a top
five roster in the league. I said it last year.
They just weren't good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And you know, Russ again, maybe I'm getting sucked in.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, he's only played like six or.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Seven I've been saying this now for a year. You
all keep clinging to Aaron Rodgers is good and he's not,
and you all keep bashing Russell and he's actually good.
But I mean this whole thing about Aaron's done. Kirk
Cousins looks done. Russell Wilson's noting that incredible Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Rodgers is done. Russell Wilson was supposed to be done
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Now he's back down. I mean, Rusk could go to
the ac Chimpions.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well. Russ also, oh, I think works harder in the offseason,
is more focused. And I also think the Steelers are
a better organization by farther than the Jet. So a
lot of times in life it's where you land, and
I think Russell landed with a you know, an elite organization.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Last thing on the Stealers Coach of the year is
Tomlin or Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You got, well, Pittsburgh's got better players, so you'd say
Kevin o'conn If Sean Payton gets this team into the playoffs,
I give it to Sean Payton. Oh Over, they were
a five win over under team with a rookie quarterback
in a division with Mahomes, Hardbaugh, Herbert and Nanny Reed.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's hard they get it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Sean, Sean Payton, Tomlin, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm not a huge awards guy, but that's a tough one. Also,
we need to talk about the high school at some point.
I just file it away.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
We do.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I know nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
The final story is, uh, Minnesota Vikings didn't not start
strong yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It was really ugly.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I think they had like seventy five yards at halftime
or they.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Didn't to be only three penalties. They were super efficient.
They got out game big by Arizona.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What hurt early on Aaron Jones had a fumble in
a drop and they bailed on him that throat.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But I think that was the fourth down pass to
Justin Jefferson, Sammy D. He was excellent.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sammy D was bringing in, man, you need a.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Game winning drive, sam Doarnold's your guy, comforting a fourth
and long and then the go ahead score with seventy
seconds left.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep, fifth straight wins. Listen, they're ten and two.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I know it's crazy, and they're gonna be the fourth
seed in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And you know they've done it. It's like Baltimore has
tried to work through its problems special teams in defense,
but has lost a lot of games. Minnesota, in the
weaker conference, has worked through some problems, but they're winning
those games. Remember the Jacksonville game they won. They were
terrible in the red zone. They weren't very good for
two and a half quarters in this game. So Minnesota,
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it's a little bit of an advantage to play in
the NFC over the AFC.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Huge, Sorry, not fourth seed for Vikings.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Fifth.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So they're gonna have to go on the road in
their first game and I'm taking them over over Tampa Worth.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are you sure they're not going to win the division?
When Detroit loses Thursday, that opens thing up. I like
Green Bay Thursday against Detroit. I can't believe that opened six.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, it was six on the look aheadline and then
the injuries and the unimpressiveness Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So it's down atwe an a half. But yeah, Packers Viking Lions.
That's a tough three.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I wouldn't cancel Minnisota out from winning the division.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And oh, by the way, like Green Bay going to
Seattle or Arizona, that's not a tall order. We could
have three teams from the North in the second round.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Listen, Chicago is like five plays from being an the
eight played day, they've played elite eight winough.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That's why a lot of people like that job and
like them. This week in San Francisco, it's like, you know,
I guess we'll say.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It for later.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Vis Jaymack with the News, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie. I was thinking
about this with a San Francisco forty nine ers. You're
not going to fire Kyle Shanahan. He's very good, but
I do think you have to get him away from personnel.
And here's what happens. It hurt Bill O'Brien, hurt Gruden,
(33:07):
it hurt Belichick. I think it hurt Pete Carroll is
that What happens is the coaches, the star coaches make
three times what the general manager does. I mean McVeigh
makes much more than less need Shanahan is going to
make much more than John Lynch. And so when these
coaches get into these power situations, they get a lot
of personnel. Say, and I think Kyle is drafting players
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for the moment. They've let their O line and their
D line. They've neglected it, and I think he has
to step back. You know, Pete Carroll and Seattle. The
death of Paul Allen, there was the leadership void of vacuum,
and then Pete kind of got in and had, in
my opinion, a little too much control with personnel. John
Snyder was going to take the Lions job. They pulled
(33:52):
him back, and John the last two or three drafts
has controlled it. Shocker. The Seahawks have had three straight
great drafts. I like Kyle Shane, but I look at
their drafts and it feels like the coach has a
little bit too much power. Now, there are some coaches
who are very good with personnel, Sean Payton, Jimmy Johnson.
I've been told mcvays good with personnel. He's got a
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real sense for it. Most coaches, I think are better
off coaching players playing gmsgming. But I mean I when
I look at Kyle Shanahan on that team, I mean
they're spiraling out of control. There's no easy fix. They're
not one swing away. And when you're watch him brock
pretty on the field with Josh Allen, remember what these
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games are going to look like in December and January
February as they're going to look like that. That look
like an even fight at quarterback. So here's Shanahan on
his team spiraling out of control.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
This is the hole we put ourselves in and made
a lot tougher, and if we want to get out
of it, we got to do some special here. We're
not as good as a team as those past teams,
so that's kind of how I look at it. And
then we're not the same.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Team at all.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Every team each year is different, but I'm not going
to say that this team is the same as last
year's team or just out fining us art and we
got a bunch of different guys out there. We've been
trying to find our ways since the beginning.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Haven't quite found that yet. There's still a lot of
season left and we expect to play better. And by
the way, when you added the cold and the snow
and the wind to Buffalo, that looked like Josh Allen
against Mac Jones last night. I'm just saying, I mean,
you can talk about you want, everybody looks good in
September and October that football game. That's what the weather is.
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That's why northern teams historically, that's where the dynasties happened.
As good as the Dolphins were with Marino and Shula.
Dan Marino got the one Super Bowl, John elwe got
to a lot of them in cold weather Denver. Because
this is how this sport ends every year it looks
like that.
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Speaker 1 (36:13):
So during the Michigan Ohio State game, when it ended
and this thing will go away. It was the flag
planting and so it got really ugly during Ohio State Michigan,
but Arizona State that at the Arizona South Carolina that
the Clemson North Carolina did at the n Z State.
By the way, Texas was going to do it to
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Texas A and M and sort pulled the Longhorns off
the field. He's like, nah, I've been watching TV today,
I know what's going on. Get out of here. So
it's going to go away. Kids are emotional. I'm not
going to make too much of it. The much bigger
issue because they won't allow this stuff going forward. It'll
be a huge fine. And you know when you have
a big rivalry game and nineteen to twenty three year
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old kids, stuff can get sideways pretty quick. This is
pretty classless both sides. But it happens. It's ugly. I mean,
there was pepper spray. It was brutal. It's not the
end of the world. It'll get fixed real quick. So
the bigger issue is and it's that Ohio State has
lost or I'm not sure it's ever had under Ryan
day an identity. They brought Chip Kelly in to be
(37:18):
more of a run centric power football, because that's what
Chip Kelly does. But they're not. And I said this earlier,
and I really believe this. A head coach's job is
to win games, and sometimes he's got to tell a
coordinator or a special teams coordinator, we're not going for
a block here, we're not blitzing here, we're throwing the
(37:38):
ball here. It felt like Ohio State was trying to prove, hey,
we can be more physical than Michigan. Well, Michigan's two
best players are arguably defensive linemen, so it was going
to be hard to run on them. And Ohio State's
old lines all banged up this year. Throw the ball.
I mean they were missing in one of the better corners.
I believe Michigan was like, throw the ball. You're at home, speed,
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the tempo up. Michigan's not as deep as you. This year.
They lost too many NFL guys. And so Ryan Day
acted a lot like coordinators act. And I do think
a lot of it. And you know, Ryan Day's a
good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. He's
not Urban Meyer, he's not Nick Saban, he's not Dabo Sweeney.
But I seen this before. Is that Mark Rick at
Georgia never been a head coach before the Georgia job.
(38:24):
He did a good job, he was a fine coach,
But j always felt like, what is Georgia beyond talented?
What's their identity? An Urban Meyer team, a Saban team,
a Pete Carroll team. There are multiple steps that Ryan
Day skipped. He was a quarterback coach briefly a coordinator.
Your job that's usually like Dayton or Toledo, that's not
Ohio State. So I feel like he's struggling to have
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an identity, and your identity should be based on a
couple of things. One your personnel. Ohio State has become
the best wide receiver university in the country. They have
a great recruiter Brian Hartline, and their receiving corps every
year is better than fifty percent of the NFL or more.
Throw the ball, spend money on quarterbacks, left tackles, and
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recruit high school wide receivers. Throw the ball. That's what
you are. Oregon, by the way, has figured that out.
Oregon has a real identity with Dan Lanning. And again
this is a guy who's never been a head coach.
But Dan Lanning is like, we are gonna play relentless
aggressive football, but they recruit California speed. So Oregon's like,
let's go pay money for a transfer quarterback and we're
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gonna spread it out and throw the ball. Oregon has
an identity, so some coaches who have never been head coaches,
they can figure out that identity. When I watch Oregon,
Oregon is telling you we're faster than you. We're gonna
spread you at. You can't cover our receiver. We got
too many good fast guys. You don't have that many
good corners. Let's roll, we're gonna throw the ball. We're
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gonna go vertical, and they play hard and they're aggressive
and they go for it. Oregon's got that identity with
Dan Lanning. You're not beating us in outson, We're faster
than you. We're a track team. You can't keep up,
and we're going to hit you in them out. We're
going to be hyper aggressive fourth downs, We're going for it.
Let's sing, We're all for it. I don't know what
Ohio State's identity is. They're talented. Michigan has an identity,
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and their identity this year is they can't pass, but
they're physical. They're physical and they can stop your run.
But that was a That's as bad a loss as
I can ever remember an Ohio State team having at
home against a walk on quarterback. Michigan was missing two
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of their best players. I mean, it's just I woke
up the next morning I still couldn't figure it out.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Wild weekend college and pro football had a lot of fun.
Matt Hasselbeck five minutes out. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. A lot of energy, Jmat. You know,
sat home yesterday, hydrated africand of a wild weekend. Saw
the kids probably had one too many cigars. Little line
(00:45):
at sleigh Steak on Saturday. It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Can I tell the audience you called me?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You were fired up?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You had so many good takes yesterday I was at Calvert.
What see this?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was a take machine yesterday, a cooking I mean,
you were probable, like a turkey pup thing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Look, it was just going crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You and your family had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, it was very thankful to be out here at
the bar.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Weather Arctic blasted in the Midwest this week. You see
the temperatures, Oh yeah, oh yeah, give me some.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Cold football out there this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, Buffalo's built for it all, right, here we go.
Colin Wright Colin wrong in a Monday plenty of both
fire away where Colin was right. Listen, I said a
week ago, and I got pushed back. Tear it down
to the studs Niners. It's official rebuilds. The only way
lost thirty five to ten wasn't competitive. Christian McCaffrey's hurt,
Fred Warner's hurt. They're old, they're tired, they're expensive in
(01:38):
their brittle. I mean Kyle Shanahan first time he's lost
back to back games by twenty five plus points. Christian
McCaffrey unfortunately done for the season. This isn't subtle or nuanced.
They don't have enough good players. I mean, go watch Detroit, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas that he played. They don't have enough guys, especially
in their prime.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I have defended Ryan Day for a long time, but
he got worked this weekend. Even with Chip Kelly. I
thought he was trying to prove a point more than
he was trying to win a game. Why were they
running the football? They're a beautiful vertical passing team. Nick
Saban moved off his power running games into a passing
(02:21):
team because Nick was about winning games. And I like
Ryan Day, but he'd never been a head coach before
Ohio State, and there are steps you get when you're
Urban Meyer and go Bowling Green to Utah to Florida,
Ohio State and in big games, he has not been exceptional,
and I thought this was a low point. I don't
think I would want him fired, but this was ugly
(02:44):
and I've been defending him from day one. You can't
have that at home against the team that can't pass.
Michigan can't pass. Where Colin was right Sammy Darnold forever,
I said he's a first round talent. Just get him
to the right coach once again. A great final drive
to win a game. He's had several of those fourth
(03:04):
in the NFL. And touchdown passes, the reckless stuff. Oh,
he'll have a throw every game. I WinCE a little bit,
but he has become a really good fourth quarter quarterback.
Ten of his twelve starts one hundred plus passer rating.
He's getting it to the right players at the right time,
and I trust him. That's the one thing I'll say
(03:24):
about good quarterback play. He gets the ball with a
minute and a half left, I trust him. He's gonna
drive that team down to a field goal minimum. And
he did it again this week Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Where Colin was rong.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I didn't think Russell Wilson and Tomlin and the Steelers
was gonna fit. But he's five and one and six starts. Yesterday,
eight different Steelers caught a pass of twenty plus yards.
He is throwing the ball down the field. There's no
dink and dunk here Russell is. He is cooking it downfield,
and I'm happy for him. He's a grateful guy. He's
a hard working guy. He's a very focused guy. And
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this is a much better fit than I could have guessed.
You know, it kind of feels like this has always
been an offense that's a little dramatic and loose. He's
kind of got it playing more in the fair way
and still hitting on big plays.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, Matt Eberflus coming into the season was on
the hot seat. Probably they should have been best served
to start over. Jim Harball was the choice, but he
didn't get along with the president. And I feel bad
for Caleb Williams, who I think is a remarkable player.
He's flawed, he's got a lot to learn. But that
coaching gaff. I mean, when first year quarterbacks sometimes a
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coach has to throw him a life preserver on timeouts
and time and you know they're going to lack some
self awareness just because they're rookie quarterbacks in a much
faster game on the road, short week against the Great Lions.
There's just no excuse for that. And then his they
couldn't even fire him right, They'd let him have a
press conference and fired him about an hour later.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So this was.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Pretty predictable where Colin was rong. Well, my next guest
loves Nick Sirianni. I guess I'm on board. They won
eight in a row. They beat Lamar Jackson. NFC teams
do not beat Lamar Jackson. Now, Justin Tucker helped him out,
but I will say this, they may be the worst
first quarter team. That's a good team in the league.
But their second quarter was great and their fourth quarters.
(05:20):
They give the ball to the right people, and that's
what I like about Philadelphia's offense. It's what Ohio State
didn't do Saturday. They got their ball, and they get
their ball to the right guys in Sirianni. Maybe he's
learning on the job. I've had misgivings, but it works.
You do not win eight games in a row. They've
beaten some good teams home and away. They've beaten good teams.
You don't win eight in a row. Golok at Chicago.
(05:42):
They got good players too, unless the coach knows what
he's doing.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't buy an Aaron Rodgers, but I don't think
he's a top fifteen to eighteen quarterback in the league.
Turns forty one today, ugly pick six. He missed the
wide open Garrett Wilson in the end zone on a
pretty easy throw, pretty pedestrian NFL quarterback throw. They would
have gone up twenty eight to seven, game set match,
missed it. Pick six followed. So at this point, you know,
he's never been the biggest grinder in the offseason, and
(06:09):
so I think he's aged really, really quickly. But I
didn't think the Jets were a playoff team. I don't
think Aaron's the kind of guy. He's not a Foxhole guy.
He's just a really talented guy. But I would move
off him. I don't think it works. I don't think
he has much of a market. We've got all these
talented young quarterbacks. Go get one somewhere, or go get
Sam Darnold. Where Colin was right, I said going into
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the weekend, do not lose any sleep on the college
football playoff rankings. Chaos will ensue, and it did. Georgia
went to eight overtimes against Georgia Tech, Miami lost to
Syracuse Georgia, Ohio State lost to Michigan. And I said Thursday,
the last couple of weekends, watch out for rivalry week.
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It's gonna be a zoo. There's a scenario where the
four conference champions weren't in their conference last season. I
will say this, the NIL and the transfer portal have
created more parody because a lot of these second tier
programs are cherry picking the Michigan's Notre Dames, Ohio States,
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Alabama's Georgia for guys that may be the third receiver
that can be a number one receiver at say like
a Louisville or you know, a Texas Tech. So there
is no depth even among the Alabamas and the Georgias.
I've watched Georgia play five times. You can run on Georgia.
They don't throw the ball down the field. So it
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is a wacky college football season. I'll still say Texas
ends up in the Natty. I still think it's going
to be Tennessee or Ohio State. So I'm not bailing
on Ohio State. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was
wrong on a Monday. And with that Matt Hasselbeck, we
love having them on a three time pro bowler. You
know it's funny. I watched the Bills play last night
(07:58):
in that snow, and I said it looked like eight
year olds on the first snow day. They were heavy. Yeah,
they loved playing in that and not that San Francisco
melted like a Miami team. But it's weird watching them
play in that weather. It's almost like if they could
choose the weather for the playoffs, that would be it.
When you were in Seattle, you probably liked the rain
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and watch the guys come in fumble, right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
My rookie year, I went to the Green Bay Packers.
Most of our team like our quarterback was from Mississippi.
Everyone thought of like, oh, he's a cold weather quarterback,
Brett Farmer, he's from Mississippi. You know, half the guys
in my rookie class they saw snow for the first
time when they got to Wisconsin, and yet they thought
of us as like this cold weather team. I used
to tell people all the time, like we'd wear no sleeves,
we'd go out at halftime, we would come in the
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locker room, in the quarterback meeting room. Sorry, where we
would meet was in the sauna. It was the quarterbacks
coach Andy Reid with Doug Peterson's the backup, Brett Farber's
the starter, Rick Myers there, I'm there, and literally we're
in there in the sauna having our halftime adjustment meeting.
We were freezing. Then we go out in the second
half and like, you know, we just played this tough
guy thing like yeah, we're not cold. You know, we're
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not wearing sleeves. And I'm sure the opposing team, like
the forty nine ers, they're like, man, these guys are crazy.
They love this stuff. It's like they would rather be
in the snow right now. And that s what it
looked like. With Buffalo, I think the fans were into it.
It's super cool to play in, super fun. It also
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know, I said this about Russell Wilson. I thought
the fit was weird, But I do think that we
don't think about this, even for guys like you who
are college all Americans, eighteen years pro Bowls like you,
fit is really essential. You talking about twenty two year
old kids. So even though Russell's older, Denver was a
bad fit because here's Sean Payton who has his view
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of offense, and then Russell Wilson comes in with his
view clash. Tomlin is a defensive guy, and I almost
feel like Russell feels liberated, like I can kind of
do what I do, and Mike Off of Kenny Pickett
is sort of appreciative. But I watch it and I'm like,
it kind of works, Tomlin Ross doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Well, it's definitely working. I don't see it that way necessarily.
I think there's this fine line between humility and confidence,
and I think you need both, and I don't think
Russell was very humble in Denver, but I think he's
been more humble this time, and he definitely has the
confidence listen, that game started out. He throws a pick
six on like the third pass or the third play
of the game, and you know, he's he doesn't flinch.
(10:28):
He has the confidence. He's like, you know what, I've
been there, done it. Had highs, had lows.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
But if you watch that game, if you really study
how he got to four hundred yards, it wasn't really
what we're going to see in the highlights, all these
deep balls. It really wasn't. The first half, he had
two completions to a wide receiver that were past the
line of scrimmage. That was it. He won this game
by using the running backs in the passing game, using
the tight ends in the passing game. In the first half,
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he had seven completions to running backs, four to tight ends,
and like I said, two that went past the line
of scrimmage. So is he a great deep ball thrower, Yes,
he really is. He's got great trajectory on his throw.
But that's not how we won this game. That's not
how he got to four hundred yards. I believe he
played the kind of like that division's type of football.
You heard Mike Tomlin talk about it. He said he's
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acclimated well to this division and this kind of football,
And I think part of that is being humble and yet,
like I said, having like this ultra confidence where you
have confidence in yourself and your team has confidence in
you as well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, I am the bear. Situation's interesting, So I
would have been much harder on Caleb.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Interesting. Well, that's that's a really nice way to put it, Collin.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Trying to be kind on a Monday. I do think
with rookie quarterbacks sometimes a coach or a veteran backup
or something has to throw them a life preserver. A
lot of these teams get a rookie quarterback, they'll go
get a veteran guy, a Josh McCown, get him in here.
And I thought, Matt eberf looses inability. You could see
(12:01):
Caleb's looking around, and it's like, you gotta call timeout.
You gotta help the kid. Now, maybe in three years
that's on Caleb. Were you bothered by Caleb or the
lack of support he got from the head coach.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
All of it?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You know, listen, I got on here, you know when
he gave up nine sacks and everyone was trying to
blame the offensive line and I'm like, listen, there's shared blame,
and if I'm coaching the quarterback, I'm blaming the quarterback
for at least six of those sacks at least. But
yet they blamed somebody else. Then it was something else,
and they blamed the offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron. They fired him.
Now this situation, they're blaming the head coach who could
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have called time out. He shouldn't have needed to call
time out. You had thirty six seconds. You need to
save that time out. Two minute is different in the
second quarter than it is in the fourth quarter. Two
minute is different when you're down three versus if you're
down four or more. Like, at some level there's got
to be some shared responsibility by the quarterback. So if
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you're coaching the quarterback like with a closed door, I
think you need to be really critical. It was like
almost hilarious to me, how like every single comment that
someone said about the Bears, everyone would say like, oh,
you can't put that on the quarterback, Like why, Like
I don't understand why. Like the only way you're going
to improve as a quarterback is if you're coach tough,
if you're coached hard, if you tell the truth on Monday,
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and like, that's that's the part that I'm not sure
is getting done right there. I thought Matt Eberfluss probably
needed to be fired because of all the stuff, you know,
if you look at the totality of it. But really,
I thought what he did at the podium was he
tried to not throw his quarterback under the bus. But
I don't know who else you can really blame for
what happened in that situation if you're coaching the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, so, you know, I watched Baltimore and some you know,
I said this for years with Tiger Woods. There's a
lot of great golfers. There was one Tiger Woods and
guys shot a lot of good rounds and lost to
the media known as Tiger Woods. And I watched the
Ravens and I'm like, well, they lost to Kansas City
by a foot. You know, Philadelphia maybe the best roster
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in the league. You know, you start looking around and
you're like, Okay, the Raiders game is what it is.
But I watched them handle the Chargers. I'm like, I
think it's a good team. I just think the greatest
kicker ever has hit a wall to keep losing These
close games. I think if they hit field goals, they win,
and just sometimes it happens like it just I'm not
(14:19):
selling my Lamar Baltimore stock, but a lot of people are.
How do you view.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Them, Yeah, they shouldn't listen. I believe in Lamar Jackson
one hundred. He's incredibly fun to watch. I believe in
a weird way, he's underrated. People think of him as
the runner, but he's a great passer as well. I
think he's a great leader. Uh, they've played a little
sloppy this year. Yeah, obviously the special teams, which was
always a strength for this team. You know, they're in
a bit of a you know, they're in a bit
(14:45):
of a rut right now. And just listen. Having held
for field goal kickers for a lot of my football
playing career, you know, going back all the way down
to you know, he's from high school to holding for
Adam Venattier near the end of my career, like you know,
understanding that it an operation like it's it's long snapper,
it's holder, it's kicker, and just like a golfer, sometimes
(15:05):
you're you know, you have a stretch where you're not
in the fair way much, but I trust Justin Tucker.
I kind of trust that team, and and I do
think that this team will be a team that's battle
tested once the playoffs come around.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Matt Hasselbeck joining us. It's so funny with the Eagles.
They're an awful first quarter team, but yesterday they were
a great, dominant second quarter team, and then they were
bad in the third, then they were unstoppable in the fourth.
But I when I watched them, every unit has like
an unbelievable player. They're so stacked. And it's like, but you've,
(15:40):
like You've been telling me this for a month. I've
been pushing back. There is something with Sirianni. Aren't you
a little concerned that eventually in the playoffs? You're not
concerned that I fell.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I like Nick Sirianni. I think he's a really good coach.
I think the Eagles are a really good team. I
feel like I like the Eagles more than Eagles fans like,
which is in a weird way, like I believe in
them more. No, listen, I thought, like yesterday's game, they
coached around their injury situation. Injury situation, they didn't have DEVANCEE. Smith,
and so they said, okay, you know what we are
going to be. You know a lot of people talk
about RPO. The Eagles in that game, they were an
(16:17):
RRO offense, a run or a run option. It was
either Jalen or it was Saquon. And then once they
get into the red zone then they operate there. They're
more they're like RPO game where it's either Jalen Saquon
or Dallas Goddard, Jalen Saquon or a J. Brown. They
they coached around the situation that they had understanding who
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the quarterback was on the other side. I think Jalen
hurts through for like one hundred and eighteen yards. He
had seven completions that ended up in a first down.
Like it wasn't that kind of a game, but it's
winning football. Vick Fangio does a great job. I've told
you Kellen Moore is learning his guys and really it's
a one to two punch in the defenses off balance.
(16:58):
I thought they mixed up tempo. I just I like
Nick Sirianni. I think he's got his team focused each
and every week, and we pay attention to some of
the antics like on game day, but I think if
you look at that team, like Monday to Saturday. They're
locked in. They don't have distractions.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So do you think it's easy for me to say this?
Do you think in the locker room that those veteran
Niners players know it's this ain't working, it's time for
a reboot. I mean, they're highly compensated. But do you
think in the room they're questioning we got to start
over because I watch Philly, I watched Detroit, I watched Buffalo,
(17:37):
I watch Baltimore. San Francisco's not close. They're not one
big swing away. They're old, expensive, brittle, hurt a lot.
Do you think they know that?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, I don't think I hear what you're saying. I
think they feel that this year, Like I think the
real talk or the real thoughts are something like, man,
this just isn't our year, Like we're banged up, and
I listen, you mentioned all I played eighteen years in
the NFL. Not every year was the same. There were
some years where I just wasn't banged up, felt great,
my teammates felt great. Just that's how it was. Then
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there were other years where we felt snake bit. Everybody
in the building had an injury, every player shoot, we
had coaches basically getting surgery during the season. It was
just like, what's going on with this team right now?
We feel cursed or something. I think that's what they feel.
I feel like the forty nine ers are probably like, man,
we can't catch your break this year. This is not
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our year. But I don't think they feel like, oh,
we got to blow it up, start over, get younger,
because there's no king in that division. The NFC West,
it's like right there, they can taste it, they know
they're close, and they feel like, if healthy, it would
be their division. But I think it's a real thing
where you feel snake bit a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, So speaking of that division, because I think all
of the teams have something. Seattle again just keeps winning
the Rams. Now Stafford's on a bit of a heater.
Now Stafford's playing well. That game, by the way, flew
by it. It was like it was like one of
those baseball games now when you have the starter pitcher,
it goes like two hours and twenty minutes. The Rams
(19:07):
game was like over like that, and you're like, okay,
do you buy the Rams? Because this is a quarterback
head coach league, especially in the playoffs. And I think
their defense is actually in the front seven pretty tasty.
What do you make of the Rams? Do you buy
them at all? Do they worry you? Do you think
they could? You know, last year they shocked us. They're
(19:29):
better than last year? I think, what do you make
of them?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, listen, it's it's a fun division. So a really
good team's gonna win that division with a bad record,
which is like I wouldn't say that about the NFC South.
I think a bad team with a bad record is
going to win that division. But there's going to be
a good team coming out of this NFC West. The
Seahawks are hot right now. That was a good win,
but it was also a win against a you know,
a three win Jets team. But the Seahawks in Arizona
(19:56):
go head to head this week. This eat This division
is going to kind of eat itself, and I think
that if they can stay healthy, Matthew Stafford is playing
really good football. Now, that second half was great football.
That first half, you know, wasn't quite as good. So
you know, this is a team and this is a
division that I truly think it could be anybody's division. Yeah,
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and you can't really say that about much of the league.
You know, some of the teams that are winning their division,
they're playing against people that have already packed it in. Yeah,
they're they're putting guys on the ir they're saying, hey
for who, for what, We'll see you next year. That's
not at all how this division is. Everybody feels like
they're in it, and so for that reason, I think
this is going to be one of the more competitive
and more fun divisions to watch as we finish out
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the year.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, he's got a one twenty one passer rating, eight touchdowns,
no picks in the last three games, and so, but it.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Was interesting, Colin, Like, I think they didn't score a
touchdown in the first half, which is something that a
Sean McVeigh team hasn't done. And they've actually been super
Bowl against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They've been a weirdly bad first half offense. And I
don't know what the answer is because mcveigh's brilliant, but
they've been I don't I couldn't say the last great
first half they had. They adjust, they play well late,
but it's you know, it's like Philadelphia. I can't explain
Philadelphia in the Rams first quarters, they have.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I think one thing that does happen is you don't
really know what somebody else's game plan is going to
be against you until you get into the game. Like
if you're unique, like I think Matthew Stafford's unique, I
think Jalen Hurts in that Saquan offense now is unique.
So you get into the game and you're like, oh, okay,
now I see what their game plan was. They're gonna
play us Nickel getting five dbs when we're in big
(21:33):
people personnel, got it? Or say, oh okay, I know
what they're going to do. Now, They're going to play
a two shell and allow no big plays. Got it.
But you don't necessarily know that until you get into
the game.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday. Always love having you man,
make us smarter. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You bet eighteen years in the league, three time Pro Bowler,
Super Bowl trips.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in noon Easter not a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
App Denver Broncos Bonick Sean Payton Tonight, what is the Grimace?
How about they win by a couple of touchdowns, a
couple of tuddies.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So first of all, do you have any money on
this game at all? I don't have a cent on it.
I have no read on this whatsoever?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I do I do? I have a read. Here's what
I'm reading, Yeah, Denver another w Boenicks three touchdown passes.
Read it here in the Denver Post. Here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So I'm going against BONICKX and fantasy. You know my
brother is too, so we're rooting for Bonicks to do
nothing tonight.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I'm I'm a Browns fan. I know you don't
care about that, but there.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Is a world where Bownicks comes back down to earth
just a little under the spotlight of Monday night football
against the Browns defense that showed up against russ Remember it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Was a blizzard. It's much easier with you can't see.
I went to that Cosm Dome to watch that game.
Honestly won. I think I said this on the air.
I'm like, so I was sitting watching the game and
this cause ms amazing and it makes you feel like
you're at the game and I'm kind of standing where
a safety would be and I'm like, how do you
(23:10):
see the running back, there was a blizzard. You couldn't
see anything tonight. It'll be clear vision for one bow.
Nick again.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Amounts five and a half something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I like Denver comfortably.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, j Mark with.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
The news, No, no, this is the herd line.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'll be texting you at about seven forty five.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, okay, can't wait for that one. Let's start with
Thanksgiving Day and the Lions.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So they survived in the in uh in a rough
game against the Bears.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But the big story that we over the.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Weekend with Jamiir Gibbs, the talented young running back. Running back,
he inadvertently leaked some of the play's past protection calls
when he posted a video of a teammate on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You can see it here on FS one.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't know why he would post his same in
front of the whiteboard with all that information and it
had code words for calls.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
At the line of scrimmage. Well, Dan Campbell was talking
to the media.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
The media is grilling and Campbell about this, and here's
what Dan Campbell said about it.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I don't really give a crap. I mean, if we're
going to lose because the code words, then we're not
good enough. Anyway. So I think we'll just post the
whole freaking playbook out there and every code word we got,
and it's it doesn't matter. It's not going to hurt us,
it won't affect us, and it's all good.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
By the way, guys, can you keep your phones, you know,
in your locker? You ever go to the gym. I
see this at the gym. I can't believe it, and
guys are checking their phones. It's like, guys, you can't
give an hour of your day to sitting on your phone. Like,
don't take phones into restaurants and the gym and the meetings.
I can't believe that an NFL team allows players to
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have their phones in meetings.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I had a great look for Gibbs and then he
had the fubble inside the five yard line.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That was a killer.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I do like Campbell's reaction, like, I don't give a crap.
This is the Dan, this is leadership right here, us
against the world.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Our guy screwed up. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I'm with him?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The media they want Jamier gives his head for this
is it's.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Not real smart, it's not it's not genius level stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But uh, you know, they got a big game this
week against All Thursday.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I see the line, the line of shrinking.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Let me get let me guess what. So where's the game?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Was Detroit minus six? Detroit at home against backers?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No, I take green Bay minus Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Not six anymore, what is it? It's minus three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, yeah, green Bay some major injuries on defau No,
they went and got Jamal Adams.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I mean I didn't even see.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Them, went and got Jamal Adam. They got linebacker issues.
They're all banded.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Two of their top three linebackers are out now. Not
not good at.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I like green Bay in that game.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think I do too. I like that coming on
and then it opens the door. Could Philly host.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
The NFC Championship. Detroit having to go outdoors in January
to the link not great good. I said this on
my podcast last night. I would take this morning phill
It over Detroit. And I didn't feel that way three
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I don't think that's a hot take. Now here's a question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Is Philadelphia the best team in the NFL now? Because
you were saying Detroit a week ago, was.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I didn't Buffalo, Buffalo and Philadelphia and then Detroit Kansas City.
Those four put him in any order you want, but
that feels like it to me. I'm tell you up.
Buffalo playing at home.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Decent, Yeah, they're decent.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Next up the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team I owe an
apology to, huh what are performance? They beat the Bengals,
scoring forty four points. Russell Wilson was tremendous. I what
are resurgence for Russell Wilson. But a subplot here is
mister George Pickens. As you see here on TV. He
made headlines for all the wrong reasons, getting two unsportsman
(26:45):
like penalties and was lucky to avoid an ejection. I
don't know what he's doing, man, He's up putting football
on a Bengals player's head.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
He's making the finger guns, like, dude, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So Mike Tomlin addressed his wide receiver's antics.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
He just got to grow up, man. This emotional game,
these divisional games are big. He got a target on
his back because he's yours.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
He understands that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But he's got to grow up. He's got to grow
up and hurt.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
He does. That's that's well. Put you don't it's fine
against Cincinnati, but you're not. You know, the margin shrink
when you play playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You don't want to go overboard. But is there a
little Randy Moss in this kid? I mean, Moss was
supremely talented pickets.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's unbelievable. I mean, watching this guy in space and going,
I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
For whatever reasons, wide receivers. It's an emotional position, whatever reasons,
and so it's not the first time we've seen this.
You know, it's even receivers I really like, get highly emotional.
So it's just it's kind of just part and parcel
to the position.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I think now, if Tomlin knows his receivers, well, he
moved off member Deontay Johnson, they just got he.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Knows his person though.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
By the way, side story, did you see what Deontay
Johnson did for the Ravens yesterday?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nothing Steelers markets think about this. Steelers tend to move
off for severe at the right time. Antonio Brown, Jujus Smith, Schuster,
Martavius Bryant, Chase Claypool, Deontae Johnson, they know. Now, I
think Pickens is better, is more talented than all of
those except ab.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
A Okay, yeah, yeah, ab was I mean listening easy.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Not he's all time talent, Like the guy's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So Pickens has to clean that up. Call I don't
want to get listen. I obviously owed the Steelers in apology.
I've been bashing them all season. Fugazi, fraudulent. I mean,
they had eight different pass catchers with a twenty yard
catch yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Eight. Who's the second best team in the AFC? It
take your time on this.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, Buffalo's number one, Kansas City's two coaching quarterbacks, neutral field,
Kansas City, Kansas City for sure. Yeah, Pittsburgh will be
close with the Pittsburgh's not getting blown out by anybody.
It's like Philadelphia is too good. If Philadelphia loses, it's close.
If Pittsburgh loses, the way they play, it'll be close.
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They're just they're just. Russ doesn't turn them ball over,
so they're like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
He threw a pick six early.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I know they're not.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're at Russell, but.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hundred yards yeah, I mean it's just beats you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean, Arthur Smith has done some impressive stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Too, has been a great hire for them.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I mean, they got You can't really man up Pickens
because he's gonna beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
One on one.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Friar move is good, Nase Harris. I mean the kid
Austin had some nice catches.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know, they they're they they're good. I mean we
said this last year. I think they have a top
five roster in the league. I said it last year.
They just weren't good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And you know, Russ again, maybe I'm getting sucked in.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, he's only played like six or.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Seven I've been saying this now for a year. You
all keep clinging to Aaron Rodgers is good and he's not,
and you all keep bashing Russell and he's actually good.
But I mean this whole thing about Aaron's done. Kirk
Cousins looks done. Russell Wilson's noting that incredible Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Rodgers is done. Russell Wilson was supposed to be done
two years ago.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Now he's back down. I mean, Rusk could go to
the ac Chimpions.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well. Russ also, oh, I think works harder in the offseason,
is more focused. And I also think the Steelers are
a better organization by farther than the Jet. So a
lot of times in life it's where you land, and
I think Russell landed with a you know, an elite organization.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Last thing on the Stealers Coach of the year is
Tomlin or Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You got, well, Pittsburgh's got better players, so you'd say
Kevin o'conn If Sean Payton gets this team into the playoffs,
I give it to Sean Payton. Oh Over, they were
a five win over under team with a rookie quarterback
in a division with Mahomes, Hardbaugh, Herbert and Nanny Reed.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's hard they get it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Sean, Sean Payton, Tomlin, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm not a huge awards guy, but that's a tough one. Also,
we need to talk about the high school at some point.
I just file it away.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
We do.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I know nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
The final story is, uh, Minnesota Vikings didn't not start
strong yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It was really ugly.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I think they had like seventy five yards at halftime
or they.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Didn't to be only three penalties. They were super efficient.
They got out game big by Arizona.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What hurt early on Aaron Jones had a fumble in
a drop and they bailed on him that throat.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But I think that was the fourth down pass to
Justin Jefferson, Sammy D. He was excellent.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sammy D was bringing in, man, you need a.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Game winning drive, sam Doarnold's your guy, comforting a fourth
and long and then the go ahead score with seventy
seconds left.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep, fifth straight wins. Listen, they're ten and two.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I know it's crazy, and they're gonna be the fourth
seed in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And you know they've done it. It's like Baltimore has
tried to work through its problems special teams in defense,
but has lost a lot of games. Minnesota, in the
weaker conference, has worked through some problems, but they're winning
those games. Remember the Jacksonville game they won. They were
terrible in the red zone. They weren't very good for
two and a half quarters in this game. So Minnesota,
(31:40):
it's a little bit of an advantage to play in
the NFC over the AFC.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Huge, Sorry, not fourth seed for Vikings.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Fifth.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So they're gonna have to go on the road in
their first game and I'm taking them over over Tampa Worth.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are you sure they're not going to win the division?
When Detroit loses Thursday, that opens thing up. I like
Green Bay Thursday against Detroit. I can't believe that opened six.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, it was six on the look aheadline and then
the injuries and the unimpressiveness Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So it's down atwe an a half. But yeah, Packers Viking Lions.
That's a tough three.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I wouldn't cancel Minnisota out from winning the division.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And oh, by the way, like Green Bay going to
Seattle or Arizona, that's not a tall order. We could
have three teams from the North in the second round.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Listen, Chicago is like five plays from being an the
eight played day, they've played elite eight winough.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That's why a lot of people like that job and
like them. This week in San Francisco, it's like, you know,
I guess we'll say.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It for later.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Vis Jaymack with the News, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie. I was thinking
about this with a San Francisco forty nine ers. You're
not going to fire Kyle Shanahan. He's very good, but
I do think you have to get him away from personnel.
And here's what happens. It hurt Bill O'Brien, hurt Gruden,
(33:07):
it hurt Belichick. I think it hurt Pete Carroll is
that What happens is the coaches, the star coaches make
three times what the general manager does. I mean McVeigh
makes much more than less need Shanahan is going to
make much more than John Lynch. And so when these
coaches get into these power situations, they get a lot
of personnel. Say, and I think Kyle is drafting players
(33:31):
for the moment. They've let their O line and their
D line. They've neglected it, and I think he has
to step back. You know, Pete Carroll and Seattle. The
death of Paul Allen, there was the leadership void of vacuum,
and then Pete kind of got in and had, in
my opinion, a little too much control with personnel. John
Snyder was going to take the Lions job. They pulled
(33:52):
him back, and John the last two or three drafts
has controlled it. Shocker. The Seahawks have had three straight
great drafts. I like Kyle Shane, but I look at
their drafts and it feels like the coach has a
little bit too much power. Now, there are some coaches
who are very good with personnel, Sean Payton, Jimmy Johnson.
I've been told mcvays good with personnel. He's got a
(34:15):
real sense for it. Most coaches, I think are better
off coaching players playing gmsgming. But I mean I when
I look at Kyle Shanahan on that team, I mean
they're spiraling out of control. There's no easy fix. They're
not one swing away. And when you're watch him brock
pretty on the field with Josh Allen, remember what these
(34:35):
games are going to look like in December and January
February as they're going to look like that. That look
like an even fight at quarterback. So here's Shanahan on
his team spiraling out of control.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
This is the hole we put ourselves in and made
a lot tougher, and if we want to get out
of it, we got to do some special here. We're
not as good as a team as those past teams,
so that's kind of how I look at it. And
then we're not the same.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Team at all.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Every team each year is different, but I'm not going
to say that this team is the same as last
year's team or just out fining us art and we
got a bunch of different guys out there. We've been
trying to find our ways since the beginning.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Haven't quite found that yet. There's still a lot of
season left and we expect to play better. And by
the way, when you added the cold and the snow
and the wind to Buffalo, that looked like Josh Allen
against Mac Jones last night. I'm just saying, I mean,
you can talk about you want, everybody looks good in
September and October that football game. That's what the weather is.
(35:32):
That's why northern teams historically, that's where the dynasties happened.
As good as the Dolphins were with Marino and Shula.
Dan Marino got the one Super Bowl, John elwe got
to a lot of them in cold weather Denver. Because
this is how this sport ends every year it looks
like that.
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Speaker 1 (36:13):
So during the Michigan Ohio State game, when it ended
and this thing will go away. It was the flag
planting and so it got really ugly during Ohio State Michigan,
but Arizona State that at the Arizona South Carolina that
the Clemson North Carolina did at the n Z State.
By the way, Texas was going to do it to
(36:34):
Texas A and M and sort pulled the Longhorns off
the field. He's like, nah, I've been watching TV today,
I know what's going on. Get out of here. So
it's going to go away. Kids are emotional. I'm not
going to make too much of it. The much bigger
issue because they won't allow this stuff going forward. It'll
be a huge fine. And you know when you have
a big rivalry game and nineteen to twenty three year
(36:55):
old kids, stuff can get sideways pretty quick. This is
pretty classless both sides. But it happens. It's ugly. I mean,
there was pepper spray. It was brutal. It's not the
end of the world. It'll get fixed real quick. So
the bigger issue is and it's that Ohio State has
lost or I'm not sure it's ever had under Ryan
day an identity. They brought Chip Kelly in to be
(37:18):
more of a run centric power football, because that's what
Chip Kelly does. But they're not. And I said this earlier,
and I really believe this. A head coach's job is
to win games, and sometimes he's got to tell a
coordinator or a special teams coordinator, we're not going for
a block here, we're not blitzing here, we're throwing the
(37:38):
ball here. It felt like Ohio State was trying to prove, hey,
we can be more physical than Michigan. Well, Michigan's two
best players are arguably defensive linemen, so it was going
to be hard to run on them. And Ohio State's
old lines all banged up this year. Throw the ball.
I mean they were missing in one of the better corners.
I believe Michigan was like, throw the ball. You're at home, speed,
(38:01):
the tempo up. Michigan's not as deep as you. This year.
They lost too many NFL guys. And so Ryan Day
acted a lot like coordinators act. And I do think
a lot of it. And you know, Ryan Day's a
good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. He's
not Urban Meyer, he's not Nick Saban, he's not Dabo Sweeney.
But I seen this before. Is that Mark Rick at
Georgia never been a head coach before the Georgia job.
(38:24):
He did a good job, he was a fine coach,
But j always felt like, what is Georgia beyond talented?
What's their identity? An Urban Meyer team, a Saban team,
a Pete Carroll team. There are multiple steps that Ryan
Day skipped. He was a quarterback coach briefly a coordinator.
Your job that's usually like Dayton or Toledo, that's not
Ohio State. So I feel like he's struggling to have
(38:47):
an identity, and your identity should be based on a
couple of things. One your personnel. Ohio State has become
the best wide receiver university in the country. They have
a great recruiter Brian Hartline, and their receiving corps every
year is better than fifty percent of the NFL or more.
Throw the ball, spend money on quarterbacks, left tackles, and
(39:09):
recruit high school wide receivers. Throw the ball. That's what
you are. Oregon, by the way, has figured that out.
Oregon has a real identity with Dan Lanning. And again
this is a guy who's never been a head coach.
But Dan Lanning is like, we are gonna play relentless
aggressive football, but they recruit California speed. So Oregon's like,
let's go pay money for a transfer quarterback and we're
(39:29):
gonna spread it out and throw the ball. Oregon has
an identity, so some coaches who have never been head coaches,
they can figure out that identity. When I watch Oregon,
Oregon is telling you we're faster than you. We're gonna
spread you at. You can't cover our receiver. We got
too many good fast guys. You don't have that many
good corners. Let's roll, we're gonna throw the ball. We're
(39:51):
gonna go vertical, and they play hard and they're aggressive
and they go for it. Oregon's got that identity with
Dan Lanning. You're not beating us in outson, We're faster
than you. We're a track team. You can't keep up,
and we're going to hit you in them out. We're
going to be hyper aggressive fourth downs, We're going for it.
Let's sing, We're all for it. I don't know what
Ohio State's identity is. They're talented. Michigan has an identity,
(40:16):
and their identity this year is they can't pass, but
they're physical. They're physical and they can stop your run.
But that was a That's as bad a loss as
I can ever remember an Ohio State team having at
home against a walk on quarterback. Michigan was missing two
(40:39):
of their best players. I mean, it's just I woke
up the next morning I still couldn't figure it out.
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