The Draymond Green Show w/ Baron Davis: Draymond Green REVEALS Kevin Durant trash talk in Warriors-Suns + LeBron James slump

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Speaker 4 (01:30):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
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talk about obviously the Warriors, we'll talk about lebron shooting slump,
and then we'll also react to the ESPN Top twenty
five lists Under twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, excited, man list?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh man, fucking list?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Tell me about you know what. I'm gonna stay on
track and we're gonna get into that. But before we
get into that, I gotta holler that my folks, what's up?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Dub Nation? I love y'all, We love y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I know everybody's going to tune in here and be like,
all right, I need to hear what's going on with
the four game losing streak and how where's the team
in mindset? And of course when you're winning, everybody's like,
oh my God, they're back's twenty twenty two all over again.
And then when you lose a few, everybody's like, oh,

(02:39):
they need to make a trade immediately. And it's kind
of this way how we feeling right now. Obviously we
feel like we gotta win. You can't just keep dropping games.
And I think, you know, and I spoke about this before,
it's also one of the reasons that you want to
get off to a good start, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
So when we got off to a twelve and three
star I think that's.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Why you want to log them games, because the reality is,
you hit these rough patches during the season, and sometimes
you can want to do everything right, you can feel
like things are going right and it just don't go
your way, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's
why you want to log them games when you came
early on in the season, to kind of give yourself

(03:23):
a little cushion.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
So, Harry, are.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Riding a four game losing street and we're still two
games out of first, you know, but we're also two
games out of eleven. I think our mindset is we
got to get back to what was making us successful.
We were defending really well and offensively, the ball was moving,
you know what I'm saying. We were cutting, we were

(03:46):
knocking down shots, but we were knocking down shots because
we were getting great shots. Yes, I think the quality
of our looks over the last two weeks have dipped
dramatically and so in terms here not shooting as well,
and you know, things get a little thrown off.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
So we are confident. We're confident.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
We know we're still the same team we were a
week and a half ago when we were sitting at
twelve and three and nobody's in a panic.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But when you lose far in a row, shit out
of shame.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Man, I'm watching, you know, when things is rolling and
the magic is happening and the energy is high, you know,
and then you know, bad shots hit are great shots.
Right when you get in that lull and you take
bad shots, you know what I mean, Then bad shots

(04:40):
starts to mess with your pace, you know what I mean.
And that's what I'm really saying. In these last four games,
it's like, man, it's just the energy of the magic
kind of caught up to you know, being in like oh,
like I can just shoot this shot, and now your
pace is off. So getting back to like a solid pace.

(05:02):
And then I also, I have to say this, man.
You know it's early. You know, we talk about, you know,
preparation month to month, winning the month.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
The month of.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
November is over, December is a new month. But I
feel like y'all banged up a little bit, you know
what I mean. And I've been watching you specifically, Dog,
and I'm glad we got the show because I wanted
to wun Like, I feel like I'm looking at you
and I'm like Dre and Vett we can't. We gotta,

(05:37):
we gotta manage Dre for long term future. I was
just saying something, I want to know how you feeling
because I know you're gonna be questionable for tonight. And
then you know, automatically as your og, big bro, man time,
you know what I mean, Take your time, and I

(05:58):
want to know. We want to know how you feeling
for real.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So interestingly enough, I've played every game this year, which
has kind of been a goal of mine. And the
goal ain't to play like eighty two. The goal for
me is when I'm healthy, I'm on the court. You
know what I'm saying. If that's eighty two games, then

(06:22):
the goal becomes eighty two you know what I'm saying,
Like I've been around this long enough to know that
throwing out these frivolous goals and I'm gonna play for
eighty two games, like if it happens, great, But when
you start to throw out goes. Being a guy who's

(06:42):
a part of a team that won seventy three games,
I remember chasing at seventy three, and I remember I
played concuss at seventy three and I ain't tell nobody,
but I had got whacked by Joe Ingles. We was
playing in Utah that was coming towards the end, and man,

(07:03):
I drove on dizzy as hell, like for days. At
that time, I was living in Berkeley Hill, so it's
the wild man, I'm driving up there and like for days,
I'm just a little busy. But we we are little foggy, right,
but we're we're really close now, We're really close now

(07:24):
to closing in on that seventy three. So I'm like,
I can't miss a game or two. I can't go
into the customer. So I ain't tell nobody, but I
was fucked up. I was concussed, And being someone who's
been a part of that, I know the toll that
it took.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know what I'm saying, I know.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Everything that you're uphill strength, you know, fighting up hill
against and so to make a goal like, oh, I'm
trying to play eighty two games. Sometimes you just rolling
out there on the stretch in a wheelchair. And no
disrespect to people with disabilities, I'm just using the term
you're rolling out there peace together. I would say, I

(08:04):
would say you're rolling out there piece together. And just
to say I'm playing eighty two, but you probably really
shouldn't be on that floor, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
And so my thing coming into this season like if
I'm healthy.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I'm on the court, and that's been my monset, and
I played in every game. Over the last few games,
I've been a bit beat up, but still feeling healthy
enough to get out there on the floor and try
to help my team. And over the last few days,
a couple of days since I started to get this

(08:38):
calf tightness in my left calf. And the last time
I got left calf tightness.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
You was out three months the last time that happened.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's why that's yeah, that's my concern, right because it's
you know, hey, you're playing Hall of the Defense you're playing.
You're playing great this year, and you know it's you
older you extending yourself.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You Garden Weinb's you Garden was like.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
That, and so you know, like load management makes sense
when it makes sense. You dig what I'm saying, and
like that, Calf, I don't want you going through that,
you know what I mean. So it's like that's why
you know, I think we all out here in dub Nation.
I really just you know, want to see you healthy, bro,

(09:21):
and see you like the warrior that you are, the
dog that you are, the intellect you know, you just
you know so much and you can you can weave
through this calendar, in this schedule and be like Okay, this, this,
this and that, but it's important for the Doves to
have that healthy Dramond green because that's that's twelve and three,

(09:44):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Twelve and three look like yeah, one thousand percent. And
that's kind of where I'm at right now.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So with the experience that I have now and this
from what I went through in twenty twenty two. In
twenty twenty two, leading up to me missing those three months,
there was games and they're all in a row of
like yo, my left gloop's really tight, and I'm trying
to like roll phone, roll it out and doing different things,
and I'm like, man, it's just saying, you know, and

(10:12):
they're loosen up a little bit and then come right back.
But again, I didn't have the knowledge that I have
now and the experience that I had, and so in
my mind, it wasn't an.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
L five S one issue.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's just my glue type because I didn't even know
all those things connected at that time, and so the
symptoms that I was getting, I'm just like, oh, that's
a symptom because I've been playing games and I didn't
know what I.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Was up against.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
So this time some of the symptoms that I felt,
I'm able to better navigate and knowing like, all right,
you felt this, this could mean this. You may need
to slow down, you know, like it's okay. And so
I think the idea of it right now is like,
you know, tonight, you know, it's a it's an nd
season tournament game, Like I need to be out there

(11:00):
for this game. But at the same time, I seen
this movie before. You know what I'm saying, you go
out there chasing one game. I live the movie, you know,
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I listen, I'm just like im. I'll be one hundred
percent honest.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'm a little afraid, like to go through to go
through what I went through, uh two years ago and
missed three months.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Like I'm I'm a little afraid right now. I've been
saying that I have confidence in our staff. I have
confidence that I'm getting ahead of it right now because
I just got all these crazy symptoms and I don't
need to ignore every symptom, every symptom that I have

(11:44):
right now currently ignoring those symptoms, I know where they
lead me.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
You know what I'm saying. I don't want them to
leave me there.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
So if I can catch it right now and miss
a game or two or three, you know what I'm saying,
as opposed to missing two or three months, the smart
thing to do is to catch it right now while
I'm already getting these symptoms.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
And so that's kind of where I'm at with.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
It, man, And I think for like the viewers, you know,
my whole career, bro, I came into the league acl
from college and played the first year, had torn carlage.
Then the next year was like, oh shit, my back.
You know what's happening with my L four L five,
and like what I want people to know just through

(12:27):
my experiences, like that back ain't nothing to play with.
You could slip, you can get hit the wrong way right.
But it's also like I think the scary part of
injuries is like, oh, this hamstring is not bothering me.
I can play through it, and then all of a sudden,

(12:48):
it's your achilles, you know what I mean, Or my
CAF is bothering me, and then all of a sudden
your back go out right, and so you know, just
being able to like I know what you mean when
it's like it's scary because like that was my whole career,
Like playing in New York. I came in with a
back injury, I left with career ending knee surgery, you

(13:11):
know what I mean. And it was because you ramp
you rap, you rap, you rap you rap you rap,
you ramp up so much right that you're not thinking
about pacy And then when you.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Feel good, when you feel good.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You're not thinking about that injury until something weird, you
feel some type of weird tweak, and so injuries with
the psychological, especially as you get older, Like I think
it's more important to be way more conservative, you know
what I mean, because it's it's the long you know,
it's the longevity of it. And I don't think the

(13:48):
fans really understand that. You know, you can have a
bad elbow. You know, you can have an elbow, uh, tendonitis,
and then next thing, you know, you got a bad back, right,
and so injuries compound if you don't, you know, take
the time to let your body and your mind and
the trainers help you solve the you know, the problem

(14:12):
and solutions. So we want to see you back, but
we also want to make sure, man, that you are
taking care of and you're making sure that it's a pace,
you know what I mean. So it's a great season.
You're still in four right, two games out of first
the West as wild. And then we also saw Steph

(14:33):
you know we're talking about we getting into December, right, December.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
In January, February.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Most pivotabal, most pivotal month, right as far as positioning,
And then we heard Steph say, okay, we got this
thirteen man rotation. Do we need to shorten you know,
we probably need to be more predictable on the night
to night basis. Those guys can get a little bit
of rhythm. Is that shortening it to one or two guys?

(15:01):
Maybe you know, I wanted to get your I mean
get your take because you know you in the field,
like explain to these people.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
You start the season, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Thirteen But you know, I think what Steph is saying
is you're just starting to get you Okay, it's December time,
Christmas start, and now for y'all, Christmas basketball season is earlier.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Than it used to be. It used to be Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, I'm finally in shape, a finally in rhythm. National
TV game is cracking now with the end season tournament,
you know what I mean, in the Emirates Cup, it's like, damn,
that's a whole month ahead.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
You gotta be ready.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
To rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
It's crazy because I think of a guy who when
I came into the league, who was more of your
era but was still going when I came into the league,
was og Andre Miller? Uh give me at that time,
just say ya, I know I actually had the guard
point cards and like the whole like that's my matchup

(16:12):
and Andre Miller used to.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Be my mash up when I would come in the
game because used to post up, used to play dunker.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Drey used to do this thing where he would stand
out of bounds, under the rim and as a as
a as a defender. If he's underneath the rim out
of bounds, I can't just stand in the paint because
I'm not considered in the defensive three seconds on, and
so you have to go cleanse. And when you go cleanse,
he comes laid up.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And he had all these little tricks to the trade.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
But one of the things that I remember Dre Miller
used to say is in the off season, I let
my body naturally recover. I let my body naturally heal,
and then I let my body naturally get back in
shape and I my way back into shape. And so
he didn't do a ton in the offseason and come back.

(17:07):
As you know, at that time, training camp was three
to four weeks.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
You know what I'm saying. Nowadays, training camps three to
four days.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And he would work his way back into shape, and
guys would work them with their theirselves back into shape. Nowadays,
you're not allowed if you don't come into season in shape,
you are so far behind the eight ball.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Sure that for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You you're swimming uphill, you're swimming upstream because because now
guys are in shape, and so you're playing ketchup while
they're getting in better shape. Then at the speed that
the game is going, because everybody already came into shape,
now you're tweaking stuff. So now you're fighting against that
and all these different things. And so for us, now

(17:53):
you have to come into shape, into into the season
and shape which is a which is which is a drastic.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Change for guys in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
And so that's been one of the biggest differences since
I came into the league when I look back at
it now, you know, or and just where we are
now today, it's getting further and further that way, Like
you just mentioned the n Season Tournament, you know what
I mean, Like those games are like playoff intensity, you know,
and if you're not in the shape to bear that,

(18:25):
it all goes downhill from there and you could be
playing ketch up on something past the en season tournament
because you've gotten hurt.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And so when y'all start the season, that was the
end of our preseason every year. We knew that Halloween
was when the season started. You know what I mean, now,
y'all start in October fifteen twelve, you know, flying across
the country, and it's like you don't even get a break, right,

(18:54):
you got to really stay in shape the whole time,
because to your point, if you come in now, y'all
place so fast, and so being in shape is one thing.
Being in basketball shape is another thing. Being in basketball
shape and being in rhythm is another thing. So if
you gotta you gotta kick all that up by October.

(19:16):
So by October you got to be in your December,
you know what I mean, warm in October in order
to start getting ready for players. That's why I see,
that's why you see a lot of injuries though. You know,
even with the Cup, it's like, man, and people don't
understand the intensity of playing for something early in the season.

(19:36):
Is it just you just exert way more energy than
you do on a double overtime game in direct you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's just like it's your sensors are up, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
The calf and.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
These injuries you speak of myself tonight, calf right, Like, yeah,
it's calf injuries, it's halmstring injuries, soft issue injuries. Because
all the way down exactly what's more than not comes
from fatigue over you. You know what I'm saying, like,
those are where those injuries come from, and so.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I'm not one to sit and complain about them. You know.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
For me personally, I think you know, people will say, like, yo,
you should shorten the season. I don't believe that. And
the reason I don't believe that is because a we played.
It goes back to what I said to Jason Tator
when I was telling him we should all play in
the twenty twenty Olympics. In twenty one we started just
to build Hall of Fame resumes. The guys that played

(20:36):
before us play eighty two games in order for us
to compete against them.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
As far as resume building, we need those eighty two games.
Another another reason I don't think this season should be shorter.
Who taking less money?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Everybody always be like, oh, if they only played seventy
games as opposed to eighty two games, that's twelve less
games somebody paid. There's twelve less gates that's being collected.
That's twelve less TV appearances of TV games. This means
that's twelve less sponsorships on the court. That's twelve less
sponsorships on the seat. That's twelve less sponsorship games. That's

(21:12):
twelve less games of sponsorships on the stasion of the WHO.
That's twelve less opportunities to make millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Who taking less money.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, So when people are like, oh, they should shorten
the season, no, they should because ain't nobody agreeing to
take less money. And if you shorten the game, the
games and the schedule that map just don't work. So
I am not of that consortium of like, oh, man,
gods should sit out, I mean, should shortened season. No,

(21:43):
when you're hurt, this is what we do, and this
is a part of what we do.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
A part of what we do is getting injured. Like
when you play what we play in the NFL, it's not.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
If you get an injured, it's win. So that's just
part of what we put our bodies through. And people
just need to understand that guys are going to get
hurt and that's just the reality of it. And you
should know and trust that guys want to be on
the court. Guys are working their ass off to get back.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
On the court.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
But even more so, even more importantly than working their
ass off to get important.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
The work that guys are doing to stay on the court, you'd.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Never imagine, and so no trust as fans of this
sport that injuries are going to happen. That's just the
nature of what we put our body through with the travel,
with the pound and the competition that we go in
to battle that were going into night in and night out.
The injuries are going to happen.

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Speaker 2 (24:16):
So the thirteen man rotation to start a season that
it's almost like you're validating that saying that, like it's
important to play a lot of your players early in
the season based on preserving you know, your superstars or
you know, for you guys have a thirteen minute rotation.

(24:39):
Now Step is saying we gotta start cutting. Can you
just explain thirteen and how you start dwindling, you know,
as far as the season go, how you start like
ramping up and ramping down in your rotation to get
prepared for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So interestingly enough, as you know, people don't start ramping
down till after the All Star break, you start to
kind of shorten that rotation all of a sudden. If
you were playing eleven guys, now you're playing nine.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
You know what I'm saying. You getting in the playoffs, some.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
People only go eight deep, you know, and when you
get in the playoff games, that's never It's really if
you go back and look at any Steve Kirk coach team,
that's never been our m O. It's only seven or
eight d never ever been our m O. That's why
you've had the Ian Clarks, you know what I'm saying.
That's why you've had those different Quinn Cooks. You know

(25:35):
what I'm saying, Guys, who Quinn Cook played in the
NBA finals man like Queen Cook Queen Cookies, Queen Cook
played in the NBA Finals like he didn't just like.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
You know what I'm saying, like Swags.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
A little different, like Swag's career in the league point
scorer before close to it.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know what I'm saying. But I mentioned of guys
like Ian Clarkett and.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
For sure Cook is because they were fringe guys, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
They were French guys that work their way onto teams.
To my other dude, what's the other dude?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
H McCall, Oh, Patrick McCall, Well, he was the second
round pick. But you got like the one Tuscano understand,
like Tho Damien Les, like all of them due out
the mud, undrafted, worked their way up through the G League,
made the team and then actually contributed.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
The reason you know, those names.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
That that has competed with us and won championships are
because Steve has never ever been the guy who's just
gonna run his guys into the ground.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right, So now now let's take this a step further.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
The top two guys, it's thirty four and thirty six
about to be thirty five and thirty seven. Do I
run them into the ground or do I take advantage
of what Mike Dunleey has done and use.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
All this Yeah, yeah, I got yeah, I got fun.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
When we were just twelve and three, everybody's like, oh man,
they're using depth and it's working. When you lose four
in a row, Like Steph said, there is always something
that has to change. And the first thing you're going
to look at because it's the most abnormal thing in our.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
And that is that is that's more app like we're
not talking about usually it's like, okay, nine, maybe a
coach play ten. If you got an eleven man like
from a coaches perspective, like an eleven man rotation, bro
is insane, you know what I mean, A thirteen man rotation.
It's unheard got it's unheard of. You gotta be you

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gotta be out of your mind to be able to
understand rhythm, flow time, schedule, playing time. Who play thirteen people?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
And so it's tough.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I mean, it's tough to get a rhythm like you know, like.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
To STEP's point, right, like to STEP's point, he said,
We she said, do we need to shorten it, we
probably need to be more predictable on the night to
night basis, so guys can get a little bit of rhythm.
Is that shortening one or two guys?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
So the steps point and what Steph is saying, I
absolutely agree with the rhythm thing. Uh, you like, you
need to play and play a little time to find
a rhythm in this league. Because also if you're subbing
into the game, guess what when you subbing at the
six minute mark, I've been out there for six minutes

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already getting the finding the flow of the game, getting
getting the jitters out, you know, like I've been out
there for six So now you're coming into that and
you gotta find a rhythm to do that in two
minutes or three minutes against gods who's already been out
there for six minutes, it gets a little tough. And
so what I will say is I totally understand Steve's theory.

(28:52):
I totally understand why the rotation has been deep. And
I wasn't necess necessarily totally against it thirteen deep. Originally
it was like eleven or twelve. Now it's thirteen. You
know what I'm saying, Like, I think that can get
a little tough, for sure. But I'm also not going

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to sit here and like I said, I wholeheartedly.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's a method to agree. It's a method right here.
It's a method to the methods, for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I'm not going to sit and act like we
lost four games in a row because the rotation was
too deep.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Like, nah, we ain't lose four games in a.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Row because the rotation was too deep. I can tell
you why we lost four games in a row. We
lost four games in a row because we absolutely bombed
won to San Antonio and lost an eighteen point lead
and midway through the third quarter, and then we absolutely
bombed another one against the Brooklyn Nets, a seventeen point

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lead in the third quarter. All right, and we're on
a four game losing streak.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So right, the third quarter team exactly quarter team too.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
You take care of those two wins.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
All of a sudden, we're on a two difference and
we are fourteen and.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Five and in first place in the West.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right, So to overreact, and not that I think Steph
is overreacting, because.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
That is a sentiment. That's a real sentiment, you know
what I'm saying. That's a real thing. But I mean
out in the world of people that don't know what
the hell they're talking about. I'm not going to overreact
and try to pinpoint one thing because those two games
go the way they should have.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And now now where you yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Rotation is wearing them out, But I mean, oh, hold on,
be I will say this though. Here's what I will say.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Now when you look at the thirteen man in rotation
in those two games, where I think and I have
not heard anyone make this argument, but I will help them.
These people out that are trying to just throw step
under the bus, I'll help them out if they want
to make an argument. But I'm also only helping you
out because most of y'all are dummies and y'all couldn't.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Make it for yourselves.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And which is if you want to condemn the rotation,
then what your argument should have been as well when
we lost those eighteen to seventeen point leads, A part
of that thirteen rotation was in its Stephen Draymond. And
now if you want to make that point, that would
more legitimize your argument as far as the rotation goes

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and what.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Has happened in the last four games.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
But if you're just gonna generally throw out, hey man,
it's a thirteen man rotation. And that's the problem you have.
You don't have real evidence to back up your statement.
The real evidence is when they lost those leads. Stephen
Draymond should have been back in earlier. If the rotation
with shorton Moses' movie was playing great, right like those
are would be the argument since saying that those same

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guys that was on the court were the same, ain't
guys that helped us get off?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And remember, I think we talked about this in one
of the episodes. Everything is a learning current, right, So
in that thirteen you know what I mean, there's a
winning combination and a confident five or two combinations of
five that's super confident and gotta go through.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Ay man, we messed that up, yes, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's not on Dre. It's not on Steph.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know like when my rookie year, when I was
coming off the bench, I only had about a good
four five minutes to hit a jump. If I don't
if I don't make my first jumper, bro, I better
get a steal something, you know what I mean. And
so like that type of rhythm and flow. It's it's

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hard for even the bench guys to get into a rhythm.
But once you kind of figure it out, like in
that you got a confident fight, and you gotta go
through some ups and downs during the season in order
to know how to get past it, you know what
I mean, in order to accept the responsible responsibility. And
I think it's smart to start off with thirteen and say, hey,

(33:15):
this is working, this is Roland. Okay, let's go to
eleven in December. Okay, January, we're at eleven. We're going
to ten in January.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
February we had ten after All Star weekend.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Boom, I'm at nod.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Then again, you don't know which combinations is gonna be
sticky too. And so I think when Steph is saying,
you know, being predictable, he said, even for himself, right, yeah, no, yeah, no,
I can do this boop fake go around to pick Jmond,
Well who else is all?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
In rhythm and then key with intune of what y'all doing.
So I think the predictability is like, all right, you
dudes need to sit on the bench and and and
be ready still, but you need to see like Okay,
this is how we're gonna pace ourselves for the rest
of the year, you know what I mean, because the
thirteen is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I've been y'a.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I've been wearing people down, out running them speed, you
know what I.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Mean, playing at a high high paste.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
You know that as the season starts to go, you
ain't gonna be able to play at that clip.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know what I mean. It's tough.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It's tough to sustain that. And that's you know, I
think that's pretty much what he's said.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And then.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I saw I saw you and KD. I saw you
hit the three and you're saying something to KD uh,
And then he hit the three on you, and y'all
was man, y'all was yeah, was yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I was chopping And then.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Got shot the first three B on the left wing,
huh and it felt so good and matt ISHB and moles.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Here, my smart dog.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I shoot the first one on the wing, and I
got K in front of me. I got them too,
sitting right of course side behind me. And so I'm like, oh,
I'm about to hit this three, and I'm about to
say something K and then I'm about to turn around
I'm about to say.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Something, and I'm about to say something, right, I missed it.
I'm like, ah.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So we come back down the court and I get
to Tracy in the right right corner and K kind
of closed out but not aggressively closed, and so I
hit the three. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker, you better.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
He started.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So then my dumb ass go help me in. I
go help me and they hit K in the corner.
K seven feet you know, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Come, I come flying out, I get my corner contest. Wow,
He's like, all right, no, you know, I shoot that motherucker.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
And the banter.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
The bencher was so good man, and we was bantering
back and forth the whole game, and it was great
banter man. I enjoyed it when I get the opportunity
to play against K. And it goes back to my
rookie year mark when KD had fifty four on us
and I got through in that fire late because he
was dragging Harrison Barnes and.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
A couple other guys.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
And then I got through into that fire that was
already blazing, and he continued on on his way and
he ended up with fifty four. I remember those I
still remember those matchups, and I remember the filling.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
That I had when I was going into those matchups.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I wasn't Draymond Green, Who's been a Defensive Player of
the Year, an All Star, and the NBA champion. I
was Draymond Green's second round pick, trying to make a
name for myself, and the opportunity to play against Kevin
Durant was one that I cherished because I have an
opportunity right in front of me to go up against

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the game great and one of the greats. And when
I would have the opportunity, it be like, man, this
is my chance to show that I belong on this
court with these types of guys.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And if I can just make it hard on him.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Nobody's expecting me to come out and lock Kevin Duranton,
but if I can make it hard on him, like man,
I did my job tonight. And I still think about
those matchups and where I was then.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
To be who I am now.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I still have that same sentiment when I go on
the court, and when I go on the court and
I play against Kevin Durant, I'm like, yo, I gotta
sit down, because it's also an opportunity for me still
to this day to see where I am defensively.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Can I keep up with a KD? Can I make
it a little tough?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And so just having that battle that banter was great, man,
and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
I mean, he has some great stuff to say about too.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
When Draymond's at this best is like a good balance
between being ultra aggressive and being on edge and also
just being a cerebral monster that he is. And I
think he's found that balance even better. I feel like
he always had it. Sometimes you tip the scales a bit,
and I think he's found that balance as he getting older,
as he experienced more things in the league, more things
in life in general. And you can just tell a

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by the start of this season that you know, he's
playing his best ball, shooting the buck basketball well this year,
I think over forty percent, you know. So you just tell, man,
he's just all his experiences up until this time has
just helped him out and made him the player of yesterday.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
When I actually saw this quote after the game, I
think the next day, and I was.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Thankful. I was thankful. I was appreciative because.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
And I am always someone that addresses things had on
last year, I got suspended with stuff with Nurkic and
Kad said something that I didn't like because I was like, damn,
kay got my number, Like you're going to go out
publicly and feed this narrative, Like yo, I hope you
get the help he need. I was upset about it,
and I felt a way and I was pissed. And

(39:18):
you know, I saw Kad in the off season and
we we we we chopped it up. We chopped it
up and man, the man, face the face, we chopped
it up, and I told him how I felt. He
told me how he felt and that damn I didn't
think that would be seen that way.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
You know what I'm saying. And we and we and
we talked about it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And then for him to come out and say this,
when you shared this, dang with something for someone, uh,
with something that someone does. When you share that, don't
be a hypocrite and when they say something, well, you
don't appreciate that, you know what I'm saying, Because when
he said that most things that many most many things

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that most people say, they don't bother me, they don't
affect me.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
I really don't give it that.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Kate is someone else Kate says something, I care. You know,
I cared a lot when he said that about me
last year. I'm not a hypocrite that's going to sit
here and say I don't care a lot that he
said this. I care a lot that he said and
it means a lot to me and my personal growth.
But also anytime you hear from your peers and especially

(40:36):
in the world bro that are as great as a
Kevin Durant and you hear him say the cerebral monster
that he is, he's playing his best basketball. He's found
that balance of aren't your aggressive and on the edge,
but boom, when you hear that from your peers, especially
one that you've gone to war with, won a championship with,

(40:58):
and one opinion that really to you. I was extremely
appreciative of this comment because it also is validation to
me of the things that you are working on are
showing you know what I'm saying KD.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I said last year.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
KD was always he was someone that will say to me,
when people say, oh, that's just Draymond being Draymond, he'd
be like, now, sometimes people give you that excuse. And
he said these words to me verbatim before he said, Yo,
Sometimes people give you an excuse to like, that's just
Draymond being Draymond.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
But I know what Draymond looked like at his best.
He said that. Those words to me verbatim, right, And.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
So to hear him say this as someone who I
know will call me on my bullshit.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
You know what I'm saying, someone that ain't just you
being Draymond, that's you bullshiting.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's someone who I know will say that because he
has said that to me. For him to say this,
it really meant a lot to me because it's your
brother approven of what he see from you. But also
and just my personal growth, my personal journey. For him
to see that he.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Saw when he was sucked up and he said it so,
and we don't like when people say bad things about.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Us, and he seeing when it's going well and he
said it, and I respect that. I appreciate that because again,
you say what you want about Kevin Durrant, he is
Kevin Durant. He is one of the stars of not
only generation. He absolutely I was very appreciative.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Somebody built Kevin Durant and my player before he was born.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Yeah, and he wound up being Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm gonna take I'm gonna make my guys. I'm gonna
create my player. He's gonna be set. But I love
this because you know, you play your whole career and
you have, you know, cross admiration for the dudes you

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compete against, even the dudes you may deem you don't
like or may not like. Like remember when we was
having Rondo, we was having a conversation with Rondo.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
It was like, man, I don't like Rondo.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Why I don't like Rondo is because I love Rondo
and I want to play like Rondo.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I'm mad he gets layups. I'm mad, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
But it's all in admiration, yes, until you really get
a chance to, like see somebody give flowers a lot
a lot of flowers being given out when you playing
and when you're in the trenches with people, because you
just don't want to give somebody that edge, and so
any type of acknowledgement from your peers, especially the great,

(43:48):
especially the real ones. Right for me, I started learning
to like accept that, like hold on, man, like damn,
that's how you know, because I love talking about great players,
right and whether before you may have heard like I
want to talk about him now. Man, I just respect

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damn near every player in the league sept for a
few because it's like it's so hard to get there.
But like they were great, you know what I mean,
they were like like their greatness was great, and like
every day they showed up to practice, whether you are
a bench player or whether you're a superstar. Now, the
superstars they hold a lot more credence. And so when

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they talking about you, you walk in that room and
they like they know you, you.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Them your brothers, they know you.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
And so that that that just put a whole different
type of battery pack. But I think it's also a
validation a lot of times because you don't get the flowers.
Like Draymond Green ain't getting the flowers that he deserve
right now, Lebron James ain't getting the flowers he deserved.
Steph Curry ain't getting the flowers he deserved, you know,

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Kevin Durant and getting the flowers he designs. Come on, bro,
it's it's like you when you play your nobody's ever
like the kids, you know what I mean, The kids
gonna love you. But the media to me has never
been the validation. No, it's always your peers. It's always
your peers. But that's why I love like doing media

(45:23):
now because now you got podcasters.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
And former athletes and retired dudes.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Like we know the game and we know who is
real and we know who not real, you know, and
so like having that admiration shout out to KD you know,
for just big up in you right and letting people know, man, yeah,
letting people know like what it really is, right because
a lot of times the media, y'all be playing games

(45:50):
and you know, these are bonds and brotherhoods, and you
know we we our own little tight knit community.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
So you know, it's just like that like giving you
your flowers in this moment.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
In his time, it was really dumb. Now it was fire.
I appreciated the hell out of it. Like I said
to your Rondo point, that was always me with Chris
Paul before I played with CP. Well, I'm like, yo,
I hate dude, but I would tell all my boys, like, y'all,
I don't mess with him at all, but I got
the utmost respect as a competitor. I'm like, yeah, I

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even even when I didn't like seeing when we was
at odds, I said publicly, like yo, people try to.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Say CP not a winner. That's just not true.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
You try to say this man out of winner because
he hasn't had the luck to win a championship. Follow
up said, because he has not had the luck of
winning a championship. And you try to say this guy
not a winner. I know a loser and I know
a winner. And when I play against this guy, I'm
not playing against a loser. I am competing against one

(46:56):
of the ultimate winners. And but I hated him, you
know what I'm saying. But a part of the hate was, Bro,
you be doing something of that shit I be doing it.
I don't really like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro,
you be doing something of that stuff I be doing
on the court.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Bro with it.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
So a part of it is like a little bit
of jealousy, Like, man, y'all, let' see P get away
with this.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I can't get away with nothing right like.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Admiration, but the way this man compete with he on
the court, Like I remember my rookie year with Jared
Jack and see he played together in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Jared Jack is my vet and Cep and Jack.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Got in the words, got in an argument, and right
there I was like, that's interesting because.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
They tight, like I know, they got a relationship, and.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
They going back and forth like arguing, And right then
was when I noticed, like, Okay, I see what type
of dudes he is.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
He'll care I like you or not. He gonna try
to take you out when he playing against you, and
it is what it is. And so I definitely understand,
you know, I agree with you on on that.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
And that was a great moment from me. I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm too
big to appreciate the contact.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
That's Kevin Durrett. I appreciated the hell out of that. Man.
We appreciate you, KD man.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Moving ahead, uh, big week ahead for us obviously, like
I said, riding this four game street, we have Denver
coming up. Then Denver and then we got Houston and
then we got on the back to back, we got
Houston and then or it's either Houston and Minnesota or
Minnesota in Houston. Big week and saying that a tough week,

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especially riding the four game losing streak, tough, tough, tough week. Uh,
facing Joker tonight, I won't obviously be able to face him,
which sucks, but that's all you know. When you're playing
against the Joker, it's always a tough matchup because when
Joker has the ball, he's one of the better scores

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in our league.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I think he's averaging right around thirty points a game, damn.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
But when he has the ball, everyone on the court
is live because he can find you and get the
ball wherever you are, if you're open, yep, and so
everyone else when he has the ball is live, as
opposed to say, let's just DJ out there. Let's say

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DeAndre for that matter, if DeAndre got the ball, everybody
not live because he can't necessarily make every play. The
Joker he can make every single play, So everybody on
the court with him is.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Live at all.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And it's not even just on scoring. It can be
on the past, it can be on the pick. We've
never seen something like Joker a point center drinktly like
he's a sinner and a point guard body with a
point guard brain, you know what I mean, with one
of them brains that you know what I mean? You
gotta be one of the ones to have one of

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the minds like that to be able to play the
way he plays. Yes, it's so unorthodox, right, but if
you watch, he's really just a pointed He's really a
point guard. It's really a he's Andre Miller. He's he's
like Andre Miller in the like his mind, Andre Miller

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was brilliant, like brilliant man. He knows how to set
the table and then at the end of the game
he's gonna walk you down in the post and then
he gonna start setting the table. It's like jokers live
all over the pushing it which is a slow push.
You're not ripping, you know what I mean? Like that

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Junker is something else, dude, is he's.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
A tough cover. He a tough cover. And like I said,
what makes them such a tough cover is in most
cases you'd say, hey, that guy gonna get thirty. It
is what it is. You try to make it tough. Yeah,
with him, he going to get thirty in twelve assists
and thirteen rebounds. And so he just he causes so

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much problems for your defense because of all of the
things that he does, and the ball is touching his
hand every percent time. I wish I was out there
to help with that matchup. But in saying that, good
luck loaning Trace let him get the experience I.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Wish I could.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I always love, like I just said, Okay, I love
playing against the grace man, just to just to see
how you used, you know what I'm saying. So I
want to be out there, but it's unfortunate that I
can't be. I gotta get this calf together.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I just don't want it to go so so I
gotta get this thing together. It's tight right now. But
good luck Lunas tricks, good luck man. Junker is my guy.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I think they're gonna learn a lot, you know what
I mean, Especially Chase, you'll learn a lot. It's not
even the assists are not even like they're not point
guard assists.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
No, they're more pompent because it's wide open.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Shots are layups so like, and it's coming from the
big guy, yeah, coming from the center. So to me,
it's mind boggling because yeah, he can throw out a
double team because he's gonna get double team. He also
like hitting dudes on the back door cut, you know
what I mean. But coming jumping in there fighting people

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opening and like that's that's man. Now you got the
Rockets coming in on Thursday. Second best team in the West.
As you know, I picked them as my underdog, my sleeper,
you know for the season.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I mean I like what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Talk to me a little bit about the Rockets, uh,
and like.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
You know, you y'all play them all. Y'all playing them.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Already, right yeah with out stuff actually yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
And tell me what you see now. Oh yeah, that
was a good game.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I remember that game. Yeah, yeah, over time, but they
can't ye eat name.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah yeah, he was getting up really well.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
He played really well.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
But I know, but I'm not I'm not surprised at
all that they're at, you know, right there at the
top of the West, second best record in the West
right now. Uh, because they've made moves over the last
couple of years. That shows you that they that's where
they want to be, you know, bringing in the uh
Fred van Vleet, who's winner, a champion, bringing him in
with all those young guys, bringing in a Dyllen Brooks

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who a lot of people hate, but you hate him
because he played hard.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
You know, you hate him because he always in the mix.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
You hate him because he gonna fuck with your best player,
you know what I'm saying. Like it's one of those
guys you hate to have them on you, you hate
to play against them. People love having them on their team,
right like they You bring in guys like that, even
a signing that they made last year that people don't
talk about because he don't play much, Jeff Green, but

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you bring that, You bring that veteran presence into the
locker room with all those young guys.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
That stuff matters, you know what I'm saying. Jalen.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I talked about Jalen Green earlier in our season, I
mean our podcast season and just the growth that I've
seen from him, you know, Singoon like the guy who
doesn't I'm gonna tell you, the guy who doesn't get
talked about. But I'm telling you and I play against them.
He is so important to what they do, but he
don't get talked about it all much anymore. Jabarsmith Junior

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Jabari Smith has turned into a guy who makes all
the little players who He's always the guy that when
you on the court, out there with them, he's like,
come on, fellas were good, Like he reassuring them to
keep going like he's turning into like one of the
leaders of that team, you know what I'm saying. And
he don't get talked about much, but Jabari Smith Junior,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
So I'm not surprised that they're having a good season.
And then also obviously Ma you Donker, you know what
I'm saying, May Different, He is an incredible coach, Man different.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You know what you see in Boston. What you see
in Boston credit to Joe Missoula and what but what
you see in Boston, those guys are also a product
of what May brought to them for that year that
he was with them. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
The mindset that he brought to us guys, absolutely, you

Speaker 1 (55:51):
So I'm not extremely surprised that there that the Rockets
are playing this well. And and then just looking ahead
to the man and the timberwo was after that, they're
starting to play better now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
They got off to.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
A rough start, yeah, and so that's going to be
a tough weekend as well. But on the flip side,
when you look at tough games like this and us
on a four game losing street.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
You can also win those games and right the ship.
Like it's one thing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
It's one thing to beat a team that has an
awful record and think like, oh man, we got off
the losing street. But to have to get off the
loser street the ones we're going to be playing against,
those are the type of things that can right the
ship and right the ship in a major way and
seen you on the run. So as tough as the

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opportunity is, just like when you invest your money or
anything else in life, the bigger the risks, the tougher
it is, the bigger the reward, the bigger the return.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So tough, tough week.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
For and they're not having you, you know tonight.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Now you start looking at that thirteen man rotation and
you say, oh, now a thing can say okay, well
Draymond is out. Like we got other players that have
been playing you know what I mean, that can do stuff,
and like now we feel like, okay, we still got
a shot because we've been playing thirteen you know what
I'm saying, So, oh.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, we'll be fine. We'll be fine. I like.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I like that thirteen or twelve or seven or something
like that will be I.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, and it's early, you know what I mean, Like
you ain't even hit twenty games yet. For sure, you
know what I'm saying. For sure, it's that thirty game mark.
It's the thirty game mark, in the forty game mark.
Once you hit the thirty game mark, Okay, these next
ten games are the most critical games that we can

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play when you get to that forty game because then
you know how many games you can win, how many
games you can lose if you make the playoffs or not.
That's where the calculations start. Sorry said, So it's all
good man.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Let's dive into what's going on around this league, my brother.
There has been a lot a lot of talk about
Brian the shooting slump that he's been in as of late.
He scored just ten points against the Timberwolves, but he
did have twenty seven and fourteen against the Jazz. However,
the twenty seven and fourteen he still had a rough

(58:34):
shooting night, not hitting any threes. People have been on
it him not hitting threes as of late. I think
the last I said he was old for his last
nineteen and so, of course shooting father time conversations has
started up now. Yeah, everybody wants to know his father

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time catching up with Brian.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
The answer is yes. And the reason the answers yes
is because every.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Year we get older in this league, Like every year
you get older, there's a point where you come in
this league, and every year you get older you get
better because you get more experienced, you're coming more into
your prime, you're getting stronger. And then every it gets
to a point to where every year you get older
you have to address and adjust and because now you're

(59:29):
kind of over the heel of the more experience you get,
the better it is for you.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
You're kind of over that hell now.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
And so it's father time catching up to him, absolutely,
because father time catches up to everyone are However, what
where I disagree is people are saying we just.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Saw it, he's done now, we've been waiting on it.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Now he's done. No, no, no, I disagree with that
quite frankly. What it looks like to me right now
is he's a little tired. But you also have to remember,
and I know all of y'all have forgot because you
forget things so fast, But what you have to remember
is you know they played into the playoffs last year
they fought an uphill battle to actually make it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
There and get to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And then he comes in and he does the Olympics,
and that is a two month a two month requirement,
no time on week, no time off. And so what
I think right now is I think Bron has just
hit a little bit of a wall right now. When
you hit walls, you eventually get through the wall, dingy.

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But right now I think he's a little tired, has
hit a wall. Does that mean father time is catching
up to him the way y'all are saying that, No, no,
so still the same Bron? Obviously not the same. Of course,
again he is getting older. But what the way people
are trying to throw it out there like father time

(01:01:03):
has caught them and it's here in our face and
we're just about to watch this decline happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
No, but what's your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
BD, brother? There is no decline. Usually when you get older, right,
you do a lot what less?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Absolutely right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
As you get older, you become a much better shooter.
You usually are getting shots created for you by someone
else who's young, talented, got you know, the most talent
it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
You look at ray Aalen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
People only remember ray Allen from Miami, but before that,
ray Allen used to do everything, you know what I mean, Jesus,
lebron James bro It's still playing the same way. He
is creating the opportunities still for his teammates. Ain't nobody

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getting lebron no open looks, Ain't nobody getting lebrono easy buckets.
Like he's still creating all of the like he has
to create all the energy and the chaos and taking
on his shoulders, you know what I mean, Because it
like there hasn't been the young dude that has come
along that compliment and say, you know what, og man,

(01:02:26):
fall back, let me get this triple double.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
You go give me some thries and do what you
gotta do. He don't have that luxury.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
And he's on a team with the Lakers where he's still,
you know, the best all around player, the most you
know what I mean, outside ad he is the most
needed person because they got to glue up around him
and so slump, yes, tired, yes, father time, Yes. All
of those things play into everybody's career every year in

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the season, whether you're a rookie, second year like everybody
hits a little snack where it's just like, hey man,
it's cold, you know what I mean, it's coding these arenas.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I ain't getting the shots, you know what I mean.
I ain't get my rhythm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But you best believe when the Lakers play again, ain't
gonna get over that slump. I'm not even worried about it,
you know what I mean. So you know, I remember
playing against Mike bro when he played for the Wizards,
and you know, he came into Charlotte and it was
like that, it was the craziest shit I'd ever seen.
There was no camera phones, but it was all kind

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of camera flashing and felt like everybody was recording with
a camera phone. That's how many cameras were flashing. When
he went to the free throw line, and I was
sitting there like, damn man. You know, I had thirty
two that night, and in my mind I was like,
damn Bro, Like, I'm Michael Jordan night, you know what
I mean, I am your coptain now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
And I was just looking at him like yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Just you know, sizing him up, like man, you brought
all this attention for me. I'm out here, I'm Michael Jordan,
No say nothing, no way, no way. I would never,
I would never say nothing. I was just giving him
that look like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Like, bro, you brought all this for me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Hey, they gonna be worrying about me tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
And then we go on the road and we're playing
the Washington Wizards and we got you know, we got Washington.
They weren't that good either. We're like, man, we're about
to go in here, We're about to pop them again.
I'm about to give me another you know, I'm about
to give me another twenty five twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I'm gonna do a different on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
And I watched this dude in the first quarter score
seventeen points. Oh, he went off dramond I watched. I
was not participating, Bro, I was so mesmerized. I was
guarding Teelu. Hey, if you watch the clips, you'll see

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me never help, never help. And it comes calling time out.
He like, Yo, what the hell y'all doing? Y'all just
gonna let this man get cooked. It was lee Ningling.
I said, damn, bro, my bad. I was just watching
like I got your help. I was like, man, I

(01:05:29):
got your help, let me get it. So I guard
him the first time I know he going to the fade,
so boo wo. He go to the fading and I'm
on this. I'm on top of the fade. He go
to fade.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
I'm like, man, get that ship and he leaned back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Like another ism. Okay, all right, man, I got this fool.
He go to the post again. Boo boll, I know
this ship coming. You about to turn to the middle.
Turn to the middle. Oh up and under Hey somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Else can I'm going back over here with t Louke.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I'm about to watch I'm cool. This is not cool.
Hey dude, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And you know, you see somebody like Mike like that
and Lebron like it's the same thing. It's like, be
careful because they they don't remember. But that Mike story
was like damn dude, Like I'm just watching him. I'm like, damn, dude,
what kind of cologne you got? Like?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
What kind of cologne? This this nigga smell.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Goodie ship out here?

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Like, bro, you he had that that week ass Michael
Jordan cologne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Michael but whatever whatever it was, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
It was, Michael Jordan was so he was like an enigma, dude.
He was like a it was just like, oh, ship,
you fucked. As soon as you do that, you fuck
you can't like, but you're gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Oh damn, this is Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You're like, all right, Uncle Jordan, Like fuck, yo, you
know Mike, Mike talk shit to every body. Ahold, but dog,
imagine like your favorite player, the dude you idolize, Like
you know what I mean, Dude, you watch some TV
and you're like, yo, I'm in the league, Like, what's up,
Michael Jordan' Like the fuck up?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I feel that happened to me with Kobe Kobe, Like
that ain't happened to me with Kobe.

Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I'll never forget it. I got subbed in number one.
I watched this whole workout and this everything that I
was supposed to do, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I got subbed in. I needed to get to stop,
and I got to stop. On the game winning shot,
I got to stop. He missed the fade away. I
was like, hell, yeah, I ain't had nothing to do
with you, young fella.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I just.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Man, I have something to do with me.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
That's sick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Trust me, I get it, so I know I know
exactly how that feel.

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, since we've been talking about the Mala Hans and
the goats. Shout out to MJ, shout out to Lebron.
Were looking at ESPN twenty five hundred twenty five lists.
I really hate putting numbers next to people, you know
what I mean? But you always you know you got
a rank, you got Wemby at one, top five winby

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Anthony Edwards, Paolo Franz, Wagner, Chat Holmgren, and then after
that Tyres Halliburn and mac See.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Evan Moby, Jalen Williams and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Sagoon that's the top ten out of the top ten
and Scottie Barnes, Lamellow k cutting am Zion Brandon Miller
ahead of Zion Uh Garland, Yeah, Darius Garland. I mean,
obviously the orders broll, but a lot of times, you know,

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people are just judging off talent and not off of
what the actual work.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
They put in, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
One, I hate these lists, Yeah, I hate. I hate
these lists with a passion because, Okay, so Dyson Daniels
is happening a.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Pretty good season, a really good season. Just two months ago,
no one believes in Dyson Dames. Now he's twenty three
on the list. No Cam Thomas, that's a notable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
That's crazy, that's a notable one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
That's what justifies Tyre's Halliburton being in front of Jaylen Williams. Because,
don't get me wrong, I think Tyre's Halliburton is very
good player.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
I think Tyre's he's obviously an all star.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I think Tyre's Halliburton, you know, Olympic gold medalist, Tyre's Halliburton.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Doing it, he putting it together.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Why isn't he right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
But when I look at he is higher than Jayla Wis.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
But when I when you say ESPN twenty five hundred
and twenty five, I think Jaylen Williams has more upstart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Jaylen Williams at six ' nine, can pass.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
The ball, can shoot the ball, can get to the
cup two weeks ago, play center for two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
And then switches to point guard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, And when I look at stuff like this, I'm
just like, but who validates that? Because yes, Tyrese has
done more right. But Jalen Williams, I think the upside
is way. I think the upside of Jalen Williams is,
by the way, not just Tyr's Halliburn.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I think the outside of Jaalen Williams is higher than
a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
People on this a lot of people on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
It ain't just Syru's Haliburn.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Like, think about Tyree's Halliburn, All Star, for sure, Olympic
gold medalist, and he's for sure he's seven. So if
based on accomplishments, if I'm off that, yeah, if I'm Tyree,
so I'm like, yo, this makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Why am I seven?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
If you look at my resume versus everybody else under
twenty five? I got the resume, Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Polo,
I can. I can get with them, But I am
also upset that how is LaMelo Ball, who's also an
All Star? He should be number two? If if they say, okay,

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Wemby is you know he he has the next opportunity
to be the most phenomenal LaMelo Ball.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
You know I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Biased, bro, but nobody is fucking with LaMelo Ball.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
You hear.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Man there stuff, you know what I mean? And then
when LaMelo came, man, LaMelo Ball, I know you go.
I love mellow game, but don't get don't get off.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Don't get this list, bro, Like it's just not justified
by anything. Okay, So if we're gonna say resume right
with Tyree's, which again I'm a big tyres.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Fan, so I'm not taking anything from Tyree. I don't
want it to come off that way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But if you're taking resume into account, Darius Garland's also
in All Star also also on All s, you can't
necessarily be taken in like the resumes into account because there's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
None All Stars higher than All Stars. So I just
I hate these lists because.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
There is no basis for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Right, then, what.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Is the criterion?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Shout out to the iceman George German and I asked
him about Hall of famers every All Star weekend, and
you know what his response is, what is the criteria?
So we have to start having some type of criteria
or else. You know, this list don't make no goddamn
sense at all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
It just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I mean, James Johnson having a hell of the year
but he won behind Zion like Zion is Zion is
Zion bro?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Like what are you guys talking about? Like what is
it based on?

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
And then this list, let's come from ESPN. Right, here's
where it gets to contradictory for me, This list comes
from ESPN. They say Zion's the sixteenth best twenty five
under twenty five. And I just watched on ESPN last
week Tim McMahon say Zions should be cut. He said
the contract Zion's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Contract, Hey bro is shrawing up so that he is cutable.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
He could be released.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
And then on them, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
But aside from everybody else in the league, won them
the very publication that just has someone from their poor
group of people that cover the sport just had someone
up there that said this man should be cut. That
same publication then puts him as the sixteenth best twenty
five hundred and twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
What is the validate? Like, I hate these lists.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
They are so stupid that it's just like you're just
picking names out of a hast or are you just
asking people around the office, like who are your favorite player?
It's almost like who are your favorite players? That's what
it looks like, who are you? Who are your favorite players?
Rank your favorite players one through twenty five? But like

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you know not and not to throw no jabs at ESPN,
but god damn man, they.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
For a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
But as as you get you know, as we get
more into this next gen, this new generation. We gotta
have some validations, metrics or you know, they have to
reveal who are the people deciding on this funk?

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
What is good for? Debate though?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Because their way off, their way off, their way off.
We ain't gonna argue with your ESPN. We're just gonna
argue about the list. How about that? And La Mellow
Ball is twelve? No, Melo Ball is the swag. He
is the swag. He is he is who on there

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got the gout? Who got game swag? Would be okay,
who on there got game?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Slag?

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Man not like LaMelo.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
And Man? Different?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Come on now, man, Man, I love different, It's different.
But I think ad Man going in the wrong direction.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Bro, You think explain that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
He's not making Minnesota so exciting to watch. He don't
drive to the hole enough. We still love him because
he's talented.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
But you don't think he's taking the next step.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
No, I think he's taking steps and like he improving
his game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
He ain't took the lead. M He don't need to
be taking no goddamn steps. He needs to go jump
out there, do more. I just want him. I just
want to see him do more right because when I
go watch Minnesota, it's like, yeah, he balling right, but

(01:17:12):
you're not the like you gotta be the reason why
you win every game. Yeah, you gotta be the reason
why every game is won. It's gotta be fear when
a man walk in the building, and it's gotta be
a mistaque like, oh, he gonna dunk on somebody. We
gonna see some ship or we're gonna see this like

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incredible performance.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
How old is John Moran?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
By the way, John Morent is now over twenty five.
John Moran got that ship? You knowee what I'm saying?
Under twenty five? So okay, I think John could be
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
But he probably turned the cities.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
But I would have loved to see where they would
have put y'all on this list. I would have loved
to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I think. I'm actually yeah, I think they should have
had twenty five year olds still on the list. But
I get I just too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I want to see make that next step. You know who?

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I do like?

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Uh Franz Wagner. Fred Wagner is a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Hey dog, he is a problem. I ain't see nobody
be He's a mismatch problem. He's the ultimate mismatch. I
was watching him work. Boy, that boy works, you know
what I mean. He worked, he worked, He's and he
can score. He's a season scorer. He's gonna be one
of those dudes who wind up with fifteen twelve, fifteen

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thousand points, twenty thousand points. He just know how to
find find a good bucket, you know what I mean.
He knows how to find himself a good bucket. Shout
out to him obviously, Bawling Johnson. I like, I know
Jalen Williams, but the Cam Thomas stuff, man, I think
Cam Thomas should have been on this list.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Before we get out of here, get at me, Get
at me fans. We always want to hear from you,
b d and I would answer your questions every week,
so make sure you submit them on social.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
And may make it on the pod.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
At Davis Underscore Joshua Dramond, Now that you've been in
the league for thirteen seasons, is there another player in
the league that you see similar to yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Is there another player in the league I see similar
to myself. I see guys that have some of what
I do, but I don't see guys that have all
of what I do. But honest, you know, I see
guys that's like, oh, man, he got it defensively, but
maybe not necessarily the playmaking, you know. Or he got

(01:19:44):
the playmaking but can't necessarily check you know, or like
So I've seen guys that I'm like, Man, I like
this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
He do X, Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
But I don't quite think I've seen anyone that do
all of what I do. Just my opinion, grant well
me think otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Uh, that's just that's so disrespectful. I'm not sure what
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
That's God, that's disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Man, that's crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:20:15):
I mean, wow, sing recovery from his injury.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
But they look up to you, bro, and I appreciate
the gain. He's not similar to you, you know what
I mean. But it's a lot of these guys who like, Man,
I could be a Draymond Green.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
You know what I mean. I love that guys think
that I think that you're one of one, You're one
of one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Common mistake they make those ifs if you if you're
trying to pattern yourself to be Draymond Green. The common
mistake that people makes is when I came into the league,
I was a score.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah. So you can't just like raise a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
From the age of twelve and I want you to
be just like Draymond Green, because then once you end
up complimenting, you end up not allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Yeah, it's a compliment for sure, and I take that compliment.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
What I'm saying is, sometimes this is something that I've
come across. I see parents telling their kid, like, yo,
I want you like you should watch film and Draymond
and try to be just like Draymond. And I never
talk about this, but I always kind of want to
throw it out there, which is, but don't teach that
kid not to score, because that's a role that I
had to take on at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
This level in order to be successful in the situation
that evolved into that. Absolutely you involved, Like, bro, I
gotta tell you, you're a one of one, right, so
when you're a one to one, your mode.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
So there'll never be another Draymond Green. Ever, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
It'll never be always be somebody be like Damn, I
really fuck with him, or Damn I really like how
he get Damn. There's always gonna be something that reminds
you of the ones you really gravitate to and like.
But they're never gonna be you because you're a mode.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
You do what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
And so when you are one of one, like you're
one of one mode, everything that comes after you is
looking at you and saying like, oh, this is out
my path to do this, this is how I can
do it. They're and and shout out to them for
choosing you as a mode, right, because they're never gonna
be you. And so the greatest way right for you

(01:22:42):
not to be Magic Johnson right, or me not to
be Magic Johnson, was to try my best to follow
somebody who's a one on one so I can create
my own.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Thing, you know what i mean. And so just giving
me a flowers, bro, I appreciate that, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
All these young dudes is looking at They're looking at
Jamond Green as a mole. Yes, that's true, one of
one piece of art. That's like, how the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
This way?

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
And and and like I said, I see guys around
the league like with some of the stuff that I do,
you know, and I'm like, wow, you know, I really
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
You know that that guy is taking that on, you

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
But you'll start recognizing it more you'll start recognizing it
more now, right, you'll start recognizing I think like as
you get older, like you'll start seeing it in dudes
and even dudes on the other team. You're gonna start
giving them little Okay, I see this dude probably studied me,

(01:23:48):
you know what I mean, And like he would like
when you got into it with the kids in Washington,
Oh man, that was you gotta think you a mole, bro,
And them kids is like, they're like, man, I can't
wait till you get to the league. I wish that
fool would say something to me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Like you and like you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
How many people tell you, Bro, I'm cut just like you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
As soon as he came to the league, he like,
dre cut like you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Bro, you're a mom. Your mom.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
That's I mean, that's it. That's the show. It will
be a Hall of Famer legend. And you have you
have Now somebody's gonna create their own custom shoe off
your mom.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
I appreciate that. Brother. Hey man, I got one question
for Bed before we get out of here, and it
comes from Sonny. I'm just gonna spell this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Y'all not gonna make a fool out of me at
su n N I q U A d E r
I N four seven one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Seven Sonny kual Aaron is what it looked like? It
says to me, I don't know, Sonny quadrant. Yeah, okay,
Sonny quadrant for seven seventeen. Baron, what play do you
feel was the most iconic of your career? I'm gonna
answer that question for you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
It's the Baron Davis dunk on Andre Carolinko.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
But can you give me a play that embodies you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
And again this is Sonny quadrants question. A play that
fully embodies you as a player, who you are or
who you were as player.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, I definitely don't think it was the Carolinko dunk
that just fully embodied I think it embodied my energy.
There's a play that I made in my like my
first playoffs that I was like the man. I had
a triple double against Orlando and there was a play
that I made or I caught the dribble, put it

(01:26:01):
behind my back, spun twice, spun again, shot a bank shot,
you know what I mean. And it was like I
never really get credit or like the handles or the
moves or the passes and so like something like that.
I would probably say, like embody my game more like
people just like I used to dunk because I used

(01:26:21):
to want to make it on ESPN, you know what
I mean. You have to like figure out a way
to get a highlight and you know, making passes and
shaking people one really the thing, but that that would
be you know, it was against t Mac. I hit
him with the spin, another spin, little scissor kick bank shot.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
That was just like okay, bat he got some pearls
by it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Most definitely did you cross the Carolinka was like the
one that was like like that was that gave me
the name?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
That was crazy. I've seen that play a million times.
Being that I'm a dug, Yeah, I've seen that play
a million times.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
But that is a rap.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
And this episode of The Draymond Green Show within My
Dog b D the o G. We all y'all keep
tuning in. We appreciate y'all the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
The volume. M hm

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